**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Sep 14 02:59:56 2007 Sep 14 03:22:39 Has anyone gotten the "Illegal instruction" error running the latest Maemo Mapper? Sep 14 03:26:32 oh! Sep 14 03:26:35 new mapper?! Sep 14 03:29:23 hah, not really - I just upgraded to 1.4.7-3 Sep 14 03:29:53 Won't run as user Sep 14 03:30:04 I get a "Illegal instruction" statement Sep 14 03:30:09 But as root, runs fine Sep 14 03:39:59 Someone can confirm this information: "There is not a python-sqlite in SDK repository"? Sep 14 03:53:58 Its very strange.. I can find a python-sqlite package at N800, but I cannot find it on scrachbox..... Some can help me? Sep 14 04:22:19 repositories? Sep 14 04:22:19 <_Monkey> repositories is probably http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Sep 14 04:22:40 DaniloCesar: ^^ Sep 14 04:24:26 pupnikafk, I have pymaemo's repositories on scratchbox Sep 14 04:24:56 but there isn't any python-sqlite or something there Sep 14 04:35:24 check /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox and n800 for differences - perhaps one is bora, the other gregale? Sep 14 04:36:15 hummm. So I need to put gregale on SB too? OK! Sep 14 04:50:46 There should be bora packages for everything, but in some cases there might not be, and for those perhaps the gregale (it2006) versions also work on it2007 Sep 14 04:53:20 pupnikafk, Ok.... I will try this.. Thanks pupnik! Sep 14 05:42:21 hi there Sep 14 05:42:30 i'm porting an application i wrote Sep 14 05:43:03 the bad stuff is that when i run it before a sleep it exits (without segfault) Sep 14 05:43:50 is there something i should know about sleeping in maemo? Sep 14 06:13:54 does it requrie console/terminal input bedboi ? Sep 14 06:17:04 where can I find libfreetype, in what package? Sep 14 06:17:21 probably libfreetype, but I cannot find it :) Sep 14 06:17:32 libfreetype6 Sep 14 06:19:49 pupnik: yes Sep 14 06:20:01 i'm just starting like ./something usb0 Sep 14 06:20:09 it just exit Sep 14 06:20:29 pupnik: what's this ? Sep 14 06:20:45 inz: could you point me to some repo? google can't Sep 14 06:21:03 inz: I'm still running the standard 2006 os, but I don't want to upgrade yet. Sep 14 06:21:38 bedboi: i think your app is waiting for keyboard input, and it can't get it, so it stops? Sep 14 06:22:00 nono, it just sleeps Sep 14 06:22:22 it spawns a thread then sleeps for some time Sep 14 06:22:39 btw the application exits immediately Sep 14 06:22:52 not segfaulting Sep 14 06:23:01 ok - not sure what's goin on Sep 14 06:23:15 Program exited normally. Sep 14 06:23:20 that's what gdb says Sep 14 06:23:42 it must be some dsme trick Sep 14 06:23:58 RushPL see the repository search engine Sep 14 06:24:01 repositories? Sep 14 06:24:02 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Sep 14 06:25:14 maybe dsme is checking for large sleeps Sep 14 06:26:17 sounds unlikely Sep 14 06:26:52 have you tried debug printfs ;) Sep 14 06:28:05 yep Sep 14 06:28:10 a lots of Sep 14 06:29:41 How secret is your app?-) Sep 14 06:34:46 pupnik: thanks, so I found two repositories possibly containing freetype, but freetype doesn't show up in the installable packages list. Sep 14 06:35:17 inz: what you mean? Sep 14 06:35:26 bedboi, can you show the source ;) Sep 14 06:35:55 Rush, libfreetype(6) should always be installed, it is used for rendering the fonts on the device Sep 14 06:37:36 of course but the application is quite huge. Sep 14 06:38:11 is there any guideline about how to daemonize an application for n800 Sep 14 06:38:11 inz: I know, but while installing 'wesnoth', it says that it is missing. Sep 14 06:38:12 ? Sep 14 06:40:29 bedboi, the normal "if (fork()) { exit(0); }" should work Sep 14 06:42:02 bedboi, setsid();, closing stdin,-out and -err (and replacing with /dev/null) are also common practices Sep 14 06:43:29 btw i should use while(1) sleep(1); Sep 14 06:44:45 libfreetype6(>=2.2.1) missing :/ Sep 14 06:46:16 inz: this is the code (not demonized) Sep 14 06:46:17 http://www.pastebin.ca/697089 Sep 14 06:46:46 inz: basically i set up in new_pi_low, and spawn threads in pi_low_init Sep 14 06:46:58 obviously it works without any problems on any other machine Sep 14 06:47:10 Rush, are you trying to install N800 package on 770? Sep 14 06:47:31 no Sep 14 06:47:38 on n800 Sep 14 06:47:49 inz: It wasn't marked or so ... yes, I'm n770. Sep 14 06:47:51 it's non sense. because it exits Sep 14 06:48:17 a segfault should would be better :) Sep 14 06:48:22 bedboi, that does indeed sound weird (unless you call exit() from pi_low_init Sep 14 06:48:23 probably I should better flash with 2007 edition,right? Sep 14 06:48:47 pi_low_init can't call exit Sep 14 06:48:53 it just spawns threads Sep 14 06:49:21 g_thread_create Sep 14 06:49:54 and i'm sure it doesn't exit Sep 14 06:50:03 Hello. I have a windows mobile smartphone and I am unable to bluetooth pair maemo and the phone because it is detected as a PDA Sep 14 06:50:04 because i can see the debug message Sep 14 06:50:08 what can I do about that? Sep 14 06:50:16 Rush, if you want to use wesnoth, then it seems so Sep 14 06:50:16 inz: "Letting the daemon sleeping Sep 14 06:51:00 which is after pi_low_init Sep 14 06:51:36 What does the thread do, does it sleep aswell? Sep 14 06:52:08 it can do whatever it wants Sep 14 06:52:10 it is a thread Sep 14 06:52:20 one should be able to program whatever he wants Sep 14 06:52:33 Fer sure it should Sep 14 06:52:50 it's very weird Sep 14 06:53:28 the fact is that it exits without any segfault or something Sep 14 06:53:35 and i have no exit in the application Sep 14 06:53:37 or g_error Sep 14 06:54:11 AHAHHA Sep 14 06:54:13 And new_pi_low or pi_low_init calls g_threads_init()? Sep 14 06:54:14 wtf Sep 14 06:54:23 yep of course Sep 14 06:54:30 i'm telling you it works perfectly on x86 Sep 14 06:54:34 indeed Sep 14 06:56:29 now i added a while(1) { printf(".\n") ; sleep(1) } ; Sep 14 06:56:36 and i just see one .\n Sep 14 06:56:45 then it gracefully exits Sep 14 06:56:55 stupid guy Sep 14 06:57:31 let's say what strace tells Sep 14 06:57:37 does it do so with every sleep function? Sep 14 06:58:18 i don't know Sep 14 06:58:21 let's try Sep 14 07:02:04 LOL Sep 14 07:02:06 AHAHAH Sep 14 07:02:08 it doesn't leep Sep 14 07:02:09 sleep Sep 14 07:02:20 no wai Sep 14 07:02:21 wait Sep 14 07:02:45 it just sleep the first time Sep 14 07:02:54 it's nonsense man Sep 14 07:02:57 it's pure nonsense Sep 14 07:03:04 can i sleep just one in my lifetime??? Sep 14 07:03:20 it must be some dirty trick dsme is playing Sep 14 07:03:44 I wonder if it's some bug in LinuxThreads Sep 14 07:04:15 it's something really weird Sep 14 07:05:08 How does the strace end? Sep 14 07:05:38 wait i have to install it Sep 14 07:07:26 I would guess the reason comes from inside the thread Sep 14 07:08:12 i would not Sep 14 07:09:37 doesn't sleep take a float? Sep 14 07:09:42 no Sep 14 07:09:59 man 3 sleep Sep 14 07:10:19 no .*sleep function takes float Sep 14 07:10:30 neither usleep Sep 14 07:10:34 nanosleep etc Sep 14 07:10:40 it would be a waste Sep 14 07:12:07 damn Sep 14 07:12:15 where i can get strace ? Sep 14 07:12:16 <_Monkey> strace is my friend for these stuff :-D Sep 14 07:12:31 _Monkey: yep, atm i can't access the internet through the device Sep 14 07:12:32 <_Monkey> bedboi: sorry... Sep 14 07:13:16 bedboi, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/bora/free/binary/strace_4.5.14-1.osso1_armel.deb Sep 14 07:13:31 the last command inside the while loop before } does not need a ; semicolon? Sep 14 07:13:46 thanks Sep 14 07:13:56 pupnik, in C it does, but that's compile-time issue, not run-time Sep 14 07:14:01 i forget these things Sep 14 07:14:14 ok Sep 14 07:14:40 pupnik, at least in perl you can omit it Sep 14 07:15:29 HMMM Sep 14 07:15:35 i guess it is inside of libpcap Sep 14 07:15:38 or libnet Sep 14 07:15:49 are raw sockets supported? Sep 14 07:16:36 No idea Sep 14 07:17:43 hmm Sep 14 07:19:23 connect(2, ptrace: umoven: Input/output error Sep 14 07:19:23 {...}, 41) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Sep 14 07:19:23 close(13) = 0 Sep 14 07:20:04 what's that beast? Sep 14 07:21:06 That's weird, connect shouldn't set errno to ENOENT Sep 14 07:21:07 i don't have ptraces on my x86 Sep 14 07:21:11 beast indeed Sep 14 07:21:26 i'm sure it's some nokia shit. Sep 14 07:21:29 for $head in $ass; do shove; done Sep 14 07:21:36 :) Sep 14 07:21:36 some "intelligence" Sep 14 07:22:10 you should see the difference between x86 and n800 straces Sep 14 07:22:21 there is a lot of shit in the n800 stuff Sep 14 07:22:22 strace Sep 14 07:22:23 <_Monkey> strace is my friend for these stuff :-D Sep 14 07:23:39 _Monkey: in fact i'm stracing Sep 14 07:23:40 <_Monkey> bedboi: sorry... Sep 14 07:24:37 there's no "ptrace" in the x86 strace output Sep 14 07:30:48 bedboi, probebly ptrace doesn't cause errors there Sep 14 07:32:40 and what is this: connect(11, {sa_family=AF_FILE, path="/dev/log"}, 16) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) Sep 14 07:32:49 i don't have this on my x86 Sep 14 07:34:19 bedboi, I would guess that /dev/log exists on your PC, but not on the device Sep 14 07:34:47 http://home.rushabse.net/~rush/muu.jpg - I <3 this Sep 14 07:34:52 * pupnik solders SVHS connectors onto cat5 cable Sep 14 07:35:28 PADD theme? Sep 14 07:35:37 yeah Sep 14 07:36:48 inz: i'll show you the difference (last 3 lines of strace) Sep 14 07:37:01 this is on n800: Sep 14 07:37:04 rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, NULL, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 Sep 14 07:37:04 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [RTMIN], NULL, 8) = 0 Sep 14 07:37:04 nanosleep({2, 0}, 0xbe813740) = ? ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK (To be restarted) Sep 14 07:37:18 notice nanosleep Sep 14 07:37:22 it should be 2 nanoseconds Sep 14 07:38:05 rt_sigaction(SIGCHLD, NULL, {SIG_DFL}, 8) = 0 Sep 14 07:38:05 rt_sigprocmask(SIG_SETMASK, [], NULL, 8) = 0 Sep 14 07:38:05 nanosleep({1000000000, 0}, Sep 14 07:38:08 bedboi: nanosleep has relatively poor precision Sep 14 07:38:18 i don't care about precision Sep 14 07:38:51 what's ERESTART_RESTARTBLOCK? Sep 14 07:39:03 let's ask google Sep 14 07:40:01 ok it says that sleep has been interrupted by a signal Sep 14 07:40:39 RushPL: where can I get this LCAR/PADD theme? Sep 14 07:41:16 Protocol-: hm, maemo-apps.org I think, or maemo.org -> Downloads Sep 14 07:42:02 Protocol-: search for reports of problems with it on internettablettalk.com forums first Sep 14 07:42:15 got it I think, http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD Sep 14 07:44:37 inz: could that /dev/log be the problem? Sep 14 07:45:10 lol Sep 14 07:45:29 @ maemo dev mailing list DSME commit mailing list =)) Sep 14 07:47:00 bedboi, doubtful, but possible Sep 14 07:48:02 hmm Sep 14 07:48:10 i see also some SIGPROF Sep 14 07:54:35 inz: i guess tcpdump is known to work Sep 14 07:58:43 i mean libpcap Sep 14 07:58:48 is it known to work? Sep 14 08:08:54 hey guys, soo my question, where to find a howto for renaming the user "user" on my 770 Sep 14 08:09:06 "user" looks ugly ;) Sep 14 08:16:34 bedboi, I've no idea if it works or not, but I would guess yes Sep 14 08:37:03 good morning Sep 14 09:21:58 goof morning (~ugt) Sep 14 09:22:03 good Sep 14 09:23:13 -ljpeg .is it right to add libjpeg in makefile Sep 14 09:23:15 ? Sep 14 09:30:50 Big_B, libjpeg doesn't seem to have pkg-config file, so yes, -ljpeg should be correct Sep 14 09:33:14 thanks Sep 14 09:54:14 wump Sep 14 10:25:25 morning Sep 14 10:25:25 <_Monkey> aloha Sep 14 10:28:59 anyone know where pupniks sdl apps are ? Sep 14 10:32:01 morning Sep 14 10:32:02 <_Monkey> aloha Sep 14 10:32:48 kulve: I did some tests re. struct packing, I'll post them to the dev list, not all that exciting, but my naive/hopeful thought of passing structs through shared memory is somewhat dashed Sep 14 11:28:38 * rwhitby only just found the 770 and n800 schematics at http://www.nmacleod.com/nokia/schematics/ ... Sep 14 11:33:14 aye - got those a while ago Sep 14 11:33:20 keep up ;) Sep 14 11:39:40 Nermal: yeah, I'm way behind. To busy hacking on my two openmoko phones ;-) Sep 14 11:48:05 hi all, I'm new & trying to install 4.0 alpha here. After running sb-menu, starting xephyr, exporting my display, I get command not found for af-sb-init.sh start What did I do wrong? :) Sep 14 13:10:25 <[31d1]> wait - what - is there a new OS2006 release? Sep 14 13:14:02 [31d1]: no Sep 14 13:14:17 [31d1]: the newest one is -49 Sep 14 13:14:41 But there was a new "hacker edition" for 770 a while ago Sep 14 13:14:50 inz: thats OS2007 Sep 14 13:15:01 s/OS2007/OS2007HE/ Sep 14 13:15:02 erstazi meant: inz: thats OS2007HE Sep 14 13:15:19 erstazi, I'm aware of that, but that's what's closest to "new OS2006 release" Sep 14 13:15:28 inz: well, its not supported Sep 14 13:15:40 inz: so I don't consider it a new OS2006 release Sep 14 13:15:48 <[31d1]> ok, whew Sep 14 13:15:49 Neither do I, thus the "but" Sep 14 13:15:59 you definitely use a totally different repo Sep 14 13:16:21 and even OS2007HE is still buggy Sep 14 13:16:44 how buggy? (I'm gonna install it very soon) Sep 14 13:17:08 RushPL: well, overall, its not buggy as a whole Sep 14 13:17:19 but its experimental... so I will leave it at that Sep 14 13:17:26 RushPL: you can always dual-boot both Sep 14 13:17:40 unless you just want to mess and experiment Sep 14 13:18:18 oh, cool. Will read about dual booting. Hm, but what type of bugs? Interface glitches? Application bugs? Slowness? Sep 14 13:19:01 application bugs Sep 14 13:19:33 which as I said, OS2007HE as a whole is not buggy Sep 14 13:19:34 <[31d1]> is there easy ways to get the audio/video codecs that are missing onto 2007? Sep 14 13:19:48 [31d1]: which ones? Sep 14 13:20:06 erstazi: oh, that's not that big of a problem then. I'm gonna hack into 770 anyway. Sep 14 13:20:25 there is dual-boot but I would read on http://maemo.org how to dual boot Sep 14 13:21:14 <[31d1]> i just saw where it said we cant provide a bunch of codecs due to licensing Sep 14 13:37:14 I tried OS2007HE it's very nice, many gui improvements and not too buggy, it's worth the try Sep 14 13:45:49 about how long does the N800 take to load the battery? Sep 14 13:45:57 does it take longer the first time, and if so, how much longer? Sep 14 13:57:00 Any c programmers awake on here? Sep 14 13:57:03 ;) Sep 14 13:58:08 I have a compile error I need some help with as I can't think what's causing it Sep 14 13:58:16 shoot Sep 14 13:58:40 http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/new/DSP-side/ Sep 14 13:58:46 in compile output Sep 14 13:58:54 I'll copy the rest of the code in there too Sep 14 13:59:45 The errors in OGGV_ogg.h go away if I comment the lines (which are function prototypes) Sep 14 14:00:06 the lvalue ones don't go away, even if I fiddle with the types Sep 14 14:01:30 hmm Sep 14 14:02:18 I should note that the code probably won't run - as I said in my email to the list Sep 14 14:02:32 even more so as I need to do some more complex bitswapping for the endianness differences Sep 14 14:02:49 but it would be nice to get the bloody thing to compile Sep 14 14:02:50 ; Sep 14 14:02:54 ;) even Sep 14 14:06:39 yeah, weird stuff Sep 14 14:12:51 Any other takers on the errors? Even any vague ideas would be useful as I can't do much until I can compile the code in the headers Sep 14 14:13:15 try checking preprocessor output Sep 14 14:14:08 yes, good point Sep 14 14:14:42 no one know show long a N800 takes to charge? Sep 14 14:14:50 TPC: ~an hour Sep 14 14:15:07 something like that, certainly not as long as overnight Sep 14 14:15:19 thats quite a big gap :P Sep 14 14:15:32 I just got mine, and I'm trying to figure out how long I should charge it before trying to use it Sep 14 14:15:54 it doesn't say in the manual :( Sep 14 14:16:11 True, let me think for a minute then - I put mine on charge at 10pm and it was charged by 12am Sep 14 14:16:37 as long as it has some charge you should be able to use it, the batteries are usually preconditioned or so I thought Sep 14 14:16:51 but note that it won't charge much/at all if you sit on wifi all the time Sep 14 14:17:20 ok Sep 14 14:17:39 aha! that explains what I see - ty lardman Sep 14 14:18:15 I've gone for ~45 minutes so far, I guess I'll wait another hour, thanks for the info Sep 14 14:20:07 WHOAH! Ati goes open source?! Is this for real? 900 pages of specs? Sep 14 14:21:44 that's a subset of specs for two chipset families (r500 and r600) that doesn't document the 2d/3d accelerators and some other things (like Xvmc) Sep 14 14:22:05 it will take some time to convert those docs into working drivers (1-2 years?) Sep 14 14:28:44 well, they are working with the xorg developers Sep 14 14:28:49 to help them get the drivers coded Sep 14 14:29:09 giving example code for some things too Sep 14 14:30:36 well lur-de-dur looks like my old eyes missed that story Sep 14 14:40:18 You think AMD can find some profitablility in the low-mid power range portable market? Sep 14 14:41:00 Cause looks to me like ARM is moving the wall up from the low end. Sep 14 14:41:27 Maybe i'm falling for snake-oil here Sep 14 14:41:35 pupnik: meine message vor ein paar tagen erhallten? bezueglich des dark theme? Sep 14 14:42:09 ja habe den link erhalten Sep 14 14:42:17 fein Sep 14 14:42:23 aber .. mom - glaub verloren Sep 14 14:43:02 pupnik: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/1615/NuvoBlack.deb Sep 14 14:43:23 oh danke Sep 14 14:43:26 das theme rult Sep 14 14:43:28 please speak english, the rest of us want to understand too :P Sep 14 14:43:32 :) Sep 14 14:43:38 well... theme, dark Sep 14 14:43:48 TPC: i told pupnik about a dark theme i found Sep 14 14:43:55 ok Sep 14 14:44:00 and i must thank you red-zack Sep 14 14:44:08 now we need to make a sidux theme for Nokia :P Sep 14 14:44:12 np Sep 14 14:44:15 <[31d1]> solid.gold.code white ftw Sep 14 14:44:35 <[31d1]> where is a screenshot of nuvoblack? Sep 14 14:44:39 pupnik: ehehe, i think its possible with these thememaker Sep 14 14:44:50 *this Sep 14 14:45:09 yes - i've worked on a theme and it's a fair amt of work :/ Sep 14 14:45:13 many little pieces Sep 14 14:45:26 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/thememaker/ this one Sep 14 14:45:27 so thememaker should help Sep 14 14:45:54 pupnik: sidux icons etc, i can made, thats not the problem Sep 14 14:46:19 i have some of them, only a little remake Sep 14 14:47:07 the headthing is that it is dark :) Sep 14 14:47:25 ohh dear, yes, it have to ;) Sep 14 14:47:38 i have a nice wallpaper for. mom Sep 14 14:48:02 what does "mom" mean? Sep 14 14:48:02 <[31d1]> i wish the task manager area could get shrunk Sep 14 14:48:15 lardman: one moment Sep 14 14:48:38 ah, in American mom=mutti, you probably want mo Sep 14 14:48:52 [31d1]: the cpu applet works fine, includet a "taskmanager" Sep 14 14:48:59 moment - just a moment Sep 14 14:49:12 arbgh i missed the reply Sep 14 14:49:26 * pupnik waterboards himself Sep 14 14:49:34 Auf English sagt man mo statt mom Sep 14 14:49:35 <[31d1]> i mean the whole wide area on the left side takes up too much (precious) space imo Sep 14 14:50:03 if using the stylus maybe, if using finger no Sep 14 14:50:24 plus you've got > 640 pix horiz resolution for the apps anyway Sep 14 14:50:35 * [31d1] always wants more Sep 14 14:50:47 change to fullscreen Sep 14 14:50:47 <_Monkey> suihkulokki: that doesn't look right Sep 14 14:50:54 <[31d1]> but yeah you're sort of right reganding finger Sep 14 14:50:55 HAHAHA Sep 14 14:51:02 bloody bots Sep 14 14:51:13 change to fullscreen Sep 14 14:51:13 <_Monkey> suihkulokki: that doesn't look right Sep 14 14:53:18 pupnik: this one : http://img262.imageshack.us/my.php?image=siduxchilititanny0.png Sep 14 14:54:53 i wonder how those were made Sep 14 14:55:20 i think with inscape Sep 14 14:55:23 a friend does Sep 14 14:55:26 anyway - nice weather - must take a walk Sep 14 14:55:33 bye Sep 14 14:55:34 ah yes i saw them - not bad Sep 14 14:56:09 in our area clouds are comming Sep 14 14:58:26 lardman: did you fixed the compile issue ? Sep 14 14:59:08 AD-N770: No, I'm at work so can't try compiling till I head home Sep 14 14:59:15 hm, we need a lightwight compiz version for our n770^^ Sep 14 14:59:24 can't try looking at the pre-processor output anyway Sep 14 15:00:34 lardman: which is the error message from the compiler ? Sep 14 15:01:10 AD-N770: they are in the compiler-output.txt file in the url I gave Sep 14 15:02:42 AD-N770: Found it? Sep 14 15:02:52 yes, reading it now Sep 14 15:15:04 AD-N770: Any thoughts? Sep 14 15:15:55 is curious, I cannnot locate the proper error lines Sep 14 15:16:13 hmm, I don't think I changed the code since then Sep 14 15:16:19 hang on, let me take a look see Sep 14 15:18:24 ah, I added the copyright Sep 14 15:18:26 sorry Sep 14 15:18:38 add 6 to the line number for OGGV_ogg.h Sep 14 15:19:00 first error is on line 155: extern ogg_int32_t oggpack_look(oggpack_buffer *b,ogg_int16_t bits); Sep 14 15:20:38 add 5 to the OGGV_misc.h line numbers Sep 14 15:21:09 first error is on line 205: ogg_int16_t sign=0, bit=0; (I've just changed that back to it's original form) Sep 14 15:21:36 Was a bit tired last night when I put the tarball together, thought I'd re-run the compile but obviously not Sep 14 15:24:21 Not doing very well here, the declaration of sign & bit were split when I compiled, so I've split them again - the next error was on l208+5 = sign=1; Sep 14 15:24:59 lardman: at div64_int, possibly lack of the space at if (!b)return ret; Sep 14 15:26:04 lardman: similiar one at mul64_int, if (b&1)ret=add64_64(ret,a); Sep 14 15:26:31 I fear you're looking at the wrong lines then Sep 14 15:26:52 I was looking for statement not reached errors Sep 14 15:27:36 Ah, well that's not a biggie as it's only a warning Sep 14 15:28:10 easier to fix and somtimes the cause of other errors :) Sep 14 15:28:25 yeah, fair enough Sep 14 15:29:36 what do you mean by lack of space? Sep 14 15:30:46 strange it's almost as if the compiler doesn't think that sign is a variable Sep 14 15:31:20 pre-processor output as roxfan suggested Sep 14 15:31:41 probably will be the best way Sep 14 15:32:15 I'll take a look later on this evening Sep 14 15:32:19 I don't know if the TI compiler suport struct initializations as ogg_int64_t ret={0,0} Sep 14 15:32:56 I don't know either, but all of the other source in the dir has compiled okay and these all use the same headers Sep 14 15:33:12 so there's presumably something about the combination of my .c and the headers Sep 14 15:38:16 lardman: I was refering there's no space between ) and ret Sep 14 15:39:29 AD-N770: I'm heading home now, I'll look at the pre-processor output and see what that shows Sep 14 15:39:36 AD-N770: I'll let you know how I get on Sep 14 15:39:44 ok Sep 14 15:40:16 bye chaps Sep 14 15:43:35 hmm, maybe i should reflash to fix my app manager issue (dpgk-status do not appear to be available, i cant find the file in any bin dir) Sep 14 15:43:51 question then is, 2006 or 2007HE? Sep 14 15:47:53 morning Sep 14 15:47:53 <_Monkey> aloha Sep 14 16:00:35 how do i disable strict check of rsa in ssh Sep 14 16:02:08 <[31d1]> /etc/ssh/ssh_config Sep 14 16:02:49 if I enetered the wrong WPA key on the N800, how can I tell it to forget the one I entered and let me enter a new one? Sep 14 16:02:52 entered* Sep 14 16:03:15 TPC, remove the connection on the control panel Sep 14 16:03:19 <[31d1]> connection manager Sep 14 16:03:23 ok Sep 14 16:04:46 I'm there, and I don't se eany way to remove it Sep 14 16:06:08 ah wait Sep 14 16:06:09 found it Sep 14 16:09:19 heh, flashing the 770 kinda reminds me of watching the kids in the anime denno coil restore their AR glasses after a "fight" Sep 14 16:11:46 how do i save and exit vi on n800 Sep 14 16:12:28 <[31d1]> :wq Sep 14 16:12:31 <[31d1]> or :x Sep 14 16:12:37 <[31d1]> :x Sep 14 16:15:30 now to get the repos back in place Sep 14 16:24:08 hmm, trying to add the ad-hoc repo using installer makes app manager crash Sep 14 16:37:23 what is the proper way for hildonization of sdl app? tutotial talks about maemo-games-startup whereas real n800 have osso-games-startup instead... and this one seem pretty tied to the 4 default maemo games (blocks, mahjong etc.) Sep 14 16:38:27 anyone have touched this area? Sep 14 16:41:58 Anyone know how sould erminig processing take? Sep 14 16:43:38 how long that is Sep 14 16:44:10 Mine has taken ~15 minutes so far Sep 14 16:46:43 hi Sep 14 16:50:19 what's erminig? Sep 14 16:50:55 erming, _monkey? Sep 14 16:50:55 <_Monkey> it has been said that erming is a tool to sync GPE with google calendar and can be found someplace at http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/ Sep 14 17:11:09 is libpcap known to work on n800? Sep 14 17:11:59 works on the 770... i'd assume so on the 800 Sep 14 17:12:20 at least, i know i had tcpdump working on my 770 Sep 14 17:13:12 did anyone manage to build a recent Qt for maemo? Sep 14 17:14:24 question for the masses Sep 14 17:15:24 I want to dual boot on the N800. Sep 14 17:16:06 now after doing so, will i be able to flash the the N800 and still be able to use my old system thats on the mmc? Sep 14 17:21:40 unique311_: what else are you going to dual boot to? Sep 14 17:24:32 just regular system. Sep 14 17:24:56 but having crashes with it, but don't want to get rid of it.. Sep 14 17:28:05 dpkg-status? Sep 14 17:28:24 grumble, flashing should clean out the apt-get stuff yes? then why is app manager telling me to run apt-get update to clean up some repo stuff? Sep 14 17:29:00 yeah it stays the same unique311_ Sep 14 17:29:02 <||cw> just used the new maemo.org downloads stuff with the .install files, python didn't work, but everything else so far is just plain sweet Sep 14 17:29:27 <||cw> has to drop to apt to actually install python Sep 14 17:29:28 dunno tso Sep 14 17:29:58 <||cw> tso: flashing should wipe everything to factory default Sep 14 17:29:58 yeah .install files are a good and happy thing Sep 14 17:30:05 something about not being able to stat source package lists... Sep 14 17:30:32 sounds like a connection error Sep 14 17:30:42 not surprised... Sep 14 17:31:05 the maemo.org servers seems to have a issue being accessed by a 770 or something :S Sep 14 17:31:07 ||cw, did you tried just maemo.org or tried instructions from pymaemo site? Sep 14 17:31:17 <||cw> maemo.org Sep 14 17:32:09 <||cw> hm, ermining is giving an error, mixing depreciated and non-depreciated GtkToolbar API is not allowed Sep 14 17:32:13 tso: do you have becomeroot and ssh installed? Sep 14 17:32:14 i've heard that from someone else tso, but it works fine here Sep 14 17:32:52 ||cw, python needs two .install files Sep 14 17:32:52 just installed becomeroot and dropbear yes erstazi Sep 14 17:33:08 tso: do you have OS2006 or OS2007HE? Sep 14 17:33:17 2006 Sep 14 17:33:23 ||cw, check http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html Sep 14 17:33:24 tso: do you want my sources.list? Sep 14 17:33:35 tso: http://c-wd.net/maemo/sources.list Sep 14 17:33:40 i dont think that would be needed, but thanks Sep 14 17:33:53 tso: it has *majority* of the known repos Sep 14 17:34:02 tso: so that would give many apps to choose from Sep 14 17:36:13 wtf, i just get "no route to host" when i try to ssh in to the 770 :( Sep 14 17:36:36 roxfan[work]: Indeed the preprocessor told me the answer Sep 14 17:37:06 nice list erstazi - ty Sep 14 17:37:18 roxfan[work]: and now that I come to think about it, I can remember creating the global variable in question, that's what comes of programming in the wee hours I think Sep 14 17:39:52 wwoohoo!! Sep 14 17:39:56 A replacement Nokia 770 device, has been shipped for your original Nokia 770 device under Nokia's replacement program. Sep 14 17:40:19 hey guys i want to set up a stupid deb repository for my purposes (app that i have to test on n800), i never remember how to do that Sep 14 17:40:35 i remember an application which generates Packages.gz Sep 14 17:41:04 hrmf, reinstalled dropbear and now it just sits there with no prompt or anything when doing ssh Sep 14 17:41:08 anyone here that have already been sent a replacement unit? Have you had any problems if the SOD comes back into the replacement? Sep 14 17:41:26 heh, seems like dropbear have some issues... Sep 14 17:41:43 pupnik: its a collection of different repos from maemo veterans before me! heh Sep 14 17:41:48 they deserve the thanks Sep 14 17:42:06 Is anyone aware of any politic about a replacement unit being bad and being replaced? or replacement units having specific warranty policies? Sep 14 17:46:25 what are the advantages of nokia n800's browser engine which cannot be shipped with 2007HE image? Sep 14 17:48:24 It's not 2 years old? Sep 14 17:48:37 Or 3? Sep 14 17:48:38 <_Monkey> i think 3 is initfs i think Sep 14 17:49:36 interesting, if i ctrl-c out of a ssh login i have to reconnect the 770 to the network... Sep 14 17:50:19 the default pass was rootme yes? Sep 14 17:50:36 RushPL: you know microb? Sep 14 17:50:38 yes Sep 14 17:50:42 guys have you ever had problems with threading on N800? Sep 14 17:50:48 pupnik: saw it in repos Sep 14 17:50:59 i dont get it, it just sits there after the password prompt Sep 14 17:51:26 I'm gonna flash my nokia in a second, so just wondering. Sep 14 17:51:29 tso that is three strange occurrences that i have never heard before Sep 14 17:52:12 well i dont know whats going on. unless my "poor" wifi setup is messing with the ssh connection somehow Sep 14 17:52:53 bingo, ctrl-c and when i try again i get "no route to host" Sep 14 17:53:35 i'm experiencing weired problems with g_thread_create Sep 14 17:53:41 (i guess) Sep 14 17:54:03 the function is called and it doesn't complain Sep 14 17:54:37 btw it seems that the function i pass to it is never called Sep 14 17:54:46 and the bad stuff is that it just exits Sep 14 17:54:53 even if i don't have any exits Sep 14 17:57:23 and unofficially can I get flash on n770 without getting banned for asking in here? Sep 14 17:57:24 :P Sep 14 17:57:39 (with microb) Sep 14 18:02:21 <||cw> tso: can you ping it? Sep 14 18:02:25 (wow, that is some forbidden question) Sep 14 18:02:51 when i try i get host unreachable... Sep 14 18:03:21 RushPL: i don't know - check the itt forums Sep 14 18:03:40 right, I totally forget about them. Sorry. Sep 14 18:05:02 flash is pretty cpu hungry though so i generally avoid it on 770 Sep 14 18:05:28 <||cw> RushPL: flash as in flash9? Sep 14 18:05:39 <||cw> RushPL: or lite Sep 14 18:05:51 dunno, I read only that it's shipped with n800. Sep 14 18:05:57 <||cw> until adobe recompiles it for arm, no Sep 14 18:06:17 <||cw> n800 is armel Sep 14 18:06:23 <||cw> er Sep 14 18:06:33 <||cw> no i got the names wrong Sep 14 18:06:50 <||cw> eitherway, flash that's on the n800is not binary compatable with the 770 Sep 14 18:07:07 is the 770 even supposed to answer to ping requests? Sep 14 18:07:13 <||cw> tso: yes Sep 14 18:07:23 then something is horribly wrong ;( Sep 14 18:10:16 i keep getting host unreachable... Sep 14 18:10:54 tso: my 770 tended to become unreachable after the idle timeout/screen blanking Sep 14 18:11:09 I had to tap it to wake it up and then usually could continue working with my existing ssh sessions Sep 14 18:11:14 well i just rebooted it so... Sep 14 18:11:28 and the screen is shining in my face Sep 14 18:13:36 does the wifi icon show it's online? Sep 14 18:13:52 yep Sep 14 18:14:04 <||cw> installed xterm yet? Sep 14 18:14:22 yes Sep 14 18:14:36 <||cw> check ifconfig Sep 14 18:14:48 <||cw> one of the first things I install is the IPHome applet Sep 14 18:15:13 i have that installed and im looking at the ip. its what i aim my pings at... Sep 14 18:15:20 hmm, ifconfig do not tabcomplete... Sep 14 18:15:39 <||cw> sweet, ermining is awesome Sep 14 18:15:51 <||cw> /bin/ifconfig maybe Sep 14 18:16:00 sbin in fact... Sep 14 18:16:28 everything looks the same there as on iphome Sep 14 18:16:43 <||cw> so it has an IP? Sep 14 18:17:02 yep Sep 14 18:17:40 what is ermining? Sep 14 18:17:41 <_Monkey> ermining is giving an error, mixing depreciated and non-depreciated GtkToolbar API is not allowed Sep 14 18:17:48 hmm, i removed dropbear-server, installed openssh-server instead, not much change. ssh still give me host unreachable Sep 14 18:17:54 _Monkey: that's not very useful, you silly bot Sep 14 18:17:55 <_Monkey> mgedmin: i'm not following you... Sep 14 18:17:58 exactly Sep 14 18:18:20 can your 770 reach anything, e.g., with the browser? Sep 14 18:19:44 no problem there Sep 14 18:20:19 * mgedmin scratches head Sep 14 18:20:36 your not the only one Sep 14 18:20:53 heh, maybe i should pull the power on my wifi base for a moment, just for the hell of it... Sep 14 18:22:25 <||cw> you sure you're connected to the right access point? Sep 14 18:22:44 I think turning off the room lights and turning them back on would have about the same effect... Sep 14 18:23:32 mgedmin: could be the firmware in the base have gotten hickup... Sep 14 18:23:52 anyways, yes im on the right access points. its the only one withing 300+ meters Sep 14 18:24:26 and you're not one of those crazy people who compile iptables just so they could have a firewall on their 770, right? Sep 14 18:24:45 now why should i do that when i have one on my dsl router?! Sep 14 18:25:10 is n800's skype trying to use cpu instructions unavailable on n770? is it the reason it fails to start? Sep 14 18:26:13 heh, for a moment i got a "fingerprint have changed!" from ssh. but now im back at unreachable... Sep 14 18:27:26 wtf? if i have app manager going with a repo update, i get a connection?! Sep 14 18:28:19 <||cw> tso: while you have a connection, unplug the router and see if the connection stops Sep 14 18:28:46 not a option, im using that for other things right now Sep 14 18:29:01 hmm, now i got a ping reply! Sep 14 18:29:20 and i have a ssh shell Sep 14 18:29:30 ok, what just happened... Sep 14 18:30:30 i suggest calling an exorcist Sep 14 18:30:52 that or a radio tech... Sep 14 18:30:53 cover the furniture with plastic first, just in case Sep 14 18:31:00 hehe Sep 14 18:32:16 power-savings gone amok? Sep 14 18:32:30 there were some interesting threads about that on the mailing list Sep 14 18:32:53 apparently the wlan power savings mode of the 770 doesn't work well with some accesspoints Sep 14 18:32:53 im suspecting weather. its not the best right now... Sep 14 18:32:58 no lightnings but still Sep 14 18:33:01 and you can increase some timeouts somewhere to see if it gets better Sep 14 18:34:51 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/18057 Sep 14 18:35:32 ah, it's not configurable on a 770 Sep 14 18:35:59 hmm, now the pings are gone again... Sep 14 18:36:41 there is some timeout going wacked indeed Sep 14 18:36:56 i need to wake things up from the 770, like say accessing a webpage Sep 14 18:39:18 there are network powersave settings you can tweak Sep 14 18:39:53 you can also set screen dimming/blanking to several hours Sep 14 18:40:10 i think its unrelated to the display Sep 14 18:40:31 as the display is currently black but the ping is still responding Sep 14 18:40:57 yes i think they are seperate Sep 14 18:43:01 bah, im horribly unfamiliar with debian :( Sep 14 18:44:57 debian rules Sep 14 18:45:35 heh, maybe so. but im still unfamiliar with it. like where apt-get house its sources.list and so on :( Sep 14 18:47:09 <[31d1]> /etc/apt/ Sep 14 18:47:11 <||cw> /etc/apt/ where else Sep 14 18:47:23 <[31d1]> debian rules rpm drules Sep 14 18:50:39 hm, can somebody tell me how can I associate .install files with adding repos? Sep 14 18:51:26 it worked in OS2006, I was able to simply go to an .install file in the browser and retrieve packages. Sep 14 18:52:22 <[31d1]> i thought .install files could do lots of stuff? Sep 14 18:53:12 the problem is they're not associated, they show up as text Sep 14 18:53:24 are you sure it's not a server problem? Sep 14 18:53:34 the web server is supposed to serve .install files with the correct content-type header Sep 14 18:53:45 I think not, because it worked in the OS2006. Sep 14 18:53:49 application/x-install-instructions Sep 14 18:53:54 I have an almost fresh OS2007 Sep 14 18:54:04 hm Sep 14 18:54:24 the .install files from downloads.maemo.org work for me Sep 14 18:54:33 on my N800 with OS2007 Sep 14 18:54:53 maybe that's an issue with OS2007HE Sep 14 18:55:32 using google spreadsheet for the first time collaboratively with tchat and 4 people - amazing! Sep 14 18:55:39 I don't have a bluetooth keyboard so manually adding repos would be extremely tedious for me ... Sep 14 18:56:14 pupnik: on nokia 770? Sep 14 18:56:31 no - i'll try now Sep 14 18:56:56 for me the browser works so sluggish, and it can't even do google maps. Sep 14 18:57:40 and loading skype's webpage make everything hang for some time Sep 14 18:57:43 *makes Sep 14 19:02:42 many websites are zippy fast. some websites are very slow - took about 1 minute to load a 1000 column spreadsheet Sep 14 19:03:21 s/column/row Sep 14 19:04:47 RushPL, yo. Sep 14 19:04:50 You got your's? Sep 14 19:05:01 yep Sep 14 19:05:07 So did I. Sep 14 19:05:11 This thing is awesome. Sep 14 19:05:17 Def: I was very very impressed. Sep 14 19:05:22 Needs a todo list. Sep 14 19:05:32 Imma make one as soon as I get gdc Sep 14 19:05:40 but I'm a bit disappointed at OS2007 giving me headaches atm :P Sep 14 19:05:48 but it's HE .. so not big deal Sep 14 19:06:02 Why do you need OS2007? Sep 14 19:06:07 I see no benifit Sep 14 19:06:13 more software Sep 14 19:06:28 bluetooth obex push support would be nice to have on a 770 Sep 14 19:06:33 does it work on os2007HE? Sep 14 19:07:16 I wonder if somebody will get the damn skype working Sep 14 19:07:22 it shows the welcome screen only Sep 14 19:07:52 RushPL, like what? Sep 14 19:08:10 Def: software depending on newer libs Sep 14 19:09:09 well, maybe I'll revert to OS2006, I need to check out the 2007 further. Sep 14 19:10:08 Rush, let's make our own. Sep 14 19:10:10 best features of os2007, compared to 2006: reorderable statusbar icons, tablet-to-tablet bluetooth file transfers, inlined cut/copy/paste in the virtual keyboard menu (or was this already present in os2006?) Sep 14 19:10:12 100% OSS Sep 14 19:11:00 Def: you want to pull me into something I'm not yet convinced to do. :P Sep 14 19:11:31 Hehe. Sep 14 19:12:39 Could you at least send an email so we can get gdc. Sep 14 19:12:55 Maybe if he gets multiples he will supply a binary Sep 14 19:13:07 what is gdc? Sep 14 19:13:15 D compiler Sep 14 19:13:32 D only works on 386 and amd64 Sep 14 19:13:41 DMD Sep 14 19:13:52 gdc is gcc's backend Sep 14 19:14:01 Yeah. Sep 14 19:14:20 ..and powerpc it seems Sep 14 19:14:50 ... Sep 14 19:15:00 but no arm Sep 14 19:15:03 Omg Sep 14 19:15:04 Dude Sep 14 19:15:07 Yes it does. Sep 14 19:15:25 I know of at least two people who currently use D on arm. Sep 14 19:15:53 I also know someone got it working on sparc, don't remember who. Sep 14 19:17:30 eh, OS2007HE is just working too slow for me. I'll try latest OS2006. :) Sep 14 19:17:47 I am using 2006 v2, works fine. Sep 14 19:20:46 <[31d1]> sweet my gps just came in the mail Sep 14 19:20:59 ..wtf Sep 14 19:21:29 I cannot figure out the vmware maemo thing Sep 14 19:24:33 I hope I can get wesnoth working on OS2006 somehow or else I'm gonna be sad Sep 14 19:24:45 and I don't want to be sad :P Sep 14 19:25:22 ... Sep 14 19:25:29 I cannot get this vnware image Sep 14 19:25:38 There are a buynch of .7z.005 files Sep 14 19:26:12 Erm Sep 14 19:26:13 Wait Sep 14 19:26:21 A bunch of .7z.# Sep 14 19:26:38 7zip files Sep 14 19:26:46 I know. Sep 14 19:26:53 extract them? Sep 14 19:26:53 But I don't know how to decompress them all. Sep 14 19:27:00 They are seperate files. Sep 14 19:27:05 I guess for the torrent. Sep 14 19:27:21 It needs to be one file, no? Sep 14 19:27:49 yep, OS2006 feels soooo much faster Sep 14 19:27:50 dunno. doesn't 7zip know how to uncompress tehm? Sep 14 19:28:05 Ark doesn't Sep 14 19:28:14 is Ark 7z aware? Sep 14 19:28:23 I think so. Sep 14 19:31:13 Hmm Sep 14 19:31:22 Might just be because they have a bad extension. Sep 14 19:32:01 a multi-part archive capable extractor will handle them Sep 14 19:32:11 Example? Sep 14 19:32:19 I don't know of one. Sep 14 19:32:45 p7zip Sep 14 19:33:56 What would I use as the args Sep 14 19:33:57 ? Sep 14 19:34:01 Just the directory? Sep 14 19:34:17 usually the first file - not sure Sep 14 19:34:35 then it finds the rest Sep 14 19:35:38 Ah Sep 14 19:35:41 First file Sep 14 19:35:47 Got it. Sep 14 19:38:32 RushPL, So you don't wanna develop anything for the 770? Sep 14 19:38:51 Def: I am, just not at the very moment. Sep 14 19:39:14 I think I am going to make alternatives for the closed source parts. Sep 14 19:39:45 My first goal is to make it usable for me. :) Then I have to get bluetooth keyboard and start to mess with the system. Sep 14 19:39:46 Dunno when. Sep 14 19:39:51 development is really the last part Sep 14 19:40:07 It was pretty usable out of the box. Sep 14 19:44:02 What does it miss out of the box? Sep 14 19:44:47 re Sep 14 19:44:56 is there anyone who had issues with threading? Sep 14 19:57:29 Hmm, vmware image doesn't boot. Sep 14 19:57:30 Lame. Sep 14 20:03:12 wow!!! n800 uses dbus 0.62 Sep 14 20:03:18 ops 0.61 Sep 14 20:03:20 damn Sep 14 20:03:34 why's that, it is ancient! Sep 14 20:12:54 i just tried to rewind television Sep 14 20:14:03 heh Sep 14 20:15:37 Pio. Sep 14 20:15:38 Whoa. Sep 14 20:15:43 Hi. Sep 14 20:15:49 yo Sep 14 20:15:58 heh i saw you in here earlier this week Sep 14 20:16:10 you got a 770 eh? Sep 14 20:16:16 Yeah. Sep 14 20:16:18 :D Sep 14 20:16:26 Cannot get scratchbox working. Sep 14 20:16:31 I even tried vmware. Sep 14 20:16:35 Oh well... :/ Sep 14 20:16:47 I could just dev directly on the nokia I guess. Sep 14 20:18:09 not fun to compile Sep 14 20:18:12 you using debian? Sep 14 20:18:22 Archlinux Sep 14 20:18:25 it was pretty easy when i set it up on my debian box Sep 14 20:18:31 Well. Sep 14 20:18:32 never tried any other distros Sep 14 20:18:43 I need to have vdso built into my kernel. Sep 14 20:18:48 And I don't want a custom kernel. Sep 14 20:18:52 everything i was reading was kind of saying.. just use debian.. Sep 14 20:19:43 Hmm. Sep 14 20:20:00 I guess I have a few extra hard disks to do it on. Sep 14 20:20:04 But I don't wanna reboot. Sep 14 20:20:13 So it is going to need to wait. Sep 14 20:20:22 guys anyone has any idea why maemo uses dbus 0.61? Sep 14 20:20:37 is there some 1.0.x unstable package ? Sep 14 20:20:38 Compiling on the 770 shouldn't be that slow. Sep 14 20:21:15 I mean, it is a 300 mhz ARM Sep 14 20:22:01 I guess that would be equivalent to like, I dunno, 600 mhz intel? Sep 14 20:22:06 450 amf Sep 14 20:22:14 amd* Sep 14 20:23:55 Def: why you want to compile natively? Sep 14 20:24:20 Pio, plus D compiles insanely fast. Sep 14 20:25:10 A huge game engine I work on compiles in about 4 seconds, and 2 of those are likely caused by the build utility scanning for dependencies. Sep 14 20:25:19 bedboi: Why not? Sep 14 20:25:33 Def: that's the point Sep 14 20:25:34 i mean Sep 14 20:25:45 Nokia themselves have run D on the 770 Sep 14 20:26:05 http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=329290303&size=l Sep 14 20:28:14 That screenie is from a nokia employee. Sep 14 20:31:29 What is root@local host password? Sep 14 20:34:20 Oh. Sep 14 20:34:24 It is rootme Sep 14 20:35:46 rootme Sep 14 20:35:47 <_Monkey> rootme is probably the default pw? Sep 14 20:35:47 yep Sep 14 20:37:00 _Monkey: i still got that thread problem Sep 14 20:37:01 <_Monkey> bedboi: huh? Sep 14 20:37:26 _Monkey: it's so bad. I can't imagine what's the problem Sep 14 20:37:27 <_Monkey> wish i knew, bedboi Sep 14 20:37:44 after g_thread_create it returns but the function don't get called Sep 14 20:37:59 bedboi: pretty sure monkey is a bot Sep 14 20:38:15 LOL Sep 14 20:38:20 monkey is a bot, yes Sep 14 20:38:22 stupid me. Sep 14 20:38:23 aww you spoiled it Sep 14 20:38:29 it works quite wel Sep 14 20:38:36 _Monkey: sort out my problem, slave Sep 14 20:38:37 <_Monkey> bedboi: huh? Sep 14 20:38:44 _Monkey: you are kinda stupid Sep 14 20:38:45 <_Monkey> ...but _monkey is the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | an annoying bot... Sep 14 20:38:49 _monkey, turing test? Sep 14 20:38:49 <_Monkey> celesteh: wish i knew Sep 14 20:39:11 ok it is quite stupid Sep 14 20:39:19 yes _Monkey you are. Sep 14 20:40:17 Harrison Ford would have spotted you in 1 question. Sep 14 20:42:30 Wowsa. Sep 14 20:42:42 Removing http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=329290303&size=l makes the boot time so much better. Sep 14 20:42:46 Amazing. Sep 14 20:44:35 Bleh. Sep 14 20:44:39 I need scratchbox. Sep 14 20:44:48 Hmm, what can I do about this... Sep 14 20:44:49 yep you need it Sep 14 20:45:00 it makes things simple Sep 14 20:45:00 The I need it to get gdc working. Sep 14 20:45:19 * Def checks if his laptop has any empty space. Sep 14 20:45:23 guys anyone of you ever had problems with threading on maemo platform??? Sep 14 20:45:27 Def: you need quite plenty Sep 14 20:45:45 Well, i need a new partition. Sep 14 20:45:54 To throw ubuntu on. Sep 14 20:46:04 I never reboot my desktop. Sep 14 20:46:04 So. Sep 14 20:47:23 Ah. Sep 14 20:47:27 I have 11 gigs. Sep 14 20:47:37 is there any nokia guy out there? I really need some help. Sep 14 20:49:13 i won't ask to disclose secrets ... Sep 14 20:49:17 i swear Sep 14 20:49:30 Why do you need a nokia guy? Sep 14 20:50:04 because the current crowd doesn't know what the problem is perhaps Sep 14 20:50:29 there are apps for the nokia that use threads Sep 14 20:50:31 What linux distribution supports broadcom wireless and gnome networkmanager and is fast to install. Sep 14 20:50:58 Doesn't the runtime provide? Sep 14 20:51:34 pupnik: maybe there is some magic curse Sep 14 20:51:35 sidux lite is deb based, current and takes about 7 minutes. Sep 14 20:51:50 UQM uses threads Sep 14 20:52:07 but your broadcomm module might be non-free Sep 14 20:52:13 pupnik: but the question is: why the application gracefully exits??? Sep 14 20:52:21 i don't know Sep 14 20:52:36 pupnik: in scratchbox it is even worse Sep 14 20:52:41 try the mailing list Sep 14 20:52:56 give some simple code Sep 14 20:53:12 the problem is that the code is quite complicated Sep 14 20:53:28 pupnik: what runtime library are you using? Sep 14 20:53:33 glibc or the other? Sep 14 20:53:51 pupnik: and i use dbus, it could be a problem because n800 is shipped with ancient dbus Sep 14 20:54:07 whatever is on 2006 Sep 14 20:54:21 yep it is ancient, though Sep 14 20:54:34 2006 is middle ages for dbus Sep 14 20:55:03 https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/tags/dbus/1.0.2-0osso10/ Sep 14 20:55:04 hmm Sep 14 20:55:06 what's this Sep 14 20:57:33 I hope wireless works out of the box for me on ubutnu. Sep 14 20:57:37 :S Sep 14 20:58:32 erstazi, Hi, what is the best bluetooth compat keyboard Sep 14 20:58:56 ffoegboy: I don't use a bt keyboard but there are a few that are suggested Sep 14 20:59:11 Deformative: it does, normally Sep 14 20:59:33 erstazi, any thoughts on the best recommended, I am about to buy one? Sep 14 20:59:56 ffoegboy: I never bought one or used one, so its hard for me to make a judgement Sep 14 21:00:09 s/judgement/judgment/ Sep 14 21:00:10 erstazi meant: ffoegboy: I never bought one or used one, so its hard for me to make a judgment Sep 14 21:00:34 erstazi, where is the recommend list? do you know? Sep 14 21:00:45 on http://maemo.org Sep 14 21:03:31 i've only used the stowaway kbd Sep 14 21:03:47 pupnik, Is that good? Sep 14 21:04:15 i love it, but i've only used that one Sep 14 21:05:22 nokia makes one too Sep 14 21:06:22 for me it was important that the keyboard locks into the open position so i can use it on uneven surfaces Sep 14 21:07:05 pupnik, I was just about to ask you that, i need to use it in the car (not while driving lol) Sep 14 21:08:15 it doesn't firmly attatch to the 770, so if you use it on lap, you need a backpack or a case in lap Sep 14 21:08:21 on lap Sep 14 21:08:33 it has a little stand upon which the 770 leans Sep 14 21:08:58 is it an HID keybard? Did you have any trouble connecting to the N770 Sep 14 21:09:07 no trouble - yes hid profile Sep 14 21:09:15 Are there any full size bluetooth keyboards? Sep 14 21:09:42 the computer store near my house is full of them Sep 14 21:10:11 pupnik, Im reading a review about it and it says it folds in the middle when open, didnt you say it locked flat when open? Sep 14 21:10:18 yes Sep 14 21:10:54 pupnik, you mean it does lock open? what model is yours? Sep 14 21:11:10 thinkoutside stowaway Sep 14 21:11:19 sorry my answer should have been no Sep 14 21:11:26 i did not not say it locked flat when open Sep 14 21:11:56 that means it locks into the flat position when opened Sep 14 21:12:01 I want a traditional keyboard type thing. Sep 14 21:12:03 No folding Sep 14 21:12:32 pupnik, sorry i missunderstood when you said that it was important that it locked open i thought that yiours did that Sep 14 21:13:02 it does not not lock into the open position Sep 14 21:13:30 pupnik, i wonder if any do, that sounds like a good feature to have when travelling Sep 14 21:13:46 the thinkoutside stowaway does Sep 14 21:13:55 Are there any non folding blue tooth keyboard compatible with the 770? Sep 14 21:14:16 why Deformative ? Sep 14 21:14:50 Because that is what I want Sep 14 21:14:51 :D Sep 14 21:15:03 where would you use it? Sep 14 21:15:07 I hate mini keyboards. Sep 14 21:15:13 I have really big fingers. Sep 14 21:15:20 pupnik, in the car of on a train, Sep 14 21:15:31 that would be big to carry around Sep 14 21:15:41 the stowaway fits in my pocket and has full size keys Sep 14 21:15:50 I have a bag that I carry my books in. Sep 14 21:15:56 So it wouldn't bother me. Sep 14 21:16:04 I guess a folding one would be good. Sep 14 21:16:05 * Deformative shrugs Sep 14 21:16:20 the folding one is protected. an open one would need a case Sep 14 21:16:31 Ah. Sep 14 21:16:33 Good point. Sep 14 21:17:00 check out the sierra folding keyboard - has 5 rows so you can type numbers and #@$%@$% normally Sep 14 21:18:49 Are all bt keyboards supported or just a portion? Sep 14 21:19:03 all that support hid should work Sep 14 21:19:38 hid ? Sep 14 21:19:39 <_Monkey> somebody said hid was a standard for how interface deviced talk to computers Sep 14 21:19:47 Ah. Sep 14 21:20:25 human-interface-device Sep 14 21:21:46 it's fun to see when monkey actually auto-learns a useful answer Sep 14 21:21:48 maemo hacking is becoming too easy now that you can install ssh and a term from the web browser :) Sep 14 21:22:04 maemo? Sep 14 21:22:05 <_Monkey> maemo is at maemo.org or Open Source Software Sep 14 21:22:15 oh that's a terrible answer, we had a better one Sep 14 21:22:25 maemo? Sep 14 21:22:26 <_Monkey> maemo is at maemo.org or Open Source Software Sep 14 21:22:45 _Monkey has only one memory slot per word it seems Sep 14 21:22:46 <_Monkey> bearclaw_: i'm not following you... Sep 14 21:23:19 maemo? Sep 14 21:23:19 <_Monkey> somebody said maemo was the application development platform for the Nokia Internet Tablets: maemo.org Sep 14 21:23:34 so you don't 'hack maemo' on the device, because maemo isnt on the device Sep 14 21:24:17 you're right, nokia770 I meant Sep 14 21:27:25 Bleh. Sep 14 21:28:00 damn damn damn. Sep 14 21:28:15 g_thread_create does not return null. so wtf is going on there? Sep 14 21:28:56 Try the other rubntime? Sep 14 21:30:29 i only see pthread code on my drive Sep 14 21:31:07 I don't think wireless is working. Sep 14 21:31:08 if( pthread_create( thread, &type, runThread, ( void * ) fn ) != 0 ) { ..... Sep 14 21:34:42 pupnik: GThread's should just use pthread (it is something needed for portability) Sep 14 21:35:08 and btw it is exactly the same, and moreover i don't see why GThread should not work on maemo! Sep 14 21:35:55 and it works perfectly on x86 Sep 14 21:36:49 core_socket_thread = g_thread_create((GThreadFunc)core_socket_up,cs->priv->core_socket, FALSE, NULL); Sep 14 21:37:05 it returns !NULL, but core_socket_up is not called NEVER Sep 14 21:38:13 but i can't believe it's a bug in maemo glib... I guess a lot of people is using threads on maemo Sep 14 21:41:07 bedboi: try sleeping just after the thread_create call Sep 14 21:41:41 (to give a chance to the new thread to be scheduled before current thread does anything) Sep 14 21:41:46 bearclaw_: lol Sep 14 21:42:07 i hope it is not that Sep 14 21:42:16 it would be so bad Sep 14 21:42:26 i doubt it will fix your problem, but it may behave differently Sep 14 21:42:35 bearclaw_: hmm Sep 14 21:42:59 btw i sleep in several place after... let's see what happens Sep 14 21:43:14 shotgun debugging is too bad. Sep 14 21:43:32 because you end up with bad code after (hopefully) fixing Sep 14 21:43:42 bluetooth isn't working on os2007 hacker ed for nokia770, is it a known bug? Is a fix planned? Sep 14 21:44:13 bedboi: I agree, but it might help understanding what is wrong Sep 14 21:45:21 nothing happened Sep 14 21:45:53 you have a printf and something like that at the very beginning of core_socket_up I suppose? Sep 14 21:45:59 yep Sep 14 21:46:03 the VERY Sep 14 21:46:20 i have f***ing printfs all over the place now Sep 14 21:48:20 in the qemu environment is even worse :) Sep 14 21:48:23 bedboi: What are you making? Sep 14 21:48:35 Deformative: what are you meaning? Sep 14 21:48:46 can you do something on the returned gthread object? I dont know glib, but perhaps querying his status or something like that Sep 14 21:48:46 a threaded application Sep 14 21:48:52 What do you need threads for? Sep 14 21:49:03 Deformative: i need threads, full stop. Sep 14 21:49:08 More specific. Sep 14 21:49:22 it's a networking application Sep 14 21:49:33 threads are very usefull in many circumstances. Sep 14 21:49:43 I am not an idiot. Sep 14 21:49:49 I just wanted to know what you were making. Sep 14 21:50:07 Deformative: networking app, I need 3 threads Sep 14 21:50:32 ... Sep 14 21:50:41 I am not interested in the threads. Sep 14 21:50:49 I just wanted to know what it is you are making. Sep 14 21:51:01 Networking app is hardly specific. Sep 14 21:51:21 Deformative: it's some research application for the FIND (Future Internet Design) project Sep 14 21:51:35 Oh, neat. Sep 14 21:51:54 a wider search shows no apps on 770 using g_thread_create . everything is pthread_create so far Sep 14 21:52:03 why is that??? Sep 14 21:52:18 is there something that we should know about glib and maemo? Sep 14 21:52:23 maemo is quite glib-centric Sep 14 21:52:28 i don't know but it's interesting Sep 14 21:52:36 interesting you found this issue Sep 14 21:52:39 so i supposed glib is fully supported and perfectly working on that. Sep 14 21:52:51 damn. Sep 14 21:54:06 i've got a project that doesn't build yet that has g_thread_create, so thanks for bringing this up Sep 14 21:54:17 bedboi: post a testcase to the maemo-devel mailing list Sep 14 21:54:33 it's what i'm doing. Sep 14 21:54:56 btw i want to be sure that GThreads are not working at all, which i guess it's not simply reproducable. Sep 14 21:55:43 i guess that they work at some extent but they are not fully supported or buggy Sep 14 21:56:06 can anyone try "hcitool dev" on a 770 with OS2007 hacker edition? Sep 14 21:56:35 They should work, they shouldn't be buggy Sep 14 21:56:51 bedboi: you are testing on the device, or in scratchbox? Sep 14 21:58:21 device Sep 14 21:58:22 <_Monkey> somebody said device was perfect Sep 14 21:58:40 _Monkey: you should shut your bot-mouth :) Sep 14 21:58:41 <_Monkey> bedboi: what? Sep 14 21:59:03 _Monkey: change to shutup bot Sep 14 21:59:04 <_Monkey> suihkulokki: that doesn't look right Sep 14 21:59:08 :] Sep 14 21:59:19 LOL. Sep 14 21:59:42 i turned that response off Sep 14 22:00:14 bedboi: gthreads are just a wrapper on top of pthreads, so things should work the same way Sep 14 22:00:27 yep that's why i'm not figuring out Sep 14 22:00:38 maybe something bad in GMainLoop Sep 14 22:00:54 bedboi: the only major difference is that on maemo, they are still using linuxthreads, not nptl like your pc probably does Sep 14 22:00:55 GMainLoop is very delicate stuff. Sep 14 22:01:46 but many people do use threads in maemo, so it might be some way of using threads that doesn't work Sep 14 22:02:15 hmm Sep 14 22:02:18 why's that Sep 14 22:02:20 I have a problem with LCARS theme, some apps have black text on black bg labels. I suppose it cannot be fixed without app ingeration, or maybe can it? Sep 14 22:02:40 brb, gotta go to the bank or it will close Sep 14 22:02:44 (like the feed reader or maemopad+) Sep 14 22:03:25 i hate apps that are incompatible with dark themes Sep 14 22:03:30 and webpages too Sep 14 22:04:04 "dur-de-dur... I'll just make the text black, because *everybody* wants black text! dur-de-dur..." Sep 14 22:04:16 well, I cannot agree more. Is there anything better than Maemopad+ or a replacement for Feed reader(along with plugin) Sep 14 22:04:50 I just complain to the author Sep 14 22:05:36 ok, maybe they will comply :> Sep 14 22:07:33 pupnik: do you know why they haven't made "rectangle restoring" after elements going into hide again? The part of the screen becomes black and needs to wait for a redraw. Sep 14 22:08:12 no Sep 14 22:08:25 maybe it saves memory though Sep 14 22:09:27 come on, part of such small screen .. and for not that long. Sep 14 22:09:46 (I mean the buffering sollution) Sep 14 22:10:24 xomap derives from kdrive X server, iirc. And that is designed for the smallest possible footprint. Sep 14 22:11:03 whatever, but the black rects look lame. :) Sep 14 22:11:16 i don't notice anything Sep 14 22:11:46 well, these are not black rects, it's the background. Sep 14 22:11:49 open menu and close Sep 14 22:11:56 you'll see the background Sep 14 22:13:19 ah, after a reboot, my bluetooth device is back Sep 14 22:16:03 right - well sleep calls - cheers Sep 14 22:16:17 'night Sep 14 22:16:25 night Sep 14 22:16:39 Lala Sep 14 22:17:03 Deformative: now I have a good bunch of repos added, and I'm evaluating current apps. Sep 14 22:17:25 :D Sep 14 22:17:35 Too much is closed source. Sep 14 22:17:38 Much more than I expected Sep 14 22:19:02 I am getting scratchbox to work. Sep 14 22:19:09 I made a ubuntu partition on my lappy. Sep 14 22:23:00 stupid question, how do I input 0 with text writing?(not O, 0) Sep 14 22:23:13 I mean hand-writing Sep 14 22:25:22 Hand writing is bad. Sep 14 22:25:32 It wears out the touchscreen real fast. Sep 14 22:25:50 I learned that from past experience on palm. Sep 14 22:26:19 RushPL: write an O and then cross it diagonally. You can go to the "Train Handwriting" program to see how to write letters and numbers. Sep 14 22:26:22 Deformative: yep. it is useless in my opinion Sep 14 22:26:28 thumb keyboard rocks most of the time Sep 14 22:27:07 and it works even if you have to type when walking which happens a lot Sep 14 22:27:18 the writing stuff is impossible in that scenario Sep 14 22:27:30 i never had any luck with that Sep 14 22:30:17 I use the writing when I'm in the console Sep 14 22:30:24 since I'm programmed in a bunch of macros Sep 14 22:30:28 hmm actually strace on x86 reveals a clone syscall which in n800 case doesn't get called Sep 14 22:30:30 for exaple "|more" Sep 14 22:30:36 I just do a certain squiggly Sep 14 22:30:38 and get that Sep 14 22:30:44 or "|greo -i" Sep 14 22:30:47 grep* Sep 14 22:31:04 and several others Sep 14 22:31:24 that, and adding Ctrl-C and Enter to the xterm toolbar Sep 14 22:31:34 made working in the shell on the n800 sooo much faster Sep 14 22:31:41 at least when I don't feel like taking out my keyboard Sep 14 22:34:26 damn, it's real pain debugging this issue. Sep 14 22:35:28 Then don't. Sep 14 22:36:05 Deformative: i'm forced to do that. Sep 14 22:36:11 It's work man. Sep 14 22:36:37 Why do you need g threads? Sep 14 22:36:37 the cool stuff is that it used to work for some random time before. Sep 14 22:36:58 Then use the syscalls directly? Sep 14 22:37:00 I dunno. Sep 14 22:53:35 Why is the sb-menu step not included in the maemo 2.2 tutorial? Sep 14 23:06:24 Then I had to port it again to Scratchbox X86. A whole set of new problems; Sep 14 23:06:24 different levels of libraries, pthreads just didn't work so I had to make my Sep 14 23:06:24 webserver single-threaded, and several build scripts had to be rewritten Sep 14 23:06:26 LOL Sep 14 23:09:19 Does anyone know what the 770's processors excel most at? Sep 14 23:09:57 nope Sep 14 23:09:58 sleeping? Sep 14 23:10:06 exiting without reason? Sep 14 23:19:54 i've sent a mail to the dev mailing list Sep 14 23:22:13 woot Sep 14 23:22:27 bearclaw_: what's up? Sep 14 23:22:27 I just started the Qt example 'puzzle' on the 770 Sep 14 23:22:35 ye? Sep 14 23:22:37 does it work? Sep 14 23:22:47 yes, but no image :) Sep 14 23:22:51 eheh Sep 14 23:22:52 I forgot to copy it Sep 14 23:23:00 ah ok. so qt is working on that Sep 14 23:23:30 it seems so Sep 14 23:29:16 yup, at least jpg display, and drag and drop are working Sep 14 23:34:20 is there a way to make the virtual keyboard appear? Sep 14 23:34:39 tap in any input box. Sep 14 23:34:49 When configuring scratchbox do I use debian-etch lenny or sarge? Sep 14 23:35:17 Deformative: I used the automatic script which worked fine Sep 14 23:35:24 nelson_: I'm using qt :) Sep 14 23:35:28 What script? Sep 14 23:35:31 and its not working Sep 14 23:35:51 maemo-scratchbox-install_3.1.sh Sep 14 23:36:03 I need 2.2 Sep 14 23:36:29 there's likely one for 2.2 too Sep 14 23:36:45 URL? Sep 14 23:38:05 hmm, no there isn't one for 2.2 sorry Sep 14 23:38:29 well, qt works out of the box...as long as you don't need to enter text Sep 14 23:42:56 Hmm. Sep 14 23:43:00 This is hard to setup. Sep 14 23:43:01 :( Sep 14 23:47:42 has anybody tried the frogpad keyboard? http://www.frogpad.com/information/bluefroginfo.asp Sep 14 23:48:28 Ugh. Sep 14 23:48:36 RushPL, how did you get scratchbox working? Sep 14 23:48:45 Nothing in that tutorial is accurate. Sep 14 23:48:52 basically it was 'emerge scratchbox' Sep 14 23:49:04 but I didn't practically got it working, there were some issues Sep 14 23:49:12 I mean, after logging in Sep 14 23:49:22 I'll play with it later :) Sep 14 23:49:39 Hmm. Sep 14 23:49:50 How did you get the maemo sdk working? Sep 14 23:50:27 downloaded it, copied to the scratchbox root and ran some menuconfig app or smth like that Sep 14 23:50:30 menulist I think Sep 14 23:50:40 you then install it from there, selecting the sdk Sep 14 23:50:47 Hmm. Sep 14 23:50:53 This is really really irritating me. Sep 14 23:51:23 I want a script Sep 14 23:51:30 it wouldn't call it pure fun for me either :P Sep 14 23:52:34 oh crap, I accidentally downloaded something big to mmc1 instead of mmc2, everything hanged Sep 14 23:59:10 * Deformative cannot get damn maemo sdk/scratchbox to work. Sep 14 23:59:14 * Deformative goes insane Sep 15 00:02:43 cool, it is not so good to /etc/init.d/dbus restart :) Sep 15 00:54:31 Can someone please tar up a working maemo/scratchbox sdk for me please? Sep 15 00:58:01 Can someone at least help me? Sep 15 00:58:07 205 people and no help. Sep 15 00:58:19 Least talkative irc channel ever. Sep 15 00:58:20 Heh. Sep 15 00:58:33 tar? Sep 15 00:58:34 <_Monkey> i heard tar was distributed with busybox, which is default last I checked Sep 15 00:58:38 are you crazy? Sep 15 00:58:56 ? Sep 15 00:59:34 than it would be even worse for you Sep 15 00:59:45 Why? Sep 15 00:59:48 to get the stuff working Sep 15 00:59:57 I doubt it. Sep 15 01:00:15 because in the installation some files go in /etc/init.d/ for instance Sep 15 01:00:19 and what else Sep 15 01:00:20 This tutorial is completely ugh. Sep 15 01:00:32 Nothing there wirjs, Sep 15 01:01:04 brb, going home Sep 15 01:01:04 s/wirjs/works Sep 15 01:05:07 Deformative: so have you managed to log into scratchbox or not? Sep 15 01:05:19 Yes. Sep 15 01:05:30 installed SDK? Sep 15 01:05:45 But the version of scratchbox says that all the commands for installing the sdk is obsolete. Sep 15 01:05:48 (tutorial is not precisely exact, I think it's a bit outdated) Sep 15 01:05:52 ah :) Sep 15 01:06:06 there is one replacement command, that menu thing Sep 15 01:06:42 I know, but I cannot get it working. Sep 15 01:11:40 RushPL: Halp? Sep 15 01:13:21 erm, don't know how. So what are you exactly stucked on? Sep 15 01:13:25 installing sdk? Sep 15 01:13:32 Yes. Sep 15 01:14:11 so, upload your sdk to scratchbox's root Sep 15 01:14:25 do /scratchbox/login (or wherever you have it) Sep 15 01:14:30 Uh Sep 15 01:14:47 The tutorial says /scratchbox/login Sep 15 01:14:50 damn Sep 15 01:14:54 now you got me saying it Sep 15 01:14:59 The tutorial says /scratchbox/packages Sep 15 01:15:45 whatever, you select the file anyway Sep 15 01:15:51 I know. Sep 15 01:15:54 Which one do I need? Sep 15 01:16:02 probably both Sep 15 01:16:17 the pc one is for testing locally, and arm is for cross-compiling Sep 15 01:16:26 "Our reposiotry" points to only ONE Sep 15 01:16:27 the qemu won't be doing any cpu emulation Sep 15 01:16:30 Which pissed me off. Sep 15 01:16:44 I remember downloading both without a glitch :P Sep 15 01:17:04 So I need i386 and armel? Sep 15 01:17:14 yep Sep 15 01:17:56 o Sep 15 01:18:02 ops Sep 15 01:21:40 Is there a tutorial for installing gcc on the nokia? Sep 15 01:23:41 RushPL: I got the rootstrap Sep 15 01:25:02 Deformative: superb, now do the scratchbox login and run sb-menu afterwards Sep 15 01:25:12 Done Sep 15 01:25:13 then "Create a new target" for each of the images Sep 15 01:25:49 and after that I think you should try to get that virtual X server, but I didn't manage to get that running. Good luck. :) Sep 15 01:26:30 Deformati: i remember that it was not that difficult setting up sbox Sep 15 01:26:52 The tutorial is COMPLETELY obsolete Sep 15 01:26:54 Nothing works Sep 15 01:27:46 Deformative: that's more FUUN this way! :> Sep 15 01:27:58 Not at all. Sep 15 01:30:22 can I force maemo's application to NOT delete my emails while I delete them locally? Sep 15 01:30:41 and it mixes all my emails from all accounts together :O Sep 15 01:30:53 Deformative: halp! Sep 15 01:31:16 ? Sep 15 01:31:22 I dunno. Sep 15 01:31:27 I set up gmail to work it it. Sep 15 01:31:31 But I didn't delete anything. Sep 15 01:32:46 There is no explanation for xephyr Sep 15 01:33:18 wtf, now it just asked me what to do. It just wanted to delete all from the server the last time. Sep 15 01:33:39 Deformative: xephyr is in xorg, should be shipped with arch. Sep 15 01:33:53 also you may find it as 'kdrive' or smth like that Sep 15 01:34:06 I installed ubuntu on an extra disk Sep 15 01:34:16 and the Tutorial suggests that Xephyr is actually in the scratchbox installation, it is not. Sep 15 01:34:23 Oh. Sep 15 01:34:25 Weirddd. Sep 15 01:34:27 so fuck the tutorial and install it separately. Sep 15 01:34:53 it just needs to set up a local X session at :2 Sep 15 01:35:15 Pisses me off. Sep 15 01:35:24 n800 gets a script to install this shit. Sep 15 01:36:08 we are poor n770 :( Sep 15 01:36:27 but n770 has far cooler looks! Sep 15 01:37:30 the fcuk, I can only locally delete only ONE message. Sep 15 01:41:47 All of the apps I have used on the 770 have been pretty shitty. Sep 15 01:42:07 Except like, the network manager, I like that one. Sep 15 01:44:33 I quite like the simple design of many of the apps, quite suits the LCARS-PADD theme. Sep 15 01:45:03 Deformative: http://home.rushabse.net/~rush/muu.jpg - From yesterday, my first run of xterm + ssh. :P Sep 15 01:45:41 but unfortunately many apps screw the font colors :( Sep 15 01:47:08 wow, is it normal that sbox uses svn 1.1? Sep 15 01:47:13 it is damn old Sep 15 01:47:14 and buggy Sep 15 01:47:20 and it doesn't support pegs Sep 15 01:47:24 at least for me Sep 15 01:47:51 but some operations take pretty damn long on Nokiam, and not everything has busy notifications. Sep 15 01:48:14 RushPL, the design is good, the apps are shit. Sep 15 01:48:36 The browser keeps crashing. Sep 15 01:48:55 The pdf viewer is pretty good. Sep 15 01:49:01 The contact stuff is HORRID. Sep 15 01:49:02 Deformative: and I don't like the mess when the windows are disappering, they leave rectangles which are filled with background. Sep 15 01:49:12 I think it should be possible to buffer what was underneath. Sep 15 01:49:27 What windows are disappearing? Sep 15 01:49:42 click on menu, and click again to hide it. Sep 15 01:49:57 Oh. Sep 15 01:49:58 you should have some content underneath Sep 15 01:50:13 all disappearing windows leave that crap. Sep 15 01:50:34 Deformative: you're X11 specialist, do something about that. :P Sep 15 01:50:48 Doesn't happen for me. Sep 15 01:50:51 how about brutally hacking the source and do raw framebuffer reading/writing? :D I could do that Sep 15 01:51:00 Doesn't happen for me. Sep 15 01:51:04 Deformative: impossible, it has to ;) Sep 15 01:51:17 What os version? Sep 15 01:51:25 OS2006 Sep 15 01:51:26 <_Monkey> well, OS2006 is the second ABI (armel) for the Nokia 770 Sep 15 01:51:43 I am using os2006 v2 Sep 15 01:52:06 I was thinking about upgrading to v3, but I didn't see a reason to. Sep 15 01:52:22 I have v3, but that quirks happened on 2005 too. Sep 15 01:52:35 It really doesn't happen for me. Sep 15 01:53:34 I want to do some fixing, but so much is closed source. Sep 15 01:53:35 :( Sep 15 01:53:47 I want to do a top down rewrite in D. Sep 15 01:54:53 okay, maybe another quirk you will find actually notice. Sep 15 01:55:27 when those fancy themed menus pop-up, first the black rect is being drawn, then you can see the theme parts appearing. Sep 15 01:55:40 it's not being drawn in some backbuffer. Sep 15 01:56:02 Wait, what? Sep 15 01:56:03 <_Monkey> Wait, is nflick an uploader? Sep 15 01:56:11 it's not any fps intensive thing so it should be displayed once it is displayed. Sep 15 01:56:15 arm Sep 15 01:56:17 rendered Sep 15 01:56:33 No, explain how to reproduce. Sep 15 01:56:40 I think you have something messed up on your box. Sep 15 01:56:48 Because I have no idea what you are talking about. Sep 15 01:57:42 Maybe it is just your theme? Sep 15 02:02:31 Rush? Sep 15 02:02:38 Deformative: http://home.rushabse.net/~rush/770quirks.avi Sep 15 02:03:53 Sec, I need to install a movie player on this desktop Sep 15 02:04:36 lol Sep 15 02:04:44 buntubu Sep 15 02:04:46 no video player Sep 15 02:04:55 Ubuntu is on the laptop Sep 15 02:05:00 This is desktop Sep 15 02:05:17 ah, buu, youtube generation then. :> Sep 15 02:07:43 Ah Sep 15 02:07:50 That is so minimal. Sep 15 02:07:55 But yeah, that should be an easy fix. Sep 15 02:08:29 If that part is open, that is. Sep 15 02:08:32 I do not consider this minimal, I have good eyes for such things. Too much shooters. Sep 15 02:08:51 In X, you simply need to parent all the subwindows before the menu is mapped to screen. Sep 15 02:09:17 With a white theme it is far less noticeable. Sep 15 02:09:26 and this is parented to the background? Sep 15 02:09:43 like, root? Sep 15 02:10:04 The menu should be parented to root, yes, but the things you click on are parented to the menu. Sep 15 02:10:21 I find it VERY odd that it acts this way, I had figured gtk would eliminate such a problem. Sep 15 02:16:36 So. Sep 15 02:16:43 Deformative desperately wants to do so dev. Sep 15 02:16:52 I would like to be independent of the computer. Sep 15 02:16:54 Pure nokia. Sep 15 02:17:10 Just because it seems that the computer support is all but useless. Sep 15 02:18:48 No replies from nokia regarding gdc... Sep 15 02:18:50 :( Sep 15 02:21:11 <[31d1]> is it possible to get better flash support without macromedia doing it? Sep 15 02:22:19 s/macromedia/adobe Sep 15 02:22:30 And linux/FreeBSD has been wondering that for years. Sep 15 02:22:40 <[31d1]> oh, yeah Sep 15 02:22:48 <[31d1]> youtube viewer pls Sep 15 02:23:07 You could get gnash, but it's shitatic. Sep 15 02:23:20 it could play youtube though Sep 15 02:23:34 they were optimizing it for the sole purpose :D Sep 15 02:24:44 I do not know if it could play youtube on the nokia though. Sep 15 02:25:10 RushPL, so, this is interesting, how will we get gdc on the nokia? I guess we have to cross compile. Sep 15 02:25:19 That can be done without the gui. Sep 15 02:25:33 So we should be able to do it on our scratchbox installations? Sep 15 02:26:12 theoretically : Sep 15 02:26:13 :) Sep 15 02:28:16 Email this guy RushPL: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/archives/digitalmars/D/gdc_nokia_arm-_-gnueabi_46720.html Sep 15 02:28:25 If he gives us a .deb it would save us a shit of work. Sep 15 02:28:43 Weird the way he is not in X. Sep 15 02:28:52 Oh, maybe fulls screen term Sep 15 02:29:01 No wait Sep 15 02:29:06 Full screen doesn't look like that. Sep 15 02:29:37 Maybe different version of the term. Sep 15 02:30:25 Oh, it does look like that with menus turned off. Sep 15 02:30:26 Neat. Sep 15 02:37:18 Oh. Sep 15 02:37:30 Wait, it doesn't work with armel Sep 15 02:37:33 Damnittt,. Sep 15 02:37:42 We shall make it work. Sep 15 02:42:14 wow, mplayer on 770 is really running well Sep 15 02:42:25 I could watch fullscreen movies on this thing Sep 15 02:42:58 What is CodeSourcery ? Sep 15 02:43:11 RushPL: not enough storage. Sep 15 02:43:28 Deformative: of course enough, after reencoding. Sep 15 02:43:42 Well. Sep 15 02:43:45 http://bleb.org/software/770/770-encode.pl Sep 15 02:44:56 dunno about CodeSourcery Sep 15 02:45:51 I'm encoding Bourne :D **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Sep 15 02:59:57 2007