**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 10 02:59:57 2007 Oct 10 03:29:36 <|R> http://www.wi-fiplanet.com/reviews/article.php/3664466 <- is the guy saying that bluetooth headsets work? Oct 10 05:47:13 mornink Oct 10 06:08:32 <|R> czr : mornin' :) Oct 10 06:08:48 <|R> but good night for me ;) Oct 10 06:09:19 * |R , after 2 days, has everything he wanted basically working and will have tomorrow to see how he can get programs installed on SD cards... Oct 10 06:12:07 night |R Oct 10 07:39:08 Morning, all Oct 10 08:46:57 good morning Oct 10 08:49:17 morning AD-N770 Oct 10 08:59:59 buenos dias felipec Oct 10 09:39:10 hi Oct 10 09:39:22 where does one get libcairo2-dev for maemo ? Oct 10 09:39:44 or just compile mainstream cairo ? Oct 10 09:51:41 Lalalala Oct 10 10:01:12 hi velco, isn't cairo kind of heavy? Oct 10 10:01:32 hmm i see it Oct 10 10:01:42 /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2.11.4 Oct 10 10:01:46 repositories? Oct 10 10:01:46 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Oct 10 10:01:51 velco: search there Oct 10 10:05:36 thanks Oct 10 10:05:44 didn't know about the index :) Oct 10 10:07:55 oh, and I didn't setup the extras in this target, only on the other :( Oct 10 10:08:00 thanks Oct 10 10:49:30 Hi. Wondering if something's wrong with my SDK setup or with libcurl, as I get... Oct 10 10:49:38 > pkg-config --libs libcurl Oct 10 10:49:38 -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ -Wl,/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/ -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lcurl Oct 10 10:50:21 But at least for me, -rpath seems to take only one argument and needs to be repeated, like -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ ... Oct 10 10:50:47 SLi: sb-conf sh Oct 10 10:51:07 Compiler: cs2005q3.2-glibc-i386 Oct 10 10:51:07 Devkits: perl debian-sarge maemo3-tools doctools maemo3-debian Oct 10 10:51:07 CPU-transparency: none Oct 10 10:51:30 dpkg -l scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 Oct 10 10:51:38 (outside sbox) Oct 10 10:52:17 I installed scratchbox from the .tar.gz's... Oct 10 10:52:47 less /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/ChangeLog Oct 10 10:53:12 the information i need is the version number of maemo3 devkit Oct 10 10:53:24 The latest entry is Oct 10 10:53:25 Thu Jun 7 01:16:44 EEST 2007 Jussi Hakala tagged sb-maemo3-devkit_1.0 Oct 10 10:53:57 So I assume 1.0 :) Oct 10 10:54:01 yeah Oct 10 10:54:07 just as i thought Oct 10 10:54:13 Old? Oct 10 10:54:18 yup Oct 10 10:54:26 but you can fix the problem manually Oct 10 10:54:27 Ah. Oct 10 10:54:35 at least the one you're having now :) Oct 10 10:54:47 cd /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3/lib Oct 10 10:54:54 ls *.la Oct 10 10:55:11 I see. I guess there's no clean way to update sb-maemo3-devkit without using the .debs? Oct 10 10:55:28 move those files somewhere else (as root) and try again the pkg-confing from inside the scratchbox Oct 10 10:55:35 *pkg-config Oct 10 10:55:59 the easiest way is to install stuff from debs, so you can update them more easily Oct 10 10:56:04 I just didn't like the .debs installing it to /scratchbox, but I guess I could tolerate it now that I understand better what kind of system scratchbox is. Oct 10 10:56:18 or, you can just delete the old devkit and extract the new version to replace it Oct 10 10:56:55 in the devkit tarball, there are only maemo3 prefixed directories under /scratchbox/devkits Oct 10 10:56:56 Hmm, I guess I'll try that. Oct 10 10:57:00 Ok, that's nice. Thanks. Oct 10 10:57:31 but for example for toolchains, you need to update stuff from device_tools as well as the compilers dir Oct 10 10:58:23 Hmm hm. I guess I'll just reinstall from .debs. Oct 10 11:00:50 tar t -f devkit-tarball.tar.gz Oct 10 11:01:05 that way you see what needs to be updated Oct 10 11:01:20 t -f? Oct 10 11:01:24 yup Oct 10 11:01:30 Yeah. Oct 10 11:01:42 just use "tar tf" like normal people.. :p Oct 10 11:01:57 I still guess it's easiest considering future updates to reinstall from the debs. :) Oct 10 11:01:59 i'm not normal :) Oct 10 11:02:03 I know :) Oct 10 11:02:07 x) Oct 10 11:02:30 SLi: depends if you want to avoid work now just to face it again in the future :) Oct 10 11:02:45 Yep. Oct 10 11:05:11 It isn't possible to develop for current N800 (with OS 2007) with Chinook beta, right? Oct 10 11:06:21 anyone happen to remember what version of gcc will chinook use? Oct 10 11:08:22 3.4.4 Oct 10 11:08:50 SLi, sure you can. Oct 10 11:09:10 You can install chinook on the device. Oct 10 11:09:37 Don't know how though, as far as I know it's a bit tricky. Oct 10 11:10:07 hi Oct 10 11:10:36 alterego, ok. But anyway so I've understood correctly it's something that will eventually become OS 2008 or something. Oct 10 11:11:51 Yes, development in chinook is for the next IT OS release. Oct 10 11:12:07 Whether that's 2008 I don't know. Oct 10 11:12:14 I'd imagine so. Oct 10 11:13:28 I have a question about tap_and_hold. I have an applet, with CSM menu added by gtk_tap_and_hold_setup, for the whole frame. I want to block the menu on particural regions of the frame (especially scrollbars). How can I do that? Oct 10 11:15:33 Hmmm .. Starting to get hungry now. Oct 10 11:15:43 Wonder what I should have for Brunch Oct 10 11:16:07 alterego: first the release Oct 10 11:16:14 :P Oct 10 11:16:27 I'm having some issues at the moment. Oct 10 11:16:43 I think treeview is broken. :/ Oct 10 11:19:30 For some reason it's not showing the little arrows. Oct 10 11:19:32 Ever :( Oct 10 11:21:19 that's all? Oct 10 11:21:37 Yes, Oct 10 11:22:00 I personally think it's a big deal :P Oct 10 11:23:25 Maybe I'm just stalling to annoy you :P Oct 10 11:24:17 not that easy Oct 10 11:26:02 missing xmms2 bindings, now that's annoying ;) Oct 10 11:36:24 BTW in case someone's interested, I have a (at least so far) working scratchbox+nokia sdk environment on amd64, I just had to hack the installer script to not test for ia32 (that broke it even in an ia32 chroot). I installed the environment in an ia32 chroot, but cd'ing to it and running ./login works just fine even outside the ia32 chroot. Oct 10 11:39:05 I guess it _might_ work even without an ia32 chroot when installed from the tarballs or with dpkg --force-architecture. Oct 10 11:44:17 That's very promising SLi Oct 10 11:44:35 Good to know :) Oct 10 12:02:30 SLi: I don't have a ia32 chroot, but sounds cool Oct 10 12:11:23 You shouldn't need a chroot. Oct 10 12:11:32 scratchbox itself is a chroot. Oct 10 12:22:38 is there somewhere documentation what is missing from flash image built with SDK versus released flash images? Oct 10 12:23:47 Genereally, the documentation that is missing is an indication of what's missing in the SDK as opposed to the official IT OS releases ;) Oct 10 13:06:34 buenos dias Oct 10 13:14:41 hmm... could someone test what does this outputs in scratchbox? /usr/bin/curl-config --libs Oct 10 13:15:34 -L/usr/lib -lcurl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lz Oct 10 13:16:38 on 3.2? Oct 10 13:16:46 Yep Oct 10 13:17:08 did you install with nokia shell scripts or manually? Oct 10 13:17:28 nokia shell scripts Oct 10 13:17:36 weird. so did i. Oct 10 13:17:40 but haven't updated in the last week either. Oct 10 13:17:47 and mine outputs -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lcurl -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/host_shared/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/tools/lib/ -Wl,-rpath -Wl,/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib/ -L/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib -lidn -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lssl -lcrypto -ldl -lz Oct 10 13:18:02 that what I get too Oct 10 13:18:07 ..and these options don't work when compiling anything Oct 10 13:18:44 you logged in? seems strange to get the /scratchbox directories (not that I know much about scratchbox/maemo) Oct 10 13:19:01 check out that /usr/bin/curl-config script.. it should output the shorter options Oct 10 13:19:17 yep, that's inside scratchbox Oct 10 13:19:32 greetings Dawnmist Oct 10 13:20:13 really weird problem, i have no clue what might cause this Oct 10 13:24:25 which curl-config returns /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config Oct 10 13:24:34 but still strange Oct 10 13:26:26 yep. and compilation of app that uses autotools fails because curl build test fails on configure Oct 10 13:27:21 the configure script calls /usr/bin/curl-config or just curl-config ? Oct 10 13:29:57 i had to beat curl into rubble a while back and just use a part of it Oct 10 13:31:48 config.log says ac_cv_path__libcurl_config=/scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config Oct 10 13:34:25 that one is hard-coded to return the long list - but why /usr/bin/curl-config also does that is weird Oct 10 13:36:21 seg: old version of maemo3 devkit Oct 10 13:37:54 jumpula: ok - can I update my scratchbox with the new devkit , or is it better to install from scratch? Oct 10 13:38:59 seg: a moment, i'll verify few things first Oct 10 13:40:00 seg: installed from the tarballs or debs? Oct 10 13:40:44 upgrading won't actually help Oct 10 13:40:45 :) Oct 10 13:41:04 the host-side curl-config is invoked when maemo3-tools is selected Oct 10 13:41:11 i installed from tarballs Oct 10 13:41:21 meaning that configure scripts detect the host stuff Oct 10 13:41:24 which is bad Oct 10 13:41:32 I installed from debs Oct 10 13:41:53 is there a way to check devkit's version? Oct 10 13:41:57 you can circumvent this with SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config --libs Oct 10 13:42:12 dpkg -l scratchbox-devkit-maemo3 Oct 10 13:42:22 or less /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3/ChangeLog Oct 10 13:43:16 3 hours ago we were talking about this :) Oct 10 13:43:28 SLi: ping Oct 10 13:43:44 SLi: see my line about the SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE Oct 10 13:44:10 anyway, maemo3 devkit 1.0 has some conflicting la files that may crash builds Oct 10 13:44:15 this has been fixed in 1.0.1 Oct 10 13:44:48 although the problem you're all having is with redirection Oct 10 13:48:12 hmm, i need a home applet that shows my IP address Oct 10 13:48:50 No packages found matching scratchbox-devkit-maemo3. Oct 10 13:49:30 ah, outside sb Oct 10 13:49:35 yeah Oct 10 13:49:47 no scratchboxes inside scratchbox :) Oct 10 13:50:39 i've got latest (1.0.1) Oct 10 13:50:42 jumpula, ok, thanks. I already reinstalled from up-to-date debs, though. :) Oct 10 13:51:17 no harm in that, the problem with 1.0 is quite serious :) Oct 10 13:52:20 got to go - happy hunting - will check the logs later Oct 10 14:01:45 hm, any ideas how to work around this problem? even aliasing the devkit curl-config doesn't seem to satisfy configure Oct 10 14:02:03 alias /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/curl-config='SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config' Oct 10 14:02:06 alias curl-config='SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config /usr/bin/curl-config' Oct 10 14:02:52 * lardman is waiting impatiently for the FCC documents become available... (next month) Oct 10 14:03:13 ./configure SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/curl-config CURL-CONFIG=/usr/bin/curl-config Oct 10 14:03:24 * lardman has also forgotten to use prepositions Oct 10 14:03:34 Newb question; in the mail app, is there a way to mark multiple messsages 'as read' at once? Oct 10 14:03:35 not sure about the CURL-CONFIG= part, see if ./configure --help can verify that Oct 10 14:05:03 --with-libcurl=DIR look for the curl library in DIR Oct 10 14:05:28 but no mention of CURL-CONFIG Oct 10 14:06:54 --with-libcurl=/usr Oct 10 14:07:51 usually, for example, perl path can be specified with PERL=/path/to/perl for configure, even though ./configure --help doesn't say so Oct 10 14:09:04 --with-curl-config=/usr/bin/curl-config perhaps? Oct 10 14:09:19 or just /usr Oct 10 14:09:47 depending if it tries to give the bin part itself or requiring a path directly to binary Oct 10 14:11:35 if all else fails, turn maemo3-tools temporarily off for the target or remove it from the PATH Oct 10 14:12:15 when the redirection rule is in place and the PATH contains only target's version of curl-config, you should be fine Oct 10 14:16:33 hm, i think i got it working Oct 10 14:16:40 thanks! Oct 10 14:17:06 Should osso_iap_connect() make the callback sometime in SDK too? Oct 10 14:17:09 i hope they fix this issue soon.. it's always a bit annoying to add workarounds in your scripts Oct 10 14:17:22 lardman: what info will be released then? Oct 10 14:17:29 chipset? photos? Oct 10 14:17:42 or just radio/wifi/bt Oct 10 14:21:15 Geek Humour (sfw) http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/exploits_of_a_mom.png Oct 10 14:21:49 Hmm, apparently no internet connectivity daemon in SDK, so the app will never be told that there is a connection? Oct 10 14:36:00 is maemo version number available in some file? Oct 10 14:38:51 maemo3 devkit? /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/ChangeLog Oct 10 14:39:06 or do you mean like bora, or ... ? Oct 10 14:39:20 bora or 3.2 or something like that Oct 10 15:14:25 hello all Oct 10 15:14:46 hi michael Oct 10 15:15:19 i have a question about creating an image for the n800 Oct 10 15:16:03 I would like to install all of my programs and then create an image in case i mess it up in the future...that way all I need to do is just flash my image rather than reinstall all of my apps Oct 10 15:16:52 Does rhw Oct 10 15:17:55 Does the backup app work so that you could copy the resulting files created? Oct 10 15:20:31 hi everyone Oct 10 15:21:08 do you know how to talk with gnuite or anyone from maemo mapper ? Oct 10 15:21:41 any suggestions on creating an image file? Oct 10 15:23:31 michael, does it satisfy if you just copy it to newly made /bin directory? Oct 10 15:23:35 Is there a memory register that functions as a cycle-accurate timer on OMAP1710/2420? Something where i can do one asm read/copy and get a cycle-accurate value without invoking a syscall? Oct 10 15:23:57 i am not sure if that would work Oct 10 15:24:09 why not Oct 10 15:24:17 you know when u mess up u'r 800 u use the flasher tool to reeflash Oct 10 15:24:18 michael: if you set up multiboot on your mmc, you can backup/restore images with dd Oct 10 15:24:37 thats what i want to do but flash from an image i created Oct 10 15:24:43 i dont want to boot from mmc Oct 10 15:24:45 pupnik: why? Oct 10 15:25:00 pupnik: what do you want to time to that sort of accuracy? Oct 10 15:25:17 i've got an emulator that uses a cycle-accurate pentium asm instruction for a timer Oct 10 15:25:52 #define rdtsc(val) __asm__ __volatile__ ("rdtsc" : "=A" (val)) Oct 10 15:26:15 rdtsc(T0); Oct 10 15:26:34 /* Execute rdtsc pentium instruction store result into T0. */ Oct 10 15:26:44 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RDTSC Oct 10 15:26:44 Gp2x has something similar Oct 10 15:27:21 correct Oct 10 15:27:51 i found some ARM docs that mention such counters for development boards etc Oct 10 15:28:09 https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2002-October/001182.html Oct 10 15:28:14 pupnik, unrelated to your rdtsc question; I learnt that on bsd nvi is the same app that user could fire up as vi Oct 10 15:28:14 will have to do my own reas... hmm Oct 10 15:28:29 so, no classic vi on bsd box Oct 10 15:29:36 yeah i saw that thread lardman Oct 10 15:30:07 pupnik: no idea then, sorry Oct 10 15:31:55 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/osdep/timer-lx.c?root=mplayer&rev=82&view=markup this might be good enough (gettimeofday()) Oct 10 15:32:40 depends how often you need to query i suppose Oct 10 15:33:03 there will presumably be more overhead in setting up and tearing down the timer than with the tickcounter Oct 10 15:33:11 here's the code referenced by that rtai thread btw.. Oct 10 15:33:14 http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/php/tjuerges/ALMA/RTOS/api/arch-clps711x_2rtai__timer_8h-source.html Oct 10 15:34:59 there was also some for the SA Oct 10 15:37:28 http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/2.6.16.yuv420+tearsync-not-working.diff ahh some interesting references there Oct 10 15:40:57 A Oct 10 15:41:21 kwd clock_get Oct 10 15:41:22 clk Oct 10 15:42:57 is there a way of #defining a macro that can handle a variable list of input parameters? Oct 10 15:43:20 for example if I wanted to #define printf() into fprintf() for example Oct 10 15:43:49 or would I need to declare a wrapper function and use that nasty variable argument parsing business? Oct 10 15:49:22 wherre can i get the new firmware? Oct 10 15:49:30 its downloading at 1.3kb/s Oct 10 15:49:31 :( Oct 10 15:51:37 is there a mirror anywhere? Oct 10 15:53:45 anyone? :( Oct 10 15:54:15 rhys, it is about 60 Mb Oct 10 15:54:16 no, not that I know of Oct 10 15:54:52 http://pastebin.ca/731987 Oct 10 15:55:05 sfw - cheezy video of classic console gaming http://one.revver.com/watch/426032/flv/affiliate/67684 Oct 10 15:56:06 re;evamt to ?? Tak|work ? Oct 10 15:56:26 zoran, its 83mb Oct 10 15:56:39 folks, where lays socat 1.5 for 2006? it has a page in downloads Oct 10 15:56:44 nokias server is crazy slow Oct 10 15:56:50 rhys, even worse Oct 10 15:57:01 not relevant to anything per se; just a script I just wrote to dump a .glade file to a const string in a .h file so that it gets embedded in the executable rather than having to keep track of ${DATADIR}/blah.glade Oct 10 15:57:35 rhys: I'm getting 1.86MB/s here.. Oct 10 15:59:22 X-Fade, wtf. im on internet2, and can pull 5MB/s off internet 1 Oct 10 15:59:23 :\ Oct 10 15:59:32 right now im getting 7.6kb/s Oct 10 16:00:19 nice ole dial up modem? Oct 10 16:01:15 nah, never saw more than ~5kb/s on a modem Oct 10 16:01:18 rhys: My guess is international mirrors. Oct 10 16:01:49 zoran, i just mentioned im on I2. im at college. theres no way its my connections fault Oct 10 16:02:12 X-Fade, can you direct connect send it to me? :( Oct 10 16:02:52 its so sad. yesterday it was actually faster to download the new ubuntu iso from oregon (I2) than transfer it from my usb drive. Oct 10 16:03:12 and now i get 7.6kb/s :( Oct 10 16:07:09 If I want to define a macro like so: http://pastebin.ca/732005 Oct 10 16:07:32 is it possible to more the newline inside the A argument by some trickery? Oct 10 16:07:57 X-Fade, can you at least send me the direct link your downloading from? Oct 10 16:08:25 dunno lardman :( Oct 10 16:08:54 pupnik: doesn't matter, that should work (I think), just wanted to make it neater :) Oct 10 16:19:23 I'd like to know, if I see "missling install file" on download server, does it mean that the particular file does not exist entirely? Oct 10 16:20:18 lardman: printf(A"\n", args); Oct 10 16:23:19 <|R> beside constructing a dual boot system and messing the whole boot structure... would anyone have a simpler suggestion on how to add big packages that would fill the n800's internal ram rapidly? (gjiden for example will need a lot of space for dictionary and fonts) Oct 10 16:23:51 <|R> should i just extract them to SD cards with a cloned system and chroot there? Oct 10 16:24:04 symlink /var/cache/apt to /media/mmcsomething? Oct 10 16:24:29 <|R> that would be an idea for the packages, but what about the installed files? Oct 10 16:24:47 <|R> they have to be at the right place in the system to work :/ Oct 10 16:24:47 no diff Oct 10 16:25:03 <|R> i can't isntall fonts in tmp and then libs in bin and expect this to work :) Oct 10 16:25:09 ln -s /media/mmc2/bin/file /bin/file Oct 10 16:25:21 <|R> uhm ok.. yeah Oct 10 16:25:28 <|R> i'll do a massive linking, why not :) Oct 10 16:25:52 <|R> i hope the busybox sed/bash is good enougth for some scripting :P Oct 10 16:25:52 ah @ installed files Oct 10 16:25:58 be aware not to do link for whole /bin Oct 10 16:26:07 <|R> no of course :) Oct 10 16:26:15 <|R> but i thougth the cards were no-exec mounted? Oct 10 16:26:19 bludgeon the packager for not giving an option to install data to mmc? Oct 10 16:26:20 <|R> i can change it i guess Oct 10 16:26:23 <|R> (fstab and such) Oct 10 16:26:39 you could always make it ext2 Oct 10 16:26:49 <|R> i was just wondering if there was any counter indications, i'm used to linux but not with ones that are not on PCs ;) Oct 10 16:27:23 like du and df Oct 10 16:29:53 Tak|work, do you think the box will boot if link goes like "ln -s /media/mmc2/bin /bin" ? Oct 10 16:30:20 it could not find some essential binaries Oct 10 16:31:46 how can a package installer (preinst, postinst) be made to query user where data goes? Oct 10 16:31:56 zoran: I wouldn't risk it ;-)( Oct 10 16:32:08 me neither Oct 10 16:32:33 <|R> hehe same here ;) Oct 10 16:33:00 pupnik: several packages do similar things, like asking if the menu item should go in extras or games Oct 10 16:33:33 you're right... i can't remember which do it tho Oct 10 16:33:34 does someone use ssl on 2006 to connect to server? I have to handle socat for pop port 995 Oct 10 16:34:00 it has no verify option, if I'm not wrong Oct 10 16:37:55 Tak|work: thanks, I forgot that strings get concatenated like that Oct 10 17:09:28 anyone have the newest firmware? Oct 10 17:10:12 * alterego does Oct 10 17:12:53 <|R> same here Oct 10 17:12:59 <|R> RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 10 17:13:00 <|R> this? Oct 10 17:13:11 YEs! Oct 10 17:13:23 <|R> want me to u/l it somewhere? Oct 10 17:13:24 i can only get it at 7kb/s from nokias sist Oct 10 17:13:27 yesyeysyeys! Oct 10 17:13:32 <|R> where could that be? :) Oct 10 17:14:11 ah Oct 10 17:14:18 direct connect could work... Oct 10 17:14:24 i could make you a login to my server if you want Oct 10 17:14:42 <|R> sure, anything will do, ftp, scp, whatever :) Oct 10 17:14:46 Yeah, I was gettingeda poor connection yesterday. Oct 10 17:14:49 <|R> i can u/l at 80k/sec Oct 10 17:15:05 i can download at 5MB/s Oct 10 17:15:08 <|R> hehe ;) Oct 10 17:15:10 <|R> i wish i could Oct 10 17:15:23 are you on i2? Oct 10 17:15:27 <|R> at home or work / univ ? Oct 10 17:15:29 |R, direct connect would be easier Oct 10 17:15:32 uni Oct 10 17:15:36 <|R> no, just on a local cable provider at home ) Oct 10 17:15:38 <|R> :) Oct 10 17:16:28 |R, can you dc? Oct 10 17:16:46 <|R> what do you call direct connect? Oct 10 17:16:51 actually, i can host it on my http mirror here, if someone wants to place it in the topic for the channel Oct 10 17:17:01 |R, whats built into most IRC clients. what xchat has Oct 10 17:17:12 <|R> oh ok! hehe Oct 10 17:17:25 <|R> i guess yes, though haven't used this in bitchx for a long time ;) Oct 10 17:17:46 <|R> are you getting something? Oct 10 17:18:18 aye. wtf. Oct 10 17:19:11 <|R> urhm... Oct 10 17:19:14 im getting 3k a sec Oct 10 17:19:18 one second. this is odd Oct 10 17:19:18 <|R> yep, i can see that Oct 10 17:19:27 <|R> and my connection is completely iddle here Oct 10 17:19:32 <|R> (no p2p or anything :P) Oct 10 17:19:53 <|R> would there be a problem between you and internet 1 ? :| Oct 10 17:19:57 there throttling here somehow. Oct 10 17:24:35 sob. Oct 10 17:24:54 this is mad. i just talked to my boss (i work in IT) and apparently the throttling for the wifi changes by time Oct 10 17:25:53 during work hours its massive Oct 10 17:26:00 still Oct 10 17:26:02 <|R> argh :| Oct 10 17:26:16 would people still like a server to host that here? like to post in the topic? Oct 10 17:40:24 so after being disconnected here Oct 10 17:52:33 * czr peeks Oct 10 18:09:10 "Contrary to what steve jobs has to say: the 'real' internet is not 480 pixels wide, flash-free, and subdivided into neat little div containers for apple's convenience." haha ZAP Oct 10 18:10:24 "Also these communicators (n800/770) need a GSM radio like a hole in the head. Why would you want to pay for a second data plan when you could just tether to your current phone and share it's data plan, then upgrade your phone if you want faster service (or a different provider)." = Peter Tripp +++ Oct 10 18:10:26 who's quote is that Oct 10 18:10:44 previous was 'roc ingersot' Oct 10 18:13:08 i like the n800 custom clamp mount for train use: http://thickerthanbloodthebook.com/research/770/ Oct 10 18:19:26 Haha, totally agreed on the GSM radio Oct 10 18:21:42 oh man why didn't anybody think of a 5-column querty keyboard on a phone before? http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadgetmobile.com/media/2007/10/sprint-pearl-8130-ofc.jpg Oct 10 18:26:26 compared to maemo, what do people most miss from "real debian" Oct 10 18:28:18 sshfs Oct 10 18:28:21 :) Oct 10 18:35:59 disq: Our applications are similar, did you never have any problems where osso_initialize returned NULL? Oct 10 18:36:57 Lateralus, most common problems are invalid dbus .session or .desktop files. Oct 10 18:37:13 alterego: It's a daemon, there is no .desktop file Oct 10 18:37:27 Oh Oct 10 18:37:47 Then check the session file. Oct 10 18:38:01 alterego: the "session" file? Do you mean service file? Oct 10 18:38:22 Yes, that's what I mean :) Oct 10 18:39:50 Lateralus: not sure if i did Oct 10 18:40:56 My service file looks ok, the only difference is that right now the daemon is thrown in /usr/local/bin, rather than /usr/bin/ Oct 10 18:40:56 <_Monkey> Hmm. No matches for that, Lateralus. Oct 10 18:42:51 hey alterego Oct 10 18:43:02 Hello czy, meet your deadline okay? Oct 10 18:43:15 czr ;) Oct 10 18:43:30 alterego, "kind of" :-) Oct 10 18:43:36 :) Oct 10 18:43:38 still continuing. Oct 10 18:44:20 had really funny feedback on one of the materials. the reviewer got scared about the length of the scrollbars in the browser ;-) Oct 10 18:44:33 Hahah Oct 10 18:44:46 the solution for that problem (obviously) was to shift the browser slightly to the right, so that the scrollbar wouldn't be visible anymore :-) Oct 10 18:45:18 Hahah Oct 10 18:46:14 lol Oct 10 18:46:29 other than that, still a lot of stuff to do for the other material, so I think I'll be busy for quite some time still. Oct 10 18:46:50 but at least the glib-dbus stuff seems to be ok, which is a relief to me. Oct 10 18:47:53 i need some volunteers to test the latest kagu from svn. trevarthan's been busy, so i am the sole coder+tester right now Oct 10 18:48:04 especially the a2dp enable/disable code, i modified it but had no way to test Oct 10 19:10:05 i would test it but i only have a n800 @ work and there we re not allowed to connect to svn Oct 10 19:13:56 sucks to be you :P Oct 10 19:14:22 konttori u there? Oct 10 19:14:35 yeah Oct 10 19:16:11 hmm... I think I've just been able to find out how to support stage6 videos on uktube Oct 10 19:16:23 Hmm... maybe Oct 10 19:16:29 definately maybe Oct 10 19:16:40 I have to try it later on. Oct 10 19:30:11 http://pastebin.com/d6a1f917c This is the code that dies at osso_initialize (gets NULL) Oct 10 19:30:31 The service file data is at the bottom of the post Oct 10 19:36:20 weird. examined but no idea Oct 10 19:37:01 try calling g_main_loop_new() after osso_init? Oct 10 19:37:02 the only thing different than other things I've seen is the location of the binary, which shouldn't matter, afaik Oct 10 19:37:08 disq: k Oct 10 19:38:08 lateralus, you're not a 20 year old girl living in wisconsin are you? Oct 10 19:38:27 pupnik: I'm half afraid to answer, but, no. Oct 10 19:38:59 well then be aware of low uniqueness quotient on your chosen nickname Oct 10 19:39:58 I had changed in the past, but Lateralus was muscle memory after a certain point Oct 10 19:40:40 Lateralus, do you run this as user or root? Oct 10 19:40:50 playya: root Oct 10 19:41:10 i have a muscle-memorized password i rarely use (only for a certain ssh key). i thought i forgot it once. tried closing my eyes and typing away, and it worked Oct 10 19:41:13 this might be the problem Oct 10 19:41:17 playya: user would not have been able to lock the tmp file, etc Oct 10 19:41:36 playya: Oh? Oct 10 19:41:38 yeah root could be the prob Oct 10 19:41:45 i ran my app as root too and osso was null too Oct 10 19:42:48 disq: We have an insane password here at work for our only "hub" server, which has routes to a lot of the boxes in our DC, I can only get it right by typing it without thinking Oct 10 19:44:24 is it "insanepassword"? Oct 10 19:44:32 mypassword Oct 10 19:44:36 111111 Oct 10 19:44:48 beerandpizza Oct 10 19:44:59 * czr should develop a pam module that accepts passwords when input in binary only Oct 10 19:45:35 although you'd first have to MIME-encode it before going into binary, then use 6 bits per character Oct 10 19:45:41 ultimate security Oct 10 19:46:39 disq: If you aren't running scrobblerd as root, how are you writing the .lock file? Oct 10 19:47:13 use semaphores or sth Oct 10 19:48:07 the lock file fails and i trust the dbus :( Oct 10 19:50:19 Lateralus: songlistend will only fork() (and .lock) if it's not called with --dbus (ie. ran from the cmdlne) Oct 10 19:50:36 the service file has a --dbus param after the binary Oct 10 19:50:51 same for scrobblerd Oct 10 19:51:44 am I right in thinking that if I fork a process I shouldn't write to stdout with the child? Oct 10 19:52:08 or at least not with one of them Oct 10 19:52:16 you could. it will work for a while until the tty is closed. but you shouldn't Oct 10 19:52:27 oh, are writes atomic? Oct 10 19:52:38 won't it confuse the stdout buffering? Oct 10 19:52:42 what would happen if both child & parent write at the same time? Oct 10 19:52:48 i dont think so Oct 10 19:53:12 today i started over 200 parallel downloads Oct 10 19:53:20 that was a problem Oct 10 19:53:28 it will confuse the connected user, messages appearing from nowhere Oct 10 19:53:38 the connected user will be me Oct 10 19:53:50 I need to see the 'dsp' side and 'arm' side messages Oct 10 19:54:11 but running both sides on the same processor so I can actually debug the **** thing ;) Oct 10 19:54:51 the other option is to use some other IPC method to communicate messages between the processes. I'm open to suggestions Oct 10 19:55:25 try it and see what happens ;-) Oct 10 19:55:33 true :) Oct 10 19:55:43 I was just hoping to avoid any dead ends Oct 10 19:55:46 syslog? Oct 10 19:55:46 <_Monkey> syslog is, like, apt-get install sysklogd (or use downloads.maemo.org like everyone else) Oct 10 19:56:10 i did all my debugging in maemoscrobbler daemons with syslogd (install it first of course :P ) Oct 10 19:56:21 shut up _Monkey Oct 10 19:56:29