**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 16 02:59:57 2007 Oct 16 03:00:04 And if I try something else: "write: Bad file descriptor" Oct 16 03:01:26 there is only one solution Oct 16 03:01:29 BOMB IRAN Oct 16 03:01:32 pardon me Oct 16 03:02:00 anyone? Oct 16 03:02:42 Yeah, clear the cache. Oct 16 03:02:48 look up apt cache on google Oct 16 03:04:11 not helping Oct 16 03:04:46 oh wait Oct 16 03:04:50 it might Oct 16 03:04:52 okay working now Oct 16 03:04:53 GeneralAntilles: Thanks. Oct 16 03:05:22 GeneralAntilles: (Really. This was *totally* pissing me off.) Oct 16 03:05:26 Oh wait. Oct 16 03:05:31 Now I can't refresh the app list. Oct 16 03:06:04 ok Oct 16 03:06:31 so i'm going to ask again...becuase last time i couldn't figure out how to modify mime types.. Oct 16 03:07:10 i want to make mplayer open default for video links i click on the web browser Oct 16 03:07:19 Ah, I needed to recreate /var/cache/apt/archives/partial. Oct 16 03:07:37 anyone know how i can go about making this happen. Oct 16 03:07:52 someone told me last time to modify mime types. Oct 16 03:08:21 Yay, it's working! Oct 16 03:08:27 unique311: gconf-editor? Oct 16 03:09:01 know which file i need to modify? Oct 16 03:09:28 unique311: No, but browse around. There's a section on mime types. Oct 16 03:19:36 Hey, microb does gmail! Oct 16 03:20:02 i crashed on gmail with microb Oct 16 03:20:09 lol Oct 16 03:20:42 Microb hardly crashes on me at all. Oct 16 03:20:44 Weird. Oct 16 03:22:32 i use it on gmail fine Oct 16 03:23:36 i sent mail out...left it on the desk, mail went out...and like 1 minute later crashed Oct 16 03:24:03 tom, not finding the mime config in gconf editor.. Oct 16 03:24:38 unique311: hmm Oct 16 03:25:35 lardman|gone: I think that was the only option I changed in the kernel.. Oct 16 04:27:14 bye Oct 16 04:43:53 timeless: bugzilla url/comment shenanigans are getting annoying. i like to contribute, but you guys generating all this bugzilla spam for purely administrative stuff is sorta annoying Oct 16 05:23:03 No N800 for me this week. =( Oct 16 06:11:54 Hello :-P Oct 16 06:13:10 I've been looking fo a way to use Reply-To: on the N800 mail client and I can't find it Oct 16 06:13:33 does anyone have an idea of where to find it? Oct 16 07:48:09 Morning, all Oct 16 07:48:31 Good morning, Jaffa . Oct 16 08:20:28 hm, is there a way to set ./configure options with dpkg-buildpackage? Oct 16 08:24:46 Hi Oct 16 08:34:12 can anyone help me? how to include all the dependency of a debian package so that i can install the package on the device without installing any other dependent package manually? Oct 16 08:36:45 sujan: upload your deb to a repository Oct 16 08:38:22 but the device has no internet connectivity now...Thats the problem Oct 16 08:39:10 You could do something evil like include the other debs' files within your own deb, but that would seriously mess with Debian's packaging ethos and inveitably cause more trouble than it's worth. Oct 16 08:41:13 how can i include other debs? Oct 16 08:43:22 this is temporary...until the device get internet connectivity.... Oct 16 08:44:22 You'd have to unpack the other debs, move their files in to your unpacked deb and then rebuild yours. Surely easiest to just do `dpkg -i *.deb' and install all the requisite debs straight off? Oct 16 08:48:14 ya, dpkg -i *.deb is easier Oct 16 08:49:00 but the requirement is a package without any dependency:( Oct 16 08:49:58 Thanks, jaffa.....Let me try by unpacking all the debs Oct 16 08:59:25 Jaffa: all the debs contain control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz.... so where shall i put them in my package Oct 16 09:09:53 should i copy the files inside /usr/lib only? Oct 16 09:23:57 sujan: make a local file repository with your package + dependencies and use it Oct 16 09:25:43 dpkg-scanpackages should help creating the repo Oct 16 09:25:56 +when Oct 16 09:29:28 inz: ping Oct 16 09:29:33 can you check something for me? Oct 16 09:29:40 timeless, sure Oct 16 09:32:03 cosmo: Thanks cosmo Oct 16 09:32:36 inz: thanks Oct 16 10:29:02 * timeless tries to remember who the ui lead is Oct 16 10:30:01 or rather which account roope actually uses Oct 16 10:30:45 timeless did you have time to see why iphone.fb.com works better in minimo? they use useragent-specific code (in an iphone version? why?) or it's just relaed to the engine? Oct 16 10:34:05 sorry Oct 16 10:34:07 got distraced Oct 16 10:34:12 what user agents did you have? Oct 16 10:34:34 * timeless could try to find the #maemo logs for the right day, but is currently lazy Oct 16 10:36:04 hrm: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=821 Oct 16 10:36:09 is that "fixed" per comment 1? Oct 16 10:41:07 let me find the log Oct 16 10:43:01 good morning(~ugt) Oct 16 10:52:26 timeless: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux armv6l; rv:1.8.1.5pre) Gecko/20070705 Minimo/0.020 Oct 16 10:57:12 so minimo is a 1.8 branch, and microb is a 1.9 thing? Oct 16 10:57:18 and you're saying minimo works better? Oct 16 10:57:33 that's functionally equivalent to comparing ff2 w/ ff3 Oct 16 10:57:43 (and concluding ff2 is better) Oct 16 10:58:07 you can use: Oct 16 10:58:08 general.useragent.override Oct 16 10:58:23 in about:config (on one or both apps) to get sympathy points Oct 16 10:58:34 i'd suggest trying w/ say microb lying as minimo first Oct 16 10:58:40 and then trying minimo lying as microb Oct 16 10:59:04 * timeless needs someone to file 14 bugs Oct 16 10:59:12 Yay, going to be waiting quite a while for my N800. Oct 16 10:59:15 btw, if someone could test: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=936 Oct 16 10:59:18 that'd be nice Oct 16 10:59:24 Still, already got a few little python apps in mind. Oct 16 11:00:54 What is it with news sites that make you register? Oct 16 11:00:56 wow, something's wrong w/ me, i just voted for a bug Oct 16 11:01:16 generalantilles: use bugmenot? Oct 16 11:01:41 I am Oct 16 11:01:44 But it's still a pain Oct 16 11:02:10 The stupid crap that you call "news" isn't worth the time and effort it takes me to get to it. >_> Oct 16 11:02:17 * timeless shrugs Oct 16 11:02:23 * timeless needs to wait for 18 bugs Oct 16 11:02:28 rr 12 bugs Oct 16 11:02:29 * sciboy is watching siggraph lectures. Oct 16 11:02:33 * sciboy snores. Oct 16 11:03:10 Credit to them, it's awesome but 4 hours of powerpoint slides is in fact boring. Oct 16 11:05:51 disq: any reason i shouldn't resolve https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1192#c6 as WFM? Oct 16 11:12:03 WFM too. Oct 16 11:23:09 please resolve bugs :) Oct 16 11:27:57 afternoon all Oct 16 11:28:14 'morning. ;) Oct 16 11:28:26 well yeah I suppose it is :) Oct 16 11:32:35 evening)) Oct 16 11:40:09 hi lardman Oct 16 11:40:09 <_Monkey> hi lardman are you here!! Oct 16 11:40:24 _monkey forget hi lardman Oct 16 11:40:25 <_Monkey> timeless: I forgot hi lardman Oct 16 11:40:33 _monkey hi lardman is Oct 16 11:40:34 <_Monkey> OK, timeless. Oct 16 11:42:04 hi Test_ Oct 16 11:46:41 erm... is there a way to set a Reply-To: on the vanilla N800 mail client? Oct 16 11:48:52 gomiam: i'm not sure many people use it :( Oct 16 11:49:29 yup, I guess so. But it works good enough for my meager needs, and I can't find anything on Google Oct 16 12:24:48 * Jaffa yawns Oct 16 12:42:38 hello Oct 16 12:53:12 hello test ... Oct 16 12:56:01 chris_work: servus Oct 16 12:56:54 is it possible to have race condition withinn dbus_message_get_args? Oct 16 12:57:36 because i sen a message with 4 strings and the receiver gets a mixed up set Oct 16 12:57:53 i only recognized it because of different languages Oct 16 13:10:58 there's your problem - dbus only speaks portuguese Oct 16 13:15:50 hehe Oct 16 13:24:49 hi Oct 16 13:25:09 could somebody help me with cloning Os on MemoryCard? Oct 16 13:25:40 I started inifs_flash Oct 16 13:25:48 but it only asks yes/no Oct 16 13:25:50 and stops Oct 16 13:25:52 or Oct 16 13:25:54 better Oct 16 13:26:01 perhaps, are you using the wiki as ref? Oct 16 13:26:15 i used http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/#initfs Oct 16 13:26:45 Extract tgz archive on your tablet (tar zxvf initfs_flasher.tgz), execute initfs_flash (cd initfs_flasher ; ./initfs_flash) in shell (osso-xterm or via ssh) and follow instructions. << instructions? Oct 16 13:27:49 hola Oct 16 13:27:49 <_Monkey> que tal, lopz Oct 16 13:28:13 ok Oct 16 13:28:15 hola Oct 16 13:28:17 hi Oct 16 13:28:20 it seem to work now Oct 16 13:29:56 Ar-ras, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/ Oct 16 13:30:05 if that is in fact what you want to do Oct 16 13:31:56 COOL Oct 16 13:32:03 booting from memory card :D Oct 16 13:33:03 So SD cards are officially safe in the latest firmware? Oct 16 13:33:58 Yes. Oct 16 13:34:34 they should make skype with webcam compatible... Oct 16 13:34:51 webcam is so useless now Oct 16 13:37:20 skype @windows does webcams. but I would be happy with any program that would allow me to talk/video chat with my parents in france Oct 16 13:42:18 Yet another question (I guess asking about Reply-to on N800 mail client is hopeless). Does anybody have an idea about a maemo repository for postgresql-common? I wanted to set some php on nginx, but I need a RDBMS. Oct 16 13:44:51 sqlite3 work? Oct 16 13:46:02 Ar-ras: gizmo support video calls... Oct 16 13:46:16 really? Oct 16 13:46:28 keesj: it looks like..let me get the link for you.. Oct 16 13:46:49 It's incredibly beta Oct 16 13:46:52 didn't work for me. Oct 16 13:47:03 keesj: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9425 Oct 16 13:47:11 GeneralAntilles: I've never tried... Oct 16 13:47:17 just saw the post Oct 16 13:47:34 GeneralAntilles: might work, but I would like to test Postgresql first Oct 16 13:47:47 I need something my parent can instal and run. Oct 16 13:48:49 Better off buying them an N800 and doing google-talk video calls. Oct 16 13:48:55 I have tried real hard with "nokia video internet call" but also in the past with netmeeting Oct 16 13:49:22 What's the frame rate on the camera anyhow? Oct 16 13:49:35 sciboy: 15? Oct 16 13:49:47 oh yay, i broke my n800 \o/ Oct 16 13:49:49 I'll probably do the video conferencing thing but focus it on my sketchpad. =P Oct 16 13:49:56 Not much better, I think Oct 16 13:50:00 AWESOME FLIP^! Oct 16 13:50:02 What now? Oct 16 13:50:11 flip^: how so? Oct 16 13:50:26 um, now i work out how to restore gtk without being able to get past about 90% of the blue "booting up" bar Oct 16 13:50:28 and where can you download the beta of gizmo? Oct 16 13:50:53 actualy , andy linux/window video calling program would make me happy Oct 16 13:50:58 i think it must've told it to upgrade gtk, which failed, and now its lacking something important Oct 16 13:50:59 flip^: oh, the osso update. Have fun reflashing Oct 16 13:51:19 gomiam: fortunately, i'm booting off mmc and can just restore from the flash that way ;) Oct 16 13:51:25 but it's hassle reinstalling some stuff Oct 16 13:51:55 course, it's battery removing time to get it to power down Oct 16 13:51:58 Stop abusing your poor N800. Oct 16 13:52:28 GeneralAntilles: i bought it for abuse! Oct 16 13:52:43 Yeah, linux is great that way. =D Oct 16 13:52:55 Oops, clicked the wrong cross Oct 16 13:53:51 I flashed mamona on it yesterday. now that's pure abuse! Oct 16 13:54:43 damn Oct 16 13:54:55 they deleted their beta of gizmo Oct 16 13:55:08 does somebody has a copy of it? Oct 16 13:55:09 Oh how I wish we had hardware acceleration for opengl. =( Oct 16 13:55:10 gizmo-project_4.0.0.82_N800_armel.deb Oct 16 13:56:45 Ar-ras: what? They dropped gizmo for N800? Oct 16 13:56:50 No Oct 16 13:56:55 They dropped the video alpha Oct 16 13:57:24 Oh Oct 16 13:58:33 :-/ Oct 16 13:59:25 so is there anybody with the alpha/beta? Oct 16 13:59:31 Did they say anything about bringing it back? Oct 16 13:59:43 * sciboy ponders 3d software rendering. Oct 16 14:00:14 sciboy: waht would you do with opengl? Oct 16 14:00:17 what Oct 16 14:00:19 * gomiam pounces 3d software rendering. Oct 16 14:00:42 keesj, Super-low-poly games. Oct 16 14:01:13 like ? Oct 16 14:01:23 Like jesus-on-a-stick Oct 16 14:02:25 I'll probably stick to 2d for sheer simplicity, but if you got the blender game engine going I could crank out stuff pretty quickly. Oct 16 14:03:44 I had great fun porting xmoto Oct 16 14:04:00 what is xmoto? Oct 16 14:04:04 Mainly because of the bullet physics engine and blender interface, also less scalability issues. Oct 16 14:04:14 You were actually able to port it? Oct 16 14:05:48 I was very busy yes http://xmoto.tuxfamily.org/ Oct 16 14:06:12 http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=-5434097291911279996&q=xmoto Oct 16 14:06:54 Did you use mesa software rendering? Oct 16 14:07:35 no, poly rendering (and sdl_gfx) Oct 16 14:08:51 I lost interrest because nobody was really fund about playing the game Oct 16 14:08:56 How can I make it so that /etc/modules is parsed during boot Oct 16 14:09:26 I can run 'modprobe ftdi_sio' and it works Oct 16 14:09:39 but I'd like the module to be loaded automatically Oct 16 14:12:42 keesj, I'm more interested in developing small games than anything. Oct 16 14:13:19 http://russose.free.fr/BlenderPocket/ Oct 16 14:13:31 there is also a bzr kind of game Oct 16 14:14:34 keesj, http://img206.imageshack.us/my.php?image=blenderonthenokia770bp8.png Oct 16 14:14:38 I like blender Oct 16 14:16:47 keesj, Anyway current plan is to make simple stuff in HTML and/or Python Oct 16 14:17:40 I'm use to working in graphical environments so you won't find me blitting. =) Oct 16 14:18:09 there are many challenges i guess in developing software for the tablet (input being one of them) Oct 16 14:19:16 Which is actually why I am thinking of doing it through the web browser, most of the input is already there and cursor interaction is relatively simple to accomplish via. javascript. Oct 16 14:19:55 and run the files from a small web server on the device? Oct 16 14:20:36 Not entirely necessary, but I was thinking a python script to do so and also serve sounds via. pygame Oct 16 14:21:29 kulve: ping Oct 16 14:21:30 It's primary purpose would be to handle the players progress, variables, saves etc. Oct 16 14:25:23 keesj, The most basic it gets is a simple comic style adventure, with hotspots ala. choose your own path, gif animations to spice things up but otherwise just html and css no javascript or any real scripting. Oct 16 14:25:47 I've done that before as a kid, was quite fun at the time. Oct 16 14:25:57 hi Oct 16 14:26:12 I am not creative enough to create real games Oct 16 14:26:17 kulve: I did a kernel compile, and manually enabled one entry in .config - CONFIG_OMAP_DSP_MBCMD_VERBOSE=y Oct 16 14:26:26 I enjoy solving problems Oct 16 14:26:34 hey all, does anyone here have the new quetoo by zerion on their tablet? Oct 16 14:26:39 kulve: was this the one you were talking about? In any case I don;t see dbg() messages in dmesg, so I presume I've gone wrong somewhere Oct 16 14:27:00 Same here, but I enjoy animating, drawing, painting etc. the games just allow me to combine the problem solving with the art. Oct 16 14:29:05 keesj, I was into programming before I burnt out and jumped ship to animating. Oct 16 14:29:27 I have a strange applet bug. I was able to fix the bug that hang the applet on layout mode when other applets was selected (state_data had to be NULL) BUT it still hang if I select Internet Radio aplet AFTER I placed my applet. It works reversed. Have you got any tips? osso1.0 Oct 16 14:31:53 keesj, It's kinda why I still hang around spots like this and use linux dispite the plentiful software available on other platforms. ;P Oct 16 14:32:46 we need more guys like you then Oct 16 14:33:30 if anyone has quetoo on their tablet, let me know alright. i need someone to test if my server is running fine. Oct 16 14:34:48 It's going to be atleast another week before I can get into it though. =/ Oct 16 14:34:54 Still no news on my N800 order. Oct 16 14:39:00 http://forum.gizmoproject.com/viewtopic.php?t=7098 Oct 16 14:51:06 heyhey Oct 16 14:51:07 <_Monkey> hey, Ar-ras Oct 16 14:51:09 i found it Oct 16 14:51:10 http://www.divshare.com/download/2129913-97c Oct 16 14:51:49 gizmo-project_4.0.0.82_N800_armel_2_.deb ;) Oct 16 15:04:41 any news about cron porting to n800? Oct 16 15:05:24 No cron already? Oct 16 15:05:29 dunno Oct 16 15:05:32 I have 770 Oct 16 15:05:48 some bin fiel was in option Oct 16 15:05:53 *file Oct 16 15:08:52 anyone with quetoo here? Oct 16 15:08:53 "cron doesn't really make sense for the device", is what I've always heard. Oct 16 15:08:53 definitely no crom/anacron on 770-3.2006.49-2 Oct 16 15:09:04 yep, right Oct 16 15:09:26 buy 770 is not always on Oct 16 15:09:30 *but Oct 16 15:09:39 n800 _is_, as I've heard Oct 16 15:10:04 zoran: both are Oct 16 15:10:16 not 770, since I shut it down Oct 16 15:14:25 zoran: well neither is n800 if you shut it down.. Oct 16 15:14:39 :-) Oct 16 15:17:17 <|R> any suggestions on what to change to have exec rights on the SD cards ? :) (fstab seems unrelated, not too sure how to deal with udev) Oct 16 15:18:17 |R, what file system? Oct 16 15:19:10 <|R> zoran : the vfat of the SD cards (mmc1 and mmc2) Oct 16 15:19:28 <|R> if i want to use the SD cards to stock extra programs, i need to be able to execute them :/ Oct 16 15:19:31 ah, had an issue few days ago! Oct 16 15:19:54 maybe could help to say what I did to haev on 770: Oct 16 15:20:03 <|R> yep :) Oct 16 15:20:05 1. partition - vfat Oct 16 15:20:13 2. part - swap Oct 16 15:20:21 3rd one - ext2 Oct 16 15:20:36 the third is the biggest one Oct 16 15:21:05 <|R> you don't have problems with ext2 umounting incorrectly? Oct 16 15:21:12 not at all Oct 16 15:21:23 I concidered ext3... Oct 16 15:21:24 <|R> and is ext2 overlayed on some of the SD magic to make sure it doesn't burn the card to quickly? :) Oct 16 15:21:36 <|R> but ext3 will write to your card every 5 sec... :/ Oct 16 15:21:42 but is was said exactly that for ext3 Oct 16 15:21:51 yes, correct Oct 16 15:22:04 so chose no 2 Oct 16 15:22:13 <|R> and then you join point /usr/local to the card? :) Oct 16 15:22:15 no == number Oct 16 15:22:37 hm, I was a little picky :) Oct 16 15:22:37 <|R> it's going to be a pain to have to extract everything by hand though :/ Oct 16 15:22:45 Is having swap on an SD card advisable? =| Oct 16 15:22:53 I think so Oct 16 15:22:55 <|R> i wish i could continue using apt-get without having to boot from SD and such hacks Oct 16 15:23:20 I made soft links from card to home place Oct 16 15:23:26 <|R> i'd skip the swap partition in the n800 case as it is creating a .swap file on the fat already Oct 16 15:23:40 But doesn't it have a limited lifespan? Heavy swapping would eat away at it. Oct 16 15:24:04 wouldn't last forever Oct 16 15:24:42 for opera on 770 it is necessary to turn pictures off to not use swap Oct 16 15:24:57 links works great, no swap Oct 16 15:25:11 <|R> if you write to the card every minute and it can stand 100k write (suposing even writing) you'll get 5+ years Oct 16 15:25:32 <|R> actually more like ~4.5 Oct 16 15:25:33 you think ext2 writes every minute? Oct 16 15:25:34 <|R> but whatever :) Oct 16 15:25:39 <|R> no Oct 16 15:25:52 I put 0 0 in fstab Oct 16 15:26:24 <|R> that doesn't change anything :) Oct 16 15:26:31 hm Oct 16 15:26:44 I sleep happily Oct 16 15:26:48 <|R> it's if it has to be dumped and the order in which it gets fsck-ed in case of recovery Oct 16 15:26:56 yes Oct 16 15:27:02 and at start up Oct 16 15:27:04 <|R> won't affect write i guess :) Oct 16 15:27:15 not sure, probably no Oct 16 15:27:38 mmc card is not so expensive Oct 16 15:27:56 sd & friends are dirt cheap nowadays Oct 16 15:28:11 kingston in my case Oct 16 15:28:30 * |R still wonders if he could just flip the noexec to exec before formating Oct 16 15:28:31 el chipo Oct 16 15:28:42 on vfat? Oct 16 15:28:51 <|R> yep Oct 16 15:29:06 I read mount (8) million times this days Oct 16 15:29:14 <|R> hehe Oct 16 15:29:21 and mount_msdosfs Oct 16 15:29:23 <|R> mount -n -o remount,exec /media/mmc2 doesn't work Oct 16 15:29:27 for -l and -o Oct 16 15:29:44 <|R> which is pretty weird :| Oct 16 15:30:22 k, should be mount -t vfat /media/mmc2 /something Oct 16 15:30:34 but linux also has -t msdos Oct 16 15:30:51 msdos means short file names Oct 16 15:30:56 vfat is longnames Oct 16 15:31:13 on bsd is is a headache Oct 16 15:31:42 I had to mount_msdosfs -l -o longnames /dev/da0s1 /flashdisk Oct 16 15:32:02 kingston technician advised me to reformat Oct 16 15:32:13 <|R> hehe Oct 16 15:32:23 format to what? Oct 16 15:32:42 <|R> there is no vfat support ? Oct 16 15:32:47 on bsd newfs_msdos -F 32 /dev/da0 Oct 16 15:33:05 it shoud be long names option Oct 16 15:33:09 *should Oct 16 15:33:42 <|R> uhm i can exec on fat after umount / mount Oct 16 15:33:54 say again! Oct 16 15:33:55 <|R> so just need to find the damn option so i don't have to do this by hand ;) Oct 16 15:34:26 on ext2 it should be: ./myfile Oct 16 15:34:32 <|R> /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000) Oct 16 15:34:41 <|R> /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (0) Oct 16 15:34:43 on vfat probably: myfile Oct 16 15:34:45 <|R> card 1 without remount Oct 16 15:34:49 <|R> card to with remount (no options) Oct 16 15:34:53 <|R> to/2 Oct 16 15:35:26 ah, lucky guy, you have two cards! Oct 16 15:35:35 <|R> hehe :) Oct 16 15:35:46 you folks know what to live for Oct 16 15:36:43 |R, should not be prob to run a file from vfat Oct 16 15:37:00 that way I reflashed 770 Oct 16 15:37:09 <|R> i just don't want to have to mount by hand :| Oct 16 15:37:18 unix way Oct 16 15:37:33 you could mount it from fstab Oct 16 15:38:28 for ext2 kernel module should be loaded Oct 16 15:38:40 <|R> weird thing is... the fstab default entry is mounting mmc1 where mmc2 actually is, so i think it's not even used Oct 16 15:39:03 df ? Oct 16 15:39:04 Okay, I'll be keeping the included minisd in the battery slot of the n800, my 4GB SD from my GP2X going in the outer one. Oct 16 15:39:11 do you see it Oct 16 15:39:19 <|R> yep, df is having device *0 to mmc2 and fstab to mmc1 Oct 16 15:39:23 <|R> yep Oct 16 15:39:45 could you paste it? Oct 16 15:39:55 <|R> that's what i pasted earlier :) Oct 16 15:40:09 <|R> /dev/mmcblk0p1 Oct 16 15:40:10 <|R> etc Oct 16 15:40:12 ah, I use psybnc, short buffer Oct 16 15:40:17 <|R> uh 2 sec Oct 16 15:40:18 <|R> ehhe Oct 16 15:40:26 <|R> /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000) Oct 16 15:40:31 <|R> /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (0) Oct 16 15:41:07 <|R> while the fstab is for the first card on mmc2: Oct 16 15:41:10 <|R> /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 vfat rw,noauto,nodev,exec,nosuid,utf8,uid=29999 0 0 Oct 16 15:41:13 <|R> go figure :P Oct 16 15:41:29 you change it, I think Oct 16 15:41:47 mmcblk0p1 is on mmc1 or 2? Oct 16 15:42:40 <|R> mmc2 Oct 16 15:42:55 k, no big deal Oct 16 15:43:07 and yu see second card? Oct 16 15:43:09 <|R> i changed it in fstab and can use fstab to mount/umount and its alright Oct 16 15:43:24 <|R> but it seems that at the boot it doesn't care about that fstab Oct 16 15:43:33 <|R> yep, both cards work just fine Oct 16 15:43:53 noauto means ++ don't mount it at boot Oct 16 15:44:45 Hey. Oct 16 15:44:49 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /media/mmc1 dafault 0 0 Oct 16 15:44:54 *default Oct 16 15:44:59 or defaults Oct 16 15:45:05 works for me Oct 16 15:45:38 <|R> yep works too with all the same options but exec instead of noexec... let me try to reboot :) Oct 16 15:45:49 :) Oct 16 15:55:42 what kingston memories have as default file system, as you bought it vanilla Oct 16 16:01:26 2 minutes to Horton Oct 16 16:02:01 <|R> uhm, if i use swap i can't remount without removing the swap first, so even manually i'm screwed for the internal card... /me is going to look around init.d Oct 16 16:03:51 if the swap is in a "file on card" format Oct 16 16:04:03 <|R> yep Oct 16 16:04:07 why not as partition? Oct 16 16:04:19 no more headache with unount Oct 16 16:04:27 <|R> it would be simpler without and i could reuse the cards faster too Oct 16 16:07:00 brb Oct 16 16:08:00 F1 is probably boot manager Oct 16 16:10:31 back Oct 16 16:11:22 cool Oct 16 16:13:38 anybody could check kingston way of making fs? Oct 16 16:19:41 ahh finally horton is on Oct 16 16:20:02 pupnik, what is horton? Oct 16 16:22:18 the scott horton show, streaming live right now @ kaos959.com Oct 16 16:22:23 good stuff every day Oct 16 16:28:10 * zoran goes to feed dragons Oct 16 16:47:03 anyone with good integer representation skills here? Oct 16 16:47:17 I want to convert a 64bit type into a 32bit int Oct 16 16:47:19 1 2 3 Oct 16 16:47:20 oh Oct 16 16:47:24 2 + 2 = ? Oct 16 16:47:41 unsigned? >> 32 :) Oct 16 16:47:53 no, signed Oct 16 16:47:54 what language? how do you want to handle overflows? Oct 16 16:48:18 C, no overflows, I'll only convert if the return is an error value (i.e. <0 and small) Oct 16 16:48:23 is the 64bit type an int or something else (fixed-point)? Oct 16 16:48:30 it's a struct Oct 16 16:48:46 hang on, I'll find the definition and pastebin it Oct 16 16:49:12 struct to represent an int because no 64bit types available, etc. Oct 16 16:51:09 http://pastebin.ca/738777 Oct 16 16:53:09 ah, no, just use the 'lo' member to get a 32-bit signed equivalent of the 64-bit number Oct 16 16:53:23 will it be signed though? Oct 16 16:53:29 to check for overflow you'd check whether 'hi' was 0 (when lo > 0) or -1 (when lo < 0) Oct 16 16:53:50 I don't know whether ogg_int32_t is signed or not Oct 16 16:53:57 yes Oct 16 16:54:09 but the bit pattern will be correct for a signed number (assuming two's complement, which every modern architecture uses) Oct 16 16:54:35 also, when in doubt, write a unit test Oct 16 16:54:49 I know, just lots to do and I may forget about it Oct 16 16:55:02 I'll write a post-it to check! Oct 16 16:55:06 Thanks Oct 16 16:55:32 * lardman goes back to searching for 64bit values to encase in bloody struct altering functions ;) Oct 16 17:43:50 _monkey, seen timeless? Oct 16 17:43:51 <_Monkey> timeless was last seen on #maemo 5 hours, 54 minutes and 58 seconds ago, saying: gomiam: i'm not sure many people use it :( [Tue Oct 16 12:48:52 2007] Oct 16 17:44:08 slacker :( Oct 16 20:04:56 =) Oct 16 20:11:29 From my google searches I can assume Maemo doesn't have many games? Oct 16 20:11:51 maemo - development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets Oct 16 20:12:05 ITOS - Operating system for Nokia Internet Tablets Oct 16 20:12:10 but you're correct Oct 16 20:13:04 Would game development for the device be the kind of thing most users would appreciate though? Oct 16 20:13:32 <[31d1]> i want someone to port pileobubbles to 770 Oct 16 20:13:34 i'd say the userbase is not particularly interested in games Oct 16 20:13:36 <[31d1]> tia Oct 16 20:13:44 well, even if not, it would make the device more interesting to users who do appreciate it Oct 16 20:14:32 [31d1] open in your browser http://www.wickedpissahgames.com/games/pileobubbles/PileOBubbles.html Oct 16 20:14:37 personally, I'm not planning on using it for gaming. communication device and study aid. Oct 16 20:14:46 <[31d1]> it wouldnt work when i tried it Oct 16 20:16:33 or download the swf http://www.wickedpissahgames.com/games/pileobubbles/PileOBubbles.swf Oct 16 20:17:36 <[31d1]> also the swf wouldn't work on standalone iirc Oct 16 20:17:45 trying it Oct 16 20:18:10 what about xmame and nintendo and ... Oct 16 20:18:11 doesn't work here in standalone Oct 16 20:18:15 I've pretty much decided to do a browser-based adventure game for the N800 specifically anyway. Oct 16 20:18:29 kala xmame works, nintendo us provided by fceu Oct 16 20:18:43 ... and scummvm Oct 16 20:18:51 I see them listed in my app manager Oct 16 20:19:00 I suppose there are plenty of games for them Oct 16 20:19:04 <[31d1]> best gam since tetris except not really Oct 16 20:19:10 I'm currently looking at what tools I'll use to port this pyQT program called mnemosyne to n800. Do you think I should use glade for it? Oct 16 20:19:32 very cool game [31d1] Oct 16 20:19:37 Unless the interest is there though, I'd probably focus on multiplatform stuff afterwards. Oct 16 20:22:10 <[31d1]> pile o bubbles inspired me to learn flash, but all i managed to make was a thing where you click a dot Oct 16 20:22:22 <[31d1]> and a flying butt Oct 16 20:22:25 Flash makes me cry. Oct 16 20:23:37 it's an impressive game from a computing algorithm standpoint Oct 16 20:24:08 It's going to be fun being able to target a specific platform though, knowing the exact resolution, processing power, input method etc. Oct 16 20:25:45 to glade or not to glade... Oct 16 20:27:20 XHTML/CSS/Javascript, No sound or save points, but I will be splitting the gameplay and story into bite-size parts selectable from the main screen. Oct 16 20:28:25 re Oct 16 20:37:42