**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Aug 11 02:59:57 2007 Aug 11 03:13:27 can the 770 do NTFS? Aug 11 03:14:04 can do samba Aug 11 03:15:04 There's no reason why you couldn't compile the kernel module for NTFS. Aug 11 03:15:35 would you really want to format flash memory with ntfs? Aug 11 03:15:56 cos i'm guessing you would be able to mount ntfs using samba Aug 11 03:16:22 There's not much point in formatting anything NTFS for use with the tablet. Aug 11 03:16:28 I just got an external HD... figured I may want to try to use it w/ the 770 in the future. Wanted to make sure I didn't stick a bunch of stuff on an NTFS partition and then not able to access it Aug 11 03:16:43 zerojay: that's what i thought... hence why samba should be enough Aug 11 03:16:44 Yeah, better off just sticking with FAT32 then. Aug 11 03:16:59 If you're on Windows, anyways. Aug 11 03:17:13 yeah, ext2 was the other thought Aug 11 03:17:16 darksmurf - you're kind of assuming the 770 is able to pysically connect to your drive... Aug 11 03:17:29 milhouse host usb hack..why wouldn't it? Aug 11 03:17:43 i guess... that works? Aug 11 03:17:43 I wouldn't even bother with that. Aug 11 03:17:53 I should mention I don't actually have a 770 yet, it should be in soon Aug 11 03:17:59 Just set up your drive on your PC and share it with Samba. So much less mess. Aug 11 03:18:19 I've got 2.5TB shared that way. Aug 11 03:18:35 Streaming to two Xboxes, PSP and N800. Aug 11 03:18:37 :D Aug 11 03:18:54 zerojay I've got plenty* of NAS, I'm looking for something mobile (not portable) *-> there is no such thing as plenty Aug 11 03:20:11 Yeah, heh.. I still have something like 400GB free and I'm still considering buying another external USB 500GB drive.. only $125CDN. Aug 11 03:21:42 anyone here on OS 2006? Aug 11 03:22:18 never mind - going to flash my 770 back to os 2006 :) Aug 11 03:22:34 milhouse are you using 2007 now? Aug 11 03:23:43 has anyone tried to take a passive usb hub and add power to it? Aug 11 03:24:36 2007HE on 770 Aug 11 03:24:37 there has got to be a reason why it wouldn't work, but I have no idea what it is. I'd think it would be easier to do that than feed power from the output of a powered hub back into the 770. Aug 11 03:25:27 what do you not like about HE? Aug 11 03:32:44 darksmurg? nothing, i just need to test something in os 2006... Aug 11 03:33:17 i am curious WHY you have to feed power back into the 770... i cant think of any good reason for it to not work like any other unpowered usb host device Aug 11 03:37:51 gah. post reflash hangover. Aug 11 03:43:07 sparr what other unpowered usb host devices do you know of? I'm betting it was some Elect. Engineer's idea "Hey, the only time the USB chip needs power is when it's connected to the PC.. if it doesn't have power that can be a way to detect if we are connected to a PC." I can *almost* understand it. What I want to know is why it can't charge from USB. Aug 11 03:43:37 Darksmurf: the gp2x has unpowered usb host. works fine with any off-the-shelf powered hub Aug 11 03:43:47 cool Aug 11 03:43:52 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mgstmodplug/ - Anyone know if this works with the N800 also? Aug 11 03:45:11 usb charging would be nice Aug 11 03:45:38 pita for electronics though, have to step the 5V up to charging power (6-7V) Aug 11 03:49:10 <||cw2> i have a usb charger and I'm pretty sure there's no step up Aug 11 03:50:54 <||cw2> was a kit similar to this http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/product/10485.htm Aug 11 03:57:24 ||cw2: i think he means he wants to charge the 770 through its USB port Aug 11 03:57:28 hello folks Aug 11 03:57:45 <||cw2> i know, I'm just saying the voltage works as-is Aug 11 03:57:49 oh Aug 11 03:57:50 interesting Aug 11 03:58:02 whoever can edit the maemo.org wiki Aug 11 03:58:06 the old index page is a broken link Aug 11 03:58:11 grrr... a bug remains post flash... Aug 11 03:58:14 <||cw2> it's a little slower than the wall-wort, but not annoyingly so Aug 11 03:58:33 oh well, these are five hours i wont be getting back Aug 11 03:58:59 5 hours to flash? Aug 11 03:59:04 took me 30 minutes, and i had no idea how to do it Aug 11 03:59:15 no, not to flash Aug 11 03:59:24 to restore months of settings and apps Aug 11 03:59:49 and rebuild fonts, etc. Aug 11 03:59:54 Fonts? Aug 11 03:59:54 <_Monkey> Fonts are already antialiased, so Aug 11 04:00:07 hebrew support Aug 11 04:00:17 Ouch. Aug 11 04:00:24 not a big deal Aug 11 04:00:38 I probably keep my N800 pretty vanilla compared to most of you. Aug 11 04:00:40 copy ms arial unicode, rebuild font cache Aug 11 04:01:13 covers support, but not input. input you have to modify system fonts Aug 11 04:01:20 Not because I'm a Linux n00b or don't know what I'm doing with apt-get. Aug 11 04:01:32 but because thats how you roll Aug 11 04:01:51 vanilla chocolate Aug 11 04:01:51 omg Aug 11 04:01:52 Most of the defaults just suit me well, which usually isn't the case. Aug 11 04:01:57 2007 automagically connects to my wifi Aug 11 04:02:02 most awesome feature ever Aug 11 04:02:06 well, for this hour at least Aug 11 04:02:27 my n800 automagically connects to my national provider, "linksys." Aug 11 04:03:28 RTCOMM means not needing to install Gizmo to use my SIP account.. the updates made to IM mean I don't need to bother with Pidgin as RTCOMM appears to have better support for stuff through Jabber than Pidgin has directly (honestly, have the Pidgin devs even heard of status messages?) Aug 11 04:03:46 whats the latest maemo abiword build Aug 11 04:04:04 gaim was great. i hate the new net agnostic ui. Aug 11 04:04:04 More integrated things are, the happier I am, I suppose. Aug 11 04:04:26 I haven't even looked at it yet except for screenshots. Aug 11 04:04:29 yeah, wish the maemo im stack supported oscar/msn/yahoo Aug 11 04:04:42 There's not much of a need. Aug 11 04:04:46 Just use a Jabber server. Aug 11 04:04:53 please dont say gateways Aug 11 04:05:33 Yep.. and with the RTCOMM beta, all the avatars and status messages show up perfectly. Aug 11 04:05:52 Which was part of the reason I didn't want to use Jabber for it before. Aug 11 04:05:58 actually, for the life of me i couldnt make the home applet display without avatars Aug 11 04:06:07 which renders it useless Aug 11 04:06:15 Why's that? Aug 11 04:06:18 'cause it eats half your screen Aug 11 04:06:31 Plenty useful for me, but I see your point. Aug 11 04:07:00 sorry, like applets. Aug 11 04:07:36 too terse: i like applets, and speed contactss uses too much space for me with my other needs. Aug 11 04:07:49 hi there Aug 11 04:07:49 <_Monkey> hey, zodman Aug 11 04:08:09 I've got just two contacts showing in mine... the clock applet, internet search and RSS feed applets also on-screen. Aug 11 04:08:12 _monkey, are you still eating bananas from strangers? Aug 11 04:08:12 <_Monkey> bugger all, i dunno, luria Aug 11 04:08:53 man youre so strung out you dont even remember whose banana's youre eating? Aug 11 04:09:26 _Monkey, get on the wagon before youre an e! special. Aug 11 04:09:26 <_Monkey> Luria: excuse me? Aug 11 04:09:34 Ugh.. kill the bot. Aug 11 04:10:13 man i miss the /kick command Aug 11 04:10:39 Ignore works pretty well. Aug 11 04:11:33 true, but it lacks the visceral joy. Aug 11 04:11:41 i actually like it Aug 11 04:11:52 im new here, yesterday buy my n800 tablet im happy! Aug 11 04:12:05 im from mexico .......... Aug 11 04:13:25 im from nyc, and my n800 is buggy Aug 11 04:14:44 im from nyc, and my n800 is buggy Aug 11 04:14:44 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, Luria. Aug 11 04:14:48 oops Aug 11 04:15:02 whats the latest n800 abiword? Aug 11 04:27:23 any problem keeping mistral/gregale apt sources on bora? Aug 11 04:27:43 put another way, can i install 2.x software on 3.0? or 2006 software on 2007? or 770 software on 800? :) Aug 11 04:40:31 this may look like a silly question: On a ARM CPU, multitasking OS , if Im allocating stuff staticly (stack), the addresses are consecutive,right? Aug 11 04:41:27 no idea Aug 11 04:41:36 im very annoyed with apt-get vs compressed filesystem Aug 11 04:41:38 i have 40MB free Aug 11 04:41:46 apt-get wants to install "75MB" worth of files Aug 11 04:41:50 theres a good chance it will fit Aug 11 04:41:55 but if it doesnt, Bad Things(TM) happen Aug 11 04:44:40 im gonna take a chance at 60MB Aug 11 05:02:42 i am vexed Aug 11 05:02:48 hacker edition offers so many nice new features Aug 11 05:02:50 yeeo Aug 11 05:02:55 but so many negatives :( Aug 11 05:03:01 what negatives is that sparr Aug 11 05:03:08 i just flashed over to the hack version Aug 11 05:03:09 well, for one, so few people run it Aug 11 05:03:13 so there is less support Aug 11 05:03:26 also, its packages are less consistent, more package conflicts and such Aug 11 05:03:27 mm Aug 11 05:03:37 if you try it please let me know if you get crashes with dosbox Aug 11 05:03:45 so maybe better to go over to the latest rel ? Aug 11 05:03:52 i just got my nokia recently actually. Aug 11 05:04:04 i think im going to flash back to 2.2 Aug 11 05:04:09 3.2006-49, that is Aug 11 05:04:15 the latest OS 2006 Aug 11 05:04:27 so hard to decide Aug 11 05:04:31 hehe Aug 11 05:04:45 imma wait it out and see if i encounter the same issues Aug 11 05:04:53 i've just update my sd/mmc cloning instructions in case you want to clone your os 2007he to mmc before you reflash with os 2006. :) Aug 11 05:04:55 i went back too Aug 11 05:04:56 anyone tried hooking it up to a gps receiver yet? Aug 11 05:05:50 i'm planning to do that as well. Aug 11 05:06:48 gonna watch the n93 commercial built into os 2007 :) Aug 11 05:06:56 before i delete it Aug 11 05:07:19 well, gonna try Aug 11 05:07:22 doesnt seem to want to play Aug 11 05:09:43 deleted all the garbage in MyDocs Aug 11 05:09:47 freed up 20MB of space Aug 11 05:09:49 huzzah Aug 11 05:10:10 you get a new mmc card yet? Aug 11 05:10:32 no Aug 11 05:10:37 wont for a while Aug 11 05:10:41 til im sure im sticking with the 770 Aug 11 05:10:48 themes also take up space, but deleting them can screw up your device Aug 11 05:11:11 yea not too picky with the themes myself. Aug 11 05:11:43 you can install a lot of stuff though Aug 11 05:11:49 only a few apps are really bloated Aug 11 05:12:30 i wish there was a better package manager Aug 11 05:12:38 i want dselect or aptitude or synaptic on my 770 Aug 11 05:15:15 how do i get all the catalogues without adding them in manually is it possible to do that? Aug 11 05:24:39 yo ho ho Aug 11 05:24:49 reinstalling sucks Aug 11 05:25:34 i can barely remember what i had which i promptly forget while slowly perusing packages with the package manager Aug 11 05:25:34 sup' Aug 11 05:25:52 how do i get all the packages to add Aug 11 05:26:02 which is even slower with app manager Aug 11 05:26:45 sigh. god knows. but if you have all the good repos, the app manager will make you wait to install them. Aug 11 05:26:54 yeaa.. Aug 11 05:26:57 doh Aug 11 05:26:59 thx anyway Aug 11 05:27:19 seriously... find the stuff you want, which will add most of the good repos Aug 11 05:27:34 before i reflashed i had about 15 Aug 11 05:27:58 which is better, hacker version or the newest nokia release? Aug 11 05:28:30 hacker is unofficial 770 os2007 from nokia Aug 11 05:29:11 unless you have an 770, you want the current os2007 Aug 11 05:29:37 i have the 770. Aug 11 05:30:03 then you want hacker Aug 11 05:30:08 threei: download someone else's sources.list Aug 11 05:30:11 speaking of which... Aug 11 05:30:18 why doesnt the wiki have a sources.list list? Aug 11 05:30:37 i dunno, its dumb Aug 11 05:31:11 someone was making one in .install form in the channel the other night Aug 11 05:31:29 well, when the wiki starts working again... Aug 11 05:31:40 it works? Aug 11 05:31:47 :-) Aug 11 05:32:01 half the pages are broken links Aug 11 05:32:04 due to the damn "refactoring" Aug 11 05:33:15 have you had login problems of late? Aug 11 05:33:35 yes, but they are fixed now Aug 11 05:33:44 oh goodie Aug 11 05:34:27 it took me a day to just linkify one word this past week Aug 11 05:36:27 whatever. glad to hear its fixed. tho i still have this odd thing with itt... i keep getting lockout notices on my account. even though i never use it and have never posted. Aug 11 05:39:14 well, i, for one, think that it's odd. Aug 11 05:42:20 i was afraid the hacker edition OS was far larger than 2006 Aug 11 05:42:34 was for nought... all those huge instruction manual PDFs and other media were to blame Aug 11 05:42:57 fortunately, its a removable package Aug 11 05:43:35 f'ing a... where is that openvpn n800 package Aug 11 05:44:22 in your personal debs collection, eventually Aug 11 05:44:47 yeah, somehow i forgot to keep that one Aug 11 05:44:52 * Luria is a dolt Aug 11 05:45:50 * NeoStrider is leaving Aug 11 05:45:56 goodnight fellows Aug 11 05:45:56 Luria: the removable package doesnt point the right place for the docs Aug 11 05:46:00 when maemo-hackers went down i got real obsessive about collecting the packages i need Aug 11 05:46:00 something about the install moves them Aug 11 05:46:12 you know, a pc based deb manager might be nice Aug 11 05:46:45 i should set up one of my machines to suck down debs Aug 11 05:49:04 huh did have gconf-editor in one of the main repos... is that new? Aug 11 05:49:19 (for n800) Aug 11 05:51:28 wow a lot of indep projects are now in the main repo Aug 11 05:51:47 yeah that deserves some applause Aug 11 05:51:59 i was thinking id have to hunt down wordpy Aug 11 05:56:58 hello all Aug 11 05:57:05 hi Aug 11 05:59:24 What is everyone up to this evening? Aug 11 06:00:31 I am sick in bed, but got my n800 to keep me company Aug 11 06:00:59 sorry to hear it Aug 11 06:01:12 * pupnik is *cough* testing... epsxe Aug 11 06:01:35 what is that? Aug 11 06:01:54 playstation 1 emulator (no, not on the tablet) Aug 11 06:03:44 There is quite a compotent programmer that comments a lot on the Itt forums about emulators Aug 11 06:04:37 It is unfortunate that the only thing he seems to want to do is play olde games Aug 11 06:05:15 what would be more useful to work on? Aug 11 06:05:18 think his nick is arnims or something like that Aug 11 06:05:46 that's me btw Aug 11 06:05:46 I can think of a couple dozen things Aug 11 06:05:58 rly? Aug 11 06:06:02 no jk? Aug 11 06:06:44 yeah the site is pupnik.de Aug 11 06:06:50 I would like to see a better graphical shell to mplayer Aug 11 06:07:04 A good word processor Aug 11 06:07:08 lol Aug 11 06:07:42 think his nick is arnims or something like that Aug 11 06:07:42 that's me btw Aug 11 06:07:42 I can think of a couple dozen things Aug 11 06:07:42 rly? Aug 11 06:07:42 no jk? Aug 11 06:07:45 classic Aug 11 06:08:10 heh Aug 11 06:08:31 various 3rd party utils to let end users more easily interact with power management Aug 11 06:09:11 a bookmark sync app for desktops Aug 11 06:09:30 a 3rd party system backup util Aug 11 06:09:54 good ideas Aug 11 06:09:58 pim type functions with syncing Aug 11 06:10:07 have you looked at gpe? Aug 11 06:10:31 lots of boring meat and potatoes that really flesh out a platform Aug 11 06:10:44 yeah, I know gpe Aug 11 06:11:20 I could care less about pim myself, but I know a lot of people want it Aug 11 06:11:43 gpe seems like a good pim solution to me Aug 11 06:12:41 I would love to be able to do tts with fbreader Aug 11 06:13:19 text to speech? Aug 11 06:13:34 read book normally while stationary then switch to tts mode while walking, biking, etc Aug 11 06:13:38 yeah Aug 11 06:13:51 neat idea - the flite voice might get tiresome though Aug 11 06:13:59 sorry about the abreviations Aug 11 06:14:18 you're typing on the screen keyboard? Aug 11 06:14:25 can't use BT keyboard in bed Aug 11 06:14:32 yeah Aug 11 06:14:33 wow you're pretty fast Aug 11 06:14:52 old school palm user Aug 11 06:15:15 With the carpal tunnel to prove it Aug 11 06:15:35 we have flite for TTS Aug 11 06:15:40 dunno if you could make it work with fbreader Aug 11 06:15:44 you saw unique311's new version of POSE? Aug 11 06:16:11 yeah, would be a question of glueing the two together Aug 11 06:16:32 no, url? Aug 11 06:17:40 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/pose Aug 11 06:18:14 I would also like to see a combined applet for fm and web radio, to better preserve desktop space Aug 11 06:20:37 ah, palm os emu Aug 11 06:21:23 I bought my first palm before they were palm Aug 11 06:22:03 was a US Robotics Pilot 5000 connected organizee Aug 11 06:22:20 I still get a kick out of that Aug 11 06:22:56 as if the killer app for portable computing was going to be todo: Aug 11 06:23:03 ;) Aug 11 06:23:35 wouldn't mind good inking either Aug 11 06:24:00 What do you guys think of this? http://www.guardiani.us/newtheme-songs.png Aug 11 06:24:01 Nokia's version on the n800 is pretty attrocious Aug 11 06:25:02 This the new momentum based scrlling? Aug 11 06:25:35 well, yeah. it's kagu. It's just a new theme I made for it. wondering what everyone thinks about it. Aug 11 06:25:35 saw something about that on the maemo planet aggrg8tr Aug 11 06:25:41 kagu? Aug 11 06:25:42 <_Monkey> kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu Aug 11 06:25:54 there you go. you can see the old theme there. Aug 11 06:26:07 I tried it out with my a2dp headset Aug 11 06:26:27 oh yeah. did it work? Aug 11 06:26:31 btw, stay away from Blueant X5 Aug 11 06:26:47 gonna try to run wesnoth on my 770 Aug 11 06:26:55 if it works, gonna be SO slow Aug 11 06:26:56 their firmwarw upgrade procedure bricked mine Aug 11 06:27:28 I'm so freakin' tired... Aug 11 06:27:28 i just realized that kagu and other players are optimized for finger-based controlling Aug 11 06:27:32 and the headstrap is one size fits none Aug 11 06:27:39 pupnik: yeah Aug 11 06:27:55 i like the theme Aug 11 06:28:02 non-adjustable and far too small for average adult head Aug 11 06:28:04 that's one of the design goals. I think the whole tablet OS should be that way. Thanks. Aug 11 06:28:32 trevarthan, i like that color.. Aug 11 06:28:37 different. Aug 11 06:28:56 :) I'm gonna get yelled at on ITT. I know I am. They'll hate it. Aug 11 06:29:01 They hate everything. :) Aug 11 06:29:17 lol Aug 11 06:29:21 everyone is a critic :) Aug 11 06:29:32 the dice? Aug 11 06:29:41 random song i bet Aug 11 06:29:44 shuffle mode Aug 11 06:29:49 ok Aug 11 06:29:51 disq implemented it a few days ago. Aug 11 06:30:01 so whats with the OK Aug 11 06:30:13 icons like back, ffwd, rrv and pause have fairly low contrast - might do better with a light button surrounding Aug 11 06:30:51 unique311: it's gone. :) Aug 11 06:31:16 going to try bt keyboard Aug 11 06:31:18 0 K free? :) Aug 11 06:31:26 * pupnik ducks Aug 11 06:31:41 wrists starting to hurt from too much pen input Aug 11 06:31:49 you aiming that thing at me, pupnik? :) Aug 11 06:32:18 this su-8w is a biotch to use as it doesnt lock open Aug 11 06:32:54 * pupnik is feeling punny Aug 11 06:33:05 anyone have the stowaway with the dedicated number row? Aug 11 06:33:35 yeah, I do. Aug 11 06:33:43 like it? Aug 11 06:33:44 <_Monkey> like it is for LiLo ;) Aug 11 06:34:22 Rocketman: it's ok. The biggest gripe I have is that the Fn key doesn't work. Surprisingly, that doesn't really stop you from doing things Aug 11 06:34:26 class TextEntrySprite(pygame.sprite.Sprite, WidgetAndContainer): Aug 11 06:34:26 def __init__(self, evManager, labelText, container=None, Xper=.02, Yper=.02, widCount=10): Aug 11 06:34:26 WidgetAndContainer.__init__(self, evManager, container) Aug 11 06:34:31 But it's really F'ing annoying. Aug 11 06:34:35 ^^^lines Aug 11 06:34:45 error i'm getting pointing to the lines.. Aug 11 06:34:49 fninf annoying :0 Aug 11 06:35:16 Rocketman: it's better than the pen, but not as good as a real kb. Aug 11 06:35:21 class TextEntrySprite(pygame.sprite.Sprite, WidgetAndContainer): Aug 11 06:35:22 TypeError: Error when calling the metaclass bases Aug 11 06:35:22 Cannot create a consistent method resolution Aug 11 06:35:22 order (MRO) for bases Sprite, WidgetAndContainer Aug 11 06:35:28 probably Nokia could write a better keymap Aug 11 06:35:40 unique311: what's that from? Aug 11 06:35:49 doesn't look like kagu... Aug 11 06:35:51 but dont´want to undercut their own product Aug 11 06:35:53 python Aug 11 06:35:54 <_Monkey> well, python is at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! Aug 11 06:36:00 its not kagu Aug 11 06:36:35 mediaz another interesting application i want to compile and see if it werks Aug 11 06:36:37 what I want is something like a BT version of a twiddler Aug 11 06:36:49 one handed chording keyboard Aug 11 06:37:00 but not like a frogpad Aug 11 06:37:05 Rocketman: the Thinkoutside would be awesome if the damn Fn key worked. :) Aug 11 06:37:30 I blame the keyboard for that, not nokia Aug 11 06:37:39 why they implemented Fn in software is beyond me. Aug 11 06:37:44 something I could squeeze and manipulate in one hand with the n800 in the other Aug 11 06:38:10 let me know if you find something like that. sounds good to me too. Aug 11 06:38:30 you can always use synergy. Aug 11 06:38:42 lets start a company :) Aug 11 06:38:48 And there's always SSH. That's what I use most of the time. Aug 11 06:38:56 cause believe me I have looked Aug 11 06:39:20 the point is high speed text entry while mobile Aug 11 06:39:30 :) the time might be right. tablets are on the verge of reaching the masses. Aug 11 06:39:46 sorry i'm a little off-topic, but i have an n800 and i'm living in a college that does _not_ have wifi but only ethernet holes in the walls. and they strictly disallow any installation of a "router of any kind (excluding those that 'do no wireless, no routing, no NAT and no DHCP')". is there any way i could (without breaking the rules) use the n800 to access the internet for free in my room? bluetooth perhaps? Aug 11 06:39:51 or in a position where using a conventional keyboard is difficult Aug 11 06:40:22 lnx^: ummmm.... not really, no. Aug 11 06:40:44 there's no such thing as a bluetooth-ethernet dongle? :-P Aug 11 06:41:06 lnx^: get a usb ethernet adapter, apply the published usb power hack to it, and enable usb host mode on your 770 Aug 11 06:41:14 lnx^: no. there are bluetooth serial dongles though. You could use one of those with a dialup modem. Aug 11 06:41:18 lnx^, find the nearest windows, aim the n800 towards it, and pray for a signal Aug 11 06:41:29 if you got completely transparent bridging ap, set it to non us frequencies and turned beaconing off, would be mighty hard to detect Aug 11 06:41:37 sparr: he's got an n800, not a 770. Aug 11 06:42:15 trevarthan: should still work, no? Aug 11 06:42:34 sparr: no. n800 doesn't have host mode currently. Aug 11 06:42:43 lnx^: find yourself a wifi<->ethernet bridge, with no router Aug 11 06:43:20 lnx^: or... hook your PC up to the ethernet, and share the connection over a wifi card in the PC, set up an Ad Hoc connection to the 800 Aug 11 06:43:30 sparr: i'm afraid that goes under the college's vague 'wireless equipment' Aug 11 06:43:55 (the wifi<->ethernet bridge) Aug 11 06:44:15 the question is whether you can mask it well enough that they wouldnt notice Aug 11 06:44:56 can you do bluetooth to the pc? Aug 11 06:45:09 put the ap on non-us frequencies, turn beaconing off, etc Aug 11 06:45:58 mighty hard to detect unless you go by the nick dragorn Aug 11 06:46:34 yeah, but unfortunately cleaners and other staff have (almost unlimited) access to the rooms, and the punishment is quite severe (£100 first offence) if one gets caught having 'illegal equipment' in one's room Aug 11 06:46:52 run the ap at very low power levels Aug 11 06:47:23 take off the ethernet wall plate, get yourself a very small router and mount it in the wall Aug 11 06:47:33 pupnik: i guess bluetooth to the pc is the last option, though i only have a laptop which probably won't be permanently in the room anyway Aug 11 06:47:43 lnx^: change universities. Aug 11 06:47:43 <_Monkey> sparr: that doesn't look right Aug 11 06:47:49 sparr: hehe Aug 11 06:48:26 _Monkey: shut up Aug 11 06:48:27 <_Monkey> sparr: i'm not following you... Aug 11 06:48:32 someone feed monkey a malformed bananna? Aug 11 06:48:51 lnx^: im not joking. why are you going to a school like that? Aug 11 06:49:52 unique311: BTW, I used your PSD files for that theme I just posted. I can't thank you enough for spending time on that. disq and I have both been using it a lot. Aug 11 06:49:57 the it dptmnt should be showing you how to set up the wireless safely Aug 11 06:50:30 not just enforcing a draconian no use policy Aug 11 06:50:54 and what sort of crazy laws do they have that allow them to come into your dorm room at will? Aug 11 06:51:05 In the US, that would never fly Aug 11 06:51:19 lnx^, what do they consider illegal equipment, exactly? Crowbars, lockpicks, bolt cutters, and wireless routers? Aug 11 06:51:41 trevarthan, np. Aug 11 06:51:53 dont forget rock albums Aug 11 06:51:57 I didn't give up working on it. Aug 11 06:52:11 colors are not coming to me. Aug 11 06:52:23 yeah, it's a really old-fashioned college. the building is wooden, so i guess they are afraid of the students' boxes starting fires, in addition to the security threats... Aug 11 06:53:07 if they had decent authentication on their network it wouldnt matter Aug 11 06:53:17 unique311: I cheat. I pick a color I like, then use web tools to find the rest: http://slayeroffice.com/tools/color_palette/ Aug 11 06:53:19 trevarthan, the xci or xpi file is for gimp...also broken down into individual parts. Aug 11 06:53:34 nice Aug 11 06:53:40 lot of big organizations run their taps wide open and implement security elsewhereeeeee Aug 11 06:53:44 unique311: I think we standardized on the PSD. Aug 11 06:53:54 i like that link.. Aug 11 06:53:58 that will come in handy.. Aug 11 06:54:09 maybe theirs an app version of that site.. Aug 11 06:54:13 heh Aug 11 06:54:22 I think adobe has one. Aug 11 06:54:29 lots of 'em out there. Aug 11 06:54:57 The graphics goon at work put me on to that site. I'm not color blind, I just can't pick them out of my head, you know? Aug 11 06:55:08 same.. Aug 11 06:55:09 <_Monkey> hmmm... same is done iirc in word and excel Aug 11 06:55:18 i know how to draw very well. Aug 11 06:55:22 I hate you _Monkey. Aug 11 06:55:23