**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 28 02:59:57 2007 Oct 28 03:04:30 So how do you all think the n800 will handle the os 2008?" Oct 28 03:05:06 since it's equivalen to the n810 wrt hardware, about as well as the n810 Oct 28 03:05:36 Really? Oct 28 03:05:41 The processor and ram is exactly equivilent? Oct 28 03:05:50 processor is Oct 28 03:05:53 So does that mean youtube becomming more smooth is software and NOT hardware? Oct 28 03:06:18 *shrug*, i work on the web browser Oct 28 03:06:50 sixpence: First, as far as I know, Flash has been updated to the latest beta. Oct 28 03:06:52 and "more smooth" in the vague context of "some extremely complicated and highly ambiguous web application" is at best hard to quantify Oct 28 03:07:26 sixpence: Second, the tablets will allow dynamically changing the clock speed higher for more intensive applications and stuff. Oct 28 03:07:35 I'd imagine flash would be able to take advantage of that. Oct 28 03:08:09 the platform does it automaically, flash doesn't have any influence (or shouldn't) Oct 28 03:09:11 zerojay: On BOTh tablets. Oct 28 03:09:58 sixpence: Both tablets use the same firmware and are virtually the same to the kernel. If it sees GPS when it boots, it'll load the GPS kernel module.. if not, it's ignored. Oct 28 03:10:13 If the modules are not built into the kernel, that is. Oct 28 03:10:43 zerojay: Alright. I got it. :d Oct 28 03:18:46 A lot of people don't realize that the N810 isn't really meant to be an upgrade like the N800 was to the 770.. but more of a consumer mainstream friendly version of the N800. Oct 28 03:19:34 An alternative form factor Oct 28 03:19:54 Yep. Oct 28 03:21:29 For maemo to take off, i think we need a diverse set of portables running the ITOS Oct 28 03:21:38 From different manufacturers even Oct 28 04:42:32 anyone using gmyth and maemomyth around? Oct 28 04:42:40 is there a good forum for maemo users? Oct 28 04:42:50 sparr: internettablettalk.com Oct 28 05:04:55 ok, maybe someone will buy my 770s Oct 28 05:06:19 it could serve you fine for years Oct 28 05:06:31 side-grading back to a gp2x soon Oct 28 05:06:52 im mostly a gamer, and since the new gp2x has a touch screen it can fill my small PIM needs too Oct 28 05:06:57 you could consider 770 as full grade pc Oct 28 05:07:42 http://sparrsstuff.com/maemo <-- its not like i am unaware of what it can do :-p Oct 28 05:08:21 I wasn't aware of gp2x, have to admit Oct 28 05:08:57 bye Oct 28 05:08:59 had one before my 770. got stolen :( Oct 28 05:09:07 some jackass thought it was a PSP, had it in a PSP case Oct 28 05:09:10 wont make that mistake again Oct 28 05:09:12 how much it costs? Oct 28 05:10:27 about $180 Oct 28 05:10:56 not so much Oct 28 05:11:06 it could kill n810 Oct 28 05:11:24 nah Oct 28 05:11:26 no wifi Oct 28 05:11:27 no keyboard Oct 28 05:11:36 no [large] built in storage Oct 28 05:11:37 gp2x only playstation? Oct 28 05:11:37 command line? Oct 28 05:11:39 no package manager Oct 28 05:11:46 macluvjay: huh? Oct 28 05:11:47 ah Oct 28 05:11:57 i want nes emu Oct 28 05:12:00 k, looks similar to 770/800 Oct 28 05:12:09 gp2x has a great NES emulator. ditto SNES. crappy PSX emulator Oct 28 05:12:26 awesome thanks Oct 28 05:12:39 nokia could make a killing with a game device based on maemo... real d-pad, shoulder buttons and right side buttons, it would rock Oct 28 05:12:50 but it wouldnt be as fast as the gp2x Oct 28 05:12:51 where can i get? Oct 28 05:13:01 gp2x has two ~250MHz ARM cores Oct 28 05:13:04 the first result on google Oct 28 05:13:12 macluvjay: http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/Where_to_Buy%3F Oct 28 05:13:30 first google result is probably gp2x.co.uk, not the cheapest or fastest place to order from unless you live in the UK Oct 28 05:13:31 takes me to the archive index Oct 28 05:13:46 http://wiki.gp2x.org/wiki/Where_to_Buy Oct 28 05:14:04 the gp2x is designed for gaming, with PIM as an afterthought. the opposite of maemo. Oct 28 05:14:05 sparr, I see 800/810 as play on device Oct 28 05:14:22 ah Oct 28 05:14:28 zoran: without a real d-pad its mostly impossible to play most real action/arcade games for more than a few minutes Oct 28 05:14:48 -hm, not a fan of gaming Oct 28 05:15:04 was hoping for a small emu for the 800 Oct 28 05:15:04 sparr: I wouldn't say it is the opposite for maemo Oct 28 05:15:13 the ITs aren't PIM devices Oct 28 05:15:20 gp2x doesnt [normally] run X11 like maemo does, they have their own light weight GUI that shuts down when you run a game. the games tend to be very low level as well, often written with large chunks in asm, manipulating the device hardware directly instead of using high level stuff Oct 28 05:15:34 cesman: i know, but the gp2x is also not an internet tablet Oct 28 05:15:37 for those $180 it plays mp3 and shoes video, if I see it correctly Oct 28 05:15:40 sparr: I think the perfect portable would be a combination of the N8xx and a GP2X Oct 28 05:15:47 yes, it plays mp3 and shows video Oct 28 05:15:49 *shows Oct 28 05:16:17 cesman: i have thought that for a long time, with influences from the NDS and PSP and Mylo as well Oct 28 05:16:31 sparr, a lot of folks want just that Oct 28 05:16:34 cesman: somewhere in N-space, there is an imaginary handheld with all the great features of all those platforms... but no one makes it :( Oct 28 05:16:51 zoran: QVGA isnt as good for video as the 770/8xx Oct 28 05:16:55 conmpaq has fine line of ipaqs Oct 28 05:17:17 sparr, you are correct Oct 28 05:17:35 "the" gp2x software archive: http://archive.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi Oct 28 05:18:03 should see a major influx of new stuff once the new model hits the streets, with a touch screen. Oct 28 05:18:15 touch screen opens up a lot of options for non-gaming apps, and for non-action games Oct 28 05:18:23 sparr: there is a new gp in the works?! Oct 28 05:18:51 it reminds me of what people want from new phone model: good camera, video, music, organizer...; no phone usage? Oct 28 05:19:43 cesman: yes, gp2x F200. its the MK2 with a touch screen and a d-pad Oct 28 05:19:54 got a link? Oct 28 05:19:56 cesman: and not "in the works"... it shipped to distributors this week. Oct 28 05:20:11 http://www.google.com/search?q=gp2x+f200 :) Oct 28 05:20:21 :) Oct 28 05:20:22 just did Oct 28 05:20:22 someone knows what is going on with 2600.net? Oct 28 05:20:47 http://gp2x.co.uk/ Oct 28 05:21:29 other than those two things, and a slot for the stylus, its supposed to be functionally identical to the F100, and perfectly software compatible. Oct 28 05:21:49 lots of devs are doubtful about the "perfectly" part, odds are some hardware addresses have changed that they didnt bother to document, but thats small change Oct 28 05:23:41 the gp2x is an excellent platform for very low level development. if i ever get off my ass and do something original, instead of crappy ports (i ported enigma, mostly), it will be a good item for my portfolio trying to find a game development job Oct 28 05:24:22 gp2x restarted my interest in very low level programming Oct 28 05:49:01 Figure you might be getting this alot, but anyone gotten python installed on latest revision for the n800? Oct 28 05:49:28 Yes. Oct 28 05:50:01 any hints? Keep getting dependancy errors w/ libsdl-ttf and a couple others Oct 28 05:50:27 Er.. that's odd. Oct 28 05:50:37 Never had those issues. Oct 28 05:50:38 change fonts? Oct 28 05:50:39 <_Monkey> zoran: that doesn't look right Oct 28 05:50:48 Installed perfectly fine in blue pill mode. Oct 28 05:51:20 It installed fine for me earlier today, but after reflashing to latest version, it doesn't anymore :( Oct 28 05:51:40 new os version? Oct 28 05:52:08 nod, 4.2007.38-2 Oct 28 05:52:19 That's a month or so old now. Oct 28 05:52:25 38 isn't a new version anyway Oct 28 05:52:34 it's the same as he previous version w/ a kernel fix Oct 28 05:52:52 nod. That's why I didn't get why it would cause dependancy problems. Oct 28 05:52:56 I meant, is it different from the previous? Oct 28 06:39:46 zoran: how about wifi and bleutooth , ain't that handy? Oct 28 06:40:04 keesj, remind me, please Oct 28 06:40:23 the gp2x does not have such connectivity right? Oct 28 06:40:44 supose so; don't have the gadget Oct 28 06:41:03 sparr is the guy with that dude Oct 28 06:41:20 I think that the 770 + wii controller should beat the gp2x anyday anytime Oct 28 06:41:36 I like my 770 as all round box Oct 28 06:42:30 but I think it as real computer, with linux as method Oct 28 06:42:52 gp2x does not have built in wifi or bluetooth Oct 28 06:43:49 I read phone reviews now and found it close to any pc already Oct 28 06:44:10 but the gp2x has more processing power than the 770 Oct 28 06:45:03 two cpu's but not really used right? Oct 28 06:45:34 the core OS uses one. the other is used by some stock apps, some homebrew apps. Oct 28 06:45:44 there are libraries to do math and 2d and 3d graphics on the second cpu Oct 28 06:46:07 nice, I did not know that Oct 28 06:46:08 the built in media player uses both, so it can decode more compressed video than the 770 Oct 28 06:47:22 I see people on the bus playing fabulous games on their phones; some phones are the size of medium brick Oct 28 06:48:35 I recall people in flight, using laptops for some basic game, that children almost have it on the wrist watch Oct 28 06:50:46 yeah Oct 28 06:51:04 im happy with SNES emulation on the gp2x. that alone is enough gaming to last a lifetime Oct 28 06:51:27 the homebrew and such is just icing on the cake Oct 28 06:52:03 sparr, what is snes? Oct 28 06:52:36 super nintendo entertainment system Oct 28 06:52:41 :) Oct 28 06:52:45 nintendo's 16 bit console, circa 1990 Oct 28 06:53:10 my cousin likes game emulators on his xp, for old spwctrum amiga etc Oct 28 06:53:29 there are emulators for almost every old console for the gp2x Oct 28 06:53:44 http://archive.gp2x.de/cgi-bin/cfiles.cgi?0,0,0,0,5 Oct 28 06:54:02 I recall of the game called "elite", about space traders and more Oct 28 06:54:20 elite, elite 2, elite plus. if you liked elite and have a PC, try oolite Oct 28 06:54:42 hm, not so interested, but liked it that days Oct 28 06:54:48 and if you like MMO games, there is Jumpgate (out of business?) and Earth and Beyond and EVE Online Oct 28 06:55:08 A version of Elite for the NES was finished but never was produced... the programmers released a free ROM if you're interested. Oct 28 06:55:33 I like another kind of stuff now Oct 28 06:56:20 zerojay: im sure i already have it... years ago i took the time to download every ROM of every game for every console up to the SNES :) Oct 28 06:56:41 sparr: There's always new dumps. Oct 28 06:56:50 sure, but odds are i wont be looking for them Oct 28 06:57:18 sparr could build a library of games and ask nokai to fund it Oct 28 06:57:50 http://rafb.net/p/nIkH8I80.html Oct 28 06:58:18 I've got a huge rom collection as well. Oct 28 06:58:20 games and video and music feed all those devices like phones, 770/800, all kind of players Oct 28 06:58:41 Got you beat. Oct 28 06:58:59 at some point there are diminishing returns Oct 28 06:59:03 i wasnt really trying to set a record Oct 28 06:59:09 Me either. Oct 28 06:59:18 I just want everything I could possibly want to play. Oct 28 06:59:22 just trying to reach the "i probably wont have to hunt for a ROM for [insert game here] next year when i want to play it" point Oct 28 06:59:27 Full MAME set, full PS1 set.. Oct 28 06:59:41 PS1 is a little more disk space than i want to dedicate Oct 28 06:59:49 Understandably. Oct 28 06:59:53 MAME is on my to-do list Oct 28 07:00:01 Full US set, ~390GB. Oct 28 07:00:32 or nas as game server? Oct 28 07:00:38 zoran: that too Oct 28 07:01:03 zoran: I've got my PC set up for playing games locally but also serving by Samba to two Xboxes. Oct 28 07:01:04 you could hae all games on the storage and call them from emulator, not having it all around at your box Oct 28 07:02:05 if emu supports net protocol Oct 28 07:02:20 Unfortunately, not all do. Oct 28 07:02:50 I saw one linksys nas device for about $70 and space for 2 usb hdd Oct 28 07:03:06 NSLU-2. Oct 28 07:03:10 yes Oct 28 07:03:20 I wanted one of those for a while. Oct 28 07:03:21 not sure ifit is fast enough Oct 28 07:03:28 me too Oct 28 07:04:11 there is newer one, but does not look so fine as nslu2 Oct 28 07:04:36 Linksys? Oct 28 07:04:39 yep Oct 28 07:04:45 cannot recall the name Oct 28 07:04:50 gonna google Oct 28 07:05:29 nas200 Oct 28 07:05:37 * czr mornings all Oct 28 07:07:41 * zoran gone to feed dragons Oct 28 07:17:35 sparr: awesome pic http://sparrsstuff.com/gallery2/d/6656-2/img_3088.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=e4842c01406e6bea705c5446938f73c8 Oct 28 07:22:04 Anybody want to work on porting arm-optimized SNES emulator to 770/N800? Oct 28 07:35:31 leg-optimized might be better Oct 28 07:35:41 I'd like to work on it, but no spare time sadly :-( Oct 28 07:51:41 neato - java http://alexander.lash.googlepages.com/n800n770work Oct 28 08:19:26 Morning, all Oct 28 08:21:07 pupnik: so many different varieties of ARM, and most optimizations arent so much for the CPU as for the supporting hardware Oct 28 08:24:39 And the number of hours you have spent learning SNES emulation = ? Oct 28 08:26:19 Sorry - anyway i don't think that's right. Oct 28 08:27:56 Big gains are achieved with ARM ASM rewrites of cores and ppu Oct 28 08:29:10 blitting to screen and sound output should be efficient, but only becomes a real issue at > 10fps Oct 28 08:47:04 learning? Oct 28 08:47:08 not sure what you mean Oct 28 08:47:35 most good SNES emulators on weak hardware make very specific use of the hardware for things like sprite and tile blitting Oct 28 08:48:04 sure, someone could write an uber all-ARM-asm implementation of that, but it would be crap compared to an emulator optimized for a specific platform Oct 28 08:48:38 and it would still only run on a particular subset of ARM chips. ARM 5? ARM 7? ARM 9? with or without THUMB? with or without the FPU? Oct 28 10:11:13 * sp3000 grumbles Oct 28 10:12:22 guess what doesn't have the right time this morning Oct 28 10:12:27 * sp3000 wonders why that is Oct 28 10:21:44 sp3000: European clocks went back last night. Oct 28 10:21:58 * Jaffa *guesses* you knew this, though Oct 28 10:22:03 right. Oct 28 10:22:50 everything else handled it Oct 28 10:22:59 * sp3000 isn't ruling out misconfiguration Oct 28 10:23:29 oh maybe everything else has the wrong time. hmm. Oct 28 10:24:22 It's currently 10:24 GMT/UTC Oct 28 10:27:36 well doh is me Oct 28 10:28:56 so everything else is wrong, instead :) Oct 28 10:29:03 that's ...a kind of encouraging Oct 28 10:30:48 that's what you get when you're not up at 3am with your machines to see them cope with a dst switch with hwclock set to local Oct 28 10:31:03 * sp3000 wonders when that last happened :) Oct 28 10:31:13 time sucks Oct 28 11:46:45 hi there..... Oct 28 11:46:56 real noob needs some help from a wise one Oct 28 11:47:10 sparr: ok Granted, I should have specified that the ARM-optimized SNES emus use ARM7 / ARM9 instructino sets. Beyond that, no target-hardware-specific acceleration has been implemented in any of them. No emulator offloads sound emulation onto a dsp. No emulator implements SNES PPU (pixel processing unit) acceleration using target-hardwar gpu acceleration (compositing/sprites). Oct 28 11:47:46 jo crazyjim Oct 28 11:47:51 hi Oct 28 11:47:51 <_Monkey> what's up, crazyjim Oct 28 11:48:10 ummmm well I got a cheap nokia 770 Oct 28 11:48:21 and I have put some apps and games on it Oct 28 11:48:28 I have an expensive one :| Oct 28 11:48:36 i need a good browser as I am having issues with some sites Oct 28 11:48:43 microb? Oct 28 11:48:44 <_Monkey> microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) Oct 28 11:48:59 minimo? Oct 28 11:48:59 <_Monkey> minimo is (Mini Mozilla) Web browser, a slimmed down version of mozilla browser aiming resource reduced devices. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/minimo/ Oct 28 11:49:02 can i run minimo .2? Oct 28 11:49:45 or is it just minimo_0.16.8-2 Oct 28 11:50:03 i did install that but found it would crash or disapear Oct 28 11:50:06 dunno - i just use opera and avoid nasty sites Oct 28 11:50:34 its sites with applets and clever stuff Oct 28 11:51:16 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9125&highlight=microb Oct 28 11:52:20 i will have a read Oct 28 11:52:34 is there anything real cool to run on your 770? Oct 28 11:52:41 like the best thing ever?? Oct 28 11:53:07 ScummVM Oct 28 11:53:07 <_Monkey> ScummVM is a program which allows you to run certain classic graphical point-and-click adventure games, provided you already have their data files. http://770.fs-security.com/scummvm/ Oct 28 11:53:12 or bash Oct 28 11:53:17 depending on your slash Oct 28 11:53:19 well . . . ash Oct 28 11:53:23 *slant Oct 28 11:54:32 thats cool... really want to get some goof flash games going but no joy Oct 28 11:54:39 summit like swords and sandals Oct 28 11:55:01 the flash games are awful slow, unique311 put together a flash games package you can download Oct 28 11:55:16 but most of them suck on 770 Oct 28 11:55:45 you have mplayer? that's a great movie player. Oct 28 11:56:20 the best :) Oct 28 11:57:03 yeah I have that Oct 28 11:57:13 what sort of res do you convert the film too? Oct 28 11:57:30 352x288? Oct 28 11:57:39 400x240 - do not exceed 240 in height Oct 28 11:57:47 mediaconverter? Oct 28 11:57:47 <_Monkey> i heard mediaconverter was a frontend to mencoder which transcodes videos to a 770 or N800 optimized format. Get it here: http://mediaconverter.garage.maemo.org/ Oct 28 12:03:20 site wont load :( Oct 28 12:05:02 garage looks down Oct 28 12:06:26 http://www.bleb.org/software/770/770-encode.pl there's the command line version Oct 28 12:06:29 770-encode? Oct 28 12:06:30 <_Monkey> hmmm... 770-encode is a perl script to transcode video to 770/N800 friendly format. Get it at http://www.bleb.org/software/770/#encode A java GUI version for win/OSX/linux can be found at http://mediaconverter.garage.maemo.org and an alternative shellscript transcoder can be found at http://www.modeemi.fi/~cosmo/projects/encode770/ Oct 28 12:08:59 * Jaffa bingles _Monkey's advertising. Oct 28 12:09:14 * zeenix notices that it's a frustrating weather in fi Oct 28 12:09:52 unfortunately, it will continue to be so for another month or two Oct 28 12:10:41 for about six months :) Oct 28 12:11:05 zeenix: that's why we invented sauna Oct 28 12:18:58 Dasajev: wrong Oct 28 12:19:05 Dasajev: it's much better when there is snow Oct 28 12:19:18 if there is Oct 28 12:19:33 suihkulokki: no! you invented sauna because you people like to be naked :) Oct 28 12:26:43 my 770 fails to update rge package list and has not done so for 2 months.... anyone else had that issue ever Oct 28 12:30:44 zeenix: is it Cold(tm) now? Oct 28 12:31:48 Robot101: not so cold but dark Oct 28 12:32:19 zeenix: did your clocks change today? Oct 28 12:36:52 Robot101: yup Oct 28 12:37:47 phew, could have got confusing otherwise :) Oct 28 12:37:54 when you convert a full film (700mb avi) what sort of size is it for Nokia 770? Oct 28 12:38:24 Robot101: ? Oct 28 12:38:43 I think the US didn't change yet? or does that only happen in spring? Oct 28 12:39:22 ~600-700MB, crazyjim Oct 28 12:40:36 really? Oct 28 12:40:41 thats massive! Oct 28 12:41:31 its half the resolution so i was thing 350/ Oct 28 12:41:53 *thinking Oct 28 12:42:39 Half the resolution, same bitrate, basically. Oct 28 12:47:17 where can i get the convertion software from as the garage site is down Oct 28 12:48:11 Dunno, but you can just use your favorite video conversion software Oct 28 12:48:20 lol.... Oct 28 12:48:30 240 max height? Oct 28 12:49:11 MPEG4 video, MP3 audio, 1000-1500Kbps 20-30fps, 400x240 (400x*** for widescreen and 320x240 for 4:3) Oct 28 12:49:30 Robot101: when is UK joining the schengen? i want to visit there for a weekend but tooo lazy to go through the visa process :( Oct 28 12:50:54 zeenix: it's we're not that likely to any time soon as far as I know, something to do with not really trusting the rest of europe to do good enough imigration control :P Oct 28 12:51:12 s/it's // Oct 28 12:51:12 Robot101 meant: zeenix: we're not that likely to any time soon as far as I know, something to do with not really trusting the rest of europe to do good enough imigration control :P Oct 28 12:51:30 and who could blame you? Oct 28 12:51:35 Just look at France. :\ Oct 28 12:52:59 GeneralAntilles: what about france? Oct 28 13:02:17 libsmbclient .. Interesting. Oct 28 13:22:02 Apparently the Bunsfield Oil Depot fire destroyed the computer system which was handling the details of Britain joining Schengen, so now it's not happening. Oct 28 13:24:19 Hahah Oct 28 13:25:05 It's little far-fetched, then you think about other Governmental computer systems... Oct 28 13:25:54 Yeah Oct 28 13:26:05 Like the farse with the NHS last year Oct 28 13:26:10 wtf.. apt-get update doesn't say there was an error but still returns != 0 and tells me to run it again to to correct the problem. what might be happening here? Oct 28 13:26:36 have you guys branched apt for maemo? Oct 28 13:26:58 Not as far as I know rafl. Oct 28 13:27:05 What does apt actually say? Oct 28 13:27:11 apt-get install -f ? Oct 28 13:28:24 the dpkg database is consistent, so -f install doesn't do anything. Oct 28 13:29:26 update just gives a few warnings wrt archive keys and then just fails. Oct 28 13:33:14 http://205.243.100.155/frames/shrinkergallery.html coin shrinking Oct 28 13:37:59 is the automatic onscreen keyboard completion hackable somehow? Oct 28 13:38:48 will os2008 reduce batterylife as it's not underclocking anymore? Oct 28 13:39:28 rafl: it'll be underclocking more ... most of the time. Oct 28 13:39:29 rafl, it shouldn't. Oct 28 13:39:50 The frequency scaling and power saving is very good in the tablets. Oct 28 13:41:17 so basically better powermanagement which allows the cpu to run at higher frequencies when needed? Oct 28 13:41:21 cool.. Oct 28 13:44:50 re Oct 28 13:45:19 if i format my mmc2 in ext2 format, after boot how to reload the ext2 module automatically ? Oct 28 14:08:59 how about an init script? Oct 28 14:12:14 uh.. garage refuses to work :-/ Oct 28 14:31:44 mmm Oct 28 14:32:11 after latest firmare i'm unable to load ext2 module... Oct 28 14:32:25 device/os? Oct 28 14:32:43 it report "Unknown symbol in module (-1):no such file o directory Oct 28 14:33:14 n800/2007.38.2 Oct 28 14:33:26 do you have ext2.ko in current? Oct 28 14:33:30 no Oct 28 14:33:34 ah! Oct 28 14:33:58 ext3? Oct 28 14:34:07 '/mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18ecc.... Oct 28 14:34:19 list it Oct 28 14:34:20 i have not current Oct 28 14:34:24 dunno why Oct 28 14:34:35 what is in 2.6.18... ? Oct 28 14:35:19 insmod /mnt/initfs/lib/modules/2.6.18-omap1/ext2.ko Oct 28 14:36:03 you read my minds Oct 28 14:36:50 ext2 and 3 modules does exists Oct 28 14:37:34 also bnep module is gone, so no PAN connections... Oct 28 14:37:55 loading manualy would give the answer Oct 28 14:39:31 hola Oct 28 14:39:31 <_Monkey> bonjour, zpol Oct 28 14:40:00 Hola, zpol . Oct 28 14:40:12 ciao zpol Oct 28 14:40:12 _Monkey speaks even swiss language Oct 28 14:40:13 <_Monkey> zoran: i'm not following you... Oct 28 14:40:40 _Monkey got R2D2 extension Oct 28 14:40:40 <_Monkey> zoran: what? Oct 28 14:40:59 heya L0c-[N800] DRoBeR Oct 28 14:46:35 can i adjust the onscreen keyboards size? Oct 28 14:48:13 Why would you want to? Oct 28 14:50:51 because i prefer to see more of the actual application. Oct 28 15:02:38 For those who haven't seen mediaserv in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBmU_I_FlXc Oct 28 15:05:10 very fast startup time Oct 28 15:05:19 is that family guy thing transcoded? Oct 28 15:05:52 anyone wanna buy me a n810... Oct 28 15:06:06 Yeah, mediaserv is wonderfully fantastic. :) Oct 28 15:06:07 The source is DVD rip at 720x576 at ~1000kbps video bitrate and 192kbps audio on a 1GHz VIA C3 processor. Oct 28 15:06:59 Jaffa: fulls creen would be nice Oct 28 15:07:29 Press the full screen key: it's the standard media player (or mplayer, depending on how you've configured your web browser and/or Video Center) Oct 28 15:08:24 i don't see how it starts the transcoding so fast. must have a small buffer on the server side. Oct 28 15:08:55 Buffer size is configurable, defaults to 2 seconds. Oct 28 15:09:30 That's 770-encode's "average" preset too. Oct 28 15:10:07 hrm.. mediaserv <3 Oct 28 15:17:03 i wonder how hard it would be to set up a crosscompilation environment without scratchbox. it's constantly biting me.. Oct 28 15:19:20 LD_PRELOAD, LD_LIBRARY_PATH, PATH, ... it's just insane :-/ Oct 28 15:20:07 i never mess with default scratchbox ld environment Oct 28 15:20:16 esp. that libresolv hack bugs me. Oct 28 15:21:07 well.. i'd like to not mess with it, but i want my things to be ported.. Oct 28 15:21:57 i wonder if sb2 would be better. at least it sounds less insane. Oct 28 15:22:09 i just mentioned this because it might be informative to know that pupnik does not need to mess with these things to compile many programs Oct 28 15:22:46 rafl: sb1 "works" for current stuff, so nobody bothers working on sb2 rulesets Oct 28 15:23:24 i got your point, but my apps seem to have weird build systems Oct 28 15:23:37 what apps? Oct 28 15:23:37 <_Monkey> apps are small Oct 28 15:23:57 fuck _Monkey Oct 28 15:24:03 like things depending on perl. Oct 28 15:24:41 that's tricky Oct 28 15:24:54 you really want to use host perl for most stuff Oct 28 15:25:16 so it needs to be figured out when you actually need the target perl Oct 28 15:25:24 perl could be life saving for development Oct 28 15:25:29 indeed. i got it working but it required lots of hacks. Oct 28 15:26:01 with perl and python, no need for sb Oct 28 15:26:19 zoran: eh? Oct 28 15:26:35 it is ascii Oct 28 15:26:57 there is still lots of perl/python modules compiled in c Oct 28 15:27:01 just copy needed libs or modules from desktip Oct 28 15:27:20 suihkulokki, correct Oct 28 15:29:32 getting xs (i.e. compiled) modules working wasn't that hard Oct 28 15:30:27 other apps with unflexible build systems linking against shared perl are hard. Oct 28 15:32:41 vim, for example. Oct 28 15:32:52 ? Oct 28 15:33:36 you already have vi Oct 28 15:34:25 sure, I do. Oct 28 15:34:34 and I want vim with embedded perl. Oct 28 15:34:38 ah Oct 28 15:37:09 and I think I got that now Oct 28 15:37:16 that and vim-gkt Oct 28 15:37:18 *gtk Oct 28 15:47:17 whatś´the secret to getting screen on the n800? Oct 28 15:47:31 bah, silly bt keyboard Oct 28 15:47:55 looks like it requires debconf, but we only get fakedebconf Oct 28 15:47:59 screen for more then one shell? Oct 28 15:48:09 correct Oct 28 15:48:32 does apt-get help? Oct 28 15:48:46 like I said ^ Oct 28 15:50:42 macluvjay, I installed it on 770 with no hiss, but cannot recall deps Oct 28 15:51:24 aww.. die scratchbox! die! Oct 28 15:51:32 buggy python wrapper around chmod :-( Oct 28 15:51:47 bad wizard takes all Oct 28 15:51:57 apt-cache show debconf only returns fakedebconf Oct 28 15:52:36 I took bin file and just followed, what app manager asked Oct 28 15:52:53 macluvjay: screen from where? Oct 28 15:52:55 could be diff for your device Oct 28 15:53:11 oh, nm Oct 28 15:53:22 * sp3000 missed the pre-depends line Oct 28 15:53:24 apt-get install screen returns screen: PreDepends: debconf (>= debconf 0.2.17 Oct 28 15:54:00