**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 20 02:59:57 2007 Sep 20 03:06:13 mplayer doesn't like 2007he afaik Sep 20 03:06:46 neither do my builds of dosbox - no clue why Sep 20 03:11:19 is there an sdk migration doc that goes with http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/unstable/4.0beta/content-comparison-3.2-to-4.0beta.html Sep 20 03:11:45 mmapper won't build because osso-help-dev and osso-ic-dev were "removed" but no signs of how to handle this Sep 20 03:15:28 can anyone with an n800 test pingus lemmings clone for me? Sep 20 03:15:50 it works OK but there are occasional crashes, and i'm curious if they are gregale related, or possibly memory related Sep 20 03:16:59 looks like nokia needs to open up some docs on http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x Sep 20 03:18:18 bmidgley: is there a way to test 4.0beta? Sep 20 03:18:52 bedboi get a job at Nokia Sep 20 03:18:57 you mean on n800? Sep 20 03:19:08 yep Sep 20 03:19:38 the sdk was released a little before the os release Sep 20 03:19:50 shouldn't be long before the new os is released ;) Sep 20 03:20:01 there is some rootstrap Sep 20 03:20:16 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/unstable/4.0beta/armel/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_4.0beta_armel.tgz Sep 20 03:20:42 hmm I don't know Sep 20 03:21:38 the Nokia guys I know were running something that looks very different from the last release Sep 20 03:23:52 which you probably shouldn't mention. Sep 20 03:25:12 enough said Sep 20 03:25:44 maybe it's too soon for me to try chinook Sep 20 03:26:01 i really hope nokia releases another tablet in 2008 Sep 20 03:27:46 the 770 has plenty of power for apps written *for* it. But i'm in the game of putting desktop apps which aren't optimized onto it Sep 20 03:28:04 I never did install bora but it looks like more work than chinook Sep 20 03:28:11 unique311: wb Sep 20 03:28:27 thanks Sep 20 03:28:50 my desktop has issues, and this notebook running ubuntu, sound is dead. Sep 20 03:29:01 having a bad time with my toys. Sep 20 03:29:31 not to mention again my thinkpad is dead....cmos battery i think is dead. Sep 20 03:30:44 do ahh ... shh.. Sep 20 03:31:04 do you want to try pingus? Sep 20 03:31:15 i bet it would run way better on the n800 Sep 20 03:31:23 it's real close to great on the n770 Sep 20 03:32:03 my device sucks right now.. Sep 20 03:32:11 only use i have for it is with kagu. Sep 20 03:32:23 ok Sep 20 03:32:24 i have to reflash. Sep 20 03:32:40 but waiting till something worthwhile hits before i do so. Sep 20 03:32:48 a new OS maybe Sep 20 03:33:37 i put dgen genesis emulator up Sep 20 03:33:46 good new though, an ipod itouch in the future.. Sep 20 03:33:48 hoping maybe it pisses someone off enough to port a good emulator Sep 20 03:33:52 heh Sep 20 03:34:25 all the sega emu's i tried compiling segfault.. Sep 20 03:35:18 dgen runs - doesn't do sonic though Sep 20 03:35:26 oh Sep 20 03:35:42 whats sega without sonic, huh. Sep 20 03:36:59 did you ever try 'generator'? Sep 20 03:37:29 mine wont build - some really strange make error Sep 20 03:37:43 i did.... Sep 20 03:37:47 forgot the outcome.. Sep 20 03:37:55 ok Sep 20 03:38:23 is it true scratchbox didn't change from maemo 3 to 4? Sep 20 03:38:45 scratchbox as a project is only loosely tied to maemo Sep 20 03:39:19 well i don't know Sep 20 03:44:30 http://www.ghostwhitecrab.com/generator/ Sep 20 03:44:42 a better generator Sep 20 03:44:57 2007 dated support Sep 20 03:51:20 so the scratchbox requirement didn't change i guess Sep 20 03:55:59 ty unique311 Sep 20 03:56:12 np Sep 20 03:56:19 just compile the sdl version. Sep 20 03:57:50 did it work for you? still compiling here Sep 20 03:58:09 not sure how to use the command line. Sep 20 03:58:14 still trying to Sep 20 03:58:35 reg68k.o: In function `reg68k_external_execute':reg68k.c:(.text+0x3c0): undefined reference to `compile_make' Sep 20 03:58:42 line it out Sep 20 03:58:53 i did and it compiled. Sep 20 03:59:05 main line 123 Sep 20 04:00:17 what file? Sep 20 04:00:19 <_Monkey> i heard file was junk and should be thrown away Sep 20 04:00:40 :q:q Sep 20 04:01:01 reg68k.c Sep 20 04:01:10 located in main folder Sep 20 04:01:17 ok Sep 20 04:03:13 generator-0.35-cbiere-r3] > grep -ri compile_make * Sep 20 04:03:13 hdr/compile.h:uint8 *compile_make(t_ipclist *list); Sep 20 04:03:13 main/reg68k.c: list->compiled = compile_make(list); Sep 20 04:03:23 compile_make is defined in hdr/compile.h Sep 20 04:03:48 main/reg68k.c: list->compiled = compile_make(list); Sep 20 04:03:57 yeah i found that Sep 20 04:04:02 i lined out that. and it compiled Sep 20 04:04:03 but you say it segfaults? Sep 20 04:04:08 no Sep 20 04:04:20 i just started paperboy... Sep 20 04:04:27 and got a black screen Sep 20 04:06:06 failed loading sound.. Sep 20 04:06:13 only errors... Sep 20 04:06:21 but it says the game is loaded. Sep 20 04:06:32 all i'm seeing in scratchbox is a black screen Sep 20 04:06:44 without the fullscreen flag. Sep 20 04:07:22 wow it builds here - same deal though black screen Sep 20 04:07:38 thanks - Sep 20 04:07:38 try another game Sep 20 04:07:47 maybe check out the config file Sep 20 04:08:06 try the gtk version. Sep 20 04:08:23 tcltk is available now for maemo, could try that version Sep 20 04:08:38 a couple of versions available in this source Sep 20 04:09:18 well this is great - the standard generator wouldn't build at all Sep 20 04:09:24 i'll look into this later this week Sep 20 04:09:30 cool Sep 20 04:14:47 same black screen with sonic1 on the pc compile Sep 20 04:15:58 aoh well - tired Sep 20 04:23:15 pupnik: found a fix for the black screen Sep 20 04:23:34 http://ghostwhitecrab.de/generator/ Sep 20 04:23:39 bright red attention Sep 20 04:25:44 what? Sep 20 04:26:04 oh "ATTENTION" Sep 20 04:27:30 strange, i've got libsdl 1.2.8-10 on this scratchbox Sep 20 04:27:42 but that's a good hint Sep 20 04:27:46 yeah. Sep 20 04:28:26 if it's a sdl problem i'll be able to fix it just by setting to a standard nokia-happy sdl mode Sep 20 04:28:32 got plenty of experience with that now Sep 20 04:31:54 no idea wtf that workaround he lists is supposed to do Sep 20 04:34:20 says it works. Sep 20 04:34:36 but no xvattr command Sep 20 04:34:48 i installed the xvattr command on the pc Sep 20 04:34:55 but it doesn't work Sep 20 04:35:04 xvattr -a XV_AUTOPAINT_COLORKEY -v 1 Sep 20 04:35:04 Found Xv 2.2 Sep 20 04:35:05 X Error of failed request: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes Sep 20 04:35:20 lol Sep 20 04:35:33 it is scratchbox Sep 20 04:35:44 no this is on my debian SID pc Sep 20 04:36:05 just trying the stuff on the PC as well Sep 20 04:36:11 ok Sep 20 04:36:25 well the command is not avail for scratchbox. Sep 20 04:36:30 right Sep 20 04:36:40 nokia doesn't have Xv Sep 20 04:36:50 and if youre using sdl you shouldn't need it anyway Sep 20 04:36:58 so that stuff can probably be ripped out Sep 20 04:37:32 do you remember what picodrive is based on? Sep 20 04:37:39 maybe that line out wasn't a good thing Sep 20 04:37:54 oh on the pc the line can be left in Sep 20 04:38:02 so the black screen isn't related to that problem Sep 20 04:38:15 that line is only compiled if compiling for the ARM cpu Sep 20 04:39:24 funny - the standard generator runs/compiles fine on my debian pc Sep 20 04:39:35 so it's probably easy to fix by comparing the two Sep 20 04:43:46 it would be really embarassing if zodttd comes along and makes a psx emulator that runs better than snes, genesis and nes Sep 20 04:44:33 like FOOOM "!chumps! that's how you do it" Sep 20 04:44:35 lol Sep 20 04:45:11 but hey, he's the real deal :) Sep 20 04:45:49 no point comparing ourselves to people like that :) Sep 20 04:46:19 zodttd Sep 20 04:46:55 he's the main dude behind the gp2x psx emulator Sep 20 04:47:03 just bought a n800 a while back Sep 20 05:39:06 is there any difference in the flash cards that i can use ? (speed), i think that exist a branch of models called "hc" that are really fast than normal cards Sep 20 05:46:19 hc denotes capacity and access methods, not speed Sep 20 05:46:55 "high capacity" if I recall. Most 4 gig, and everything larger, is SDHC. The n800 supports them (in newer firmwares) but they're not accessed the same as SD, so not all devices will. Sep 20 05:51:42 Hello Sep 20 05:51:58 How fast can I receive a response in here? Sep 20 05:51:58 i want to buy a card for my n800, for boot the system from the card, then i want the most fast card possible :) any recomendation or i just buy a "standard card" then ? Sep 20 05:52:40 Hung, its relative in how much persons are reading and the percent of the persons that knows the answer + the number of ppl that want's to write Sep 20 05:53:26 www.newegg.com has a HCSD that's 8GB for about 60 dollars. I have one and it's fast. Sep 20 05:53:51 wow, 8 gb Sep 20 05:53:58 I need help setting up xchat on my n800 Sep 20 05:54:02 can u help me Sep 20 05:54:45 sorry Hung, im not have installed much things on my very recent n800 (just from yesterday), i want to dump the system to a card for boot from it and do anything from the card system :) Sep 20 05:54:58 but i want to install xchat too, what's your exact problem ? Sep 20 05:55:20 hmm Sep 20 05:55:32 i have installed and am running xchat, but it stopped on checking iden. Sep 20 05:57:25 Hung, how much time you wait ? i nkow that freenode needs the port (118?) for a identity stuff, if you don't have it opened you need to wait less than 5 minutes Sep 20 05:57:30 max* Sep 20 05:57:58 i had waited for 30 mins. Sep 20 05:58:35 then you have other problem :) Sep 20 05:58:52 what if you type /server irc.freenode.net (or other) ? Sep 20 05:59:44 i didnt' config anything Sep 20 05:59:51 i just signed on Sep 20 06:00:13 but forget about that, i'll see if i can fix it somehow Sep 20 06:00:14 yes but, if you enter on a IRC server manually, it works ? Sep 20 06:03:24 thanks Thanatermesis. I'll talk more tomorrow night Sep 20 06:03:28 on this channel Sep 20 06:03:33 bye Sep 20 06:20:00 where is a howto for compile things for the n800 ? Sep 20 06:25:49 <`0660> see maemo.org Sep 20 06:27:04 ok Sep 20 06:51:11 not exist any videconferencing app for n800 ?? Sep 20 06:51:22 skype sucks for linux Sep 20 07:11:39 Thanatermesis: please don't even mention skype Sep 20 07:11:42 PLEASE Sep 20 07:11:56 i'm researching on skype. Sep 20 07:12:00 it doesn't make any sense Sep 20 07:12:26 it just works because now there is a lot of bandwidth Sep 20 07:13:49 it's just a bunch of if-then-else. Sep 20 07:20:16 hello Sep 20 07:20:17 <_Monkey> hi, alucardo_6666 Sep 20 07:20:50 i have a problems to install the aircrack-ng.. please.. helpme ú.u Sep 20 07:20:53 hmm Sep 20 07:21:04 doesn't the N800 support having ext2 as a memory card filesystem? Sep 20 07:21:44 i dont have a idea.. i use a n770 Sep 20 07:22:51 my problem is.. " impossible install the package in the actual software " Sep 20 07:23:31 some idea about this problem ? Sep 20 07:27:38 ah, ah, need to insert the ext2 module manually Sep 20 07:28:58 @.@ Sep 20 07:32:53 # could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock ~ open (13permissi) Sep 20 07:32:57 T_____T Sep 20 07:33:29 i try install in the xterm.. , some idea? Sep 20 07:38:10 alucardo_6666, it means that you already have another app open that is using the installation system Sep 20 07:41:37 o.O.. " impossible install .. again , " incompatible package but actual sofware " Sep 20 07:41:50 Im a big noooooooob -.- im need read more.. Sep 20 07:43:18 * bedboi is away: sleeping Sep 20 07:54:22 Morning, all Sep 20 07:54:58 "unable to install. aplication package is incompatible with current software." Sep 20 07:55:20 :S stupid aircrack-ng xD Sep 20 07:55:52 T______T i try for many hours... install the aircrack.. any suggestion? Sep 20 07:58:58 please people... any suggestion? Sep 20 07:59:51 install sdk to your main puter, get aircrack source and compile it yourself =) Sep 20 08:00:31 thanks jani , i try ^^ Sep 20 08:30:05 my n800 are running a bit strange... how i can reboot it ? (the power button dont' do anything) Sep 20 08:31:16 Thana, if you can ssh in, try reboot, if not, remove battery Sep 20 08:31:35 :/ Sep 20 08:38:13 Thana`: ssh, reboot :shutdown now Sep 20 08:38:39 oh. inz told you. i am blind Sep 20 08:40:07 red-zack, it don't has ssh acces, i don't know why, and buttons not has worked before... i have needed to eject the battery :S Sep 20 08:40:16 i hope that i don't have lost any inode :/ Sep 20 08:40:48 i have booted the device with the power supply connected, is any problem with that ? Sep 20 08:42:35 no Sep 20 08:42:58 strange.. Sep 20 08:47:17 i supose that i can connect a USB keyboard, correct ? Sep 20 08:49:18 Not trivially Sep 20 08:49:50 is needed to edit a conf file like xorg.conf or something similar ? Sep 20 08:51:30 You need to have a special kernel Sep 20 08:51:38 uh :/ Sep 20 08:51:42 And powered usb hub Sep 20 08:52:39 powered usb hub ? you mean those external 1x4 USB things ? Sep 20 08:56:53 Thana, yeah, something like that, the 770/N800 port doesn't supply (enough) power Sep 20 09:00:09 just for a keyboard no ? :/ Sep 20 09:01:57 For any USB gadget Sep 20 09:03:38 crap... a kernel is no problem... but that requires a 220~V power supply :/ Sep 20 09:04:12 i want this one: http://www.pdagold.com/img/articles/en/large/0000000268_wre456160123346.jpg Sep 20 09:04:25 the one by nokia looks very good, but expensive Sep 20 09:38:22 what is the max video resolution accepted ? i have convert a video in 800x480 but the player by default says that's not a resolution accepted Sep 20 09:40:51 There is a wiki page with full instructions. Sep 20 09:49:31 aha Sep 20 09:55:27 I use this for encoding for the n800: mencoder -o outfile.avi -oac mp3lame -lameopts preset=128 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:vbitrate=600:threads=4 -zoom -vf dsize=400:240:2,scale -idx infile.avi Sep 20 09:55:53 I think its the best tradeoff between quality, encoding speed, and playability Sep 20 09:56:06 I recommend installing mplayer and using that as your movie player (its in one of the repos) Sep 20 09:56:40 whats the final :2 in the scale, TPC ? Sep 20 09:56:47 I don't remember Sep 20 09:57:19 dsize makes it so it scales the video up to 400x240, but stops whenever it hits one Sep 20 09:58:04 so it could for example go 320x240 if its a 4:3 movie Sep 20 09:58:15 or 400x(something) if its a widescreen one Sep 20 09:58:47 interesting Sep 20 09:59:17 so the same line works for all movies, rather than having to change the resolution to fit what you are encoding Sep 20 09:59:17 anyways i think that the better is to install mplayer... the better media player ever made :) Sep 20 09:59:25 yep Sep 20 09:59:46 if you add -ffourcc DIVX to my line, the official media player will be able to play it too Sep 20 09:59:54 ok Sep 20 10:00:37 if you go for higher resolution than 400x240 you will have to lower the bitrate, but I think higher bitrate produces better quality than high resolution Sep 20 10:01:48 mmh, looks like a delay in the A/V, maybe because n800 uses ESD ? Sep 20 10:03:32 maybe Sep 20 10:03:42 why not use *just* alsa ? Sep 20 10:03:46 try adding ao=alsa to mplayers config file Sep 20 10:04:14 well, im on a "clean n800 system" now... i want first to have a SD card for dump the system to it and do anything on the card one :) Sep 20 10:04:20 not mplayer yet Sep 20 10:04:27 ok Sep 20 10:04:36 why the SD card thing? Sep 20 10:04:41 its easy to reflash if anything goes wrong Sep 20 10:04:56 and the built in backup app is nice for storing settings, etc Sep 20 10:05:19 in what exactly consists the flash thing ? Sep 20 10:05:51 i have dumped (dd) the devices /dev/mtdblock{0,1,2,3,4} for make a backup lol Sep 20 10:06:04 it wipes the internal memory and puts the clean os on it again Sep 20 10:06:29 you just run ./flasher-3.0 firmwarename.ext Sep 20 10:06:37 and put the N800 into the computers usb port Sep 20 10:07:00 I'm assuming that you are running linux here, no idea how it works on other OSes :P Sep 20 10:07:13 yes, of course :) Sep 20 10:07:21 sounds easy Sep 20 10:07:38 i've faint recollection of seeing winflasher tool too.. Sep 20 10:07:39 you probably want to do it once before you start changing too much around Sep 20 10:07:51 to make sure you have the latest version Sep 20 10:08:10 well, basically i want the system on the SD card because the reasons detailed on the wiki (near to x2 more speed on the system due to not using a compressed FS, and a lot more space on the "system disk" to install any kind of packages) Sep 20 10:08:36 I don't really find the N800 slow anyway Sep 20 10:08:49 well, more fast is better :) Sep 20 10:09:07 i think that i have the last version, no upgrades, just new buyed n800 , etc Sep 20 10:09:12 OR, just rewrite the bottleneck apps to make them faster. Sep 20 10:09:15 :) Sep 20 10:09:18 and you already got like 200mb to install apps on, more than enough, as long as you store your data on the SD cards Sep 20 10:09:46 the only thing that i don't understand is... Sep 20 10:10:02 im living in barcelona, and i don't have found ANY shop that sells the n800 Sep 20 10:10:24 * Deformati cannot find any rs-mmc cards. Sep 20 10:10:24 no FNAC, no "el corte ingles" (very big known shops stuff), etc... Sep 20 10:10:26 Oh well. Sep 20 10:10:29 Bye. o/ Sep 20 10:10:34 also don't has ear about this "model of nokia"... sigh Sep 20 10:10:54 usually easier to buy online anyway :P Sep 20 10:11:24 Thanatermesis: aren't you the elive dev? Sep 20 10:11:47 i have wanted to buy it on fnac because fnac gives a "assurance" of "thief", but i have needed finally to buy it on nokia.com Sep 20 10:11:56 Deformati, me ? Sep 20 10:11:58 * Thanatermesis hides Sep 20 10:12:23 Cannot remember. Sep 20 10:12:35 Deformati, that's what ppl says ;) Sep 20 10:12:52 Heh, I knew I saw that nick somewhere. Sep 20 10:12:56 Well, I need to go now. Sep 20 10:12:57 o/ Sep 20 10:13:03 hehe Sep 20 10:13:08 bye Deformati Sep 20 10:13:13 Thanatermesis, eee Sep 20 10:13:20 que quieres comprar? Sep 20 10:13:39 coño GS, tu por aqui Sep 20 10:13:40 cuanto tiempo xD Sep 20 10:13:44 si ;) Sep 20 10:14:02 elive? Sep 20 10:14:09 me he pillado un n770 Sep 20 10:14:14 also, please speak english, the rest of us want to understand too :P Sep 20 10:14:36 GS, mi novia queria comprarse el n800 en la fnac porque les daban un seguro antirobo... pero al final tuvo que comprarlo por internet (nokia.com), no entiendo porque no hay ni una puta tienda que no la vendan, nadie a oido hablar de este modelo de nokia... no será porque funciona con linux, no ? o_O Sep 20 10:14:39 ok TPC sorry Sep 20 10:14:45 sorry TPC Sep 20 10:15:05 GS, recently ? how much cost ? Sep 20 10:15:21 * Thanatermesis likes more the case look of the n770 than the n800 Sep 20 10:15:40 * Deformati got his 770 for 140 USD Sep 20 10:15:45 Thanatermesis, 160€ in ebay Sep 20 10:15:54 hum, cheap Sep 20 10:16:28 The n800 has drastically drove down the price of the 770 Sep 20 10:18:38 looks like :) Sep 20 10:20:06 hm.. Sep 20 10:20:17 I need a case to store my N800 in Sep 20 10:20:32 the piece of cloth that came with it just isn't very protective Sep 20 10:21:26 and I don't want to drag it around in my otterbox 2600 (hard plastic protective casing that is waterproof and can handle a car driving over it without damaging the device inside) Sep 20 10:24:40 TPC, http://www.al4ie.com/770/nokia770fascia.jpg Sep 20 10:25:01 The nokia 770 case is awesome. Sep 20 10:25:10 As soon as you close it, it goes into sleep mode. Sep 20 10:25:17 would have been nice Sep 20 10:25:18 And when you open it, it comes back instantly. Sep 20 10:58:20 hi to all Sep 20 10:58:29 i have a question for you Sep 20 10:58:44 i want to run rtlinux on nokia770 Sep 20 10:58:53 it is possible patch the kernel Sep 20 10:59:02 and use it on this handhelds Sep 20 10:59:04 ? Sep 20 11:12:31 is somebody online? Sep 20 11:19:37 leno29: 218 people are online just in this channel Sep 20 11:19:49 leno29: not many of them are awake, though :) Sep 20 11:19:56 why nobody reply to me Sep 20 11:19:57 * rcknight might be awake Sep 20 11:20:01 db48x, Sep 20 11:20:17 rcknight, can you help me Sep 20 11:20:18 ? Sep 20 11:20:34 no. I do not know about rtlinux distro Sep 20 11:20:48 no, I don't know anything about it either Sep 20 11:23:37 howdy everyone Sep 20 11:30:39 leno29, I guess no on tried it, I suggest you go on and try, you might be lucky Sep 20 11:30:42 +e Sep 20 11:31:00 can i patch the kernel?? Sep 20 11:31:12 Sure you can Sep 20 11:31:40 exist an emulator ? Sep 20 11:31:45 i want to try Sep 20 11:32:03 You can't emulate kernel, so you need a device to test it Sep 20 11:32:35 if i take a n770 for example Sep 20 11:32:41 on it Sep 20 11:32:49 there is the source code of kernel? Sep 20 11:33:04 Due to the license of kernel, there must be (and there is) Sep 20 11:33:19 the kernel is linux standard? Sep 20 11:34:23 With changes/patches Sep 20 11:34:48 for handhelds Sep 20 11:34:48 ok Sep 20 11:35:53 the distribution is emdebian? Sep 20 11:35:55 or maemo Sep 20 11:35:56 ? Sep 20 11:39:19 maemo, if I understood what you're asking Sep 20 11:39:44 i want to know the name of distribution that run on nokia 770 Sep 20 11:40:02 It is called ITOS2006 Sep 20 11:40:12 some form of hacked up debian Sep 20 11:41:04 and the source code is accesible? Sep 20 11:41:12 the license? Sep 20 11:41:21 developed by? Sep 20 11:41:23 The kernel source most definitely is Sep 20 11:41:48 And the sources for (L)GPL licensed components included are, of course Sep 20 11:41:56 But not everything is open Sep 20 11:43:34 not all the component development for it? Sep 20 11:43:41 this you want intend Sep 20 11:43:43 ? Sep 20 11:44:31 I guess Sep 20 11:44:40 what is the site of ITOS2006 Sep 20 11:46:16 There is no site for it Sep 20 11:46:50 does anyone know what the chipset specs of the nokia N800Å› wifi equipment are? Sep 20 11:46:51 and where can i download the source code of it? Sep 20 11:47:49 leno, maemo.org has most of the open components Sep 20 11:48:05 leno, and some are only available to device owners Sep 20 12:08:38 does anyone know what the chipset specs of the nokia N800Å› wifi equipment are? Sep 20 12:09:12 gooooooooooooooogle Sep 20 12:09:47 suihkulokki: is a site, want the url? Sep 20 12:10:01 suihkulokki: www.google.com, there you go, happy now? Sep 20 12:10:29 suihkulokki: you see, the problem you did there was to use way to many o's. It's only spelled with two Sep 20 12:11:34 nope nowhere to be found, the N770 had a connexant chipset, but n800 is nowhere to be found Sep 20 12:18:58 adegoeij: gone over internettablettalk forums? Sep 20 12:19:33 mostly yes lot of mentioning but i just want the lspci output... Sep 20 12:19:59 ok, can't help you with that, only own a 770 Sep 20 12:20:54 I see Sep 20 12:22:01 Do you by any chance know whether it is possible to install standard Debian (ARM) onto the device? I'd like to build a mobile apache server, pref with ordinary gnome Sep 20 13:32:33 Any C-coders here? I need to read some data from a socket (sys/socket.h), but can't find a way to read with a timeout. I'm currently using the read function defined in unistd.h Sep 20 13:33:39 Mikho: use poll() or select() to check if there is something to read before actually reading. Sep 20 13:34:20 ok, I'll investigate into this. Thanks Sep 20 13:34:52 Mikho: if you're using glib you can also use the g_io_* family of functions. There are nifty things like io_watches. Sep 20 13:34:56 buenos dias Sep 20 13:35:39 buenas tardes Sep 20 13:38:54 hola Mikho Sep 20 13:40:39 man select_tut for a nice tutorial on select Sep 20 14:29:34 where is the code of your kernel? Sep 20 15:17:10 Anybody want to make any guesses on when we'll see IT OS 2008 (presuming, given we're getting closer to 4Q07/1Q08, that'll be the first end-user release of a Chinook-based OS) Sep 20 15:19:35 ooh, ooh, I want to make a guess Sep 20 15:19:37 "a new theme" Sep 20 15:25:47 hi! Maybe someone can help me here: After installing the chinook sdk in scratchbox, I always get Sep 20 15:25:48 libtool: link: cannot find the library `/usr/lib/libatk-1.0.la' Sep 20 15:25:48 though libatk1.0-dev is installed. Is the package broken? Same is for -lpangocairo! Sep 20 15:26:40 the aircrack-ng v0.9 , have airodump in the package? Sep 20 15:27:55 I install it, but im not make work the aircrack :S:S .. some idea? Sep 20 15:38:06 ú.u Sep 20 15:45:22 <_stfn_> Not that it's maemo specific, but as some of you probably own a N800, someone may probably give me a hint on this one... Is it a common problem, that the N800 suddenly can't be charged anymore? I tried several different charger, so it's basically possible that the battery or the N800 itself causes the problem... Sep 20 15:54:27 _stfn_: is the battery totally empty now? Sep 20 15:54:51 there are some pecularities with the n800 and completely empty batteries Sep 20 16:03:59 jhs_s: You should probably remove all .la files from /usr/lib, they're mostly just harmful Sep 20 16:13:22 zuh: I think I tried this twice but i worked now, thanks! Sep 20 16:29:52 mgedmin: probably a lovely, over complicated one with fonts which are too big Sep 20 16:31:35 hello Sep 20 16:31:36 <_Monkey> hello, b0unc3 Sep 20 16:37:09 buenas tardes Sep 20 16:52:05 mgedmin, because the OS controls charging and it can't boot even to that phase with completely empty battery? Sep 20 16:53:21 Juhaz: something like that Sep 20 16:53:33 afaiu it still charges even when the os can't boot, but very slowly Sep 20 16:54:07 <||cw> I thought the nokia's had a fully hardware controled charger Sep 20 16:54:25 no Sep 20 16:54:32 <||cw> I know the ipaq's require the OS to be booted to fast charge Sep 20 16:54:40 it's something like that here, too Sep 20 16:54:46 I could give you a reference to the relevant mails Sep 20 16:54:50 ||cw , do you have the kismet2006? Sep 20 16:54:54 <||cw> no Sep 20 16:55:01 i really need the soft T_T and the link is dead.. Sep 20 16:56:36 maybe a one people have the kismet 2006?? Sep 20 16:59:27 i really need the kismet2006.. i have many hours searching.. and all the links is breaking ..please sendme the soft.. Sep 20 17:00:38 <||cw> I don't even see a dead link, there is no link at all Sep 20 17:00:41 * bedboi is back (gone 09:17:19) Sep 20 17:02:33 maybe only is online the kismet v2005 T_T.. Sep 20 17:02:49 anything have the kismet2006? Sep 20 17:03:56 <||cw> guess you'll have to compile it Sep 20 17:05:20 maybe is a good idea Sep 20 18:04:20 * pupnik ponders Sep 20 18:16:37 *** Does anyone know if Navicore has a demo license? If not, how would one know if it was better/worth it over MaemoMapper ?? Sep 20 18:51:43 Is there an N800 IRC client? Sep 20 18:55:30 yes, gaim, xchat and irssi Sep 20 18:57:23 No IRC showing in Application Manager. Browsing web cats now. Gaim or Pidgin? Sep 20 19:02:18 OK, I see both Gaim and Pidgin on maemo.org. Sep 20 19:04:51 repositories? Sep 20 19:04:51 <_Monkey> repositories is, like, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Sep 20 19:05:28 maemo-hackers added to Application Manager for Gaim's repository. Sep 20 19:14:47 (browsing apps...) What is IDEA again? It's one of those that thinks "IDEA" is enough of a description. Sep 20 19:15:34 I have no idea. *drumroll* Sep 20 19:17:00 Umpteen media players, all think "media player" is enough information to make me choose them. Sep 20 19:20:33 yes IDEA has bad description Sep 20 19:20:58 i tried to explain this to the author - please start your page with a simple description of what your app is supposed to do Sep 20 19:21:13 apparently you can create 'desktop links' and stuff Sep 20 19:21:42 i use load-applet-run and osso-statusbar-cpu to invoke executeables and shellscripts now - simpler Sep 20 19:23:41 I have IDEA installed, and it is basically shortcuts on the desktop, but within a frame, so not quiet like a desktop shortcut Sep 20 19:24:46 ok i gotta get this pingus deb built... dagnabbit Sep 20 19:29:28 Allo everyone. Sep 20 19:29:57 "The whole idea of starting or finishing something is one of the scariest things in the world to me," Drew told Pitchfork in 2005. Sep 20 19:34:21 No luck with Gaim on N800. Click on "Sign on" and nothing happens other than a blue outline around "Sign on". I do have IRC checked for that account. Sep 20 19:34:50 Oh, wait. My net link icon vanished. Sep 20 19:37:40 All better now. Sep 20 19:38:09 never tried gaim, but it's plugin architecture looks very sensible to me Sep 20 19:40:34 Does anyone here run Navicore 2007 ? Sep 20 19:41:19 (or 2006) Sep 20 19:41:40 Liked Gaim on Linux for years; son needed IM and Pidgin blew up in MS-Win. Now to figure out how I want N800 sounds in my pocket. Sep 20 19:42:12 * Deformati kicks gaim. Sep 20 19:42:16 Yucky. Sep 20 19:42:18 Anyways. Sep 20 19:42:32 Has anyone here managed to compile gcc 4.1.2 for armel? Sep 20 20:05:39 I think I did at some point where trying to get the gdc D compiler working Sep 20 20:12:33 Did you get it working? Sep 20 20:12:41 I am trying to get GDC as well. Sep 20 20:13:00 I have been an active member of the D community for about a year now. Sep 20 20:13:01 :) Sep 20 20:25:38 http://youtube.com/watch?v=vjvVBCNcL_A for the finnish speakers - some strange a-capella (bad audio) Sep 20 20:33:49 MDK? Sep 20 20:44:29 well, it will give you driving instructions even offline Sep 20 20:51:34 Does anyone know why xterm is the only app that gets keyboard input? Sep 20 20:56:39 Deformati: I don't recall correctly, I was doing it long time ago Sep 20 20:56:52 when gdc wasn't supporting 4.1.x Sep 20 20:57:19 hi guys - anyone here have experience with the i-tech virtual laser keyboard linking with the 770 or bluetooth keyboards in general? Sep 20 20:57:31 Did manage to get any gcc compiled natively on the 770? Sep 20 20:59:27 gcc compiled natively? Sep 20 21:00:03 Well. Sep 20 21:00:04 Never mind. Sep 20 21:00:08 I will try to figure it out. Sep 20 21:02:01 please do, having gdc working would be awsome Sep 20 21:02:39 I managed to get old gdc + gcc 3.4.something version working with old arm target Sep 20 21:05:11 Michael Dominic Kostrzewa ? Sep 20 21:05:18 Ah, I already emailed you. Sep 20 21:05:20 :D Sep 20 21:05:46 I am not trying to make a cross compiler, I want everything onboard. Sep 20 21:07:15 huh? Why Sep 20 21:07:55 Why not? Sep 20 21:08:23 man, it's going to be a PITA to use it, even if possible Sep 20 21:08:30 it could be made as an add-on for sbox Sep 20 21:08:49 Why? Sep 20 21:08:57 I got my keyboard working on the 770. Sep 20 21:09:05 And D compiles lightning fast. Sep 20 21:09:51 but why do something inferior, instead of doing it properly? Sep 20 21:10:01 what are the benefits of running it natively? Sep 20 21:10:14 you'll need a shitload of headers, libraries, suff Sep 20 21:10:27 D doesn't need headers. Sep 20 21:10:45 you'll need headers to integrate with C Sep 20 21:10:49 And all the libraries are needed anyways. Sep 20 21:11:01 Not really. Sep 20 21:11:03 unless you want to write GUI-less small apps Sep 20 21:11:49 Huh? Sep 20 21:12:05 well, I presume you want to use hildon gui Sep 20 21:12:20 Why would I need headers? Sep 20 21:12:28 D reads the binary when you use extern. Sep 20 21:13:20 defines for example? Sep 20 21:13:32 structs? Sep 20 21:13:38 And the system needs the libraries ANYWAYS, that is, unless all apps are static linked, which I do not think they are. Sep 20 21:13:58 MDK, in D, you rewrite all all constants in the D code. Sep 20 21:14:02 You do not use the headers at all. Sep 20 21:14:09 you're not getting it Sep 20 21:14:12 I know how D works Sep 20 21:14:38 There are quite a few generators that make d bindings from headers, you don't need the headers themselves. Sep 20 21:14:40 but you need the headers/defines and all the crap from Gtk/hildon/glib/pango/cairo to write anything meaningfull in the first place Sep 20 21:14:59 anyways, good luck really Sep 20 21:15:15 I can just use the headers on scratchbox and generate bindings on the desktop. Sep 20 21:15:56 I don't know, it might be a good way to see if it works Sep 20 21:16:06 like, will the GC work, which is the key question Sep 20 21:16:17 (it worked fine for my tests on old arm abi) Sep 20 21:16:24 Yeah, that os tricky. Sep 20 21:16:42 I know a few other D users that got it working on an arm. Sep 20 21:16:44 but for any serious development it would be great to have it available in normal development Sep 20 21:16:47 With the new abi. Sep 20 21:17:33 Do you by chance know a list of the closed source components of the nokia 770 operating system? Sep 20 21:17:49 I want to start rewriting them. Sep 20 21:21:39 ask on the mailing list Sep 20 21:21:59 note that most of the GUI stuff (toolkit, desktop, etc.) is fully open now (the Hildon bits) Sep 20 21:22:21 only the bright apps are closed :) Sep 20 21:22:26 Yeah, but the browser, chatting? Sep 20 21:22:27 other guys (ie. canonical & intel) are already adapting them for their stuff Sep 20 21:22:50 microb is open afaik (mozilla web browser), chat & apps are not Sep 20 21:23:01 well, chat ui only Sep 20 21:23:11 you'll have problems rewriting things related to hw Sep 20 21:23:13 all the underlying layers are open (telepathy, mission-control, etc...) Sep 20 21:23:15 I liek the default browser much moe than mozilla. Sep 20 21:23:28 like codecs, dsp crap, etc. Sep 20 21:24:07 Yeah, I will leave that how it is. Sep 20 21:24:17 Thought I would liek to learn to program the DSP. Sep 20 21:24:20 Seems like so much fun. Sep 20 21:43:12 hi guys - anyone here have experience with the i-tech virtual laser keyboard linking with the 770 or bluetooth keyboards in general? Sep 20 21:43:31 I got my usb keyboard working with the 770. Sep 20 21:43:36 I'm running into some major stability problems with the maemo-bt-driver Sep 20 21:43:37 I cannot figure out why it only works with xterm. Sep 20 21:44:10 When used with the maemo-bt-driver, when it works, the setup is nice - works in the browser, xterm, notepad, etc. Sep 20 21:44:13 when it works Sep 20 21:44:22 sometimes just turning on the bt keyboard crashes the thing Sep 20 21:45:35 sometimes it works great - like a rock, and perfect as it should Sep 20 21:45:48 most times it either locks the device, or just doesn't link Sep 20 21:46:12 re-pairing the thing is a regular activity, and that's not 100% Sep 20 21:46:36 sometimes it won't detect it, other times it will, but if you don't do everything just right, no luck at all Sep 20 21:46:46 I'm wanting to perhaps log all the daemons involved, but i Sep 20 21:46:59 I don't know which ones are used entirely Sep 20 21:47:30 it's all supposed to syslog I guess, but i dont know where syslog is dumping the logs - definitely not in /var/log... Sep 20 21:53:09 if you install syslogd it would Sep 20 22:12:36 hmm Sep 20 22:20:53 does installing this mean a reboot afterwards? Sep 20 22:25:21 do we have a command-line snapshot/screenshot tool? Sep 20 22:25:39 i need to take a series - or take them very quickly (preferably from the shell) Sep 20 22:29:29 apt-get install mh-shot-tool Sep 20 22:29:40 libgcrypt11 libgnutls11 libgpg-error0 liblzo1 libsoup2.2-8 libtasn1-2 Sep 20 22:29:44 hah nice depdencies Sep 20 22:30:41 no shots til you've had your soup Sep 20 22:30:55 how did you know i'm making soup?! Sep 20 22:31:08 ah libsoup Sep 20 22:38:02 sp3000, thanks - adding in syslogd does at least provide logging - now if bluetooth was just reliable... Sep 20 22:40:22 A debian developer suggested I check out Maemo for an Archos brand media player. Sep 20 22:41:45 what is the OR for the archos? Sep 20 22:41:47 OS Sep 20 22:42:03 It's linux based, with alot of proprietary stuff on top. Sep 20 22:42:09 DigExorcist: caveats: careful about filling up the flash as that can cause weirdness; also, the many small writes will tend to cause slower bootup due to filesystem garbage collection Sep 20 22:42:32 I'm certain that I'll have to remove it soon Sep 20 22:44:51 meh, I had syslog running for months in the spring without issue Sep 20 22:45:33 what's the name of the memory/screenshot app that sits next to the bt logo?? Sep 20 22:45:58 load-snap-run or something.. Sep 20 22:46:27 load-applet-run - found it Sep 20 22:48:59 What's the difference between shutting down using the power switch, and issuing a "shutdown -h now" from x-term as root? Sep 20 22:49:24 pupnik: I see the title of this channel say for Nokia, so are these questions about the archos unwelcome? Or is Maemo a larger project? Sep 20 22:49:43 it's fine Sep 20 22:50:14 maemo is the development environment for the nokia tablets. ITOS is the OS that runs on the tablet devices. Sep 20 22:50:22 So i have no idea what 'maemo for archos' means Sep 20 22:51:03 I've just heard about maemo. I literally know nothing about it other than a suggestion from a debian developer. Is it a linux distro? Sep 20 22:51:19 not really Sep 20 22:51:24 what do you want to do? Sep 20 22:52:10 I'm almost certainly going to buy the Archos 605, and I would like to replace the OS. Sep 20 22:53:29 looks like a nice device Sep 20 22:54:38 a nokia 800 with 8GB SD cards is a good alternative though Sep 20 22:56:05 Well, I have a massive media collection, and I'm really looking for a media player more than an internet tablet - but comparable media players without wifi cost only a little less, if not more (see 80Gb iPod video) Sep 20 22:56:12 the Archos lacks bluetooth Sep 20 22:56:58 yea, I know. Sep 20 22:57:18 whats this thing cost?? Sep 20 22:57:28 But I don't use bluetooth that often anyway. Sep 20 22:58:00 bt keyboards are nice though - when my laser keyboard works, it works great. Sep 20 22:58:09 $250-$350, depending on storage space Sep 20 22:58:09 And it is accurate enough to work with Sep 20 22:58:45 Yea, this thing would be a laptop replacement if I could put a keyboard with it. But, there again, the OS is the trouble - no text editor. Sep 20 23:00:30 So, maemo is exclusively designed for the Nokia internet tablets, and is not likely to support hardware not on those tablets? Sep 20 23:00:56 I can't answer that - but my take is probably not Sep 20 23:01:13 Nokia did something different when they embraced open source with a nice little bit of hardware Sep 20 23:01:30 I think they're realizing now, on the back end, that the 770 Sep 20 23:01:47 has become far more popular now that it's price is below the $150 mark Sep 20 23:02:12 Quite so - if there was one with a nice big harddrive it would definitely be my choice. Sep 20 23:05:43 And I still may buy one just to take to class. But if I could get oss running on this Archos, it may well be something to take notice of. Sep 20 23:06:37 "price is below the $150 mark" - that in American dollars? Because Amazon has the n800 at ~$350 and the 770 at ~$290 Sep 20 23:06:54 Frankly, when it first came out I looked at it and laughed - "what a stupid idea, who in the fuck would want to pay for that?" Sep 20 23:07:22 On ebay you can get 770's brand new for $149. get the Square-trade 3-year warranty for an extra $12 Sep 20 23:07:44 good to know Sep 20 23:07:56 Now that the insides of the thing are out there, and people know what's underneath, and that folks can have root on it, it's become the portable hackers choice Sep 20 23:08:12 I can run freaking nmap over wireless now - that rocks! Sep 20 23:08:29 if only my i-tech keyboard worked reliably Sep 20 23:08:58 I dunno if you'd call me a hacker, but I've gotten used to being able to get under the hood of an OS when I feel like it. Sep 20 23:10:51 My main gripes with the Archos are: no feed reader, no text editor, and you have to pay for plugins for codecs (and still no ogg/flac) and the web browser. Sep 20 23:11:05 NEway, if it won't support the hardware I guess maemo isn't for me. Sep 20 23:11:53 Thank you for your time guys. And check out the Archos - get people to check out Archos. It's a darn good price on some good hardware - if eventually someone could get some good software running on it... Sep 20 23:22:56 xwd -root |xwdtopnm |pnmtopng > screenshot.png << screenshot from command line - Sep 20 23:23:04 screenshot? Sep 20 23:35:25 Ugh. Sep 20 23:35:29 Fucking damnit. Sep 20 23:35:38 How could I just "Forget" how to draw. Sep 20 23:35:39 :( Sep 20 23:35:55 All of the sudden the girl I like is into art. Sep 20 23:36:00 And damn, I cannot draw anymore. Sep 20 23:36:07 Fsking stab stab Sep 20 23:36:25 Lolzors. Sep 20 23:36:30 * Deformati feels like being a troll. Sep 20 23:37:06 Bleh, no other trolls. Sep 20 23:37:35 fyi: this channel is logged and searchable Sep 20 23:37:48 Why do I care? Sep 20 23:38:15 And freenode isn't supposed to be logged. Sep 20 23:40:06 * Deformati cuddlewuddles pupnik Sep 20 23:40:29 who says that freenode isn't supposed to be logged? Sep 20 23:41:43 Dunno, I read it somewhere. Sep 20 23:42:26 Some subpage of freenode.net Sep 20 23:44:22 what freenode says about logging http://freenode.net/channel_guidelines.shtml Sep 20 23:44:32 Yeah. Sep 20 23:44:33 second paragraph from the bottom Sep 20 23:44:34 That's it. Sep 20 23:45:22 and to be fair, there is something in the topic Sep 20 23:45:33 i'll ask again - i need precisely timed or repeated screenshots - preferably triggered from ssh command-line to help debug dosbox errors Sep 20 23:45:34 Yeah, whatever. Sep 20 23:45:36 I don't really care. Sep 20 23:45:44 Is there a command-line screenshot tool for ITOS? Sep 20 23:45:46 I spam random garbage in irc when I am bored. Sep 20 23:46:31 oh right....perhaps you should get the stumbleupon toolbar for firefox, that helps to releave boredom Sep 20 23:46:38 If you just want to publish a single conversation, be careful to get permission from each participant. Provide as much context as you can. Avoid the temptation to publish or distribute logs without permission in order to portray someone in a bad light. The reputation you save will most likely be your own. Sep 20 23:46:48 Nah. Sep 20 23:46:57 Spamming irc dev channels is funner. Sep 20 23:47:06 Except this one is relatively boring. Sep 20 23:47:18 * Deformati gets back to #d Sep 20 23:49:37 checking for XWD... Package xmuu was not found in the pkg-config search path. Sep 20 23:53:06 Hmm. Sep 20 23:53:12 Someone reteach me to draw. Sep 20 23:53:23 I am looking for skills outside of the small geek socialbase. Sep 20 23:54:54 question Sep 20 23:54:55 <_Monkey> question is probably whether you can mask it well enough that they wouldnt notice Sep 20 23:54:58 ssh to N800 Sep 20 23:55:05 what is the default user password? Sep 20 23:55:16 Ugh, see, this is the problem with logged channels. Sep 20 23:55:20 No one replies. Sep 20 23:55:24 >.> Sep 20 23:55:32 unique311: root is rootme Sep 20 23:55:38 for user Sep 20 23:55:41 don't know. as root, set it to whatever you want with "passwd user" Sep 20 23:55:52 No clue. Sep 20 23:55:56 Deformati: you want to learn how to draw? Sep 20 23:55:56 Did you try just pressing enter? Sep 20 23:56:03 yeah Sep 20 23:56:05 no go Sep 20 23:56:08 unique311: Yeah. Sep 20 23:56:10 still want a passwrd Sep 20 23:56:16 I used to be insainly good at drawing. Sep 20 23:56:19 Not so much anymore. Sep 20 23:56:29 not good Sep 20 23:56:36 you never forget how to draw Sep 20 23:56:56 just probably impatient now. Sep 20 23:57:01 How come my drawings look like shit now? Sep 20 23:57:02 Ah. Sep 20 23:57:03 Could be. Sep 20 23:57:07 all you need is patience Deformati Sep 20 23:58:21 what do you like drawing? Sep 20 23:58:27 unique311: as root, type passwd user, and you will not be prompted for the old passwd Sep 20 23:58:32 unique311: people Sep 20 23:58:36 ok Sep 20 23:58:38 at least on my device Sep 20 23:58:47 thanks pupnik Sep 20 23:59:01 i gave up on people. Sep 20 23:59:41 unique311: I used to be able to trace a quarter, use it as the head, and it would still look like a person. Sep 20 23:59:45 Dispite the circular head. Sep 20 23:59:51 lol Sep 21 00:00:40 I cannot find any of my old doodles. Sep 21 00:00:48 trying to give up drawing on paper....which is why i purchase the N800 Sep 21 00:00:50 I have some of my longer drawings. Sep 21 00:00:56 Hehe. Sep 21 00:01:12 I used to be insane with ink. Sep 21 00:01:17 And some pencil. Sep 21 00:01:23 same. Sep 21 00:01:33 But it appears I lost some tallent. Sep 21 00:01:44 I believe my merging into the geek culture killed my artistic side. Sep 21 00:01:53 lol Sep 21 00:01:56 Ever since I learned to program, I cannot draw. Sep 21 00:02:04 get a wacom pad. Sep 21 00:02:09 it'll come back. Sep 21 00:02:23 Drawing was my only attractive feature. Sep 21 00:02:24 Heh. Sep 21 00:02:25 you can always doodle in PS while programming..\maybe Sep 21 00:02:37 Now what can I say? "Oh check this out, I program" "Lameee" Sep 21 00:05:36 Eh. Sep 21 00:05:44 I used to be able to doodle so good. Sep 21 00:05:52 Just come up with stuff out of my brain. Sep 21 00:08:09 its still there. Sep 21 00:08:19 Not really. Sep 21 00:08:26 i don't think you ever forget how to draw. Sep 21 00:08:29 Here, lemmi draw something and picky it. Sep 21 00:15:34 http://deformative.hosting.arsfides.com/upload/files/1/dscf0009.jpg Sep 21 00:15:35 See. Sep 21 00:15:41 Completely lost my skill. Sep 21 00:16:07 That pencil is about 4 inches by the way. Sep 21 00:16:26 thats good Sep 21 00:16:46 thought you were going to show me some stick figures.. Sep 21 00:16:54 No, dude, you don;t understand how I did doodle. Sep 21 00:16:56 Heh. Sep 21 00:17:34 you just have to get it back Sep 21 00:18:04 Yeah, I hope I can. Sep 21 00:18:21 conceptart there's guys on that site that draw everyday. I consider myself an artist and i go weeks sometimes without drawing. Sep 21 00:18:48 I have gone about two years. Sep 21 00:18:53 wow Sep 21 00:19:02 yeah, a little too long. Sep 21 00:19:21 but the face is pretty descent for 2 years. Sep 21 00:19:40 Thanks. Sep 21 00:19:51 I spent a little too much time programming. Sep 21 00:19:52 Heh. Sep 21 00:19:55 why pick up the pencil after 2 years? Sep 21 00:20:00 Uh. Sep 21 00:20:01 memories? Sep 21 00:20:04 Nah. Sep 21 00:20:14 I cannot get gdc working on the 770. Sep 21 00:20:27 gdc? Sep 21 00:20:28 <_Monkey> hmmm... gdc is gcc's backend Sep 21 00:20:32 Plus, I have been wondering what it would be like if I never became a geek. Sep 21 00:20:39 Heh. Sep 21 00:20:45 So I am going to try to balance myself or something. Sep 21 00:21:36 Like, two years ago, I was using gimp, and I found out that open source existed, and then went to linux, learned unix, then learned programming, and yeah. Sep 21 00:21:55 best way to balance it out...get a pad Sep 21 00:22:06 Hehe. Sep 21 00:22:33 well when mtpaint gets hildonized you can actually use your 770 Sep 21 00:22:48 mtpaint? Sep 21 00:22:48 <_Monkey> mtpaint is good? Sep 21 00:22:52 to draw some cool things Sep 21 00:23:05 paint program with lots of goodies Sep 21 00:23:16 on the garage its called faint Sep 21 00:23:17 Vector or raster? Sep 21 00:23:50 no vector programs on maemo yet..i think Sep 21 00:24:13 it raster Sep 21 00:24:29 Ah. Sep 21 00:24:30 Hmm. Sep 21 00:25:00 Tomorrow I am going to try getting gdc I think. Sep 21 00:25:05 Then I will make my own paint program. Sep 21 00:25:12 really good used it for a while on train rides, but got tired of the small screen. Sep 21 00:25:32 well if you do, smudge please include.. Sep 21 00:25:41 blur Sep 21 00:25:54 I really need a keyboard. Sep 21 00:26:00 I setup the usb hack. Sep 21 00:26:01 But eh. Sep 21 00:26:11 It would be fantastic if the nokia had a real usb port. Sep 21 00:26:19 If it did, it would be like, the perfect system. Sep 21 00:27:15 "If it's too slow for you, you're not drinking enough beer." - Pupnik, on the 770 emulators Sep 21 00:27:50 synergy Deformati Sep 21 00:28:15 Yeah, I was thinking about that. Sep 21 00:28:28 The 770 is remarkably fast. Sep 21 00:28:32 I love ARM procs. Sep 21 00:28:34 you can find the gui version Sep 21 00:28:39 in the garage Sep 21 00:28:47 I want to learn to use the DSP though. Sep 21 00:29:06 Well, I had synergy on my laptop/desktop/media computer. Sep 21 00:29:13 But I got bored of it. Sep 21 00:32:03 only use for the N800 right now is kagu.... Sep 21 00:32:30 until faint gets hildon. Sep 21 00:32:41 Hmm, getting better. Sep 21 00:33:45 this question was asked on ITT, is it possible to use the IT as a tablet for a desktop/notebook? Sep 21 00:34:31 i can use my ppc6700 as a tablet for my desktop or notebook, running windows....with a little app called ppc tablet. Sep 21 00:37:08 http://deformative.hosting.arsfides.com/upload/files/1/dscf0019.jpg Sep 21 00:37:12 Getting slightly better Sep 21 00:39:26 ur own style? Sep 21 00:41:27 what do you guys think about sync'ing with an mp3 device via wifi? Sep 21 00:41:49 mp3 device = n800 Sep 21 00:41:52 unique311: ? Sep 21 00:43:52 Deformati: I'm about to pick up the old moleskin. Sep 21 00:44:03 moleskin? Sep 21 00:44:06 * Deformati is confused. Sep 21 00:44:14 drawpad Sep 21 00:44:15 lol Sep 21 00:44:22 2 years... Sep 21 00:46:53 trevarthan: sync through wifi to what? Sep 21 00:47:26 unique311: Still not following you,. Sep 21 00:48:34 just a sketch book.. Sep 21 00:48:40 sketching something really quick.. Sep 21 00:48:46 i'll up it for ya Sep 21 00:49:21 But sketchbooks attract attension. Sep 21 00:52:35 Plus they are awkward and smudge the drawing. Sep 21 00:52:38 Makes it less crisp. Sep 21 00:52:46 Anyways, I give up drawing for today. Sep 21 00:59:30 erstazi: to a pc. avoid th whole usb/sync loop Sep 21 01:00:56 trevarthan: ah Sep 21 01:01:23 trevarthan: its possible I imagine Sep 21 01:01:43 trevarthan: personally, I use slimserver, and I do not like housing the music on my device Sep 21 01:03:57 erstazi: my device is mobile, so i have to get stuff on there somehow. Sep 21 01:04:38 trevarthan: ah, does your ISP not let you have incoming ports? Sep 21 01:05:06 :) not on the interstate. no. Sep 21 01:05:12 trevarthan: some are becoming a real pain anymore... a few years ago it was not an issue to have a server or what not Sep 21 01:05:14 trevarthan: ah I see Sep 21 01:05:18 trevarthan: good point Sep 21 01:05:41 trevarthan: you could always scp them over Sep 21 01:06:28 i'm thinking more of an itunes like setup, with automated transcoding for videos and stuff. Sep 21 01:06:43 pingus is available for testing here http://pupnik.de/pingus.html Sep 21 01:07:27 but then i was thinking about doing application specific stuff too. so you don't have to rescan for media. Sep 21 01:09:32 pupnik, coulen't get dgen to load sonic rom. :( Sep 21 01:09:54 trevarthan: I would be interested in something like that Sep 21 01:10:11 yeah dgen doesn't run sonic Sep 21 01:10:40 erstazi: yeah. me too. hmmmmm. Sep 21 01:11:15 on the tablet i mean - it does on the pc Sep 21 01:11:43 whenever i cd to my picodrive tree i start getting heart palpitations and panic attacks now Sep 21 01:11:54 i think unique311 remembers the picodrive nightmare Sep 21 01:14:04 was it picodrive Sep 21 01:14:09 or the snes9x Sep 21 01:14:09 <_Monkey> rumour has it the snes9x is too slow Sep 21 01:14:34 Deformati: here is the sketch....had to find a way to upload it from my phone.. Sep 21 01:14:37 http://www.flickr.com/photos/unique0nez/ Sep 21 01:15:21 can't go wrong with the bald look... Sep 21 01:16:47 pupnik: you still working on picodrive? Sep 21 01:17:02 no not since may Sep 21 01:17:46 i've looked at it a couple of times Sep 21 01:18:03 you know -- like you look at roadkill when driving by Sep 21 01:18:49 which dgen did you get working? Sep 21 01:18:53 sdl version? Sep 21 01:21:05 unique311: which paint app do you use on maemo? Sep 21 01:21:43 none as of now... Sep 21 01:21:56 waiting on faint to make its hildonized appearance Sep 21 01:22:18 i played with mtpaint, rgbpaint, and mypaint. Sep 21 01:25:30 damn mh-shot-tool taking 2MB of disk space Sep 21 01:25:40 i think mypaint was probable the one i would choose if all were hildon'd, because of the touch screen sensitivity feature. Sep 21 01:25:44 just for that flickr-upload capability Sep 21 01:27:35 unique311: too much anatomy for me. Sep 21 01:27:43 I draw based on what I remember. Sep 21 01:27:52 I never had a techneque. Sep 21 01:28:00 I always just doodle out of my brain. Sep 21 01:28:19 well that was just doodlin' Sep 21 01:28:27 Yeah. Sep 21 01:29:20 If i am drawing something for real, I like, well, I still have no techneque. Sep 21 01:29:22 I just go with it. Sep 21 01:29:26 Heh. Sep 21 01:31:32 i have no technique also. Sep 21 01:34:44 i'm into graffiti, which is basically another form of abstract art(some people might not think so)...I can take letters and make magic happen with them. Sep 21 01:35:00 i suck at colors. Sep 21 01:35:56 I was never good at words. Sep 21 01:36:07 Not organic enough. Sep 21 01:56:10 I got sonic to run on a neogeo emulator in scratchbox...but controls wasn't working. a while back. Sep 21 01:56:29 at really fast speeds Sep 21 01:59:18 http://www.mises.org/books/TRTS/ [ The Illustrated Road to Serfdom ] Sep 21 02:01:52 is there a samba server for maemo? Sep 21 02:10:59 trevarthan: good question Sep 21 02:14:07 trevarthan: one can install from source but libpapm is needed Sep 21 02:15:35 is the "serial port" pinout on the N800 documented on any page? all I can find are N770 pinouts which seems to have more pads Sep 21 02:33:49 Does anyone know if maemo has something like FAM or Gamin? Something to notify us when files change? Sep 21 02:41:59 anything have the becomeroot.dev package?? Sep 21 02:42:20 to nokia n770 Sep 21 02:44:11 becomeroot? Sep 21 02:44:12 <_Monkey> becomeroot is, like, is easily obtained from [770/OS2006] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/mistral/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or [770/OS2007HE and N800/OS2007] http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb or for a more long winded method http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot Sep 21 02:47:06 THANK YOU VERY MUCH Monkey Sep 21 02:51:36 trevarthan: FAM on a battery powered device is a Bad Thing (TM) Sep 21 02:51:58 that's nice. it's using something though. Sep 21 02:52:18 Ever notice how media player always knows you've added files? Sep 21 02:55:08 does anyone have a dpkg-dev deb I can use? Sep 21 02:55:41 I'm getting perl5 dep errors when I try to install via apt-get Sep 21 02:56:21 and I get a cannot compute sizeof error when I try to build my own package Sep 21 02:57:11 now that i sold my tablet pc i might get back to maemo stuff :) Sep 21 02:57:19 got $810 for it, not a horrible deal Sep 21 02:58:40 :) If someone gave me a tablet PC, I'd make a Kagu .exe for it. Sep 21 02:59:06 you tried the new Kagu sparr? Sep 21 02:59:22 got a nice volume slider, just for you. you're right too, it's much nicer. Sep 21 02:59:56 i have not **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Sep 21 02:59:57 2007