**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 19 02:59:57 2007 Sep 19 03:00:01 nope Sep 19 03:00:31 a collection of touch screen games for linux. Sep 19 03:00:45 works for maemo. Sep 19 03:01:09 but screen resolution is screwed, becuase its viewed in windowed mode. Sep 19 03:01:20 and some of the screen is MIA Sep 19 03:01:48 fullscreen it would be a nice hit for the maemo platform. Sep 19 03:03:08 excellent find Sep 19 03:03:42 wonder if it can be submitted to those indt guys.. Sep 19 03:04:40 they handle gaming for the devices? Sep 19 03:06:10 duno Sep 19 03:06:59 http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=152865 Sep 19 03:07:05 screenies Sep 19 03:09:02 playing ... Sep 19 03:09:52 you are quick on the compile. Sep 19 03:10:16 this is really nicely done Sep 19 03:11:07 only flaw is that it will not automatically do fullscreen...well on maemo that is.. Sep 19 03:23:40 just needs hildon wrapper afaict Sep 19 03:24:13 i haven't done that yet Sep 19 03:24:30 lots of ppl here could do it in their sleep though Sep 19 03:58:59 wow Sep 19 03:59:04 unique311: still there? Sep 19 04:16:28 unique311: this main.cpp creates the hildon window and initially sets it to fullscreen, but something is setting it back to windowed mode. http://pastebin.ca/702858 Sep 19 04:18:08 you'll need to add "-lhildonwidgets" to the link flags in the Makefile Sep 19 04:55:12 Does anyone know if there are plans to add the en_AU locale to those available in the N800, now that Nokia are selling these in Australia? Sep 19 05:12:22 MWAAAHAHAHAHA Sep 19 05:14:18 Dawnmist: I hope so - I had to add the Adelaide timezone to the clock manually. Sep 19 05:33:07 unique311: looks like a bunch of these games are hardcoded for 800x600 - will take some time to adjust them to 800x480 - but fs is working now - :)) http://pupnik.de/touchmegames_770.jpg Sep 19 05:35:05 if anyone who knows hildon wants to do this, please leave me a message Sep 19 05:41:51 http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.11/GtkWindow.html <-- nice overview of teh window funxtins Sep 19 05:42:26 gtkwindow is documented at http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.11/GtkWindow.html Sep 19 05:47:40 <`0660> oh shit. they have started selling n800 in australia Sep 19 05:47:59 <`0660> i thought i would be the first one to have it there when i move the in next month :P Sep 19 05:48:06 <`0660> there Sep 19 05:55:11 yeah, they have started - although their website still says 'coming soon'. Sep 19 05:56:17 I'm finding it frustrating with either having the date wrong (US's MM/DD/YYYY) or the keyboard/currency wrong (GB pounds & symbols) Sep 19 05:56:45 And of course the 12 hour clock - but that'll probably not be fixed by using the en_AU locale Sep 19 06:00:15 <`0660> you should try fi_FI locale. it has a 24 hour clock ;) Sep 19 06:00:52 <`0660> hmm Sep 19 06:01:25 <`0660> i'm pretty sure you should be able to tweak it to work the way you want Sep 19 06:02:40 <`0660> just keep the Device language as british and try finding a regional setting close to australia Sep 19 06:10:34 Does fi_FI use '$' signs and '.' as decimal separators? Sep 19 06:16:38 Dawnmist: are you asking seriously? Sep 19 06:16:53 Dawnmist: we use $VARIABLES :) Sep 19 06:17:03 Dawnmist: but the currency is € Sep 19 06:17:22 I am - since I'm at work, and can't test it - and the device doesn't have the en_AU locale. Sep 19 06:17:36 Dawnmist: I get confused about the separators myself. Sep 19 06:18:04 And unfortunately, neither the en_GB or the en_US actually match our stuff properly - we've got a mishmash in between them. Sep 19 06:18:16 Dawnmist: it seems my bank uses , and , is what is on the numpad Sep 19 06:19:07 We use $ and '.', with DD/MM/YYYY dates and GB spelling (at least mainly GB spelling) and are completely metric. Sep 19 06:20:21 So if I use the US keyboard and $/'.', I get horrible dates and spelling - and I'd assume non-metric measurements. If I use the GB, I get pounds and funny keys on my keyboard :( Sep 19 06:21:55 And the en_AU locale hasn't been included on the device, even though they're starting to officially sell it in Australia. Sep 19 06:24:00 <`0660> you should file a bug about it in their bugzilla Sep 19 06:24:17 <`0660> that would be an easy way to make sure it will be in the next release Sep 19 06:25:07 Ok :) Sep 19 06:25:45 <`0660> which i think will be out before the end of this year Sep 19 06:27:17 <`0660> to stop rumours from spreading my estimate is not based on any inside knowledge :) Sep 19 06:34:23 hmm do not try to compile debhelper 5 without a backup scratchbox Sep 19 06:34:28 compile/install Sep 19 06:34:57 what's different about en_AU to en_GB or whatever? Sep 19 06:42:09 * pupnik punches his chest and disappears in a cloud Sep 19 06:47:45 pupnik: For GB - Keyboard, currency, some language/spelling differences Sep 19 06:48:37 pupnik: For US - Date display, more spelling differences, metric units (i.e. A4 not letter) Sep 19 07:15:53 is there some sorta id3 editor on the n800? Sep 19 07:16:20 just quick and dirty edit; dont need to do mass tagging Sep 19 07:35:29 Morning, all Sep 19 07:40:02 Dawnmist: see bug Sep 19 07:40:05 Dawnmist: see bug #303 Sep 19 07:40:06 <_Monkey> Bug 303 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 Sep 19 07:55:49 I've looked at bug 303, and realise it's related - but it also doesn't change the fact that Nokia *should* include the locale of a country that it's selling in, rather than making every customer in that country have to rebuild their package to include it, since they've excluded the POSIX locale completely for Australia. Sep 19 07:55:50 <_Monkey> Bug 303 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=303 Sep 19 07:56:37 I found it earlier today - and will give it a go this evening, but I have to create the build environment, etc first. Sep 19 07:58:44 Tried apt-get installing 'locales' last night - but while I can see en_AU in /usr/share/locales, I still couldn't select it, so I'm not sure where they're shoving the 'approved' ones. And since I only got the N800 yesterday lunchtime, I'm still working my way through this setup stuff *smiles* Sep 19 08:01:19 But I thought it worth seeing if there was any intention now that they are selling it in Australia to include the Australian localisation info, since it'd save me work both now and with future updates :) Sep 19 08:01:55 Dawnmist: where did you buy it from, and how much? (I had to get mine at Heathrow last time I was travelling on business) Sep 19 08:02:33 $599, at Organiser World in Melbourne (1 block from where I work, so was convenient). Sep 19 08:03:40 http://www.ow.com.au/shop/Nokia/Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet Sep 19 10:55:41 hello, might I ask a retarded question about the Nokia N800? Sep 19 10:56:09 downloaded applications get installed where? to the "internal" memory card slot? Sep 19 10:56:15 or is there a choice? Sep 19 10:57:27 internal flash Sep 19 10:57:28 <_Monkey> i heard internal flash was generally not "readonly" Sep 19 10:57:46 internal flash is only 128 mb? Sep 19 10:58:39 doesn't that limit how many apps you can install? Sep 19 10:58:44 770 has 64mb and it's never run out on my device Sep 19 10:59:05 wow, ok Sep 19 10:59:34 so i guess that means i don't need to buy a sd card specifically to store apps Sep 19 10:59:53 since you can only install to flash Sep 19 11:03:47 MWHAR!!!1 Sep 19 11:03:50 oneone Sep 19 11:03:59 got sega genesis emu running Sep 19 11:05:53 without hacks you won't actually be able to run programs from mmc/sd cards, as they're mounted noexec Sep 19 11:10:43 even the programs installed from maemo.org? Sep 19 11:11:08 yes Sep 19 11:11:25 but if you install to flash, you're fine...sounds sensible Sep 19 11:18:22 i think you could format a mmc as ext2, mount it and do links so that apps are installed on it Sep 19 11:18:52 ok, but i take it most people don't need to worry about resorting to that Sep 19 11:24:09 but the noexec would still forbid you! Sep 19 11:24:58 good morning (~ugt) Sep 19 11:24:59 that's fine...i'll just go with the flow and not try to get ahead of myself :) Sep 19 11:25:20 Hi lardman are you here!! Sep 19 11:25:52 i have to go to sleep now, but thanks all for your help Sep 19 11:37:16 I boot the whole system off of SD/MMC Sep 19 11:37:30 I have a 1GB ext2 partition for the rootfs and applications. Sep 19 11:54:35 has anybody managed to do x11forwarding with dropbear? I constantly get X auth refused even withXomap -ac. drives me nuts! Sep 19 11:58:29 OuiD: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=75658 seems to have a lot of discussion on the subject, not sure there's a solution in there though Sep 19 12:02:38 Knirch: thanx I'm user 'free' on this forum :) Sep 19 12:03:41 oh, i just noticed bluetooth file transfers work really on ubuntu+n800 Sep 19 12:04:12 you can send files both ways easily Sep 19 12:04:26 OuiD: then I guess you know of that thread ;) Sep 19 12:08:58 Knirch: yeah I'm waiting for your contribution ;) Sep 19 12:12:46 OuiD: :) My 770 is misplaced at the moment and I don't have a personal interest in using forwarding, so my contribution will most likely take a while :D Sep 19 14:37:04 Hmm .. Sep 19 14:45:59 Is it possible to get the hildon version at runtime? Sep 19 16:02:26 why do i have to add user/ to the "Section" of all debs? Sep 19 16:09:16 pardon me, i broked seomthing Sep 19 16:09:19 ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libpthread.so is too small, not checked. Sep 19 16:09:19 ldconfig: File /usr/lib/libc.so is too small, not checked. Sep 19 16:09:26 what the fix? Sep 19 16:09:51 my libs are bigger than your libs Sep 19 16:09:56 useful sp3000 is useful Sep 19 16:13:04 this is part of libc6 Sep 19 16:13:05 ? Sep 19 16:15:03 dpkg -L libc6 |grep thread ayh Sep 19 16:15:24 fixed et, me maytees Sep 19 16:18:00 ~nobody knoes, the dependencies i've seen~ Sep 19 16:18:09 ~nobody knoes, bat jeeebus~ Sep 19 17:06:56 hi Sep 19 17:07:09 good morning Andy80 Sep 19 17:08:12 * Andy80 19:06 here :) Sep 19 17:08:44 ~UCT Sep 19 17:08:51 ciao Andy80 ;) Sep 19 17:09:20 is b0unc3 a bot? Sep 19 17:09:38 no... Sep 19 17:09:51 sorry :P Sep 19 17:09:57 b0unc3: .it ? Sep 19 17:10:17 ~nobody knoes, the dependencies i've seen~ Sep 19 17:10:27 Andy80: yes Sep 19 17:20:16 libflac and friends built Sep 19 17:26:09 libsmpeg and friends built Sep 19 17:35:39 libvorbisidec1_1.0.2+svn12153-1_armel.deb and -dev built Sep 19 17:40:31 bleh building tetex-base is not fun Sep 19 17:41:42 repositories? Sep 19 17:41:42 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Sep 19 17:51:36 gs and gs-gpl built Sep 19 17:54:27 gs-common built Sep 19 17:59:09 speex and libspeex built Sep 19 18:01:34 what do you guys use as mediaserver?.. Sep 19 18:01:37 (what software) Sep 19 18:01:53 I use apache2 on my main server. Sep 19 18:01:59 and vlc on my work machine Sep 19 18:02:24 oh.. well i mean for upnp or daap Sep 19 18:02:48 <||cw> are there a lot of options? Sep 19 18:04:20 dont know.. ive try three that doesn work. and on windows cannot make one work.. :P Sep 19 18:04:24 * killfill feels stupid Sep 19 18:04:33 TVersity Sep 19 18:04:47 mayeb its not a mediaserver really.. :P Sep 19 18:05:11 can't you just nfs mount your desktop computer Sep 19 18:05:20 and access files over that Sep 19 18:06:10 * mgedmin will wait until the tablest can "just nfs mount" out of the box without painful kernel upgrades, thank you very much Sep 19 18:06:58 yeah, that would have been nice Sep 19 18:07:09 I haven't had mine for long, so far I've mostly scp:ed over media I wanted to play Sep 19 18:07:26 yeah, that's the reason people buy iphones and not n800's - missing nfs support Sep 19 18:08:47 killfill: I use slimserver Sep 19 18:08:55 killfill: its very efficient Sep 19 18:09:27 on a side note, I find NFS to be very dreadful, even though I have 2 PC's with XPP, I just find EXT3 or ReiserFS to be more efficient Sep 19 18:09:33 and I don't need to defrag Sep 19 18:09:59 erstazi, how can you compare NFS with EXT3 and ReiserFS? Sep 19 18:10:07 one is a filesystem, the other is a network protocol Sep 19 18:10:11 nfs.. not ntfs.. :) Sep 19 18:10:20 ahaha Sep 19 18:10:21 ok Sep 19 18:10:25 * erstazi lays off the jd Sep 19 18:11:43 its kind of like network shares in windows, except good Sep 19 18:11:45 :P Sep 19 18:12:00 damn.. 27 MB is slimserver.. Sep 19 18:12:09 im over a 10k connection.. :S Sep 19 18:12:17 sshfs support would be nice out of the box Sep 19 18:12:32 but the encryption can slow things down on a device like the N800, who doesn't have the fastest cpu Sep 19 18:14:41 hi. is it known that scratchbox installations using the 4.0beta script don't work when using a non /scratchbox path? (rpath...) if not, is the maemo bugzilla the right place to report it? Sep 19 18:15:42 libid3-3.8.3c2a_3.8.3-6_armel.deb built Sep 19 18:15:56 hm.. but slimserver isnt a daap server, is it?.. Sep 19 18:16:11 * mgedmin is just allergic to words "just" and "simply" used in explanations Sep 19 18:18:01 <||cw> iphone supports nfs? Sep 19 18:18:08 <||cw> did I read that right? Sep 19 18:20:02 no, I was being extremely sarcastic Sep 19 18:20:45 <||cw> k Sep 19 18:21:14 should i disable unaligned memory access for speed ? Sep 19 18:44:13 say, is python available for the sdk4.0 beta? Sep 19 18:46:55 tomv, not yet. I can generate it under x86 target, but the armel target has a problem with qemu Sep 19 18:50:01 tomv, it doesn't allow to use threads (its related with a lack of NPTL support inside qemu) Sep 19 18:51:17 luck^: what's with the recipe on your blog? Sep 19 18:52:10 tomv, it works with alpha version Sep 19 18:52:48 luck^, could I try it for the beta or is that doomed to fail? Sep 19 18:54:20 tomv, I suppose it will fail, because they removed some libs from alpha version.. but you can try :) Sep 19 18:56:38 hi, (i'm currently poking through the irclog, but) I'm wondering if there is anything other than octave that works as a good scientific calculator (think physics course work) for the n800 Sep 19 18:59:16 nice, hp 42s emulator, I suppose that could work Sep 19 19:03:39 ok. will do. I guess that when the problem is qemu-related, it's complicated enough not to be worked on by the random passer-by... Sep 19 19:03:45 luck^: ^ Sep 19 19:07:11 tomv, unfortunately :( Sep 19 19:09:42 luck^: hm. :( so is your blog the place to watch? Sep 19 19:11:09 tomv, for sure. I'm only posting things related to pymaemo Sep 19 19:12:40 new dosbox - http://pupnik.de/dosbox_0.71-0.1_armel.deb Sep 19 19:15:43 luck^: ok. thanks for now. and good luck! Sep 19 19:15:53 ok ppl, 2 questions :) how i install a gcc and where i can get a nice sources.list for a new n800 ? Sep 19 19:16:19 repositories? Sep 19 19:16:19 <_Monkey> rumour has it repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Sep 19 19:16:20 tomv, thanks! :) Sep 19 19:16:23 scratchbox? Sep 19 19:16:24 <_Monkey> hmmm... scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O Sep 19 19:16:36 Thanatermesis: ^^ Sep 19 19:17:52 thx pupnik :) Sep 19 19:18:06 about the repositories... is safe that i add "all the repositories" ? Sep 19 19:18:20 or exist some conficts between libs and stuff ? Sep 19 19:18:21 conflicts* Sep 19 19:20:56 if there's somebody here who's involved with the chinook rootstraps, I've couple of questions Sep 19 19:21:18 1: what do you smoke? Sep 19 19:21:37 So bored. Sep 19 19:22:14 2: could you please stop and have some Clue(TM) instead? Sep 19 19:24:16 is it possible to start windows from the command prompt? Sep 19 19:24:17 sorry Sep 19 19:24:35 if you install windows first :P Sep 19 19:26:10 So bored. Sep 19 19:26:18 Oh Sep 19 19:26:24 I already said that, Sep 19 19:26:26 still bored? Sep 19 19:26:46 Yeahh... Sep 19 19:29:24 the applications give with the tablet (maemo apps?), are open source ? Sep 19 19:30:52 <||cw> Thanatermesis: much of it is, but not all Sep 19 19:32:39 Hello all.. Greetings from Alaska... Sep 19 19:32:54 Someone have a moment to help me with the new browser? Sep 19 19:35:06 Please? Sorry I forgot that.. Sep 19 19:36:58 the applications that n800 has, are open source ? Sep 19 19:37:13 <||cw> akjohn: be more specific? Sep 19 19:37:20 <||cw> Thana`: much of it is, but not all Sep 19 19:37:39 ||cw, some applications seems interesting, like the wifi or bluetooth ones Sep 19 19:38:14 ||cw, Ah, thanks. I would like to change the browser engine the UI is using but I can not seem to find any documentation on how to do that.. Sep 19 19:38:18 <||cw> the wifi driver in 770 was not, not sure about the 800, and I don't know about the applet Sep 19 19:38:49 <||cw> akjohn: the browser is opera, I'm not aware that the "engine" can be changed Sep 19 19:38:56 <||cw> you can install another browser though Sep 19 19:39:07 no, driver no... the GUI apps :) Sep 19 19:39:11 btw, what's the WM ? Sep 19 19:39:26 ||cw, I have installed the microb engine, but I now cannot switch back to the opera engine.. Sep 19 19:40:02 ||cw, I would like to be able to switch back and forth without the uninstall/install hassle. Seems like it could be done.. Sep 19 19:40:03 <||cw> Thana`: maemo Sep 19 19:40:25 so no chinook developers alive here? Sep 19 19:40:43 lle2: I'm trying it out Sep 19 19:41:00 <||cw> akjohn: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/27589 Sep 19 19:41:05 bmidgley: it's not even trying to work for me Sep 19 19:41:26 bmidgley: apt-get source libglib2.0-0 fails... Sep 19 19:42:28 lle2: some strange error about IP not found eh Sep 19 19:42:47 for me it says that glib2.0 doesn't exist Sep 19 19:42:54 I'm on sb2 obviously Sep 19 19:43:28 3.1 rootstrap works just fine, to the extent that I expect, which is not that much, but still. Sep 19 19:43:29 lle2: looks like their repository needs updating Sep 19 19:44:03 Anyone know how to type the "esc" key in the xterm? Sep 19 19:44:21 Ctrl-[ or ] ? Sep 19 19:44:25 the backflipping arrowy thing Sep 19 19:44:25 [ i think Sep 19 19:44:28 or that Sep 19 19:44:54 yeah I couldn't find the | symbol either Sep 19 19:45:01 <||cw> akjohn: the circle-arrow hardware button is ESC Sep 19 19:45:51 I'm starting to suspect that chinook SDK will be a total disaster for sb2 use Sep 19 19:46:20 what is bora, mistral.. Sep 19 19:46:33 ||cw, Back to Opera! Sweet. Thanks for the help. Now how come in my multi-hour search a thon I could not find that. Sep 19 19:46:41 <||cw> Thana`: version, like debian's sarge, etch Sep 19 19:46:57 killfill: I use mediatomb as a mediaserver. It works okay. www.mediatomb.cc Sep 19 19:47:09 ||cw, I can use gmail again.. Sep 19 19:47:10 darr, speaking of opera, i have to upgrade to te newer OS image one of these days Sep 19 19:47:14 are there any gotchas with it? Sep 19 19:47:20 the one nokia released recently-ish Sep 19 19:47:24 <||cw> akjohn: I just searched for "microb opera" and that was on the first page Sep 19 19:47:30 i was installing some packages for a mozilla engine and it killed my opera install Sep 19 19:47:33 aha, and what's one ? bora is the stable and mistral is the testing ? Sep 19 19:47:43 ||cw, Sigh.. I was getting too complicated with the search terms I guess.. Sep 19 19:47:48 perhaps that is what we were talking about? Sep 19 19:48:07 <||cw> Thana`: no, they are just versions. I don't recall what's the newest Sep 19 19:48:10 rev, Its fine as far as I can tell.. Finger input is better in some ways and worse in others.. Sep 19 19:49:31 rev, The new browser crashes a little too much for me though.. Sep 19 19:49:39 akjohn: does it fix the crappiness of stylus input i have on my N800 (that I didn't on my 770) ? Sep 19 19:49:56 rev, Mmm.. Maybe, what crappiness are you referring to? :-) Sep 19 19:49:59 akjohn: oh? crashy? i never had many problems on my n800 or 770, with the older images i've used... something to be concerned about? Sep 19 19:50:26 akjohn: maybe, but i never do finger input. for instance, when i am entering text w/ the softkeyboard, i often have to go back and do it again, this time slowly and watching to make sure the key lights up Sep 19 19:50:26 rev, Just in the new browser.. Everything else seems fine.. Sep 19 19:50:46 rev, Mmm.. I have not noticed that problem.. Sep 19 19:50:49 akjohn: but it happens often enough that i know it isn't just me, because it began happening the day i got my N800 and ditched my 770 Sep 19 19:51:02 if i type "ls -l" in xterm, it usually registers "ll" or something Sep 19 19:51:06 and i'm not going all that fast Sep 19 19:51:13 it just doesn't register a tap Sep 19 19:51:15 rev, Mmm. Nope. I do not have that problem at all.. Sep 19 19:51:16 ah Sep 19 19:51:18 ok Sep 19 19:51:21 harumph Sep 19 19:55:24 ||cw, Thanks again. I am back in business.. Sep 19 19:55:35 ||cw, ok, im going to add some repositories to have a big list of applications available that my GF can install what she want... its a problem that i can add all the repos available ? Sep 19 21:10:23 Hi, can somebody help me with creating of a *.desktop file for maemo? I've never did it before... when I do '/bin/sh /media/mmc2/flashcards/flashcards.sh' it all works, but when exactly the same thing put into "Exec" field of desktop-file, it doesn't... I'm asking because I have no idea how to debug it Sep 19 21:15:29 can a desktop work with a .sh script? Sep 19 21:15:55 maybe the X-Osso-Type= is mismatched? Sep 19 21:16:06 port/timer.c: In function `read_rdtsc': Sep 19 21:16:07 port/timer.c:35: error: impossible constraint in `asm' Sep 19 21:16:12 * pupnik bangs head on desk Sep 19 21:16:43 pupnik, X-Osso-Type=application/x-executable Sep 19 21:16:56 i can only guess, rittyan1 Sep 19 21:17:01 I don't know whether it can or can't work with a .sh script (why not) Sep 19 21:17:27 is a sh script really an executable? Sep 19 21:17:38 pupnik, also strange thing... when I have #!/bin/sh in my file, it says "permission denied" when I execute it with "./flashcards.sh".. but when I do "/bin/sh flashcards.sh" it works... any idea? Sep 19 21:17:44 pupnik, tried chmod +x and chmod 777 Sep 19 21:18:07 pupnik: read_rdtsc sounds really x86 specific Sep 19 21:18:20 hrm thanks suihkulokki Sep 19 21:18:56 aka. wahat exactly are you compiling? Sep 19 21:19:18 gens, genesis emulator Sep 19 21:19:27 just slogged through the sloppy build system Sep 19 21:19:32 agh Sep 19 21:19:39 dgen is working sort-of btw Sep 19 21:19:58 that's probably using the tsc registers for accurate high-resolution timing Sep 19 21:21:03 ok i'm being dumb - found quite a bit of x86 asm now that i looked - ty :() Sep 19 21:24:56 found problem... i'm trying to run it from flash, but it's mounted with "noexec"... will try without it Sep 19 21:26:26 Anyone have problems with intltool in Bora? In my armel target I don't have intltoolize etc available (though, intltool and intltool-debian are listed as installed (dpkg -l)). These are available in the x86 target. Sep 19 21:37:49 Hello folk, I want to run my own kernel on N800 is there some info on how to do that kernel I intend to use is from linux-omap tree Sep 19 21:42:12 you can find some custom kernels on the web - there must be info somewhere khem Sep 19 21:42:27 !kernel Sep 19 21:44:00 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html Sep 19 21:44:18 pupnik: thanks Sep 19 21:45:24 _Monkey: kernel howto is http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_kernel_guide_bora.html Sep 19 21:45:25 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik. Sep 19 21:46:47 is there a way to look at sources online Sep 19 21:49:26 yes for some, iirc Sep 19 21:53:57 pupnik good job on getting that fullscreen going on touchmegames. Sep 19 21:54:48 I passed out last night...was so tired.. Sep 19 21:54:50 thanks :) Sep 19 21:55:58 a couple of games are playable, but a bunch aren't really Sep 19 21:56:04 and there's no 'quit' button visible Sep 19 21:56:14 etc - it's a good project to learn hildon on though Sep 19 21:56:42 i'll put up the source tarball tonight/tomorrow Sep 19 21:56:49 simple to hildon? Sep 19 21:57:09 well there's just not much needed Sep 19 21:57:26 maybe a menubar for about/quit Sep 19 21:57:30 and fullscreen toggle button Sep 19 22:03:44 unique311 - there's the binary and the modified source ... http://pupnik.de/touchmegames_maemo-0.2.0_src.tgz Sep 19 22:04:27 pupnik, it started to work after removing all X-* crap Sep 19 22:08:48 arigato gozaimaste pupnik Sep 19 22:09:12 only japanese i remember from my time in japan, so sad... Sep 19 22:10:55 so qtopia has gone opensource, and i notice the N800 as one of the devices on this article. Sep 19 22:14:00 heh :) nice Sep 19 22:14:16 i updated the webspace to 600MB so i don't have to be so stingy with space anymore Sep 19 22:15:15 Joey Hess is amazing, btw. He's maintaining so many packages.. Sep 19 22:19:14 anyone happend to know how to make upnp traverse NAT?.. Sep 19 22:21:40 pupnik: were you getting socket set errors on touchmegames? Sep 19 22:21:54 Unable to set for a fresh socket Sep 19 22:22:20 yeah i got some errors - i added a dumb thing to the main.cpp file Sep 19 22:22:54 mainhbox = gtk_hbox_new(FALSE, 0); Sep 19 22:22:55 gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(window), mainhbox); Sep 19 22:22:58 comment out those two lines Sep 19 22:34:10 what video-conferencing tools (with video) exist for n800 ? Sep 19 22:34:26 apps i mean, chat's stuff Sep 19 22:42:24 mmh, only from n800 to other same device... no to normal computers... crap Sep 19 22:42:25 good night Sep 19 23:26:06 nice hit with the new kagu, - wonder how many downloads it's had Sep 19 23:26:15 .///what - do people here all work in the morning? Sep 19 23:27:42 "morning" Sep 19 23:28:58 :) Sep 19 23:44:09 Is it possible to make custom desktop applets? Sep 19 23:45:42 Yes Sep 19 23:45:49 It's a bit of a pain, especially to debug, however. Sep 19 23:45:58 cpu68k.c:121:1: pasting "ui_log_critical" and "(" does not give a valid preprocessing token Sep 19 23:46:03 there's a new one for me :/ Sep 19 23:46:14 Lateralus: cool. Sep 19 23:46:30 I need to make a todo list. Sep 19 23:46:45 But first, I need to get an onboard compiler working. Sep 19 23:56:40 did you know you can open URLs from xterm on the nokia? Sep 19 23:56:46 just hold down the stylus on it Sep 20 00:03:52 Can anyone with Bora installed tell me if their arm target contains intltool? Sep 20 00:04:53 The VM package of maemo distributed on vmware.com has intltool available in its SDK_ARMEL target, but my install(s) do not, manual nor the install performed by the maemo-scratchbox|sdk-*.sh scripts Sep 20 00:05:30 can you apt-get install intltool from within scratchbox? Sep 20 00:06:25 pupnik: claims it's at the newest version. Same for intltool-debian. I'm guessing it has something to do with the virtual packages stuff that flew by during the install, but I don't know much about scratchbox nor apt. Sep 20 00:06:42 pupnik: it's available in the x86 target. Sep 20 00:17:41 hm Sep 20 00:20:11 in gregale i show intltool installed, but intltool is not a command i can execute Sep 20 00:20:34 ahh intltool-update etc Sep 20 00:20:41 dpkg -L intltool shows installed files Sep 20 00:21:33 nothing, outide of documentation and a copyright file Sep 20 00:22:13 there are 5 files in /usr/bin, lots in /usr/share and /usr/doc Sep 20 00:22:33 maybe you need to apt-get install intltool --reinstall? Sep 20 00:22:35 even in the x86 target I only see docs in the output of dpkg -L intltool. But in that target I can access intltoolize etc Sep 20 00:22:48 strange Sep 20 00:23:00 you only have one target active at one time, correct? Sep 20 00:23:04 "reinstallation of intltool is not possible, it cannot be downloaded" Sep 20 00:23:08 correct Sep 20 00:23:16 I was unaware you could have two active targets Sep 20 00:23:26 i don't think you can Sep 20 00:23:34 or should - whatever Sep 20 00:24:31 would someone try doing a 'make' on a package i'm working on? it is nothing evil, but i get an unusual error when making - and i'm not sure whether it's my environment Sep 20 00:24:47 wget http://pupnik.de/generator_maemo-0.35-src.tgz Sep 20 00:25:21 tar xzvf generator*.tgz && cd generator_maemo-0.35 Sep 20 00:25:27 then just "make" - do not ./configure Sep 20 00:25:52 (it's a more modern genesis emulator than DGen) Sep 20 00:25:54 http://pastebin.ca/704034 Sep 20 00:26:46 http://pastebin.ca/704036 Sep 20 00:27:06 How did you install? Sep 20 00:27:19 (nota bene - mine is from gregale / it2006 environment) Sep 20 00:27:50 i do not know Sep 20 00:28:13 either it was provided or i used apt-get install intltool Sep 20 00:29:19 pupnik: "pasting ui_log_critical and ( does not give a valid preprocessing token" Sep 20 00:29:34 thanks! that's the error i get too Sep 20 00:29:58 saved me a lot of worrying - now i can dig into that error - thanks again Sep 20 00:30:04 np Sep 20 00:31:20 http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php <<< that doesn't show me a bora repository for intltool Sep 20 00:32:06 i have Filename: pool/herring/main/i/intltool/intltool_0.33-1osso_all.deb Sep 20 00:32:51 also note: Sep 20 00:32:57 Conflixts: xml-i18n-tools Sep 20 00:34:03 got to go - thanks again :) --- Sep 20 00:34:13 bye pupnikafk Sep 20 00:40:05 ls Sep 20 00:45:22 can anyone help with a maemo 3.2 problem with finding libidn ?? Sep 20 00:47:41 test Sep 20 00:48:03 anyone hangin around here? Sep 20 00:48:08 russ_: yeah. Sep 20 00:48:22 but will head for the bed quite soon. Sep 20 00:49:08 thanks ... me too ... I'm looking for help in finding libidn on maemo 3.2 on scratchbox ... any ideas? Sep 20 00:49:29 nope, sorry. Sep 20 00:49:51 ah well ... Sep 20 00:50:00 kinda frustrating Sep 20 00:50:20 thanks Sep 20 00:53:37 Mailing list is so unactive. Sep 20 01:09:28 russ_: "finding"? Sep 20 01:19:23 libidn has tld_* stringprep_* idna_* , etc Sep 20 01:31:15 hi Sep 20 01:31:16 <_Monkey> bonjour, GS Sep 20 01:31:24 someone installed kde on n770? Sep 20 01:44:12 GS: I saw something along those lines, but it was nothing too serious. Slow, largely unusable. Sep 20 01:44:42 GS: I also saw a guy working on an enlightenment port. Claimed to have had it compile properly by adjusting the size of one buffer. Sep 20 01:46:56 heya :) Sep 20 01:46:57 om Sep 20 01:47:00 :( Sep 20 01:47:01 anyone running mplayer on the latest Hacker edition for N770 ? Sep 20 01:47:08 I get some 'Illegal instruction' Sep 20 01:47:41 break out gdb and get to work. Sep 20 01:47:47 :p Sep 20 01:48:26 ouch Sep 20 01:49:48 * Deformati spits on enlightenment. Sep 20 01:49:53 Lateralus, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5474 for kde 3.5.6 Sep 20 01:50:02 and enlightenment by rasterman? Sep 20 01:50:08 That would be pretty horrible for emedded enviornments. Sep 20 01:50:16 package anywhere? Sep 20 01:50:18