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Nov 09 03:00:57 <ol_schoola> now what would i want a mediaserv app for with a myth backend?
Nov 09 03:01:07 <lord_moonraker> Greetings and Salutations
Nov 09 03:01:09 <GeneralAntilles> Fair enough
Nov 09 03:01:15 <GeneralAntilles> Get FBReader yet?
Nov 09 03:01:18 <GeneralAntilles> Or maemo mapper
Nov 09 03:01:19 <_Monkey> hmmm... maemo mapper is geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/
Nov 09 03:01:29 <GeneralAntilles> Carman, if you have an OBD-ii reader
Nov 09 03:01:42 <ol_schoola> trying to get maps from winmapper to work
Nov 09 03:01:56 <GeneralAntilles> They wont
Nov 09 03:01:57 <ol_schoola> FBreader rocks
Nov 09 03:02:07 <GeneralAntilles> 2.0 changed to databases
Nov 09 03:02:16 <GeneralAntilles> the old directory system no longer works
Nov 09 03:02:52 <ol_schoola> well, in my defense, i've had it for less than a week. trying to cull through the fora and list archives is .... tasking
Nov 09 03:03:13 <GeneralAntilles> ;)
Nov 09 03:03:17 <ol_schoola> but i wish i knew that yesterday afternoon before i invested that time
Nov 09 03:03:50 <ol_schoola> any other method of getting map data in there without autoloading?
Nov 09 03:04:04 <GeneralAntilles> manage maps
Nov 09 03:04:08 <GeneralAntilles> in the menu
Nov 09 03:04:15 <GeneralAntilles> select the region and zoom levels
Nov 09 03:04:25 <ol_schoola> k
Nov 09 03:05:11 <ol_schoola> what does that get me?
Nov 09 03:05:43 <ol_schoola> oh, does that bound a rect around the area i want maps for and never dl's from outside it?
Nov 09 03:05:54 <GeneralAntilles> chached maps
Nov 09 03:06:10 <GeneralAntilles> It'll still autodownload maps from everywhere
Nov 09 03:06:18 <GeneralAntilles> that just caches the area.
Nov 09 03:06:20 <ol_schoola> right, but how do i get the greater metro Chicago area in there very quickly
Nov 09 03:06:31 <ol_schoola> oh, i see
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Nov 09 03:08:50 <ol_schoola> oh, i see
Nov 09 03:08:50 <ol_schoola> i think i'll just go rtfm ;)
Nov 09 03:08:50 <ol_schoola> i really am in the candy store     8-)
Nov 09 03:09:30 <ol_schoola> i think i'll need the ac adapter
Nov 09 03:09:44 <GeneralAntilles> Just keep it plugged in while your at home
Nov 09 03:09:54 <GeneralAntilles> you're*
Nov 09 03:11:02 <lord_moonraker> does anybody know why an app gets killed after 15 seconds when launched from menu? the app works fine when launched from command line.. its a pygtk app
Nov 09 03:11:50 <GeneralAntilles> Your .desktop is messed up?
Nov 09 03:13:02 <lord_moonraker> oh, ok, i thought it may be the .service file
Nov 09 03:13:22 <GeneralAntilles> Or, it could be that
Nov 09 03:13:25 <GeneralAntilles> I really don't know
Nov 09 03:13:43 <lord_moonraker> ok thanks, maybe its just my n800
Nov 09 03:18:17 <lord_moonraker> hey thanks!!, i found the problem, this line was causing the problem, X-Osso-Service=org.maemo.garage.pyaxelwii
Nov 09 03:20:04 <lord_moonraker> in the .desktop file
Nov 09 03:20:58 <lord_moonraker> GeneralAntilles:thanks again, i've been trying to find an answer for the past two days! now i can release my v0.9.3:)
Nov 09 03:21:35 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 09 03:21:36 <GeneralAntilles> Sure thing.
Nov 09 03:25:32 <ol_schoola> GeneralAntilles:  thx for that, downloading fine now
Nov 09 03:25:42 <GeneralAntilles> Sure
Nov 09 03:25:55 <ol_schoola> one more if you have a mo'
Nov 09 03:26:13 <ol_schoola> can you copy the cache file to mmc2 and redirect mapper to it?
Nov 09 03:26:36 <GeneralAntilles> You just have to change the location of the map databases
Nov 09 03:26:39 <GeneralAntilles> in the repositories setup
Nov 09 03:26:51 <ol_schoola> it will move them? neat
Nov 09 03:27:11 <ol_schoola> thx a bunch. i gotta knock off, 'twas a long day
Nov 09 04:01:23 <Luria> anyone else not so enthralled about the 810?
Nov 09 04:01:44 <Luria> other than making 800s really cheap?
Nov 09 04:02:12 <l7> i have mixed feelings about the 810
Nov 09 04:02:26 <Luria> and that there should be more than one more firmware release for the 800
Nov 09 04:02:34 <Luria> what do you like about it?
Nov 09 04:02:40 <l7> more than one firmware?
Nov 09 04:03:13 <Luria> a while ago someone guaranteed at least two releases for the n800
Nov 09 04:03:20 <l7> well i won't really know if i want the 810 until i can hold in my hands
Nov 09 04:03:21 <Luria> chinook + one more
Nov 09 04:03:50 <l7> would the other one maintain compatibility with older apps?
Nov 09 04:03:58 <Luria> yeah
Nov 09 04:04:15 <l7> i want a travelling companion, and the n810 seems like a good choice
Nov 09 04:04:20 <Luria> chinook is supposedly switching to real package managment
Nov 09 04:04:25 <l7> but i'm not sure if the GPS will be up to snuff
Nov 09 04:04:40 <Luria> no more reflashing and losing everything
Nov 09 04:04:49 <l7> if the GPS is medicore, i would just buy the n800 and a seperate GPS, but that would be more junk to carry around
Nov 09 04:04:57 <Luria> i do that
Nov 09 04:05:05 <l7> which GPS do you have?
Nov 09 04:05:09 <Luria> do you know what the chipset is?
Nov 09 04:05:10 <_Monkey> somebody said the chipset was better than SiRF III
Nov 09 04:05:18 <Luria> i blue 757 pro
Nov 09 04:05:36 <l7> i don't suppose there's any way to link it to the n800 via bluetooth?
Nov 09 04:05:44 <Luria> i do it all the time
Nov 09 04:05:48 <l7> oh nice
Nov 09 04:06:00 <Luria> its a bluetooth solar receiver
Nov 09 04:06:42 <Luria> and logger
Nov 09 04:06:55 <l7> wow
Nov 09 04:06:59 <Luria> also supports 5hz sampling
Nov 09 04:07:05 <l7> the price is pretty low too
Nov 09 04:07:24 <ol_schoola>     which chipset does the iBlue have?
Nov 09 04:07:30 <Luria> startup aquisition is low, but once it locks, accuracy is fantastic
Nov 09 04:07:37 <l7> what sort of GPS software do you run on your n800?
Nov 09 04:07:44 <Luria> and i live in one of the worst cities for gps
Nov 09 04:07:46 <l7> hmm
Nov 09 04:07:55 <l7> do you drive or walk with it?
Nov 09 04:07:57 <lord_moonraker> iblue 737 has mtk3138
Nov 09 04:08:00 <Luria> both
Nov 09 04:08:09 <lord_moonraker> i got a holux m1000 with th mtk chipset
Nov 09 04:08:10 <l7> how do you walk around with it?
Nov 09 04:08:15 <ol_schoola> really. how does that compare to Sirf3
Nov 09 04:08:18 <ol_schoola> ?
Nov 09 04:08:29 <l7> doesn't the iblue need LOS to the sky?
Nov 09 04:08:47 <lord_moonraker> well mtk chipset version is cheaper
Nov 09 04:08:47 <Luria> equal/slightly better in sensitivity
Nov 09 04:08:57 <Luria> i keep it in a bag
Nov 09 04:09:30 <Luria> http://www.semsons.com/i757prosobtd.html
Nov 09 04:09:36 <Luria> like a knapsack
Nov 09 04:09:44 <l7> hmm, i guess it depends on how good the n810's GPS software is
Nov 09 04:09:57 <l7> i don't like having to pay extra for the premium GPS features though
Nov 09 04:10:02 <Luria> i use an n800+BT keyboard+iblue
Nov 09 04:10:04 <l7> or the miniSD slot
Nov 09 04:10:16 <l7> yeah, i might want to try that setup
Nov 09 04:10:19 <Luria> in fact, im on maemo xchat right now in a cafe
Nov 09 04:10:21 <l7> do you travel with it much?
Nov 09 04:10:30 <Luria> some.
Nov 09 04:10:44 <Luria> im looking forward to the new mapping though
Nov 09 04:10:45 <l7> it seems like a lot to travel with though, since i want to travel as light as possible
Nov 09 04:11:08 <Luria> maybe, but i really rely on the kybd for rdesktop
Nov 09 04:11:19 <Luria> and i suspect the slide out wont cut it
Nov 09 04:11:41 <l7> yeah i have been wondering about that too
Nov 09 04:12:02 <Luria> a few months back, i took my laptop and my n800 and kybd to miami from nyc
Nov 09 04:12:04 <l7> the slide out might be adequate for casual web browsing or looking up directions
Nov 09 04:12:13 <l7> but it seems too small for serious chat or email
Nov 09 04:12:21 <Luria> the on screen keyboard is fine for that
Nov 09 04:12:50 <Luria> email/texting and microblogging i expect will be better
Nov 09 04:12:59 <l7> huh?
Nov 09 04:13:08 <Luria> i like the slimmer case
Nov 09 04:13:23 <Luria> email with the large screen kybd blows
Nov 09 04:13:39 <l7> hmm yeah
Nov 09 04:13:40 <Luria> and the small onscreen is useless
Nov 09 04:13:50 <Luria> same for im
Nov 09 04:14:01 <l7> can you run google maps on your n800?
Nov 09 04:14:12 <Luria> maemo mapper
Nov 09 04:14:12 <_Monkey> maemo mapper is, like, geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/
Nov 09 04:14:12 <l7> i tried it in the store and it seemed insanely slow
Nov 09 04:14:25 <l7> but maybe the store just had crappy wifi
Nov 09 04:14:30 <astro76> it works well with the microb browser
Nov 09 04:14:33 <astro76> mozilla based
Nov 09 04:14:36 <Luria> yeah
Nov 09 04:14:43 <astro76> even the street view
Nov 09 04:14:47 <Luria> forgot about opera :-)p
Nov 09 04:14:51 <astro76> maemo mapper is still easier though
Nov 09 04:15:01 <l7> hrm
Nov 09 04:15:19 <Luria> i wonder if maemo mapper will be still be useful with the new maps
Nov 09 04:15:43 <l7> it's too bad the slide out keyboard also hides all the buttons
Nov 09 04:15:44 <astro76> well, I doubt the new maps will access google or microsoft data
Nov 09 04:15:46 <Luria> i mean, whether there will be much of a point with the new firmware
Nov 09 04:15:53 <l7> otherwise the n810 would be a better ipod replacement
Nov 09 04:15:55 <Luria> yeah, wtf
Nov 09 04:15:56 <_Monkey> yeah, are there english - chinese dicts anywhere? or can whitestork now use edict files.
Nov 09 04:16:12 <Luria> also, no camera
Nov 09 04:16:24 <l7> kickstand placement doesn't seem to work well with the slide out on the n810 either
Nov 09 04:16:25 <Luria> as in, using the n810 as a camera
Nov 09 04:16:28 <GeneralAntilles> Of course it will, does the new OS2008 Maps app have satellite view? No.
Nov 09 04:16:56 <Luria> satelitte view is of limited utility on an IT
Nov 09 04:17:00 <GeneralAntilles> Bullshit
Nov 09 04:17:08 <astro76> I'd imagine the new Maps app will mostly be useful for paying for the service
Nov 09 04:17:09 <l7> hrm do any maemo maps have satelitte view?
Nov 09 04:17:16 <GeneralAntilles> Ever been canoeing or boating with maemo mapper?
Nov 09 04:17:18 <astro76> l7, google and virtual earth
Nov 09 04:17:19 <GeneralAntilles> At night?
Nov 09 04:17:31 <GeneralAntilles> Beautiful for finding shoals and underwater hazards
Nov 09 04:17:45 <Luria> maemo mapper can be set up with a bunch of map repos
Nov 09 04:17:51 <l7> astro76: does virtual earth have street level view?
Nov 09 04:17:53 <Luria> VE, Google, Openmap
Nov 09 04:18:04 <astro76> l7, I believe that is activeX
Nov 09 04:18:25 <l7> i have to say the iphone's google map widget is impressive
Nov 09 04:18:32 <l7> even if it lacks hybrid
Nov 09 04:18:53 <GeneralAntilles> maemo mapper is better
Nov 09 04:18:53 <Luria> only thing about ve that i like is the fact that it has israel, which google seems to have erased.
Nov 09 04:18:55 <GeneralAntilles> GPS
Nov 09 04:19:27 <Luria> no streets, but at least major highways
Nov 09 04:20:13 <GeneralAntilles> N800 with GPS and google satellite is the perfect hiking companion
Nov 09 04:20:51 <l7> GeneralAntilles: how so?
Nov 09 04:20:58 <l7> i like to go hiking whenever possible
Nov 09 04:21:33 <GeneralAntilles> You get aerial photography of your current location. Along with a track of where you've been.
Nov 09 04:22:41 <l7> ah gps logging
Nov 09 04:22:49 <penguinbait> I prefer my garmin handheld, but perhaps the 810
Nov 09 04:23:13 <l7> well i guess with the garmin, you only need to bring one gadget on your hiking trip
Nov 09 04:23:16 <GeneralAntilles> Garmin ain't got no aerial photography. ;)
Nov 09 04:23:22 <l7> hmm
Nov 09 04:23:27 <GeneralAntilles> The bluetooth GPS is nothing
Nov 09 04:23:34 <GeneralAntilles> Just stuff it in a pocket and forget about it.
Nov 09 04:23:36 <l7> don't some GPS units have a hiking mode?
Nov 09 04:23:45 <astro76> l7, some are smaller than a cigarette lighter like the m1200 http://www.semsons.com/homblgpsrewi.html
Nov 09 04:23:52 <astro76> they're all tiny
Nov 09 04:24:11 <Luria> garmins are ipx7 which is handy
Nov 09 04:24:37 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.semsons.com/i757prosobtd.html
Nov 09 04:24:40 <l7> astro76: ah neat
Nov 09 04:24:42 <GeneralAntilles> That's the one you want for outdoors
Nov 09 04:24:46 <penguinbait> they definetly handle abuse much better
Nov 09 04:24:54 <l7> how do you manage charging for all the various gadgets?
Nov 09 04:25:07 <l7> a one size fits all charger would be ideal
Nov 09 04:25:19 <GeneralAntilles> iGo with a bunch of tips
Nov 09 04:25:25 <penguinbait> solar backpack
Nov 09 04:25:57 <GeneralAntilles> Bought an OtterBox for my N800
Nov 09 04:25:58 <Luria> or rollout panel
Nov 09 04:26:36 <penguinbait> http://www.voltaicsystems.com/bag_backpack.shtml
Nov 09 04:26:44 <l7> hmm i guess the slide out keyboard is the only real advantage of the n810 then
Nov 09 04:26:50 <GeneralAntilles> $250. >_>
Nov 09 04:26:58 <l7> if you can get a small gps reciever under $100
Nov 09 04:27:03 <GeneralAntilles> transflective screen
Nov 09 04:27:07 <GeneralAntilles> which is nice for outdoors
Nov 09 04:27:10 <ds3> GaneralAntilles: have you tested out the box with the 800 in there? (run it over, submerge it, etc)?
Nov 09 04:27:28 <GeneralAntilles> Run it over . . .
Nov 09 04:27:29 <GeneralAntilles> No.
Nov 09 04:27:31 <l7> plus i'm not too enthused about the idea of picking up a n810 before all the third party apps have caught up
Nov 09 04:27:38 <GeneralAntilles> submerging was fine.
Nov 09 04:27:47 <|R> http://www.powerenz.com/store/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=28
Nov 09 04:27:51 <l7> is the a good gameboy / GBA emulator for the n800?
Nov 09 04:27:52 <|R> if you want a full energy kit :)
Nov 09 04:28:04 <GeneralAntilles> $550
Nov 09 04:28:11 <GeneralAntilles> You folks have way too much cash on hand.
Nov 09 04:28:18 <|R> yeah but i'm guessing you can pick and match for a lot less
Nov 09 04:28:19 <penguinbait> last I tried it crawled, GBA EMU that is
Nov 09 04:28:25 <|R> haha :)
Nov 09 04:28:51 <penguinbait> GBA is like 50$ get a SD cart for another 50
Nov 09 04:28:59 <|R> just the battery would be a better idea than a solar anything for a start..
Nov 09 04:29:04 <penguinbait> used anyway
Nov 09 04:29:06 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, it's the 3600 PDA case, which isn't really run-overable
Nov 09 04:29:22 <l7> penguinbait: it's more about gadget reduction :)
Nov 09 04:29:45 <|R> there is no real solar back pack that seems to be worth it as of now
Nov 09 04:29:47 <l7> i guess a gameboy emulator might be enough
Nov 09 04:29:49 <ds3> GeneralAntilles: oh.. thought all those cases are rated for running over with a truck
Nov 09 04:29:52 <|R> they all look like crappy chinese gadgets
Nov 09 04:30:01 <penguinbait> I hear ya, but they are so cheap and small, and work so well
Nov 09 04:30:18 <GeneralAntilles> Probably you could, but as the touchscreen isn't behind hard plastic . . . I'm not interested in trying.
Nov 09 04:30:26 <penguinbait> my kids all have DS with SD carts
Nov 09 04:30:31 <GeneralAntilles> My N800 is never going to be in a situation where it's going to be at risk of being run over
Nov 09 04:30:34 <GeneralAntilles> so I'm not worried about it.
Nov 09 04:31:12 <|R> Anyone field tested OLSRd (Mesh Network) with the n800 or others?
Nov 09 04:31:34 <ds3> |R: cheaper version - http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SC1000&cat=CON + the right nokia cable all for sub $20
Nov 09 04:31:54 <|R> ds3 : hehe ;)
Nov 09 04:32:12 <|R> ds3 : but i don't plan on only running the n800, i want a complete output setup :)
Nov 09 04:32:18 <ds3> |R: I got it but it has been getting too foggy to try it out with the 770 I have
Nov 09 04:32:24 <ds3> |R: that has multiple tips
Nov 09 04:32:24 <|R> Trying to be completely off-grid, communication wise.. :)
Nov 09 04:32:56 <|R> (a dream project for some reason, i really want the mesh architecture to be the one we use daily ;)
Nov 09 04:32:59 <ds3> |R: what else are you wanting to run on it? Been thinking of doing that
Nov 09 04:33:08 <|R> http://guerillartivism.net/node/24
Nov 09 04:33:15 <|R> i've been gathering crazy ideas on this page
Nov 09 04:33:50 <|R> I'd like to have all mesh device send sensors data on a social p2p network of friends (over secure protocols like I2P) etc..
Nov 09 04:34:08 <ds3> ah, much more ambitious
Nov 09 04:34:13 <|R> (yeah, i said it's a crazy dream now, but i've seen so many parts of this puzzle pop up this year that i'm thinking we're not far off ;)
Nov 09 04:34:28 <ds3> I was just thinking of a micro datacenter running in the middle of nowhere and being able to be setup in minutes
Nov 09 04:34:36 <|R> I don't plan on reinventing the wheel, so i've been looking around for software and hardware that could be plugged together
Nov 09 04:34:37 <l7> ds3: wow that charger looks like a nice deal for $14
Nov 09 04:34:47 <|R> ds3 : that would rock :)
Nov 09 04:34:48 <l7> if you could mount it on a backpack, even better...
Nov 09 04:34:57 <|R> let's do that at burning man and crack rc5 haha ;)
Nov 09 04:35:03 <ds3> l7: so far there has been one drawback... the 5V output is really about 6V unloaded
Nov 09 04:35:22 <ds3> |R: heh... I donno about during burning man but I was thinking of the blackrock desert at some other time
Nov 09 04:35:31 <l7> ds3: hmm, could that damage your hardware?
Nov 09 04:35:42 <|R> or defcon, another desert haha
Nov 09 04:36:01 <ds3> l7: donno, I built a voltage dropping cable
Nov 09 04:36:15 <|R> i acutally read snowcrash by stephenson and cyborg by Steve Mann a bit too seriously ;)
Nov 09 04:36:30 <ds3> I need to get the public access side of my blogs/rants done...been doing a write up on that
Nov 09 04:36:40 <ds3> on that sort of stuff at least but right now it is intranet only
Nov 09 04:37:10 <|R> I'd be interested to follow :)
Nov 09 04:37:21 <|R> if you do have a blog let me know, i'll add your rss feed to our site
Nov 09 04:37:38 <ds3> |R: it is not public yet, got to secure the webserver first
Nov 09 04:37:43 <|R> k
Nov 09 04:38:10 <ds3> found other useful stuff... like the a place clearancing out the 4 cell version of the energizer energi-to-go stuff
Nov 09 04:38:16 <|R> http://www.totalworlddomination.org/guerilla-bp.png
Nov 09 04:38:22 <|R> a bit too much of smart mob reading too ;)
Nov 09 04:38:23 <ds3> too bad it came with an ipod tip, not a simple 5V source
Nov 09 04:38:48 <ds3> but for $6.99, I get the charger + tip + 4 Li AA batteries... I think that is a good deal (4 AA's normally go for $9.99)
Nov 09 04:39:05 <|R> yep :)
Nov 09 04:39:15 <ds3> just need to confirm the iGo tips will work with it and let me go down to 5V (iPod apparently wants 7V ish)
Nov 09 04:40:03 <ds3> 4 cells in a series -> 6V so it would need to be a buck/boost setup
Nov 09 04:40:46 <|R> does this battery charger really fully charges battery in < 6h ?
Nov 09 04:41:04 <|R> (from 10 to 16h ?)
Nov 09 04:41:29 <l7> re
Nov 09 04:41:35 <l7> ah snowcrash
Nov 09 04:41:42 <|R> hehe
Nov 09 04:42:14 <ds3> 'this' what is this charger you are talking about?
Nov 09 04:42:19 <|R> snowcrash + smartmob + cyborg + Code and other law of cyberspace + wealth of networks = Crazy revolutionary anarchist ideas ;)
Nov 09 04:42:32 <l7> that reminds me i've been meaning to start on cryptonomicon
Nov 09 04:42:45 <|R> ds3 : the one you posted above
Nov 09 04:42:57 <l7> heh yeah
Nov 09 04:42:59 <ds3> oh that
Nov 09 04:43:04 <l7> i need to finish wealth of networks too
Nov 09 04:43:23 <ds3> donno, claims 300mA max output so 6hour charge is iffy for decent sized batteries
Nov 09 04:43:23 <|R> l7 : a bit long but very interesting (even though i won't remember a thing haha ;)
Nov 09 04:44:11 <l7> |R: i just remember the language reminC[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[C[Cded me of school readings :)
Nov 09 04:44:27 <|R> eheh very academic indeed ;)
Nov 09 04:45:02 <|R> SmartMob really got me into all this...
Nov 09 04:46:02 <|R> i was thinking of portable mesh device with video/sound/gps/temperature/name it sensors... with social-secure-p2p nets where you approve to who/where you data goes... all this through I2P so it's untracable but also to interface with a backend datacenter so you can map the whole crowd in different way
Nov 09 04:46:23 <|R> let's say map for sound, and you see where the noise is... in a manifestation this could be fun to react more rapidly than the police ;)
Nov 09 04:47:05 <|R> It sounds a bit military ... but i don't think we're far off, all the geo location is done, meta-tagging of sensors has some frameworks floating around, mesh is working from what i can see...
Nov 09 04:47:37 <|R> I2P too, etc... We only need a nice social net overlay with groups (datacenter/analysis/visualisation) support :)
Nov 09 04:48:21 <|R> But then again, i'm dreaming completely and nobody we'll run all this unless it's completely seemless/integrated/deployed...
Nov 09 04:48:50 <|R> Let's kill the carrier first ;)
Nov 09 04:49:09 <l7> somes like some crazy ghost in the shell type hardware
Nov 09 04:49:15 <l7> sounds
Nov 09 04:49:20 <|R> hehe maybe..
Nov 09 04:49:35 <|R> but it's alive and real (almost, just need a bit more integration ;)
Nov 09 04:49:36 <l7> i'l be happy if i can just figure out whether to buy the n810 or n800... :\
Nov 09 04:49:45 <|R> hehe how come?
Nov 09 04:49:59 <l7> well i don't know which one to get really
Nov 09 04:50:15 <|R> because if the miniSD i think the n810 is a bit of a turnoff with only 1 card :|
Nov 09 04:50:21 <|R> and the camera is fixed...
Nov 09 04:50:24 <l7> i guess the n800 is a better deal now with a gps reciever and external keyboard
Nov 09 04:50:32 <|R> (but yes you don't have to carry a lighter sized GPS ...)
Nov 09 04:50:48 <|R> the on screen thumb keyboard isn't so bad either
Nov 09 04:51:07 <|R> for quick typing i really don't care about hardware slide out kbd and for long typing i want a real kbd (but that's just me ;)
Nov 09 04:51:19 * |R is waiting for 32GB SDHC cards in 2 months ...
Nov 09 04:51:22 <l7> hmm, yeah
Nov 09 04:51:34 <l7> not having buttons on the outside of the unit seems bad too
Nov 09 04:51:50 <|R> yeah, form factor is nicer though but oh well..
Nov 09 04:51:53 <l7> the kickstand + slideout feature needs some redesign i think
Nov 09 04:52:07 <|R> never tried an n810 though..
Nov 09 04:52:13 <|R> so maybe i'm all biased ;)
Nov 09 04:52:26 <l7> heh yeah
Nov 09 04:52:56 <|R> a 2nd friend of mine just bougth an n800 + kbd + 8gb today
Nov 09 04:53:01 <l7> hmm i guess the n810 will come down in price soon anyway when they release the next IT
Nov 09 04:53:18 <|R> wait for release to decide, but i doubt it'll be below 400 for a while
Nov 09 04:53:18 <l7> nice, how much did he pay for all of it?
Nov 09 04:53:50 <l7> nokia is releasing the wimax n800 next year i heard
Nov 09 04:53:58 <|R> 378 canadian for card + n800... kbd will be 56+shipping more
Nov 09 04:54:16 <|R> 378(all included, tx+ship)
Nov 09 04:54:22 <l7> only 56 for the keyboard?
Nov 09 04:54:30 <|R> http://www.expansys.ca/p.aspx?i=150080
Nov 09 04:54:33 <l7> which card and keyboard did he get?
Nov 09 04:54:41 <|R> the dell one is the same as thinkOutside/iGo but less expensive ;0
Nov 09 04:55:06 <l7> ah nice
Nov 09 04:55:11 <l7> just rebranded?
Nov 09 04:55:30 <|R> i m not sure what he got in the end... either ocz in stock but more expensive or patriot out of stock but less expensive hehe
Nov 09 04:55:33 <|R> yep
Nov 09 04:57:10 <l7> so the 8gb card was about $100?
Nov 09 04:57:28 <l7> i'm wondering if i should just pick the cheapest 8gb i can find
Nov 09 04:57:33 <|R> less
Nov 09 04:57:41 <|R> yeah
Nov 09 04:57:44 <l7> http://www.nextag.com/Kingston-Technology-8-GB-540629095/prices-html?nxtg=46d20a240532-42009520D9A0EAAB
Nov 09 04:58:19 <|R> at 44 it's a steal!
Nov 09 04:58:23 <l7> $45 after $15 rebate for 8gb
Nov 09 04:58:31 <|R> (but class 4, but i don't think we care ;)
Nov 09 04:58:46 <l7> oh, that's too slow?
Nov 09 04:58:56 <|R> no, i don't think, not for the n800
Nov 09 04:59:31 <ol_schoola> no but your PC's card reader could take advantae of it
Nov 09 05:00:05 <ol_schoola> but no, class 4 is fine for the 800
Nov 09 05:00:38 <|R> you should be fine unless you change your mp3 collection every day :P
Nov 09 05:00:45 <l7> i wonder if the n800 would be faster with class 6
Nov 09 05:00:59 <l7> but yeah i want to save money for other things like the gps reciever :)
Nov 09 05:01:23 <TrueJournals> I need some help...
Nov 09 05:01:45 <|R> there was a 62$ class 6 8GB card on ITT today i think
Nov 09 05:02:10 <|R> but still, at 45, if you trust mail-in, it's worth it i'd say
Nov 09 05:02:12 <TrueJournals> I installed resetwlan, which seems to have screwed up my sudoers file
Nov 09 05:02:25 <|R> seriously?
Nov 09 05:02:49 <l7> $62 seems like a good deal too for class 56
Nov 09 05:02:55 <l7> er class 6
Nov 09 05:03:22 <|R> TrueJournals : how ?
Nov 09 05:03:33 <|R> you mean adding lines for mount rmmod insmod wlancond etc ?
Nov 09 05:03:35 <TrueJournals> Now i can't sudo gainroot to get into root, it just asks for a password (I never set a password for user)
Nov 09 05:03:47 <ol_schoola> transcend, 62 usd, Hitech Market via Amazon
Nov 09 05:03:58 <|R> TrueJournals : let me try, i jsut installed it
Nov 09 05:04:03 <Luria> 32gb is going to be a fortune
Nov 09 05:04:14 <TrueJournals> Sorry i'm a bit slow...   i'm typing from n770
Nov 09 05:04:32 <Luria> i remember the initial list for 16gb sd was 1600 or something nuts
Nov 09 05:04:57 <|R> TrueJournals : still works here
Nov 09 05:04:57 <ol_schoola> does anyone know if the 800's external sd slot is SDIO capable
Nov 09 05:05:00 <|R> sudo su -
Nov 09 05:05:20 <TrueJournals> i have no luck with that either
Nov 09 05:05:31 <Luria> i dunno about sdio, but most sdio cards are long and wouldnt fit
Nov 09 05:05:41 <|R> n800 though here
Nov 09 05:05:50 <Luria> i guess thats why i never looked into it
Nov 09 05:05:59 <|R> TrueJournals : but ssh works?
Nov 09 05:06:22 <TrueJournals> well..  that's the problem
Nov 09 05:06:22 <|R> Luria : now 16GB go for 145 :)
Nov 09 05:06:39 <ol_schoola> if it was long, i wouldn't care. trying to find a way to pump an ntsc video signal >into< this thing
Nov 09 05:06:39 <Luria> still too pricey :-)
Nov 09 05:06:43 <TrueJournals> i don't have a ssh server installed
Nov 09 05:06:51 <ol_schoola> USB host mode is still no go, right?
Nov 09 05:07:05 <|R> TrueJournals : uh oh
Nov 09 05:07:16 <l7> does the n800 also have bluetooth headphone support?
Nov 09 05:07:22 <|R> TrueJournals : rebooting didn't fix it?
Nov 09 05:07:22 <l7> just saw http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=92421#post92421
Nov 09 05:07:34 <|R> l7 : it should in OS2008 from what i can gather
Nov 09 05:07:34 <ol_schoola> l7, yes, native to Kagu
Nov 09 05:07:39 <TrueJournals> and i can't install one because app manager won't start because of messed up sudoers
Nov 09 05:07:43 <|R> oh wait
Nov 09 05:07:49 <|R> you mean HSP or A2DP ?
Nov 09 05:07:54 <TrueJournals> no, rebooting didn't fix
Nov 09 05:07:56 <l7> ah cool
Nov 09 05:08:05 <l7> well another point in the n800's favor
Nov 09 05:08:15 <|R> they'll run the same OS
Nov 09 05:08:17 * timeless frowns
Nov 09 05:08:43 <astro76> yeah I just got a transcend 8gb, newegg has it for ~62 shipped
Nov 09 05:08:49 <astro76> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820208293
Nov 09 05:08:51 <TrueJournals> am i just screwed and i'll have to reflash?
Nov 09 05:09:11 <ol_schoola> astro76:  mine is in transit
Nov 09 05:09:26 <ol_schoola> and the GPS, and the su31
Nov 09 05:09:26 <|R> TrueJournals : urhm urhm...
Nov 09 05:09:47 <astro76> l7, have you considered $230 versus $500 ? ;)
Nov 09 05:09:47 <|R> TrueJournals : can't you install ssh through the application manager?
Nov 09 05:09:54 <|R> astro76 hehe
Nov 09 05:09:58 <TrueJournals> nope....
Nov 09 05:10:13 <|R> why not ? it dies with an error ?
Nov 09 05:10:24 <TrueJournals> sudoers messed up prevents app manager from starting
Nov 09 05:10:37 <|R> argh
Nov 09 05:10:40 <l7> astro76: yeah $300 buys a lot of extra stuff
Nov 09 05:10:47 <TrueJournals> it shows loading for a bit...  then...  nothing
Nov 09 05:10:48 <|R> any ideas for an exploit? :P
Nov 09 05:10:54 <l7> 8gb card, bluetooth keyboard... gps...
Nov 09 05:10:56 <|R> sudo vim ?
Nov 09 05:11:07 <astro76> l7, another 8gb card ;)
Nov 09 05:11:09 <|R> sudo anything that could give you access to root read/write ?
Nov 09 05:11:15 <l7> some of kind of universal charger
Nov 09 05:11:18 <l7> astro76: heh
Nov 09 05:11:30 <l7> maybe i should just get a 16gb
Nov 09 05:12:00 <TrueJournals> vim and nano don't work
Nov 09 05:12:20 <Luria> no vim?
Nov 09 05:12:21 <|R> neither just vi ?
Nov 09 05:12:27 <Luria> thats the end of the world
Nov 09 05:12:34 <|R> haha agreed
Nov 09 05:12:41 <Luria> perhaps a cursed ncurses
Nov 09 05:12:45 <TrueJournals> afaik...  the only things that work are what resetwlan added
Nov 09 05:12:55 <|R> which would be... ?
Nov 09 05:13:02 <|R> insmod etc ?
Nov 09 05:13:02 <TrueJournals> vi doesn't work
Nov 09 05:13:33 <Luria> do any full screen cli apps work?
Nov 09 05:13:58 <TrueJournals> like ...?
Nov 09 05:14:50 <|R> did you have a sudoers line for anything ?
Nov 09 05:14:54 <|R> user ALL = (ALL) NOPASSWD: ALL
Nov 09 05:15:43 <TrueJournals> well, resetwlan changes permissions on sudoers, so i can't check contents
Nov 09 05:16:05 <|R> oh uh
Nov 09 05:16:20 <|R> actually you shouldnt be able to check damn
Nov 09 05:16:29 <|R> r--r-----
Nov 09 05:16:47 <TrueJournals> hmmm...  resetwlan adds a line for its executable...  maybe i can hijack that
Nov 09 05:16:50 <TrueJournals> brb
Nov 09 05:16:51 <|R> sudo chmod ?
Nov 09 05:17:04 <Luria> i used to use ssh localhost when i was too lazy to edit sudoers after a flash
Nov 09 05:17:19 <|R> check with filemanager
Nov 09 05:17:24 <|R> i don't know if it has root privs
Nov 09 05:17:38 <|R> if you ln -s / ~/MyDocs/root
Nov 09 05:17:51 <|R> maybe you can screw things up (i doubt it though)
Nov 09 05:18:02 <TrueJournals> ah,reading that file wrong....
Nov 09 05:18:13 <TrueJournals> tried sudo chmod
Nov 09 05:18:28 <|R> k :/
Nov 09 05:18:50 <|R> if you have access to any boot scripts
Nov 09 05:19:07 <|R> or anything that get's executed by root ... (trying to think of something which shouldnt be there... :P)
Nov 09 05:23:50 <TrueJournals> well...  i gotta go
Nov 09 05:24:02 <TrueJournals> thanks for the help
Nov 09 05:24:21 <TrueJournals> guess i'll just reflash tomorrow
Nov 09 05:24:30 <TrueJournals> thanks again
Nov 09 05:24:43 <|R> http://cgi.ebay.com/Apple-iPhone-8GB-AT-T-MYSTERY-AUCTION_W0QQitemZ130171909089QQihZ003QQcategoryZ64355QQcmdZViewItem
Nov 09 05:24:45 <|R> that is seriously weird
Nov 09 05:24:53 <|R> TrueJournals : good luck :)
Nov 09 05:44:30 <rubiks> hello
Nov 09 05:44:30 <_Monkey> hello, rubiks
Nov 09 05:44:36 <rubiks> hi
Nov 09 05:45:59 <Luria> is that mauku party over?
Nov 09 05:46:18 <Luria> was hoping to score an invite.
Nov 09 05:46:41 <rubiks> ?
Nov 09 05:47:15 <Luria> see itt
Nov 09 05:47:25 <timeless> mauku?
Nov 09 05:47:32 <Luria> its a finnish micro blog app
Nov 09 05:47:34 <Luria> yeah
Nov 09 05:48:24 <Luria> sigh. i wish i could right click in rdesktop
Nov 09 05:50:17 <Luria> i still dont get the n810, but whatever
Nov 09 05:53:14 <unique311__> luria need an invite?
Nov 09 05:53:28 <Luria> yeah please
Nov 09 05:55:27 <unique311__> jaiku to me seems like irc....but slow in response time....
Nov 09 05:56:11 <Luria> i know, but i curious
Nov 09 05:56:18 <Luria> thanks so much
Nov 09 06:18:13 <unique311__> am i reading this right....  Free calls within the US and Canada to all phones until the end of the year. Get calling.
Nov 09 06:18:23 <unique311__> reading this on my skype account settings
Nov 09 06:18:27 <unique311__> first line...
Nov 09 06:18:36 <unique311__> do they mean the end of 07
Nov 09 06:19:19 <unique311__> anyone else seeing this message in account settings
Nov 09 06:25:51 <|R> the new theme on ITT is uhm, "special"
Nov 09 06:26:39 <|R> haha jaiku seems like yahoo chat 1993 style all over again....
Nov 09 06:33:49 <czr> hmm. did yahoo even exist in 93?
Nov 09 06:34:11 <czr> " started their guide in a campus trailer in February 1994"
Nov 09 06:34:14 <czr> nope :-)
Nov 09 06:38:24 <timeless> sp3000: Bug 2242 has been added to the database
Nov 09 06:38:25 <_Monkey> Bug 2242 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2242
Nov 09 06:45:15 <|R> czr : ok 1995 then ;)
Nov 09 06:45:19 <|R> ( i was young ;)
Nov 09 06:45:38 <|R> i was browsing before we got mouses to do so to early i guess hehe :P
Nov 09 06:45:43 <|R> too
Nov 09 06:46:17 * czr is still young
Nov 09 06:46:24 <czr> self-deception is the bestest!
Nov 09 06:46:30 <|R> if you is < 30... yeah me too ;)
Nov 09 06:46:34 <|R> you = young
Nov 09 06:46:39 <|R> haha ;)
Nov 09 06:49:21 <|R> anyone has a "ROM" repository for scummVM?
Nov 09 06:55:06 <lopz> bye
Nov 09 07:17:42 <timeless> WTF
Nov 09 07:18:15 <unique311__> not sure
Nov 09 07:18:42 <|R> ? :)
Nov 09 07:19:39 <unique311__> whats wrong timeless?
Nov 09 07:34:26 * fysabye test
Nov 09 08:11:31 <timeless> ok, i'm looking for final reviewers
Nov 09 08:11:35 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/9/index.txt
Nov 09 08:11:37 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/9/index.html
Nov 09 08:11:45 <timeless> the announcement's going up in less than an hour :)
Nov 09 08:11:59 <timeless> i'm about to move around the blocks
Nov 09 08:12:09 <timeless> but i need people to look for obvious problems
Nov 09 08:15:32 <X-Fade_> timeless: You like long documents, eh? :)
Nov 09 08:15:36 <timeless> no
Nov 09 08:16:51 <X-Fade_> What do you need reviewed?
Nov 09 08:17:06 <timeless> everything
Nov 09 08:17:07 <_Monkey> everything is executable too
Nov 09 08:17:13 <timeless> _monkey forget everything
Nov 09 08:17:14 <_Monkey> timeless: I forgot everything
Nov 09 08:17:22 <timeless> _monkey everything is <reply>
Nov 09 08:17:23 <_Monkey> OK, timeless.
Nov 09 08:17:57 <timeless> look for bad English, unclear thoughts, random html errors (they'd generally be bad a href's, or bold/italic in strange places)
Nov 09 08:18:12 <timeless> i'm reordering the lines into sections now
Nov 09 08:18:41 * czr likes "Removed unused code (note to self: try to figure out what this means)"
Nov 09 08:19:04 <timeless> i think i'll drop that now :)
Nov 09 08:19:12 <X-Fade_> timeless: Maybe move more developper related info to a different part or file?
Nov 09 08:19:29 <X-Fade_> Or isn't this intended for end-users?
Nov 09 08:19:49 <tigert> timeless: bad english, in your text? unpossible!! :)
Nov 09 08:20:09 <timeless> i'm working on regrouping things
Nov 09 08:20:18 <timeless> packaging will go long after user interface
Nov 09 08:20:31 <timeless> tigert: i've been up for 3 days fighting this
Nov 09 08:21:34 <dolske> timeless: I assume you've done spell checking, and are just looking for any egregious violations of english grammar?
Nov 09 08:21:46 <timeless> dolske: don't assume that
Nov 09 08:21:51 <timeless> i'm using the typoing keyboard
Nov 09 08:22:03 <timeless> and i've had many sleepless nights trying to get this right
Nov 09 08:22:31 <czr> timeless, looks pretty decent to me. much better than most other maemo-related stuff
Nov 09 08:22:45 <timeless> czr: you're the wrong audience right now
Nov 09 08:22:46 <czr> infact, I think it's the most detailed page on anything relating to IT/maemo.
Nov 09 08:22:49 <timeless> i'm looking for critics
Nov 09 08:22:52 <X-Fade_> timeless: Did https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1671 get fixed?
Nov 09 08:22:53 <timeless> illl take praise in an hour
Nov 09 08:22:55 <czr> which hat should I be wearing?
Nov 09 08:23:01 <dolske> timeless: so, then, I suggest running though a spellchecker just in case. :)
Nov 09 08:23:16 <czr> timeless, what is the intended audience for the page then?
Nov 09 08:23:19 <timeless> dolske: sorry, i'm working on reorgs, can you just tell me what i've typoed?
Nov 09 08:23:36 <timeless> czr: people who will read the release announcement
Nov 09 08:23:45 <timeless> which is obviously happening at the hour
Nov 09 08:23:52 <timeless> 35mins
Nov 09 08:23:53 <czr> ah. definitely should split all the details to some other page
Nov 09 08:24:01 <timeless> no time for that
Nov 09 08:24:04 <timeless> i'll group them
Nov 09 08:24:13 <timeless> i /might/ drop all the editor's notes
Nov 09 08:24:15 <timeless> haven't decided
Nov 09 08:24:24 <czr> you probably should
Nov 09 08:24:26 <timeless> i might version it so the orignal .txt has them but the published one doesn't
Nov 09 08:24:32 * czr nods
Nov 09 08:25:25 <czr> hmm. will microb be installable easily into the x86-sdk part?
Nov 09 08:25:38 <czr> (useable)
Nov 09 08:26:01 <timeless> presumably, but i don't know / care
Nov 09 08:26:08 <czr> right.
Nov 09 08:27:06 <timeless> ok
Nov 09 08:27:14 <timeless> i want a section header for Web2/Google
Nov 09 08:27:21 <dolske> timeless: "exensions" (extensions)
Nov 09 08:27:24 <timeless> should i just call it Google WEb Applications
Nov 09 08:27:29 <czr> " Unfortunately the localizers are not familiar with localizing XML text and consistent... ". you might want to reconsider assigning blame on others :-)
Nov 09 08:27:39 <czr> don't know what the policy in your case is for public documents though.
Nov 09 08:27:41 <timeless> dolske: .
Nov 09 08:28:18 <timeless> czr: remind me in 20mins
Nov 09 08:28:28 <czr> I'll try to remember
Nov 09 08:28:30 <timeless> or come up w/ a better way to write tha blovb
Nov 09 08:28:37 * czr doesn't care
Nov 09 08:28:40 <czr> :-)
Nov 09 08:28:41 <timeless> since i won't have time to do much more than drop it
Nov 09 08:28:56 <timeless> i tried to claim official blame while explaining it's not our faul
Nov 09 08:29:05 <timeless> that was my goal as i wrote it
Nov 09 08:29:08 * czr nods
Nov 09 08:29:26 <czr> being honest doesn't hurt. however, I don't know how well that fits the official policy.
Nov 09 08:29:30 <timeless> ok, i need a google section header i think
Nov 09 08:29:31 <dolske> timeless: "texarea" (textarea)
Nov 09 08:29:41 <timeless> dolske: .
Nov 09 08:29:53 <timeless> this keyboard reeally sucks
Nov 09 08:30:25 <timeless> how about:
Nov 09 08:30:31 <timeless> -Google Style Applications-?
Nov 09 08:30:42 <timeless> to cover things that some people would call "AJAX"
Nov 09 08:30:42 <dolske> Those were the only two spelling mistakes the OS X spellchecker found (other than it being stupid about "nokia", "microb", "maemo", etc :)
Nov 09 08:30:55 <timeless> but which aren't (designMode, mouseevents,...)
Nov 09 08:31:40 <czr> google style applications to me means some apps made by google that have to do with style (what, I do not know)
Nov 09 08:31:52 <timeless> yeah, i'm reaching, help help :)
Nov 09 08:32:05 <czr> Google-like Web applications?
Nov 09 08:32:14 <czr> or smt like that.
Nov 09 08:32:25 <czr> although using google in that context isn't really productive. hmm.
Nov 09 08:32:25 <timeless> stephend would give you points for proper use of hyphen
Nov 09 08:32:54 <timeless> that's one thing i didn't use properly (i believe i corrected the two instances stephend found)
Nov 09 08:33:44 <czr> a lot of the list entries are missing the dot at the end of sentences
Nov 09 08:33:53 <czr> although, a lot of the entries are not proper sentences anyway :-)
Nov 09 08:34:00 <Khertan> Hi !
Nov 09 08:34:18 <czr> but I don't think that's the main issue (shouldn't probably bother about it)
Nov 09 08:34:37 <timeless> yeah, that's a problem it's way too late to fix
Nov 09 08:34:52 <czr> timeless, sed Maemo/maemo
Nov 09 08:34:58 <czr> sed debian/Debian
Nov 09 08:35:39 <timeless> .. .
Nov 09 08:35:43 <timeless> thanks
Nov 09 08:35:48 <czr> check for mozilla in lowercase too.
Nov 09 08:35:54 <czr> "great pain if you try to run your own mozilla on the platform.) "
Nov 09 08:36:12 <timeless> where's that?
Nov 09 08:36:15 <czr> (that's the only instance)
Nov 09 08:36:27 <timeless> darn, that's at the beginning of a line
Nov 09 08:36:31 <timeless> .
Nov 09 08:36:33 <czr> packaging and building, last entry
Nov 09 08:36:38 <timeless> yeah got it
Nov 09 08:36:43 <czr> ah, that's inside an editor note
Nov 09 08:36:48 <timeless> problem is, you're working from html
Nov 09 08:36:52 <timeless> i'm working from text
Nov 09 08:36:55 * czr nods
Nov 09 08:36:59 <timeless> i tried case search for " mozilla"
Nov 09 08:37:01 <timeless> which failed
Nov 09 08:37:08 * timeless switched from VI to notepad
Nov 09 08:37:17 <czr> I exactly what you mean btw :-)
Nov 09 08:37:32 <czr> I have the same issue many times when fixing typos based on other peoples' input.
Nov 09 08:37:53 <timeless> * !! Fixed restore plug-ins state if the browser crashes at low memory. !!
Nov 09 08:37:53 <timeless> (Editor's note: There's no bug reference in the changelog,
Nov 09 08:37:53 <timeless> I can't determine what this means)
Nov 09 08:38:04 * timeless needs to do something about that one
Nov 09 08:38:15 <czr> omit it if you can't come up with anything sane
Nov 09 08:38:19 <czr> you can add it later
Nov 09 08:39:41 * czr likes the picture :-)
Nov 09 08:39:46 <timeless> thanks :)
Nov 09 08:40:17 * timeless can't find the string in the changelogs...
Nov 09 08:40:42 <czr> you have some lines which don't start capitalized
Nov 09 08:40:56 <czr> might want to check them through (not the ones that start with component names, but proper english ones)
Nov 09 08:41:04 <czr> "added libnspr package"
Nov 09 08:41:28 <czr> "tapping an input field "
Nov 09 08:41:54 <timeless> i need to figure out if it's VKB or vkb (similarly for the others)
Nov 09 08:42:04 <czr> I use capitalized VKB
Nov 09 08:42:20 <czr> "^link navigation should be " (inside a href)
Nov 09 08:42:34 <timeless> oh, minor concern
Nov 09 08:42:37 <czr> that's it for the capital thingies
Nov 09 08:42:40 <timeless> which is why i didn't fix vkb
Nov 09 08:42:45 * czr nods
Nov 09 08:42:47 <timeless> those links are based on bug titles
Nov 09 08:42:51 <czr> ah
Nov 09 08:42:55 <timeless> do we care?
Nov 09 08:43:02 <czr> I don't. I told you already :-)
Nov 09 08:43:08 <timeless> i'm fine w/ uppercase
Nov 09 08:43:33 <czr> well, I use capital letters, since it's an acronym anyway
Nov 09 08:44:27 <timeless> done
Nov 09 08:44:40 <czr> timeless, I need to continue doing real work(tm), good luck :-)
Nov 09 08:44:53 <czr> and congrats on the soon-release :-)
Nov 09 08:45:42 <czr> btw. you might want to replace the links to the bugs so that they're something like this (Bug: <href goes here>).
Nov 09 08:45:53 <czr> now it's not always clear whether a link points to a bug-report or somewhere else.
Nov 09 08:46:39 <timeless> hrm
Nov 09 08:46:43 <czr> but that's up to you of course. imho increases readability a lot.
Nov 09 08:46:59 <timeless> i think my style was bug links were always at the very end of an item
Nov 09 08:47:12 <timeless> other links would always be a few words inside the item
Nov 09 08:47:21 <timeless> not sure if tha's held for the 3 weeks i've worked on this
Nov 09 08:47:30 <czr> hmm. that wasn't clear to me, but now that you mention it, yes :-)
Nov 09 08:47:40 <timeless> cool. wontfix
Nov 09 08:48:22 <czr> imho I still think it would be better ;-)
Nov 09 08:48:26 <czr> WILL_COMPLAIN!
Nov 09 08:48:41 <czr> but if you're under a deadline, I wouldn't bother.
Nov 09 08:49:09 <timeless> 5mins
Nov 09 09:04:04 <rothiel> Hi :)
Nov 09 09:04:37 <dolske> Ooooh.... pretty.... http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/
Nov 09 09:06:38 <L0cutus> buondi'
Nov 09 09:10:33 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Nov 09 09:18:46 <timeless> ok, thanks all
Nov 09 09:18:51 <timeless> http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/9/
Nov 09 09:19:34 <Jaffa> p.m.o down?
Nov 09 09:19:37 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 09 09:20:23 <X-Fade_> Jaffa: There is some work done on the server..
Nov 09 09:20:33 <Jaffa> Tsk, I need my news fix :)
Nov 09 09:20:36 <unit42> maemo.org seems also having problems. Garage works.
Nov 09 09:21:10 <X-Fade_> unit42: maemo.org is same server. Garage is a different one.
Nov 09 09:21:39 <unit42> timeless: r0x0r
Nov 09 09:21:46 <unit42> ACK
Nov 09 09:44:46 <florian> good morning
Nov 09 09:44:50 * KevinVerma is away: I'm busy
Nov 09 09:45:34 * KevinVerma is back (gone 00:00:44)
Nov 09 09:55:40 <workingplayya> moin
Nov 09 09:56:13 <workingplayya> isn't the -exec include in find for busybox?
Nov 09 09:56:29 <workingplayya> ctime and atime is also missing
Nov 09 09:57:05 <rothiel> hi :)
Nov 09 10:13:13 <Gubbe> Why. Does. This. Not. Work!
Nov 09 10:14:51 <Gubbe> I've created a new ConIcConnection* and initialized it with con_ic_connection_new(). I've set its "automatic-connection-events" property to TRUE and used g_signal_connect to register a signal handler for its "connection-event".
Nov 09 10:15:43 <Gubbe> The g_signal_connect returns a proper handle, but the function I've specified never gets called.
Nov 09 10:15:58 <Gubbe> handler function, that is
Nov 09 10:17:03 <Gubbe> What have I forgotten to initialize? What do I need to unblock or define?
Nov 09 10:33:12 <onion> Gubbe: have you requested a connection ?
Nov 09 10:39:27 <Khertan> How can i launch an python script for the task navigator menu with root priveledge ?
Nov 09 10:40:36 <Khertan> rothiel > bonjour :)
Nov 09 10:46:29 <workingplayya> what do you wanna do Khertan
Nov 09 10:47:25 <Khertan> i ve a python script witch need to be root to use some bluetooth things
Nov 09 10:47:52 <Khertan> and i want to be able to launch this script with a .desktop file
Nov 09 10:48:41 <Khertan> does a run-standalone.sh give the right suid ?
Nov 09 10:53:14 <L0cutus> someone can put somewhere the 9Mb (if i remember correctly) video presentation that comes with n800 ?
Nov 09 10:53:21 <L0cutus> i've lost it...
Nov 09 10:53:53 <Khertan> sorry don't have it. But you can retrieve it by flashing an n800
Nov 09 10:54:12 <L0cutus> hum
Nov 09 10:56:48 <Khertan> else : http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=443281
Nov 09 11:05:49 <Gubbe> onion: Sorry, had a break there. Yeah, I've tried using con_ic_connection_connect((connection),CON_IC_CONNECT_FLAG_NONE); but it doesn't seem to help either.
Nov 09 11:07:45 <Gubbe> Just to be clear, even if I hadn't requested a connection, wouldn't I still get those signals? I don't recall seeing clear documentation regarding the conditions required for getting those signals.
Nov 09 11:12:35 <rothiel> Khertan > salut :)
Nov 09 11:35:45 <Gubbe> hm. Perhaps I should try to restate the question: What "binds" a particular ConIcConnection instance to the (dis)connect signals coming from the system? Simply constructing a ConIcConnection with con_ic_connection_new()? Connecting the signal to that instance? When does the "system" get told what objects it needs to notify when the connection status changes?
Nov 09 11:36:05 <truls> anyone playing with the beta japanese input of maemocjk? trying to figure out why it never replaces the normal keyboard despite reboots
Nov 09 11:44:01 <derf> I'm using a really old version of maemocjk.
Nov 09 11:44:08 <derf> It replaces the keyboard just fine.
Nov 09 11:52:28 <truls> hm, guess i'll just revert to that one
Nov 09 11:52:53 <lardman> morning
Nov 09 11:52:54 <_Monkey> aloha
Nov 09 11:53:06 <truls> was really hoping to play with tomoe for kanji handwriting recognition
Nov 09 11:55:04 <workingplayya> kanji handwriting is very hard
Nov 09 11:55:30 <workingplayya> do you have to write every kanji with one line truls ?
Nov 09 11:57:02 <truls> one line?
Nov 09 11:57:34 <truls> i know how writing kanji works, if that's what you mean
Nov 09 11:59:37 <truls> i suck at remembering kanji, but if i need to look one up, i usually get the stroke order right on my nintendo ds dictionary
Nov 09 12:00:24 <truls> but i would love to get it working with gjiten or something
Nov 09 12:02:31 <rothiel> 'jour all
Nov 09 12:11:10 <workingplayya> truls: no. i meant writing on a pda or sth
Nov 09 12:12:10 <workingplayya> there you have to write every letter with on line
Nov 09 12:12:19 <workingplayya> it is so in romaji
Nov 09 12:12:57 <truls> workingplayya: eh? isnt that why you have multiple input fields?
Nov 09 12:13:14 <workingplayya> never used it
Nov 09 12:13:22 <truls> ack
Nov 09 12:13:23 <workingplayya> kanji is to hard
Nov 09 12:14:09 <truls> writing kanji with a single stroke wouldn't make sense
Nov 09 12:15:24 <workingplayya> yes
Nov 09 12:15:45 <workingplayya> but looks like a picture from the kindergarden
Nov 09 12:15:58 <workingplayya> childhood
Nov 09 12:16:27 <truls> ah, sorry, i thought you made sense
Nov 09 12:24:24 <alterego> timeless, looks like you could use your own planet maemo from the length of that blog post :P
Nov 09 12:25:57 <rothiel> Hi alterego & timeless
Nov 09 12:26:17 <alterego> Hello rothiel
Nov 09 12:46:40 * fysabye test
Nov 09 13:08:23 <ormen> hey
Nov 09 13:27:21 <Tak> hmm, is http://pastie.textmate.org/115869 too long for an example?
Nov 09 14:00:39 <Jaffa> Tak: not really - depends what it's demoing, and if there're any others
Nov 09 14:11:04 <greedo__> i installed chinook beta sdk but it seems it lacks a lot of packages
Nov 09 14:11:05 <greedo__> is there another repository that should be used ?
Nov 09 14:11:17 <greedo__> (i asked yesterday but then forgot to read the answers :) sorry )
Nov 09 14:13:42 <alterego> greedo__, you need to install the sdk meta package.
Nov 09 14:14:14 <alterego> greedo__, did you use the installation script?
Nov 09 14:14:27 <greedo__> yes
Nov 09 14:14:34 <greedo__> seems to be installed
Nov 09 14:14:54 <alterego> Well, do it again and make sure you've selected the install with development packages.
Nov 09 14:21:00 <Tak> it's a 'hello world'
Nov 09 14:27:08 <lardman> ooh, exciting, the N810 is making its way through the distribution channels :)
Nov 09 14:28:05 * lardman wonders when it will be available at Nokia online and when the dev discounts will be decided?
Nov 09 14:28:17 <shackan> is os2008 out yet?
Nov 09 14:28:24 <dpb_> no
Nov 09 14:28:30 <lardman> no
Nov 09 14:28:33 <shackan> :(
Nov 09 14:31:31 <greedo__> and is there another chinook release planned before the launch of the os ?
Nov 09 14:32:32 <FMz> Speaking of n Series and distribution... my n800 is on the truck for delivery.  Also:  http://xkcd.com/340/
Nov 09 14:32:59 <lardman> greedo__: I think there's been a final release of the SDK today
Nov 09 14:33:26 <lardman> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4-0_chinook_released.html
Nov 09 14:34:54 <greedo__> oh!
Nov 09 14:35:27 <Tak> alterego: comments?
Nov 09 14:35:55 <alterego> Tak, ?
Nov 09 14:35:56 <_Monkey> Tak, are you going to make a console vkb?-)
Nov 09 14:36:11 <Tak> http://pastie.textmate.org/115869
Nov 09 14:36:40 <alterego> Thanks
Nov 09 14:37:03 <Tak> ?
Nov 09 14:37:15 <lardman> _Monkey: forget Tak
Nov 09 14:37:16 <_Monkey> lardman, I didn't have anything matching tak
Nov 09 14:37:23 <lardman> _Monkey: forget Tak,
Nov 09 14:37:23 <_Monkey> lardman: I forgot tak,
Nov 09 14:37:37 <Tak> good advice for us all.
Nov 09 14:37:42 <lardman> Tak: nothing personal of course :)
Nov 09 14:37:59 <alterego> Looks good.
Nov 09 14:38:27 <Tak> cool - I'll email a finalized version
Nov 09 14:39:11 <alterego> :)
Nov 09 14:41:17 <greedo__> hmm
Nov 09 14:41:37 <greedo__> launching installer script for the 4.0 chinook sdk: E: Dialog not found in default path.
Nov 09 14:42:17 <greedo__> ah found :)
Nov 09 14:43:44 <alterego> Hmm .. I should probably update then.
Nov 09 15:07:36 <alterego> sudo?
Nov 09 15:07:36 <_Monkey> it has been said that sudo is supposed to do that.  this is the difference in running as root and running from within a shell run as root  :)
Nov 09 15:07:41 <alterego> scratchbox doesn't have sudo.
Nov 09 15:08:09 <alterego> Anyone fancy notifying the nokians about their installation instructions being broken?
Nov 09 15:08:10 <greedo__> thx lardman for pointing the release :)
Nov 09 15:08:59 <alterego> nvm, I'll post a mail on the mailing list.
Nov 09 15:10:29 <GeneralAntilles> Now where's mah firmware image? :(
Nov 09 15:10:37 <alterego> :)
Nov 09 15:12:43 <alterego> I probably should have submitted a bug report, as it would have increased my karma ;)
Nov 09 15:13:06 <sp3000> add irc log line counts :P
Nov 09 15:13:30 <alterego> I'm not too fussed about karma really.
Nov 09 15:13:34 <sp3000> (and
Nov 09 15:13:36 <sp3000> remember
Nov 09 15:13:38 <sp3000> to
Nov 09 15:13:38 <alterego> As long as I feel I'm doing a good job.
Nov 09 15:13:39 <sp3000> use
Nov 09 15:13:41 <sp3000> linefeeds
Nov 09 15:13:44 <sp3000> )
Nov 09 15:13:46 <sp3000> :)
Nov 09 15:13:56 <alterego> My karma shot up last night.
Nov 09 15:14:03 <alterego> I'm not on the 4th page
Nov 09 15:14:14 <alterego> one below Karoliina :)
Nov 09 15:14:26 <sp3000>  Your search - karma - did not match any documents.
Nov 09 15:14:40 <lardman> mine appears to have remained static despite a bug report and mailing list posts
Nov 09 15:15:03 <alterego> lardman, I think they get updated every night.
Nov 09 15:15:16 <lardman> yeah, the bug report, etc. were a few days ago
Nov 09 15:15:18 <alterego> So you wont see the results immediately. Also, I don't think mailing list counts yet.
Nov 09 15:15:41 <lardman> oh I see, what does "discussion" count then?
Nov 09 15:15:56 <alterego> I think that's comments in news/announce maybe?
Nov 09 15:16:11 <alterego> Or comments in the downloads section
Nov 09 15:16:16 <lardman> no way, I've got 128 in that so I thought it might be emails
Nov 09 15:16:23 <alterego> Heh
Nov 09 15:17:54 <Jaffa> alterego: what did you do last night?
Nov 09 15:18:00 <Jaffa> s/last night/yesterday/
Nov 09 15:18:01 <infobot> Jaffa meant: alterego: what did you do yesterday?
Nov 09 15:18:09 <alterego> I released ruby-maemo 0.3.0
Nov 09 15:18:17 <alterego> And I've had more people download the project.
Nov 09 15:18:25 <alterego> download/comment/rate
Nov 09 15:18:31 * Jaffa 's karma has gone up, but his position dropped down lower on the second page.
Nov 09 15:21:11 * lardman is not worrying about it too much as karma is an average of both the past & future, therefore nothing we can do about it ;)
Nov 09 15:21:51 <alterego> Hah
Nov 09 15:22:54 <alterego> Appearantly ruby-maemo has 34 downloads.
Nov 09 15:23:02 <alterego> I didn't realise there was _that_ much interest :)
Nov 09 15:24:30 <Jaffa> lardman: I'm not worried about it too much: page 2 is still quite high
Nov 09 15:25:17 <lardman> You're a MUD guru aren't you Jaffa?
Nov 09 15:25:34 <lardman> or am I getting confused
Nov 09 15:26:01 <Jaffa> lardman: I am teh MUD Meister
Nov 09 15:26:29 <lardman> good good
Nov 09 15:26:58 <lardman> does MUD work with a sandbox of sorts - does it actually install deps required to build a given package?
Nov 09 15:27:31 <lardman> I'm thinking of the comment on the list about having lots of things installed and therefore not being quite sure whether all the deps are listed in the .deb/recipe/etc
Nov 09 15:30:31 <Jaffa> lardman: indeed, that's a good point. It does install deps required to build a given package, but there should be some thought given on how to make that rollbackable. Graham's using MUD to do his GPE building, so his recipe should be reusable (hopefully)
Nov 09 15:30:56 <lardman> ah, I was wondering if he was using that or OE
Nov 09 15:31:32 <Jaffa> No, he's using MUD
Nov 09 15:31:40 <lardman> it's probably not such a big thing - someone will notice it pretty quickly and complain/file a bug, then it can be fixed
Nov 09 15:31:51 <Tak> uhh...https://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2007/fceu
Nov 09 15:32:07 <Jaffa> Yeah, with critical mass it's less important. But until that point it's quite handy.
Nov 09 15:33:24 <lardman> Jaffa: I should update my MUD metadata, I've been cursing lately needing to rebuild lots of mathematical libs which I've done before (and forgotten how)
Nov 09 15:33:36 <Tak> does the apt in SDK support 'autoremove' ?  If so, rollback should be trivial
Nov 09 15:34:37 <alterego> Hah, flite is hilarious.
Nov 09 15:34:54 <Tak> hmm, what part of the profile is linked to downloads catalog?  "Products" ?
Nov 09 15:35:17 <lopz> hola
Nov 09 15:37:14 <Jaffa> Tak: I don't think it does, because Marius(?) was talking about implementing his own-style of thing in libapt for the Application Manager
Nov 09 15:38:44 <lardman> anyone know how large a tex install is on maemo?
Nov 09 15:38:51 <lardman> or should that be latex?
Nov 09 15:39:08 <lardman> whatever it is that can turn tex strings into dvi then into pngs
Nov 09 15:39:33 <Tak> ah, ok
Nov 09 15:41:03 <lardman> greedo__: has your install finished?
Nov 09 15:43:03 <greedo__> yes
Nov 09 15:45:05 <lardman> do you know if latex is included?
Nov 09 15:45:37 <lardman> so many debian packages fail doing making documentation, it's a real pita
Nov 09 15:45:46 <greedo__> tetex-bin - The teTeX binary files
Nov 09 15:45:52 <greedo__> tetex-base - Basic library files of teTeX
Nov 09 15:45:53 <greedo__> tetex-extra - Additional library files of teTeX
Nov 09 15:45:59 <greedo__> says apt-cache search
Nov 09 15:46:02 <alterego> Anyone know how I can make ruby-maemo show up for OS2008 and OS2007 in the downloads section?
Nov 09 15:46:21 <lardman> greedo__: thanks, there's hope at least, I'll have to install it and try
Nov 09 15:46:29 <lardman> koen: hi, how are you?
Nov 09 15:47:08 <greedo__> also there's http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/3.2_vs_4.0_content_comparison.html
Nov 09 15:47:38 <lardman> greedo__: thanks
Nov 09 15:49:42 <Tak> it already shows up for 2007
Nov 09 15:49:53 <Tak> unless we're talking about something different
Nov 09 15:50:36 <alterego> I know, but it doesn't show up for OS2008
Nov 09 15:50:40 <alterego> Which is what I want.
Nov 09 16:22:23 <Jaffa> Oooh, exciting email from Nokia.
Nov 09 16:22:40 <Jaffa> Device programme emails seem to be going out :)
Nov 09 16:23:25 <Tak> I guess they want to head off the flood of anticipatory wheel-spinning from the last time
Nov 09 16:23:46 <keesj> that is really an amaizing strategy , have things done before they are planned
Nov 09 16:24:18 <Tak> Walk before you crawl! Run before you walk! Fly before you...
Nov 09 16:25:26 <keesj> that does not sound good. Fly does not rime with week-end or get stonned/drunk
Nov 09 16:25:49 <keesj> I only have the week-end :(
Nov 09 16:26:50 <Jaffa> Now all I need is a promotion and this'll be a good month :-)
Nov 09 16:27:29 * Tak promote Jaffa to MUD superguru
Nov 09 16:28:49 <Jaffa> I don't get a company car that way, tho'
Nov 09 16:29:06 <zoran> Tak gonna give it to you, in digital form
Nov 09 16:29:06 <Jaffa> Besides there's a good MUD *team* now :)
Nov 09 16:29:11 <|R> nokia's n810 maemo device program are comming in!
Nov 09 16:30:12 <ab> yep, got one :-)
Nov 09 16:30:32 * Jaffa now wants a device.
Nov 09 16:30:52 <disq> yes, they're coming in
Nov 09 16:31:55 <|R> same here :)
Nov 09 16:35:24 <Sho_> got one too :)
Nov 09 16:41:08 <|R> Sho_ : it's 99E is that it ?
Nov 09 16:41:25 <|R> i wish it was 99$ USD at this point (being from .ca haha ;)
Nov 09 16:41:40 <sxpert-work> |R: haha
Nov 09 16:41:51 <Sho_> |R: I haven't gotten details yet ("We will send your discount and instructions as soon as the device is available in your selected shop (soon)."), but in the device program announcement it said 99€, yup
Nov 09 16:41:54 <Tak> |R: no different being from .us in that respect
Nov 09 16:42:05 <sxpert-work> yippie... been selected too ;-)
Nov 09 16:42:10 <|R> :)
Nov 09 16:42:13 <sxpert-work> thanks whoever :-)
Nov 09 16:42:35 * jott also cheers
Nov 09 16:42:47 <lardman> did anyone else's post have loads of pseudo html gobbledegook at the start?
Nov 09 16:43:02 <Sho_> not mine
Nov 09 16:44:13 <lardman> lol, it's a function trace
Nov 09 16:44:30 <Tak> nope
Nov 09 16:44:49 <lardman> anyone from Nokia on here who might want to see that the trace?
Nov 09 16:44:49 <Tak> there's a stack trace in the middle of the fceu page on downloads, though :-)
Nov 09 16:45:09 <|R> haha
Nov 09 16:46:16 <Tak> speaking of stack traces, I just got:  "ImageMagick: Image does not contain a geometry"
Nov 09 16:50:58 <maddler> Sho_: is your mail full of php errors?
Nov 09 16:51:14 <maddler> mine was classified as junk because of that...
Nov 09 16:51:16 <maddler> :)
Nov 09 16:52:12 <|R> are the 8GB miniSD cards out yet ?
Nov 09 16:52:35 <Tak> hm - is minisd hardware-back-compatible with rs-mmc?
Nov 09 16:52:47 <[31d1]> dammit opera
Nov 09 16:52:53 <|R> haha we are all wondering about n810 eh ;)
Nov 09 16:53:23 <lardman> maddler: mine was, I just sent it to the webmaster so they know about it
Nov 09 16:54:22 <lardman> and on that happy note I can happily knock off and go to the pub
Nov 09 16:54:26 <lardman> have a nice evening all
Nov 09 17:00:03 <Sho_> maddler: no, no PHP or HTML errors
Nov 09 17:00:32 <Sho_> maddler: Simple plain text with a headline and paragraph of text, that's that :)
Nov 09 17:00:42 * Jaffa 's missus *wants* me to buy a big media card for our holiday at the start of december
Nov 09 17:04:08 <bilboed> is the os/2008 firmware for n800 also released ?
Nov 09 17:04:14 <maddler> Sho_: doh... who kn ows :)
Nov 09 17:04:49 <Jaffa> bilboed: no, the N810's not available to buy yet. Just the codes gone out. Apparently the devices are in the distribution channels, tho
Nov 09 17:05:06 <maddler> bilboed: not yet... afaik...
Nov 09 17:05:07 <bilboed> Jaffa, I never mentionned anything about n810 in my question :)
Nov 09 17:05:23 <maddler> it should be released right after N810 is in shops...
Nov 09 17:05:31 <bilboed> maddler, ok
Nov 09 17:06:16 <bilboed> did maemo.org just die ? :)
Nov 09 17:06:50 <maddler> bilboed: looks so...
Nov 09 17:07:00 <maddler> I get a squid error...
Nov 09 17:09:17 <maddler> bilboed: but... i suspect that midgard's errors in my mail and site not being up... are somehow related...
Nov 09 17:10:47 <Jaffa> bilboed: sorry, I assumed you knew maddler's addendum.
Nov 09 17:18:22 <l7> so who's planning to buy then810?
Nov 09 17:18:43 <Jiten> not me.
Nov 09 17:19:36 <Jiten> gps + crappy keyboard just isn't worth the price difference with n800 so even if I hadn't bought it yet, I'd get n800
Nov 09 17:19:42 <Dibblah> Heh. Just discovered an interesting device. The eten M700.
Nov 09 17:20:16 <Dibblah> It's unremarkable apart from the fact it uses almost the same form-factor battery as the N770.
Nov 09 17:20:39 <Dibblah> And is 2400mAh as opposed to the 'default' 1300mAh.
Nov 09 17:20:58 <Tak> heh...almost?
Nov 09 17:21:07 <Dibblah> It's 3mm thicker than the default cell.
Nov 09 17:21:26 <Dibblah> ... But the battery bay in the N770 has 3mm of air behind it :)
Nov 09 17:21:27 <l7> everything else is unremarkable?
Nov 09 17:21:57 <Dibblah> So, I now have it in my N770, which appears to be working just fine.
Nov 09 17:22:00 <Jiten> that looks like a full blown n810 clone
Nov 09 17:22:24 <Dibblah> The batteries are fairly cheap as opposed to the Nokia ones, at least :)
Nov 09 17:22:30 <shi11> has anyone developed flash 9 apps for the n800?
Nov 09 17:22:52 <Jiten> except that it appears to be a phone too.
Nov 09 17:23:02 <l7> the oQo has the same form factors as the n810 too
Nov 09 17:23:20 <l7> form factor
Nov 09 17:23:30 <zoran> å/c
Nov 09 17:23:30 <Jiten> and of course, runs windows mobile.
Nov 09 17:23:40 <Dibblah> Of course, I needed to dismantle the existing cell + remantle it so the battery fuel guage works.
Nov 09 17:24:13 <l7> bleh, windows mobile = fail
Nov 09 17:24:58 <Dibblah> Still have to do the run-down test.
Nov 09 17:25:05 <Tak> heh - dismantle/reassemble doesn't sound like fun
Nov 09 17:25:12 <DRoBeR> "Windows *" uses to fail. ;P
Nov 09 17:25:29 <Dibblah> It's fine - Just needs a knife and a soldering iron.
Nov 09 17:25:41 <Dibblah> And plenty of due care and attention.
Nov 09 17:25:59 <Dibblah> It's amazing how much energy is in a recent cell :)
Nov 09 17:26:37 <nomis> Yay! /me has been accepted for the 810 device program.
Nov 09 17:26:46 <l7> i heard that the top row of keys in the n810 doesn't have enough clearance :\
Nov 09 17:27:04 <l7> so your fingers hit bottom of the screen
Nov 09 17:28:11 <Dibblah> Hopefully, this *should* now have about 5 hours of web browsing runtime.
Nov 09 17:31:27 <Dibblah> IMHO, it looks a little better than http://blog.russnelson.com/images/external-battery/kif_4869.jpg
Nov 09 17:33:42 <l7> is it possible to try out os2007 or os2008 on your desktop computer?
Nov 09 17:35:48 <L0cutus> Dibblah: did you know if it can run also as a n800 battery ?
Nov 09 17:38:15 <zoran> the same L0cutus as on gein.vistech?
Nov 09 17:39:28 <L0cutus> hem i doesn't know gein.**
Nov 09 17:39:56 <zoran> k, the same nick on vms cluster
Nov 09 17:40:16 <L0cutus> nono
Nov 09 17:40:21 <zoran> :)
Nov 09 17:40:37 <L0cutus> i'm Ita :)
Nov 09 17:41:06 <zoran> gein is remote node and accessible via ssh
Nov 09 17:41:14 <zoran> np
Nov 09 17:42:01 <alterego> I is accepted!
Nov 09 17:42:32 <alterego> Ended up in my junk folder O_O
Nov 09 17:50:07 <disq> ok. i demand 4 devices for testing. urgent! (bored)
Nov 09 17:50:22 * czr got only mail with "failure notice" in the subject
Nov 09 17:50:27 <czr> otoh, I didn't even apply :-)
Nov 09 17:50:37 <czr> so I guess even that should make me cheerful :-)
Nov 09 17:52:17 <|R> haha
Nov 09 17:53:20 <|R> ./maemo-sdk-install_4.0.sh
Nov 09 17:53:22 <|R> ...
Nov 09 17:53:28 <|R> Check for scratchbox sessions running...
Nov 09 17:53:28 <|R> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
Nov 09 17:53:33 <|R> ...
Nov 09 17:53:35 <|R> E: You must close your other scratchbox sessions first
Nov 09 17:53:36 <|R> E: Specify an alternative installation path using '-s PATH' option.
Nov 09 17:53:37 <|R> wth?
Nov 09 17:53:38 <_Monkey> wth is probably all that
Nov 09 17:53:44 <|R> ehhe
Nov 09 17:54:04 <|R> (first time installation, anyone care to comment? ;)
Nov 09 17:54:26 * DRoBeR is away: Connection reset by beer ^_^
Nov 09 17:54:42 <czr> connection reset by deer is better though.
Nov 09 17:54:57 <czr> them evil deerz.
Nov 09 18:01:16 * tigert enjoys Vagalume a lot
Nov 09 18:01:31 <Dibblah> L0cutus: No idea. It depends if there's space behind the battery bay.
Nov 09 18:01:52 <Dibblah> And that the owner of the N800 doesn't care about his warranty.
Nov 09 18:02:59 <L0cutus> hehe
Nov 09 18:04:19 <|R> wtf, no target selected in scratchbox : run sb-menu... sb-menu -> same warning...
Nov 09 18:06:13 <kaltsi> R: what's your distro?
Nov 09 18:06:47 <|R> Debian
Nov 09 18:07:00 <|R> lenny/sid (unstable)
Nov 09 18:07:20 <kaltsi> 32/64 bit?
Nov 09 18:07:24 <|R> 32
Nov 09 18:07:50 <|R> on a quad core.. kernel 2.6.23.. uhm
Nov 09 18:08:02 <kaltsi> haven't seen that before
Nov 09 18:08:11 <|R> hehe fun :)
Nov 09 18:08:18 <kaltsi> I wonder what it's trying to run at that time.. gotta check the script
Nov 09 18:08:41 <|R> yeah i'll try some debug
Nov 09 18:08:43 <|R> brb :)
Nov 09 18:12:15 <czr> looks like a library incompatibility thing. a serious one.
Nov 09 18:12:29 <czr> don't know whether it's host vs sbox or sbox vs target though.
Nov 09 18:12:41 <czr> |R, which arch do you run?
Nov 09 18:12:50 <|R> x86 (intel Q6600)
Nov 09 18:12:53 <czr> ah, you answered that already, sry
Nov 09 18:13:07 <kaltsi> the script is calling /scratchbox/tools/bin/sb-conf list --targets
Nov 09 18:13:46 <czr> |R, try running ldd from your host against that executable
Nov 09 18:13:50 <czr> and pastebin the results.
Nov 09 18:14:07 <|R> >ldd /scratchbox/tools/bin/sb-conf
Nov 09 18:14:07 <|R>         not a dynamic executable
Nov 09 18:14:14 <kaltsi> heh
Nov 09 18:14:17 <czr> uhm.
Nov 09 18:14:17 <|R> :P
Nov 09 18:14:26 <czr> it's a script? :-)
Nov 09 18:14:30 <czr> file /sc... ?
Nov 09 18:14:39 <kaltsi> it's probably python btw
Nov 09 18:14:47 <|R> python yes
Nov 09 18:14:57 <|R> links to inthebox
Nov 09 18:14:57 <czr> try running python /scratchbox/tools/...
Nov 09 18:15:11 <czr> ah. what's the first line of the script?
Nov 09 18:15:28 <czr> run ldd on that.
Nov 09 18:15:32 <|R>  #!/usr/bin/env python
Nov 09 18:15:40 <czr> ah. so it uses python from your real host
Nov 09 18:15:58 <|R> yep, python 2.4..
Nov 09 18:16:01 <czr> so the problem is not python. it's something that is run from within the script.
Nov 09 18:16:04 <|R> should i get another version?
Nov 09 18:16:11 * |R needs to learn python ;0
Nov 09 18:16:28 <czr> I don't think it's a python problem. ld.so doesn't care about python stuff.
Nov 09 18:16:52 <czr> it's something that is executed from the python script that fails to run because ld.so cannot process the program.
Nov 09 18:17:09 <czr> |R, did any of the older versions run?
Nov 09 18:17:13 <czr> on the same setup.
Nov 09 18:17:36 <|R> i tried installing for 3.2 but it was failing so i figured i'd wait for 4.0
Nov 09 18:17:40 <|R> but everything was removed
Nov 09 18:17:54 <kaltsi> it's also calling grep
Nov 09 18:17:58 <kaltsi> can you run 'grep' :)
Nov 09 18:18:04 <|R> hehe yes :)
Nov 09 18:18:22 <kaltsi> and wc
Nov 09 18:19:15 <|R> yes, i'm pretty sure all my basic shell comands are functional :|
Nov 09 18:19:36 <|R> I've been using the machine since june
Nov 09 18:19:40 <czr> 3.2 should work though.
Nov 09 18:19:41 <kaltsi> it's unstable :D
Nov 09 18:19:46 <|R> hehe
Nov 09 18:20:01 <czr> never had a problem with 3.2, although I only used with feisty. 4.0beta is fine with gutsy too.
Nov 09 18:20:09 <|R> urhm
Nov 09 18:20:16 <kaltsi> what happens if you run that sb-conf in a shell
Nov 09 18:20:21 <|R> i have gutsy on a laptop next to me... but the big machine is this one :(
Nov 09 18:20:32 <|R> >sb-conf
Nov 09 18:20:32 <|R> Inconsistency detected by ld.so: rtld.c: 1192: dl_main: Assertion `(void *) ph->p_vaddr == _rtld_local._dl_sysinfo_dso' failed!
Nov 09 18:20:32 <|R> You dont have active target in scratchbox chroot.
Nov 09 18:20:32 <|R> Please create one by running "sb-menu" before continuing
Nov 09 18:20:45 <|R> and then 3 more time the line with Inconsistency detected ...
Nov 09 18:20:47 <czr> |R, you can always use vmware and setup the environment there. that way using the sdk won't depend on the host stuff at all.
Nov 09 18:21:03 <czr> or some other virtualized env.
Nov 09 18:21:16 <|R> yeah i guess...
Nov 09 18:21:34 <kaltsi> the python is calling chroot
Nov 09 18:22:05 <czr> if you always run ldd on chroot then
Nov 09 18:22:36 <czr> ldd is good because it basically tells the linker to link up all of the program, like it normally would, but instead of starting __start, it will dump the names of the so:s and quit.
Nov 09 18:22:56 <czr> so if ldd works, it's pretty likely linking will succeed for a program (barring dynamic runtime linking with dlopen and stuff like that)
Nov 09 18:23:10 <|R> hehe LD_PRELOAD! ;)
Nov 09 18:23:28 <|R> but uhm, ldd is fine on chroot
Nov 09 18:23:36 <|R> nothing missing no where
Nov 09 18:24:03 <czr> LD_PRELOAD? you have one set now?
Nov 09 18:24:10 <disq> can't run xephyr in vncserver, interesting. segfault
Nov 09 18:24:31 <|R> hehe no, i was joking :)
Nov 09 18:25:12 <czr> |R, ah ok. you got me thinking about things :-)
Nov 09 18:25:36 <kaltsi> did you try just running python already?
Nov 09 18:26:16 <|R> i get the python prompt
Nov 09 18:26:21 <kaltsi> ok
Nov 09 18:26:23 <|R> >>>1+1
Nov 09 18:26:23 <|R> 2
Nov 09 18:26:24 <|R> :P
Nov 09 18:26:42 <Cord> \o/ N810 maemo submission accepted!
Nov 09 18:26:47 <Cord> :-)
Nov 09 18:26:49 <kaltsi> I wonder if strace would be able to tell something, or ltrace
Nov 09 18:26:57 <|R> they weren't shipping to canada eh?
Nov 09 18:27:09 <|R> i said france because i have family there but urhm, it's a pain ;)
Nov 09 18:27:22 <Tak> canad'eh?
Nov 09 18:27:27 <kaltsi> eh?
Nov 09 18:27:31 <|R> eh!
Nov 09 18:27:43 <|R> I'm french speaking actually, but i adapt to the country in english haha ;)
Nov 09 18:27:51 * Tak trying to learn french
Nov 09 18:27:58 <|R> :)
Nov 09 18:28:24 <|R> hola hexa :)
Nov 09 18:28:33 <hexa> hi , i'm looking for a list of the supported dsp codecs .. anyone would know where to find this ?
Nov 09 18:28:37 <hexa> |R: hey :)
Nov 09 18:28:47 <kaltsi> votre scratchbox est merde
Nov 09 18:28:54 <|R> kaltsi : haha yep!
Nov 09 18:29:08 <kaltsi> :P
Nov 09 18:29:23 <|R> ok, i'll start a thread on ITT, we'll see :|
Nov 09 18:29:36 <Tak> mon scratchbox?!
Nov 09 18:29:58 <|R> france version: ma scratchbox est merdique!
Nov 09 18:30:04 <kaltsi> google finds something with your error
Nov 09 18:30:13 <|R> quebec version: scratchbox c'est de la marde!
Nov 09 18:30:14 <kaltsi> related to scratchbox even
Nov 09 18:30:28 <|R> oh
Nov 09 18:30:31 <kaltsi> According to Daniel Stone, the kernel needs VDSO compat enabled in order to run Scratchbox.
Nov 09 18:30:34 <kaltsi> The Scratchbox runs on older kernel image.
Nov 09 18:30:42 <kaltsi> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/86457
Nov 09 18:30:51 <|R> if it's just a recompile...
Nov 09 18:30:54 <czr> kaltsi, sounds about right
Nov 09 18:31:09 <kaltsi> ahh the good old google
Nov 09 18:31:19 <|R> cheers to that :)
Nov 09 18:31:20 <czr> should sleep more, should've seen that from the message, bleh.
Nov 09 18:31:35 * |R go looking for a vdso compat option
Nov 09 18:31:53 <Cord> hmmm... how do i get my blog on Planet Maemo? This Midgardstuff is driving me nuts.
Nov 09 18:32:45 <Tak> hmm, how do we determine that our scratchbox is feminine? ;-)
Nov 09 18:33:22 <czr> Tak, without sounding sexist?
Nov 09 18:33:25 <|R> Tak : that doesn't make any sens in french, and i was laughting and used feminin for france and masculin for quebec as foreign words get adapted randomly depending on the local culture ;)
Nov 09 18:33:26 <czr> difficult :-)
Nov 09 18:33:55 <|R> even here... mtl will use more masculine, and quebec city, 200km north, will use feminin more
Nov 09 18:33:56 <|R> go figure
Nov 09 18:34:32 <Tak> I see
Nov 09 18:35:56 <|R> but... desk -> bureau and table -> table (same) ... you'll have "une table" but "un bureau"
Nov 09 18:36:17 <|R> so, well, it's pretty much a historic language thing i guess, that's the hardest thing to learn i guess
Nov 09 18:36:27 * |R guesses a lot
Nov 09 18:36:42 * |R brb -> looking for a VDSO option in the MENU!
Nov 09 18:54:09 <Luria> whats wrong with maemo.org? its slow and often dies.
Nov 09 18:54:17 <Luria> did someone release os2008 and not tell me?
Nov 09 18:55:26 <unit42> http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/maemo_4-0_chinook_released.html - "Today we are releasing the final version of the maemo 4.0 Chinook SDK, containing the full set of OS2008 APIs and some bugfixes from the beta version released on September. As announced previously, Chinook and OS2008 are both fully compatible with the Nokia N810 and N800. Developers should follow the release notes and installation instructions as usual. Check also the content
Nov 09 18:56:29 <Luria> i didnt think the sdk release would cause such traffic
Nov 09 18:57:05 <Luria> the firmware release will be painful
Nov 09 18:57:36 <Luria> 300k geeks all hitting the site with large pipes all at the same time.
Nov 09 18:58:18 * ds3 grumbles about OS2008 and N770 :/
Nov 09 18:59:16 <unit42> Did you participate in the N810 device program?
Nov 09 18:59:49 <czr> the server must be a small box.
Nov 09 18:59:59 <czr> the same server serves as the primary mx for the mailing lists as well.
Nov 09 19:00:15 <czr> which causes the problems in the ml delivery as well (out of sequence messages and long delays and such)
Nov 09 19:00:23 <czr> this was before the sdk release.
Nov 09 19:00:32 <czr> probably ml will suffer much more now.
Nov 09 19:00:41 <unit42> Hmm. Who operates / sponsors the server?
Nov 09 19:00:48 <czr> unit42, ericsson?
Nov 09 19:00:51 * czr hides and runs.
Nov 09 19:00:56 <czr> who do you think? :-)
Nov 09 19:01:27 <unit42> Bill G. or may be Steve J. ... :-)
Nov 09 19:02:45 <unit42> whois states "CiderCone Oy, FI"
Nov 09 19:03:24 <czr> ah, true.
Nov 09 19:05:34 <unit42> http://www.cidercone.com/ ... also active over here in Germany
Nov 09 19:05:39 <unit42> Dunno them.
Nov 09 19:06:09 <czr> I always thought that N (directly or indirectly) operated the site and the ml.
Nov 09 19:06:12 * czr shrugs
Nov 09 19:10:05 <tko> timeless: ?? "Opening the VKB for a <textarea> will probably ignore autocapitalization mode and just use lowercase. (Editor's note: this seems to be rocket science, and the APIs involved don't seem to be particularly useful/workable.)"
Nov 09 19:11:40 <X-Fade_> tko: you got to love comments like that :)
Nov 09 19:12:35 <tko> first time I hear it
Nov 09 19:13:25 <tko> but then again, I'm not too familiar with the IM stuff.. just accepting patches
Nov 09 19:26:24 <Luria> you know, i just thought of something.  the n810's gps better be really good, otherwise in store demos will be funny
Nov 09 19:26:44 <Luria> im thinking of the nyc flasgship store
Nov 09 19:27:31 <Luria> even if they walk someone outside (its not that big of a store), 57th st in midtown is quite challenging.
Nov 09 19:38:48 <czr> maybe they can afford to run a proper cable down to the store. I would imagine phones with gps have exactly the same problem anyway.
Nov 09 19:57:17 <Cord> :-)
Nov 09 19:57:26 <Cord> is it known what GPS-Chip it is?
Nov 09 20:00:12 <disq> probably what n95/whatever has
Nov 09 20:01:38 <|R> heh, VSDO did fix the SDK 4.0 install...
Nov 09 20:01:55 <kaltsi> good to hear :)
Nov 09 20:01:58 <|R> but now make-kpkg is broken so i can get my nvidia kernel module back up with the new kernel... so scratchbox is installed
Nov 09 20:02:11 <|R> but i'll need to wait for that to be fixed to go back to VSDO kernel haha ;)
Nov 09 20:02:21 <|R> )#cd /usr/src/linux-2.6.23
Nov 09 20:02:25 <|R> #make-kpkg
Nov 09 20:02:25 <|R> exec debian/rules  DEBIAN_REVISION=2.6.23-10.00.Custom
Nov 09 20:02:31 <|R>  /bin/sh: line 0: [: -ge: unary operator expected
Nov 09 20:02:40 <|R> etc for a couple of lines, with -ge -lt etc
Nov 09 20:02:41 <|R> wth :P
Nov 09 20:02:42 <|R> haha
Nov 09 20:02:48 * |R has a bad hair day it seems ;)
Nov 09 20:02:57 <kaltsi> does i have #!/bin/sh as the first line?
Nov 09 20:03:25 <|R> make-kpkg ?
Nov 09 20:03:30 <kaltsi> or well that may not matter.. someone is no using ""'s around a variable in test clause
Nov 09 20:03:42 <kaltsi> hmm who ate my t's?
Nov 09 20:04:00 <|R> sounds weird from a debian system command
Nov 09 20:04:56 <kaltsi> that's what I get when I write scripts and forget to enclose a variable in quotes and then it some data that has spaces in the variables
Nov 09 20:05:12 <|R> yeah i know ;|
Nov 09 20:07:17 <kaltsi> bohoo.. maybe you can have both if you run ubuntu with vmware in your lenny :)
Nov 09 20:07:56 <|R> hehee
Nov 09 20:08:21 <|R> I'm sure it's something as stupid as the vdso :|
Nov 09 20:08:41 <kaltsi> try google? :)
Nov 09 20:08:50 <|R> doing...
Nov 09 20:26:05 <|R> urhm
Nov 09 20:27:55 <Rask330> Has anyone ever heard of a decent FTP/SFTP client for the N800?
Nov 09 20:28:16 <Tak> heh, I built my own debs for gftp
Nov 09 20:28:29 <Rask330> gftp?
Nov 09 20:28:30 <Tak> but I wouldn't call the result decent
Nov 09 20:38:07 <|R> even weird, make-kpkg works in an old 2.6.21.5 tree... but not in my 2.6.23 tree (where i worked a month ago) after the new option/recompile (and some dist-upgrades i'm guessing...)
Nov 09 20:39:59 <|R> err weirder
Nov 09 20:44:38 <lopz> re
Nov 09 20:51:24 <|R> ok i fixed it... re did the whole kernel tree
Nov 09 20:54:28 <|R> reboooot! ;)
Nov 09 20:58:05 <FMz> So, I am now the proud owner of an  n800... and I put the wrong password in for our WLAN... and can't find how to change it.
Nov 09 20:58:25 <Luria> control panel/connections, iirc
Nov 09 20:59:04 <kaltsi> control panel/connectivity and then connections maybe.. then edit the access point
Nov 09 20:59:11 <FMz> It only lets me either connect or cancel
Nov 09 21:01:24 <tigert> Tools > connection manager or what it was?
Nov 09 21:01:36 <tigert> it has a list of saved connections
Nov 09 21:01:40 <tigert> you can delete or edit from there
Nov 09 21:01:45 <tigert> like kaltsi said
Nov 09 21:01:51 <derf> There's always gconf-editor.
Nov 09 21:02:20 <FMz> I'm there now, but can't see any way to edit... only try to connect
Nov 09 21:02:24 <FMz> First time it prompted me
Nov 09 21:02:39 <tigert> lemme get my n800 somewhere
Nov 09 21:03:32 <tigert> does it have tools -> connectivity settings in the top menu?
Nov 09 21:04:07 <FMz> You sir, are a star...
Nov 09 21:04:10 <tigert> or I fail to remember if OS2007 had connectivity settings in the top "go to internet" -menu?
Nov 09 21:04:15 <FMz> Found it.
Nov 09 21:04:18 <FMz> Thanks!
Nov 09 21:04:24 <tigert> since the stuff is a bit different / hopefully easier on OS2008
Nov 09 21:04:34 <tigert> and I didnt find my N800 for now
Nov 09 21:04:39 <tigert> I think I left it at work :/
Nov 09 21:04:44 <tigert> but good
Nov 09 21:07:54 <tbf> hmm. seems only positive notifications were sent for the n810 program, but no negative notifications?
Nov 09 21:08:44 <kaltsi> what notifications?
Nov 09 21:13:07 <kaltsi> ah device program notifications
Nov 09 21:18:36 <nelson> czr: of course, another possibility is to run gpsd for all applications, and for in-store applications, run against a gpsd which is simulating movement.
Nov 09 21:18:59 <czr> nelson, I'm so lucky that I don't manage the shop then ;-)
Nov 09 21:19:21 <czr> "oh give me a sec, something is wrong with the simulator" "no no, you're not inside a wall right now"..
Nov 09 21:20:01 <keesj> tools . control panel . network . connections .delete.
Nov 09 21:20:01 <keesj> that is vert deep
Nov 09 21:20:14 <kaltsi> hmm when will the first guy sue Nokia for turning into a river "because the n810 told me to turn there" :P
Nov 09 21:20:28 <keesj> very
Nov 09 21:20:33 <czr> kaltsi, depends on when n810 launches in the us.
Nov 09 21:20:45 <nelson> czr: gpsd has a feature where it will play back a GPS track.
Nov 09 21:21:14 <kaltsi> czr wasn't there a woman in UK who followed the directions into a lake too.. so better keep an eye out for UK also :)
Nov 09 21:21:32 * czr shrugs to all :-)
Nov 09 21:30:34 <tigert> http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1778911
Nov 09 21:30:38 <tigert> oops :)
Nov 09 21:30:43 <tigert> totally wrong channel :D
Nov 09 21:30:50 <tigert> but whatever, its friday and it kinda fits
Nov 09 21:49:04 <|R> ok!
Nov 09 21:49:05 <|R> fixed...
Nov 09 21:49:22 <|R> Turns out, make-kpkg can't stand having paravirtualisation on in the kernel's .config ... go figure
Nov 09 21:53:17 <ds3> now that 2008 is out, does 2008 support USB OTG?
Nov 09 21:54:40 <|R> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~] >  <- touchdown! ;)
Nov 09 21:55:32 <kaltsi> R: congrats! now nothing stands between you and the maemo killer app anymore :)
Nov 09 21:55:45 <|R> kaltsi : indeed!
Nov 09 21:56:03 <|R> Now, i need to put some WD40 on my coding skills ;)
Nov 09 21:57:00 <kaltsi> if it's of any help, the dev tools pages were revamped a bit and some new tools were made available: http://maemo.org/development/tools/
Nov 09 21:57:05 * |R getting xephyr
Nov 09 21:57:17 <|R> good :)
Nov 09 22:00:13 <|R> ok, should i get any binaries with this?
Nov 09 22:00:26 <|R> xephyr is running fine but all the menu are empty except for the hello world in control panel?
Nov 09 22:00:52 <kaltsi> I think that's it.. you need to fill it with apps
Nov 09 22:02:35 * |R wonders how to pop the thumb keyboard with a mouse :P
Nov 09 22:02:50 <czr> |R, the vdso thingy fixed it?
Nov 09 22:03:04 <czr> |R, you need to click on an text input field.
Nov 09 22:03:17 <czr> unless VKB is missing for 4.0 SDK proper release like it was in the beta.
Nov 09 22:03:24 <|R> czr : yeah for scratchbox part... but i had to figure out that make-kpkg (for redoing the nvidia module) was incompatible with paravirtualisation in .config :)
Nov 09 22:03:48 <|R> czr : if i click on a text input in get the keyboard, but the stylus one
Nov 09 22:03:56 <|R> czr : (not that important mind you, just wondering ;)
Nov 09 22:04:20 <czr> ah. hmm. don't remember.
Nov 09 22:04:44 <|R> ah, still a red pill hehe
Nov 09 22:05:56 <tko> |R: you can configure IM so that select key always pops up the fullscreen keyboard. not sure if it's possible with mouse. maybe with middle-button
Nov 09 22:08:34 * |R needs an xterm ;)
Nov 09 22:08:43 <czr> osso-xterm thingy
Nov 09 22:09:32 <|R> yep
Nov 09 22:09:48 <|R> it's not in apt-cache search, i guess i should get the bora one?
Nov 09 22:09:58 <|R> oh wait, i need x86 binaries ?
Nov 09 22:10:16 <czr> yes. don't use the ARMEL for anything else but building software
Nov 09 22:10:25 <|R> k
Nov 09 22:10:27 <czr> (there are known issues with it currently)
Nov 09 22:10:59 <kaltsi> osso-xterm is on the device by default
Nov 09 22:11:19 <czr> kaltsi, it is? IT2008, right?
Nov 09 22:11:22 <kaltsi> yep
Nov 09 22:11:26 <czr> finally.
Nov 09 22:11:30 * czr yays
Nov 09 22:11:32 <|R> :D
Nov 09 22:11:37 <Atarii> which version?
Nov 09 22:11:39 <|R> geekness for the people!
Nov 09 22:11:41 <|R> :P
Nov 09 22:12:01 <|R> but it doesn't come with the SDK it seems
Nov 09 22:12:12 <|R> find / -name *xterm only returns termcaps etc
Nov 09 22:12:14 <czr> apt-cache search xterm
Nov 09 22:12:22 <|R> only finds ncurses-base
Nov 09 22:12:23 <kaltsi> it's based on maemo hackers version
Nov 09 22:12:39 <|R> so everyone will get an xterm in their menu?
Nov 09 22:12:54 <kaltsi> R it's not in the sdk repository because it's on the device already
Nov 09 22:13:19 <czr> kaltsi, err. there's no xterm with the sdk?
Nov 09 22:13:25 <|R> kaltsi : ok si if i want to use it in the SDK..?
Nov 09 22:13:27 <suihkulokki> I thought this was supposed to be a more mainstream (as opposed to geek) device than the previous edition :)
Nov 09 22:13:30 <czr> that's plain silly.
Nov 09 22:14:07 <kaltsi> yep no xterm there.. do file an enhancement request and it will probably be there :)
Nov 09 22:14:19 <|R> argh :P
Nov 09 22:14:31 <czr> silly.
Nov 09 22:14:44 * |R wonders why the SDK isn't setuped like the real thing .. 
Nov 09 22:14:44 <kaltsi> the bugzilla is nothing to phear about..
Nov 09 22:15:06 <czr> |R, because it's not a device emulator?
Nov 09 22:15:09 <czr> it's an SDK?
Nov 09 22:15:40 <|R> uhm, ok, i'm new to all this ;)
Nov 09 22:15:47 <czr> OTOH, it would be very nice if it even would contain some of the stuff on the device. but it doesn't.
Nov 09 22:16:25 <kaltsi> there are all kinds of funny/frustrating legal reasons why a lot of the things can't be in the sdk
Nov 09 22:16:42 <|R> ok
Nov 09 22:17:07 <czr> I wonder how android will deal with this issue though.
Nov 09 22:21:40 <|R> uhm actually it seems that i'm running arm binaries
Nov 09 22:21:54 <czr> what's the prompt like?
Nov 09 22:22:00 <kaltsi> R if you have the ARMEL target then yes.. change to i386 :)
Nov 09 22:23:05 <|R> uh urhm! :P
Nov 09 22:23:14 * |R is in sb-menu which he heard of somewhere ... :P
Nov 09 22:23:57 <|R> ahh here you go :)
Nov 09 22:24:47 <tko> czr: I'm expecting normal cross-compilation
Nov 09 22:25:30 <tko> when you don't have tons of random autohell things to build, cross-compilation the normal way probably just work
Nov 09 22:25:33 <czr> tko, I'm more interested in whether there will be an SDK targetted at 3rd party directly, or just some kind of framework for people to possibly build SDKs.
Nov 09 22:25:41 * czr nods
Nov 09 22:25:49 <czr> but I guess we'll all see soon.
Nov 09 22:25:54 <suihkulokki> tko: android apps are java methinks -> no crosscompiling probs :P
Nov 09 22:26:05 <czr> eww
Nov 09 22:26:08 <tko> I'm waiting until Monday
Nov 09 22:32:50 <|R> uhm, trying to configure http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/o/osso-xterm/osso-xterm_0.14.mh1.tar.gz & make ;)
Nov 09 22:32:59 <|R> but configure says i don't have VTE :| (wth?)
Nov 09 22:34:42 <kaltsi> you'd need libvte4-dev or something
Nov 09 22:35:24 <|R> these are needed in my system or in scratchbox?
Nov 09 22:35:52 <kaltsi> depends if you're trying to compile it in scratchbox?
Nov 09 22:35:59 <kaltsi> in that case it needs to be there :)
Nov 09 22:36:03 <|R> ok :)
Nov 09 22:36:11 <|R> I'm starting to get it ;)
Nov 09 22:36:36 <kaltsi> in chinook all the sdk stuff is not compilable yet.. that's a requirement candidate for the next sdk release
Nov 09 22:37:17 <|R> what do you mean?
Nov 09 22:37:54 <kaltsi> I mean that you can use the sdk to develop your own software just fine, but you can't recompile all the programs in the sdk with the packages that come with the sdk
Nov 09 22:38:26 <|R> oh, as in, the basic library have to be installed by hand etc...?
Nov 09 22:39:44 <kaltsi> hmm I didn't get that.. :)
Nov 09 22:40:29 <|R> uhm
Nov 09 22:41:01 <|R> i mean, i don't understand... if you can compile your own stuff, what is the difference with the sdk stuff ? (unless it's a proprietary binary?)
Nov 09 22:41:11 <kaltsi> it's hard to say when I don't have a concrete example of something but it goes somehow like this: SDK provides a package X which depends on libY.. package libY is in the SDK so that you can install and run X, but package libY-dev is not in SDK, so you cannot recompile X
Nov 09 22:41:28 <|R> oh ok
Nov 09 22:41:39 <|R> but i could add libY-dev by hand
Nov 09 22:41:48 <kaltsi> BUT the sources to libY are with the SDK so you can recompile libY and het libY-dev and add that yourself.. yes
Nov 09 22:41:57 <kaltsi> s/het/get
Nov 09 22:42:08 <|R> ok, good
Nov 09 22:42:12 <|R> :)
Nov 09 22:42:26 * |R is going to have to finish this sunday evening/monday... running away for the weekend
Nov 09 22:42:43 <kaltsi> hav fun :)
Nov 09 22:42:45 <|R> Well thanks for all your help (everyone!) :)
Nov 09 22:42:49 <|R> you too :)
Nov 09 22:43:00 <czr> |R, welcome to the club.
Nov 09 22:43:05 <|R> :)
Nov 09 22:43:14 <czr> now you'll understand much more of the ironical things on this channel ;-)
Nov 09 22:43:20 <czr> or maybe not yet. but soon.
Nov 09 22:43:20 <|R> haha
Nov 09 22:43:36 <czr> |R, did you sub to the mailing list yet?
Nov 09 22:43:45 <|R> no?
Nov 09 22:43:49 <czr> maemo-devel?
Nov 09 22:43:52 <czr> subscribe to it
Nov 09 22:44:02 <czr> a lot of the new software is announced there.
Nov 09 22:44:06 <|R> ok :)
Nov 09 22:59:12 <FMz> Hrmm... can't find Xterm in the application list... =/
Nov 09 22:59:53 * czr hibernaes ->
Nov 09 23:00:06 <czr> s/naes/nates/
Nov 09 23:01:49 <FMz> Any ideas why there aren't any terminals installable?
Nov 09 23:07:16 <daniels> http://www.google.com/search?q=osso-xterm
Nov 09 23:07:49 <playya> is the maemo file manager closed source?
Nov 09 23:07:55 <p|> is possible to use php with a webserver on n800 ?
Nov 09 23:08:05 <daniels> playya: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/source/h/hildon-fm/
Nov 09 23:08:14 <daniels> p|: no
Nov 09 23:08:19 <daniels> (by which i mean, yes.)
Nov 09 23:08:25 <playya> ahhh
Nov 09 23:08:30 <playya> hildon fm
Nov 09 23:08:33 <playya> i remember
Nov 09 23:09:41 <tko> playya: the app is, but the bulk of the code is in hildon-fm anyway
Nov 09 23:09:56 <playya> ok
Nov 09 23:10:23 <playya> is there a function/method to get the list of file in vfs?
Nov 09 23:38:41 <Jiten> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0awjPUkBXOU the comment at the end cracked me up :)
Nov 09 23:52:43 <p|> :-O  :   http://n800.gotdns.org/index.php
Nov 09 23:52:45 <p|> :)
Nov 10 00:37:34 <rhykin> when is os2008 suppose to release?
Nov 10 00:39:15 <astro76> mid November, when the i810 is available for sale
Nov 10 00:39:21 <astro76> n810
Nov 10 00:39:46 <tko> "real soon now" ?
Nov 10 00:40:06 <Luria> 15th is the most likely date i've heard, fwiw
Nov 10 00:41:53 <rhykin> i hope they improve EAS-TLS support :(
Nov 10 00:43:38 <astro76> I'm wondering if it will support dynamic WEP
Nov 10 00:45:04 <rhykin> EAP-TLS*
Nov 10 00:45:10 <rhykin> that took awhile..
Nov 10 01:01:15 <lopz> re
Nov 10 01:01:16 <db48x> I need a stylus that will light up and beep when I press a button on my n800
Nov 10 01:02:28 <rhykin> lol
Nov 10 01:05:44 <l7> I need a stylus that will make pancakes
Nov 10 01:09:07 <ds3> shouldn't be too hard to make a lightup stylus ;)
Nov 10 01:11:58 <rhykin> is there a way to specify a ca certificate
Nov 10 01:12:06 <rhykin> maybe in a config file?
Nov 10 01:12:31 <rhykin> i can choose a user certificate with the gui, but i dont know where it stores the configuratio information for the cartificates/wireless setups
Nov 10 01:14:17 <rhykin> can anyone enlighten me? :)
Nov 10 01:15:10 <shackan> rhykin: you can import certificates from the control panel
Nov 10 01:15:38 <rhykin> shackan: right
Nov 10 01:16:09 <rhykin> shackan: however, when I'm trying to connect to a EAP-TLS wireless network, i would need to let the configuration know what CA certificate to use
Nov 10 01:16:27 <rhykin> shackan: it allows me to choose the user certificate (in the gui) but not the ca certificate
Nov 10 01:16:31 <shackan> oh
Nov 10 01:16:47 <shackan> rhykin: I've got the same problem with PEAP authentication :(
Nov 10 01:16:59 <rhykin> heh, damn
Nov 10 01:17:17 <rhykin> there's no configuration that maemo sets up when you create a wireless configuration?
Nov 10 01:17:48 <shackan> yes, of course
Nov 10 01:18:19 <shackan> I remember reading a backup and finding out it's stored in some gconf keys
Nov 10 01:19:13 <shackan> maybe you can install gconf editor and see for yourself (that's just what I remember tough, not really sure about it)
Nov 10 01:19:48 <rhykin> k
Nov 10 01:21:01 * db48x swears a bit at his n800
Nov 10 01:23:00 <rhykin> shackan: heh, now i have to find a way to install it
Nov 10 01:24:05 <rhykin> downloads.maemo.org was just revamped wasnt it
Nov 10 01:24:40 <Luria> if revamped means really slow, then yeah :-)
Nov 10 01:24:46 <rhykin> haha
Nov 10 01:25:10 <Luria> plus lots of broken tcp connects, certainly.
Nov 10 01:27:49 <rhykin> now
Nov 10 01:27:59 <rhykin> is there any way to get programs to install on the sd card
Nov 10 01:28:01 <rhykin> and not the internal memory?
Nov 10 01:39:47 <rhykin> also, does becomeroot work for the n800's?
Nov 10 01:39:52 <rhykin> since its os'06?
Nov 10 02:07:11 <rhykin> nvm
Nov 10 02:12:19 <ds3> has there been any progress with the 770/800 GPL wifi driver using the freemac stuff since  Apr 2006?
Nov 10 02:25:55 <NeoStrider> hello folks
Nov 10 02:35:31 <|R> anyone has any estimate on the discount availability?
Nov 10 02:35:39 <|R> (and the shipping speed afterward...)
Nov 10 02:36:24 <|R> (anyone else applied, got it, but is not in a listed country and is going to ship it to a friend? ;)
Nov 10 02:41:13 <ds3> hmmm I seem to be stumping everyone today :(
Nov 10 02:43:05 <|R> :(
Nov 10 02:43:13 <|R> i wish there was one, but i can't help on the matter :(
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