**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 19 02:59:57 2007 Aug 19 03:15:01 timeless, you there? Aug 19 03:17:36 anyone experienced with vkbs? Aug 19 03:41:24 a web site for submitting photos of windows keys found in the wild, on the side of POS computers and such... would people use it? think it would get filled with spam? Aug 19 03:44:05 sparr, most definitely Aug 19 04:08:22 wooo Aug 19 04:08:39 I went and got my buggy n800 replaced at the Nokia store and the new one is working like a charm so far Aug 19 04:09:31 one guy tried to tell me it wasn't designed to pull files from my cell phone over bluetooth Aug 19 04:09:47 but I told him if that was the case, then he can take the n800 back and give me all my money back Aug 19 04:09:59 he siad, "I'll get my product specialist" and the whole thing was resolved 8) Aug 19 05:36:11 what country has a nokia store? Aug 19 05:38:06 Finland? Aug 19 05:38:07 <_Monkey> i guess Finland is closed in July due to holidays. Please come back later ;) Aug 19 05:38:25 shut up _Monkey Aug 19 05:38:43 heh Aug 19 05:38:57 Canada doesn't have nokia stores. Aug 19 05:38:59 just sony. Aug 19 05:39:21 first charge to my nokia 770... how long should I charge it for? Aug 19 05:39:53 <`0660> until the battery is full? :) Aug 19 05:39:59 didn't it say in the manual? Aug 19 05:40:55 seriously... who looks at manuals? :) I probably should... but I haven't Aug 19 05:41:19 well, it's something to do while you're waiting for the first charge to complete ... Aug 19 05:41:38 <`0660> i did Aug 19 05:42:19 hahaha Aug 19 05:59:02 god damn that took forever Aug 19 05:59:40 put dd-wrt on my router Aug 19 05:59:53 thank god for open aps in the area... Aug 19 06:00:04 bye Aug 19 06:21:35 noooooooooo! dd-wrt violates GPL Aug 19 06:21:59 try x-wrt.org see #x-wrt Aug 19 06:27:40 Lloyd, if not, what? Aug 19 06:28:08 ? Aug 19 06:28:19 oh sorry Aug 19 06:28:32 not dd-wrt Aug 19 06:30:35 guess he needed a better router Aug 19 08:00:12 hi, does anyone know a place where I could get dropbear for n770? I've tried three different sites, all no longer there Aug 19 08:00:34 Other non-root requiring ssh-clients are also ok. Aug 19 08:04:03 http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/d/dropbear/ Aug 19 08:04:35 add repository in app manager http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ mistral main Aug 19 08:05:33 and install dropbear using app manager Aug 19 08:07:31 ok, I'll try that Aug 19 08:09:32 app manager is something else than Application installer? Aug 19 08:09:49 (sorry, I'm all new to this device) Aug 19 08:10:03 tools -> application manager Aug 19 08:10:12 in n770 menu Aug 19 08:11:04 then inside app manager choose tools menu -> application catalogue -> new Aug 19 08:11:14 I don't have tools in that menu. Utilities, Control panel, Extras etc but no Tools Aug 19 08:12:13 how come:) it must be here Aug 19 08:13:10 This could be quite early version... nokia's gift to a dd. Aug 19 08:13:17 which software version do you have? -> control panel -> device -> about product Aug 19 08:14:31 1.2005.42-9 Aug 19 08:15:26 yes, that's the reason Aug 19 08:16:00 the newest OS version fot 770 is 3.2006.49-2 Aug 19 08:16:37 I suggest you first to flash your nokia to the newest os version Aug 19 08:16:47 There is a way to upgrade the OS, I bet? Though I think I need to ask liw first Aug 19 08:16:53 there's hardly any new software for the os2005 release Aug 19 08:17:36 I'm just borrowing this babe, it's not mine (though I'll get either N770 or N800) Aug 19 08:18:17 Is the OS upgrade easy and safe? Aug 19 08:18:35 yes Aug 19 08:18:50 I'll still ask the owner first, but that will help me sell the idea to him Aug 19 08:18:52 just make sure you have a battery fully charged Aug 19 08:20:39 ok, looks easy enough based on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux Aug 19 08:20:52 morning Aug 19 08:20:52 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 19 08:21:21 anyone know how to decompile a vkb? Aug 19 08:23:14 Lynoure you can update from windows http://europe.nokia.com/A4144790 (there's a link to the updater) or you can also do it using a linux flasher Aug 19 08:23:32 soolek: I prefer not to use Windows if I can avoid it Aug 19 08:23:56 I assumed that, but just wanted to let you know :) Aug 19 08:24:00 That's why I'm drooling at this device and not some WindowsCE :) Aug 19 08:24:40 I have both I like n700 more, but there's much much more software for windows ce Aug 19 08:24:48 n770 Aug 19 08:26:23 I am expecting compiling most debian things for this is not impossible if I really miss something. Could be a bit optimistic, though, but I mostly want it for reading pdf, feeds and checking email Aug 19 08:27:19 Lynoure once you reflash to the new os have a try my sources.list http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~gs20787/n770/sources.list Aug 19 08:27:48 there's a lot of usefule software already compiled Aug 19 08:30:48 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/applicationcatalog2006/ Aug 19 08:30:49 soolek: thank you for the link Aug 19 08:31:38 no problem Aug 19 08:35:31 Lynoure: porting debian packages is easier with mud (IMNSHO): http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ Aug 19 08:38:54 Jaffa: thanks. I'm hoping it will never come to that (too busy with interesting things already to start yet another interesting thing) Aug 19 08:39:50 Does anyone know where I can get replacement stylii for the N800? My n800 "slipped" from the slip case and the stylus appears to have disappeared into the nether regions of my bedroom Aug 19 08:41:06 I've heard they are listed on some of the European Nokia online stores, but I can't find it in the US store anywhere Aug 19 08:41:40 Rocketman: if that happens to be so, I can get them here in Europe and send to you Aug 19 08:42:21 Can you buy them where you are at? Aug 19 08:42:51 I live in Finland, so if one can order them somewhere, this ought to be that somewhere Aug 19 08:43:19 hehe, yeah just barge into Nokia's build and demand some stylii! Aug 19 08:43:39 If that doesn't work, nothing will Aug 19 08:43:41 http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=StylusN800&u=/Product.aspx?model=StylusN800 Aug 19 08:44:13 Don't worry, it's not serious, but it looks like the page you've requested isn't available. Aug 19 08:44:13 Try using our search to find what you were looking for: Aug 19 08:44:13 Or you can click on one of the links below to go to our home page or the last page you were looking at. Aug 19 08:44:19 Rocketman: I go into one Nokia building occasionally (Toastmasters meet there) =) but a webshop will prolly be the way Aug 19 08:44:27 below? Aug 19 08:44:49 I basically get an item not found message if I try that item on the US store Aug 19 08:45:03 The Finnish one has them Aug 19 08:45:30 €12.19 for three + delivery. Aug 19 08:45:42 Well, if you can get them I will gladly reimburse you. Can you take paypal? Aug 19 08:46:29 Rocketman: I think I'd rather take IOU until I find something that only ships to USA =) Aug 19 08:47:42 gah, the whole webshop seems broken :( Aug 19 08:48:27 It does not let stuff to be added into the basket Aug 19 08:48:46 I think battering down Nokia's doors sounds like the right approach Aug 19 08:49:49 some forum nokia downloads are offline too Aug 19 08:51:29 Lynoure, got an im account on aim or icq? Aug 19 08:52:06 pming through the server isn't working, as it appears to be blocked for "unregistered" users Aug 19 08:52:24 apparently due to bot spam Aug 19 08:52:41 Hear that _Monkey? My server doesn't like bots Aug 19 08:52:45 Rocketman: oh, no, I don't use IM at all. but you can message me on otfc or ircnet too Aug 19 08:52:54 specially not _Monkey bots Aug 19 08:53:51 I don't seem to be able to find a way they'd actually sell stylus on the webstore, but I can call them and ask (assuming you have called them and asked at your end and gotten a "no, we don't have them for you") Aug 19 08:53:57 Anyways, Lynoure, I am happy to ship something from the states to you if you can't get it there Aug 19 08:54:26 I will try to call them on Monday and if I don't get a better answer than 404, I will let you know Aug 19 08:54:41 I've found Nokia's post sale support to be pretty much innept Aug 19 08:55:06 For Christ's sake, I want to give them money for a couple plastic sticks! Aug 19 08:55:08 Rocketman: I messaged you my email address, too. Aug 19 08:55:14 :) Aug 19 08:55:48 You could go for stylys-pens. Different, but many like them, and available globally Aug 19 08:56:06 I have plenty of stylii around Aug 19 08:56:32 I have been using PDA's and the like since before 99% of the populace knew what one was Aug 19 08:57:00 I have only since 1999 Aug 19 08:58:00 Gone now, email me how it went. Aug 19 11:51:51 http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone Aug 19 11:54:32 maddog rox Aug 19 11:54:51 erh maddox Aug 19 13:14:20 sxpert-work :)) Aug 19 13:54:46 is anyone here alive? Aug 19 13:54:52 * timeless has a couple of silly questions Aug 19 13:56:33 hit me Aug 19 13:57:29 people keep complaining about "MicroB" being "selected' in the "Set Engine" menu Aug 19 13:57:55 is that because they don't understand that the blue "selection" is always assigned to the first _enabled_ menu item when you open a submenu? Aug 19 13:58:06 and has absolutely nothing to do with anything else.... Aug 19 14:02:25 * timeless pokes sully Aug 19 14:02:40 That's way beyond my knowledge, sorry :) Aug 19 14:03:14 well, it's certainly hard for me to expect you to understand how each n800 user thinks Aug 19 14:03:29 is it at least plausible? Aug 19 14:03:43 have you read any comments were people make that statement? Aug 19 14:03:46 Unfortunately I'm a 770 user; is this still relevant? Aug 19 14:03:52 heh Aug 19 14:03:53 no, I've not come across that Aug 19 14:04:06 there should be a version for you this week Aug 19 14:06:36 that's good news :) Aug 19 14:07:33 Just looked it up; very good news! Aug 19 14:08:05 consider: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=62523&postcount=163 Aug 19 14:08:43 i think the problem is that people don't understand how menus work Aug 19 14:08:51 they also don't understand English Aug 19 14:08:56 which doesn't help matters, but hey... Aug 19 14:09:12 : Aug 19 14:09:12 hehe Aug 19 14:09:13 :) Aug 19 14:09:39 "Only the direct edit to .browser file will do" Aug 19 14:09:44 a menu labeled "Set Engine" would never have a checkbox Aug 19 14:09:45 are you sure he's misunderstanding the menus Aug 19 14:09:53 i'm fairly certain, but i'm asking Aug 19 14:10:02 because i'm not possitive Aug 19 14:10:53 disq/sully: you have some application on your nokia770/nokia n800, right? Aug 19 14:11:07 what would you like me to test :P Aug 19 14:11:11 i got both devices Aug 19 14:11:31 * timeless ponders Aug 19 14:11:36 try notes? Aug 19 14:12:11 tap the app menu Aug 19 14:12:12 i could try microb, but ok :P Aug 19 14:12:18 tap the note menu Aug 19 14:12:39 Format->Alignment has optionbuttons btw Aug 19 14:12:43 in the theme i'm using on my 770, the "new" menu Aug 19 14:12:46 disq: yes Aug 19 14:12:52 but it's not called Format>Set Alignment Aug 19 14:13:02 on n800 it's Alignment Aug 19 14:13:02 the 'Set' bit is *important* Aug 19 14:13:32 right, nokia is thankfully not stupid enough to use 'Set' in a menu parenting a radio item Aug 19 14:13:41 it's also "Alignment" in n770. UK locale i think, not sure maybe US Aug 19 14:13:53 right, the localizers are thankfully consistent here Aug 19 14:13:58 and not that bad Aug 19 14:14:05 this menu wasn't designed by a localizer Aug 19 14:14:07 yep, Alignment on the US locale of the 770 Aug 19 14:14:15 it was designed at the last minute by an engineer Aug 19 14:14:22 but it too isn't "Wrong" it follows English rules Aug 19 14:14:38 "Set Engine" means no radio marks for the children Aug 19 14:14:44 ah. the menu in microb hasthe "Set" prefix Aug 19 14:14:45 now i get it Aug 19 14:14:47 "Engine" alone would imply radio marks for the children Aug 19 14:14:51 good :) Aug 19 14:15:10 so, any chance to fix the browser, remove set, add optionbuttons? Aug 19 14:15:19 that's what we're going to do Aug 19 14:16:00 minor problem though... we need to actually enumerate engines to do that Aug 19 14:16:08 right now, the list is hard coded Aug 19 14:16:12 ah Aug 19 14:16:21 would take longer to fix :) Aug 19 14:16:22 so imagine you're using Engine=thrbt Aug 19 14:16:26 yes Aug 19 14:16:35 well, if i switch this to use radios Aug 19 14:16:43 and the item you're using isn't in the list, *then* what? Aug 19 14:16:44 and worse Aug 19 14:16:48 if you *pick* something Aug 19 14:16:53 and we don't switch *now* Aug 19 14:17:00 what the heck do i show in the menu? Aug 19 14:17:06 what you're using, or what you're going to use? Aug 19 14:17:40 a (Latched) suffix? not sure? Aug 19 14:17:48 that's a big problem Aug 19 14:17:55 * timeless nods Aug 19 14:17:58 ok then, go easy Aug 19 14:18:00 keep the set Aug 19 14:18:04 that's the bigger reason for me not to change it Aug 19 14:18:10 until i can solve that, anything else is worse Aug 19 14:18:11 add an insensitive "Current: " item at the top Aug 19 14:18:21 hrm Aug 19 14:18:26 * timeless likes that Aug 19 14:18:47 could i ditch current and just have the top item be checked w/ a seperator? Aug 19 14:18:51 .... Aug 19 14:18:58 Set Engine> [/] Opera Aug 19 14:19:16 mmm Aug 19 14:19:17 | -------- Aug 19 14:19:23 | MicroB Aug 19 14:19:25 | Opera Aug 19 14:19:36 i'm not quite sure that'll work though Aug 19 14:19:42 yeah Aug 19 14:19:47 people will still not understand what's going to happen when the restart Aug 19 14:20:00 an insensitive checked checkbox? or a check icon, whatever.. will be confusing Aug 19 14:20:03 i think i'll just right a release note explaining what the menu does and does not do Aug 19 14:20:24 Engine>Current>Opera Aug 19 14:20:43 Engine>Next Launch>[/]Micro Aug 19 14:20:47 or.. just.. add a " (current)" suffix? Aug 19 14:20:49 hi Aug 19 14:20:51 | Opera Aug 19 14:20:59 current doesn't solve the problem Aug 19 14:21:00 that's better but it's too much clutter :) Aug 19 14:21:05 * timeless nods Aug 19 14:21:12 also, open tabs in background? where is it :P Aug 19 14:21:15 we should have just not included the menu Aug 19 14:21:21 * timeless chuckles Aug 19 14:21:35 maybe, but it's handy Aug 19 14:21:50 (i would still prefer seperate windows for opera and ff engines though) Aug 19 14:22:03 you're greedy Aug 19 14:22:07 well. i am Aug 19 14:22:07 even QNX didn't manage that one Aug 19 14:22:17 it's a standard "feature" of integrated interchangable engines Aug 19 14:22:24 however, i'm not actually certain you can't do it Aug 19 14:22:40 i seem to recall even in QNX you /could/ run a different engine for a different app Aug 19 14:23:00 i only used the free 1.44meg floppy version of qnx Aug 19 14:23:16 * timeless used 6 Aug 19 14:23:24 then went back to my OS/2 Warp 3.0 :P Aug 19 14:23:29 heh Aug 19 14:23:47 OS2 was fun Aug 19 14:23:49 i switched between QNX6.0, BeOS5, OS/2 Wrap 4.0 Aug 19 14:24:15 oh, w/ Solaris 8 thrown in for good measure Aug 19 14:24:49 BeOS.. i remember beos.. it had funny colors i think Aug 19 14:25:10 Nokia colors are funnier Aug 19 14:25:20 although it's true the default was yellow Aug 19 14:25:27 but one of nokia's defaults was orange Aug 19 14:25:30 another was red Aug 19 14:26:43 it2006 colors? yeah. i liked orange until n800 came along with the black (adria?) theme Aug 19 14:27:07 i also love the music in n770 spotlight video Aug 19 14:27:29 LCARS theme > * Aug 19 14:27:31 * sully laughs Aug 19 14:28:20 http://europe.nokia.com/A4145106 this video :) Aug 19 14:28:42 i hope it doesn't require flash Aug 19 14:28:51 oh wait, it's nokia.com, who am i kidding? Aug 19 14:29:01 oh the irony Aug 19 14:29:11 oh, it's ok, i'm saved by the fact that my dns doesn't work for *.nokia.com :) Aug 19 14:29:20 i'm a browser engineer, i hate flash Aug 19 14:29:34 yeah. and the banners Aug 19 14:29:40 oh, and btw, whoever claims the nokia maemo flash 9 impl is complete is smoking something Aug 19 14:29:52 there's unfortunately only one reference in ITT that i've found to the countrary Aug 19 14:29:57 but i predicted it Aug 19 14:30:06 and told people internally before they wrote that bs announcement Aug 19 14:30:20 well, actually, we removed that page from the browser announcement :) Aug 19 14:30:27 i still have flash disabled in my n800 browser Aug 19 14:31:15 it's disabled in my 770 here :) Aug 19 14:31:30 i actually added flash to my firefox earlier to try to view a video stream from some blog Aug 19 14:31:36 i couldn't find the video ;(~ Aug 19 14:31:41 if the flash threads could be reniced then i would consider enabling it Aug 19 14:31:48 but default priority is too high Aug 19 14:31:50 it runs in process Aug 19 14:32:01 which means browser is also blamed for their crashes Aug 19 14:32:07 and memory behavior and ... Aug 19 14:32:37 need embedded mplayer flash replacement Aug 19 14:32:48 though i think mplayer's only good for flv Aug 19 14:33:30 btw, i don't think flash banners can be fixed Aug 19 14:33:38 ? Aug 19 14:33:46 they just suck up the resources Aug 19 14:33:56 i use noscript on my firefoxes Aug 19 14:34:47 there are some banners even opera/ffox on a regular pc can't handle (mouse pointer goes away.. or it updates the canvas so frequently that textarea i-beam flashes faster) Aug 19 14:38:15 ok, i'm confused Aug 19 14:38:22 i really can't reach europe.nokia.com Aug 19 14:38:33 if you do a dnslookup, what do you get? Aug 19 14:38:41 147.243.3.83 Aug 19 14:38:48 same here Aug 19 14:39:01 i presume you can reach tat? Aug 19 14:39:10 are you in the corporote LAN? i can reach it Aug 19 14:39:24 (or corporate, even) Aug 19 14:39:40 my laptop is *normally* in it, yes Aug 19 14:40:02 it's not now? and won't work? that's weird Aug 19 14:40:06 arp cache? Aug 19 14:40:08 but i only have 192, 127, 169, addresses Aug 19 14:40:13 arp's my guess Aug 19 14:40:17 but i don't really speak arp Aug 19 14:40:28 just clear/flush the arp table :) Aug 19 14:40:32 >arp -a Aug 19 14:40:37 Interface: 192.168.255.3 --- 0x3 Aug 19 14:40:37 Internet Address Physical Address Type Aug 19 14:40:37 192.168.255.1 00-13-49-68-a1-cd dynamic Aug 19 14:40:38 -- Aug 19 14:40:48 though i think it only.. yeah.. Aug 19 14:40:53 i was going to say that. :) Aug 19 14:40:59 >? Aug 19 14:41:05 $? Aug 19 14:41:07 :P Aug 19 14:41:21 have you tried a traceroute? Aug 19 14:41:28 yes Aug 19 14:41:51 >tracert -d 147.243.3.83 Aug 19 14:41:57 Tracing route to 147.243.3.83 over a maximum of 30 hops Aug 19 14:41:58 1 * * * Request timed out. Aug 19 14:42:34 >tracert -d www.mozilla.org Aug 19 14:42:39 Tracing route to www-mozilla-org.glb.mozilla.com [63.245.213.14] Aug 19 14:42:39 over a maximum of 30 hops: Aug 19 14:42:40 1 7 ms 6 ms 6 ms 88.115.0.1 Aug 19 14:42:41 .... Aug 19 14:42:42 you could try restarting the gateway Aug 19 14:42:53 ? Aug 19 14:43:01 modem, ap, whatever Aug 19 14:43:02 gateway = router? that works fine for e.g. morg Aug 19 14:43:09 agh. Aug 19 14:43:17 no more ideas :/ Aug 19 14:45:12 I need help with pidgin on my n770 Aug 19 14:46:31 Please, somebody? Aug 19 15:01:51 Vivi got magician shoes! Aug 19 15:44:53 traductor english to spanish for n800 ? Aug 19 15:45:25 google Aug 19 15:45:26 <_Monkey> i guess google is my friend Aug 19 15:46:19 _Monkey: lol Aug 19 15:46:20 <_Monkey> disq: sorry... Aug 19 15:46:26 _Monkey: don't forget google Aug 19 15:46:27 <_Monkey> disq: what? Aug 19 15:46:34 _monkey lol is Aug 19 15:46:34 <_Monkey> OK, timeless. Aug 19 15:46:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Machine_Translation_software Aug 19 15:47:03 timeless, one application, Aug 19 15:47:19 google does translation... Aug 19 15:58:09 timeless, still there? Aug 19 16:13:21 Hi to all .... sorry for my silly question (and for my bad english of course ... :( ) about 2 mounth ago someone told me that a new relese on OS for N800 will be relased and this version broke the API compatilibty but align all the library used to the last available. My information is correct? And if true this version is the last that it is released at the beginning of august? Aug 19 16:15:42 its sorta true Aug 19 16:15:50 won a tablet at auction Aug 19 16:15:57 but i cant really afford to keep it :( Aug 19 16:16:00 gonna end up having to sell it Aug 19 16:16:20 there was an alpha sdk release for maemo 4 earlier this month Aug 19 16:16:49 mk8, google "chinook n800" Aug 19 16:17:56 some parts of chinook have been released as beta (micrb, rtcomm) but as yet, it isnt really out Aug 19 16:19:09 Ok Luria, so this version will be an major version upgrade of the OS Aug 19 16:19:18 yes Aug 19 16:19:30 you know when this OS will be out? Aug 19 16:19:43 plus switch to a packaging, and not a flash, upgrade system Aug 19 16:19:46 no idea Aug 19 16:20:20 the N800 hardware must be upgrade? Aug 19 16:20:52 new versions of maemo in the past required flashing and thus clearing the system Aug 19 16:21:19 no they are using a desktop (downloading packages) approach Aug 19 16:21:42 as a guess tho, since 3.2 was out in july, i wouldnt expect the new maemo 'til fall Aug 19 16:22:19 there is at *least* one more major firmware update confirmed after that Aug 19 16:22:24 as usual, I just update to the 2007.26-8 version Aug 19 16:22:42 so upgrade on new n800 firmware will be a simple apt-get dist-upgrade? :) Aug 19 16:23:22 thats the idea, supposedly Aug 19 16:23:48 one sec Aug 19 16:23:50 brb Aug 19 16:24:12 no sparr ... in the other case you must download the image and install on the N800 .... obviously you lost all the data and the application. Aug 19 16:24:26 For the data you can use the backup utility Aug 19 16:24:42 but for the application you must redownload and reinstall again Aug 19 16:26:33 mk8: i think that luria is saying that way is going away Aug 19 16:26:48 no. the next firmware (4.0) will be flashed. updates to 4.0 are planned to use the dist-upgrade method Aug 19 16:26:53 which is a good thing... there is no reason to require a reflash with a debian-based device Aug 19 16:27:08 im sorry, i should have been clearer Aug 19 16:27:10 i can only dream that they will stop ignoring the 770 long enough to backport SOME of that Aug 19 16:27:21 disq is correct Aug 19 16:27:29 meh, just ordered a 770 Aug 19 16:27:54 sparr: afaik a new release of the os2007on770 is around the corner Aug 19 16:28:15 disq: in the 3.2 version I must use the flasher utility. If for the 4.0 version I can use apt-get I'm happy ... :) Aug 19 16:28:43 you won't be able to dist-upgrade from 3.2 to 4.0, sorry Aug 19 16:29:43 is dropbear-server the recc. way to get a ssh server running on my n800? Aug 19 16:30:45 kreig: i prefer openssh for feature completeness Aug 19 16:30:51 you can install dropbear-server or openssh (apt-get install ssh) they both work Aug 19 16:30:54 i use openssh too Aug 19 16:31:13 ok, I prefer openssh as well Aug 19 16:31:30 I'm not familiar with these smaller devices Aug 19 16:31:48 so I didn't know if I needed to be running stripped down versions of alot of stuff Aug 19 16:34:33 oh man Aug 19 16:34:39 so nice Aug 19 16:35:35 is there a version of xterm that is optimized for input on this device? Aug 19 16:36:11 being able to do "up arrow" or alt-p would be nice Aug 19 16:36:25 I use osso-xterm that work fine Aug 19 16:36:30 xterm? Aug 19 16:36:30 <_Monkey> xterm is the enhanced version of osso-xterm from maemo-hackers. It adds font and color selection support, URL opening through context menu, and a sidebar with additional keys such as Ctrl+letters. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/osso-xterm-advanced or http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/debs/ for an alternate onscreen keyboard Aug 19 16:36:43 good _Monkey Aug 19 16:36:56 sweet Aug 19 16:37:12 _Monkey: openlogos is a language translator http://logos-os.dfki.de/#mozTocId415559 Aug 19 16:37:12 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik_. Aug 19 16:37:15 just navigate to maemo-hackers.org though it's easier to tap-type :P Aug 19 16:37:46 I hae got a good grip on the hadwriting input, but xterm don't like that Aug 19 16:37:59 krieg, use the dpad for up-arrow Aug 19 16:38:04 doh! Aug 19 16:38:17 hehe Aug 19 16:38:18 ah, that too. Aug 19 16:40:03 apt-get install wireless-tool; drool Aug 19 16:40:21 i remember hacking debian packges in like 1998 Aug 19 16:40:31 now it's on this little tiny machine, instead of the Sun ultra 1E Aug 19 16:45:48 kreig: http://dastych.sh.cvut.cz/~jtra/download/maemo/xterm/xterm-screenshot-1.png Aug 19 16:46:09 ive switched to that xterm so i can have ctrl and alt and such Aug 19 16:46:19 also so i can have a larger terminal Aug 19 16:46:44 dude Aug 19 16:46:47 erc in emacs Aug 19 16:46:57 you run that normally on your n800? Aug 19 16:47:12 that is my usual env on my desktop Aug 19 16:47:21 what I am in now 8) Aug 19 16:48:33 n770 Aug 19 16:48:47 yah, just saw, it is for 2006 os and n770 Aug 19 16:48:56 I am not fmailiar with how much compatability I should expect Aug 19 16:49:00 almost anything for 2006 will run on 2007 Aug 19 16:49:06 i am running n800 and 4.2007 Aug 19 16:49:09 some things for 2007 will run on 2006 Aug 19 16:49:20 that's kesl Aug 19 16:49:21 kewl Aug 19 16:49:37 i guess libc and all the core shit has been stable for awhile Aug 19 16:49:41 i hate developers who make packages that Depend on things they dont really need. i keep downloading debian armel packages that "Depend" on libc6 2.5.5 and wont install because we have 2.3.5... and they work just fine Aug 19 16:50:09 they must be using a debhelper and now hand-checking the deps Aug 19 16:50:35 ive actually got dummy equivs packages on my 770 to provide libc6 2.5.5 and debianutils and coreutils Aug 19 16:50:43 and a handful of other things Aug 19 16:52:17 I need another AP in my house Aug 19 16:53:14 i need an ap in my car with a clearwire antenna :) Aug 19 16:53:24 i could almost get rid of my cell phone Aug 19 16:53:34 im in range of my car over 95% of the time Aug 19 16:54:37 wow, I am totally floored Aug 19 16:56:17 ? Aug 19 16:58:31 the xterm with the kbd overlay Aug 19 16:58:43 and the fact that this is a little debian box Aug 19 16:59:31 heh Aug 19 16:59:39 i encountered a guy with a sony mylo the other day Aug 19 16:59:42 Neat isn't it? Aug 19 16:59:43 I go out .... syl Aug 19 16:59:52 they have a slicker GUI... but i put his "runs on linux" to shame with my xterm and apt-get Aug 19 17:00:02 id kill for the mylo's keyboard though Aug 19 17:00:46 there are so many handheld devices in the $100-$150 range that have decent dev/poweruser/hacker communities Aug 19 17:00:55 why wont one company make a single awesome $200 handheld? Aug 19 17:01:11 it'll take awhile to figure out what it what Aug 19 17:01:32 touch screen, slide/flip/fold thumbkeyboard, respectable d-pad, buttons on BOTH SIDES, at least one SD slot Aug 19 17:01:41 this isnt rocket science Aug 19 17:02:15 oh, form, yah, seems reasonable Aug 19 17:02:19 anybody else having problems with OGG support in n800? i installed the package(s) but it (it being osso media player/server) still won't play Aug 19 17:02:25 disq: reboot Aug 19 17:02:30 did reboot Aug 19 17:02:33 oh :( Aug 19 17:02:41 beats me then Aug 19 17:02:42 320x240 resoltunion on the Mylo Aug 19 17:02:55 holy typo Aug 19 17:03:00 sully: i could live with 320x240 if a device got everything else right Aug 19 17:03:10 Agreed, but it'd make web surfing difficult Aug 19 17:03:16 disagree. Aug 19 17:03:27 for me the screen res is essential Aug 19 17:03:37 I am already suffering enough from monitors Aug 19 17:03:48 I don't want to go blind any faster than I am now 8) Aug 19 17:03:48 a GOOD 6pt font on a screen with large pixels can cram a crapload of text onto a low resolution Aug 19 17:03:55 disq: the built-in player doesn't support ogg (afaik) Aug 19 17:03:59 disq i remember seeing something about MIME settings? i may be thinking of the wrong thing Aug 19 17:04:02 ah Aug 19 17:04:03 i had no problem surfing the web on my asus pda, with 240x320 resolution Aug 19 17:04:12 Need that touchscreen too Aug 19 17:04:13 feh Aug 19 17:04:18 yeah, touchscreen is a must Aug 19 17:04:19 osso-media-server won't play ogg (launched via dbus) either Aug 19 17:04:31 same code works fine on 770 with mogg Aug 19 17:04:32 The HTC TyTn comes very very close to me Aug 19 17:04:34 the only thing about the mylo that i envy is the keyboard and the sd slot Aug 19 17:04:40 relative to the 770 Aug 19 17:04:47 (in mogg's case, ogg length is not reported with the get_position call, but that's another story) Aug 19 17:05:05 disq: i noticed the position lacking in kagu... was gonna mention it :) Aug 19 17:05:05 HTC TyTn: Touchscreen, QWERTY, Wifi, cell phone, but unfortunately no GPS Aug 19 17:05:13 And, well, Windows Mobile 5 needs work Aug 19 17:05:26 cell phone is a maybe for me. if they can cram it in cheap, sure. Aug 19 17:05:41 It's nice when we don't have Wifi spread out all over Aug 19 17:05:45 i got a new cellphone yesterday that I can use DUN thru Aug 19 17:05:48 so far id rather have my cell phone in the other pocket Aug 19 17:06:00 but I haven't got it working yet Aug 19 17:06:07 and have a single handheld for everything else Aug 19 17:06:21 unfortunaely, it keeps asking for confirmation whenever I wanna DUN pair Aug 19 17:06:21 cell phone + camera, pda + games + web Aug 19 17:06:22 sparr: i managed to get the current position working, but it won't seek without knowing the length of the track Aug 19 17:06:28 I would like it to work with the cellphone in my backpack Aug 19 17:06:36 disq: interesting. happy/sorry to have inspired the attempt :) Aug 19 17:07:08 Maybe I'll get an 800 at some point Aug 19 17:07:22 The 770 with the MMC card boot and kernel hack for speed is pretty good for now Aug 19 17:07:43 if only my camera did bluetooth 8) Aug 19 17:08:16 Right now I've got to get people at work to try to set up IP over DNS Aug 19 17:09:00 kernel hack for speed? link Aug 19 17:09:24 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7342 Aug 19 17:10:01 I followed weezedog's instructions Aug 19 17:10:30 oh, make damn sure your card supports the higher speeds Aug 19 17:10:39 Kingston 2GB card here does Aug 19 17:15:16 is there a recc. 8 gig card? Aug 19 17:18:44 so, anybody up for designing a teletubbies theme on the n800? *cracks whip* Aug 19 17:20:37 Yeah, does anyone here have OGG working on the n800? Aug 19 17:20:55 teletubbies theme is more important Aug 19 17:22:02 sully: damn. im not flashing again, hope someone packages that Aug 19 17:22:51 teletubbies theme? Are you mad? Aug 19 17:23:05 otherwise known as Windows XP theme Aug 19 17:23:40 of course we'll need emulated teletubby sounds and soundeffects since we can't use the bbc ones Aug 19 17:23:49 Po! Aug 19 17:24:18 vacuumcleaner! scaryphone! Aug 19 17:24:53 haha! Aug 19 17:25:15 took over my screen sess from my n800 Aug 19 17:25:37 i'd like to see 770s/800s in hospitals for ppl to surf the web from bed Aug 19 17:25:48 are my words realy small now? Aug 19 17:25:56 pupnik_: somebody actually blogged about it.. or a forum post in ITT i think. last year or so Aug 19 17:26:04 kreig: no. IRC doesn't have font support. Aug 19 17:26:45 i could be in the loo and you would never know! Aug 19 17:27:06 I'm naked. Aug 19 17:27:10 i use my 770 on the toilet :) Aug 19 17:27:11 (not really) Aug 19 17:27:15 for reading and surfing and irc Aug 19 17:27:35 i stress-test kagu on the toilet all the time (well.. i should choose my words carefully) Aug 19 17:27:57 kagu vs canola... Aug 19 17:28:00 open source, not Aug 19 17:28:04 album covers, not Aug 19 17:28:17 ..., decent volume and seek control Aug 19 17:28:21 lol Aug 19 17:28:23 :( Aug 19 17:28:24 which isnot open? Aug 19 17:28:29 kreig: canola Aug 19 17:28:29 <_Monkey> well, canola is just even more worthless with shared forlders than the mplayer frontend Aug 19 17:28:34 ..., upnp support Aug 19 17:28:36 sparr: stop bitching and code it yourself. Aug 19 17:28:46 trevarthan: working on it :-p Aug 19 17:28:57 we just closed 17 tickets yesterday. :) no way I've had time to do the volume stuff. Aug 19 17:28:57 me and pygame are becoming intimately acquainted Aug 19 17:29:16 considering doing pyweek (poorly) Aug 19 17:29:17 yeah. it's got a learning curve. Aug 19 17:29:26 upnp support in canola is not bad, but mediastreamer rocks about that. hope they don't fubar it up like they did with the n770's default media player Aug 19 17:29:27 so do i have to run as user? Aug 19 17:29:42 kreig: yes Aug 19 17:29:58 kreig: running things as root is a bad idea, because some developers who shall remain nameless do not consider that you might run them that way :-p Aug 19 17:30:12 disq: i agree, mediastreamer is my upnp client of choice Aug 19 17:30:14 I have zero interest in Upnp because it never works for me. go figure. Aug 19 17:30:47 i wonder if there is a upnpfs driver anywhere, to make it transparent to non-upnp apps Aug 19 17:30:49 like smbfs Aug 19 17:30:49 i meant could imake my own user account and replace "user" Aug 19 17:30:54 kreig: no Aug 19 17:31:17 kreig: Bad Things(TM) will happen where devs have hardcoded /home/user... Aug 19 17:32:16 i don't use it upnp much because wifi reception from the bedroom is poor on the opposite/empty side of the bed Aug 19 17:37:05 woo Aug 19 17:37:22 sshed into the little fucker Aug 19 17:40:40 too kewl Aug 19 18:17:42 someone had problem with intltool in scratchbox? Aug 19 18:18:27 when i try to build a deb package it says that it's and old version but it's not Aug 19 18:23:30 configure: error: Your intltool is too old. You need intltool 0.23 or later. Aug 19 18:34:59 what target hashtx? Aug 19 18:35:05 rather what os? Aug 19 19:13:58 someone knows what links are essential inside sources.list in scratchbox Aug 19 19:13:59 ? Aug 19 19:15:39 that depends on what environment you have - gregale or bora Aug 19 19:16:30 bora Aug 19 19:17:05 i've installed scratchbox apophis with arm Aug 19 19:17:17 * erstazi loves scratchbox Aug 19 19:17:38 i think the essentials are already there Aug 19 19:17:47 but not by the script .. with the tarballs Aug 19 19:17:59 if you are missing a library, do a web search for *.deb + maemo Aug 19 19:18:41 i don't have bora here yet - still building with gregale (since i don't use much of the OS) Aug 19 19:19:30 i think it is deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free Aug 19 19:20:02 but i'm not sure Aug 19 19:20:37 installing by the tarballs it comes with links to etch debian only Aug 19 19:21:57 afaik the sources.list is installed not by scratchbox tgzs but by the target OS rootfs Aug 19 19:23:49 but i have to install rootstrap? Aug 19 19:24:33 i ve skiped this Aug 19 19:26:05 you need a maemo rootfs to build maemo apps Aug 19 19:26:10 wb unique311 Aug 19 19:26:57 scratchbox doesn't come with the target filesystem - you could install scratchbox and then build things for (i dunno exactly ) zaurus or other operating systems Aug 19 19:27:59 hello Aug 19 19:29:20 hi Aug 19 19:29:46 but where i get a rootfs? ive installed a toolchain for arm .. i am logged in this target Aug 19 19:31:34 i have maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_armel but i didn't installed in this target its necessary? Aug 19 19:32:27 i don't want to give incorrect advice - but afaik i installed the Maemo_Dev_Platform_rootfs_Nokia_Binaries Aug 19 19:35:04 Gorion1: it depends on what you want do do, in the 3.1 there are 3 part, sbox , the rootstrap, and the nokia binaries Aug 19 19:35:26 I never had to install the binaries Aug 19 19:37:14 with 3.2 I don't understand it any more, one of those components is gone the roofs? Aug 19 19:39:19 keesj: i want to test applications for n700. i supose i need the maemo rootstrap in this case yes? Aug 19 19:40:08 Gorion1: you didn't ask me but yes Aug 19 19:40:25 with scratchbox of course Aug 19 19:40:37 keesj: I think it tries some sort of apt-get upgrade thing, "automatically" Aug 19 19:40:55 but actually 3.1 used scratchbox and had rootstraps, nokia binaries and rootfs Aug 19 19:41:15 3.2 has only repositories and nokia binaries Aug 19 19:41:46 the problem was that i've installed maemo3.1 by the sh script and then the 3.2.. but every time i was trying to build deb packages the stopped saying that intltool was too old.. and it was the lastest version Aug 19 19:41:47 rootstraps are replaced by the upgrade process and rootfs was just plain dropped Aug 19 19:42:11 lle2: yes, it creates a list of supposed packages. Aug 19 19:43:10 keesj: makes it awful to try to test sb2 against it Aug 19 19:43:35 i see Aug 19 19:43:37 jjo_: thanks for the info. Aug 19 19:43:52 keesj: it requires sb1 + 3.1 rootstrap to get going, but the rootstrap basically lacks everything that apt-get needs to work Aug 19 19:44:28 I need help with pidgin on my n770 Aug 19 19:44:36 lle2: indeed, why not use the smae trick you used for running on the system itself , so determine the packages from a running device or is that to messy? Aug 19 19:45:29 keesj: sure, the target image would be useful, but it's not available as a tarball, fetching the contents from the jffs2 image is not trivial Aug 19 19:46:06 sb2 can't use host apt or dpkg for installing, unlike sb1 Aug 19 19:46:19 sb2 would need the buildroot to contain a working target apt and dpkg Aug 19 19:47:23 been asking for that for a few months now, maybe some day Aug 19 19:47:53 Can someone help me with pidgin on my n770 Aug 19 19:48:56 lle2: how did you installed you environment. Aug 19 19:48:57 ? Aug 19 19:49:04 Emh5945, I personally prefer gaim on my n770 Aug 19 19:49:41 I have tried both, and pidgin used to work but it suddenely stopped working Aug 19 19:49:44 lle2: I guess it would not be such a problem if you could "just" create your own Aug 19 19:49:49 Emh5945, but my suggestion is make sure you download and install the protocols that you need, the actual Pidgin app only comes with the container, you personally need to download and install the protocols Aug 19 19:50:11 Emh5945, ah it was working but now its not, any error messages? any warnings? Aug 19 19:50:35 * keesj still has a broken browser on his n800 :( Aug 19 19:50:47 Gorion1: I've not used sb1 for many years now, so don't ask me :) Aug 19 19:50:49 I did install the prtocols, it was working fine then while i was using it it crashed and t no longer opens Aug 19 19:51:04 Emh5945, reinstall pidgin Aug 19 19:51:07 and the protocols Aug 19 19:51:23 I'm thinking about getting the n800, but proper wireless injection stuff is *rather* important to me, since I do work in that field. I know the built-in 802.11 adaptor doesn't support it, but is there any reason I couldn't use a wireless USB dongle and compile my own drivers? Aug 19 19:51:35 I have reinstalled it three times along with the protocols Aug 19 19:51:50 i'am having a painfull error with intltool i removed and when i tried to reinstall it didnt find a package for it Aug 19 19:52:14 Gorion1: what os are you running? Aug 19 19:52:24 ubuntu Aug 19 19:52:27 kupesoft: if your dongle can get its power from somewhere other than n800, then maybe. the host patches are experimental though Aug 19 19:53:13 but the error occurs inside scratchbox. it says that intltool is too old Aug 19 19:53:41 lle2: Ah, it's powerless? Aug 19 19:54:04 i don't know if intltool already comes with sbox or with the rootstrap Aug 19 19:54:43 kupesoft: the battery gives use ~4V max, no way to really get meaningful 5V source Aug 19 19:54:59 I've already tried reinsalling it along with the protocalls Aug 19 19:55:17 No, it's not powerless not on the n800 but it doe snot give much power Aug 19 19:55:38 Do usb wireless dongles need more than 4V? Aug 19 19:56:10 lle2: there was some charge pump but you are right I messured only 3,6 volt on the host Aug 19 19:57:48 Gorion1: I think the intltool comes from sb1 Aug 19 19:58:21 Gorion1: not at all sure though, but it would be the sb1 way Aug 19 19:59:19 Gorion1: you can maybe install your own intltool to /host_usr inside sb1, depends if it's worth the trouble Aug 19 19:59:52 Gorion1: use host-gcc to compile it if necessary Aug 19 20:01:09 Help with pidgin on n770 PLEASE Aug 19 20:01:24 what wireless driver does the n800 use? Aug 19 20:01:27 Or is it proprietary? Aug 19 20:01:57 lle2: thanks ill try it Aug 19 20:03:11 Emh5945, whats up Aug 19 20:03:43 lle2: but where is located host_gcc ? Aug 19 20:04:09 Pidgin used to run fine then when i waas using it it crashed and it no longer opens, i have reinstalled it and protocols Aug 19 20:04:24 Gorion1: inside sb1, say host-gcc Aug 19 20:04:44 Gorion1: doesn't matter how your target is configured, it'll always do the same Aug 19 20:04:55 are USB hostmode for N800 currently not availble? Aug 19 20:05:16 Gorion1: so do something like this: CC=host-gcc ./configure --prefix=/host_usr && make && make install Aug 19 20:05:20 evening all. 770 with HE, cannot install/uninstall anything. Even tried as root using "dpkg -r mplayer" but get "error in /var/lib/dpkg/status near line 9061 package osso-applet-textinput-l10n-ruru" Aug 19 20:06:03 lle2: by default host-gcc is not installed on 3.1 Aug 19 20:06:15 keesj: it isn't? oh my... Aug 19 20:06:58 Gorion1: as I said, ignore everything I say, things seem to have, um.., evolved? Aug 19 20:08:06 lle2: every new release is getting harder and harder to install. Aug 19 20:08:45 perhaps not harder but it's constantly changing Aug 19 20:08:49 keesj: survival of the fittest, aye? Aug 19 20:08:50 matmo - you can fix that file by hand, or restore from a backup Aug 19 20:09:27 matmo: check that directory for backup file - run a diff between them Aug 19 20:10:11 ok, trying now Aug 19 20:10:18 Can anyone tell me what driver is used for the n800's wireless adaptor, lspci or otherwise...? Aug 19 20:10:55 kupesoft: i don't know - perhaps lsmod would show it Aug 19 20:11:07 Pidgin used to work fine then it crashed while i was using it and now i fails to load, i have reinstalled it along with protocols it doesnt work Aug 19 20:11:14 kupesoft: search on garage there is page for the driver. it has been updated recently Aug 19 20:11:25 * pupnik doesn't know pidgin Aug 19 20:12:23 pidgins are flying rats in NYC Aug 19 20:12:31 nasty animals Aug 19 20:14:00 lle2: it worked uhauhauha Aug 19 20:14:49 pupnik: thanks! Now anybody know which mplayer to use on HE, ie, the 770 or 880 release? Aug 19 20:15:24 * keesj goes walking the dog Aug 19 20:16:03 770 Aug 19 20:16:06 afaik Aug 19 20:16:07 ok Aug 19 20:16:10 Come on i need help please Aug 19 20:17:03 pupnik: out of interest, do you know what corrupts "status" file? Aug 19 20:17:26 no - i had that error, googled the answer and that's about it Aug 19 20:18:13 ok, at least mplayer is now trying to do something :-) Aug 19 20:18:59 ...but I think it's hung :-( Aug 19 20:19:32 ah no, back now but no play .flv Aug 19 20:20:27 is there a brand new it2007he out? Aug 19 20:20:37 ...but is player canola vid ok :-) Aug 19 20:20:51 pupnik: not when I checked a few hours ago Aug 19 20:21:08 ok Aug 19 20:22:36 apart from the 770 installed vid this is the first time I have had one running on the 770 - neat! Better than I was led to believe Aug 19 20:22:41 is it normal for kagu scanner to lock up my device? Aug 19 20:23:42 lle2: thanks know i can build deb packages.. the host-gcc comes with my 3.1 Aug 19 20:23:45 keesj: I'm having trouble finding said page, Aug 19 20:25:26 matmo: also try '-nosound' or '-ao esd -ac ffmp3' options with mplayer to narrow down the problem Aug 19 20:26:08 nice to see you ssvb... hope you're doing well :) Aug 19 20:26:40 ssvb: thanks for the suggestion, I'll give it a go. The problem one is just a test dl from youtube. Next to try xvid Aug 19 20:27:08 pupnik: thanks, I'm fine Aug 19 20:28:41 matmo: hangs are most likely related to audio output, flv or xvid hardly will make any difference (though trying more videos will definitely not harm) Aug 19 20:29:30 is the audio problem related to the it2007he dspsound/pcm3 -> pcm2 problem? Aug 19 20:29:47 ssvb: yep "-nosound" gets the vid running Aug 19 20:30:18 pupnik: there were (and maybe still are) problems with fast starting/stopping gstreamer pipeline on N800 Aug 19 20:31:07 i just make my vids work with the inbuilt player Aug 19 20:31:10 am i missing out or something Aug 19 20:32:07 pupnik: mplayer now uses 100 milliseconds delay before resuming playback as a workaround, maybe on 770 it does not work properly Aug 19 20:32:29 ok this doesnt look good, my 770 can connect fine to my wireless network Aug 19 20:32:37 but trying to get a website i get 'Network problem' Aug 19 20:34:09 pupnik: probably the best solution would be free mp3 and vorbis decoders running on DSP in order to get rid of this gstreamer hack Aug 19 20:35:15 ssvb: other option doesn't get sound. No prob, I'll check it later. The canola vid is flv so must be something about the utube one. Most my own vids are in xvid. Aug 19 20:36:19 agree ssvb Aug 19 20:36:30 pupnik: proprietary DSP codecs have one more disadvantage, there is no way to get decoded audio back from DSP which makes them unsuitable for A2DP Aug 19 20:37:01 i blame TI :) Aug 19 20:37:33 also the lugnuts who hold the mp3 patents Aug 19 20:37:43 ugh what the hell is up with my 770 Aug 19 20:40:12 pupnik: I wonder if mp3 patents are valid in Europe? Also Nokia probably already paid "protection money" for mp3 patents for us Aug 19 20:40:48 can i install from scratchbox using the install file on maemo site? Aug 19 20:42:03 any one any idea why i can connect to the access point fine Aug 19 20:42:19 yet cant go on any sites Aug 19 20:42:27 yet i can on my laptop Aug 19 20:43:08 doing nslookup google.com Aug 19 20:43:10 results in Aug 19 20:43:15 Server: Nokia770-49 Aug 19 20:43:20 Address: 127.0.0.1 Aug 19 20:43:24 then nslookup freezes Aug 19 20:43:26 and i have to ctrl-z Aug 19 20:43:58 pupnik: as for DSP, there seems to be lots documentation about it and a free toolchain, at least it should be possible to use DSP just as a number crunching device without the need to access any peripherials Aug 19 20:44:04 anyone at all? Aug 19 20:46:54 argh Aug 19 20:47:03 should i flash it? Aug 19 20:48:56 ssvb: yes lardman and kulve have been experimenting with this Aug 19 20:49:29 amr: could it be that your laptop has the DNS server hardcoded? Aug 19 20:49:47 amr: and the AP is not giving the n770 it's DNS server info, or giving it incorrecly? Aug 19 20:50:08 well i cant go to local ip's either Aug 19 20:50:28 ah, when it connects does it so "Link-Local" anywhere? Aug 19 20:50:36 try disconnecting and re-connecting and see if it says that Aug 19 20:50:52 oh wait Aug 19 20:50:53 i can Aug 19 20:51:00 i can connect to local ip's Aug 19 20:51:13 i tried reconnecting, and restarting the 770 Aug 19 20:51:49 hm Aug 19 20:52:10 pupnik: BTW, I have found some sources for libmad port to C55x DSP, they also use dspgateway (http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.mad.devel/645) Aug 19 20:52:31 right ill try resetting the router as i think its frozen Aug 19 20:52:36 pupnik: did not try to compile them yet though Aug 19 20:53:50 being able to compile c code for the dsp makes it interesting for many applications Aug 19 20:54:44 very exciting stuff - does omap 2420 share same dsp as 1710? Aug 19 20:54:57 pupnik: sure, it could be used as some kind of 2D accelerator for graphics Aug 19 20:56:29 pupnik: yes, it is, but dsp in omap 2420 is clocked at lower frequency, so it might be slower than dsp from 770 (memory speed can make the difference too, so I'm not sure) Aug 19 20:57:52 did you write those ASM blitting tests in sdl? Aug 19 20:58:10 i downloaded them somewhere - a few of the modes gave vertical bars Aug 19 20:58:29 pupnik: no, which ones? Aug 19 20:58:42 pupnik: are they at least fast? Aug 19 20:59:43 searching Aug 19 21:00:39 inline-asm-mem-16bpp.c Aug 19 21:03:30 hey whadya know Aug 19 21:03:34 it was my heap of crap router Aug 19 21:05:14 pupnik: inline asm can be dangerous, I was already hit this bug: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=31693 Aug 19 21:05:51 yes i saw inline problems Aug 19 21:06:02 http://pupnik.de/fastblit.tgz Aug 19 21:06:15 i don't have a readme or know the author's name Aug 19 21:06:32 I'm having the worst time trying to get minimo on the 770... os2006 Aug 19 21:07:01 a-l-p-h-a: i did also and gave up Aug 19 21:07:21 I got it on there without a problem Aug 19 21:07:24 What's the issue? Aug 19 21:07:33 well, I tried the adding the repo Aug 19 21:07:36 and can't get to that repo... Aug 19 21:07:39 sec... Aug 19 21:07:58 This one? Aug 19 21:07:59 Web address - http://repository.maemo.org Aug 19 21:07:59 Distribution - herring Aug 19 21:07:59 Components - main Aug 19 21:08:04 no. Aug 19 21:08:05 it was another one Aug 19 21:08:10 Add that and try it Aug 19 21:08:11 I'm on mistral Aug 19 21:08:15 not herring Aug 19 21:08:24 Nonetheless, add that and give it a whirl Aug 19 21:08:40 okay Aug 19 21:08:42 adding Aug 19 21:09:42 wow, usb transfer soooo slooow! Is the 770 usb 1.0? Aug 19 21:10:01 yes Aug 19 21:10:11 I use ftp or wget Aug 19 21:10:12 huh Aug 19 21:10:36 sully: ftp server/client? Aug 19 21:10:48 *nod* I run a local FTP server Aug 19 21:10:54 (on the 770 side i mean) Aug 19 21:11:02 lets see now... :) Aug 19 21:11:07 ok Aug 19 21:11:16 downloading the new repo... i need to learn how to write again... taptyping stinks. Aug 19 21:11:30 and the handwriting recognizes me, but like 80% of the time only Aug 19 21:11:45 ive never been able to get that much accuracy :p Aug 19 21:11:49 have you done the handwriting teaching? Aug 19 21:11:58 no. Aug 19 21:12:02 do that Aug 19 21:12:07 okay Aug 19 21:12:34 any luck? Aug 19 21:13:13 no... didn't like that repo/distru/comp configuration... Aug 19 21:13:19 well 22meg xvid at least starts to play in mplayer, promising Aug 19 21:13:22 http://repository.maemo.org mistral main Aug 19 21:13:36 changing to http://repository.maemo.org/stable mistral main Aug 19 21:13:38 and testing again Aug 19 21:14:01 still unable to refresh list Aug 19 21:14:11 kupesoft: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/cx3110x/ Aug 19 21:14:54 http://repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/Maemo_Dev_Platform_v2.0_relnotes.txt points to this url, which is out of date http://www.maemo.org/platform/docs/tutorials/Maemo_tutorial.html Aug 19 21:15:20 quits for tonight. see ya and once again thanks for the help! Aug 19 21:16:00 hmm Aug 19 21:16:07 so I can ssh to my n800 Aug 19 21:16:20 but only when it is actually pulling traffic from splace else Aug 19 21:16:27 keesj: I'm curious, what does that do? Aug 19 21:16:31 for isntance, I can login as long as I'm DLing some website Aug 19 21:16:37 but when the website stop, my ssh into the n800 stop Aug 19 21:18:00 is that normal? Aug 19 21:18:09 sully, still no go. Aug 19 21:18:12 My 770 keeps the SSH session alive without issue Aug 19 21:18:35 a-l-p-h-a, I usually try to download all the *.deb files I need to my local computer for just this reason Aug 19 21:18:45 I don't think I got anything but minimo_0.20.1_armel.deb this time though Aug 19 21:19:42 ok, I need to put my toy away 8) Aug 19 21:19:46 so I cna get some chores done Aug 19 21:20:12 i think microb will be great Aug 19 21:20:27 hi Aug 19 21:23:37 ooooooooh minimo isn't in this repo "http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ mistral free" Aug 19 21:25:12 can someone confirm what I just said... I hope to be proven wrong. Aug 19 21:25:44 hmm, apt-get install clean-kitchen is not working Aug 19 21:29:50 version 3.2006.49-2 what name is this? mistral? Aug 19 21:29:55 bora? Aug 19 21:29:57 <_Monkey> rumour has it bora is pointing to 3.2 which is not working yet Aug 19 21:29:57 scirroco? Aug 19 21:30:54 how does one get Make on the 770 (it's on RD mode already..) Aug 19 21:35:05 ahh...somehow I typed the repo in wrong. Aug 19 21:36:22 Which one? Herring? Aug 19 21:36:33 Hey, anyone use the nokia 770 here Aug 19 21:36:37 I do Aug 19 21:37:05 sully: Do you know what is the path to "Documents" section Aug 19 21:37:17 It is /home/user/MyDocs/.documents Aug 19 21:37:17 it isn't /home/user/MyDocs Aug 19 21:37:21 ohhhh Aug 19 21:37:24 For some reason it's a hidden folder Aug 19 21:37:26 thank you man Aug 19 21:37:36 It might be .document, but one of the two should work Aug 19 21:38:53 neither work Aug 19 21:39:00 oh doh Aug 19 21:39:04 my fault Aug 19 21:39:18 I was typing cd /home/user/.documents Aug 19 21:39:26 hehe Aug 19 21:39:37 where can you get Make for the 770? I tried someone's package.. but tar said "invalid tar magic", said the same when i tried to compile one off the gnu site Aug 19 21:39:48 If you use "ls", make sure to use "ls -a" to see hidden files/folders Aug 19 21:40:40 sully: DO use xterm on the 770? Aug 19 21:40:50 yes Aug 19 21:40:55 Because I can't figure out why it will not let me backspace Aug 19 21:41:02 it does Aug 19 21:41:03 That's a buggy version of xterm Aug 19 21:41:08 it just shows it as a character Aug 19 21:41:10 ^h Aug 19 21:41:12 or whatever Aug 19 21:41:12 Well yeah true Aug 19 21:41:22 Oh Aug 19 21:41:25 I think you can set ^H to backspace, but just get the other version of xterm Aug 19 21:41:55 sully: Other version? Aug 19 21:42:00 http://770.fs-security.com/xterm/ I think Aug 19 21:42:29 anyone know about Make then? Aug 19 21:42:31 thats 2005 edition Aug 19 21:42:35 i have 2006 Aug 19 21:42:45 bigmac its in the repos Aug 19 21:42:49 ok Aug 19 21:43:45 aha I found it, BigMac Aug 19 21:43:48 http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm Aug 19 21:44:04 sully: I have OssoXterm Aug 19 21:44:17 yes, I realize :) Aug 19 21:44:22 This is a different version Aug 19 21:44:38 oh Aug 19 21:45:14 Few new features, supports 256 colours, etc Aug 19 21:45:19 Fixes that backspace issue Aug 19 21:47:12 sully mate any info about make on the 770? Aug 19 21:47:16 sully, sec Aug 19 21:47:55 TomCreer, sorry but never played with that one Aug 19 21:48:16 Web address http://home.ufam.edu.br/~agan/minimo/ Aug 19 21:48:16 Distribution mistral/ Aug 19 21:48:16 Components (leave blank) Aug 19 21:48:23 Anyone know how to stop the gtalk icon from showing up in the status bar? Aug 19 21:48:34 Or just tell it to stop loading completly Aug 19 21:53:48 And why is cp /home/user/MyDocs/.documents/Loom /home/user/MyDocs omitting the initial directory? Aug 19 21:54:14 omitting? Aug 19 21:54:33 cp -r for recursive directory copy Aug 19 21:54:34 Is LOOM good? I'm playing through Monkey Island 2 for now Aug 19 21:54:54 besides you probably want to mv instead of cp Aug 19 21:55:01 yes I do Aug 19 21:55:37 i need walkthroughs for those games Aug 19 21:55:44 usually too unintuitive the puzzles Aug 19 21:56:41 I heard it was great Aug 19 21:56:46 whats the dev box on the 770 called again? Aug 19 21:58:27 yeah I end up getting the walkthrus as well Aug 19 21:58:34 Next I'll throw Full Throttle on there Aug 19 21:58:36 anyone get t-mobile internet going on their n800? Aug 19 21:58:39 via DUN Aug 19 21:59:07 getting "Remote server not responding" tho I have tried several suggests APNs Aug 19 22:00:41 what apn you using? Aug 19 22:01:33 interenet.voicestream.com Aug 19 22:01:39 internet.voicestream.com Aug 19 22:01:48 and then internet2 and internet3 Aug 19 22:02:45 got! Aug 19 22:02:52 got it! Aug 19 22:02:53 wooo Aug 19 22:07:31 Somebody help me! I broke pidgin and gaim by activating the iconify plugin now i cant use either of them! Aug 19 22:09:14 you could remove ~/.gaim Aug 19 22:09:43 How, sorry i'm new Aug 19 22:10:09 TomCreer: I just had to add receive-all to /etc/ppp/options, as described on maemo.org chart of phone compat. Aug 19 22:10:30 I had forgetten to switch the APN back to internet2 after trying the others. Once I did that, it connected Aug 19 22:10:47 * pupnik needs someone to work on drpocketsnes with me Aug 19 22:11:10 or .gaim/prefs.xml would probably be enough, and wouldn't lose accounts. Aug 19 22:11:28 ok :) Aug 19 22:11:48 wb Luria Aug 19 22:11:53 yo Aug 19 22:12:07 think i found a bug in microb... Aug 19 22:12:11 How do i remove that though the file manager is pretty limited as far as i know Aug 19 22:12:35 Emh5945, yes, the files manager is pretty limited. not sure if you can access that through any of the gui tool, might need xterm. Aug 19 22:12:43 Emh5945, that reminds me, i have to install canoe Aug 19 22:12:51 or third party file manager Aug 19 22:13:08 I have xterm, but i cant use it very well Aug 19 22:13:58 "rm .gaim/prefs.xml" right after starting xterm should work Aug 19 22:14:08 anyone got aircrack? Aug 19 22:14:34 aircrack-ng is in the main repo, iirc Aug 19 22:15:16 couldnt see it Aug 19 22:15:55 Thank you, that workeed, would pidgin simply be rm .pidgin/prefs.xml or is it different? Aug 19 22:16:27 aircrack's useless on our devices anyways Aug 19 22:17:00 can we not inject? Aug 19 22:17:06 Emh5945, I think pidgin still uses ~/.gaim for it's configuration so it should already work with that too. Aug 19 22:17:54 We cannot inject Aug 19 22:18:06 I use Kismet on my 770 for the hell of it, but there's no practical use Aug 19 22:18:27 no injection Aug 19 22:18:27 darn Aug 19 22:18:33 No it didn't work but i didnt think it would because gaim was working while pidgin wasnt Aug 19 22:18:34 there goes my plan for crashing iphones 8) Aug 19 22:18:42 well, kismet has use, but is mad buggy Aug 19 22:18:48 Actually I wonder, how does one change the MAC address of the 770/800 Aug 19 22:18:58 well, kismet has use, but is mad buggy Aug 19 22:18:58 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, Luria. Aug 19 22:19:00 oops Aug 19 22:19:05 macchanger? Aug 19 22:19:16 Can't be done natively? hrm Aug 19 22:19:17 is lack of injection a hardware limitation? Aug 19 22:19:25 or driver? Aug 19 22:19:27 I think nobody's ported it is all Aug 19 22:19:29 stupid keyboard - ? is shift+arrow key up Aug 19 22:19:31 The driver works Aug 19 22:19:33 Emh5945, oh, yeah, looks like it's .purple Aug 19 22:19:39 ah Aug 19 22:19:50 Actually cracking the key would take forever on a 770/800 as well Aug 19 22:20:39 yeah, aircrack-ng works great on a laptop Aug 19 22:20:55 ah k Aug 19 22:21:01 shame Aug 19 22:21:05 what about airodump? Aug 19 22:21:12 No go on airodump Aug 19 22:21:20 Thank you so much, it works Aug 19 22:21:24 how come? Aug 19 22:21:31 Hasn't been ported Aug 19 22:21:37 aww weak Aug 19 22:21:43 ..anyone want a 770 :P? Aug 19 22:21:48 I haven't done much wireless hacking, but if someone does MAC filtering and you change your MAC to match... are you good? Aug 19 22:21:57 yea Aug 19 22:22:06 I see Aug 19 22:22:14 altho you can have probs if both macs are doing stuff Aug 19 22:22:17 when they send ack's etc Aug 19 22:22:29 there's a software on n770 to change MAC Aug 19 22:22:36 i mean.. that'd be more the other person's concern then yours Aug 19 22:23:42 love how easy it is to change the MAC on linux Aug 19 22:24:06 What's the command? Aug 19 22:24:09 at work we had some software which was mainly on windows, but they rolled out a linux version too. Their licensing tied it to the mac adress lol Aug 19 22:24:55 http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/pool/main/m/macchanger/macchanger_1.5.0-1_armel.deb Aug 19 22:24:57 can use ifconfig Aug 19 22:25:00 ah right, sweet Aug 19 22:25:09 and there's manual: http://www.alobbs.com/macchanger/ Aug 19 22:25:54 i'm not very clued up on the 770 dev.. do maemo2/bora apps not work on mistral? Aug 19 22:25:58 if they're even different Aug 19 22:26:58 bora is it2007 from n800 Aug 19 22:27:06 mistral is n770 it2006 Aug 19 22:27:11 ah.. so bora apps won't work Aug 19 22:27:15 what's maemo2? Aug 19 22:27:34 maemo2 is it2006 Aug 19 22:28:12 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/maemoreleasesrepositoriesdistros/ Aug 19 22:28:28 cheers Aug 19 22:28:30 have a look at this webpage you'll know Aug 19 22:28:34 has anyone tried compiling gnash for it? Aug 19 22:31:12 should be trivial Aug 19 22:31:27 ok, hmm. Aug 19 22:31:44 assume you can't embed in opera as a true flash replacement tho? Aug 19 22:31:47 So getting around MAC filtering would mean hopping into Kismet and looking for active APs Aug 19 22:32:05 Then you look for associated clients to that AP, and change to match the MAC address Aug 19 22:32:22 Worth a try sometime Aug 19 22:32:25 yea Aug 19 22:32:39 you know there is a point in one's life Aug 19 22:32:39 although potential issues if you're both connected to AP at same time Aug 19 22:33:06 where a man must see himself in the mirror, and think: Aug 19 22:33:19 oh shit, my mother finally found my website. Aug 19 22:33:57 sigh. timeless, you around? Aug 19 22:35:15 ffs.. mplayer won't install Aug 19 22:35:19 'couldn't install' Aug 19 22:35:44 Why do people install mplayer anyways? Aug 19 22:35:51 what else is good? Aug 19 22:35:59 i had it working before i flashed it anyways Aug 19 22:36:04 I re-encode my videos for the 770 and play it in the default player Aug 19 22:36:15 Are you not re-encoding? Aug 19 22:36:25 yea Aug 19 22:36:34 i am.. but mplayer still has better codecs Aug 19 22:36:41 well, i assumed so anyway Aug 19 22:36:52 Seems about the same to me Aug 19 22:37:08 right, sully, but what if youre on the road and you download some porn? Aug 19 22:37:11 right, sully, but what if youre on the road and you download some porn? Aug 19 22:37:13 oops Aug 19 22:37:20 no oops, that was worth saying twice! Aug 19 22:37:39 I can't get road porn, here in Canada we don't believe in affordable data Aug 19 22:37:48 mplayer, thus, is for porn. Aug 19 22:38:06 what about open APs? Aug 19 22:38:09 Luria: lol Aug 19 22:38:27 We have some of those, but unfortunately free Wifi seems to be mostly a myth Aug 19 22:38:52 linksys doesnt translate to canadian? Aug 19 22:39:01 haha Aug 19 22:39:15 People in Toronto seem to do MAC filtering if nothing else Aug 19 22:39:17 wimax? Aug 19 22:39:19 cause linksys is my provider. Aug 19 22:39:19 i love mplayer because it plays vides fine, which are not re-encoded for the player Aug 19 22:39:36 get some wimax/wibro on the go Aug 19 22:39:46 like 10mb/s mobile Aug 19 22:39:47 We have WiMax deployed here actually. But how would I access that via the 770? Aug 19 22:39:54 hm you wouldn't Aug 19 22:39:55 i hate genetal herpes commercials. what kinda actor does that? Aug 19 22:40:07 it's supposed to be integrated in the intel chipsets sooner or later Aug 19 22:40:26 I saw the news post about the N800 getting Wimax care of Sprint Aug 19 22:40:30 the SU-O's we have our quite big tho, and take a lot of power Aug 19 22:40:46 oops genital. whatever. damn valtrex commercials. Aug 19 22:41:02 que? n800 has wimax? Aug 19 22:41:07 kagu 1.0.6 released! Aug 19 22:41:13 nah n800 doesn't Aug 19 22:41:36 i was hoping that to be the hw easter egg Aug 19 22:41:42 A revised N800 will Aug 19 22:41:56 if it does i'll upgrade Aug 19 22:42:03 http://www.amazon.com/gp/blog/post/PLNK1YNB3M1T989GR Aug 19 22:42:10 After claims last year to deliver "the first fourth generation (4G) nationwide broadband mobile network," Sprint plans to deliver in 2008 by releasing and supporting a WiMAX-enabled version of the Nokia 800 Internet tablet in select US cities. Sprint also announced that companies such as Intel, LG, Samsung, and Motorola are already developing consumer products that will work with the new 4G network. Aug 19 22:42:24 oh fuck me. Aug 19 22:42:30 editable playlists / album cover view / updated theme / filename parser if no id3 / compilation albums work / also works on the 770! Aug 19 22:42:42 sexy isn't it? Aug 19 22:42:47 lol Aug 19 22:42:48 nicde Aug 19 22:42:57 I almost want to move to the States for that Aug 19 22:42:58 there better be a damn upgrade available Aug 19 22:43:02 nice job disq Aug 19 22:43:04 there any easy way to add tracks/dirs to the Audio Player pl? Aug 19 22:43:22 doesn't say what freq wimax tho Aug 19 22:43:26 I <3 Kagu. I just need to somehow install python 2.5 Aug 19 22:43:41 well, in the end, i still want a a717 Aug 19 22:43:51 _Monkey: python2.5? Aug 19 22:43:51 <_Monkey> python2.5 is at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! Aug 19 22:43:53 cant' find them unlocked tho Aug 19 22:44:15 ok I'm gonna give python 2.5 another try and bug you guys for help Aug 19 22:44:29 ok Aug 19 22:45:37 anyways.. night Aug 19 22:46:08 anyone using/used a solar panel with the n800? Aug 19 22:47:00 _Monkey: Kagu? Aug 19 22:47:00 <_Monkey> Kagu is http://maemo.org/downloads/product/kagu Aug 19 22:47:40 _Monkey, _Monkey? Aug 19 22:47:40 <_Monkey> rumour has it i am an annoying bot Aug 19 22:47:48 lol Aug 19 22:47:54 amen to that Aug 19 22:47:54 _Monkey: google? Aug 19 22:47:54 <_Monkey> google is my friend Aug 19 22:48:29 _Monkey, manual? Aug 19 22:48:30 <_Monkey> luria: bugger all, i dunno Aug 19 22:50:16 the kagu update also includes ogg support, though you'll need to get ogg support working on the n800. (we couldn't, works on the 770 tho) Aug 19 22:51:19 anyone using a 3g phone on att/cingular? Aug 19 22:51:30 with the iT, obviously Aug 19 22:52:54 _Monkey, irc? Aug 19 22:52:54 <_Monkey> irc is only a couple of days old for me Aug 19 22:53:08 _Monkey, freenode? Aug 19 22:53:08 <_Monkey> luria: i don't know Aug 19 22:53:24 hmmm what else... Aug 19 22:53:30 _Monkey, nokia? Aug 19 22:53:30 <_Monkey> nokia is in bed with all the large ones so anything Nokia releases they got to be carefull Aug 19 22:53:39 disq: I got a "Unable to install Kagu." error, though the item now appears in my 770's menu Aug 19 22:53:46 wtf? Aug 19 22:53:50 Running it does nothing Aug 19 22:54:11 * sully checks the ITT thread for info Aug 19 22:54:12 _Monkey, iphone? Aug 19 22:54:12 <_Monkey> iphone is a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens Aug 19 22:54:49 sully: 770 or n800? Aug 19 22:54:54 770 Aug 19 22:54:56 ah Aug 19 22:55:07 the gregale repository is not updated yet, so you installed 1.0.5 which is broken on the 770 Aug 19 22:55:28 gotcha :) Aug 19 22:55:33 i'm refreshing the repo index, it'll probably get updated in a few minutes, will notify you Aug 19 22:56:27 thanks, you rock Aug 19 23:00:53 sigh Aug 19 23:00:58 sully: repo updated now, try again :) Aug 19 23:03:49 Luria: i have used a solar with n800... solarport 4.4 w/usb charging cable Aug 19 23:04:05 Luria: should be even better with a proper auto adapter but i don't have one Aug 19 23:04:42 https://garage.maemo.org/docman/view.php/304/205/kagu.install won't load :| Aug 19 23:04:59 and just as I say that, it does Aug 19 23:05:05 :) Aug 19 23:05:36 disq: It prompted me to install 10.5 Aug 19 23:05:41 er Aug 19 23:05:45 you know what I mean Aug 19 23:05:50 yeah. erm Aug 19 23:06:07 i can see the 1.0.6 deb here: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/gregale/free/k/kagu/ Aug 19 23:06:22 Is it safe to wget that and install locally? Aug 19 23:06:26 yeah Aug 19 23:06:39 could also download from garage.maemo.org/projects/kagu Aug 19 23:27:15 wow beatrix yuu ahh povahful Aug 19 23:36:48 arg, ukmp's maemoscrobbler support is incomplete Aug 19 23:38:53 is there any kind of astronomy software for the n800? Aug 19 23:38:58 okay, the scanner is working... Aug 19 23:39:06 got my album covers Aug 19 23:39:14 :) Aug 19 23:39:18 here goes with the player... Aug 19 23:39:30 Sulis if you find any with a gtk2 interface let us know Aug 19 23:39:42 uh oh, crashed Aug 19 23:39:54 where/how? Aug 19 23:40:11 pupnik: ah, does that mean you have searched and not found any? Aug 19 23:40:14 After "initializing osso player", it just closed Aug 19 23:40:22 can you open xterm and run "kagu" from there, to see what happened? (a ssh session would also do but run as user not root) Aug 19 23:40:23 I'm going to reboot my 770 Aug 19 23:40:25 okay Aug 19 23:41:06 * sully twiddles his thumbs Aug 19 23:41:52 Fatal Python error: (pygame parachute) Segmentation fault Aug 19 23:42:35 okay. mm. Aug 19 23:42:43 latest 770 firmware, right? Aug 19 23:43:21 man it's running slow now Aug 19 23:43:48 correct: 3.2006.49-2 Aug 19 23:43:48 <_Monkey> rumour has it 3.2006.49-2 is the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date Aug 19 23:43:49 it being the tablet? Aug 19 23:43:54 yeah, the 770 Aug 19 23:44:08 probably a stray kagu process running in the background? Aug 19 23:44:30 you can hunt it down and kill it or just reboot :/ but weird error, could be related to threading (but it works for me) Aug 19 23:45:25 no stray kagu processes; interesting Aug 19 23:45:35 huh Aug 19 23:45:41 it is Aug 19 23:45:47 I got two runtime warnings Aug 19 23:45:53 Sulis no, but if you find some interesting linux software, it's always fun to try compiling it for ITOS Aug 19 23:45:56 one for "import cdrom" and one for "import joystick" Aug 19 23:46:03 don't mind them Aug 19 23:46:21 yeah I figured those were safe Aug 19 23:46:48 pupnik: ah, kay, i'l look around Aug 19 23:46:50 "import beer" Aug 19 23:47:20 (that would be rather critical) Aug 20 00:14:02 Is there a way to get swfdec or gnash running with minimo? Aug 20 00:25:13 re Aug 20 00:26:07 hey Aug 20 00:40:55 * pupnik is very impressed with square's artists and composers Aug 20 00:44:16 hey Aug 20 00:44:16 hello :) Aug 20 00:44:23 hello guardian ;) Aug 20 00:44:35 a and guerby Aug 20 00:44:37 you guys know how can I #IFDEF that my app is running on device Aug 20 00:44:39 (from France) Aug 20 00:45:01 s/device/device?/ Aug 20 00:45:01 NeoStrider meant: you guys know how can I #IFDEF that my app is running on device? Aug 20 00:46:04 Does anyone know if there is a Gmail Notifier for OS 2006 (and N 770) ? Aug 20 00:48:25 ifdef is a compile time option, not a runtime option infobot Aug 20 00:48:30 i mean NeoStrider Aug 20 00:48:51 Too late for neostrider I think ;) Aug 20 00:49:09 gah i /am/ tired Aug 20 00:50:44 MCCob: that would be a neat applet to make, but I am sure there is one out there, have you checked http://maemo.org? Aug 20 00:50:57 yep Aug 20 00:51:07 pupnik, I am tired as well, but you have to be *really* tired being GMT+3 Aug 20 00:51:09 There is an applet for N800 (OS 2007) Aug 20 00:51:24 but not for OS 2006 Aug 20 00:51:26 MCCob, I will have to port it then for OS2006 heh Aug 20 00:51:30 :) Aug 20 00:51:43 so cool :) Aug 20 00:52:32 #maemo is one of few places where you can get a port just by asking :) Aug 20 00:52:48 Oooo ! Aug 20 00:52:51 well, I would not mind porting it because I would use it myself Aug 20 00:52:55 Ok more difficult Aug 20 00:53:16 I want the last release of Minimo for OS 2006 Aug 20 00:53:17 :) Aug 20 00:53:18 MCCob, you said you are from france, is this correct? Aug 20 00:53:23 Yeah :) Aug 20 00:53:42 _Monkey: tell MCCob about minimo Aug 20 00:54:04 MCCob, _Monkey (a bot) pm'ed you with info about minimo Aug 20 00:54:14 I have minimo Aug 20 00:54:19 ok nevermind heh Aug 20 00:54:29 but it isn't the _last_ release ;) Aug 20 00:55:17 ah Aug 20 00:55:24 that would be a project that I would not be able to take on myself Aug 20 00:55:52 Yep, Minimo is a hard to developp software :) Aug 20 00:56:09 but Gmail notifier must be much easier ! http://www.flickr.com/photos/atmasphere/462203848/ :) Aug 20 00:56:31 also another Question :) Aug 20 00:56:49 MCCob, I am looking at the gmail notifier at this moment, shoot your question Aug 20 00:57:07 Hey, anyway to uninstall gtalk/stop it from loading on start up? Aug 20 00:57:08 I've downloaded GPSDrive deb here : http://www.elisanet.fi/tapio.tolvanen/nokia770.html Aug 20 00:57:35 but package make error while installing them Aug 20 00:57:35 I haven't messed with GPS yet, so I am not to sure about that one Aug 20 00:57:47 MCCob, is it for OS2006 also? Aug 20 00:57:52 particulary maemo-libpcre3_0.0.1_arm.deb Aug 20 00:57:56 MCCob, is Gmailmon what you mean? Aug 20 00:58:37 Gmailmon isn't Gmail Notifier I think but I can be acceptable also ;) Aug 20 00:58:48 If you see what I mean Aug 20 00:58:53 yes I do Aug 20 00:59:01 cool :) Aug 20 00:59:40 I think Gmail Notifier is a software developped by Nokia and released on tableeter Aug 20 01:00:19 ah Aug 20 01:00:20 GmailMon is an application developp for OS 2005 I Think Aug 20 01:00:24 let me see if they give source code Aug 20 01:02:58 and GmailMon is available here : http://www.tabletcorner.com/nokia770/products.html but package must be build for OS 2005 Aug 20 01:03:50 and (finally :) ) I think "official" Gmail Notifier (by Nokia ?) must be better Aug 20 01:04:13 MCCob, hmm, it runs on OS2006 though Aug 20 01:04:30 the GmailMon,... but I think the Gmail Notifier will be a better choice of course Aug 20 01:06:39 when I try to install gmailmon, apt-get visual interface say to me : uncompatible deb (in French), and logs say ; "Package must have "Section: user:FOO" to be considered compatible" Aug 20 01:08:29 ah Aug 20 01:08:45 so ? :) Aug 20 01:10:09 You found anything about Gmail Notifier ? Aug 20 01:11:38 MCCob, is it mnotify Aug 20 01:11:40 ? Aug 20 01:11:44 yees ! Aug 20 01:12:23 http://bp0.blogger.com/_Ki_XGZxWsq4/RsNdpciefzI/AAAAAAAABsE/AIOfo_Q8nhc/s1600-h/screenshot02.png Aug 20 01:12:29 We can see it here Aug 20 01:13:16 MCCob, its closed source (meaning nokia did not release the source code) but I can attempt to make an applet for it Aug 20 01:13:32 MCCob: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/bora/user/source/m/mnotify/ Aug 20 01:13:34 Thank's a lot Aug 20 01:13:59 Why Nokia don't relaese source code ! ? Aug 20 01:14:03 that would be where the sources would be, I see the debs in the other directory but its not released, or I can ask the maintainer for the source code but it might fall on deaf ears Aug 20 01:14:08 MCCob, proprietary Aug 20 01:14:20 They release source code for maemo and no for this ?! Aug 20 01:14:37 erstazi, and you, where are you from ? Aug 20 01:15:15 MCCob, yes, that happens, not everything is OSS (: I am from the USA Aug 20 01:15:48 ok :) You will have 2 Ghz wiMax soon with Sprint ;) Aug 20 01:16:27 Nokia source manager doesn't listen community ? Aug 20 01:17:23 MCCob, it doesn't matter what the maintainers opinion was, Nokia made it proprietary and did not release the source code Aug 20 01:17:32 ok ok ok ;) Aug 20 01:17:44 so that's strange... Aug 20 01:17:51 MCCob, does the follow URL look interesting? http://www.tabletcorner.com/nokia770/guides/gmm_usersguide.html Aug 20 01:18:08 I understand you want the gmail notifer in the toolbar at the top Aug 20 01:18:23 is anyone running os2007 on their 770? Aug 20 01:18:29 not me Aug 20 01:18:37 high_roller, some are but not all Aug 20 01:18:49 high_roller, some even dual boot both OS2006 and OS2007HE Aug 20 01:18:58 is it worth it? Aug 20 01:19:12 high_roller, personally, I don't see the worth, I kept OS2006 Aug 20 01:19:21 erstazi> I see that, but I think a Python lib can't solve problem in application manager while problem installing a deb file.... Aug 20 01:19:42 MCCob, hmm, I am not sure, let me check some more things Aug 20 01:19:50 to dual boot you need a 1gb mem card right? Aug 20 01:20:43 high_roller, its suggested, a 2gb rs-mmc card is only $20 USD last I checked Aug 20 01:20:55 oh nice Aug 20 01:21:03 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_GetStartedWithSardine Aug 20 01:21:11 "Realistically, a 512MB memory card." Aug 20 01:21:31 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_dualboot_bora.html Aug 20 01:21:35 "256 Mb MMC card (minimum)" Aug 20 01:21:45 "ask google ;)" Aug 20 01:22:04 $20 ! Aug 20 01:22:09 i'm on my 770 now Aug 20 01:22:32 just seeing how good chat is Aug 20 01:22:42 high_roller, did you just receive your 770? Aug 20 01:23:04 i got mine from woot Aug 20 01:23:07 In France, a 2 Gb RS-MMC is about 40 € (about $53) Aug 20 01:23:56 about a month ago Aug 20 01:24:04 like me :) Aug 20 01:24:32 so bedtime Aug 20 01:24:33 bye ! Aug 20 01:24:58 bye Aug 20 01:25:30 MCCob, I will try working on that tonight Aug 20 01:25:38 MCCob, but I might get tired myself, talk to you later Aug 20 01:26:16 ok ok Aug 20 01:26:24 I will go back ;) Aug 20 01:27:21 "take your time" Aug 20 01:32:12 Hi pupnik. Just heard about the issues you had with cdrmooby Aug 20 01:32:29 hi Aug 20 01:32:40 author said he fixed it in 2003 Aug 20 01:32:49 I had other issues with it too Aug 20 01:32:54 aah Aug 20 01:33:19 I landed up reverting to my own "plugin" I wrote. But it did work with .z / .bin Aug 20 01:33:32 What happens exactly when it fails? Aug 20 01:34:12 Also, for better performance, try Dr Hells Soft GPU ;) Aug 20 01:34:24 'Read past EOF' Aug 20 01:34:35 i have only tested with a few PD isos Aug 20 01:34:46 transferring large isos at 200kB/s is a pain Aug 20 01:34:46 PCSX also has a BIAS define, edit it to underclock the psx timers Aug 20 01:34:49 Ahhh Aug 20 01:35:03 well the error only occurs on the small isos Aug 20 01:35:09 ok will do that Aug 20 01:35:11 Weird, but I can see that Aug 20 01:35:20 Dr. Hells is available for DL? Aug 20 01:35:23 Yup Aug 20 01:35:37 http://members.at.infoseek.co.jp/DrHell/labo/index.html Aug 20 01:36:19 I wonder if my dynarec works well on the OMAP, havent tested it on it Aug 20 01:38:29 does lowering samplerate on the SPU help performance much? Aug 20 01:40:06 i got rid of stuttering on freesci by going down to 11025 mono on the adlib opl2 synth - sounds surprisingly good Aug 20 01:40:08 Not really Aug 20 01:40:16 Depends on the SPU though Aug 20 01:40:20 You using Pete's? Aug 20 01:40:23 yes Aug 20 01:40:56 I used Pete's at first. It can be made faster, as Franxis basically rewrote the SPU for us. Aug 20 01:41:26 What will be tempting, is when you get a real PSX commercial game running with a BIAS set high Aug 20 01:41:33 It will go through menu's and such very fast Aug 20 01:41:44 From your 2fps to 20 :P Aug 20 01:42:00 Problem is, it makes things extremely incompatible Aug 20 01:42:30 Which is what took me ages to figure out. The counters.c are poorly designed but correctly done Aug 20 01:42:39 Except! Aug 20 01:42:57 hey folks!!!! Aug 20 01:42:57 If you use that SPU_Async ;) Aug 20 01:43:05 angstron just got BETA!!!! Aug 20 01:43:13 finished everything Aug 20 01:43:26 made a good packing, bulding the levels inside the .deb Aug 20 01:43:27 If SPU_Async is tied into the root counters of pcsx then it triggers an interrupt way too often Aug 20 01:43:29 very easy Aug 20 01:43:36 ahh Aug 20 01:43:37 NeoStrider: awesome. Congrats RP Aug 20 01:44:04 Someone needs to port Zuma to the Nokia ITs :o Aug 20 01:44:52 Someone would need to release the source or get a really freaky recompiler for X86 on ARM, and thats not happenin ;) Aug 20 01:45:23 Unfortunately WindowsBox doesnt exist :P Aug 20 01:45:26 i'll build dr hell into this and take a look at your tips Aug 20 01:46:04 but i'm not going to spend very much time on pcsx Aug 20 01:46:11 pupnik: I'm about to get a lot of stuff rewritten in my emulator. I'll try to get you on our SVN when its up. Aug 20 01:46:13 did some work on the config menus Aug 20 01:46:19 has no one created the .deb firefox plugins for MicroB yet? Aug 20 01:47:41 cool zodttd Aug 20 01:47:49 :) Aug 20 01:48:18 770 packaging system doesnt handle checksums? Aug 20 01:49:07 To be honest, if you get about 2 FPS on a N770, I wouldnt worry about fixing it up. It took years to get from PCSX to where psx4all is now. I rather have you manage a psx4nokia port then have you go through the trouble. Aug 20 01:49:50 It was 2 FPS and less when I first ported PCSX to the GP2X though. Sometimes games got 5, that was after some work too. Aug 20 01:49:52 yes, i wanted an 'unoptimized baseline psx emulator' so we could compare psx4all to it Aug 20 01:50:36 Heh :) Aug 20 01:50:41 new kagu release if you all hadn't noticed yet: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9007 Aug 20 01:51:07 Im suprised you got PCSX working though, as theres a few bugs and lots of wrong ways of porting it Aug 20 01:51:48 it was probably good that i didn't know what i was getting into Aug 20 01:52:15 Im still suprised nobody used that OMAP processor overclocker on the Nokia N770/800 Aug 20 01:52:40 we have had reports from nokia that they weren't able to get much OCing out of it Aug 20 01:53:07 I basically started psx4all when I ported PCSX to the Tapwave Zodiac over one night, and kept trying to improve it until it became something completely different. :P Aug 20 01:53:16 Ahhh. Could very well be true Aug 20 01:54:01 anyone know how to decompile a vkb file? Aug 20 01:55:15 what's a good way to stay in touch about splitting-up work on this zodttd ? Aug 20 01:56:20 there are a couple of tricks i can share for fast rendering/blitting Aug 20 01:56:25 pupnik: have you worked on the data packages for smw? Aug 20 01:56:32 I just solved that issue for angstron Aug 20 01:56:34 otherwise it's pretty straightforward linux Aug 20 01:56:39 "one package does it all" Aug 20 01:56:43 NeoStrider: for packaging? no Aug 20 01:56:52 quite easy Aug 20 01:56:54 do you prompt for the data directory? Aug 20 01:57:03 just hacked the .deb Aug 20 01:57:17 added the filed in ./usr/share/angstron Aug 20 01:57:31 the .deb already had the structured...I just dropped the files there Aug 20 01:57:38 that you can do in 2 minutes! Aug 20 01:57:48 i've merged data plus program debs from another game Aug 20 01:58:23 but the right way (imo) is to prompt user for game data directory Aug 20 01:59:12 also with smw there are many user-designed levels, which probably shoudln't go into /usr/share Aug 20 01:59:45 my plan is to provide to versions Aug 20 01:59:51 one for the average joe Aug 20 01:59:55 and other for the power user Aug 20 02:00:04 the poweruser version look for datafiles on the mmc card Aug 20 02:04:02 * Darksmurf should get his 770 monday :-D I modified a usb keyboard to add a USB A female socket. Worked fine, added more superglue and it dripped into the connector. Have to re-do the work :-( Aug 20 02:05:37 superglue is brittle. I would have used a hotmelt that has some flex to it. Aug 20 02:06:08 /marthastewart Aug 20 02:06:20 Good idea. I'll give that a go when I rip this out and fix it. Aug 20 02:06:52 I'm worried how well it will adhere (sp?) to the metel of the usb connector. Aug 20 02:07:06 there are hotmelts that do good metal adherence. Aug 20 02:07:46 Hey, anyway to uninstall gtalk/stop it from loading on start up? Aug 20 02:08:07 wow. yanks are only four back. Aug 20 02:13:43 hmm Aug 20 02:14:41 so, I think porting a statusbar app to OS2006 from OS2007 wasn't going to be this difficult but I am surprised by the required libraries and 100% of them are in need of update, but if they released the source code, I could start from scratch Aug 20 02:14:46 somehow it seems that microb has gotten worse when it comes to scrolling (with the obvious exception of the keyboard popup thing) Aug 20 02:16:21 hey guys, check it out! Aug 20 02:16:24 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1983/angstron_a5_armel.deb Aug 20 02:16:59 will do NeoStrider Aug 20 02:20:42 Luria: yeah, and all you need to do to crash microb is visit ITT and browse around a bit. then boom! Aug 20 02:21:57 i got a better one Aug 20 02:22:29 anyone wanna test a bug? dunno if it's filed. Aug 20 02:24:43 got to gmail, type in your name, hit tab to switch fields, type in your password Aug 20 02:25:02 got=go Aug 20 02:25:47 I got a better one, install an app through ssh with unmet libraries and you cannot use applicaton manager on your tablet Aug 20 02:25:51 password should appear as plaintext in key/thumb board Aug 20 02:26:59 well, i was talking about fixable things in microb. the pack manager is beyond help. Aug 20 02:27:21 Luria, haha I am just playing, but that did happen though Aug 20 02:30:35 i should reread that arrl book. i think im gonna take the technician test tomorrow Aug 20 02:35:58 anyone still use gizmo on the n800? Aug 20 02:40:05 Luria: I do Aug 20 02:42:26 anyone running orb? Aug 20 02:44:12 rwhitby, if i may ask, why? Aug 20 02:45:46 cause it uses the standard SIP protocol, rather than a proprietary Skype protocol, and it's EULA doesn't require me to allow Skype to use my computer and network to route other people's calls. Aug 20 02:47:28 Since it's SIP, it interoperates with a softphone on my laptop, a hardware ATA adapter at my home, and a usb handset attached to an NSLU2, and the Gizmo presence client that runs on my Treo650. Aug 20 02:48:00 (and any of the other million different things that interoperate with the open IETF SIP standard. Aug 20 02:48:57 oh - you misunderstand me Aug 20 02:49:14 i understand why you use sip Aug 20 02:49:44 but i would have thought most here would have switched to rtcomm Aug 20 02:50:36 i was just wondering if any n800 users are still using the full client Aug 20 02:51:05 ah, I have loaded rtcomm, but haven't really tested it out yet. Aug 20 02:51:32 (sorry for the misunderstanding) Aug 20 02:52:09 no prob. i've ranted against skype a few times too ;-) Aug 20 02:56:55 Any ORB users here? Aug 20 02:57:23 Rocketman, user_ is an orb user (: **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 20 02:59:56 2007