**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Oct 22 02:59:56 2007 Oct 22 03:00:07 I can't figure out how to get it paired with the other device. Oct 22 03:00:14 zerojay: huh? the OS *does* have a vested interest in knowing Oct 22 03:00:25 No, it doesn't. Oct 22 03:00:39 As far as it's concerned the filesystem write is over. Oct 22 03:00:57 Once the write is flushed to the card (what the progress bar shows), it's done. Oct 22 03:01:04 GeneralAntilles: why can't you use it with a mac? Oct 22 03:01:07 flushed to the card reader, I mean. Oct 22 03:01:25 "Only supports BOOT" Oct 22 03:01:34 Not familiar with bluetooth keyboard profiles Oct 22 03:01:37 ugh... Oct 22 03:01:42 but, evidently, that's only supported on Windows. Oct 22 03:01:44 do i have to run in circles? Oct 22 03:02:00 jeremyb: Apparently. Oct 22 03:02:04 Not if you drop it and move on. ;) Oct 22 03:02:51 What is the OS supposed to do when the card reader signals "write complete" but it's really lying? Oct 22 03:04:03 ...... isn't that the case now? Oct 22 03:04:28 That's what I'm trying to tell you. Oct 22 03:05:03 i've understood that for tens of minutes already Oct 22 03:05:08 i'm talking about the future Oct 22 03:05:17 In the future, there will be robots. Oct 22 03:05:27 Or lots and lots of glass. Oct 22 03:07:24 there will always be legacy and backward compat to consider and but that's not a reason for refusing improvements that comply with existing standards (and therefore are backwards compat) Oct 22 03:07:41 Yes. Oct 22 03:07:51 But it's apparently not. Oct 22 03:08:08 Which I assume is why some cards come with their own special card readers. Oct 22 03:08:37 ok, wait a sec... this cache is in the reader/writer not the card itself, right? Oct 22 03:12:23 the cache is in the driver, right? Oct 22 03:12:35 * truls meddles Oct 22 03:17:46 Is there a download for the adobe flash player for the 2007OS Oct 22 03:22:00 Uh. Oct 22 03:22:04 It's built-in. Oct 22 03:25:18 Not the hacker edition, i have an n770 Oct 22 03:25:50 Hacker edition doesn't include proprietary stuff. Oct 22 03:26:03 As far as i know. Oct 22 03:26:08 Anyone else? Oct 22 03:27:44 i realize that, i'm hunting for if someone could just publish the *.so that i can drop into /usr/lib/beowser/plugins/ Oct 22 03:27:45 <_Monkey> Hmm. No matches for that, vbattsLit1. Oct 22 03:28:07 s/beowser/browser/ Oct 22 03:28:08 vbattsLit1 meant: i realize that, i'm hunting for if someone could just publish the *.so that i can drop into /usr/lib/browser/plugins/ Oct 22 03:28:09 <_Monkey> Hmm. No matches for that, infobot. Oct 22 03:29:43 'dpkg-query -l ' shows a flaah player package, but doesn't contain the needed binaries Oct 22 03:41:36 truls: no, it *must* be on some physical device (assuming no emulation). or at least i can think of no other way to do it Oct 22 04:18:04 is the maemo SDK release the full fledged OS? or is it intended only for development? Oct 22 04:19:14 Gosh I can't wait to get my N800 as start developing stuff. XD Oct 22 04:19:29 and* Oct 22 04:30:32 has anyone gotten their hands on maemo 4.0? Oct 22 05:03:00 OGG files aren't supported on maemo? Oct 22 05:16:26 dougb, There's packages you can install. Oct 22 05:16:53 dougb, I don't know the names though, don't have an N800 yet. Oct 22 05:19:42 hmm Oct 22 05:42:32 are there any sample screenshots for the arsenik project? Oct 22 06:19:09 does maemo 4.0 and hildon 2.0 coencide? Oct 22 06:19:33 *coincide Oct 22 06:35:16 hey all - i'm having trouble transcoding avis for playing on my 770 (w/mplayer) Oct 22 06:35:39 using 770-encode.pl and mediaconverter, i get the video just fine, but all i get is noise for audio Oct 22 07:05:09 Yay my N800 has arrived, I'll pick it up tomorrow morning. =3 Oct 22 07:05:30 interesting definition of arrived Oct 22 07:07:19 It's 5 minutes away. Oct 22 07:07:33 As far as I'm concerned, it has arrived. Oct 22 07:07:57 lol Oct 22 07:09:21 if 5mins, 8hrs 5mins, same difference, if it isn't in hand, it hasn't arrived Oct 22 07:12:06 dont rain on his parade ;-) Oct 22 07:16:17 does anyone know the folder structure to get to where files are saved is OS2007? Oct 22 07:16:27 i'm in /home/user/MyDocs/ but I don't see anything Oct 22 07:21:36 hmm Oct 22 07:21:39 im having an issue Oct 22 07:21:48 i put my filesystem on the mmc card Oct 22 07:21:53 and when i boot Oct 22 07:22:02 it doesnt show the other partition of my mmc Oct 22 07:28:58 <_Logic_> howdy. I grabbed the latest VMWarePlayer for the dev distro and so far everything is great! Oct 22 07:29:20 <_Logic_> Is there some way I can make that image look/behave/feel more like my native n800? Oct 22 07:30:23 <_Logic_> My Menu entries all look like Oct 22 07:30:32 <_Logic_> "tana_fi_internet" etc... Oct 22 07:33:25 _Logic_, you have uninstalled some basic packages. Oct 22 07:38:14 I suppose that there are better solutions but I directly used the flash tool when I had that problem. Oct 22 07:47:37 could it be that bluetooth support is a little bit wacky? Oct 22 07:48:09 whenever i sdptool browse a windows mobile device i do not get any answers Oct 22 07:53:05 Okay I picked it up! Oct 22 07:56:26 better, enjoy :) Oct 22 08:00:38 i have a smb file shared through ubuntu to the n800, but i can't access the files or folders Oct 22 08:00:48 is there something i'm missing? Oct 22 08:00:55 an error message? Oct 22 08:01:11 in the file manager, it says "unable to open" Oct 22 08:01:36 so i tried through ssh and tried to copy the files, and it says "omitting directory" when i try to copy the shared folder to the nokia Oct 22 08:01:42 it finds it fine, and can list the folders Oct 22 08:01:43 i'd suggest trying strace (presumably there's a package somewhere) Oct 22 08:02:00 what does that do? Oct 22 08:02:14 but it sounds like you have permission problems Oct 22 08:03:05 <_Logic_> I started with the vmware player supplied by Nokia this month. I didn't uninstall anything. Oct 22 08:04:09 * sciboy lets it charge. Oct 22 08:04:29 Um, when I start how do I check the version of the firmware? Oct 22 08:04:40 I want to do an update before I start installing apps. Oct 22 08:06:11 about in control panel Oct 22 08:06:32 or load /etc/osso_software_version in your web browser Oct 22 08:06:33 Morning, all Oct 22 08:06:41 morning Oct 22 08:06:41 <_Monkey> aloha Oct 22 08:06:49 shut up Oct 22 08:07:11 * Jaffa 'll assume your berating (perhaps even spanking) the _Monkey. Oct 22 08:07:29 yes Oct 22 08:07:52 (you're..) Oct 22 08:08:07 Dear god. That's atrocious. Very many apologies. Oct 22 08:08:19 I blame the painkillers; the time of day; the erm... phase of the moon. Oct 22 08:08:20 I'm very impressed with nokia's slick packaging. Oct 22 08:08:46 we have to make something shiny, and the packaging is the easiest bit :) Oct 22 08:09:13 although iirc there are bugs either on the packaging or in the quick start guide, so don't look too closely :) Oct 22 08:10:08 The bit where it says: "Contents: Nokia N810 Nseries Internet Tablet; headphones; carry case; next week's winning lottery ticket; car mount; battery; user guide" ? Oct 22 08:10:35 Mine didn't come with the car mount and lottery tickets though. =/ Oct 22 08:10:40 i was talking about the n800 package Oct 22 08:10:50 i haven't looked closely at the n810 box yet Oct 22 08:11:15 i know that the video shipped w/ the n810 has at least one very obvious visual gaffe which is quite embarrassing, but... Oct 22 08:11:30 It's an iPhone not an N810 in the vid? ;-) Oct 22 08:11:48 * Jaffa should do some work, rather than procrastinating here. Oct 22 08:12:02 personally i think nokia should go back to shipping Movie trailers, at least those were professional Oct 22 08:12:28 jaffa: the iPhone wouldn't have rendering bugs if pictured in the video ... Oct 22 08:12:51 timely_changelog: Ouch. Oct 22 08:13:13 Movie trailers were nice. Get some cross-product promotion going (i.e. trailers for F4 or Transformers) Oct 22 08:13:48 it's a standard rule for presentations that you make sure not to demonstrate the rough edges Oct 22 08:13:56 if necessary you customize screens to hide bugs Oct 22 08:14:02 and at worst, you use a flash mockup Oct 22 08:14:12 (or photoshop...) Oct 22 08:14:51 * timely_changelog wonders if someone has blogged about the glitch Oct 22 08:15:41 good morning Oct 22 08:16:03 ok, there's no way for me to find a blog entry for it Oct 22 08:16:05 i just flashed hacker Oct 22 08:16:19 time to bring that to my MMS now that I know what im doing Oct 22 08:18:26 um Oct 22 08:18:28 hrm, Oct 22 08:18:35 * timely_changelog wonders what chevy chase village is Oct 22 08:29:13 * timely_changelog cries Oct 22 08:29:21 ok, the pr people aren't very bright Oct 22 08:29:28 they chose a map of the dc area Oct 22 08:29:38 but didn't verify that it looks like the dc area Oct 22 08:40:23 * timely_changelog cries Oct 22 08:40:39 the docs people need to consider paying a native speaker to read their content Oct 22 08:40:43 "make also sure" Oct 22 08:40:55 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2221/1682289716_94df862bdc.jpg Oct 22 08:41:04 (from planet.maemo) Oct 22 08:41:05 hehe Oct 22 08:41:18 if you have a native speaker, only native speakers can read it easily Oct 22 08:41:38 if it's written by non-native speakers, all other non-native speakers can read it easily Oct 22 08:41:41 what is better? Oct 22 08:41:41 well, you'd think by now they know we have a couple Oct 22 08:42:00 c0ffee: given that the primary market is the USA Oct 22 08:42:09 and that's native speakers, not recent immigrants Oct 22 08:42:15 hehe Oct 22 08:42:25 you mean indians? ;) Oct 22 08:42:32 non native speakers can read the docs mistranslated into heir own language Oct 22 08:42:44 anyway Oct 22 08:42:46 * timely_changelog wants a working t key Oct 22 08:42:58 got to scoot for diner, it's getting late here Oct 22 08:55:29 Nope, can't get reception in my room. Oct 22 08:55:36 Wall must be lined with lead or something. Oct 22 09:07:20 For anyone waiting for my on-demand transcoding/RSS toting open source video converter. Here's a screenshot of the web interface for choosing random videos: http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/mediaserv.png and one of the same directory open in Video Center: http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/mediaserv-vc.png Oct 22 09:15:50 Jaffa, Cool. =) Oct 22 09:16:07 I have Season 3 of family guy. =P Oct 22 09:16:37 * Jaffa was planning on making a video to go with the release, unfortunately Mrs. Jaffa's taken the digital camera away with her. Oct 22 09:31:47 has anybody got experience with audio on maemo. i have n800 Oct 22 09:31:53 need some pointers Oct 22 09:32:19 portaudio doesnt like it Oct 22 09:41:08 Tili: you should use gstreamer for any audio output/input Oct 22 09:43:05 morning Oct 22 09:43:05 <_Monkey> aloha Oct 22 09:43:34 E: Downloaded armel rootstrap file failed integrity test. Oct 22 09:43:51 how can i delete part-downloaded file? Oct 22 09:44:34 oh, i find it. Oct 22 09:44:56 Wow, that flashed pretty quickly. Oct 22 09:47:27 Now I need to find myself the relevant respositories. Oct 22 09:51:20 onion: thanks. i will look for it. may be port to portaudio Oct 22 10:02:06 Um, which repository has "libgdbm3"? Oct 22 10:02:18 Tili: why portaudio? Oct 22 10:07:45 sciboy: I think it's the base repository the python2.5 installation process at http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/ asks you to install before python itself. Oct 22 10:14:25 Installing python now, cheers. =) Oct 22 10:18:58 am I just imagining this or is python-gnome package abandoned one? debian only has a version that builds against gtk+ 1.2 and I can't seem to find any pages that have useful information on it. Oct 22 10:19:29 Jiten: itym python-gnome2 Oct 22 10:19:59 ah, gnome's ftp has more recent version. Oct 22 10:20:16 and debian Oct 22 10:20:53 so it seems, I wonder if I forgot that "2" from the apt-get source command Oct 22 10:21:05 most likely :) Oct 22 10:21:13 apparently, since I got 2.12 now Oct 22 10:22:16 ok, I need python-gnome2-extras for gtkhtml support it seems Oct 22 10:22:36 does newly installed sdk looks like in pic- http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6500/gkrellshoot102207142103gl9.png Oct 22 10:23:00 does maemo have python-bindings for gtkhtml? Oct 22 10:23:08 I didn't find any Oct 22 10:23:35 but you are going to do something about it? Oct 22 10:24:03 I guess I have to. Oct 22 10:24:07 is there anywhere where I can follow your progress? Oct 22 10:24:32 I'm sorry that I'm not offering help, but I'm in the middle of a move Oct 22 10:24:36 not really, no. Oct 22 10:25:48 I'm also moving this week so I won't be having much time to use on this. Oct 22 10:26:22 can we exchange contact info, I'd like to follow up on this later Oct 22 10:28:07 sure Oct 22 10:34:25 What do I need to install to play back XVID videos among other things. Oct 22 10:37:54 sciboy: mplayer? Oct 22 10:37:55 <_Monkey> mplayer is down, that's what's up Oct 22 10:38:26 sciboy: the built-in player can handle them if they're low enough bitrate and have the right FOURCC Oct 22 10:38:45 FOURCC? Oct 22 10:39:02 They're pretty low bitrate already, originally encoded for the gp2x. Oct 22 10:39:46 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/videoencoding/ Oct 22 10:40:01 AVIs have a 4 character code which describes their format. Oct 22 10:40:14 mplayer's your best bet, TBH - but the built-in player might manage them too Oct 22 10:40:45 MPlayer it is, will Canola use it? Oct 22 10:41:52 Oh and on the same topic what should I install for OGG support? Oct 22 10:42:03 Not that any of this is going to matter when 2008 is released. Oct 22 10:42:41 there's an ogg player.. Oct 22 10:42:48 check the garageeee Oct 22 10:43:17 I see "Ogg Vorbis support for maemo" and "Ogg support" in the application catelog Oct 22 10:43:21 catalogue Oct 22 10:44:15 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/oggplay/ a player Oct 22 10:45:09 I'm not looking for a specialised ogg player. Oct 22 10:46:18 Gosh it'd be nice if there was wifi in my room. =/ Oct 22 10:47:47 anyone ever dabbled with tversity.com 's product for streaming to a 770/n800? Oct 22 10:53:07 That reminds me, need to check if kagu or canola supports streaming. Oct 22 10:55:29 kagu doesn't stream Oct 22 10:56:41 So best way to get the music to canola is through a samba share? Oct 22 10:57:50 not sure..used canola once..and removed it. Oct 22 10:59:54 put in a request for (kagu) to support streaming.. Oct 22 11:00:31 i remember playing music from my desktop on my N800. forgot how i went about doing it. Oct 22 11:05:31 Be back later. Oct 22 11:30:02 is there any other way to use audio on maemo except gstreamer. my libraryr/software already uses portaudio and it is too much work to move to gstreamer Oct 22 11:49:32 Tili: interesting Oct 22 11:50:24 Tili: i see libportaudio0 and libportaudio2 in repos so it should work Oct 22 11:51:03 Tili: http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo+multimedia+architecture Oct 22 12:37:49 hi! :) Oct 22 12:38:48 anyone live here I can say hello to? Oct 22 12:39:28 Zvjer: probably not Oct 22 12:39:53 nice :) Oct 22 12:40:24 it may be rude from me to come here and start asking questions, but I need to ask one :) Oct 22 12:40:46 this channel is for asking questions Oct 22 12:41:01 I'm searching through maemo site, and I'm not sure is there a tomtom for os2008? Oct 22 12:41:23 There isn't Oct 22 12:41:29 You want either Navicore or Maemo Mapper Oct 22 12:41:49 maemo mapper is free and excellent Oct 22 12:42:11 I was planning to buy N800 these days, and what a surprise - N810 appeared on internet Oct 22 12:42:22 N810 is a waste of money. Oct 22 12:42:28 which maps does maemo mapper support? Oct 22 12:42:39 and why waste of money? Oct 22 12:42:44 You can buy two N800s for the price of one N810 Oct 22 12:42:47 same specs Oct 22 12:42:59 yes but I like integrated gps Oct 22 12:43:15 does 70Mhz and integrated gps worth this money? Oct 22 12:43:16 Maemo Mapper uses Google Satellite/Maps and VirtualEarth Oct 22 12:43:25 Like I said, they have the same specs. Oct 22 12:43:27 that's one damn expensive integrated gps then :) Oct 22 12:43:29 N800 has the exact same CPU Oct 22 12:43:33 virtual earth are the roads, right? Oct 22 12:43:38 I have a nokie bluetooth gps dongle thingee i use with my n8100 Oct 22 12:43:41 Roads and satellite. Oct 22 12:44:00 Bluetooth GPS receivers are a lot faster and a lot more accurate than built-in ones. Oct 22 12:44:01 n810 also has a keyboard, which is worth about €80 Oct 22 12:44:07 Hardly Oct 22 12:44:21 bluetooth folding pda keyboards cost about €80 Oct 22 12:44:26 in holland Oct 22 12:44:28 A _bluetooth_ keyboard might be worth that Oct 22 12:44:33 With numbers and real keys Oct 22 12:44:34 where they are also extremely hard to find :p Oct 22 12:44:36 that I can touch-type on Oct 22 12:44:46 But a built-in keyboard isn't worth that Oct 22 12:44:57 i dunno. i just use the finger keyboard on the n800 Oct 22 12:45:06 Yeah, the finger keyboard on the N800 works great. Oct 22 12:45:09 the builtin keyboard is nice but more important is gps to me, because I dont like external gps Oct 22 12:45:24 i still want a real keyboard, but no income = no keyboard. meh Oct 22 12:45:24 $280 USD worth? Oct 22 12:45:30 I can handle external gps if N800 is so much cheaper but I dont like :) Oct 22 12:45:47 External GPSes use much better chips. Oct 22 12:45:48 N810 is $500 .. how much is N800? Oct 22 12:45:57 $220 USD from buy.com Oct 22 12:46:06 damn, i paid too much Oct 22 12:46:11 Plus, you get 3x the storage. Oct 22 12:46:30 :) .. buy.com? nice :) .. I live in Croatia Oct 22 12:46:34 2x 16GB SDHC verus 10GB Oct 22 12:46:38 Ah, well, you're screwed then. Oct 22 12:46:43 n810 does come with more storage integrated though. Oct 22 12:46:44 Discounts haven't hit Europe. Oct 22 12:46:50 Not really Oct 22 12:47:04 that 2gb internal is occupied by 1.7GB of maps. Oct 22 12:47:04 discounts have hit Finland already. That's in europe. Oct 22 12:47:07 isnt N800 330MHz? Oct 22 12:47:15 It's clocked down currently Oct 22 12:47:18 i find this trash talking the new model to be very seductive as it lessens my jealousy Oct 22 12:47:19 It'll be 400MHz with OS 2008 Oct 22 12:47:25 a-ha Oct 22 12:47:45 I was hoping for an OMAP 34xx core in the N810 Oct 22 12:47:52 Hopefully we wont have to wait too long for those. Oct 22 12:47:58 i'm not into trash talking, I'm a new guy who wants to buy something currently unavailable in my country Oct 22 12:47:59 650MHz, same power usage. :D Oct 22 12:48:18 n810 is smaller and more light weight than n800 though. Oct 22 12:48:23 It's heavier Oct 22 12:48:25 I like that Oct 22 12:48:31 and not much smaller. Oct 22 12:48:35 20g heavier Oct 22 12:48:43 heavier? I heard lighter Oct 22 12:48:45 the real question about the price is how much does the N800 and N810 cost in EU Oct 22 12:48:47 You heard wrong. Oct 22 12:49:13 Trust me, it's heavier. Oct 22 12:50:00 n800 is available for 270 EUR in Finland. if you remove taxes, that's 210 EUR Oct 22 12:50:01 whatabout the opentom project? what device is that for? Oct 22 12:50:37 finland is too far for me to go and buy one device. Oct 22 12:50:37 austria and germany are ok Oct 22 12:50:39 Never heard of it. Oct 22 12:50:46 http://www.opentom.org/Main_Page Oct 22 12:51:02 Uh, the TomTom Go? Oct 22 12:51:03 Zvjer: mail order might be possible. Oct 22 12:52:15 I like tomtom.. I use it on my 6680 nokia, but the problem is that there is no version 6 for my phone Oct 22 12:52:43 Maemo Mapper's quite good, and I hear good things about Navicore Oct 22 12:52:46 so now I'm thinking about not buying a new phone but better to buy N800 or N810 as an addon to my phone Oct 22 12:53:02 what maps does navicore swallow? Oct 22 12:53:15 It's basically what everybody uses. Oct 22 12:53:15 maps are important question for me because I live .. nowhere hehe Oct 22 12:53:16 Garmin Oct 22 12:53:18 etc. Oct 22 12:53:46 ok Oct 22 12:53:46 http://www.navicoretech.com/en_GB/LangSelect/ Oct 22 12:55:29 navicore only major roads in my country - just had a look. not good for me Oct 22 12:55:47 Well, there's always google satellite. Oct 22 12:55:59 The N810 map application is actually quite ok. I've just been playing around with it. Oct 22 12:56:09 yeah, maemo mapper can use google maps data. Oct 22 12:56:40 google maps croatia coverage is ok. not perfect but ok Oct 22 12:56:57 Maemo Mapper's free, so what's not to love. :) Oct 22 12:57:03 tomtom has better maps in my country, that's why I keep mentioning tomtom Oct 22 12:58:11 Yay! Oct 22 12:58:17 Get it? Oct 22 12:58:53 I'm currently browsing my city through googlemaps Oct 22 12:58:58 Typing from my N800! Oct 22 12:59:03 'grats Oct 22 12:59:11 You upgrade the firmware to the latest, sciboy? Oct 22 12:59:20 if tomtom go is opensource, why then theres no maemo version? :) Oct 22 12:59:42 Uh, because there's not much market there Oct 22 12:59:50 it's not Oct 22 12:59:52 and porting it to radically different hardware would be quite expensive. Oct 22 13:00:06 2007, Yeah, using an SD card after all. Oct 22 13:00:07 the OS is partly open source, the mapping application is not Oct 22 13:01:17 hardware is hardly "radically" different, though, it'd probably be trivial to port. Oct 22 13:02:05 Trying to get a handle on typing on the screen... Oct 22 13:02:42 You using the thumbbard, sciboy? Oct 22 13:02:44 *board Oct 22 13:03:03 this is very funny ... the web site maps.google.com has older maps then google earth Oct 22 13:03:19 Stylus, what do you recommend? Oct 22 13:03:28 thumbboard Oct 22 13:03:28 <_Monkey> thumbboard is probably nice, but i find the delay frustrating Oct 22 13:03:38 Hit the text entry field with a full finger Oct 22 13:03:48 Or press the middle button on the d-pad to bring it up. Oct 22 13:04:23 I see beacuse the roads in google earth are new Oct 22 13:04:32 Should I use both thumbs to type? Oct 22 13:04:54 Yes. Oct 22 13:04:56 Works great Oct 22 13:05:01 Just don't hit them at the same time. Oct 22 13:05:04 Not multi-touch Oct 22 13:06:11 Whoops. Oct 22 13:07:10 Is there a shift-key? (not caps) Oct 22 13:10:20 Just feels a little odd having to hit CAPS twice. Oct 22 13:10:47 =P Oct 22 13:11:40 If press a key and move up into the next row and let go you get a shift-letter. Oct 22 13:14:49 Yay, it's released: http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/jaffa/2007/10/22/on_demand_transcoding_server_initial_rel Oct 22 13:15:22 Sweet Oct 22 13:15:32 Complete with instructions :) Oct 22 13:16:27 =D Oct 22 13:17:51 I'm still a bit bummed about not having WiFi reception in my room. =/ Oct 22 13:18:19 Get yourself another router. Oct 22 13:18:42 Jaffa: wow, looks great Oct 22 13:19:28 <||cw> can that be used to download stuff too or just to play the stream? Oct 22 13:19:56 If you click "Save" rather than "Open" (or the "Download" button in Video Center) it'll also save it to your tablet. Oct 22 13:20:02 <||cw> nice Oct 22 13:20:24 Annoyingly, the usage tracking isn't working properly in this version so it'll keep the videos around on the transcoding box too (like GeneralAntilles wanted ;-)) Oct 22 13:20:33 Only problem is the price issue. =P Oct 22 13:21:20 <||cw> sciboy: pick up a $10 usb wifi and make an ad-hoc from your PC and use the pc as a router Oct 22 13:21:31 Jaffa: that what a cron job if for find /dir -mtime 2 -name "conv.mp4" -exec rm {} \; Oct 22 13:21:53 snowmoon: yeah, that's a decent enough workaround. Oct 22 13:23:40 did i understand correctly that it contains a web server that can be used to browse & stream the files? Oct 22 13:23:47 cosmo: correct Oct 22 13:24:30 VERY sweet. perl is powerful. Oct 22 13:24:41 I was hoping to avoid having my desktop on. (noise) Oct 22 13:26:31 Jaffa: if you want, i can do debian packaging for it Oct 22 13:27:10 cosmo: That'd be very cool (might want to wait for it to get a bit nicer) Oct 22 13:27:13 i'd also prefer running it as a daemon like any other server Oct 22 13:27:18 Yeah Oct 22 13:27:21 Uh oh, it's getting late, chat with you guys later. Thanks for the help. Oct 22 13:28:32 Ick, gotta reinstall Xcode, evidently I need all the legacy SDKs to have cpan installs work right. Oct 22 13:28:38 any guesses how powerful pc you need to stream normal definition video? Oct 22 13:29:15 my home server is 800mHz, i'm not sure if it's enough.. Oct 22 13:29:41 cosmo: Converting standard def downloaded DivXes to the "smallest" preset (currently hardcoded) has CPU to spare on a 1GHz Via EPIA C3, equivalent to a ~800Mhz P3 IIRC Oct 22 13:29:42 <||cw> 3000+ Oct 22 13:30:07 <||cw> actualy, at 770's res, slower would work but 800 is probably too slow Oct 22 13:30:08 ok, not bad Oct 22 13:30:12 Any trouble if I change the preset to "mplayer", Jaffa? Oct 22 13:30:30 <||cw> my 3800+ encodes at about 70fps Oct 22 13:30:40 GeneralAntilles: nope - needs doing in just one place (i.e. the 770-encode call), should work fine if your machine's fast enough Oct 22 13:31:08 Yeah, ffmpeg does a 22 minute show to that quality in about 7 minutes for me. Oct 22 13:33:52 Can the n800 accept MMC-RS cards ( the 770 form factor ) Oct 22 13:33:59 Yes, with an adapter. Oct 22 13:34:43 i think they also fit without adapter in internal slot Oct 22 13:34:51 Oh, cool. Oct 22 13:35:49 buy.com is taunting me Oct 22 13:35:57 Chinook has minimo I heard. Is it possible to embed that in applications? I didn't see any documentation on that. Oct 22 13:36:10 MicroB Oct 22 13:36:11 <_Monkey> it has been said that MicroB is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) Oct 22 13:36:12 Jiten: microb, not minimo (but both Gecko based) Oct 22 13:37:36 Odd. I didn't know the iPod Touch featured a VPN client: http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/10/21/ipodtouch/index.php?lsrc=mwrss Oct 22 13:38:29 Too bad Apple isn't giving us a bash prompt yet. Oct 22 13:39:02 At least the SDK will be coming soon enough. Oct 22 13:39:18 I bet it'll take less than a day from the SDK being released in Feb to having Terminal.app. The refreshed eye candy of IT OS 2008 looks like it might sait me for a while, though. Oct 22 13:39:43 Jaffa: http://blog.tomh.us/post/12863395 Oct 22 13:39:48 Well, until the iPhone/iPod has 800x480 I'm not buying one. Oct 22 13:40:01 hehehe Oct 22 13:40:12 snowmoon: Ah, ta. Wondered why I hadn't heard about it. Oct 22 13:40:25 GeneralAntilles: Lack of Bluetooth is a killer for me, too. Oct 22 13:40:51 Yeah, forgot about that. Oct 22 13:41:13 With a BT phone and some easily obtained hacks for Verizon I can get on at ISDN speeds anywhere I can get a bar of signal on my phone Oct 22 13:41:51 Wish bluetooth tethering weren't limited to 50KB/sec on the N800 Oct 22 13:42:00 ok, so there is a way to embed html widget in my application. Now I guess this one is missing python bindings too? Oct 22 13:42:12 I can't imagine why it's running at half capacity. Oct 22 13:42:16 Jiten: There's a gtkhtml widget IIRC Oct 22 13:43:10 no python bindings for that either. Oct 22 13:44:10 GeneralAntilles: 50KB/sec? Is that some sort of hardware limitation Oct 22 13:44:41 Can't be Oct 22 13:44:52 Since I get 120KB/sec doing file transfers to/from my computer. Oct 22 13:44:53 * Jaffa 's not seen that, but not tested the speed either. I find trying to use 3G on the train on the route I take each day in the UK to be too patchy to be usable. Oct 22 13:45:39 3g worked really nicely on the trains when I was on vacation in San Francisco a few months ago. Oct 22 13:45:43 Minus the tunnels, of course. Oct 22 13:45:53 50kbps is still faster than most BT phone as internet can provide ( excpet for excellent EVDO coverage ) Oct 22 13:46:11 My phone does about 350KB/sec Oct 22 13:46:37 Jaffa: my god that macworld article... the writer is so full of apple kool-aid Oct 22 13:46:46 Ha Oct 22 13:46:50 It's Macworld, what do you expect? :P Oct 22 13:46:56 heh Oct 22 13:47:10 MacAddict was always more interesting Oct 22 13:47:13 I guess a little objectivity would be too much to ask Oct 22 13:47:17 "The world clock is extremely useful when traveling across time zones, crucial for the jet-setting international exec" Oct 22 13:47:20 OOOOOOOH Oct 22 13:47:24