**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 02 02:59:57 2007
Nov 02 03:22:00 <skibur> when do we expect OS2008?
Nov 02 03:23:52 <GeneralAntilles> Mid november.
Nov 02 03:26:18 <zerojay> Maemo Mapper 2.0 released.
Nov 02 03:28:20 <GeneralAntilles> Just saw that.
Nov 02 03:28:28 <GeneralAntilles> Gotta re-download all those maps. >_>
Nov 02 03:29:32 <skibur> thanks
Nov 02 03:52:44 <|R> apt-get upgrade-in' ;)
Nov 02 03:56:26 <GeneralAntilles> zerojay, the autocomplete selection thing is a hildon issue. Use the d-pad.
Nov 02 03:58:33 <GeneralAntilles> It really doesn't like to pan. :\
Nov 02 04:07:21 <unique311> http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?p=1510660&posted=1#post1510660   self portrait day....rocks.....
Nov 02 04:07:30 <unique311> sorry for the off topic post...
Nov 02 04:10:12 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: D-pad doesn't work either, I don't believe.
Nov 02 04:10:22 <zerojay> And I found panning to be really smooth.
Nov 02 04:10:39 <GeneralAntilles> Really, well that's a change from 1.x
Nov 02 04:10:51 <GeneralAntilles> Panning likes to snap back to where it was on me.
Nov 02 04:11:03 <GeneralAntilles> Pan half a screen, then it jumps back to the starting position.
Nov 02 04:44:29 <zerojay> crap, alterego's not around.
Nov 02 04:49:07 <|R> uhm, the POI is a bit awkward in MaemoMapper2
Nov 02 04:49:16 <|R> (can't compare with before though)
Nov 02 04:55:47 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, it is a little weird.
Nov 02 04:56:31 <rubiks> is firefox good on n800?
Nov 02 04:57:35 <astro76> rubiks, this is the one you want, mozilla based http://browser.garage.maemo.org/
Nov 02 04:57:40 <astro76> it works extremely well
Nov 02 04:58:02 <GeneralAntilles> It'll be default with OS2008
Nov 02 04:58:02 <astro76> I can do google maps with streetview on the n800
Nov 02 04:59:43 <rubiks> cool
Nov 02 05:05:13 <|R> the number of page of POI downloaded is not listened to... the zoom seems to affect the results... and i get different POI names for the same place and it doesn't deal with double entry either. Besides that, it rocks hehe ;)
Nov 02 05:05:43 <|R> (oh and the category menu doesn't overwrite the query field after one has been entered unless it is deleted by hand :P)
Nov 02 05:06:42 <GeneralAntilles> It's a pain to delete the dupes.
Nov 02 05:06:54 <|R> yep
Nov 02 05:07:15 <|R> i had to go through all the list unchecking everything except the dupes (one of them)
Nov 02 05:09:01 <rubiks> how about email?  claw email?
Nov 02 05:09:21 <GeneralAntilles> I wouldn't bother until modest comes out.
Nov 02 05:09:26 <GeneralAntilles> Or, maybe, use webmail.
Nov 02 05:13:21 <|R> claw is huge
Nov 02 05:13:29 <|R> 8MB just for the base package...
Nov 02 05:13:58 * |R still running of the internal ram and wondering how apt could be told to install on the SD and ln -s(-ing) everything... :P
Nov 02 05:14:05 <|R> s/ram/rom
Nov 02 05:14:09 <|R> s/rom/flash
Nov 02 05:14:11 <|R> anyway :P
Nov 02 05:15:02 <rubiks> o ok
Nov 02 05:16:08 * |R will need to fit Gjiden and fonts / input etc before mars on an N8*0
Nov 02 05:17:22 <rubiks> wow a lot of apps
Nov 02 05:18:48 <rubiks> tons
Nov 02 05:33:02 <skibur> hum...
Nov 02 05:33:19 <skibur> any program to read excel files
Nov 02 05:42:44 <czr> skibur, rm ?
Nov 02 05:42:50 <czr> oh, it doesn't read them though.
Nov 02 05:43:37 <skibur> rm?
Nov 02 05:43:41 <skibur> remove
Nov 02 05:43:43 <skibur> ok
Nov 02 05:43:45 <skibur> lol
Nov 02 05:44:32 <czr> but one could class it as excel file processor :-) if not reader.
Nov 02 06:03:05 <|R> gnumeric? if you can get it to install..
Nov 02 06:32:06 <|R> what the hell is GPS-Mouse ?
Nov 02 06:32:11 <|R> i see this on some bluetooth GPS...
Nov 02 06:32:30 <|R> GPS is not precise enougth to act as a mouse yet ;)
Nov 02 06:33:45 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Nov 02 06:33:58 <GeneralAntilles> Now _that_ sounds like an idea.
Nov 02 06:34:07 <|R> http://www.holux.com/JCore/en/products/products_content.jsp?pno=227
Nov 02 06:34:10 <|R> like here
Nov 02 06:34:16 <|R> Bluetooth + GPS-mouse
Nov 02 06:34:27 <|R> as an interface...
Nov 02 06:34:28 <|R> wth
Nov 02 06:34:30 <GeneralAntilles> Hire some high school kid to run around in the middle of a field with your GPS.
Nov 02 06:34:42 <|R> haha
Nov 02 06:34:46 <|R> jump! yes we have a click!
Nov 02 06:34:47 <GeneralAntilles> "A little to the left!"
Nov 02 06:35:50 <|R> any suggestion on what bt gps to get? :)
Nov 02 06:35:59 <|R> i m looking for something dirt cheap on eBay...
Nov 02 06:36:16 <GeneralAntilles> i-blue 737
Nov 02 06:36:19 <GeneralAntilles> I wouldn't buy anything else.
Nov 02 06:36:24 <|R> oh?
Nov 02 06:36:45 <|R> what happened? :P
Nov 02 06:37:14 <GeneralAntilles> Chipset is better than SiRF III
Nov 02 06:37:23 <GeneralAntilles> lasts 16 hours on a full charge
Nov 02 06:37:28 <GeneralAntilles> and, like, forever in standby
Nov 02 06:37:32 <GeneralAntilles> locks on fast
Nov 02 06:37:35 <GeneralAntilles> incredibly accurate
Nov 02 06:37:47 <GeneralAntilles> Plus, it takes those Nokia BL-5C batteries, which are everywhere.
Nov 02 06:38:19 <GeneralAntilles> Charges over USB
Nov 02 06:38:41 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, and it has a nice grippy rubber pad on the bottom so it doesn't like around on the dashboard.
Nov 02 06:39:13 <|R> hehe, how about the 757 with the solar panel? (i guess they're not dirt cheap though ;)
Nov 02 06:39:28 <GeneralAntilles> ~$70-80 for the 757
Nov 02 06:39:41 <GeneralAntilles> versus ~40-50 for the i-blue (at least the last time I looked)
Nov 02 06:39:47 <GeneralAntilles> erm, *737
Nov 02 06:40:22 <|R> is that company australian?
Nov 02 06:40:31 <|R> they're all from australia on eBay :P
Nov 02 06:40:35 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Nov 02 06:40:39 <|R> (25-35$ shipping, arf)
Nov 02 06:40:40 <GeneralAntilles> I know they're not US.
Nov 02 06:40:43 <GeneralAntilles> I was guessing UK
Nov 02 06:41:33 <GeneralAntilles> Amazon? http://www.amazon.com/i-Blue-737-Bluetooth-GPS-Receiver/dp/B000KH7MZ4/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-1524817-1829554?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1193985664&sr=8-1
Nov 02 06:41:53 <|R> they won't ship to canada for some stupid reason...
Nov 02 06:42:09 <|R> go figure, amazon.ca doesn't have anything but books
Nov 02 06:42:18 <GeneralAntilles> Oops
Nov 02 06:42:22 <|R> and amazon.com won't ship 100km above their frontier!
Nov 02 06:43:04 <GeneralAntilles> It's that pesky border.
Nov 02 06:43:10 <|R> i guess hehe
Nov 02 06:43:21 <|R> is thinkgeek a total ripoff in the states?
Nov 02 06:43:33 <GeneralAntilles> I'd just as soon open the damn thing up.
Nov 02 06:43:35 <|R> cause here we always end up paying more in shipping and taxes from the than the actual product we bougth :P
Nov 02 06:43:40 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno, never shop there.
Nov 02 06:43:49 <|R> i dont anymore hehe
Nov 02 06:43:52 <GeneralAntilles> They do have stuff nobody else seems to bother with, though.
Nov 02 06:44:06 <|R> yeah sometimes they have funny stuff (ok yes, i'm a geek ;)
Nov 02 06:44:19 <rubiks> nice
Nov 02 06:44:20 <|R> i got a wifi detector t-shirt for halloween haha ;)
Nov 02 06:44:26 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 02 06:45:05 <GeneralAntilles> I need an external drive enclosure. . . .
Nov 02 06:45:16 <GeneralAntilles> Got 5-slots internal and they're all full. :$
Nov 02 06:45:40 <|R> i love how everything looks cheap in £ :P
Nov 02 06:46:02 <|R> oh yes, only 30! oh wait, that's 65 canadian! :P
Nov 02 06:46:08 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 02 06:46:18 <GeneralAntilles> Imagine how USD/CAD looks to them.
Nov 02 06:46:39 <|R> prices in europe are crazy
Nov 02 06:47:00 <|R> so they must look at eBay and buy bananas or something hehe :)
Nov 02 06:47:37 <|R> shipping from hongkong: 18$... shipping from the states: 25$...
Nov 02 06:47:41 <|R> wtf !
Nov 02 06:47:48 <|R> I'm on the east coast...
Nov 02 06:48:13 <|R> i love how people are trying to hide the price in shipping cost on eBay ;)
Nov 02 06:53:25 <|R> ok, so MTK over SiRFIII.. urhm
Nov 02 06:53:54 <rubiks> what version of 2007 is the most current?
Nov 02 06:54:04 <|R> 38-2 or something (from my head)
Nov 02 06:54:53 <rubiks> I can find a link to flash my os
Nov 02 06:55:05 <rubiks> can't
Nov 02 06:55:29 <|R> http://maemo.org/community/wiki
Nov 02 06:55:33 <|R> it's right there, on the wiki ;)
Nov 02 06:55:40 <rubiks> thanks
Nov 02 06:58:09 <|R> is anything from china/hongkong on eBay actually an original?
Nov 02 06:58:45 <GeneralAntilles> Somehow I doubt it.
Nov 02 07:00:35 <|R> oh, 737 does egnos too
Nov 02 07:02:06 <rubiks> I have version 4.2007.26-8
Nov 02 07:02:15 <|R> not the latest
Nov 02 07:02:36 <rubiks> I will flash it tomorrow :)
Nov 02 07:02:58 <|R> GeneralAntilles : there seems to be an i-blue 737 version 2...
Nov 02 07:03:03 <rubiks> good night hackers ;)
Nov 02 07:03:07 <|R> this is getting confusing
Nov 02 07:03:12 <|R> rubiks : gn :)
Nov 02 07:03:28 <GeneralAntilles> There's a 5hz version, too.
Nov 02 07:03:46 <|R> what's 5hz?
Nov 02 07:03:55 <GeneralAntilles> versus 1hz
Nov 02 07:03:59 <|R> oh
Nov 02 07:04:03 <|R> ok :)
Nov 02 07:04:15 <|R> must be eating battery at 5hz too? :P
Nov 02 07:04:24 <GeneralAntilles> Probably
Nov 02 07:04:31 <GeneralAntilles> But the extra accuracy would be quite awesome
Nov 02 07:04:40 <GeneralAntilles> I'd like to see maemo mapper have support for it.
Nov 02 07:04:47 <|R> :)
Nov 02 07:04:54 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody'd probably have to buy gnuite one, though.
Nov 02 07:06:53 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.semsons.com/i737blgps5hz.html
Nov 02 07:08:23 <|R> i just sold my old etrex Legend and an iAudio D2 to get my n800
Nov 02 07:08:35 <|R> now i'll by the GPS back, and when i get an OpenMoko, sell it back ;)
Nov 02 07:08:56 <|R> (and get PANd working to access the gpsd of openmoko or something :P)
Nov 02 07:13:27 <mikemorrison> anyone in here have an n810?
Nov 02 07:13:41 <|R> some have i guess, but most wish :P
Nov 02 07:15:11 <GeneralAntilles> konttori would be your man
Nov 02 07:15:15 <GeneralAntilles> but he just left.
Nov 02 07:18:29 <|R> http://europe.nokia.com/A4317011
Nov 02 07:18:31 <|R> oh i want this
Nov 02 07:20:13 <mikemorrison> ok thanks.. just wanted someone to test my program.. bit of a shot in the dark without having something to test it on..
Nov 02 07:20:53 <|R> ok, off to bed...
Nov 02 07:20:56 <|R> see ya :)
Nov 02 07:28:49 <L0cutus> Buongiorno
Nov 02 07:33:17 <czr> privet
Nov 02 09:01:59 <pparker> Hi here
Nov 02 09:03:45 <pparker> I want to install maemomapper 2
Nov 02 09:04:19 <pparker> But a dependancy is missing
Nov 02 09:04:26 <pparker> Libconic0
Nov 02 09:09:44 <X-Fade> pparker: You run OS2006?
Nov 02 09:09:59 <disq> it's available in the gregale repository
Nov 02 09:10:11 <disq> but you'll need red pill mode or dpkg -i, if you're installing manually
Nov 02 09:10:57 <pparker> I got it installed
Nov 02 09:14:35 <pparker> And it's running
Nov 02 09:39:45 <amr> how odd, my 770 turns back on when i turn it off
Nov 02 09:40:11 <amr> same thing if i turn it off holding the power switch at the top or tapping it and pressing switch off
Nov 02 10:00:17 <GeneralAntilles> It doesn't want you to kill it.
Nov 02 11:03:53 <amr> it has feelings
Nov 02 11:03:53 <amr> :-(
Nov 02 11:06:52 <db48x> amr: yes, it's clearly developed sentience. turning it off would be murder
Nov 02 11:07:55 <db48x> amr: what was it you installed last? ;)
Nov 02 11:09:23 <zerojay> I love how absolutely perfect this looks on a tablet screen: http://www.jablet.net
Nov 02 11:10:17 <red-zack> i have a dark one that look pretty on my 770
Nov 02 11:10:51 <red-zack> zerojay: this is an n800 theme. named adria.
Nov 02 11:11:12 <zerojay> red-zack: I know what it is.
Nov 02 11:11:25 <Robot101> jablet...?
Nov 02 11:11:37 <zerojay> red-zack: I'm talking about the webpage just perfectly fitting on the screen with no scrollbars needed.
Nov 02 11:11:37 <red-zack> dunno. but i am using jabber right now
Nov 02 11:11:54 <zerojay> Robot101: Something myself and Texrat are working on.
Nov 02 11:11:55 <pupnik> that's plankton theme
Nov 02 11:11:56 <red-zack> zerojay: oh, ok. sry. missunderstood
Nov 02 11:12:12 <pupnik> adria?
Nov 02 11:12:23 <zerojay> No. :/
Nov 02 11:12:30 <Robot101> zerojay: what's the plan?
Nov 02 11:13:39 <zerojay> Robot101: To offer Jabber, e-mail and other things (blogging?) to tablet users... especially aiming for the complete n00bs that don't know what Jabber is, etc.
Nov 02 11:14:19 <zerojay> Eventually, we're going to have a simple set up program that will ask for your name/pass for AIM/MSN, etc.. and register them automatically with our IM gateways, for instance.
Nov 02 11:14:29 <GeneralAntilles> This (http://kalle.vahlman.googlepages.com/gimp-on-n800.png) is Plankton, pupnik. ;)
Nov 02 11:14:35 <zerojay> So you won't need to do it manually on a PC Jabber client.
Nov 02 11:15:02 <zerojay> We've got big plans.
Nov 02 11:15:30 <zerojay> We'll see how it goes, but for just coming up with the idea two days ago, we've already come a long way. lol
Nov 02 11:15:39 <GeneralAntilles> That way, I can stop alluding to the mystical Jabber servers for those poor pidgin schmucks on ITT. :D
Nov 02 11:15:47 <pupnik> :)
Nov 02 11:16:09 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Exactly.
Nov 02 11:16:17 <zerojay> One server that you already know has them all working.
Nov 02 11:16:23 <zerojay> Less guesswork and hunting.
Nov 02 11:16:44 <zerojay> We're going to eventually move to our own server so we can directly handle everything.
Nov 02 11:17:46 <GeneralAntilles> Be sure to let me know when you open up a donations page, zerojay.
Nov 02 11:18:32 <zerojay> GeneralAntilles: Will do. If you're interested in helping out in other ways or if you want an address now (since it's clear you know how to connect ;) let me know and I'll set you up.
Nov 02 11:18:59 <zerojay> By the way... I'm aiming at keeping all of it 100% free for one and all.
Nov 02 11:22:50 <zerojay> And off to work I go.
Nov 02 11:38:39 <amr> db48x, uhm no idea
Nov 02 11:39:18 <amr> maemomind i think
Nov 02 11:39:22 <amr> or battlejeweled
Nov 02 11:39:30 * alterego barps
Nov 02 11:40:23 <amr> why has no one made plankton for the 770 >:(
Nov 02 11:40:34 <alterego> So I woke up this morning with a choice. Do I do job work or ruby-maemo work.
Nov 02 11:40:51 <amr> ruby-maemo
Nov 02 11:40:52 <_Monkey> rumour has it ruby-maemo is coming along really nicely
Nov 02 11:41:03 <alterego> Heh
Nov 02 11:41:11 <amr> only do job work if its fun
Nov 02 11:41:12 <amr> :-)
Nov 02 11:41:30 <GeneralAntilles> amr, flash to OS2007HE
Nov 02 11:41:34 <alterego> Well, it is pretty fun.
Nov 02 11:41:45 <alterego> But I've got the whole weekend to do it.
Nov 02 11:41:49 <amr> i've heard bad things about he
Nov 02 11:41:54 <amr> so i'm trying to avoid it
Nov 02 11:41:59 <GeneralAntilles> It's much faster than 2006
Nov 02 11:42:10 <alterego> Hmm, I think I'll start the day off with job work, then do ruby-maemo later on.
Nov 02 11:42:12 <amr> is it as stable?
Nov 02 11:42:19 <GeneralAntilles> seatbelt will cure the oom crashes.
Nov 02 11:42:30 <GeneralAntilles> In some ways more so and some ways less.
Nov 02 11:43:07 <amr> hm i may have to do that this weekend then
Nov 02 11:43:12 <GeneralAntilles> Mine has been rock-solid since I installed seatbelt.
Nov 02 11:43:18 <GeneralAntilles> (2 770s)
Nov 02 11:46:37 <amr> 2?
Nov 02 11:46:37 <amr> :o
Nov 02 11:46:37 <_Monkey> i heard 2 was kernel
Nov 02 11:46:52 <lardman> _Monkey ignore 2
Nov 02 11:46:53 <_Monkey> lardman: sorry...
Nov 02 11:47:04 <lardman> _Monkey forget 2
Nov 02 11:47:04 <_Monkey> lardman: I forgot 2
Nov 02 11:47:12 <amr> lol
Nov 02 11:47:56 * lardman was rather confused by the conversation until he realised it was _Monkey who made the last comment
Nov 02 11:51:09 <GeneralAntilles> amr, one's from 2005 and the other I bought when they hit woot (mostly for the extra battery and charger for my N800).
Nov 02 11:51:54 <amr> lol fair enough
Nov 02 11:51:58 <alterego> The 770 and N800 use the same battery?
Nov 02 11:52:00 <amr> anyway, time for college
Nov 02 11:52:13 <lardman> alterego: yeo
Nov 02 11:52:18 <lardman> yep
Nov 02 11:52:28 <alterego> Cool.
Nov 02 12:15:35 <alterego> So, today is the last day for applying to the device program.
Nov 02 12:16:06 <disq> wonder how many applications are received so far
Nov 02 12:16:12 <alterego> Ooo, and the N810 is being released in just a couple of weeks. Cool :)
Nov 02 12:16:21 <alterego> Yeah,
Nov 02 12:18:04 <alterego> I'd guess at least 1,00
Nov 02 12:18:08 <alterego> 1,000
Nov 02 12:21:27 <disq> they had trouble finding 500 *developers* for the n800 program (and afaik gave away remaining codes to bloggers and such) but since the device program is not just for developers any more
Nov 02 12:21:44 <disq> my guess would be around 3,000
Nov 02 12:21:48 <lardman> really?
Nov 02 12:21:51 <lardman> trouble?
Nov 02 12:21:52 <_Monkey> trouble is that I'm leaving for India in an hour.
Nov 02 12:22:03 <disq> _Monkey: lol
Nov 02 12:22:03 <_Monkey> disq: huh?
Nov 02 12:22:11 <alterego> There are only ~350 projects on the maemo garage.
Nov 02 12:22:17 <lardman> _Monkey: forget trouble
Nov 02 12:22:18 <_Monkey> lardman: I forgot trouble
Nov 02 12:22:28 <keesj>  7,203  I would say
Nov 02 12:22:29 <disq> _Monkey: trouble is <reply>
Nov 02 12:22:30 <_Monkey> OK, disq.
Nov 02 12:22:47 <lardman> _Monkey: _Monkey is trouble
Nov 02 12:22:47 <_Monkey> ...but _monkey is the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now | an annoying bot...
Nov 02 12:23:12 <lardman> need to change that | to an &
Nov 02 12:23:19 <alterego> :)
Nov 02 12:30:51 <bedboi> i have a lot of ideas on how to use the GPS device atop of n810
Nov 02 12:33:51 <Tak> alterego: http://flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/1815291672/
Nov 02 12:50:48 <lardman> bbl
Nov 02 12:53:50 <alterego> Tak, that's awesome :)
Nov 02 12:56:18 <Tak> :-)
Nov 02 12:56:34 <alterego> Got space to work yet?
Nov 02 12:57:22 <Tak> moo?
Nov 02 12:57:38 <alterego> spacebar
Nov 02 12:57:46 <alterego> ASCII 32 :P
Nov 02 12:57:57 <Tak> oh - no, it's throwing an exception
Nov 02 12:58:13 <alterego> ?
Nov 02 12:58:56 <Tak> the TTF object is throwing an exception when the keyboard tries to render a character with a space
Nov 02 12:59:21 <alterego> Weird, is that supposed to happen?
Nov 02 12:59:56 <Tak> No.
Nov 02 13:00:27 <Tak> I've put that on my "I'll come back to it" list
Nov 02 13:00:33 <alterego> Yeah
Nov 02 13:01:02 <alterego> I wonder if it's got anything to do with the unusual way that maemo handles spacebar.
Nov 02 13:01:12 <alterego> It's different to other "key" presses.
Nov 02 13:01:30 <alterego> And you're using the Maemo keyboard XML file right?
Nov 02 13:02:03 <Tak> yeah, but they don't have a character in there for spcae
Nov 02 13:02:19 <alterego> Ah,
Nov 02 13:02:49 <Tak> <key size="4" whitespace="WHITESPACE"></key>
Nov 02 13:03:08 <Tak> where a normal key is like: <key size="3" alpha="ALPHA">z</key>
Nov 02 13:03:33 <alterego> Interesting
Nov 02 13:04:01 <alterego> I think I'll give ruby-maemo a break today and work on my XML editor for maemo :)
Nov 02 13:04:26 <Tak> cool
Nov 02 13:04:46 <alterego> Written in Ruby though of course ;)
Nov 02 13:04:59 <Tak> but of course!
Nov 02 13:06:38 <alterego> Have you been using the maemo 4 sdk much?
Nov 02 13:08:20 <Tak> no, not at all
Nov 02 13:08:44 <Tak> I need to redo my sbox/sdk installations
Nov 02 13:43:36 <rubiks> good morning people
Nov 02 13:45:47 <rubiks> I'm starting to like my n800,  I guess the brown shade at the right of the screen is normal.
Nov 02 13:47:50 <alterego> rubiks, if you're talking about what I think you're talking about it's dirt/scratch marks from using that side of the screen.
Nov 02 13:47:59 <alterego> Probably just on the screen protector.
Nov 02 13:50:37 <rubiks> you can barely notice it.
Nov 02 13:50:46 <alterego> Yeah
Nov 02 13:52:23 <rubiks> I was looking at some videos and I saw that I was not the only one that has it :)
Nov 02 13:53:46 <alterego> Yeah, I've got some discolouration from dirt and scratches on that side. Obviously from using the scollbar
Nov 02 13:55:16 <rubiks> yeah but o well, like i said. "barely noticeable"
Nov 02 13:55:42 <alterego> You can always replace the screen protector.
Nov 02 13:55:51 <alterego> They're pretty cheap.
Nov 02 13:57:48 <rubiks> well need to go to class
Nov 02 13:58:07 <rubiks> happy hacking
Nov 02 13:58:14 <alterego> Bye
Nov 02 14:07:35 * alterego wonders why there's no pkg-config file for hildonfm ..
Nov 02 14:07:51 <alterego> So I'm going to have to do it manually aye ..
Nov 02 14:14:16 <zyxulnaga> is there a way to enable RD mode from windows?
Nov 02 14:37:50 * penguinbait slaps zyxulnaga around a bit with a large trout
Nov 02 14:48:16 <keesj> happy happy jow joy
Nov 02 14:48:27 <keesj> bla bla bla
Nov 02 14:48:40 <keesj> I hope talking here does not increase me carma :p
Nov 02 14:48:48 <keesj> me = my
Nov 02 14:48:58 <penguinbait> karma
Nov 02 14:49:08 <alterego> I have 3
Nov 02 14:49:10 <keesj> yes , ooops
Nov 02 14:49:22 <penguinbait> 3 alter egos?
Nov 02 14:49:53 <Tak> keesj: if it did, mine would be a lot higher ;-)
Nov 02 14:49:59 <alterego> 3 karma points
Nov 02 14:50:12 <Tak> and _Monkey would blow us all away
Nov 02 14:50:15 <keesj> indeed
Nov 02 14:50:19 <keesj> lol
Nov 02 14:50:22 <penguinbait> ah, thought maybe split personality
Nov 02 14:50:39 <keesj> _Monkey: do you have karma?
Nov 02 14:50:40 <_Monkey> no idea, keesj
Nov 02 14:51:02 <penguinbait> so alterego, is your alterego, alterego?
Nov 02 14:51:27 <alterego> I dunno.
Nov 02 14:51:45 <penguinbait> I was confused myself
Nov 02 14:52:50 <penguinbait> I just figured if my alterego was penguinbait, then your alterego would be alterego
Nov 02 14:53:31 * penguinbait slaps penguinbait around a bit with a large trout
Nov 02 14:53:32 <alterego> Ah,
Nov 02 14:53:48 <alterego> Well I guess you're right.
Nov 02 15:00:37 <penguinbait> holy crap, I just got kdepim to compile after 50 attempts, korganizer, kontact, kalarm, kmail...  now to go test and see if it actually works
Nov 02 15:01:31 <milhouse> karma _monkey
Nov 02 15:01:31 <_Monkey> _monkey has karma of 3
Nov 02 15:01:56 <milhouse> karma keesj
Nov 02 15:01:56 <_Monkey> keesj has neutral karma
Nov 02 15:02:02 <milhouse> keesj++
Nov 02 15:02:05 <milhouse> karma keesj
Nov 02 15:02:05 <_Monkey> keesj has karma of 1
Nov 02 15:02:43 <milhouse> penguinbait++
Nov 02 15:08:18 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 02 15:13:00 <keesj> Hi
Nov 02 15:23:34 <rubiks> how long does it take flash the n800?
Nov 02 15:24:04 <Jaffa> The flashing itself takes a few minutes, the reconfiguration/reinstallation of all your third party apps can take a bit longer ;-)
Nov 02 15:25:36 <rubiks> o ok
Nov 02 15:26:11 <rubiks>  I should wait for os2008
Nov 02 15:26:18 <Jaffa> Yeah
Nov 02 15:26:20 <Jaffa> I would
Nov 02 15:27:05 <rubiks> are on your nokia?
Nov 02 15:27:12 <TPC> maemo mapper 2.0 is nice
Nov 02 15:27:18 <TPC> altought a bit buggy
Nov 02 15:30:28 <rubiks> do you have a gps?
Nov 02 15:33:22 <derf> Maemo Mapper has always been a bit buggy.
Nov 02 15:34:37 <pupnik> dang, diy wlan antennas are fun fun fun
Nov 02 15:49:47 <penguinbait> it works KDEPIM is working for KDE on tablet, kmail, korganizer, kontact, and more
Nov 02 15:50:16 <zpol> hola
Nov 02 15:50:41 <penguinbait> hello
Nov 02 15:50:41 <_Monkey> hi, penguinbait
Nov 02 15:52:37 <zoran> penguinbait, what libs on tablet?
Nov 02 15:52:59 * flip^ installs the PADD theme on his n800, and then regrets it >.<
Nov 02 15:53:18 <penguinbait> you have to have KDE already installed
Nov 02 15:53:21 <penguinbait> ?
Nov 02 15:53:28 <zpol> heya penguinbait
Nov 02 15:53:29 <_Monkey> penguinbait is probably running kde,  on n800 now
Nov 02 15:54:05 <penguinbait> yes I am, now with kmail and html mail and oh I am getting giddy
Nov 02 15:54:21 <zoran> hm, n800?
Nov 02 15:54:22 <_Monkey> n800 is much better than a desk phone :-)
Nov 02 15:54:35 <zoran> n800 is space can
Nov 02 15:55:15 <penguinbait> I want to run this on 810 with built it keyboard, can't wait!!
Nov 02 15:55:37 <zoran> you have kde on n800?
Nov 02 15:55:49 <penguinbait> yes, KDE on n800
Nov 02 15:55:56 <penguinbait> you can have it too :)
Nov 02 15:56:15 <zoran> what libs and how memory goes for it?
Nov 02 15:58:59 <penguinbait> kicker using about 12MB, klipper about 8mb, kmail using about 24Mb, after loading 3000+ headers and currently displaying a html email. konqueror is using about 13MB
Nov 02 15:59:23 <penguinbait> I have 128MB swap with 3MB used
Nov 02 15:59:58 <zoran> huh!
Nov 02 16:01:17 <penguinbait> its not superfast, but its not slow either, very useable.  Better with external keyboard, thats why I am looking forward to 810, and not having to drap mu su-w8 nokia keyboard out
Nov 02 16:01:43 <penguinbait> s/drap mu/drag my/
Nov 02 16:01:44 <infobot> penguinbait meant: its not superfast, but its not slow either, very useable.  Better with external keyboard, thats why I am looking forward to 810, and not having to drag my su-w8 nokia keyboard out
Nov 02 16:01:58 <zoran> :)
Nov 02 16:02:00 <penguinbait> hehe
Nov 02 16:02:04 <penguinbait> yeah thats it
Nov 02 16:02:18 <penguinbait> nice bot, thats handy
Nov 02 16:02:20 <zoran> could infobot digest it once more for me?
Nov 02 16:02:34 <zuh> infobot is great
Nov 02 16:02:40 <zuh> s/great/stupid/
Nov 02 16:02:40 <infobot> zuh meant: infobot is stupid
Nov 02 16:03:35 <zoran> s/infobot/click/
Nov 02 16:03:36 <infobot> zoran meant: could click digest it once more for me?
Nov 02 16:03:47 <zoran> yes, please
Nov 02 16:04:35 <zoran> in what colors infobot comes? yellow for my room?
Nov 02 16:04:35 <fysafysa> wow, this Apple Wireless keyboard is amazingly light and tidy.
Nov 02 16:04:56 <keesj> fysafysa: url?
Nov 02 16:04:57 <_Monkey> rumour has it url is intenionally private :)
Nov 02 16:05:03 <keesj> does it work with maemo?
Nov 02 16:05:11 <fysafysa> http://www.apple.com/keyboard/
Nov 02 16:05:15 <Jaffa> _Monkey: forget url
Nov 02 16:05:15 <_Monkey> Jaffa: I forgot url
Nov 02 16:05:43 <Jaffa> Why've we both got infobot *and* _Monkey?
Nov 02 16:05:55 <fysafysa> it would be an excellent HTPC keyboard also.
Nov 02 16:06:03 <fysafysa> pairing it now..
Nov 02 16:06:30 <zoran> _Monkey, forget maemo
Nov 02 16:06:31 <_Monkey> zoran: I forgot maemo
Nov 02 16:06:36 <Tak> Jaffa: excellent question.
Nov 02 16:07:15 <zoran> Jaffa, where it is located?
Nov 02 16:08:02 <Jaffa> zoran: what do you mean? And I'm fairly certain _Monkey had a good definition for "Maemo" - but a very bad one for "url"
Nov 02 16:08:13 <fysafysa> paired.
Nov 02 16:08:58 <zoran> Jaffa, why was I at all allowed to change basic options for infobot?
Nov 02 16:09:04 <fysafysa> I really want a wireless bluetooth optical mouse that you wear as a ring..
Nov 02 16:09:16 <Tak> and it makes you invisible?
Nov 02 16:09:17 <zoran> I thought it was not possible
Nov 02 16:10:54 <fysakk> this may take some getting used to
Nov 02 16:11:25 <fysakk> coming from an IBM M keyboard
Nov 02 16:11:46 <Jaffa> zoran: I dunno - I don't run the bot. I think the assumption is we wouldn't have random vandalism
Nov 02 16:12:03 <zoran> _hm
Nov 02 16:12:31 <zoran> it should be owner accessible only
Nov 02 16:12:39 <Jaffa> No, that's not the point
Nov 02 16:12:57 <zoran> so, my fun made a big disaster
Nov 02 16:13:07 <Jaffa> Yup ;-)
Nov 02 16:13:08 <zoran> the bot should be protected
Nov 02 16:13:14 <zoran> and sorry!
Nov 02 16:14:10 <zoran> _Monkey, setting maemo is "good linux"
Nov 02 16:14:11 <_Monkey> OK, zoran.
Nov 02 16:14:22 <Jaffa> _Monkey: no, maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/
Nov 02 16:14:22 <_Monkey> OK, Jaffa.
Nov 02 16:14:35 <Jaffa> Actually that's infobot's own out of date one.
Nov 02 16:14:51 <sp3000> no, maemo?
Nov 02 16:14:56 <Jaffa> _Monkey: no, maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/
Nov 02 16:14:56 <_Monkey> ...but maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/...
Nov 02 16:15:04 <Jaffa> _Monkey: no, maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/
Nov 02 16:15:04 <_Monkey> ...but maemo is a development platform to create applications for Nokia 770 Internet Tablet and other maemo compliant handheld devices in the future. http://www.maemo.org/...
Nov 02 16:15:10 <Jaffa> _Monkey: forget maemo
Nov 02 16:15:10 <_Monkey> Jaffa: I forgot maemo
Nov 02 16:15:11 <Jaffa> _Monkey: no, maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/
Nov 02 16:15:12 <_Monkey> OK, Jaffa.
Nov 02 16:15:17 <sp3000> it doesn't ...yeah, that
Nov 02 16:15:33 <sp3000> interesting, it did at least not include the "no, " ;)
Nov 02 16:15:38 <sp3000> in the key
Nov 02 16:15:48 <zoran> I'm fascinated
Nov 02 16:16:18 <Jaffa> sp3000: indeed - you can correct a recent edit, but I obviously wasn't quick enough second time round
Nov 02 16:16:50 <sp3000> you can?
Nov 02 16:16:53 <sp3000> setting maemo?
Nov 02 16:16:54 <_Monkey> well, setting maemo is "good linux"
Nov 02 16:16:57 <sp3000> :)
Nov 02 16:16:59 <Jaffa> Oh, ok
Nov 02 16:17:11 <Jaffa> _Monkey: forget setting maemo
Nov 02 16:17:11 <_Monkey> Jaffa: I forgot setting maemo
Nov 02 16:17:19 * Jaffa goes to have a cuppa
Nov 02 16:17:28 <penguinbait> In case anyone is interested in kdepim, I posted some screen shots
Nov 02 16:17:29 <penguinbait> http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=89882
Nov 02 16:21:27 <zoran> _Monkey, tell zoran about maemo
Nov 02 16:21:27 <_Monkey> i guess maemo is a development platform to create applications for the Nokia N800 and N810 Internet Tablets. http://www.maemo.org/
Nov 02 16:21:35 <keesj> penguinbait: you are also running kde in maemo?
Nov 02 16:21:35 <_Monkey> okay, keesj.
Nov 02 16:21:56 <pupnik> you?
Nov 02 16:22:20 <keesj> are you....
Nov 02 16:22:53 <keesj> I see the kde menu bar here http://penguinbait.com/kdepim4.png
Nov 02 16:22:53 <Jaffa> penguinbait: do you run _Monkey? Is that why he recognised your nick as himself?
Nov 02 16:22:57 <pupnik> just testing to see whether the impertinent bot responded to you
Nov 02 16:23:15 <Jaffa> Nope, looks like it's Neil Macleod's.
Nov 02 16:25:26 <penguinbait> no nothing about monkry
Nov 02 16:25:29 <penguinbait> monkey
Nov 02 16:25:29 <_Monkey> monkey is a not-very-smart bot
Nov 02 16:26:05 <zoran> penguinbait, not bad
Nov 02 16:26:23 <pupnik> i find the number of spammy interjections just barely bearable
Nov 02 16:26:33 <alterego> Who's running KDE on their tablet?
Nov 02 16:26:38 <alterego> That's insane ..
Nov 02 16:26:39 <penguinbait> not sure what you mean in maemo
Nov 02 16:26:44 <zoran> not me
Nov 02 16:26:45 <penguinbait> I am
Nov 02 16:26:47 <penguinbait> :)
Nov 02 16:27:02 <alterego> It looks horrible.
Nov 02 16:27:12 <penguinbait> what looks horrible?
Nov 02 16:27:14 <alterego> Forgot how much I don't like KDE :/
Nov 02 16:27:20 <zoran> my good friend runs kde and I see it as a perfect solution, but for him
Nov 02 16:27:41 <pupnik> penguinbait's KDE experiments are a valuable source of info
Nov 02 16:28:09 <zoran> there are just tiny wm's around
Nov 02 16:28:17 <zoran> something like evliwm
Nov 02 16:28:18 <penguinbait> I use KDE only pretty much, and maemo-mapper 2.0 is working good in KDE
Nov 02 16:28:26 <zoran> *evilwm
Nov 02 16:28:30 <alterego> Not knocking his project. I just forgot how much I think KDE looks ugly :)
Nov 02 16:28:58 <penguinbait> no offense taken, I am just the oppisite end, I think its beautiful
Nov 02 16:29:10 <zoran> alterego, a lot of people recognise linux as kde
Nov 02 16:29:27 <zoran> s/s/z/
Nov 02 16:29:28 <infobot> zoran meant: alterego, a lot of people recognize linux as kde
Nov 02 16:29:33 <penguinbait> I started trying to compile gnome, and its a freaking pain
Nov 02 16:29:47 <alterego> zoran, I don't get you.
Nov 02 16:30:01 <penguinbait> kde is more of a all in one
Nov 02 16:30:02 <alterego> gnome isn't too hard to compile.
Nov 02 16:30:02 <zoran> take a look at magazines
Nov 02 16:30:12 <zoran> not at all
Nov 02 16:30:13 <alterego> As long as you've got all the required dependencies ^_^
Nov 02 16:30:16 * Tak agree with alterego once again
Nov 02 16:30:23 <penguinbait> try it on IT with all the old deps in there
Nov 02 16:30:34 <penguinbait> not fun at all, that when I went to KDE
Nov 02 16:30:51 <zoran> environment is not needed at all
Nov 02 16:30:51 <penguinbait> I personally like KDE over gnome for 10 years
Nov 02 16:30:52 <alterego> Well, I wouldn't dream of doing it on the IT.
Nov 02 16:31:05 <penguinbait> I just thought gnome would be easier, so I started there
Nov 02 16:31:11 <alterego> Well, time has very little meaning in these kinds of debates.
Nov 02 16:31:22 <alterego> KDE and Gnome 10 years ago were very different.
Nov 02 16:31:33 <alterego> They were both bad ^_^
Nov 02 16:32:28 <zoran> what makes environment good on pc, not to say 770/800?
Nov 02 16:32:38 <sciboy> Woo Jaiku!
Nov 02 16:32:52 <alterego> zoran, ?
Nov 02 16:33:05 <zoran> why someone uses environment at all?
Nov 02 16:33:40 <alterego> Graphics.
Nov 02 16:33:45 <zoran> wm
Nov 02 16:33:57 <alterego> Not really.
Nov 02 16:34:06 <zoran> I found fvwm fine to me
Nov 02 16:34:10 <penguinbait> because I can not make my n800 bootup to console
Nov 02 16:34:24 <alterego> How would you enter text?
Nov 02 16:34:27 <alterego> View images?
Nov 02 16:34:34 <alterego> Make video calls? :)
Nov 02 16:34:34 <zoran> when x starts it is possible to start anything
Nov 02 16:34:51 <penguinbait> Also KDE "keyboard shortcuts" lends itself very nicely to n800/770 with only a couple of keys to use
Nov 02 16:35:00 <zoran> alterego, fvwm has no diff apart of environ
Nov 02 16:35:39 <alterego> zoran, I'm sorry but I can't really make out what you're saying half the time.
Nov 02 16:36:09 <zoran> not so bad; my mom is at 75%
Nov 02 16:36:25 <alterego> O_o
Nov 02 16:36:39 <penguinbait> openbox and xfce work good, but my problem is the browser does not work, and I tried to compile mozilla/seamonkey and others, Konqueror is the only alternative I could make work in the browser arena
Nov 02 16:36:41 <hugolp> hi
Nov 02 16:36:42 <_Monkey> privet, hugolp
Nov 02 16:36:44 <zoran> I use window manager for graphics, not desktop environment
Nov 02 16:37:20 <alterego> I don't like windows.
Nov 02 16:37:42 <alterego> I prefer how maemo does things.
Nov 02 16:37:43 <zoran> window manager is not windows  :)
Nov 02 16:37:58 <alterego> zoran, I wasn't talking about Microsoft Windows.
Nov 02 16:37:58 <penguinbait> you don't need a window manager to display graphics
Nov 02 16:38:02 <hugolp> I am thinking on buying a nokia n800 and developing a aplications. i would like to know if its posible to run a gtk aplication on the n800 or what does the maemo platform use for drawing windows and the rest of the stuff?
Nov 02 16:38:02 <alterego> I was talking about windows.
Nov 02 16:38:02 <zoran> k
Nov 02 16:38:06 <penguinbait> you need it to manage your windows
Nov 02 16:38:28 <alterego> hugolp, maemo is based on Gtk and other gnome technologies.
Nov 02 16:38:53 <hugolp> alterego:  cool, is the gtk maemo version different at all from the normal gtk-2.0?
Nov 02 16:39:04 <zoran> alterego, how do you handle graphical apps with no windows?
Nov 02 16:39:31 <alterego> zoran, how is it different to an environment with windows?
Nov 02 16:39:46 <zoran> no diff
Nov 02 16:40:01 <alterego> hugolp, it's a bit different. There are also custom widgets for small screen devices which you should look at called Hildon
Nov 02 16:40:02 <zoran> same platform
Nov 02 16:40:18 <alterego> Exactly.
Nov 02 16:40:44 <alterego> Windows are just a way of encapsulating a program into a managable screen context.
Nov 02 16:41:01 <zoran> yes and I dislike it
Nov 02 16:41:24 <alterego> matchbox uses a tabular approach which I quite like.
Nov 02 16:41:30 <penguinbait> hehehehe
Nov 02 16:41:39 <alterego> I'd prefer a tabular/table approach.
Nov 02 16:41:41 <penguinbait> matchbox is worst ever wm
Nov 02 16:41:41 <hugolp> alterego:  thanks for the info
Nov 02 16:41:47 <alterego> hugolp, no problem.
Nov 02 16:42:01 <penguinbait> maybe for 320x240
Nov 02 16:42:05 <alterego> penguinbait, that's a bold statement.
Nov 02 16:42:14 <penguinbait> matchbox is worst ever wm for IT
Nov 02 16:42:18 <penguinbait> that better?
Nov 02 16:42:20 <alterego> Rubbish
Nov 02 16:42:23 <zoran> personaly, I could stand it
Nov 02 16:42:24 <penguinbait> hehe, probably not
Nov 02 16:42:42 <alterego> I think the maemo UI is fine.
Nov 02 16:42:50 <zoran> yes, it is
Nov 02 16:43:01 <penguinbait> hildon and matchbox are two differnt things
Nov 02 16:43:02 <zoran> and could be better for me in some other way
Nov 02 16:43:09 <penguinbait> I said nothing about hildon
Nov 02 16:43:14 <alterego> penguinbait, who said they were the same?
Nov 02 16:43:27 <penguinbait> maemo UI ?
Nov 02 16:43:33 <penguinbait> thats hildon
Nov 02 16:43:38 <penguinbait> not matchbox
Nov 02 16:43:45 <alterego> Maemo UI is built on matchbox penguinbait.
Nov 02 16:44:02 <alterego> Hildon is a set of Widgets for devices with small screens.
Nov 02 16:44:05 <penguinbait> maemo UI is hildon, its runs on a window manager called matchbox
Nov 02 16:44:36 <penguinbait> perhaps the definition of small screen can be defined?
Nov 02 16:45:04 <penguinbait>   is it a resolution thing or physical thing which makes it a small screen?
Nov 02 16:45:06 <alterego> I think this discussion is resolution independant.
Nov 02 16:45:09 <zoran> alterego, I was very unhappy the very first time I saw maemo; it differs a lot of my every-day-screen; but, it probably cannot be more different for common user to buy it
Nov 02 16:45:12 * sp3000 tries to stuff a desktop monitor in his pants
Nov 02 16:45:17 <sp3000> hmm
Nov 02 16:45:20 <alterego> It[s more about physical size and practicality when it comes to input methods.
Nov 02 16:45:20 <sp3000> -> "not small"
Nov 02 16:46:14 <penguinbait> 800x480 is plenty of room to strech out in, and matchbox makes me feel like I am in prison
Nov 02 16:46:26 <penguinbait> get in your cell!!
Nov 02 16:46:36 <alterego> But looking at that KDE screenshot you showed the channel earlier. I'd say KDE is too big for the IT screens.
Nov 02 16:47:00 <alterego> O_o
Nov 02 16:47:00 <zoran> for every box, in deed
Nov 02 16:47:17 <penguinbait> looks fine to me
Nov 02 16:47:19 <alterego> How does matchbox make you feel in prisoned?
Nov 02 16:47:26 <zoran> bars?
Nov 02 16:47:35 <alterego> What bars?
Nov 02 16:47:49 <penguinbait> perhaps it depends on your vision
Nov 02 16:47:49 <zoran> on the matchbox screen  :)
Nov 02 16:47:50 <suihkulokki> I guess this is the old "bwaa, too many pixels waisted in the default theme"
Nov 02 16:48:05 <zoran> yes
Nov 02 16:48:33 <suihkulokki> and then people forget that that it's a very high-dpi screen
Nov 02 16:48:59 <suihkulokki> so unless one wants to stick their nose to the screen, big objects on screen is good
Nov 02 16:49:24 <suihkulokki> even more so now that the gui should be usable with thumb, instead of with stylus
Nov 02 16:49:30 <alterego> suihkulokki, that was pretty much my point with hildon :)
Nov 02 16:51:35 <penguinbait> I am not dissing hildon, although I would like some movement in my windows.  Its a matter of what you want.  If you are happy with what they give you by all means use it.  I like to use my stylus, and I do not use my fingers very often at all
Nov 02 16:51:57 <zoran> penguinbait, you proved your idea
Nov 02 16:52:09 * Tak in suihkulokki's camp
Nov 02 16:52:13 <alterego> Well, I don't like windows.
Nov 02 16:52:14 <zoran> :)
Nov 02 16:52:17 <alterego> Never have, never will.
Nov 02 16:52:32 <penguinbait> back to that again, well I dont like matchbox and I never will
Nov 02 16:52:34 <penguinbait> :)
Nov 02 16:52:51 * zoran dislikes carotts
Nov 02 16:52:58 <alterego> Well, at least matchbox doesn't waste your time.
Nov 02 16:53:01 <zoran> uh, carrots
Nov 02 16:53:11 <penguinbait> I also dont like beets ot walnuts or olives :)
Nov 02 16:53:16 <alterego> Oh, how big should I make this window, where should I put it. Oh, now I want to put it somewhere else.
Nov 02 16:53:20 <alterego> Blah blah blah ...
Nov 02 16:53:40 <zoran> bt monitor?
Nov 02 16:54:03 <penguinbait> I like running multiple desktops and fullscreen apps on each and I can toggle through them with my home key
Nov 02 16:54:21 <penguinbait> you do know linux supports multiple desktops right?
Nov 02 16:54:29 <alterego> How is that different to running multiple applications in maemo?
Nov 02 16:54:45 <zoran> probably parts of the one and only desktop
Nov 02 16:55:04 <penguinbait> its cooler
Nov 02 16:55:05 <penguinbait> hehe
Nov 02 16:55:15 <alterego> O_o
Nov 02 16:55:22 <penguinbait> oh its been a long morning
Nov 02 16:55:27 <zoran> memory consumption _is_ question, you know
Nov 02 16:55:54 <penguinbait> thanks for the fun discussions, I am off to propagate KDE :)
Nov 02 16:56:06 <zoran> \o/
Nov 02 16:56:11 <penguinbait> plenty o memory to go around
Nov 02 16:57:42 <Tak> heh, matchbox gives you a theoretically infinite number of desktops, each with between 1 and 1 fullscreen windows
Nov 02 16:58:03 <alterego> Tak, that was my point :/
Nov 02 16:58:33 * Tak nods
Nov 02 16:58:47 * alterego gets back to ruby-maemo
Nov 02 17:05:13 <zoran> fuse looks interesting to access fs's; only ssh or there are another options?
Nov 02 17:06:01 <alterego> There are many options.
Nov 02 17:06:20 <alterego> fuse just allows the kernel to use FS drivers that are defined in user space.
Nov 02 17:07:07 <zoran> I recall sshfs (mgedmin). zfs, ffs?
Nov 02 17:07:24 <sp3000> wtfs?
Nov 02 17:07:38 <Tak> ntfs
Nov 02 17:08:36 <zoran> ftp would not be so useful
Nov 02 17:09:50 <zoran> what interface it should use to mount ntfs?
Nov 02 17:10:21 <zoran> I don't have it, but sounds worthy
Nov 02 17:13:01 <Tak> interface?
Nov 02 17:13:01 <_Monkey> interface is lightyears ahead of anything else on the market
Nov 02 17:13:22 <zoran> Tak, usb, serial, wi-fi; protocol?
Nov 02 17:24:37 <Tak> local
Nov 02 17:34:55 <zpol> brb
Nov 02 17:36:46 <legind> hey, I'm trying to get fuse working in bora, and I'm following the instructions on http://maemo.org/community/wiki/fuseportdevel/ but apparently I need to select debian-devkit first - can anyone tell me how to do this
Nov 02 17:48:03 <L0cutus> [OT] what's the best screen protector for my n800 ?
Nov 02 17:48:40 <alterego> A titanium safe
Nov 02 17:49:28 <Stalwart> a kitten?
Nov 02 17:52:18 <sciboy> a condom
Nov 02 17:52:46 <sp3000> all of the above
Nov 02 17:52:54 <amr> not using it
Nov 02 17:55:04 <Stalwart> kitten in titanium condom
Nov 02 17:55:25 <Mikho> *shivers*
Nov 02 17:55:43 <L0cutus> not a case
Nov 02 17:55:57 <L0cutus> only the transparent film i mean :)
Nov 02 17:56:04 <TPC> L0cutus, check out otterbox
Nov 02 17:56:10 <TPC> oh, transparent film, no idea then
Nov 02 17:56:34 <TPC> but otterbox pda cases are nice, water and crush proof boxes, and they float
Nov 02 17:56:46 <TPC> and they have a soft membrame on the front so you can use the device while its inside
Nov 02 17:57:10 <TPC> I have one that I got for my old pda, and my N800 fits nicely inside of it too, and the touch screen works fine trought the membrane
Nov 02 17:57:24 <L0cutus> otterbox on google ?
Nov 02 17:57:44 <L0cutus> ok found
Nov 02 17:58:18 <TPC> they are a bit big, but well worth it if you are outdoors alot
Nov 02 17:58:25 <TPC> or like me, like to use the device while taking a bath :P
Nov 02 17:58:35 <alterego> TPC, that sounds like just what I  was looking for.
Nov 02 17:59:02 <alterego> Nice, so I'm not the only one that likes bathing with them ..
Nov 02 17:59:04 <L0cutus> http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/NOKN800.html
Nov 02 17:59:16 <L0cutus> this seems to be ok :)
Nov 02 17:59:30 <TPC> the one I have is a otterbox 2600, the N800 fits nicely inside of it
Nov 02 17:59:43 <alterego> I'm thinking more of a container for the N800 whilst I windsurf.
Nov 02 17:59:47 <TPC> the only drawback is that you can't use the buttons on the top of the device
Nov 02 18:00:08 <alterego> Right
Nov 02 18:01:29 <alterego> Interesting
Nov 02 18:22:54 <legind> has anyone got fuse working with the n800?
Nov 02 18:32:08 <L0cutus> does nokia 770 screen have the same size of n800 ?
Nov 02 18:34:37 <Stalwart> нуы
Nov 02 18:34:46 <Stalwart> *yes (wrong keymap)
Nov 02 18:34:47 <alterego> L0cutus, identical, yes.
Nov 02 18:34:52 <alterego> :D
Nov 02 18:34:56 <L0cutus> perfect thanks
Nov 02 19:06:58 <deejoe> 0
Nov 02 19:12:00 <pupnik> have any hackers tried a USB wifi dongle on 770/800 (ext 5v power)?
Nov 02 19:18:40 <Stalwart> usb wifi dongle o.O
Nov 02 19:18:47 <Stalwart> i'd like to hear results
Nov 02 19:25:06 <|R> ehhe with a user friend wep cracker transparantly used in the network login ;)
Nov 02 19:25:23 <|R> open AP, WEP open AP, WPA* ;)
Nov 02 19:25:49 <wtfmate> i lvoe how xchat sucks so much on these devices
Nov 02 19:25:54 <wtfmate> cant close out like any diags
Nov 02 19:26:07 <x2> its so annoying
Nov 02 19:26:13 <x2> oh yea.. besides that
Nov 02 19:26:21 <Tak> x2: http://downloads.maemo.org/product/maemo-xchat/
Nov 02 19:26:29 <x2> today I made they vKB huge
Nov 02 19:26:31 <x2> how did I do that?
Nov 02 19:26:34 <|R> why not use pidgin for irc ? :)
Nov 02 19:26:40 <x2> is it good?
Nov 02 19:26:53 <|R> didn't try x-chat, so i can't compare...
Nov 02 19:26:54 <x2> is it on maemo?
Nov 02 19:27:05 <|R> and i usually uses irssi/bitchx but hey, it works :)
Nov 02 19:27:19 <x2> hrm
Nov 02 19:27:32 <|R> yeah it's up there, it does all your IM needs ;)
Nov 02 19:27:38 <|R> with encryption and all :P
Nov 02 19:27:41 <x2> wows
Nov 02 19:27:43 <x2> yay!
Nov 02 19:27:44 <x2> i need ssl
Nov 02 19:27:56 <x2> ok, thats solved, now how do I make teh vkb huge again?
Nov 02 19:27:57 <|R> i think it does that too
Nov 02 19:27:59 <x2> :(
Nov 02 19:28:10 <|R> with your thumb eheh
Nov 02 19:28:15 <x2> ?
Nov 02 19:28:19 <x2> what? lol
Nov 02 19:28:29 <|R> it's not always easy to trigger, but it senses the difference between a stylus and a big fat finger :P
Nov 02 19:28:37 <x2> LOL
Nov 02 19:28:47 <x2> anywhere in particular?
Nov 02 19:28:57 <x2> i liked when i got it to do it a few times
Nov 02 19:28:57 <|R> on the text field you're trying to use
Nov 02 19:29:06 <x2> put my thumb in it?
Nov 02 19:29:07 <x2> lol
Nov 02 19:29:15 <x2> hmm
Nov 02 19:29:19 <|R> maybe not _in_ but on yeah :P
Nov 02 19:29:24 <x2> haha
Nov 02 19:29:26 <x2> thanks
Nov 02 19:29:34 <|R> you have to lower the small kbd first i think if it's there
Nov 02 19:29:38 <|R> but not sure
Nov 02 19:30:09 <x2> how I got it up was, had the small kbd up, and I was wiping the screen off to get rid of prints and it poped up
Nov 02 20:01:18 <lophyte> hey all.. I'm looking at some of the screenshots in the tutorials, and they've got Application Installer, etc. in their Xephyr session... where can that (and other apps?) be installed from?
Nov 02 20:01:33 <lophyte> or is that a remote scratchbox session?
Nov 02 20:02:57 <Jaffa> The Maemo 3.2 rootstraps can contain "Nokia binaries". AFAIK, these have not been released yet for the Chinook SDK.
Nov 02 20:03:26 <lophyte> I'm using 3.2 in scratchbox and afaik I've installed the nokia binaries
Nov 02 20:03:38 <lophyte> though, all the "nokia binaries" installed was a contact manager
Nov 02 20:12:50 <lophyte> hrm, yeah... I went through the entire maemo 3.2 installation process.. all I've got in my scratchbox is control panel, maemopad and contacts
Nov 02 20:17:05 <lophyte> I guess those screenshots are from a remote scratchbox session into an actual Nokia device
Nov 02 20:33:27 * penguinbait slaps zerojay around a bit with a large trout
Nov 02 20:36:08 <p|> 'sera
Nov 02 20:36:19 <p|> anyone have tryed this: http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/  ?
Nov 02 20:40:19 <lophyte> p|: nope, but looks cool
Nov 02 21:12:49 <Jiten> yes, pluthon does look like it could be useful ... now if it only it was for something else than that memory hog eclipse... (I'm actually hoping this is old information)
Nov 02 21:21:23 <p|> java is a memory hog and eclipse is java based
Nov 02 21:21:50 <Stalwart> Jiten, i guess low ram amount is problem of your pc, not good software suite like eclipse
Nov 02 21:21:55 <Stalwart> i prefer vim anyway
Nov 02 21:22:15 <p|> i'm still configuring all for pluthon :)
Nov 02 21:22:47 <Stalwart> i hope i will be able to learn emacs someday
Nov 02 21:22:53 <Jiten> p|: well, even with java, the amount of memory getting hogged depends quite a bit on the program
Nov 02 21:23:31 <p|> Jiten: i don't know java very well unfortunately..
Nov 02 21:24:44 <Jiten> Stalwart: my machine isn't lacking on memory, this one has 2GB. I just like to keep the most important software running constantly. Considering Eclipse's function, it'd become one of those.
Nov 02 21:25:12 <lauti> somebody using Laika?
Nov 02 21:25:47 <Jiten> then again, 60% of that 2GB is currently functioning as cache.
Nov 02 21:25:50 <lauti> tried to use it in conjunction with CDT 4... seems not to work properly... just downgraded whole eclipse to 3.2 and CDT 3.1... let's see
Nov 02 21:26:25 <Jiten> I've just heard horror stories of eclipse eating 1 gigabyte.
Nov 02 21:26:32 <Stalwart> Jiten, how did you manage to trash 800mb or ram? o.O
Nov 02 21:27:10 <Stalwart> even with kde, torrents, amarok and other stuff i rarely get past 700mb mark
Nov 02 21:27:33 <Jiten> moment, need to recompile exmap module.
Nov 02 21:27:50 <Stalwart> i guess i'll go watch movie...
Nov 02 21:27:55 <Stalwart> don't like flamewars
Nov 02 21:28:34 <Jiten> I'm running a lot of software. Firefox is taking the biggest portion I guess
Nov 02 21:33:23 <Jiten> ok, firefox 232MB, X server 82MB, deluge-torrent 55MB, quodlibet 54MB, spamd 35MB, gjiten 27MB, gnome-terminal 26MB, glade-3 25MB, evolution 25MB, perl 23MB (I wonder what this is), pidgin 22MB, ekiga 16MB, scim 14MB, mysqld 14M ... I guess that's the worst offenders.
Nov 02 21:34:57 <Jiten> I guess maemo stuff is also taking somewhere around 40-50MB total
Nov 02 21:47:28 <p|_> mmm
Nov 02 21:47:50 <p|_> i've just 'ported' a dyndns client to armel :)
Nov 02 21:48:16 <p|_> pity i'm unable to make a deb file :(
Nov 02 21:58:45 <|R> RushPL_: which one ?
Nov 02 21:58:45 <_Monkey> well, which one is it? :)
Nov 02 21:58:48 <|R> err
Nov 02 21:58:59 <|R> pl:
Nov 02 21:59:20 <p|> inadyn
Nov 02 21:59:28 <p|> simple command line cli
Nov 02 21:59:52 <p|> it support also no-ip etc...
Nov 02 22:02:13 <p|> https://www.dyndns.com/support/kb/using_inadyn_with_dyndns_services.html
Nov 02 22:13:42 <ryoohki> is there a yum install for maemo for centos4/rhel4?
Nov 02 22:24:35 <Lateralus> Has anyone got gdb on the 810?
Nov 02 22:31:28 <Stalwart> anyone got 810? o.O
Nov 02 22:31:42 <Stalwart> when's release date?
Nov 02 22:36:35 <rubiks> another day a work
Nov 02 22:38:22 <rubiks> any good messengeet
Nov 02 22:38:47 <rubiks> messenger like for yahoo and messenger
Nov 02 22:45:42 <legind> is there any way to have maemo not remember words you type in, e.g. if you're typing a password in xterm
Nov 02 22:52:59 <Pio> heh
Nov 02 22:53:08 <Pio> yeah that's fun when it does that
Nov 02 22:57:32 <legind> anyone get fuse and fuse-ssh working successfully on the n800?
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Nov 02 23:03:29 <zerojay> mmmkay.
Nov 02 23:21:21 <rubiks> wow I like my n800 so far ;)
Nov 02 23:26:58 <legind> rubiks, yeah I just got mine yesterday
Nov 02 23:27:23 * legind laughs at all the iphone users that can't run "3rd party apps"
Nov 02 23:29:23 <rubiks> me to!!!
Nov 02 23:30:17 <Jiten> legind: not to mention they're paying through their nose for the "priviledge" of using it.
Nov 02 23:36:30 <Jiten> when I look at my n800's screen at a suitable angle (so light reflects off it), I can see ordered pattern of spots where the virtual keyboard appears :P doesn't take a lot apparently. I haven't really used this much yet.
Nov 02 23:36:57 <zerojay> same here
Nov 02 23:37:40 <p|> non 'man' for n800  ?
Nov 02 23:38:49 <Jiten> p|: I don't quite understand what you're asking.
Nov 02 23:39:07 <p|> i mean 'man' command from xterm
Nov 02 23:39:11 <zerojay> No, man is not installed by default.
Nov 02 23:39:20 <rubiks> where at?  On the right side onthe
Nov 02 23:39:21 <zerojay> You can just use the web for that.
Nov 02 23:39:27 <p|> but it does exist ?
Nov 02 23:39:33 <rubiks> touch screen
Nov 02 23:44:41 <Jiten> is it possible to cut&paste in the n800 version of X terminal somehow?
Nov 02 23:47:53 <pupnik_> on 770 it works
Nov 02 23:48:18 <Jiten> does that mean it doesn't on n800?
Nov 02 23:49:25 <pupnik_> they should make a 'wo'man command that requires 3-5 invocations to give you a straight answer
Nov 02 23:49:39 <pupnik_> Jiten: it should - drag stylus over text, then paste to another application
Nov 02 23:49:44 <Stalwart> possible with bash aliases :D
Nov 02 23:50:29 <legind> Jiten, works with my x terminal
Nov 02 23:51:01 <Jiten> ah, right, you need to use the menu?
Nov 02 23:51:12 <legind> yea
Nov 02 23:54:05 <legind> i want fuse so i can make all the music on my desktop into a folder on my n800
Nov 02 23:54:11 <legind> that would be sick
Nov 02 23:54:30 <flip^> look up the howto use cifs shares on the maemo web site
Nov 02 23:54:41 * flip^ has had all his media available directly on his n800 before ;)
Nov 02 23:54:59 <flip^> and yes, it was sick
Nov 02 23:54:59 <legind> flip^, well I only have 4gigs on the thing
Nov 02 23:55:18 <legind> yeah :)
Nov 02 23:55:21 <flip^> legind: I shared about 600gb of media to my n800, appearing as a directory on the n800 ;)
Nov 02 23:55:28 <legind> lol
Nov 02 23:55:29 <legind> nice
Nov 02 23:55:42 <flip^> it upset UKMP a bit :(
Nov 02 23:56:00 <legind> if you have macaholics you can be like "oh your iphone only has 8gigs?"
Nov 02 23:56:00 <legind> lol
Nov 02 23:56:56 <flip^> I really have got to stop messing about with my n800 tho... I keep getting it set up for useful tasks, and then try and be clever and end up making such a mess a reflash is the easiest way to restore things
Nov 02 23:57:33 <legind> flip^, does cifs work if your desktop computer is running linux
Nov 02 23:58:23 <legind> oh its just a share
Nov 02 23:58:24 <legind> word
Nov 02 23:58:51 <trunneml_> hi
Nov 02 23:59:20 <trunneml_> I have this problem: undefined reference to `gps_clear_fix'
Nov 02 23:59:26 <p|> good night all !
Nov 02 23:59:35 <trunneml_> some one have an idea?
Nov 02 23:59:41 <trunneml_> good night
Nov 03 00:02:45 <hillct> Good evening all
Nov 03 00:03:21 <hillct> at some point recently, the rss feed reader began segfalting upon startup
Nov 03 00:03:31 <hillct> not sure when
Nov 03 00:03:48 <hillct> not sure what I might have done to cause this
Nov 03 00:04:19 <hillct> haven't installed anything recently
Nov 03 00:05:16 <hillct> not many native debugging tools
Nov 03 00:05:36 <hillct> any way to get a linked library list?
Nov 03 00:08:09 <pupnik_> yes
Nov 03 00:08:22 <pupnik_> ldd?
Nov 03 00:08:23 <hillct> it appears segfailt in console is a red herring though
Nov 03 00:08:27 <hillct> aparently not
Nov 03 00:08:37 <pupnik_> there's an equivalent
Nov 03 00:08:48 <hillct> no ldd installed? Is it available package?
Nov 03 00:09:06 <hillct> pupnik_: that was the essance of my wquestion. What equivelent is there?
Nov 03 00:09:45 <pupnik_> alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list
Nov 03 00:09:48 <pupnik_> "
Nov 03 00:11:47 <hillct> what's the filename of thre default feed reader?
Nov 03 00:11:48 <hillct> osso_rss_feed_reader: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/osso_rss_feed_reader: cannot read file data: Error 21
Nov 03 00:13:27 <pupnik> i don't know
Nov 03 00:13:44 <pupnik> _Monkey: ldd shows shared libraries used by a program.  On the tablets you can use: alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list" and then type ldd /path/to/executeable as an equivalent
Nov 03 00:14:01 <pupnik> _Monkey: ldd is to show shared libraries used by a program.  On the tablets you can use: alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list" and then type ldd /path/to/executeable as an equivalent
Nov 03 00:14:16 <pupnik> phblbt
Nov 03 00:14:33 <pupnik> _Monkey, ldd is to show shared libraries used by a program.  On the tablets you can use: alias ldd="/lib/ld-2.3.6.so --list" and then type ldd /path/to/executeable as an equivalent
Nov 03 00:34:24 <Jiten> flip^: maybe you should consider setting up mmc boot and do you clever stuff there first :P
Nov 03 00:36:58 <flip^> Jiten: I have a mmc boot.. technically reflash really means "roll back my mmc boot to what's on the internal flash"... but its still an inconvenience ;)
Nov 03 00:50:04 <pupnik> Tech Support: "I need you to boot the computer."
Nov 03 00:50:08 <pupnik> Customer: (THUMP! Pause.) "No, that didn't help."
Nov 03 00:51:42 <flip^> I had someone phone me today that didn't know the word computer, they just kept referring to the black box with the mouse attached to it that wouldn't turn on
Nov 03 00:54:22 * pupnik looks at the date.   yup... 2007
Nov 03 01:12:38 <rubiks> kismet working?
Nov 03 01:12:54 <pupnik> on my 770 yes
Nov 03 01:13:45 <pupnik> problem is too few generous people running open hotspots in my town
Nov 03 01:13:56 <pupnik> but i can't blame nokia for that
Nov 03 01:18:25 <rubiks> will kismet work for n800?
Nov 03 01:18:51 <pupnik> not sure
Nov 03 01:19:07 <derf> I've been told it does.
Nov 03 01:19:33 <rubiks> hum...
Nov 03 01:21:50 <rubiks> can't find it on the webpage
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