**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Aug 24 02:59:56 2007 Aug 24 03:15:07 ok installing scratchbox is proving too hard for me Aug 24 03:15:15 so im not ment to be a compiler Aug 24 03:15:25 search for the vmware image Aug 24 03:15:35 vmware image of what Aug 24 03:16:45 its a linux install + xwindows + scratchbox Aug 24 03:21:41 hola Aug 24 03:23:51 omg, i want a faraday suit Aug 24 03:26:13 ?? Aug 24 03:26:35 Darksmurf-away Aug 24 03:26:39 where would i find that Aug 24 03:26:47 and im not sure what you mean by vmware image Aug 24 03:26:59 i have vmware Aug 24 03:28:09 setite: I think Darksmurf-away means the vmware app that has Ubuntu+scratchbox installed already Aug 24 03:28:22 the maemo vmware Aug 24 03:28:23 yea i figured as much.. still need to find it though Aug 24 03:28:29 I have it Aug 24 03:28:37 ok so am i googling maemo vmware or vmware scratchbox Aug 24 03:28:38 there is a torrent out there Aug 24 03:28:56 but then when you finish the torrent, its in 7z compressed format Aug 24 03:29:13 i think i have 7zip Aug 24 03:29:15 and thats built into linux, but windows you need to download the extractor Aug 24 03:29:18 * Darksmurf-away fixed his cat chewed 770 charger :-D Aug 24 03:30:00 found it it think Aug 24 03:30:01 winrar should do it...I downloaded the file from the server and it worked fine. Aug 24 03:30:21 Maemo Development VMWare Appliance Aug 24 03:30:24 on sumo torrent Aug 24 03:30:29 setite: I would dcc it to you, but its large of course as any vmware image would be Aug 24 03:30:58 anyoen know how to install an app as a service Aug 24 03:31:09 i want usirius to run as a service i think Aug 24 03:31:41 setite: on what? Aug 24 03:31:45 windows Aug 24 03:31:46 <_Monkey> i heard windows was a flashy MS-DOS shell Aug 24 03:31:59 i use usirius to listen to sirius satellite on my nokia Aug 24 03:32:02 nokia Aug 24 03:32:17 ill just make it a startup app and pray for the best Aug 24 03:32:25 _Monkey you don't have a snappy comment about nokia? Aug 24 03:32:25 <_Monkey> darksmurf-away: wish i knew Aug 24 03:32:46 _Monkey, nokia? Aug 24 03:32:46 <_Monkey> nokia is, like, a company. It also sponsors maemo using sales of N800s. Buy one. Buy two Aug 24 03:33:30 setite: you could do MSCONFIG and then Aug 24 03:34:07 ssh is slow as shit sometime Aug 24 03:34:25 setite: and then select startup Aug 24 03:34:27 msconfig... yea i was figured that Aug 24 03:34:43 thank god vista still has msconfig Aug 24 03:34:48 i would be mad if they chagned that too Aug 24 03:35:23 ugh, vista Aug 24 03:35:51 in msconfig i dont see a way to add a startup app Aug 24 03:35:55 no vista comments please Aug 24 03:36:20 setite: you like "are you sure you want to do that?"? heh I am playing Aug 24 03:37:08 torrent is slow shit Aug 24 03:37:10 15kbps Aug 24 03:37:16 you should dcc it :) Aug 24 03:37:17 yeah, not enough people seeding Aug 24 03:37:20 haha Aug 24 03:37:47 I won't be on all night and my bandwidth is consumed right now with distro torrents Aug 24 03:38:11 _Monkey, vista? Aug 24 03:38:12 <_Monkey> luria_: bugger all, i dunno Aug 24 03:38:55 speaking of distro torrents Aug 24 03:39:00 anyone try elive? Aug 24 03:39:19 Luria_: not yet Aug 24 03:39:26 really neat Aug 24 03:39:33 isn't it debian based? Aug 24 03:39:41 yeah Aug 24 03:39:49 there are too mayn distros Aug 24 03:39:49 with e16/17 Aug 24 03:40:07 not really Aug 24 03:40:19 it uses EDE or some different DE Aug 24 03:40:31 imagine what would get done if more distros were assimilated into more promising ones Aug 24 03:40:38 enlightenment e16/17 Aug 24 03:40:49 i would love to see some people on the ubuntu team concerned with speed Aug 24 03:41:09 or some people on the slackware team concerned with better hardware discovery Aug 24 03:41:17 they do. ive seen distros take thoughts and code from others. hence gpl... Aug 24 03:41:25 slackware is the only os I have tried so far that fights my network card Aug 24 03:41:58 i just wish a super distro would emerge to take back the world from windows Aug 24 03:42:15 one that both newbs and elitists alike would use Aug 24 03:42:20 yeah, that wouldnt quite work Aug 24 03:42:41 setite: well, so far Ubuntu has done that, but I have been hoping something else would jump on the ring Aug 24 03:42:51 kubuntu :-) Aug 24 03:42:52 if a good team set themselves to it they could get damned close Aug 24 03:42:53 I think Fedora is a decent distro Aug 24 03:43:01 erstazi elitists hate ubuntu Aug 24 03:43:08 setite: of course Aug 24 03:43:11 i like debian and suse Aug 24 03:43:15 and openbsd Aug 24 03:43:18 i know a bunch of slackers who cant stand it... whining about true admin stuff Aug 24 03:43:19 :-) Aug 24 03:43:22 but you have to realize, elitists will not use what newbs will use Aug 24 03:43:40 you cannot bind those two together Aug 24 03:43:44 and i really am liking elive Aug 24 03:44:13 plus there are a billion special use distros Aug 24 03:44:13 I think Gentoo users are more... "elitist" than slackware Aug 24 03:44:26 I used slackware back in 95, my brother introduced it to me Aug 24 03:44:31 they wont on principal i know.. but it would be nice to have an OS that they cant legitimately grip about Aug 24 03:44:47 Damn Small Linux is great on older pc's, the XFCE DE is very easy flowing Aug 24 03:44:55 found a direct link to maemo appliance Aug 24 03:44:58 getting it on flashget Aug 24 03:45:07 tar ball though Aug 24 03:45:13 i use dsl... but elive is cooler Aug 24 03:45:24 i use ubuntu because im lazy Aug 24 03:45:31 but i think its damned slow Aug 24 03:45:42 like web browsing has annoying delays Aug 24 03:45:55 setite: it is slow because of the DE, but KDE is slower on Kubuntu, its not implemented right Aug 24 03:45:56 only thing is the "feed me" approach by its developer and hidden ftp servers Aug 24 03:46:10 i hear the new kernel has network optimizations that allow a rig to download faster Aug 24 03:46:26 hopefully Aug 24 03:46:53 i just cant stand ubuntus browsing delays Aug 24 03:47:05 setite: its how firefox is implemented Aug 24 03:47:06 i type in a page in firefox windoze and its almost immediate Aug 24 03:47:21 in firefox ubuntu it takes 2-5 seconds to start loading Aug 24 03:47:22 firefox uses XUL for the graphical layout Aug 24 03:47:36 which is xml based Aug 24 03:47:56 between 1.5.x and 2.0.0.x, firefox became very bloated Aug 24 03:48:14 thats why i use k-meleon as my browser when alt-tabbed out of a modern game. Aug 24 03:48:29 I am finding opera to be very light weight Aug 24 03:48:32 (on windows, of course) Aug 24 03:48:52 but I still use firefox primarily Aug 24 03:49:00 you have to avoid extensions, really Aug 24 03:49:14 thats what blogs down firefox a lot. Aug 24 03:49:16 opera... light weight? Aug 24 03:49:19 what are you smoking Aug 24 03:49:34 setite: ok, quicker response heh Aug 24 03:49:39 extensions arent too bad... Aug 24 03:49:41 i love opera.. but i havent seen a browser this bloated since aol Aug 24 03:49:57 well, AOL's browser was basied on mozilla Aug 24 03:49:58 and aol wasnt a browser.. but you know what i mean.. opera reminds me of the aol app Aug 24 03:50:05 i thought aol was msie Aug 24 03:50:20 no, they bought netscape, which netscape owned mozilla Aug 24 03:50:25 or some sort Aug 24 03:50:42 basically, AOL had the software rights and then dropped them or some sort Aug 24 03:50:44 so aol owns firefox? Aug 24 03:50:47 no Aug 24 03:50:51 ^^ Aug 24 03:51:20 and actually, they used some sort of mix, technically, it is its own browser Aug 24 03:51:32 it uses IE's settings but different rendering Aug 24 03:51:48 or some sort, I never really dug into it, but my wife uses AOL sadly ugh Aug 24 03:51:55 I cannot convince her to get rid of it Aug 24 03:52:21 you are a sad man if you cant get her off it :) Aug 24 03:52:25 brb... Aug 24 03:52:56 I am about to do whitelisting here soon for the hardware firewall, so then AOL won't be able to connect Aug 24 03:53:13 and when she asks whats wrong, I will be like "I don't support aol, sorry" Aug 24 03:54:50 damn.... aol is still in business? Aug 24 03:58:38 Luria_: sadly Aug 24 03:58:57 they offer their operating system for free now... no more payments if you have broadband Aug 24 03:59:06 heh Aug 24 04:00:11 ok I am going to sleep, everyone have a good night (: Aug 24 04:01:31 anyone know where to get the flash9 plugin for MicroB on the 770? Aug 24 04:02:14 (http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/) Aug 24 04:02:46 back Aug 24 04:03:14 im still in shock netzero is afloat Aug 24 04:03:18 i miss when they were free Aug 24 04:03:38 im one of the reasons aol is in business Aug 24 04:03:58 i paid for their BYOA plan for like two years so i didnt have to get a new IM account Aug 24 04:04:10 i finally said fuck it one day Aug 24 04:04:28 and a month earlier they had changed their policy allowing you to keep your name when you cancelled Aug 24 04:04:30 so i lucked out Aug 24 04:05:35 5 mins left on this tar ball Aug 24 04:09:15 so..I installed MicroB and now I have tabs. I had also just installed Minimo. I see tabs on the builtin browser so I assume MicroB gave me tabs and not minimo Aug 24 04:09:18 right? Aug 24 04:09:38 i hate minimo Aug 24 04:09:47 it opens slow and wont let me paste urls Aug 24 04:10:02 well that last part happened once.. but it does open slow as shit.. Aug 24 04:10:11 but it lets me run sites opera wont Aug 24 04:11:25 even though minimo means mini mozilla i keep thinking mini mo as in homo Aug 24 04:26:20 lol Aug 24 04:26:22 Minimo is a pain Aug 24 04:26:27 UI doesn't behave right Aug 24 04:29:50 i love my new tablet pc Aug 24 04:29:54 like a grown up 770 :) Aug 24 04:29:58 too bad i have to sell it :( Aug 24 04:30:28 sparr: Oh, I forgot, did you still need that .ogg file with comments? Aug 24 04:30:52 nope, all good here Aug 24 04:31:17 i think we pretty clearly drew the line on what does and doesnt work with mutagen and ogg Aug 24 04:32:31 Oh? Aug 24 04:32:53 sparr: Which kind is it? Aug 24 04:33:42 Lynoure: motion m1400 Aug 24 04:33:46 ive got kubuntu running on it Aug 24 04:33:50 http://nmacleod.com/nokia/n800/microb_flash-4.2007.tar.gz Aug 24 04:40:08 sparr: looks nice, but quite expensive and heavier than it looks, I guess for anything over 1kg I'd want some sort of keyboard included Aug 24 04:40:49 i picked it up for $200, sans hard drive Aug 24 04:40:58 with 1GB of ram Aug 24 04:41:31 sparr: wow, that was well, compared to the >1000 sterling normally Aug 24 04:41:41 aye Aug 24 04:41:43 a steal Aug 24 04:41:50 but i cant afford to not sell it :( Aug 24 04:42:03 $200 tablet is nice. $400+ in my pocket is nicer. Aug 24 04:57:04 sparr: Could you do a freehand line test on it, just for fun? I got lately really curious about touchscreen sensitivity/accuracy, and mused over easy way of testing it: http://www.lynoure.org/blog/index.php?/archives/190-Testing-tablet-touchscreens.html Aug 24 04:58:21 Not very scientific, but easy and doable without anything special needed. Aug 24 05:35:37 Darksmurf-away: yes microb gave you tabs Aug 24 05:36:04 GeneralAntilles: minimo's interaction w/ the vkb was *amazingly* frustrating Aug 24 05:36:25 Mmmm... 32GB SD cards. http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20070822/toshiba-goes-big-with-high-capacity-sd-cards/ Aug 24 05:39:34 whaq__: oh one thing, the actual path for the flash plugin is different for os2006 Aug 24 05:39:39 i forgot about that detail Aug 24 05:39:56 because if you stick it into the normal place, it'll thoroughly confuse opera Aug 24 05:40:25 or at least, i expect it should confuse opera. i didn't try. Aug 24 05:40:54 iirc plugins should be in usr/lib/browser/plugins/2007/ Aug 24 05:41:55 timely: talking of plugins, is there any chance of running the flash plugin in a separate process with a super low priority? It's making everything dog slow as it is. Aug 24 05:42:17 lle2: well err, technically yes Aug 24 05:42:38 in fact i think someone tried to do it once (no relation to nokia, just a genera linux thing) Aug 24 05:43:06 basically it means you have to proxy NPAPI calls across processes Aug 24 05:43:14 NPAPI is actually not that big... Aug 24 05:43:43 actually, maybe what they did was create a 64->32bit wrapper instead of an out of process one Aug 24 05:44:01 but practically speaking, all thunks are created equal, so the work to do one is pretty close to the work to do the next Aug 24 05:44:13 it should be out of process so that it can be killed and memory reclaimed Aug 24 05:44:29 it should be out of process so when it crashes people don't bother me Aug 24 05:44:37 that also Aug 24 05:44:51 because almost all the problems I'm seeing are caused by flash Aug 24 05:45:16 anyway, conceptually all you have to do is make some code that can do loadlibrary and proxy npapi Aug 24 05:45:31 i'd start w/ the 64=>32bit plugin Aug 24 05:45:31 makes the whole device totally unresponsive on many websites Aug 24 05:45:36 since that does the first half Aug 24 05:45:58 problem is, i'm not going to get those resources Aug 24 05:46:03 even though it'd be a huge win for us Aug 24 05:46:04 hrm Aug 24 05:46:08 well, maybe that's not true Aug 24 05:46:27 if i can show it's a real perf win, maybe i can reallocate a perf contractor :) Aug 24 05:46:32 :) Aug 24 05:46:35 but don't hold your breath Aug 24 05:46:39 I'm not Aug 24 05:46:42 i've wanted out of process plugins for years Aug 24 05:47:17 atm, a slightly more immediate problem is that microb's npapi doesn't offer wmode Aug 24 05:47:39 * timely wonders if anyone has noticed Aug 24 05:48:33 https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?ctx=%67mail&hl=en&answer=62374 Aug 24 05:48:36 is so unhelpful Aug 24 05:49:25 it's just that the device is pretty solid in normal use with flash disabled (tens of days of uptime) Aug 24 05:50:43 you must have access to a power cable Aug 24 05:51:03 the only device i have like that w/ good uptime is a 770 on my desk at work Aug 24 05:51:09 and it runs 2005 Aug 24 05:51:11 uh, it's a multimedia computer, of course it's connected to wall socket Aug 24 05:51:19 * timely rotfl Aug 24 05:51:45 * timely sighs Aug 24 05:51:59 i deleted all my trash, and in the time it took to do that, i got 2 new messages in my trash Aug 24 05:53:50 timely: ok, i don't have a 770. i posted that link cause someone was looking for it earlier. Aug 24 05:54:12 whaq__: yeah, i understand Aug 24 05:55:20 hrm, my 770 thinks it's 9:54am Aug 24 05:55:26 too bad my mac tells me it's 8:55am Aug 24 05:55:52 770 is more advanced than your mac Aug 24 05:56:03 my n800 thinks it's cool Aug 24 05:56:04 and i concur with it. Aug 24 05:56:20 the 770 thinks it's a vista box Aug 24 05:57:00 it also thinks that the top left icon in the task navigator will run opera Aug 24 05:57:19 little does it know that i intend to secretly replace that with microb Aug 24 05:57:43 * timely wonders what portion of the channel will recognize the allusion Aug 24 05:57:43 hmm, it has only 64MB, the size of that concept won't fit Aug 24 05:57:51 you're making it a bi Aug 24 05:58:15 hermabrowdite Aug 24 05:58:51 hrm: note to webmaster for browser.garage: site looks awful in opera8 Aug 24 05:59:21 oh right, that was the "you need js enabled if you want the site to have css" Aug 24 05:59:23 * timely sighs Aug 24 05:59:28 i tried fixing that once and gave up Aug 24 06:00:02 timely: do you think it would be possible to make tapping on links work so that while the pen is down, you could "aim" it at the right link, highlighting the one that would be clicked when the pen is lifted? Aug 24 06:00:28 maybe Aug 24 06:00:37 we need to do something like that anyway for thumb support in the future Aug 24 06:00:55 i think the plan is to spend a significant amount of time working on that Aug 24 06:01:14 IT OS can benefit greatly from gestures and kinetic scrolls Aug 24 06:01:57 might be interesting trying to differentiate a pan from aim&click Aug 24 06:02:12 whaq__: i have a headache already Aug 24 06:02:15 please don't give me another Aug 24 06:02:33 panning and spatial navigation are two of the biggest headaches this stupid platform have given me Aug 24 06:02:55 whaq__: it os might benefit from such things Aug 24 06:03:02 but web browsers for devices w/ a single button Aug 24 06:03:07 and no working keyboard Aug 24 06:03:28 really can't deal with people stealing input that web pages will actually handle in their own creative ways Aug 24 06:03:38 e.g. google maps wants all your gestures and right clicks Aug 24 06:03:46 docs and spreadsheets do too Aug 24 06:03:52 google reader even wants your scroll wheel Aug 24 06:03:54 in its own javascript window Aug 24 06:04:09 ? Aug 24 06:04:18 maybe panning should only happen when it's really a swipe, a high speed movement over a substantial part of the screen Aug 24 06:04:31 panning should just die Aug 24 06:04:58 yup, put the flash in the pan while it's burned Aug 24 06:05:01 what if i'm playing a web game that does something based on speed Aug 24 06:05:08 lle2: with pleasure Aug 24 06:05:37 * timely grumbles Aug 24 06:05:43 Unable to install microb-browser Aug 24 06:05:46 Packages missing: Aug 24 06:05:56 hildon-libs0 >= 0.12.24-3 Aug 24 06:05:56 hildon-libs0 >= 0.12.24-3 Aug 24 06:06:01 [ Close ] Aug 24 06:06:33 * timely kicks romaxa Aug 24 06:06:42 he's always trying to force me to upgrade to the latest IT OS Aug 24 06:06:50 first he tried to make me get IT OS 4.2007 Aug 24 06:07:03 when i was perfectly happy w/ IT OS 3.2007 Aug 24 06:07:50 now he wants me to get 3.2006 Aug 24 06:08:00 when i'm perfectly happy w/ 2.2006 Aug 24 06:08:27 actually, it's not so much that i'm happy w/ what i have, but that i have so many installed applications, that i'm not considering migrating Aug 24 06:09:15 btw, did anyone recognize the picture I used for microb/2006? Aug 24 06:09:53 it's interesting that people can interchange 'happiness' and 'settling.. contentment' Aug 24 06:09:59 the cost to improve is too much for me Aug 24 06:14:47 it's very simple. if it's working, don't break it Aug 24 06:15:16 i use windows 2000 on my pc. i use osx 10.3.9 on my mac Aug 24 06:16:57 oh whoops Aug 24 06:17:08 well, that explains why there's no picture on planet.maemo Aug 24 06:17:13 * timely forgot to fix the relative link Aug 24 06:20:45 the only way to get people to use newer version of your software is by making your previous version so bad they are desperate to upgrade Aug 24 06:20:48 anyway, as a warning for people who don't read wiki.maemo.org carefully, bugs.maemo.org will be shifting dramatically over the weekend Aug 24 06:24:29 if you happen to be set to watch everyone (no one should do that), or have managed to vote for a lot of bugs or cc yourself to a lot of bugs, you /might/ want to change your mail preferences to not get bugmail for things w/o comments Aug 24 06:32:15 hi Aug 24 06:34:20 I am writting a home applet that needs input. Is it possibe to move the applet up to the top of the screen, when keyboard appears (as applications behave)? Aug 24 06:42:06 mornin' Aug 24 06:43:42 latzko: I don't think so (I'm not 100% sure though) Aug 24 06:44:16 hm, I am afraid of that too Aug 24 06:44:41 latzko you could just put the text field in a dialog. Aug 24 06:44:54 home applets currently can't unfortunately move. Aug 24 06:45:12 like that. Aug 24 06:45:27 I see. thanks Aug 24 06:50:59 does anyone know where i can tell my own .desktop entry in /usr/share/applications/* to not(!) appear below the folder 'Extras' ?? Aug 24 06:51:44 best would be to put the entry to the top - where skype is! Aug 24 06:54:05 dubdibdub: /etc/othersmenu, iirc Aug 24 06:55:34 let's see.... Aug 24 06:55:55 skype got no entry there... Aug 24 06:56:57 roope: so the google search applet is just broken if you have it in the bototm half of the screen? :) Aug 24 06:57:58 timely: w00t?? Aug 24 06:58:24 you can type the text just fine and press enter to start the search :) Aug 24 07:00:33 dubdibdub: eh? Aug 24 07:00:55 cannot believe google applet doesnt work down there Aug 24 07:02:14 another q: when I build the interface for the applet in hildon_home_applet_lib_initialize (), every widget appears for the first time like gtk_widget_show:_all () was called but I do not want that. why is this? Aug 24 07:02:54 kulve: do you have another idea where it could be?? just tried to copy 1100_filemanager.desktop to 1010_myapp.desktop and changed the Name entry to Test => doesnt work Aug 24 07:03:03 dubdibdub: i'm too lazy to test from here Aug 24 07:03:08 besides, i need to go to work Aug 24 07:03:13 but i'm going to file a planet bug first Aug 24 07:03:57 timely: have a lot of f** Aug 24 07:04:03 dubdibdub: those are links and the number should state the position Aug 24 07:04:22 smaller the number the higher it is. Again, iirc.. Aug 24 07:04:52 kulve: ls -la...... i'm too stupid... pebkac... sorry Aug 24 07:07:48 well, I tried, google applet works down there but keyboard covers it when typing :) Aug 24 07:08:32 latzko: use the thumb keyboard and it will cover the rest too ;) Aug 24 07:08:53 now i have a softlink to my .desktop file in the others-menu. even with the same owner/group - but my-app is still below the folder 'Extras'... :( Aug 24 07:08:55 kulve, sure :) Aug 24 07:09:12 dubdibdub: hmm. Aug 24 07:09:17 there was some update command.. Aug 24 07:09:39 hmm.. maybe there wasn't.. Aug 24 07:09:57 i'll try to reboot it... Aug 24 07:11:52 * timely files bug 1900 :) Aug 24 07:11:52 <_Monkey> Bug 1900 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1900 Aug 24 07:16:14 kulve: after a reboot it is still beyond 'Extras' Aug 24 07:17:53 i also cannot find anything menu-related via gconftool-2 -R / Aug 24 07:18:51 sorry, I can't help you more about that.. Maybe there's a conf file or something? Aug 24 07:19:27 wouldn't have asked if i would not have already looked for ;) Aug 24 07:19:39 so i'll let it... Aug 24 07:21:20 kulve: thanks anyway Aug 24 07:58:49 huomenta Aug 24 08:00:53 hello tigert Aug 24 08:01:12 btw, in case people are curious about the shirt they're receiving, there should be a picture of one on planet Aug 24 08:01:38 i suppose it depends how often planet polls the browser feed :) Aug 24 08:01:55 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/news.html for people who are impatient Aug 24 08:02:30 tigert: btw, i hope you don't mind, you're mentioned in #5, which will still be visible for the weekend Aug 24 08:02:37 although it should disappear sometime next week Aug 24 08:02:56 #5? Aug 24 08:03:45 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/5/ Aug 24 08:03:56 i make my urls very easy to write and guess Aug 24 08:04:10 but absolutely meaningless w/o reading :) Aug 24 08:07:24 oh darn Aug 24 08:07:26 * timeless curses Aug 24 08:08:40 note to self: be sure that the dates for blog entries are reasonable Aug 24 08:19:59 good morning Aug 24 09:28:56 morning Aug 24 09:28:57 <_Monkey> aloha Aug 24 09:29:16 _Monkey: sod off you robotic ape Aug 24 09:29:17 <_Monkey> matmo: what? Aug 24 09:29:31 _Monkey: you heard me Aug 24 09:29:32 <_Monkey> matmo: excuse me? Aug 24 09:30:59 anyone have connection probs on 2007HE? Aug 24 09:31:08 (network) Aug 24 09:36:13 the "old" he? or is there a new one Aug 24 09:36:17 matmo: grumpy today i see Aug 24 09:36:28 new when? Aug 24 09:36:37 oh, ok, off to check... Aug 24 09:36:43 mh, 2007 Hacker Edition, whats different to the consumer version? Aug 24 09:36:59 consumer version of what? Aug 24 09:37:06 it os 2007 runs on n800s Aug 24 09:37:10 2007 he runs on 770s Aug 24 09:37:19 ah, i see, ok Aug 24 09:37:27 thought there are two versions now for n800 Aug 24 09:37:34 it's goodstuff[tm] Aug 24 09:37:35 * greygusb gets first coffee Aug 24 09:37:38 there are 4 versions of 2007 for n800 Aug 24 09:38:13 all the updates of the 2007 os i assume Aug 24 09:38:34 well, technically 5: 0.2007 (collector's edition), 1.2007 (general release), 2.2007 (first bugfix), 3.2007 (first feature fix), 4.2007 (flash9) Aug 24 09:38:44 remind me, where to get HE? Aug 24 09:38:50 google? Aug 24 09:38:50 <_Monkey> i think google is my friend Aug 24 09:39:28 _monkey: google is also \you should make it your friend too Aug 24 09:39:28 <_Monkey> okay, timeless. Aug 24 09:39:30 nm, found the post on ITT Aug 24 09:39:36 so, now i bought yet another usb hub, i just hope this one works without drawing power from the host Aug 24 09:40:04 _monkey literal google Aug 24 09:40:04 <_Monkey> timeless: google =is= _Monkey's friend or you should make it _Monkey's friend too Aug 24 09:40:19 _monkey literal google Aug 24 09:40:19 <_Monkey> timeless: google =is= your friend or you should make it _Monkey's friend too Aug 24 09:40:38 _monkey literal google Aug 24 09:40:39 <_Monkey> timeless: google =is= your friend or you should make it \your friend too Aug 24 09:40:52 _monkey google =~ s/or/and/ Aug 24 09:40:52 <_Monkey> OK, timeless Aug 24 09:40:56 google? Aug 24 09:40:56 <_Monkey> rumour has it google is your friend and you should make it \ friend too Aug 24 09:41:09 hrm, that's wrong Aug 24 09:41:29 google? Aug 24 09:41:30 <_Monkey> google is probably your friend and you should make it my friend too Aug 24 09:41:37 _monkey literal google Aug 24 09:41:38 <_Monkey> timeless: google =is= your friend and you should make it _Monkey's friend too Aug 24 09:42:08 google? Aug 24 09:42:08 <_Monkey> hmmm... google is my friend and you should make it \ friend too Aug 24 09:42:17 * timeless cries Aug 24 09:42:41 :) Aug 24 09:43:28 keesj: sry, misunderstood, the latest one, aka, the one I installed a week or so ago Aug 24 09:43:55 timeless: not grumpy! Just insulting Monkey for the fun of it :-) Aug 24 09:45:57 timeless: I was just using the microb today to catch the news and thought that your idea about the firefox default popup scroller might be pretty good scrolling method as well (from the last time we discussed it). But for now, could it be possible by any means to add support for users to reconfigure dpad up and down (or zoom + - ) to act as page up / down? Aug 24 09:46:40 maybe Aug 24 09:47:00 i'm hoping to eventually find someone to make either an overlay or another application or something Aug 24 09:47:06 which would sit on right/left edge of screen Aug 24 09:47:08 It would really help browsing the pages, as the current implementation of the finger scroll seems to be at least on my device too eager to make a 'click' instead of actually dragging the content Aug 24 09:47:12 and act as a virtual mouse Aug 24 09:47:24 i shoudl draw a picture of what i want Aug 24 09:47:32 maybe you can find someone to do it :) Aug 24 09:48:09 Anyway, the keyboard method should be pretty easy to implement. It could even be something that would have to be set on in the about:config, but some method of redirecting the keys would be really great Aug 24 09:49:00 although, I would prefer it to be in the normal options / preferences dialog. Aug 24 09:49:21 first i need to get romaxa to fix snav so it doesn't clobber snav.disabled each time you launch the browser :) Aug 24 09:49:22 It might be for example a toggle for either having the zoom keys as zoom or for page up / down. Aug 24 09:49:41 what's snav? Aug 24 09:49:48 spatialnav Aug 24 09:49:52 the stupid behavior for long press of the arrow keys Aug 24 09:50:05 ahh.. that onw Aug 24 09:50:19 By the way, could you make that move faster while you are at it? Aug 24 09:50:36 at the moment it's so slowly moving that there's really no use of it. Aug 24 09:50:52 maybe put it for 4x speed of the current speed. Aug 24 09:52:08 pupnik, ??? Aug 24 09:52:09 <_Monkey> pupnik, is there a nice tutorial for packaing for the N800 Aug 24 09:52:21 wtf Aug 24 09:52:25 wtf Aug 24 09:52:42 can someone kill the monkey? Aug 24 09:52:45 monkey if i ever get a access password for you... Aug 24 09:52:54 lol Aug 24 09:53:09