**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 01 02:59:57 2007
Nov 01 07:10:24 <ranjan> hi new N800 user here
Nov 01 07:10:52 <ranjan> just wanted to say hi to the community and learn a bit
Nov 01 07:12:23 <ranjan> gmail imap with default email client... does it work right?
Nov 01 07:13:40 <cesman> hello ranjan
Nov 01 07:13:47 <cesman> don't know, as I've not tried
Nov 01 07:15:50 <ranjan> cesman: thanks
Nov 01 07:16:16 <ranjan> is there a lighter version og google maps?
Nov 01 08:46:28 <billsb> HI
Nov 01 08:47:23 <billsb> Im getting this
Nov 01 08:47:23 <billsb>   pidgin: Depends: libgnutls13 (>= 1.5.3-0) but it is not installable
Nov 01 08:47:47 <billsb> Im looking for libnuls13
Nov 01 08:47:50 <billsb> But I dont have it
Nov 01 08:49:35 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 01 08:55:11 <pupnik> repositories?
Nov 01 08:55:12 <_Monkey> repositories is, like, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories  and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php
Nov 01 08:55:16 <pupnik> search there billsb
Nov 01 08:58:14 <billsb> So
Nov 01 08:58:18 <billsb> Srr
Nov 01 08:58:32 <billsb> Sorry, I was just watching tv... some people doing up a castle
Nov 01 08:58:35 <billsb> Ill check it out
Nov 01 09:00:51 <billsb> Nice site
Nov 01 09:00:53 <billsb> Cheers
Nov 01 09:06:08 <billsb> Thanks pupnik
Nov 01 09:26:33 <sciboy_> w00t. IRC without my computer on
Nov 01 09:27:11 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 01 09:27:27 <czr> ircin on the calculator is the bestest.
Nov 01 09:28:18 <sciboy_> Now I can idle more conveniently!
Nov 01 09:28:38 <sciboy_> ... Brb, I just died.
Nov 01 09:30:43 <sciboy> Still not use to using this thing, although now I can surf in bed that'll be fixed quickly.
Nov 01 09:47:26 <bergie> I'm starting first-ever contributor karma calculation on maemo.org... this may take a bit of machine resources :-)
Nov 01 09:48:11 <czr> bergie, can't you use some other machine to do it? :-)
Nov 01 09:48:27 <bergie> not ATM
Nov 01 09:49:26 <sciboy> I need to find some internet radio. =/
Nov 01 10:48:29 <yannick> Hi! Is there an admin for planet maemo here ? My issue is this: when Nokia R&D Manager, Yannick Pellet blogs, it appears on planet maemo under my name: Yannick Defais. But I can't find his mail address... :( See: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/archive/month/2005/10.html It seems I'm working on Sofia SIP
Nov 01 10:50:00 <yannick> Reason seems I'm register on maemo using the nick "Yannick".
Nov 01 10:50:39 <yannick> How can I solve this?
Nov 01 10:53:51 <Jaffa> I guess his real name in his Maemo profile was set wrongly.
Nov 01 10:54:04 <Jaffa> Raise a bug in Bugzilla?
Nov 01 10:54:29 <bergie> yannick: we need to set the author into the feed then
Nov 01 10:54:45 <bergie> if the author is not set the importer tries to probe based on what the feed provides as author info
Nov 01 11:00:34 <yannick> bergie, who could do that?
Nov 01 11:01:33 <Svenn800> Yannick.pellet@nokia.com doesnt work?
Nov 01 11:01:50 <yannick> Svenn800, never tried, let's see...
Nov 01 11:02:21 <bergie> yannick: I can look at it once the karma recount finishes... 5561 people have karma now
Nov 01 11:02:43 <yannick> bergie, thx
Nov 01 11:04:12 <bedboi> hi there
Nov 01 11:04:38 <Svenn800> Can you suggest any display protection  foils?
Nov 01 11:05:59 <Svenn800> What is gizmo
Nov 01 11:06:00 <_Monkey> gizmo is, like, sip compliant
Nov 01 11:07:33 <Svenn800> But closed source?
Nov 01 11:08:18 <yannick> yes closed
Nov 01 11:40:37 <Stalwart> hi there
Nov 01 11:40:37 <_Monkey> hello, Stalwart
Nov 01 11:40:41 <Stalwart> o.O
Nov 01 11:41:05 <Stalwart> http://aving.net/usa/news/default.asp?mode=read&c_num=64057&C_Code=01&SP_Num=0 <-- here's written that n810 has fm transmitter
Nov 01 11:41:10 <Stalwart> it's bullshit?
Nov 01 11:43:42 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Nov 01 11:45:39 <Stalwart> ok
Nov 01 11:45:46 <Stalwart> can't wait to buy that thing
Nov 01 11:46:06 <Stalwart> :D
Nov 01 11:46:35 <Stalwart> i need to write something as college thesis work
Nov 01 11:46:48 <Stalwart> i think about good terminal emulator or some game
Nov 01 11:55:09 <bergie> yannick: Quim promised to look at the problem
Nov 01 12:00:13 <yannick> bergie, thanks
Nov 01 12:12:57 <disq> ooh. apple macbook updated, they have santa rosa and x3100 now
Nov 01 12:15:56 <GeneralAntilles> Now . . . where are my Mac Pros? :\
Nov 01 12:37:37 <lopz> hola
Nov 01 13:00:01 <disq> new gp2x with touchscreen out btw
Nov 01 13:01:12 <p|> gp2x ?
Nov 01 13:01:13 <_Monkey> gp2x is a handheld gaming system.  runs linux, very open source and open platform.  two 200-250MHz ARM cores (one 920, one 940)
Nov 01 13:03:26 <p|> wow
Nov 01 13:04:35 <disq> yeah, a talking monkeybot
Nov 01 13:19:47 <disq> ooh i finally got imap in my google apps domain
Nov 01 13:19:51 <disq> now gotta install clawsmail
Nov 01 13:19:53 <bedboi> hi there.
Nov 01 13:19:58 <disq> hi.
Nov 01 13:28:41 <cosmo_> hm, is there a way to check that app is running on Maemo device in shell script?
Nov 01 13:29:18 <cosmo_> easy way (like existance of a file)
Nov 01 13:32:29 <inz> pidof?
Nov 01 13:33:55 <inz> pidof -s <binary-name> > /dev/null && echo "Process running" || echo "Process not running"
Nov 01 13:34:12 <inz> -s is only an optimization and can be omitted
Nov 01 13:34:28 <cosmo_> i mean testing (in post-install script) that a package is being installed on device, not on desktop linux
Nov 01 13:34:43 <inz> Ahh, sorry
Nov 01 13:34:48 <cosmo_> actually pidof <maemo only process> might work
Nov 01 13:34:58 <inz> I misunderstood what you were asking ;)
Nov 01 13:35:16 <cosmo_> sorry, it wasn't a clear question ;)
Nov 01 13:35:38 <inz> You could check something like /etc/osso_software_version
Nov 01 13:35:44 <inz> Or grep /proc/cpuinfo for something
Nov 01 13:36:04 <Tak> hmm @ osso_software_version
Nov 01 13:38:13 <cosmo_> those could be good
Nov 01 13:38:40 <cosmo_> another q: how to add user to a group? addgroup in maemo does not have -a option
Nov 01 14:07:39 <czr> timeless, ah, finally ;-)
Nov 01 14:07:48 <czr> (the rhapsody web page "bug")
Nov 01 14:16:19 * czr keeps mistyping Internet Tablets as Internet Tables
Nov 01 14:16:26 <czr> maybe there is a niche market for those
Nov 01 14:16:33 <czr> "browse while you drink coffee/beer"
Nov 01 14:16:52 <czr> "control the browser by spashing coffee over hyperlinks"
Nov 01 14:17:38 <Fatal> I thought MS did one of those
Nov 01 14:18:48 <czr> hmm. Internet Chair then!
Nov 01 14:18:58 <czr> ok. maybe not.
Nov 01 14:19:46 <Fatal> considering there are so many asses on the net I personally think that's a bad idea
Nov 01 14:20:31 <czr> well. I'm sure people over in japan would love the idea.
Nov 01 14:20:41 <czr> they seem to go after all kinds of crazy stuff anyway :-)
Nov 01 14:28:10 <zeenix> czr: in st enterprise, they seem to be using both tablets and tables
Nov 01 14:29:19 <czr> zeenix :-)
Nov 01 14:32:30 <Tak> czr: the target device for Japan would be Internet Toilet
Nov 01 14:32:38 <czr> Tak, true!
Nov 01 14:32:57 <czr> maybe I should launch the whole series of Internet Furniture, for Home and Lavatories.
Nov 01 14:33:28 <Tak> Coming Soon: Internet Bidet
Nov 01 14:33:29 <czr> hmm. the toilet version could be abbreviated into InToilet(tm)
Nov 01 14:39:16 <cosmo_> hm, i have a app that works in sb with run-standalone.sh, but not by itself.. how can i debug it?
Nov 01 14:40:29 <czr> cosmo_, you mean how do you use gdb with it?
Nov 01 14:40:40 <czr> debugging can be done in many ways, not all of which are related to gdb.
Nov 01 14:40:54 <inz> cosmo, run-standalone.sh gdb <binaryname>
Nov 01 14:40:57 <czr> run-standalone.sh gdb appnae parms
Nov 01 14:41:02 <czr> yyes
Nov 01 14:41:12 * czr needs to fix his fingers.
Nov 01 14:51:18 <cosmo_> inz: thanks, that's what i was looking for
Nov 01 15:09:13 <b0unc3> hello
Nov 01 15:09:54 <b0unc3> I've created a .service file for my app... now it starts from the menu... but after some seconds it's quit... someone know why ?
Nov 01 15:10:57 <inz> b0unc3, you've defined X-Osso-Service in your .desktop file, but your program doesn't register that name in dbus
Nov 01 15:14:30 <inz> b0unc3, dbus-daemon kills processes it starts, if they don't register the name they were started for
Nov 01 15:22:42 <b0unc3> inz: you are right, now it work fine... thank you
Nov 01 15:24:05 * lardman wonders if the karma rating includes numbers of lines of irc chat
Nov 01 15:25:02 * lardman also wonders whether the number of emails, etc., are rated for content
Nov 01 15:25:12 <Tak> obviously not @ irc; mine would be higher :-P
Nov 01 15:25:18 <lardman> :)
Nov 01 15:25:24 <lardman> Just an idle thought
Nov 01 15:25:35 <inz> I wonder how can I lower my karma
Nov 01 15:25:37 <Tak> also pupnik's
Nov 01 15:25:49 <lardman> Does anyone know if the content is filtered/rated? I wonder how this can be achieved?
Nov 01 15:25:57 <Tak> inz: grind up babies, and feed the result to other babies
Nov 01 15:25:58 <inz> Do I need to post total rubbinsh onto my blog which will be "thumbed down"
Nov 01 15:26:17 <lardman> depends how they weight complete rubbish
Nov 01 15:27:03 <lardman> vs total rubbish :)
Nov 01 15:29:15 <czr> inz, you don't have to. it was so low that it just went around methinks :-)
Nov 01 15:30:02 * czr thinks of replying to all ml-messages with "yes, I completely agree" or "no, that's poppycock". just randomly selecting which to use for each message. or hmm. maybe should be based on the clock somehow
Nov 01 15:30:54 <inz> czr, so my karma would be something like UINT_MAX-34
Nov 01 15:31:03 <inz> czr, sounds about right
Nov 01 15:31:06 * czr nods
Nov 01 15:32:26 <lardman> Probably NaN
Nov 01 15:32:35 <czr> or NaaN
Nov 01 15:32:50 <czr> hmm. now I know why naan looks so funny
Nov 01 15:33:58 <lardman> as in -bread?
Nov 01 15:34:45 <lardman> If the irc logs are ever used for karma, _Monkey will be up there :)
Nov 01 15:40:05 <czr> lardman, yes.
Nov 01 16:11:02 <mmiller> So anyone install Python 2.5 on there N800 yet?
Nov 01 16:11:28 <X-Fade> mmiller: Sure..
Nov 01 16:11:29 <timeless> http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/
Nov 01 16:11:36 <lardman> I think I did so too
Nov 01 16:11:40 <timeless> sure seems like it's been done an awful lot
Nov 01 16:11:46 <timeless> google: maemo python 2.5
Nov 01 16:11:52 <X-Fade> Kagu uses it? :)
Nov 01 16:14:01 <mmiller> X-Fade: So what's the trick to finding all of the dependencies?
Nov 01 16:14:43 <Tak> has somebody feature-requested that an install file be able to add >1 repo?
Nov 01 16:14:46 <X-Fade> mmiller: There is none? It is installable via the app manager?
Nov 01 16:15:07 <timeless> tak: i'm sure...
Nov 01 16:15:56 <Tak> mmiller: add the "http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free" repo
Nov 01 16:16:10 <mmiller> App Manager tells me I need libgdbm3 libncurses5 and libreadline4
Nov 01 16:16:43 <X-Fade> Tak can read minds ;)
Nov 01 16:17:49 <disq> Tak: chinook app manager can do that.
Nov 01 16:18:37 <luck^> mmiller, use both install files available at http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/installation.html
Nov 01 16:19:09 <Tak> disq: nice
Nov 01 16:19:23 <mmiller> bora free non-free are all in the distribution or is bora only in the distribution and free non-free go in the components?
Nov 01 16:19:33 <Tak> latter
Nov 01 16:19:34 <_Monkey> i guess latter is /var/log/syslog iirc
Nov 01 16:19:44 <mmiller> Thanks for your help BTW.
Nov 01 16:20:23 <timeless> _monkey forget latter
Nov 01 16:20:23 <_Monkey> timeless: I forgot latter
Nov 01 16:20:30 <timeless> _monkey latter is <reply>
Nov 01 16:20:30 <_Monkey> OK, timeless.
Nov 01 16:21:10 <zoran> clear
Nov 01 16:21:50 <lardman> timeless: what does that tell him to do about latter?
Nov 01 16:22:03 <lardman> latter
Nov 01 16:22:48 <zoran> _monkey list <reply>
Nov 01 16:22:48 <_Monkey> zoran: sorry...
Nov 01 16:23:28 <timeless> _monkey literal latter
Nov 01 16:23:28 <_Monkey> timeless: latter =is= <reply>
Nov 01 16:23:43 <timeless> it tells him tha the response to latter is nothing
Nov 01 16:23:56 <timeless> but nothing is something, so it can't learn something else for that word
Nov 01 16:24:12 <lardman> too late in the day for me
Nov 01 16:24:16 <lardman> :)
Nov 01 16:24:56 <zoran> _monkey literal <>
Nov 01 16:24:57 <_Monkey> zoran: i'm not following you...
Nov 01 16:25:22 <mmiller> I figured it out.
Nov 01 16:25:45 <mmiller> Thanks for your help X-Fade, Tak and luck^.
Nov 01 16:28:54 <zoran> what software is used for \_<upper>M&onkey?
Nov 01 16:31:05 <timeless> _monkey infobot?
Nov 01 16:31:05 <_Monkey> infobot is at http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~infobot
Nov 01 16:31:30 <zoran> k, gonna surf  :)
Nov 01 16:31:30 <timeless> /ctcp _monkey version
Nov 01 16:31:33 <timeless> *** CTCP VERSION reply from _Monkey: infobot 0.45.3 [Wurm]
Nov 01 16:31:58 <timeless> infobots can be helpful
Nov 01 16:32:02 <timeless> _monkey is just annoying
Nov 01 16:32:04 <Tak> hmm, is garage undergoing scheduled maintenance?
Nov 01 16:32:10 <Tak> or did somebody really let the disk fill up?
Nov 01 16:32:21 <timeless> An error occured in the logger. ERROR: could not extend relation "activity_log": No space left on device HINT: Check free disk space.
Nov 01 16:32:40 * Tak grins
Nov 01 16:33:07 <Tak> I bet the karma system killed it
Nov 01 16:33:36 <zoran> source has moved to infobot.org
Nov 01 16:34:08 <timeless> timeless@maemo-gforge:~$ df -h .
Nov 01 16:34:08 <timeless> Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
Nov 01 16:34:08 <timeless> -                      15G   14G     0 100% /
Nov 01 16:35:10 <onion> everything on / ?
Nov 01 16:36:32 <timeless> www is 2.6 gb
Nov 01 16:38:06 <timeless> ok, reported to ferenc
Nov 01 16:38:14 <timeless> it was supposed to have at least /some/ space
Nov 01 16:38:20 <timeless> scheduled maintenance was next week
Nov 01 16:38:26 <timeless> too bad for ferenc, his evening is shot
Nov 01 16:38:36 <Tak> aww
Nov 01 16:38:54 <Tak> I wouldn't have said anything
Nov 01 16:39:15 <timeless> better you here now than most other possibilities
Nov 01 16:41:08 <timeless> anyway, he's on the box now, i'm leaving it alone :)
Nov 01 16:44:24 * timeless rotfl
Nov 01 16:44:24 <timeless> http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/31/google-docs-need-optimization-for-nokia-mozilla-browser
Nov 01 16:44:32 <timeless> <link:... - #
Nov 01 16:44:34 <timeless> # Flame Author>
Nov 01 16:46:51 <X-Fade> Garage is back again..
Nov 01 16:47:22 <timeless> -                      15G   14G  163M  99% /
Nov 01 16:47:32 <timeless> yeah, that'll really last :)
Nov 01 16:47:56 <X-Fade> timeless: Nah ;)
Nov 01 16:51:58 <skibur> hello
Nov 01 16:51:59 <_Monkey> hola, skibur
Nov 01 16:52:17 <skibur> I will receiving my N800 tomorrow
Nov 01 16:52:28 <skibur> can't wait to be part of this group
Nov 01 16:53:28 <timeless> help
Nov 01 16:53:42 <timeless> can someone point me to an official nokia page that explains 4.2007.38-2
Nov 01 16:55:31 <timeless> http://europe.nokia.com/A4307030 i guess?
Nov 01 17:02:22 <timeless> personally, i'd blame all the new garage project submissions :)
Nov 01 17:05:01 <zoran> maybe you could make another partition called /dev/nulla and store all those projects there to be safe?
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Nov 01 17:20:42 <zoran> like Houdini
Nov 01 17:27:44 <quux> Is it possible to pair a bluetooth headset with the Nokia 770?
Nov 01 17:30:02 <skibur> so its just a matter of cross compiling using scratchbox to use CL apps on my N800?
Nov 01 17:31:34 <Tak> and installing osso-xterm ;-)
Nov 01 17:34:10 <sven-tek> Hi! Is there a good podcast-software for n800?
Nov 01 17:35:17 <skibur> I will use my N800 for about a good 6 months before I start developing for it
Nov 01 17:35:54 <skibur> I'm still with Nintendo DS + Linux (DSLinux) project.
Nov 01 17:38:36 <skibur> is this server   chat.freenode.net   ?
Nov 01 17:39:15 <Tak> I always use irc.freenode.net , but I think chat will work as well
Nov 01 17:39:37 <skibur> so its the same
Nov 01 17:39:40 <skibur> ok
Nov 01 17:40:47 <quux> yes. chat.freenode.net == irc.freenode.net
Nov 01 17:41:55 <skibur> osso-xterm good?
Nov 01 17:42:05 <skibur> I'm a command line person
Nov 01 17:47:12 <red-zack> skibur: yes
Nov 01 17:47:54 <skibur> great, I will get it soon as I get my N800 which is tomorrow
Nov 01 17:48:03 <Tak> heh - you won't get far on the commandline without osso-xterm
Nov 01 17:49:39 <skibur> :)
Nov 01 18:01:30 <pupnik> i'm still somewhat surprised
Nov 01 18:01:54 <pupnik> that in the past 6 months I can count on one hand the number of productive developers who have shown up here
Nov 01 18:02:18 <timeless> eh?
Nov 01 18:02:30 <pupnik> ok maybe two
Nov 01 18:02:57 <pupnik> people who just joined up
Nov 01 18:03:49 * timeless wonders what kind of people pupnik is counting
Nov 01 18:06:03 <rubiks> ok
Nov 01 18:06:12 <rubiks> I'm skibur
Nov 01 18:06:17 <rubiks> I'm at work
Nov 01 18:06:18 <rubiks> :P
Nov 01 18:23:29 <unique311> turned off my n800 oct29....will not turn back on until chinook update...que sera, sera....
Nov 01 18:26:20 <Tak> hmm, what bluetooth service to I need to enable on a winbox to be able to use the device's FileManager->Send via Bluetooth ?
Nov 01 18:35:25 <Tak> aha, finally
Nov 01 18:35:36 * Tak enable everything, disable required security on everything
Nov 01 18:39:33 <Tak> http://www.flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/1815291672/
Nov 01 19:08:10 <keesj> Tak: nice
Nov 01 19:09:55 <sciboy> Kinda wish there was a video encoder on maemo itself, since I would rather wait a long while than have to go through the whole deal of doing it through my computer.
Nov 01 19:10:57 <Tak> you could probably build mencoder
Nov 01 19:12:03 <Tak> keesj: it's almost usable ;-)
Nov 01 19:12:42 <keesj> and its even more that just graphics!
Nov 01 19:14:55 <Tak> ?
Nov 01 19:15:11 <keesj> I just liked the graphics :p
Nov 01 19:15:31 <Tak> ah
Nov 01 19:15:39 <keesj> I did not know it was a working prototype  using ruby?
Nov 01 19:15:40 <Tak> the background, or the buttons? ;-)
Nov 01 19:15:44 <Tak> yes
Nov 01 19:17:08 <vivijim> Tak: what is this?
Nov 01 19:17:43 <Tak> vivijim: it's an onscreen kb for SDL, using Rubygame
Nov 01 19:18:41 <vivijim> uhm it is interesting... and nice
Nov 01 19:41:52 <sciboy> Jaffa, Mind helping me a bit with getting mediaserv going?
Nov 01 19:42:27 <sciboy> Jaffa, I'm getting "Not Found" when I visit the server.
Nov 01 19:44:55 <sciboy> Jaffa, Never mind, forgot to uncomment it.
Nov 01 20:39:26 <|R> zerojay : were you able to make kopete work with n800's video chat?
Nov 01 20:39:33 <|R> (n800 -> linux-PC)
Nov 01 21:00:47 <lauti> hi folks
Nov 01 21:01:11 <lauti> going to use Eclipse 3.3 with CDT 4.1 for cross-compilation
Nov 01 21:01:13 <lauti> any hints?
Nov 01 21:02:09 <lauti> any experiences?
Nov 01 21:02:54 <lauti> I am wondering how can manage to let Eclipse builder compiling within the scratchbox environment...
Nov 01 21:12:39 <lauti> created a hello world project in Eclipse, project files located within my home folder within scratchbox
Nov 01 21:13:03 <lauti> added gtk libs of scratchbox to the linker settings
Nov 01 21:13:17 <lauti> same for include pathes
Nov 01 21:13:44 <lauti> everything is pointing to the scratchbox variants of gtk, both include paths and libx
Nov 01 21:13:46 <lauti> libs
Nov 01 21:13:59 <lauti> it compiles but when it comes to lining it fails
Nov 01 21:14:29 <lauti> I can call the eclipse generated make file from within scratchbox, too
Nov 01 21:14:35 <lauti> this works fine
Nov 01 21:15:17 <lauti> so actually I am at least able to edit the project and then compile within Eclipse just for code syntax check
Nov 01 21:15:39 <lauti> to get a binary i then need to build it again from within scratchbox
Nov 01 21:15:45 <lauti> it's ok, but not perfect
Nov 01 21:16:01 <lauti> any hints to get it done better?
Nov 01 21:57:46 <zerojay> |R: I've never tried, to be honest.
Nov 01 22:02:36 <|R> ok, i just did to no real success :|
Nov 01 22:03:28 <|R> zerojay : with empathy, gossip, kopete... first one doesn't boot... and the others i don't know how i would go about triggering video :|
Nov 01 22:06:16 <zerojay> If you want to do it from Kopete, right click and choose send webcam.
Nov 01 22:06:23 <zerojay> Not sure it will work though.
Nov 01 22:06:32 <zerojay> Pretty sure it won't actually.
Nov 01 22:06:38 <|R> hehe
Nov 01 22:06:39 <zerojay> Someone else would have figured it out already.
Nov 01 22:10:00 <|R> zerojay : uhm, i don't have that action, probably because it needs a local webcam.. damn
Nov 01 22:10:46 <zerojay> yep
Nov 01 22:10:58 <|R> doing a call from the n800 doesn't show anything on kopete either
Nov 01 22:12:15 <Lateralus> Does the 810 use the same flasher utility as the 800?
Nov 01 22:12:22 <skibur> I need to verify something with a N800
Nov 01 22:13:01 <timeless> yes
Nov 01 22:13:09 <skibur> on the device, does the lights on the right side screen suppose to show?
Nov 01 22:13:20 <timeless> ?
Nov 01 22:13:45 <Lateralus> timeless: was that yes directed at me?
Nov 01 22:13:54 <timeless> yes
Nov 01 22:13:59 <Lateralus> timeless: thanks
Nov 01 22:14:01 <skibur> ?
Nov 01 22:14:14 <skibur> do you know what I mean?
Nov 01 22:14:18 <lauti> anyone using Eclipse/CDT to cross compile?
Nov 01 22:14:20 <timeless> no
Nov 01 22:14:20 <Lateralus> skibur: "lights on the right side screen" makes no sense, can you be more specific?
Nov 01 22:15:04 <skibur> ok
Nov 01 22:15:08 <skibur> looking for link
Nov 01 22:16:57 <skibur> http://youtube.com/watch?v=tpGMuBp99sY     on 00:22     Is that normaly?    The lights 5 or 4 of them?
Nov 01 22:17:15 <skibur> N800
Nov 01 22:17:43 <skibur> could eveybody check your N800 to see if it not just me
Nov 01 22:18:57 <timeless> what do you mean right?
Nov 01 22:19:03 <|R> i don't get it?
Nov 01 22:19:05 <timeless> do you mean left?
Nov 01 22:19:22 <skibur> no on the right side of the display
Nov 01 22:19:30 <skibur> in the screen
Nov 01 22:19:54 <timeless> do you mean the status area?
Nov 01 22:20:17 <skibur> did you see the video?
Nov 01 22:20:29 <|R> yes?
Nov 01 22:20:39 <timeless> i only have 3 or 4 n800s
Nov 01 22:20:44 <timeless> and an n810 and a 770 or two
Nov 01 22:20:51 <timeless> your description is at least confused
Nov 01 22:21:23 <timeless> but you'd be better served by finding a screen capture
Nov 01 22:21:28 <timeless> instead of a video
Nov 01 22:21:50 <skibur> its not software
Nov 01 22:21:55 <skibur> I think its hardware
Nov 01 22:22:18 <timeless> pick a time stamp
Nov 01 22:22:22 <timeless> what frame?
Nov 01 22:22:27 <skibur> 00:22
Nov 01 22:23:13 <|R> i have it paused on 0:22
Nov 01 22:23:25 <|R> it's a bit dark hehe :)
Nov 01 22:23:45 <|R> now, you mean to light spot from the right side ?
Nov 01 22:23:54 <timeless> there's a silver border on the device...
Nov 01 22:24:03 <timeless> it does shine....
Nov 01 22:24:09 <|R> hehe
Nov 01 22:24:20 <skibur> 00:34
Nov 01 22:24:22 <skibur> also
Nov 01 22:24:43 <timeless> it's not really silver, just metalic
Nov 01 22:24:54 <timeless> and that's from whatever ligh source was in the room
Nov 01 22:25:10 <timeless> yeah
Nov 01 22:25:15 <skibur> does your n800  have that?
Nov 01 22:25:25 <timeless> that's just glint
Nov 01 22:25:26 <skibur> I was thinking of returning it
Nov 01 22:25:44 * |R more confused :P
Nov 01 22:25:51 * timeless too
Nov 01 22:47:56 <zerojay> He's talking about the LCD lights that you can see on the right side of the N800 screen.
Nov 01 22:48:02 <zerojay> It's normal. They all do it.
Nov 01 22:50:02 <ds3> is there a easy way of changing the virtual keyboard on the N770 (OS2006) to have the same layout as the N800's?
Nov 01 22:50:21 <ds3> the lack of a '|' is easy reach is annoying among other details
Nov 01 22:52:12 <skibur> http://youtube.com/watch?v=lPCQuiAi4yg   1:45     N800     Do you have that brown shade (right side on screen) and little tiny lights (glims 5) at the very edge?
Nov 01 22:52:17 <skibur> N800
Nov 01 22:52:31 <skibur> at the 1:45 mark
Nov 01 22:52:38 <skibur> is that normal?
Nov 01 22:53:01 <Lateralus> Have any of you seen the error "dpkg-gencontrol: error: current build architecture arm does not appear in package's list (armel)" building software using the chinook sdk?
Nov 01 22:53:17 <zerojay> skibur: Yes, it's normal. Every N800 has it.
Nov 01 22:53:22 <zerojay> Let me check your video though.
Nov 01 22:53:29 <skibur> o ok
Nov 01 22:54:08 <zerojay> Yeah, it's not brown, it's just slightly darker.
Nov 01 22:54:25 <zerojay> It looks better in real life than it does in the video.
Nov 01 22:54:32 <Lateralus> My target looks similar to my SDK_ARMEL Bora target, which can build software fine.
Nov 01 22:54:57 <Lateralus> package software fine, that is
Nov 01 22:55:36 <zerojay> skibur: Looking at it head on, you rarely ever notice it, by the way.
Nov 01 22:55:48 <skibur> o ok
Nov 01 22:55:54 <zerojay> Only when you kind of angle it upwards do you notice it.
Nov 01 23:27:10 <Lateralus> What does dpkg-buildpackage use to determine the host architecture? Building software in my bora target the architecture is armel, but it's arm for my chinook target.
Nov 01 23:27:44 <Stalwart> Lateralus, n800 nxclient? o.O
Nov 01 23:28:01 <Lateralus> Stalwart: I'm not following you.
Nov 01 23:28:26 <Stalwart> i'm just curious how good experience is
Nov 01 23:29:08 <Stalwart> i'm going to buy n810, want to know more about it's possibilities
Nov 01 23:48:13 <|R> yé, ipv6 ;)
Nov 02 00:02:41 <Lateralus> Can someone give me the output of dpkg-architecture for their Chinook target?
Nov 02 01:41:40 <ekim\770> hey , how can I get tinymail for maemo, OS 2006
Nov 02 01:42:05 <ekim\770> can someone link me a deb ?
Nov 02 01:42:35 <zerojay> there isn't one.
Nov 02 01:42:38 <zerojay> As far as I know.
Nov 02 01:42:45 <ekim\770> I can only find source
Nov 02 01:43:02 <zerojay> tinymail is the basis for modest.. which will be the new default e-mail client in a future revision of IT2008.
Nov 02 01:43:16 <ekim\770> uhhuhh
Nov 02 01:43:32 <ekim\770> modet hasn't releasd any eiles yet
Nov 02 01:44:20 <ekim\770> I am talking on my n770 btw
Nov 02 01:44:33 <ekim\770> hence the typos
Nov 02 01:45:10 <zerojay> Nothing's released yet.
Nov 02 01:45:49 <ekim\770> :(
Nov 02 01:46:09 <ekim\770> what is the msrp of the n810
Nov 02 01:47:47 <zerojay> $479 I think.
Nov 02 01:48:15 <ekim\770> dang
Nov 02 01:48:39 <ekim\770> I can buy a new laptop for that
Nov 02 01:49:19 <ekim\770> I guess thus means I can get a good price on the n800 now though
Nov 02 01:50:24 <zerojay> Yeah about $230 or so.
Nov 02 01:50:28 <ekim\770> what email client do you use zerojay
Nov 02 01:50:32 <ds3> supposely the UMPC from ASUS is less then that
Nov 02 01:50:50 <zerojay> $300, but it doesn't fit in your pocket. ;)
Nov 02 01:50:58 <ekim\770> i bought this 770 from amazon for 80 bucks
Nov 02 01:51:05 <ds3> ASUS claims ~$200ish
Nov 02 01:51:10 <ekim\770> dude , only 200
Nov 02 01:51:18 <zerojay> ds3: They revised it to $300.
Nov 02 01:51:18 <ekim\770> i sm buyin that
Nov 02 01:51:26 <Stalwart> eeepc is 400$
Nov 02 01:51:38 <zerojay> Stalwart: We're talking about eee.
Nov 02 01:51:48 <ds3> zerojay: the EeePC?
Nov 02 01:51:48 <_Monkey> somebody said the eeepc was with win?
Nov 02 01:51:50 <zerojay> The lowest version is $300.
Nov 02 01:51:50 <ekim\770> yeah , nut that is a laptop isn't it
Nov 02 01:51:53 <Stalwart> yeah, i read log
Nov 02 01:51:54 <ds3> oh :(
Nov 02 01:51:58 <ekim\770> eww
Nov 02 01:52:04 <ekim\770> windows
Nov 02 01:52:08 <Stalwart> i'll buy n810 asap
Nov 02 01:52:15 <zerojay> It was supposed to be $200 but they blamed the cost on manufacturers.
Nov 02 01:52:17 <ds3> EeePC is suppose to be Linux with option to run Windows
Nov 02 01:52:22 <ekim\770> dude its 500 buckx
Nov 02 01:52:31 <ds3> diff options
Nov 02 01:52:38 <Stalwart> standard eee is 400$ with xandros linux
Nov 02 01:52:39 <ekim\770> do you sleep in a bed of money ?
Nov 02 01:52:47 <zerojay> Much rather have a N810 than eee.
Nov 02 01:53:03 <ekim\770> xandros ? , no ubuntu?
Nov 02 01:53:14 <Stalwart> you can put any distro you like on it
Nov 02 01:53:28 <Stalwart> it's generic x86
Nov 02 01:53:32 <zerojay> Ubuntu = n00b
Nov 02 01:53:37 <zerojay> ;P
Nov 02 01:53:41 <Stalwart> get LFS ;)
Nov 02 01:53:55 <ekim\770> no , i just dont like to waste time
Nov 02 01:54:05 <Stalwart> me too
Nov 02 01:54:24 <ekim\770> why make  it harder than it needs to be?
Nov 02 01:55:25 <ekim\770> what mail apps do you guys use ?
Nov 02 01:55:48 <ds3> elm ;)
Nov 02 01:56:24 <penguinbait> still trying to get my kmail stable
Nov 02 01:56:25 <ekim\770> I want thunderbirs for maemo
Nov 02 01:56:41 <ekim\770> thunderbird
Nov 02 01:56:50 <Stalwart> yuck
Nov 02 01:56:59 <Stalwart> try sylpheed
Nov 02 01:57:11 <zerojay> penguinbait: Stable on your n800?
Nov 02 01:57:33 <penguinbait> I compiled 3.5.8 and got kmail to build and work
Nov 02 01:57:44 <ekim\770> i am using claws now
Nov 02 01:57:56 <penguinbait> but it runs for a while and kills the os, can not figure out why
Nov 02 01:58:12 <penguinbait> kde kills not kmail
Nov 02 01:59:38 <ekim\770> k , later guys
Nov 02 02:00:32 <zerojay> Probably the OOM killer.
Nov 02 02:03:17 <penguinbait> OOM?
Nov 02 02:03:18 <_Monkey> it has been said that OOM is out-of-memory (I think, again)
Nov 02 02:03:52 <zerojay> penguinbait: Out of Memory killer.
Nov 02 02:04:05 <zerojay> The OS has run out, so it starts killing processes to keep from crashing the kernel.
Nov 02 02:04:29 <penguinbait> its a library issue, I tried to keep them seperate but eventually the OS finds some libs in usr/loce and it hoses something
Nov 02 02:05:00 <penguinbait> # /usr/local
Nov 02 02:05:56 <penguinbait> it kills the systems and can not reboot, have to reload, and lifeguard infor is useless, at leat to me
Nov 02 02:07:17 <zerojay> In /usr/local, you mean?
Nov 02 02:07:30 <zerojay> You could remove /usr/local from PATH..
Nov 02 02:07:34 <penguinbait> QT 4.3 needed for KDE4Beta wont compile at all for me yet
Nov 02 02:07:43 <penguinbait> it does not fix it
Nov 02 02:08:01 <penguinbait> sometimes I can reapply the flash on top and sometimes I cant
Nov 02 02:08:12 <penguinbait> its a mystery to me
Nov 02 02:08:52 <penguinbait> after reloading the OS about 20 times am giving up on that build and starting again
Nov 02 02:09:22 <penguinbait> its only about 16 hours to compile :)
Nov 02 02:11:13 <zerojay> That's not too bad. I remember it taking me something like 60 on my old PII. ;)
Nov 02 02:11:39 <penguinbait> 1.8p4
Nov 02 02:11:44 <zerojay> Still a pain though.
Nov 02 02:12:49 <penguinbait> I really wish some developers would decide to do this instead of me, They could have a much more stable, integrated, environment
Nov 02 02:13:07 <zerojay> Well, they're all busy working on the one they already have, I guess.
Nov 02 02:13:23 <penguinbait> yup
Nov 02 02:13:38 <zerojay> Wish it were KDE based instead, but what can ya do?
Nov 02 02:13:49 <penguinbait> make it KDE based
Nov 02 02:13:53 <penguinbait> :)
Nov 02 02:13:58 <zerojay> heh.
Nov 02 02:15:16 <penguinbait> its just, I keep getting stuck on compiling kdepim, its would be awesome to have all of it
Nov 02 02:15:45 <penguinbait> its failing on gpg support, and I am not smart enough to hack all the code to remove it
Nov 02 02:15:52 <penguinbait> or fix it
Nov 02 02:16:00 <penguinbait> its pissing me off
Nov 02 02:16:21 <penguinbait> kmail was working good, html mail working great
Nov 02 02:18:18 <zerojay> I believe there's a configure flag for the gpg stuff.
Nov 02 02:22:10 <penguinbait> to point to it, not to turn it off
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