**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 09 02:59:57 2007 Aug 09 03:00:18 grrr Aug 09 03:00:24 i lost 2.8MB to /usr/share/i18n/charmaps/ :( Aug 09 03:00:31 as a pre-req of localepurge Aug 09 03:01:23 but a pre-req that it doesnt seem to need past configuration Aug 09 03:03:44 so, hooray Aug 09 03:03:46 working localepurge Aug 09 03:14:41 milhouse: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=66894 Aug 09 03:16:02 might help someone if they're in a jam for space Aug 09 03:16:06 erstazi, so, I can compile now in arm and i386, but in order to test the app an X server is needed. Is my understanding that the arm rootstrap package does not include one but the i386 does, so in order to run Xephy the i386 Target should be selected, however, since only ONE target at a time can be selected 9even while trying multiple logins) how supposed am I going to run the app (arm compiled) while on i386 ? Aug 09 03:16:57 or is it that the Xephyr server should be ran outside the scratchbox at al? that might be Aug 09 03:18:18 saaib, I am not that far with X server in scratchbox, I have dabbled a bit, but you should be able to run it as ARM I think Aug 09 03:18:32 pupnik, your thoughts? Aug 09 03:19:09 people like milhouse and pupnik and others have been playing with these for a while, I have only a week of experience Aug 09 03:19:19 the ARM architecture is new to me Aug 09 03:19:48 milhouse: meh, once i have 50MB of stuff installed i bet there will be 5-10MB of saved space on locales. freeciv was especially bad Aug 09 03:20:00 milhouse: if i could get wesnoth it would probably be worse Aug 09 03:20:23 milhouse: one enlightening point of all this... now i know what tana_fi_ is for in the menu names :) Aug 09 03:20:45 sounds finnish to me :) Aug 09 03:20:54 no idea what it MEANS Aug 09 03:21:02 but it signifies a localizable string Aug 09 03:21:09 sorry i was reading about something else Aug 09 03:21:09 tana_fi_games is "Games" or "Spiele" or whatever Aug 09 03:21:27 pupnik, its ok Aug 09 03:21:37 pupnik, when you are available, can I ask you a question? Aug 09 03:21:52 you can run arm apps on the pc with xephyr Aug 09 03:22:00 xephyr lives on the host side of the pc, not in scratchbox Aug 09 03:22:36 x being a networking protocol Aug 09 03:22:50 it is ignorant of the architecture of the app that is talking to it Aug 09 03:23:47 saaib: you can run your app from the arm target - just export DISPLAY=:2 Aug 09 03:24:09 and run start-xephyr.sh on the host side Aug 09 03:25:10 Tana seems to be a region in Norway where they speak 3 languages (Norwegian, Sami and Finnish)... maybe that's why it was chosen as a "codeword" for the localizable strings. Aug 09 03:25:31 Nokians seems to like personalising "things" Aug 09 03:26:27 pupnik, that's correct, you can run Xephyr from the host while it is installed on the host or using the one from the i386 rootstrap, that means that the i386 rootstrap is mandatory even when the apps will be compiled for arm. Aug 09 03:27:06 anyway, aside of the X server topic, I just compiled the hello-world-gtk code in arm target, but while trying to run: Aug 09 03:27:16 any main wiki page editors about? Aug 09 03:27:26 [sbox-ARM_Devel: ~/hello-world-gtk] > ./hello Aug 09 03:27:26 qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting Aug 09 03:28:29 don't know - you can strace ./hello Aug 09 03:29:50 milhouse: wiki... "How to edit the posix-locale data". stay tuned :) Aug 09 03:30:46 anyone having trouble with sshd on the n800? Aug 09 03:31:04 dropbear or openssh? just for information, i dont have n800 to help Aug 09 03:31:05 pupnik, it dies here: Aug 09 03:31:10 write(3, "[2007-08-09 03:28:54 31068] meth"..., 152) = 152 Aug 09 03:31:10 rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, {0x8048bb0, [], SA_RESTORER, 0x80499b8}, NULL, 8) = 0 Aug 09 03:31:21 nothing meaningful Aug 09 03:31:35 winscp->n800(current os2007), just seems to die after 15 sec Aug 09 03:31:37 openssh Aug 09 03:31:38 <_Monkey> somebody said openssh was a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ Aug 09 03:31:45 hi guys, i have a scratchbox question Aug 09 03:32:24 wow. ive never heard a commercial for openssh before. Aug 09 03:32:25 i am using different scratchbox versions, few recommended on wiki , one preinstalled in SDK VM, etc Aug 09 03:32:39 ;-) Aug 09 03:32:50 is scratchbox aphophis version supposed to work with n770? Aug 09 03:33:04 or for n770 development Aug 09 03:33:21 did they ever get the new opera core to work on the 770? Aug 09 03:34:21 dunno jyro, but i don't see why it wouldn't Aug 09 03:34:21 jyro, thats what I use Aug 09 03:34:24 Darksmurf: that would be the one with support for flash 9? i wish :( Aug 09 03:34:35 ok gr8 Aug 09 03:34:38 sparr yeah :-( Aug 09 03:34:58 my boss and I got our 770s yesterday Aug 09 03:35:02 he wants to watch youtube on his Aug 09 03:35:34 770 is a bit slow for that Aug 09 03:35:37 also which tar.gz is responsible for giving cpu transparency options? Aug 09 03:35:40 * Darksmurf would just like to have tabs.. Aug 09 03:35:42 is it devkit? Aug 09 03:35:50 you can grab youtube vids with youtube-dl then watch them in mplayer Aug 09 03:38:07 ok i see specific devkit-cputransp*tar.gz packages Aug 09 03:38:16 that's what i am looking for i guess Aug 09 03:39:47 :( Aug 09 03:39:48 note to self Aug 09 03:39:50 make backups Aug 09 03:40:18 crap. i made that note once. Aug 09 03:40:25 i think i lost it. Aug 09 03:40:28 anyone have icebreaker installed? Aug 09 03:40:31 on 770? Aug 09 03:40:42 pro'lly should have backed it up. Aug 09 03:40:49 or battle gweled? Aug 09 03:41:53 i'm sure some people do Aug 09 03:41:56 well Aug 09 03:41:59 heres my quandry Aug 09 03:42:07 the startup screen is showing non-localized strings Aug 09 03:42:16 game_ia_startup_notstarted Aug 09 03:42:16 etc Aug 09 03:42:43 but I still have /usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/maemo-games-startup.mo which localizes that string Aug 09 03:43:03 so im curious if anyone can help me figure out which file i got rid of is it reading? Aug 09 03:43:20 sparr are there other strings in there that are working? or are they all foobar-ed? Aug 09 03:43:42 grr Aug 09 03:43:46 reboot, now all fubar Aug 09 03:43:58 i've managed to do that before Aug 09 03:43:59 which happened before when i deleted locale-archive Aug 09 03:44:04 but i replaced that and fixed it Aug 09 03:44:19 well, maybe i didnt Aug 09 03:44:21 * sparr is getting senile Aug 09 03:44:39 my IE and firefox keep crashing. Only had this problem since I installed vmware... :-( Aug 09 03:45:05 * Darksmurf has been senile for awhile...just sit back and enjoy it Aug 09 03:45:18 pupnik, I have Xephyr running on host (:2) and while logged into scratchbox into an arm target, while trying to run af-sb-init.sh start I get: Starting Maemo Launcher: maemo-launcherqemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting Aug 09 03:45:18 start failed. Aug 09 03:45:46 I guess this will be a common situation for all the arm builds? Do I miss something on my scratchbox setup? Aug 09 03:45:58 I can run it just fine while logged in a i386 target Aug 09 03:46:42 reboot time Aug 09 03:46:52 boot takes too long... im going to investigate parallel init eventually Aug 09 03:48:21 maemo.org's login scheme is wonky Aug 09 03:49:24 anyone see this? Aug 09 03:49:25 http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2007/08/04/1185648197448.html Aug 09 03:49:28 * timeless finally defeats feedvalidator Aug 09 03:49:32 Luria, yes Aug 09 03:50:56 saaib: no ideas Aug 09 03:51:01 oh, i linkified the hebrew howto to the culmus fonts, finally. for some reason i couldnt log in last night to maemo.org. Aug 09 03:51:42 i just wish the system fonts were oss'ed so everybody doesnt have to patch them Aug 09 03:52:00 and could just use a single download Aug 09 03:52:38 Luria, haha, thats dreaming Aug 09 03:52:46 too many fonts are proprietary Aug 09 03:52:49 twas a mere wish Aug 09 03:54:15 i would trade oss fonts for a large proprietary unicode font set Aug 09 03:54:44 arial Aug 09 03:54:49 its default Aug 09 03:54:50 what possessed them to ignore non western sets Aug 09 03:55:01 i do use arial on my nokia Aug 09 03:55:05 but Aug 09 03:55:07 Luria, well, UTF-8 is messed up in that aspect Aug 09 03:55:23 it supports european language characters Aug 09 03:55:50 but ignores Asianic languages and Afro-Semitic languages Aug 09 03:55:50 for the vkb you have to patch /usr/share/fonts/nokia/*.ttf Aug 09 03:55:59 s/european languages/indo-european languages Aug 09 03:56:26 and its either hamito semitic or afro asiatic :-) Aug 09 03:56:42 pupnik, this is funky, the enviroment is falling appart...Now if I run the autogen.sh script it shows a bunch of errors not compiling enymore :S Aug 09 03:57:02 what does autogen.sh do? Aug 09 03:57:10 erstazi, so you are saying the unicode sys font supports sanskrit Aug 09 03:57:16 (not even if I remove the hello-world-gtk directory and re-untar the tgz source Aug 09 03:57:25 Luria, technically, it should Aug 09 03:57:28 * Luria is getting annoyingly linguistic Aug 09 03:57:56 what I know is, UTF-8 encoding does not support Asianic languages Aug 09 03:58:01 I thought hebrew was supported Aug 09 03:58:02 you can't ever be annoyingly linguistic Aug 09 03:58:05 hebrew is supported Aug 09 03:58:08 well, if they supported all ie languages, they would have farsi and thus fix arabic :-) Aug 09 03:58:16 but the font has to be able to have hebrew characters Aug 09 03:58:19 pupnik, it is complaining that cannot create temp files /tmp and /var Aug 09 03:58:20 utf-8 most certainly supports hebrew Aug 09 03:58:27 I've used hebrew on my n800 Aug 09 03:58:39 so its the font's issue Aug 09 03:58:45 i have hebrew support for nearly everything on the n800 Aug 09 03:58:48 pupnik, how do I restart the whole scratchbox enviroment? (ummount, remount) Aug 09 03:58:54 I just know languages like Chinese and Japanese are left out cold from UTF-8 Aug 09 03:59:02 maybe you need to run it with fakeroot? (guess) Aug 09 03:59:28 saaib, sb-menu then reset a target Aug 09 04:00:02 remove basically removes the targets, but reset is a lot less work instead of having to do it all over again Aug 09 04:00:36 erstazi, nonsense.. if I select Reset a Target, then it prompts back "are you sure to delete all files of target XXX?" Aug 09 04:00:43 uh? Aug 09 04:01:18 maybe it deletes and reinstalls Aug 09 04:01:37 hmm, thats what worked for me Aug 09 04:01:50 saaib, the manual might say differently Aug 09 04:02:12 pupnik, nope, I tried to reset and accepted to delete the files, and still the same errors Aug 09 04:03:03 hmm Aug 09 04:03:11 milhouse: sadly, editing locales seems to involve rebuilding the archive from scratch. beyond me until i get a build environment set up Aug 09 04:03:14 ls Aug 09 04:03:19 what were the errors again? Aug 09 04:03:55 there are several which didn't came up when it was working Aug 09 04:03:58 run info '(automake)Extending aclocal' Aug 09 04:03:58 or see http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending%20aclocal Aug 09 04:04:03 autom4te: cannot create /var/tmp/am4t2791.4276: No such file or directory Aug 09 04:04:04 at /scratchbox/tools/bin/autom4te line 953 Aug 09 04:04:12 seems to me something realted to mount points of premissions Aug 09 04:04:20 + autoconf Aug 09 04:04:20 autom4te: cannot create /var/tmp/am4t9671.4286: No such file or directory Aug 09 04:04:20 at /scratchbox/tools/autotools/autoconf2.59/bin/autom4te line 953 Aug 09 04:04:25 + autoheader Aug 09 04:04:25 autoheader2.50: cannot create /var/tmp/ah6601.4353: No such file or directory Aug 09 04:04:25 at /scratchbox/tools/bin/autoheader2.50 line 126 Aug 09 04:04:28 and so on Aug 09 04:05:19 I'll remove and recreate the targets and see if this fixes the problem Aug 09 04:06:52 ok Aug 09 04:07:57 yep Aug 09 04:08:05 that fixed the compilation errors Aug 09 04:08:11 ah Aug 09 04:08:14 odd Aug 09 04:09:02 alias lsd="ls -l |grep ^d" Aug 09 04:09:27 while logged on arm target I compiled successfully, but when tried to run the test, got: Aug 09 04:09:30 > ./hello Aug 09 04:09:30 Unsupported setsockopt level=1 optname=9 Aug 09 04:09:30 qemu: uncaught target signal 11 (Segmentation fault) - exiting Aug 09 04:10:32 pupnik, isn't easier: ls -ld ? Aug 09 04:11:02 ls -ld doesn't work for me Aug 09 04:12:43 maemo-launcher start failed. ugh Aug 09 04:13:23 i don't test apps in scratchbox any more - always on device Aug 09 04:13:43 pupnik, I know Aug 09 04:13:49 just trying to get that to work Aug 09 04:13:54 pupnik, mainly because bogus? :P Aug 09 04:13:55 but for games this makes sense - for other apps i can see scratchbox being useful Aug 09 04:14:24 i broke mine saaib and never tried to fix it Aug 09 04:14:28 pupnik, like speech to text? (: pocketsphinx is promising, I just need to change the hildon-input-method Aug 09 04:14:40 that's a great project erstazi Aug 09 04:14:56 pupnik, I got it as a deb, and I have to repackage it Aug 09 04:15:00 something errored Aug 09 04:15:07 so I want to test in this so I know whats wrong Aug 09 04:15:13 while logged in arm target I created a new target (i386), and now that I try to select it (sb-menu) I got the message: You must close your other Scratchbox session first Aug 09 04:15:17 ah i understand Aug 09 04:15:23 If I close the session I'll be logged out from scratchbox Aug 09 04:15:52 saaib: maybe some process is running in background? Aug 09 04:16:50 pupnik, ah.. that's it! had to kill all the processes. Aug 09 04:17:38 :) good. i am off to test games Aug 09 04:17:46 now on i386 I re-untar the src code, and now compiles and runs fine... Aug 09 04:17:54 the problem now is only with the arm target :S Aug 09 04:17:56 you are fast Aug 09 04:18:22 bbl Aug 09 04:19:02 ahh.. now on i386 the maemo-launcher runs fine Aug 09 04:19:12 wonder what's the problem on the arm rootstrap Aug 09 04:19:33 and why the target enviroment gets corrupted all of the sudden Aug 09 04:21:05 saaib, did maemo-launcher fail for you? Aug 09 04:22:13 erstazi, maemo-launcher is running, some images are missing from the desktop Aug 09 04:25:05 fonts are a hundred years or so behind modern IP practices :) Aug 09 04:25:20 ah Aug 09 04:25:24 yes Aug 09 04:25:30 erstazi, http://saaib.net/maemo-ss01.jpg Aug 09 04:26:42 "A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort." Aug 09 04:27:01 on the host I get this: X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). on the scratchbox I get this: X connection to :2.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). Aug 09 04:27:17 I know I set both displays as :2 Aug 09 04:29:35 hi slomo and rkaway1 Aug 09 04:30:37 saaib, I have the same theme as your nokia but different background Aug 09 04:30:48 pupnik, lol :) Aug 09 04:31:22 erstazi, what's the default background image used by the mameo-launcher? Aug 09 04:31:42 saaib, on scratchbox? I cant even get Xephyr to work right now Aug 09 04:31:44 learning that part yet Aug 09 04:32:34 erstazi, do you have tcl/expect on your host box? I'm thinking of redoing the scratchbox with an expect script to make it easier Aug 09 04:33:10 saaib, yes, I might just give in and use the vmware app I found Aug 09 04:33:17 but not just yet Aug 09 04:33:17 haha Aug 09 04:33:21 erstazi, so you have Xephyr running on :2? Aug 09 04:33:24 yes Aug 09 04:33:28 I specifically set it as that Aug 09 04:33:39 on the host Aug 09 04:33:53 what if you open another terminal and issue: export DISPLAY=:2; xterm Aug 09 04:34:04 do you get the xterm in the Xephyr server? Aug 09 04:34:34 oh shit I see my problem Aug 09 04:37:12 crap Aug 09 04:37:16 i thought of something i needed to do Aug 09 04:37:17 and forgot Aug 09 04:41:48 erstazi, what was the problem? Aug 09 04:41:53 Can mplayer play a mkv file? Aug 09 04:42:07 grrr... i dont like vmplayer Aug 09 04:43:10 saaib, /temp/.X0-lock Aug 09 04:47:35 aha Aug 09 04:47:38 i wanted to work on a keyboard Aug 09 04:59:48 is the xml file for en_us.vkb (the us english keyboard) available? Aug 09 05:01:04 sparr, I would believe so, somewhere under /home/user/.osso I believe Aug 09 05:01:23 i am doubtful Aug 09 05:04:34 if anyone can tell me where http://maemo.org/downloads/him-plugin-examples/him-plugins-sdk-example-0.0.2.tar.gz might have moved to, i would be most grateful Aug 09 05:19:53 Could someone tell me what the maemo-launcher process is for and why I have 6 copies of it running? Aug 09 05:21:13 Hello Aug 09 05:21:36 Im o 778 Aug 09 05:21:42 On Aug 09 05:22:25 Any good gaes Aug 09 05:22:32 Gaes Aug 09 05:22:37 Did you mean to say you are on your 770? Aug 09 05:22:43 Gay Aug 09 05:22:48 Yes Aug 09 05:22:50 GAMES Aug 09 05:22:53 GAMES Aug 09 05:22:53 Oops Aug 09 05:22:54 GAMES Aug 09 05:22:59 Yes Aug 09 05:23:08 I think someone shouldn't tap and drink at the same time Aug 09 05:23:20 What type of games do you like? There are tons Aug 09 05:23:24 Hehe Aug 09 05:23:53 Whats a good sitte Aug 09 05:24:12 Checkout garage.maemo.org Aug 09 05:24:18 that is the main project hosting site Aug 09 05:24:27 K Aug 09 05:24:35 and check out http://www.internettablettalk.com/ Aug 09 05:24:46 Thanx Aug 09 05:24:46 that is the main discussion forum Aug 09 05:24:59 Preciate it Aug 09 05:25:24 Just got p Aug 09 05:25:42 Idin workin today Aug 09 05:25:54 :) Aug 09 05:32:33 So, anyone else actually want to chat? Aug 09 05:32:50 209 users and nobody is at home? Aug 09 05:33:06 that's right Aug 09 05:33:12 * timeless is not home Aug 09 05:35:43 Ah, you are one of those "I'm going to take the internet with me and there is nothing you can do to stop me" guys :) Aug 09 05:36:14 My N800 is too busy streaming videos to chat with atm, so I am on my desktop Aug 09 05:36:22 I love orb Aug 09 05:36:51 no, i just forgot to leave work Aug 09 05:39:31 I hate it when that happens Aug 09 05:39:47 and it happens a lot, given I am my own boss Aug 09 05:42:34 So, has anyone tried the newly updated version of Nokia's Mozilla based browser? Aug 09 05:45:01 nite all... later Aug 09 05:45:32 Wouldn't even have known he was here if he hadn't announce he was leaving... Aug 09 05:48:01 Rocketman, I have tried minimo if thats what you were talking about Aug 09 05:49:38 I think he's talking about microb Aug 09 05:50:59 rwhitby, ah Aug 09 05:52:17 Yeah, microb Aug 09 05:53:01 hey pupnik Aug 09 05:53:03 <_Monkey> pupnik is stupid, swap is enabled >_< sorry Aug 09 05:53:18 i got mtpaint compiled and running on my 770 Aug 09 05:53:24 thanks to u Aug 09 05:53:25 sorry, did someone say microb? Aug 09 05:53:46 Yes, I did Aug 09 05:54:24 I was wondering if anyone had tried the new updated version of it? I updated last night, but almost all the bugs I had noted before are still present Aug 09 05:54:42 which bugs do you have in mind? Aug 09 05:54:51 The keyboard issues, mainly Aug 09 05:54:53 i have an unreleased list of the things we fixed Aug 09 05:55:05 the keyboard issues need to be qad Aug 09 05:55:13 they should be qa'd w/in the next couple of hours Aug 09 05:55:18 where is the update? Aug 09 05:55:19 the fix will be pushed w/ it Aug 09 05:55:22 (qa just arrived) Aug 09 05:55:45 There is also an issue with browsing certain sites with flash player enabled causing it to crash Aug 09 05:55:59 Not sure if that one is bugzilla'd Aug 09 05:56:24 but try checking out www.escapepod.org with it enabled. Let the site load up and then try to scroll down Aug 09 05:56:27 i certainly haven't seen it Aug 09 05:56:49 100% crashing on mine 0% if I disable the flash plugin Aug 09 05:57:16 Lots of other people have verified that one for me, but strangely it doesn't seem to effect everyone Aug 09 05:57:36 I think it may only apply to people that restored a backup after upgrading to the latest fw Aug 09 05:58:10 Browsing with flash enabled is like play Russian Roulette Aug 09 05:58:44 you never know when you are going to come across a site that will crash it Aug 09 05:58:58 ok, i just went to http://www.escapepod.org Aug 09 05:59:10 my toolbar shows me at http://escapepod.org/ Aug 09 05:59:13 and there's no content Aug 09 05:59:17 i do have an rss indicator Aug 09 05:59:37 and my quick flash enabler in the toolbar says flash is enabled Aug 09 05:59:44 Weird Aug 09 05:59:54 I am viewing it in Firefox on my desktop right now Aug 09 05:59:58 let me try on my tablet Aug 09 06:00:02 * timeless rummages for another tablet Aug 09 06:00:17 loads on my n800 Aug 09 06:00:32 fwiw, the way debian repositories work... Aug 09 06:00:39 you'll get whichever the latest version of a package is Aug 09 06:00:41 I had to uninstall microb due to the keyboard popping up all the time. Aug 09 06:00:50 and since there isn't currently an unstable repository Aug 09 06:01:01 the only real way to test things is for them to land in the public one Aug 09 06:01:19 so people who've upgraded over the past two days will have slightly newer versions :| Aug 09 06:01:40 rwhitby: i finally forced someone to fix that Aug 09 06:01:44 but the fix needs to be tested by qa Aug 09 06:01:51 qa arrived, but i have a meeting all day today Aug 09 06:02:13 timeless: no worries - I know how long these things take Aug 09 06:02:34 do you guys know of other bugs that are of interest? Aug 09 06:02:47 Escapepod definitely loading on mine. Goes poof when I scroll down so that a flash object appears in view Aug 09 06:03:08 to tell you the truth, the keyboard one was so annoying that I stopped using it pretty much straight away. Aug 09 06:03:13 hrm, tapping the go icon again and now the page loads... Aug 09 06:03:45 How about the issue with the browser selection menu not appearing on some people's N800's Aug 09 06:04:19 i'm more interested in bugs that aren't reported in bugs.maemo.org :) Aug 09 06:04:23 excuse me, the menu name is "Set engine" Aug 09 06:04:30 e.g. this escapepod one that i can't reproduce Aug 09 06:04:53 rocketman: sorry, we need info, like what's special that causes the behavior not to work properly Aug 09 06:05:13 Timeless, a lot of people on ITT have reported the issue with flash causing the browser to crash on certain sites Aug 09 06:05:29 although, maybe i can force an engineer here to change the logic so that if it has more than one engine... Aug 09 06:05:39 _Monkey is back Aug 09 06:05:43 yay Aug 09 06:05:46 The general consensus was that it appears to do that on units that were upgraded to the latest firmware and then restored data from backup Aug 09 06:06:01 the menu thing? Aug 09 06:06:05 ah, that'd make sense Aug 09 06:06:10 I think both Aug 09 06:06:11 why didn't someone comment in the bug!? :( Aug 09 06:06:19 * timeless sighs Aug 09 06:06:38 timeless, I can test microb also Aug 09 06:06:44 if it works on OS2006 (: Aug 09 06:07:02 A lot of people are seeing strange issues like that with restoring their data after applying the latest fw Aug 09 06:08:37 Hey, do you know if the on screen keyboard still appears and then disappears if you click on a text box in fullscreen mode (with the latest updates that haven't gone through QA)? Aug 09 06:08:42 sorry, it works for me on 3.2007 Aug 09 06:09:12 we're not pushing that deb until it goes through qa Aug 09 06:09:23 hi dolske Aug 09 06:11:21 Zerojay on ITT experiences the same issue with escapepod.org with flash enabled Aug 09 06:11:47 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7805&page=21 Aug 09 06:12:05 page = 21 ?! Aug 09 06:12:14 you guys are nuts Aug 09 06:12:27 * dolske waves Aug 09 06:12:54 oh Aug 09 06:12:54 timeless: isn't 21 pages about the length of your review queue? :P Aug 09 06:13:04 dolske: pending? i think it's only 9 Aug 09 06:13:07 hehehe, what else do we have to talk about while doing "The Internet Walk" ? Aug 09 06:13:09 :) Aug 09 06:13:10 or 7 depending on how you render it Aug 09 06:13:25 dolske: and i don't have to read my own queue Aug 09 06:13:28 hi behdad how are you? Aug 09 06:13:44 anyway, fwiw, flash disabled itself on escapepod Aug 09 06:13:48 I guess it is the reason so many of us have dents in our foreheads from walking into poles Aug 09 06:13:50 it probably ran out of memory and was nice to me :) Aug 09 06:13:51 erstazi: great. thanks. Aug 09 06:14:05 xan: so, you're learning how to earn points ;) Aug 09 06:14:26 When it poofs on me, I get an error message saying: Aug 09 06:14:32 "Internal error. Application 'Web' closed." Aug 09 06:14:47 oh yeah, love that Aug 09 06:15:00 i get lots of internal errors Aug 09 06:15:14 web and rss are usually the culprits Aug 09 06:15:34 Luria, try seeing if browsing www.escapepod.org crashes your browser Aug 09 06:15:39 k one ce Aug 09 06:15:41 sec Aug 09 06:15:45 wait for it to finish loading and then scroll down Aug 09 06:15:58 try it both with flash enabled and disabled Aug 09 06:16:07 xan: my script is your friend http://mces.blogspot.com/2006/04/my-bug-fixing-attitude.html Aug 09 06:16:10 also, anyone have a thing with disappearing home screen applets? Aug 09 06:16:45 Rocketman, microb or opera? Aug 09 06:16:51 microb Aug 09 06:16:52 <_Monkey> microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) Aug 09 06:17:15 although it does the same thing in opera I believe, once microb is installed Aug 09 06:17:51 one sec, n800 is going nuts Aug 09 06:17:58 Please tell me _Monkey is a bot Aug 09 06:18:06 _Monkey Aug 09 06:18:07 <_Monkey> Rocketman? Aug 09 06:18:10 _Monkey Aug 09 06:18:10 <_Monkey> yes, Rocketman? Aug 09 06:18:13 _Monkey Aug 09 06:18:14 <_Monkey> yes, Rocketman? Aug 09 06:18:18 Yup, definitely a bot :) Aug 09 06:18:33 you should have seen the openssh ad it gave me Aug 09 06:18:36 _Monkey climb a tree Aug 09 06:18:37 <_Monkey> Rocketman: i'm not following you... Aug 09 06:18:42 Rocketman is a person who likes to spank the _Monkey Aug 09 06:18:51 Rocketman? Aug 09 06:18:51 <_Monkey> hmmm... Rocketman is viewing the script in nano right now, but not sure what I need to change/add Aug 09 06:19:07 _Monkey, forget Rocketman Aug 09 06:19:08 <_Monkey> erstazi: I forgot rocketman Aug 09 06:19:13 heh Aug 09 06:19:16 _Monkey, Rocketman is a person who likes to spank the _Monkey Aug 09 06:19:17 <_Monkey> i haven't a clue, erstazi Aug 09 06:19:21 ugh Aug 09 06:19:31 _Monkey Aug 09 06:19:31 _Monkey, Rocketman is a person who likes to spank the monkey Aug 09 06:19:32 <_Monkey> Luria? Aug 09 06:19:32 <_Monkey> bugger all, i dunno, erstazi Aug 09 06:19:41 are you trying to teach it dirty tricks? Aug 09 06:19:45 yes Aug 09 06:19:45 Rocketman is a person who likes to spank the monkey Aug 09 06:19:48 I usually PM it Aug 09 06:19:55 Rocketman? Aug 09 06:19:56 <_Monkey> Rocketman is a person who likes to spank the monkey Aug 09 06:20:02 _Monkey, shoot a rocket Aug 09 06:20:03 <_Monkey> Luria: what? Aug 09 06:20:10 erstazi is a person who doesn't speak monkish Aug 09 06:20:15 haha Aug 09 06:20:25 monkeyish? Aug 09 06:20:33 escapepod is ok Aug 09 06:20:42 wait Aug 09 06:20:43 Rocketman, the best part is, when people are typing to you, and they put your nick at the end of their statement, it will show Aug 09 06:20:44 never mind Aug 09 06:20:53 kB!'ed Aug 09 06:21:02 (for those of you who shoot) Aug 09 06:21:10 It crash for you Luria when you scrolled down? Aug 09 06:21:18 after a little bit, yeah Aug 09 06:21:26 microb+flash Aug 09 06:21:41 Now try viewing the site with flash disabled (disable it and then restart browser) Aug 09 06:21:52 ok Aug 09 06:21:54 it crashed Aug 09 06:22:45 no space left on mmc to create core :( Aug 09 06:22:45 ok, plugin unchecked, closed. restarting Aug 09 06:23:08 btw, anyone having trouble with disappearing home applets? Aug 09 06:23:38 I haven't seen anything of that sort, Luria Aug 09 06:23:41 sorry :( Aug 09 06:23:45 thnx Aug 09 06:23:53 ok, loading epod Aug 09 06:24:14 It always sucks when you have a "unique" bug all to yourself Aug 09 06:24:16 scrolled up and down Aug 09 06:24:27 cant wait for 4.0, i think Aug 09 06:24:54 of course, updating will be a two day process and none of the apps will work Aug 09 06:25:00 but hey Aug 09 06:25:07 Luria, heh Aug 09 06:25:13 hello Artemisprime Aug 09 06:25:13 Hello Aug 09 06:25:14 <_Monkey> hey, Artemisprime Aug 09 06:25:28 _Monkey, go spank yourself Aug 09 06:25:29 <_Monkey> Luria: huh? Aug 09 06:25:42 Artemisprime is a monkey looking for games to play Aug 09 06:25:51 Is there a complete repository Aug 09 06:26:17 yeah, still up and running with escapepod Aug 09 06:26:21 with !flash Aug 09 06:26:27 Artemisprime, for which device? Aug 09 06:26:37 seems ok Aug 09 06:26:38 So i can run all ths sruff Aug 09 06:26:49 Artemisprime, 770 or n800? Aug 09 06:26:59 Timeless, Luria is reporting the same behaviour with flash as I and others have been seeing Aug 09 06:27:02 on scrollback, did i see that there is a slighly newer microb? Aug 09 06:27:29 Luria, did you do a restoration of a backup after flashing to OS 2007.4? Aug 09 06:27:39 almost certainly Aug 09 06:27:42 The first one Aug 09 06:27:42 <_Monkey> somebody said the first one was simple... :) Aug 09 06:27:44 oh sure Aug 09 06:27:54 Artemisprime, do you know about sources.list? Aug 09 06:27:59 i ran into the package bug Aug 09 06:28:03 rocketman: yeah, i reproduced it here Aug 09 06:28:08 but my mmc was full Aug 09 06:28:14 when you restore it wants to use your previous proxy settings Aug 09 06:28:14 I think only people that did a backup restoration are experiencing it Aug 09 06:28:16 I dont Aug 09 06:28:26 wait, which problem Aug 09 06:28:29 the flash i got Aug 09 06:28:32 the flash issue Aug 09 06:28:42 i haven't done backup restores in recent memory Aug 09 06:28:43 Artemisprime, do you have xterm? is openssh or dropbear installed? Aug 09 06:28:47 I don't want to reflash my unit to check, though Aug 09 06:28:51 the problem i really want help tracking down is the set engine one Aug 09 06:28:53 Juust wannt aomplete repository Aug 09 06:29:01 no, i was remembering that i did the restore because i had a bug with the package manager Aug 09 06:29:12 it "restores Aug 09 06:29:13 Artemisprime, I am going to tell you how to get a complete repository Aug 09 06:29:21 timeless, I had to edit some file to add that menu option on mine Aug 09 06:29:32 Ihave xterm Aug 09 06:29:44 it "restores" your proxy settings and wont change them... which is a problem if you use privoxy Aug 09 06:29:44 rocketman: yeah, but the question is why didn't the magic properly get you that item Aug 09 06:29:47 Thats all Aug 09 06:29:51 Artemisprime, can you ssh to your nokia? Aug 09 06:30:17 I dont know how Aug 09 06:30:27 Artemisprime, ok Aug 09 06:30:45 better question, can we ssh to your nokia? Aug 09 06:30:47 :-) Aug 09 06:30:58 Luria, I was thinking that Aug 09 06:31:02 I got a nice sources.list for the 770 Aug 09 06:31:07 OS2006 Aug 09 06:31:08 <_Monkey> it has been said that OS2006 is pretty stable Aug 09 06:31:13 I dont think i have open ssh installed Aug 09 06:31:21 openssh? Aug 09 06:31:21 <_Monkey> openssh is, like, a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ Aug 09 06:31:22 _monkey forget os2006 Aug 09 06:31:22 <_Monkey> timeless: I forgot os2006 Aug 09 06:31:31 it has been said that _monkey is unstable. Aug 09 06:31:37 timeless must think that os2006 is not stable haha Aug 09 06:31:51 Artemisprime, ^^ Aug 09 06:31:55 Yes Aug 09 06:31:56 _monkey os2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 770 Aug 09 06:31:56 <_Monkey> OK, timeless. Aug 09 06:32:12 erstazi: my 770 cmae w/ it Aug 09 06:32:27 timeless, is _Monkey your bot? Aug 09 06:32:29 What do i do Aug 09 06:32:36 * Luria gives _monkey a banana Aug 09 06:32:48 Hehe Aug 09 06:32:48 * Luria does not specify where it goes Aug 09 06:32:51 Artemisprime, on your 770, click install Aug 09 06:32:58 K Aug 09 06:33:03 on that page there is "install" Aug 09 06:33:16 Appmnager Aug 09 06:33:20 yes Aug 09 06:33:21 New Aug 09 06:33:26 Right Aug 09 06:33:36 morning Aug 09 06:33:37 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 09 06:33:46 K Aug 09 06:33:53 Timeless, I think I had to edit /home/user/.browser and set hidden=true to get the Set browser menu back Aug 09 06:34:17 didnt they fix that in the release Aug 09 06:34:32 Thenwhat Aug 09 06:34:34 like two days after the beta went public? Aug 09 06:34:40 Artemisprime, is the install done? Aug 09 06:34:47 I wonder if the installer for microb doesn't overwrite this file with a known good copy during installation Aug 09 06:34:59 What address Aug 09 06:35:02 and is using an older copy that doesn't have all the right options enabled or something Aug 09 06:35:04 Artemisprime, what operating system does your desktop pc have? Aug 09 06:35:12 Xp Aug 09 06:36:10 Sorry Aug 09 06:36:15 Hehe Aug 09 06:36:53 Artemisprime, let me make an install file for the sources.list I have Aug 09 06:37:10 Sure Aug 09 06:37:13 Anyways, TTYL all. I got to jet, literally. Picking up a friend at the Airport Aug 09 06:37:19 Rocketman, ttyl Aug 09 06:37:24 Ttyl Aug 09 06:37:55 thank god for VMs Aug 09 06:38:26 Thanx erstaz Aug 09 06:38:58 Will this take long Aug 09 06:43:27 Artemisprime, transferring to my server now Aug 09 06:43:53 Ok Aug 09 06:44:20 Just add to the catalogue ? Aug 09 06:45:02 Artemisprime, no, I am making a simple install all repos Aug 09 06:45:14 I got a list of good repos Aug 09 06:45:41 Wesome Aug 09 06:45:43 you posting or dccing? Aug 09 06:45:55 Awesoome Aug 09 06:45:57 ssh'ing to my server Aug 09 06:46:01 thats what haha Aug 09 06:46:17 oh, very cute. Aug 09 06:46:19 now testing Aug 09 06:48:44 ok Aug 09 06:48:51 K Aug 09 06:48:59 Artemisprime, on your nokia 770, point your browser to http://c-wd.net/all.install Aug 09 06:49:27 this will add all the repos I found to be good and add the repos to your sources.list Aug 09 06:49:47 then you can just go to application manager to install instead of searching for them on the web Aug 09 06:50:25 and to clarify those who know about install's, I took precaution with the spacing and lettering Aug 09 06:51:01 and if anyone has any other repos to add that are *working* please let me know Aug 09 06:51:09 So Aug 09 06:51:29 Now what Aug 09 06:51:32 rocketman: so um Aug 09 06:51:42 could i possibly get you to use bugs.maemo.org to report the flash crasher? Aug 09 06:51:51 New catalogue Aug 09 06:51:59 timeless, rocketman is out Aug 09 06:52:07 Into in Aug 09 06:52:15 Artemisprime, did it load up with text? Aug 09 06:52:16 * timeless grumbles Aug 09 06:52:22 ok, my meeting's starting Aug 09 06:52:24 my day's dead Aug 09 06:52:24 timeless: Do you ever sleep? :) Aug 09 06:52:25 Yes Aug 09 06:52:26 timeless, if I had a n800 and microb Iwould do it Aug 09 06:52:46 erstazi: to be honest, there's enough info in the forums for you to file the bug w/o a device Aug 09 06:52:52 look at the bugs i've filed Aug 09 06:52:59 one of them was based on forum posts Aug 09 06:53:04 Artemisprime, ok, go to where it says Web - http://c-wd.net/all.install and then tap that, go to web page then save as Aug 09 06:53:06 Can i load alll at once Aug 09 06:53:29 Artemisprime, I am showing you that Aug 09 06:53:41 Artemisprime, remember where you save as Aug 09 06:54:10 then go to your file manager and locate where you saved it and double click all (OS2006 will hide extensions so .install will not show) Aug 09 06:54:22 then it should load, hopefully Aug 09 06:54:23 K Aug 09 06:54:28 I tested it and it worked Aug 09 06:54:45 timeless, enjoy your meeting (: Aug 09 06:54:47 hi konttori Aug 09 06:54:54 hi Aug 09 06:55:20 hello UKP Aug 09 06:55:30 I need to sleep soon, ugh Aug 09 06:55:41 I guess it wokd Aug 09 06:55:47 ok, it crashed, yum Aug 09 06:56:14 Artemisprime, now go to Application Manager and refresh your catalog Aug 09 06:56:20 timeless, what crashed? Aug 09 06:56:25 escapepod Aug 09 06:56:25 <_Monkey> i heard escapepod was ok Aug 09 06:56:28 ah Aug 09 06:57:16 timeless, do you work for Nokia? Aug 09 06:57:35 yes Aug 09 06:57:45 ah Aug 09 06:57:54 must be fun (: Aug 09 06:58:04 i'm the poor soul who writes http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/index.xml Aug 09 06:58:43 What can i think it only installed the lst oe on the lis Aug 09 06:58:57 "Even writing for blogs costs money." haha Aug 09 06:59:02 Damit Aug 09 06:59:16 Artemisprime, I am lost by what you mean Aug 09 06:59:23 I know Aug 09 06:59:28 Sorry Aug 09 07:00:02 I thhink itt only istalled the last one on th list Aug 09 07:00:03 Artemisprime, I can give you the full sources.list and you can go into xterm and run: nano /etc/apt/sources.list Aug 09 07:00:41 Whatevers clever Aug 09 07:00:44 then paste into that Aug 09 07:00:48 then ctrl+O then ctrl+X Aug 09 07:00:58 then go to application manager and refresh your catalog Aug 09 07:01:09 http://c-wd.net/sources.list Aug 09 07:01:20 I really need to put this stuff in its own directory on there Aug 09 07:01:39 maybe even give a few people privileges to use svn Aug 09 07:01:59 Can i just edit witth pc? Aug 09 07:02:04 Artemisprime, you can Aug 09 07:02:10 you say you have WIn XP right? Aug 09 07:02:15 Yes Aug 09 07:02:21 do you have PuTTy? Aug 09 07:02:25 No Aug 09 07:02:58 Putty will allow you to ssh to your device Aug 09 07:02:58 http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe Aug 09 07:03:13 I can download from the web after i Aug 09 07:03:14 you will need to know your IP address of your nokia Aug 09 07:03:22 Update Aug 09 07:03:25 yes Aug 09 07:03:28 wait Aug 09 07:03:31 what are you talking about Aug 09 07:03:43 download from the web what after you update? Aug 09 07:03:48 Hol on Aug 09 07:04:05 Go to pc5 Aug 09 07:05:03 hello Aug 09 07:05:03 <_Monkey> hi, glizitch Aug 09 07:05:05 hi glizitch Aug 09 07:05:11 this is artemisprime Aug 09 07:05:12 how are you this lovely day? Aug 09 07:05:14 on PC Aug 09 07:05:15 oh Aug 09 07:05:16 ok Aug 09 07:05:17 :) Aug 09 07:05:24 much better Aug 09 07:05:34 keyboard and all Aug 09 07:05:35 hehe\ Aug 09 07:05:39 ok, now PuTTy /is/ a great ssh tool for windows Aug 09 07:05:52 right Aug 09 07:05:57 ive heard of it Aug 09 07:06:02 anyhow, you need to know your IP address for your device Aug 09 07:06:11 whats the address again Aug 09 07:06:12 then you can open putty (I don't have it in front ofmy eyes Aug 09 07:06:20 now that im on PC Aug 09 07:06:30 http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe Aug 09 07:07:05 you have to input your ipaddress into putty then make sure its on ssh Aug 09 07:07:08 ok Aug 09 07:07:14 the ip address of your device that is Aug 09 07:07:22 then connect and it will ask you for your username Aug 09 07:07:25 how do i find ip addy of nokia ? Aug 09 07:07:29 I don't think you have becomeroot installed do you? Aug 09 07:07:33 no Aug 09 07:07:40 becomeroot? Aug 09 07:07:41 <_Monkey> rumour has it becomeroot is is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot Aug 09 07:07:55 the first one listed is what you want for your nokia Aug 09 07:07:58 do i need thaty ? Aug 09 07:08:20 i need becomeroot ? Aug 09 07:08:22 too Aug 09 07:08:24 not right now Aug 09 07:08:26 sorry Aug 09 07:08:27 ok Aug 09 07:08:28 cool Aug 09 07:08:32 its 03:08 here heh Aug 09 07:08:40 2:08 here Aug 09 07:08:45 hehe Aug 09 07:09:13 ok I am assuming that you have your dns set up as 192.168.1.* where the * wildcard is the individual ip address of the machine Aug 09 07:09:15 am I right Aug 09 07:09:23 thats pretty much default Aug 09 07:09:36 right Aug 09 07:10:30 hold a sec Aug 09 07:11:47 192.168.1.2 connection failed Aug 09 07:12:15 I think you need iphome Aug 09 07:12:46 hrrmm Aug 09 07:12:58 iphome? Aug 09 07:13:04 i dunno Aug 09 07:13:05 I didn't write that one to _monkey yet Aug 09 07:13:17 glizitch, that was a command to _Monkey, sorry Aug 09 07:13:23 ok Aug 09 07:13:47 oops Aug 09 07:14:02 ignore this next input here Aug 09 07:14:04 xterm? Aug 09 07:14:05 <_Monkey> rumour has it xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced Aug 09 07:14:52 can i send u my sources.list Aug 09 07:15:00 then u can edit Aug 09 07:15:05 and send it back Aug 09 07:15:12 would that be easier Aug 09 07:15:27 ? Aug 09 07:16:31 glizitch, if you can access your sources.list then you can take the one I have and edit it Aug 09 07:16:51 just copy and paste, it includes the default repos and the extra ones I found and others found helpful Aug 09 07:17:04 it would be redundant for you to send yours to me Aug 09 07:17:08 k Aug 09 07:17:23 glizitch, do you know about applets on your nokia's desktop? Aug 09 07:17:28 i think i can send it to myself Aug 09 07:17:36 on pidgin irc Aug 09 07:17:38 right Aug 09 07:17:40 or aim Aug 09 07:17:49 yeah Aug 09 07:17:52 what is path again Aug 09 07:18:08 website: http://c-wd.net/sources.list Aug 09 07:18:19 path to sources.list on nokia: /etc/apt/sources.list Aug 09 07:18:37 a great applet that goes on your nokia's desktop: http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/feed/maemo2/iphome_0.2-1_armel.deb Aug 09 07:18:37 k Aug 09 07:18:41 it tells your ip address Aug 09 07:18:52 ill get that next Aug 09 07:18:52 then you know what ip address to ssh to Aug 09 07:23:16 i cant Aug 09 07:23:23 send it to myself Aug 09 07:23:28 i cant see it Aug 09 07:23:58 Hi Aug 09 07:24:38 your local IP address is also shown in connection manager Aug 09 07:24:57 kulve: where ? Aug 09 07:25:21 nm Aug 09 07:25:40 no ip addy shown Aug 09 07:25:43 on 770 Aug 09 07:25:50 glizitch, if you go to the top Aug 09 07:25:57 Connection Manager and tap that Aug 09 07:26:12 then go to internet connection > ip adress Aug 09 07:26:17 aha Aug 09 07:26:19 kulve, I knew it was there, I didn't see it right away Aug 09 07:26:20 nice Aug 09 07:26:23 forgot about the menu Aug 09 07:26:26 thanks Aug 09 07:26:39 ill try putty now Aug 09 07:26:52 thank you kulve Aug 09 07:27:28 damn Aug 09 07:27:35 connection still refused Aug 09 07:28:10 this sucks Aug 09 07:28:27 glizitch, did you get asked for a username? Aug 09 07:28:39 nope Aug 09 07:28:45 just refused Aug 09 07:28:46 you might need to reset your connection by dropping the connection and restarting the connection Aug 09 07:29:00 disconnect I mean Aug 09 07:29:05 on which device? Aug 09 07:29:06 then connecting again Aug 09 07:29:11 nokia Aug 09 07:29:27 k Aug 09 07:29:38 sometimes that happens Aug 09 07:30:02 glizitch, we missed an important step, you dont have openssh or dropbear installed huh? Aug 09 07:30:09 nope Aug 09 07:30:14 openssh? Aug 09 07:30:15 <_Monkey> hmmm... openssh is a FREE version of the SSH connectivity tools that technical users of the Internet rely on. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/openssh/ Aug 09 07:30:17 to check if your ssh server is up'n'running on the device, try "ssh root@localhost" in xterm Aug 09 07:30:28 kulve, we missed that step of installing Aug 09 07:30:38 damn\ Aug 09 07:30:55 its late here so I am losing my mind Aug 09 07:30:56 sorry Aug 09 07:31:21 iirc, dropbear can be installed in blue pill mode and openssh requires red pill mode Aug 09 07:31:30 hu ? Aug 09 07:31:53 there are two ssh servers: dropbear and open ssh Aug 09 07:32:02 kulve, are you serious? Aug 09 07:32:12 hmm.. about what? Aug 09 07:32:20 I didn't enable red pill mode and installed openssh Aug 09 07:32:21 Go on monkey tell us about red pill! Aug 09 07:32:33 keesj, I didn't set that yet Aug 09 07:32:35 erstazi: ok, then maybe the situation has changed now.. Aug 09 07:32:40 dropbear? Aug 09 07:32:40 <_Monkey> it has been said that dropbear is a small install Aug 09 07:32:41 so open ssh ? Aug 09 07:32:44 it is ? Aug 09 07:32:48 or dropbear Aug 09 07:32:48 <_Monkey> dropbear is probably a small install Aug 09 07:32:58 glizitch, lets do dropbear hold a sec Aug 09 07:32:59 _Monkey: shut up Aug 09 07:32:59 <_Monkey> kulve: huh? Aug 09 07:33:08 dropbear? Aug 09 07:33:08 <_Monkey> somebody said dropbear was a small install Aug 09 07:33:40 hmmm Aug 09 07:33:46 dropbear is a ssh server/client. A bit lighter that open ssh Aug 09 07:33:51 _Monkey: Dropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client. http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html Aug 09 07:33:51 <_Monkey> ...but dropbear is a small install... Aug 09 07:34:10 _Monkey, forget dropbear Aug 09 07:34:10 <_Monkey> erstazi: I forgot dropbear Aug 09 07:34:11 _Monkey: Dropbear is a relatively small SSH 2 server and client. http://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.html Aug 09 07:34:12 <_Monkey> OK, erstazi. Aug 09 07:34:23 ok Aug 09 07:34:50 _Monkey: what are you? Aug 09 07:34:50 <_Monkey> well, i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now Aug 09 07:34:58 that's nice :) Aug 09 07:35:02 kulve, haha Aug 09 07:35:32 kulve is the one that _monkey flings poo at Aug 09 07:35:46 kulve? Aug 09 07:35:47 <_Monkey> kulve is the one that _monkey flings poo at Aug 09 07:35:53 (: Aug 09 07:35:59 .. Aug 09 07:36:23 what do i want to dl Aug 09 07:36:29 from this page ? Aug 09 07:37:06 crap Aug 09 07:37:19 glizitch, http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ Aug 09 07:37:24 then locate dropbear Aug 09 07:37:40 ok Aug 09 07:37:52 its the 3rd one down on http://www.komputika.net/maemo/ Aug 09 07:39:08 hi sKaBoy Aug 09 07:39:52 glizitch, and once you do install becomeroot, make sure you change your passwords: passwd user Aug 09 07:39:58 then: passwd root Aug 09 07:40:10 wait Aug 09 07:40:19 im installing dropbear Aug 09 07:40:23 not becomeroot Aug 09 07:40:31 once you do Aug 09 07:40:34 future tense Aug 09 07:40:40 ok Aug 09 07:40:47 do you need becomeroot? Can't you just "ssh root@localhost".. Aug 09 07:41:01 kulve, yes but rootme is the default password for root Aug 09 07:41:05 and thats pretty given Aug 09 07:41:15 so even so, change your password Aug 09 07:41:23 yeah, the passwd must be changed Aug 09 07:41:23 dropbear taking a while to install Aug 09 07:41:25 either through xterm or ssh Aug 09 07:41:27 weir Aug 09 07:41:27 d Aug 09 07:41:38 glizitch: it's generating the keys. That takes time Aug 09 07:41:45 ok Aug 09 07:41:52 i just saw the small size Aug 09 07:42:15 I need to install UKMP sometime Aug 09 07:42:19 I keep forgetting Aug 09 07:42:34 kulve, do you port apps yourself? Aug 09 07:43:20 erstazi: nope, not port. I've involved in kilikali and I made ogg-support for n800 (well, that's porting, I guess) Aug 09 07:43:34 s,ve,m, Aug 09 07:43:58 its still installing Aug 09 07:44:07 is this hung up ? Aug 09 07:44:09 nm Aug 09 07:44:10 done Aug 09 07:44:11 glizitch, have a cup of coffee Aug 09 07:44:13 haha Aug 09 07:44:41 glizitch: it takes more time if it doesn't get enough random numbers. It may help to browser net or something to make more randomness.. Aug 09 07:44:42 kulve, I am attempting to port pocketsphinx Aug 09 07:44:47 great Aug 09 07:44:58 now dropbear needs a repository Aug 09 07:45:14 glizitch, can you ssh to it? Aug 09 07:45:18 erstazi: did you look at the mud package for that? I know they compile Aug 09 07:45:20 erstazi: nice :) Aug 09 07:45:20 i dunno Aug 09 07:45:27 (had to check what it is) Aug 09 07:45:29 keesj, yes Aug 09 07:45:29 i cant run dropbear Aug 09 07:45:41 not from the menu anyway Aug 09 07:45:48 glizitch: it's command line "app" Aug 09 07:45:52 i.e. "ssh" Aug 09 07:45:55 the only way i found to incirease entropy was to write stuff on the memory card with vi Aug 09 07:46:02 the server shouldd be running after install Aug 09 07:46:11 glizitch, go to putty now Aug 09 07:46:13 i have xterm Aug 09 07:46:16 use the ip address Aug 09 07:46:37 make sure you are selected on ssh Aug 09 07:46:43 when the window pops up Aug 09 07:46:48 ok Aug 09 07:46:49 input root as the username Aug 09 07:46:55 login as? Aug 09 07:46:57 ok Aug 09 07:46:59 root Aug 09 07:47:00 then pass ? Aug 09 07:47:06 then password... it should be: rootme Aug 09 07:47:21 im in Aug 09 07:47:24 ok Aug 09 07:47:26 muhahaha\ Aug 09 07:47:29 oh god Aug 09 07:47:34 get your kevlars Aug 09 07:47:39 :) Aug 09 07:47:41 heh Aug 09 07:47:52 how copy and paste http://c-wd.net/sources.list Aug 09 07:47:52 i cant ls Aug 09 07:48:13 how ? Aug 09 07:48:22 do you have a browser on windows? Aug 09 07:48:27 of course Aug 09 07:48:34 view that URL in a browser Aug 09 07:48:37 copy and paste the text Aug 09 07:48:55 where to paste ? Aug 09 07:48:59 i cant ls Aug 09 07:49:03 ok now back to putty's window Aug 09 07:49:06 k Aug 09 07:49:07 cd /etc/apt/ Aug 09 07:49:12 glizitch: ls should work just fine.. Aug 09 07:49:22 now ls Aug 09 07:49:28 cant cd to etc/apt Aug 09 07:49:32 what does it say? Aug 09 07:49:48 my mistake Aug 09 07:49:55 its fine Aug 09 07:49:58 ok Aug 09 07:50:00 now Aug 09 07:50:03 i can ls Aug 09 07:50:07 now type this: vi sources.list Aug 09 07:50:29 now listen, in the sources.list I provide on my site, it has the defaults Aug 09 07:50:48 right Aug 09 07:50:51 so hit the letter I (eye) on the keyboard when vi loads sources.list Aug 09 07:50:54 that means insert Aug 09 07:51:08 shit Aug 09 07:51:11 lets be safe Aug 09 07:51:12 erstazi: or just "cat > sources.list" ? Aug 09 07:51:13 just incase Aug 09 07:51:30 kulve, what timezone are you in? Aug 09 07:51:35 gmt+3 Aug 09 07:51:45 hu ? Aug 09 07:51:46 10:51 < kulve> gmt+3 Aug 09 07:51:50 i see the file Aug 09 07:51:52 ok its 03:51 here Aug 09 07:51:54 but cant paste Aug 09 07:51:56 erstazi: :) Aug 09 07:52:13 glizitch, ok, yes, did you hit the letter i? Aug 09 07:52:16 (eye) Aug 09 07:52:24 can i download sources.list Aug 09 07:52:30 and edit in text editor Aug 09 07:52:46 glizitch, yeah, hold a sec Aug 09 07:52:48 guess that wont help Aug 09 07:52:49 erstazi: another suggestion: install winscp and use that to copy the sources.list? Aug 09 07:53:08 kulve, putty works also, I was going to give him scp Aug 09 07:53:14 scp should work in putty Aug 09 07:53:18 back and forth Aug 09 07:53:43 glizitch, in windows make a directory in C:\ called nokia or something Aug 09 07:53:49 C:\nokia\ Aug 09 07:54:39 done Aug 09 07:54:43 glizitch, you need to know your ip address for windows, its on the taskbar by the clock Aug 09 07:54:55 you know the network icon Aug 09 07:55:13 not there Aug 09 07:55:29 u mean Aug 09 07:55:36 my local ip Aug 09 07:55:40 like 192 etc Aug 09 07:55:40 yes Aug 09 07:55:43 yes Aug 09 07:55:47 or my real ip ? Aug 09 07:55:53 your local ip Aug 09 07:55:59 i think i know it Aug 09 07:56:13 your Local Area Connection Aug 09 07:56:19 yes Aug 09 07:56:23 ok Aug 09 07:56:28 or you could go to start menu > run > cmd then type ipconfig Aug 09 07:56:31 and it will tell you Aug 09 07:56:43 yes Aug 09 07:56:46 now, I am on my last cig Aug 09 07:56:48 haha Aug 09 07:56:49 its what i thought it was Aug 09 07:56:59 i just quit Aug 09 07:57:03 it sucks Aug 09 07:57:05 hehe Aug 09 07:57:11 chantix baby! Aug 09 07:57:22 I already quit once then started up about 3 years ago again Aug 09 07:57:22 ok\ Aug 09 07:57:24 big mistake Aug 09 07:57:29 yeah Aug 09 07:57:39 2nd time is harder, so says doctor Aug 09 07:57:48 hmmm Aug 09 07:57:52 never quit b4 Aug 09 07:57:53 so Aug 09 07:57:57 guess so Aug 09 07:58:04 well Aug 09 07:58:10 i know my ip Aug 09 07:58:12 ok Aug 09 07:58:21 let me spit the command Aug 09 07:59:01 in putty Aug 09 07:59:02 scp sources.list WindowUserName@WindowIpAddres:C:\nokia\sources.list Aug 09 07:59:22 that sends it to windows Aug 09 07:59:34 ok Aug 09 07:59:50 erstazi: assuming there's an ssh server on the windows.. Aug 09 08:00:01 kulve, oh duh Aug 09 08:00:11 see, I already have that set up on my windows box Aug 09 08:00:13 I am not thinking Aug 09 08:00:27 just get winscp :) Aug 09 08:00:34 yeah just get winscp Aug 09 08:00:38 k Aug 09 08:00:39 and have a few beers haha Aug 09 08:01:01 i got it Aug 09 08:01:10 glizitch, once you have all this setup, its easy as a Tahiti hooker Aug 09 08:02:08 ok Aug 09 08:02:18 or thinking about it, you could have just connected your device to USB and transferred it to your mmc1 Aug 09 08:02:46 well Aug 09 08:02:51 i have winscp now Aug 09 08:03:10 host name Aug 09 08:03:11 and then unmounted and in your putty, cd /media/mmc1;mv /media/mmc1/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list Aug 09 08:03:14 etc... Aug 09 08:03:23 user name and password Aug 09 08:03:32 is that the nokia nfo ? Aug 09 08:03:43 ip address etc ? Aug 09 08:03:58 the host would be your windows box Aug 09 08:04:08 ip address ? Aug 09 08:04:09 <_Monkey> ip address is, like, a property of the wireless connection on the 770 isn't it Aug 09 08:04:22 of the windows box ? Aug 09 08:04:23 Is Marius Vollmer around? Aug 09 08:05:08 konttori, what is his nick? Aug 09 08:05:18 I have no idea Aug 09 08:06:47 good morning Aug 09 08:07:05 morning AD-N770 Aug 09 08:07:15 glizitch, I am sorry, put your info for your 770 Aug 09 08:07:25 hu ? Aug 09 08:07:35 glizitch, your nokia Aug 09 08:07:40 ip ? Aug 09 08:07:43 yes Aug 09 08:07:46 and username andpass Aug 09 08:08:24 can u see the query ? Aug 09 08:12:43 I prefer openssh Aug 09 08:13:22 AD-N770, so do I Aug 09 08:13:32 I never used dropbear Aug 09 08:13:53 to add the repo to sources.list use just echo "repo" >> /etc/apt/sources.list Aug 09 08:14:03 and after red pill mode to install it Aug 09 08:14:28 AD-N770, I have a sources.list i am giving glizitch Aug 09 08:14:36 http://c-wd.net/sources.list Aug 09 08:16:36 erstazi: it's big and most of them are useless, do you believe that's a good idea ? Aug 09 08:17:06 I prefer add just the needed repositories, depending on the version that I'm running on the device Aug 09 08:17:36 AD-N770, the ones that are not working are commented out Aug 09 08:17:49 AD-N770, also, most of the ones I have listed are ones with apps most people require Aug 09 08:19:35 I've seen that are commented, probably I use less app on my devices Aug 09 08:20:26 AD-N770, I don't install of the apps, just most of the apps I have come from at least one of those repos Aug 09 08:21:11 nano? Aug 09 08:21:12 <_Monkey> i guess nano is a tiny text editor. Needs xterm/ssh. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/nano/ Aug 09 08:25:38 good morning Aug 09 08:25:58 morning florian Aug 09 08:59:17 braaap Aug 09 08:59:44 tv is the mind killer - it is the little death Aug 09 09:13:27 and fucking acmonitor is not gardiani.us Aug 09 09:14:58 acmonitor? Aug 09 09:14:58 <_Monkey> acmonitor is N800 version at http://planetmath.cc.vt.edu/~derf/local/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/acmonitor_0.1_armel.deb and N770 version at http://pupnik.de/acmonitor.html Aug 09 09:52:08 hi here Aug 09 09:52:24 im searching for a dapp server for my n800, any idea please ? Aug 09 09:55:33 dazgard: there is daapd and mt-daapd, don't know if there are ports for the n800, as an alternative I can give you an UPnP server Aug 09 09:56:17 Morning, all Aug 09 09:57:50 good morning Aug 09 10:00:56 morning Aug 09 10:00:57 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 09 10:06:17 dev: that's cool Aug 09 10:06:34 where is the upnp server pelase ? Aug 09 10:08:09 dazgard: https://coherence.beebits.net Aug 09 10:44:02 can anyone tell me whether it is normal on a 770 (2006) with syslogd installed to find quite a few "JFFS2 notice: check_node_data: wrong data CRC in data node" errors in kern.log? Aug 09 10:44:49 mrflibble: not sure, but i get those also Aug 09 10:47:08 Cosmo: thanks. I know that linux devices often get filesystem errors that are completely harmless. Aug 09 10:47:23 I take it that /var/lib/dsme/stats/32wd_to is a counter of the amount of times it's booted due to a lifeguard reset? My device is 2 days old and I'm on 238. Aug 09 10:47:48 or maybe it is a common hardware fault caused by broken flash or something.. dunno Aug 09 11:15:45 Is there a way to get a digital clock always visible on screen? Aug 09 11:29:49 Hi there RobHu Aug 09 11:30:03 i think i saw a clock as an apllet in the up task bar somewhere Aug 09 11:30:12 but i dont remember where :-( Aug 09 11:30:48 :) This is cool: https://www.guardiani.us/projects/kagu/changeset/327 Aug 09 11:30:54 melmoth: that's an extra package... nomis should know where the package is :-) Aug 09 11:31:14 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/statusbar-clock/ Aug 09 11:31:37 searching for clock also gave https://garage.maemo.org/projects/maemochron/ Aug 09 11:33:48 <|tbb|> trevarthan: hey everything ok? what do u mean exactly with this iss cool? Aug 09 11:33:50 melmoth: ah, the first is what you want Aug 09 11:34:24 |tbb|: I got rid of the OK button in Kagu. I've been wanting to do that for a looooooooooooooong time. :) Aug 09 11:34:51 i what robhu wants :) i m happy with my current clock setting Aug 09 11:35:25 trevarthan: see that the newest mplayer build has PNG/JP support (for thumbnail generators) and ALFA output. Aug 09 11:37:05 Jaffa: Yeah, I instigated the ALSA support. Aug 09 11:37:07 trevarthan: oh, there was a discussion yesterday about the kinetic scrolling and the jumping at the end. I believe a lot of people will say that the snapping is an integral item, but I'd agree that it looks messy when it snaps at the end. The solution is to do all the calculations before hand and tweak the acceleration curve so that the scroll will always stop on an item boundary. Aug 09 11:37:13 trevarthan: thought you might have done. Aug 09 11:37:50 Jaffa: that changeset I pasted does away with the OK button and snapping. Aug 09 11:37:58 It's not necessary when there is no OK button. Aug 09 11:38:10 true Aug 09 11:38:39 I like the acceleration curve idea, but I don't think it's strictly necessary. Aug 09 11:38:51 when kagu-config comes around we could make it an option though, if not too hard. otoh making ui behavior customizable will require more QA with each release Aug 09 11:44:43 hello Aug 09 11:44:48 hello Aug 09 11:44:49 <_Monkey> niihau, gla55_ Aug 09 11:45:07 is there an unzipper for n800? Aug 09 11:46:20 trevarthan: ISTR reading that the iPhone's scroll snapped and this was for "good reasons". But I dunno what they were. I suppose you could say something about muscle memory when items are the same size. But losing OK is excellent :) Aug 09 11:46:36 How's unique311's theme coming? Aug 09 11:46:49 haven't heard from him in a few days. Aug 09 11:47:07 we're using the theme in SVN right now though. A version of it will be in the next release. Aug 09 11:48:49 Cool. Aug 09 11:49:11 * Jaffa short start hacking on it, TBH. Question of finding time, though Aug 09 11:50:01 make time, that's what I do. Aug 09 11:50:13 I say work on what interests you though. Aug 09 11:51:03 The only real sin, IMO, is not working on what I enjoy because of other obligations. That's a shame. :) Aug 09 11:51:22 Luckily I enjoy Kagu most of the time, so that's why I'm here. Aug 09 11:52:01 * Jaffa also enjoys earning money, watching TV and spending time with Mrs Jaffa & Jaffa Junior. Aug 09 11:53:03 yup, me too. Mrs Jaffa is hawt. :) Aug 09 11:53:31 She is, it's true :) Aug 09 12:03:37 pix Aug 09 12:19:01 on IT2006 is it possible to disable lifeguard_reset without using the flasher? Aug 09 12:31:11 If bootreason is 32wd_to and lifeguard_resets has maemo_af_desktop as the cause, is the most likely candidate an installed applet on the home screen? Aug 09 12:31:22 (770 IT2600) Aug 09 12:45:30 mrflibble: yes. Buggy home applets lead easily to reboots Aug 09 12:56:11 kulve: thanks Aug 09 13:46:56 snd-rawmidi.ko Aug 09 13:48:34 some intruiging modules Aug 09 13:48:50 under mnt/initfs Aug 09 13:53:15 we should take maemo.org down to generate some traffic in channel Aug 09 13:54:19 pupnik, is that why the faq is down? ;) Aug 09 13:54:42 hiya zof Aug 09 13:54:46 duno Aug 09 13:54:59 wiki works Aug 09 13:55:59 why there are GPE aps on http://maemo.org/downloads/ ? can i use them on maemo? Aug 09 13:56:31 you are correct Aug 09 13:58:46 eichi: Yes, looks good - Graham submitted these. Aug 09 13:59:02 wow ^^ Aug 09 14:19:23 is something such as /var/log/messages on the device ? Aug 09 14:33:20