**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Aug 23 02:59:57 2007 Aug 23 03:05:39 when trying to integrate BT Pan in the connection manager via the instruction on the maemo wiki the instructions say to install a d-bus script and it gives a link to a site. That site seems to be down. Anyone know where I could find these scripts? Aug 23 03:52:16 what is the name of this jack? Aug 23 03:52:19 http://www.hdcom.com/rptncm400lg.jpeg Aug 23 03:53:20 i need the name of the end it connects to really Aug 23 03:53:35 which would be the male end i guess Aug 23 03:55:20 http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/images/b/be/LaFonera_Hardware_Disassembling_06.jpg Aug 23 03:55:36 anybody? Aug 23 03:55:36 <_Monkey> hmmm... anybody is Im here Aug 23 04:05:59 unique311, coaxial Aug 23 04:06:06 actually Aug 23 04:06:09 the connector is called BNC Aug 23 04:06:13 the cable is coaxial Aug 23 04:06:17 err Aug 23 04:06:25 acutally thats not a BNC Aug 23 04:06:53 yeah i dunno :) Aug 23 04:23:52 lol Aug 23 04:23:53 k Aug 23 04:23:56 i got it.. Aug 23 04:24:07 trying to make an antenna for my N800 Aug 23 04:24:14 almost donw Aug 23 04:24:16 done Aug 23 04:25:28 unique311, what kind of antenna? Aug 23 04:25:43 bluetooth I see Aug 23 04:25:54 nm Aug 23 04:26:10 I am tired and I just need to go to sleep Aug 23 04:27:09 not bluetoot Aug 23 04:27:30 just using the antenna part because i had it laying around. Aug 23 04:27:41 but for the fm radio Aug 23 04:29:14 i stuck a metal stylus inside the headphone jack on the N800 and the fmradio worked... Aug 23 04:30:28 so i had some shitty headphones and decided to make an antenna for the n800 Aug 23 04:31:02 ah Aug 23 05:03:14 found a performance chewing bug in Ur-Quan Masters Aug 23 05:03:28 really need to get some profiling info on the device though Aug 23 05:04:39 unique311: you around? Aug 23 05:04:47 ya Aug 23 05:05:08 think i just screwed up one of my sd's Aug 23 05:05:08 zodttd said he was getting 1-2 fps in his first version of the psx emulator on the gp2x Aug 23 05:05:41 which is almost what you get on the 770 right? Aug 23 05:05:50 yea Aug 23 05:06:20 then like three people worked over two years to optimize it Aug 23 05:06:46 they're coming up with a new release soon Aug 23 05:06:59 isn't the gp2x version right now using opengl Aug 23 05:07:00 and then he says he'll give me access to it Aug 23 05:07:02 no Aug 23 05:07:23 it's all in software using a custom 3d engine Aug 23 05:07:57 so he should just hand over the gpu plugins source Aug 23 05:08:10 most of his work was on the r3000 core Aug 23 05:08:11 pretty much the only thing you need right Aug 23 05:08:16 no Aug 23 05:08:28 they optimised gpu, spu and core Aug 23 05:08:53 the n800 might even be able to play sound smooth Aug 23 05:08:57 which the gp2x can't right now Aug 23 05:09:28 plus their cdr plugin can read compressed images which is really important Aug 23 05:09:48 a number of psx games compress from 600MB down to around 300MB Aug 23 05:10:10 still much, compressed Aug 23 05:10:22 don't talk about size right now.. Aug 23 05:10:32 i just screwed up a 512 miniSD Aug 23 05:10:45 yeah and a lot of them hardly compress at all, so those 2-4 cd games will take 1-2.5 GB Aug 23 05:10:52 oh sorry Aug 23 05:11:17 at least sd is the best deal in flash now Aug 23 05:12:26 those things are cheap now. Aug 23 05:13:10 big news was 16GB sd november or october Aug 23 05:13:16 32 in january Aug 23 05:14:13 yeah 16gb for $3k or something nuts Aug 23 05:14:51 should be half that price when it hits by xmas Aug 23 05:14:54 or less Aug 23 05:15:04 scratch that Aug 23 05:15:17 16GB for 350 Aug 23 05:15:19 toshiba is annouced it as $350 Aug 23 05:15:25 32 for something like 700 Aug 23 05:15:48 i was think about this Aug 23 05:15:49 http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13765-16GB+SDHC+card+by+MICRODIA.html Aug 23 05:15:58 i doubt the value will hold by release. who do they plan to sell those too. Aug 23 05:16:27 did they say what class Aug 23 05:18:09 oh god this radio is complicated... Aug 23 05:19:15 the n800? Aug 23 05:19:16 <_Monkey> the n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) Aug 23 05:19:48 nah Aug 23 05:19:52 vx-7r Aug 23 05:19:58 i just ordered it Aug 23 05:20:23 i figure by the time it comes, my amatuer radio license will be processed Aug 23 05:20:42 errr... metathesis Aug 23 05:21:30 getting that my card is corrupted or not formatted.. Aug 23 05:21:48 tried formatting it, Aug 23 05:21:50 no go Aug 23 05:21:57 how do i uncorrupt it. Aug 23 05:23:01 fat32 on a desktop? Aug 23 05:23:17 yes Aug 23 05:23:32 and it's not working? Aug 23 05:23:36 no Aug 23 05:23:47 not working on phone Aug 23 05:23:49 bad card perhaps? Aug 23 05:23:49 n800 Aug 23 05:23:50 or pc Aug 23 05:23:56 shows up on pc Aug 23 05:24:04 but doesn't want to format or open Aug 23 05:24:10 n800 Aug 23 05:24:26 shows up but give the corrupt and or not format error Aug 23 05:24:38 on the ppc it doesn't show up at all Aug 23 05:24:50 wait, you are trying to format from the pc via the n800 as a mass storage device? Aug 23 05:24:58 yes Aug 23 05:25:14 because i'm not able to do it on the n800 Aug 23 05:25:23 uh... do you have a reader for the desktop Aug 23 05:25:38 i dont know if you can do what you are trying to do Aug 23 05:29:23 i love the fcc questions that deal with "amateur space stations" Aug 23 05:38:33 heh Aug 23 05:39:41 did i mention i fixed the onscreen button logic last night? Aug 23 05:39:43 or better yet, exceptions dealing with "controlling a space station" Aug 23 05:40:19 what got you interested in HAM? Aug 23 05:40:37 hmmm... Aug 23 05:40:37 it's kind of a throwback Aug 23 05:40:48 a slashdot post, actually. Aug 23 05:41:26 someone mentioned that most geeks could pass the technician exam off the bat Aug 23 05:41:35 and he wasnt wrong Aug 23 05:42:31 is a license needed? Aug 23 05:42:54 yeah Aug 23 05:43:10 but it's trivial, if you have common physics and common sense Aug 23 05:43:24 for the basic tech exam Aug 23 05:43:58 general class is a little harder; extra is about as hard as a mid-level undergrad ee course Aug 23 05:44:30 what will you be broadcasting? Aug 23 05:44:39 but, you can make it as complicated as you want; from desigining antennas to dsp circuits... Aug 23 05:44:44 or joining amsat :-) Aug 23 05:44:54 you cant broadcast :-) Aug 23 05:45:11 broadcasting is a specific term that is sehr verboten Aug 23 05:45:22 just for communicating with others Aug 23 05:45:36 for non commercial purposes, yes Aug 23 05:45:41 ok Aug 23 05:45:44 but the cool thing is this Aug 23 05:46:06 every other type of radio in the us, frs, cb, whatever Aug 23 05:46:21 requires you to buy hardware that is fcc approved. Aug 23 05:47:00 a ham license allows you to do whatever you want with a vfo, as long as it fits in the fcc regs Aug 23 05:47:31 and at 400x the power of off the shelf non-license user radios Aug 23 05:49:50 cool Aug 23 05:50:39 looking at the wikipedia Aug 23 05:50:47 good stuff Aug 23 05:52:52 i was thinking pirate radio. Aug 23 05:54:42 pupnik, did you check out faint on the garage... Aug 23 05:55:00 no, you said it was just a compile Aug 23 05:55:06 guess someone is going to hildon it Aug 23 05:55:48 well yeah..he uploaded the files Aug 23 05:56:05 cool, hopefully he can do that Aug 23 05:56:09 guess he serious about hildonizing it. finally. Aug 23 05:56:31 the memory bug on 770 needs to be fixed too Aug 23 05:56:38 someone took notice of all these goodies. Aug 23 05:56:53 well the 770 could do really nice with rgbpaint Aug 23 05:57:19 yeah that's an interesting bug with the pallettes Aug 23 05:57:22 take a look at his mtpaint source after he hildon it, and try at rgbpaint Aug 23 05:57:38 * pupnik is playing final fantasy IX Aug 23 05:57:42 :) Aug 23 05:57:55 i love me some final fantasy Aug 23 05:58:00 best game ever.. Aug 23 05:58:04 incredible amount of work went into it Aug 23 05:58:06 love 7 8 and 9 Aug 23 05:58:22 cool Aug 23 05:58:46 ff7 was the best selling psx game afaik Aug 23 05:58:55 and each of those cost millions to make Aug 23 05:58:57 i ended 7 and 8 Aug 23 05:59:06 pupnik, google hildon ham Aug 23 06:00:04 what do you control with the nokia? frequency? Aug 23 06:00:24 or is this about packet radio? Aug 23 06:00:50 either Aug 23 06:01:09 once you link the audio out to a transceiver Aug 23 06:01:19 you can do what you want Aug 23 06:01:26 ok that's cool Aug 23 06:01:29 or rather, audio in/out Aug 23 06:02:04 you could build, for example, a cw (morse) transcriber/translator Aug 23 06:03:04 even better if someone gets a bt rs-232 working Aug 23 06:03:17 look up aprs Aug 23 06:03:23 and winlink Aug 23 06:03:49 two very cool things that lend themselves to the maemo platform Aug 23 06:04:20 i can't be intere... whoah Aug 23 06:05:07 brb Aug 23 06:05:13 emails from the amazon with positioning data :-) Aug 23 06:05:29 hmmm... wonder what that was Aug 23 06:07:21 bad smell from power supply nm Aug 23 06:07:29 yeah it's cool stuff you're getting into Aug 23 06:13:41 blown cap? Aug 23 06:15:09 that's usually the smell Aug 23 06:15:15 i just shut down and will replace psu Aug 23 06:15:25 not going to risk some bad shockyness on my drives Aug 23 06:18:28 be super careful Aug 23 06:19:12 i would ground and ware rubber shoes for a bad psu Aug 23 06:19:22 err... wear Aug 23 06:20:41 if you electrocute yourself and die, do let us know. Aug 23 06:21:38 this one scientist i know once woke up on the other side of the room from his workbench Aug 23 06:23:17 high volt caps are scary Aug 23 06:23:42 huh... i left my computer on at home!?! Aug 23 06:23:54 oops Aug 23 06:24:22 Is there some known good source for replacement screens for N770? Aug 23 06:24:36 yeah some people who use huge caps in car audio screw up and reverse polatiry Aug 23 06:24:50 Lynoure: you can order replacement screens for about 150 euro Aug 23 06:25:08 nokia parts shop online Aug 23 06:25:11 pupnik: is that Nokia price or component store price? Aug 23 06:25:38 pupnik: ah. Aug 23 06:25:40 i just saw the link a couple of days ago Aug 23 06:25:54 or you could order a replacement 770 for 150usd Aug 23 06:26:00 ;-) Aug 23 06:26:08 actually less Aug 23 06:26:10 how did you break yours? Aug 23 06:26:20 Luria: but then one needs to be careful not to have the same problem in them Aug 23 06:26:34 oh you have touchscreen errors? Aug 23 06:26:47 pupnik: I did not, it just lost touch sensitivity drasticly with time Aug 23 06:26:48 ah i saw your picture Aug 23 06:27:14 sorry to hear of it Aug 23 06:27:38 pupnik: well, as the result (I think), it was given to me Aug 23 06:27:53 So not a loss of anything else than expectations =) Aug 23 06:29:17 sounds like it should be retired to server duty Aug 23 06:29:40 j/k, somewhat Aug 23 06:30:34 Luria: it kinda can work for pdf reading, once I get the reader started. Is there some way to get to the application menu with just using the buttons? Aug 23 06:31:56 yes, 2nd button from the bottom on the face Aug 23 06:32:11 it looks like a drop down menu list Aug 23 06:32:37 Oh, it works for that too... somehow did not think of it outside app-specific menus Aug 23 06:32:42 the equivalent of hitting alt(+f) on a windows box Aug 23 06:33:52 i dont understand why you would replace the screen though, when a brand new one is less expensive Aug 23 06:34:07 with fresh battery, warranty, etc, etc. Aug 23 06:34:52 Luria: there are no brand new N770, are there? Aug 23 06:34:57 sure Aug 23 06:35:09 well, there is new old stock Aug 23 06:35:13 where are you? Aug 23 06:35:18 country wise Aug 23 06:35:23 Luria: If I could get a component screen, that should not be more than ~70 euros, max Aug 23 06:35:40 Finland Aug 23 06:35:41 <_Monkey> Finland is closed in July due to holidays. Please come back later ;) Aug 23 06:35:47 oh Aug 23 06:36:29 http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-770-internet-tablet-internet-tablet-2006-software-edition/q/loc/101/204081472.html Aug 23 06:36:49 sorry, they are remarkably cheap in the us now Aug 23 06:37:04 seen them as low as 129usd Aug 23 06:37:05 <_Monkey> I haven't seen 'them', Luria Aug 23 06:37:17 _monkey, forget them Aug 23 06:37:18 <_Monkey> Luria, I didn't have anything matching them Aug 23 06:37:40 _monkey, _Monkey? Aug 23 06:37:42 <_Monkey> i am an annoying bot Aug 23 06:37:46 damn straight. Aug 23 06:40:46 Luria: I'm possibly buying a used one for ~100, but I'd rather first take a shot at fixing this one. Aug 23 06:40:56 i understand Aug 23 06:41:05 (100 euros, not dollars, unfortunately) Aug 23 06:41:18 770 reliability kinda scares me, actually Aug 23 06:41:25 and i just ordered one Aug 23 06:41:32 (i have an n800) Aug 23 06:41:56 a percentage just have flaky touch screens Aug 23 06:42:06 plus WSOD Aug 23 06:42:37 That seems how touchscreens go. Luckily new-new devices often come with 24 month warranty Aug 23 06:42:37 i've seen barely used 770s on craig's list if you have such thing in your country Aug 23 06:43:04 which is why i would avoid a used 770 unless it were $50 Aug 23 06:43:07 :/ Aug 23 06:43:09 some as low as $90 Aug 23 06:43:16 most people just wanna get rid of em Aug 23 06:43:24 hmmm Aug 23 06:43:32 since the 770 didn't live up to their expectations Aug 23 06:43:56 Gigabites: I could no buy one without testing it first, but I know couple of people possible wanting to sell theirs Aug 23 06:44:26 i bought a new in box N800 for $250 and i tested it while I was there before paying for it, it's now my "just in case" back up" Aug 23 06:44:39 i like the n800 Aug 23 06:44:46 its almost my perfect device Aug 23 06:44:56 that'sthe beaauty of craig's list, it's local, you go to it to buy it, so you can do a quick test Aug 23 06:45:05 I like the N770 shape better Aug 23 06:45:38 i bought my n800 for $230 new at compusa when they closed stores, I should have bought all of em and sold em for a small profit heh Aug 23 06:45:38 somewhere between the n800 and http://www.groupmobile.com/product.asp?sku=2991&dept_id=82 Aug 23 06:45:42 the case is especially nicer than the eyeglasses-style pouch Aug 23 06:46:08 yeah, though dont lose the case Aug 23 06:46:19 i do think the n800 looks a lot better Aug 23 06:46:26 i mean the 770 Aug 23 06:46:28 the camera is useless for me Aug 23 06:46:36 hahah hopefully closer to the n800, $4k for a tiny computer is a bit much Aug 23 06:46:46 I have camera in the phone and in the camera already :) Aug 23 06:47:20 http://www.ruggedpcreview.com/3_notebooks_itronix_mr1.html Aug 23 06:47:22 But, I better head to work now. Aug 23 06:47:24 read the review Aug 23 06:47:37 the coolest machine ever Aug 23 06:47:50 its like a modern version of my panasonic cf-m34 Aug 23 06:47:56 sure, but i don't need $4k tiny pc Aug 23 06:48:41 $300 for a n800 is good for what it is Aug 23 06:48:44 plus, the general dynamics logo looks like it came out of robocop Aug 23 06:48:51 hey, no complaints here Aug 23 06:48:59 but i would love a rugged n800 Aug 23 06:49:05 sub $300 in my case Aug 23 06:49:33 and for the love of god, if not xflective, an outdoors readable screen Aug 23 06:49:46 true Aug 23 06:49:53 its such a waste of battery power not to have it Aug 23 06:49:58 sing maemo mapper in the car is a pain in the daytime Aug 23 06:49:59 you want to compete with the sun, you need a big battery Aug 23 06:50:08 no, you dont Aug 23 06:50:15 using Aug 23 06:50:23 sunlight is bright Aug 23 06:50:23 you need to compromise on indoors contrast ratio Aug 23 06:50:34 hm Aug 23 06:51:24 people shining flashlights in the sun don't make sense Aug 23 06:51:28 i must say that the n800 has a much better rf for wifi than the 770 Aug 23 06:52:25 psion 5mx is readable in sun Aug 23 06:52:40 yeh but i don't care to own one Aug 23 06:53:45 unique311: around? that connector is a TNC Aug 23 06:53:58 thanks Aug 23 06:54:44 gnight all... Aug 23 06:54:59 cu Aug 23 06:55:18 man, wesnoth is the coolest game on n800 so far Aug 23 06:55:30 nethack, foo! Aug 23 06:55:47 um different type of game Aug 23 06:56:06 coolness is coolnes Aug 23 06:56:27 err... screwed the pooch on that tautology Aug 23 06:56:35 nethack is cool if you like rpg that you can't really save your place, die way too fast, has no real storyline, etc Aug 23 06:57:06 in roguelikes you die often, it's a different game paradigm Aug 23 06:57:27 sure, its a good hacker game Aug 23 06:57:33 die early, die often. Aug 23 06:57:34 wesnoth's fit and finish is much better, not so ... "i'm playing at the campus computer lab in the mid '90s" Aug 23 06:58:07 the 90s ruled Aug 23 06:58:11 yeah Aug 23 06:58:21 wtf is with this 00's bs Aug 23 06:58:26 the user made scenarious are cool too Aug 23 06:58:57 i need to try wesnoth - does it require more than 64MB? (vm) Aug 23 06:59:00 the '90s was fun, too bad the music suckede Aug 23 06:59:22 music was fine. Aug 23 06:59:29 pup, yes, 60 meg for the main game, and anywhere between 2-14 megs for scenarious Aug 23 06:59:38 there was an explosion of new musical directions in the 90s Aug 23 06:59:39 eternal september sucked Aug 23 06:59:54 grunge sucked Aug 23 07:00:20 and the whole boyband/girlband thing was a joke Aug 23 07:00:40 if you refer to pop music, that always sucks Aug 23 07:00:48 which was remedied in the 00s... right? Aug 23 07:01:02 grunge didnt suck. some of it sucked. Aug 23 07:01:33 no as a music genre and a fashion, it sucked Aug 23 07:01:44 ok. Aug 23 07:01:50 bed time, sorta Aug 23 07:01:58 btw re: grunge, one of the inspirations for Nirvana was 'Meat Puppets' - early 90s pregrunge that rocked. Also Pixies rocked (proto-grunge as well) Aug 23 07:02:03 or, brb after a subway ride Aug 23 07:02:28 loveed meat puppets hated over rated nirvana Aug 23 07:02:46 nice to meet you :) Aug 23 07:02:55 heh Aug 23 07:03:12 i wonder if they have wifi in subways? Aug 23 07:12:43 how does grunge differ from prog? Aug 23 07:13:54 dunno Aug 23 07:35:50 Hey, does anyone know how to get dput for osx? Aug 23 07:36:58 konttori: you lucky bastard :p Aug 23 07:37:10 how so? Aug 23 07:38:01 I was just wondering about that so that I won't have to open linux virtual machine just for a few debian commands Aug 23 07:38:09 I'll also need debsign Aug 23 07:38:47 fink doesn't have it? Aug 23 07:39:18 it has dpkg and apt-get atleast Aug 23 07:39:20 not in default at least Aug 23 07:39:21 you have osx Aug 23 07:40:11 download dput sources and build it then :) Aug 23 07:40:13 keesj: ahh. yeah. I love it. Thoroughly recommended. Not looking back to horrible looking pc boxes. mac mini is completely silent and looks terrific. Aug 23 07:40:18 does somebody know why we can not do it inside sbox? Aug 23 07:40:36 (dput stuff) Aug 23 07:40:41 I love my MacBook <3 Aug 23 07:41:21 I think I my next computer migt be a apple Aug 23 07:41:22 Which is weird for me because I love minimalistic WMs too.. dwm <3 Aug 23 07:41:47 * keesj is running wmii as window manager Aug 23 07:42:18 hmm its' the same Aug 23 07:43:08 what's the same? Aug 23 07:43:31 ahh.. I tried apt-get now, but it can't find dput. I suppose it's not provided by fink Aug 23 07:44:02 yeah, thought so.. Aug 23 07:47:50 dwm == wmii Aug 23 07:49:34 It's not. Aug 23 07:49:48 wmii is way too bloated. :) Aug 23 07:50:15 dwm is wmii's little brother, they're not the same. Aug 23 08:01:14 no wifi in nyc subways Aug 23 08:01:56 except for this little bit in 59th street, where you can catch a bit of the parkwifi ssid Aug 23 08:02:12 if you are lucky, it will route to the internet. Aug 23 08:03:03 which was tested with my n800, thus channel related (plus a response to Gigabites) Aug 23 08:03:05 and... Aug 23 08:03:06 <_Monkey> and is xchat same to install Aug 23 08:03:09 http://parkwifi.nokia.com/ Aug 23 08:03:25 _Monkey, forget and Aug 23 08:03:26 <_Monkey> metratron: I forgot and Aug 23 08:07:29 how do new yorkers feel about Guiliani in general? Aug 23 08:08:52 listened to an interview with him and he seems mentally damaged Aug 23 08:52:22 good morning Aug 23 09:00:45 good morning Aug 23 09:14:47 sry Aug 23 09:15:03 i dont know whether iam right here or not Aug 23 09:15:21 can someone help me? Aug 23 09:15:48 hello? Aug 23 09:16:42 hello? Aug 23 09:16:54 i have a problem with my nokia 6280 Aug 23 09:17:16 i cant put it off anymore Aug 23 09:17:33 and tomorrow i will fly with a plane -.- Aug 23 09:17:44 xzu: What makes you think you are in the right channel for that? :) Aug 23 09:18:04 i googled Nokia Irc Aug 23 09:18:26 Hehe, well read the topic... Aug 23 09:18:27 ok this isnt the right channle? Aug 23 09:18:37 my english is very bad Aug 23 09:18:42 But you can always remove your battery? Aug 23 09:18:50 That will turn it off.. Aug 23 09:19:00 mhhh ok Aug 23 09:19:11 so thanks Aug 23 09:19:13 bye Aug 23 09:25:33 pupnik_: are you there? Aug 23 09:36:54 morning Aug 23 09:36:55 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 23 09:37:50 hello, which tool can i use to get photos from my mobile phone to n800 by bluetooth? Aug 23 09:38:13 pello: Just use the filemanager? Aug 23 09:38:13 Turn bt on on the n800 (status bar icon), then just send them from the phone Aug 23 09:38:23 or that :) Aug 23 09:38:48 lardman: http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/liboil/liboil/liboil/arm/math_vfp_asm.S?sortby=file&view=log Aug 23 09:38:58 You have to pair your phone first for that to work though.. Aug 23 09:39:08 ok thanks Aug 23 09:39:45 AD-N770: Ah good, you got it working then. What kind of speed improvement do you get? Aug 23 09:40:56 I want to do more testing before I'll talk about performance improvement, but are faster according oil-test Aug 23 09:41:36 but oil-test uses small vectors and I want test it more to be sure about the improvement Aug 23 09:41:46 You should talk to Siarhei Siamashka of mplayer fame, he's done lots of work optimising ARM asm for that project Aug 23 09:42:13 I know, I wrote some libmpeg2 optimizations :) Aug 23 09:42:37 ah, okay Aug 23 09:43:15 ssvb: what do you think on use vfp to write memcopy ? Aug 23 09:44:18 ssvb: What kinds of memory crunching functions were you thinking about for the DSP? Aug 23 09:53:44 So, now that even psp will get video conferencing, could n800 get it agin as well? http://kotaku.com/gaming/clip/gomessenger-with-fancy-pants-computer-graphics-292548.php?autoplay=true Aug 23 09:53:59 thanks my photo are successfully uploaded Aug 23 09:54:16 ssvb: thanks for the jpeg out for the mplayer. Great stuff. Aug 23 09:54:22 last question, how can i phone with my mobile phone from the n800? Aug 23 10:00:59 moin Aug 23 10:01:58 pello> rethink your question and ask again Aug 23 10:02:41 pello: gnokii? Aug 23 10:04:37 lardman: yep :) Aug 23 10:04:47 pello: Good good Aug 23 10:06:47 mh, i have plenty of way of phoning with my mobile phone from the n800 Aug 23 10:07:00 one is voip via umts :) Aug 23 10:14:29 Cool, the DSP EAP_* stuff has been added to the wishlist :) hadn't noticed that before Aug 23 10:20:26 argggg phonelink crash Aug 23 10:32:35 :) Aug 23 10:33:51 where is the new fm radio Aug 23 10:34:29 i just used app mgr and clicked updates, new fm radio Aug 23 10:34:39 hmmm Aug 23 10:34:49 not showing here' Aug 23 10:35:00 1.2.0 still Aug 23 10:35:04 you might not have the right reps? Aug 23 10:36:22 which repo is it under Aug 23 10:36:35 i have catalogue Aug 23 10:36:47 which 1.2.0 is in Aug 23 10:37:03 i dunno, i have all reps Aug 23 10:37:14 my fm radio is v 1.4.6 Aug 23 10:38:05 can u check see what repo u got it from Aug 23 10:38:17 i dunno how Aug 23 10:39:39 Hey Aug 23 10:41:05 lo Aug 23 10:43:15 I have a bit of a braindead q Aug 23 10:43:39 o ? Aug 23 10:44:40 I'm tring to get air-crack working, I downloaded pre-compiled cx3110x.ko but where is the org umac.ko locatated on the N800? Aug 23 10:45:12 strange its in the catalogue repo.. Aug 23 10:45:21 but it is not being updated on my device Aug 23 10:45:25 manually i guess Aug 23 10:45:43 the new "dowload a list of radio stations in your area" feature is really cool Aug 23 10:46:06 is your n800 refreshing repos correctly? Aug 23 10:46:23 says it is.. Aug 23 10:46:30 not sure now if it is. Aug 23 10:46:37 i don't get any errors. Aug 23 10:46:39 wtf Aug 23 10:47:38 BOFH139: /lib/modules//kernel/drivers probably Aug 23 10:47:40 or somewhere similar Aug 23 10:47:48 can't you do a locate umac.ko or something ? Aug 23 10:48:17 * Nermal sadly can't get a 770 or afford an n800 so is guessing :| Aug 23 10:48:48 should i be doing apt-get upgrades on my n800? Aug 23 10:49:29 or even apt-get dist-ugrade Aug 23 10:49:30 AD-N770: I did not try to do anything with vfp yet, but memcpy is most likely limited with memory bus throughoutput but not with the type of instuctions that are used, the code should be scheduled so that the memory bus is always doing some transfer (flushing write buffer or prefetching new data), also TRM specifies different types of data transfer: 1 word, 4 words and 8 words, larger data transfer blocks mean faster throughoutput (using aligned LDM/STM) Aug 23 10:49:44 unique311: imo, upgrades are a good thing. They can break things, but usually not.. Aug 23 10:50:01 just check that it doesn't suggest doing anything too wild Aug 23 10:50:07 well i never do them.. Aug 23 10:50:18 the kernel modules are in /mnt/initfs/lib/.. Aug 23 10:50:19 just asking if i should be. Aug 23 10:50:27 I am Aug 23 10:50:32 my application manager seems to be broken. Aug 23 10:50:56 Nermal: I don't have whereis or locate :/ Aug 23 10:51:12 BOFH139: 13:50 < kulve> the kernel modules are in /mnt/initfs/lib/.. Aug 23 10:52:10 ssvb, I'm thinking on use fldmia/fstmia for multireg load/save and not having to stack arm registers Aug 23 10:53:20 ssvb: I wrote some code using vfp for liboil Aug 23 10:53:35 lardman: I meant data crunching as using DSP for performing some computationaly heavy calculations or even the whole decoder while working with 'some input data buffer' -> 'some output data buffer' (via memory mapping) without any access to audio codec or even framebuffer Aug 23 10:54:44 ssvb: I have speex encoder doing that (not with mmap though). And it gets stucked after 30sec-90sec for unknown reason.. Aug 23 10:56:17 AD-N770: both fldmia/fstmia and ldmia/stmia can transfer rather large blocks of data via a single instruction more than enough to keep memory bus busy, but benchmarking may really reveal some interesting details Aug 23 10:56:45 kulve: nothing is perfect, probably you encountered some bug Aug 23 10:58:42 Funktioniert Maemo 3.0/2007 Edition auf dem n770? Aug 23 10:58:55 kulve: for example both 770 and N800 have some (minor) bugs in the framebuffer driver which affect mplayer, but they are probably never triggered from the standard nokia bundled software (xserver) so they were not detected by quality assurance staff Aug 23 10:59:06 kulve: the same probably affects dspgateway Aug 23 11:00:26 ssvb: yeah. The dsp tasks made by nokia seems to be using mmap, so I'll try that next. (I'm not sure about the mmap.. At least they have .cmd file stating something about the memory regions. I haven't yet had the time to study that part.) Aug 23 11:00:44 I consider to buy me a n770. Is that worthwhile itself? Aug 23 11:00:56 if you can get hold of them Aug 23 11:01:02 There is no n770. It's just 770. Aug 23 11:01:08 :P Aug 23 11:01:12 only place I've found them in stock in the uk now is on amazon with the gps navkit for 150 quid Aug 23 11:01:32 which if you consider the navkit is normally 80, isn;t too bad Aug 23 11:01:57 I'm in germany. It cost here 169€.. new. Aug 23 11:02:29 k, i see the problem.. Aug 23 11:03:05 getting gpg errors for catalogue tableteer repo Aug 23 11:03:09 Functions Maemo 3,0 on that 770 (:P)? Aug 23 11:03:37 kikka: not really Aug 23 11:03:57 can anyone help me with the gpg keys for catalogue.tableteer, maemo-hackers, and tuomas.kulve.fi Aug 23 11:04:05 getting gpg errors for those 3 Aug 23 11:04:15 Mhm, what are the differents between maemo 2.0 an Maemo 3.0? Aug 23 11:04:15 you don't have my key probably there.. Aug 23 11:04:24 unique311: but is that really a problem? Aug 23 11:04:32 not sure.. Aug 23 11:04:41 it is for catalogue probably. Aug 23 11:04:42 kikka: maemo3.0 "Bora" is for n800. It has newer software.. Aug 23 11:04:48 its not refreshing. Aug 23 11:04:55 properly. Aug 23 11:05:00 unique. yeh i'm seeing that error myself in my logs Aug 23 11:05:08 had to install fm-radio manually Aug 23 11:05:12 doh... looks like google* is almost unreachable... Aug 23 11:05:19 from Italy at least Aug 23 11:05:22 kulve: Mhm, that's not the problem... I can work with older software. Aug 23 11:05:33 Hi to all Aug 23 11:05:34 3 repos now has gpg errors Aug 23 11:05:50 well thats not the problem then. Aug 23 11:05:51 I think,. i buy an 770. The 800 ist too expensively Aug 23 11:05:56 kikka, it all depends what you think you will get outta it Aug 23 11:06:18 if you are new to the whole IT thing, then the 770 is ok Aug 23 11:06:27 kikka: if you don't want 100% stable stuff, there is a Hacker Edition of the newer stuff for 770 Aug 23 11:06:32 you will get your feet wet, so to speak Aug 23 11:06:39 if Gigabites did the fm-radio update with the gpg errors, then thats not the problem. Aug 23 11:06:52 if you see what the n800 can do better, and you think it's woth the cost, go from there Aug 23 11:07:21 Gigabites, do you have the headphones icon on the fm-radio applet Aug 23 11:07:23 Gigabites, do you have the headphones icon on the fm-radio applet? Aug 23 11:07:35 http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/7987/screenshot01ff8.png Aug 23 11:07:39 I think the 770 is optimally for me. Aug 23 11:07:43 :) Aug 23 11:07:48 mines seem to be MIA Aug 23 11:07:52 unique, my repo list was ok as of this afternoon (west coast US time), just now as I checked i have errors Aug 23 11:08:06 kikka: 770/n800 is perfect for ircin from anywhere :) Aug 23 11:08:10 ircing Aug 23 11:08:27 ssvb: I was wondering if you had something specific in mind? Aug 23 11:08:42 yes, i have headphone icon, speaker icon, it does the download list thing, and it's v1.4.6 Aug 23 11:08:44 ircing? Internet Relay Chat? Aug 23 11:08:48 Anybody know where I can get aireplay for the N800? Aug 23 11:08:51 ssvb: some particular bit of numbercrunching Aug 23 11:09:03 well i have 1.4.6 installed Aug 23 11:09:15 i did like xchat for 770 , if you don't configure it Aug 23 11:09:17 but the 4 icon on the applet is missing in action Aug 23 11:09:29 kikka: jep Aug 23 11:09:39 Mhm, fine. xchat :) Aug 23 11:09:42 kulve: When you look at mmap, see if you can work out what shmem is in the mmapinfo struct in the task struct Aug 23 11:10:18 "what shmem"..? Aug 23 11:10:34 p57 of the dspgateway spec Aug 23 11:11:02 I don't know whether I need to define it, or if it's a global var provided by the dspgateway/bios Aug 23 11:11:30 anywhere with a wifi connection Aug 23 11:13:04 lardman: wild guess: it's global char shmem[0x1000];? Aug 23 11:15:12 @770-users, are you contently with the 770 :D? Aug 23 11:16:58 kikka: I am... I have a N800 as well, but the 770 is still in use. Its nicer to carry around because it has a good cover. Aug 23 11:17:19 florian: Du sprichst doch auch Deutsch? Aug 23 11:17:52 kikka: Ja... Aug 23 11:18:22 lardman: implement some audio decoders (like you and kulve are trying), port some video decoder (libmpeg2 or theora for example), or implement something like xvmc but without using x protocol, and working with dsp tasks directly (accelerate some parts of video decoding such as motion compensation and idct) Aug 23 11:18:26 Ok. :) Aug 23 11:18:49 ssvb: The latter part, do you have some code you want put in a task to test with? Aug 23 11:18:50 Also ich werde mir, auch weil ich als schueler nicht soviel Geld haben (^^''), das 770 kaufen :) Aug 23 11:19:18 and now is ebay turn... Aug 23 11:19:23 kulve: Yes, good idea, I'd expected the shared region to be on the ARM side for some reason. Got to read the docs again Aug 23 11:19:28 something strange going on... Aug 23 11:20:16 ssvb: derf was talking about wanting to try theora on the dsp Aug 23 11:21:14 lardman: hmm.. maybe it's somehow automatically exported since it's told in the dsptask struct? Aug 23 11:21:41 kulve: What you say sounds okay, I think I'll need to set the location of that memory in the .cmd file - something new to try Aug 23 11:22:04 kulve: So that it's in shared SDRAM Aug 23 11:22:31 lardman: yeah, that's probably required. Please let me know, if you make any progress on that :) Aug 23 11:22:37 I'll just cut'n'paste it then :) Aug 23 11:22:38 lardman: that's great, btw access to the framebuffer from dsp is not needed at all, color conversion and scaling can be done by ARM core quite efficiently Aug 23 11:24:09 kulve: I'll have some time on Sunday/Monday/Tuesday (Bank holiday) so I'll try it then Aug 23 11:24:31 kulve: I need to copy the slab alloc code from speex first of all Aug 23 11:25:03 ssvb: Yep, it would be interesting to know why Nokia dropped framebuffer writing dsptasks though Aug 23 11:25:45 Right, got to pop out, bbl Aug 23 11:26:35 kulve, lardman: some interesting example is dspfbsink for nokia 770, it moves some frame data into a shared memory and makes DSP scale and display it, it would be probably impossible to do that fast without shared memory mapping between arm and dsp Aug 23 11:27:28 lardman: probably because nokia thinks that dsp in N800 is not good for video (it runs at 220Mhz, right?) Aug 23 11:27:32 ssvb: is the source for that somewhere? Aug 23 11:29:14 kulve: maybe in mistral repository, this dsp task is not used on N800 anymore Aug 23 11:29:34 sources too? Not just some binary blob? Aug 23 11:29:40 on the dsp side Aug 23 11:29:59 kulve: that's the source of gstreamer part of the bundle, dsp task is still closed source Aug 23 11:30:24 I think the dsp side would be more interesting.. On ARM side it's just mmap() Aug 23 11:30:45 mmap() + write() Aug 23 11:34:16 Mhm, there are many go software for 770... nice :-) Aug 23 11:37:40 kulve: that dspfbsink is just a good proof that dsp<->arm communication via mapping is fast enough to handle video frames data in real time Aug 23 11:38:10 ssvb: hmm.. Aug 23 11:38:24 ssvb: Maybe I'll do some measurements if I get it working Aug 23 11:38:46 we had some latency issues some years ago when we tested on omap1510 dev board Aug 23 11:38:52 but I think we didn't use mmap then Aug 23 11:39:28 on the other hand the latency wasn't about the data amount, but the time it took to transfer a byte there and back. And that needs to be done with mmap too Aug 23 11:39:30 kulve: so we can probably do video decoding on dsp and color conversion with video output on arm, yes benchmarks would be quite interesting Aug 23 11:40:43 kulve: do you remember some numbers for arm -> dsp -> arm turnaround time? Aug 23 11:41:17 it took some milliseconds. And we were encoden 20ms audio frames, so it was quite big percentage. Aug 23 11:41:36 but we could have had some bugs there. And the dspgw has improved since then Aug 23 11:41:48 kulve: for video it would really need to be order of magnitude lower than interval between frames Aug 23 11:42:18 well, I think it's not that bad anymore (hopefully) Aug 23 11:42:50 I could try to drop the speex encode from my current task and just copy the 20ms data there and back and see how long it takes Aug 23 11:44:36 kulve: even if this time is bad, hopefully only the thread communicating with dsp is blocked and other threads are free to use cpu Aug 23 12:02:28 mh, strange Aug 23 12:02:58 if i doubleclick some file in the n800 filebrowser, then the associated application starts but does not open the doubleclicked file Aug 23 12:03:19 buggy application Aug 23 12:03:20 just happend with a .pdf file, doubleclicked it, evince started, but with no file opened Aug 23 12:03:52 hmm.. I think people have that working with evince Aug 23 12:03:53 same happened with mp3's when i had kmplayer installed which then got launched instead of the shipped mediaplayer Aug 23 12:28:50 anyone used a celluon laserkey bluetooth keyboard? Aug 23 12:36:52 in fact, is there a good bluetooth keyboard we like? projector is good but not necessary. Aug 23 13:03:35 Doom on 770? -__- Aug 23 13:09:56 kikka: doom1 runs just fine.. Aug 23 13:10:57 hm.. amarok? is there any amarok on 770? Or something else? MPlayer? Aug 23 13:11:10 can we get source for dspfbsink for 770 Aug 23 13:11:49 oh sry Aug 23 13:11:53 kikka: amarok is quite big, and its a Qt app,... which is KDE, the Hildon DE on a 770 is a part-project of Gnome Aug 23 13:11:59 pupnik: sorry for what? Aug 23 13:12:31 erstazi: Okay :) Aug 23 13:13:18 kikka yes mplayer Aug 23 13:13:24 i am very zufrieden with my 770 Aug 23 13:13:33 Ah, cool. :) Aug 23 13:13:36 kikka you know linux? Aug 23 13:13:41 Are emacs and vim usable using a Bluetooth keyboard? Aug 23 13:13:48 yes Aug 23 13:14:03 Tybor: I use vi and nano without a keyboard Aug 23 13:14:12 wrong kind of question , it depends on who you ask Aug 23 13:14:40 hello DaniloCesar Aug 23 13:14:51 I've heard they have problems with esc or ctrl or alt keys Aug 23 13:14:54 hi Aug 23 13:14:55 <_Monkey> hello, DaniloCesar Aug 23 13:15:06 Tybor: ah, that depends Aug 23 13:15:19 my thinkoutside stowaway bt keyboard has no problems Aug 23 13:15:22 erstazi, on what? Aug 23 13:15:46 busybox vi has bugs though so for serious editing install real vim Aug 23 13:15:51 Tybor: on how much you want to load a whole operating system on your nokia (emacs) haha just playing (: Aug 23 13:16:32 erstazi, oh no worries: I loaded linux on Amigas, on low-end iBooks, on Psion 5mx. So I'm used to tight spaces Aug 23 13:16:52 Tybor: heh, I am just playing though Aug 23 13:16:56 emacs, a great operating system abstraction layer :-) Aug 23 13:16:58 erstazi, does such keyboard allow sequenses like ALT-CTRL-%? Aug 23 13:17:19 Tybor: I have seen many that do, I do not use a keyboard, for serious typing on my nokia, I just ssh Aug 23 13:17:44 ok thanks! Aug 23 13:17:46 I really love the hackers osso-xterm in combo with irssi, the few buttons make it really healthy to work with Aug 23 13:17:52 got to go... happy hacking Aug 23 13:18:18 perhaps that for emacs you can map those keys to C-x stuff Aug 23 13:23:24 Hi to all ... I'm trying to update my maemo sdk from 3.1 to 3.2 so I try to follow this instruction http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.2/INSTALL.txt but apt-get dist-upgrade tell me the the is not upgrade. Can anyone help me? Aug 23 13:24:21 "the the is not upgrade"? iirc, there's not much to upgrade.. Aug 23 13:24:46 something ofc, but not much Aug 23 13:24:58 kulve: from 3.1 to 3.2 something to upgrade must to be Aug 23 13:25:32 atp-get tell me no upgrade ... :( Aug 23 13:26:15 mk8: did you update your sources.list? Aug 23 13:26:30 s/update/change/ Aug 23 13:26:30 erstazi meant: mk8: did you change your sources.list? Aug 23 13:26:45 I remove all the old lines (I comment it of course) and insert the line that the installer told me Aug 23 13:27:44 ok Aug 23 13:29:09 did you run apt-get update? Aug 23 13:29:39 from scratchbox. Both x86 and ARMEL enironment Aug 23 13:29:44 can i connect from ubuntu feisty to maemo? Aug 23 13:29:57 kikka: what kind of connection? Aug 23 13:29:58 s/enironment/snvironment Aug 23 13:30:08 s/snvironment/environment Aug 23 13:30:31 mk8 i do know an answer Aug 23 13:30:50 maemo is the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets Aug 23 13:30:52 kikka: what kind of connection? <- usb, bluetooth. Aug 23 13:31:10 kikka: with usb at least Aug 23 13:31:14 you can connect to the 770 tablet via ssh and vnc for example Aug 23 13:31:51 Mhm... Datatranfer -> scp? Aug 23 13:31:52 yes also you can transfer files via usb Aug 23 13:32:01 Ok. :D Aug 23 13:32:06 kikka: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/ Aug 23 13:32:13 pupnik: do you use a bluetooth keyboard? Aug 23 13:32:18 yes Aug 23 13:32:26 which one? Aug 23 13:32:35 thinkoutside stowaway Aug 23 13:32:48 i'm thinking about getting one... Aug 23 13:32:56 * rik googles. Aug 23 13:33:03 pupnik, on your 770? Aug 23 13:33:07 oh. do you lke it? Aug 23 13:33:33 yes but mostly i chat and do unix commands with it - no programming Aug 23 13:34:19 thinkouside sierra has number row Aug 23 13:34:21 would it be awkward for programming then? Aug 23 13:35:02 you need to get used to function-key combinations for the 4th row Aug 23 13:35:28 like most modern laptops Aug 23 13:35:48 kikka: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtosetupusbnetworkingdebian/ <- Thanks. Aug 23 13:36:16 < kikka> kikka: np :) Aug 23 13:36:34 oh no, bottom posting in irc Aug 23 13:37:48 hmm. thanks. Aug 23 13:40:05 pupnik: iGo Stowaway BT Keyboard or iGo Stowaway Ultra-Slim BT Keyboard? Aug 23 13:45:09 don't know Aug 23 13:46:26 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823203005 Aug 23 13:46:29 that looks nice Aug 23 14:03:47 ssvb, kulve: I'll take a look at the gstreamer part of that task, the audio sinks also do mmap - I was looking at dsppcmsink Aug 23 14:04:05 dis55 infact Aug 23 14:06:33 * pupnik imagines opengl on DSP Aug 23 14:06:42 in userspace :P Aug 23 14:09:08 opengl using the powervr mbx is more like it Aug 23 14:09:35 not for 770 :) Aug 23 14:09:51 ah, true Aug 23 14:09:53 did i really see some progress on the powervr driver situation Aug 23 14:09:58 nor for the n800 ;) Aug 23 14:10:10 but i am being silly - ogg decoding will save about 10-12% ARM cpu Aug 23 14:10:31 i remember seeing some links yesterday in a ps1 emulator thread, but did not click them as it already was way too late Aug 23 14:10:33 greygusb: There's a 2.6.x kernel driver (wrong version kernel) and opengl tarball somewhere on the Ti site Aug 23 14:10:42 on itt? Aug 23 14:10:57 yes Aug 23 14:11:06 one sec, i'll have a lok again Aug 23 14:11:10 lardman: it is under the 'gaming' section Aug 23 14:11:10 * lardman fires up a browser Aug 23 14:11:17 sorry greygusb Aug 23 14:11:43 np, i just saw them and thought i have to have a look today Aug 23 14:11:49 of course i forgot :) Aug 23 14:12:37 it might theoretically be possible to run the GPU renderer on the DSP Aug 23 14:12:59 or the SPU Aug 23 14:13:05 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=70570&postcount=48 Aug 23 14:13:31 but there are a lot of synchronisation issues Aug 23 14:13:31 interesting, sign up to the newletter with an option to notify about n800 drivers. That wasn't there when I signed up Aug 23 14:14:11 but it would be easier than say running the SNES PPU on DSP Aug 23 14:14:14 lardman: it's been there quite awhile and I haven't received a single mail there.. Aug 23 14:14:16 that would be practically impossible Aug 23 14:14:40 re Aug 23 14:15:41 kulve: Well it's a step in the right direction hey? Aug 23 14:16:02 pupnik: What's the PPU? Aug 23 14:16:46 thats what i thought, the last time i checked the powervr issue all that was visible was some strange pepperpad drivers ... Aug 23 14:17:16 they've been around for ages, different processor though Aug 23 14:18:15 'Pixel Processing Unit' - the device that does the sprites and layers and raster effects on SNES. It is the most expensive part of snes emulation. Aug 23 14:18:18 yes, but compared to that for me now something has improved, information wise. not much, but someething. thats all i wanted to say ;) Aug 23 14:19:52 next-gen iphone-like user interfaces would also benefit from openGL - even if just for 2D scaling and layering Aug 23 14:20:19 pupnik: Where there;s a will there's a way, I'm sure you could get the PPU running on there if you really wanted to Aug 23 14:20:59 yes, a very smart dedicated person with maybe 1 year time :) Aug 23 14:21:27 the psx GPU is much more decoupled from cpu Aug 23 14:21:56 I guess it depends on how the commands are sent to it Aug 23 14:22:15 on SNES they need to be clock synced Aug 23 14:22:25 whether you'd have to emulate the pipelines, etc., or if you could handle it at a higher level Aug 23 14:22:27 doen't it mkae more sense to just port some native linux games to the device, i mean there are tons of them, and many don;t need 3d at all Aug 23 14:22:27 no clean API Aug 23 14:22:39 well that's not the end of the world, as the CPU part it emulated too Aug 23 14:22:50 greygusb: see http://pupnik.de for games :) Aug 23 14:22:54 www.happypenguin.org is a great source, in case you don't know the page - its a time killer ;) Aug 23 14:23:19 i have a long list of tasks if you want to work on any of them Aug 23 14:23:29 Anyway, gf just turned up, time to go. I'll be back after the weekend, and hacking on the Tremor/mmap problem to see where it goes Aug 23 14:23:36 have a nice weekend all Aug 23 14:23:36 cheers! awesome Aug 23 14:23:37 bye Aug 23 14:24:26 pupnik: I'm not much of a coder (only perl/php and other interpreted stuff). If you need artwork or storylines though, just ask ;) Aug 23 14:25:37 there is a kind-of boring artwork job. Secret Maryo Chronicles 0.97 needs bitmaps/sprites from the 1.0 version converted to it Aug 23 14:25:42 because 1.0 uses openGL Aug 23 14:26:12 but i can do this - it's just processing Aug 23 14:26:32 mh, converting, i was more talking about painting/designing ;) Aug 23 14:27:09 do you have skills to do low-res pixel pushing for icons/sprites? like 20x20 sprites? Aug 23 14:27:13 did graffitti art some years ago, so comic like grafics are no problem ;) Aug 23 14:27:18 ah ok Aug 23 14:27:22 mh, icons you mean? Aug 23 14:27:30 not much experience, more bigger stuff Aug 23 14:27:59 i think I'd take longer than somebody who regulary does it to et usefull results Aug 23 14:29:04 but yeah, something i'd try. Depends on how much of course, I'd not like to do the whole KDE icon set once more, but 10 - 20 should be fine ;) Aug 23 14:30:35 mh, i should not install the frodo emulator - i should not install the frodo .... too late Aug 23 14:30:40 * greygusb is now busy Aug 23 14:31:02 frodo needs a 2x screen scaler mode - also frodo authors are slowly writing a SDL config frontend Aug 23 14:31:19 i just installed it, will try out later when at home Aug 23 14:31:23 ok :) Aug 23 14:31:47 i think i included a reasonable config for it Aug 23 14:31:56 just love frodo, I'm an old C64 junkie - was my first computer :) Aug 23 14:32:16 great - you give feedback and i will make it better Aug 23 14:32:45 sure, just have to stay at work for at least like 5h or so Aug 23 14:32:59 over the next weeks i mean... Aug 23 14:33:13 i wonder if there is some organized testing for n800 apps, something like testopia or so would be cool Aug 23 14:34:03 are wpa encrypted wifi nets supposed to work out-of-the-box with n800? Aug 23 14:34:22 <||cw> I believe so Aug 23 14:34:52 <||cw> IIRC, even the 770 has WPA support by default Aug 23 14:35:15 i seem to be unable to connect to my fonera accesspoint Aug 23 14:35:23 or moreso to the private part of it Aug 23 14:35:34 I have wpa working home just fine Aug 23 14:35:52 with preshared key or whatever.. Aug 23 14:41:14 mh, anyone knows some vector based drawing tool for n800? Aug 23 14:41:34 can be simple, just for drawing some charts Aug 23 14:41:59 what do you normally use? Aug 23 14:42:32 openoffice Aug 23 14:42:33 <_Monkey> it has been said that openoffice is too big. try abiword and for spreadsheet i think gnumeric is ported Aug 23 14:42:42 not because i like it, its just always installed Aug 23 14:43:25 i have gnumeric and abiword for spreadsheets and documents, i nedd something for simple charts Aug 23 14:44:09 inkscape or karbon14 are others that come to my mind, something like that, can be way more primitive Aug 23 14:44:10 _Monkey: botsnack Aug 23 14:44:11 <_Monkey> thanks Nermal :) Aug 23 14:44:37 greygusb: http://michaels770.blogspot.com/2006/04/dia-drawing-program.html Aug 23 14:45:06 dia - perfect -thanks ! Aug 23 14:46:57 I'll also try sodipodi, should both satisy my needs Aug 23 14:47:13 I already don;t use my macbook anymore ... n800 is enough ... Aug 23 14:47:44 * pupnik points to lonely thinkpad on corner of desk Aug 23 14:47:51 hum Aug 23 14:49:07 I just pray that nokia will add some way of external mionitor connection to the next gen device, that would make me buy it as soon as it appears. Aug 23 14:49:27 for presentations? Aug 23 14:49:43 use a usb -> vga thing ? Aug 23 14:49:51 nope, to have it connected to a big monitor at home Aug 23 14:50:18 a cheap way to do that is run VNCserver on N800 Aug 23 14:50:33 the usb -> vga thing is my approach for now, but quite hackerish, and I'm still not sure the usb port is full usb 2.0 spped capabe Aug 23 14:50:36 greygusb: There is still hope that there actually IS tv-out possible for the N800.. Aug 23 14:50:46 the usb vga driver needs that Aug 23 14:51:21 The N95 has tv-out on it's 4 pin jack. The N800 has the same hardware and that same jack.. Aug 23 14:51:45 madness Aug 23 14:51:48 tv out on a phone Aug 23 14:51:59 Nermal: I even use it ;) Aug 23 14:52:06 :| Aug 23 14:52:12 it's pretty good quality.. Aug 23 14:52:15 i also would use it Aug 23 14:52:15 can you use it to talk to people too ? Aug 23 14:52:21 or have they scrapped that feature Aug 23 14:52:23 Cranky Geeks on tv ;) Aug 23 14:52:24 thats great info, did not hear about the 4 pin thinggy Aug 23 14:52:25 especially if you use it to watch hw decodd 640x480 flicks Aug 23 14:52:35 anyone tried to connect something to it ? Aug 23 14:52:46 greygusb: That doesn't do anything.. Aug 23 14:52:51 Needs driver support.. Aug 23 14:53:02 i see Aug 23 14:53:10 But even then it is not sure that the hardware is connected. Aug 23 14:53:15 mh, maybe same amoutn of work as getting usb-vga working Aug 23 14:53:32 there is a driver for sis based usb-vga devices Aug 23 14:53:37 greygusb: Just export your display? Or use vnc.. That is the easy way.. Aug 23 14:54:00 greygusb: http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/N800_Schematics.pdf maybe ? Aug 23 14:54:15 however, needs full speed usb2.0 and its kernel and X driver. so i assume you have to patch the kernel, patch the mutated x and so on Aug 23 14:54:47 which tool do you use to browse samba/NT shares ? Aug 23 14:54:57 oh, wow. nice schematics Aug 23 14:56:25 oops- big "company confidential" on it :| Aug 23 14:57:09 ups, i only read "customer care" lol Aug 23 14:57:35 I already have forgotten the url and never seen any pdf about nokia things - what are we talking about ? Aug 23 14:57:54 cats Aug 23 14:59:03 of course Aug 23 15:30:26 heh you can just run xmkmf from the host side of sb :P Aug 23 15:33:48 does anyone know where to find the Python2.4 binary for Maemo? Aug 23 15:34:09 or how to install python2.4.2 by scratch on the n800? Aug 23 15:34:30 apt-cache search python Aug 23 15:34:55 python? Aug 23 15:34:55 <_Monkey> i heard python was at pymaemo.garage.maemo.org! Aug 23 15:35:05 it is, but they have the 2.5 version Aug 23 15:35:14 something that is incompatible with my usb driver Aug 23 15:35:28 in gregale i see 2.4 and 2.5 Aug 23 15:35:46 package = python2.4 Aug 23 15:36:03 gregale is something like apt-get? Aug 23 15:36:24 apt-cache returns with only 2.5 Aug 23 15:38:50 pupnik, where can I get said gregale to download 2.4.2 Aug 23 15:38:51 ? Aug 23 15:39:13 gregale is a version of maemo Aug 23 15:39:24 oh Aug 23 15:39:39 so if apt-cache search only returns python2.5 you may have to search for 2.4 Aug 23 15:39:55 via apt-get? Aug 23 15:39:59 err apt-cache Aug 23 15:40:46 anyone here understand svn:mime-type? Aug 23 15:43:20 manually search BenSw - did that pymaemo link help? Aug 23 15:43:48 which link? Aug 23 15:45:52 ok, found a link for it Aug 23 15:45:58 installing via application manager Aug 23 15:46:11 uh oh Aug 23 15:46:13 getting this error Aug 23 15:46:30 "Unable to install. Application package is incompatible with current software" Aug 23 15:47:34 thoughts? Aug 23 15:49:42 pupnik, any ideas? Aug 23 15:52:51 BenSw: you can install with dpkg -i packagename.deb Aug 23 15:53:00 ok Aug 23 15:53:04 the error means the package was not made for your OS Aug 23 15:53:11 hmm Aug 23 15:53:13 but an older python might work also -- *might* Aug 23 15:54:33 http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/pymaemo/pymaemo-runtime_1.1-1_arm.deb?download Aug 23 15:54:34 Morning everyone Aug 23 15:54:57 oops Aug 23 15:55:00 I tried to install a couple of packages from garage and suceeded, but when I uninstalled them, the software still shows up in the menu Aug 23 15:55:13 dpkg: status database area is locked by another process Aug 23 15:55:16 thats what i meant to say Aug 23 15:55:54 BenSw, that happened to me yesterday, I had to reboot the tablet in order to even get the list of packages installed Aug 23 15:56:00 ok Aug 23 15:58:41 yeah, does not match system Aug 23 15:58:50 dpkg: error processing pymaemo-runtime_1.1-1_arm.deb (--install): Aug 23 15:58:50 package architecture (arm) does not match system (armel) Aug 23 16:00:36 do you know of a version of pymaemo 1.1.1 or python 2.4.2 that was created for n800 Aug 23 16:00:56 i have a feeling that this one was out only for the n770, and when the n800 came out python2.5.1 was out already Aug 23 16:08:34 BenSw: any arm binary will not run - you need armel Aug 23 16:08:49 it2005 = arm... do not use Aug 23 16:09:16 it2006 = armel, will usually run on it2007 (N800) Aug 23 16:10:42 BenSw: what "usb driver" do you want to use? Aug 23 16:14:14 BenSw: ? Aug 23 16:17:28 sorry Aug 23 16:17:31 was out for a second Aug 23 16:17:44 one that I have made myself using pyusb and a special version of libusb Aug 23 16:17:54 controls a compass that I have made Aug 23 16:18:39 and why can't you use 2.5 with it? Aug 23 16:19:01 it wont run under 2.5 Aug 23 16:19:25 it was built specifically for 2.4 and we have been able to get it to run only under 2.4 Aug 23 16:22:39 hmm Aug 23 16:23:22 when I try to install by hand it says I dont have g++.... whats the easiest way to get that? Aug 23 16:23:39 and you can't build pyusb against 2.5? Aug 23 16:24:43 I don't think that is the point... the code will only work under 2.4 by using the special libusb that was created for 2.4 Aug 23 16:25:20 When I talked to the guy who created it and suggested running it under 2.5 he blew up and said "IT MUST BE RUN UNDER 2.4" Aug 23 16:26:15 doesn't sound right Aug 23 16:26:44 libusb is just a library, it is independent of the python version Aug 23 16:27:16 I know it doesn't sound right, but considering that we have to get 2.4 to run, what is the easiest way to do that Aug 23 16:27:34 When I try to manually install it fails because it doenst have g++ Aug 23 16:27:35 maybe he talked about the python wrapper Aug 23 16:33:28 BenSw, are you sure he was not mentionning a 2.4 kernel ? with may be specific usb related entry in /proc or soemthing ? Aug 23 16:34:03 because there are no python feature that are 2.4 and below only that i have heard of? Aug 23 16:42:03 how is everyone? Aug 23 16:51:50 morning erstazi, pretty good Aug 23 17:16:48 what's the correct/easy way to rearrange menu shortcuts? Aug 23 17:17:06 pupnik, I just edit the %gconf.xml file Aug 23 17:18:51 there are very many gconf.xml files Aug 23 17:18:54 according to find Aug 23 17:20:29 hi guys, was wondering if anyone could help me with booting from my mmc card? Aug 23 17:21:32 multiboot? Aug 23 17:21:33 <_Monkey> i guess multiboot is "LILO supreme being - 5th element - protect *you*" http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Partition_your_MMC_card Aug 23 17:22:32 pupnik: ~/.osso/menu/%gconf.xml Aug 23 17:22:35 thats on OS2006 Aug 23 17:22:38 thanks, i'm actually working from that guide, I'm right near the end but it won't let me download 'tar' Aug 23 17:22:44 thanks erstazi ! Aug 23 17:22:56 that *should* be correct but its off the top of my head Aug 23 17:23:02 hi user__ Aug 23 17:23:23 hi Aug 23 17:23:26 the following packages have unmet dependencies: busybox: conflicts: tar Aug 23 17:23:27 how are you? Aug 23 17:23:28 osso-applet-languageregional-l10n-mr0: depends Aug 23 17:23:29 hmm i have .osso/menus/ but no gconf Aug 23 17:23:30 osso-applet-languageregional-l10-es but it is not installable. Aug 23 17:23:41 pupnik: ls -al Aug 23 17:23:52 maybe its somewhere else... let me verify Aug 23 17:24:00 I can't find the repositories for those files Aug 23 17:25:08 pupnik: I was wrong, its ~/.osso/menus/applications.menu Aug 23 17:25:14 which is xml based still Aug 23 17:25:20 I found this link containing similar files, but i don't know how to add it to my catalogue: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/mistral/maemo-packages--2.0.html Aug 23 17:25:27 got it - thanks Aug 23 17:25:31 no problem Aug 23 17:25:41 hard to read :/ Aug 23 17:25:47 pupnik: the real annoying part about it is, it single lined ): Aug 23 17:26:00 and every time I add new lines, it collapses it again Aug 23 17:26:16 brb loo Aug 23 17:28:23 ok back Aug 23 17:28:34 hi pleemans, zwnj Aug 23 17:29:20 hi erstazi Aug 23 17:29:42 Hi. Aug 23 17:44:19 re Aug 23 17:50:53 hey @ all =) Aug 23 17:50:56 can somebody help me?=D on this site here: www.pennergame.de/ref.php?uid=12183 Aug 23 17:50:58 thanks =)) Aug 23 17:56:52 argh, probably another one of these "luring into clicking" things. Aug 23 17:56:58 "bum game"? Aug 23 17:57:04 * nomis refuses to click. Aug 23 18:03:09 help! i cannot find the default *lock code*. i just installed 2007.4, but i cannot lock device... any idea? Aug 23 18:04:25 zwnj: it's your wireless' card MAC address Aug 23 18:04:42 Protocol-: oh, thanks Aug 23 18:06:37 Protocol-: the lock code entry panel doesn't have anyway to input hex letters Aug 23 18:09:46 * timelE61i waits to see who will notice... Aug 23 18:09:51 hi gil Aug 23 18:10:51 hi timelE61i - oh my, how many identities inside the same avatar! Aug 23 18:12:26 * timelE61i futily puzzles that statement Aug 23 18:13:53 Yo no puede traducir. Aug 23 18:15:49 timelE61i: does your OS support poetry libraries? Aug 23 18:16:28 i edit applications menu and it always breaks Aug 23 18:16:44 results in no menu Aug 23 18:18:19 does it require a reboot? Aug 23 18:19:02 if you mean the s60 that runs on this phone. Yo no se. Aug 23 18:19:38 ok, i'm hungry, it's after 9, where do i go? Aug 23 18:19:41 pupnik: do you mean via control panel "Navigation"? Aug 23 18:19:53 yo quiero taco bell? Aug 23 18:19:54 no i am editing applications.menu in ~/.osso/menus Aug 23 18:20:13 eww Aug 23 18:20:15 timelE61i: in fact I was talking about your brain :) Aug 23 18:20:17 restoring from a backup restores the menu, so i doubt it's a reboot problem Aug 23 18:20:56 it'd be nice if vim could do some prettyformating of xml Aug 23 18:21:48 Qgil: very limited. Por que tu dices este pregunta? Aug 23 18:22:31 timelE61i: because each time I play with language in a non-dictionary way get a remark from you :) Aug 23 18:23:26 lik gdb flags :P Aug 23 18:23:29 * timelE61i puzzles Aug 23 18:24:09 timelE61i: btw, yesterday you came to visit but... Aug 23 18:24:25 timelE61i: and btw tomorrow I will deliver list of products and components changing, as agreed Aug 23 18:24:26 Yeah, i grabbed the shirt and sent it Aug 23 18:24:43 it'll be blogged tomorrow Aug 23 18:24:58 * qgil sighs because these days everybody coming to visit him just want a maemo t-shirt :'-( Aug 23 18:25:18 you agreed! Aug 23 18:25:30 timelE61i: but still ;) Aug 23 18:25:46 i'm afew weeks late on that promise Aug 23 18:26:15 esp. Since it still needs to travel by post Aug 23 18:26:25 * qgil in facts want to get as many visits as shirts remaining so he can get rid of the boxes Aug 23 18:27:25 well, you were busy, so i didn't want to interrupt... Anyway, we think we found people to fix tableteer.nokia.com Aug 23 18:27:32 btw guys & grrls, we have some maemo t-shirts like http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/375 - any small idea not bringing (me) much thought/work is welcome Aug 23 18:28:02 i'll gladly take a half dozen for future distribution Aug 23 18:28:17 approved. next. Aug 23 18:28:17 prettyxml for vim http://www.vim.org/tips/tip.php?tip_id=1366 Aug 23 18:28:27 Heh Aug 23 18:29:36 i'll also drag my neighbors tomorrow to get them to take theirs, but i presume those are already budgetted Aug 23 18:30:27 if Jonna wouldn't be on holidays I she would already made a call like with previous non-digital stuff distributed Aug 23 18:31:27 * timelE61i tosses a parser warning and moves on Aug 23 18:31:43 yeah, I saw it Aug 23 18:32:00 timelE61i: what was your sb2 patch about? I've lost it Aug 23 18:32:46 erstazi: see that prettyxml link - it helped me edit menu without breaking it Aug 23 18:34:11 calling some parsing fn that takes a non const w/ a const pointer Aug 23 18:34:52 i can dig it up again later Aug 23 18:35:14 hmm, I should clean things up some more I think Aug 23 18:35:34 I'm currently slightly lost a few blocks from home/work Aug 23 18:35:42 fast poll: would be fair to offer maemo shirts to those helping *tonight* leaving http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ empty? If you agree I will post here the basic rules of the game - no further distribution, only this chat room Aug 23 18:35:53 last time I decided to clean a little bit I managed to throw away a couple hundred lines of crap Aug 23 18:36:49 qgil: i generally support such things Aug 23 18:36:51 helping tonight? what does that mean? is there a party I'm missing somewhere? Aug 23 18:37:07 online WikiEdit party Aug 23 18:37:32 oh Aug 23 18:37:49 if bugs.maemo had more bugs, i'd suggest rewarding triagers. But it doesn't and i'm whacking it sunday anyway Aug 23 18:38:31 Nokia employees don't count in the poll :P Aug 23 18:38:50 lol Aug 23 18:39:14 we don't need the shirts either. C.f. Qgil ;-p Aug 23 18:40:28 so, if I get 10 ok's to a tshirts 4 WikiEdits party, then let's start it. If not, then no problem Aug 23 18:41:02 delivered at home for free Aug 23 18:41:31 you should post that to ask slashdot Aug 23 18:42:51 dear cmdr taco, how do you get your community to take out the trash? Aug 23 18:43:07 a. We don't, we use a firehose Aug 23 18:43:23 (I'm secretly polling how many of the 222 people in room are idle) Aug 23 18:43:35 they're all zombies Aug 23 18:43:38 b. Trash is an endagered species and should be protected Aug 23 18:44:01 it's something like 180-190 i think Aug 23 18:44:19 dolske isn't a zombie but he missed the shirt offer Aug 23 18:44:40 did somebody mention free maemo t shirt ? :) Aug 23 18:44:48 what shirt offer? Aug 23 18:44:51 haha Aug 23 18:45:01 qgil: heya Aug 23 18:45:10 :) Aug 23 18:45:49 braaaaaains Aug 23 18:45:56 help leaving empty http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ and you'll get a free maemo shirt delivered at home (with some conditions) Aug 23 18:45:59 qgil: maybe you should edit the offer to all the wiki pages that need fixing? then whoever removes the offer from the page automatically qualifies Aug 23 18:46:00 to be fair, you should topic the question Aug 23 18:46:34 quite an impressing list Aug 23 18:46:42 yes it is Aug 23 18:46:47 lle2 good idea, pity that to solve a problem of 10 hours I should invest 5 more ;) Aug 23 18:46:57 qgil: I think it would be fair.. =) Aug 23 18:46:58 is Midgard CMS like mediawiki? Aug 23 18:47:14 MoRpHeUz: you say ok, 9 left Aug 23 18:47:26 Ahh, good old d0bfd0be2dd180d183d181d181d0bad0b8. Sounds like a timeless filename. :P Aug 23 18:47:42 I'm not talking about EDITING pages, I'm talking about triaging the orphans Aug 23 18:47:49 yes Aug 23 18:48:29 9 "OK" more and I explain the basic rules of the game Aug 23 18:48:29 that list depressed me Aug 23 18:48:43 qgil: when you say triage you mean deleting "old" content and keep the ones that deserves to ? Aug 23 18:48:57 "A process in which things are ranked in terms of importance or priority" Aug 23 18:48:58 ? Aug 23 18:48:59 and probably making sure those get linked to from the correct place? Aug 23 18:49:14 ok, got the point ^^^ Aug 23 18:49:15 =) Aug 23 18:49:23 and categorized? Aug 23 18:49:29 qgil: at what time this will happen ? Aug 23 18:49:39 I'd vote for just nuking them, if nobody could access them, they are not worth the trouble Aug 23 18:49:41 basically I say deleting what is useless for sure, linking the definitely useful at and the rest at the corresponding section of http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ Aug 23 18:49:53 qgil it looks that all the nodes of the orphan tree are listed...woudl it not be easier to have only the root of the orphaned tree listed ? Aug 23 18:50:16 the content of the pages itself doesn't need to be touvhed - much better if you do but tonight the challenge would be to get rid of the orphans and the (nowadays) trash Aug 23 18:50:18 oh right Aug 23 18:50:19 question about wiki Aug 23 18:50:47 how does one search it? Aug 23 18:50:52 qgil: tonight...what time at which time zone ? Aug 23 18:50:53 =) Aug 23 18:51:25 timelE61i: there is a search box on the top right Aug 23 18:52:16 * timelE61i tries searching for "reorganization" Aug 23 18:52:16 MoRpHeUz: the party starts as soon as I get 1+9 OKs - tomorrow morning I will see if the list is empty and who helped Aug 23 18:53:41 sounds like trying to assemble a raiding party in some online time-wasting game Aug 23 18:53:42 melmoth: I think I don't get your question about the orphans and the tree Aug 23 18:53:47 . . . Slowly . . . Over 3g Aug 23 18:54:04 then i dont get the goal :) I though it was detecting orphan pages. Aug 23 18:54:09 you waste your time and you get a maemo t-shirt Aug 23 18:54:25 but several page listed are actually linked each to the others. Aug 23 18:54:35 they are detected, and we need to find either a mother or a trash bin Aug 23 18:54:41 for all of them Aug 23 18:55:27 qgil: reorganisation .. No pages Aug 23 18:55:32 qgil: ok.. =) Aug 23 18:55:33 I can start from the bottom and work on the way up Aug 23 18:55:35 melmoth: these islands are not ehlpful at the moment, I want them to have them either in the wiki main page (the good content) or in the WikiReorg (the dubious/conflictive) or in the trash bin (all the rest i.e. all the QuimGil - like pages) Aug 23 18:55:59 just cast them to a gobject and free it Aug 23 18:56:00 I can see some need to be reorganized and trashed Aug 23 18:56:03 yep, but it would help having a list of only the root, to be able to, like move a whole subtree. Aug 23 18:56:05 qgil: reorganization .. 3 old pages Aug 23 18:56:16 i m thinking at several french pages that appears Aug 23 18:56:29 qgil: expected results: page about bugs.maemo.org Aug 23 18:56:44 erstazi: counting your OK we have 8 left Aug 23 18:56:53 they seems to be all belonging to the same french subtree (root being most probably https://maemo.org/community/wiki/paged-accueil/) Aug 23 18:57:19 if a french page is good goes to Reorg, if it's trash goes to trash bin Aug 23 18:57:45 how is anybody supposed to know if it's any good? Aug 23 18:57:54 timelE61i: have you found "reorgani*ation" in any page other than these? Aug 23 18:58:13 if you are not sure you list it where appropriate in WikiReorg Aug 23 18:58:26 wikipages...phear da judgment day :-) Aug 23 18:58:28 qgil: i'm pretty sure it's in the wiki cleanup and bugs maemo pages Aug 23 18:58:34 shouldn't that be WikiRevolution Aug 23 18:59:43 hum, it sems the spider is not spidering as often as it should Aug 23 18:59:53 qgil: root problem: i knew we had a page about bugs.maemo Aug 23 19:00:05 but i couldn't find it Aug 23 19:00:32 thankfully after i gave up, i happened to spot it linked from the main page Aug 23 19:00:53 melmoth: do I count you or not? Aug 23 19:01:27 timelE61i: that is the missing sitemap. I know it's old fashion Aug 23 19:01:32 nope, i may help if i have time, but i use ot go to bed at tenish (in 59 mn) Aug 23 19:01:36 so it sort of short. Aug 23 19:02:15 anyway, i'm trodging or trodding home, i'll attack pages using ethernet/dsl. 3g isn't good for wiki cleanup Aug 23 19:02:21 delete 10 obvious pages and you get a shirt (i.e. MyName pages) Aug 23 19:02:28 keesj: i don't understand Aug 23 19:02:33 qgil: is there documentation (very little of what I found) for Midgard CMS? Aug 23 19:02:38 qgil: how about having an online store with products from maemo (like tshirts, etc...) to support the community/events ? Aug 23 19:03:08 we could also sell wiki pages there Aug 23 19:03:09 you where not able to finds bugs.maemo.org. but never mind I just joined and did not read the full story Aug 23 19:03:12 Qgil: anyway, "z" flavor is in bugsmaemo page Aug 23 19:03:38 erstazi: this? http://www.midgard-project.org/documentation/ or are you asking about the maemo.org site specifically? Aug 23 19:04:00 lle2: =P Aug 23 19:04:20 qgil: well, the former, I am familiar with mediawiki and the likes but not this, thank you Aug 23 19:04:22 keesj: i take it that you now understand my problem? Aug 23 19:04:23 MoRpHeUz: I'm still asking someone to tell me how to donate the SoC money for community activity and nobody seems to bother/dare Aug 23 19:04:56 qgil: nobody == somebody at nokia ? Aug 23 19:05:13 @maemo.org, silly.... Aug 23 19:05:20 qgil: where do you list pages that you think are not enough /irrevelant and should be removed ? Aug 23 19:05:33 I asked in the lists twice or three time, in maemo-developers Aug 23 19:05:51 timelE61i, qgil: missed that thread.... =/ Aug 23 19:05:56 anyone know where to get the "new" os07 theme for 06 version on 770? Aug 23 19:05:58 melmoth: i think we trust you to kill them Aug 23 19:06:03 heh Aug 23 19:06:08 the black one, black/blue Aug 23 19:06:24 melmoth: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ Aug 23 19:06:25 or isnt it possible? Aug 23 19:06:34 Adria? Aug 23 19:06:37 yes Aug 23 19:06:42 adria rulz Aug 23 19:06:51 someone could repackage it Aug 23 19:07:06 i have one of it, but it doesnt work Aug 23 19:07:17 i'd offer you mine if that meant i'd never have to see it again :) Aug 23 19:07:18 does not work correctly Aug 23 19:07:27 ooh, wikireorg, thats what i was missing Aug 23 19:07:46 i like this theme so much, must have it^^ Aug 23 19:07:46 MoRpHeUz: you see? not even offering maemo merchandising for free I'm getting enough OKs sigh :) Aug 23 19:08:15 technically i suspect the license isn't in your favor Aug 23 19:08:26 qgil: hehe, it's really hard... =( Aug 23 19:08:31 qgil: oks? I said ok Aug 23 19:08:41 qgil: anyway I'll take a look on those page at night.. =) Aug 23 19:08:50 qgil: feel like abraham visiting lot in gemorah? Aug 23 19:08:50 mh, you mean its not good to use it? Aug 23 19:09:43 i suspect that it's not listed as something customers may redistribute Aug 23 19:09:51 MoRpHeUz, erstazi ... 8 ok's missing for the shirts4edits party Aug 23 19:10:10 ok, you know someone who could do that? Aug 23 19:10:16 timelE61i: *now* I see the poetry inside you :) Aug 23 19:10:51 qgil: so you need 8 more... Aug 23 19:11:16 yes, I consider that 10 people can easily clean that - I don't want to exploit anybody Aug 23 19:11:26 ok Aug 23 19:11:35 and at the end is just a piece of the game :) Aug 23 19:11:54 what is Jussi Kukkonen 's irc nick? Aug 23 19:12:05 qgil: can I pm you? Aug 23 19:12:18 bmguest Aug 23 19:12:33 qgil: i couldn't handle Aug 23 19:12:50 hi Aug 23 19:13:17 hello boys Aug 23 19:13:28 hello g Aug 23 19:13:47 i got a problem with ctorrent Aug 23 19:13:52 Has anyone tried running pyusb on maemo under python2.5? Aug 23 19:14:03 timelE61i: http://maemo.lancode.de/?path=./themes&PHPSESSID=241e0902b3346daced21a581f66e9906 <- these themes ( os07 ) doent work correctly for my 770 Aug 23 19:15:20 ... Portrait of the artist as a young man Aug 23 19:15:47 because my biblical knowledge is limited to 5 books Aug 23 19:16:05 and i wasn't that great w/ greco roman mythos Aug 23 19:16:07 two white stripes unter my icon navigation bar, and in control panel fonts are ... not correct too Aug 23 19:16:23 mh^^ Aug 23 19:16:37 ok, thanks for interesting Aug 23 19:17:35 so, it seems that normal users don't have permissions to completely delete pages, which in fact makes sense Aug 23 19:18:10 I will create a PagesToDelete page so you can link them from there Aug 23 19:18:27 this will take them out of the orphan pages and then I can go an delete in mode BRAIN=OFF Aug 23 19:19:21 BenSw: I've made a build with 2.5 a few minutes ago Aug 23 19:19:27 qgil, is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ computed on the fly ? Aug 23 19:19:35 dev, and it works? Aug 23 19:19:43 when i try to run some of the sample code i get this error Aug 23 19:19:53 I get notifications of all the edits, so it's easy to see who did what and earned a free maemo shirt delivered at home Aug 23 19:19:54 File "usbenum.py", line 9, in Aug 23 19:19:54 busses = usb.busses() Aug 23 19:19:54 usb.USBError: No error Aug 23 19:19:55 i just had a try adding a french link in https://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ , and it s still shows up as orphan (link is cartememoire) Aug 23 19:20:11 melmoth: I would say so, just shift.reload just in case the caching system is tricking you Aug 23 19:20:48 yop, shift reload did the trick. Aug 23 19:20:59 MoRpHeUz, erstazi ... 8 ok's missing for the shirts4edits party Aug 23 19:21:03 I mean Aug 23 19:21:07 ok, i ll try to list orphan french page then. Aug 23 19:21:16 MoRpHeUz, erstazi, melmoth... 7 ok's missing for the shirts4edits party Aug 23 19:21:43 damn, cant find this themes. Aug 23 19:21:50 gr Aug 23 19:22:28 red-zack, BenSw I can't believe you don't want to get a free maemo tshirt you can't get anywhere else Aug 23 19:22:49 where? Aug 23 19:22:52 (starting with the agressing marketing) Aug 23 19:22:53 HERE Aug 23 19:23:11 heh Aug 23 19:23:12 qgil: sure, want this shirt too :P Aug 23 19:23:27 that was not a link... Aug 23 19:23:35 shirt? Aug 23 19:23:39 rofl Aug 23 19:23:59 alright, with the permission of tigert I will make the topic even longer - wait Aug 23 19:24:07 first the theme, next the shirt ;) Aug 23 19:24:33 give it to me baby, aha aha ;) Aug 23 19:25:09 red-zack: there is a black theme out there for OS2006, I had it for a while Aug 23 19:25:12 I don't have the link currently Aug 23 19:25:46 i would download any tracks of gnr Aug 23 19:25:49 i have used the terminal writing ctorrent -h Aug 23 19:25:55 but i have not undestood as download the tracks Aug 23 19:25:56 erstazi: you know where to get it now? Aug 23 19:26:00 mh Aug 23 19:26:01 could you help me ? Aug 23 19:26:03 ah, see- Aug 23 19:26:06 * timeless wonders how to edit the wiki Aug 23 19:26:17 i would listen guns and roses Aug 23 19:26:19 erstazi: you know the name? Aug 23 19:26:23 in their life they have just sold 90,000,000 of discs in the world Aug 23 19:26:27 then i would download in ogg Aug 23 19:26:30 oh, does the wiki require js? Aug 23 19:26:33 a news for all Aug 23 19:26:37 there is not anymore nokia 770 Aug 23 19:26:43 only n 800 and last 3 ones was sent in Finland Aug 23 19:26:45 i have ask if it's possibile to buy Aug 23 19:26:49 they have said no ! Aug 23 19:27:28 ok, how do i link to a wiki page? Aug 23 19:28:29 one down Aug 23 19:29:11 is this correct: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto/ (I did xnest) Aug 23 19:29:25 last I knew xnest is part of development and thats a howto Aug 23 19:30:09 how do i delete a page? Aug 23 19:30:27 timeless: if the url is like this: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/foo/ then do this [foo|bar] Aug 23 19:30:33 where bar is the text displayed for the link Aug 23 19:31:09 timeless: I believe there is a deletion page,... https://maemo.org/community/wiki/PagesToDelete/ Aug 23 19:31:34 Hey guys... Boot from SD: Aye\Nay? Aug 23 19:31:48 whaq__: some people do that Aug 23 19:31:56 mouahahah http://maemo.org/community/wiki/maemodrinkinggame/ Aug 23 19:32:10 erstazi: why don't you then? :) Aug 23 19:32:44 whaq__: um... is this a question about the wiki or a question about booting from SD? Aug 23 19:32:58 melmoth: heh Aug 23 19:33:18 erstazi: er.. the SD boot Aug 23 19:33:32 whaq__: I could but I don't desire to Aug 23 19:33:57 It's supposed to be 2 times faster.. Aug 23 19:34:04 lowered CPU usage.. Aug 23 19:34:22 whaq__: that is what people say, but I have the 770, not the n800 Aug 23 19:35:01 Doesn't the 770 get the same benefit? The extra space would be even more useful on 770's 64mb Aug 23 19:35:19 be careful, midgard is not very good at dealing with conflicting edits Aug 23 19:35:25 heh Aug 23 19:35:25 shit Aug 23 19:35:48 qgil: from being an svn user... I feared that Aug 23 19:36:04 qgil: PagesToDelete needs linked haha! Aug 23 19:36:16 I wonedered why they were not falling off the orphans list Aug 23 19:36:23 from being a power user and admin of 4 different wiki engines, me too Aug 23 19:36:30 I will link that somewhere in http://maemo.org/community/wiki/wikireorg/ Aug 23 19:36:51 shift-reload Aug 23 19:36:54 shift-reload Aug 23 19:36:57 shift-reload Aug 23 19:37:14 qpil: ok Aug 23 19:37:21 (the latter is not midgard'0s fault - squid to blame) Aug 23 19:37:56 ok Aug 23 19:38:03 what's w/ [d09fd0bed0bcd0bed189d18cd09dd0bed0b2d0b8d187d0bad0b0d0bc] and friends? Aug 23 19:38:06 maemo.org needs to use gzip compression Aug 23 19:38:32 erstazi: I think it does Aug 23 19:39:08 timeless: trash Aug 23 19:40:03 you might want to pick different letters each and clean them completely (I went through A) :) Aug 23 19:40:17 qgil: and i can kill all pages for people? Aug 23 19:40:27 this way the chancess of stepping other's toes are smaller Aug 23 19:40:34 timeless: definitely Aug 23 19:40:50 qgil: I am going from the end of the list Aug 23 19:41:23 timeless: I did a few but thanks for noting that Aug 23 19:41:46 /clear Aug 23 19:41:54 the ones with more edits will get 2 shirts - one for each sex Aug 23 19:42:08 i only have 1 sex :) Aug 23 19:42:12 we've got all sizes to choose from Aug 23 19:42:14 qgil: that sounds kinky Aug 23 19:42:27 how about Users* pages? Aug 23 19:42:32 I can move back to 1 for everybody if you prefer Aug 23 19:42:32 like UserPittsburgh Aug 23 19:42:41 erstazi: all deleted Aug 23 19:42:45 ok Aug 23 19:44:10 well, you might have a friend with different XX/XY that never got anything tangible from open source software... Aug 23 19:44:33 heh Aug 23 19:45:06 I am afraid of this non-locking environment Aug 23 19:45:55 timeless: since you mentioned you are going to delete people's user pages... lets both gather a list that is formatted and then both inform each other for when we are going to edit Aug 23 19:46:25 erstazi: i'm not very systematic Aug 23 19:46:31 ok Aug 23 19:46:38 i'm sorta running through a middle Aug 23 19:46:42 ok Aug 23 19:47:03 well I just don't want to be editing PagesToDelete at the same time as you or anyone else Aug 23 19:47:07 howdo chaps n' chappettes.... Aug 23 19:47:09 hi troozers Aug 23 19:47:27 anyone know where i can get "ar" for the N800? Aug 23 19:47:42 doesn't seem to be installed by default Aug 23 19:48:09 wait, so how do I get this t-shirt? Aug 23 19:48:11 _Monkey: ar? Aug 23 19:48:11 <_Monkey> erstazi: no idea Aug 23 19:48:35 archive tool... allows you to unpack .deb files ;) Aug 23 19:48:41 GNU ar Aug 23 19:48:52 troozers: I know what it is, I thought the bot would have that information Aug 23 19:49:02 lol - oops sorry Aug 23 19:49:21 BenSw: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/pagestodelete/ Aug 23 19:49:23 troozers: its ok, looking for you in a second Aug 23 19:49:29 cheers Aug 23 19:49:34 thanks Aug 23 19:50:37 so if i put a page on there i get a free t-shirt?: Aug 23 19:51:11 BenSw: if it was that easy, then yes Aug 23 19:51:23 I think the agreement is 10 pages that are *needed* to be deleted Aug 23 19:51:28 I don't quite follow Aug 23 19:51:29 oh Aug 23 19:51:32 thats quite a few Aug 23 19:51:34 qgil: right? Aug 23 19:51:45 BenSw: let's say that I will set a minimum tomorrow when I see how many people and how much... 1 edit looks like a bit cheap ;) Aug 23 19:51:57 BenSw: have you ever used mediawiki/wikipedia and edited a page? Aug 23 19:52:12 yeah, let's say that dealing with 10 pages could be a reference Aug 23 19:52:14 yes Aug 23 19:52:25 BenSw: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/orphans/ is all the pages needed to be linked *somewhere* appropriately Aug 23 19:52:26 what does said t-shirt look like? Aug 23 19:52:33 not only deleting, the most important part here is linking good pages in the index and the WikiReorg page Aug 23 19:52:44 bensw: it's on a blog i didn't post yet :) Aug 23 19:52:55 oh, thats nice :/ Aug 23 19:52:56 i was saving that blog post for tomorrow Aug 23 19:52:58 bad pages orphaned is not that bad actually, since there is not easy way to reach them Aug 23 19:53:21 troozers: have you tried apt-get install ar Aug 23 19:53:22 ? Aug 23 19:53:55 couldnt find package ar Aug 23 19:54:06 BenSw: http://desdeamericaconamor.org/blog/node/375 and more if you look for "guadec" in flickr Aug 23 19:54:11 qgil: ow...too outdated content... hehe Aug 23 19:54:37 BenSw: I see you are doing this for the sake of the maemo.org content quality ;) Aug 23 19:54:57 yabv Aug 23 19:57:55 timeless: are you still doing user pages? Aug 23 19:58:22 erstazi: I finished a lot of user pages Aug 23 19:58:26 erstazi: i did daf a moment ago Aug 23 19:58:27 just a few remaining Aug 23 19:58:30 alright, now I have to leave (time for GNOME call meeting) I hope everything is clear Aug 23 19:58:34 but not specificly Aug 23 19:58:44 i'm trying to figure out Glossary Aug 23 19:58:51 which is basically a pointer to Codenames Aug 23 19:58:58 ah Aug 23 19:59:14 10pm, good night :) Aug 23 20:00:00 the hardest part will be the "how to"s Aug 23 20:00:01 hehe - i cheated... ran 'ar' on my linux laptop and copied the results back to the n800 :P Aug 23 20:00:57 so um Aug 23 20:01:11 can someone explain how either Delete or Orphans works? Aug 23 20:01:27 timeless: basically orphans are pages that are not linked anywhere Aug 23 20:01:51 timeless: since the normal user does not have delete abilities... we just link the page in PagesToDelete Aug 23 20:02:01 then someone with those abilities can Aug 23 20:02:05 arg Aug 23 20:02:10 s/abilities/permissions/ Aug 23 20:02:10 erstazi meant: then someone with those permissions can Aug 23 20:02:14 why isn't daf in pagestodelete? Aug 23 20:02:22 ?? Aug 23 20:02:26 * timeless put it there Aug 23 20:03:01 MoRpHeUz: are you on the howto page right now editing? Aug 23 20:03:20 erstazi: nops...just finished the "half-bottom" of names... Aug 23 20:03:24 (user pages) Aug 23 20:03:42 MoRpHeUz: awesome Aug 23 20:03:52 erstazi: how to's will be hard... Aug 23 20:03:59 MoRpHeUz: I am working my way up from the bottom, but not the user pages Aug 23 20:04:01 need to test/know if the content is still valid Aug 23 20:04:04 MoRpHeUz: I am working on those myself Aug 23 20:04:11 and I cam checking them Aug 23 20:04:17 great! =D Aug 23 20:04:48 erstazi: need to do some coding here..I'll be back in a moment to wiki editing =) Aug 23 20:04:56 k Aug 23 20:18:00 wb qgi1 Aug 23 20:19:35 who edited Really outdated pages in WikiReorg? Aug 23 20:21:29 timeless: should WiFiLocation not be there? Aug 23 20:21:55 in which? Aug 23 20:22:39 oh, we might have crossed posted Aug 23 20:22:42 ok nevermind Aug 23 20:22:45 it looks as if we did Aug 23 20:22:59 * timeless is napping Aug 23 20:23:00 timeless: I thought you removed one of my edits to WikiReorg Aug 23 20:23:18 not intentionally :( Aug 23 20:23:43 i was probably in a lang section for too many seconds Aug 23 20:24:27 timeless: oh I know, thats why I wish we could lock files, are you messing with WikiReorg right now? if so, I can stop editing there Aug 23 20:24:36 no Aug 23 20:24:51 i'm watching highlander :) Aug 23 20:25:01 ok Aug 23 20:25:06 naked bums Aug 23 20:28:06 qgi1: anything about porting should be a priority, I think its one of the key reasons why I bought a nokia as many others have Aug 23 20:44:56 ok got a question... what is the difference between [/CompilingVariousBuildDirs] and [CompilingVariousBuildDirs] Aug 23 20:45:15 doing [/CompilingVariousBuildDirs] seems to be working but makes CompilingVariousBuildDirs an orphan Aug 23 20:45:18 which I see a lot Aug 23 20:46:27 any suggestions? Aug 23 20:57:59 ok, [/foo] is a mediawiki thing, and honestly I do not see a difference of how it changes anything for midguard CMS... I made them all [foo] Aug 23 20:59:53 basically if you have [poop] and you wanted to link to [foo] which is a sub article of [poop] then you would do [/foo] which would be poop/foo in the URL Aug 23 21:00:47 the standard nomenclature is foo/bar Aug 23 21:01:00 pupnik: I know, but poop came to mind first Aug 23 21:15:30 Would any n800 owners here give pcsx a try and report framerates for playstation games? check thread here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=70723#post70723 Aug 23 21:15:33 pcsx? Aug 23 21:15:34 <_Monkey> i guess pcsx is an open-source Playstation 1 emulator. An unoptimized build is available at http://pupnik.de/pcsx.html Its purpose is to frustrate users and annoy zodttd into porting psx4all to maemo. Aug 23 21:18:33 pupnik: where do I find games to test pcsx ? Aug 23 21:19:43 right now the public-domain gaimes i have won't load in pcsx Aug 23 21:19:49 http://pupnik.de/hermitgames_PSX.zip Aug 23 21:20:49 i picked up a pile of psx games at a closeout sale a few years ago Aug 23 21:22:05 i haven't found what causes the seek past eof error yet Aug 23 21:35:11 does anyone know if the uart on the OMAP is routed to the port near the battery pack of the n800 Aug 23 21:42:07 it's a serial port, yes Aug 23 21:42:36 why doesnt it show up on /dev/tty Aug 23 21:42:57 I mean can i access it Aug 23 21:43:01 that i don't know. pinouts are on the web somewhere Aug 23 21:43:09 yes I did see them Aug 23 21:43:19 maybe it's only active during boot? Aug 23 21:43:26 The person got readouts while the N800 was booting Aug 23 21:43:29 yes Aug 23 21:43:55 hmm Aug 23 22:47:28 good night boys Aug 23 22:47:49 Please could you help me ? Aug 23 22:47:56 What's the problem Aug 23 22:47:56 <_Monkey> the problem is that we need a better bot. Not just a monkey.... Aug 23 22:48:30 That sounds like the problem alright. Aug 23 22:48:30 how to use ctorrent on nokia 770 ? Aug 23 22:48:55 probably by reading its documentation Aug 23 22:49:22 from shell i done ctorrent -h to have the help Aug 23 22:49:56 but i have not understood how to download Aug 23 22:51:23 I'm kind of curious as to the usefulness of a torrent client for the 770 Aug 23 22:54:25 I am using the nokia 770 now Aug 23 22:54:25 And i got the battery down Aug 23 22:54:25 Problably the connection could go down Aug 23 22:54:29 I am in a secondary street and i am using the wifi Aug 23 22:54:33 Of one that has a bad connection Aug 23 22:54:35 Could you help me if you can ? Aug 23 22:54:48 sorry, I don't know how to make it work Aug 23 22:54:59 i've downloaded with ctorrent Aug 23 22:55:32 I have CTorrent Aug 23 22:55:58 you download a torrent file with browser Aug 23 22:56:17 then run ctorrent filename.torrent Aug 23 22:57:09 use -U 16 to limit upstream bandwidth to 16kB/s Aug 23 22:58:03 Is there any delimitation of the mmc-card? Aug 23 22:59:33 delimitation? Aug 23 22:59:37 kikka__: hi - i do not understand Aug 23 23:00:04 pupnik: du sprichst doch deutsch? Oehm, ich meine Beschraekung der SD-Karte beim 770. :/ Aug 23 23:00:05 maximum size of mmc card? Aug 23 23:00:09 jes. Aug 23 23:00:16 2 gig limit right now Aug 23 23:00:25 Are. On 770? Aug 23 23:00:39 2GB max on 770 Aug 23 23:00:48 Ok Aug 23 23:00:48 Yes Aug 23 23:00:50 Virtual mem Aug 23 23:01:08 Mhm, nice. Aug 23 23:02:44 * pupnik runs Oddworld - Abe's Oddessey on 770 :P Aug 23 23:03:00 really? Aug 23 23:03:09 first time - still loading Aug 23 23:03:20 how does that work? *interested* Aug 23 23:03:35 very slowly! Aug 23 23:03:52 watching intro movie now Aug 23 23:03:53 Some ARM compile of the game? Aug 23 23:04:02 no running playstation emulator pcsx Aug 23 23:04:30 oh interesting. do any PSX games run decently? Aug 23 23:04:42 *Oddysee Aug 23 23:04:54 no Aug 23 23:05:01 haha Aug 23 23:05:28 about 0.6 fps on intro screen movie Aug 23 23:06:16 trying to start a game to see in-game fps Aug 23 23:06:27 psx4gp2x gets about 25 fps with frameskip Aug 23 23:06:52 are there any cheap bluetooth serial modules out there Aug 23 23:06:58 what do you do with a 45lb 8-month old Aug 23 23:07:05 :o Aug 23 23:07:10 err.... dog Aug 23 23:07:15 thank god! Aug 23 23:07:20 i forgot to mention it is a hyperactive dog Aug 23 23:07:34 bikeride Aug 23 23:07:54 it would jump into the spokes :-) Aug 23 23:08:13 bluehash, if you find one, btw, let us, or at least me, know Aug 23 23:09:20 Guns_N______Roses_-_1987_-_Appetite_For_Dest Aug 23 23:10:11 heh. my 30lb shiba totally pwns him Aug 23 23:10:13 This is the file torrent that i downloaded Aug 23 23:10:39 and i don't use l33t lightly. Aug 23 23:10:47 i have started xterm Aug 23 23:10:59 I wrote sudo gainroot Aug 23 23:11:23 cd /media/mmc1 Aug 23 23:11:28 ls Aug 23 23:12:08 Then ctorrent -U 16 and the file downloaded Aug 23 23:13:26 Luria: sure Aug 23 23:13:53 Error open Guns........ Aug 23 23:14:00 I did ask this before.. But there wasnt much trafiic then.. does anyone know if the uart on the OMAP is routed to the port near the battery pack of the n800 Aug 23 23:14:10 Error initial meta info failed Aug 23 23:16:14 I think gz is better Aug 23 23:17:34 http://thepiratebay.org Aug 23 23:25:01 I thank i think to ask more detailed Aug 23 23:25:16 Info to any friend Aug 23 23:26:27 http://publicdomaintorrents.com/bt/btdownload.php?type=torrent&file=Betty_Boop_My_Friend_the_Monkey_PocketPC.avi.torrent Aug 23 23:26:48 that should work Aug 23 23:28:47 MHm... ScummVM :) :) Aug 23 23:34:43 almost exactly 1.0 fps on Abe's Oddyssee :P Aug 23 23:35:46 http://pupnik.de/PCSX_Nokia_770_02_Abes_Oddysee.png Aug 23 23:36:00 damn Aug 23 23:36:11 if you have Abe's and a N800 i would like to know fps Aug 23 23:36:29 maybe 1.2 Aug 23 23:36:57 openGL would help just a bit :) Aug 23 23:51:33 hello, someone uses alternative solar or crank for charging this pda? Aug 23 23:54:45 * pupnik points to a battery of hamsters on wheels Aug 23 23:55:12 I use the gravitational force of the moon Aug 23 23:56:01 eichi: any 5v DC power supply should work, afaik Aug 23 23:59:49 hm sometimes i'm many days on camps, on the way with the bike and tent, etc. so it would be usefull to get power without any receptacle Aug 24 00:03:59 look at the soldius charger Aug 24 00:04:24 no battery (which i prefer, though i understand the opposite side) Aug 24 00:05:22 anyhoo, iirc, the n800's a/c adapter outputs 5v @890ma or so, so a 5w adapter should be fine. Aug 24 00:05:44 i havent bought one yet myself, so i dunno Aug 24 00:38:53 can i use the shasta keyboard with an n800? Aug 24 00:45:46 o Option for extended virtual memory (RS-MMC up to 1 GB) <- Really up to 2GB? ;) Aug 24 00:46:14 i run 2GB since november 2006 Aug 24 00:46:44 Okay. :) Aug 24 01:19:00 what can i use for a real file browser Aug 24 01:35:09 Can someone walk me through compiling either swfdec or gnash for os 2006 on the n770, i cant seem to figure out how to do it Aug 24 01:35:33 can someone tell me how to compile anything at all Aug 24 01:35:35 i have no idea Aug 24 02:01:13 setite, you'll need to read a tutorial on the GNU compilation tools (autogen, configure, make, etc) Aug 24 02:02:18 Anyone get MicroB working on their 770? Aug 24 02:03:54 when did microb get released? i missed it - URL? Aug 24 02:04:04 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ Aug 24 02:04:42 thank god for mulliner Aug 24 02:04:54 he allowed me to forgo learning to compile for another day Aug 24 02:10:30 darn, how do I get the python netrc module? Aug 24 02:10:52 while trying to launch uktube from xterm I got the import error 9no module netrc) Aug 24 02:21:32 sully to answer your question, yes Aug 24 02:21:49 I get a whole bunch of missing dependencies Aug 24 02:22:38 Wow, some people worked a lot on the wiki in the past hours, thanks a lot Aug 24 02:24:27 Can someone change TONIGHT by TODAY in the #maemo topic? Aug 24 02:24:44 pupnik, qgil do you guys know how i can install the netrc python module ? (UKTUBE requires it) Aug 24 02:24:51 I think i can't with pidgin Aug 24 02:25:35 soaib, no - i would google it, or type "apt-cache search python |grep netrc" to find the package name Aug 24 02:25:45 Thx saaib Aug 24 02:26:03 qgil, np Aug 24 02:29:44 microb not working with synergy + input method xim here (enter key or CR not working) Aug 24 02:30:36 hmm second time is the charm Aug 24 02:31:17 scrolling a little bit slower i guess but looks beautiful! Aug 24 02:40:42 the cat chewed up my charger..I can't play w/ my 770 :-( Aug 24 02:42:29 * Darksmurf-away wonders if there is 'cat-shot'..you know, kinda like 'bird-shot' but for cats... Aug 24 02:43:51 bird shot should work fine Aug 24 02:43:55 Pets: love them . Hate them Aug 24 02:44:34 dogs, love them. cats, hate them. Aug 24 02:45:40 Aug 24 02:45:46 Luria_ sounds good to me..try to tell that to my girl... Most of the time the cat is ok, this is the first cable she CHEWED IN HALF..if only it had been a little more juice.. Aug 24 02:46:54 can somebody compile gnash for me for my nokia n770 Aug 24 02:47:18 volts jolt, mils kill Aug 24 02:47:56 can someone compile gnash for the nokia n770 for me Aug 24 02:51:58 juice != volts in my book, juice = power Aug 24 02:52:36 it just dawned on me..I know how to solder. I can fix the psu cable :-) Aug 24 02:52:42 * Darksmurf-away heats up soldering iron.. Aug 24 02:53:03 dont slip and impale/burn cat Aug 24 02:53:13 lol Aug 24 02:53:47 or mistake the cat for a wet sponge Aug 24 02:54:01 i need help compiling gnash for my n770 Aug 24 02:57:08 whats with the free t-shirt? Aug 24 02:58:21 Luria_: for helping out on the wiki Aug 24 02:58:47 Luria_: there are orphan pages that need linked appropriately or linked in PagesToDeleted Aug 24 02:58:54 or PagesToDelete **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Aug 24 02:59:56 2007