**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Sep 09 02:59:56 2007 Sep 09 04:37:33 wtf Sep 09 04:37:37 why wont canola stream shit Sep 09 04:37:43 it never streams anything from orb Sep 09 04:37:46 always errors Sep 09 05:15:06 hey Sep 09 05:15:17 can you flash an OS image on an N800 from an Intel OS X machine? Sep 09 05:15:40 i ask because Sep 09 05:15:41 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php Sep 09 05:15:51 there's no intel binary Sep 09 05:16:10 mind you, i've seen a fair bit of PPC bins work fine on intel os x machines Sep 09 05:16:18 but for something like this it makes me a little paranoid Sep 09 05:16:46 also, do you need a special N800 flasher? where to find one for OS X? Sep 09 05:25:30 n800 -> flasher 3.0 iirc Sep 09 05:25:31 flasher? Sep 09 05:25:32 <_Monkey> flasher is available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com Sep 09 05:25:51 hrmm Sep 09 05:25:55 so no flasher for OS X then Sep 09 05:26:11 there's no way to flash an N800 with a file on an SD card? Sep 09 05:26:46 at least the xp i've installed on another partition will be handy for something! :) Sep 09 05:26:50 not heard of one Sep 09 05:28:18 a shame, maybe on the next IT Sep 09 05:28:37 it's a handy thing, that's how i flash all sorts of things, from my OLPC to my gameboy flash cart's OS/ROM Sep 09 05:28:38 :) Sep 09 05:28:57 doesn't take any special OS etc Sep 09 05:42:33 i doubt you could flash to a mounted filesystem - with multiboot you can easily 'flash' images though Sep 09 05:42:52 not to a mounted filesystem Sep 09 05:43:26 yes, but having 2-3 filesystems to boot from makes that a lot easier Sep 09 05:43:30 the wayi t works on these other devices is there must be some other metabios sort of software that does nothing more than 1) reading fat32 rom SD and 2) copying from a .bin file into flash ROM Sep 09 05:43:44 yeah Sep 09 07:56:19 The maemo repositories are being very slow for me today Sep 09 08:25:27 So slow it is half of the time impossible to get the indexes and all of the time impossible to install evince Sep 09 08:50:14 Morning, all Sep 09 08:57:19 salve Sep 09 09:05:23 Is there a button-only way in N800 to get to the Application menu? Sep 09 09:11:41 you mean the navigation menu? Sep 09 09:12:21 application menu being the menu specific to each application, which can be accessed using the Menu button or tapping the stylus in the title bar area (unless I've gotten the names wrong) Sep 09 09:12:47 I'm not sure what it is called. The menu where you can choose which application to open Sep 09 09:12:54 there's no specific button to access the navigation menu Sep 09 09:12:56 s/open/opened Sep 09 09:13:03 milhouse: I'm about to rant a bit more at Texrat ;-) Sep 09 09:13:16 about ipods? Sep 09 09:13:34 Mostly about head-in-sandedness Sep 09 09:13:46 if so i'd say it's been done to death... there's two sides to it Sep 09 09:13:50 That's a pity. Makes this device a paperweight if the touchscreen ever stops registering touches (N770 you can still use for non-writing things) Sep 09 09:13:58 milhouse: true Sep 09 09:14:00 i've said more than enough :) Sep 09 09:14:16 hi Sep 09 09:15:03 Hmm, my RSS Reader no longer starts Sep 09 09:15:30 milhouse: is your device screen not registering touches any more? Sep 09 09:15:34 lynoure: probably a dodgey feed Sep 09 09:15:52 keesj: fine since i sent it in for repair Sep 09 09:15:59 You can rant to me, also. :) Sep 09 09:16:09 that was before 4.2007 came out and fixed it in software Sep 09 09:16:10 Goes perhaps better into the right destination. Sep 09 09:16:19 milhouse: I have not added any feeds, just removed one of them (CNN Sports) Sep 09 09:16:31 roope: I'll send you a link since I'm hlf way through a replu Sep 09 09:16:33 yes funny how they managed to "fix" it in software Sep 09 09:17:40 yeah, i can understand the argument where they needed people to send in devices in order to pin down the fault but there must have been a point where they had identified the fault and fixed it, at which point they could have announced it and told everyone to hold off sending in their devices. Sep 09 09:18:56 milhouse: if it is a problem with the feeds, is there a workaround? Sep 09 09:19:09 do you have xterm access? Sep 09 09:19:17 keesj: the hw is still faulty, more and better filtering on sw side allows to work around it Sep 09 09:19:44 lynoure: my suggestion would be to zap your feed file Sep 09 09:20:28 As far as I know, the touchscreen fault is in HW, still, though the fix in sw makes it better Sep 09 09:20:34 keesj: previously sw simply cut off all samples that fell outside of certain limits, now those limits coul be relaxed because it does extra work to make sense of the samples Sep 09 09:21:18 lle2/keesj: the fix for the display seems to have knackered the ability to enter shifted letters on the vkb by sliding the stylus upwards (bug 1685) Sep 09 09:21:18 <_Monkey> Bug 1685 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1685 Sep 09 09:21:53 milhouse: I'll try to find it... Sep 09 09:22:42 Lynoure: the RSS Reader stores it's feeds in the file /home/user/.osso_rss_feed_reader/feedlist.opml Sep 09 09:23:33 milhouse: thanks Sep 09 09:23:39 np Sep 09 09:23:46 milhouse: dunno, never even knew of such a feature, although it's possible that the extra filtering is making things slow enough that it no longer works exactly the same. although I'd suspect the real reason to be something else Sep 09 09:25:01 i hope it's something else - it's been suggested in the bug that it's the sensitivity change, or another bug, but without any input from Nokia/Maemo we're just pissing in the wind Sep 09 09:26:26 well you just got input from nokia Sep 09 09:26:32 Woohoo! :) Sep 09 09:27:02 here or in the bug? Sep 09 09:27:04 now that I read that it seems the whole feature is totally fucked Sep 09 09:27:06 here Sep 09 09:27:15 ah... the bug would be nice :) Sep 09 09:27:19 no way Sep 09 09:27:21 ha! Sep 09 09:27:30 roope: random incoherent rant: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=74339&posted=1#post74339 Sep 09 09:27:30 ok, how about passing it on? Sep 09 09:28:32 I don't stand behind texrat's rants, btw. :) Sep 09 09:28:40 He is not really associated with our workings. Sep 09 09:28:45 I know :) Sep 09 09:28:46 milhouse: it could be that with a too-fast movement the letter is not getting enough events to detect a movement upwards, I think this is a bug in vkb Sep 09 09:28:51 Although of course everyone can have their opinions, and that's cool. Sep 09 09:29:25 milhouse: but to be honest I think the entire stylus driven keyboard should be killed Sep 09 09:29:51 lle2: possibly, it would just be nice to know if it's a wontfix (which would be bad, as it was a useful feature but understandable if it means a working touchscreen) or just a freaking bug that can/should be fixed in time for the next release (since it's not aliased to an internal bug ref, I can only assume it's not been picked up by Nokia) Sep 09 09:30:31 lle2: killing stylus keyboard... would need to see some alternatives before I can comment on that, are you suggesting something like the iPhone vkb? Sep 09 09:30:37 something more finger friendly? Sep 09 09:30:49 something more thumb friendly, like the thumb keyboard Sep 09 09:30:57 but with visibility to what you're typing into Sep 09 09:31:03 anyway, those touch screen filterings ultimately need to go. when moving forwards with more things like gestures etc., we can't have crap like that there. Sep 09 09:31:12 jaffa/roope - i think texrat is trying to perform an impossible service :) Sep 09 09:31:15 that breaks even the simplest gestures. Sep 09 09:31:18 roope: tell that to the hw guys Sep 09 09:31:40 to whom? ds? Sep 09 09:32:14 I need at least 15 samples to make anything resembling sensible output Sep 09 09:32:20 ds? Sep 09 09:32:24 daniel? Sep 09 09:32:32 he's not a hw guy Sep 09 09:32:45 hw guys do electronics and they live in funny place called oulu Sep 09 09:32:53 And this is all their fault? Sep 09 09:32:56 yes Sep 09 09:33:03 not criticising you two guys, but having some progress on a bug as outlined above is surely the reason for filing the bug in the first place... having it ignored is kind of... frustrating. :) Sep 09 09:33:07 by choosing the shitty ts film Sep 09 09:33:30 if someone posted "the vkb is going away in future" would be fine by me... Sep 09 09:33:31 well, i don't have the expertise to comment to anyone on that particular issue. :) Sep 09 09:33:45 that's why i hope it could be "passed along" Sep 09 09:33:45 but you're willing to remove the filtering? :) Sep 09 09:33:52 s/hope/hoped/ Sep 09 09:33:53 milhouse meant: that's why i hoped it could be "passed along" Sep 09 09:35:40 roope: you guys need to simply work with what we can provide, currently it means that the "sensitivity" of the ts is bad, you only get stuff about 100ms after the pen has touched the screen Sep 09 09:36:42 well, the things you are providing suck. ;) Sep 09 09:36:51 handbags! Sep 09 09:36:57 and roughly every 15ms after that. Sep 09 09:37:15 either you can bitch about it or design a UI that works with it Sep 09 09:38:03 for thumb usage it's more than good enough Sep 09 09:38:27 jaffa - i hadn't planned on getting a Touch, but I might just have to in order to be able to comment on the browsing experience. Sep 09 09:40:10 the vkb probably screws up because it doesn't grab all stylus events for a time after initially getting a pen down Sep 09 09:40:28 whatever it is, it used to work fine in 3.2007 Sep 09 09:41:51 unless the stylus vkb is going away with the next firmware release, it would be really really really nice if someone from nokia could identify the cause :) Sep 09 09:42:26 the rollmops would be on me Sep 09 09:49:32 interesting bug 1998 that someone has just filed Sep 09 09:49:32 <_Monkey> Bug 1998 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1998 Sep 09 09:50:34 :) Sep 09 09:50:50 maybe, just maybe, the device needs a super user mode? Sep 09 09:50:53 Well, files starting with . aren't also shown, so. Sep 09 09:50:58 it's called xterm. Sep 09 09:51:33 yes, i'm not sure if the bug filer realises that - which is why i think it's interesting. in some respects, what he wants to achieve is reasonable, but the file manager sanitises his view of the file system Sep 09 09:52:02 could the file manager operate in a less restrictive mode if the user has R&D rights? or would that be too much hassle (suspect I know the answer) Sep 09 09:52:11 yes. :) Sep 09 09:52:23 and yes... i suppose xterm is the answer, or an alternative file manager Sep 09 09:52:38 I can you can install a 3rd party file manager. (if one would exist) Sep 09 09:53:10 i know midnight commander is out there - never tried it myself. i suppose a third party "power user" file manager would do the trick Sep 09 09:53:32 is the source code for the Nokia file manager available? the community could hack it and re-release Sep 09 09:54:47 mind you, he's also talking about the file choose dialog which is probably a system component Sep 09 09:55:00 s/choose/chooser Sep 09 09:55:02 arse Sep 09 09:55:11 messed up my regex Sep 09 09:55:19 :) Sep 09 09:55:41 s/choose/$&r/ Sep 09 09:56:03 yeah, missed off the trailing / - you only get one shot at it Sep 09 09:58:16 test Sep 09 09:58:24 s/test/$&icles/ Sep 09 09:58:24 milhouse meant: $&icles Sep 09 09:58:33 hmmm... :) Sep 09 09:59:43 re getting rid of stylus kbd... my thumbs arent transparent ;) Sep 09 10:00:23 maybe you need to have finger surgery like that bloke with his new iPhone (ok ok I know it was only a hoax...) Sep 09 10:02:24 milhouse: no RSS feed reader starting even without a feedlist file Sep 09 10:02:26 aah im using xvkbd right now... Sep 09 10:02:51 it just shows it's starting for some time, then nothing happens Sep 09 10:03:08 lynoure - odd... Sep 09 10:03:52 the only thing i can suggest you try is use the archive attached to bug 1770 Sep 09 10:03:53 <_Monkey> Bug 1770 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1770 Sep 09 10:04:02 it is pretty fast now that i've adjusted to the smaller size of the keys -- less travel for the stylus. Sep 09 10:05:09 restore the archive - it's the entire osso_rss_feed_reader directory... as it stands it contains a feed - The Register - which will crash the RSS app when it is refreshed. delete The Register feed and you should be fine. Sep 09 10:05:28 unless it's something else crashing your rss app, in which case i'm all out of ideas Sep 09 10:06:05 i filed that bug btw Sep 09 10:07:52 would it be unsafe to just delete the whole osso_rss_reader configuration directory? Would it recreate it, like Linux programs usually do? Sep 09 10:10:45 i don't know, i'd suggest renaming it for now Sep 09 10:14:26 *prepairing my n770 for return* Sep 09 10:14:45 hope that display is not working again after reflashing ;) Sep 09 10:15:30 hmm, when I connect to maemo.org on my laptop, it's fast and works, on the N800 takes age. Same wlan, even. Sep 09 10:15:53 https or not? but I have the same feeling Sep 09 10:15:57 slight difference in horsepower maybe Sep 09 10:16:34 I also have some trouble clicking links sometimes Sep 09 10:16:53 so maemo.org and click download does not work and I have to try it many times Sep 09 10:17:12 are you trying to download the attachement from the link? Sep 09 10:17:16 I would think so, if it was not the "Connecting" part where that happens. Putting in a http request is not so much work. Sep 09 10:17:18 link==byg Sep 09 10:17:22 s/byg/bug/ Sep 09 10:17:24 milhouse meant: link==bug Sep 09 10:17:58 how about using some links2 browser with an mouse enabled xterm? Sep 09 10:18:18 and other websites come up just in 1 second Sep 09 10:18:36 compared to 3 minutes and waiting... Sep 09 10:18:41 or wget.... you should be able to download the archive over http - here's the url http://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=512 Sep 09 10:19:04 out of interest, is this 770 or n800, opera or micro-b? Sep 09 10:19:30 @lynoure Sep 09 10:19:34 N800, no idea what the default browser is called... Sep 09 10:19:42 i'll take a stab at Opera Sep 09 10:20:03 Same happens also when I just try to access the maemo repos for a package list Sep 09 10:20:19 micro-b on 770 is not supported , so that answers it all Sep 09 10:21:20 I just tried to install skype on 770 with he, it starts but them stops Sep 09 10:21:24 sounds like you've got network issues on your n800... i'd suggest having a look at bug 1636 Sep 09 10:21:24 <_Monkey> Bug 1636 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636 Sep 09 10:21:30 Changing browsers probably will not help in Application manager... Sep 09 10:24:59 is mmppl still agregated on maemo.org? Sep 09 10:25:23 any xmoto players? Sep 09 10:28:50 wlan_sleep_timeout helped Sep 09 10:29:09 cool Sep 09 10:29:22 there's a second setting - should be detailed further along in the bug Sep 09 10:30:00 Anyone with some X expertise know of a simple way in a shell script of checking if a particular key is held down? I want to add a delay to the "Eject" key on my keyboard by checking if it's still held down after a second Sep 09 10:30:34 not a clue Sep 09 10:32:30 hmmm, gah, where is that pesky Documents folder... does not seem to be ~/MyDocs Sep 09 10:32:46 it's a hidden directory Sep 09 10:33:04 ~/MyDocs/.documents Sep 09 10:33:27 ls -la ~/MyDocs Sep 09 10:35:51 Jaffa: within a single app? Sep 09 10:36:50 No RSS Reader starting even now. Sep 09 10:37:13 wierd... have you installed anything since it last worked? Sep 09 10:38:04 i don't know if it can be started from the command line, maybe that would shed more light - anyone able to suggest? Sep 09 10:38:04 According to Home it last updated at 2:38am... after that I installed xterm, dropbear ssh client, omweather and simplelauncher Sep 09 10:40:20 keesj: I want to do something like "checkkey XF86Eject && echo 'yes, still down'" in a shell script Sep 09 10:42:21 Lynoure - as the "user", just type "/usr/bin/osso_rss_feed_reader" in the xterm window, it should start the RSS app Sep 09 10:42:39 if it crashes you may get some idea why it crashes Sep 09 10:43:49 Is there strace or somesuch for N800? :) Sep 09 10:43:59 * Lynoure just loves strace Sep 09 10:44:15 strace is on the device Sep 09 10:44:30 oh, goodie :) Sep 09 10:45:47 But the windowsy reboot seemed to help Sep 09 11:13:15 Jaffa: how about using the "read" command? Sep 09 11:13:35 or worse "use and pase xev :)" Sep 09 11:59:47 hello Sep 09 11:59:48 <_Monkey> niihau, leroutier Sep 09 12:10:00 keesj: I'd be surprised if �`read' would pick up the key and the key'll already be down when xev starts Sep 09 14:24:47 re Sep 09 15:11:48 Please help me: http://tinyurl.com/2yu2te Sep 09 16:13:49 does anyone use irssi on their nokia? Sep 09 16:14:47 I use it over ssh. Does that count? Sep 09 16:19:38 same here Sep 09 16:20:14 <`0660> me too Sep 09 16:46:49 erstazi: yes Sep 09 16:47:09 if there is a program compiled for maemo, someone probably uses it Sep 09 16:53:51 pupnik_: me! heh Sep 09 16:54:06 pupnik_: how have you been? Sep 09 16:56:30 umm... 'playtesting' - no maemo work lately Sep 09 16:57:02 summer went by too fast :/ Sep 09 16:57:42 pupnik_: that's no lie there! Sep 09 17:48:16 for some reason when i start application manager i get an 'operation failed' message Sep 09 17:48:17 every time Sep 09 17:48:38 amr: have you changed the sources.list? Sep 09 17:48:46 uhm Sep 09 17:49:27 no Sep 09 17:50:01 amr: what OS do you have? OS2006 or OS2007? Sep 09 17:50:18 2006 Sep 09 17:50:27 Question for N800 users.. does your headset plug go all the way in so that the rubber part is flush with the edge of the device? Sep 09 17:50:38 aha Sep 09 17:50:46 just tried to running apt-get from xterm Sep 09 17:50:54 sources.list was corrupted or something Sep 09 17:50:56 malformed lines Sep 09 17:51:29 dsiemon: yes, at least me :-) Sep 09 17:52:08 gomiam, Do you have to push hard? My stops a few millimeters before the end. I've pushed pretty hard but wanted a second opinion before I push harder. Sep 09 17:52:26 * dsiemon doesn't want to break his new toy :) Sep 09 17:52:29 nope, I just push it in in one go Sep 09 17:52:33 it shouldn't break Sep 09 17:53:42 OK so I was just being overly cautious. Pushing harder worked :) Sep 09 17:54:33 erstazi: bought an n800 :) Sep 09 17:55:30 great, dsiemon Sep 09 17:55:37 BTW for any Nokia guys listening the N800 rocks. It's so nice to have a mobile device that I actually enjoy playing with. Sep 09 17:56:13 dsiemon: now go and install Skype ;-) Sep 09 17:57:02 gomiam, Did that. Though I have a thing about not using proprietary protocols so other than a quick experiment I doubt I'll use it. Sep 09 17:57:58 dsiemon: as long as there is no cheap way to "phone home" through the N800, I'll have to bear with it :-) Sep 09 17:58:19 dsiemon: Now, go and make a Skype clone using free protocols. Sep 09 17:58:33 derf: you mean like openwengo? Sep 09 17:58:34 :-P Sep 09 17:59:29 gomiam, Haven't had a chance to play with that yet. Sep 09 18:00:22 OpenWengo isn't P2P, though. Sep 09 18:00:59 but since it is SIP you still have POTS calling if you know the right providers :-) Sep 09 18:08:18 Whoa. Sep 09 18:08:21 Hi everyone. Sep 09 18:08:28 I cannot wait for my 770 to come it. :D Sep 09 18:08:36 Didn't expect so many people in here. Sep 09 18:09:05 they're all lurkers Sep 09 18:09:15 Oh. Sep 09 18:09:38 gomiam, Is there a Maemo port of OpenWengo? I don't see anything on their download page. Sep 09 18:09:52 Well, I would like to start development now, maybe even get my favorite compiler working before it arrives. Sep 09 18:10:01 What do I need to do this? Sep 09 18:11:07 scratchbox Sep 09 18:11:07 <_Monkey> it has been said that scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O Sep 09 18:11:52 Does this tutorial apply to 2.2 as well? http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_new_application_bora.html Sep 09 18:11:57 dsiemon: actually, I don't think there's OpenWengo for Maemo yet. I just mentioned as a fast-track option to get an open-protocol telephony client. Sep 09 18:12:04 Never mind Sep 09 18:12:07 Stupid question Sep 09 18:12:09 Found the 2.2 Sep 09 18:12:14 gomiam, OK thanks. Sep 09 18:12:34 Does the 770 have any opengl support? Sep 09 18:13:13 <`0660> i think it has some Sep 09 18:13:42 <`0660> nothing a mortal person could take advantage of though Sep 09 18:14:06 Has anyone got Erlang working on a 770? Sep 09 18:19:15 * Deformati goes insane waiting for his 770 to arrive. Sep 09 18:19:26 * RushPL too Sep 09 18:19:54 RushPL: lets try getting gdc working in scratchbox. Sep 09 18:21:29 Then make some bindings and whatever. Sep 09 18:22:25 Deformati: isn't scratchbox i386? Sep 09 18:22:44 I thought it emulates arm Sep 09 18:23:30 http://www.scratchbox.org/ - cross-compilation toolkit Sep 09 18:24:14 but it says also qemu Sep 09 18:24:16 so good :) Sep 09 18:27:24 there exists a qemu image and a vmware image Sep 09 18:28:43 * RushPL will install scratchbox from sunrise overlay Sep 09 18:29:10 RushPL: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/Maemo_2.2_Tutorial.html Sep 09 18:29:17 The 770 has 2.2 Sep 09 18:30:34 correct Sep 09 18:31:04 the only graphics acceleration available is 2x hardware scaling of screen regions Sep 09 18:31:13 * celesteh reinstalls all software after reflashing . . . meh Sep 09 18:32:10 Deformati: but I really I would be much more interested in running KDE. Sep 09 18:32:21 a stripped one Sep 09 18:33:09 QT is huge though. Sep 09 18:33:30 I agree with you, but it is hard to strip kde. Sep 09 18:33:49 I think it would be better to rewrite a de. Sep 09 18:34:08 gentoo has kde modularized Sep 09 18:34:25 basic kde can be really small Sep 09 18:34:39 rewrite which de? :) Sep 09 18:34:47 The existing one. Sep 09 18:34:53 Rewrite parts in D. Sep 09 18:34:56 Improving as we go. Sep 09 18:35:09 Might even put slate on it. Sep 09 18:35:14 Slate should work pretty swee.t Sep 09 18:35:23 Since there is no libc dependency. Sep 09 18:37:57 You can run KDE on the device. Sep 09 18:38:53 Does it run well? Sep 09 18:39:36 anyone else find that maemo.org/downloads doesnt load on their tablet? Sep 09 18:39:54 i went on the maemo.org site on my laptop and tablet, pressed downloads on my tablet then on my laptop Sep 09 18:40:03 5 mins later my tablet still hasnt loaded it Sep 09 18:45:16 amr i can test Sep 09 18:45:29 Deformati: check the kde thread on internettablettalk.com Sep 09 18:46:02 RushPL: I would like kde too, but I dunno, qt doesn't have D bindings... :( Sep 09 18:46:12 maemo.org mainpage loads in 7 seconds Sep 09 18:46:38 downloads loads in 5 (opera on it2006se, 770) Sep 09 18:46:44 hm Sep 09 18:46:51 2006se? Sep 09 18:46:55 is there a guitar tuner tool for maemo (n800) ? Sep 09 18:47:07 there is a guitar tuner tool Sep 09 18:47:12 the guy who did nethack does a reference tool i think Sep 09 18:47:16 pupnik: what about the virtual keyboard on KDE? Sep 09 18:47:19 ITOS 2006 second edition Sep 09 18:47:27 how can i tell if i have se? :P Sep 09 18:47:34 HE renamed? Sep 09 18:47:34 how do you input, if without keyboard? Sep 09 18:47:40 pupnik: whats the name? Sep 09 18:48:32 dunno eichi Sep 09 18:48:35 oh cool, installed scratchbox and try to login -> "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!" Sep 09 18:48:44 amr in xterm type uname -a Sep 09 18:48:52 you should see 770-49 Sep 09 18:49:37 RushPL, to fix that you need a vdso-enabled kernel Sep 09 18:49:40 vdso? Sep 09 18:49:55 vdso ...? Sep 09 18:50:01 Lol, RushPL, I cannot even figure out the correct downloads. Sep 09 18:50:43 clawsmail? Sep 09 18:50:43 <_Monkey> i guess clawsmail is buggy Sep 09 18:50:52 RushPL: try echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/vdso Sep 09 18:51:10 it would be more helpful if you had a url, _monkey Sep 09 18:51:11 as root, in your host linux Sep 09 18:51:11 <_Monkey> celesteh: i'm not following you... Sep 09 18:51:19 I built my own kernel, probably disabled it if it default. Sep 09 18:51:20 stupid monkey Sep 09 18:51:33 erming? Sep 09 18:51:44 _Monkey, erming? Sep 09 18:51:45 <_Monkey> celesteh: bugger all, i dunno Sep 09 18:51:51 I'll rebuild Sep 09 18:52:05 i don't really-- understand the vdso issue... in the scratchbox wiki it says you need it disabled Sep 09 18:52:14 disabled! Sep 09 18:52:16 sorry i might have been exactly wrong on that Sep 09 18:52:47 yep 770-49 Sep 09 18:52:56 _Monkey vdso is http://www.scratchbox.org/wiki/HostDistributions Sep 09 18:52:56 hm, i wonder why mine doesnt load /downloads all the time Sep 09 18:52:56 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Sep 09 18:53:20 _Monkey clawsmail is http://www.claws-mail.org/maemo/ Sep 09 18:53:21 <_Monkey> ...but clawsmail is buggy... Sep 09 18:53:35 _Monkey forget clawsmail Sep 09 18:53:35 <_Monkey> celesteh: I forgot clawsmail Sep 09 18:53:45 _Monkey clawsmail is http://www.claws-mail.org/maemo/ Sep 09 18:53:46 <_Monkey> OK, celesteh. Sep 09 18:54:02 pupnik: i got it, thanks Sep 09 18:54:18 what's the name eichi? Sep 09 18:55:01 man i have terrible luck, mplayer wont even start for me Sep 09 18:55:02 I have both NFS and binfmt_misc :( Sep 09 18:56:39 RushPL - lots of google hits for scratchbox+vdso or scratchbox+"Assertion Failed" Sep 09 18:56:53 yeah,looking into it Sep 09 18:56:54 i can launch it from the command line Sep 09 18:57:22 pupnik: "tuner"..thats all http://www.maemo-apps.org/content/show.php/Tuner+Tool?content=44087&PHPSESSID=35c63e3886c05dee8ea2703b1d4feec9 Sep 09 18:58:01 okay, so VDSO will fix it. Sep 09 18:59:06 RushPL: so i was right the first time? I'm confused. On sidux i got that error, then built a kernel with vdso, and it worked Sep 09 18:59:26 so i don't understand that echo 0 command at all. Maybe it needs to be compiled-in and turned off? Sep 09 18:59:45 ok ty eichi Sep 09 18:59:56 _Monkey erming is someplace at http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/ Sep 09 18:59:56 <_Monkey> OK, celesteh. Sep 09 19:00:18 is there a noticable speed difference between a class 4 and a class 6 sd card ? Sep 09 19:00:18 pupnik: dunno, I will have to try. Now compiling a new kernel. Sep 09 19:00:46 Deformati: http://www.maemo-apps.org/content/show.php/LCARS+PADD+(Star+Trek)+Theme?content=47430 -> lol, hilarious Sep 09 19:00:58 I just might stay with maemo :D Sep 09 19:01:38 RushPL: looks a lot like GregorR's tablet. Sep 09 19:01:45 oy, but it's N800 :/ Sep 09 19:02:16 _Monkey erming is a tool to sync GPE with google calendar and can be found someplace at http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/ Sep 09 19:02:16 <_Monkey> ...but erming is someplace at http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/... Sep 09 19:02:22 Deformati: GregorG has LCARS? Sep 09 19:02:27 _monkey, forget erming Sep 09 19:02:27 Yes. Sep 09 19:02:27 <_Monkey> celesteh: I forgot erming Sep 09 19:02:36 _Monkey erming is a tool to sync GPE with google calendar and can be found someplace at http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/ Sep 09 19:02:36 <_Monkey> OK, celesteh. Sep 09 19:02:37 Deformati: GregorR ^^ Sep 09 19:04:33 Hmm, I want to start scratchbox, but I don't wanna restart x. Sep 09 19:04:36 Or logout. Sep 09 19:04:42 I have a lot of important windows open. Sep 09 19:04:43 So eh. Sep 09 19:04:57 Deformati: so do I, I would need to reboot. Sep 09 19:05:33 Eh. Sep 09 19:05:38 I tryed in a new virtual terminal. Sep 09 19:05:45 And it says there are link inconstantcies in ld.so Sep 09 19:06:01 Deformati: that's that VDSO Sep 09 19:06:14 edit .config, search for VDSO and enable it Sep 09 19:06:19 ...Shouldn't there be a more automated installer than this? Sep 09 19:06:44 I mean, it's rediculous. Sep 09 19:08:00 .config where? Sep 09 19:08:02 hm Sep 09 19:08:07 rm: .Trashes//501/supertux/images/??'???a??????j.%??2: File name too long Sep 09 19:10:28 hi.. Sep 09 19:10:54 i was trying to compile maemo-sharp in my desktop.. and it depends on hildon-lgpl Sep 09 19:10:59 where can i download it?... Sep 09 19:13:12 Do all of you develop on your tablet directly, or on your pc then send it over to the tablet? Sep 09 19:15:02 Deformati: most people use scratchbox on a pc Sep 09 19:15:24 Deformati: but I have heard of people compiling on OS2007 Sep 09 19:15:39 What about 2006? Sep 09 19:16:11 I have some pretty extensive x11 development experience, so I wonder if it would be worth my time to make an alternate WM on the 770 or on the pc. Sep 09 19:16:57 cannot find it.. :S Sep 09 19:17:02 <`0660> you will want to use your pc Sep 09 19:17:15 What is needed most on the 770? Sep 09 19:17:23 What does it have, and what is it lacking? Sep 09 19:21:40 Deformati: a fast snes emulator :) Sep 09 19:22:05 Deformati: if any projects here interest you, let me know http://pupnik.de/software.html Sep 09 19:22:44 Is there any opengl support? Sep 09 19:22:49 no Sep 09 19:22:57 Alright. Sep 09 19:23:00 I am not a fan of games. Sep 09 19:23:17 and zsnes is opengl Sep 09 19:24:03