**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 02 02:59:57 2007
Oct 02 03:57:28 <SenileBob> Has anyone tried removing functionality from the N800, such as media playback? And adding just their own software to it? Like a kiosk mode?
Oct 02 04:04:59 <pupnik> you can add a program to startup script that will run full screen
Oct 02 04:06:32 <pupnik> as far as kiosk mode... depends if you want to prevent users with device in-hand from accessing the OS completely
Oct 02 04:06:48 <pupnik> in which case you have to disable the 'home' and 'power' buttons while your app is running
Oct 02 04:07:56 <pupnik> Also for your kiosk mode home controller you'll need to implement code, or at least calls, to connect to your wlan without allowing user access to the os
Oct 02 04:08:00 <pupnik> i guess that's obvious
Oct 02 04:20:08 <unique311> trevarthan:
Oct 02 04:20:23 <unique311> you got a minute?
Oct 02 04:21:12 <unique311> really anyone that knows python pretty well
Oct 02 05:07:21 <SenileBob> pupnik: thanks for the replies, i stepped out for a few minutes...
Oct 02 05:08:00 <SenileBob> could kiosk mode be done so that the web browser and wlan setup apps still can be launched, but nothing else other than a custom app?
Oct 02 05:08:35 <SenileBob> and can the app handle hard button presses such as home, and do something when the buttons are pressed, like go to a home screen?
Oct 02 05:17:36 <pupnik> i think you might be able to do 1)
Oct 02 05:17:53 <SenileBob> great, and 2)? :D
Oct 02 05:18:05 <pupnik> re 2) all the buttons except home key are visible to your app
Oct 02 05:18:34 <pupnik> or let me put it this way - i haven't seen any apps that re-map what the home key does
Oct 02 05:18:37 <disq> morning
Oct 02 05:18:38 <_Monkey> aloha
Oct 02 05:18:50 <SenileBob> ok, but it MIGHT still be possible
Oct 02 05:18:50 <disq> seen powerlaunch? it's exciting stuff
Oct 02 05:18:51 <_Monkey> I haven't seen 'powerlaunch', disq
Oct 02 05:18:57 <pupnik> ho
Oct 02 05:19:00 <disq> shut up _Monkey
Oct 02 05:19:04 <pupnik> yes definitely
Oct 02 05:19:17 <pupnik> definitely possible for /supergeek/
Oct 02 05:20:09 <SenileBob> ok, sounds like the N800 can do what i need
Oct 02 05:22:04 <SenileBob> I have one company getting me a quote, but if anyone else is interested in doing some N800 programming for us, please let me know! :)
Oct 02 05:37:44 <pupnik> I don't trust my own quotes much less those of others
Oct 02 07:14:47 <jani> http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/symbian_debugging.jpg =)
Oct 02 07:58:46 <zwnj> does kernel of version 2007.4 support SDHC?
Oct 02 08:08:12 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Oct 02 08:08:21 <Jaffa> zwnj: yes
Oct 02 08:08:40 <zwnj> perfect
Oct 02 08:08:43 <zwnj> thanks Jaffa :)
Oct 02 08:15:03 <edistar> is the release of OS2007 for the n770 useable?
Oct 02 08:29:42 <disq> Jaffa: check out powerlaunch (thread in maemo-users) it's genius
Oct 02 08:30:32 <disq> _Monkey: powerlaunch is http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/28243
Oct 02 08:30:33 <_Monkey> OK, disq.
Oct 02 08:30:59 <edistar> where do I find information how to (re-)flash my n770?
Oct 02 08:31:44 <edistar> while I was installing openssh-common it deinstalled everything that had to do with osso* so I am left with nearly nothing
Oct 02 08:31:53 <disq> uh
Oct 02 08:32:36 <disq> ITT should have some thread, but it's actually pretty straightforward
Oct 02 08:33:01 <disq> get the flasher binary, get the firmware from http://tablet-dev.maemo.org/ and follow instructions
Oct 02 08:33:04 <edistar> disq: ok http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/ this correct?
Oct 02 08:34:02 <disq> the commandline parameters etc are accurate yes
Oct 02 08:34:23 <edistar> disq: thx
Oct 02 08:34:29 <disq> but download the _latest_ OS2006 image (follow the link there, maemo.org/downloads/770) instead
Oct 02 08:34:40 <disq> erm, looks like tablet-dev doesn't have the firmware images btw i was wrong
Oct 02 08:35:43 <edistar> disq: do you think the os2007_hacker_edition is stable enough for a bit of surfing around?
Oct 02 08:36:18 <disq> never used it, but afaik it is pretty much usable. except for the cover, afaik it won't go into standby with the cover on
Oct 02 08:37:46 <edistar> disq, thats quite annoying...
Oct 02 08:38:02 <edistar> I'll test
Oct 02 08:38:41 <disq> in n800, mce has a "softpoweroff" mode that you can use, to turn the screen and keypad events off
Oct 02 08:38:46 <disq> saves quite a lot of power
Oct 02 08:39:00 <edistar> mce?
Oct 02 08:39:04 <disq> maybe it could also work with 770, you should check out /etc/mce/mce.ini and /etc/systemui/
Oct 02 08:39:24 <edistar> disq: ok, I'll check, sounds quite interesting
Oct 02 08:39:52 <disq> it's one of the programs that control the keypad/screen locking and that kind of things
Oct 02 08:40:23 <disq> (softpoweroff doesn't exist in OS2006 tho)
Oct 02 08:42:24 <edistar> disq: sounds nice though :)
Oct 02 08:42:45 <edistar> I don't like the design of the n800
Oct 02 08:44:22 <GeneralAntilles> I keep hearing that, and I still don't understand it.
Oct 02 08:44:49 <edistar> GeneralAntilles: I just love the metal sliding case :P
Oct 02 08:45:11 <disq> ergonomically it's better (dpad location, better screen feeling, etc) but i too missed the 770's cover for a while when i first got it
Oct 02 08:45:15 <edistar> GeneralAntilles: makes a much stronger impression
Oct 02 08:45:17 <disq> not to mention the stupid design of the top buttons
Oct 02 08:45:50 <disq> but you get used to both.
Oct 02 08:45:57 <edistar> I suppose the hardware is better in the n800 :( screen too, but still, don't have that much money and I'm saving for a neo1973 ;)
Oct 02 08:48:02 <edistar> os2007 looks quite cool
Oct 02 08:48:09 <edistar> the keyboard does ;)
Oct 02 08:50:27 <disq> yep
Oct 02 08:50:52 <edistar> it's really weird!
Oct 02 08:50:58 <edistar> really have to get used to it..
Oct 02 09:08:10 <disq> wonder why application_top (or top_application) doesn't work with kagu
Oct 02 09:12:31 <edistar> is canola released under gpl?
Oct 02 09:21:20 <disq> no
Oct 02 09:51:07 <Nai> good morning(~ugt)
Oct 02 09:51:49 <Nai> Any body can tell me . N700 or N770 which is correct?
Oct 02 09:52:11 <inz> 770
Oct 02 09:52:14 <inz> without N
Oct 02 09:52:15 <onion> Nai: it's 770.. no 'N'
Oct 02 09:53:10 <Nai> Ya .thank you very much.
Oct 02 09:54:19 <Test_> good morning(~ugt)
Oct 02 09:56:08 <inz> disq, maybe it doesn't handle the top_application dbus method call?
Oct 02 09:56:45 <disq> inz: isn't matchbox supposed to switch to the application?
Oct 02 09:57:08 <disq> though i think it's not involved
Oct 02 09:58:39 <inz> disq, osso_application_top() sends a dbus message to the service and it's up to that service to top itself.
Oct 02 09:59:58 <inz> disq, so matchbox is only involved once the topped service calls window_present or something alike
Oct 02 10:00:10 <disq> okay thanks
Oct 02 10:00:14 <disq> check out powerlaunch btw :P
Oct 02 10:01:55 <Big_B> Hi lardman!!!!!!!!!
Oct 02 10:01:56 <_Monkey> hi lardman are you here!!
Oct 02 10:02:04 <lardman> morning
Oct 02 10:02:05 <_Monkey> aloha
Oct 02 10:02:40 <lardman> disq: Any screenshots of PowerLaunch?
Oct 02 10:03:24 <disq> the auther didn't provide any, but it's just a window with a cancel button on it
Oct 02 10:03:50 <lardman> and that replaces the maemo desktop?
Oct 02 10:03:59 <disq> there's a glade file with multiple "windows" though and you can change it to suit your needs
Oct 02 10:04:13 <disq> no. not the desktop
Oct 02 10:04:16 <disq> _Monkey: powerlaunch?
Oct 02 10:04:17 <_Monkey> rumour has it powerlaunch is http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/users/28243
Oct 02 10:04:49 <lardman> _Monkey: I never thought I'd say it, but thanks, you've been useful ;)
Oct 02 10:04:49 <_Monkey> de nada lardman
Oct 02 10:05:33 <lardman> disq: ah, I see
Oct 02 10:06:16 <disq> having softpoweroff with keypad enabled (and being able to macro it easily) is really nice for media playback
Oct 02 10:06:22 <inz> disq, so it implements systemui powerkeymenu and claims to replace it?
Oct 02 10:06:31 <inz> s/it/systemui/
Oct 02 10:06:32 <infobot> inz meant: disq, so systemui implements systemui powerkeymenu and claims to replace it?
Oct 02 10:06:34 <disq> yeah
Oct 02 10:06:42 <inz> grr
Oct 02 10:06:48 <disq> you can make multiple powerkeymenus and switch thru them etc
Oct 02 10:07:04 <inz> But you lose alarm, "charging mode"...
Oct 02 10:07:09 <disq> put buttons on there to run stuff/change settings. or just configure key macros
Oct 02 10:07:36 <disq> afaik systemui is the powerkeymenu, nothing else
Oct 02 10:07:41 <inz> false
Oct 02 10:07:44 <inz> ls /usr/lib/systemui
Oct 02 10:08:16 <disq> also, it doesn't replace it. it provides an alternative for it. you stop systemui and run powerlaunch at startup
Oct 02 10:08:23 <disq> so systemui binary is still tehre
Oct 02 10:08:28 <disq> there even
Oct 02 10:09:03 <inz> Hmm, I wonder if it's guaranteed that you may "spy" method_calls like that
Oct 02 10:09:35 <disq> not sure what will happen if i disable systemui in init.d and run powerlaunch instead
Oct 02 10:40:43 <lardman> hmm, I thought people had concluded that there'd be a software update today, based on the comment in the bugtracker
Oct 02 10:41:35 <inz> where?
Oct 02 10:42:12 <lardman> in the bug for the SD card problems
Oct 02 10:44:25 <lardman> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1204 comment #112
Oct 02 10:44:37 <lardman> #109 actually
Oct 02 10:51:45 <inz> Umh, there indeed seems to be a "planned" release date
Oct 02 11:02:21 <Jaffa> I'd be surprised (and impressed) if it was a Chinook-based IT OS, rather than basically a kernel patch for the SDHC issue
Oct 02 11:04:44 <lardman> true
Oct 02 11:05:19 <lardman> I wonder if the new tablet will be chinook based though, and that's presumably not too far off (though a couple of months is a fair time I suppose)
Oct 02 11:05:44 <disq> i'm guessing so
Oct 02 11:08:44 <atul> hi
Oct 02 11:13:00 <Jaffa> Ah, there's info on it already available. It's another 4.2007 version containing just the SDHC fix
Oct 02 11:13:10 <Jaffa> lardman: agreed
Oct 02 11:13:22 <Jaffa> http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_80293
Oct 02 11:13:59 <lardman> oh, so nothing except the fix
Oct 02 11:14:03 <lardman> oh well
Oct 02 11:17:00 <lardman> Presumably the kernel fix won't have removed any symbols - just thinking about flashing it on its own to avoid needing to re-install everything
Oct 02 11:20:22 <disq> yeah i'd like to do that too
Oct 02 11:20:52 <lardman> hmm, doesn't look like the new one is on maemo.org yet
Oct 02 11:21:09 <lardman> 4.2007.26-8 is the latest one
Oct 02 11:21:22 <lardman> on here rather: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php
Oct 02 11:24:32 <pupnik> it appears i don't need any active scripts on a website to make a debian repo
Oct 02 11:24:38 <pupnik> just proper structure and files
Oct 02 11:25:51 <disq> yep
Oct 02 11:26:59 <pupnik> ok i didn't know that
Oct 02 11:27:32 <pupnik> thought i couldn't host a repo on my simple webhost
Oct 02 11:51:51 <lardman> see you chaps later
Oct 02 12:24:32 <disq> RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin up at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/
Oct 02 12:24:47 <disq> surprised i'm the one that found about it first
Oct 02 12:25:18 <Veggen> hmm. if it works, perhaps I should finally get an 8 GB card or two myself...
Oct 02 12:36:48 <atul> hi
Oct 02 12:50:59 <atul> hi
Oct 02 12:51:00 <_Monkey> bonjour, atul
Oct 02 12:51:30 <atul> hi i want to know how to sest audio on the emulator
Oct 02 12:51:52 <atul> i want to set audio for Xephyr using Maemo
Oct 02 12:52:02 <atul> hello _Monkey
Oct 02 12:52:03 <_Monkey> niihau, atul
Oct 02 12:52:11 <atul> plz reply
Oct 02 12:52:14 <atul> me
Oct 02 12:53:01 <gla55_> maybe nobody is just here now
Oct 02 12:53:36 <Veggen> ..or nobody that knows the answer ;)
Oct 02 13:01:21 <atul> exit
Oct 02 13:01:23 <atul> exit
Oct 02 13:01:42 <atul> ok
Oct 02 13:32:58 <eichi> do i ned a special kernel for nfs server and client on n800 ?
Oct 02 13:34:56 <b0unc3> eichi: yes
Oct 02 13:35:35 <satd> hey
Oct 02 13:35:37 <satd> need help
Oct 02 13:35:49 <satd> trying to install hamachi on n770
Oct 02 13:36:01 <satd> i was told to install as root
Oct 02 13:36:11 <satd> when i do sudo ./install
Oct 02 13:36:14 <eichi> b0unc3: cant i use only a module for it?
Oct 02 13:36:16 <satd> it comes up with error
Oct 02 13:36:41 <b0unc3> eichi: yes, of course
Oct 02 13:36:46 <b0unc3> satd: on the tablet ?
Oct 02 13:36:55 <satd> Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute ./install as root on Nokida770
Oct 02 13:36:59 <satd> yea on the tablet
Oct 02 13:37:18 <pakos_> satd: are there hamachi binaries for the N770? :-o
Oct 02 13:37:27 <satd> yea
Oct 02 13:37:40 <satd> http://files.hamachi.cc/linux/nokia-770/
Oct 02 13:37:54 <eichi> b0unc3: than its great ;) i dont want to work with the kernel itself :P - to much stress
Oct 02 13:38:10 <pakos_> satd: wow, didn't know that, thanks
Oct 02 13:38:23 <b0unc3> satd: ;)
Oct 02 13:38:30 <b0unc3> ops.. eichi :)
Oct 02 13:40:52 <satd> now i need help installing it
Oct 02 13:40:54 <satd> :D
Oct 02 13:41:37 <pakos_> :) if i understand you correctly, you need to get root somehow, right?
Oct 02 13:42:09 <X-Fade> Did anybody see a Changelog for the new N800 firmware?
Oct 02 13:43:04 <satd> yea
Oct 02 13:43:14 <Veggen> X-Fade: according to http://europe.nokia.com/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_80293 it's only 8GB card fix.
Oct 02 13:43:28 <satd> Run './install' and then 'tuncfg' from under the root account
Oct 02 13:43:28 <satd> 	Run 'hamachi-init' to generate crypto identity (any account).
Oct 02 13:43:28 <satd> 	Run 'hamachi start' to launch Hamachi daemon.
Oct 02 13:43:28 <satd> 	Run 'hamachi login' to put the daemon online and to create an account.
Oct 02 13:43:28 <satd> 	Run 'hamachi join <network>' to join the network.
Oct 02 13:43:29 <satd> 	Run 'hamachi go-online <network>' to go online in the network.
Oct 02 13:43:31 <satd> 	Run 'hamachi list' to list network members and their status.
Oct 02 13:43:33 <||cw> ...
Oct 02 13:44:00 <X-Fade> Veggen: Yeah, I diffed the firmwares and I see some more changes though ;)
Oct 02 13:44:42 <inz> satd, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot
Oct 02 13:48:26 <satd> all the gray box are empty for me...
Oct 02 13:48:32 <satd> what browser should i be using
Oct 02 13:50:59 <pakos_> satd: works fine with firefox 2.0.0.6, konqueror 3.5.7 and opera 9.23 (on kubuntu feisty)
Oct 02 13:52:27 <satd> i am on opera 9.23
Oct 02 13:52:37 <satd> and all the gray boxes are empty
Oct 02 13:52:42 <satd> i don't see no text in them..
Oct 02 13:52:52 <satd> shoud i enable something to see them..
Oct 02 13:55:39 <pakos_> seems pretty standard html for me
Oct 02 13:56:05 <pakos_> satd: do you have a custom css?
Oct 02 13:56:47 <b0unc3> no problem with opera 9.23 here
Oct 02 14:00:28 <satd> no
Oct 02 14:00:32 <satd> i don't have custom css
Oct 02 14:14:05 <eichi> someone knows, how to install nfs-common on maemo? it seems, that i need some perl extras as depency..someone knows?
Oct 02 14:32:29 <|R> http://web.media.mit.edu/~lifton/snippets/n800_to_sl/ <- some is having fun, i'll need to use this to have a streaming feed
Oct 02 14:32:42 <|R> s/some/someone
Oct 02 14:33:20 <pakos_> does anyone know, if the opera browser of the n800 is npapi-compatible?
Oct 02 14:42:32 <eichi_n800> damn apt-get install nfs-common will remove half of my system .... :)
Oct 02 15:13:33 <satd> how do i change folder in root
Oct 02 15:13:47 <satd> to do this
Oct 02 15:13:52 <satd> do i log in as root?
Oct 02 15:13:54 <satd> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot
Oct 02 15:14:20 <zoran> are u root in this moment?
Oct 02 15:20:51 <satd> yes
Oct 02 15:21:08 <satd> its says nokia770-49#
Oct 02 15:22:45 <satd> tried to install dropbear
Oct 02 15:22:53 <satd> its says incompatible packages
Oct 02 15:25:58 <zoran> ah, you have to set repositories to get them via apt
Oct 02 15:26:18 <zoran> why not openssh?
Oct 02 15:27:16 <satd> i have run openssh
Oct 02 15:27:32 <satd> Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute './install' as root on Nokia770-49.
Oct 02 15:27:54 <zoran> it is good, as I see it
Oct 02 15:28:13 <satd> what should i do
Oct 02 15:28:17 <zoran> my 770 is bricked in this moment, so have to recall from memory
Oct 02 15:28:36 <satd> i am trying to install hamachi
Oct 02 15:28:41 <zoran> go out of this and find maemowiki/ApplicationCatalog2006
Oct 02 15:28:58 <satd> i did
Oct 02 15:29:09 <zoran> so, open puts app in memory
Oct 02 15:29:26 <zoran> sudo starts up and lets you to do install
Oct 02 15:30:01 <zoran> debian way would be to add repository and do "apt-get install my_app"
Oct 02 15:30:17 <satd> not sure what u mean..
Oct 02 15:30:20 <satd> i am lost
Oct 02 15:30:34 <satd> never used linux anything but windows b4
Oct 02 15:30:37 <zoran> may I ask, what app u try to install?
Oct 02 15:30:59 <zoran> remember, I have no 770 at my sight
Oct 02 15:32:34 <rik> anyone got the cpan module onto an N800?
Oct 02 15:32:40 <satd> hamachi
Oct 02 15:32:40 <_Monkey> hamachi is closed source, and there's not version for the ARM architecture, how did you get it to run ?
Oct 02 15:32:46 <zoran> k, found, vpn app
Oct 02 15:33:09 <red-zack> satd: hamachi for 770?
Oct 02 15:33:16 <satd> is _Monkey a bot?
Oct 02 15:33:37 <zoran> _Monkey talks, as I see
Oct 02 15:33:38 <_Monkey> zoran: what?
Oct 02 15:33:46 <zoran> :)
Oct 02 15:33:50 <satd> ohh
Oct 02 15:33:51 <satd> ha
Oct 02 15:33:52 <zoran> what to answer?
Oct 02 15:34:11 <satd> red-zack>>yes for 770
Oct 02 15:34:22 <zoran> _Monkey, found a link for that app
Oct 02 15:34:23 <_Monkey> zoran: what?
Oct 02 15:34:30 <satd> for what?
Oct 02 15:34:34 <satd> hamachi?
Oct 02 15:34:34 <_Monkey> hmmm... hamachi is closed source, and there's not version for the ARM architecture, how did you get it to run ?
Oct 02 15:34:35 <red-zack> for hamachi?
Oct 02 15:34:37 <zoran> hamachi
Oct 02 15:34:37 <_Monkey> rumour has it hamachi is closed source, and there's not version for the ARM architecture, how did you get it to run
Oct 02 15:34:38 <red-zack> show me
Oct 02 15:34:45 <satd> Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute './install' as root on Nokia770-49.
Oct 02 15:34:53 <zoran> sec
Oct 02 15:34:57 <rik> _Monkey: forget hamachi
Oct 02 15:34:57 <_Monkey> rik: I forgot hamachi
Oct 02 15:35:17 <satd> http://files.hamachi.cc/linux/nokia-770/
Oct 02 15:35:34 <zoran> mikesl300i.blogspot.com/2006/09/hamachi-vns-and-nokia-770.html
Oct 02 15:36:03 <red-zack> satd: do you have any linux expirience?
Oct 02 15:36:08 <satd> nope
Oct 02 15:36:14 <red-zack> satd: forget hamachi
Oct 02 15:36:19 <satd> y?
Oct 02 15:36:22 <red-zack> y
Oct 02 15:36:38 <red-zack> because you should compile it
Oct 02 15:36:49 <zoran> 770 has no proper firewall, everything else is of no use
Oct 02 15:37:09 <red-zack> yes, this is the other thing
Oct 02 15:37:26 <satd> tar -zxvf hamachi-0.9.9.9-20-lnx-n770.tar.gz
Oct 02 15:37:28 <satd> did that
Oct 02 15:37:36 <satd> and it unpacked into folder
Oct 02 15:37:39 <red-zack> ok, this is extracting
Oct 02 15:37:54 <red-zack> but u need to compile the source
Oct 02 15:37:59 <zoran> on 770?
Oct 02 15:38:16 <satd> ./install: 7: HAMACHI_DST: not found
Oct 02 15:38:16 <satd> Copying hamachi into ..
Oct 02 15:38:16 <satd> cp: unable to open `/usr/bin/hamachi': Permission denied
Oct 02 15:38:16 <satd> chmod: /usr/bin/hamachi: No such file or directory
Oct 02 15:38:16 <satd> Creating hamachi-init symlink ..
Oct 02 15:38:17 <satd> ln: /usr/bin/hamachi-init: Permission denied
Oct 02 15:38:19 <satd> Copying tuncfg into /sbin ..
Oct 02 15:38:21 <satd> cp: unable to open `/sbin/tuncfg': Permission denied
Oct 02 15:38:22 <red-zack> jesus..
Oct 02 15:38:23 <satd> chmod: /sbin/tuncfg: No such file or directory
Oct 02 15:38:25 <satd> Hamachi is installed. See README for what to do next.
Oct 02 15:38:27 <satd> thats what i get
Oct 02 15:38:29 <satd> when i try into install it..
Oct 02 15:38:42 <zoran> we created monster!
Oct 02 15:38:56 <satd> :P
Oct 02 15:39:01 <zoran> would u "ls"
Oct 02 15:39:01 <red-zack> we? u ;P
Oct 02 15:39:17 <satd> ls in which folder
Oct 02 15:39:27 <zoran> u just opened
Oct 02 15:39:33 <satd> Nokia770-49:~/MyDocs/.documents/hamachi$ ls
Oct 02 15:39:33 <satd> CHANGES          LICENSE.openssl  hamachi
Oct 02 15:39:33 <satd> LICENSE          LICENSE.tuncfg   install
Oct 02 15:39:33 <satd> LICENSE.openssh  README           tuncfg
Oct 02 15:39:38 <zoran> btw, may I ask a question, stupid one?
Oct 02 15:39:50 <satd> no question is stupid question..
Oct 02 15:39:54 <satd> you may
Oct 02 15:40:02 <red-zack> lol, many are ;)
Oct 02 15:40:06 <satd> hahaha
Oct 02 15:40:07 <zoran> how did u installed gregale?
Oct 02 15:40:13 <satd> :S
Oct 02 15:40:21 <satd> here comes stupid question.....
Oct 02 15:40:24 <zoran> it is what I have to do next days
Oct 02 15:40:25 <satd> what is gregale?
Oct 02 15:40:25 <_Monkey> i guess gregale is something else entirely
Oct 02 15:40:33 <zoran> 3.2006.49
Oct 02 15:40:48 <zoran> one needs linux or knoppix
Oct 02 15:40:55 <satd> from windows
Oct 02 15:41:00 <zoran> I have freebsd and nothing else
Oct 02 15:41:01 <satd> with flasher..
Oct 02 15:41:41 <satd> OS version 3.2006.49-2
Oct 02 15:41:43 <satd> thats what i have
Oct 02 15:41:50 <zoran> I have it on my hdd
Oct 02 15:42:00 <zoran> do, it should reflash 770
Oct 02 15:42:08 <zoran> with flasher-2.0
Oct 02 15:42:19 <satd> y do i need to reflash it?
Oct 02 15:42:25 <zoran> flsher needs linux libs
Oct 02 15:42:32 <zoran> no, me
Oct 02 15:42:37 <satd> ohhh
Oct 02 15:42:51 <zoran> I made mistake and let shell go around
Oct 02 15:42:59 <satd> is gregale is the OS?
Oct 02 15:43:01 <zoran> no way to intercept it
Oct 02 15:43:05 <zoran> yes
Oct 02 15:43:10 <zoran> as I know
Oct 02 15:43:17 <zoran> (not much)
Oct 02 15:43:32 <b0unc3> satd: gregale is the codename for the sdk... not for the firmware
Oct 02 15:43:34 <satd> how do i install this hamachi?
Oct 02 15:43:34 <zoran> one way could be to put bin on usb
Oct 02 15:43:42 <zoran> ah, sorry
Oct 02 15:43:50 <satd> thanks bounce
Oct 02 15:44:05 <zoran> b0unc3, what would be repository then?
Oct 02 15:44:48 <satd> bounce>know any way i can install this hamachi...
Oct 02 15:44:53 <satd> been on this for 3 days
Oct 02 15:45:34 <czr> anyone aware of any big snags with chinook (beta)? running the installer now.
Oct 02 15:46:09 <b0unc3> zoran: I use mistral and gregale on 770 with the latest firmware version
Oct 02 15:46:31 <zoran> thanx
Oct 02 15:46:46 <zoran> I found link to hamachi year ago, but goes nowhere
Oct 02 15:47:00 <satd> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2009&page=2
Oct 02 15:47:17 <b0unc3> satd: I have never installed hamachi...
Oct 02 15:47:19 <zoran> name of poster was whyte tygre
Oct 02 15:47:55 <zoran> satd, why do yo need exactly that?
Oct 02 15:48:51 <zoran> b0unc3, how could I make "./flasher" if it is on ntfs partiotion?
Oct 02 15:49:09 <zoran> I could go to friend and ask him to start up knopoix for me
Oct 02 15:49:35 <b0unc3> zoran: why you have flasher on a ntfs partition?
Oct 02 15:49:43 <zoran> I don't
Oct 02 15:49:57 <zoran> I have some old knoppix in my nands
Oct 02 15:50:03 <zoran> and freebsd on hdd
Oct 02 15:50:06 <zoran> nothing more
Oct 02 15:50:13 <zoran> no win, no linux
Oct 02 15:50:31 <zoran> how to manage with friends box with win?
Oct 02 15:50:48 <zoran> nokia has some genuine flasher, I think
Oct 02 15:50:54 <b0unc3> I think you can run the flasher on freebsd
Oct 02 15:51:00 <zoran> no, I cant
Oct 02 15:51:06 <b0unc3> ah k
Oct 02 15:51:14 <zoran> asks for linux libs
Oct 02 15:51:38 <zoran> pain in the ..., with this libs dependencies
Oct 02 15:52:03 <zoran> if I start live cd, where to put flasher and bin file?
Oct 02 15:52:25 <zoran> usb stick could be the issue
Oct 02 15:52:44 <czr> live cds run from RAM
Oct 02 15:52:47 <zoran> mount usb stick and look at it to start flasher
Oct 02 15:52:52 <zoran> yes :)
Oct 02 15:53:00 <czr> so normally it's enough to put the flasher where ever you want (if you download it within the live cd session)
Oct 02 15:53:03 <zoran> but flasher is on my fss hdd
Oct 02 15:53:15 <czr> fss?
Oct 02 15:53:21 <zoran> linux does not see fss partition
Oct 02 15:53:27 <zoran> bsd file system
Oct 02 15:53:38 <czr> ah. can't you redownload it?
Oct 02 15:53:45 <czr> or just put it on FAT on an usb stick, or smt.
Oct 02 15:53:48 <zoran> to ext2?
Oct 02 15:53:51 <b0unc3> zoran: yeah, put them on a pendrive and mount it without noexec
Oct 02 15:54:01 <zoran> ah, usb 1.0
Oct 02 15:54:08 <zoran> but, nice answer
Oct 02 15:54:22 <zoran> gonna try it when I have my usb back
Oct 02 15:55:05 <rik> cpan, anyone?
Oct 02 15:55:26 <zoran> with lemone, please
Oct 02 15:55:39 <rik> sure.
Oct 02 15:55:44 <zoran> :)
Oct 02 15:55:59 <rik> you tell me how to install it on my N800, and i'll bring the lemon
Oct 02 15:56:17 <zoran> hm, install what?
Oct 02 15:56:27 <GeneralAntilles> We get a real change-log yet on the new firmware?
Oct 02 15:56:29 <zoran> cpan?
Oct 02 15:56:29 <rik> the cpan modules.
Oct 02 15:56:34 <rik> i just want ot get some perl modules working.
Oct 02 15:56:38 <rik> yeah.
Oct 02 15:56:48 <zoran> believe it or not, I just copu them to the device
Oct 02 15:57:06 <rik> the modules?
Oct 02 15:57:16 <zoran> cpan likes their own way, via make...
Oct 02 15:57:26 <zoran> make test etc
Oct 02 15:57:33 <rik> yup
Oct 02 15:57:50 <zoran> no diff, if you ask me
Oct 02 15:57:54 <rik> http://flux.org.uk/projects/rackmonkey/ is what i'm trying to get working.
Oct 02 15:58:03 <zoran> lemme c
Oct 02 15:58:09 <wacky_> Is there a SIP/IAX phone that can be plugged into an Asterisk box, ready to use on Maemo right now ?
Oct 02 15:58:18 <rik> wacky_: top of the news. yes.
Oct 02 15:58:45 <zoran> man
Oct 02 15:58:58 <wacky_> rik: what is it ?
Oct 02 15:58:59 <zoran> there is some device to do just that
Oct 02 15:59:14 <rik> wacky_: keeps track of assets in a data centre.
Oct 02 15:59:41 <wacky_> hmm.. I would have expected the name of a software project as an answer :)
Oct 02 15:59:43 <zoran> httpd or smaller
Oct 02 15:59:46 <wacky_> did I miss something ?
Oct 02 15:59:55 <zoran> rackmonkey
Oct 02 16:00:25 <zoran> I would choose ssh rather
Oct 02 16:00:49 <zoran> db could be the prob
Oct 02 16:00:58 <rik> db is fine. it sues SQLite
Oct 02 16:01:11 <zoran> memory enough?
Oct 02 16:01:16 <rik> shoul dbe.
Oct 02 16:01:22 <zoran> web serv, db...
Oct 02 16:01:31 <zoran> sessions
Oct 02 16:01:37 <rik> session. singluar.
Oct 02 16:01:46 <zoran> u have to trim all modules and services you could
Oct 02 16:01:53 <zoran> bt
Oct 02 16:02:22 <zoran> I saw ad for litle device doing just that
Oct 02 16:02:35 <zoran> linux journal, september, porb
Oct 02 16:03:19 <rik> doesn't hel pme so much.
Oct 02 16:03:34 <zoran> :)
Oct 02 16:03:54 <zoran> k, make new directories for HTML, DB...
Oct 02 16:04:01 <zoran> and let modules sleep there
Oct 02 16:04:11 <zoran> in the path for perl
Oct 02 16:04:28 <zoran> DBI driver
Oct 02 16:04:32 <zoran> what is that?
Oct 02 16:04:56 <rik> the non-database-specific DB access librayr for perl.
Oct 02 16:04:58 <zoran> u have tiny web server in reps
Oct 02 16:05:16 <zoran> rik, it could work!
Oct 02 16:05:28 <zoran> all stuff u already have
Oct 02 16:06:26 <zoran> how big it is and in what language is written?
Oct 02 16:06:37 <rik> perl. and not huge...
Oct 02 16:06:53 <zoran> k, about 60k
Oct 02 16:07:30 <zoran> I c no data about auth method
Oct 02 16:08:16 <Jaffa> ~
Oct 02 16:08:19 * rik looks at the source.
Oct 02 16:09:07 <zoran> requirements say nothing about auth
Oct 02 16:09:17 <rik> that's why i'm looking at the source.
Oct 02 16:09:22 <zoran> :)
Oct 02 16:09:37 <zoran> I have a glass device, called a ball
Oct 02 16:09:51 <zoran> nothing there, for now! :)
Oct 02 16:09:57 <zoran> k, no auth
Oct 02 16:10:08 <zoran> what call method?
Oct 02 16:10:19 <zoran> or, what port?
Oct 02 16:10:53 <rik> it's a cgi script.
Oct 02 16:10:53 <zoran> ah!!!
Oct 02 16:11:55 <zoran> does it _really_ manages anuthing?
Oct 02 16:12:03 <rik> i don't know.
Oct 02 16:12:04 <zoran> or shows statistics?
Oct 02 16:12:11 <rik> for the third time, this is why i'm looking at the source.
Oct 02 16:12:13 <zoran> latter, probably
Oct 02 16:12:30 <zoran> stats
Oct 02 16:13:09 <zoran> you could telnet or netcat to any port and get all those data
Oct 02 16:13:28 <zoran> telnet www.myweb.com 80
Oct 02 16:13:38 <zoran> get / http/1.0
Oct 02 16:13:43 <zoran> enter 2x
Oct 02 16:14:39 <rik> yup. looks likeit relies on the web server to authenticate, but not to authorise. doesn't look like there's much in the way of state.
Oct 02 16:14:56 <zoran> so, let it go
Oct 02 16:15:11 <zoran> (fish is too small)
Oct 02 16:15:59 <zoran> rik, how many boxes would you like to manage?
Oct 02 16:16:25 <rik> not sure
Oct 02 16:16:33 <rik> doesn't reall ymatter though. that data resides on disk
Oct 02 16:16:41 <zoran> k, install "screen"
Oct 02 16:16:50 <zoran> ssh to particular node
Oct 02 16:17:01 <zoran> open in screen as many instances as you like
Oct 02 16:17:09 <zoran> ssh to all of them
Oct 02 16:17:24 <zoran> from 770 as a charm
Oct 02 16:18:03 <zoran> could be tricky to use screen on 770, since it has no hw keyboard
Oct 02 16:18:10 <rik> well
Oct 02 16:18:16 <rik> i'm usinhg an N800
Oct 02 16:18:18 <rik> not a 770
Oct 02 16:18:20 <zoran> but I used that way to connect and do what I want
Oct 02 16:18:23 <rik> and ssh has nothing to do with this
Oct 02 16:18:30 <rik> also, there's no connectivity when you're in the data center
Oct 02 16:18:32 <zoran> hm?
Oct 02 16:18:35 <rik> that's why i want this on hte N800
Oct 02 16:18:46 <zoran> what is a diff?
Oct 02 16:18:59 <zoran> if u use wifi...
Oct 02 16:19:09 <zoran> u connect to router
Oct 02 16:19:14 <zoran> get your ip
Oct 02 16:19:16 <rik> there is no wifi
Oct 02 16:19:19 <zoran> go out to the wild
Oct 02 16:19:19 <rik> there is no router.
Oct 02 16:19:23 <zoran> connect to the server
Oct 02 16:19:26 <zoran> ah!
Oct 02 16:19:32 <zoran> got it
Oct 02 16:19:43 <zoran> how could u go to the net?
Oct 02 16:19:52 <rik> i can't.
Oct 02 16:20:03 <zoran> so, no nokia?
Oct 02 16:20:39 <rik> oh. i have the N800 here, but when i'm in the data center, it won't have internet access.
Oct 02 16:20:49 <zoran> rik, why?
Oct 02 16:20:57 <zoran> no wifi ap?
Oct 02 16:21:00 <rik> because there's no internet access int he data centers.
Oct 02 16:21:05 <rik> no wifi.
Oct 02 16:21:07 <zoran> :)
Oct 02 16:21:10 <rik> it's a secure environment.
Oct 02 16:21:21 <zoran> go out of the room
Oct 02 16:21:31 <rik> doesn't help.
Oct 02 16:21:35 <zoran> do you have ip address in a public
Oct 02 16:21:37 <rik> the *building* doesn't have it.
Oct 02 16:21:42 <rik> no.
Oct 02 16:21:45 <rik> there is no connectivity.
Oct 02 16:21:50 <rik> stop talking about using the internet.
Oct 02 16:21:51 <zoran> not at all?
Oct 02 16:21:58 <rik> no. not. at. all.
Oct 02 16:21:59 <zoran> k
Oct 02 16:22:11 * czr sends internet to rik
Oct 02 16:22:20 <czr> you can install it on the N800 now
Oct 02 16:22:21 <zoran> me too, please
Oct 02 16:22:52 <czr> seriously though, you could run tcp/ip over bt, assuming you'd have at least some server in the room that would act as an gateway
Oct 02 16:23:04 <czr> at least technically, didn't have time to look into it properly though.
Oct 02 16:23:10 <koen> it's czr!
Oct 02 16:23:18 <czr> hi koen :-). indeed it is
Oct 02 16:23:22 <rik> nope.
Oct 02 16:23:25 <rik> there is nothing
Oct 02 16:23:28 <rik> deliberately.
Oct 02 16:23:31 <czr> every time I try to get away, they pull me back in!
Oct 02 16:24:03 <zoran> stay with us, would you?
Oct 02 16:24:17 <czr> zoran, my plan to escape failed. I'll try harder next time.
Oct 02 16:24:28 <czr> koen, still working with maemo I see?
Oct 02 16:24:42 <zoran> u want to say that you like chicks better then our talks?
Oct 02 16:24:59 <czr> I have nothing against chickens
Oct 02 16:25:24 <zoran> one shows 770 to the chick and chick goes crazy
Oct 02 16:26:07 <zoran> and say "I nefer saw shaver like this"
Oct 02 16:27:33 <zoran> folks, what will be with that wimax story on the next device?
Oct 02 16:29:32 * zoran gone to feed dragons
Oct 02 16:29:52 * czr types af-sb-init.sh
Oct 02 16:29:55 <czr> feels like I never left.
Oct 02 16:31:54 <czr> anyone running chinook sdk?
Oct 02 16:32:04 <czr> (just to confirm one thing)
Oct 02 16:38:02 <koen> czr: yeah
Oct 02 16:38:16 <czr> koen, to which question? :-)
Oct 02 16:38:51 <czr> hmm. for some reason after doing af-sb-init.sh stop, I can't switch sb targets. complains about 'sb-conf: You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first"
Oct 02 16:38:53 <Mikho> does anybody know where I could get a ftdi-sio driver for the 770?
Oct 02 16:38:58 * czr remembers why he liked maemo so much now
Oct 02 16:39:24 <Mikho> I have the ftdi-sio driver sources, but I need various kernel files for compiling
Oct 02 16:40:45 <Mikho> at the moment I'm trying to find the .config file that's supposed to be found from /lib/modules/<kernelversion>/build/
Oct 02 16:40:45 <_Monkey> Hmm.  No matches for that, Mikho.
Oct 02 16:41:08 <koen> czr: that I'm still doing stuff with maemo :)
Oct 02 16:41:17 <Mikho> unfortunately the /lib/modules directory is empty inside my scratchbox
Oct 02 16:41:37 <czr> koen, ah, cool. nice to see "old" faces. was worried that the whole channel had degenerated to single letter words like 'u', 'r' and 'y'. :-)
Oct 02 16:41:51 <koen> :)
Oct 02 16:42:09 <koen> I got most hildon stuff to build against a stock gtk+ today
Oct 02 16:42:23 <koen> abusing some ubuntu-mobile patches
Oct 02 16:42:28 <czr> ah
Oct 02 16:42:39 <czr> so sw using hildon building against ume?
Oct 02 16:43:00 <koen> I had to copy headers containing the private api to the include dir though
Oct 02 16:43:06 <koen> so got still killed a kitten
Oct 02 16:43:30 <koen> no, ubunty-mobile has some patches sanitizing the maemo stuff :)
Oct 02 16:43:32 <czr> well, private api here or there, who cares :-)
Oct 02 16:43:45 <czr> cool
Oct 02 16:43:56 <czr> I've been totally out of the whole mobile-gui stuff for a year or two
Oct 02 16:44:04 <czr> working on high-perf i/o-stuff
Oct 02 16:45:09 <pupnik> radio959.com great interview right now
Oct 02 16:45:49 <czr> meh. what's up with sb not allowing me to switch targets.
Oct 02 16:45:59 * czr applies a patch called hammer to sb.
Oct 02 16:47:07 * czr applies the same patch against himself
Oct 02 16:47:16 <czr> figures, had another session open to sb over the network
Oct 02 16:49:47 <Mikho> Hmm... I just need the configuration file that's used in vanilla 770 kernels
Oct 02 16:52:39 <czr> is there a term package for 4.0 anywhere?
Oct 02 17:09:35 <t_s_o> hrmf, looks like i got hit with wsod :(
Oct 02 17:15:30 <alabama> hi all. Problem here: trying to ssh -X from ubuntu (client) to 770 (server). Both using openssh. The app I pass as a parameter is a python one. If I try it directly on Ubuntu or on 770, it just works. When I try to run it through ssh using 770 as server, it gives me an error in the import gtk line. Same with another app I've tried. What could I try?
Oct 02 17:16:21 <alabama> PS: if I do the contrary, that is Ubuntu server and 770 client, the app works and I can use it from the 770.
Oct 02 17:17:00 <alabama> the error is: "global name '__gtk' is not defined"
Oct 02 17:17:04 <luck^> alabama, maybe you need to use run-standalone.sh before python program.py
Oct 02 17:17:15 <alabama> i'm trying...
Oct 02 17:18:14 <alabama> just a moment...
Oct 02 17:18:18 <luck^> alabama, ok
Oct 02 17:19:22 <alabama> mm thanks luck, it's better now... but:
Oct 02 17:19:40 <alabama> the app runs on the 770: this is not what i want.
Oct 02 17:19:56 <alabama> I'd like to see the app on Ubunutu (client)
Oct 02 17:21:24 <luck^> alabama.. hmmmm
Oct 02 17:21:28 <alabama> why the behaviour is different if I do the reverse? in the other case I can use from 770 the app running on Ubuntu, with the same command line (apart from the run-standalone.sh thing)
Oct 02 17:22:46 <alabama> ohps, damn I must go. luck are there any quick clues you're pondering on?
Oct 02 17:22:52 <luck^> alabama, this script does all the initialization of variables inside scratchbox/770/n800
Oct 02 17:23:11 <alabama> luck^: (waiting)
Oct 02 17:23:57 <luck^> alabama, you're running your application directly inside ubuntu?
Oct 02 17:24:11 <alabama> inside ubuntu the app works
Oct 02 17:24:19 <alabama> but i want it running in 770
Oct 02 17:24:24 <alabama> but seeing it in ubuntu
Oct 02 17:24:26 <alabama> :)
Oct 02 17:24:30 <luck^> :)
Oct 02 17:25:22 <alabama> luck^, which script where you talking about? run-standalone.sh?
Oct 02 17:25:39 <luck^> alabama, yes
Oct 02 17:25:46 <alabama> ok... sorry I must really go
Oct 02 17:26:00 <alabama> let's see in another round. Bye, thanks very much
Oct 02 17:26:10 <luck^> alabama, ok! see you
Oct 02 17:57:56 <satd> i got hamachi running my N770
Oct 02 17:58:02 <satd> now i don't know how to use it
Oct 02 17:58:13 <czr> satd, but at least you have it
Oct 02 17:58:19 <czr> it's more than half of the victory, you know.
Oct 02 17:58:23 <satd> yea..
Oct 02 17:58:37 <gla55_> it's like getting a girl to your apartment and stopping there
Oct 02 17:58:52 <satd> hahaha
Oct 02 17:59:25 <czr> gla55_, or going to a bar and knowing that you could order beer at any point, but not bothering to do so?
Oct 02 17:59:33 <czr> it is.. a powerful feeling..
Oct 02 17:59:47 <||cw> an open bar even, with free beer
Oct 02 17:59:59 <czr> oh yes. very very powerful.
Oct 02 18:00:20 <pupnik> the dosbox guys are so helpful
Oct 02 18:00:28 <gla55_> czr: no. more like going to a bar and not knowing what to do there
Oct 02 18:00:36 <satd> what is the command in ssh to rename folders
Oct 02 18:00:45 <gla55_> bothering is no the right word
Oct 02 18:00:45 <czr> gla55_, who told you that! I'm not always like that..
Oct 02 18:00:49 <gla55_> it implies choice
Oct 02 18:00:52 <pupnik> mv name1 nam2
Oct 02 18:01:04 <satd> also i can see the root in my file manager but can't see the foldering i created using ssh
Oct 02 18:01:21 <satd> and also can't copy or move files to my root using file manager
Oct 02 18:01:26 <satd> any way around this?
Oct 02 18:04:47 <pupnik> use midnight commander or some other file manager
Oct 02 18:04:52 <pupnik> or the command line
Oct 02 18:05:20 <pupnik> but you should be sure of your actions when changing things in the rest of the system
Oct 02 18:05:39 <satd> how do i make user have root permission?
Oct 02 18:09:33 <satd> is there way to create bat file in n770
Oct 02 18:09:35 <pupnik> sudo gainroot
Oct 02 18:09:45 <pupnik> yeah look up shell programming
Oct 02 18:09:56 <satd> when i run it will run bunch of commands
Oct 02 18:10:07 <pupnik> any command you type you can put in a text file
Oct 02 18:10:17 <pupnik> then execute that file
Oct 02 18:10:20 <satd> how
Oct 02 18:10:22 <pupnik> with "sh filename"
Oct 02 18:10:27 <satd> ohh
Oct 02 18:10:40 <satd> but thats in xterm rite
Oct 02 18:10:59 <satd> can't run that file from the gui
Oct 02 18:11:10 <pupnik> you can
Oct 02 18:11:24 <pupnik> but you need the load-applet-run or osso-screenshot applet to run them
Oct 02 18:11:27 <pupnik> load-applet-run?
Oct 02 18:11:28 <_Monkey> i think load-applet-run is John Costigan's awesome toolbar applet to monitor cpu and launch programs: http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/
Oct 02 18:13:24 <pupnik> it would really help to spend some time with a linux 101 type course or book - before mucking too much with the nokia
Oct 02 18:13:44 <czr> bricking in the ultimate teacher!
Oct 02 18:14:40 <satd> if u brick it..
Oct 02 18:14:48 <satd> no way to bring it back?
Oct 02 18:14:56 <satd> even by flashing?
Oct 02 18:15:01 <pupnik> flasher?
Oct 02 18:15:02 <_Monkey> i guess flasher is available from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com
Oct 02 18:15:44 <satd> so it can be fixed?
Oct 02 18:15:51 <pupnik> yes
Oct 02 18:17:24 <satd> any1 here has hamachi on their n770?
Oct 02 18:21:07 <Mikho> sorry about swearing but...
Oct 02 18:22:31 <Mikho> I DAMN to HELL everything about linux drivers. Impossible to install a simple ftdi-sio driver to get a gadget connected to my 770 usb port
Oct 02 18:23:17 <zuh> Mikho: You mean alternative OSes would have better ones? Like WinCE?
Oct 02 18:23:18 <Mikho> for that I need kernel sources, configuration scripts and black magic to get something to work
Oct 02 18:25:13 <Mikho> Instructions say run make and then insmod. Except that make spews out thousands and thousands of error messages that have little to do with the actual problem
Oct 02 18:25:53 <Mikho> </complaint>
Oct 02 18:26:35 <czr> Mikho, you could always write your own os
Oct 02 18:26:36 * Mikho goes for a beer... or two
Oct 02 18:27:12 <Mikho> I just want to plug in something to an usb port and be done with it
Oct 02 18:28:43 <t_s_o> i think thats the worst that apple and microsoft have done to the computer user community. made them think that computers are dead easy to use...
Oct 02 18:38:38 <jumpula> apple is usually elegant and there's logic behind everything
Oct 02 18:38:54 <jumpula> i can't honestly say same about microsoft
Oct 02 18:42:41 <Mikho> actually there's lot of things in microsoft OSes that work
Oct 02 18:43:13 <Mikho> also, my ubuntu desktop installation recognized the usb memory stick I inserted into the port, which is nice
Oct 02 18:48:14 <Mikho> hmm... maybe it's an issue with just this one driver I'm trying to compile
Oct 02 18:57:28 <Mikho> what is "kernel-package"?
Oct 02 18:59:14 * pupnik just found the cvs commit that breaks dosbox on nokia
Oct 02 19:16:24 <Mikho> whoa... scratchbox complains about missing host-gcc pakage with error message: "Too many open files"
Oct 02 19:17:21 <Mikho> in programming, misleading error messages are most perilous
Oct 02 19:24:09 <skibur> anybody have OpenWRT?
Oct 02 20:14:35 <Tb0n3r> for some reason when I try to install things on my 770 for some of the things it says it doesn't have the libglade package that much is dependent on
Oct 02 20:14:37 <Tb0n3r> wtfux?
Oct 02 20:14:45 <Tb0n3r> are these n800 items?
Oct 02 20:15:56 <pupnik> no
Oct 02 20:16:09 <Tb0n3r> but it doesn't seem to be in the list
Oct 02 20:16:17 <Tb0n3r> wish it automatically resolved dependencies
Oct 02 20:16:27 <pupnik> yeah sounds like someone goofed
Oct 02 20:16:39 <Tb0n3r> hmm?
Oct 02 20:16:42 <Tb0n3r> who goofed?
Oct 02 20:16:47 <Tb0n3r> there's a lot of them
Oct 02 20:16:53 <pupnik> the person who packaged the program
Oct 02 20:17:04 <pupnik> you can find libglade here
Oct 02 20:17:07 <pupnik> repositories?
Oct 02 20:17:09 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories  and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php
Oct 02 20:17:14 <Tb0n3r> :)
Oct 02 20:18:36 <pupnik> it does seem to be in my 770 repos
Oct 02 20:18:40 <pupnik> libglade2-0
Oct 02 20:23:33 <Nermal> :)
Oct 02 20:23:39 <satd> all of sudden my n770 is slow
Oct 02 20:23:43 <satd> uninstalling..
Oct 02 20:23:46 <satd> installing..
Oct 02 20:23:58 <satd> even loading application manager takes forever..
Oct 02 20:24:05 <satd> what could of caused it?
Oct 02 20:27:58 <Tb0n3r> oh man, lots of repos
Oct 02 20:29:09 <pupnik> yeah the world will be complete when each tablet owner has his/her own repo
Oct 02 20:29:10 <Tb0n3r> wish I could figure out how the 770 knew that the jacket was on backwards for standby
Oct 02 20:29:20 <Tb0n3r> lol
Oct 02 20:29:28 * Nermal charges his n800
Oct 02 20:29:29 <pupnik> it's a magnetic switch
Oct 02 20:29:46 <Tb0n3r> I thought it might have been
Oct 02 20:29:56 <flip^> does the 770 have the same problem with that media crawler as the n800 for cpu time...
Oct 02 20:30:43 <Tb0n3r> anything I just HAVE to get for my internet table
Oct 02 20:31:01 <flip^> claws-mail...
Oct 02 20:31:02 <_Monkey> claws-mail is good.
Oct 02 20:31:09 <Tb0n3r> hmm
Oct 02 20:31:21 <Tb0n3r> just a pop client?
Oct 02 20:31:25 <flip^> or imap
Oct 02 20:31:40 <flip^> but it actually works well, rather than the rubbish that ships with the device
Oct 02 20:31:57 <Tb0n3r> right
Oct 02 20:32:03 <Tb0n3r> I couldn't get that working with gmail
Oct 02 20:32:43 <flip^> can't say i've tried a gmail account
Oct 02 20:33:04 <flip^> Xournal is pretty nifty
Oct 02 20:34:10 <Tb0n3r> didn't show up in the repos I've selected so far
Oct 02 20:34:13 <Tb0n3r> or does search suck
Oct 02 20:35:13 <Tb0n3r> oh, nvm, refreshing package list
Oct 02 20:35:46 <Tb0n3r> kinda weird though how the screen is sparkly
Oct 02 20:35:55 <Tb0n3r> on black
Oct 02 20:35:58 <Tb0n3r> at a slight angle
Oct 02 20:36:26 <Tb0n3r> is that just the touch screen?
Oct 02 20:36:45 <pupnik> i think that's the touch screen
Oct 02 20:36:56 <Tb0n3r> matrices
Oct 02 20:37:17 <pupnik> i can see them in macro snapshots with my camera
Oct 02 20:38:23 <Tb0n3r> lol microscope
Oct 02 20:39:05 <pupnik> my scopes are packed in crates
Oct 02 20:39:59 <Tb0n3r> :( my repo update is stuck at 6kb
Oct 02 20:46:39 <Tb0n3r> any easier way to move repositories into the system without having to type them all in?
Oct 02 20:47:01 <Tb0n3r> ah, apt
Oct 02 20:48:22 <pupnik> yes, you can click on .install links
Oct 02 20:48:25 <pupnik> these will add repos
Oct 02 20:54:51 <Mikho> mikä ihmeen viinakortti?
Oct 02 20:55:10 <Mikho> sorry, wrong channel
Oct 02 20:56:13 <Tb0n3r> ...
Oct 02 20:56:16 <erstazi> Mikho: you can still talk in any language you desire (:
Oct 02 20:56:17 <Tb0n3r> forgot, no root
Oct 02 20:57:02 <Tb0n3r> what's the root password on these things?
Oct 02 20:57:36 <Mikho> oh, ok. Anyway, it was a response to this http://www.alko.fi/
Oct 02 20:57:47 <Mikho> it has absolutely nothing to do with maemo
Oct 02 21:03:16 <Tb0n3r> root password
Oct 02 21:03:16 <Tb0n3r> :(
Oct 02 21:03:24 <b0unc3> Tb0n3r: rootme
Oct 02 21:03:25 <_Monkey> rootme is the default pw?
Oct 02 21:03:28 <Tb0n3r> ah
Oct 02 21:04:10 <Tb0n3r> sorry, try again
Oct 02 21:04:37 <satd> my n770 is slow all of sudden
Oct 02 21:05:01 <satd> i think needs a good throw against the wall...
Oct 02 21:08:02 <Tb0n3r> rootme isn't the root password
Oct 02 21:09:10 <Mikho> did you try "ssh root@localhost"? That's the only way I could make it accept the root password
Oct 02 21:10:38 <Tb0n3r> cause that gets you to bash
Oct 02 21:10:45 <Tb0n3r> instead of sh
Oct 02 21:13:13 <satd> know any good process killer for n770?
Oct 02 21:15:50 <flip^> if you are confident with the command line, become root and use kill - as long as you know what you're killing
Oct 02 21:19:19 <Tb0n3r> ... now when I try to install openssh server it says "Not found?"
Oct 02 21:19:24 <Tb0n3r> T_T
Oct 02 21:22:50 <Mikho> it doesn't find openssh?
Oct 02 21:25:31 <Tb0n3r> apparently it was the kernelconcepts that wouldn't work
Oct 02 21:26:42 <Tb0n3r> nvm, it's messing up, not updating
Oct 02 21:27:28 <Tb0n3r> and not kernelconcepts, but the non-certified nokia repo
Oct 02 21:27:30 <Tb0n3r> ...
Oct 02 21:30:03 <Tb0n3r> now I'm letting it refresh every time I add a repo so I don't have to break it down again
Oct 02 21:31:24 <Tb0n3r> crap, shoulda just disabled them instead of deleting them
Oct 02 21:31:25 <Tb0n3r> oh well
Oct 02 21:33:08 <Tb0n3r> and it appears oakcourt isn't working
Oct 02 21:35:08 <Tb0n3r> guess I wouldn't trust a dyndns domain anyhow
Oct 02 21:43:02 <Tb0n3r> took a while, but I've got me repositories
Oct 02 21:53:02 <satd> installed hamachi
Oct 02 21:53:08 <satd> and conneted to the network
Oct 02 21:53:36 <satd> but the n770 media play won't see the media server
Oct 02 21:56:42 <Tb0n3r> hmm, openssh server/client .install file still says "Not found?"
Oct 02 22:02:41 <sp3000> heh chinhook
Oct 02 22:02:48 <sp3000> "ouch"
Oct 02 22:06:16 <Blacksitox> http://www.pdastreet.com/articles/2004/10/2004-10-13-Review-palmOne-s.html <- compatible for n800 ?
Oct 02 22:08:05 <gla55_> " or any other infrared-enabled Palm or PDA or smartphone, for that matter),"
Oct 02 22:08:08 <gla55_> i would say no
Oct 02 22:12:00 <Tb0n3r> n800 has iR?
Oct 02 22:12:51 <flip^> I think the lack of ir is why its a no ;)
Oct 02 22:13:32 <Tb0n3r> lulz
Oct 02 22:13:39 <Tb0n3r> I <3 apt-get
Oct 02 22:13:43 <Tb0n3r> well, aptitude
Oct 02 22:13:43 <_Monkey> aptitude is probably the alternative
Oct 02 22:14:15 <Tb0n3r> either that was really quick typing or I don't know wtf you're talkin about
Oct 02 22:14:42 <flip^> _Monkey is kinda automatic :)
Oct 02 22:17:43 <satd> spend 3 days to get hamachi on n770
Oct 02 22:17:51 <satd> now i have no use for it....
Oct 02 22:18:56 <Tb0n3r> ok, much much better
Oct 02 22:18:59 <Tb0n3r> <3 root
Oct 02 22:19:19 <Tb0n3r> instead of graphical interfaces fuxing I can see wtf is going on and cancel/fix it
Oct 02 22:19:41 <Tb0n3r> T_T if only there were cli web browsers that showed pictures
Oct 02 23:40:21 <Thanatermesis> there seems like a problem when i use the system from a MMC card, if i plug the USB device to a computer, the root FS seems mounted too
Oct 03 00:18:01 <Thanatermesis> i have videos on 320x240, but aparently n800 don't resize it for view it on real-fullscreen
Oct 03 00:18:12 <Thanatermesis> mplayer -fs -zoom and more options not works too
Oct 03 00:50:06 <Tb0n3r> god I love this thing
Oct 03 00:52:36 <Tb0n3r> so, is there anything that will play divx?
Oct 03 00:53:37 <Tb0n3> why is the connection so damn slow over usb?
Oct 03 00:59:46 <zerojay> Because it's USB.
Oct 03 01:09:11 <Tb0n3> well, my usb multireader reads and writes at 5x the speed the 770 does
Oct 03 01:09:45 <Tb0n3> 110 minutes left on a 500MB transfer and it's 1/4 of the way done
Oct 03 01:09:47 <Tb0n3> wtfux
Oct 03 01:28:07 <Tb0n3> excuse me 20x faster
Oct 03 01:28:14 <Tb0n3> wait
Oct 03 01:28:15 <Tb0n3> 40
Oct 03 01:28:42 <Tb0n3> is this unusual?
Oct 03 01:34:30 <Tb0n3> mplayer does
Oct 03 01:34:31 <Tb0n3> :D
Oct 03 01:36:04 <Tb0n3> but mplayer plays it horribly
Oct 03 01:36:18 <Tb0n3> and canola not at all
Oct 03 01:37:15 <Tb0n3> goes down to less than 1 frame per second
Oct 03 02:07:45 <shapr> What apt sources can I use for the hacker's edition for the N770?
Oct 03 02:14:12 <shapr> Will I be able to use any OS 2007 repositories with the Hacker's Edition on the Nokia 770?
Oct 03 02:17:14 <shapr> Odd, it's not requesting a DHCP address.
Oct 03 02:49:34 <Tb0n3> oooooo, nice chair I have
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