**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Aug 26 02:59:57 2007 Aug 26 03:00:04 but you can run it on the 770 Aug 26 03:00:13 Microb need a big space ! Aug 26 03:00:23 I try ekim|irc_ Aug 26 03:01:09 it is 5 AM here ! Aug 26 03:01:23 and I try to install microb :) Aug 26 03:01:29 amazing for me Aug 26 03:06:03 Anyone know if there is a setting to get the email app on the n800 to validate SSL certificates? Aug 26 03:06:34 That and I'm having some SMTP auth problems if anyone has ran into problems in this area before :) Aug 26 03:07:40 re Aug 26 03:33:47 How can I automatically start the ssh server when the device turns on Aug 26 03:41:02 <_bugs_maemo> ekim|irc_: any decent .deb would add the proper scripts to the startup system Aug 26 03:41:16 Hmm Aug 26 03:41:19 I am trying to install this Aug 26 03:41:21 http://mummola.cs.tut.fi/n770/files/busybox_1.01-4.osso10-ipv6.etc1_armel.deb Aug 26 03:41:33 and it says something about not being able to repalce wget Aug 26 03:41:41 but /usr/bin/wget doens't exist Aug 26 03:42:05 <_bugs_maemo> anyone here familiar w/ impl details of the maemo platform? Aug 26 03:42:21 <_bugs_maemo> specifically, what handles long press? is it the window manager? task navigator? Aug 26 03:43:11 here is the full error message Aug 26 03:43:11 http://pastie.caboo.se/91017 Aug 26 03:43:15 how do I fix this ? Aug 26 03:46:09 come on guys Aug 26 03:46:10 anyone ? Aug 26 04:10:22 so, the phone is paired and connected to my n800. I went through the cellular provider setup wizard, but it's not showing up in my list of connections. any suggestionss? Aug 26 04:11:32 when I click the globe at the top and choose 'select connection' all I see is wifi networks Aug 26 04:15:43 wow Aug 26 04:15:58 how cool is it that I can have nmap/aircrack/kismet ... in the palm of my hand Aug 26 04:16:02 linux ftw!! Aug 26 04:16:22 Ohh ... and dick-richardson ...I don't have a bluetooth phone...nor a data plan ... so I can't help you Aug 26 04:16:23 sorry Aug 26 04:16:41 ekim|irc_: np, just trying to figure out if there's something I'm missing :/ Aug 26 04:16:56 not sure Aug 26 04:16:57 Anyone remember the US college that MS uses for all its speech software Aug 26 04:17:03 I still get get my email to work :) Aug 26 04:17:11 No... Aug 26 04:17:13 what college ? Aug 26 04:17:20 for what ? Aug 26 04:17:27 For text-to-speech software and the like Aug 26 04:20:41 wow Aug 26 04:20:50 I can install nginx Aug 26 04:21:02 this is one of those "Because you can" things Aug 26 04:24:17 does it need to be set in the control panel under phone? or bluetooth? both? Aug 26 04:31:30 <_bugs_maemo> dick-richardson: what's phone say in control panel? Aug 26 04:31:44 <_bugs_maemo> it needs to match the name of your paired phone Aug 26 04:32:07 <_bugs_maemo> if it's "none", you won't be able to select your connections in the connection thing Aug 26 04:32:10 there's nothing there...it doesn't see the phone Aug 26 04:32:15 <_bugs_maemo> err Aug 26 04:32:21 <_bugs_maemo> well, um, "new" :) Aug 26 04:32:35 yeah, it doesn't find it Aug 26 04:32:47 <_bugs_maemo> um, what kind of phone? Aug 26 04:33:13 samsung sch-u420 Aug 26 04:35:13 How can I setup gmail with the built-in mail app Aug 26 04:35:54 <_bugs_maemo> ekim|irc_: you're nuts :) Aug 26 04:35:58 <_bugs_maemo> but gmail supports pop3 Aug 26 04:36:07 <_bugs_maemo> and the built-in mail app claims to support pop3 Aug 26 04:36:16 <_bugs_maemo> a match made in **** Aug 26 04:36:32 are you implying that the build in mail app sucks **** Aug 26 04:36:52 <_bugs_maemo> nah, the word i had in mind was a relative of heaven Aug 26 04:37:00 <_bugs_maemo> i'd just go out and say what you're thinking :) Aug 26 04:37:14 What do you use for email Aug 26 04:37:16 if anything Aug 26 04:37:17 <_bugs_maemo> gmail Aug 26 04:37:27 I want to use a client Aug 26 04:37:32 if you were to use a client...what would it be Aug 26 04:37:35 I have claws mail Aug 26 04:37:39 <_bugs_maemo> i'd kill myself Aug 26 04:37:56 <_bugs_maemo> before my client killed itself Aug 26 04:38:07 <_bugs_maemo> You are currently using 2789 MB (96%) of your 2892 MB Aug 26 04:38:18 :) Aug 26 04:38:21 well mine says Aug 26 04:38:39 you are using 36 MB of 2892 (0%) Aug 26 04:38:52 No...im not crazy...its a new account :) Aug 26 04:38:53 <_bugs_maemo> 1 - 100 of 546213 Aug 26 04:38:54 <_Monkey> -54621299 Aug 26 04:39:02 * _bugs_maemo eyes _bugs_maemo Aug 26 04:39:05 * _bugs_maemo eyes _Monkey Aug 26 04:39:14 gotta agree with bugs...better to use the web Aug 26 04:39:14 I tried using the built-in app..only nice thing was notification - formatting was hell. just use the notifier Aug 26 04:39:15 so I assume this phone won't work? Aug 26 04:39:26 <_bugs_maemo> dick-richardson: i can't find anything about it Aug 26 04:39:54 <_bugs_maemo> dick-richardson: when i'm done rearranging this bug tracker, file a bug :) Aug 26 04:40:37 <_bugs_maemo> dick-richardson: when i'm done rearranging this bug tracker, file a bug :) Aug 26 04:40:49 I cant even get it to download my mail Aug 26 04:41:16 _bugs_maemo: I can do that...how confident are you that it will work Aug 26 04:41:33 I just got it today and can take it back if need be Aug 26 04:43:32 ekim|irc_: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=587&highlight=gmail Aug 26 04:43:45 ekim|irc_: that will help if you decide you want to do it anyway Aug 26 04:44:50 ekim|irc_: is that a gmail account you are talking about? Aug 26 04:47:46 I want to use claws mail Aug 26 04:47:52 nevermind Aug 26 04:47:53 I got it Aug 26 04:48:56 claws mail works beautifully Aug 26 04:49:02 is that a word... Aug 26 04:49:07 I think so yeah Aug 26 04:49:16 <_bugs_maemo> dick-richardson: we have people who expense buying phones to fix compatibility Aug 26 04:49:44 _bugs_maemo: ok, so you'd be comfortable keeping it Aug 26 04:52:43 Ok guys , im going to sleep Aug 26 04:52:43 later Aug 26 04:52:55 <_bugs_maemo> oh, if i just bought the phone and could return it, and i cared about my n800 Aug 26 04:53:03 <_bugs_maemo> i'd file the bug and return the phone :) Aug 26 05:05:40 yeah, I certainly care about the n800 more than the phone, but if it will work (even if it takes a couple weeks) I'll hang on to it Aug 26 05:06:11 _bugs_maemo: where would I file a bug report? Aug 26 05:06:59 <_bugs_maemo> dick-richardson: i haven't made that component yet :( Aug 26 05:07:14 <_bugs_maemo> it'd be bugs.maemo.org product=Connectivity component=Phone Aug 26 05:07:20 <_bugs_maemo> but well, i guess i should do that now... Aug 26 05:08:05 _bugs_maemo: no rush, I'll post it tomorrow Aug 26 05:08:39 take it easy, have a beer :D Aug 26 05:15:22 <_bugs_maemo> dick-richardson: file the bug Aug 26 05:15:32 <_bugs_maemo> hold on actually Aug 26 05:15:38 <_bugs_maemo> you using 4.2007? 5.2007? Aug 26 05:18:24 <_bugs_maemo> https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Connectivity&format=guided&version=3.x&rep_platform=ARM&op_sys=Linux Aug 26 05:18:28 <_bugs_maemo> use that link to file your bug Aug 26 05:31:10 I'm using 5.2007 Aug 26 05:32:50 * _bugs_maemo nods Aug 26 05:33:07 <_bugs_maemo> it occurred to me that the question wasn't very useful, you're lumped into 3.x for now Aug 26 05:33:16 <_bugs_maemo> but do include a note that you're using 5.2007 in one of the fields Aug 26 05:33:28 <_bugs_maemo> if possible, please include the exact firmware version for your phone Aug 26 05:33:30 <_bugs_maemo> (google) Aug 26 05:35:07 <_bugs_maemo> if you happen to have other devices that can/can't pair w/ them, they'd also be good datapoints Aug 26 05:35:15 <_bugs_maemo> s/them/it/ Aug 26 05:35:15 _bugs_maemo meant: if you happen to have other devices that can/can't pair w/ it, they'd also be good datapoints Aug 26 05:35:42 I have paired a holux gps receiver to it Aug 26 05:37:19 5.2007 was the release w/skype, right? Aug 26 05:42:46 _bugs_maemo: it's bug #1904...you have a sec to make sure it looks right? Aug 26 05:42:46 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1904 Aug 26 05:42:47 <_Monkey> Bug 1904 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1904 Aug 26 05:50:04 dick-richardson: in bluetooth what icon does your phone have? Aug 26 05:50:09 hrm Aug 26 05:50:16 um, i suppose i should give you some samples... Aug 26 05:50:18 i need to go Aug 26 05:50:23 i'll be back in ~90mins Aug 26 05:50:29 anyway, i'm almost done reorging bugzilla Aug 26 05:50:41 i kindly ask people not to file bugs in components not listed in the reorg pages Aug 26 05:50:48 as i'll just have to move them later Aug 26 05:52:49 it's got a little computer behind the bluetooth logo Aug 26 05:52:54 especially don't file bugs in applications:utilties, that's been replaced by applications:{whichever} Aug 26 05:53:03 hrm, that's probably the problem Aug 26 05:53:22 anyway, i'll be back later to help you report the exact filename or something Aug 26 05:53:48 kk Aug 26 06:45:40 Has anyone been able to order a replacement N800 stylus from Nokia ever? Aug 26 07:11:27 Wow, talkative bunch Aug 26 07:11:41 So, anyone heard any good jokes lately? Aug 26 07:17:19 dick-richardson: ok, i'm back Aug 26 07:17:23 so, things to do: Aug 26 07:17:38 1. get the specific firmware version from your phone Aug 26 07:17:46 2. get the phone to indicate which bluetooth profiles it supports Aug 26 07:17:59 3. ask the n800 to tell you what it knows about the bluetooth device Aug 26 07:18:09 4. lemme see if i can find the icon info Aug 26 07:20:17 ekim|irc_: looks like adria is in sardine, at least, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/osso-themes-2.0.11/usr/share/themes/default/images/ looks an awful like adria Aug 26 07:21:02 hello Aug 26 07:21:03 <_Monkey> niihau, sbz Aug 26 07:21:08 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/osso-themes-2.0.11/debian/copyright Aug 26 07:21:15 ekim|irc_: note the copyright statement Aug 26 07:21:36 in fact, that pretty much precludes me including it in my cross reference Aug 26 07:21:58 pretty nasty license, but hey, i didn't write it :) Aug 26 07:22:37 there is a way to admin the n800 via ssh with usb wire ? because the wifi connection is to low to transfert :/ Aug 26 07:22:47 sbz: yes Aug 26 07:22:54 you need to read some wiki docs about usbnet Aug 26 07:23:09 do you have a link ? Aug 26 07:23:43 no, you have google? Aug 26 07:23:50 dick-richardson: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/sdk-default-icons-2.0/icons/26x26/ Aug 26 07:24:55 dick-richardson: browse through the qgn_list_btno_ and tell me which matches Aug 26 07:25:49 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/usbnetworking/ okay i found, thanks timelyx Aug 26 08:59:18 users ask for way too many features Aug 26 09:00:17 If only there was a feature to prevent that. Aug 26 09:04:24 someone a while ago complained about mnotify and gmail http v. https, bug 1173 covers it Aug 26 09:04:25 <_Monkey> Bug 1173 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1173 Aug 26 09:07:24 oh great Aug 26 09:07:28 there's pr0n in bugs.maemo.org Aug 26 09:07:39 and not just pr0n, but really offensive stuff Aug 26 09:10:46 <`0660> which bug is it? :) Aug 26 09:12:42 <`0660> request for improvement of the sample images provided with the firmware? Aug 26 09:14:06 1119 Aug 26 09:15:23 * timelyx waits for `0660 to load it :) Aug 26 09:16:03 <`0660> access denied :) Aug 26 09:16:20 <`0660> so it's some sort of private stuff from the admins for the admins? :P Aug 26 09:16:41 no, it's from a random yahoo.com account Aug 26 09:16:46 and it has, well.. pr0n Aug 26 09:16:53 or rather, links to pr0n Aug 26 09:17:05 i've burried it Aug 26 09:17:19 sorry, you can probably find the same pr0n on most bugzillas Aug 26 09:17:33 i haven't checked to see if it's the same guy for each bugzilla, but i have heard about it Aug 26 09:18:04 <`0660> free hosting! :) Aug 26 09:18:09 no actually Aug 26 09:18:11 the host offsite Aug 26 09:18:18 <`0660> oh Aug 26 09:18:20 they merely attach html pages that have redirects Aug 26 09:18:30 <`0660> clever Aug 26 09:18:31 it's basically a clever way of working around black/white lists Aug 26 09:18:50 at least, that's what i've heard about it, i haven't checked this specific instance Aug 26 09:19:00 which has um... something like 30 attachments of the same file Aug 26 09:19:31 i'll use a different non html aware browser (aka view-source: ) when i want to fix the files Aug 26 09:20:36 * timelyx curses Aug 26 09:20:41 849 is annoying Aug 26 09:20:50 it has no business living in utilties Aug 26 09:21:05 good morning. Aug 26 09:21:08 but, we don't have a place for it to live in yet, so i can't kill utilities until i find it a nice new home :( Aug 26 09:24:51 <`0660> wouldn't it be easier to just fix it? :) Aug 26 09:24:57 no Aug 26 09:25:05 bugs need homes Aug 26 09:25:12 fixed or not, they still need homes Aug 26 09:25:16 <`0660> cannot xterm disable auto complete? Aug 26 09:25:43 boy, the user experience of backup in os2006 sucks Aug 26 09:25:52 there is a way to do a video screenshot ? it seems osso-screenshot-tool doesn't support video screenshot ? any have an idea ? Aug 26 09:26:17 External video camera :) Aug 26 09:26:29 i have juste a green square insted of image Aug 26 09:26:29 sbz: use a for loop and osso-screenshot-tool Aug 26 09:26:35 then use ms gif animator :) Aug 26 09:26:48 erf Aug 26 09:26:53 use "sleep 5" between interations :) Aug 26 09:26:58 post the script when you're done Aug 26 09:28:10 anyone here speak german? Aug 26 09:28:20 * timelyx is too lazy to pretend atm Aug 26 09:28:31 i wish i did...i m learning it :) Aug 26 09:28:48 that might do Aug 26 09:28:50 hi melmoth Aug 26 09:28:56 hi there sbz Aug 26 09:29:02 there's a bug in "Nokia 770:Utilities" that talks about backup and german Aug 26 09:29:11 can you try to reproduce what the reporter describes? Aug 26 09:29:19 i suspect it's a localization bug Aug 26 09:29:24 or feature Aug 26 09:29:34 if i understand what he says, and can play with it on the n800 Aug 26 09:29:38 url ? Aug 26 09:30:43 bz 225 and 247 ? about the time zone ? Aug 26 09:31:25 it's about backup Aug 26 09:31:57 no, so it s nto those one . Aug 26 09:32:14 293 Restore resource is wrong in backup application. Aug 26 09:32:59 yes Aug 26 09:33:08 timelyx: I do Aug 26 09:33:30 see melmoth's bug number Aug 26 09:34:03 * timelyx grumbles Aug 26 09:34:10 there's no busybox component Aug 26 09:34:13 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=293 Aug 26 09:34:32 ok,now..how can i swtich this tablet in german ? :) Aug 26 09:34:41 open control panel Aug 26 09:34:42 hilfe hilfe Aug 26 09:34:53 find the flag (language & region) Aug 26 09:35:06 got it Aug 26 09:35:07 change the first drop down (device language) Aug 26 09:35:08 <_Monkey> timelyx: that doesn't look right Aug 26 09:35:22 die _Monkey Aug 26 09:36:08 * timelyx sighs Aug 26 09:36:23 653 asks for gestures Aug 26 09:36:25 change the first drop down (device language) Aug 26 09:36:26 <_Monkey> timelyx: that doesn't look right Aug 26 09:36:39 cool, now i can kill _Monkey whenever i feel like it Aug 26 09:36:45 bad _Monkey Aug 26 09:36:53 timelyx: I think you can close this one Aug 26 09:37:04 works for me (the label is wiederherstellen) Aug 26 09:37:12 yep Aug 26 09:37:16 can you guys fill in precise steps to reproduce Aug 26 09:37:29 that includes the os version you're using Aug 26 09:37:37 ok. Aug 26 09:37:40 i'll follow them at work and figure out which version fixed it or something Aug 26 09:40:53 ohh, i just relaise that Wiederhestellen (backup) share a word with Wiederhsen (see you again/good bye) :)) Aug 26 09:41:01 thanks for the german lesson maemo :) Aug 26 09:43:28 * timelyx frowns Aug 26 09:43:45 so, where do i put invalid bugs about products not hosted by maemo? Aug 26 10:05:04 does anyone know what the middle pin of the battery connection is? Aug 26 10:06:40 hi to all Aug 26 10:07:50 hey Aug 26 10:08:19 i have a little problem installing packages on nokia 770... "dep package for armel and not for arm" and "i need maemo package for requisites" Aug 26 10:08:58 muzero: you understand that arm and armel aren't compatible, right? Aug 26 10:09:04 where i can find "maemo" package to resolv dependencies? Aug 26 10:09:06 sure Aug 26 10:09:20 but i downloaded a nokia 770 deb package Aug 26 10:09:34 sry for noob question Aug 26 10:13:00 point on .install link when you can, it's more easier to install, link like that for example http://maemo-hackers.org/osso-xterm.install to install an xterm Aug 26 10:14:42 ok thx Aug 26 10:15:20 i dont understand why i'm missing maemo package... Aug 26 10:15:21 muzero: otherwise to resolv dependencies you can use "apt" on your shell Aug 26 10:15:52 muzero: could you possibly specify the 770 deb's url Aug 26 10:15:58 we don't understand what you're saying Aug 26 10:16:09 and if we could read the actual deb, life would be a lot clearer Aug 26 10:16:20 k Aug 26 10:17:02 i'm trying to install Cacao jvm Aug 26 10:17:03 http://c1.complang.tuwien.ac.at/cacaowiki/Nokia770Howto Aug 26 10:17:29 cacao depends by classhpath, and classhpath by maemo Aug 26 10:18:01 sbz: i don't suppose you can look? Aug 26 10:18:12 * timelyx doesn't really feel like finding a .deb aware platform Aug 26 10:18:45 http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/cacaojvm/download/testing/classpath_0.91-n770-2_arm.deb Aug 26 10:38:52 muzero: atm i'm wearing a hat that says "i reorganize bugs" it doesn't include "i speak debian" Aug 26 10:39:30 i have a newbie hat at work which says something like "i can almost vaguely understand how to hurt myself with debian packages as tko can attest", but it's not quite the hat you're looking for Aug 26 10:41:46 ok thanks anyway Aug 26 10:45:35 is itt usually painfully slow to load? Aug 26 10:51:20 It varies. Aug 26 11:28:35 hi all Aug 26 11:28:44 I think there is many Linuxers Aug 26 11:28:56 And my question is... Aug 26 11:29:09 how I can convert avi for N800 by Linux Aug 26 11:29:13 ? Aug 26 11:33:32 ZenGeist, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/videoencoding/ Aug 26 11:33:44 i use 770-encode Aug 26 12:33:11 timelyx: you still on? your link isn't working for me: http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20070531/source/sdk-default-icons-2.0/icons/26x26/ Aug 26 12:33:59 yeah, sorry, someone complained that my server contained content it shouldn't have had Aug 26 12:34:13 which means we'll have to get you browsing the file system, got a working web browser on your device? Aug 26 12:35:37 here's the info on my phone: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=1052 Aug 26 12:36:06 on the phone I just have the Aug 26 12:36:06 Supported Profiles: HSP, HFP, DUN Aug 26 12:36:06 version 2.0 Aug 26 12:36:39 ok, open web browser on device Aug 26 12:36:49 in the location bar, type /usr and tap the go button Aug 26 12:36:55 scroll to and tap in order: Aug 26 12:37:31 share, icons, hicolor, 26x26, hildon Aug 26 12:37:43 appmenu>tools>find on page Aug 26 12:37:59 btno (tap find go button) Aug 26 12:38:24 open each btno file in turn until you find the one that matches how bluetooth shows your phone Aug 26 12:38:51 kk, looking at 'em now Aug 26 12:39:43 http://erms.samsungusa.com/customer/sea/jsp/faqs/faqs_view.jsp?SITE_ID=22&PG_ID=557&PROD_SUB_ID=689&PROD_ID=742&AT_ID=73853 Aug 26 12:39:55 should hopefully get you your firmware version Aug 26 12:40:02 I'm telling you which one matches the icon for the phone on the n800 Aug 26 12:40:13 yes Aug 26 12:40:45 the goal is to provide as much information as you can in advance of someone actually getting your phone Aug 26 12:42:03 in the bluetooth section...the key...qgn_list_btno_authorized_new.png Aug 26 12:42:50 that's what I see when I click control panel --> bluetooth --> devices Aug 26 12:44:33 go to that url on the phone? Aug 26 12:44:43 no, any web browser Aug 26 12:44:46 it's instructions Aug 26 12:44:52 sorry, i should have specified Aug 26 12:44:56 kk Aug 26 12:45:34 the bluetooth profiles look right? Aug 26 12:46:16 um. sorry, i'm a browser dev Aug 26 12:46:30 i only know bluetooth profiles when i read them in devices :) Aug 26 12:46:37 np, you want software version? hardware version? both? Aug 26 12:46:41 speaking of which, the mangle to width mode really likes to scroll to top a lot Aug 26 12:46:48 http://openbossa.indt.org/canola/, really fun Aug 26 12:47:00 i take as much information as i can get, so "both" is always the right answer Aug 26 12:47:13 s/w: u420.zh09 Aug 26 12:47:22 note: you don't really need to tell me in the channel, it's sufficient to collect the information Aug 26 12:47:30 and then add all of it to an additional comment in the bug Aug 26 12:47:34 (one comment, all the information) Aug 26 12:47:37 gotcha...add to the bug...little slow this morning Aug 26 12:48:01 it's nearly 4pm here, and i've been reorganizing bugzilla since 10:30pm last night Aug 26 12:52:43 that's dedication Aug 26 12:55:00 Supported profiles with a link to the phone specs, the icon listed in the bluetooth control panel, and the s/w and h/w versions of the phone - anything else? Aug 26 12:55:41 oh right, other devices/platforms you have that do work w/ it Aug 26 12:55:47 especially linux related creatures Aug 26 12:56:05 alright, only thing is a holux gps receiver Aug 26 12:56:06 if you have such things, figure out which library/version is providing that compatibility Aug 26 12:56:17 nah, i mean, does your laptop pair w/ the phone Aug 26 12:56:20 or your desktop Aug 26 12:56:31 ahh, nothing else I have has bluetooth :( Aug 26 12:58:30 ok, i can't think of anything else Aug 26 13:04:07 Interesting Aug 26 13:04:19 the regional list is bigger than the Localization list Aug 26 13:07:40 hmm, microb 1.0.1 (per about:), microb-browser 0.0.8-3 (package) o_O Aug 26 13:09:41 yeah well, um. bug romaxa Aug 26 13:10:12 * timelyx tries to remember which things Norske/Norge are Aug 26 13:10:24 they're the fun ones, right? Aug 26 13:10:26 I presume the 1.0.1 is the less useful one, since things probably require 0.0.8-3 to increment Aug 26 13:11:01 norwegians? dunno, haven't tried really Aug 26 13:11:14 sp3000: i don't suppose you remember if we ship bokmal or nynorsk? Aug 26 13:11:23 (question's open to everyone) Aug 26 13:11:26 oh, darn, gotta rescue laundry, brb Aug 26 13:18:02 hey guys, is there a way to set Claws email to replace the default osso mailer? Aug 26 13:21:41 wee, fx decided to swap to death on google :D Aug 26 13:22:47 whaq: well, nokia is replacing claws Aug 26 13:22:50 so it must be possible Aug 26 13:23:14 you can look at how they did it Aug 26 13:23:28 don't ask me the name, i can't remember :), i think it's modest (tinymail) Aug 26 13:23:49 sp3000: so, any idea where localizations would be? Aug 26 13:24:08 timelyx: what do you mean? Is Nokia replacing the default email w/ Claws? Aug 26 13:24:25 oh yeah, i read that (tinymail) Aug 26 13:24:36 oh sorry, replacing whatever w/ i think tinymail Aug 26 13:24:45 *shrug* point is it's being replaced Aug 26 13:24:49 so it must be possible :) Aug 26 13:24:55 it's all gconf / .desktop magic Aug 26 13:25:06 * timelyx frowns Aug 26 13:25:07 Well yes, it's possible to code anything on an open platform that they're developing :P Aug 26 13:25:12 isn't no-no the incorrect thing? Aug 26 13:25:47 afaik we can currently swap mailers Aug 26 13:26:39 can? so that it reposponds to the 'new mail' shortcut on the home screen menu and also new-mail indicator there? Aug 26 13:26:49 s/reposponds/responds Aug 26 13:28:17 i'd assume so Aug 26 13:28:25 personally, i've never really used either of them Aug 26 13:28:36 the most i got w/ the old one was a bug in the account setup wizard Aug 26 13:28:56 and w/ the new one, i just pointed out that the details dialog was narrower than the message window for content that was wider Aug 26 13:29:02 that's as far as i got Aug 26 13:29:10 i haven't even bothered to give either mail accounts Aug 26 13:29:54 I've installed claws, and it acts like a completely independent standalone mail apps. It does not affect the default mail at all. Aug 26 13:29:54 whaq: do you have a 770 or n800? Aug 26 13:30:00 erstazi: n800 Aug 26 13:30:11 whaq: ok, nevermind Aug 26 13:30:18 erstazi: ok Aug 26 13:30:25 I was going to say something pertaining to OS2006 but I don't know if it holds true for OS2007 Aug 26 13:31:00 erstazi: i wouldn't mind knowing that, do share please Aug 26 13:31:18 whaq: nah I don't want to brick your device! Aug 26 13:31:42 whaq: and if you edit the gconf and .desktop, it should do the trick Aug 26 13:31:43 erstazi: ooh, now u gotta tell me what that was :P Aug 26 13:32:19 erstazi: i'm going to set sd-boot within this week. I'll be able to afford to mess things up more afterward. Aug 26 13:32:51 whaq: well, I think gconf and .desktop take higher presedence over applications.menu Aug 26 13:33:03 s/presedence/precedence/ Aug 26 13:33:04 erstazi meant: whaq: well, I think gconf and .desktop take higher precedence over applications.menu Aug 26 13:33:31 the bot makes a useful retype monkey too, eh Aug 26 13:34:22 ok, will try that out Aug 26 13:34:39 whaq: yeah I would focus on the gconf and .desktop Aug 26 13:35:00 whaq: timelyx knows more on that information than I do (: Aug 26 13:36:32 i really don't Aug 26 13:36:45 unless timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/ happens to index modest Aug 26 13:36:50 in which case, anyone here could look Aug 26 13:37:27 yippee, lightning Aug 26 13:37:32 * timelyx considers going to a movie Aug 26 13:38:08 wonder if I'm going to run out of router ports tonight :P Aug 26 13:38:15 * timelyx grins Aug 26 13:39:00 * sp3000 waits for the kernel on the laptop to take a moment from paging and ho reboot Aug 26 13:39:12 go even Aug 26 13:39:38 Morning, all Aug 26 13:40:32 morning Jaffa Aug 26 13:41:45 is there any particular online documentation about gconf & .desktop to consult? (I haven't googled yet) Aug 26 13:41:57 sp3000: can you find a place for bug 191 to die in Aug 26 13:41:58 <_Monkey> Bug 191 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=191 Aug 26 13:42:22 whaq: personally timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/ browse through .desktop files :) Aug 26 13:42:30 timelyx: thakn you, will do Aug 26 13:42:35 s/thakn/thank Aug 26 13:42:37 i think find isn't working Aug 26 13:42:46 not sure, maybe it does Aug 26 13:43:00 oh, it's /gnome/ that doesn't work Aug 26 13:43:10 garage should, so yeah, use find?string=\.desktop :) Aug 26 13:43:26 if you're curious about a certain line, try: Aug 26 13:43:33 search?string=foopy&find=\.desktop Aug 26 13:44:05 yup, got it Aug 26 13:45:11 the sources aren't necessarily current, but there should be links at the top of each source file to something like VC Log Aug 26 13:45:17 or VC Blame Aug 26 13:45:23 which should get you to the svn system Aug 26 13:47:31 timelyx: desktop / user interaction is the closest I can think of Aug 26 13:48:27 isn't .desktop used for desktop applets? Aug 26 13:48:33 or system / general Aug 26 13:49:17 how does it affect the menu items? (Web & Contacts, in particular the email related entries in Contact) Aug 26 13:50:33 sp3000: i'll buy the former Aug 26 13:52:09 Anyone have any information on connecting to bluetooth devices (other than phone or gps)? Aug 26 13:53:37 * sp3000 gives the laptop the power key Aug 26 13:54:07 timelyx: definitely liking watching the ripple of Bugzilla notifications during your re-org. Making a lot of sense :) Aug 26 13:55:42 what the heck Aug 26 13:56:04 does ubuntu disable cad somewhere?! Aug 26 13:58:05 Jaffa: cool Aug 26 13:58:09 i'm at the sucky parts now Aug 26 13:58:28 i might actually call it a day, go out for a movie and ask for help Aug 26 13:59:22 anyone manage to install recent Micro-B for Maemo 2006 (Nokia 770) ? Aug 26 13:59:32 Jaffa: actually, instead of that Aug 26 13:59:44 for a moment there I thought there was smoke coming out of my ears but turns out it was just lunch Aug 26 13:59:51 can you look through https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi and figure out what i'm missing? Aug 26 14:00:09 so far, help application, documentation, and input methods are missing Aug 26 14:00:14 will do. Just got to get to my desk ;-) Aug 26 14:00:36 (in the middle of dramatic sorting of our study) Aug 26 14:01:56 oh, i'm looking for suggestions about where those should live Aug 26 14:02:00 i've put help into applications Aug 26 14:02:06 but documentation and input methods, um.. Aug 26 14:02:27 Documentation should either be top-level or under "Web site" Aug 26 14:02:49 Input Methods: top-level (not best), or System Software? Aug 26 14:03:33 i'll go w/ top level for documentation Aug 26 14:03:42 system software is where i was leaning for the other Aug 26 14:03:49 Agreed. That's best, I think. Aug 26 14:04:06 Anyone have Nokia 770 ? :) Aug 26 14:04:30 MCCob: i'm running 2.2006, microb requires 3.2006 Aug 26 14:04:41 i haven't gotten around to poking romaxa enough or trying to fix it Aug 26 14:04:49 what is 3.2006 ? Aug 26 14:04:56 i'm running 3.2007 w/ microb (microb requires 4.2007) Aug 26 14:05:03 latest :) Aug 26 14:05:14 Micro-b not longer require 2007 ! Aug 26 14:05:29 see : http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ Aug 26 14:05:35 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/ Aug 26 14:05:40 oh Aug 26 14:05:41 :) Aug 26 14:05:50 yes, that's for 2006, not 2007 Aug 26 14:05:55 yes :) Aug 26 14:06:10 but it requires 3.2006, and i have 2.2006, so no microb for me Aug 26 14:06:19 where we can see that ? Aug 26 14:06:20 <_Monkey> that is probably something that no one else has done yet Aug 26 14:06:26 3.2006 or 2.2006 ? Aug 26 14:06:26 <_Monkey> 3 Aug 26 14:06:39 control panel>device>about product Aug 26 14:06:42 _Monkey forget that Aug 26 14:06:42 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot that Aug 26 14:06:44 ok Aug 26 14:06:48 _Monkey that is Aug 26 14:06:49 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx. Aug 26 14:07:05 3 or 7 Aug 26 14:07:06 <_Monkey> 7 Aug 26 14:07:12 2 or 1 Aug 26 14:07:12 <_Monkey> 3 Aug 26 14:07:25 3.2006.49-2 Aug 26 14:07:26 <_Monkey> rumour has it 3.2006.49-2 is the last (final) version of OS 2006 so you're up to date Aug 26 14:07:31 change the first drop down (device language) Aug 26 14:07:32 <_Monkey> timelyx: that doesn't look right Aug 26 14:07:51 * timelyx doesn't like _ Aug 26 14:08:21 sp3000: ok, how about things like 23 Aug 26 14:08:31 change the first drop down (device language) it is for manage to install micro-b ? Aug 26 14:08:48 MCCob: how to kill _Monkey in one easy step Aug 26 14:08:57 ok lol Aug 26 14:12:37 sp3000: how do herring/sardine relate to 3.0? Aug 26 14:13:07 oh right... Aug 26 14:13:18 Jaffa, if you have time, pick a js enabled browser, load bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi Aug 26 14:13:21 _Monkey became intelligent! Aug 26 14:13:22 <_Monkey> erstazi: excuse me? Aug 26 14:13:33 erstazi: he learned how to run away from me, yes :) Aug 26 14:13:42 timelyx: heh Aug 26 14:13:48 timelyx: on a Maemo device? Aug 26 14:13:48 click each product in turn and figure out which products have versions that are inconsistent Aug 26 14:13:55 Jaffa: no, any browser will do Aug 26 14:13:57 Ah, cool Aug 26 14:14:16 ugh, not a good day today Aug 26 14:14:23 timelyx: no idea, it's all fish to me Aug 26 14:14:41 timelyx: how are the bugs going? Aug 26 14:14:48 erstazi: slowly atm Aug 26 14:14:53 they refuse to have good places to live Aug 26 14:15:01 timelyx: if you would like help, I can assist Aug 26 14:15:29 erstazi: i think at this point i'll take it Aug 26 14:15:31 a few notes: Aug 26 14:15:36 1. don't comment in bugs Aug 26 14:15:38 I need some Guinness Aug 26 14:15:40 2. before you start working, edit prefs Aug 26 14:15:48 timelyx: 23? dev plat / rootstrap I think Aug 26 14:15:50 click permissions Aug 26 14:15:58 timelyx: heh Aug 26 14:15:59 make sure you have editubgs Aug 26 14:16:03 if you don't, tell me Aug 26 14:16:10 same goes to the rest of you living people Aug 26 14:16:18 you dead people can stay dead for all i care :) Aug 26 14:16:28 timelyx: dosfstools, installer, other have inconsistencies and shouldn't be there anyway (IMHO). sdk-* shouldn't be there either. Not sure about "herring" and "sardine" in "System software". Shouldn't all the products go up to the announced 5.0 series? Aug 26 14:16:34 timelyx: btw, just curious, how many bugs are there total? (don't have to look, just wondering if you knew off the top of your head) Aug 26 14:16:46 slightly over 1900 Aug 26 14:16:50 i filed 1900 on friday Aug 26 14:17:07 timelyx: thats not bad at all considering the amount of people who use these devices Aug 26 14:17:16 timelyx: I was expecting more (: Aug 26 14:17:33 we have ~530 bug reporters Aug 26 14:17:35 timelyx: does that include back when OS2005 was alive and common? Aug 26 14:17:40 and <90 assignees Aug 26 14:17:53 erstazi: this includes everything Aug 26 14:17:56 timelyx: thats about the ratio of what other large projects have Aug 26 14:18:11 but having more assignees cannot hurt (: Aug 26 14:18:29 oh, i need to create dummy accounts for applications Aug 26 14:18:31 i should do that next Aug 26 14:19:29 hi _guardian Aug 26 14:20:36 oh right Aug 26 14:20:50 one thing i need to do when i'm done is make a bunch of the old qa contacts watch the new ones Aug 26 14:22:14 ooh, there is an "im" Aug 26 14:22:16 * timelyx sighs Aug 26 14:22:20 what a clever name for a component Aug 26 14:22:26 heh Aug 26 14:22:47 timelyx: what server-side language does bugs.* use? Aug 26 14:23:02 bugzilla = perl Aug 26 14:23:06 hi alex-weej Aug 26 14:23:19 timelyx: ah we had this talk then, I was verifying that its so Aug 26 14:25:00 well I am going to relax Aug 26 14:25:12 * sp3000 sets some vm ulimits Aug 26 14:26:31 http://xa.mine.nu/uploads/Kuvat/JPG/HauskatMuut/Windows_Vista_Aero_WOW.jpg :) Aug 26 14:28:18 roope: heh Aug 26 14:28:34 sp3000: vm as in virtual machine? Aug 26 14:28:36 Hey all. Any Nokia N800 users have time to talk to me privately? Aug 26 14:28:47 virtual memory Aug 26 14:28:55 aye Aug 26 14:29:05 erstazi: memory, such that fx doesn't dos my laptop with swapping when it goes for a loop Aug 26 14:29:18 sp3000: heh Aug 26 14:29:35 I understand virtual memory, just got my brain on virtual machines at the moment Aug 26 14:29:49 erstazi: see, sp3000's laptop doesn't have 4gb of ram Aug 26 14:29:53 easy portability with them and thin clients make life easier in some aspect Aug 26 14:29:58 so he can't do what i do when firefox wants 4gb :) Aug 26 14:30:00 timelyx: neither does mine Aug 26 14:30:04 (i.e. i ignore firefox) Aug 26 14:30:12 timelyx: heh Aug 26 14:31:28 erstazi: fwiw, on linux, you don't actually get 4gb firefoxes (2gb limit) Aug 26 14:32:29 timelyx: I am on Linux (: Aug 26 14:33:56 oh right... Aug 26 14:34:12 Jaffa/ sp3000: i'm considering moving all the tableteer stuff to their own product Aug 26 14:34:15 objetions? Aug 26 14:36:14 where i can find vmware easy-to-use maemo 3.2 sdk image? Aug 26 14:37:19 this one is latest version? http://www.vmware.com/appliances/directory/1008 Aug 26 14:37:29 AHHHH Aug 26 14:37:31 I cant decide Aug 26 14:37:34 red Pill or Blue Pill Aug 26 14:37:36 :( Aug 26 14:37:51 Thats a cdoes blue pill do anything , or is it just there to be funny Aug 26 14:38:02 undoes redpill Aug 26 14:38:08 ohh Aug 26 14:38:13 how else do you expect to get out of the rabbit hole? Aug 26 14:38:24 Why would I want to get oout of therabit hole Aug 26 14:38:28 I would never catch the rabbitr Aug 26 14:38:40 maybe he could teach me how to type :) Aug 26 14:39:19 wow Aug 26 14:39:22 red pill is soocool Aug 26 14:39:22 rabbit teaches reading.. Aug 26 14:39:25 ekim|irc_: having fingers first helps (: Aug 26 14:39:28 so thats where all those packages are Aug 26 14:39:29 it's mavis beacon if you need typing help Aug 26 14:39:44 there were a couple of competitors to mavis Aug 26 14:39:51 twust mee I kan tyez gud Aug 26 14:39:52 i can't remember their names, but i do remember using them Aug 26 14:40:06 Like regular linux packages Aug 26 14:40:09 like gcc and automake Aug 26 14:40:16 the "Good Stuff" Aug 26 14:40:17 ekim|irc_: is your speech good? you could always use speech to text Aug 26 14:40:21 Not just the safe stuff Aug 26 14:40:30 Ahh...text to speech never works for me Aug 26 14:40:30 well, mavis beacon is quite closely related to aunt jemima Aug 26 14:40:46 ekim|irc_: thats because you cannot type, try speech to text heh Aug 26 14:40:53 they both need to go get stuck in that rabit hole... Aug 26 14:40:57 although...I do like waffles :) Aug 26 14:41:06 Here we go Aug 26 14:41:08 a bash package Aug 26 14:41:08 nice Aug 26 14:41:13 they're both imaginary characters.. Aug 26 14:41:17 bz2 Aug 26 14:41:22 nice , nice Aug 26 14:41:23 * erstazi like waffles, also Aug 26 14:41:40 grrrr... Aug 26 14:41:43 I cant believe this Aug 26 14:41:56 canolia doesn't have an i18n package or esperanto Aug 26 14:44:43 :( Aug 26 14:44:45 zengeist@spectre ~ $ ./770-encode.pl --preset=best 28.nedel.spustja.DVDRip.avi 28.nedel.spustja.n800.avi Aug 26 14:44:45 Failed to get movie info. Aug 26 14:44:59 What's wrong? Aug 26 14:47:20 ZenGeist: what happens if you do mplayer 28.nedel.spustja.DVDRip.avi ? Aug 26 14:47:33 Similarly, `which mencoder' Aug 26 14:48:22 timelyx: happy for me to move #1695 to the "User interface" component? Aug 26 14:48:56 yeah Aug 26 14:49:07 don't forget to select reassign Aug 26 14:49:30 woohoo, my n800 rebooted Aug 26 14:50:37 timelyx: it's currently unassigned, so no issue there ;). What about "QA contact" (currently opera-engine-bugs@maemo.org (and shouldn't that really be an @nokia or @opera (ideally) address)? Aug 26 14:50:59 Jaffa: select the (*) reassign to defaults Aug 26 14:51:03 bugzilla will do the rest Aug 26 14:51:15 i'll explain in a blog how the reorg works when i'm done Aug 26 14:51:39 timelyx: only got "leave as new", unless I'm being particularly blind. Aug 26 14:51:56 but in short if you load https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email#watchedusers Aug 26 14:52:05 Jaffa: what's your bugmail account Aug 26 14:52:09 remember my earlier request Aug 26 14:52:20 load https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=permissions Aug 26 14:52:27 if you don't have editbugs, tell me your account name Aug 26 14:52:37 ah, no. andrew@bleb.org Aug 26 14:53:17 Bugzilla's permissions model is seriously broken in the UI dept if it has enabled drop-downs for something you're not allowed to do. Aug 26 14:53:19 ok, reload permissions and the bug Aug 26 14:53:21 Aug 26 14:53:34 Tick, tick. Ta :) Aug 26 14:53:41 newer versions show you fewer drop downs when you can't change things Aug 26 14:53:45 not sure if it's perfect Aug 26 14:53:48 but bugs.maemo is fairly old Aug 26 14:54:05 and i'm usually a fairly powerful user Aug 26 14:54:38 i intend to remove canconfirm from normal users too, i haven't yet Aug 26 14:54:59 w/o canconfirm, people will see the enter_bug.cgi?format=guided instead of what you see Aug 26 14:56:00 anyway, new qa contacts are "watchable", they get no mail of their own, but you can fill their names into the field in the email tab url to get the mail they would get according to your preferences Aug 26 14:58:05 can someone w/ microb try loading... http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/index.xml Aug 26 14:58:12 my devices don't seem to like my phone Aug 26 14:58:16 buenos dias :) Aug 26 14:58:34 hello Aug 26 14:58:35 <_Monkey> que tal, Blacksitox Aug 26 14:59:41 hey _Monkey hablas español ? :O Aug 26 14:59:54 speak spanish ? xD Aug 26 15:00:17 no, nosotros no hablamos espanol Aug 26 15:01:29 garage isn't talking to me Aug 26 15:02:03 heh, funny feature in the browser ui Aug 26 15:02:16 timelyx, de donde eres ? Aug 26 15:02:28 es que poco o nada se ingles, por eso ni escribo :P Aug 26 15:02:42 * Blacksitox tiene que entrar a clases de ingles mas seguido :p Aug 26 15:02:59 de los estados unidos ... Aug 26 15:03:07 while it's 'connecting', tap the ...um, 'go' button again Aug 26 15:03:21 timelyx, pff yo soy de Bolivia Aug 26 15:03:24 the indeterminate progress for 'connecting' goes faster each press :D Aug 26 15:03:32 heh Aug 26 15:03:34 file a bug :) Aug 26 15:06:05 * timelyx sings ~another one bites the dust~ Aug 26 15:06:53 * timelyx ponders Aug 26 15:07:02 sp3000: think connectivity would mind if i gave it a DNS component? :) Aug 26 15:15:44 ooh, i can make my own ICD component Aug 26 15:15:53 "This component is here so that timeless can complain about it sucking" Aug 26 15:16:35 heh Aug 26 15:16:55 Bluetooth for problems recognizing, detecting, interoperating with bluetooth devices? Aug 26 15:17:26 s/Bluetooth for problems // Aug 26 15:17:28 sp3000 meant: recognizing, detecting, interoperating with bluetooth devices? Aug 26 15:17:28 think i'm missing an "and" somewhere? Aug 26 15:17:42 s/, inter/, and inter/ Aug 26 15:17:43 sp3000 meant: Bluetooth for problems recognizing, detecting, and interoperating with bluetooth devices? Aug 26 15:17:57 hrm Aug 26 15:18:01 infobot: you silly bot, you don't do subsequent substs? Aug 26 15:18:05 * timelyx tries to remember how to kill infobot's\ Aug 26 15:18:24 infobot: change the first drop down (device language) Aug 26 15:18:24 <_Monkey> timelyx: that doesn't look right Aug 26 15:18:26 that doesn't look right Aug 26 15:18:37 darn, it only kills one Aug 26 15:39:25 oh, that's funny Aug 26 15:39:31 we have Rhapsody and Camera, but not Skype Aug 26 15:39:32 * timelyx sighs Aug 26 15:39:50 ok, poll Aug 26 15:39:54 is Skype Communications? Aug 26 15:41:46 Yes. I tshould be. Aug 26 15:43:06 we have Applications and Communication Aug 26 15:43:10 should it be Communications? Aug 26 15:43:51 No. Aug 26 15:44:26 "Applications" contains application X, application Y and application Z; so it's plural. "Communication" is describing an activity Aug 26 15:46:34 ok Aug 26 15:46:38 it's about time for me to go Aug 26 15:46:48 todo list for you guys: Aug 26 15:47:25 empty (nokia 770/applications):(core/desktop/hardware/ User interface and graphics and style) Aug 26 15:48:33 also nokia 770:(browser/connectivity/messaging/utilities) Aug 26 15:48:46 messaging goes to communication Aug 26 15:48:56 utilities go to applications:{whichever app} Aug 26 15:49:04 connectivity and browser are products Aug 26 15:49:11 desktop is a product Aug 26 15:49:20 core is either desktop or system-something Aug 26 15:49:30 hardware, um, good luck Aug 26 15:49:54 how do i assort my apps Aug 26 15:49:57 on an n800 Aug 26 15:50:04 all of them being in extras is annoying Aug 26 15:50:09 open control panel Aug 26 15:50:11 i'd like to make some new categories Aug 26 15:50:12 open naviation Aug 26 15:50:21 click organize Aug 26 15:50:39 bingo.. thanks Aug 26 15:52:49 fkb and vkb now live in system software Aug 26 15:53:00 hopefully that's enough for you guys to play w/ Aug 26 15:53:10 * timelyx will be back in 1-6 hours Aug 26 15:57:31 Hi Aug 26 15:57:32 <_Monkey> hi, Tahitibob Aug 26 15:57:50 little question about the N800 : Aug 26 15:58:01 are the card slots hotplug ? Aug 26 15:58:13 seem to be... Aug 26 15:58:20 not sure what you mean though Aug 26 15:58:35 ive never heard of memory cards not being hotplug Aug 26 15:58:46 can i add and remove mmc cards whem the N800 is on Aug 26 15:58:58 an mmc card that has the OS you booted too? Aug 26 15:59:14 or just an mmc with media or docs on it Aug 26 15:59:27 only for data Aug 26 15:59:35 actually either way im not sure.. i use SD... and i dunno if mmc is somehow different Aug 26 15:59:41 i know i can pull sd cards out at will Aug 26 16:00:00 and put new ones in and canola will sense and read them... as does the nokia itself Aug 26 16:00:08 is mmc different? Aug 26 16:00:27 ok, I try now Aug 26 16:00:34 * sp3000 takes a knife to a microsd adapter Aug 26 16:00:48 anyone having vnc problems Aug 26 16:00:51 I need to make a groove for a fingernail :) Aug 26 16:00:54 i cant tell which end im having problems on Aug 26 16:01:17 i cant get into my main rig through vnc even with teh ports forwarded Aug 26 16:02:06 ok a port check shows the port is closed Aug 26 16:02:47 ok, i see messages (wihtdmesg) when inserting the mcc Aug 26 16:03:20 but the N800 does not recognize it Aug 26 16:03:45 not showing int he file manager? Aug 26 16:04:04 no Aug 26 16:04:07 oddness Aug 26 16:04:23 so it senses the card... but doesnt append the card to the list of devices in teh file manager Aug 26 16:04:38 .... car is confirmed to be formatted in a linux friendly FS? Aug 26 16:04:55 FAT16 Aug 26 16:05:13 witch file manager do you guys use? Aug 26 16:05:22 it an old mmc card, 32 Mo Aug 26 16:06:45 I've noticed a bizarre connectivity issue with the n800. When connected to a Atheros (madwifi) / WPA access point, the connection is completely flaky and barely works (I can't even ping the n800 from the network) because it constantly disconnected. Then when I connect to a OpenWRT router (broadcom) with WEP, it works as expected. What's wrong here? Aug 26 16:06:51 Both networks work fine with other computers, Aug 26 16:07:32 i use the default red-zack is there a better one Aug 26 16:07:38 i want one that shows my /bin and shit Aug 26 16:08:01 openwrt is good.. madwifi is shite? Aug 26 16:08:27 well computers are a great deal more forgiving than portable hardware Aug 26 16:08:55 nothing on the forum about atheros connectivity issues? Aug 26 16:09:36 man i love ddwrt but someone in the irc channel needs to wake the hell up Aug 26 16:09:48 ive been having port forwarding issues that are driving me nuts Aug 26 16:09:50 i need vnc Aug 26 16:10:49 ah well, as usual, the head of a refillable pencil turns out to be a superior grooving tool Aug 26 16:13:27 I turned off hostapd on the madwifi network, with WEP + madwifi, same problem. Aug 26 16:13:34 I think it's a hardware issue? Aug 26 16:13:38 Atheros + n800 = :( Aug 26 16:14:11 why use wep anyway Aug 26 16:14:14 i like wpa Aug 26 16:14:28 i think wpa can be cracked too though... now Aug 26 16:14:49 setite: Only if jack the ripper can guess your passphrase Aug 26 16:15:09 * sp3000 had this issue with a few laptops that wouldn't really find an ap at one end of the available channel spectrum, moving to the other end helped Aug 26 16:16:14 ya your right... i just read up on the wpa crack Aug 26 16:16:17 i feel safe again Aug 26 16:16:39 i use wpa and mac filtering Aug 26 16:16:45 and i dont broadcast my ssid Aug 26 16:16:57 which seems to be makign my sirius stilletto angry Aug 26 16:17:15 it seems unable to see unbroadcast ssid Aug 26 16:17:21 even if configured already Aug 26 16:17:28 jack the ripper eh Aug 26 16:17:34 niceness Aug 26 16:18:57 ahh, someone's packaged netcat Aug 26 16:18:59 * sp3000 hugs Aug 26 16:20:02 so im reading that radius is harder to crach than psk Aug 26 16:20:08 anyoen familiar with radius Aug 26 16:20:16 my router supports it.. should i enable it Aug 26 16:20:45 do you have a radius server? Aug 26 16:21:00 kjbad are you here ? Aug 26 16:21:43 hrm, I can't have netcat keep listening on a port after a connection ends can I :\ Aug 26 16:22:39 radius server? Aug 26 16:22:50 you should be able to... Aug 26 16:23:02 what do you mean by radius server Aug 26 16:23:14 is it me or there are lots of issue about install manager telling an already installed package is not installed recently ? Aug 26 16:23:28 brb im gonna reboot my router to see if that fixes my nat Aug 26 16:24:53 k back Aug 26 16:25:05 lets hope vnc works now Aug 26 16:25:36 is my port forwarding failing? Aug 26 16:25:43 maybe the only forwarding working is the upnp Aug 26 16:32:00 Does anyone here have an N800 and a few minutes to spare to field some really basic queries? Aug 26 16:32:40 hmm, should we have a bugzilla announce bot for triage fun? Aug 26 16:33:03 considering the colume of changes on a regular day it should not exactly be disruptive Aug 26 16:33:07 volume, even Aug 26 16:33:32 WhisperingVoices, ask anyway, people may reply (as far as i m concern, i only have 10 mn) Aug 26 16:33:49 * sp3000 is so very accustomed to firebotspam ;) Aug 26 16:35:29 Okay. I'm considering buying an N800, but I haven't used Linux much before. How much of a hassle is it to keep upgraded, also there appear to be two expansion cards with slightly different appearances. Does this mean there are two slots of different types and I get one slot per card? Is it purely aesthetic? These are questions I haven't been able to answer from reviews or Googling. Thanks. Aug 26 16:35:39 Just two really simple questions :) Aug 26 16:36:11 keeping it upgraded is a bit of a hassle, compared to regular linux distribution Aug 26 16:36:26 you have to "reflash" the machine from scratch, and then reinstall all the application you like. Aug 26 16:36:39 plus reset things to your liking. Aug 26 16:36:50 Oh :/ Aug 26 16:37:16 I have 2 slot on mine, same card format. one external (near the usb port), another internal. Aug 26 16:37:28 external one behave funny sometimes. :-( Aug 26 16:37:48 In that case, one additional question - I use WINE to run a PC application called "Brainstorm" which I find really useful, one of my laptops. Is the N800 likely to be able to do that? I would ask if there were any Linux Brainstorm-like applications but I don't know how to classify it Aug 26 16:38:08 no, do not hope that much. Aug 26 16:38:18 i mean to use wine on the n800 Aug 26 16:38:38 windows binary are for i386, this is an arm, i doubt it may work . Aug 26 16:38:53 what is brainstorm doing ? Aug 26 16:40:13 It's an organisational software. I'll send you the website in query so I don't get hit for advertising or something. Aug 26 16:41:02 Basically you can just type stuff in headings and directories and it ends up organised. Aug 26 16:41:20 i do not know of a similar program... But may be the GPE set of tools has a similar stuff ? Aug 26 16:41:33 if you dont find it in GPE , search freshmeat.net Aug 26 16:41:41 then , try to port it :) Aug 26 16:42:05 you may try that out without the tablet, by using scratchbox and so on? Aug 26 16:42:44 Thanks, I'll look into that Aug 26 16:44:39 timelE61i: was there something you wanted to do about bugs alias=in-*? I only see one atm Aug 26 16:44:56 chage to int- Aug 26 16:45:06 done Aug 26 16:45:07 also nb- or nb#- Aug 26 16:47:04 12 Aug 26 16:48:29 we should have a wiki page documenting these practices Aug 26 16:49:09 ok this vnc shit is pissing me off.. anyone use RealVNC??? Aug 26 16:49:22 * sp3000 makes some bugspam documenting the practice Aug 26 16:50:10 0 Aug 26 16:58:02 melmoth: it would be theoretically possible to run wine with bochs Aug 26 17:15:38 Can you guys help me get flash9 installed Aug 26 17:15:45 I was looking here Aug 26 17:15:51 http://browser.maemo.org/news/6 Aug 26 17:16:05 but I dont understand where to put it Aug 26 17:19:45 PLEASE :( Aug 26 17:22:19 Is it a secret ? Aug 26 17:24:43 * ekim|irc_ is growing impatient Aug 26 17:26:47 will someone please tell me ? Aug 26 17:27:52 * ekim|irc_ is growing frustrated Aug 26 17:28:47 is anyone here ? Aug 26 17:28:50 flash9 is not installed? Aug 26 17:32:24 anyone know if there is still a gnail notifier maintained for the n800? i cant find anything but past posts about it Aug 26 17:32:43 err gmail Aug 26 17:33:15 ekim|irc_: it seems mozilla-engine support flash 9 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/browser_paper.html#s4 Aug 26 17:34:19 truent: I think you can find it in the tableteer.nokia.com site (with the N800) Aug 26 17:34:48 k i'll check it out thx Aug 26 17:35:12 np Aug 26 17:39:34 I only have the 770 Aug 26 17:39:41 also...I can't get openssh to work Aug 26 17:39:48 I instaleld both the openssh-server and client packages Aug 26 17:39:50 what now ? Aug 26 17:39:51 <_Monkey> now is probably 6.00 a.m Aug 26 17:40:13 _monkey forget now Aug 26 17:40:13 <_Monkey> timelE61: I forgot now Aug 26 17:40:35 what now ? Aug 26 17:40:37 _monkey now is Aug 26 17:40:37 <_Monkey> OK, timelE61. Aug 26 17:40:44 what now ? ... Aug 26 17:40:51 Seriously Aug 26 17:41:36 Hmm Aug 26 17:42:09 anyone know a finnkino in helsinki still showing hp? Aug 26 17:42:22 i haven't tried flash on microb Aug 26 17:42:57 i would like to help ekim|irc_ Aug 26 17:43:17 :) Aug 26 17:43:21 Do you have an n800 Aug 26 17:43:23 or a 770 Aug 26 17:43:24 770 Aug 26 17:43:43 did you reboot after installing openssh-server? Aug 26 17:43:47 kaltsi: the name of the package with apt is mnotify Aug 26 17:43:53 (i'm not sure that is necessary) Aug 26 17:44:36 I dont get it Aug 26 17:44:42 I do /etc/init.d/ssh start Aug 26 17:44:46 and it starts the server Aug 26 17:44:50 I can access it from localhost Aug 26 17:44:51 sbz ok good to know Aug 26 17:44:54 but not over the network Aug 26 17:45:04 whats the deal ? Aug 26 17:45:14 also...when I run sshd it gives me an error Aug 26 17:45:17 whats up with that Aug 26 17:45:44 there is a problem Aug 26 17:45:45 "sshd re-exec requires execution with an absolute path" Aug 26 17:45:47 what does that mean Aug 26 17:46:06 timel, tomorrow tennispalatsi9 12:30, 16:00, 19:30 / kinopalatsi5 13:30, 17:00, 20:00 Aug 26 17:46:12 doh, he left already Aug 26 17:46:29 ekim|irc_: i haven't seen it - have you pasted that error into a google search? Aug 26 17:46:40 duoh :( Aug 26 17:46:41 of course Aug 26 17:47:05 Ohh Aug 26 17:47:20 fixed it :) Aug 26 17:47:26 I needed an absolute path (duh) Aug 26 17:47:40 so instead of typing sshd , I needed to type /usr/sbin/sshd Aug 26 17:48:35 but still nothing Aug 26 17:48:35 <_Monkey> nothing is hsowing up on the protocol list Aug 26 17:48:41 I think its bound to 127.0.0.1 Aug 26 17:49:52 good grief... dropbear is plug-n-play Aug 26 17:50:59 _monkey fl Aug 26 17:51:00 <_Monkey> timelE61: excuse me? Aug 26 17:51:17 _monkey forget nothing Aug 26 17:51:17 <_Monkey> timelE61: I forgot nothing Aug 26 17:51:46 _monkey. Nothing is < Aug 26 17:51:53 nothing? Aug 26 17:52:12 btw timelE61 i'd fixed it in PM already Aug 26 17:52:34 to keep the noise down, lets train the monkey in private message Aug 26 17:52:48 pupnik, ... your right Aug 26 17:52:51 forget openssh Aug 26 17:52:52 <_Monkey> ekim|irc_: I forgot openssh Aug 26 17:52:59 not you monkey Aug 26 17:53:02 remember openssh Aug 26 17:53:04 _monkey: nothing is Aug 26 17:53:04 Hmm Aug 26 17:53:04 <_Monkey> OK, timelE61. Aug 26 17:53:14 monkey sucks Aug 26 17:53:32 yes Aug 26 17:54:12 that global forgetting needs to be fixed Aug 26 17:54:41 you know how you can add plugins to the status bar Aug 26 17:54:44 or whatever you call it Aug 26 17:54:48 how many of them are there ? Aug 26 17:55:02 infinite? Aug 26 17:55:12 you can write your own... Aug 26 17:55:23 I mean how many of them are there already made... Aug 26 17:55:33 how can I upgrade a package Aug 26 17:55:38 with dpkg Aug 26 17:55:45 how would anyone know? Aug 26 17:55:47 I want to upgrade busybox Aug 26 17:56:00 you don't want to Aug 26 17:56:05 why not Aug 26 17:56:12 there is an upgraded version Aug 26 17:56:26 but when I do dpkg -i UpgradedVersionOfBusybox.deb Aug 26 17:56:29 it gives me an error Aug 26 17:56:30 quoteth yoda: that is the path to the dark side Aug 26 17:57:12 Why not ? Aug 26 17:58:35 seriously Aug 26 17:58:36 Tell me Aug 26 17:58:49 is it possible to run Zaurus apps on N800? Aug 26 17:58:51 why does it take like 10 minutes for a response... Aug 26 17:58:53 is there bad lag Aug 26 18:00:05 I'm hoping to run Picsel Viewer on the N800.. that'll fit real nice with IT concept. Just a very capable viewer for office files (and bunch of other formats), but not full-blown office suite. Aug 26 18:00:23 i think evince runs on nokia Aug 26 18:00:54 ekim|irc_: when i don't know an answer i generally don't bother typing it out Aug 26 18:00:57 it does , yeah Aug 26 18:01:31 and no, zaurus binaries do not run on nokia tablets Aug 26 18:01:34 whaq , zaurus apps probably wont run very well on the n800 because they need to be hildonized Aug 26 18:01:41 They wont run at all ? Aug 26 18:01:46 its the same archetecture isnt it ? Aug 26 18:01:50 architecture Aug 26 18:02:30 sp3000: seems i forgot versions for docs Aug 26 18:02:57 picsel is like evince on crack Aug 26 18:03:12 drugs are bad Aug 26 18:03:44 in the good hyperactively workable state.. not the addict phase afterward Aug 26 18:05:20 timelE61: who/when is supposed to use versions? I can't resolve x.y to product releases without a decoder ring Aug 26 18:05:56 I'm not sure if that's necessarily a problem Aug 26 18:07:10 heh Aug 26 18:07:11 we can set the roadmap link Aug 26 18:08:38 year-2004 = major Aug 26 18:08:44 I dont get it Aug 26 18:08:52 why do all requests to my 770's ip time out Aug 26 18:08:58 Prefix - 1 = minor Aug 26 18:09:07 Ohh Aug 26 18:09:14 the correct ip *MIGHT* help Aug 26 18:10:40 Sp3000? Aug 26 18:11:18 could you copy describecomponents.cgi for nokia 770 / browser? Aug 26 18:11:28 ok, bourne is starting Aug 26 18:12:50 Web browser (includes Opera and MicroB engines, Bookmarks, UI, and Flash) Aug 26 18:13:25 K, i'll grab from log Aug 26 18:13:36 timelE61: hi! well congratulations - this look *so* good now Aug 26 18:13:48 I'm filing my first bug in the new configuration Aug 26 18:14:09 is there a component for xserver? Aug 26 18:14:15 qgil :) Aug 26 18:14:23 has anyone tried to run an alternative window mansger ? Aug 26 18:14:26 i'm about to watch bourne Aug 26 18:14:45 timelE61: I believe this default description is *too* thick, it scares people Aug 26 18:14:57 bye all Aug 26 18:17:03 yeaaaah i get back my opml from google to n800 without any problem Aug 26 18:40:10 anybody has an idea why the application manager would tell a given package is missing although it s present in the repository ? Aug 26 18:40:15 and even on the tablet ? Aug 26 18:45:01 brb Aug 26 18:49:09 anyone used catota? Aug 26 18:53:00 I'm trying to play a mythtv stream, but I'm running into strange error, like I'm missing some python module. Complains about call to "parse_qsl". Aug 26 18:54:51 melmoth: try checking the AM logs or try with apt-get Aug 26 18:55:38 i do not have the problem, but 3 people reported it already :( Aug 26 18:56:00 https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1094&group_id=200&atid=820 Aug 26 18:56:19 hi all Aug 26 18:56:56 i am searching for an ftp client for my 770 os 06. anybody know one? Aug 26 18:56:59 re Aug 26 18:58:15 red-zack: would sftp work as well? Aug 26 18:58:30 repo? or where to find? Aug 26 18:58:44 red-zack: http://downloads.maemo.org/product/openssh-client Aug 26 18:59:00 mh, openssh. sure..thanks.. Aug 26 18:59:24 red-zack: yeah use ssh and not ftp (: much more secure Aug 26 18:59:54 red-zack: also http://downloads.maemo.org/product/tnftp/ - all I'm doing is... using the search at maemo.org :) a tip for you next time Aug 26 19:00:35 lol. i havent found ftp things at all. my foolniss. Aug 26 19:00:45 sry Aug 26 19:01:19 _Monkey: openssh-client is the portable version of OpenSSH, a free implementation of the Secure Shell protocol. This package contains client side utilities: ssh, scp, sftp, ssh-agent, etc... http://downloads.maemo.org/product/openssh-client Aug 26 19:01:19 <_Monkey> OK, erstazi. Aug 26 19:01:40 _Monkey: tell erstazi about openssh-client Aug 26 19:01:41 <_Monkey> i guess openssh-client is the portable version of OpenSSH, a free implementation of the Secure Shell protocol. This package contains client side utilities: ssh, scp, sftp, ssh-agent, etc... http://downloads.maemo.org/product/openssh-client Aug 26 19:02:14 that didn't work ugh, its suppose to message me Aug 26 19:13:27 You could privmsg it too I guess Aug 26 19:27:37 openssh++ Aug 26 19:41:47 hi to all Aug 26 19:42:34 i have some troubles with jalimo, repository doesn't works! Aug 26 19:53:58 In the logs there's alot about palms, is that stuff still discussed? Aug 26 20:00:45 TheGame: Palms as in the devices? or software? Aug 26 20:01:23 devices, palm treo 650 Aug 26 20:12:50 Qgil: you sleeping yet? Aug 26 20:47:11 Is there some quick way to change default font size smaller? Aug 26 21:13:50 * konttori released a bug fix version of uktube. youtube videos can again be downloaded and watched with it. Aug 26 21:14:11 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp Aug 26 21:14:16 does anyone recommend a brand of SD cards that will work with n800's? Aug 26 21:17:54 konttori: do you have any media with umlauts in titles that end up in cover searches Aug 26 21:19:10 konttori: see I get http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:OKdwD5DiJ7X8_M:http://www.idsociety.org/Images/PA/VRE.jpg rather than http://www.kuolleenmusiikinyhdistys.net/arvostelut/levyt/tenhivare.JPG ;) Aug 26 21:19:26 which is amusing Aug 26 21:20:11 in ukmp I presume Aug 26 21:20:19 right Aug 26 21:20:40 Well, blame it on my msn images search code. Aug 26 21:21:23 It's kind of here we go and best of luck msn to have one chance of guessing what image user wants to see there. Aug 26 21:22:13 I get Vre rather than Väre in the ui as well Aug 26 21:22:47 Yeah, scandic characters are probably omitted at the moment. Aug 26 21:23:04 then again istr id3v1 at least is useless for non-ascii data Aug 26 21:23:44 * sp3000 forgets what encoding it assumes if any Aug 26 21:25:07 ahh wikipedia to the rescue, ID3v1 also lacked support for internationalization. It is stated in the standard that all the strings must be encoded in ISO-8859-1. But in practice, users usually used local encodings Aug 26 21:25:40 yeah. It's a bummer. Aug 26 21:26:16 apparently v2 makes the stupid mistake of allowing encoding to be specified rather than settling on utf-8 Aug 26 21:26:31 so that's bound to be implemented wrong all over Aug 26 21:26:46 yep Aug 26 21:27:11 I've no real guarantee that my files are any flavor of sane either :) Aug 26 21:29:30 Cool: hon widget that allows full screen PyGame applications to use a virtual keyboard for text input. As I'm sure everyone knows, when you're running a full screen SDL application, you lose access to the Maemo virtual keyboard. Aug 26 21:29:36 sp3000? Aug 26 21:29:36 Cool: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=71253#post71253 Aug 26 21:29:41 or javamaniac Aug 26 21:29:43 arg Aug 26 21:29:45 or Jaffa Aug 26 21:29:48 yup Aug 26 21:29:49 ? Aug 26 21:29:54 where should speed contacts status bar applet live Aug 26 21:29:57 and how should it be named? Aug 26 21:30:02 Desktop or Communication? Aug 26 21:30:11 Hmm. This is where tags come in handy ;-) Aug 26 21:30:13 and is it possible i put it somewhere already? Aug 26 21:30:17 great stuff! Aug 26 21:30:44 Instinct is "Communication" is more specific than "Desktop" for that. Name.... I've honestly no idea :-/ Aug 26 21:31:23 nigh! Aug 26 21:32:22 neigh Aug 26 21:33:00 heh, that's evil Aug 26 21:33:45 desktop has battery clock display usb statusbar items Aug 26 21:34:42 hmm, ukmp. just installed 1.62. but the app manager says 1.61... Aug 26 21:56:17 Jaffa: on services, you have vidconvert, for online video conversion, how much bandwidth did this cause? Aug 26 21:59:55 sp3000: how do i get older elements from planet? Aug 26 22:01:38 dunno, it might not keep them Aug 26 22:08:01 darn Aug 26 22:08:10 looks like my link didn't get prettified the way i expecte Aug 26 22:08:15 silly me :) Aug 26 22:10:36 * sp3000 sleeps Aug 26 22:20:08 hi konttori Aug 26 22:20:14 hi Aug 26 22:20:19 konttori: trying ukmp (: Aug 26 22:20:25 cool. Aug 26 22:20:30 konttori: appreciate your work (: Aug 26 22:20:38 thanks! Aug 26 22:20:50 konttori: do you use scratchbox to test your apps? Aug 26 22:21:00 nope Aug 26 22:21:16 only on the device Aug 26 22:21:16 konttori: you just test them on a nokia for say? Aug 26 22:21:21 oh wow Aug 26 22:21:32 you even package for them on the device? Aug 26 22:22:03 nope. I use dpkg -b to do it Aug 26 22:22:16 I do that on osx. Aug 26 22:22:33 Well, it should be as simple to package on the device itself as well using the command Aug 26 22:22:49 yeah Aug 26 22:22:56 konttori: how was iceland? Aug 26 22:23:21 great. thanks! Absolutely stunning place. Aug 26 22:23:59 konttori: I hear this all the time, of course, this makes me jealous, I want to visit Iceland sometime ): Aug 26 22:24:13 blue lagoon - thumbs up. Rykjavik - very nice small town feel city - thumbs up. Riding on icelandic horses - really cool. Aug 26 22:24:35 icelandic women? Aug 26 22:24:40 It's really expensive in summer time and quite reasonable in the winter time. Aug 26 22:24:50 I have a wife, so I am blind to such things Aug 26 22:25:05 konttori: of course, same here (I am married as well) Aug 26 22:26:32 anyway, it's also a nice place to stop for a weekend on the way between USA and europe. It's pretty much in the middle and they usually have pretty nice deals for those stopping by. Aug 26 22:26:52 konttori: I will have to remember that for my next trip to Europe. Aug 26 22:27:14 konttori: btw, I love the paste link button, very thoughtful Aug 26 22:27:58 I went straight to blue lagoon from the airport. They have a bus ride that takes you there and after the bath, straight to your hotel. That is something that every visitor should definitely do. Aug 26 22:28:11 ahh.. thanks Aug 26 22:40:10 How to reboot my n800 when it's crashed? Aug 26 22:44:37 take out the battery? Aug 26 23:01:24 hi to all Aug 26 23:02:02 i have a problem: i need libgtkpeer.so to run my java app on Maemo ......... Aug 26 23:02:21 someone can send me it to me pls? Aug 26 23:02:35 thanks a lot for any kind of help Aug 26 23:04:35 What does the button on the mic do? Aug 26 23:04:56 Native library `gtkpeer' not found (as file `libgtkpeer.so') in gnu.classpath.boot.library.path Aug 26 23:32:33 the button sends a keyboard command Aug 26 23:41:12 hi Aug 26 23:47:17 hi everyone. Aug 26 23:48:07 I'm wondering what is the GTalk application package name in Maemo gregale Aug 27 00:07:43 well, it looks like I'll have to reflash the tablet again. I can't find osso-applet-accounts or some other packages now Aug 27 00:08:45 (or maybe there's too many packages again and I need to bump up the cache space) Aug 27 00:38:00 How can I ncrease the allowed cache in the browser Aug 27 00:38:08 I heard there was a way to bump it up Aug 27 00:44:16 You can do so in /home/user/.opera/opera.ini Aug 27 00:50:24 does MicroB use the same .ini ? Aug 27 00:50:45 probably not, not being Opera Aug 27 00:53:32 Well...microB just takes over opera Aug 27 00:53:45 it changes the opera rendering engine to gecko Aug 27 00:53:51 what is a safe value to set it at ? Aug 27 00:54:02 Hey, can anyone help me find a IR Universal remote control program for S60 3rd?? Aug 27 00:54:39 Huh Aug 27 00:54:47 what does that have to do with maemo ? Aug 27 00:55:37 Not to sure, I have jsut been looking for this for the longest timwe Aug 27 00:55:40 time Aug 27 00:55:47 whats a S60 ? Aug 27 00:55:54 symbian 60 Aug 27 00:55:57 the OS Aug 27 00:55:59 Ohh Aug 27 00:56:03 What devie ? Aug 27 00:56:05 3rd generation Aug 27 00:56:05 device Aug 27 00:56:05 <_Monkey> i heard device was perfect Aug 27 00:56:08 Nokia n80 Aug 27 00:56:14 Hmm Aug 27 00:56:20 Does it have ir ? Aug 27 00:56:24 yeah Aug 27 00:56:26 I didnt know nokia put ir in its phones Aug 27 00:56:35 and there are Ir remotes for other version of Symiab Aug 27 00:56:38 60 Aug 27 00:56:45 I dont know Aug 27 00:56:49 I dont even own a cellphone Aug 27 00:56:51 I know...gasp Aug 27 00:56:58 jsut cant find the 3rd genertation software adn the phone has been our for more than a year so it has to be out there Aug 27 00:57:41 I dunno Aug 27 00:57:58 are the nokia 770 and n800 the only devices that run maemo ? Aug 27 00:59:45 how can I run the rss reader from the terminal Aug 27 01:01:50 hmm, let's see about that reader Aug 27 01:08:16 anyoen use bt keyboards Aug 27 01:08:26 the stoway.. is it rechargable? Aug 27 01:08:39 stow away Aug 27 01:09:13 My Stowaway has replaceable batteries Aug 27 01:09:18 Two AAAs in it right now Aug 27 01:09:21 that sucks Aug 27 01:09:33 Well not really, I haven't replaced them in a year Aug 27 01:09:37 i see they get alot of usage but im a rechargeable kind of guy Aug 27 01:09:48 You could always buy rechargable AAAs Aug 27 01:09:49 it just makes me feel better putting things on a charger Aug 27 01:09:59 yea those will make the keyboard tre expensive Aug 27 01:12:33 i hate that i cant find a decent retailer witht he board Aug 27 01:12:46 is yours iGO Aug 27 01:13:58 im so close to carrying a desktop sized one :) Aug 27 01:14:28 hello there Aug 27 01:14:30 bluetooth mouse work> Aug 27 01:14:32 ? Aug 27 01:14:36 hola nelson Aug 27 01:14:39 hola NeoStrider Aug 27 01:18:10 has anyone been able to get a usb keyboard working Aug 27 01:18:26 the 770 and n800 have a mini-usb port and that can easily be adapted Aug 27 01:18:36 has anyone got that working yet ? Aug 27 01:19:10 well i know that they dont run in host mode by default.. i think with r&d mode they can be.. and that there is limited success using powered hubs Aug 27 01:19:12 lemem check though Aug 27 01:20:12 whats r&d mode ? Aug 27 01:20:25 reasearch and development.. on the n800 Aug 27 01:20:32 I only have a 770 Aug 27 01:20:38 Am I out of luck ? Aug 27 01:20:48 checking Aug 27 01:21:36 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1727&highlight=usb+keyboard Aug 27 01:21:37 check out that Aug 27 01:22:20 is there a titter app for the 770 Aug 27 01:22:28 I know there is a jauku app...because jaiku loves nokia Aug 27 01:22:29 :) Aug 27 01:24:12 I dont get it Aug 27 01:24:20 why couldn't they just put a regular usb port on it Aug 27 01:24:34 its a portable device thats why Aug 27 01:24:39 keyboards need power Aug 27 01:24:43 Good point Aug 27 01:25:02 and the nokia was never meant to hook up to devices that require desktop power... Aug 27 01:25:09 the pepper pad has it Aug 27 01:25:09 http://www.pepper.com/solutions/web-devices.html Aug 27 01:25:10 i mean it suckst that it wont work Aug 27 01:25:14 but it would eat the battery very fast Aug 27 01:25:19 its like 3 times the size of the nokia though Aug 27 01:25:20 pepper pad is not a nokia though Aug 27 01:25:29 hardly pocketable :) Aug 27 01:25:34 still pretty cool Aug 27 01:25:35 Does anyone know if there are any packages like kDissert/Semantik that would work on the N800? Aug 27 01:25:47 what does semantik do ? Aug 27 01:26:10 also.. the pepper pad is hideous Aug 27 01:26:19 Yeah...theres that too Aug 27 01:26:20 it's a mindmap-style tool (http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/kdissert.html) Aug 27 01:26:26 also...the nokia runs debian Aug 27 01:26:32 the best operating system EVAR Aug 27 01:26:34 yea Aug 27 01:26:41 and the PP runs fedora core Aug 27 01:26:45 I had a chance to talk to the developer Aug 27 01:26:48 i mean the onde thing i wish the nokia did was handle video just like 25% better Aug 27 01:26:53 they are really cool people though :) Aug 27 01:27:00 oh i thought pepper was a winmo device Aug 27 01:27:05 Totally into the whole open thing Aug 27 01:27:08 No way Aug 27 01:27:24 what country do you live in setite ? Aug 27 01:27:30 why Aug 27 01:27:46 Because I was gonna ask if you have ever heard of Digital Life Aug 27 01:27:54 im american.. and no Aug 27 01:27:58 Ohh Aug 27 01:28:10 its this cool tech conference in new york city Aug 27 01:28:15 its like ces excep open to the public Aug 27 01:28:21 and about a quarter the size Aug 27 01:28:25 maybe smaller Aug 27 01:28:27 ces is open to public :) Aug 27 01:28:31 just have to lie a little Aug 27 01:28:34 define "public" Aug 27 01:28:35 lol Aug 27 01:28:44 make up a fake company name and voila Aug 27 01:28:57 BSC Aug 27 01:29:02 That sounds really professional Aug 27 01:29:22 BS Corperation Aug 27 01:29:23 lol Aug 27 01:29:24 pepper pad is realyl not that impressive btw Aug 27 01:29:29 I have used one Aug 27 01:29:30 I know Aug 27 01:29:37 the biggest pro to the n800... is the battery Aug 27 01:29:44 how long Aug 27 01:29:49 its a jack of all trades type device... and ive never had battery trouble Aug 27 01:30:06 Ohh Aug 27 01:30:09 well im never away from the charger more thatn 3-4 hours Aug 27 01:30:16 Me either Aug 27 01:30:24 I would like to pickup a spare battery though Aug 27 01:30:34 I dont think you can buty them from nokia anymore Aug 27 01:30:41 Im pretty sutre the EOL'd the 770 Aug 27 01:30:54 it seems between music streaming.. with bluetooth tethering.. fullscreen video and web browsing i would get 5 or so hours out of it Aug 27 01:31:12 i hella plan to buy a second battery just in case Aug 27 01:31:18 though i know i will never need to pop it in Aug 27 01:31:38 but when i get around to makeing this thing a fulltime mp3 player ill grab an extra battery Aug 27 01:31:38 I guess that's a "no" to mindmap-type programs that work on the n800 then :/ Aug 27 01:31:49 haha no idea WhisperingVoices Aug 27 01:32:23 Hmm Aug 27 01:32:25 Not so sure Aug 27 01:32:27 there might be one Aug 27 01:32:30 I think there actually is one Aug 27 01:35:55 any idea what it's called or how I can track it down? Aug 27 01:39:22 Hmm Aug 27 01:39:24 hold on Aug 27 01:39:26 Looking Aug 27 01:39:53 If your looking for a desktop one ... there is a great one calleed freemind Aug 27 01:39:58 But thats not what your looking for :) Aug 27 01:40:44 sorry Aug 27 01:40:45 no luck Aug 27 01:40:48 Hello all Aug 27 01:40:58 hello Aug 27 01:40:58 <_Monkey> what's up, WhisperingVoices Aug 27 01:41:09 no, I use WINE and Brainstorm on my laptop and desktop Aug 27 01:41:17 I just need some sort of mindmapper for the N800 :/ Aug 27 01:41:29 I just got a 770 and am trying to get gmailfs working if anyone has had any luck Aug 27 01:41:33 and I'm not sure if Semantik would work, it needs a lot of libraries Aug 27 01:42:19 anyone seen any links have not had any luck looking anything specific to the 770 up Aug 27 01:46:58 I already have ssh and maemofuse loaded but can't find any docs to go past that point Aug 27 01:47:29 WhisperingVoices: some red WINE (cabernet savignon) always help ;-P Aug 27 01:50:13 Hello all Aug 27 01:51:10 hello ysss Aug 27 01:51:35 Neostrider - I didn't think WINE would run on the n800 Aug 27 01:52:04 WhisperingVoices: it is not a complete emulator, but just a compatibility layer over X Window Aug 27 01:52:11 so it needs a underlaying x86 Aug 27 01:53:42 which isn't present in the N800 Aug 27 01:55:20 yeah...so, it is more likely that we see a WINECE , something that "emulates" WindowsCE ;-P Aug 27 01:55:45 not much use for my shortterm mindmapping needs however Aug 27 01:56:15 the devices are not meant for that Aug 27 01:56:53 the n800 is meant to be flexible. It's just there doesn't seem to be much software out there for that in general Aug 27 01:57:09 I guess I can always hope KML works Aug 27 01:57:19 so ask someone to make one ;-) Aug 27 01:57:25 Okay Aug 27 01:57:34 Who here wants to make me a program and not charge money for it? :D Aug 27 02:17:24 anyone have luck with vnc Aug 27 02:17:28 it keeps crashing on me Aug 27 02:17:47 i mean im on evdo.. i dotn expect ultra performance but it seems utterly unable to handle it Aug 27 02:31:26 can you guys give me some opinion? Aug 27 02:31:39 please, check out the pictures of my game on this post: http://corporatedrones.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/a-little-touch-of-realismo-or-how-a-colateral-effect-can-help-sometimes/ Aug 27 02:31:40 ? Aug 27 02:31:46 please tell me if you liked it Aug 27 02:32:15 hrmph.. why does USB-mounting the SD cards is really a sketchy exercise. Aug 27 02:36:29 NeoStrider: I'm not sure what to look for.. I notice the differences on the HUD elements. Aug 27 02:36:53 reflexes =-) Aug 27 02:37:13 The Reflex is an oldie but goodie (song) Aug 27 02:37:21 Oh, you're talking about reflection?? Aug 27 02:46:38 ysss: yesss Aug 27 02:49:29 NeoStrider: it doesn't work for me.. I don't know where the reflective surface is supposed to be. Aug 27 02:50:31 well..its something that the picture doesnt do much justice...but I will take note of your comment Aug 27 02:50:58 the reflection there is more a subtle thing to make it look more natural Aug 27 02:54:24 where does it supposed to reflect from? Aug 27 02:57:22 Anybody happen to have considered a way to sync FBReader over multiple devices? Aug 27 02:57:28 I have an N800 and a 770 Aug 27 02:57:44 One resides in my pocket and the other in the bedroom Aug 27 02:57:54 I'd like to be able to keep FBReader synced on both devices Aug 27 02:58:31 I was thinking that I could put together a wrapper for FBReader that would rsync the prefs from my desktop Aug 27 02:58:59 then have it send the prefs back on exit Aug 27 02:59:45 Two problems, I don't have a clue how to create a wrapper (other than, perhaps, putting together a shell script, but then I can't launch from the menu) and I _really_ don't have a clue how to activate the rsync on exit **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Aug 27 02:59:57 2007