**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 13 02:59:56 2007 Oct 13 03:00:01 So for every choice they made, they had to press the ALT key first and then the number. Oct 13 03:00:03 Ugh. Oct 13 03:00:46 Haha Oct 13 03:00:48 That's awesome Oct 13 03:01:19 We're just going to let them press the same key but without ALT.. we'll just change the keymap to accept the letters on the keys instead of the numbers. Oct 13 03:01:19 I guess there's no way to set the mode to numbers only? Oct 13 03:01:24 Or change the keyma Oct 13 03:01:25 <_Monkey> GeneralAntilles: that doesn't look right Oct 13 03:01:27 erm, yeah. Oct 13 03:01:28 That's what they said. Oct 13 03:01:41 The problem is that the phone is in Romania. Oct 13 03:01:49 So I can't get the keymap directly. Oct 13 03:02:08 I have to attempt to explain to the Romanian testers how to get the keymap from our debug mode in the game. Oct 13 03:02:33 Language barrier much? Oct 13 03:02:41 I know it doesn't sound like a hard task, but these are the guys that send me doctored up emulator images and call them "screenshots". Oct 13 03:03:10 Most of them know english at least a little. The problem is that they just aren't very good workers. Oct 13 03:03:26 If you're a bug tester, you need to be very, very specific. Oct 13 03:03:29 And precise. Oct 13 03:03:32 Too much communism over there. Oct 13 03:04:04 I get bugs like... "Occurs: character says wrong thing Should occur: character says right thing." Oct 13 03:04:14 Well what the fuck is the wrong and right thing?!? Oct 13 03:04:40 Hahaha Oct 13 03:04:54 -1, Obvious Oct 13 03:05:07 It also doesn't help that they're something like 8 hours ahead of us, so whenever they don't understand and fuck up... well, we gotta send an e-mail and hope that when we come in tomorrow, they understood. Oct 13 03:05:41 When you have a week with a prerelease phone... well, you don't have many days to waste on that. Oct 13 03:06:38 I feel bad complaining about them because they are all genuinely good people that really want to help. Oct 13 03:06:43 They just aren't any good at it. Oct 13 03:07:08 hmmm Oct 13 03:07:12 I'm confused Oct 13 03:07:21 when I use gprs from t-mobile Oct 13 03:07:29 should I be paying 35 dollars a month or 6 Oct 13 03:07:34 to get the internet to my n Oct 13 03:07:37 n800 Oct 13 03:07:53 When it comes to data, round up, Bobby. Oct 13 03:07:59 Especially if you are in Canada. Oct 13 03:08:20 $100 for 100MB... pffffffft. Oct 13 03:11:30 wow Oct 13 03:11:38 alright, nevermind Oct 13 03:11:48 I thought my phone would pull the pages like usual Oct 13 03:11:59 AT&T = 20$/mo for "Unlimited" Oct 13 03:12:02 since I can pull any webpage/file through my phone for free Oct 13 03:19:10 there I go thinking Oct 13 03:23:07 should I buy an sdhc card or non sdhc for my n800? Oct 13 03:23:19 I read somewhere they were developing support for sdhc Oct 13 03:23:24 SDHC Oct 13 03:23:31 If you're at the latest firmware you're good to go. Oct 13 03:23:49 how do I update my firmware Oct 13 03:23:57 I haven't seen an option for that anywhere Oct 13 03:25:03 I mean, I just bought this thing yesterday Oct 13 03:25:18 http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410958 Oct 13 03:25:20 so it's brand new, does that nessicarily mean I have the newest firmware? Oct 13 03:25:28 You probably have 26-8 Oct 13 03:25:34 egh, everyone keeps giving me links in gaim, I can't figure out how to open them! Oct 13 03:25:35 which doesn't have the SDHC patch Oct 13 03:25:39 lemme type that into my desktop Oct 13 03:25:39 Haha Oct 13 03:34:02 if I do this update, I'm going to lose all my settings? Oct 13 03:34:06 and programs? Oct 13 03:34:39 it says use the backup-restore utility, that will save EVERYTHING? Oct 13 03:34:42 hmm Oct 13 03:35:12 <[31d1]> how is babby formed? Oct 13 03:35:45 how girl get pregnant? Oct 13 03:39:27 Backup restore will keep the repos and most of your system and application settings Oct 13 03:39:36 You'll have to reinstall the applications themselves, though. Oct 13 03:40:03 alright Oct 13 03:40:07 might as well get it done Oct 13 03:41:40 Firmware updates are supposedly going to get easier in the future Oct 13 03:42:17 I've been wiping and updating various IT devices since 2005, it gets tiresome after a while. <_< Oct 13 03:43:02 I guess I'm going to take the plunge. See you in six hours when I'm back operational Oct 13 03:43:11 ...is SDHC the only feature I'm getting out of this? Oct 13 03:43:22 There's are a couple other updates Oct 13 03:43:27 but SDHC is the major thing Oct 13 03:43:37 The other option is to run the risk of burned out SDHC cards, though. Oct 13 03:43:41 So it's worth it. ;) Oct 13 03:43:55 Also, setup xchat on the PC if you have any trouble. Oct 13 03:46:15 burned out sdhc? Oct 13 03:48:02 eh, whatevs. time to delete everything I've done in the past 2 days Oct 13 03:49:02 one more question Oct 13 03:49:23 are the classes in sdhc cards better or worse higher or lower Oct 13 03:49:59 eh. gotta go Oct 13 03:49:59 thx Oct 13 04:26:00 man infones is beautiful Oct 13 04:35:33 hello Oct 13 04:35:37 anyone in the house Oct 13 05:18:32 alright, after a firmware upgrade and a long time of reconfigure/reinstalling, I'm back Oct 13 05:18:36 this time, with xchat Oct 13 05:19:00 a big thank you to the dude that helped me out Oct 13 05:20:38 Sure thing. :) Oct 13 05:34:53 someone knows the channel to contact administrator of nickserv? Oct 13 05:36:38 #freenode? Oct 13 05:36:44 yep, found that Oct 13 05:36:49 or /stats p Oct 13 05:36:53 :) Oct 13 05:36:54 To find a staffer Oct 13 05:36:55 Check the MOTD. Oct 13 05:38:38 huh, somebody else owns my nick Oct 13 05:38:46 talking to admin now Oct 13 05:46:36 hm, could be interesing to know what I got as an answer for my question on #freenode Oct 13 06:01:36 Airs Oct 13 06:07:55 ? Oct 13 06:08:48 uh, typo Oct 13 06:27:06 Any progress zoran? Oct 13 06:30:25 ah, folks sait I should wait, since the nick is "private" Oct 13 06:30:29 *said Oct 13 06:31:00 like Joseph K in "process" Oct 13 06:37:13 Okey dokey, so is there an N800 emulator somewhere? Oct 13 06:38:31 I know that for development under a linux platform it isn't quite as useful, but I want to play around before my real one gets here. =P Oct 13 06:39:48 I've heard of linux arm bin player, just what you want Oct 13 06:40:04 is should be the part of sdk Oct 13 06:41:38 uh, cannot find the name Oct 13 06:42:55 xephyr. probably Oct 13 06:55:53 sciboy, it is really xephyr Oct 13 07:01:03 Cheers Oct 13 07:01:32 k Oct 13 07:15:59 * zoran goes to see if dragons still have the fire Oct 13 07:16:49 Is bora the current release? Oct 13 07:17:06 ah, 3.2, I think Oct 13 07:17:13 bora is probably 3.0 Oct 13 07:17:22 but, I don't have n800 Oct 13 07:17:26 Project: maemo 3.2 Bora SDK Oct 13 07:17:26 Version: 3.2 Oct 13 07:17:26 Baseline: Internet Tablet OS 2007 Edition 4.2007.26-8 Oct 13 07:17:26 Date: 2007-07-05 Oct 13 07:17:27 <_Monkey> 1995 Oct 13 07:17:32 cool Oct 13 07:17:36 yes Oct 13 07:17:53 yes, as I know Oct 13 07:20:35 * czr mornings Oct 13 07:25:28 Darn, too much of a pain under AMD64. Oct 13 07:25:51 it is so heavy? Oct 13 08:16:18 hi pupnik Oct 13 08:19:42 Oh hi zodttd. Oct 13 08:19:59 hi Oct 13 08:20:14 Know you from GP2X. =) Oct 13 08:20:27 hey zodttd, got yours yet? Oct 13 08:21:13 back Oct 13 08:21:37 Hehe. Oct 13 08:22:19 Anyway, thanks for all the great stuff you did on the GP2X. Oct 13 08:24:33 np :) Oct 13 08:24:43 sciboy is your username at gp32x? Oct 13 08:25:08 Yeah, don't expect to see much there though I was a consumer. Oct 13 08:25:38 heh :P Oct 13 08:26:09 I'm an artist/animator not a programmer, luckily the N800 should be much easier for me to give scripting a shot. Oct 13 08:26:13 Thanks either way though. :) Oct 13 08:26:18 Im thinking of getting a N800 too Oct 13 08:26:22 some good deals lately Oct 13 08:26:42 Mine's still on order. =) Oct 13 08:27:18 I jumped on it as soon as it became available in my area. Oct 13 08:28:25 Anything in particular about it that you want to do? Oct 13 08:30:23 I'll be using mine for reference while I work, although the fact it's got a debian derivative means I'll be getting tons more out of it. Oct 13 08:31:22 I wanted to try gpSP if nobody has yet Oct 13 08:31:27 Then depending, psx4all Oct 13 08:32:07 I'm curious how that would perform compared to the GP2X. Oct 13 08:32:18 me too actually Oct 13 08:33:08 zottd, You taken a look at the SDK with scratchbox? Oct 13 08:34:08 nope Oct 13 08:34:11 scratchbox? Oct 13 08:34:11 <_Monkey> hmmm... scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development. Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/ Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O Oct 13 08:34:19 :) Oct 13 08:35:11 Once set up with Xephyr it should let you play with the maemo environment without an actual n800 Oct 13 08:38:59 I haven't tried it, but the install looks simple enough under ia32 Oct 13 08:39:27 the sdk is mainly useful for building sw Oct 13 08:39:42 the lower level stuff you do, the more un-useful it becomes. Oct 13 08:39:57 It's a starting point. Oct 13 08:40:22 sure. and you still need to build your software in order to run on the device. Oct 13 08:40:42 zottd, there are also vmware images that contains already setup sbox+sdk. Oct 13 08:46:45 cool, I think I will have the setup ready to go easy enough Oct 13 08:47:02 But I'm not really well fit to be splurging money Oct 13 08:47:52 Yeah don't be in a hurry to do that. Oct 13 08:48:34 Normally I get hardware donated, or money from the community for my ports to pay for the hardware. It doesnt look like that will happen with this project. :P Oct 13 08:52:21 zottd, there was a developer discount when n800 launched. with emphasis on people who worked on some stuff for the 770 Oct 13 08:56:56 Morning, all Oct 13 09:00:22 morn Jaffa Oct 13 09:00:52 zottd, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4573 Oct 13 09:02:45 There's also this thread, maybe you could do some *cough* hinting, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8002 Oct 13 09:05:49 back, sorry. :P Oct 13 09:07:27 No worries. =) Oct 13 09:09:35 uhm. anyone know what's up with dbus-send when sending string:'hello world'? it seems to split the ' ' into separate arguments Oct 13 09:09:51 "? Oct 13 09:09:57 nope. Oct 13 09:10:01 doing proper quoting. Oct 13 09:10:15 I'm thinking that the argument passing in run-standalone.sh is broken Oct 13 09:10:24 \? Oct 13 09:10:35 sciboy, you have SDK running? Oct 13 09:10:49 Nope, I'll be sticking to python and web development. Oct 13 09:10:53 well it's a shell script, so argument-with-space passing is broken by principle Oct 13 09:11:05 suihkulokki, it wouldn't have to be. there are ways to do it properly. Oct 13 09:11:12 but any hints on it :-) Oct 13 09:11:20 run-standalone.sh dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.statusbar /com/nokia/statusbar com.nokia.statusbar.system_note_dialog string:Hello\ world int32:2 Oct 13 09:11:37 nothing complicated as you can see. Oct 13 09:11:49 string:'Hello\ world' Oct 13 09:11:55 sciboy, no Oct 13 09:13:37 meh. run-standalone uses $* to launch the program Oct 13 09:19:26 fixed. Oct 13 09:19:54 suihkulokki, FYI, if it's broken in _a_ script doesn't make it broken by principle (when done correctly). Oct 13 09:31:43 suihkulokki, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2114 for the fix. Oct 13 09:33:27 rite Oct 13 09:34:00 granted, with 4 different ways of doing it, no wonder it gets sometimes done incorrectly :-) Oct 13 10:37:11 I'm really looking forward to getting my N800 and joining this community. Oct 13 10:59:34 anyone here any experience with using thememaker? Oct 13 11:11:15 great, i think ive got the whitescreen Oct 13 11:11:29 restarted it after changing a canola Oct 13 11:11:39 starts up completely white Oct 13 11:11:47 now ive got a white bar on the left going up Oct 13 11:11:51 and the rest is a grey colour Oct 13 11:11:55 with other random lines going up Oct 13 11:14:52 if i press buttons on the left Oct 13 11:14:56 it looks like it responds and opens the menu Oct 13 11:14:58 just its garbled Oct 13 11:20:12 You try putting in a corrupted theme? Oct 13 11:20:44 no Oct 13 11:20:50 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/149/362764796_7772900717.jpg Oct 13 11:20:53 its similar to that Oct 13 11:21:12 I think that's hardware Oct 13 11:21:14 Uh oh, that isn't good. Oct 13 11:21:34 great Oct 13 11:21:55 is it fixable or is it a return job Oct 13 11:22:22 I think it's return. I'm not really familiar with the issue, though. Oct 13 11:22:23 If it is the WSOD then it's a return job from what I've read. Oct 13 11:22:35 Much feared. Oct 13 11:23:17 yeah, i thought things were going too well for once Oct 13 11:23:18 :| Oct 13 11:23:29 How old is it? Oct 13 11:23:30 store where i got it is closed Oct 13 11:23:34 urm, 2 months? Oct 13 11:23:35 maybe 3 Oct 13 11:23:56 Have to send it to Nokia Oct 13 11:24:01 oh christ Oct 13 11:24:06 Maybe see it back by Christmas. >_> Oct 13 11:24:10 well, ill send it to who i bought it from Oct 13 11:27:38 what even causes it Oct 13 11:29:02 Can't remember what it was, Oct 13 11:29:06 "WSOD is caused by a failure in the LCD controller chip that breaks the screen" Oct 13 11:29:12 Google brought that up. Oct 13 11:29:13 haha fantastic Oct 13 11:29:27 Don't recall exactly what was causing them to fail. Oct 13 11:29:56 oh i am a dunceboy Oct 13 11:30:31 even if i have target as /media/mmc1, a game data .deb package needs to download to rootfs Oct 13 11:30:39 so .debs are fundamentally wrong for game data Oct 13 11:30:47 Ouch Oct 13 11:31:49 Any way to have the deb for the game engine to run an installer application to put the data where it needs to be then remove itself? Oct 13 11:32:31 i don't see how Oct 13 11:33:32 Look at the msttcorefonts package in debian. Oct 13 11:34:49 pupnik: Guess it's time to build a game installer, then. ;) Oct 13 11:35:27 good advice sciboy Oct 13 11:36:18 im gutted Oct 13 11:36:24 i used my tablet daily :( Oct 13 11:36:44 Real bummer. Oct 13 11:37:42 Time to plot down for one of those tasty new N800s. ;) Oct 13 11:37:46 *erm, plop Oct 13 11:38:06 the msttcorefonts installs a bash script, then uses a postinst script to run it. the script then gets the fonts from a set of known repository urls Oct 13 11:38:08 plop and tasty in the same sentence, nice mental image. Oct 13 11:39:07 pupnik, How does it handle removal though? Oct 13 11:39:18 now, do i wait for the new tablets or get an n800 :P Oct 13 11:39:20 It's important that users have that option. Oct 13 11:39:40 it uses debian/prerm which does a rm -r on the dirs Oct 13 11:39:44 Well, if you spend ~230 now, will you have ~400 available around January? Oct 13 11:39:47 amr, The N800 has the features I want and will be supported officially for quite a while, I went for it. Oct 13 11:40:03 oh, i may go for it then Oct 13 11:40:13 the n800 is well worth getting Oct 13 11:40:22 no wsod issues are there :P Oct 13 11:40:28 I can attest to the fact that the N800 is a very worthwhile upgrade over the 770. Oct 13 11:40:36 Speed and responsiveness are lightyears ahead. Oct 13 11:41:09 btw i got a new nes emulator running, but erm... it's not fast enough on 770 Oct 13 11:41:22 if any n800 users want to try it i can share Oct 13 11:42:20 lol Oct 13 11:43:00 pupnik, Speaking of emulation, zodttd is around. Oct 13 11:43:21 yeah we talk :) Oct 13 11:44:24 lol Oct 13 11:45:22 =P I'm just a hopeless fanboy. Oct 13 11:45:47 you want to work on gpfe sciboy? Oct 13 11:46:29 more or less just needs a reworked main.c Oct 13 11:46:33 I only go as far as Python, sorry. =) Oct 13 11:47:01 do you have n800? Oct 13 11:47:19 Not yet, ordered and waiting. =) Oct 13 11:49:21 I'll be doing little apps and games but I'm not a programmer so anything real is beyond me. Oct 13 12:09:33 xlthanks for the maemo.org documentatino reorg Oct 13 12:23:43 got my n800 today, together with two hcsd cards (8gb).. works flawlessly. amazing device. Oct 13 12:26:21 'grats, dockane, no just install Quake and get to encoding some video for it. ;) Oct 13 12:26:23 *now Oct 13 12:26:50 did you try some of the mods GeneralAntilles ? Oct 13 12:26:59 Not yet. Oct 13 12:27:10 Looks at the topic and nothing in there was all that interesting. Oct 13 12:29:50 Looked* Oct 13 12:31:14 * dockane prefers the usb networking howto Oct 13 12:43:16 http://pupnik.de/\InfoNES_0.01_armel.tgz Oct 13 12:43:21 -\ Oct 13 12:48:07 InfoNES ? Oct 13 12:49:09 InfoNES is a NES emulator from japan Oct 13 12:49:26 * gla55 made a crude symbian port once Oct 13 12:50:14 i also have a tweak to fceu that i'd like a n800 user to test Oct 13 12:51:01 nice Oct 13 12:51:17 gla55: do you want to port littlejohn ? :) :) Oct 13 12:52:20 anyway let me know how bad infones stutters on n800 Oct 13 12:52:32 and i'll put a fceu binary up if you want to test that Oct 13 12:52:35 bbl Oct 13 12:53:21 pupnik: i don't have time for hobby things in a while :< Oct 13 13:05:39 dockane, Can't wait to get mine, should be a week or two. Oct 13 13:07:14 What's your favourite way to type? I'll be doing quite a bit but I'm not getting a bluetooth keyboard for it. Oct 13 13:32:02 what is binary of the editor application called coming with the n800? Oct 13 13:32:37 osso-notes? Oct 13 13:36:13 maybe maemo pad Oct 13 13:36:28 i would like to use it to edit files in /etc Oct 13 13:40:22 "ps aux" says its osso_notes Oct 13 13:42:27 arg.. osso_notes does not take any parameter :( Oct 13 14:01:45 and yes: i do not like vi Oct 13 14:02:33 * Jaffa yawns Oct 13 14:08:06 apt-get install nano, dockane Oct 13 14:10:34 vi is great Oct 13 15:16:18 what's the name of that nice little app that sits at the top, reporting cpu/memory/clock and when touched gives a little dropdown that works as an app launcher... Oct 13 15:31:01 hi Oct 13 15:31:01 <_Monkey> bonjour, Blacksitox Oct 13 15:35:49 Hi, Im trying to get n800 work with wrt-350n, but without success. Any ideas? Oct 13 15:36:34 more data? Oct 13 15:37:00 350n could be new linksys? Oct 13 15:37:06 yeah Oct 13 15:37:21 It doesn't see SSID, nor connect manually Oct 13 15:37:45 everything else works, from laptops to Nintendo DS Oct 13 15:37:55 k, you hide ssid? Oct 13 15:38:02 no Oct 13 15:38:08 not that stupid Oct 13 15:38:22 it is a good approach Oct 13 15:38:28 just a sec Oct 13 15:39:08 k, let's try again Oct 13 15:39:14 what is the protocol? Oct 13 15:40:12 N, but it works backwards compatible Oct 13 15:40:25 DS, witch works with B, works Oct 13 15:40:47 and powerbooks, witch uses G, works too flawless Oct 13 15:41:02 k, take g as your protocol Oct 13 15:41:18 on my 54gl I chose just g Oct 13 15:41:29 what encryption Oct 13 15:41:47 It doesn't allow it to be changed. Oct 13 15:41:59 mixed (b,g,n) or disabled Oct 13 15:42:00 hm ,mast be Oct 13 15:42:04 *must Oct 13 15:42:34 some arrow down with options b, g, bg, something only... Oct 13 15:42:38 and currently without encryption, but I have tested with everything Oct 13 15:42:52 it works fine as wpa2 aes Oct 13 15:43:14 I have it and works fine with laptop and 770 Oct 13 15:43:21 osso-statusbar-cpu? Oct 13 15:43:22 <_Monkey> osso-statusbar-cpu is at http://www.maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoStatusbarCpu Oct 13 15:43:24 cpu-load-applet? Oct 13 15:43:38 I would assume too that it would allow me to change protocol, but it dont Oct 13 15:43:55 I just cannot believe Oct 13 15:44:07 lemme find the manual Oct 13 15:44:37 my cisco-sertified friend tried to get n800 to work with it, but gave up after he even got his N-series phone to work Oct 13 15:45:01 how did you turn off encryption? Oct 13 15:45:18 the same way, arrow let you choose the protocol Oct 13 15:45:26 runs with CCMP here fine (although the device shows WPA, but..) Oct 13 15:45:33 wireless security -> security mode: disabled Oct 13 15:45:35 (different AP though) Oct 13 15:45:53 k, have a screen about b,g, or similar? Oct 13 15:46:05 no Oct 13 15:46:15 must to Oct 13 15:46:15 Network Mode: mixed or disabled Oct 13 15:46:21 ah! Oct 13 15:46:31 "If you have Wireless-N, Wireless-G and 802.11b devices in your network, then keep the default setting, Mixed. If you want to disable wireless networking, select Disabled." Oct 13 15:46:36 "Network mode: disabled". how logical is that :-) Oct 13 15:47:02 k, IsoTeemu, I do believe you Oct 13 15:47:11 just cannot believe linksys Oct 13 15:47:11 and n800 gets really confused about neighborhood networks when 350 is powered Oct 13 15:47:26 could you changethe channel? Oct 13 15:47:50 i can, but it didn't help Oct 13 15:48:09 looking for pdf manual Oct 13 15:48:43 he-he, no 350n on linksys site Oct 13 15:50:01 uh, javascript Oct 13 15:50:09 those guys are unbelievable Oct 13 15:50:12 hmm, when I rebooted 350, n800 did find it for a sec Oct 13 15:50:42 probably no linux version? Oct 13 15:50:50 it is Oct 13 15:51:01 or older (US) versions were Oct 13 15:51:03 works now? Oct 13 15:51:20 no, after it was booted it was lost Oct 13 15:51:38 how big is manual pdf? Oct 13 15:52:11 dont know Oct 13 15:52:20 have a cd? Oct 13 15:52:25 _had_ Oct 13 15:52:33 :) Oct 13 15:52:59 k, I stoped to downlaod it Oct 13 15:53:45 they even don't give a file size Oct 13 15:53:48 but it was pretty much useless Oct 13 15:54:59 with my 770 I done it in a sec Oct 13 15:55:19 opened new conn from general screen Oct 13 15:55:34 u know, memory, apps, sound ... Oct 13 15:55:40 yeah yeah Oct 13 15:55:49 it is something like conn manager or else Oct 13 15:55:52 then new conn Oct 13 15:56:01 this is only wifi it (n800) has failed to connect Oct 13 15:56:16 k, try again Oct 13 15:56:18 new conn Oct 13 15:56:33 then choose what is has Oct 13 15:56:39 encrypted, I think Oct 13 15:57:27 sec, i need to reboot 350 Oct 13 15:57:32 I had option as I hide ssid Oct 13 15:57:37 t ocould remove it Oct 13 15:57:42 You* Oct 13 16:00:41 news? Oct 13 16:01:06 "network connection error" Oct 13 16:02:20 could you find b or g option elsewhere? Oct 13 16:02:47 no, there is't Oct 13 16:02:50 it is good you tell about this router Oct 13 16:03:02 I had some distant idea to have it Oct 13 16:04:15 I'll put my 0.2€ for problem being in n800 Oct 13 16:05:22 don;t give up so fast Oct 13 16:05:40 could you connect _any_ ap? Oct 13 16:06:02 friends or neighbor's? Oct 13 16:06:30 I can Oct 13 16:06:38 and I have Oct 13 16:06:47 let's that be the first step :) Oct 13 16:07:02 Any way of playing Windows Media streaming audio? Oct 13 16:07:04 it connected! Oct 13 16:07:15 \o/ Oct 13 16:07:51 but it's still totally confused about networks Oct 13 16:07:53 do you see it on 350n? Oct 13 16:08:08 have you let it connect to 350n???? Oct 13 16:08:15 mac address? Oct 13 16:08:37 00:19:4F:9E:A8:83 Oct 13 16:09:06 no, add it to your "let in" spool Oct 13 16:09:28 it connected and net worked Oct 13 16:09:38 I chose to filter addresses and had to add laptop and 770 Oct 13 16:09:49 I'll test if it can do it again Oct 13 16:10:15 change the channel to 1, 11 or 6 Oct 13 16:10:16 <_Monkey> zoran: that doesn't look right Oct 13 16:10:47 it works, after putting SSID hidden Oct 13 16:10:56 \o/ Oct 13 16:10:58 strange... Oct 13 16:11:10 you hide ssid! Oct 13 16:13:38 shame, now I cant annoy my neighbours with it Oct 13 16:14:05 you could set music loud Oct 13 16:14:52 too obvious. Only young person in whole building Oct 13 16:16:03 well, life would be boring if everything would be perfect Oct 13 16:16:06 thaks, zoran Oct 13 16:16:17 :) Oct 13 16:16:28 if no probs, no fun Oct 13 16:26:06 ah, thereis dd-wrt for 350n! Oct 13 16:28:43 my wlan doesn't even make it from one end of the house to the other Oct 13 16:28:55 what router? Oct 13 16:28:55 <_Monkey> router is at .1 Oct 13 16:29:05 I liek _Monkey Oct 13 16:29:14 hm? Oct 13 16:29:19 it the german government's restriction of AP's to 100mw Oct 13 16:30:12 what is a distance you could have? Oct 13 16:30:14 so even a small business i worked for couldn't cover their building with one ap Oct 13 16:30:37 in meters? Oct 13 16:30:38 brick/concrete walls are hard to penetrate Oct 13 16:31:09 i get about 10-15 meters through these walls Oct 13 16:31:21 more like 10 Oct 13 16:31:30 what dist you need? Oct 13 16:31:59 no need. it's just annoying Oct 13 16:32:05 :) Oct 13 16:32:10 linksys? Oct 13 16:32:24 it's a netgear 108mb/s something or other Oct 13 16:32:47 I had issue with asus wifi card on my freebsd laptop Oct 13 16:33:12 after changing it to atheros based one, all probs have left Oct 13 16:33:31 and this wrt54gl works like a charm Oct 13 16:33:58 some netgear stuff is said to be strange Oct 13 16:34:04 not for all Oct 13 16:34:10 just for posters Oct 13 16:35:40 k, fabric firmware could be tuned to follow local rules Oct 13 16:36:33 there are linux based that make it reachable from 2-3 fold distance Oct 13 16:36:56 yes Oct 13 16:37:32 if I recall, those version let user change the signal strenght Oct 13 16:37:53 changing the channel is one of things user should do Oct 13 16:38:03 it is better to be on 1, 6 and 11 Oct 13 16:38:15 the signal is stronger there Oct 13 16:40:15 wgt624? Oct 13 16:41:15 interesting, i'll experiment with channels Oct 13 16:41:39 the channels intersept, except on those locations Oct 13 16:41:47 in europe Oct 13 16:44:53 How can I stream Windows Media audio on my 770? Oct 13 16:47:51 perhaps with uPnP Oct 13 16:48:05 there's no vlc or something for the 770? Oct 13 16:48:53 mplayer can play streams, i'm sure many other media players can Oct 13 16:48:59 canola, ukmp, kagu Oct 13 16:49:11 and the buildin audio player Oct 13 16:49:21 built-in can only play MP3 streams Oct 13 16:49:23 not windows media Oct 13 16:50:11 good! Oct 13 16:50:13 hi Oct 13 16:50:14 <_Monkey> que tal, Andy80 Oct 13 16:50:29 i don't do windows. good luck Oct 13 16:50:38 anyone of you remember the URL of that project to speed up the mmc on n770? Oct 13 16:50:56 search fanoush mmcplus Oct 13 16:51:08 or 52mhz Oct 13 16:53:30 found: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ Oct 13 16:53:30 :) Oct 13 16:53:37 anyone of you has tested that patch? Oct 13 16:55:41 fanoush did :) Oct 13 16:58:28 * zoran goes to see if dragons still have the fire Oct 13 16:58:33 no... I mean: is anyone of you using it? Oct 13 17:02:42 not atm - i am testing with low performance to get a baseline Oct 13 17:03:22 i have heard it's many tiems faster Oct 13 17:06:51 hey guys. i have an interesting dilemma. when i am using google talk / aim transport, and the icon is online and available in the sysem tray, i don't get ims unless i open a chat window first Oct 13 17:08:29 the procedure to install the new kernel is the same to install a new firmware, described here: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux ? Oct 13 17:14:38 I've followed the procedure and this is the output: http://pastebin.ca/735454 Oct 13 17:15:06 nevermind. i was siged on somewhere else Oct 13 17:15:09 then I've powered on the n770 and checked in a terminal the uname -a output Oct 13 17:15:27 but it doesn't look like a new kernel.... Oct 13 17:15:30 what's wrong? Oct 13 17:26:07 do you want to just load that kernel or flash it permanently? Oct 13 17:27:21 just load and boot it to test (like he suggest to do) Oct 13 17:27:25 then I want to flash it Oct 13 17:29:29 right, I actually have the same problem.. I'm not sure how to just load a kernel image :-/ Oct 13 17:33:47 hi Oct 13 17:33:58 hi Oct 13 17:38:04 :-\ Oct 13 17:38:08 I'm tempted to buy an iPod Touch Oct 13 17:38:26 u fool Oct 13 17:38:44 kick ban kick ban! Oct 13 17:38:53 lol Oct 13 17:38:55 i know, i know Oct 13 17:40:15 i don't use my n800 much though Oct 13 17:40:26 really I just use it in class when I don't feel like using my macbook Oct 13 18:44:26 frade, ping Oct 13 18:44:49 hi xan Oct 13 18:45:20 frade, not registered, so can't do /msg :p Oct 13 18:45:44 frade, go to irc.gnome.org? Oct 13 18:45:59 NickServ- You have already identified Oct 13 18:46:20 xan, ok Oct 13 18:46:36 no, I mean I am not registered Oct 13 18:58:12 Anyone tried Sardine (on the device) lately? Oct 13 18:58:37 I haven't managed a succesful Sardine upgrade in weeks Oct 13 18:58:58 Either I'm doing something wrong, or it's been abandoned... Oct 13 19:56:11 yo., quick question: Oct 13 19:56:48 has anyone had any hands on with that bluetooth laser keyboard? Oct 13 19:57:48 hi Oct 13 19:57:49 <_Monkey> what's up, user__ Oct 13 19:58:24 not hands on but i heard it sucks Oct 13 19:58:27 yes someone here used it and said it works Oct 13 19:59:47 yeah, it seems like a nifty doodad. but if it seems too good to be true... Oct 13 20:00:04 esworp: yeah, apparently it works but no tactile feedback and your fingers banging away on a hard surface for extended periods is somewhat unpleasant Oct 13 20:01:03 esworp: the upshot is yes it works, but read some reviews before going ahead - most are average at best Oct 13 20:01:08 i used to use a fabric keyboard with my palm; it was doable- it wasnt BT though Oct 13 20:01:23 just get a folding bluetooth keyboard Oct 13 20:02:09 i probably will. just curious, yaknow? Oct 13 20:02:22 yeah Oct 13 20:02:34 it's overpriced, and from what I hear, it doesn't work good enough to pay that much for it Oct 13 20:03:22 word. the cost is the main suck-factor. Oct 13 20:03:24 if it was 50 and sucked, or 120 and worked reall well, I'dsay yes, but from what I hear about it, it's not worth it Oct 13 20:03:56 I came home with my first n800 two days ago, and my room mate happened to have a mac bluetoooth keyboard she bought for her macmini, that doesn't have bluetooth Oct 13 20:04:00 so that's what I'm typing on right now Oct 13 20:05:02 bobby - is that the new thin aluminium kb? Oct 13 20:05:07 i was mulling over the full size vs. folding dilemma Oct 13 20:05:55 I say get a full size dell for 20 on ebay, or if you've got the 50-60 get a folding Oct 13 20:06:50 thanks again for the intel, folks; i'm out Oct 13 20:06:52 my stowaway was $120 Oct 13 20:06:54 cu Oct 13 20:06:58 bobby - this one? http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?nplm=MB167LL/A Oct 13 20:07:32 (just interested to know what the feel is like, and the extent of key travel) Oct 13 20:08:02 pupnikafk: your name is a lie Oct 13 20:08:13 oopp Oct 13 20:08:15 :) Oct 13 20:09:06 no Oct 13 20:09:07 not that one Oct 13 20:09:11 that's the new one I think Oct 13 20:09:11 k Oct 13 20:09:14 this is the older one Oct 13 20:09:23 clear plastic back, all white from Oct 13 20:09:24 front Oct 13 21:01:38 hmm. any hints on how to get python-gtk into the sdk without too much resistance? (that and python-dbus-bindings too) Oct 13 21:01:42 (bora) Oct 13 21:02:40 |R: what codecs can the RTComm sip client use? I'm having transcoding issues connecting to my CW box (like asterisk). What peer config are you using? Oct 13 21:03:58 czr, add the extras repository to sources.list Oct 13 21:04:55 lmoura, just bora/extras? no python-gtk there though Oct 13 21:05:09 or it's at some other url than the normal repos? Oct 13 21:05:57 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free Oct 13 21:07:19 hmm. thanks Oct 13 21:07:32 there's no gtk for 2.3 though :-) Oct 13 21:07:45 czr, python2.5-gtk Oct 13 21:07:51 yes I know, but.. Oct 13 21:08:06 I'd rather not mess up with the SDK too much so that I don't get hidden deps when going to the device Oct 13 21:08:53 in the sdk, python2.5 keeps the original python intact Oct 13 21:09:05 ah. great. Oct 13 21:09:14 I'll test it out. trying to get dbus inspector to run Oct 13 21:09:49 czr, it'll require some work. dbus binding's are 0.71 Oct 13 21:10:31 (dbus itself is 0.61 in bora) Oct 13 21:10:37 ah Oct 13 21:10:47 I see where you're going with that then. Oct 13 21:11:55 meh: dbus-inspector:34: GtkWarning: Mixing deprecated and non-deprecated GtkToolbar API is not allowed Oct 13 21:12:07 doesn't start very well. STOCK_INFO is missing too. Oct 13 21:12:21 * czr doesn't know what to fix first.. Oct 13 21:15:06 maybe I'll just ignore the problem and it will go away :-) Oct 13 21:25:36 * pupnik ponders laziness Oct 13 22:01:32 * pupnik drives a remote-control car around the room Oct 13 22:22:44 uktube? Oct 13 22:22:45 <_Monkey> i think uktube is what I'm missing mainly right now Oct 13 22:22:56 ... thnks monkey. Oct 13 22:24:26 i need to flash to the a more recent version of maemo.. Oct 13 22:25:31 i know i'll loose anything on the non-sd memory. My question is, will the backup program backup /everything/? aka gpe calendar dates, my contact list? Oct 13 22:34:49 Depends on if they followed convention and put stuff in the right places. Oct 13 22:34:57 I'd back it up manually just in case. Oct 13 22:37:00 using rsync and push/pull? Oct 13 23:02:42 fyi: from what I see, the n800's backup tool backs up the user's .gpe directory. Oct 13 23:02:49 * esworp crosses his fingers. Oct 13 23:03:03 ok.. time to tackle this here reflashing nonsense. Oct 13 23:12:09 i need to install a package that depends on pkg-config. how can i install it? Oct 13 23:13:17 anyone can help me? Oct 13 23:18:36 the package i am talking is libebook-dev Oct 13 23:20:11 apt-get install pkg-config in scratchbox Oct 13 23:23:46 i need to install directly in N800 Oct 13 23:25:16 why do you want a -dev package on the device? Oct 13 23:25:34 pupnik, do you know in what repository pkg-config is available? Oct 13 23:25:42 repositories? Oct 13 23:25:43 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Oct 13 23:27:05 i am testing my application directly ion N800, without using scratchbox Oct 13 23:27:49 search link above Oct 13 23:28:25 -dev packages are for development, so is pkg-config Oct 14 00:04:22 hey pupnik. Oct 14 00:04:34 do you suppose it would be at all practical to run common lisp on a 770? Oct 14 00:05:16 sure Oct 14 00:05:26 any chance you could compile it? Oct 14 00:05:59 * jpt9 just discovered the book _practical common lisp_. it's great. it teaches lisp much more as a programming language rather than the usual math-ish stuff most books do. Oct 14 00:06:13 not that I have any problem with math, but it's a programming language. Oct 14 00:06:20 i only learned some scheme back in college Oct 14 00:06:26 ah. Oct 14 00:07:04 clisp wants gcc-4.1 and i only have 3.4 Oct 14 00:07:31 i'll try removing the requirement Oct 14 00:08:03 okay. Oct 14 00:08:12 is it in the repos already? Oct 14 00:08:14 repositories? Oct 14 00:08:15 <_Monkey> well, repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Oct 14 00:08:30 if i have a virtual ubuntu box (qemu), how hard would it be to set up a cross-compiling environment thingy? Oct 14 00:08:58 pretty much just follow the recipe - i screwed up a bunch so it took me a couple of days Oct 14 00:09:13 sorry it won't compile here Oct 14 00:09:32 sucky :-( Oct 14 00:18:58 confirmed trivial fact: Oct 14 00:19:36 gpe pim info /is/ backed up when usiing the built in backup/restore app Oct 14 00:20:09 bummer: themes like nuvo don't seem to work Oct 14 00:21:36 a corrupt theme can break a system Oct 14 00:21:59 what *can't* break a system? Oct 14 00:22:05 so that has positive sides Oct 14 00:22:07 how badly? Oct 14 00:22:21 not being able to see any menus or dialogues Oct 14 00:22:50 so it's a different category from application preferences Oct 14 00:23:12 imagine the entire screen white on white Oct 14 00:23:15 i noticed after bieng told the theme was corrupt, the default theme's scrollbars were wonky till after a reboot Oct 14 00:23:18 with hints of white :) Oct 14 00:23:40 heh timeless you've seen it too eh :) Oct 14 00:23:55 no, but i can imagine it ... did someone manage that? Oct 14 00:24:01 i did Oct 14 00:24:56 nice Oct 14 00:25:05 so i guess stuff made with thememaker are a no go with the latest firmware for now Oct 14 00:26:01 what's the latest firmware? Oct 14 00:26:20 last i checked the latest firmware was something like *one* change in kernel from the previous firmware Oct 14 00:27:06 * timeless doesn't think they even included a fix to let file manager fix mmc's Oct 14 00:27:32 i just installed the most recent one after whatever was on it after i bought it. Oct 14 00:28:01 Mine came with the latest. Oct 14 00:28:10 Though I've flashed it several times. Oct 14 00:28:12 which is what? Oct 14 00:28:45 At the time 4.2007.26-8 Oct 14 00:29:01 There has been one release since that,. Oct 14 00:29:18 Which fixes the SD corruption errors. Oct 14 00:29:31 With some SDHC cards. Oct 14 00:29:38 * Esworp is so lame that he doesn't know anyone who can use the vidchat app with : ( Oct 14 00:29:52 There's other stuff too, I think they've made it go a little faster. Oct 14 00:32:16 i wonder why the maemo site spazzes out when you request this page http://maemo.org/community/wiki/n900developerdeviceprogram/ Oct 14 00:32:34 yet other invalid pages such as http://maemo.org/community/wiki/n801developerdeviceprogram/ Oct 14 00:32:42 go to the correct "not found" page Oct 14 00:32:45 most odd. Oct 14 00:34:24 note that the first URL (which behaves oddly) is for the "N900" (made up name for the device going through FCC right now...) Oct 14 00:36:04 rats, now the n900 page goes to notfound instead of failing on localhost... Oct 14 00:37:13 Well, 770, 800, 9XX :) Oct 14 00:37:29 Though, 770 wasn't N series. Oct 14 00:37:55 I don't think Nokia knew what to do with the 770! Oct 14 00:38:26 i wonder what people we owe the 770 to Oct 14 00:38:52 er, i wonder whom it is to which we owe the 770 Oct 14 00:39:12 bah Oct 14 00:39:24 ;) Oct 14 00:43:18 i have to imagine someone at nokia saw this new 800x480 screen and said.. whoah! lets make a browsery thing with an arm cpu and linux, then took out his sword and battled the idea through the boardrooms Oct 14 00:44:33 I think the official story goes some important people at Nokia asked a few guys in a basement somewhere to show them what they could do with Linux. Oct 14 00:44:39 Maemo and the 770 were born. Oct 14 00:45:45 ah Oct 14 00:48:19 something is up with my browser... trying to download a .deb file results it no option to 'open' and a looping download progress indicator Oct 14 00:48:48 df Oct 14 00:53:27 anyone here have an n800 and a bluetooth device? Oct 14 00:53:34 bug 220 wants someone to check Oct 14 00:53:35 <_Monkey> Bug 220 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=220 Oct 14 01:02:22 so annoying when bug reporters disappear from the face of the earth - i'd be tempted to close the bug through lack of interest. :) (unfortunately I don't have a BT dongle, or even a Mac...) Oct 14 01:02:52 better to just get into the habbit of treating bugs as drive by reports Oct 14 01:03:04 * timeless sighs Oct 14 01:03:36 personally what i hate more is this very annoying spammer who spammed most 2007 bugs w/ a, ITOS2007HE-garage keyword and corrupted their url fields Oct 14 01:03:47 although the delays between bug opening and request for additional info don't exactly help... Oct 14 01:03:50 * timeless wonders if the spammer got permission to log in again Oct 14 01:04:09 timeless: aha... speak to mr gil about that :) Oct 14 01:04:25 timeless: word is, he is/was legit Oct 14 01:04:27 i yanked the user's login account on vacation Oct 14 01:04:31 haha Oct 14 01:04:42 failure to respond to a direct threat and continued to abuse bugzilla Oct 14 01:04:51 sorry, doing that will lose your login Oct 14 01:06:40 he did appear to be adding OS2007HE keywords somewhat blindly :( Oct 14 01:07:27 bug 269 is depressing Oct 14 01:07:28 <_Monkey> Bug 269 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269 Oct 14 01:07:40 i don't mind the keyword Oct 14 01:07:45 i object to corrupting the url field Oct 14 01:07:49 which is not a freeform field Oct 14 01:07:57 and i object to grand theft bug Oct 14 01:08:00 which is what he did Oct 14 01:08:24 oh great, my browser crashed Oct 14 01:09:31 wassup with 296 which is a dupe of 268? i added a comment to 268... (#5) :) Oct 14 01:09:57 269 is a bit vague, i grant you - and perhaps even unreasonable/unrealistic Oct 14 01:10:28 but neither have anything to do with OS 2007HE :) Oct 14 01:12:15 repositories? Oct 14 01:12:15 <_Monkey> repositories is http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Oct 14 01:26:30 did i pick the wrong bug? Oct 14 01:27:22 comment 1 said Oct 14 01:27:22 Gah, sorry for duplicating bug #268 by accident. Oct 14 01:27:22 <_Monkey> Bug 268 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268 Oct 14 01:28:40 * timeless frowns Oct 14 01:28:56 someone should comment in 268 re c5 that you can turn off key clicks Oct 14 01:32:51 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=320#c4 Oct 14 01:33:00 wanna fork that bug? Oct 14 01:41:58 * timeless tries to remember where bt keyboard bugs go... Oct 14 02:22:18 can someone check bug 487? Oct 14 02:22:19 <_Monkey> Bug 487 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487 Oct 14 02:30:12 timeless: I can look Oct 14 02:30:54 timeless: I don't have audio on this box for me to test in scratchbox ): sorry Oct 14 02:31:27 no audio?? Oct 14 02:39:07 timeless: none **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 14 02:59:56 2007