**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 30 02:59:56 2007 Oct 30 03:08:06 ummmm... where can I find synergy? Oct 30 03:08:07 <_Monkey> synergy is mouse and keyboard sharing between computer and tablet: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/ https://garage.maemo.org/projects/unique311/ and for 770 http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb Oct 30 03:08:16 ah. danke. Oct 30 03:34:54 Hmmm. I don't suppose that any of you know anything about hacking motorola phones? ^^; Oct 30 03:35:01 'Cos I think I just fecked mine up. Oct 30 03:41:55 quicksynergy rocks Oct 30 03:42:03 <|R> :) Oct 30 03:42:12 <|R> got a mouse pointer showing up? Oct 30 03:42:16 why the F aren't those packages in the main repo? Oct 30 03:42:37 no, but I'm using my wireless USB keyboard with my tablet. that's cool Oct 30 03:42:48 <|R> yeah, my main complain is that packages are all over the place... we need a debian-maemo or something ;) Oct 30 03:43:00 <|R> hehe Oct 30 03:43:22 those packages just need to be repackaged for bora and we'd be ok. Oct 30 03:43:33 you gotta dpkg -i to install them currently. Oct 30 03:43:37 <|R> yep Oct 30 03:43:46 <|R> (Actually i've installed most things that way :P) Oct 30 03:44:16 I want to use my tablet as a synaptic touch pad (relative mouse movement pad, like on a laptop) Oct 30 03:44:52 <|R> that would be cool :) Oct 30 03:45:36 <|R> Right now i have one (or maybe two) problems... getting rtcomm to go over my ssh -w (tunnel) and two (if it's needed) to get NAT working to nat the destination so it would work ;) Oct 30 03:46:06 <|R> maximCT got it working 4-5 days ago and i haven't heard about him since :( Oct 30 03:46:08 mmmm. my problem with rtcomm is that it is non-asterisk compliant. that's gay. Oct 30 03:46:23 <|R> what do you mean by non-asterisk? Oct 30 03:46:36 fails to re-register. Oct 30 03:46:45 Asterisk as in the PBX. Oct 30 03:47:14 <|R> oh, even with the option of registration frequency or ... can't remember the name? Oct 30 03:47:25 <|R> i got it connecting to my asterisk but didn't test it long enougth yet for that :) Oct 30 03:47:43 yeah. it's fubar. I talked to the devs, ran their tests, and even submitted a bug in their tracker. Oct 30 03:47:50 <|R> Keep-alive frequency Oct 30 03:48:01 <|R> ok Oct 30 03:48:09 no luck though. it's a bug in the sofia-SIP stack, so they have to get it fixed upstream. Oct 30 03:48:11 <|R> Anyone commented on OS2008/rtcomm yet? Oct 30 03:48:25 haven't heard anything, no. Oct 30 03:48:42 <|R> it doesn't support md5secret= either :/ Oct 30 03:49:03 lots of unsupported fields, I think. Oct 30 03:49:16 kinda minimalistic. Oct 30 03:49:26 <|R> yeah... Oct 30 03:49:52 <|R> well, at least it works if needed quickly, i'll have to run more test though... re-registration makes it dies when not in conversations? Oct 30 03:49:55 <|R> or even when talking? Oct 30 03:52:28 even when talking Oct 30 03:52:32 no Oct 30 03:52:39 yeah, just when idle Oct 30 03:53:04 you can always make calls, but you can't receive them after the re-register timeout. Oct 30 03:53:09 <|R> ok Oct 30 03:53:43 <|R> i dont get what is the authentication user name / password in the advanced options... Oct 30 03:54:55 Anyone running gnumeric successfully? Oct 30 03:55:20 |R: for the proxy maybe? I don't get it either. Oct 30 03:56:02 <|R> trevarthan : how long before it times out usually? (I just connected to see...) Oct 30 03:56:12 <|R> (with a keep-alive of 1) Oct 30 03:59:48 |R: it'll timeout in like 1 second I think. Oct 30 03:59:59 I think the default is 60 seconds. not sure. Oct 30 04:00:17 <|R> so you can never get calls?! Oct 30 04:03:59 set the timeout arbitrarily high, like 120s Oct 30 04:04:21 I need this: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/xkbd-bthid/ Oct 30 04:04:26 but for a mouse. Oct 30 04:13:51 hmmmm... I bet I can use that to type text messages on my phone. sweet! Oct 30 04:42:02 hi pupnik Oct 30 04:42:16 This guy on ITT arguing for shortwave and a thermometer baffles me. Oct 30 04:42:33 GeneralAntilles: can I see the URL please? Oct 30 04:42:57 Starts around the page 5 or 6 in this thread: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=88537#post88537 Oct 30 04:43:30 Eee pc will sport touchscreen or not? Oct 30 04:44:16 Eee PC seems like a waste of money with the same resolution as the N800 at almost twice the screen size. Oct 30 04:45:38 200 Oct 30 04:45:45 thats not money. Oct 30 04:46:03 ;) Oct 30 04:46:04 the TV/MythTV box that I'm typing this on has a lower resolution than my n800. Oct 30 04:46:18 740x456 or something. NTSC. Oct 30 04:46:31 hey whats up trevarthan. Oct 30 04:46:42 and the TV is a LOT bigger than my n800. :) Oct 30 04:46:49 hey unique311. what's up? Oct 30 04:46:56 nothing. Oct 30 04:47:03 looking for a new toy on ebay.. Oct 30 04:47:14 can't wait for the n810? Oct 30 04:48:32 holding out...too much for pretty much a keyboard addon... Oct 30 04:49:19 * GeneralAntilles wants his OMAP 3430 Oct 30 04:49:22 sunlight readable screen + GPS makes it worth it for me. Oct 30 04:49:23 Haha, the N800 apparently does actually work to play Nanaca crash... albeit somewhat awkwardly. :D Oct 30 04:49:36 you are a dev and most like will get a nice discount on you purchase.. Oct 30 04:49:48 yeah. hope so. Oct 30 04:50:00 hope so.. Oct 30 04:50:10 I'd probably buy one outright even if I didn't though. Oct 30 04:50:38 but I'm stupid like that. :) Oct 30 04:50:55 <|R> :) Oct 30 04:51:13 gps... Oct 30 04:51:13 <_Monkey> gps is nice, though Oct 30 04:51:35 hey milhouse Oct 30 04:51:36 <_Monkey> somebody said milhouse was the owner of _monkey Oct 30 04:51:44 gay Oct 30 04:51:54 gay is _Monkey Oct 30 04:51:55 hmm, thought pupnik was your owner Oct 30 04:52:01 gay Oct 30 04:52:06 aw Oct 30 04:53:13 man. I set out tonight to code coverflow in Kagu, then I got all distracted by shiny stuff. Oct 30 04:53:44 oh well. probably couldn't have coded it in one night anyway Oct 30 04:53:47 did you get steve's permission? Oct 30 04:54:18 didn't know I needed it. Oct 30 04:54:35 it's just a freakin' scrolling album art screen. it's not complicated. Oct 30 04:54:49 coverflow is not apple's property. Oct 30 04:55:24 It might be fun to get sued over something like that anyway. Oct 30 04:55:51 Ha Oct 30 04:56:05 Nokia should pay me to duplicate Apple ideas on the n800 in python and get sued for it. that would be cool. Oct 30 04:57:06 would be cool to play with....will this be for the next release of kagu? Oct 30 04:58:09 * sciboy yawns. Oct 30 04:58:13 maybe. dunno Oct 30 04:58:28 :) sciboy: not a kagu fan? Oct 30 04:59:35 sciboy is bored.. Oct 30 04:59:56 I'm officially a Violent Femmes addict now. Oct 30 05:00:10 I need to get more of their CDs Oct 30 05:00:19 a thread on IT discussing why on the new n810 page kagu is not featured, and ukmp is.. Oct 30 05:00:37 yeah, like, kontori works for nokia? Oct 30 05:00:48 yeah Oct 30 05:01:02 and also python 2.4 is still the default in chinook, I think. Oct 30 05:01:14 kagu still requires 2.5 Oct 30 05:01:41 Nah I'm not bored, just woke up. Oct 30 05:01:52 ukmp does movies. Oct 30 05:02:15 * trevarthan shrugs Oct 30 05:02:37 kagu would do movies if someone really wanted it to. Oct 30 05:02:49 doesn't seem to be a whole lot of interest in it. Oct 30 05:03:16 I personally don't watch movies on my n800 much. Oct 30 05:03:38 gave up on that also. Oct 30 05:03:53 transcoding just takes too long. it's a pain. Oct 30 05:03:58 not a big fan of having to use software to encode... Oct 30 05:04:04 mediaserv . . . Oct 30 05:04:10 lol Oct 30 05:04:14 It's fantastical. Oct 30 05:04:26 I'll watch a lot more when the CPU gets bumped to 400mhz and we can watch youtube. Oct 30 05:04:35 i told GeneralAntilles this last night.. Oct 30 05:04:37 i think Oct 30 05:04:49 ipod video...tis the way to go.. Oct 30 05:05:04 Maybe once the SDK gets going. Oct 30 05:05:10 I never liked my ipod video much either though. Oct 30 05:05:14 But without a hi-res screen, it's kinda a one-trick pony. Oct 30 05:05:28 very true.. Oct 30 05:05:30 iPod Touch, that is. Oct 30 05:05:32 yeah. I prefer watching video on my big ass screen. Oct 30 05:05:42 but when you hold that thing really close to your face.. Oct 30 05:05:42 The screen on the video is just plain too small. Oct 30 05:05:47 and bump up the sound... Oct 30 05:05:48 like, a TV or something. Oct 30 05:05:54 movie theaters... Oct 30 05:05:58 lol Oct 30 05:06:01 now you're talking Oct 30 05:06:18 2 inches away from your face.. Oct 30 05:06:18 stick a movie theatre in my pocket and then we'll talk Oct 30 05:06:31 stadium seating and all. Oct 30 05:06:44 Marry Poppins Oct 30 05:08:01 well, I'm off to bed. 1am here. Oct 30 05:08:18 night trev Oct 30 05:08:18 night folks Oct 30 06:02:29 mornink Oct 30 07:21:59 That should stop X from segfaulting. =/ Oct 30 07:25:57 On It's not a phone?! "I have a phone, small and cheap which I constantly drop, forget at home, or lose. last thing i want to do is bust out this brick to make a phonecall at a club and have it fall to the ground in my drunken haze. which is the reason why i'm glad it's not a phone." - kingka Oct 30 07:26:12 ") Oct 30 07:26:16 heh, true words Oct 30 07:27:33 pupnik, Turns out the N800 has hardware virtual float. Oct 30 07:27:52 VFP? Oct 30 07:27:53 <_Monkey> VFP is a specific floating point instruction set used by ARM Oct 30 07:28:13 yes Oct 30 07:30:56 http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/benchmarks/N800-fp-tests.txt Oct 30 07:31:18 For what you wanting FP? Oct 30 07:31:28 3D Oct 30 08:10:54 SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 26 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Nokia today announced that the Nokia N810 Internet Tablet, the newest device in the company's Nseries line, was honored with LAPTOP's Best of CTIA Award in the Best Overall Product category at the CTIA Wireless IT & Entertainment 2007 Show. Oct 30 08:11:00 http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/prnewswire/LAF07326102007-1.htm Oct 30 08:12:33 pupnik: Old news ;) Oct 30 08:12:52 But good news though.. Oct 30 08:39:41 is it normal that there are no applications but the control center and some hello gtk app, after running maemo-scratchbox-install_4.0beta.sh and maemo-sdk-install_4.0beta.sh? Oct 30 08:40:06 tbf, it is normal. Oct 30 08:40:39 czr: ah, ok. already thought i'd have messed up somewhere Oct 30 08:41:12 tbf, yup. the SDK is meant for building software. nothing much else :-) Oct 30 08:46:08 hi there... i have a little dependency problem in my scratchbox / maemo 3.2 Oct 30 08:46:35 i need SDL_rotozoom.h wich is in libsdl-gfx Oct 30 08:46:40 (i think) Oct 30 08:46:53 but apt-cache search sdl tells me there is no such package Oct 30 08:47:02 what to do? Oct 30 08:47:59 daef: maybe you have to do a apt-get update to refresh your repository index Oct 30 08:48:10 i did... Oct 30 08:48:24 no problems with the repository.maemo.org bora stuff Oct 30 08:48:29 which repositories are in your sources.list? Oct 30 08:49:52 w8 Oct 30 08:51:00 where to dump?? Oct 30 08:51:12 wich pastebin to use? Oct 30 08:51:35 the one you prefer Oct 30 08:52:08 http://pastebin.com/m42087814 Oct 30 08:52:30 basically bora free non-free + nokia binaries Oct 30 08:55:26 you are missing the extras repository Oct 30 08:55:35 which is?? Oct 30 08:55:37 sry Oct 30 08:55:52 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free non-free Oct 30 08:56:01 ty Oct 30 09:02:51 but the package isn't there neither.... Oct 30 09:04:22 my normal debian-repo's know the package libsdk-gfx - maemo's don't?!?! Oct 30 09:06:47 Morning, all Oct 30 09:07:59 Brb, trying to get the nvidia drivers on my PC working. Oct 30 09:08:44 daef: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/s/sdlgfx/ Oct 30 09:09:11 why don't i see it after apt-get update?? Oct 30 09:09:14 i don't get it! Oct 30 09:12:01 the extras repo is the first entry in my sources.list - apt-get update doesn't complain about anything - but apt-cache search gfx does not return even one package.... Oct 30 09:12:03 :/ Oct 30 09:13:14 apt-cache search rotozoom? Oct 30 09:18:11 rotozoom is a headerfile inside the libsdl-gfx-dev package... Oct 30 09:18:53 more exact: i need SDL_rotozoom.h and SDL_gfxPrimitives.h Oct 30 09:21:48 i tried "wget -O- http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/free/binary-armel/Packages 2>/dev/null | grep gfx | grep ^Package" now - the packages are listed in the Packages file!!! Oct 30 09:22:54 ah... it is only in binary-armel - not in binary-i386 Oct 30 09:23:32 ah, ok Oct 30 09:23:41 i tried on a real IT Oct 30 09:23:41 so what to do? Oct 30 09:23:52 ?? a real IT ?? Oct 30 09:24:04 internet tablet Oct 30 09:24:33 but i thought the tablets only have the armel sources?!? Oct 30 09:24:41 ah... ok Oct 30 09:24:45 my fault! Oct 30 09:25:03 so how do i get that cr**py package for my X86 target?? Oct 30 09:33:44 anyone an idea? Oct 30 09:33:57 * daef excuses himself for his bad english... Oct 30 09:36:14 .... help .... Oct 30 09:36:24 no idea Oct 30 09:36:31 i never used scratchbox Oct 30 09:39:44 bon dia/good morning Oct 30 09:41:21 AD-N770: From Catalonia? Oct 30 09:41:46 Veggen: yes Oct 30 09:42:39 No, I don't know anything else catalan than "bon dia" :) Oct 30 10:05:09 Yay Oct 30 10:05:11 daef, apt-get source it and build with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b -uc -us Oct 30 10:11:37 hi Oct 30 10:11:38 <_Monkey> what's up, akai--- Oct 30 10:15:55 does ext3 work at all in maemo? Oct 30 10:17:40 inz: thanks - but i just work in the armel target now - and test the app directly on the n800... Oct 30 10:18:11 so i don't have to care about '2' environments (both targets) and just worry about the ARMEL target - where everything works fine!! Oct 30 10:20:20 akai---: maybe you'll have to build some modules for ext3 *fg* Oct 30 10:20:46 daef, with sdl (especially sdlgfx) it's better to test on the device Oct 30 10:20:55 so i do ;) Oct 30 10:22:14 inz: what about debugging on the device?? is there a universally valid way to get debugging-info's from the n800 to my local valgrind or stuff like?! Oct 30 10:26:10 daef, valgrind is x86 only, so no :( Oct 30 10:26:22 or any other debugging possibilities?! Oct 30 10:26:43 daef, gdb should work on the device, although not perfectly Oct 30 10:26:57 so gdb runs ON the device?? Oct 30 10:27:02 Sure Oct 30 10:27:08 never thought about it that way.... Oct 30 10:27:12 * sciboy pulls out his Quake 2 cd, and tries to find the files for Quetoo Oct 30 10:27:32 But unless you have enough -dbg packages, the backtraces may not be sane Oct 30 10:27:43 alway thought i have to "secure remote attatch" to the process Oct 30 10:28:06 now i get a little segfault when using sdl *fg* Oct 30 10:29:34 Brb Oct 30 10:31:29 n800 resolution is 800x480 - isnt it? Oct 30 10:32:00 yes Oct 30 10:34:59 daef: what are you trying to develop? Oct 30 10:35:36 * sciboy stretches and yawns. Oct 30 10:36:17 mik_: software for disableds Oct 30 10:36:55 mik_: http://tinyurl.com/2p7z5g Oct 30 10:38:12 valgrind also supports powerpc, according to its home page Oct 30 10:39:05 an arm port is "low priority" Oct 30 10:40:36 daef: cool, my brother is currently writing his diploma thesis about a similar theme Oct 30 10:40:54 nice Oct 30 10:47:55 http://pupnik.de/deps/libsdl-gfx1.2-dev_2.0.13-3_armel.deb Oct 30 10:48:09 oh you want 386 - silly Oct 30 10:48:46 already working with the armel one - otherwise i would compile it from source - like inz said! Oct 30 10:50:13 what are you working on daef ? Oct 30 10:50:24 http://tinyurl.com/2p7z5g Oct 30 10:50:58 nice Oct 30 10:51:01 y Oct 30 10:51:35 g2g... maybe i'll check back later!! Oct 30 10:51:39 that should get an award Oct 30 10:51:40 cheers Oct 30 10:52:09 * daef parts away as fast as a ..... ?? fast-away-parting-person... Oct 30 10:57:04 the n800 is a friendlier looking device than their other unit :) http://qurl.org/hT Oct 30 10:57:57 Ha. That looks . . . medieval. Oct 30 10:59:25 klingon even Oct 30 11:00:10 interesting to see three people doing medical applications today Oct 30 11:00:59 Wiiiiii Oct 30 11:02:57 would someone be able to tell me if /etc/resolv.conf should be a symlink to somewhere? Oct 30 11:03:04 i've overwritten it by mistake :/ Oct 30 11:03:44 It's not a symlink afaik Oct 30 11:03:45 is a regular file Oct 30 11:03:55 heh i broke something else then Oct 30 11:03:57 thanks Oct 30 11:34:46 morning Oct 30 11:34:46 <_Monkey> aloha Oct 30 11:36:33 good morning Oct 30 11:42:04 Hi Oct 30 11:42:33 did you get your engine to compile then sciboy? Oct 30 11:42:39 hi florian Oct 30 11:42:45 I loaded it up with rocket fuel Oct 30 11:43:25 * lardman wonders whether 3D engines work better with rocket fuel Oct 30 11:44:38 Better than regular unleaded that's for sure. Oct 30 11:44:52 :) Oct 30 11:53:57 tar xzvf maemo-sdk-rootstrap_3.1_armel.tgz returns with "tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors", what could be the problem? Oct 30 11:59:34 mbuf: tar -xzfv ? Oct 30 12:00:59 jj-, you don't need the - with GNU tar. Oct 30 12:01:08 since x is not really an option. Oct 30 12:01:29 mbuf, check for error messages Oct 30 12:01:42 mbuf, or add 2> /tmp/errors.txt and inspect that file after running tar Oct 30 12:01:56 the error message is probably "lost" somewhere in the listing produces with -v Oct 30 12:02:03 produced even. and s/-//. Oct 30 12:03:33 czr, lot of "Cannot mknod: Operation not permitted" messages Oct 30 12:03:46 czr, use sudo? Oct 30 12:04:02 mbuf, what exactly are you trying to do? Oct 30 12:04:15 czr, extract it to a maemo-root directory Oct 30 12:04:22 i.e., why aren't you installing it with the script? Oct 30 12:04:35 czr, trying scratchbox2 Oct 30 12:04:50 czr, sudo tar xzvf ...tar.gz worked Oct 30 12:05:03 hmm. not sure what the proper way of doing it would be then. sudo would work but not sure whether using fakeroot would've been better Oct 30 12:05:37 czr, i am trying this, http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=sbox2.git;a=blob;hb=HEAD;f=README Oct 30 12:06:23 mbuf, "good" for you? "This is development code, it is broken. " :-) Oct 30 12:06:37 czr, hehe, ok Oct 30 12:08:54 mbuf: you can ignore the error from tar Oct 30 12:09:43 suihkulokki, ok Oct 30 12:09:44 mbuf: you just can't make device nodes as regular user (it's not related to sbox in any way) Oct 30 12:09:51 suihkulokki, sure Oct 30 12:17:19 hi i wastrying to install the chinook beta scratchbox and it complains about my kernel module binfmt_misc not being loaded Oct 30 12:17:23 so i loaded it Oct 30 12:17:37 it is still complaining about it, and noticed it is looking for a file in /proc Oct 30 12:17:40 which i don't have Oct 30 12:17:45 any ideas why? Oct 30 12:19:41 zaheerm, why you don't have /proc? :-) Oct 30 12:19:47 Tomorrow is Self-portrait day! Oct 30 12:19:52 i have /proc Oct 30 12:19:58 just not that file it looks fort Oct 30 12:20:14 zaheerm, which file is that? /proc/modules? Oct 30 12:21:37 it is /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc Oct 30 12:23:26 zaheerm, lsmod | grep binfmt shows what? Oct 30 12:23:41 lsmod | grep binfmt Oct 30 12:23:41 binfmt_misc 11656 0 Oct 30 12:23:56 which distro/kernel are you running? Oct 30 12:24:03 2.6.23 Oct 30 12:24:05 gentoo Oct 30 12:24:06 <_Monkey> hmmm... gentoo is not good for anything, imho. It wasted many hours of lle2's life for no good reason. Oct 30 12:24:13 hah, I almost knew it Oct 30 12:24:21 and for once, monkey is useful too. Oct 30 12:24:23 haha no need to laugh Oct 30 12:24:34 i am actually a gentoo dev Oct 30 12:24:42 you've probably disabled the "deprecated sysfs entries" or smt like that Oct 30 12:24:51 aah yes Oct 30 12:24:54 i think i did Oct 30 12:25:12 not 100% sure whether they'd affect binfmt, but that's what I'd try first Oct 30 12:25:24 the correct fix would be fixing the installation scripts to cope with the situation though Oct 30 12:25:31 they're looking in places which are obsolete Oct 30 12:25:51 yah Oct 30 12:25:59 so you might try to locate the same info under /sys somewhere, and then file a bug report against the install scripts Oct 30 12:26:07 yah i'll do that Oct 30 12:26:12 if you manage to find something which looks more or less like it's supposed to Oct 30 12:26:38 sys/module/binfmt_misc Oct 30 12:26:51 is that a directory or a file? Oct 30 12:26:52 cat /sys/module/binfmt_misc/initstate Oct 30 12:26:52 live Oct 30 12:27:04 can you pastebin ls -l of it? Oct 30 12:27:05 that's a dir but the initstate inside it is a file Oct 30 12:27:14 or it only has initstate? Oct 30 12:27:22 no it has more Oct 30 12:27:40 what should be in /etc/apt/sources.list file to use Bora packages? Using Debian Etch Oct 30 12:27:50 should have 'register' and 'status' at least. at least with proc. those are used to control binfmt Oct 30 12:28:08 http://rafb.net/p/OSQ3oc76.html Oct 30 12:28:26 zaheerm, yup. it's not the right place then Oct 30 12:28:27 aah ok Oct 30 12:28:35 that only contains the generic module stuff (all modules have those) Oct 30 12:29:04 nothing in sys has binfmt except that place Oct 30 12:29:21 zaheerm, hmm. maybe binfmt is broken in .23 Oct 30 12:29:24 FWIW, scratchbox assumes it's under proc (see /scratchbox/sbin/register_misc_runner) Oct 30 12:29:59 yah but in a location that doesn't exist for my kernel Oct 30 12:30:33 let me check the docs Oct 30 12:30:54 fuck Oct 30 12:31:00 i am meant to do this: mount binfmt_misc -t binfmt_misc /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc Oct 30 12:31:07 :) Oct 30 12:31:12 heh Oct 30 12:31:24 that pretty much explains it then ;-) Oct 30 12:32:26 my init scripts probably do this Oct 30 12:33:05 yep Oct 30 12:40:38 why do i get this error when i do "sb2 apt-get source fontconfig", http://pastebin.ca/755028 Oct 30 12:43:46 * Tak futz with app catalog Oct 30 12:50:10 http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/INSTALL.txt Oct 30 12:50:49 fixed, repository had to be in scratchbox target ARMEL etc/apt/sources.list Oct 30 12:55:17 hi there again Oct 30 12:55:19 ! Oct 30 12:56:35 is the standard sqlite3 from the repo damaged?? when creating the second table in an empty test.db i get an error - when apt-get source'ing and compiling it myself it works Oct 30 12:57:09 (scratchbox-maemo-3.2-arm-target-qemu) Oct 30 13:01:17 Hi all :) Oct 30 13:01:23 hi Oct 30 13:13:05 * Tak laughs evilly - http://pastie.textmate.org/112305 Oct 30 13:13:08 does anyone know how to read battery state and AC-adapter state from the n800? Oct 30 13:13:47 daef, by using undocumented d-bus calls into proprietary software ;-) Oct 30 13:13:51 Tak: what is funny on that paste?? (i may be too dumb to get the point) Oct 30 13:14:08 czr: and these undocumentet calls are documentet where? Oct 30 13:14:18 s/tet/ted/g Oct 30 13:14:18 daef meant: czr: and these undocumented calls are documented where? Oct 30 13:14:21 daef, I'd assume Nokia has some docs on them. or maybe not even them. Oct 30 13:14:26 * czr shrugs Oct 30 13:14:44 you get a signal when the ac state changes though, you can see it on the system bus with dbus-monitor Oct 30 13:15:05 but as to getting the state when your program starts for example, I do not know. Oct 30 13:15:08 can't i simply query a dumb file? Oct 30 13:15:19 where 1 means on AC and 0 means on battery?? Oct 30 13:15:20 well, if you find one Oct 30 13:15:24 as stupid as that? Oct 30 13:15:40 let's give it a look Oct 30 13:16:17 daef: nothing particularly - I'm just inordinately excited at parsing the vkb Oct 30 13:16:30 Tak: kk Oct 30 13:16:32 ;) Oct 30 13:17:42 Tak, are you going to make a console vkb?-) Oct 30 13:21:19 somehow the app in the upper right corner has to query the bat-state and ac-state.... Oct 30 13:21:31 where do i get that source!? Oct 30 13:21:49 It's binary-only, afaik. Oct 30 13:21:53 inz: I'm looking at making a vkb in rubygame Oct 30 13:22:06 i thought the whole platform is open Oct 30 13:22:08 ?!?! Oct 30 13:22:18 Whatever gave you that idea? Oct 30 13:24:13 the kernel source is available - so i thought the nokia binaries are open too.... Oct 30 13:24:24 ..thought with some restricted licenses.... but open Oct 30 13:25:24 Nope, sorry. :) Oct 30 13:25:31 pigcr*p Oct 30 13:25:41 hi all Oct 30 13:25:44 s/*/A/g Oct 30 13:25:45 daef meant: pigcrAp Oct 30 13:25:56 infobot: i love you! Oct 30 13:25:56 You love you!? Oct 30 13:26:06 infobot: no Oct 30 13:26:06 YES Oct 30 13:26:14 infobot: who programmed you Oct 30 13:26:36 infobot: who programmed you? Oct 30 13:26:45 infobot: self destruct! Oct 30 13:27:19 infobot: infobot loves infobot? Oct 30 13:27:41 infobot: Okko is stupid - isn't he Oct 30 13:27:42 okay, daef Oct 30 13:27:45 lol Oct 30 13:27:55 Okko: scnr Oct 30 13:27:57 it's clearly in your control Oct 30 13:28:09 infobot: Okko Oct 30 13:28:10 well, okko is stupid - isn't he Oct 30 13:28:10 <_Monkey> i already had it that way, infobot. Oct 30 13:28:12 infobot: take it back! Oct 30 13:28:37 infobot: _Monkey is cool, isn't he? Oct 30 13:28:39 daef: okay Oct 30 13:28:43 infobot: _Monkey Oct 30 13:28:43 <_Monkey> i think i am an annoying bot Oct 30 13:28:44 _monkey is, like, cool, isn't he? Oct 30 13:28:51 loool Oct 30 13:28:55 i like infobot Oct 30 13:30:51 hola Oct 30 13:31:11 hi lopz Oct 30 13:31:19 heya erstazi Oct 30 13:31:20 <_Monkey> erstazi is sure there is a tutorial out there for that Oct 30 13:31:31 xD Oct 30 13:31:53 _Monkey: forget erstazi Oct 30 13:31:54 <_Monkey> erstazi: I forgot erstazi Oct 30 13:31:55 homebrew wlan antennae: relevant to my interests Oct 30 13:32:18 pupnik: my new WRT54GL is coming in the mail (: Oct 30 13:32:57 this is the hackable linux one? Oct 30 13:33:01 pupnik: but, do you have an URL for a homebrew wlan antennae? Oct 30 13:33:09 pupnik: yes, that is correct Oct 30 13:33:13 http://www.dl7afb.homepage.t-online.de/projects/DECT-WIFI-Antennas.htm german sorry Oct 30 13:33:20 links at bottom Oct 30 13:33:38 the L in GL stands for linux Oct 30 13:33:41 pupnik: I can read some Deutsch (: Oct 30 13:33:50 i think ddwrt is the best firmware for the wrt Oct 30 13:34:19 but thats a religious question to flame about... like kde vs xfce vs fluxbox vs gnome Oct 30 13:34:22 2.4ghz do not liek steel-reinforced concrete Oct 30 13:34:28 and m$ vs *nix Oct 30 13:35:04 so - does anyone know a 'simple' way to query the n800's battery state? Oct 30 13:35:12 infobot: do you know anything about that? Oct 30 13:35:13 yes, I know anything about that. Oct 30 13:35:47 infobot: you kick ass! Oct 30 13:35:48 yep, I sure do. Oct 30 13:35:53 daef: dd-wrt is nice, I might try openwrt as well Oct 30 13:35:55 I have a problem Oct 30 13:36:03 hi Rothiel Oct 30 13:36:05 I wanna update to sdk 3.2 Oct 30 13:36:06 erstazi: openwrt is kinda - childish Oct 30 13:36:09 but Oct 30 13:36:10 hi erstazi Oct 30 13:36:12 daef: haha Oct 30 13:36:13 Could not resolve 'repository.maemo.org' Oct 30 13:36:15 ;( Oct 30 13:36:20 Rothiel: have a lot of fun Oct 30 13:36:21 it's me ? Oct 30 13:36:25 check your /ets/resolv.conf Oct 30 13:36:36 and check your /etc/nsswitch.conf Oct 30 13:36:43 inside the scratchbox Oct 30 13:36:45 daef: honestly, with time constraints, I might just end up with dd-wrt Oct 30 13:36:55 And also /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf Oct 30 13:36:58 check your /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf Oct 30 13:37:02 inz: yes Oct 30 13:37:28 I'm on it Oct 30 13:37:32 Rothiel: pray to god and do some voodoo rituals Oct 30 13:37:44 pupnik: which one (antennae) are you doing? Oct 30 13:37:55 Rothiel: maybe drink the blood of one or two chickins' Oct 30 13:37:58 haha Oct 30 13:38:38 192.168.1.1... It is'nt the goop ip ? Oct 30 13:38:41 infobot: what do you know about me Oct 30 13:38:42 * infobot do you know about me to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion Oct 30 13:39:12 Rothiel: are you seriously asking us about a 192.168.*.* ip?? Oct 30 13:39:33 that's like asking petrus if 'markus' is here already - there might be more than one Oct 30 13:40:07 diff the file with your host's /etc/resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf Oct 30 13:41:54 I'm a noob Oct 30 13:42:07 (to explain my last question ^^) Oct 30 13:42:35 Rothiel: usually, thats the internal IP of your network Oct 30 13:43:06 and what I mean by "usually," its around,... mmm 99.9% Oct 30 13:43:20 shame on me ;__; Oct 30 13:43:36 Rothiel: read following RFC's: 791-793, 826, 894, 2131 Oct 30 13:43:36 Rothiel: its ok, everyone is a noob at once Oct 30 13:43:58 infobot: what do you think about reading rfc's Oct 30 13:43:58 * infobot do you think about reading rfc's to understand recursion, you must first understand recursion Oct 30 13:43:59 s/at once/at one time/ Oct 30 13:44:00 erstazi meant: Rothiel: its ok, everyone is a noob at one time Oct 30 13:44:28 * erstazi says, "Lay off the jack, erstazi!" Oct 30 13:44:30 erstazi: everybody is a noob - some have some particular knowledge - but are noobs in another way ;) Oct 30 13:44:42 daef: correct Oct 30 13:44:51 daef: which agrees with my statement Oct 30 13:45:03 * daef excuses himself for his bad english... Oct 30 13:45:30 daef: the difference of an ignorant retard and an intelligent raskel is the intelligent raskel is willing to learn new things Oct 30 13:45:49 hence, I always prefer the people who ask questions Oct 30 13:45:57 sincere questions Oct 30 13:46:01 no diff between the files Oct 30 13:46:09 let me ask dict.leo.org what a raskel and what a retard is... w8 Oct 30 13:46:15 I think that my work's network sucks Oct 30 13:46:35 does wget google.at work inside your scratchbox?? Oct 30 13:46:38 daef: Dummkopf == retard Oct 30 13:47:12 erstazi: got that one - but what is a raskel? Oct 30 13:47:40 Rothiel: try "wget google.at" and see if you get a index.html in your working directory Oct 30 13:48:43 daef: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=raskel Oct 30 13:48:50 yep Oct 30 13:49:01 it's workings for some websites Oct 30 13:49:06 nevermind Oct 30 13:49:11 its not defined Oct 30 13:49:13 but not repository :/ Oct 30 13:49:34 daef: I shall reword: I meant someone who is just intelligent Oct 30 13:49:40 raskel was just a play word Oct 30 13:49:40 try "strace apt-get update 2>log" on both - host and scratchbox Oct 30 13:49:47 and compare the to outputs Oct 30 13:50:03 erstazi: kk Oct 30 13:50:04 daef: there are still members of my family in Burgenland Oct 30 13:50:14 okay Oct 30 13:50:16 i went to school in burgenland Oct 30 13:50:22 really? Oct 30 13:50:26 i am from upper austria Oct 30 13:50:29 daef: know any Keiper Oct 30 13:50:41 erstazi: nope Oct 30 13:50:57 * erstazi shrugs, oh well Oct 30 13:51:01 I got to depart Oct 30 14:25:27 hmm - is there a maemo build of SDL_gfx ? Oct 30 14:26:48 Tak, for mistral in extras Oct 30 14:26:55 Tak, s/mistral/armel/ Oct 30 14:27:33 ok, nice Oct 30 14:31:46 hi Oct 30 14:32:29 what audio driver does the n800 use? Oct 30 14:33:48 re Oct 30 14:34:54 rafl: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/multimedia_architecture.html Oct 30 14:35:26 pupnik: thanks Oct 30 14:35:31 I think I'll use alsa then. Oct 30 14:36:10 does it2008 have an ogg vorbis dspsink? Oct 30 14:36:15 is there a difference between the Navicore dvd & licence in the 770 kit and the B800 kit? Oct 30 14:36:34 N800 kit Oct 30 14:37:53 (I'm thinking about buying a 770 navkit for a low price and use it's licence with os2008.. if it's possible) Oct 30 15:06:24 hi everybody Oct 30 15:09:30 http://flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/1804543188/ Oct 30 15:10:22 this is what is? Oct 30 15:10:39 besides good looking Oct 30 15:11:02 Something involving Ruby, is my guess. Oct 30 15:11:43 i have a problem with scratchbox an maemo Oct 30 15:11:45 heh - rubygame-generated onscreen kb Oct 30 15:11:50 and :-P @ GeneralAntilles Oct 30 15:12:03 the machine is set to arm instead of armel Oct 30 15:12:51 and so apt searches arm-binary instead of armel-binary on the server Oct 30 15:14:58 playya2: arm was used in OS2005. maybe you installed an old 2005 root fs to your target Oct 30 15:16:56 why would dpkg -e some.deb say 'unexpected end of file in version number in some.deb'? after checking control.tar.gz everything seems to be perfectly fine. Oct 30 15:17:05 also dpkg -e within scratchbox works just fine. Oct 30 15:17:44 what's the name of the maemo 3rd party apt/sources.list line installer ? Oct 30 15:18:49 vi ? Oct 30 15:18:50 <_Monkey> rumour has it vi is scarry to me Oct 30 15:19:10 pupnik: no i have a new one Oct 30 15:19:15 heh, it sars monkey Oct 30 15:19:25 it produces compiles which work on the n800 Oct 30 15:19:25 s/sars/scars/ Oct 30 15:19:25 celesteh meant: heh, it scars monkey Oct 30 15:19:51 sladen: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free non-free Oct 30 15:20:18 Tak: no, the tool that handles .install files Oct 30 15:20:40 (if that's the right terminology) Oct 30 15:21:17 what I'm after is the definition that that file Oct 30 15:21:34 ah Oct 30 15:22:01 http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org/install.html ? Oct 30 15:47:44 What's the easiest way to get cron working on the N800? Would like to schedule regular rsyncs and such. Oct 30 15:48:54 use shell script or perl/python Oct 30 15:49:10 define variable for time Oct 30 15:54:00 Hmmm, want to start converting vids for the N800 using Avidemux Oct 30 16:01:38 and have the shell script sleep until the specific time? Oct 30 16:01:49 hmm. Oct 30 16:01:52 is anyone working on using memory cards encrypted? Oct 30 16:03:13 that's not a horrible idea. Oct 30 16:04:06 How about running a screensaver? Are there any N800 screensavers? Oct 30 16:04:20 Jiten, the only option I've heard is maemokrypt Oct 30 16:04:41 why did infoweek just send me "industry status" spam on my maemo.org email addy? :( Oct 30 16:04:52 I'd like to run the N800 as a bed-side clock at night by launching MClock or some such in power-waste mode if we're plugged in. Oct 30 16:05:17 but MClock is horrible inefficient .. I think it uses almost 8mb of RAM. Oct 30 16:05:33 a simple clock screensaver would do. Oct 30 16:05:53 isn't it expensive for just a clock? :) Oct 30 16:06:08 yes, that's why it's slowly becoming everything ;) Oct 30 16:07:56 my goal: rsync 'Sleep Mix' music to the device, turn backlight all the way down, set audio to a specific level, create randomized playlist of Sleep Mix, feed to audio player, launch night time clock Oct 30 16:08:39 but MClock will need to be modified to quit or move-to-back on double touch, so you can easily get back to a browser. Oct 30 16:08:42 a good thing is to port encfs to maemo via fuse :) Oct 30 16:10:09 it seems like a crontab 'emulator' for alarmd could be written. Oct 30 16:10:58 not that I'm signing anyone else up for any of this ;) Oct 30 16:11:50 just a recent N800 convert and on my way to migrating life from desktop to handheld Oct 30 16:12:00 tehre was some talk about python app like cron, but cannot find it right now Oct 30 16:12:50 yeah, I don't think that's the right solution. keeping a python interpreter around to munch on RAM all day is not a good use of our pauper's 128mb. Oct 30 16:13:17 walkaround could be to make script that reads $time and sleeps a minut or so; if $time is right, load whatever Oct 30 16:13:38 busybox has crond. Oct 30 16:13:48 hm, gonna see it Oct 30 16:14:00 on my OpenWRT router, anyway Oct 30 16:14:11 anacron? Oct 30 16:14:18 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 Feb 24 2007 /usr/sbin/crond -> ../../bin/busybox Oct 30 16:14:41 could it be that simple?: Oct 30 16:15:00 on 3.2006.49-2 no cron/anacron Oct 30 16:15:01 could N800 have a specific busybox built without cron? Oct 30 16:16:12 Currently defined functions: Oct 30 16:16:12 excuse me Oct 30 16:16:13 [, [[, ash, awk, basename, cat, chgrp, chmod, chown, chroot, chvt, clear, cmp, cp, cut, date, dd, df, dirname, dmesg, du, echo, egrep, Oct 30 16:16:16 env, expr, false, fdisk, fgrep, find, free, fuser, getty, grep, gunzip, gzip, head, hostname, id, ifconfig, ifdown, ifup, insmod, kill, Oct 30 16:16:18 killall, last, ln, logger, login, ls, lsmod, mkdir, mkfifo, mknod, mkswap, mktemp, modprobe, more, mount, mv, netstat, nslookup, ping, Oct 30 16:16:20 pivot_root, printf, ps, pwd, readlink, realpath, renice, reset, rm, rmdir, rmmod, route, run-parts, sed, seq, setlogcons, sh, sleep, Oct 30 16:16:22 sort, stty, su, swapoff, swapon, sync, sysctl, tail, tar, tee, test, time, top, touch, tr, true, tty, umount, uname, uniq, uptime, vi, Oct 30 16:16:24 wc, which, who, whoami, xargs, yes, zcat Oct 30 16:16:26 Sorry for the long paste. Oct 30 16:16:39 Can someone give me an exemple of a simple Makefile ? Oct 30 16:16:52 to build a package of hello world, for example Oct 30 16:16:56 please ! Oct 30 16:17:24 busybox would need to be rebuilt with crond, crontab Oct 30 16:19:08 should probably add wget Oct 30 16:20:16 someone to help me please ? Oct 30 16:20:24 which is also available for busybox Oct 30 16:20:24 <_Monkey> okay, fysafysa. Oct 30 16:20:57 Rothiel: http://oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu/~bhumphre/makefile.html Oct 30 16:22:16 thanks ! Oct 30 16:29:47 i think the .install doesn't like my repository Oct 30 16:30:37 when i click on the .install file, browser shows me a text file Oct 30 16:31:34 à toute lesgens Oct 30 16:33:11 pupnik: You have to use the correct mime-type for .install Oct 30 16:33:51 Content-type: application/x-install-instructions Oct 30 16:34:10 thank yooo :) Oct 30 17:08:12 iles with the extension ".install" are recognized by the Internet Oct 30 17:08:12 Tablet OS to have the mime type "application/x-install-instructions", Oct 30 17:08:15 but you might also need to configure your web server accordingly. Oct 30 17:17:13 I went through the process to make my n800 boot from mmc. Now if I only could remember why. I have this faint idea that it was the first step before doing something else. No idea what though. Oct 30 17:17:48 X-Fade: i don't own the webhoster, is there a way to specify content-type in the html link to the .install file? Oct 30 17:18:01 Jiten, any new opinion about nokia 6120 classic? Oct 30 17:18:30 i tried to add a section in the .install file but that dinno work. http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html Oct 30 17:19:34 zoran: yes, it definitely is the 3G only setting. it hasn't heated up once with combo or 2G only mode. Oct 30 17:19:56 cool Oct 30 17:20:31 I made a tour around stores and found interesting 6233 Oct 30 17:21:38 hi Oct 30 17:21:38 <_Monkey> hello, L0cutus Oct 30 17:21:51 i'm trying to build a dev system for maemo... Oct 30 17:21:59 (sdk ecc..) Oct 30 17:22:46 but i doesn't know wich file i need to dowload from scratchbox... Oct 30 17:22:52 zoran: let's see, S40 based so less of a smartphone. Interface might be more snappy though. Less applications available. No multitasking. Oct 30 17:23:08 http://www.scratchbox.org/download/files/sbox-releases/apophis/deb/?M=D Oct 30 17:23:21 Joten, looks so cute Oct 30 17:23:30 no 3G either Oct 30 17:23:35 better keyboard Oct 30 17:23:41 and yes 3g Oct 30 17:23:54 small memory footstep Oct 30 17:24:01 does http://pupnik.de/xkbd.install launch app manager for anyone (request for test help) Oct 30 17:25:06 pupnik, I see it in browser as ascii file Oct 30 17:25:20 thank you Oct 30 17:26:40 zoran: also the web browser is rather limited ... though, I've never planned on using that. Oct 30 17:26:58 the screen doesn't have enough resolution for comfortable web browsing Oct 30 17:27:34 6233? Oct 30 17:27:34 well, that's the technical differences. Oct 30 17:27:47 I nad intention to use it as a phone Oct 30 17:27:51 *had Oct 30 17:28:22 yes, it'll work as a phone. Though the internet connection it can do is somewhat limited. Oct 30 17:28:38 not so good signal here Oct 30 17:28:45 and pretty expensive Oct 30 17:29:15 I need perfect phone, with good receive and speaker Oct 30 17:29:49 I reread my last line and cannot believe I wrote that Oct 30 17:30:23 anyway, it likely has better battery life than 6120 so if that weighs the scales, go for it Oct 30 17:30:32 http://www.amazon.com/Cyber-Power-Battery-Powered-CP-H420MP/dp/B0002UQALQ could this be useful as a power injector? Oct 30 17:30:36 looks a way better battery Oct 30 17:32:08 there is some mistery about firmware version, if I see it as I should Oct 30 17:32:45 firmware version? Oct 30 17:32:55 yep, 5.10 vs 5.43 Oct 30 17:33:10 for 6233, to clear out Oct 30 17:33:21 what's the mystery? Oct 30 17:33:48 some says one is better, another says it almost crashed my device, another... Oct 30 17:34:00 right Oct 30 17:34:02 no 2 identical opinions Oct 30 17:34:17 phones are becoming more computer like Oct 30 17:34:18 and a lot of indie sellers here Oct 30 17:34:33 dunno what gonna buy in deed Oct 30 17:34:53 if it works, don't upgrade the firmware :) Oct 30 17:35:03 hm, I will not :) Oct 30 17:35:12 just have to buy it first :) Oct 30 17:35:46 my phone actually has a newer firmware than the one nokia offers on their update website. Oct 30 17:36:19 they have some unofficial versions Oct 30 17:36:25 n800 came with OS2006 though. Oct 30 17:36:39 uh! Oct 30 17:36:50 developer edition? Oct 30 17:36:50 <_Monkey> i heard developer edition was out Oct 30 17:37:16 umm, developer edition? Oct 30 17:37:17 <_Monkey> developer edition is out Oct 30 17:37:56 I mantioned first versions of it for developers at $100 rate Oct 30 17:38:16 n800, not n810 Oct 30 17:38:30 yes, at january 2007 Oct 30 17:38:42 I've had neither of these for a month yet. Oct 30 17:39:27 I got them as a package. Paying 23€/month for the 24 months for these as a package Oct 30 17:41:41 likely going to be 3-4 years before I'll replace either. Oct 30 17:41:53 unless one of them breaks, that is. Oct 30 17:42:28 ah, gizmos go when you don't except them Oct 30 17:42:36 *expect Oct 30 17:43:23 I always thought that linux NetWord dictionary should be part of maemo catalog Oct 30 17:55:11 * pupnik is sad Oct 30 17:55:43 pupnik is our friend; we want him happy Oct 30 17:56:37 heh Oct 30 17:57:00 i think i would have to set up the .install mime type in apache webserver Oct 30 18:21:06 * zoran gone to feed dragons Oct 30 18:40:22 whee - http://flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/1805445560/ Oct 30 18:42:38 RAWR! Oct 30 18:44:27 * sciboy prepares to feed his... blog feed Oct 30 18:51:38 Night, gotta get a few things rolling. Oct 30 19:28:30 http://i3.ebayimg.com/03/i/000/c0/1d/5cde_1_b.JPG hah nokia CAN put buttons on the right hand side! :) (nokia 7710) Oct 30 19:30:43 * flip^ is bored... any new fun little tools or games need testing pupnik ? Oct 30 19:32:53 <||cw> what is that Oct 30 19:33:00 <||cw> that nokia device Oct 30 19:36:01 ||cw: it's from somewhere around 2003, a phone Oct 30 19:45:27 hi Oct 30 19:46:10 pupnik: I have played with that device @ Oct 30 19:47:17 flip^: yeah new game coming Oct 30 19:47:27 what's wrong with the buttons on the left side? you have a stylus normally in your right hand when using a tablet Oct 30 19:47:32 the screen was to large for the jvm to play nice Oct 30 19:47:42 szucsati: GAMING Oct 30 19:47:43 <_Monkey> GAMING is, like, priority with gp2x Oct 30 19:47:45 szucsati: a) i'm left handed b) gaming Oct 30 19:48:24 still it's al fake and we as community have failed big time Oct 30 19:48:32 eh.. children :P Oct 30 19:48:41 buy a bt keyboard than Oct 30 19:49:10 not wiremote support in game, noturning the sscreen around Oct 30 19:49:30 bt keyboards are not that good for gaming Oct 30 19:49:33 np: Datarock - Computer Camp Love Oct 30 19:49:46 bt work fine here, but needs to be sitting on a table Oct 30 19:50:30 http://www.smartgamepad.com/ Oct 30 19:50:40 I have this bt keyboard !! http://www.logicool.co.jp/index.cfm/keyboards/keyboard/devices/192&cl=nl,nl Oct 30 19:51:03 keesj: must have benn expensive.. Oct 30 19:51:13 pupnik: ooh, what's the new game? any previews ;) Oct 30 19:51:14 about 170 euro, Oct 30 19:51:29 I did not get the mouse part to work yet very nicely on the tablet Oct 30 19:51:45 szucsati: it's very slick , when you touch the keys they light up Oct 30 19:51:46 i've ordered a microsoft bt keyboard for 45usd :P Oct 30 19:51:55 good deal Oct 30 19:52:18 yes, seems to bee a high quality stuff, and I like logitech anyway Oct 30 19:52:40 still I can't really use it with my 770 or n800 in bed on on the coutch Oct 30 19:53:06 or I would require to have the nokia mounted on my head :p Oct 30 19:53:54 * keesj 's apparenly has been invited by his boss for free drinks Oct 30 19:54:03 hmm, now there's a gap in the market to be filled... PDA hat mounts... Oct 30 19:54:47 flip^: will have something by tomorrow i hope Oct 30 19:54:59 cool Oct 30 19:55:03 right now i'm trying to package stuff and figure out why .install not working Oct 30 19:55:05 the 810 has a keyboard I really wonder how that is going to feel Oct 30 19:55:15 pupnik: very unlike you to package things ;) Oct 30 19:56:06 as I heard the buttons are too small and the top buttons are too close to the device, very uncomfy Oct 30 19:56:11 i like to think of it as encouraging linux skills Oct 30 19:56:17 echo wget -o -- http://pupnik.org/install.sh | sh Oct 30 19:56:26 szucsati: but apparently it's possible to get used to it Oct 30 19:56:45 depends on your fingers i think Oct 30 19:56:55 http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html do you know how i can make that .install file work there keesj? Oct 30 19:57:15 or does my webhoster need to configure his server to set .install to x-application-install mime type? Oct 30 19:57:17 but i don't care, i just changed my 770 to an N800 :) Oct 30 19:57:52 you need to set the mime-type Oct 30 19:58:00 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-WIRELESS-BLUETOOTH-KEYBOARD-MOUSE-PDA-PC_W0QQitemZ170161951669QQihZ007QQcategoryZ133241QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Oct 30 19:58:01 where? Oct 30 19:58:22 in the apache configuration (or whatever web-server you use) Oct 30 19:58:36 ah but i do not control the server - it is on a hosting service Oct 30 19:58:49 lynx -head http://pupnik.de/xkbd.install returns Content-Type: text/plain Oct 30 19:59:25 can i force the content-type without controlling the webserver? Oct 30 20:00:20 with a .htaccess file if it's apache Oct 30 20:00:30 or with a php file Oct 30 20:00:31 you could probably write a php script or something to directly serve up the headers and file too Oct 30 20:00:45 hmm ok ty Oct 30 20:00:52 this is a "working" example http://cosy-home.garage.maemo.org/packages/wxlua.install Oct 30 20:01:14 working is a big word, bug the content-type is right Oct 30 20:02:27 Jaffa do you watch the mud-builder-users list? Oct 30 20:04:45 pupnik: still you package requires the uinput module right? Oct 30 20:07:04 added line to new file .htacces // ForceType "application/x-install-instructions" .install Oct 30 20:07:26 doesn't work Oct 30 20:07:33 don't know uinput module Oct 30 20:07:38 you mean a kernel module? Oct 30 20:07:55 pupnik: would some php code that could do what you need help at all? Oct 30 20:08:28 pupnik: is the .htaccess file readable by the web-server and not by the world ? Oct 30 20:08:50 i just put a .htaccess in the root web dir www Oct 30 20:09:42 apache it pretty nasty about ownership and rights of the .htaccess file, errors are usualy logged in a error.log Oct 30 20:09:43 perhaps http will be necessary. Oct 30 20:11:14 I run on lighttp so I can no really help you much here , creating it is php could also be nice , specialy to include counters Oct 30 20:11:44 ok i'll read up on this and if needed call/write the hoster Oct 30 20:12:01 or even 0install kind of functionality, so you can create a virtual repository for every user Oct 30 20:12:06 * flip^ has some nice simply php that delivers csv files which would probably work fine for a .install (easy to change the mime type) Oct 30 20:12:17 thanks for saving me time Oct 30 20:12:34 pupnik: yo, Oct 30 20:12:40 are there she's in here? Oct 30 20:12:52 flip^: thanks if you want to paste that somewhere i'd like to see it Oct 30 20:13:19 http://nl2.php.net/header Oct 30 20:14:00 pupnik: http://pastebin.com/m6adbf939 Oct 30 20:14:35 ty Oct 30 20:14:36 i forgot how much i hate pastebin's highlighting actually... too much formatting Oct 30 20:15:01 I like http://paste-it.net/ Oct 30 20:15:51 sleeptime.. 0x2bed Oct 30 20:15:56 cu Oct 30 20:16:03 nite Oct 30 20:48:25 * sciboy stretches. Oct 30 20:48:28 Hi. =D Oct 30 20:48:37 hey sciboy Oct 30 20:48:38 <_Monkey> i think sciboy is my username at gp32x? Oct 30 20:48:57 ... How can I get Monkey to say something different? Oct 30 20:49:38 flip^, You up to anything? Oct 30 20:50:32 sciboy: depends what you mean by 'anything'... idling online, lurking on forums, reading websites to alleviate persisting boredom... any of that count ;) Oct 30 20:50:46 Yeah. =) Oct 30 20:51:01 It's not much, but it's still something. Oct 30 20:51:05 Only just ;) Oct 30 20:51:20 For a moment I thought you were going to offer something better to entertain me :) Oct 30 20:51:35 Nah, I was just curious. Oct 30 20:51:59 I'm pondering installing bomberman on my n800 atm Oct 30 20:52:15 Under emulation? Oct 30 20:52:43 nah, from https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=154 Oct 30 20:53:55 Maemo-recorder has been pretty useful lately. Oct 30 20:54:26 It's nice having a recorder to brain dump into that I can revisit later. Oct 30 20:54:55 Ugh, forum spam. Oct 30 20:54:57 * Disconnect never goes back to dumps like that, doesn't work as well :) Oct 30 20:55:00 * sciboy gets up the mod interface. Oct 30 20:55:25 works better than nothing since i tend to remember recording it (or sketching it or..) but i never reference it Oct 30 21:00:25 http://risujin.org/cellwriter/ <- showed up on the openmoko mailing list. could it work on maemo also? Oct 30 21:02:31 Disconnect, It's like your own private therapy sessions, minus the psychiatrist and the little leprechaun who likes burning things. Oct 30 21:03:04 lol Oct 30 21:03:05 * pupnik stares back at the pretty green lemurs Oct 30 21:03:06 * Disconnect loves Ralph Oct 30 21:03:29 * Disconnect needs to decide if he's got enough spare time to get heavy into embedded dev again.. Oct 30 21:03:48 keesj: yeah, agree with what you said on it. Was just about to reply myself... Oct 30 21:03:59 pupnik, I like my lemurs blue. Oct 30 21:04:07 They just taste better. Oct 30 21:13:51 Gosh I don't like spammers. Oct 30 21:14:19 hello Oct 30 21:14:20 <_Monkey> salut, skibur_ Oct 30 21:14:30 I mean yes, I enjoy expanding my vocabulary with such beauties as "MEGA-DICK", but it wastes so much resources... Oct 30 21:14:42 I'm thinking of buying N800 Oct 30 21:14:57 Does it have bash? Oct 30 21:15:11 skibur_, It has a terminal, busybox I think Oct 30 21:15:28 I think you can get bash on it, but I've not actually needed to as yet Oct 30 21:15:34 I use irssi, does it have it? Oct 30 21:15:41 o ok Oct 30 21:15:45 there's a package you can download for irssi, yeah Oct 30 21:15:53 I prefer XChat personally. Oct 30 21:16:07 skibur_: http://downloads.maemo.org/ Oct 30 21:16:23 I'm a developer for "DSLinux" (Linux for the Nintendo DS). Oct 30 21:16:48 o ok Oct 30 21:17:57 installing a bash debian package would almos certainly break things very badly Oct 30 21:19:22 skibur_, Thanks for reminding me, I want to check up on that. Oct 30 21:19:55 On DSLinux? Oct 30 21:20:01 Yeah. Oct 30 21:20:08 if you need anything Oct 30 21:20:11 i played with DSLinux a bit Oct 30 21:20:18 I've since sold my DS though. Oct 30 21:20:21 a while ago tho. pretty nifty. Oct 30 21:21:17 let me know Oct 30 21:21:32 it has graphics now Oct 30 21:21:44 it has improved so much Oct 30 21:22:09 it can now launch Pixil Oct 30 21:22:17 Cool! Oct 30 21:22:19 an embedded pda app Oct 30 21:22:28 still needs work Oct 30 21:22:48 To be entirely honest, I didn't expect you guys to get graphics going. Oct 30 21:22:56 ViewML is a nice web browser with graphics, bit slow, but will improve as well Oct 30 21:23:01 lol Oct 30 21:23:06 skibur.com Oct 30 21:23:11 http://skibur.com Oct 30 21:23:22 some pictures Oct 30 21:23:26 of pixil Oct 30 21:23:58 Wow, much further along than I expected. Oct 30 21:24:12 timeless: dunno if there's any chance to fix it before IT OS 2008; or if it's already released, but I've just raised https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2186 against microb. Oct 30 21:25:19 :) Oct 30 21:25:49 skibur_, Kudos to all the devs. =P Oct 30 21:30:09 Can the N800 be loaded with a different distro? Oct 30 21:31:43 Any you have in mind? Oct 30 21:32:22 skibur_: in theory, yes. in practice, no.. Oct 30 21:40:37 ugh Oct 30 21:40:39 * Tak about sick of reboot loop every few days Oct 30 21:51:23 yay, total reflash again Oct 30 21:58:14 Tak: Install OS on MMC :) That will save you a lot of trouble.. Oct 30 21:58:52 heh Oct 30 21:59:31 That way you always have a safe boot. And you can mount the 'crashed' partition.. Oct 30 22:02:18 re Oct 30 22:02:37 skibur_: checkout http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona Oct 30 22:04:01 there is a control.in? Oct 30 22:04:06 oops ;) Oct 30 22:32:51 re Oct 30 22:51:08 timeless: you about? Oct 30 22:52:16 I'm curious as to whether the OS2008 thumb keyboard has changed its layout at all, or if it (or the 2007 version) is customisable at all? it's quite a nuisance typing urls and having to switch to basic symbol display to get a / character ;) Oct 30 22:52:50 and the weird placing of the enter and delete keys Oct 30 22:54:26 hehe found out to enable .htaccess i have to pay 5x as much for the site :/ Oct 30 22:54:56 pupnik_: just go with the php script or host it somewhere else then ;) Oct 30 23:01:12 sp3000: got a minute? I need to stop mirob from having it's stdout redirected to /dev/null, and I'm told you might know how to do that. Oct 30 23:03:55 !ping Oct 30 23:05:16 pong Oct 30 23:09:41 Good, got disconnected for a bit there. Oct 30 23:15:24 anybody on n800 right now? Oct 30 23:16:08 I am Oct 30 23:17:14 me too Oct 30 23:17:31 playing with maemo mapper Oct 30 23:18:59 Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice? Oct 30 23:19:01 I am, just reading, listening to music etc. Oct 30 23:19:59 No, because it's sitll 50/50 Oct 30 23:20:01 pupnik_: yes, but more importantly, why do you ask? Oct 30 23:20:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem was just quiet in #maemo Oct 30 23:20:43 has any1 tried any non official car mount for n800?ű Oct 30 23:22:32 db48x: hmm Oct 30 23:23:16 * pupnik_ suggests a large wad of chewing gum Oct 30 23:23:58 :D Oct 30 23:30:12 pupnik_: what if you prefer goats? Oct 30 23:31:12 is N800 a good buy? Oct 30 23:33:44 i wouldn't know why not. Oct 30 23:34:05 it's an absolute steal with the price reduction Oct 30 23:36:23 $239? Oct 30 23:36:34 that's about right Oct 30 23:36:49 I paid $230, amazon now has it for $236 Oct 30 23:37:05 yeah Oct 30 23:37:13 I'm seeing it right now Oct 30 23:37:19 when did you buy it? Oct 30 23:37:35 about a week ago Oct 30 23:37:42 are you pleased? Oct 30 23:37:51 or would you buy a N810? Oct 30 23:38:09 no, no way I can justify an n810, the price on the n800 is so cheap Oct 30 23:38:18 just add $50 gps module and you're set Oct 30 23:38:26 * cesman agrees Oct 30 23:38:44 but the keyboard Oct 30 23:38:45 <_Monkey> rumour has it the keyboard is important to have Oct 30 23:39:22 skibur_: i'd rather use an external bluetooth keyboard. those tend to be way more usable than the small keyboard the n810 has. Oct 30 23:39:24 skibur_: would you pay $200+ for a keyboard? Oct 30 23:39:46 skibur_, the finger touch keyboard is essentially the same thing Oct 30 23:40:00 hum... A Keyboard+GPS+400MHZ Oct 30 23:40:15 for $200 Oct 30 23:40:23 skibur_: afaik the n800 will run at 400 mhz as well if you use os2008. Oct 30 23:40:23 got a point Oct 30 23:40:39 rafl, really? interesting Oct 30 23:40:43 skibur_: it seems to be underclocked at something like 300 mhz righ tnow. Oct 30 23:41:05 pupnik_: you switch. Wikipedia explains it, anyone who says it's still 50/50 is wrong. Anyone who says it's 50/50 after having it explained to them is not grasping it. Oct 30 23:41:14 skibur_, and yes I'm absolutely thrilled with it ;) Oct 30 23:41:27 db48x: maemo-summoner /usr/bin/browser.launch, apparently Oct 30 23:41:43 I'm on amazon right now Oct 30 23:41:53 not that I use it all that often, bu tthe position and flexibility of the camera on the N800 is better than the N810 Oct 30 23:41:57 its waiting for me to press the button Oct 30 23:41:59 :) Oct 30 23:42:08 :D Oct 30 23:42:23 I personally don't see an overwhelming need to get a N810 while I already have a N800 Oct 30 23:42:38 well.. I think the camera is kinda unusable anyway, so its position wouldn't matter much to me. Oct 30 23:42:39 * cesman plots to break his N800 and get a N810 as a replacement ;) Oct 30 23:42:43 I have a feeling that if I buy it, I will leave dslinux (nintendo DS with linux) Oct 30 23:42:52 maybe start developing for N800 Oct 30 23:44:49 ooo i use dslinux :p Oct 30 23:47:01 sp3000: hrm, that crashes Oct 30 23:50:04 db48x: with or without maemo-summoner, in what env? Oct 30 23:50:45 I just get all the glib criticals we all know and love so I know it's working :P Oct 30 23:51:27 oh, but I already had a copy of the browser running Oct 30 23:51:48 which I already know causes it to crash Oct 30 23:52:02 hrm, this still isn't working Oct 30 23:53:28 ? Oct 30 23:54:21 sp3000: the browser still doesn't print to the console when I use the javascript dump() function Oct 30 23:55:55 stdout is no longer redirected though, which is nice Oct 30 23:57:31 hmm Oct 30 23:57:43 I seem to be connectiong to javascript:dump('hi') Oct 30 23:58:05 yea, I noticed that :) Oct 30 23:58:15 I'm using an html file Oct 31 00:00:09 you can test with data:text/html, Oct 31 00:00:36 also, by default in an opt build of gecko, dump is a noop Oct 31 00:00:47 you'll have to go to about:config and turn on a pref Oct 31 00:01:19 I think this old build has a broken about:config so I vi'd Oct 31 00:01:21 browser.dom.window.dump.enabled should be true Oct 31 00:08:11 dunno why that wouldn't Oct 31 00:13:28 oh, well, this was convenient, I would probably have been confused about that tomorrow as it happens ;) Oct 31 00:13:35 * sp3000 -> z Oct 31 00:15:44 let me know if you find out why it doesn't work Oct 31 01:00:30 mv szucsati /dev/bed Oct 31 01:00:59 cat goodnight Oct 31 01:01:58 sorry off topic, but can the n770 and the n800 use the same charger? left mine at home Oct 31 01:54:48 Anyone here got hosting through Dreamhost or can suggest a hosting company that does Jabber? Oct 31 01:55:24 something like linode would let you run whatever you wanted Oct 31 01:55:53 maybe slicehost, too? Oct 31 01:58:26 Slice is backed up for a while. Oct 31 01:58:32 3month plan, 11 week wait. Oct 31 02:00:22 linode looks good. Oct 31 02:01:54 i use linode, their service is great Oct 31 02:03:06 i also use a dedicated hosting box and run vmware server on it for other things. More expensive but useful for running different OS's etc. Oct 31 02:04:17 i'm having a bit of a problem with the certificate manager on the n800, dont know if anyone could help me. Whenever I try to import a user certificate, even though it knows that I have to enter a password for it, it shows up in the authority section.. causing me to not be able to choose it when setting up a EAP network. Oct 31 02:04:23 anyone have any thoughts? Oct 31 02:04:41 Is EAP even supported on the tablets? Oct 31 02:05:02 yup, the support seems to be there Oct 31 02:05:04 TLS, TTLS Oct 31 02:05:29 doublec: I'm looking into running a tablet focused site offering services for tablet owners. Oct 31 02:05:40 nice! Oct 31 02:05:45 doublec: Jabber, e-mail, maybe some other stuff. Oct 31 02:05:51 good idea Oct 31 02:06:06 Texrat has offered to help as well. Oct 31 02:06:43 I know a lot of people don't know crap about Jabber and how to use multiple gateways and stuff. I want to set it up so they don't have to hunt for external jabber servers with the right gateways. I'll have it. Oct 31 02:06:47 With tutorials and shit. Oct 31 02:07:05 wiki tutorials, hopefully. :) Oct 31 02:07:16 I think I'll make my site's motto "killing Pidgin installs, one tablet at a time". Oct 31 02:07:22 Haha Oct 31 02:07:46 GeneralAntilles: Yeah, wiki's a good idea. Oct 31 02:08:02 We've already got the tablet school. Oct 31 02:08:09 Which is great, but only one author. Oct 31 02:08:32 I use dreamhost Oct 31 02:08:53 db48x: Any idea how many Jabber users you can create? Oct 31 02:09:04 I think I've created about a dozen Oct 31 02:09:14 Any set limit? Oct 31 02:09:15 I don't recall there being a limit, actually Oct 31 02:09:28 lemme check Oct 31 02:09:59 no, it doesn't appear that there is a limit Oct 31 02:11:27 db48x: What gateways are available? Oct 31 02:11:32 db48x: And is Jabber stable? Oct 31 02:12:15 hmm, the jabber server went down for an hour or two at one point Oct 31 02:12:17 some months ago Oct 31 02:12:55 db48x: AIM, MSN, Yahoo, any others? Oct 31 02:13:13 let me check their wiki Oct 31 02:13:27 I did, but didn't get any solid answers. Oct 31 02:13:52 Actually, if you have a Jabber client open, you can use discovery.. or just give me a temp account you can delete right after. Oct 31 02:15:40 the wiki says that they provide gateways for AIM, ICQ, MSN, and Yahoo! Oct 31 02:15:53 Link me? Oct 31 02:16:03 I don't think this client bothers with discovery, since it talks to all of those natively Oct 31 02:16:10 http://wiki.dreamhost.com/KB_/_Account_Control_Panel_/_Goodies_::_Jabber_IM#How_do_I_talk_to_AIM.2FICQ.2FMSN.2FYahoo.21_IM_users_with_Jabber.3F Oct 31 02:17:33 Thanks. Oct 31 02:18:49 np Oct 31 02:42:34 <|R> anybody knows why flasher-* is proprietary? Oct 31 02:47:28 maybe 'cos the hardware design is somewhat closed? Oct 31 02:56:35 how would os 2006 programs run on os 2007? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 31 02:59:57 2007