**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 12 02:59:56 2007 Oct 12 03:00:29 Is there any chance of an rdesktop version with sound? Oct 12 03:04:06 interesting Oct 12 03:04:30 on my IT, the user account comes locked by default Oct 12 03:04:52 <|R> locked? you mean a password is set ? Oct 12 03:04:59 <|R> it's probably 12345 like all nokia codes Oct 12 03:05:18 <|R> at least, i guess, you can't destroy a sim card by entering it wrong 3 times +10 hehe Oct 12 03:05:29 account is locked as in ! Oct 12 03:05:42 newest firmware image Oct 12 03:05:48 a good move really... Oct 12 03:06:14 or is * locked. I forget Oct 12 03:07:17 OS2007he? Oct 12 03:07:17 <_Monkey> it has been said that OS2007he is on track, there is something quite ready - still with internal reviews though (and don't try to deduce any date from this because even myself fail at these exercises) :) [qgill, 18 Aug] Oct 12 03:07:24 or latest OS2006 Oct 12 03:08:34 07 Oct 12 03:08:46 38-2 Oct 12 03:08:58 I think... Oct 12 03:28:47 what's the deal with becomeroot on n800 w/OS2007 ? Oct 12 03:29:02 homepage suggests it could brick the thing Oct 12 03:29:14 really? Oct 12 03:30:40 or is that warning there just for really rare cases? Oct 12 03:33:00 <|R> i never used it Oct 12 03:33:02 <|R> i don't get it Oct 12 03:33:03 <|R> hehe Oct 12 03:33:38 <|R> ssh in, change pass, change sudo rights if necessary... Oct 12 03:34:00 <|R> i think it has to do with history... but i only have this n800 since last week :) Oct 12 03:37:25 and it works for you? Oct 12 03:38:44 looking at the webpage, I see the homepage where the install file can be downloaded, but the relevent repo when clicked doesn't get added as a repo, but just gets displated as a text file. Mime type problem I suppose Oct 12 03:39:02 I also see two distros listed Oct 12 03:39:41 not sure what each relate to Oct 12 04:12:33 <|R> hillct : which ones? Oct 12 04:12:48 <|R> hillct : but yeah, everything worked out here without gainroot or whatever Oct 12 04:12:53 <|R> i switched to red pill mode though Oct 12 04:13:01 <|R> but in the end i install everything with dpkg Oct 12 04:13:20 <|R> there is too many repository and conficts to deal with apps manger cleanly and still have fun ;) Oct 12 04:13:33 ah Oct 12 04:13:41 red pill mode huh? Oct 12 04:13:57 <|R> yep, go to application manger Oct 12 04:14:03 <|R> select add repository somewhere Oct 12 04:14:17 <|R> in the http:// ... delete that in type "matrix" and click cancel Oct 12 04:15:02 <|R> http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/redpill.html Oct 12 04:19:09 so, which build of becomroot did you end up installing? Oct 12 04:19:24 i can't seem to find the right one Oct 12 04:19:28 <|R> none ? Oct 12 04:19:39 confused Oct 12 04:19:44 <|R> dpkg -l|grep -i root | wc -l -> 0 Oct 12 04:20:10 <|R> as i said, i don't understand what this become root is... and i managed to install everything i need Oct 12 04:20:17 thought that was the whole point - to be able to gain root access from user account in xterm Oct 12 04:20:20 <|R> so maybe i missed something but it seems i don't need it Oct 12 04:20:31 <|R> well i can sudo su - Oct 12 04:20:42 hmm Oct 12 04:20:49 sudo su ? both? Oct 12 04:20:57 never seen anyone use both Oct 12 04:20:58 <|R> so i don't have to type a pass Oct 12 04:21:08 <|R> gives a root shell Oct 12 04:22:49 anyone here tried building microb-engine from source/ Oct 12 04:22:52 ? Oct 12 04:31:11 <|R> hillct: maybe gainroot bypasses the need for ssh, that must be the point? to do it locally... Oct 12 04:31:37 aparently Oct 12 04:39:04 LOL Oct 12 04:39:10 here's the trivial solution Oct 12 04:39:21 add this to /etc/sudoers Oct 12 04:39:23 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /bin/ash Oct 12 04:39:45 <|R> i did ALL ALL here since i m alone on the system Oct 12 04:39:57 oh, yeah Oct 12 04:40:05 well that'd be an important detail Oct 12 04:41:21 that's why you were able to sudo, but if you do ALL NOPASSWD, you won't need to sudo su Oct 12 04:41:43 easier to sudo ash Oct 12 04:44:07 bye Oct 12 05:11:35 i just installed the lcars theme and sounds >tres kinky! Oct 12 05:14:50 <|R> haha what's that? Oct 12 05:17:21 <|R> haha i see... trekkies ;) Oct 12 05:36:22 mornink Oct 12 05:37:15 <|R> hey :) Oct 12 05:43:44 hi Oct 12 05:45:01 |R, any news? Oct 12 05:53:55 <|R> for today? uhm, fceu was kind-of fixed on the n800 Oct 12 05:54:38 what is it? Oct 12 05:54:53 fibre-channel for european union? Oct 12 05:55:39 <|R> haha non, more like FCE Ultra... which i have no clue what it stands for Oct 12 05:55:44 <|R> but it runs NES games ;) Oct 12 05:55:53 <|R> (for the nostalgic...) Oct 12 05:56:37 ah, too bad I don't have any of those.. Oct 12 05:57:10 <|R> coolrom.com? :) Oct 12 05:58:10 mmm Oct 12 05:58:12 maybe later :-) Oct 12 05:58:16 <|R> hehe :) Oct 12 05:58:29 <|R> i was beta testing for Tak|work actually Oct 12 05:58:30 need to work a bit still. but the emu is good you say? Oct 12 05:59:02 <|R> well, if you can find a game that plays with the d-pad and only one button at a time without a need for vert fast tapping of the A/B button, yes ;) Oct 12 05:59:27 hi, on layout mode, my applet causes the device to hang if other applet was overlapped, instead of displaying the standard error message. Have you got any clue why? Oct 12 05:59:30 <|R> (Life Force for example, i'm guessing tetris and such too, and uhm... ) Oct 12 06:00:20 |R, ah, I see the problem :-) Oct 12 06:00:39 maybe one should start manufacturing console pads that would use BT and then one could use those with the device? Oct 12 06:02:00 <|R> hehe, i don't even think you can change the configuration to receive input keys by other means than tapping the screen ;) Oct 12 06:02:10 |R, or, maybe it will be easier with the new device (assuming it will have the slide-out-keyboard) Oct 12 06:02:10 <|R> but that wouldn't be too hard to change in the code i guess... Oct 12 06:02:20 assuming it's open source. Oct 12 06:02:52 <|R> let's hope, and that it doesn't deprecate the n800 Oct 12 06:03:13 of course it will :-) Oct 12 06:03:26 <|R> but i mean, not like the n770 was deprecated in term of OS support Oct 12 06:03:31 although I hope not. but what are the odds of not deprecating? Oct 12 06:03:42 * czr shrugs Oct 12 06:03:42 <|R> they said two more release after 4.0 i think... Oct 12 06:03:51 well, that makes sense Oct 12 06:03:59 <|R> yeah a bit better... Oct 12 06:04:08 <|R> i hope that by then we'll have bluetooth headset support Oct 12 06:04:27 there's still no bt headset support? Oct 12 06:04:31 <|R> all the code is there, it should work with a little integration on their part me think.. Oct 12 06:04:36 <|R> i don't think so Oct 12 06:04:51 <|R> (other than very hackish attempts, but most people don't want to recompile kernels and modules) Oct 12 06:04:56 Whats the horsepower behind the N800? Oct 12 06:04:57 indeed Oct 12 06:05:03 zodttd, two horses! Oct 12 06:05:06 <|R> haha Oct 12 06:05:13 Need three for me to port psx4all to it :( Oct 12 06:05:15 <|R> french 2CV :) Oct 12 06:05:17 although the other one is still quite young. Oct 12 06:06:03 pupnik has me interested in this gadget, and the buy.com sale is pretty nice. Oct 12 06:06:40 * |R needs to understand a bit more about gstreamer to understand where it fits in with the bluetooth headset / application interaction Oct 12 06:07:16 <|R> zodttd : it's plain evil, don't get one! i've been wasting all my week playing with it hahah ;) Oct 12 06:07:24 <|R> (it rocks ;) Oct 12 06:07:30 heh Oct 12 06:07:48 I usually dont use the gadgets I put my software on though. :( Oct 12 06:08:06 This one seems useful though Oct 12 06:08:11 <|R> see it as an underpowered but at a very good price, umpc :) Oct 12 06:08:11 zodttd, I had the same problem Oct 12 06:08:47 I despise UMPCs since they run X86 Windows software. No use for my software then. Oct 12 06:08:48 |R, umpc = "um, what can I do with this PC"? Oct 12 06:08:59 <|R> hehe Oct 12 06:09:08 zodttd, what software is that? Oct 12 06:09:08 <|R> but form factor / use -wise that is ;) Oct 12 06:09:18 * |R never ran windows as a primary OS... Oct 12 06:09:19 How underpowered? I wrote my playstation emulator for underpowered ARM based platforms. Oct 12 06:09:28 psx4gp2x Oct 12 06:10:29 zodttd, http://pastebin.com/m77232f42 Oct 12 06:10:33 if that helps any Oct 12 06:10:36 it's an OMAP Oct 12 06:10:39 The GP2X is 200MHz ARM9. When overclocked to 266MHz, it runs a handful of games at playable speeds. Oct 12 06:10:45 OMAP, ah this might be fun :) Oct 12 06:10:47 but can't recall the number by heart atm Oct 12 06:11:20 I especially like the "Some Random V6 Processor rev 2 (v61)" line in the report :-) Oct 12 06:11:51 haha Oct 12 06:11:52 yeah Oct 12 06:12:00 hold, I got it Oct 12 06:12:15 TI OMAP 2420, which is clocked at 330MHz Oct 12 06:12:24 could be Oct 12 06:12:31 the 2420 sounds right at least. Oct 12 06:12:33 That seems right Oct 12 06:12:50 and looking at the bogomips counter, the 330 might be right as well Oct 12 06:13:11 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123 Oct 12 06:13:14 yup 330MHz Oct 12 06:13:36 if you're planning to utilize the integrated dsp (ti c55x), then that's going to be hardish Oct 12 06:13:49 Nope, probably little need Oct 12 06:13:52 but there are people working on putting the vorbis stuff on the dsp, ask them how hard.. Oct 12 06:13:55 good Oct 12 06:14:15 zodttd, the UI is limited wrt key count Oct 12 06:14:20 My main concerns beyond the CPU would be the framebuffer performance Oct 12 06:14:24 so that's going to be the biggest issue Oct 12 06:14:28 Yeah thats next Oct 12 06:14:31 how to control the beast Oct 12 06:14:32 heh Oct 12 06:14:51 I assume gpSP (GBA) is on this already? Oct 12 06:15:00 * czr shrugs Oct 12 06:15:10 you better ask other folk, I'm not a gamer :-) Oct 12 06:15:20 (although I have to confess, I do have a PSP) Oct 12 06:15:21 Hrmm. If not, I can get it on there as well. Oct 12 06:15:33 I remember seeing couple of emulators at least Oct 12 06:16:09 I hear that doom runs with decent framerates Oct 12 06:16:10 Yeah, the author of it is a friend of mine. I helped get gpSP on the GP2X. Its a fairly easy port now, even with the dynarec. Oct 12 06:16:21 so I guess it's possible to get the framebuffer performance to somewhere Oct 12 06:16:22 <|R> xmame frontend to fceu is there Oct 12 06:16:32 <|R> (xmaeme) Oct 12 06:16:46 <|R> quake1 runs "well" Oct 12 06:16:47 zodttd, cool Oct 12 06:17:04 * czr wishes for opengl 2.0 on the device Oct 12 06:17:12 it would be nice.. :-) Oct 12 06:17:31 I would prefer the 1.1GHz OMAP thats out now. Supposedly its going to be in the N900. Oct 12 06:17:48 1.1? that's crazy. Oct 12 06:17:51 Yup Oct 12 06:18:07 <|R> woah Oct 12 06:18:14 <|R> how much is that thing going to cost !? Oct 12 06:18:20 I'm receiving one for development soon (the 1.1GHz OMAP SoC) Oct 12 06:18:22 USD per MGz Oct 12 06:18:30 MHz even Oct 12 06:18:39 1.1? sick Oct 12 06:18:48 |R, I guess we'll know when they tell something real about it Oct 12 06:18:53 zodttd, is the name official though? Oct 12 06:18:54 The devkit costs over $1000. But I believe the system on chip (like the Nxxx uses) is in the low hundred. Oct 12 06:19:29 I'd guess the pricing will be slightly higher than N800 launch then Oct 12 06:19:43 or maybe at the same level. maybe. not an oracle. Oct 12 06:19:47 czr: Theres a big discussion about this SoC on gp32x.com since the distributor of the GP2X handheld is making his own gaming handheld. "Rumored" to be this 1.1GHz Oct 12 06:19:51 OMAP :) Oct 12 06:20:02 cool Oct 12 06:20:18 the more the merrier Oct 12 06:20:23 as long as they run linux! Oct 12 06:20:28 When I spoke to pupnik he mentioned the N900 is going to probably be announced soon Oct 12 06:20:29 <|R> cheers to that! Oct 12 06:20:32 They are :) Oct 12 06:20:39 Its an open source handheld Oct 12 06:20:46 that's cool too Oct 12 06:21:00 * czr doesn't have time to follow all news out there. Oct 12 06:21:05 heh :) Oct 12 06:21:09 hell, I don't even follow stuff related to maemo :-) Oct 12 06:21:35 zodttd, what's the asking price for N800 on buy.com then? Oct 12 06:21:46 233 i think Oct 12 06:21:46 $230 I believe Oct 12 06:22:01 not bad Oct 12 06:22:14 * |R got ripped off last week ;) Oct 12 06:22:17 heh |R Oct 12 06:22:39 i don't think it can get better than that Oct 12 06:22:57 <|R> if it does, i'm buying another one to video chat with my gf Oct 12 06:22:59 afaik the 770 is still going for $140 Oct 12 06:23:17 <|R> 99$ at some places Oct 12 06:23:21 that's not bad either Oct 12 06:23:40 <|R> soon to be in the christmas socks of childrens as their "my first IT!" Oct 12 06:23:56 well, for a change it will be IT, not "my first TI". Oct 12 06:23:57 :-) Oct 12 06:24:03 <|R> haha Oct 12 06:24:06 lol Oct 12 06:24:10 * czr still thinks that IT is a sille name Oct 12 06:24:13 silly even. Oct 12 06:24:29 <|R> yep Oct 12 06:24:43 <|R> talking about silly things, i had to order this : http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/generic/991e/ Oct 12 06:24:55 <|R> i'm gonna be a huge dork i know, but couldn't resist :P Oct 12 06:25:04 haha Oct 12 06:25:11 do tell me how it works in real life :-) Oct 12 06:25:20 <|R> yep sure will (when/if they ship :P) Oct 12 06:25:39 <|R> oh wait it's back in stock, it wasnt this morning when i ordered Oct 12 06:25:45 <|R> so that should be soon enough :) Oct 12 06:25:55 they pulled them out of stock when they saw that you were ordering Oct 12 06:26:00 "oh no.. not HIM again!" Oct 12 06:26:03 <|R> yeah :/ Oct 12 06:26:07 <|R> everybody does that :/ Oct 12 06:26:07 <|R> haha Oct 12 06:26:15 "quickly, hide all the warez!" Oct 12 06:26:19 <|R> :P Oct 12 06:26:37 <|R> put the tinfoil on the wi-fi! he's wearing that shirt again! Oct 12 06:27:07 I'd order more from tg, but the postage and duty kills all motivation Oct 12 06:27:27 <|R> yeah, it's crazy expensive :| Oct 12 06:27:32 <|R> i don't know for the states Oct 12 06:27:37 <|R> but when shipping to montreal, ouch! Oct 12 06:27:46 <|R> almost the price of the shirt :| Oct 12 06:27:47 |R: I ordered one, too! Oct 12 06:27:52 <|R> procto : hahah :) Oct 12 06:29:11 <|R> After wardriving, war-wearing ! Oct 12 06:30:56 <|R> is anyone familiar with bluetooth tools under linux? Oct 12 06:31:10 <|R> just got a usb dongle working... i can ping the n800 but i'm lost after that ;) Oct 12 06:31:31 <|R> i was wondering how hard it is to set a presence daemon or something to activate when it sense my n800 Oct 12 06:31:43 <|R> Could be a fun thing with home automation 8) Oct 12 06:32:41 you'd come home one night, slightly tired, and from the darkness you'd hear a menacing voice "I AM THE DEMON OF PRESENCE! YOU DO NOT BELONG! YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY!". Oct 12 06:32:46 how fun would that be then? Oct 12 06:32:59 <|R> right on! best way to screw up a date! :P Oct 12 06:33:25 <|R> "but you said you weren't that much into computers!" "wait wait let me get a shell on my NIT ..." Oct 12 06:33:26 <|R> haha Oct 12 06:33:34 indeed! Oct 12 06:33:59 * |R is sorry for using bad stereotypes ;) Oct 12 06:34:14 "hmm. give me a sec with the lock, I just remembered a ran some patches against the sw just yesterday, and damn.. I wonder why it doesn't open.. " Oct 12 06:34:24 :D Oct 12 06:34:52 |R, that's ok, no one is counting! :-) Oct 12 06:34:53 <|R> "rootme! rootme! damn, that voice recognition is down!" Oct 12 06:35:01 heh Oct 12 06:35:11 "you want me to what you??" Oct 12 06:35:16 <|R> :P Oct 12 06:35:57 neh, been fun. thanks for the entertainment. -> workie workie Oct 12 06:36:11 <|R> i really hope that 32G SDHC comming out around january will be priced below 200$ Oct 12 06:36:15 * |R is dreaming Oct 12 06:36:28 <|R> czr : good day :) Oct 12 06:36:35 <|R> i'm going to bed ;) Oct 12 06:36:41 oh, I'll lurk around in the shadows Oct 12 06:36:45 64GB Oct 12 06:36:46 yeah, night. Oct 12 06:36:51 Yums Oct 12 06:36:59 <|R> GeneralAntilles : that's over SDHC specs though :) Oct 12 06:37:07 <|R> (i still don't get that limit...) Oct 12 06:37:14 2x 32GB? Oct 12 06:37:17 <|R> oh Oct 12 06:37:18 <|R> haha Oct 12 06:37:22 * |R tired Oct 12 06:37:22 ;) Oct 12 06:39:00 i think it's just to make sure they can sell newer cards/formats with latest specs Oct 12 06:39:12 licensing cost = yummy Oct 12 06:39:27 <|R> urhm.. :/ Oct 12 06:40:05 <|R> compact flash was IDE pin compatible Oct 12 06:40:06 not to mention forcing users to get new cards (as new hardware don't support old ones for form factor reasons) Oct 12 06:40:18 <|R> newer SDHC++ should be SATA3 compatible or whatever Oct 12 06:40:42 <|R> it will be hard to justify moving away from microSDHC :) Oct 12 06:40:59 <|R> (form factor wise...) Oct 12 06:41:27 they'll make newer ones triangular :P (bsg-inspiration) Oct 12 06:41:56 Is anyone on? Oct 12 06:41:57 or change the pin layout and say the new format draws less current Oct 12 06:41:58 <_Monkey> disq: that doesn't look right Oct 12 06:42:00 <|R> haha Oct 12 06:42:05 lol Oct 12 06:42:08 Wow, perfect timing Oct 12 06:42:27 Uhh, I'm trying to get into my N800's Main file system using X Terminal? Oct 12 06:42:37 <|R> Syntra : ok? Oct 12 06:42:38 Using the CD Command Oct 12 06:42:59 I wanna get to a file I have in my "N800" file Oct 12 06:43:08 I have no clue how to, to be honest Oct 12 06:43:11 <|R> cd ~user/MyDocs ? Oct 12 06:43:44 <|R> and then "ls -a" should show some hidden directories of the user's doc) Oct 12 06:43:56 Alright Oct 12 06:49:14 OK yeah that worked Oct 12 07:02:17 OK uhh... DPKG hates me apparently Oct 12 07:02:25 I'm putting in "dpkg -i openttd_0.4.7jtra-1_armel.deb" Oct 12 07:02:37 It gives me "dpkg: need an action option Oct 12 07:02:38 " Oct 12 07:02:53 Anyone have an idea as to what I should do? Oct 12 07:03:12 check your command line again, that command is valid Oct 12 07:03:19 dpkg -i packagename.deb Oct 12 07:03:48 I've checked it multiple times. Oct 12 07:04:15 I've even tried what it said, which is "dpkg -i|--install openttd_0.4.7jtra-1_armel.deb" Oct 12 07:04:37 err Oct 12 07:04:43 -i OR --install Oct 12 07:04:47 not both at the same time Oct 12 07:04:53 Ohh alright Oct 12 07:04:58 I'll try --install then Oct 12 07:05:01 are you writing the quotes as well? Oct 12 07:05:10 No Oct 12 07:05:12 good Oct 12 07:05:39 --install does the same thing Oct 12 07:06:03 * czr shrugs Oct 12 07:06:26 Someone just needs to make OpenTTD for the N800 into a .deb Oct 12 07:06:36 This one is for OS06 Oct 12 07:06:39 I have OS07 Oct 12 07:07:29 hmm could that be a privilege problem? Isn't root the only one that can run dpkg -install Oct 12 07:07:45 root Oct 12 07:07:49 have you tried to "sudo gainroot" Oct 12 07:08:03 I gained root using ssh root@localhost Oct 12 07:08:16 Syntra: something is strange Oct 12 07:08:24 try installing another package with dpkg -i Oct 12 07:08:43 I don't think I have any other packages Oct 12 07:08:50 I'm pretty much sure its just this one Oct 12 07:08:59 Thats screwing it up Oct 12 07:09:15 hi I need some applet help Oct 12 07:09:47 you can't be sure Oct 12 07:09:53 True Oct 12 07:09:58 unless you experiment and verify Oct 12 07:10:18 What would you tell me if it wasn't just that one? Oct 12 07:10:54 what kind of signal or function runs on layout mode when two applets are overlapped? Oct 12 07:19:37 OK I just tried a Different .deb file and I got the same thing. Oct 12 07:20:01 "dpkg: need an action option" Oct 12 07:25:16 Yeeah, I sadly think I might have to wait for someone to compile a OS07 compliant version of OpenTTD. Oct 12 07:32:45 Hi, I was looking for the source packages for osso-systemui-dbus-dev and libosso-abook-dev - I can't find them in the maemo3.2 repository at all. Oct 12 07:34:07 StevenK, do you have non-source package for osso-systemui-dbus-dev? Oct 12 07:34:47 No, I don't have the binary packages for it either. Oct 12 07:54:17 inz, you know whether it's possible (or sane) to use libosso rpc-functions to do a simple d-bus method call which returns an array of strings? At least osso_rpc_ret_t doesn't seem to support other than "simple types" (not arrays)? Oct 12 07:54:35 * czr is thinking of "RequestNames" in DBus Oct 12 07:57:05 osso_rpc_t even Oct 12 08:03:04 i used plain dbus for that in kagu Oct 12 08:04:05 is there a simple DBus method that is always present in the SDK that will return some simple data (non-arrays)? Oct 12 08:05:41 i used bus.get_object().methodname() for all that, though it's python and probably different Oct 12 08:06:06 yeah, unfortunately I'm restricted to C (and LibOSSO) Oct 12 08:14:26 czr, no, libosso supports nothing fancy Oct 12 08:14:42 inz, so it seems :-) Oct 12 08:14:51 czr, you should suggest everyone to use the dbus glib bindings instead of crappy libosso ;) Oct 12 08:15:00 but I'm having a problem in that I can't come up with anything useful on the SDK where I could demonstrate libosso rpc functions Oct 12 08:15:10 inz, that part is covered already. Oct 12 08:17:13 I'm getting error: "relocation error: ./program: symbol powf, version GLIBCXX_3.4 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference" What should be done to fix this? The same code worked fine when it was on a different class Oct 12 08:20:52 i saw the powf problem too Oct 12 08:36:32 you need to rename it into poof() Oct 12 08:43:41 hm? Oct 12 08:48:58 for some reason it only occurred on the device Oct 12 08:49:31 Gathaja, it was a joke. Oct 12 08:50:00 ok :) Oct 12 08:50:21 when I run into problems which I can't explain, I laugh at them. Oct 12 08:50:31 you getting the problem in scratchbox too? Oct 12 08:50:32 (no, it doesn't really help solving the problems) Oct 12 08:50:38 pupnik: yes Oct 12 08:50:57 I haven't tried on the device Oct 12 08:53:31 it's easy to laugh especially if the problem is someone elses :) Oct 12 09:02:20 Gathaja, yes, but you should hear me giggling away at my problems sometimes. Oct 12 09:02:26 * czr is a very happy person Oct 12 09:02:56 okay, thats good :) Oct 12 09:03:38 I usually start laughing when everything goes so bad there's nothing else to do but to laugh Oct 12 09:03:45 me too. Oct 12 09:07:37 what i don't understand is you not getting the error in a different class Oct 12 09:14:14 it worked fine before, but now when I moved the code to different class.. Oct 12 09:15:09 that is an interesting clue as to the source of the problem! Oct 12 09:15:37 :) Oct 12 09:20:03 anyone have any idea why my Application Manager has stopped working - launching it simply opens a blank white window (titled Application manager) that does nothing, and tapping the close X does nothing til it prompts to forcefully close it because its not responding...? Oct 12 09:24:47 good morning Oct 12 09:25:00 flip^: go to console and as root type apt-get update and see if you get errors Oct 12 09:26:21 pupnik: have done, it throws a GPG error over tableteer (which it's always done), but that's it Oct 12 09:26:34 ok then your dpkg-status is fine Oct 12 09:26:54 it was throwing a couple of other GPG errors, but i went through sources.list and commented out most of the repositories (using the same style as the app manager expects) Oct 12 09:27:25 it was working yesterday morning... and i did nothing other than close it and reopen it 10 minutes later and found it not working (and it hasn't worked since) Oct 12 09:38:00 multiple pupnik's? Oct 12 09:40:35 how normal is it for the tablet not to respond to incoming connections? Oct 12 09:41:08 like i cant ssh in, i cant ping Oct 12 09:42:23 amr, mine falls out from WPA as well sometimes. Oct 12 09:42:42 I think it has something to do with session key renegotiation at 802.11g level. Oct 12 09:42:58 once I ping outside from N800, it wakes up Oct 12 09:43:20 can i use apt-get to reinstall the application-manager? Oct 12 09:44:31 i cant actually ping it though Oct 12 09:44:36 and im using an unprotected connection Oct 12 09:44:40 just mac filtered Oct 12 09:45:54 it could very well be my router, its on its last legs Oct 12 10:09:41 ls -la Oct 12 10:09:46 heh Oct 12 10:10:02 * czr has too many hands versus brain count-problem. Oct 12 10:10:13 Good morning! Oct 12 10:10:34 hey alterego :-) Oct 12 10:10:40 Aloha Oct 12 10:10:46 just finished up a simple libdbus client Oct 12 10:10:52 Nice Oct 12 10:11:15 nothing too fancy. fire & forget method call. Oct 12 10:11:26 I'm writting tests, examples and api docs today. Oct 12 10:11:53 The tests naturally reinforce the API and make bugs quite apparant :) Oct 12 10:12:33 or you could hire some evil minded dev to write the test cases for you Oct 12 10:12:57 I don't think so :) Oct 12 10:13:12 I like doing different things. Keeps my brain from turning to complete mush ;) Oct 12 10:29:32 okay, there was easy solution to my problem. I changed float parameters to double... Oct 12 10:32:05 i didn't realize that I changed the types of the parameters Oct 12 10:33:03 Anyone know what the 'new!' method is about? Oct 12 10:34:22 Ah, must be a glib thing .. Oct 12 10:47:11 hello world Oct 12 10:48:37 Interesting .. Oct 12 10:49:45 how do i find "hacker edition"? Oct 12 10:52:07 Use the force. Oct 12 10:52:12 Oh, I meant google sorry. Oct 12 10:52:42 why can't i use downloads.maemo.org to search for it? Oct 12 10:56:16 timeless: Because it is not an application? :) Oct 12 10:56:33 i didn't go to applications.maemo.org! Oct 12 10:57:22 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ Oct 12 10:57:39 and how do i edit https://maemo.org/community/wiki/os2007on770/ ? Oct 12 10:57:42 Or even.. https://garage.maemo.org/projects/os2007on770/ Oct 12 10:57:44 If you'd have used google you would have found it by now. Oct 12 10:57:56 alterego: i'm already flashing it Oct 12 10:57:57 :P Oct 12 10:57:59 that's so not the point Oct 12 10:58:00 WOO! Oct 12 10:58:10 Sure it isn't. Oct 12 10:58:11 the point is that the correct paths don't work Oct 12 10:58:26 Yes, the maemo site is some what chaotic. Oct 12 10:58:35 timeless: File a bug? :) Oct 12 10:58:40 :) Oct 12 10:58:51 x-fade: against what? :( Oct 12 10:59:03 i actually need to file a bug against the SDK Oct 12 11:00:29 http://www.sunwarestore.com/javawear/product/freeTShirt Oct 12 11:00:34 SKU Option Available Oct 12 11:00:34 JSC-299-L 0 Oct 12 11:00:35 JSC-299-XL -19 Oct 12 11:00:42 ah, it feels like a nokia/maemo product Oct 12 11:00:45 -19 shirts Oct 12 11:41:08 for only usd 0.00! Oct 12 12:17:33 Oops :) Oct 12 13:10:24 WOO! I finally ordered myself a damn N800 Oct 12 13:10:43 Let the linux-based-love-hate-relationship begin in a week or two! Oct 12 13:10:49 =D Oct 12 13:12:16 this is such a great outfit http://www.cyberguys.com/ Oct 12 13:12:34 first item that shows up is a rollable fabric bluetooth keyboard Oct 12 13:12:52 sciboy: I just can't stand *Windows closedness. At all. Oct 12 13:13:25 Veggen, I'm fond of open source, but I don't really mind as long as it gets the job done well, linux did that for me much better than windows ever did. Oct 12 13:13:35 sciboy: trying to use it, I tend to end up quite frustrated :) Thus, most Linux and BSD things are immensely more satisfying. Oct 12 13:13:43 Let's face it: Oct 12 13:13:48 *nothing* is hassle-free. Oct 12 13:14:30 And hassles under Linux/BSD are just much more consistent experiences, something that's usually of value to learn, because you can get to the bottom of it and understand it. Oct 12 13:14:33 That aside, is development still steady on most apps? Oct 12 13:14:58 In other words, should I be proactive with my bug reports? Oct 12 13:20:16 How about the mozilla browser? =P Oct 12 13:20:46 I migrated most of my stuff to online ajax apps. Oct 12 13:21:32 OMGOSH, I'm in the IRC log! HI READERS! Oct 12 13:27:48 sciboy: bug reports can't hurt Oct 12 13:27:54 I agree with Veggen - at least the hassles in unix are consistent ;-) Oct 12 13:28:32 sometimes it feels you're dropping them into a big black hole labeled Nokia, but then in a year or two about 25% of them suddenly get fixed in a new OS release Oct 12 13:29:10 the built-in browser is based on opera, but you can find a mozilla-based engine for it (called microb) somewhere Oct 12 13:29:35 there's also minimo that wasn't fully integrated into the platform UI-wise, last time I saw Oct 12 13:29:47 how's microb's resource usage compared to opera? Oct 12 13:30:08 I'm just looking to use some google apps, although I've seen reports on how that experience has been hit and miss. Oct 12 13:30:08 mmm. I'm changing to a company where we use almost only open source, around new year. Tho, with OS X on the desktop. Oct 12 13:30:28 (but they said they'd be ok with me run other things - as long as it wasn't Windows ;) Oct 12 13:31:01 ...tho, they recently had to give up on the no-windows-policy...sales-persons demanded it. Oct 12 13:33:28 windows (sadly) makes the world go round for end-users... it's not gonna be going away any time soon Oct 12 13:33:53 flip: Oh, sure. But that doesn't mean it has to make the world go round for *every* end-user. Oct 12 13:34:07 heh, depends who your end users are Oct 12 13:34:34 90% (being honest, probably more than that) of them are windows users, tho you can always find places with other things Oct 12 13:34:49 * flip^ has windows, linux and his n800 on his desk Oct 12 13:35:22 well. I have a windows-box. That's used mainly for outlook, because company mail is Exchange. Oct 12 13:35:43 It goes under the name "the outlook machine", everything productive, I do from my Linux-box :) Oct 12 13:35:47 * flip^ has outlook for his work email, but tends to let claws-mail on his n800 do all the clever stuff Oct 12 13:35:52 (at home, I don't have or need Windows) Oct 12 13:36:50 and I'll be totally windows-free at my new job. Oct 12 13:37:02 It'll not be my job to support the desktops of the salesmen. Oct 12 13:37:14 flip^: if your end users are home consumers... Oct 12 13:37:16 (probably will end up being outsourced) Oct 12 13:37:34 Tak|work: even if not, most of the world is windows - but i realise there are plenty that aren't too ;) Oct 12 13:37:51 windows has its plus points, though most of them are matters of convenience... i like *easily* being able to reconnect to a graphical session that just runs in the background on my desktop and never breaks... even if i do have linuxy things running in it Oct 12 13:37:56 flip: Well, my strategy so far has been to ignore Windows. Oct 12 13:38:39 flip: Has worked for all my professional life (12 years) Oct 12 13:39:08 looking at my task bar at the moment though, nothing i'm doing couldn't be done on linux - except testing how web content i produce appears in IE as most of the people that will look at it will do so with IE Oct 12 13:39:27 anyone that does web design can't realistically ignore IE unless they're just being stubborn ;) Oct 12 13:40:24 and it's quite possible to be stubborn and successful... it has a greater potential of being a limitation at some point though Oct 12 13:40:30 luckily, web designers can't ignore FF anymore either Oct 12 13:40:41 flip: Well. Many people does the mistake of developing for IE, and adjusting for the others. Oct 12 13:40:55 Tak: I can very well justify ignoring IE though. ;) Oct 12 13:40:57 Tak|work: if they keep adding more bloat and problems to FF though, it'll die a death like Netscape Navigator do Oct 12 13:41:11 Veggen: I tend to develop the way I think things will work, and then adjust for both ;) Oct 12 13:41:16 If you develop for standard, you usually have pretty consistent results between FF, Opera and Safari, possibly with minor corrections. Oct 12 13:41:21 you mean like mozilla suite/seamonkey Oct 12 13:41:28 AND then you only have IE to adjust for. Oct 12 13:41:36 same is true of IE7 these days - through all its faults, its rendering is pretty decent by standards these days Oct 12 13:41:52 Do it the other way, and you'll have to adjust much more for FF, much more for Opera and much more for Safari. Oct 12 13:41:59 and then there will be another ULTRA-SLIM version of FF to take its place, which will eventually accumulate until it's a gorilla, and the cycle will continue Oct 12 13:42:22 * czr wishes for a xhtml/strict-only browser Oct 12 13:42:47 Why? Most websites don't warrant xhtml? Oct 12 13:43:02 Which reminds me. Oct 12 13:43:19 * sciboy adds some XSL tests to his todo list. Oct 12 13:43:31 sciboy, I want funny things. Oct 12 13:50:03 interesting. I can't use g_main_loop_quit from within a LibOSSO async rpc callback? Oct 12 13:51:07 Oh speaking of which, what do you recommend for jumping between public wifi access points? I swear I saw a special tool for it. Oct 12 13:59:18 club those salespeople like baby seals Oct 12 13:59:23 Hi everyone! Could anyone remind me the link to list of repositiries? Oct 12 14:00:09 pupnik_, With a sack of kittens? Oct 12 14:00:30 repositories? Oct 12 14:00:30 <_Monkey> rumour has it repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Oct 12 14:00:47 kittens? Oct 12 14:01:44 Thanx, I meant the last one withsearch! Oct 12 14:01:52 pupnik: actually, I think head of operations/computer maintenane quit his position over the decicion. Oct 12 14:01:53 .. with a sack of mcse's Oct 12 14:02:05 heh Oct 12 14:02:08 pupnik: (of allowing Windows). It'd be his responsibility. Oct 12 14:02:32 pupnik: New one is gonna do the only sane thing: Let it be someone elses problem :) (outsource it :) Oct 12 14:02:49 i had to support a windows company and for most problems people just got their computers wiped and a clean image Oct 12 14:02:55 good Oct 12 14:03:11 pupnik: this is a pretty small company. So far around 35-40 employees in total. Oct 12 14:03:24 pupnik_: that's the only sane solution (other than letting it be SEP, I guess) Oct 12 14:03:41 "What's that? Can't get your email? Here, let me ghost your drive for you..." Oct 12 14:04:15 it's also funny how some users manage to consume a vast amount of support time Oct 12 14:04:38 they're usually not dummies either Oct 12 14:04:59 just a little too 'creative' Oct 12 14:09:04 there are good reasons to instititute centralized computer/administration models :-) Oct 12 14:09:20 people in those environments don't get too creative. they don't get the chance. Oct 12 14:10:58 pupnik, I'm one of those creative individual who manages to run into the most obscure bugs. Oct 12 14:11:03 individuals* Oct 12 14:21:22 ditto Oct 12 14:22:01 though linux has been *very* hard to break in the past few years without actively attempting to muck things up Oct 12 14:26:17 The stuff I run to tends to get fixed quickly most of the time, bad bugs, small fixes. Oct 12 14:28:03 We're a pretty heavy user on a lot of enterprise-stuff. Oct 12 14:28:17 IBM Websphere, for example, we're in no way a trivial user of... Oct 12 14:28:41 you have no idea how many obscure bugs we run into on a lot of the stuff we ron. Oct 12 14:28:42 run. Oct 12 14:29:32 I'm a graphics user, I pride myself on using problem solving in my animation, unfortunately that means my techniques are usually things the programmers never prepared for. Oct 12 14:29:47 It does sort of suck. And I've wished it was open source *many* times :) Oct 12 14:30:21 When I have a really shitty day, I just think "At least this isn't as bad as Macromedia Flash" Oct 12 14:30:26 Adobe* Oct 12 14:31:26 As already mentioned, my method gets me in a whole lot of shit, and Flash takes the cake for my worst user experience. Oct 12 14:31:41 sciboy, if by flash you mean dynamite, then I agree. Oct 12 14:32:14 I'm referring to the multimedia platform from Adobe. Oct 12 14:44:51 only nice thing adobe does is type. Oct 12 14:45:11 (typography) Oct 12 14:55:46 Hello. I have a n770 internet tablet and am trying to do a few things with xterm. First, when I try to mess around with ~/.Xdefaults, no changes are made to xterm. Is there another file that need be editted? (When I say messing around, I mean changing colors, enabling transperency etc. etc.) Oct 12 14:58:47 Does the N800 come with a screen protector? Oct 12 15:00:43 Or am I going to chop up a PSP's before I start smudging the screen? Oct 12 15:01:02 <|R> it has a plastic thing over for shiping, but it's quite cheap... Oct 12 15:01:27 * |R wonders why pressing power when plugging the cable made a weird boot without a progress bar or sound and didn't mount the mmc2 card etc... Oct 12 15:04:02 that triggers self-destruct mode Oct 12 15:04:12 you have 30s to get away Oct 12 15:04:54 <|R> haha Oct 12 15:05:00 <|R> i was going to reply to your email.. Oct 12 15:05:09 <|R> we're back to black background with only save/load Oct 12 15:06:18 <|R> (and for some reason i notced to package puts doc in /usr/share/doc and /usr/share/man/man6 ... seems like docpurge doesn't catch that) Oct 12 15:06:24 <|R> not important but whatever ;) Oct 12 15:08:23 ok, willfix Oct 12 15:08:25 Hello. I have a n770 internet tablet and am trying to do a few things with xterm. First, when I try to mess around with ~/.Xdefaults, no changes are made to xterm. Is there another file that need be editted? (When I say messing around, I mean changing colors, enabling transperency etc. etc.) Oct 12 15:09:16 <|R> Sayed : what's up with menu -> settings? :) Oct 12 15:09:36 <|R> geeks have way to complicated habits ;) Oct 12 15:09:39 <|R> too Oct 12 15:09:42 <|R> hehe :) Oct 12 15:11:40 |R, what, you mean using telnet for web browsing is somehow old-fashioned? Oct 12 15:11:56 although I have to confess, it is slightly PITA on the N800. Oct 12 15:11:58 Sayed: osso-xterm uses gconf for its config, I think Oct 12 15:12:09 indeed it does. Oct 12 15:12:22 gconftool-2 -R / | grep xterm Oct 12 15:12:32 or rather pipe to more or less and try to locate the tree Oct 12 15:12:37 <|R> well are we talking about the nXXX xterm? :P Oct 12 15:12:43 then use gconftool-2 --set foo bar. stuff to change the settings Oct 12 15:12:46 * czr shrugs. Oct 12 15:12:51 osso-xterm, right? Oct 12 15:12:56 <|R> you can configure it from the menu right? :P Oct 12 15:13:07 you can change the background color Oct 12 15:13:14 <|R> hehe, doing some x11 voodoo is a bit overkill ;) Oct 12 15:13:30 oh. you can switch both Oct 12 15:13:39 I guess it depends which version we're talking about then. Oct 12 15:13:39 czr: Thanks Oct 12 15:14:02 oxxo-xterm Oct 12 15:14:05 osso-xterm* Oct 12 15:14:18 Sayed, np, I'm only a noob in supporting this stuff, so I might've been mistaken too. Oct 12 15:15:21 Heh alright Oct 12 15:15:38 <|R> just saying because i say people on internettablettalk trying to change the xterm colors through the x11-ressources files wit bla*xterm: black etc Oct 12 15:15:39 One more thing, I was JUST downloading my mail with claws-mail, and the n770 turned off, now I Can't power it on... Oct 12 15:15:50 battery dead? Oct 12 15:15:59 Nah, I put the charger in, nothing happens. Oct 12 15:16:03 take the charger out Oct 12 15:16:05 and hold down the on button Oct 12 15:16:26 holding... Oct 12 15:16:45 might be time to remove the battery and put it back on and try again Oct 12 15:16:52 Alright Oct 12 15:16:55 heh, you need to wait for it to charge enough to get the black charging screen before it will boot IME Oct 12 15:16:58 Sayed: when the battery is fully empty, you'll have to keep it plugged in in the charger for quite a while before it will power on Oct 12 15:17:00 In general, is claws-mail a bad idea on the n770? Oct 12 15:17:14 dunno, never tried it Oct 12 15:17:18 I don't think it's drained.. I haven't used it that much.. Oct 12 15:17:27 And it was 3 bars last night, was on sleep mode all night Oct 12 15:17:33 one unpleasant thing about the 770 was that it was always very hard for me to figure out how to turn it on Oct 12 15:17:48 you have to keep the power button pressed for maybe 5 seconds before it starts waking up Oct 12 15:18:07 the n800 at least shows the blue led to indicate that it's aware of you pressing the power button Oct 12 15:18:15 works for me, 5-6 sec Oct 12 15:18:26 * Tak|work never turns his off Oct 12 15:19:34 Foof Oct 12 15:19:38 Took the battery out Oct 12 15:19:40 and put it back in Oct 12 15:19:47 And now when I press power NOKIA screen shows Oct 12 15:20:26 Any of you guys browse internettabletforums ? Oct 12 15:20:39 I mean internattablettalk forums* Oct 12 15:20:44 all do Oct 12 15:21:21 not all. Oct 12 15:21:51 :) Oct 12 15:21:59 Alright, I wrote a guide on applying a minimalist mentality to internet tablets. Actually, just the first part of the guide. Nobody has responded. Is it too unpractical? www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10378 Oct 12 15:26:09 k, irssi and bitlbee Oct 12 15:26:21 Yep. Oct 12 15:26:36 * sciboy checks for Pidgin Oct 12 15:26:38 I doubt the thesis that MOST linux users strive to minimize resource usage Oct 12 15:26:47 But eventually i'll do links, screen tabs, htop, ncmpc & mpd Oct 12 15:27:03 * mgedmin once doubled his laptop's RAM just so he could use GNOME without swapping all the time Oct 12 15:27:06 I certainly don't, I don't want it to have any noticable interference with the applications I use. Oct 12 15:27:06 xchat + bitlbee works equally well Oct 12 15:27:12 plus it minimizes typing ;-) Oct 12 15:27:25 Yeah, but xchat is also a bit of a bloat. Oct 12 15:27:31 I'm just trying to keep it minimal. Oct 12 15:27:47 meh, I don't agree with the mindset that anything gui is "bloat" Oct 12 15:28:13 Well, i'm just working for experience. Oct 12 15:28:29 Compare running irssi and canola and a web browser on the n770, to running pidgin/xchat, canola and a web browser. Oct 12 15:28:31 With a quad-core bloat is harder to notice. Oct 12 15:28:39 But we're talking internet-tablets. Oct 12 15:28:46 pidgin != xchat Oct 12 15:29:00 people like different things Oct 12 15:29:06 Just saying, XChat is nice on my PC. Oct 12 15:29:07 also, you don't like resource usage, but you're running canola? Oct 12 15:29:08 * mgedmin agrees with zoran Oct 12 15:29:31 the web browser's resource usage depends A LOT on what you're (or were) doing with it Oct 12 15:30:04 it would be interesting to compare memory usage of xchat with the sum of the memory usages of osso-xterm and irssi Oct 12 15:30:18 indeed Oct 12 15:30:28 Tak|work: Well, I also made a post on the forums, to which I had no reply. www.internettablet.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10433 Oct 12 15:30:31 irssi is all around on shells Oct 12 15:30:32 Once I get my N800, I'm going to go through the first-time-firmware-upgrade jitters. Oct 12 15:30:56 You know, where you triple check you got all the right files and instructions. Oct 12 15:30:59 sciboy: if you're getting a new one, chances are it will have the latest firmware Oct 12 15:31:10 although maybe not, it if spent some time in a warehouse somewhere Oct 12 15:31:22 because a new firmware update just came out last week Oct 12 15:31:47 irc comes hard on 770, even if I like that Oct 12 15:31:49 mgedmin, I bought it from an Aussie store and I am yet to get an ETA for delivery. Oct 12 15:32:11 Can anyone reccomend a more light-weight media player for the n770 tablet that can also connect to a media server? Or rather, if I have a .deb installation file for say, ncmpc, or mpg123, how do I install it? Oct 12 15:32:31 mgedmin, Anyway, I still have to go through the process at some stage, first time flashing on battery always leaves me nervous. Oct 12 15:33:02 sciboy: it's scarier once you have actual data on the device and keep wondering whether you made the backup right :-) Oct 12 15:33:19 mgedmin, Haven't they made that easier already? Oct 12 15:33:25 but not as scary as upgrading the bios on a laptop Oct 12 15:33:38 yes, backups are very easy Oct 12 15:33:42 hi Oct 12 15:33:47 Blacksitox: Heya Oct 12 15:33:55 Anyone? Reccomendation? Oct 12 15:34:30 media player on 770? Oct 12 15:34:32 First thing that came to mind is tunnelling the binary data through your optic nerve. Oct 12 15:34:45 Which makes me realise that it's getting late and I'm becoming delirious Oct 12 15:35:00 hey sixpence Oct 12 15:35:23 Doing that would give you seizures. Oct 12 15:36:39 So nobody can reccomend a light weight media player that can connect to a local media server. Oct 12 15:37:24 I recall some text in linux journal Oct 12 15:37:36 6-8 months ago Oct 12 15:37:41 just about that Oct 12 15:37:51 no details in my brain Oct 12 15:38:01 sixpence: what is a "local media server" ? Oct 12 15:38:10 mgedmin: Like tversity for example Oct 12 15:38:17 ... ookay Oct 12 15:38:21 * mgedmin never heard of tversity Oct 12 15:38:39 Uh. Oct 12 15:38:43 Like mpd Oct 12 15:39:07 there are clients for mpd Oct 12 15:39:29 that run on a n800/770 Oct 12 15:39:30 770 should run client, media box the server? Oct 12 15:39:30 But how do I install them on the n770. Oct 12 15:39:42 zoran: Yes. Oct 12 15:39:49 Is "local media server" for viewing stuff that's on a server on your LAN? Oct 12 15:40:02 Like for example, I have many linux apps in mind that I would want, and I even have the .deb for them, but no clue how to install them. Oct 12 15:40:06 SE-Wilco2: Yes. Oct 12 15:40:09 as I said, I had LJ in my hands with text about your question Oct 12 15:40:24 SE-Wilco2: Like, playing music on a box on my network, from the n770. Oct 12 15:40:33 Or videos, or viewing questions. Oct 12 15:40:38 zoran: Any link..? Oct 12 15:40:55 6 months arased my memory Oct 12 15:40:58 *erased Oct 12 15:41:00 hm, http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ says there's currently no package for a 770 Oct 12 15:41:44 hmm. Oct 12 15:41:55 So it's not possible to instal just any .deb on the 770, even if it's CLI? Oct 12 15:42:54 sixpens, if you have a week or two, for me to find old magazine Oct 12 15:43:04 zoran: :-P Oct 12 15:43:10 ...if it's a cli armel deb for which all the deps are installed... Oct 12 15:43:41 Yeah =| Oct 12 15:43:45 So I guess i need to stick with canola. Oct 12 15:43:56 k, found something Oct 12 15:44:00 I'm jumping all over the place, still trying to figure out a text configuration file for messing with xterm's colors and whatnot. Oct 12 15:44:26 /lj/node/9175/print Oct 12 15:44:58 maybe not what you want Oct 12 15:45:26 take a look at links at the bottom Oct 12 15:46:05 Oh, about the N800, how do you switch wifi on'n'off, don't need full details just a quick idea. Oct 12 15:46:38 power button, set offline/normal mode Oct 12 15:46:40 I see "MediaStreamer" in my N800 Application manager, which sounds streamlike. Other media things too but descriptions like "media player" or "video center" don't help identify features. Oct 12 15:46:42 or tap on the globe-with-the-antenna icon Oct 12 15:47:02 Cool. =) Oct 12 15:47:48 Tak|work: Nice work, quick answer. Oct 12 15:48:06 Do you recommend getting a second battery? My usage will usually involve flipping through offline documents and images... for 6 hours or more. Oct 12 15:48:59 for me, screen is the biggest battery user, followed by wifi Oct 12 15:49:19 sixpence: just because a program is stored in a .zip doesn't mean it runs on a PC Oct 12 15:50:26 hmm an external charger with 2nd battery might be a nice christmas present Oct 12 15:50:28 But what's the chances of it lasting 6 hours with the screen on, wifi off? Oct 12 15:50:37 I think 6 hours is too close to the edge for one charge, even with no WiFi and backlight on low. If you intend to do it often, you're likely to often be near the limit of one battery so a 2nd one seems needed. Oct 12 15:50:38 depends on brightness Oct 12 15:50:41 low brightness i often get 7-9 hours Oct 12 15:51:21 K, second battery it is then, which phone do I have to pretend to have when I goto the store and the sales person has no idea what an N800 is? Oct 12 15:51:54 http://www.google.com/search?q=nokia+n770+battery Oct 12 15:51:57 BP-5l Oct 12 15:52:10 british petrolium, 5 liters. Oct 12 15:52:20 don't forget to fire it up well. Oct 12 15:52:38 They use the same battery from the 770? Oct 12 15:52:44 yes Oct 12 15:52:48 eBay search for N800 battery and charger. Anyone know if people are selling low-capacity batteries there or are those similar to stock battery? Oct 12 15:52:57 I would wait a month or two before buying a second battery Oct 12 15:53:01 see whether you really need it Oct 12 15:53:21 I use my n800 for reading e-books, mostly, and the battery is enough for about 6-7 hours of that (wifi off) Oct 12 15:53:31 never measured accurately Oct 12 15:54:24 the only helper wold be new screen technology Oct 12 15:54:29 Me actually using it actively for 6+ hours is unlikely but happens every now and then. Oct 12 15:54:31 *would Oct 12 15:54:56 Better to understand the risks from a worst case scenario. Oct 12 15:56:04 I saw on /. that someone came up with the idea of putting touchscreen on the bottom of such handheld devices. Good user interface idea; wonder if there's a USB touchpad I could fasten to my N800. Oct 12 15:58:16 <|R> Tak|work : back to previous version (negative buttons) Oct 12 15:59:17 <|R> Tak|work : though man6 is gone, /usr/share/doc/fceu is still there :) ... and i've always got this while dpkg -i: ln: /usr/share/man/man1/nes.1.gz: No such file or directory Oct 12 16:00:16 ok Oct 12 16:00:55 SE-Wilco2, http://www.patrickbaudisch.com/projects/soap/index.html Oct 12 16:01:05 Something you might find interesting. =) Oct 12 16:01:57 pupnik, your links browser diffs from googlepages.com? Oct 12 16:01:58 meh, I might be satisfied with the nonpaletted buttons for now Oct 12 16:02:13 the erratic display corruption on exit is worrisome, though Oct 12 16:03:27 no idea about googlepages zoran Oct 12 16:03:58 although I tend to believe it's an Xsp bug and not my fault, given that it's guaranteed to disable doubling (twice now!) on exit Oct 12 16:04:28 Tak|work: pipeline also had some issues disabling xsp on his quake build - might be related to that Oct 12 16:04:31 pupnik, one in applicationcatalog2006 Oct 12 16:04:54 <|R> Tak|work : mostly only happen after a sleep anyway Oct 12 16:05:10 <|R> Tak|work : if you restart it and quit (if you can see your button to do that ;) it goes away Oct 12 16:05:22 * SE-Wilco2 needs Bluetooth soap. Oct 12 16:05:26 <|R> haha Oct 12 16:06:08 zoran: that version is non-graphical and has no stylus support Oct 12 16:06:19 seems os Oct 12 16:06:32 *so Oct 12 16:06:47 cookies support? Oct 12 16:06:52 it won't be too much work to bundle in a keyboard Oct 12 16:07:23 pupnik: the function to disable the doubling is certainly being called; n800 just ignores it sometimes, apparently Oct 12 16:07:35 yes cookies Oct 12 16:07:47 console version have not Oct 12 16:07:51 *has Oct 12 16:08:09 SE-Wilco2, I love how it's pretty easy to build out of nothing spectular. Oct 12 16:08:14 spectacular* Oct 12 16:08:31 try it and let me know how it works for you zoran - Oct 12 16:09:00 not this week Oct 12 16:09:10 but k Oct 12 16:10:28 Night people. Oct 12 16:12:46 |R: I think I'm going to release vNegativeButtons Oct 12 16:14:14 deb's down to 300k with docs stripped Oct 12 16:17:16 http://notaz.gp2x.de/gpfce.php Tak|work Oct 12 16:17:32 ever look at that? Oct 12 16:19:08 sciboy: Yes, I've often used my thumb to control an optical mouse. I just need to pick up a BT mouse; does the N800 recognize BT mice? Oct 12 16:19:41 * SE-Wilco2 adjusts the spectulars on his face. Oct 12 16:20:27 mouse, keyboard... why not 12.1 lapper? Oct 12 16:20:56 lol Oct 12 16:21:04 I'm not wasting any more of my time on gp ports Oct 12 16:21:07 What's a 12.1 lapper? A BT pedometer for half-marathons? Oct 12 16:21:20 :) Oct 12 16:24:14 Ah. "Lapping, thinning and polishing of semiconductor substrates"? Oct 12 16:24:30 is there (on the web, somewhere else) any howto, what is safe to remove from the device? langs files etc Oct 12 16:24:43 lapper == notebook Oct 12 16:24:46 Closest thing to that for my N800 is the polishing I do of the touchscreen. Oct 12 16:26:37 I mean, how much space could I get removing all those files, that localize the unit? Oct 12 16:26:45 OK. I haven't noticed a maemo deletion list. Oct 12 16:27:17 I would delete ratherly a lot, but have a heart in my mouth to do so Oct 12 16:33:53 zoran: Install on flash card, so you can test deletions on flash copy? Oct 12 16:34:44 heh, after I learnt to reflash, I could survive any deletion Oct 12 16:35:02 just my hars turns gray Oct 12 16:35:08 *hair Oct 12 16:35:27 * SE-Wilco2 feeds the bunnies Oct 12 16:35:54 I presume the best way would be to hae a list of files and then point apt-get remove to it Oct 12 16:36:43 zoran: Yes, please. That way your deletion list is both repeatable and shareable. Oct 12 16:36:57 yap Oct 12 16:37:27 err. why? Oct 12 16:37:38 I have time, but no nerves to do it after long week Oct 12 16:37:52 zoran, what's the point of deleting the files? Oct 12 16:37:54 apt won't remove individual files... Oct 12 16:37:56 Can you feed apt-get remove both names of packages and names of files? Oct 12 16:38:02 770 is tight on memory Oct 12 16:38:12 use an memory card? Oct 12 16:38:16 and I do believe so Oct 12 16:38:30 I have it and all works fine with no swap on Oct 12 16:38:42 I think apt is likely to complain about deleting files which belong to other packages. Oct 12 16:38:43 but... devil never sleeps Oct 12 16:39:21 ah, you could be right Oct 12 16:39:24 Maybe the first file to delete is the apt database :-) Oct 12 16:39:45 * mgedmin wouldn't Oct 12 16:39:48 hmm, i think i need to get in touch with expansys about my 770 again. its been about a week now... Oct 12 16:39:49 I'm surprised netbsd did not taka a chance to make a port Oct 12 16:39:51 * SE-Wilco2 looks sternly at the camera and warns the kids. Oct 12 16:40:53 bunnies? Oct 12 16:42:38 I must say that I have no idea what is the purpose of a lot of binary files on 770 Oct 12 16:43:03 all those osso, hildon... Oct 12 16:43:32 they are maemo specific and nomenclature fails for my little mind Oct 12 16:43:47 you probably want to keep it if it has osso or hildon in the filename... Oct 12 16:44:01 must be Oct 12 16:44:19 but I never user mail client or rss client or... Oct 12 16:44:26 I use mutt and rawdog Oct 12 16:45:00 and I don't listen to the music on 770, so sound is off there Oct 12 16:45:31 I would liek to remove those apps and have some of the kind I like Oct 12 16:45:46 aladin around? Oct 12 16:48:23 Hmm. My N800 charger emits 890 mA at 5V = 4450W. A Windbelt 40mW... i'd need about 10,000 Windbelts on my backpack to charge my N800. Yup, that's only usable for LED lighting tasks. Oct 12 16:49:50 err? Oct 12 16:51:36 how n800 wifi behaves, when leaving home net and going along different ap's? Oct 12 16:51:49 does it try to connect them? Oct 12 16:52:21 omfg - does HildonNumberEditor really not have an event for value change? Oct 12 16:52:58 doesn't it inherit one from whatever gtk widget it subclasses? Oct 12 16:53:19 heh, it's a direct subclass of GtkContainer Oct 12 16:53:19 zoran: you get a popup dialog with a list of access points Oct 12 16:53:21 SE-Wilco2: would that not be more like 4.45W? Oct 12 16:53:22 zoran: I think you have to click to choose a new AP if you haven't connected to it before. And if screen is asleep it won't ask, so won't connect. Oct 12 16:53:23 at least, according to the api doc Oct 12 16:53:37 zoran: the n800 will never connect to an unknown network without asking you first Oct 12 16:54:06 k, I always asked that myself; I liek the way 770 does the thing Oct 12 16:54:14 well, if you save a network called say "default" or "d-link", the n800 will connect to random networks.. Oct 12 16:54:20 t_s_o: Right. mA, not A. oops. So only about 100 40mW generators needed. Oct 12 16:54:29 suihkulokki: I think it remembers the access point's MAC Oct 12 16:54:33 s/100/10/ Oct 12 16:54:33 SE-Wilco2 meant: t_s_o: Right. mA, not A. oops. So only about 10 40mW generators needed. Oct 12 16:54:44 but I haven't actually tested that assumption Oct 12 16:55:20 infobot: 4450/40 is closer to 111 than to 10 Oct 12 16:55:21 okay, mgedmin Oct 12 16:55:59 * zoran goen to feed dragons Oct 12 16:56:13 mmm, dragons Oct 12 16:56:49 * SE-Wilco2 adds a bucket of decimal points to shopping list Oct 12 16:57:23 hey, even the mythbusters gets their desimals wrong, so... Oct 12 16:58:07 Right. 111. So if I cover a cabin with 40 mW generators I might be able to charge my N800. Oct 12 17:00:02 * SE-Wilco2 hopes zoran doesn't run out of goens soon. Dragons get cranky when not fed. Good thing dragons taste like chicken. Oct 12 17:02:19 * SE-Wilco2 fetches a bowl of dragon stew. Oct 12 17:03:03 I think that's how Dinty Moore's grandpappy got started in the business. Oct 12 17:07:11 I'm using Google Earth a lot. Is maemo using X11, so I could use a remote client window? Oct 12 17:07:30 yes Oct 12 17:07:38 and no Oct 12 17:07:57 well, and yes, I suppose Oct 12 17:08:00 but I haven't figured out how Oct 12 17:08:16 there's no xauth on the device, so ssh x forwarding doesn't work very well Oct 12 17:08:32 wait... I always tried to open maemo windows on my laptop, not the other way around Oct 12 17:12:25 Hmm. "configure --without-xauth as Maemo xserver doesnt require authentication" So xserver won't try to authenticate, thus the client can't start the protocol? Or could the client trust the maemo server? Oct 12 17:21:23 hmm Oct 12 17:21:33 maemo's x server doesn't listen for TCP connections Oct 12 17:21:41 so it's safe Oct 12 17:22:06 only local processes can connect Oct 12 17:23:05 and probably if you use osso-xterm to ssh -X somewhere else, you ought to be able to start X apps and have them appear on the n800's tiny screen Oct 12 17:28:35 hahaha Scott Horton rocks Oct 12 17:38:20 OK, so ssh -X might work. I'll try it when I'm near a Linux box. Oct 12 18:02:16 Iyeeeeeeeee!!! A segmentation fault has occurred. Have a fluffy day. Oct 12 18:07:11 does the new hildon inputmethod framework mean we can hack it to send generic X input to apps? Oct 12 18:07:19 *open-sourcing of Oct 12 18:07:54 Hi guys! How to get dictionaries for white stork? Oct 12 18:08:06 what is white stork? Oct 12 18:08:17 translation app iirc Oct 12 18:08:34 A linux dictionary tool. Oct 12 18:09:44 clickoing on fceu ultra in maemo.org downloads (with a 770) gives me fceu_0.98.12-bora1.install Oct 12 18:09:47 pupnik: You mean like direct barcode scanner text as if it was typed in? That would be handy, so I'm watching for an answer too. Oct 12 18:10:26 ok, but what deb do you get? Oct 12 18:10:34 the install file references multiple repos Oct 12 18:10:47 ok Oct 12 18:11:20 you should get -6 with os2006, or -bora3 with 2007HE Oct 12 18:12:10 Install? fceu 0.98.12-7 :) Oct 12 18:12:12 good deal Oct 12 18:12:29 hmm, or -7 I guess Oct 12 18:12:31 * Tak|work scratches head Oct 12 18:14:17 heh i get segfault when i build it, but yours works Oct 12 18:15:21 huzzah! Oct 12 18:15:46 I wonder why Oct 12 18:16:31 my libglade-d xmaeme is about ready for release as well Oct 12 18:17:38 nm, it's because i'm an eediot Oct 12 18:20:28 when i builded fceu i got 885900 bytes stripped fceu bin (gregale) Oct 12 18:21:00 yours is 724220 Oct 12 18:21:19 CFLAGS = -mcpu=arm926ej-s -fomit-frame-pointer Oct 12 18:21:53 Tak|work: any further CFLAGS i should be using? -O? Oct 12 18:23:21 -OMG Oct 12 18:24:34 my build is like 4x slower Oct 12 18:24:52 sound doesn't work Oct 12 18:25:25 onscreenbuttons don't work Oct 12 18:26:53 j'accuse tak of not upping the sources he used to garage Oct 12 18:32:08 * SE-Wilco2 wonders what a non-techie would read in that sentence. Oct 12 18:32:41 aha i am getting default xscale,yscale=2 Oct 12 18:32:52 the flags I'm using are in configure.in Oct 12 18:33:16 and the configure flags are in debian/rules Oct 12 18:33:30 basically you want to run ./configure --with-xsp --with-esd Oct 12 18:33:44 and that will set your CFLAGS correctly Oct 12 18:33:54 mkay thank-ye Oct 12 18:35:16 --with-esd breaks compile, --with-xsp works Oct 12 18:35:35 breaks compile? how so? Oct 12 18:35:47 drivers/sexyal/sexyal.o: In function `CanWrite':sexyal.c:(.text+0x48): undefined reference to `SexyALI_OSS_RawCanWrite' Oct 12 18:35:57 and three more errors in SexyALI_OSS Oct 12 18:35:58 make clean all ? Oct 12 18:36:08 ah ok Oct 12 18:36:26 ty Oct 12 18:39:13 yeey works fine Oct 12 18:39:55 * Tak|work ^5 Oct 12 18:40:06 you going to do some fceu hacking? Oct 12 18:40:34 snuffling would be a better word Oct 12 18:41:45 aww :-P Oct 12 18:44:09 anybody want to test shiny new xmaeme? Oct 12 18:44:13 i built gpfce and am swapping-in .o files before linking Oct 12 18:44:45 heh - sounds like a recipe for disaster Oct 12 18:44:50 yep Oct 12 18:44:51 but hooray if it works :-) Oct 12 18:48:12 actually runs with the gpfce ncpu.o and ppu098.o Oct 12 18:49:53 any performance improvement? Oct 12 18:52:24 will get back to you on that Oct 12 18:53:05 that sounds like a "no" :-P Oct 12 18:53:30 looking for showFPS enable Oct 12 18:54:01 is it a cmdline switch? Oct 12 18:56:08 31-32 fps zelda intro Oct 12 18:56:31 34 Oct 12 18:57:25 define ShowFPS in src/video.c Oct 12 18:57:33 btw wb ssvb Oct 12 18:58:08 mmph ff fvbmb Oct 12 18:58:20 :) Oct 12 19:01:53 no no speed diff. Oct 12 19:02:52 wait started wrong file Oct 12 19:18:05 * flip^ ponders wiping his n800 Oct 12 19:30:12 * SE-Wilco2 hands flip^ some lens cleaner Oct 12 19:30:39 well, it could probably do with that kind of wipe too Oct 12 20:03:27 Is there a more leight weight media player for the n770 that can connect to a shared internet stream on the network like Canola does? Oct 12 20:03:39 light* Oct 12 20:10:37 There are a number of radio stations streaming in web windows. How does "Stream the world" emit sound? Oct 12 20:11:57 The web streaming is probably not a shared stream, but an individual IP stream. Oct 12 20:22:27 pupnik: so...is there a verdict? Oct 12 20:22:36 sixpence: have you tried glurp? Oct 12 20:24:12 only thing i found so far is that changing sound rate and buffers in drivers/esd.c has no effect on sound stuttering Oct 12 20:24:25 and integrating the 6502 asm core requires real work Oct 12 20:24:48 and no, no fps changes Oct 12 20:25:13 anyway the sound blerpyness is upstream from the sdl/esd/sexyal stuff Oct 12 20:25:44 oh yes, yes it is Oct 12 20:25:56 I could have told you not to waste your time messing with the esd driver Oct 12 20:26:06 i think you did a few months ago Oct 12 20:26:15 I spent several days doing nothing but trying to tweak params Oct 12 20:26:54 I'm convinced that the only thing that will fix the sound on 770, short of arm-asm core, is a dsp task for the sound emulation Oct 12 20:27:14 not the output driver, but the generation of the output, seems to be the real bottleneck Oct 12 20:27:26 yea Oct 12 20:28:38 it seems to take equivalent (or maybe more(!)) time to generate 1/30s of audio as to generate 1/30s of video Oct 12 20:29:09 if only our ears were as easily fooled as our eyes; we could knock the sample rate down to 30Hz ;-) Oct 12 20:30:38 hehe Oct 12 20:32:53 this is just bugging the heck out of me Oct 12 20:34:51 are you running from CLI or xmaeme? Oct 12 20:34:56 dcli Oct 12 20:34:57 cli Oct 12 20:35:21 using the -nothrottle flag? Oct 12 20:35:38 just tried with nothrottle - looked about the same actually Oct 12 20:36:14 ah - I notice a moderate increase in sound quality with -nothrottle Oct 12 20:36:27 but I suspect it's highly dependent on current tablet load, etc Oct 12 20:48:24 FlushEmulateSound in sound.c returns the primary buffer size - tweaking that changes the length of the blerps Oct 12 20:48:42 i.e. return(end) -> return(end*2) Oct 12 20:49:10 what controls the actual frequency of the sound emulation though? Oct 12 20:49:39 the rate is set in the sound driver Oct 12 20:50:37 iirc I have it hardcoded to something insanely low Oct 12 21:02:28 Tak|work: I suppose the bandwidth would allow streaming 1/30 sec of sound data on the video screen, but you'd need a camera feeding a speaker to use the data. Oct 12 21:05:08 Can you dump the sound data to a file or RAM buffer? That would let you time the data rate at that measurement point. Oct 12 21:07:35 Is the sound driver keeping the CPU, so the app can't buffer up more data until the sound driver uses it all up? Oct 12 21:07:39 bizarre - when i disable sound i get 12 fps, and with sound i get like 32 Oct 12 21:08:34 um SE-Wilco2 it's hard to answer those questions Oct 12 21:09:52 one explanation i've read online is that sdl has problems with emulators and sound Oct 12 21:10:18 and i could only paste the link, don't want to offer a poor recap of it Oct 12 21:10:36 I know. I've done some dev driver programming. I haven't looked at this code for a while, though, so I'm mentioning some interactions which might be there. Oct 12 21:14:06 newbie here can someone help me display the turn-off button in 2007he Oct 12 21:15:39 anyone??? Oct 12 21:17:00 system("shutdown -h now") ? :) Oct 12 21:17:04 <||cw> don't you just push the power button? Oct 12 21:17:06 I don't know what 2007he is. I just hold down the recessed power button on the top of my N800 for a couple of seconds to get the off selection window. Oct 12 21:20:45 yes the power button is there but I thought you can have a software button as well Oct 12 21:34:12 would anyone care to reccomend a good case for the n800? Oct 12 21:50:28 bye Oct 12 22:53:40 has anyone here used pan on the n800? Oct 12 22:54:28 i get a hang when trying to get a group list Oct 12 22:56:56 anybody feel like working on gp2x fceu -> nokia port with me? :/ Oct 12 22:57:25 * pupnik is making some headway Oct 12 23:28:04 hello Oct 12 23:29:46 greetings Oct 12 23:31:20 I just got my first tablet yesterday, just checking everything out Oct 12 23:31:41 seems to be a rather large community of educated people with these babies Oct 12 23:31:45 congratulations! Oct 12 23:32:05 I bought it thinking I was going to be able to play mp3's with it, and that would be the coolest thing about it Oct 12 23:32:10 little did I know, it runs linux Oct 12 23:34:28 does anyone here know how to move around the apps in the "start" menu, I installed like 10 things to extras without thinking Oct 12 23:34:42 now I want to move them and I don't feel like uninstalling and reinstalling 10 apps for that purpose Oct 12 23:34:44 yeah Oct 12 23:35:40 go to tools - control panel Oct 12 23:35:54 then click task navigator, then click "Organize" next to applications Oct 12 23:38:40 I do not see task navigator in control panel Oct 12 23:39:03 that couldn't be a third party app? Oct 12 23:39:18 or maybe I need to update this, I haven't updated any of the software yet Oct 12 23:40:45 hmm Oct 12 23:40:49 I can't be this nub Oct 12 23:40:53 but it's just not there Oct 12 23:42:56 mm Oct 12 23:43:09 yeah, I dunno Oct 12 23:43:10 you have what - n770 or n800 Oct 12 23:43:14 I'm on an N800 Oct 12 23:43:46 sorry i have 770 Oct 12 23:44:10 alright Oct 12 23:44:16 thanks anyway Oct 12 23:45:11 if anyone else knows the answer to this, or how I can chat with VIDEO to others users who do NOT have an n800, I would really appreciate it Oct 12 23:45:16 bobby, Tools -> Control Panel -> Navigation. Oct 12 23:46:22 `FSettings' undeclared (first use in this function) grr Oct 12 23:47:31 hi Oct 12 23:47:31 <_Monkey> what's up, Blacksitox Oct 12 23:48:28 thank you Oct 12 23:48:31 very much Oct 12 23:48:36 much easier to navigate now Oct 12 23:53:17 man, with a bluetooth keyboard and a few weeks of getting used to this thing, I think I could sell my computer Oct 12 23:53:31 the bluetooth keyboard already made it 100x times Oct 12 23:53:38 lksadlkd 100x better Oct 12 23:53:53 except when I type like an idiot Oct 12 23:56:45 anyone up for a few minutes of more new-guy stupidity? Oct 12 23:56:53 shoot Oct 12 23:57:22 well, what are some of the 'must have applications i might wanna look into? Oct 13 00:01:08 bah! had a crash Oct 13 00:01:49 Maemo Mapper Oct 13 00:01:50 <_Monkey> Maemo Mapper is geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/ Oct 13 00:01:51 Canola Oct 13 00:01:52 <_Monkey> Canola is just even more worthless with shared forlders than the mplayer frontend Oct 13 00:01:54 Haha Oct 13 00:02:03 got canola, not maemomapper.. Oct 13 00:02:13 don't really need a map app right you. Oct 13 00:02:30 Maemo Mapper is fantastic. :) Oct 13 00:02:31 i've been dicking around with mplayer, trying to find the best encode setup. :] Oct 13 00:02:54 i'm sure it rocks, but I just dont need it yaknow? Oct 13 00:03:28 1000-1250Kbps 400x240 @ 20-30fps is what works best for me Oct 13 00:03:29 Xvid Oct 13 00:03:48 videocenter seems like it'll be cool... Pan gets pretty laggy.. Oct 13 00:03:59 You install Doom? Oct 13 00:04:10 not yet.. might do that this weekend. Oct 13 00:04:19 Also, FBReader Oct 13 00:04:27 got that, yah. Oct 13 00:04:56 i've noticed my version of maemo is a coupla versions old out of the box.. Oct 13 00:05:02 Use AIM/MSN/Yahoo/etc? Oct 13 00:05:07 what would be the benefits to staying current? Oct 13 00:05:17 What version is it? Oct 13 00:05:22 i have pidgin cooking for that, and xchat, too. Oct 13 00:05:28 lemme go look. Oct 13 00:05:33 Pidgin is kinda a pain Oct 13 00:05:46 I'd recommend going with Jabber transports with the built-in Jabber client. Oct 13 00:05:52 seems better than gaim. Oct 13 00:06:04 yeah, i need to do that.. i used to use jabber on my palm. Oct 13 00:06:16 The built-in client is nicely integrated. Oct 13 00:06:19 Makes things easy. Oct 13 00:06:19 the LCARS theme is pretty slick, too. Oct 13 00:06:32 i could see how it would be better. Oct 13 00:06:42 http://tigert.1g.fi/blog-files/n800-theme/ Oct 13 00:06:48 http://www.mophile.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/plankton_theme.jpg Oct 13 00:06:52 Plankton is what I use Oct 13 00:06:53 Very nice. Oct 13 00:07:14 i would like to eventually port the old Macos8.5 theme: Graphpaper. Oct 13 00:07:43 Haha Oct 13 00:07:46 Linky? Oct 13 00:08:03 lemme find something.. I only know of it form my past, eh? Oct 13 00:08:13 Kaleidoscope theme? Oct 13 00:08:17 nope. Oct 13 00:08:20 hack out of japan Oct 13 00:08:44 Get Sketchy then. Oct 13 00:09:03 Sketchy? Oct 13 00:09:32 http://oluc.blogspot.com/2007/03/hildon-sketchy-theme.html Oct 13 00:09:40 Mac user? Oct 13 00:09:48 yeah! Oct 13 00:09:52 * esworp ducks!! Oct 13 00:10:02 hey, sketchy is pretty cool.] Oct 13 00:10:08 http://www.iospirit.com/remotebuddy/ Oct 13 00:10:19 The AJAX remote works rather nicely with the N800 and MicroB Oct 13 00:15:34 having just reflashed, can someone remind me where i can find gainroot? Oct 13 00:16:23 i think the new quake is funner than doom Oct 13 00:16:45 gainroot? Oct 13 00:16:46 <_Monkey> somebody said gainroot was a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot Oct 13 00:17:40 heh heh, found it :) Oct 13 00:20:11 is there any kind of 'tail' type applet for Home? Oct 13 00:21:54 like unix tail? Oct 13 00:22:24 yeah, but on the 'desktop' Oct 13 00:22:46 no, but feel free to port it. Oct 13 00:23:00 why would you want a gui tail? Oct 13 00:23:22 it would be more convienient to have it as a persistant applet on a smallish window. Oct 13 00:23:36 like tail -f to monitor a running log? Oct 13 00:23:40 right Oct 13 00:24:59 that could be a nice introduction to maemo development for you :) Oct 13 00:25:05 hehe. Oct 13 00:25:32 i've not really got any kind of leetness... just basic CLI navigation stuff. Oct 13 00:25:33 you can open multiple tabs in xterm though Oct 13 00:25:48 keep tail running in one.. Oct 13 00:26:19 hmm, what was that thing that ate 100% of my cpu and drained my battery overnight back when i first got my n800... some media crawler thing or something? Oct 13 00:29:37 rats.. Oct 13 00:29:38 That only happens if the user did something stupid, like create a recursive link so that it infinitely loops. Oct 13 00:29:44 * esworp hates fooling with video codecs.. Oct 13 00:29:56 bummer there wasn't One to Rule Them All. Oct 13 00:30:23 Shittier still, they all are more or less exactly the same anyways. Oct 13 00:30:58 i work part time on a military base overnight, and mplayer is going to get a workout! Oct 13 00:31:05 it was worse on my Lifedrive. Oct 13 00:31:14 i really grew to hate that thing. Oct 13 00:35:19 the more you get into video codecs the more you start to see differences Oct 13 00:35:21 like uh Oct 13 00:35:24 beer, wine and cheese Oct 13 01:01:03 I hadn't tried Quake 1 yet Oct 13 01:01:09 that's really entirely functional and awesome. Oct 13 01:01:16 Mouselook even works great with the stylus. Oct 13 01:24:27 0-0-9yu78opopo; Oct 13 01:24:44 what's everyone up to on this wonderful friday night? Oct 13 01:27:08 Trying to install MPD on my OS X machine. Oct 13 01:36:35 yeah pipeline just fixed that mouse look in the last update and i'm so impressed Oct 13 01:36:46 it's exactly like i hoped it would be Oct 13 01:37:29 i'm trying to get the ARM optimized code into FCEU Oct 13 01:38:53 Goodness, if only we had accelerated 3d. :( Oct 13 01:39:04 not for a nintendo emu Oct 13 01:39:40 No, for Quake 3. ;) Oct 13 01:50:13 ahaaa Oct 13 01:52:55 Just need an arm port of Tremulous and I'll be good to go. Oct 13 01:56:50 anyone here know a way to make this bluetooth keyboard easier to use? Oct 13 02:04:19 well Oct 13 02:04:22 that didn't come out right Oct 13 02:04:32 what I meant to say was Oct 13 02:04:42 I usually navigate my computer with my keyboard Oct 13 02:04:48 shit like alt-tab is gone Oct 13 02:10:07 anyone? Oct 13 02:10:13 everyone is out at the bars, partying, Oct 13 02:10:17 I'm here playing with my new tablet Oct 13 02:10:19 something is wrong here Oct 13 02:10:34 what alt-tab Oct 13 02:10:45 switch between applications Oct 13 02:10:53 Control panel -> Hardware Keyboard, Shortcuts tab Oct 13 02:12:17 there you can set alt tab to bring up the menu but it doesn't let you toggle between them with is Oct 13 02:12:20 with it* Oct 13 02:12:23 is that correct? Oct 13 02:12:32 Seems likely Oct 13 02:12:40 Don't have a bluetooth keyboard to test. Oct 13 02:14:40 eh, that's good enough Oct 13 02:14:46 I'll just have to get used to it Oct 13 02:15:01 I can't get used to pressing something besides alt-tab though, I've been doing that for years Oct 13 02:15:22 hmmm, now just plain tab works Oct 13 02:27:06 :se noai Oct 13 02:27:06 a:se ai Oct 13 02:27:23 anyone know how I can get aim transport running on an n800 Oct 13 02:27:53 Use Jabber. Oct 13 02:28:47 how do I get aim contacts on my jabber buddy list Oct 13 02:29:19 You'll have to use a PC to add the AIM gateway. Oct 13 02:29:20 actually, I don't even have a jabber account. Just gmail, will that work? Oct 13 02:29:30 I've got a pc in front of me Oct 13 02:29:34 Gmail doesn't have the transports for that. Oct 13 02:29:37 I searched good for aim transport Oct 13 02:30:42 You'll have to find and setup a jabber account at a jabber server with the AIM transport. Oct 13 02:30:49 It's worth it. Oct 13 02:30:58 Much better than using Pidgin. Oct 13 02:31:05 ^ very true Oct 13 02:31:08 Well, with RTCOMM beta anyways. Oct 13 02:31:20 No needing to run a separate program or anything.. it just works. Oct 13 02:31:25 hmm Oct 13 02:31:27 sounds nice Oct 13 02:31:34 can someone tell me what server they use? Oct 13 02:31:38 before I hop on one that sucks Oct 13 02:31:48 I would, but I run my own. Oct 13 02:31:50 I tried using gizmo, but that shows all my contacts as offline Oct 13 02:32:01 Gizmo uses Jabber as well. Oct 13 02:32:26 zerojay, you use the speed contacts applet? Oct 13 02:32:30 so gizmo's transports are down? Oct 13 02:32:38 I can't seem to make it not display avatars with rtcomm. Oct 13 02:32:44 GeneralAntilles: Yes. Oct 13 02:32:54 GeneralAntilles: Works fine for me. Oct 13 02:33:00 gizmo aim transport Oct 13 02:33:02 errr Oct 13 02:33:05 wrong keyboard Oct 13 02:33:07 lolsne Oct 13 02:33:09 lolsend Oct 13 02:33:24 Perhaps the version of the transport on your server doesn't support avatars. Oct 13 02:33:24 Huh Oct 13 02:33:35 I don't want the avatars Oct 13 02:33:43 It makes the applet useless Oct 13 02:33:43 Ooh. Oct 13 02:33:48 I can only fit about 4 people in there Oct 13 02:33:56 as opposed to a dozen or so Oct 13 02:34:14 Well, that's the reason why it's speed contacts. Oct 13 02:34:34 If you need more, just use Contacts. Oct 13 02:34:37 Psh Oct 13 02:34:55 Allowing it to scroll the whole list would be nice though. Oct 13 02:35:12 I just want it to work the way it had always worked since before rtcomm Oct 13 02:35:22 Avatars are pointless and stupid when you're trying to save space. Oct 13 02:35:51 12 is almost exactly the number of people on my buddy list that I want to contact "speedily". Oct 13 02:35:54 Not 4 Oct 13 02:36:35 I just put the people I talk to most in there. Oct 13 02:36:46 Good enough for me... and looks so much nicer with the avatars. Oct 13 02:36:59 The option would be nice though. Oct 13 02:37:06 File a bug. Oct 13 02:37:11 I have 5 friends, but two of them are made of duct tape Oct 13 02:37:37 Boxy Brown? http://is1.okcupid.com/users/624/422/6254236457383917365/mt1124122368.jpg Oct 13 02:38:40 Guys, i'm having a hell of a time getting my sony ericsson phone to give gprs to my n800 Oct 13 02:39:12 bobbyw: Out of curiousity, which SE phone do you have? Oct 13 02:39:17 I don't think gaim lets me click links... Oct 13 02:39:27 K700i Oct 13 02:39:35 Not a bad phone. Oct 13 02:39:50 I've got some bugs open on it still, unfortunately. Oct 13 02:40:13 It's not bad. Would be better if i could use gprs Oct 13 02:41:05 Someone posted on a comment in a blog how to fix it but their writing was horrible Oct 13 02:41:22 I'd like it more if the Chinese version of the phone wouldn't misinterpret one of our dialog boxes and start printing out solid black blocks instead. Oct 13 02:49:58 hmmmm, some guy said it worked instantly with his k700i Oct 13 02:50:05 I wonder if there is an internet setting I need to change Oct 13 02:52:19 Out of interest, any words for the Samsung SCH-A717? Oct 13 02:55:23 I think we just did some builds for it. Oct 13 02:55:32 Within the last two weeks. Oct 13 02:55:45 I don't remember there being any major issues. Oct 13 02:56:40 I believe it's a prerelease... or maybe it's available now. Oct 13 02:57:12 Hopefully it's available now. Oct 13 02:57:18 as it's sitting on my desk. ;) Oct 13 02:57:34 Okay.. well, it must be pretty newly released then. Oct 13 02:57:49 May or June I think Oct 13 02:58:21 I might be getting confused then.. or maybe Cingular is just slow as shit rolling out new phones. Oct 13 02:59:14 Our testers were getting annoyed trying to play our games on the Sony Ericsson P1. Oct 13 02:59:27 It's one of those smart phone deals with multiple characters on each key. Oct 13 02:59:39 And we use the number pad exclusively. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 13 02:59:56 2007