**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 06 02:59:56 2007
Nov 06 03:02:22 <zerojay> ...um....
Nov 06 03:03:00 <sal> Well, reason I am asking is I get numerous errors - Google gives no help.  Mplayer also just won't play anything
Nov 06 03:19:55 <zerojay> You are probably using the wrong format streams.
Nov 06 03:25:40 <dowellconning> Heyas! Does anyone have some advice on flashing my 770 to upgrade to IT OS 07 HE? Looking for experiences first really. Anyone have problems?
Nov 06 03:27:08 <dowellconning> Having skype on the move would be very useful, and I really need better AJAX support in my browser.
Nov 06 03:29:27 <dowellconning> I guess the 2 questions I really want to ask are would you recommend flashing to IT OS 1007 HE, and is it stable enough to make it worthwhile?
Nov 06 03:33:48 <dowellconning> Ah, doesn't look like it will be worth it I guess :| Shame, would have been cool to have skype on the run n.n
Nov 06 03:37:36 <skibur_> miniUSB connection
Nov 06 03:37:46 <skibur_> like what can be connected to N800?
Nov 06 03:51:23 <dolfun> fascinated and decided to learn more? A huge number. Indeed
Nov 06 03:51:25 <sal> Why is it not worth itr?
Nov 06 03:51:45 <sal> I did it...only issue is stupid garage.maemo.org being down.
Nov 06 03:51:51 <dolfun> dowellconning: some ppl love 2007he
Nov 06 03:53:18 <dowellconning> dolfun: My 770 is my main computer, would I be able to run Skype / Opera / Flash stably on it if I upgraded?
Nov 06 03:53:52 <dolfun> heh mine too (on the go)
Nov 06 03:53:54 <dolfun> i dono
Nov 06 03:58:33 <sal> Perhaps - you still need to do something to get those installed
Nov 06 03:59:48 <kcome> hi all
Nov 06 04:02:38 <sal> hello
Nov 06 04:08:34 <dowellconning> Has anyone done the 2006 to 2007 OS flash?
Nov 06 04:16:44 <dolfun_> http://www.lewrockwell.com/knaebel/knaebel11.html
Nov 06 06:29:04 <sciboy> Hi, the maemo server is really acting up right now.
Nov 06 06:43:01 <kcome> hi all
Nov 06 06:43:14 <leandroal> hello, does someone use linux omap kernel (git) on n800? I'm trying to recompile it but when I type make n800_defconfig it seems that the config file doesn't exist! :( Anyone to help me?
Nov 06 06:43:39 <leandroal> I checkout and try this in tags HEAD, v2.6.21 and v2.6.18
Nov 06 06:46:16 <kcome> hello,
Nov 06 06:46:33 <kcome> anyone here got any news from developer discount program about new N810?
Nov 06 06:52:19 <czr> kcome, what kind of news do you expect?
Nov 06 06:53:20 <kcome> for example
Nov 06 06:53:36 <kcome> 500 discount code is distributed out
Nov 06 06:53:52 <kcome> and winners could check if you have it at http://xxx.xxx.xxx/xxx
Nov 06 06:55:24 <czr> if it works the same way as before, you'll get an email when and if you're selected.
Nov 06 06:55:44 <kcome> ok, thanks for your note
Nov 06 07:05:32 <Richard_> Hi, every one!
Nov 06 07:06:06 <Richard_> Is it possible to port maemon to normal 320*480 mobile phones?
Nov 06 07:07:08 <sciboy> Company policy, everything is possible.
Nov 06 07:09:34 <Richard_> sorry, the resolution is 320*240.
Nov 06 07:50:19 <dolske> *grumble* are maemo.org account logins not working at the moment?
Nov 06 07:51:54 <sciboy> Maemo.org appears fairly borked right now.
Nov 06 07:52:17 <sciboy> Even the repository stopped working
Nov 06 07:58:33 <timeless> dolske: there's a scheduled sevice window
Nov 06 07:58:37 <timeless> didn't you get the memo?
Nov 06 07:58:50 * timeless got the memo, read the memo, discarded the memo, and called  ferenc to complain
Nov 06 07:58:53 <dolske> no, I'm not getting the maemo. :)
Nov 06 07:58:59 <timeless> he complained tha i didn't pay atten to the memo
Nov 06 07:59:13 <czr> timeless, you told him what you did with the memo? :-)
Nov 06 07:59:28 <dolske> you just need an amusing "oops we're out for a massage" downtime page. :P
Nov 06 08:03:20 <timeless> we do need to get him to setup an alternate server that issues a proper HTTP header'ed error page
Nov 06 08:19:03 <omeam> hi...may it be that http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.2/ is down?
Nov 06 08:21:46 <VRe__> they're updating the site, didn't you get the memo :)
Nov 06 08:22:35 <omeam> VRe: wich maemo-memo?
Nov 06 08:22:43 <omeam> s/wich/which/g
Nov 06 08:22:44 <infobot> omeam meant: VRe: which maemo-memo?
Nov 06 08:23:05 <omeam> VRe: does anyone know when they are done?
Nov 06 08:23:41 <VRe> no idea
Nov 06 08:25:30 <omeam> VRe: i mean... 1 hour or 1 week?
Nov 06 08:26:00 <VRe> omeam: what you think an update would take?
Nov 06 08:26:31 <omeam> VRe: updatesize / updatespeed = updatetime
Nov 06 08:26:41 <omeam> isnt it?
Nov 06 08:27:08 <VRe> that's one way to put it
Nov 06 08:27:36 <omeam> VRe: there are others?? *shocked*
Nov 06 08:28:04 <omeam> infobot: maemo is down
Nov 06 08:28:05 <VRe> you assume that updatespeed is constant
Nov 06 08:28:22 <omeam> VRe: so what would you suggest for variable updatespeeds?
Nov 06 08:28:40 <VRe> and separate tasks
Nov 06 08:28:46 <omeam> for example: updatespeed grows exponetially towards time
Nov 06 08:28:47 <infobot> ...but maemo is already something else...
Nov 06 08:29:14 <VRe> so then we could have a really bit longer formula
Nov 06 08:33:45 <czr> use longer variable names
Nov 06 08:41:56 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 06 08:49:19 <czr> hmm. there seems to be a problem in 4.0beta af (x86). the af desktop background doesn't refresh the screen (open menus "stay open").
Nov 06 08:49:27 <czr> (running gutsy/x86)
Nov 06 08:50:32 <czr> anyone remember the magic composite flag for xephyr?
Nov 06 08:54:55 <czr> nm
Nov 06 08:57:17 <czr> seems that 4.0 sdk is the first one that actually requires the composite extension from the X server
Nov 06 08:57:27 <czr> 3.2 worked just fine with an older xephyr too (dapper)
Nov 06 08:57:33 * czr blehs
Nov 06 08:58:10 <timeless> yeah 4.0 really wants composite
Nov 06 08:58:31 <czr> now I need to find a xephyr that knows composite. /me goes looking
Nov 06 09:01:22 <Jaffa> czr: gutsy's does.
Nov 06 09:02:02 <czr> Jaffa, sure. I have gutsy as a vmware guest though. and normally run Xephyr on my real machine (dapper) while keeping sbox and all evil stuff in the vm.
Nov 06 09:02:28 <czr> running X in the vm is just so "slow".
Nov 06 09:02:49 <Jaffa> Upgrading the Dapper box to Gutsy not an option?
Nov 06 09:03:18 <czr> it is not for this box. I use this for proper work.
Nov 06 09:03:33 <timeless> don't run x in vms
Nov 06 09:03:37 <timeless> use ssh to connect vms to outside
Nov 06 09:03:45 <czr> timeless, duh, that is what I'm doing.
Nov 06 09:03:58 <czr> but it's not possible right now since the Xephyr on my real host doesn't support Composite.
Nov 06 09:04:14 <czr> (with SDK that is)
Nov 06 09:04:15 <timeless> get a better host :)
Nov 06 09:04:20 <timeless> might i suggest windows or osx :)
Nov 06 09:04:30 <czr> duly noted ;-)
Nov 06 09:07:23 <czr> hmm. does Xephyr require Composite support from the real X server in order to provide Composite support to its clients?
Nov 06 09:18:48 <AD-N770> good morning
Nov 06 09:24:23 <czr> argh. found a prebuilt static version of Xephyr. it's more or less as old as the one in dapper.. grrghg.
Nov 06 09:24:41 * czr decides today is not the day to learn the xorg build system.
Nov 06 09:25:07 <inz> czr, apt-get source ftw ;)
Nov 06 09:25:11 <Jaffa> czr: backport of the Feisty/Gutsy one?
Nov 06 09:25:28 <czr> inz, the source of the dapper one doesn't contain the extension to start with
Nov 06 09:25:39 <czr> the one in gutsy is based on rebuilding the whole xserver tree
Nov 06 09:26:01 <czr> so, no win for me today. that's ok I guess. just pretty silly.
Nov 06 09:26:25 <inz> hmm, apt-get source xserver-xepyhr gives me the xserver-kdrive from edgy
Nov 06 09:26:32 <inz> And I do have gusty in deb-src
Nov 06 09:26:42 <czr> weird
Nov 06 09:26:53 <czr> I got xorg-xserver
Nov 06 09:27:08 <czr> but only gutsy repos in sources.list
Nov 06 09:27:38 <czr> probably will build a fully static xephyr later on
Nov 06 09:27:41 <czr> but not today.
Nov 06 09:31:28 <omeam> do you know "Reference #97.7070f8d5.1194337049.54e06db"
Nov 06 09:31:43 <omeam> (current error when visiting tablets-dev.nokia)
Nov 06 09:42:04 <czr> hahah. I found a "solution"
Nov 06 09:42:41 <czr> running dapper version of xephyr on my real host, then doing ssh -X to the chinook/gutsy vm, then starting Xephyr there, but with DISPLAY=:10, and then finally starting the af using the gutsy xephyr
Nov 06 09:42:55 * czr adds this to the list of hacks that shouldn't really exist.
Nov 06 09:44:07 <czr> hmm. should I see untranslated strings in the 4.0beta AF?
Nov 06 09:44:35 <Jaffa> Nope. The old locale issue's back?
Nov 06 09:44:50 <czr> I don't think so. I only see one untranslated so far.
Nov 06 09:45:00 <timeless> what string?
Nov 06 09:45:06 <czr> sfil_li_folder_root
Nov 06 09:45:22 <czr> home -> select background -> browse
Nov 06 09:45:36 <czr> it's displayed in the place of the device name "in the root" folder hierarchy
Nov 06 09:45:43 <timeless> /libhildonfm-1.9.42.1/po/en_GB.po,
Nov 06 09:45:44 <timeless>     * line 267 -- msgid "sfil_li_folder_root"
Nov 06 09:45:53 <timeless>     *
Nov 06 09:45:53 <timeless> /hildon-application-manager-2.0.0/ChangeLog,
Nov 06 09:45:54 <timeless>     * line 2311 -- (device_name): Use translated sfil_li_folder_root instead of
Nov 06 09:46:25 <czr> ok, so it's fixed but not in beta, right?
Nov 06 09:46:50 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?string=sfil_li_folder_root
Nov 06 09:47:02 <timeless> compare w/ sardine (search still running)
Nov 06 09:47:28 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/search?string=sfil_li_folder_root
Nov 06 09:47:33 <czr> well, I just need to know whether to open a bug or not
Nov 06 09:47:39 <timeless> dunnno
Nov 06 09:47:57 <timeless> afaict the sardine from 10/25 has the sring
Nov 06 09:48:12 <timeless> and afaict it's using the proper domain
Nov 06 09:48:48 <czr> right. not opening a bug then.
Nov 06 09:48:57 <timeless> how do you reach that?
Nov 06 09:49:14 <czr> "home -> select background -> browse"
Nov 06 09:49:37 <timeless> um, ok.....
Nov 06 09:49:50 <timeless> cute
Nov 06 09:50:01 <timeless> um..
Nov 06 09:50:15 <timeless> is this above the Audio Clips folder?
Nov 06 09:50:22 <czr> give me a sec
Nov 06 09:50:40 <czr> http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/bugs/
Nov 06 09:50:57 <timeless> yeah, see, um...
Nov 06 09:51:02 <timeless> on a device you wouldn't notice
Nov 06 09:51:12 <czr> so, context menu in home, then "Set background image...", then "browse", and then you get the picture.
Nov 06 09:51:15 <timeless> because http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/sardine-20071025/source/hildon-fm-l10n-3.0/po/en_GB.po#18
Nov 06 09:51:26 <timeless> look at the string
Nov 06 09:51:40 <czr> eww :-)
Nov 06 09:51:55 <czr> well, at least it's not sputnik like it was in 1.0 sdk release.
Nov 06 09:53:15 <timeless> you want to file a bug?
Nov 06 09:53:20 <timeless> here's the bug
Nov 06 09:53:26 <timeless> open control panel, open bluetooth
Nov 06 09:53:40 <timeless> change the device name to "My Dumbwaiter"
Nov 06 09:53:47 <timeless> close control panel
Nov 06 09:53:53 <timeless> open file manager
Nov 06 09:53:53 <czr> you seem to forget something. again. :-) I don't work for Nokia ;-)
Nov 06 09:54:07 <timeless> you have an n800, no?
Nov 06 09:54:10 <czr> my control panel only has "Hello World"
Nov 06 09:54:12 <czr> yes
Nov 06 09:54:15 <timeless> or a scratchbox?
Nov 06 09:54:20 <czr> scratchbox
Nov 06 09:54:21 <timeless> oh, no control panel?
Nov 06 09:54:24 <czr> wait
Nov 06 09:54:25 <timeless> ok, interesting
Nov 06 09:54:29 <timeless> well, hrm
Nov 06 09:54:33 <czr> now, I'm running 4.0 beta in sbox
Nov 06 09:54:50 <czr> but, I also have an N800, but this is unrelated.
Nov 06 09:54:50 <timeless> anyway, see if you can change the device name
Nov 06 09:54:57 <timeless> try the n800
Nov 06 09:55:01 <czr> no.
Nov 06 09:55:09 <czr> I don't want to mess up pairing.
Nov 06 09:55:20 <czr> and the n800 is not running 4.0
Nov 06 09:55:20 <timeless> ok, what's the name of your device?
Nov 06 09:55:22 <rothiel> Hi all :)
Nov 06 09:55:39 <rothiel> Is someone using the osso-xterm on N800 please ?
Nov 06 09:55:41 <timeless> as long as it isn't Nokia N800, anything should be fine
Nov 06 09:55:52 <lardman> morning
Nov 06 09:55:56 <timeless> which xterm is that?
Nov 06 09:56:01 <omeam> czr: timeless: your conversation is a bit confusing when somebody enters about 09:53
Nov 06 09:56:23 <czr> timeless, the name is correct on the N800 in the same dialog
Nov 06 09:56:24 <omeam> rothiel: i use the osso-xterm on the n800
Nov 06 09:56:35 <czr> timeless, my problem was in chinook 4.0beta
Nov 06 09:56:40 <czr> sdk
Nov 06 09:56:41 <timeless> omeam: there's a bot that logs the entire channel, you can read it there
Nov 06 09:56:58 <timeless> czr: anyway, the title in that one dialog doesn't seem to match file manager
Nov 06 09:57:12 <timeless> which seems pretty stupid
Nov 06 09:57:16 * czr nods
Nov 06 09:57:30 <omeam> timeless: i'm in here longer - just thought it was funny to read that constructs
Nov 06 09:57:44 <czr> omeam, we are known to be very funny.
Nov 06 09:57:55 <rothiel> timeless > http://blog.lmartin.fr/dc2/index.php/post/2007/04/11/osso-xterm-et-profile
Nov 06 09:58:19 <rothiel> omeam > ok. I want it to launch a binary on a sd card
Nov 06 09:58:28 * timeless doesn't speak french
Nov 06 09:58:39 <czr> timeless, I'll let this one slide. will recheck when 4.0 proper comes out.
Nov 06 09:58:46 <rothiel> but when I use it i'm in /home/user
Nov 06 09:58:57 <timeless> czr: given that the code is open, you could file a bug today
Nov 06 09:59:02 <rothiel> hum, wait a minut
Nov 06 09:59:03 <timeless> lemme figure out what the heck it's trying to do
Nov 06 09:59:25 <czr> timeless, I could. but then again I also have real work to do :-)
Nov 06 09:59:38 <timeless> really?
Nov 06 09:59:54 <czr> and if the bug is already fixed in some internval version, I'd rather not waste my time writing up about it
Nov 06 10:00:01 <czr> internal even.
Nov 06 10:00:19 <timeless> it's buggy in the proto i have here
Nov 06 10:00:27 <czr> oh
Nov 06 10:00:30 * timeless tries to older proto w/ the newer image
Nov 06 10:00:44 <czr> tell me how it goes. if you think I should write a bug, I will.
Nov 06 10:01:10 <timeless> hrm, seems to have the right thing in the newer image
Nov 06 10:01:11 <timeless> odd
Nov 06 10:01:43 <timeless> ok, something's very buggy
Nov 06 10:01:51 <timeless> but the odds of you getting the report right aren't high enough
Nov 06 10:02:07 <timeless> i think that desktop would need a restart to get the device name correct
Nov 06 10:02:16 <czr> I'm happy to pass the puck to you as well ;-)
Nov 06 10:02:19 <rothiel> omeam > it's good :)
Nov 06 10:02:53 <timeless> can you try it on your n800?
Nov 06 10:02:57 <timeless> steps:
Nov 06 10:03:01 <timeless> 1. check set background dialog
Nov 06 10:03:06 <timeless> 2. open file manager (don't close it)
Nov 06 10:03:20 <timeless> 3. open control panel/bluetooth and add/remove 1 letter from name
Nov 06 10:03:25 <timeless> 4. check file manager (don't...)
Nov 06 10:03:29 <timeless> 5. check set background
Nov 06 10:03:37 <timeless> 6. go back to control panel and undo damage
Nov 06 10:04:04 <czr> hah
Nov 06 10:04:12 <czr> I can't change the BT name while the device is in flight-mode.
Nov 06 10:04:19 <timeless> bug!
Nov 06 10:04:28 <timeless> please file, that's insane
Nov 06 10:04:33 <czr> all the widgets are disabled in this mode
Nov 06 10:04:36 <czr> indeed
Nov 06 10:04:48 <timeless> otoh, i shouldn' really be surprised
Nov 06 10:04:52 <czr> let me make a screenshot
Nov 06 10:05:10 <timeless> nah, it happens here too
Nov 06 10:05:23 * timeless rotfl
Nov 06 10:05:26 <timeless> read the help
Nov 06 10:05:47 <timeless> Bluetooth on--...Note that Bluetooth connectivity is automatically switched on when an application requires it.
Nov 06 10:05:51 <timeless> oh really?
Nov 06 10:05:55 <timeless> even in flight mode?
Nov 06 10:07:18 <czr> flight mode kills bt
Nov 06 10:07:22 <czr> I think
Nov 06 10:07:34 <czr> although I didn't have BT on too.
Nov 06 10:08:28 <czr> http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/bugs/bt-devname-unchangeable-while-in-flight.png
Nov 06 10:08:54 <czr> when device is put back into normal mode, the "bluetooth on" checkbox is enabled, but not the two other widgets
Nov 06 10:09:12 <czr> forcing BT on to change the device name seems slightly silly to me
Nov 06 10:10:23 <czr> timeless, yup. the device name is NOT changed into the background dialog
Nov 06 10:10:59 <czr> it IS changed into the file manager though.
Nov 06 10:12:01 <czr> timeless, should I post bugs or not?
Nov 06 10:12:32 <timeless> since you can, do
Nov 06 10:12:42 <timeless> you found the bugs, i just explained them
Nov 06 10:12:48 <czr> why couldn't I? :-)
Nov 06 10:13:04 <czr> well. we'll see what will happen.
Nov 06 10:13:12 <timeless> anyway, do me a favor and file a bug about the help text being wrong :)
Nov 06 10:13:21 <czr> will do
Nov 06 10:13:36 <czr> hmm. which help text btw?
Nov 06 10:13:42 <timeless> in the bluetooth dialog
Nov 06 10:13:43 <timeless> click help
Nov 06 10:13:54 <timeless> i quoted the relevant bit
Nov 06 10:13:54 <czr> ahh. skipped that, give a sec
Nov 06 10:14:57 <czr> btw, my help text is completely different
Nov 06 10:15:36 <czr> doesn't contain your text. but doesn't really contain correct text either.
Nov 06 10:16:39 <timeless> heh
Nov 06 10:16:47 <timeless> lemme pull up your text :)
Nov 06 10:17:25 <czr> The dialog includes the following fields: \n "My device's name" - This is the device name shown to other devices supporting Bluetooth technology when set as visible. \n "Visible" - Select or unselect this box to make the device visible or invisible for other devices supporting Bluetooth technology. \n "OK" - Save changes and close the dialog \n "Devices" - Opens the dialog for devices supporting Bluetooth technology. \n "Cancel" - Discard changes and close the dia
Nov 06 10:17:25 <czr> log.
Nov 06 10:17:34 <czr> sry for the long line. all typos are mine.
Nov 06 10:17:40 <timeless> that's fine
Nov 06 10:18:13 <timeless> hrm, so we did a refresh to make the text vaguely better but mostly worse
Nov 06 10:18:16 <czr> it doesn't document the "Bluetooth on" checkbox at all.
Nov 06 10:18:26 <timeless> someone must have complained
Nov 06 10:18:30 <timeless> so someone "documented it"
Nov 06 10:18:37 <czr> or maybe they just changed it by mistake ;-)
Nov 06 10:18:40 <timeless> (incorrectly of course)
Nov 06 10:19:48 <timeless> ok, pulled up the old text
Nov 06 10:20:10 <timeless> ok, the old text is definitely "bad"
Nov 06 10:20:15 <czr> even worse? :-)
Nov 06 10:20:26 <timeless> unfortunately i'm prety sure the new text is actually worse
Nov 06 10:20:27 <zerojay> If you need help with that bug, let me know. I don't know why I'm awake at 5am, but here I am.
Nov 06 10:20:49 <czr> zerojay, which one of the three/four? :-)
Nov 06 10:20:57 <timeless> well, one of you should just make a note to file a bug abou the new text when you flash 2008 :)
Nov 06 10:21:06 <zerojay> Hah.
Nov 06 10:21:10 <zerojay> Whichever.
Nov 06 10:21:21 <czr> maybe I'll just write up the bugs before any new appear.
Nov 06 10:21:23 <timeless> the help already went to bed, so there's no point in me filing internally
Nov 06 10:21:35 <timeless> heh, yeah, good idea
Nov 06 10:21:49 <czr> err. which version should I file against? 3.2? (N800 running 2007)
Nov 06 10:21:59 <timeless> that's fine
Nov 06 10:22:13 <zerojay> Probably should include a note that it's in 2008 as well.
Nov 06 10:22:25 <timeless> yeah, you can do that if you like
Nov 06 10:22:33 <timeless> nothing wrong w/ filing against 3.2
Nov 06 10:22:41 <timeless> if we can't handle it, we need to fix our process until we can
Nov 06 10:22:50 <czr> I'll file it against 3.2 and let it escalate to where-ever
Nov 06 10:23:45 * timeless sighs
Nov 06 10:23:51 <timeless> the help text is really awkward
Nov 06 10:23:59 <timeless> "set as visible" *cough*
Nov 06 10:24:30 <zerojay> Proof that hardly anyone looked at it before and hardly anyone looked at it after. ;P
Nov 06 10:24:39 <czr> bug 1: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2220
Nov 06 10:24:51 <timeless> i have a hard enough time getting normal strings right
Nov 06 10:24:59 <czr> timeless, you might add notes about the text being awkward. I'm not a native speaker so lack credibility
Nov 06 10:25:01 <timeless> average time to fix is >18months
Nov 06 10:25:40 <zerojay> damn
Nov 06 10:25:42 <czr> next one..
Nov 06 10:28:30 <zerojay> Anyone else think this whole karma thing started about six months too late?
Nov 06 10:28:33 <lardman> Anyone used Pidgin with Bonjour (not necessarily on an internet tablet)?
Nov 06 10:28:36 <czr> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2221
Nov 06 10:28:49 <czr> that's the one about the background browse thing not updating device name changes
Nov 06 10:28:57 <czr> next one..
Nov 06 10:29:07 <lardman> zerojay: it's achieved what it set out to do - getting people to think about filing bugs, rating blogs, updating downloads, etc.
Nov 06 10:29:08 <zerojay> lardman: What would Pidgin need to use Bonjour for?
Nov 06 10:29:25 <lardman> zerojay: impromtu chats
Nov 06 10:29:39 <zerojay> lardman: Except that when it's important (NOW), it's still far too buggy to be useful.
Nov 06 10:29:53 <lardman> zerojay: But it's not important now
Nov 06 10:30:13 <zerojay> Right when they're going to be giving away the discounts? Seems like the most important time to me.
Nov 06 10:30:33 <lardman> zerojay: the 'developer' device thing is just to kick start the karma, I don't think it's all that important in the choice to be honest (I have no idea though)
Nov 06 10:31:05 <lardman> or rather the fact they lauched it now and said it goes toward the developer device is just to kick start it etc
Nov 06 10:31:10 <zerojay> I also don't like that I've spent my time doing stuff like helping out on ITT with people directly and it's given no weight compared to someone that passively clicked a few stars here or there.
Nov 06 10:31:29 <zerojay> But no system can be perfect.
Nov 06 10:31:46 <lardman> I still think its bearing on the dev device is probably not going to be very much, at least not this time round
Nov 06 10:31:55 <zerojay> And I don't think Reggie's going to be able to give any sort of API or anything for getting information from ITT anyways.
Nov 06 10:32:06 <lardman> really?
Nov 06 10:32:07 <zerojay> Yeah, I guess we'll see.
Nov 06 10:32:12 <lardman> why not?
Nov 06 10:32:28 <Jaffa> He's not got a lot of time, and is doing a visual refresh at the moment
Nov 06 10:32:45 <zerojay> He seems to busy to even bother with the site at all most of the time.
Nov 06 10:32:46 <lardman> wget the profile page and grep it for "post count" or whatever the string is - seems reasonable to me
Nov 06 10:32:57 <Jaffa> zerojay: It'd be trivial for someone - either 3rd party or external - to expose an API for getting postcount
Nov 06 10:33:00 <zerojay> too busy
Nov 06 10:33:02 <czr> timeless, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2222 . This one started the whole thing.
Nov 06 10:33:08 <czr> ooh. 2222! /me wins.
Nov 06 10:33:10 <Jaffa> s/external/Maemo karma team/
Nov 06 10:33:12 <infobot> Jaffa meant: zerojay: It'd be trivial for someone - either 3rd party or Maemo karma team - to expose an API for getting postcount
Nov 06 10:33:14 <czr> I have to. with such a number.
Nov 06 10:33:26 <zerojay> Postcount isn't great though.
Nov 06 10:33:30 <zerojay> Bleh.
Nov 06 10:33:38 <lardman> I know, but how else in the short term?
Nov 06 10:34:03 <Jaffa> zerojay: indeed, but without a karma system on ITT taking into account indivdual ++/-- then, as lardman says, what else is there?
Nov 06 10:34:07 <timeless> i like other comments in 2221 :)
Nov 06 10:34:28 <zerojay> czr: Bug #1111 on my company's internal bugzilla... I filed a bug against the fact that some of our game's text had a ton of exclamation points all over the place. Somehow seemed that the bug for "!!!!" was appropriate for bug #1111.
Nov 06 10:34:29 <dolfun> YOU ARE NOW A CRIMINAL.  H.R. 1955  "(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION- The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system... to advance political, religious, or social change."    http://www.lewrockwell.com/knaebel/knaebel11.html
Nov 06 10:34:32 <Jaffa> I think IRC lines spoken should count (perhaps lines in last 3 months, rolling average or something): we've got the logs.
Nov 06 10:34:46 <timeless> i'd be #1 :)
Nov 06 10:34:49 <zerojay> dolfun: stfu.
Nov 06 10:34:49 <czr> zerojay, heh. true :-)
Nov 06 10:35:13 <timeless> oh
Nov 06 10:35:13 <lardman> _Monkey would be up there too ;)
Nov 06 10:35:37 <timeless> https://bugs.maemo.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Documentation
Nov 06 10:35:41 <timeless> can you se the Help component?
Nov 06 10:35:54 <Jaffa> lardman: filter out _Monkey ;-)
Nov 06 10:35:56 <zerojay> Help content, yes.
Nov 06 10:36:02 <timeless> s/se/use/
Nov 06 10:36:03 <infobot> timeless meant: can you use the Help component?
Nov 06 10:36:04 <Jaffa> Maybe even take into account the bots' karma systems...
Nov 06 10:36:06 <Jaffa> zerojay++
Nov 06 10:36:21 <Jaffa> Oh, _Monkey's not here.
Nov 06 10:36:26 <Jaffa> infobot: zerojay++
Nov 06 10:36:29 <timeless> someone killed it?
Nov 06 10:36:36 <timeless> infobot karma for zerojay
Nov 06 10:36:36 <infobot> for zerojay has neutral karma
Nov 06 10:36:39 <zerojay> HURRAAAAAYYYYY!!!!
Nov 06 10:36:57 <timeless> good to know you aren't evil
Nov 06 10:37:03 <zerojay> So you think.
Nov 06 10:37:14 * zerojay twirls his handlebar mustache.
Nov 06 10:37:34 <czr> timeless, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2223 this is about the unchangeability of device name.
Nov 06 10:37:44 <zerojay> I know Monkey has one particular word... crashes the bot each and every time.
Nov 06 10:37:45 <czr> so. four bugs. not five. or maybe I forgot something.
Nov 06 10:38:15 <timeless> did you lose canconfirm?
Nov 06 10:38:32 <lardman> anyway, no one used Pidgin with Bonjour (to talk to iChat basically)? I don't see anything indicating it's running over and above my MSN login
Nov 06 10:38:34 <czr> timeless, canconfirm?
Nov 06 10:38:52 <timeless> http://www.mozilla.org/quality/help/bugzilla-privilege-guide.html#canconfirm
Nov 06 10:38:58 <timeless> for lack of a better reference
Nov 06 10:39:23 <czr> ah no. I don't start them in a confirmed state
Nov 06 10:39:37 <czr> I assume that someone from N will decide the state and leave it up to them.
Nov 06 10:39:38 <timeless> intentional choice? ok
Nov 06 10:39:47 <timeless> fine, i don't mind
Nov 06 10:39:53 <czr> also, maybe the "unchangeable device name" is a feature. not a bug ;-)
Nov 06 10:39:57 <timeless> i tend to do that for areas ouside my own
Nov 06 10:40:06 * czr nods
Nov 06 10:40:07 <timeless> i'm sure it's specified, i can check :)
Nov 06 10:40:10 <czr> maemo isn't my area really :-)
Nov 06 10:40:41 <czr> I wonder whether the same things will happen to these bugs what happened to most of my 1.0 bugs
Nov 06 10:40:53 <czr> we'll see :-)
Nov 06 10:41:08 * czr back-to-proper-works.
Nov 06 10:43:39 <|tbb|>  
Nov 06 10:45:35 <czr> btw, does anyone know whether application manager will be available for 4.0 sdk at some point?
Nov 06 10:45:41 <zerojay> Anyone got an e-mail address on alterego?
Nov 06 10:46:06 <czr> zerojay, mailing lists?
Nov 06 10:46:24 <zerojay> Not sure if he posts there.. ee...
Nov 06 10:46:28 <czr> he has
Nov 06 10:46:32 <czr> search for alterego
Nov 06 10:46:33 <inz> czr, doesn't the one from sardine work?
Nov 06 10:46:54 <czr> inz, you're proposing I mix the 4.0beta with sardine?
Nov 06 10:47:06 <czr> what's the package name for it there inz?
Nov 06 10:48:24 <inz> czr, osso-application-installer
Nov 06 10:50:56 <czr> ah, they didn't change the name.
Nov 06 10:51:04 <czr> it was available in normal 3.2 though.
Nov 06 10:51:12 <czr> (with apt-get, without sardine)
Nov 06 10:51:31 <czr> the problem is that I'd rather not use sardine as I need to test the existing code base against 4.0, not sardine.
Nov 06 11:08:19 <czr> hmm. interestingly enough, the "$@" has made it into 4.0beta sdk.
Nov 06 11:08:21 * czr yays
Nov 06 11:08:30 <czr> sp3000, thanks :-)
Nov 06 11:08:58 <sp3000> heh
Nov 06 11:37:28 <zerojay> alterego, if you happen to read #maemo logs: http://www.jablet.net/news/?p=6
Nov 06 11:43:42 * lardman wonders how hard it would be to port the OPL runtime....
Nov 06 11:44:11 <zerojay> OPL?
Nov 06 11:44:32 * ccooke wonders what the best (UK) price anyone's seen for an n810 is
Nov 06 11:44:42 <lardman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_programming_language
Nov 06 11:45:58 <zerojay> Sony Ericsson P1.. if I never hear about that phone ever again, it'll be too soon.
Nov 06 11:46:02 <lardman> ccooke: There's a thread on ITT about somewhere (play.com?) having it for ~£149
Nov 06 11:46:17 <lardman> zerojay: I'm thinking more of the Psion series 5
Nov 06 11:46:48 <zerojay> I'm just complaining because it's taken about 5 weeks for me to get some people to send me the keymaping for it.
Nov 06 11:47:15 <ccooke> Heh. I loved my old Psion 5mx.
Nov 06 11:47:28 <zerojay> It shouldn't take that long to get 7 numbers, especially since they have the tool to get said numbers within 3 minutes.
Nov 06 11:47:42 <ccooke> lardman: hmm. Play.com have it for about "290
Nov 06 11:47:47 <ccooke> er. £290.
Nov 06 11:48:06 <lardman> ccooke: hmm, perhaps the thread was about the 770 then. No idea sorry
Nov 06 11:48:35 <ccooke> http://www.superetrader.co.uk/nokia-n810-internet-tablet-p-2974.html - this site has it for £258.50
Nov 06 11:48:40 <gla55> lardman: has opl been ported outside symbian/epoc ever?
Nov 06 11:49:13 <ccooke> Some people were saying this was Far Too Cheap and looked like a scam... but that was before play.com dropped their price from £499 to £290 :-)
Nov 06 11:49:20 <lardman> gla55: I was having a quick google to work that out, and couldn't find anything
Nov 06 11:50:01 <lardman> ccooke: It's not even £499 on the Nokia site is it?
Nov 06 11:50:19 <gla55> lardman: it was pretty symbian specific if i recall correctly so.. porting might be an ultimate bitch
Nov 06 11:50:39 <gla55> lardman: and considering nobodys bothered even porting it to s9
Nov 06 11:50:42 <ccooke> lardman: I don't think Nokia are listing a price yet
Nov 06 11:50:50 <lardman> gla55: Yes, I imagine so, but... it would be interesting to do
Nov 06 11:51:19 <lardman> gla55: Only use their code for the low level runtime, and even then probably need to rewrite it, then it basically becomes a virtual machine
Nov 06 11:52:14 * lardman is probably going mad
Nov 06 11:52:21 <suihkulokki> yes :)
Nov 06 11:52:33 <gla55> lardman: yeah intrestig would be the right word. i can't ever imagine getting so bored though :p   and then building the ui stuff
Nov 06 11:52:53 <leandroal> hello, does someone use linux omap kernel (git) on n800? I'm trying to recompile it but when I type make n800_defconfig it seems that the config file doesn't exist! :( Anyone to help me? I checkout and try this in tags HEAD, v2.6.21 and v2.6.18
Nov 06 11:53:47 <lardman> gla55: Oh yeah, dialog construction. Hmm.... I was just thinking of the graphical commands to draw lines and print text, which would be easy enough
Nov 06 11:54:10 <lardman> gla55: But still, I imagine it would be possible - wouldn't look the same, but might work the same :)
Nov 06 11:54:12 <suihkulokki> if you are really bored and want to port a language to maemo, please pick up: Gnu haskell, Gnu Objective C/gnustep, ocaml native compiler or "D" language :)
Nov 06 11:54:39 <lardman> I like opl though! :)
Nov 06 11:54:56 <lardman> nah, not sure I'm that bored anyway, should crack on with the DSP stuff
Nov 06 11:55:21 <lardman> and just use Python, which is much like OPL
Nov 06 11:55:30 <gla55> yeah..
Nov 06 11:55:58 <gla55> pys60 might be one of the reasons why nobodys bothered with bringing opl to current devices
Nov 06 11:58:08 <lardman> there was lots of legacy code floating about, in binary form though, I wonder if they had to change the runtime and therefore there's little point in supporting that
Nov 06 11:59:28 <gla55> the native code needing parts were in opx libs right? those would've needed porting
Nov 06 11:59:43 <gla55> and old sis packages repackaging
Nov 06 11:59:53 <lardman> sis could be supported
Nov 06 12:00:43 <lardman> opx is separate from the opl code, it would need to be supported but that ought to be reasonably easy in the grand scheme
Nov 06 12:02:13 <lardman> perhaps it's simply the case that better languages came along and meant it wasn't worth while
Nov 06 12:02:29 <lardman> it was good for quick graphical apps though
Nov 06 12:02:45 <gla55> back in the day i can imagine
Nov 06 12:03:03 <gla55> never did anything in it though myself
Nov 06 12:03:10 <gla55> just checked it out and went with c++
Nov 06 12:03:19 <lardman> Symbian C++?
Nov 06 12:03:23 <lardman> yuk
Nov 06 12:03:23 <gla55> yea
Nov 06 12:03:36 <gla55> i was then intrested in game coding
Nov 06 12:03:45 <gla55> and looking for alternative to j2me
Nov 06 12:04:18 <zerojay> BREW.
Nov 06 12:04:34 <lardman> I tried to get into the Symbian C++ stuff, but it was a pita. You pretty much needed to write from scratch. Then the Zaurus came along and that was ideal
Nov 06 12:04:49 <gla55> zerojay: i've never seen a single brew device with my own eyes
Nov 06 12:05:08 <zerojay> gla55: European?
Nov 06 12:05:12 <gla55> yes
Nov 06 12:05:18 <zerojay> Yeah, that explains it all.
Nov 06 12:05:28 <zerojay> BREW's only big in the US and Korea.
Nov 06 12:05:37 <gla55> yeah
Nov 06 12:05:40 <zerojay> Verizon.
Nov 06 12:07:09 <zerojay> I remember being told a few months ago that 02 was supposed to release a BREW RAZR but I never heard about it again and 02 never asked for BREW builds so...
Nov 06 12:08:36 <zerojay> anyways, work time
Nov 06 12:10:56 <lardman> has anyone tried driftnet on an n800?
Nov 06 12:17:21 <czr> hmm. where is the hildon-audit tool available?
Nov 06 12:19:12 <czr> or rather, why isn't it included in the 4.0 SDK (beta)?
Nov 06 12:30:23 <czr> argh.
Nov 06 12:30:36 <czr> hildon-audit: "sorry, your rules file is not supported by this version of the tool."
Nov 06 12:30:56 <inz> you win
Nov 06 12:30:58 <czr> installed from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/sardine/main/h/hildon-audit/hildon-audit_1.2-1_all.deb (into 4.0beta SDK)
Nov 06 12:31:07 <czr> for f*cks sake.
Nov 06 12:32:01 <czr> although any program whose help starts with "hildon-audit (: 25243 : 2007-07-20 11:46:31 +0300 (Fri, 20 Jul 2007) 1000 1001 1000 109 108 104 46 44 30 29 25 24 20 4" and continues with "hildon-audit is a tool to scan a folder (recursively) and grep" is bound to be interesting
Nov 06 12:32:06 <czr> folders? eek.
Nov 06 12:32:09 <Jaffa> zerojay: I like the jablet.net design
Nov 06 12:36:20 <czr> ahh. found the issue
Nov 06 13:07:41 <Tak> if I make a >64M swapfile, will the device use it?
Nov 06 13:11:34 <alterego> Up to 128M I believe.
Nov 06 13:12:27 <Tak> hmm...no mkswap on the device?
Nov 06 13:12:41 <alterego> Just use the control panel.
Nov 06 13:13:12 <Tak> only gives me the option of up to 64
Nov 06 13:13:37 <alterego> Strange.
Nov 06 13:13:41 <alterego> Is this a 770?
Nov 06 13:13:44 <Tak> yes.
Nov 06 13:13:50 <alterego> Ah, that might be why then :)
Nov 06 13:13:56 <alterego> Not OS2007?
Nov 06 13:14:00 <Tak> yes.
Nov 06 13:14:19 <alterego> Interesting.
Nov 06 13:14:46 <alterego> Ooo .. My karma has increased :)
Nov 06 13:14:54 <Tak> huzzah
Nov 06 13:15:08 <ertwroc> how can i install some libs under scratchbox?
Nov 06 13:15:52 <Tak> the same way you'd install them outside of scratchbox
Nov 06 13:16:12 <ertwroc> hmm
Nov 06 13:16:41 <Jaffa> Hmm. Can't wait for OS2008.
Nov 06 13:19:38 <czr> hmm. there's no virtual keyboard in 4.0beta sdk. is this on purpose?
Nov 06 13:23:51 <alterego> czr, no the SDK is BETA :)
Nov 06 13:24:06 <czr> alterego, har :-)
Nov 06 13:24:14 <czr> I'm serious though.
Nov 06 13:24:34 <alterego> I think I remember some one mentioning that it's missing and should be there.
Nov 06 13:24:51 <alterego> So chances are it'll be in the final SDK
Nov 06 13:25:49 <alterego> czr, did you see the desk shot's of my task list application?
Nov 06 13:26:24 <czr> alterego, I did. looked promising :-)
Nov 06 13:26:32 <czr> ah, ok. thanks for the info
Nov 06 13:27:38 <alterego> It has a neat feature. You can make it start it's own web service and then point your desktop computer to it's address to view the task list :)
Nov 06 13:35:03 * timeless sighs
Nov 06 13:35:14 * timeless is glad not to touch maemo mailinglists
Nov 06 13:35:32 <alterego> What's wrong with the mailing lists?
Nov 06 13:39:00 <czr> they've been quite confused for some time now
Nov 06 13:39:06 <czr> I think its the outbound mail server really
Nov 06 13:39:17 <czr> or something is going broken there. random delayes, but not to all, etc.
Nov 06 13:39:57 <Tak> http://flickr.com/photos/79742524@N00/sets/72157602959831523/
Nov 06 13:41:23 <alterego> That's really awesome Tak
Nov 06 13:41:34 <alterego> How about making it transparent? :)
Nov 06 13:41:54 <Tak> hah, I've been messing with that for days
Nov 06 13:42:27 <Tak> my problem is that I designed this gtk-like widget framework to be the backend for it
Nov 06 13:42:36 <alterego> Heh
Nov 06 13:43:06 <Tak> and propagating the pseudo-transparency through several layers of containers/etc is horribly wasteful
Nov 06 13:43:31 <czr> oh. you have a separate button for bulls*t too, cool :-)
Nov 06 13:43:56 <alterego> Hahah
Nov 06 13:44:11 <alterego> Yeah, gotta love the BS button.
Nov 06 13:45:18 <Tak> haha yeah
Nov 06 13:47:36 <alterego> This is pretty cool, I'm developing a general purpose ORM for my task list application.
Nov 06 13:48:16 <alterego> Something very similar to Rails' Model, which is interesting.
Nov 06 13:49:06 <czr> ORM sounds like something conan the barbarian would write.
Nov 06 13:49:14 <czr> "I present to you: ORM!"
Nov 06 13:49:20 <alterego> :)
Nov 06 13:49:22 <timeless> mailinglists are good places to get flamed
Nov 06 13:49:31 <timeless> they're bad places to ge work done
Nov 06 13:49:35 <Tak> meh, that reminds me of SCORM
Nov 06 13:49:36 <alterego> Heh
Nov 06 13:49:40 * Tak shudders @ SCORM
Nov 06 13:49:53 <Tak> timeless: you're referring to the pascal thread, aren't you?
Nov 06 13:50:08 <timeless> btw, IT promised to order me a replacement laptop keyboard w/ a working 't' key
Nov 06 13:50:11 <timeless> tak: SVG
Nov 06 13:50:20 <czr> hah. somehow I think someone is thinking that each port on the ml will push up the karma?
Nov 06 13:50:30 <czr> at least some of the recent emails have seemed like that. /me signs
Nov 06 13:50:31 <timeless> ml?
Nov 06 13:50:35 <czr> mailing-list
Nov 06 13:50:46 <czr> maemo-devel.
Nov 06 13:50:55 <timeless> well, the number of garage applications is something like 4-6 every day
Nov 06 13:51:03 <timeless> it used to be 1 every 1-4 weeks
Nov 06 13:51:09 <czr> +growing?
Nov 06 13:51:20 <timeless> i only get mail for each new request
Nov 06 13:51:25 <czr> haha
Nov 06 13:51:31 <czr> suits you sir :-)
Nov 06 13:52:09 <czr> damn. a friend just asked about some old prototype that I demoed to him ages ago. now someone at his company wants to actually use it.
Nov 06 13:52:24 * czr goes to broom away all the dust from version control system and starts to dig for the prototype.
Nov 06 13:54:37 <alterego> :)
Nov 06 14:01:09 <Jaffa> timeless: getting mediautils.garage.maemo.org seemed a lot easier than mud-builder.garage.maemo.org - maybe cos it's a simpler project, or maybe the rules are less stringent now?
Nov 06 14:01:46 * timeless shrugs
Nov 06 14:02:08 <Tak> alterego: so, would you like to test and/or host my rubygame package?
Nov 06 14:02:27 <alterego> Sure, if you want me to :)
Nov 06 14:02:37 <timeless> someone submitted pyCal 2hrs ago
Nov 06 14:03:02 <alterego> Would you like access to my SVN?
Nov 06 14:03:33 <Tak> ok?
Nov 06 14:04:09 <alterego> Well, if you keep your work in the SVN it makes it easier for me to package releases in the future.
Nov 06 14:04:13 * Tak nods
Nov 06 14:06:19 * alterego tries to remember the command to add users to the repository ^_^
Nov 06 14:06:46 <alterego> I think it was htpasswd ..
Nov 06 14:06:56 <czr> rm -Rf!
Nov 06 14:07:01 <alterego> :D
Nov 06 14:07:02 <czr> the ultimate system admin tool.
Nov 06 14:07:05 <czr> all problems go away
Nov 06 14:07:25 <suihkulokki> it's a mail reader
Nov 06 14:07:33 <suihkulokki> rm -rf = read mail - real fast
Nov 06 14:07:37 <czr> hmm. if there are two 4.0 howtos that conflict between each other, which one to use?
Nov 06 14:07:49 <alterego> :)
Nov 06 14:07:51 <czr> (the other is the maemo tutorial, the other is the maemo coding conventions doc)
Nov 06 14:08:00 * czr thinks about rolling the dice.
Nov 06 14:08:14 <czr> or just die.
Nov 06 14:13:58 <alterego> Tak, if you stick it under /repository/ruby-maemo/ruby-game
Nov 06 14:18:59 <Tak> lol - is there an end to that sentence?
Nov 06 14:19:22 <alterego> Sorry
Nov 06 14:19:24 <alterego>  .
Nov 06 14:19:27 <alterego> :)
Nov 06 14:19:43 <Tak> parse error: expected kELSE or kEND
Nov 06 14:19:49 <alterego> :D
Nov 06 14:28:51 <L0cutus> alciao alterego :)
Nov 06 14:28:57 <L0cutus> ops, ciao*
Nov 06 14:29:03 <alterego> Hello L0cutus
Nov 06 14:29:35 <L0cutus> any news on your rx task ? :)
Nov 06 14:30:00 <alterego> It's coming along nicely.
Nov 06 14:49:53 <czr> hmm. question about hildon_banner_show_information. what is the icon_name parameter (gchar*) and where are the icons listed?
Nov 06 14:51:06 <alterego> Just a sec.
Nov 06 14:52:59 <czr> http://www.gtk.org/api/2.6/gtk/gtk-Stock-Items.html
Nov 06 14:53:27 <alterego> You might be able to specify a full path name.
Nov 06 14:53:27 <czr> found one usage of hildon_banner_show_information that used the parameter as non-NULL (the camera howto, of all documents)
Nov 06 14:53:34 <czr> I don't need a full path name
Nov 06 14:53:39 <czr> I just need an error icon :-)
Nov 06 14:54:12 <alterego> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26
Nov 06 14:54:21 <alterego> I believe there in there.
Nov 06 14:54:33 <czr> ah, I think I was maybe unclear
Nov 06 14:54:48 <czr> wasn't looking for their physical location but rather "what to put instead of NULL" in the API call.
Nov 06 14:54:56 <alterego> Yeah,
Nov 06 14:54:58 <alterego> there names :P
Nov 06 14:56:28 <czr> yup. found it anyway.
Nov 06 14:56:34 <czr> going through code that uses infoprint.
Nov 06 14:56:42 <alterego> Example?
Nov 06 14:56:52 <czr> example?
Nov 06 14:56:55 <alterego> I'd be interested in getting a list of icon names.
Nov 06 14:57:05 <czr> check the url I gave you
Nov 06 14:57:11 <czr> the names are just names for the gtk stock icons
Nov 06 14:57:18 <rothiel> hi
Nov 06 14:57:23 <czr> infoprint used to use the symbolic defines (at least the old maemo tutorial used to)
Nov 06 14:57:29 <alterego> Ah.
Nov 06 14:57:31 <alterego> Cool.
Nov 06 14:57:34 <czr> the new tutorial only uses NULL (the default icon is the green info thingy)
Nov 06 14:57:54 <alterego> That's interesting,.
Nov 06 14:58:42 <czr> so now I have this:
Nov 06 14:58:58 <czr> hildon_banner_show_information(GTK_WIDGET(app->window), "gtk-dialog-error", "Failed to load the file");
Nov 06 14:59:20 <czr> as before I had .. something that I already deleted. GTK_STOCK_STOP I think, with gtk_infoprint() (from hildon)
Nov 06 15:00:04 <alterego> Heh
Nov 06 15:03:14 <lopz> hola
Nov 06 15:03:54 <lardman> Does latex work for anyone else inside scratchbox?
Nov 06 15:05:20 * lardman compiled giac/xcas over lunch, but it falls at the final hurdle - doc generation
Nov 06 15:06:36 <lardman> I also tried driftnet, which fails as BSD-like defines aren't being used (despite being passed with a -D flag) in the pcap headers
Nov 06 15:06:48 <lardman> generally a very productive lunch break
Nov 06 15:07:09 <alterego> :)
Nov 06 15:23:24 <czr> hmm. how do I use valgrind with 4.0beta sdk?
Nov 06 15:25:12 <dowellconning> Heyas
Nov 06 15:25:23 <dowellconning> Is there any reason I can't get sound in Flash 9?
Nov 06 15:25:46 <dowellconning> Is that normal, or is there a known workaround for this problem etc
Nov 06 15:25:47 <dowellconning> ?
Nov 06 15:26:24 <alterego> Turning the volume up.
Nov 06 15:26:42 <dowellconning> XD
Nov 06 15:27:10 <dowellconning> The volume is up in terms of system volume, as I can hear my screen taps but not the flash output
Nov 06 15:27:20 <dowellconning> Is there a flash specific volume setting?
Nov 06 15:27:45 <timeless> shoudl be
Nov 06 15:27:56 <timeless> try the context menu on a flash applet
Nov 06 15:27:59 <timeless> and select settings?
Nov 06 15:28:10 <dowellconning> I tried that, there only seems to be input volume
Nov 06 15:29:12 <dowellconning> Does it work for most people?
Nov 06 15:29:16 <rothiel> Hey
Nov 06 15:29:41 <rothiel>     image = gtk_image_new_from_file ("./fond_push01.png");
Nov 06 15:29:58 <rothiel> I have a red cross instead of my png ;(
Nov 06 15:30:06 <rothiel> is there an error ?
Nov 06 15:30:17 <timeless> did you use strace o see if it's opening the file?
Nov 06 15:30:31 <rothiel> no
Nov 06 15:30:49 <timeless> well, is it opening the file ;-?
Nov 06 15:30:55 <zoran> folks, I have a question about 770/last 2006 issue: it turns off just after I remove cover, despite I turned it off.
Nov 06 15:31:08 <zoran> *turns _on_
Nov 06 15:31:13 <rothiel> I never used strace :p
Nov 06 15:31:25 <timeless> can you install it?
Nov 06 15:31:32 <timeless> man/google will be your friends
Nov 06 15:31:33 <rothiel> let me the time for man reading ^^
Nov 06 15:31:43 <timeless> sure
Nov 06 15:32:09 <zoran> anybody saw this self-on fiture?
Nov 06 15:32:17 <zoran> *feature
Nov 06 15:32:42 <dowellconning> Zoran: Let me check on mine
Nov 06 15:32:46 <zoran> k
Nov 06 15:32:47 <alterego> zoran, the device should come out of suspend when you remove the cover.
Nov 06 15:32:58 <alterego> It won't turn itself _on_ though.
Nov 06 15:32:59 <bgm> hi, small newbie porting question: should I compile/dev from the n800, or from a desktop and cross-compile?
Nov 06 15:32:59 <zoran> hm, never saw before
Nov 06 15:33:20 <zoran> folks, I turn it off for sure
Nov 06 15:33:20 <alterego> So if it's properly turned off it will not turn on when you take it out of the shell.
Nov 06 15:33:29 <zoran> it did
Nov 06 15:33:37 <dowellconning> Zoran: It doesn't do this on mine
Nov 06 15:33:43 <zoran> :(
Nov 06 15:33:45 <alterego> You've not turned it off properly.
Nov 06 15:33:55 <zoran> probably
Nov 06 15:33:57 <rothiel> bgm > from the scratchbox sdk (linux-only)
Nov 06 15:34:06 <zoran> I did loooong press on the button
Nov 06 15:34:07 <alterego> Is it plugged in to the mains?
Nov 06 15:34:13 <zoran> no
Nov 06 15:34:29 <zoran> and I tried with menu off
Nov 06 15:34:38 <zoran> the same but not always
Nov 06 15:34:48 <dowellconning> Also does anyone know where to get ukmp from? I can't find a repository.
Nov 06 15:34:51 <zoran> jsut if I let it for hours in my table
Nov 06 15:35:14 <bgm> rothiel: ok, thanks
Nov 06 15:36:14 <zoran> have I found and awoke some hidden process for house keeping?
Nov 06 15:36:16 <dowellconning> Oh wait, here it is >_<; Sorry was being an idiot.
Nov 06 15:37:17 <dowellconning> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/ukmp?get_installfile <- Doesn't work
Nov 06 15:37:31 <dowellconning> Any repositories I can get UKMP from?
Nov 06 15:39:26 <zoran> I could confirm that my 770 stays down for whatever cover position: onsly the first cover remove in a day!
Nov 06 15:40:03 <zoran> the last thing I noticed was an impossibility to refresh rep lists
Nov 06 15:40:51 <dowellconning> You probably added a repository that was not compatiblea
Nov 06 15:40:55 <dowellconning> *compatible
Nov 06 15:40:58 <zoran> no
Nov 06 15:41:04 <dowellconning> ?
Nov 06 15:41:12 <zoran> repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale
Nov 06 15:41:32 <zoran> try to download anything from free
Nov 06 15:41:41 <dowellconning> Did you include the final /
Nov 06 15:41:51 <zoran> nothing changed in my conf
Nov 06 15:41:54 <dowellconning> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale/
Nov 06 15:41:58 <dowellconning> Rather than
Nov 06 15:42:06 <dowellconning> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/gregale
Nov 06 15:42:08 <dowellconning> ?
Nov 06 15:42:08 <zoran> download something from free
Nov 06 15:43:22 <dowellconning> It didn't work without the final /
Nov 06 15:43:39 <zoran> no, I got access deny
Nov 06 15:43:55 <dowellconning> Add the final / then
Nov 06 15:43:57 <dowellconning> ?
Nov 06 15:44:06 <zoran> take a browser to find the bin
Nov 06 15:44:19 <zoran> just follow links one by one
Nov 06 15:44:42 <dowellconning> okay
Nov 06 15:45:17 <zoran> ie:/free/a/apt/apt_0.6...
Nov 06 15:45:30 <dowellconning> yes thats done
Nov 06 15:45:45 <zoran> you got the file?
Nov 06 15:46:06 <dowellconning> yes
Nov 06 15:46:15 <zoran> any of armel.deb?
Nov 06 15:46:23 <zoran> not for me!
Nov 06 15:46:35 <dowellconning> I got .all.deb
Nov 06 15:46:45 <zoran> authorization required
Nov 06 15:46:50 <dowellconning> Not for me
Nov 06 15:47:03 <zoran> hm
Nov 06 15:47:18 <zoran> lets try from another ip
Nov 06 15:47:44 <dowellconning> What are we trying to accomplish?
Nov 06 15:48:58 <zoran> huh, from another ip I got this file!
Nov 06 15:49:56 <zoran> just, dunno what's going on
Nov 06 15:50:23 <zoran> using my provider, I have no access to repositories
Nov 06 15:50:45 <zoran> connectiing from another box, it comes to me as a candy
Nov 06 15:52:48 <zoran> hm, whatever browser/protocol I use, no luck from home address
Nov 06 15:53:30 <dowellconning> Have a word with your ISP
Nov 06 15:53:42 <zoran> monopolist guys
Nov 06 15:54:01 <zoran> "ah, you don;t want your internet?"
Nov 06 15:55:24 <zoran> does it change something if I open the cover from 770 in some angle?
Nov 06 15:55:45 <alterego> What do you think?
Nov 06 15:56:05 <zoran> if I change the angle, dod I switched something to turn on?
Nov 06 15:56:06 <alterego> The behaviour you're describing sounds ridiculous zoran :P
Nov 06 15:56:19 <zoran> yes
Nov 06 15:56:20 <alterego> If you're unsure, read the manual.
Nov 06 15:56:36 <zoran> it never happened before
Nov 06 15:56:46 <alterego> Well you've broken it then haven't you.
Nov 06 15:57:00 <alterego> Try flashing it.
Nov 06 15:57:09 <alterego> (OS2007 HE) :P
Nov 06 15:57:11 <zoran> dir month ago
Nov 06 15:57:13 <zoran> ah!
Nov 06 15:57:34 <dowellconning> Alterego: Is the 2007HE flash worth it?
Nov 06 15:57:44 <zoran> I'll miss all of my command line apps
Nov 06 15:57:55 <alterego> It's worth a try.
Nov 06 15:57:57 <alterego> :)
Nov 06 15:58:02 <alterego> I don't know, I've got an N800
Nov 06 15:58:07 <dowellconning> Ah kk
Nov 06 15:58:14 <dowellconning> I think I'll stick with 2006 then :P
Nov 06 15:58:22 <dowellconning> I haven't heard any good end user reports
Nov 06 15:58:25 <zoran> if I don't have screen, mutt, lynx... no way
Nov 06 15:58:44 <dowellconning> And my 770 is my main computer at the momnet
Nov 06 15:58:46 <dowellconning> *moment
Nov 06 15:58:51 <alterego> Why wouldn't you have 'screen', 'mutt' & 'lynx' ?
Nov 06 15:58:57 <dowellconning> Very capable if you add a wireless kb
Nov 06 15:59:17 <zoran> do they work on 2007?
Nov 06 15:59:18 <alterego> OS2007 HE makes your 770 compatible with N800 packages.
Nov 06 15:59:26 <GeneralAntilles> OS2007HE is worth it.
Nov 06 15:59:28 <GeneralAntilles> Faster
Nov 06 15:59:29 <GeneralAntilles> better
Nov 06 15:59:29 <zoran> no screen for 2007
Nov 06 15:59:31 <GeneralAntilles> stronger.
Nov 06 15:59:32 <alterego> Though OS2007 and OS2006 are mostly already compatible.
Nov 06 15:59:53 <alterego> zoran, all your packages will work.
Nov 06 16:00:01 <zoran> k
Nov 06 16:00:09 <alterego> And if you're unhappy. Just flash it back to 2006
Nov 06 16:00:29 <zoran> :)
Nov 06 16:00:46 <zoran> I am happy in all ocasions
Nov 06 16:00:50 <dowellconning> GeneralAntilles: Is it stable now? Also Skype would make my life allot easier, I'm racking up a huge phone bill calling people I know are on skype, but not on Google Talk XD
Nov 06 16:01:16 <GeneralAntilles> It's both more and less stable than 2006
Nov 06 16:01:33 <|R> anyone know if the stowaway bluetooth keyboard qui be configured not to timeout or to timeout at a longer interval?
Nov 06 16:01:34 <GeneralAntilles> Seatbelt solved a lot of the instabilities I was having, though.
Nov 06 16:01:34 <alterego> Using it will only help improve stability.
Nov 06 16:01:41 <alterego> Think of the others!
Nov 06 16:01:46 * Tak still needs to install seatbelt
Nov 06 16:01:48 <dowellconning> 'Seatbelt'?
Nov 06 16:02:18 <alterego> Is seatbelt just for 770/OS2007HE?
Nov 06 16:02:25 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10317
Nov 06 16:02:28 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, alterego.
Nov 06 16:02:34 <alterego> Thought as much.
Nov 06 16:02:41 <GeneralAntilles> The N800 has enough RAM that it doesn't matter.
Nov 06 16:02:43 <alterego> Interesting solution.
Nov 06 16:02:47 <dowellconning> Thank you very much, thats very helpful =3
Nov 06 16:03:00 <alterego> Ah, so it just fixes memory issue.
Nov 06 16:04:34 <zoran> paging solution?
Nov 06 16:06:23 <dolfun> is anybody working on a faster SNES emulator than Snes9x for maemo?
Nov 06 16:07:29 <Tak> I'm sure pupnik is
Nov 06 16:08:03 <Tak> what we need is some arm guru to come in and build us hand-optimized emulators
Nov 06 16:08:12 <zoran> hm, what a way to change 3 options in vm
Nov 06 16:08:25 <dowellconning> Oddly I am learning ARM assembler at the moment XD
Nov 06 16:08:36 <appetkov> is it possible to use x2x on maemo?
Nov 06 16:08:37 <dowellconning> Thats what they teach us at uni these days
Nov 06 16:08:45 <czr> Tak, arm guru and hand-optimized is a funny pun :-)
Nov 06 16:08:50 * Tak assigns task to dowellconning 
Nov 06 16:09:25 <GeneralAntilles> I wish Logitech would stick a bluetooth transceiver in one of their gamepads.
Nov 06 16:09:41 <Tak> ;-) @ czr
Nov 06 16:10:23 <dowellconning> I don't know it yet though, I'm having a hard time understanding the hardware stuff they are teaching us, I hope that by the end of the academic year I will be more useful though
Nov 06 16:10:38 <dowellconning> Has anyone had UKTUBE work? o_O;
Nov 06 16:10:46 <dowellconning> It doesn't seem to do anything for me
Nov 06 16:10:59 <czr> dowellconning, arm is the first arch for you?
Nov 06 16:11:02 <GeneralAntilles> You have mplayer installed?
Nov 06 16:11:07 <czr> hw/asm-wise I mean
Nov 06 16:11:41 <dowellconning> czr: I knew a bit of PPC a few years back but then apple switched XD So yes ARM would be my first archetecture
Nov 06 16:11:58 <czr> ah, well, it's not the simplest, but it's not the hardest either :-)
Nov 06 16:12:12 <czr> the flexibility of "arm" is the only major problem
Nov 06 16:12:21 <czr> you never quite know what you're working with :-)
Nov 06 16:12:26 <suihkulokki> original arm was simple, now they have added all kinds of funny things
Nov 06 16:12:32 <dowellconning> GeneralAntilles: No I don't, I didn't see it under it's dependancies o.o; I'll get it now
Nov 06 16:12:33 <czr> yup
Nov 06 16:12:41 <czr> very unlike MIPS. they've stayed the course.
Nov 06 16:13:41 <dowellconning> At least it can divide unlike the P1 X3
Nov 06 16:13:56 <alterego> I still like ARM
Nov 06 16:14:15 * czr fell in love with epic.
Nov 06 16:14:19 <dowellconning> Well it is the most used chipset in the world o_O;
Nov 06 16:14:21 <czr> too bad I don't get to use it very often.
Nov 06 16:14:37 <alterego> Yes, I guess it is.
Nov 06 16:14:49 <dowellconning> My tutor asked our class what the most used arch is and everyone said intel, I almost cried
Nov 06 16:14:50 <alterego> I never really thought about that ..
Nov 06 16:15:10 <czr> dowellconning, of course. since the correct answer would be "paper and pen" :-)
Nov 06 16:15:17 <alterego> :)
Nov 06 16:15:21 <dowellconning> czr: XD
Nov 06 16:15:30 <||cw> well, most used depends on context
Nov 06 16:15:50 <||cw> if you are talking about desktops and servers, yes it's x86
Nov 06 16:15:55 <alterego> Pretty much everything depends on context.
Nov 06 16:16:08 <dowellconning> I mean in terms of _all_ processor archs
Nov 06 16:16:18 <||cw> if you are talking about cpus in general for everthing, certainly arm
Nov 06 16:16:39 <||cw> there's a lot of routers and switches and other embeded systems out there
Nov 06 16:16:49 <||cw> even some scsi controlers
Nov 06 16:16:53 <suihkulokki> cw, there can be multiple arm cores in your X86 pc..
Nov 06 16:17:02 <dowellconning> GeneralAntilles: It still crashes... Or if I untick "save file on memory card" it just hangs on 'initiating download..."
Nov 06 16:17:13 <suihkulokki> raid controller, wlan chip, bluetooth chip, dvb tuner..
Nov 06 16:17:35 <czr> ppc is much more often used in networking though
Nov 06 16:17:50 <||cw> i wouldn't think bt or wlan would be complex enough to warrent an arm
Nov 06 16:17:54 <czr> maybe arm is ok with small devices, but it runs out of steam pretty quickly.
Nov 06 16:18:07 <dowellconning> GeneralAntilles: What version should I have?
Nov 06 16:18:48 <||cw> czr: in high end swicthes, yes, but there a lot more low end switches
Nov 06 16:18:50 <suihkulokki> cw, prism54/marvell wlan have arm, csr bluethooth chips have arm
Nov 06 16:18:58 <czr> ||cw, I know :-)
Nov 06 16:19:10 <czr> a lot of stuff has MIPS nowadays too
Nov 06 16:19:14 <czr> esp gigabit ethernet chips
Nov 06 16:19:23 <czr> which I find somewhat ironic.
Nov 06 16:19:27 <alterego> Heh
Nov 06 16:20:58 <Jaffa> Lots of STBs are running on ARM CPUs
Nov 06 16:21:18 <suihkulokki> even powervr KYRO display adapter had a ARM core ticking in it
Nov 06 16:22:50 <||cw> interesting, I had no idea it was that pervasive
Nov 06 16:23:21 <dowellconning> Anyone else have difficulties with UKTUBE?
Nov 06 16:23:42 <dowellconning> For me it seems to be hanging on 'Initiating download...'
Nov 06 16:28:39 <Jaffa> dowellconning: I believe YouTube's changed its HTML, and the screenscraping isn't working. I've not looked, since I don't use YouTube on my tablet
Nov 06 16:29:25 <dowellconning> Jaffa: Thanks for the background there, I'll have a quick look for more information based on that, thanks =3
Nov 06 16:29:34 <Jaffa> There've been threads about it on ITT.
Nov 06 16:30:34 <dowellconning> Thats where I am looking n.n
Nov 06 16:33:10 <dowellconning> Apparently it has been fixed in the aplha version
Nov 06 16:34:33 * |R wonders if the OS2008 supporting headset also support callerID, remote control profiles (and vibrating if it's not the device doing that?)
Nov 06 16:36:16 <dowellconning> Yes it's working now n.n Great.
Nov 06 16:37:03 <dowellconning> I'd love to work on an Apple TV like client for this o.o;
Nov 06 16:37:10 * dowellconning shakes his head
Nov 06 16:37:21 <dowellconning> I need to get up to date on my uni work first XD
Nov 06 16:38:58 <dowellconning> If I could get Flash 9 sound working then this thing would be the best portable device ever X3
Nov 06 16:40:46 <Jaffa> Flash is supposedly much improved in OS 2008
Nov 06 16:43:52 <alterego> Yes, I can't wait :)
Nov 06 16:43:54 <alterego> Not long now though.
Nov 06 16:43:58 <alterego> Just a few more weeks :)
Nov 06 16:44:33 <rothiel> bye
Nov 06 16:44:40 <GeneralAntilles> Leopard and OS2008 in the span of just a few short weeks.
Nov 06 16:44:41 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm
Nov 06 16:45:31 <dowellconning> Are you enjoying Leopard GeneralAntilles? X3
Nov 06 16:45:43 <dowellconning> Or meerly observing?
Nov 06 16:45:46 <GeneralAntilles> It's wunerful.
Nov 06 16:45:53 <dowellconning> Yus X3
Nov 06 16:46:10 <dowellconning> Did you go to a launch / get the T-Shirt or were you sensible and pre-ordrered it?
Nov 06 16:46:26 * Jaffa wonders which is going to be the biggest disappointment: not getting a promotion (I'd be lucky to, but I *am* good ;-)), or OS 2008.
Nov 06 16:46:33 <Jaffa> and/or not getting an N810
Nov 06 16:47:48 <dowellconning> I just got my 770 XD
Nov 06 16:47:49 <GeneralAntilles> Preordered. I'm not that crazy. :P
Nov 06 16:47:55 <dowellconning> Like, last week o_o;
Nov 06 16:48:24 <dowellconning> GeneralAntilles: I went XD I was in the Manchester Arndale Apple Store, there were around 300 people there o_O;
Nov 06 16:48:36 <dowellconning> Only 20 of them infront of me luckily =3
Nov 06 16:49:03 <GeneralAntilles> I did buy the Public Beta, though. ;)
Nov 06 17:23:14 * |R wish there was a setting for power when plugged in and not ...
Nov 06 17:24:10 <Tak> somebody made an applet iirc
Nov 06 17:24:31 <GeneralAntilles> There's a daemon somewhere.
Nov 06 17:28:36 <rafl> may I ask how long your n800s batteries approximately last in online mode while being idle?
Nov 06 17:29:04 <GeneralAntilles> 3-4 days?
Nov 06 17:29:09 <GeneralAntilles> Soft power off
Nov 06 17:29:27 <|R> yeah, i'd say 3 days of idling
Nov 06 17:29:28 <alterego> Shiz
Nov 06 17:29:53 <rafl> hrm. my batteries are quite new and only last for less than a day while being idle
Nov 06 17:30:03 <GeneralAntilles> Is it doing something?
Nov 06 17:30:08 <rafl> but 5-7 days in offline mode
Nov 06 17:30:09 <GeneralAntilles> What sort of connection?
Nov 06 17:30:14 <rafl> just idling with wifi enabled
Nov 06 17:30:45 <rafl> wpa2 eap-tls, if that's what you wanted to know.
Nov 06 17:30:49 <L0cutus> what do you mean with "Soft Power Off" ?
Nov 06 17:31:14 <L0cutus> when the screen goes off ?
Nov 06 17:31:18 <GeneralAntilles> No
Nov 06 17:31:25 <GeneralAntilles> There's a setting for it.
Nov 06 17:31:40 <GeneralAntilles> Change the power-key long-press to basically the same thing as the 770 cover.
Nov 06 17:32:01 <rafl> also note that I needed to reduce the wifi power saving settings to make the device work with my aps.
Nov 06 17:32:13 <L0cutus> when i press the on/off key i have 4 choices
Nov 06 17:32:18 <rafl> now wifi works well but the battery life sucks that way.
Nov 06 17:32:30 <L0cutus> 1) lock touch screen & keys
Nov 06 17:32:38 <L0cutus> 2) Offline mode
Nov 06 17:32:42 <L0cutus> 3) Lock device
Nov 06 17:32:49 <alterego> I have reset too.
Nov 06 17:32:57 <alterego> Didn't bother with the soft off.
Nov 06 17:32:59 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10317
Nov 06 17:33:00 <L0cutus> 4) shutdown
Nov 06 17:33:01 <GeneralAntilles> ups
Nov 06 17:33:06 <GeneralAntilles>  /etc/mce/mce.ini
Nov 06 17:33:11 <GeneralAntilles> Is the config file you want.
Nov 06 17:33:28 <GeneralAntilles> Change the long-press delay to something like 300ms
Nov 06 17:33:48 <GeneralAntilles> Makes it incredibly easy to pocket the device quickly.
Nov 06 17:34:19 <GeneralAntilles> Well, rafl, that would be you're explanation. :\
Nov 06 17:34:19 <GeneralAntilles> *your
Nov 06 17:35:38 <rafl> i guess so
Nov 06 17:36:01 <rafl> still I wonder what a better fix would be so I could have better wifi power management and working wifi.
Nov 06 17:36:10 <GeneralAntilles> A better AP?
Nov 06 17:37:22 <alterego> Beautiful ..
Nov 06 17:41:40 <rafl> GeneralAntilles: the ap is just a linux which worked with every device so far.
Nov 06 17:41:49 <rafl> GeneralAntilles: i'd like to fix this issue on the ap side, but I have no idea how as I really don't know what's actually causing the problem.
Nov 06 17:49:09 <Jaffa> Very interesting: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=91325#post91325
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Nov 06 17:51:42 <Mikho> wtf? join flood?
Nov 06 17:51:50 <GeneralAntilles> netsplit
Nov 06 17:51:50 <Robot101> Mikho: netsplit
Nov 06 17:51:53 <dowellconning> Netsplit
Nov 06 17:52:05 <Robot101> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
Nov 06 17:52:08 <Tak> dowellconning: esd and gstreamer
Nov 06 17:52:34 <Tak> I didn't think os2006 had any libasound?
Nov 06 17:53:03 <dowellconning> My normal approach is useless here XD
Nov 06 17:53:03 <Mikho> wow, 237 nicks on channel
Nov 06 17:53:13 <dowellconning> I have no experiences with these...
Nov 06 17:53:50 <Tak> dowellconning: heh, yeah, that's kind of the reaction I had...
Nov 06 17:55:16 <Robot101> Tak: ah right I think that was new in os2007
Nov 06 17:55:52 <dowellconning> Anyone had an experience with flash not playing sound?
Nov 06 17:56:58 * Tak didn't bother to try flash on 770
Nov 06 17:57:17 <dowellconning> Unfortiently I got my 770 only last week
Nov 06 17:57:44 <dowellconning> The video seems to play perfectly fine in low detail mode (checking it against homestarrunner.com)
Nov 06 17:58:02 <dowellconning> But no audio at all
Nov 06 18:00:20 <|R> headset profile will be supported in 2008 but is handfree going to be supported too? :)
Nov 06 18:00:36 * |R is trying to make sense of the 12654 profiles that exists :P
Nov 06 18:01:28 <|R> http://blog.treonauts.com/2007/07/blueant-v12-lcd.html <- with something like this and an n800 in the backpack, in could be used as a complete phone (well no dialing but for answering :)
Nov 06 18:02:55 <L0cutus> does sealtbelt is useful on n800 ?
Nov 06 18:03:51 <dowellconning> No, it's a memory fix for running IT OS 2007 on the 770
Nov 06 18:03:59 <dowellconning> It has no use on the n800
Nov 06 18:05:07 <L0cutus> ok, thanks
Nov 06 18:05:21 <Tak> hmm, I had the impression that the swappiness adjustments would be useful for high-memory-usage situations on the N800 as well
Nov 06 18:05:42 <L0cutus> what is the max size of swap file on n800 ? 128 ?
Nov 06 18:06:57 <|R> yep
Nov 06 18:09:08 <L0cutus> how to exit from mc into xterm ?!?! ;)
Nov 06 18:09:54 <L0cutus> mmm i thin F10 is hide into non-fullscreen mode...
Nov 06 18:09:58 <L0cutus> think*
Nov 06 18:10:08 <|R> ctr-c ?
Nov 06 18:10:27 <L0cutus> no
Nov 06 18:10:28 <|R> or just type exit ?
Nov 06 18:10:38 <L0cutus> ctrl-c doesn't work :)
Nov 06 18:10:41 <L0cutus> neither exit
Nov 06 18:10:43 <|R> arf
Nov 06 18:10:51 <|R> exit works on my pc but not un n800 hehe 2 sec :P
Nov 06 18:11:04 <|R> try "killall mc"
Nov 06 18:11:04 <|R> haha
Nov 06 18:11:06 <|R> it worked
Nov 06 18:11:25 <L0cutus> lol
Nov 06 18:11:47 <|R> (yeah i know, not very clean :P)
Nov 06 18:13:08 <L0cutus> found !
Nov 06 18:13:33 <L0cutus> if you tap just after the F9 key it work :)
Nov 06 18:13:51 <|R> which kbd ?
Nov 06 18:14:38 <L0cutus> on the bottom of screen
Nov 06 18:15:21 <L0cutus> you see "9PullDn"
Nov 06 18:15:31 <L0cutus> you must tap after it
Nov 06 18:15:36 <L0cutus> on dx
Nov 06 18:16:23 <L0cutus> thanks for the softpoweroff tip GeneralAntilles :)
Nov 06 18:16:50 <|R> which tip?:)
Nov 06 18:16:55 <GeneralAntilles> Sure.
Nov 06 18:17:18 <L0cutus> |R: to softpoweroff the device
Nov 06 18:17:31 <L0cutus> (using the on/off button)
Nov 06 18:17:46 <disq> softpoweroff?
Nov 06 18:17:49 * disq <3 softpoweroff
Nov 06 18:18:31 <disq> where's _monkey? split?
Nov 06 18:18:51 <|R> click power -> Power Off?
Nov 06 18:18:58 <|R> instead of 3 sec ?
Nov 06 18:19:02 <|R> or the reverse?
Nov 06 18:19:33 <L0cutus> you must edit /etc/mce/mce.ini
Nov 06 18:19:43 <GeneralAntilles> Hold down powerkey for the same behavior as the 770 cover.
Nov 06 18:20:16 <L0cutus> you can setup the longpress duration and also its behaviour
Nov 06 18:20:25 <L0cutus> i hev set to 300
Nov 06 18:20:30 <L0cutus> (msec?)
Nov 06 18:20:50 <GeneralAntilles> ms, yeah.
Nov 06 18:21:22 <|R> any idea if it's possible to change the stowaway keyboard timeouts ?
Nov 06 18:21:34 <L0cutus> gconf
Nov 06 18:21:46 <L0cutus> but it still ddddddppppppwwwwww :)
Nov 06 18:21:58 <|R> haha, how come? :)
Nov 06 18:22:22 <L0cutus> bug #2166
Nov 06 18:23:11 <L0cutus> vote,vote,vote ! -> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2166
Nov 06 18:23:12 <L0cutus> :)
Nov 06 19:07:19 <alterego> What do people use to encode video for the 770?
Nov 06 19:15:49 <alterego> Wow, my karma has gone up again.
Nov 06 19:15:54 <alterego> I'm not even doing anything! :D
Nov 06 19:16:56 <||cw> 770encode.sh
Nov 06 19:17:06 <alterego> Yeah, I found an article about it.
Nov 06 19:20:27 <|R> link?:)
Nov 06 19:22:16 <alterego> Actually, it's just a mailing list email.
Nov 06 19:22:22 <alterego> http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.user/2006-05/msg00049.html
Nov 06 19:29:04 <Jaffa> alterego: 770-encode's becoming tablet-encode and has moved to garage: http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/ (along with mediaserv)
Nov 06 19:30:17 <|R> http://internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Multimedia:Converting_videos_to_Nokia_770_format
Nov 06 19:30:25 <keesj> is tablet is a registered trademark?
Nov 06 19:32:10 <alterego> Jaffa, thanks.
Nov 06 19:32:59 <keesj> I would like to know who people here feel about the "repository mess thread"?
Nov 06 19:33:18 <alterego> That's a big thread.
Nov 06 19:33:23 <alterego> That's what I think about it.
Nov 06 19:34:02 <keesj> :) I don't really like that kind of threads. I do care about the result
Nov 06 19:35:13 <keesj> I think the current process is to hard and that the proposed change only will make it harder
Nov 06 19:35:53 <alterego> In what way hard?
Nov 06 19:36:22 <||cw> whats' the proposed change?
Nov 06 19:37:05 <||cw> I'd like ot see the repo's handled like other distro's, with maintainers that access to the main repo
Nov 06 19:37:08 <keesj> in on sentence the last proposal is to create an extra testing repo and create an interface to propote packages
Nov 06 19:37:29 <keesj> promote
Nov 06 19:37:54 <alterego> Ah, for quality of packages.
Nov 06 19:37:59 <||cw> personally, I like ubuntu's approach
Nov 06 19:38:00 <alterego> Seems like a good idea.
Nov 06 19:38:07 <trevarthan> dude, does anyone have a deb containing `patch` for the n800?
Nov 06 19:38:10 <keesj> ||cw: how does that do?
Nov 06 19:38:11 <||cw> main univer multiverse
Nov 06 19:38:19 <alterego> I'd suggest they have trusted members of the community audit packages too.
Nov 06 19:38:50 <keesj> ||cw: and who build the packages?
Nov 06 19:38:51 <||cw> mail has ubuntu approved stable apps, universe has trusted apps that have had some testing, multiverse has whatever seems to compile
Nov 06 19:38:55 <||cw> the maintainers
Nov 06 19:39:06 <||cw> s/mail/main/
Nov 06 19:40:10 <keesj> I understand. so a developer would request help from a maintainer to create the packaging kind of stuff?
Nov 06 19:40:22 <||cw> I'm guessing there are certain tests that have to be passed beofre a packages can be put in universe and main
Nov 06 19:40:39 <keesj> maemo it still a pretty little eco-system
Nov 06 19:40:58 <alterego> Yeah, and it's not ever likely to become that big.
Nov 06 19:40:59 <||cw> in a lot of cases, the maintain just builds the package, the developer might not even know about it
Nov 06 19:41:48 <||cw> and a maintainer often maintains multiple packages, building packages is not hard, but doing right for one OS is important
Nov 06 19:42:15 <alterego> So you think we should have package maintainers seperate from developers?
Nov 06 19:42:36 <alterego> I suppose that has it's benifits in some ways.
Nov 06 19:42:42 <||cw> as roles in the system, sure, but they could be the same person
Nov 06 19:43:22 <alterego> I think having the extras repository opens up some nice possibilities.
Nov 06 19:43:35 <||cw> makes bug tracking easier too, bugs get assigned to the maintainer, then they have to check if it's a packaging issue or if there is an upstream patch
Nov 06 19:43:40 <alterego> Like dynamically organising the garage from .deb meta information.
Nov 06 19:44:24 <||cw> I think this works because I don't think nokia or maemo want to take on building and testing all these apps.  just define standards and the community have some access
Nov 06 19:45:35 <lcdd> the distinction between ubuntu's universe and multiverse is in licensing. only non-free software in the latter
Nov 06 19:46:05 <||cw> as another example, Xandros build everything themselves.  what goes in "main" is fully support by Xandros staff.  but they also have an unsupported repo where all they do is an automated rebuild of debian testing apps and ofter them untested
Nov 06 19:46:30 <keesj> I just want unzip mount and gasp :p
Nov 06 19:47:01 <||cw> lcdd: I thought there was more than just non-free in there
Nov 06 19:47:39 <keesj> Ok. "we" miss something like the "automated rebuild of debian testing apps" for standard libs
Nov 06 19:48:19 <lcdd> ||cw: it might include stuff that depends on non-free components to be fully functional
Nov 06 19:48:50 <keesj> I miss :p
Nov 06 19:49:04 <||cw> keesj: I'm not sure that's someone maemo has the resources to do, since someone has to decide what's standard
Nov 06 19:49:22 <Jaffa> keesj: even without an auto-builder, extras-testing could mean we can push more unpolished mud-built stuff there (and finish the effort on the auto-building side), and then let the community promote the finished stuff to extras proper
Nov 06 19:50:40 <keesj> Jaffa: yes, but that is just adding more and more code/effort. but it is possible
Nov 06 19:51:06 <||cw> anything that uses one repo, even with a few tags, is simpler than the tree of repo's there are now
Nov 06 19:51:20 <keesj> I like the first idea to just create one big upload button , a kind of upload-wiki
Nov 06 19:54:53 <keesj> I guess I am just ready for mamona/oe :p
Nov 06 19:57:46 <trevarthan> http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Patch
Nov 06 19:58:00 <trevarthan> patch for the n800 can be found here: http://www.guardiani.us/index.php/N800_custom_packages#Patch
Nov 06 19:58:03 <trevarthan> patch?
Nov 06 19:58:22 <trevarthan> huh. no monkey
Nov 06 19:58:38 <trevarthan> anyway, there it is if anyone wants it.
Nov 06 20:05:58 <keesj> thanks for the opinions
Nov 06 20:33:39 <p|> re
Nov 06 20:43:56 <p|> someone know if does exist 'md5sum' command ?
Nov 06 20:46:06 <|R> p| : none that i found, it would have to be compiled or extracted from debian archives
Nov 06 20:49:20 <p|> seems it is part of coreutils
Nov 06 21:19:37 <p|> hdparm does exists for maemo ?
Nov 06 21:20:43 <||cw> it doens't have an hdd so why would it need that
Nov 06 21:38:07 <p|> ||cw: to test SD ?
Nov 06 21:38:46 <||cw> only think you could test is the interface speed, and it's not an accurate test anyway
Nov 06 21:44:16 <Atarii> Is it possible to flash the 770 with any mini usb cable?
Nov 06 21:44:34 <suihkulokki> yes
Nov 06 21:45:17 <sp3000> http://maemo.org/ -> downloads -> games = 404
Nov 06 21:45:22 <sp3000> is that tracked
Nov 06 21:45:23 <sp3000> ?
Nov 06 21:45:29 <Atarii> Phew, im away from home and 4got my, but now need to reflash
Nov 06 21:45:34 * sp3000 actually wanted to find $game just now :(
Nov 06 21:46:25 <sp3000> (also, yay for the first time ever I was interested in browsing via tags)
Nov 06 21:49:37 <sp3000> ok, who wrote "Monkey is are eating my hair" (with contraction) into the maemo bugzilla quip db
Nov 06 21:49:58 <unit42> Try http://maemo.org/downloads/product/$OSVER/$game -> like http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/icebreaker/
Nov 06 21:50:19 <sp3000> if I knew the name, sure :)
Nov 06 21:50:33 <timeless> i know who
Nov 06 21:50:35 <unit42> Try browsing http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2006/games
Nov 06 21:50:47 <unit42> Or OS2007 ...
Nov 06 21:50:55 <timeless> sp3000: do you really care?
Nov 06 21:51:31 <sp3000> heh
Nov 06 21:52:27 <sp3000> unit42: ok, so the site linking to http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007/downloads/games/ in the tag cloud ui is broken
Nov 06 21:53:04 <unit42> Yep.
Nov 06 21:53:11 <sp3000> bug#?
Nov 06 21:53:42 <unit42> Didn't check bugzilla yet.
Nov 06 21:54:09 * sp3000 didn't find one during dinnner nor after it
Nov 06 21:54:54 <sp3000> but thanks :)
Nov 06 21:55:21 <unit42> I'll check it. If there's really no one. I will open one.
Nov 06 21:55:40 <sp3000> I have one written so
Nov 06 21:55:49 <unit42> Ah, ok.
Nov 06 21:56:15 <sp3000> but dinner includes wine which affects searches so go ahead with that ;)
Nov 06 21:57:00 <timeless> heh
Nov 06 21:57:54 <p|> i'm a bit confused...
Nov 06 21:58:09 <p|> what are the best SD for n800 ?
Nov 06 21:58:27 <p|> class 4,class 6 , extreme III ecc...
Nov 06 21:58:32 <|R> a yet to be released  32GB sdhc :P~
Nov 06 21:58:36 <p|> not so simple :)
Nov 06 21:58:47 <GeneralAntilles> Just buy whatever fits your budget.
Nov 06 21:59:05 * sp3000 understands pipeR but ppipe...?
Nov 06 21:59:14 <p|> |R: does n800 see 32gb shdc ?!?
Nov 06 21:59:19 <|R> sp3000 haha
Nov 06 21:59:28 <|R> p| : no reasons it shouldn't...
Nov 06 21:59:32 <p|> GeneralAntilles: i need it for the internal slot
Nov 06 21:59:43 <|R> p| : but they're only comming in 2 months
Nov 06 21:59:44 <p|> so best speed
Nov 06 21:59:56 <|R> (I'm being optimistic ;)
Nov 06 22:00:07 <p|> |R: too much expensive for me i think...
Nov 06 22:00:12 <sp3000> unit42: bug 2226 if yoyu find one and want to dup
Nov 06 22:00:15 <sp3000> you even
Nov 06 22:00:38 <|R> http://www.powerenz.com/store/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=28 <- i really want a guerilla setup like this :D
Nov 06 22:00:40 <GeneralAntilles> Just buy yourself the fastest 8gb you can find on newegg.
Nov 06 22:01:33 <||cw> how fast is hte n800 controler?  the 770 rs-mmc is pretty slow
Nov 06 22:02:14 <p|> as i have read on ITT, is better for the battery life, to have relative small SD always inserted
Nov 06 22:02:38 <p|> and the big one , on the external slot when needed
Nov 06 22:02:52 <GeneralAntilles> Not sure what they're thinking with that.
Nov 06 22:02:59 <p|> so i think to buy an ultrafast 2gb for internal slot
Nov 06 22:03:16 <alterego> Who said that?
Nov 06 22:03:16 <GeneralAntilles> Just get yourself a pair of 8GB cards
Nov 06 22:03:22 <alterego> That's nonsense ..
Nov 06 22:03:33 <GeneralAntilles> ITT is full of idiots.
Nov 06 22:03:36 <alterego> Unless they're talking about speed.
Nov 06 22:03:45 <GeneralAntilles> So take anything you hear on there with a huge grain of salt.
Nov 06 22:03:47 <|R> i know that on the iAudio D2 mp3 player, you had 50h of battery, and 25h with the SD used to read mp3...
Nov 06 22:03:57 <|R> but you're not reading them all the time on an n800
Nov 06 22:03:59 <alterego> Fast cards for swap may drain battery life quicker if swap is being used lots ..
Nov 06 22:04:08 <timeless> sp3000 you mentioned lowmem signal stuff, can you find that for me? :)
Nov 06 22:04:13 <sp3000> if you have a massive amount of directory entries I suppose that could use some time with metalayer-crawler, but, that's content not capacity
Nov 06 22:05:25 <p|> ha ok
Nov 06 22:05:44 <p|> so there isn't relationship with size ?
Nov 06 22:06:12 <GeneralAntilles> Not a meaningful one.
Nov 06 22:06:42 <sp3000> I hear various cards use $random amout of power or something but that's all I know, dunno about correlation with size nor whether it's any sort of signifigant
Nov 06 22:06:44 <alterego> Nice.
Nov 06 22:07:28 <p|> ok
Nov 06 22:07:42 * alterego yawns
Nov 06 22:07:54 <sp3000> timeless: well, the mozilla keyword is memory-pressure
Nov 06 22:08:27 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?string=memory-pressure&find=%2Fbrowser%2Fmozilla%2Ftrunk%2Fmicrob-engine%2Fmicrob-engine%2Fdebian%2Fpatches%2F&findi=&filter=&hitlimit=&tree=garage
Nov 06 22:08:28 <sp3000> the arg nothing in mozilla cares about that I noticed
Nov 06 22:08:30 <timeless> no hits
Nov 06 22:11:18 <sp3000> eal
Nov 06 22:11:22 <sp3000> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?find=%2Fbrowser%2F&string=memory-pressure
Nov 06 22:11:38 <sp3000> note the amusing obfuscation of h\0e\0a\0p\0-\0m\0i\0n\0i\0m\0i\0z\0e\0\0
Nov 06 22:12:42 <alterego> Weird.
Nov 06 22:14:18 <Jaffa> UTF-16, perhaps?
Nov 06 22:14:30 <sp3000> sure, but it's /great/ for searches
Nov 06 22:14:36 <timeless> ucs2/uf16, whicever
Nov 06 22:14:40 <timeless> but yeah, what sp3000 said
Nov 06 22:14:45 <timeless> it's murder on searching
Nov 06 22:15:30 <Jaffa> Ah, indeed. Advantage of having a language/compiler which supports UTF-8 in source code (Java, Perl etc.)
Nov 06 22:15:45 <timeless> mxr doesn't compile code
Nov 06 22:15:52 <timeless> which is a good thing, since most of the code it meets won't compile
Nov 06 22:16:13 <timeless> heck, the code in our case tends to be in the form of patches, not even code
Nov 06 22:16:16 <timeless> which makes things even more fun
Nov 06 22:16:18 * timeless curses debian
Nov 06 22:16:41 <sp3000> a stack of patches is also awesome for understanding how a piece of core works
Nov 06 22:16:45 <Jaffa> Indeed, but if the C compiler/libraries/language supported non US-ASCII source files, that string wouldn't be UTF-16/UCS2, and the source would be nice and searchable.
Nov 06 22:16:53 <timeless> sp3000: no kidding
Nov 06 22:17:01 <timeless> what's more fun is having a set of decks of patches
Nov 06 22:17:08 <timeless> and no idea which cards are actuallly in play
Nov 06 22:17:25 <sp3000> s/core/code/
Nov 06 22:17:25 <infobot> sp3000 meant: a stack of patches is also awesome for understanding how a piece of code works
Nov 06 22:17:47 <timeless> jaffa: um, i don't see how that follows
Nov 06 22:18:06 <timeless> it'd be just as painful for mxr as it is today
Nov 06 22:18:12 <timeless> it'd just have null bytes all over
Nov 06 22:18:19 <sp3000> timeless: hmm, we have indexed patches which are not applied?
Nov 06 22:18:36 <sp3000> of coures, that's a silly question, aa one patch can revert parts of another
Nov 06 22:18:37 <timeless> sp3000: for svn repos i can't possibly know how to apply patches
Nov 06 22:18:48 <timeless> and i don't even bother
Nov 06 22:19:05 <timeless> for the sardine style things, um, "i hink i ry, but i almost certainly fails miserably for browser"
Nov 06 22:19:21 <sp3000> +t+t
Nov 06 22:19:39 <Jaffa> timeless: I'm not explaining myself well (which, TBH, I can't be arsed to do cos I'm about to go to bed); but my point is along the lines of: this is attempting to do modern, multi-byte strings with C/glib. Neither of which are particularly well designed for it. A language which separates bytes and strings (such as Java or Perl) doesn't have these problems when searching, as the tooling is UTF-8 from one end to the other (including mxr equivalents)
Nov 06 22:19:58 <sp3000> have you checked for breadcrumbs? :) those weremurder for my last keyboard over tme ;)
Nov 06 22:22:32 <timeless> in mozilla, we have macros that protect the source from being unreadable
Nov 06 22:22:38 <timeless> and still alolow multibyte encodings
Nov 06 22:22:52 <sp3000> the question is, are they stealable?
Nov 06 22:22:56 <timeless> yes, this is basically a glib bug
Nov 06 22:22:59 <timeless> dunno
Nov 06 22:23:08 <timeless> i'm trying to find our pkcs gateway
Nov 06 22:23:15 <alterego> Anyone know why my windows aren't grouped in the task navigator?
Nov 06 22:23:45 * alterego wonders if it's because he's not registered with OSSO.
Nov 06 22:24:03 <timeless> there's a bug that has a standard suggestion for why
Nov 06 22:24:10 * timeless can't remember  which bug tracker it's in
Nov 06 22:24:16 <timeless> iirc eero filed it
Nov 06 22:25:30 <sp3000> there's nothing on 'group' in summary on b.maemo.o, so, meh
Nov 06 22:25:46 <alterego> :/
Nov 06 22:25:48 <alterego> Oh well.
Nov 06 22:25:51 * alterego showers.
Nov 06 22:25:53 <timeless> i think eero tried to get me to file it
Nov 06 22:26:54 <sp3000> timeless: xfer mgr! bug 1995
Nov 06 22:27:09 * sp3000 only looked at that b/c of the typo
Nov 06 22:27:40 <timeless> that's a browser bug
Nov 06 22:28:02 <sp3000> or that
Nov 06 22:28:54 * timeless grumbles
Nov 06 22:29:01 <timeless> i know there's some code /somewhere/ to read from cs
Nov 06 22:29:02 <timeless> where is it?
Nov 06 22:29:13 <sp3000> counterstrike?
Nov 06 22:29:30 <timeless> curssed storage trash
Nov 06 22:30:16 * sp3000 doesn't see anything interesting in 'window' for grouping so I guess it's not in this bugzill
Nov 06 22:30:19 <sp3000> a
Nov 06 22:31:44 <timeless>  Unable to switch to Home or another application from a fullscreen application which has not set its WM_CLASS correctly
Nov 06 22:32:36 <sp3000> sounds painful
Nov 06 22:32:44 <timeless> > Yes, it's a "bug" in the application, but only Gtk applications
Nov 06 22:32:44 <timeless> > add WM_CLASS automatically AND it's not documented anywhere
Nov 06 22:32:44 <timeless> > (in Maemo) that WM_CLASS is needed.  If you require something
Nov 06 22:32:48 <timeless> > from applications, at least you should document that requirement.
Nov 06 22:34:25 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/src/gmozillaweb.c
Nov 06 22:34:34 <timeless> that's the evil cst file
Nov 06 22:35:18 <timeless> #1560
Nov 06 22:35:42 * timeless grumbles
Nov 06 22:35:44 <sp3000> also, I didn't figure out how to smuggle -DFORCE_PR_LOG into a debian build that unpacks a tarball and molests it, not quite today anyway :\
Nov 06 22:35:51 <timeless> garage's xref can't get as many identifiers
Nov 06 22:36:29 <sp3000> maybe micromanaging the deb build steps will help me
Nov 06 22:36:47 <p|> what's the difference between an SD class 6 and a Sandisk Extreme III ? (apart from price ;))
Nov 06 22:37:06 <timeless> if you find a way to get a patched source world via micromanageing debs, let me know
Nov 06 22:37:39 <GeneralAntilles> SanDisk is way ovepriced, p|.
Nov 06 22:38:07 <p|> hum
Nov 06 22:38:42 <sp3000> timeless: hmm, am I blind or is there no functional difference between lines 1572 and 1574
Nov 06 22:38:43 <p|> 16gb patriot class6 ? gh (176$!!!)
Nov 06 22:39:20 <timeless> heh
Nov 06 22:40:59 <GeneralAntilles> Where are you shopping, p|?
Nov 06 22:41:06 <GeneralAntilles> Nemegg has it for $139
Nov 06 22:41:08 <p|> ebay :)
Nov 06 22:41:13 <timeless> expains this
Nov 06 22:41:13 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?find=%2Fbrowser%2Fmozilla%2Ftrunk%2Fmicrob-engine%2Fmicrob-engine%2Fdebian%2Fpatches%2F&string=EmbedCertificates.cpp
Nov 06 22:41:22 <timeless> that's clearly patching a file, right?
Nov 06 22:41:30 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/find?string=EmbedCertificates.cpp
Nov 06 22:41:34 <timeless> why can't i find that file?
Nov 06 22:41:49 <ds3> where can I find the kernel .config's for the shipped kernel on OS2006? found the sources here http://hsivonen.iki.fi/maemo-src/
Nov 06 22:41:53 <timeless> pj fscl
Nov 06 22:41:58 <timeless> curses
Nov 06 22:42:26 <sp3000> ds3: I think it says at the top of that page?
Nov 06 22:42:58 <ds3> sp3000: it just says source
Nov 06 22:43:12 <sp3000> oh, .config
Nov 06 22:43:14 <ds3> I want the config so I can compile modules
Nov 06 22:43:20 <ds3> want iso9660 support ;)
Nov 06 22:44:17 <sp3000> o_O
Nov 06 22:44:37 <ds3> got the host mode working and a USB CDROM around so...
Nov 06 22:44:43 <Jaffa> oooh
Nov 06 22:44:58 <ds3> if I can get the .config, I can add a iso9660 module
Nov 06 22:45:06 <Jaffa> ds3: look at fanoush's website? He's recompiled the kernel and compiled modules; bound to have the .config there somewhere
Nov 06 22:45:08 <sp3000> heh
Nov 06 22:45:20 <sp3000> try a list I guess
Nov 06 22:45:48 <timeless> so3000: dates back to 15 ...
Nov 06 22:47:15 <ds3> hmmm looks like n770_def is suppose to work; guess I'll try that and see if insmod is happy
Nov 06 22:48:51 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/microb-engine/debian/patches/175_MICROB_bad_cert_at_once_lp0.diff
Nov 06 22:48:55 <timeless> that one's fun
Nov 06 22:49:33 * timeless curses
Nov 06 22:49:38 <timeless> gah
Nov 06 22:51:11 * sp3000 is amused by the whitespace fix in chunk#1
Nov 06 22:51:44 <ds3> is it just me or does microb take up considerably more memory then the stock opera engine?
Nov 06 22:51:55 <sp3000> sounds likely
Nov 06 22:52:09 <sp3000> but it's also several times more awesome!
Nov 06 22:52:43 <ds3> it is nice that google maps works but it really sucks to have things all crash when I open up too many apps (this is on a 770 so memory is tight to start with)
Nov 06 22:54:16 <sp3000> swap?
Nov 06 22:55:28 <ds3> swap to what?
Nov 06 22:55:37 <doublec> create a swap file?
Nov 06 22:55:51 <ds3> i rather not wear out the rs-mmc
Nov 06 22:57:31 * sp3000 wonders if anyone sells those anymore :\
Nov 06 22:57:52 <ds3> =)
Nov 06 23:15:05 <alterego> Has anyone actually worn out a memory card here?
Nov 06 23:15:31 <alterego> I've had some inexplicably stop working.
Nov 06 23:27:04 <p|> 'night to all
Nov 06 23:29:29 <ds3> I've destoryed some old SM cards but that's pretty much raw nand
Nov 06 23:32:10 <|R> anyone know if there is a public bomberman server? :P
Nov 07 00:06:47 <zerojay> alterego: Got an e-mail address I can reach you at?
Nov 07 00:07:25 <alterego> t-swindell at msn.com
Nov 07 00:08:02 <zerojay> k, I'll send you an e-mail sometime tomorrow outlining the setup wizard app we talked about a few days ago, if you're still interested.
Nov 07 00:08:21 <alterego> Sure
Nov 07 00:09:22 <zerojay> I'm working on the video center stuff right now.
Nov 07 00:10:09 <alterego> Nice.
Nov 07 00:10:24 <alterego> I'm just rewriting the GUI for my Task/Todo list application.
Nov 07 00:10:28 <alterego> Then I'll release it tomorrow.
Nov 07 00:10:38 <zerojay> Cool.
Nov 07 00:11:00 <alterego> Yeah, I'm pretty proud of it. And it is a good example of how to create ruby programs for maemo :)
Nov 07 00:11:45 <zerojay> http://www.jablet.net/videocenter/test.php - Looking to set up something where users can contribute links, tested by admins to see if they work on the tablets before added... RSS feed can tell people that new shows were added to the database which they can add to video center directly from the RSS reader. :)
Nov 07 00:12:25 <zerojay> Oh.. er.. top link won't work.. alternate audio feed should.
Nov 07 00:12:31 <zerojay> Missed something. ;)
Nov 07 00:13:14 <alterego> Nice.
Nov 07 00:13:57 <zerojay> There, fixed.
Nov 07 00:14:12 <zerojay> Clicking on the links on the tablet launches video center directly.
Nov 07 00:14:55 <alterego> Nice
Nov 07 00:24:50 <sciboy> Wow my app manager is broken
Nov 07 00:26:43 <alterego> How badly?
Nov 07 00:28:18 <sciboy> I'm stuck using dpkg and apt-get because it doesn't like something i have installed.
Nov 07 00:28:51 <sciboy> Can't install anything new through it
Nov 07 00:41:31 <|R> sciboy : are you sure it's just not a question of repository settings?
Nov 07 00:41:46 <|R> if one of them(like my tableteer) doesn't work with it's gpg key, it may stop i think
Nov 07 00:41:55 <|R> Or some other reasons... haven't really invastigated
Nov 07 00:43:21 <sciboy> the key issues never prevented it before.
Nov 07 00:44:28 <GeneralAntilles> What's the log/error?
Nov 07 00:45:56 <sciboy> Can't be bothered right now, i'm just ignoring it
Nov 07 00:46:08 <GeneralAntilles> Then why bring it up? :P
Nov 07 00:47:12 <GeneralAntilles> Why is it that ITT is filled with loonies?
Nov 07 00:47:18 <sciboy> Because i can.
Nov 07 00:49:08 <GeneralAntilles> Ha. New rule, if you don't want help, please make a note of it: <GeneralAntilles> My x wont work. (I don't want help)
Nov 07 00:49:09 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Nov 07 00:51:08 * sciboy counts the seconds waiting for 2008
Nov 07 00:54:26 <|R> hehe
Nov 07 00:54:50 <|R> GeneralAntilles : what kind of loonies? :)
Nov 07 00:55:07 <GeneralAntilles> All sorts
Nov 07 00:55:12 <GeneralAntilles> and they're dragging my down with them.
Nov 07 00:56:07 <GeneralAntilles> See, I can't even type right.
Nov 07 00:56:08 <GeneralAntilles> *me
Nov 07 01:00:34 * sciboy switches to Jabber exclusively.
Nov 07 01:00:52 <sciboy> It's still called jabber right?
Nov 07 01:01:19 <|R> uh yes :)
Nov 07 01:05:19 * sciboy hugs blender.
Nov 07 01:06:11 * zerojay hugs Jabber.
Nov 07 01:06:32 * GeneralAntilles pokes the technophiles with a sharpened stick.
Nov 07 01:08:40 * sciboy dies after being speared.
Nov 07 01:09:46 <|R> GeneralAntilles screams: Thiiiisss isssssss #### MAEEMOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Nov 07 01:09:53 * |R ducks and covers
Nov 07 01:09:53 <|R> hehe
Nov 07 01:10:10 * GeneralAntilles kicks |R into the well.
Nov 07 01:10:20 <sciboy> If we could get blenders game engine on maemo I could do a whole bunch of awesome
Nov 07 01:11:41 <|R> hehe a vertical space shooter would be cool, with crazy options and massive weapons ;)
Nov 07 01:12:06 <GeneralAntilles> and a time machine!
Nov 07 01:12:27 <|R> the game where you shoot cats?
Nov 07 01:12:42 <|R> oh no wait, that's the incredible machine ;)
Nov 07 01:13:07 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, I really want the N800 to be a Rube Goldberg machine.
Nov 07 01:15:54 <deejoe> please stay away from my n800, GeneralAntilles.  thank you.
Nov 07 01:17:30 <sciboy> Needs more jigawatts.
Nov 07 01:18:16 <sciboy> GeneralAntilles, They did alot of that stuff in the bullet physics competition using blender.
Nov 07 01:25:01 <Lateralus> 1.21
Nov 07 01:27:34 <sciboy> Woo chinook.
Nov 07 01:38:04 <javamaniac> is chinook available for n800 right now?
Nov 07 01:45:30 * timeless cries
Nov 07 01:45:35 <timeless> could someone help me?
Nov 07 01:45:43 <timeless> apt-cache is being annoying
Nov 07 01:46:30 <TPC> timeless, you you be more specific?
Nov 07 01:46:59 <sciboy> I require podcast entertainment.
Nov 07 01:47:05 <timeless> timeless@nexenta:~$ apt-cache -c /home/timeless/apt-sb-e.conf search .
Nov 07 01:47:05 <timeless> Segmentation Fault (core dumped)
Nov 07 01:47:36 <TPC> hm.. thats not good
Nov 07 01:51:20 <timeless> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/237465
Nov 07 01:53:00 <lcdd> timeless: http://bugs.debian.org/81829 perhaps?
Nov 07 02:11:45 <fletc900> Hello
Nov 07 02:12:07 <fletc900> Any Python programmers around?
Nov 07 02:13:21 <fletc900> Anyone?
Nov 07 02:13:57 <GeneralAntilles> #python?
Nov 07 02:14:32 <fletc900> yes
Nov 07 02:15:18 <Mikho> probably some people around who know python
Nov 07 02:16:31 <fletc900> I am wondering what kind of scientific Python libraries have been ported to Maemo (matplolib, numpyt, etc)....anyone have a clue?
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