**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 15 02:59:57 2007 Nov 15 03:19:11 zerojay: fixed it in svn. dpkg -i should work tho Nov 15 03:34:02 SPO QBVM!!!! Nov 15 03:34:25 ooh new mce settings Nov 15 03:34:26 sexy Nov 15 03:34:54 Yeah Nov 15 03:35:03 Make sure to change the "offline" settings Nov 15 03:35:10 the new ones don't jive with the old ones. Nov 15 03:35:39 Somebody hax up something cool to do with the double-click. Nov 15 03:43:04 couldn't get doubleclick to work Nov 15 03:45:48 I didn't work the first time I tried it. Nov 15 03:45:56 Then, somehow, it worked later. Nov 15 03:45:57 Dunno Nov 15 03:46:05 I currently have both longpress and double set to soft power Nov 15 03:47:32 softpoweroff doesn't lock the screen now? Nov 15 03:47:57 Does for me. Nov 15 03:48:12 i even hear the click sounds Nov 15 03:52:36 disq: Cool. Nov 15 04:08:59 erm. just got initfs running. booted bora with chinook kernel/initfs Nov 15 04:09:17 of course it also runs 400mhz Nov 15 04:09:56 no wlan though Nov 15 04:10:09 mine was also very unstable Nov 15 04:10:18 wireless doesn't work but i don't really care since it's only for testing stuff like "did i break kagu on bora while fixing it for chinook" etc Nov 15 04:10:35 oh I used mine also :) Nov 15 04:11:54 couldn't test how fast maemomapper has become, too lazy to reconfigure repositories (moved bora to mmc) Nov 15 04:14:38 * disq installs plankton Nov 15 04:17:47 wow, plankton is pretty neat on 2008, Nov 15 04:21:05 http://www.biblelife.org/evolution.htm Nov 15 04:21:07 I loled Nov 15 04:21:49 Wait, Plankton works for 2008? Nov 15 04:22:02 It's in extras, I think. Nov 15 04:22:44 i switched back to glasser. sorry, but i miss the orange Nov 15 04:25:12 WTH: "Disconnect charger from power supply to save energy" Nov 15 04:25:21 There has GOT to be a way to turn that nonsense off. :\ Nov 15 04:28:06 wow,my Juk in KDE all sound great with 2008 OS Nov 15 04:28:49 it used to distort when draggin windows Nov 15 04:29:27 does 2008 OS for 810 add any functionality to USB on n800? Nov 15 04:31:49 in Kinfocenter it shows ""MUSB HDRC host driver" USB 2.00 Nov 15 04:32:11 probably, new kernel and all Nov 15 04:33:41 so host support out of the box, I will have to go test Nov 15 04:49:45 I really hate device lust Nov 15 04:50:00 Ha Nov 15 04:50:05 how did they make me want a N810 Nov 15 04:50:18 Drugs Nov 15 04:50:23 it was the damn shiny pics Nov 15 04:50:38 The 770 shipped with a small aerosol to be activated by Nokia at the right time. Nov 15 04:50:44 hehe Nov 15 04:51:00 i liked your comments on the n900 thread GeneralAntilles Nov 15 04:52:03 Thanks Nov 15 04:52:10 I have wasted so.. much... damn... time trying to get things faster on 770 Nov 15 04:52:16 and now it's all pointless Nov 15 04:53:05 But it's all good. I'll draw the line and from now on it will be 2420 and beyond Nov 15 04:53:23 You ought to just wait for the N900. Nov 15 04:53:49 they gave me a code for 810 so i can afford it Nov 15 04:53:55 Ah, right. Nov 15 04:53:58 Nevermind, then. Nov 15 04:53:59 'grats Nov 15 04:54:16 i'm so grateful Nov 15 04:55:33 it just kills me that i am not a good programmer Nov 15 04:55:44 Ha Nov 15 04:57:41 it's totally sick how much time i need to do simple stuff Nov 15 04:58:24 but with the n810 and cheaper n800 i think we will get more talented people involved Nov 15 04:58:31 <|R> I just went through the whole 500 people list Nov 15 04:58:44 The platform is growing by leaps and bounds Nov 15 04:58:58 <|R> to see who had personal/business web sites... many interesting people from research/linux distros/embedded devs/OpenMoko fans, etc :) Nov 15 04:59:00 not only will we get the devs with that, but others will be attracted by the userbase Nov 15 04:59:15 agree GeneralAntilles Nov 15 04:59:29 it is a competition for minds Nov 15 04:59:36 <|R> indeed... Nov 15 05:00:02 Nokia's got a big head start in the market Nov 15 05:00:05 lets hope they can hold it. Nov 15 05:00:35 <|R> Any idea what the n* user base is? Nov 15 05:00:42 <|R> (what size that is...) Nov 15 05:00:49 i'm trying to convince the gp2x guys that they should hook up with maemo/itos.. Nov 15 05:00:51 Not counting 770 users? :P Nov 15 05:01:02 <|R> both numbers if you can :) Nov 15 05:01:13 they're all a bunch of hackers who have no clue about the work that has been done on this side Nov 15 05:01:22 (770 isn't an N-series device ;)) Nov 15 05:01:31 But, no, we don't have any good numbers on the userbase Nov 15 05:01:45 but those guys have the best emulator developers Nov 15 05:01:51 Probably a few estimates with maemo and other 3rd party repo numbers. Nov 15 05:02:03 if the craigulator goes with maemo, then we combine forces Nov 15 05:02:20 the craigulator will be like a n810 with gaming controls and omap3430 and opengl Nov 15 05:02:27 Yeah, actually, as long as maemo stays strong Nov 15 05:02:35 be nice to see more manufacturer's adopt it. Nov 15 05:02:50 exactement Nov 15 05:03:15 i need to get a line to the producer and give him the maemo smack-down Nov 15 05:03:40 so what devices are nokia's tablet competitors? Nov 15 05:03:46 gphone? Nov 15 05:04:00 Honestly? Right now? Nothing. Nov 15 05:04:02 ipod touch (ha ha) Nov 15 05:04:28 psp seemed to have a large userbase of hackers... Nov 15 05:04:33 Some would argue that the iPhone/iPod is a competitor, and maybe the Archos lineup Nov 15 05:04:36 sony really blew that opportunity imho Nov 15 05:04:38 but neither of those compare Nov 15 05:04:42 <|R> depends if you go by price / feature / market / ... Nov 15 05:04:46 No kidding Nov 15 05:04:57 I don't get why they tried to stomp out homebrew so hard Nov 15 05:05:02 they should've embraced it Nov 15 05:05:16 <|R> Sony are a bunch of morons always trying to push proprietary crap Nov 15 05:05:18 yeah, well... sony has a history of being paranoid Nov 15 05:05:35 about openness Nov 15 05:05:38 remember the minidisc? Nov 15 05:05:48 <|R> or they memory stick? Nov 15 05:05:49 <|R> their Nov 15 05:05:55 ugh memory stick Nov 15 05:06:05 <|R> or anything they've put out in the last 20 years? :P Nov 15 05:06:14 stupid, proprietary, overpriced Nov 15 05:06:35 <|R> they're like apple basically... Nov 15 05:06:49 Pfft Nov 15 05:06:50 it's kinda said because sony does make neat stuff now and then Nov 15 05:07:02 Apple is nothing like Sony. Nov 15 05:07:08 Apple actually puts out cool stuff. ;) Nov 15 05:07:32 Their CRT TVs are the only good thing they put out these days. Nov 15 05:07:36 <|R> Sony has some pretty cool stuff now and then, they're just in some many markets that it gets flooded under loads of crap Nov 15 05:07:46 <|R> some/so Nov 15 05:08:09 <|R> well i don't have example as i got fed up with them and stoped following but ;) Nov 15 05:08:19 apple was a good record label Nov 15 05:08:30 <|R> haha Nov 15 05:08:34 good in pie too Nov 15 05:09:23 * |R misses the gay supporting apple logo Nov 15 05:09:29 Ha Nov 15 05:09:33 I miss the Happy Mac. :( Nov 15 05:09:56 <|R> haha yeah! Nov 15 05:10:18 it must be taken now. not in 4 weeks. not in 2008 Nov 15 05:10:43 re Nov 15 05:10:49 <|R> what must? Nov 15 05:11:03 actually i remember now that the PSP units didn't make much $ for sony Nov 15 05:11:15 i think their revenue stream was from the games Nov 15 05:11:28 they should have embraced homebrew instead of trying to lock it out Nov 15 05:11:35 bad decision Nov 15 05:11:37 Yeah, that was stupid. Nov 15 05:11:37 yeah i agree Nov 15 05:11:49 how would they make money though? Nov 15 05:11:49 Especially seeing how hard the homebrew guys are working to get in Nov 15 05:11:54 hardware Nov 15 05:11:55 <_Monkey> i think hardware is the same as far as i can make out Nov 15 05:12:00 updated hardware Nov 15 05:12:05 imagine if that effort had gone to real work? Nov 15 05:12:14 they could have made a pretty penny on keyboards :) Nov 15 05:12:30 They could've made money off the movies, too, if they were priced somewhat reasonably Nov 15 05:12:34 many people will still buy the software and movies Nov 15 05:12:36 PSP hardware is still pretty nice i think, in terms of graphics processing Nov 15 05:12:51 yeah, larger userbase = more sales Nov 15 05:13:08 anyone have an idea how much money nokia makes off each n800 or n810? Nov 15 05:13:13 its all about marketshare Nov 15 05:13:23 i mean i'm going to buy the n800 Nov 15 05:13:38 but i'm not sure i really want anything else nokia makes for accessories Nov 15 05:13:47 maybe the case, but proporta looks better Nov 15 05:13:49 GeneralAntilles: They want to embrace homebrew. In fact, they were the first company to embrace homebrew with both the PS1 and PS2. The reason why they can't on the PSP is that they have no way of sandboxing user applications. Any user app can pretty much brick the firmware if it wanted to. Nov 15 05:13:52 I cant wait to get 810 in my hands Nov 15 05:14:02 * |R still uses the original n800's case Nov 15 05:14:04 penguinbait: Agreed. Nov 15 05:14:14 l7 - open source must destroy evil Nov 15 05:14:29 pupnik_: for great justice! :) Nov 15 05:14:31 the tablets are just a vehicle in the holy jihad Nov 15 05:14:33 we can hope Nov 15 05:14:34 exactly Nov 15 05:14:38 Hahaha Nov 15 05:14:40 <|R> haha :D Nov 15 05:14:44 lol, linux jihad Nov 15 05:14:49 <|R> the embedded intifadah! Nov 15 05:14:59 get the penguin a machine gun :) Nov 15 05:15:15 my friends wrote a song under a major label in 1993 called 'techno jihad' Nov 15 05:15:16 or a tank Nov 15 05:15:18 i'll share it sometime Nov 15 05:15:19 I wonder how many FBI agents are on there way to this room? Nov 15 05:15:21 <|R> http://www.stillebacher.at/wp-content/uploads/image/tux_machine_gun.JPG Nov 15 05:15:22 penguinrace with tanks? Nov 15 05:15:33 s/penguinrace/penguinracer Nov 15 05:15:35 * GeneralAntilles runs is circles screaming about the gubmint. Nov 15 05:15:36 The penguin is the bait! Nov 15 05:15:41 <|R> http://www.xptheme.info/csh/wallpapers/200xHI_tux_com_arma_3d_1024x768.jpg Nov 15 05:15:43 <|R> or this ;) Nov 15 05:15:46 lol Nov 15 05:15:54 the penguin is everywhere! Nov 15 05:16:12 <|R> just do tux+gun on google image :P Nov 15 05:16:16 tux rules! Nov 15 05:16:21 you know the only thing that is better than linux is the BSD babe Nov 15 05:16:35 <|R> haha... Nov 15 05:16:40 <|R> we're getting into geek pr0n subjects.. Nov 15 05:16:42 Woo! http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c5/Happy_Mac.png Nov 15 05:16:49 <|R> :D Nov 15 05:17:23 <|R> http://www.stileproject.com/lls.html <- absolutely NSFW but as far as Linux/BSD chicks goes, it's a nice collection ;) Nov 15 05:18:09 heh, i wonder who bankrolled the bsd babe Nov 15 05:18:26 http://blog.koehntopp.de/uploads/ceren_ercen.jpg her name is ceren and she really used bsd Nov 15 05:18:51 my mind keeps scrambling bsd into another acronym Nov 15 05:19:00 sbd? Nov 15 05:19:04 <|R> lsd ? Nov 15 05:19:06 er no Nov 15 05:19:08 haha Nov 15 05:19:14 bodalicous sexy dominatrix Nov 15 05:19:18 <|R> well, berkeley, you know ;) Nov 15 05:20:16 http://su2.info/graphics/gnu_tux/gnu_tux-320x240.png Nov 15 05:20:22 this one would make stallman happier Nov 15 05:20:33 <|R> haha Nov 15 05:20:36 see... the babe pics do not compare to device lust Nov 15 05:20:44 that is the horrible thing Nov 15 05:20:47 <|R> makes me want to use them in a happy tree friend like scenario Nov 15 05:21:13 <|R> pupnik_ : screwed as a species we are ;) Nov 15 05:21:15 pupnik_: heh, it depends on the babe Nov 15 05:21:25 l8r Nov 15 05:21:32 <|R> it depends of where that babe is related to me ;) Nov 15 05:21:48 maybe nokia needs to hire an n810 babe for marketing Nov 15 05:21:55 ceren Nov 15 05:22:10 not sum dum bimbo Nov 15 05:22:17 a girl who can program bash Nov 15 05:22:24 that would kick ass Nov 15 05:23:23 <|R> haha, i listened to too much nerdcore today to not find this funny :P Nov 15 05:23:51 what's nerdcore? Nov 15 05:24:00 * l7 imagines it sounds like drum and bass Nov 15 05:24:13 <|R> i wish, but it's more like hip-hop nerd style Nov 15 05:24:14 its like rap for nerds Nov 15 05:24:15 <|R> it's pretty funny Nov 15 05:24:17 yeah Nov 15 05:24:35 nerd hip-hop Nov 15 05:24:50 <|R> try to get MC Plus+ - Chip Hop Nerd Nov 15 05:25:14 <|R> Cord: 1337 G33K B3At - Emulation Station Nov 15 05:25:34 <|R> Cord = or Nov 15 05:25:39 oh Nov 15 05:25:49 like Weird Al's Nerd White Guy song? Nov 15 05:25:57 you fail to see how cool a name ceren is Nov 15 05:25:59 <|R> Futuristic Sex Robotz has some funny stuff too (and some pretty bad ;) Nov 15 05:26:25 it could be a corporation of ult.. well nokia is a good name too Nov 15 05:26:38 but ceren could dominate genetics Nov 15 05:27:00 shit, this channel is logged Nov 15 05:27:15 oh yeah, i forgot :\ Nov 15 05:27:46 well, it'll make some funny reading when someone finds it with google... Nov 15 05:28:09 <|R> hehe Nov 15 05:28:30 <|R> I keep finding myself when searching stuff for maemo haha Nov 15 05:28:43 <|R> l7 : what's the other weird al song with computer chips etc ? Nov 15 05:29:03 |R: hrm, i'm not sure Nov 15 05:29:10 that one that's "All about the pentiums"> Nov 15 05:29:11 i just know about the other one from youtube Nov 15 05:29:21 haha, sounds funny Nov 15 05:29:48 all about the x86s maybe Nov 15 05:29:54 <|R> ah yes, "It's all about the pentium" Nov 15 05:30:10 <|R> oops, lagging ;) Nov 15 05:31:04 <|R> whatchya wanna do? wanna be hackers? code crackers? slackers? :P Nov 15 05:31:06 Just a little less than 2 weeks until I get my N810. *sigh* seems so far. Nov 15 05:31:25 <|R> captlloyd : from ? :) Nov 15 05:31:56 mobilecityonline.com Nov 15 05:32:16 <|R> ok :) Nov 15 05:32:58 I got a 4GB MiniSD for it from buy.com for real cheap. Nov 15 05:33:44 how much? Nov 15 05:33:48 off brand? Nov 15 05:34:04 <|R> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKtlK7sn0JQ <- haha never saw this one Nov 15 05:34:14 <|R> WeirdAl / eBay Nov 15 05:34:18 Kingston, I think they're less than $27 right now Nov 15 05:34:33 $10 off if you area first time user of google checkout Nov 15 05:34:56 captlloyd: hrm, $17 + free shipping is alright Nov 15 05:35:06 why not just get an 8gb though? Nov 15 05:35:19 Couldn't find one Nov 15 05:35:21 anywhere Nov 15 05:35:37 newegg has those transend 8gbs iirc... Nov 15 05:35:41 Oooh Nov 15 05:35:51 how much? Nov 15 05:35:59 <|R> miniSD ? Nov 15 05:36:00 about $60 Nov 15 05:36:02 oh Nov 15 05:36:05 SD Nov 15 05:36:11 <|R> k.. Nov 15 05:36:12 boooooo Nov 15 05:36:15 not miniSD, sorry Nov 15 05:36:22 Ahh Nov 15 05:36:24 i tend to selectively misread sometimes :) Nov 15 05:36:28 <|R> haven't seen anything > than 4GB on MiniSD but you can get 6 and 8GB microSD Nov 15 05:36:29 <|R> go figure Nov 15 05:36:35 <|R> miniSD is dead format :| Nov 15 05:36:42 miniSD is really not very popular Nov 15 05:36:46 <|R> (but hey, it works with microSD as long as you get an adapter with it...) Nov 15 05:36:55 how was the guy who did the n810 video on internettablettalk? Nov 15 05:37:06 he seemed to have micro to minisd adapter Nov 15 05:37:18 s/how/who Nov 15 05:37:22 <|R> 8GB go for around 100$ Nov 15 05:37:30 <|R> reggie i guess? Nov 15 05:40:26 * |R wonders when he'll be able to use the coupon code Nov 15 05:40:43 what code? Nov 15 05:40:43 <_Monkey> code is clean, simple Nov 15 05:40:56 <|R> developer rebate program Nov 15 05:41:04 ah Nov 15 05:41:14 i thought it would be out by now Nov 15 05:41:23 <|R> i wish Nov 15 05:42:14 <|R> downloadable ringtones: No <- haha Nov 15 05:42:18 hrm one feature of the n810's that i would like is the kickstand with multiple positions Nov 15 05:42:27 heh Nov 15 05:42:39 <|R> it only has one? Nov 15 05:42:54 i thought the n800 only has one kickstand "setting" Nov 15 05:42:58 <|R> 2 Nov 15 05:43:01 oh Nov 15 05:43:03 not bad Nov 15 05:43:09 n810 has 3? Nov 15 05:43:12 Right. Nov 15 05:43:14 <|R> no clue Nov 15 05:43:15 n900 will have 4! Nov 15 05:43:21 <|R> hehe Nov 15 05:43:53 <|R> they should make an ad selling the tablet on that strong point! Nov 15 05:44:08 <|R> NIT! now with one more kick stand position! Nov 15 05:44:29 heh Nov 15 05:44:33 buy it now! Nov 15 05:44:51 is anyone working on a youtube client for maemo? Nov 15 05:45:05 iphone's youtube client seems like a good idea Nov 15 05:45:05 <|R> stream ripper? Nov 15 05:45:13 oh yeah Nov 15 05:45:19 <|R> haven't seen it, what does it do? Nov 15 05:45:42 You thinking something like uktube? Nov 15 05:45:43 well i guess it just lets you play youtube videos with less hassel Nov 15 05:45:50 uktube? Nov 15 05:45:51 <_Monkey> i heard uktube was what I'm missing mainly right now Nov 15 05:46:45 captlloyd: just thinking of something a little easier to use Nov 15 05:46:50 ahh Nov 15 05:47:11 i guess it's not that important, since the nokias have better screens than the iphone Nov 15 05:48:25 Anybody need a cheap secondary? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116071 Nov 15 05:48:42 ukmp looks cool Nov 15 05:48:59 kinetic scrolling! Nov 15 05:48:59 <_Monkey> well, kinetic scrolling is it? Nov 15 05:49:05 http://blip.tv/file/350546/ Nov 15 05:49:14 GeneralAntilles: Getting ready to install the SDK under vmware. Debian the best choice for that? Also, would 10G be enough to start with? Nov 15 05:49:23 Hehe Nov 15 05:49:25 Don't ask me. Nov 15 05:49:28 I'm on OS X Nov 15 05:49:33 So no Scratchbox. ;) Nov 15 05:49:42 Could be slightly worse - could be windoz :). Nov 15 05:49:42 <|R> Debian works great :) Nov 15 05:49:53 That's a LOT worse. ;) Nov 15 05:49:58 ukmp really rival's the iphone interface Nov 15 05:50:31 |R: Thanks, will use that, think I still have the deb4 CD around here someplace :). Nov 15 05:51:14 I suppose that the 2008 sdk would be the best choice, even though I will probably have 2007 when the device gets here to start with Nov 15 05:51:37 has anyone seen the iphone's google map's widget? Nov 15 05:51:44 it's pretty handy Nov 15 05:52:06 * |R didn't toy with an iMarketing device yet Nov 15 05:52:14 heh Nov 15 05:52:20 i'm hoping someone copies the idea :) Nov 15 05:52:37 Kind of a confusing place to start with this. only 2007 apps work. Nov 15 05:52:39 Uh, maemo mapper? Nov 15 05:52:40 <_Monkey> i heard maemo mapper was geographical mapping software specifically designed for the Maemo platform and the Nokia 770/N800 form factor. http://maemo.org/downloads/product/maemo-mapper/ Nov 15 05:53:57 Seriously, "Disconnect charger from power supply to save energy" Nov 15 05:54:06 huh? Nov 15 05:54:11 Why does maemo have to be the spearhead for Nokia's stupid green initiative? :\ Nov 15 05:54:19 lol Nov 15 05:54:31 I wonder when Maemo Mapper will be available for OS2008 Nov 15 05:55:25 captlloyd: i guess i meant something like Tubular by "youtube client" Nov 15 05:55:26 http://tubularapp.com/blog/ Nov 15 05:55:28 Wonder if I can get by with 5G for deb and the sdk... Nov 15 05:55:37 captlloyd: somebody just yesterday said that he ported it to os2008.. Nov 15 05:55:43 Sweet Nov 15 05:55:44 so probably "soon" Nov 15 05:58:48 <|R> K`zan : my /scratchbox is around 2GB Nov 15 06:00:29 |R: Probably 10G would be wiser then... Nov 15 06:01:00 <|R> uhm yes Nov 15 06:01:01 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/greenspearhead.jpg Nov 15 06:01:07 I mean . . . for serious. <_< Nov 15 06:01:08 <|R> not too sure how much my system weights... Nov 15 06:01:23 <|R> removing my home and usr/local i get 6GB but i may have stuff lying around other places Nov 15 06:01:55 <|R> GeneralAntilles : haha Nov 15 06:02:13 |R: Got plenty, just want to keep this separate, at least for now. Kind of perplexing with 2008 almost here. Nov 15 06:02:16 Every time you unplug it. :\ Nov 15 06:02:40 <|R> *save energy* -- said big brother :) Nov 15 06:03:01 * K`zan extends binary digit to big brother :) Nov 15 06:04:27 I think I'll stick with 2007 on the device for a while and work on 2008 stuff and then wipe / upgrade later.... Nov 15 06:05:08 Install everything 2008 ASAP Nov 15 06:05:13 I'd bet there is no emulator for the n800 right? Nov 15 06:05:23 There's zero point in developing for 2007 right now Nov 15 06:05:28 its a dead end Nov 15 06:05:46 GeneralAntilles: That seems to be the crux of the issue, no apps for 2008 for a while so not much to do with the device running 2008 on it now?!? Nov 15 06:06:01 They'll be along in the next few weeks. Nov 15 06:06:06 OS2008 isn't ACTUALLY out yet Nov 15 06:06:13 Just wait for the official release and flash then. Nov 15 06:06:17 You can wipe / reinstall yes? Nov 15 06:06:24 Yeah. Nov 15 06:06:31 * K`zan has SO much to learn, sigh... Nov 15 06:06:48 OK, if I can do that, then a clean start is easy enough. Nov 15 06:07:02 hey, does anyone have an n800 with stick pixels? Nov 15 06:07:06 Don't do any SDK work with 2007, though. Nov 15 06:07:12 I am paranoid about bricking the thing, considering my current level of ignorance. Nov 15 06:07:16 Hehe, I wouldn't be able to tell you if I did, l7 Nov 15 06:07:19 They're too small. ;) Nov 15 06:07:26 lol Nov 15 06:07:37 I've done more than 2 dozen flashes on 3 devices over the last 2 years Nov 15 06:07:40 Never once a brick Nov 15 06:07:43 K`zan: is bricking possible? Nov 15 06:07:50 GeneralAntilles: That is most encouraging. Nov 15 06:07:51 Basically, no. Nov 15 06:08:05 nokia must have some kind of unbricking procedure right? Nov 15 06:08:18 l7: Dunno, anything with flash should be brickable :-/. Nov 15 06:08:18 if it intended the unit to be flashed Nov 15 06:08:31 K`zan: some units have recovery modes Nov 15 06:08:47 l7: I sure hope I have one of those coming :-). Nov 15 06:08:49 even some psp firmwares had it, iirc Nov 15 06:08:58 psp? Nov 15 06:08:59 <_Monkey> well, psp is too expensive Nov 15 06:09:11 sony psp, their handheld game unit Nov 15 06:09:14 it is my duty as an opponent of murder and torture to say that it is important to support Ron Paul as president of the United States of America Nov 15 06:09:21 Woot! Nov 15 06:09:23 ? Nov 15 06:09:27 Ah, OK, not into gaming beyond flight sims... Nov 15 06:09:30 bye Nov 15 06:09:35 <|R> haha Nov 15 06:09:41 Saw them out waving at traffic down in St. Pete a few weeks ago. Nov 15 06:09:55 rp, heh Nov 15 06:10:10 How's Flight Gear's helo simulation? Nov 15 06:10:14 GeneralAntilles: there are about 15,000 people around the world in US dungeons without trial or due process Nov 15 06:10:30 That's my favorite part of X-Plane Nov 15 06:10:35 well, that, and the Stearman. :D Nov 15 06:10:43 GeneralAntilles: Last I looked at it, not bad, but I have heard the dev is working on it again. Nov 15 06:11:05 x-planes helos seen too twitchy to me... Nov 15 06:11:08 see... opposing genocide, is kind of a significant issue that transcends little shiny gadgets Nov 15 06:11:08 * |R is not in the states but would vote Kucinich Nov 15 06:11:15 Drop the sensitivity by about 20% Nov 15 06:11:18 Then you're set. Nov 15 06:11:21 |R: he's a good man too Nov 15 06:11:28 Kucinich is a joke Nov 15 06:11:34 Heh, that is with about 10 minutes real world time :) Nov 15 06:11:46 <|R> http://www.2decide.com/table.htm <- i wonder how true this table is Nov 15 06:11:54 The current crop of luser pols is the worst yet. *MAYBE* Fred!... Nov 15 06:12:12 <|R> Ron paul agains Roe v. wade? i can't support that if i understand what wikipedia implies (/me trying to be a good foreign citizen in 2 minutes ;) Nov 15 06:12:20 important to educate yourself this time around K`zan Nov 15 06:12:28 The table is incredibly biased Nov 15 06:12:35 What's with checks and x's? Nov 15 06:12:53 hrm, so what sort of things would you recommend someone learn before buying an n800? Nov 15 06:12:53 Fred Thompson is also a joke. Nov 15 06:12:55 pupnik: I have been doing that seriously for a good while, that is why I know all of them are pandering for power. Nov 15 06:12:58 or in the first week of ownership Nov 15 06:12:58 <|R> that's what i'm wondering Nov 15 06:13:03 K`zan: not ron Nov 15 06:13:23 GeneralAntilles: Perhaps so, but that, OH so sadly is the best of that luser lot. Nov 15 06:13:35 Ron Paul is the best of the Republicans Nov 15 06:13:41 pick your priorities - but check out blogs lewrockwell.com, rawstory.com, antiwar.com Nov 15 06:13:44 There aren't any good choices on the Democrat side. Nov 15 06:13:58 you need information to make a good decision Nov 15 06:14:02 GeneralAntilles: Dunno, his loons have pretty much turned me off completely with him. Nov 15 06:14:07 we are all above average intelligence Nov 15 06:14:11 forget the loons Nov 15 06:14:14 look at his politics Nov 15 06:14:16 He's the real deal. Nov 15 06:14:24 GeneralAntilles: How, that is almost all that is running :-(. Nov 15 06:14:52 GeneralAntilles: Bit over the edge, policies like some of his, historically have lead to BAD things... Nov 15 06:14:53 it is hard to change opinions in a few bytes of text Nov 15 06:14:57 I'm not sure why the border fence is checked under Paul in that table. Nov 15 06:14:57 Not all bad though. Nov 15 06:15:05 Like which? Nov 15 06:15:12 Only one that is all bad is shrillary... Nov 15 06:15:36 and Giuliani Nov 15 06:15:38 no all are bad K'zan - the situation is bad.... the dollar is bad Nov 15 06:15:45 <|R> what about net neutrality? Nov 15 06:15:48 Worst parts of both the left AND the right. Nov 15 06:15:54 I think G boy is pandering... Nov 15 06:16:09 Bad track record in some important issues. Nov 15 06:16:15 "Fascist" would be the best way to describe Giuliani. Nov 15 06:16:21 Spots change by the audience he faces. Nov 15 06:16:39 need to understand principles of liberty K`zan Nov 15 06:16:48 your body belongs to you, not the government Nov 15 06:16:53 pupnik: you are bordering on insulting... Nov 15 06:16:54 <|R> yeah! Nov 15 06:17:04 I quite understand them. Nov 15 06:17:11 K`zan am not insulting - all the rest want to control your body Nov 15 06:17:40 all of them want power over, with the ***possible*** exception of Fred! Note: possible... Nov 15 06:17:43 Anybody who is for more government power is bad. Nov 15 06:17:51 Agree with that. Nov 15 06:17:55 Which is everybody but Ron Paul. Nov 15 06:18:05 no Ron Paul is the only one who advocates your right to rule your own life Nov 15 06:18:08 Too damn many pocket pickers and nannies. Nov 15 06:18:19 and Ron Paul is the only one who will stop the crazy US interventionism Nov 15 06:18:37 And Ron Paul is the only one who understands and obeys the US constitution Nov 15 06:18:38 There are some places that NEED intervention :-) Nov 15 06:18:41 it's a slam dunk Nov 15 06:18:44 no no no Nov 15 06:18:47 But I prefer nukes for that job. Nov 15 06:18:49 no Nov 15 06:18:52 Ha Nov 15 06:18:55 Yep... Nov 15 06:18:57 no Nov 15 06:18:57 Your ass is glass! Nov 15 06:19:07 GeneralAntilles: Like the way you think :-). Nov 15 06:19:10 nobody is a threat to the USA Nov 15 06:19:17 pupnik: bullshit. Nov 15 06:19:21 who then Nov 15 06:19:24 <|R> china Nov 15 06:19:28 For one. Nov 15 06:19:33 has china invaded ANYBODY? Nov 15 06:19:37 Islamoloons for another. Nov 15 06:19:37 <|R> yes Nov 15 06:19:39 Yes Nov 15 06:19:42 who Nov 15 06:19:44 <|R> tibet Nov 15 06:19:49 is tibet the USA? Nov 15 06:20:07 <|R> ? Nov 15 06:20:10 is tibet the USA? Nov 15 06:20:11 One of my fave pix: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/MyImages/Graphics/goodidea.jpg Nov 15 06:20:21 Ha Nov 15 06:20:31 Oh . . . that's bad. Nov 15 06:20:32 :-) Nov 15 06:20:38 so you think Nov 15 06:20:40 K`zan: Nov 15 06:20:43 that the USA Nov 15 06:20:49 needs to have troops Nov 15 06:20:55 in 138 countries in the world Nov 15 06:20:57 because someone Nov 15 06:20:59 somewhere Nov 15 06:21:00 MIGHT Nov 15 06:21:03 possibly Nov 15 06:21:05 No, I'm agreed with pupnik here Nov 15 06:21:06 ever Nov 15 06:21:09 Solve your own damn problems Nov 15 06:21:09 maybe Nov 15 06:21:15 set off a bomb Nov 15 06:21:17 A standing army should be maintained for national DEFENSE Nov 15 06:21:18 somewhere Nov 15 06:21:20 Not world policing Nov 15 06:21:27 Nope, none anyplace, piss us off get nukes, quick and simple solution :-) Nov 15 06:21:42 K`zan: the usa has killed 2 million people in iraq alone Nov 15 06:21:44 <|R> argh Nov 15 06:21:51 how many USA citizens deserve to die for that Nov 15 06:21:52 ? Nov 15 06:22:01 pupnik: Great steaming piles of Bullshit(TM). Nov 15 06:22:03 The _USA_ has killed? :\ Nov 15 06:22:08 has killed Nov 15 06:22:12 through policy Nov 15 06:22:16 clinton and bush Nov 15 06:22:23 two million Nov 15 06:22:25 pupnik: you ignorance is really sad... Nov 15 06:22:33 That's a weak argument. Nov 15 06:22:34 how many DEAD usa CITIZENS is justice? Nov 15 06:22:42 it is the cost of empire GeneralAntilles Nov 15 06:22:44 Gonna go stall deb, that makes some sense :) Nov 15 06:22:47 shall we continue the empire? Nov 15 06:22:59 But, still, the US should keep to itself. Nov 15 06:23:01 or does the USA choose to stop when it is "ahead"? Nov 15 06:23:19 Show me ONE place were we (USA) have built any empire... Nov 15 06:23:22 <|R> everyone in the west should stop supporting china ... Nov 15 06:23:24 this is your choice K`zan this election cycle Nov 15 06:23:35 do you want to continue this path, or end it Nov 15 06:23:37 Guam Nov 15 06:23:39 Puerto Rico Nov 15 06:23:44 you will not have such a choice again Nov 15 06:23:53 I want someone who isn't afraid to push the button :) Nov 15 06:24:09 I don't Nov 15 06:24:12 Bring *everyone* home. Nov 15 06:24:13 * |R neither Nov 15 06:24:14 <_Monkey> i heard neither was n800 if you shut it down.. Nov 15 06:24:21 I don't trust any of Russia's old garbagy doomsday devices. Nov 15 06:24:34 Ups! Nuclear launch, guess we should launch all of ours too! Nov 15 06:24:42 MAD... Nov 15 06:24:46 And it is, but... Nov 15 06:24:50 <|R> Russia is going back to fascist state quite quickly these days too :( Nov 15 06:24:57 Yes, so it seems. Nov 15 06:25:04 The generation of communists need to die off. Nov 15 06:25:09 They'll be OK after that. Nov 15 06:25:13 Quickly :) Nov 15 06:25:14 <|R> heh i wish Nov 15 06:25:24 A bit like East Germany. Nov 15 06:25:32 <|R> Corruption, greed, power... that won't be fixed :| Nov 15 06:25:35 Watching Hunt for Red October :) Nov 15 06:25:43 * GeneralAntilles just finished watching Toy Story. Nov 15 06:25:45 Too true, greed is the worst disease Nov 15 06:25:48 <|R> hehe Nov 15 06:25:54 First time I noticed the jittery animation. Nov 15 06:26:02 Pixar is the best, though. Nov 15 06:26:05 COFFEE, I;m freezing Nov 15 06:26:19 Pft . . . it's 65°F Nov 15 06:26:38 and my G5 keeps me warm. :D Nov 15 06:26:39 -6C Nov 15 06:27:14 <|R> -6 ? where? Nov 15 06:27:22 <|R> finland? :) Nov 15 06:27:29 ofc :) Nov 15 06:27:57 Woot off today, folks. Nov 15 06:28:10 <|R> dict ofc... does not compute :P Nov 15 06:28:21 ofcourse Nov 15 06:28:25 "of course" Nov 15 06:28:43 <|R> oh ;) Nov 15 06:29:02 <|R> even wtf(1) doesn't know that (wtf is bad actually but .. :P) Nov 15 06:29:48 urbandictionary.com knows. Nov 15 06:29:56 anyone get the woot noise canceling headphones? Nov 15 06:30:02 <|R> yeah didn't try that one :) Nov 15 06:30:13 <|R> l7 : jawbone? Nov 15 06:30:16 i wanted to, but decided they were too bulky Nov 15 06:30:22 I already have a set of Bose QC2s. Nov 15 06:30:24 |R: jabra c820s Nov 15 06:30:26 Mediocre audio Nov 15 06:30:33 but very comfortable and great noise cancelling. Nov 15 06:30:39 GeneralAntilles: wow that's the same thing cnet says Nov 15 06:30:43 maybe i should believe em Nov 15 06:30:51 No, don't believe them. Nov 15 06:30:55 heh Nov 15 06:30:58 Most of their reviews are garbage. Nov 15 06:31:31 yeah i'm not really sure who to believe Nov 15 06:31:31 I probably should've bought something else. Nov 15 06:31:36 But they're nice enough Nov 15 06:31:40 and I was young and stupid then. Nov 15 06:31:46 * |R wonders why people need bible readers, why not use FBreader... Nov 15 06:31:51 Ha Nov 15 06:31:52 buyer beware i guess Nov 15 06:32:00 Yeah, the number of bible readers is rather disturbing. Nov 15 06:32:14 You've got issues if you need a bible reader on your NIT Nov 15 06:32:16 GeneralAntilles: they're good for an airplane trip i bet Nov 15 06:32:24 the bose QC2s that is, not the bible Nov 15 06:32:24 <|R> GeneralAntilles hehe Nov 15 06:32:24 now is the time Nov 15 06:32:27 to do what we can Nov 15 06:32:33 Hell yes, l7. Nov 15 06:32:39 nothing is more important Nov 15 06:32:56 Although, if you can stand earbuds, I'd recommend a set of Shures Nov 15 06:33:01 Now THOSE sound fucking fantastic. Nov 15 06:33:12 i was considering getting the sennheiser noise canceling headphones instead for train commuting Nov 15 06:33:24 GeneralAntilles: which shures? Nov 15 06:33:32 <|R> i have HD555 here, they're open air cans but incredible sound :) Nov 15 06:33:38 Whichever you can afford. Nov 15 06:33:43 the problem with the QCs or Jabras is that they're too big for daily commutes Nov 15 06:33:46 None of them are bad Nov 15 06:33:51 but each is better than the next. ;) Nov 15 06:33:56 Definitely Nov 15 06:34:02 heh Nov 15 06:34:13 GeneralAntilles: have you tried sennheiser earbuds? Nov 15 06:34:19 Nosir Nov 15 06:34:26 i'm wondering if shure > sennheiser Nov 15 06:34:26 But I've listened to a lot of Shures Nov 15 06:34:30 Probably Nov 15 06:34:33 For earbuds Nov 15 06:34:42 i've heard good things about both brands Nov 15 06:34:45 Seinnheiser is more of an over-ear company. Nov 15 06:34:54 Shure is strictly earbuds. Nov 15 06:35:04 ah, good to know Nov 15 06:35:12 * |R wonders why bluetooth headset cost that much Nov 15 06:35:13 is shure's low end stuff acceptable? Nov 15 06:35:24 |R: which one? Nov 15 06:35:25 <_Monkey> which one is it? :) Nov 15 06:35:26 <|R> bt chip: 1$, microphone and plastic case from china: 1$ Nov 15 06:35:34 Two of my friends have the e2cs (or whatever the hell the model is) Nov 15 06:35:36 <|R> anyone! Nov 15 06:35:38 They're absolutely transparent. Nov 15 06:35:41 |R: you can get bluetooth headsets cheap or free after rebate if you wait Nov 15 06:35:46 It's fairly disturbing, actually. Nov 15 06:36:00 maybe around blackfriday, or check fatwallet.com Nov 15 06:36:05 (The same sort of "HOLYSHIT" I got when I first listened to my Axiom bookshelves and heard the stereo imaging) Nov 15 06:36:43 wow i broke firefo Nov 15 06:36:44 x Nov 15 06:36:45 <|R> i just need something i can throw in my pocket and use for VoIP on the n8x0 Nov 15 06:36:50 Also, if you're in the market for good speakers, check out http://www.axiomaudio.com Nov 15 06:37:06 are they good value brand? Nov 15 06:37:20 As for Bluetooth headsets: Plantronics Voyager 510 Nov 15 06:37:27 i think i've heard some good things about them Nov 15 06:37:29 For that price range, I wouldn't recommend anything else. ;) Nov 15 06:37:39 i got my bluetooth headset for about $10 after rebate Nov 15 06:37:52 They sound better than my buddy's B&Ws at twice the price. ;) Nov 15 06:38:10 nice Nov 15 06:38:12 <|R> can they be kept in a pocket? Nov 15 06:38:14 which model? Nov 15 06:38:26 how is the n800's audio quality compared to standalone mp3 players? Nov 15 06:38:28 <|R> i plan on backpacking / travelling with n8x0 devices and beat them up a bit ;) Nov 15 06:38:30 headset fis in pocket... Nov 15 06:38:35 fits Nov 15 06:38:55 The Voyager 510 is a little ugly and a little big Nov 15 06:39:05 but durable, stable, easy to use, with great audio. Nov 15 06:39:18 <|R> k :) Nov 15 06:39:38 I want to say 700-series B&Ws, l7. Nov 15 06:40:12 I've got a pair of M22tis for the fronts with a matching center and surrounds Nov 15 06:40:27 how much were they? Nov 15 06:40:40 well maybe i'll get some audiophile speakers someday Nov 15 06:40:49 i've heard good things about axiom and paradigm Nov 15 06:40:56 I'd go with Axiom, honestly. Nov 15 06:41:01 <|R> some headsets have callerID and vibrate mode, that could actually replace my cell :P Nov 15 06:41:04 I've listened to a few Paradigm setups Nov 15 06:41:07 and they just don't stack up. Nov 15 06:41:40 I paid $400 for my fronts Nov 15 06:42:48 I should probably upgrade my receiver, though. Nov 15 06:42:54 hmm, not a bad price for getting started Nov 15 06:43:08 You could also get the M2s for around $300 Nov 15 06:43:18 and back them up with a stop-gap subwoofer Nov 15 06:43:31 wow nice Nov 15 06:43:43 maybe after i get the n800 and accessories :) Nov 15 06:43:49 Hehe Nov 15 06:43:51 so many accessories to buy... Nov 15 06:44:15 Thankfully, they're all pretty much interchangeable with a lot of other devices. Nov 15 06:44:46 Get yourself an OtterBox 2000. Nov 15 06:44:57 Not that the thing is often going to be out of your pocket Nov 15 06:45:06 but it's good for storage and moving. Nov 15 06:46:36 wow nice Nov 15 06:46:45 how well does it fit the n800? Nov 15 06:46:52 Like a goddamn glove Nov 15 06:46:55 couldn't be more perfect Nov 15 06:47:02 looks like it would be good for travel Nov 15 06:47:08 might want to step up to the 300 for more accessories Nov 15 06:47:13 Or two 2000s Nov 15 06:47:46 hrm, which would be the best option for carrying the n800 in your backpack? Nov 15 06:48:04 You do any canoeing or kayaking? Nov 15 06:48:11 or powerboating. ;) Nov 15 06:48:17 not really... Nov 15 06:48:25 not enough lakes around here Nov 15 06:48:28 Hehe Nov 15 06:48:34 would be fun though Nov 15 06:48:34 Nothing but water around here. Nov 15 06:48:44 where is that? Nov 15 06:48:52 Florida. :) Nov 15 06:49:07 The peninsula on the peninsula at that--St. Petersburg Nov 15 06:49:16 ah nice Nov 15 06:49:23 Love the N800 on the water Nov 15 06:49:25 nice and warm too too Nov 15 06:49:28 especially when we canoe at night Nov 15 06:49:30 did you get a clear case? Nov 15 06:49:33 Year Nov 15 06:49:34 2600 Nov 15 06:49:37 *yeah Nov 15 06:49:43 Though I MIGHT recommend the 3600 Nov 15 06:49:48 2600 is just a little tight. Nov 15 06:50:15 maemo mapper is GREAT for seeing shoals and stuff. Nov 15 06:50:33 the 2000 is a bit cheaper... Nov 15 06:50:48 I'd say 2000 would be better for a backpack Nov 15 06:50:56 2600 leaves the screen exposed. Nov 15 06:51:00 Anyone regularly using their tablet on the Internet through their bluetooth phone? Nov 15 06:51:04 oh Nov 15 06:51:05 Me Nov 15 06:51:11 the 2600 has a window for the screen? Nov 15 06:51:15 Yeah Nov 15 06:51:22 What kind of plan do you have, and what does it cost? Nov 15 06:51:30 pretty good idea actually Nov 15 06:51:38 AT&T/Cingular MediaMAX Unlimited Nov 15 06:51:42 i guess the door on the 2000 is like a window Nov 15 06:51:42 $20/month Nov 15 06:51:48 3.5G on a Samsung SGH-A717 Nov 15 06:51:54 Hmm Nov 15 06:52:25 Right Nov 15 06:52:29 clear plastic sort of deal Nov 15 06:53:07 Lets you use the touchscreen Nov 15 06:53:11 are there any decent hard cases for the n800? Nov 15 06:53:16 So it's great for waterproofing Nov 15 06:53:25 but bad for bags of stuff. ;) Nov 15 06:53:37 why is it bad for the backpack? Nov 15 06:53:49 cos stuff will crush it Nov 15 06:53:49 Because it doesn't protect the screen from bumps. Nov 15 06:53:49 the screen would stay shut i assume Nov 15 06:54:10 does the n800 bounce around inside it? Nov 15 06:54:17 No Nov 15 06:54:34 but stuff can bump it through the plastic Nov 15 06:54:35 ah, too bad there's no dealers nearby Nov 15 06:54:47 Just order it direct Nov 15 06:54:47 can i ask you guys if you have a bt keyboard.... Nov 15 06:54:50 Get tho 2000 Nov 15 06:54:52 hrm Nov 15 06:54:55 how do you still use the n800....handheld? Nov 15 06:55:00 yeah i guess you're right Nov 15 06:56:15 <|R> cbx33 : stowaway ultra-slim here Nov 15 06:56:29 got a link |R Nov 15 06:56:30 ? Nov 15 06:57:23 cbx33, http://www.thinkoutside.com/keyboards_and_accessories.aspx Nov 15 06:57:37 thanks Nov 15 06:57:42 <|R> also cheaper when branded as dell :) Nov 15 06:58:25 is there a custom kernel module, or a way, to get the n800 to read usb mass storage devices....so you could like plug a pen drive into it? Nov 15 06:58:34 I've seen the cool usb networking howto Nov 15 06:58:46 * |R never tried Nov 15 07:01:37 *sigh* looks like no one can get me on the Internet for less than $60/month, ATT doesn't have that same service in my area. Nov 15 07:01:54 where are you located captlloyd ? Nov 15 07:02:05 Near Iowa/Illinois Border Nov 15 07:02:09 61279 Nov 15 07:02:25 It's a non-tethering plan. Nov 15 07:02:26 ouch Nov 15 07:02:36 I have a similar problem in the UK Nov 15 07:02:44 Ahh Nov 15 07:03:14 I was hoping to get some kind of unlimited but maybe not very fast plan for $15-20/month Nov 15 07:03:32 Seems like the US providers throttle by phone Nov 15 07:03:40 So it's just a matter of transfer limits Nov 15 07:03:40 Humm, deb4 or ubuntu for the SDK? Nov 15 07:03:54 K`zan, my guide uses ubuntu Nov 15 07:03:59 if you're using scratchbox Nov 15 07:04:08 GeneralAntilles: US providers throttle by wallet :) Nov 15 07:04:30 Meh, $20/mo for unlimited 3.5g ;) Nov 15 07:04:38 :-P Nov 15 07:04:56 cbx33: Err, REAL new to this, researched the various nokia tablets and settled for a n800 which should be here Friday - I'm real ignorant at this point :). Nov 15 07:05:14 GeneralAntilles: what's a zip code near you, I wanna see more info on the plan you have Nov 15 07:05:16 K`zan, ok Nov 15 07:05:26 cbx33: you can also get dell's rebranded stowaway keyboard Nov 15 07:05:27 32301 Nov 15 07:05:29 who had the list of tutorials earlier? Nov 15 07:05:42 http://www.thinkoutside.com/keyboards_and_accessories.aspx Nov 15 07:05:49 ops Nov 15 07:05:51 Got deb and ubuntu CDs and was wondering which might be better, Planning on working on 2008. Nov 15 07:06:01 well Nov 15 07:06:09 seeing as I havn't setup 2008 I can't help you Nov 15 07:06:14 but I did do a walk through for 2007 Nov 15 07:06:15 there is a list of tutorials somewhere? Nov 15 07:06:17 <|R> Screen protectors will be the same for n810? Nov 15 07:06:34 which screen protectors did you use? Nov 15 07:06:56 <|R> uhm, let me find the name Nov 15 07:07:08 cbx33: Working on installing the 2008 sdk and deb is handy, so I'll go with that :-). Thanks! Nov 15 07:07:12 ouch the ultra-slim is $150 Nov 15 07:07:24 <|R> l7: boxwave Nov 15 07:07:37 dell branded is stowaway is about $60 i think Nov 15 07:07:39 K`zan, go for it Nov 15 07:07:40 <|R> ultra-slim off eBay are 65 Nov 15 07:07:49 wow Nov 15 07:07:57 maybe I should write an updated tutorial Nov 15 07:08:06 |R: is it legit or a knockoff? Nov 15 07:08:14 cbx33: Deb4 installing on an 8G / 512M RAM vmware vm :) now Nov 15 07:08:14 <|R> l7: http://www.boxwave.com/products/cleartouch/cleartouch-screen-protector-nokia-n800_2569.htm Nov 15 07:08:21 <|R> l7: looks legit Nov 15 07:08:30 <|R> in box and all Nov 15 07:08:30 |r thanks for that link Nov 15 07:08:55 <|R> http://www.shieldzone.com/item_description/NOKN800.html Nov 15 07:08:59 <|R> there is also that one Nov 15 07:09:36 Like the anti glare idea... Nov 15 07:09:51 the boxwave anti-glare is fantastic Nov 15 07:09:53 I have 3 Nov 15 07:09:57 I highly recommend them. Nov 15 07:09:58 <|R> i tried the shieldzone on an iAudio D2, and tried the boxWave on my n800.. Nov 15 07:10:11 <|R> they both work in the end, and they both are a pain in the ass to install correctly ;) Nov 15 07:10:17 Ha Nov 15 07:10:22 . . . ugh Nov 15 07:10:25 Plan on installing KDE for this, any problems with that and the SDK stuff? Nov 15 07:10:39 <|R> at least with the boxwave i didn't run out of liquid Nov 15 07:10:44 Get yourself a clean room to do the protector install. Nov 15 07:10:44 K`zan, shouldn't be Nov 15 07:10:47 <|R> (because there isn't any) Nov 15 07:10:51 |R: Yep, put a few on palms, hate 'em all, but... Nov 15 07:10:57 cbx33: THank you Sir! Nov 15 07:11:07 |R: installation requires adhesive? Nov 15 07:11:16 No Nov 15 07:11:17 <|R> no Nov 15 07:11:18 and lots of time fixing air bubbles and dust? Nov 15 07:11:38 <|R> shieldzone use a liquid bottle that you spray on the protector, slide it at the right place and let it dry Nov 15 07:11:44 <|R> shieldzone has a sticky side Nov 15 07:11:50 <|R> err boxwave Nov 15 07:12:01 Boxwave isn't TOO bad Nov 15 07:12:09 Just have a sink nearby Nov 15 07:12:12 <|R> l7 : i gave up the sides... Nov 15 07:12:17 <|R> yeah Nov 15 07:12:23 It's not really HARD Nov 15 07:12:23 <|R> to clean it, again, and again, ... Nov 15 07:12:29 You just have to be deliberate about it Nov 15 07:12:31 and patient Nov 15 07:12:37 hehe Nov 15 07:12:51 <|R> but it works, in the end ;) Nov 15 07:12:58 * K`zan has patience and I have it NOW! Nov 15 07:13:10 Serenity now! Nov 15 07:13:12 INSANITY LATER! Nov 15 07:13:16 IG! Nov 15 07:14:13 hmm Nov 15 07:14:32 <|R> http://www.nushield.com/ <- never tried those though Nov 15 07:14:40 which is better, boxwave or invisible shield? Nov 15 07:14:56 <|R> boxwave is more rigid Nov 15 07:15:14 Arghhhh, too many choices :-)! Nov 15 07:15:20 <|R> yeah ;) Nov 15 07:15:23 Just go with the Boxwave. ;) Nov 15 07:15:29 Order yourself one of their cool chargers while you're at it. Nov 15 07:15:30 <|R> all that for an overpriced, overpackaged sheet of plastic Nov 15 07:15:42 Seems like more what I am A) used to and B) is anti-glare... Nov 15 07:15:47 K`zan: yeah same here :\ Nov 15 07:15:55 |R: Too true... Nov 15 07:16:08 Hehe, it IS scratchproof. ;) Nov 15 07:16:10 so what are the major snafus with installing the shield? Nov 15 07:16:13 dust? Nov 15 07:16:16 Yeah, dust Nov 15 07:16:24 God that could be a REAL problem here. Nov 15 07:16:25 Do it in a clean environment Nov 15 07:16:27 oh this is why you want the sink? Nov 15 07:16:29 <|R> that and bubbles Nov 15 07:16:37 i guess it's good to buy the shields and the n800 at the same time Nov 15 07:16:38 and keep the screen facing down while it's unprotected Nov 15 07:16:40 <|R> and bubbles of dusts :P Nov 15 07:16:43 buongiorno Nov 15 07:16:44 The bubbles are easy Nov 15 07:16:47 It's the dust Nov 15 07:16:57 <|R> yeah Nov 15 07:16:58 Comcast dirt parking lot across the street - constant dust cloud going through this place :-( Nov 15 07:17:00 so if you mess up i guess you have to rinse it off Nov 15 07:17:13 <|R> yep Nov 15 07:17:14 Yeah, it's super easy to rinse Nov 15 07:17:16 <|R> for the 6th time! Nov 15 07:17:18 what would you use to dry it? Nov 15 07:17:19 <|R> haha ;) Nov 15 07:17:25 lint-free cloth? Nov 15 07:17:27 <|R> hand shaking Nov 15 07:17:29 shake it gently (DON'T BEND) Nov 15 07:17:31 and air Nov 15 07:17:38 <|R> compressed air Nov 15 07:17:38 Don't worry about getting some water on the screen. Nov 15 07:18:09 ANY cloth will put more dust on it. Nov 15 07:18:32 what's the special application solution? Nov 15 07:18:41 Boxwave doesn't have it, so I'm not sure. Nov 15 07:18:43 maybe i'll just wear latex gloves... Nov 15 07:18:46 <|R> clean water i guess Nov 15 07:18:48 but sometimes those have powder Nov 15 07:19:37 does the boxwave require an "application solution"? Nov 15 07:19:41 <|R> no Nov 15 07:19:44 No, l7 Nov 15 07:19:50 Don't worry about the gloves Nov 15 07:19:54 <|R> only invisible shied, check their web site they have video explaining it Nov 15 07:20:01 yeah Nov 15 07:20:06 i think i'd prefer the boxwave Nov 15 07:20:16 liquids and electronics = bad Nov 15 07:20:26 <|R> there really is no danger :) Nov 15 07:20:35 * l7 is paranoid :) Nov 15 07:20:49 |R: so you only use invisible shield? Nov 15 07:20:51 <|R> but after trying both on different device... i think i'll either try a 3rd one or go with boxwave ;) Nov 15 07:20:53 Yeah, the touchscreen is designed to get wet. Nov 15 07:21:12 <|R> problem with ishield is running out of water while applying it... Nov 15 07:21:28 <|R> but the result was nice Nov 15 07:21:34 <|R> nice feel Nov 15 07:21:43 <|R> so, i don't know, get 2 n800 and try both Nov 15 07:21:44 <|R> haha Nov 15 07:21:46 on boxwave website i'm unable to find n800 device Nov 15 07:21:57 ops Nov 15 07:21:59 found :) Nov 15 07:22:10 <|R> search -> n800 :P Nov 15 07:22:11 Check out Boxwave's 2-in-1 chargers Nov 15 07:22:18 GREAT travel charger Nov 15 07:22:44 I am assuming the sdk is primarily cli driven, right? Nov 15 07:22:49 <|R> what's up with these airplane chargers? i never saw a power outlet in a plane on my seat... Nov 15 07:23:20 <|R> K`zan : well beside the x11 in x11 window yes Nov 15 07:23:33 how often does the shield need replacing? Nov 15 07:23:42 i'm wondering if the 3 pack is worth it Nov 15 07:23:42 You only get those in 1st glass. ;) Nov 15 07:23:48 Like, never. Nov 15 07:23:48 <|R> never replaced one, i don't know Nov 15 07:23:52 <|R> sold my D2 before i had to ;) Nov 15 07:23:52 |R: Thanks. Still want to build up a plug in external battery pack for the n800. Nov 15 07:23:56 heh Nov 15 07:23:57 They're scratch proof Nov 15 07:24:06 So they don't mar up like the factory protector. Nov 15 07:25:22 <|R> K`zan : http://www.powerenz.com/store/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=28 Nov 15 07:25:29 <|R> everything you need haha ;) Nov 15 07:25:51 Way too expensive Nov 15 07:26:06 <|R> hehe really? ;) Nov 15 07:26:17 http://www.woot.com/ Nov 15 07:26:20 Headset? Nov 15 07:26:31 <|R> haha Nov 15 07:26:36 Too late. Nov 15 07:26:37 Wow, the n800 folder I made up last night sure is growing :) Nov 15 07:29:21 man i think i'd rather pay an extra $20 for a properly installed invisible shield Nov 15 07:29:35 Ha Nov 15 07:30:34 how do you respray around the corners of the ipod where the ports are? Nov 15 07:30:39 i guess you can't Nov 15 07:30:43 deb well on the way to being installed... Nov 15 07:31:08 <|R> l7 : uhm? Nov 15 07:31:12 GeneralAntilles: have you had to replace your boxwave? Nov 15 07:31:35 |R: i'm watching the ipod installation video: http://www.shieldzone.com/movie/index.html Nov 15 07:31:35 <|R> l7 : you spray the protector, not the surface if i remember correctly (wouldn't make sense the other way around) Nov 15 07:32:02 seems like some spray might get in the ports by accident Nov 15 07:32:09 depending on how much you peel back i guess Nov 15 07:32:29 Err what would one need an ipod for if one had an n800?!? Nov 15 07:32:36 <|R> it won't really mather, you'll let it dry Nov 15 07:33:36 K`zan: the video is for an ipod Nov 15 07:33:43 Not a scratch on any of the 3 of mine since I installed them in the middle of the summer. Nov 15 07:34:03 GeneralAntilles: you have 3? o.O Nov 15 07:34:10 <|R> hehe Nov 15 07:34:10 2 770s and an N800 Nov 15 07:34:14 l7: the n800 does video.... Nov 15 07:34:28 (1 770 Nov 2005 and the other from woot, and the N800 January _7th_ 2006 ;)) Nov 15 07:34:32 <|R> hahah i like the guy bashing whith his keys on the PSP Nov 15 07:34:55 No, K`zan, video of the screen protector installation. Nov 15 07:35:10 Ah, I'm SO confuzed :) Nov 15 07:35:18 Evidently. :P Nov 15 07:35:31 Freely admitted :) I'll get better :-) Nov 15 07:35:55 You better, you know we keep minimum standards for tablet users. :P Nov 15 07:36:34 One would hope! ;-) Nov 15 07:36:49 <|R> haha Nov 15 07:37:02 * |R wonders why he hasn't been hanged already :P Nov 15 07:37:12 Might get deb finished up before I fall over.... Nov 15 07:37:13 Ha Nov 15 07:37:16 K`zan: er i mean the video describes shield install : http://www.shieldzone.com/movie/index.html Nov 15 07:37:26 ITT seems to be the exception to that rule, though. :\ Nov 15 07:37:37 ishield marketing is getting to me... Nov 15 07:37:40 The invisibleSHIELD is the toughest, most durable gadget scratch protection film available on planet Earth. The film has its origins in the U.S. military, where it was used to protect the leading edges of helicopter blades from wear and tear while traveling hundreds of miles per hour. Nov 15 07:37:41 I was just wondering why one would need an ipod if one had an n800... Nov 15 07:37:47 The heaping amounts of stupidity there never cease to amaze me. Nov 15 07:37:51 <|R> someone on the forum says: I've since added an invisibleSHIELD screen protector. It's doing a good job at protection, but it has a grippy, rubber texture that doesn't work well with using the stylus for handwritten entry. Nov 15 07:37:52 omg it's on helicoptars! Nov 15 07:37:57 For the MASSIVE storage, K`zan. Nov 15 07:38:05 more than 16G ? Nov 15 07:38:18 Oh, thats right it has a HD in it, right? Nov 15 07:38:19 <|R> i actually liked that so called grippy texture on the D2, but that was a 2.5" screen and mostly clicks, no drag... Nov 15 07:38:23 iPod? 160gb. ;) Nov 15 07:38:41 ah. OK. Nov 15 07:38:45 Boxwave is smooth like paper Nov 15 07:38:52 Damn it is installing gnome :-( Nov 15 07:38:55 <|R> so maybe the harder boxwave is better for writing, but it's all about taste :) Nov 15 07:39:14 grippy rubber texture? Nov 15 07:39:36 <|R> i would call it non slippery rather than grippy though Nov 15 07:39:46 <|R> it was fun to draw on that in a paint like program.. Nov 15 07:39:53 But . . . but—helicopters! Nov 15 07:39:59 <|R> i can't really complain about neither, except for installation of both ;) Nov 15 07:40:01 i wish nokia would just pick one set of accessories and sell them to me Nov 15 07:40:05 leading edged take some abuse... Nov 15 07:40:07 or install them for me :) Nov 15 07:40:18 Ha Nov 15 07:40:31 K`zan: i know, helicoptar blades! it must be strong! Nov 15 07:40:41 Really. Nov 15 07:40:45 ! Nov 15 07:40:56 nevermind that i have no plans for using my n800 as a helicopter blade... Nov 15 07:41:13 Good idea LOL! Nov 15 07:41:15 OK: i-blue 737, iGo/ThinkOutside Stowaway, 2x 8GB Transcend class6, and a Boxwave anti-glare. Nov 15 07:41:32 Our proprietary film is a clear, urethane plastic (invisible, invincible) with unique properties that allow it to provide self-healing qualities and unparalleled abrasion resistance. Nov 15 07:41:32 <|R> http://www.expertshield.com/nokia-n800-screen-protector-p-526.html <- 4th option! ;) Nov 15 07:41:36 self-healing! Nov 15 07:41:37 wow Nov 15 07:41:44 <|R> haha Nov 15 07:41:46 argh, more options Nov 15 07:41:48 more data Nov 15 07:41:56 i guess it's good... Nov 15 07:42:05 When Y'all figure out the perfect one, let me know - my brain hurts already. Nov 15 07:42:05 this is why people like apple sometimes Nov 15 07:42:08 less stuff to figure out Nov 15 07:42:10 <|R> http://www.jdhines.com/product/0234PDSG12?meta=FRG <- cheap crap? Nov 15 07:42:13 haha Nov 15 07:42:29 Pft . . . I like Apple because they have a kickass OS and great hardware. ;) Nov 15 07:43:12 l Easy Removal – The PET is easily removed by releasing the air vacuum which can be done by 1) using a piece of strong adhesive to lift one of the corners or 2) by sliding a thin piece of plastic polymer between the PET and the device (remember that there is only an air vacuum and NO ADHESIVE, thus there always a micro gap between the PET and the surface) Nov 15 07:43:22 well that too Nov 15 07:43:36 beautiful and overpriced hardware Nov 15 07:43:42 but worth it i guess Nov 15 07:43:51 Not for OEM stuff Nov 15 07:43:58 price it part for part to a Dell Nov 15 07:44:15 they sell your "user experience" :) Nov 15 07:44:15 Starting to think the n800 is going to be the cheapest of what I want for it :) Nov 15 07:44:18 and you don't get the case ergonomics with the Dell. ;) Nov 15 07:44:32 hrm Nov 15 07:44:41 GeneralAntilles: depends on when you buy the dell Nov 15 07:44:49 * |R wonders if his eyes are burned from too many years of computing when his display is at 0 brightness and it's still too bright Nov 15 07:45:04 if you time it to when dell has a their nutty clearance sales, they are pretty cheap Nov 15 07:45:08 but dells are clunky Nov 15 07:45:10 Heh, cheer up, it will get worse :) Nov 15 07:45:14 Ha Nov 15 07:45:23 <|R> haha Nov 15 07:45:34 I notice LCDs are shipping at the "stupid bright" setting from factory these days. Nov 15 07:45:49 I've date to cut all my new ones down 50% for them to match up to the rest. Nov 15 07:45:51 <|R> yeah, but i got it on custom with 0 everywhere haha Nov 15 07:46:11 I wish the N800 backlight would go a few steps darker Nov 15 07:46:20 still too bright with FBReader at night even at the lowest setting. Nov 15 07:46:40 GeneralAntilles: Same problem with the Z31, I use it for a flashlight at night... Nov 15 07:46:41 <|R> actually the darkest step before pitch black in unusable as it flickers... Nov 15 07:46:51 Well that's lame. Nov 15 07:47:12 Wares mah infinite voltage scaling?! Nov 15 07:47:17 * GeneralAntilles goes and burns all the engineers. Nov 15 07:47:37 <|R> haha Nov 15 07:48:09 the backlight should get dimmer with time perhaps Nov 15 07:48:16 unless it gets flickery first Nov 15 07:48:32 GeneralAntilles: Watch it, i R an ingineer! Nov 15 07:48:43 * GeneralAntilles burns K`zan. Nov 15 07:48:46 <|R> haha Nov 15 07:48:46 Do better next time! Nov 15 07:48:50 Ohhh, more MORE! Nov 15 07:48:56 http://www.jdhines.com/product/0234PDSG12?meta=FRG <- why would you want 15 screen guards? Nov 15 07:49:18 <|R> l7 : cause they're crap Nov 15 07:49:18 Because they're garbage Nov 15 07:49:19 Dunno, I still have all but 2 of the ones I got for the palm (screwed up the first one). Nov 15 07:49:20 <|R> haha Nov 15 07:49:25 and need to be replaced every month Nov 15 07:49:30 5 choices? Nov 15 07:49:39 They're basically the same as the ones that ship with the N800. Nov 15 07:49:50 one that ships* Nov 15 07:49:51 oh Nov 15 07:49:54 those are bad eh? Nov 15 07:50:08 Hehe Nov 15 07:50:11 They protect the screen Nov 15 07:50:15 <|R> might as well get some selofan Nov 15 07:50:17 I used my factory protector for 6 months Nov 15 07:50:27 i sense a "but" coming... Nov 15 07:50:27 It was scratched all to hell by the end of it Nov 15 07:50:29 but plenty usable Nov 15 07:50:38 seems bluetooth headset doesn't work with os2008 :-\ Nov 15 07:50:46 It's not a final release. Nov 15 07:50:49 oh, so the factory protector is scratchable... Nov 15 07:50:50 <|R> L0cutus : !? Nov 15 07:50:54 Thoughtfix had it working fine with his. Nov 15 07:51:00 as long as your screen is ok Nov 15 07:51:01 So it's got to be an N810/N800 trouble. Nov 15 07:51:09 Yeah, it protects the screen fine. Nov 15 07:51:13 * K`zan is going to put the n800 in vault when it gets here... Nov 15 07:51:18 So just leave it on until you can replace it with something nice. Nov 15 07:51:25 <|R> hehe Nov 15 07:51:35 My screen came out from under it pristine after 6 months of heavy usage. Nov 15 07:51:49 |R: yes unfortunately, it pair with headset and speackers audio is muted, but no audio on headset Nov 15 07:52:09 maybe i'll just go with the boxwave Nov 15 07:52:11 <|R> which headset? Nov 15 07:52:15 Any Nov 15 07:52:19 choice number 3: http://www.expertshield.com/nokia-n800-screen-protector-p-526.html looks neat though Nov 15 07:52:20 nokia hs-11w Nov 15 07:52:27 it promises easy removal Nov 15 07:52:30 Like I said, we're on pre-release stuff not intended for this hardware Nov 15 07:52:35 but... maybe this means it'll fall off Nov 15 07:52:44 "vacuum" Nov 15 07:52:47 Sounds like it. Nov 15 07:53:14 <|R> l7 : uhm, they're all easy to remove Nov 15 07:53:38 Go into a drafty room and your screen proctor flies away. Nov 15 07:53:40 Sounds bad to me. :P Nov 15 07:53:52 proctor . . . Nov 15 07:53:57 I'm getting loopy Nov 15 07:53:59 time for bed Nov 15 07:54:00 'night folks. Nov 15 07:54:05 night :) Nov 15 07:54:07 <|R> night Nov 15 07:54:16 (here 9AM :) Nov 15 07:54:21 <|R> 2:54 :| Nov 15 07:54:28 <|R> i hate having to leave ;) Nov 15 07:54:32 gh Nov 15 07:56:24 http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=02047 Nov 15 07:56:28 silicone case for n800 Nov 15 07:56:45 i've noticed silicone cases sometimes have a nasty toxic smell though Nov 15 07:57:10 <|R> http://www.amazon.com/BlueAnt-V12-LCD-Bluetooth-Headset/dp/B000MA1DOK/ <- i wish more headset would have these features CID, vibrate... we need a jawbone style mixed with this in a small form factor so i can cut my cell contract ;) Nov 15 07:57:42 <|R> l7 : and they gather dust like crazy Nov 15 07:58:29 <|R> most cases loose the kick stand, which sucks :| Nov 15 08:02:19 |R: proporta case fixes this by giving you a leather kickstand Nov 15 08:02:19 but it seems to fail a lot Nov 15 08:02:19 so what is the bes case? Nov 15 08:02:19 <|R> yeah Nov 15 08:02:19 s/bes/best Nov 15 08:02:19 http://www.pdair.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=10100000_1900000_11000089&products_id=5475 Nov 15 08:02:19 <|R> i don't know, i kept the original one... Nov 15 08:02:19 <|R> the nokia one seemed nice Nov 15 08:02:19 <|R> but pricey Nov 15 08:02:19 pdair one has a belt clip option for $6 more Nov 15 08:02:19 if you want to look uber geeky Nov 15 08:02:19 <|R> hehe no thanks ;) Nov 15 08:02:21 heh Nov 15 08:04:09 <|R> i don't see a point for cases that don't cover the screen, even softly... it's not like my device is going to catch cold ;) Nov 15 08:08:28 the clear otterbox is looking like a good choice Nov 15 08:08:34 clear cases are cool :) Nov 15 08:08:53 <|R> bulky though, i need to have it in a pocket Nov 15 08:09:00 ah and it's waterproof too, for coffeeshops :) Nov 15 08:09:08 <|R> The whole idea of the n800 was to not have a backpack, else i'd get a laptop Nov 15 08:09:13 <|R> hehe Nov 15 08:09:21 hrm i have to carry a backpack anyway Nov 15 08:09:28 but it should weigh less Nov 15 08:09:46 i guess the otterbox must be the only waterproof one so far Nov 15 08:10:01 <|R> get a ziplock hehe :) Nov 15 08:10:09 <|R> ok i really need to get to bed Nov 15 08:10:13 <|R> ttyl! Nov 15 08:10:28 heh ok Nov 15 08:10:30 ttyl Nov 15 08:10:34 i should hit the sack too Nov 15 08:20:53 i'v buy this: http://tinyurl.com/3ygt4k Nov 15 08:21:25 only thing about the otterbox is that you can't plug your headphones in Nov 15 08:25:08 something like this would be nice: http://www.solware.co.uk/psp/psp-clear-carry-case.shtml Nov 15 08:25:52 mornink Nov 15 08:26:41 ciao Nov 15 08:26:47 another bug on os2008 Nov 15 08:27:03 I am not a bug. Nov 15 08:27:17 at least I think I'm not. can't be certain of course. Nov 15 08:27:41 on os2007 while i write with my bt keyboard the screen backlight is alwayn on Nov 15 08:27:53 on os2008 it switch off every rime... Nov 15 08:27:58 rime = time Nov 15 08:28:11 also while writing Nov 15 08:36:34 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/reminiscence/ Nov 15 08:49:49 Morning, all Nov 15 08:53:34 hi all :) Nov 15 09:10:36 Night folks and thanks for all the help and ignorance dispersement :-) Nov 15 09:12:55 hi Nov 15 09:23:45 mhm. maybe one should write a small applet that could keep the backlight on/off easily Nov 15 09:24:01 seems that so many people actually want the feature it seems silly that it doesn't already exist Nov 15 09:45:15 bon dia / good morning Nov 15 09:46:19 ciao Nov 15 09:46:26 mmm no e2fsprogs for os2008 Nov 15 09:59:50 Hi to all ... :) Nov 15 10:35:49 what is the name of the zoom widget in the image viewer? Nov 15 10:47:52 Hm, do the panel menus always open in big mode in 2008? Nov 15 11:03:23 Hi guys :) Nov 15 11:06:23 Where are environment variables located in maemo 3.x? Nov 15 11:16:42 morning all... Nov 15 11:16:59 L0cutus: goodmorning... ;) Nov 15 11:28:05 maddler: buongiorno :) Nov 15 11:38:59 visy: advertise it here also.. you'll get plenty of testers Nov 15 11:40:15 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/reminiscence/ Nov 15 11:42:12 hi there. Nov 15 11:42:16 any news? Nov 15 11:48:00 http://maemo.org/news/ Nov 15 11:48:01 .. Nov 15 11:51:04 Hmm .. I should figure out how to throw ruby-maemo into extras devel now .. Nov 15 11:53:28 morning Nov 15 11:53:29 <_Monkey> aloha Nov 15 11:56:07 dput isn't in scratchbox? Nov 15 11:56:51 * alterego growls Nov 15 11:59:21 [12:16] L0cutus: goodmorning... ;) Nov 15 11:59:23 ue' :) Nov 15 12:00:02 alterego: i've see your latest creation, ruby-maemo for os2008 on maemo.org Nov 15 12:00:35 L0cutus, yup :) Nov 15 12:00:38 so finnaly you have won :D Nov 15 12:03:27 anyone able to tell me how to add OS2008 and OS2006 categories in the application catalogue on http://maemo.org/downloads/ to an application? Nov 15 12:04:30 hmacht, you have to go to the relavant OS download section and create a new package in there. Nov 15 12:04:46 a complete new package, really? Nov 15 12:04:50 Yes Nov 15 12:05:05 duplicating description, etc.? Nov 15 12:05:09 It's exactly the same process as defining a download in 2007, you just have to do it in 2008 and 2006 Nov 15 12:05:12 Yes Nov 15 12:05:21 ok Nov 15 12:05:26 ops Nov 15 12:05:39 alterego: your 'click to install' doesn't work... Nov 15 12:05:49 Error 404 Nov 15 12:06:11 Yeah I know. Nov 15 12:06:14 That'll be sorted soon. Nov 15 12:06:55 a ok Nov 15 12:07:06 go to download directly :) Nov 15 12:09:11 As soon as I figure out how to use dput and the extras-devel repository. Nov 15 12:09:32 Then I wont need to store the packages on my server :) Nov 15 12:11:49 Hmm .. Dunno what happened there. My desktop just vanished and then prompted me to log in again :/ Nov 15 12:12:42 crash perhaps? ;) Nov 15 12:12:59 Yeah, probably. Nov 15 12:13:13 applet support? Nov 15 12:13:29 Anyone know of a good resource on dput? Maybe a wiki entry for maemo extras-devel uploading? :D Nov 15 12:13:42 wumpus: make any progress with pvr.ko? Nov 15 12:15:00 not really, I was trying to find out how it detects that the hardware is present, but as I know nothing of the N800 internal bus.. well, I got sleepy :) Nov 15 12:16:07 I don't blame you :) Nov 15 12:16:17 what's the entry point for kernel modules? Nov 15 12:16:41 each function was reasonable small, it ought to be possible with some graft to work it out Nov 15 12:16:42 hm, cleanup is the exit point, the entry point was just above that Nov 15 12:16:58 http://freshome.com/2007/11/15/gareth-neal-table/ Nov 15 12:17:06 we also need an application that show upload/download speed :) Nov 15 12:17:12 indeed, the module wasn't that big Nov 15 12:17:15 that table needs to be deinterlaced. Nov 15 12:17:38 but a some functions are also not called, which is strange Nov 15 12:17:59 There should really be a wiki search on maemo.org Nov 15 12:19:20 init_module Nov 15 12:19:30 you did a function call analysis? Nov 15 12:19:34 or by eye? Nov 15 12:20:58 "To flash the bootloader, you have to supply the X-Loader image" i get this if i try to reflash with flash-3.0 Nov 15 12:21:06 btw i have the bootloader for dual-boot Nov 15 12:21:58 wumpus: VirtualMemoryInit & PVRMMapInit & SysInitialise Nov 15 12:22:58 silly question: should the garage.maemo.org svn username be the same as garage username? Nov 15 12:23:03 wumpus: VirtualMemoryInit doens't do much Nov 15 12:23:17 well just by searching for function names in the module, I didn't do anything complicated Nov 15 12:23:23 idd, a lot of the functions just return Nov 15 12:23:25 any hints on that issue? Nov 15 12:23:36 how you reflash when you have the dual-boot bootloader? Nov 15 12:23:38 is it really a working driver? Nov 15 12:24:07 wumpus: that I don't know - need to find someone with one of the dev boards who's tried it Nov 15 12:24:54 could also be that there is just very little virtual memory to initialise on ARM Nov 15 12:26:07 SysInitialise is the function that does the finding and init of the device I think Nov 15 12:29:04 * alterego attempts to upload ruby maemo to extras-devel. Nov 15 12:29:14 I have _no_idea_ what I'm doing .. Nov 15 12:30:00 which widget is used in the brightness applet ? Nov 15 12:33:17 is possible to set a password for the user 'user' ? Nov 15 12:33:25 No, Nov 15 12:33:33 Is this for SSH L0cutus0? Nov 15 12:33:37 si Nov 15 12:33:41 Use a key Nov 15 12:33:45 yep Nov 15 12:34:00 for the user root i've set also a pwd Nov 15 12:34:34 Yeah, I set a root password too. But I use key authentication mostly. Nov 15 12:39:49 hmm. it's possible to set password for user Nov 15 12:39:55 for ssh Nov 15 12:40:09 Manually edit /etc/passwd? Nov 15 12:40:18 * czr shrugs Nov 15 12:40:24 I just used passwd user :-) Nov 15 12:40:31 Doesn't work. Nov 15 12:40:37 (on 2008 mind you, with openssh-server) Nov 15 12:40:43 Hmm Nov 15 12:40:48 Maybe it does on that. Nov 15 12:40:49 r&d-mode enabled. Nov 15 12:41:00 Have you been a naughty boy czr? Nov 15 12:41:00 wumpus: in PVRSRVInitialiseDevice, for example, it just seems to loop around setting values, but nothing else Nov 15 12:41:07 alterego, how? Nov 15 12:41:16 lardman: yup, I see hardware access or detection nowhere Nov 15 12:41:19 Downloading OS2008 :P Nov 15 12:41:26 alterego, I didn't download it. Nov 15 12:41:26 It worked for me on 2006, much less on 2007. Nov 15 12:41:45 wumpus: can it be done by mapping the physical powervr memory into the kernel address space then writing to it? Nov 15 12:42:22 alterego, I got both of them on a cd (one for n800, the other for n810) Nov 15 12:42:31 yes, that's usually how graphics drivers work, they map the card registers and frame buffer to memory Nov 15 12:42:36 czr, nice. Nov 15 12:42:51 then pass on those mappings via mmap() to user space of some device node Nov 15 12:42:54 I forgot you do work for Noke Nov 15 12:43:03 I don't work for them alterego Nov 15 12:43:10 wumpus: well it looks as though there's some memory mapping going on in the kernel, and a slab is allocated to allow outside access in /dev Nov 15 12:43:11 Yes not _for_ them :P Nov 15 12:43:11 wumpus, /dev/mem is pretty good for that Nov 15 12:43:44 wumpus, or /sys/bus/pci-thingies nowadays Nov 15 12:43:49 czr: well, then you can only run X as root Nov 15 12:44:09 czr: why pci? Nov 15 12:44:21 lardman, out of context of ITs now. Nov 15 12:44:25 the n800 doesn't have pci Nov 15 12:44:26 ah, ok Nov 15 12:44:31 ok Nov 15 12:45:08 but it seems to do that? that'd good I suppose Nov 15 12:45:11 wumpus, but /dev/mem is also protected so that only root can access it. what else do you propose to use? Nov 15 12:45:50 are there any asm->c tools about for intel syntax? Nov 15 12:46:10 asm 2 C translators? eww :-) Nov 15 12:46:21 Yeah .. That doesn't sound good .. Nov 15 12:46:22 czr: well, for example the nvidia device driver allows mmap() on the /dev/nvidiaX devices to map registers and agp locked memory, but only for memory areas that are part of the client context Nov 15 12:46:39 wumpus, ah. I thought you had something more generic in mind Nov 15 12:46:53 yup. obviously drivers may implement policy decisions as well if they want to Nov 15 12:46:55 czr: would make comprehension easier Nov 15 12:47:10 lardman, I don't know of any Nov 15 12:47:29 but why intel syntax? Nov 15 12:47:44 ah. you have asm source listings in intel syntax, right? Nov 15 12:48:15 Heh Nov 15 12:48:28 arm is always in intel syntax Nov 15 12:48:29 Yeah, I've never even heard of ASM->C translations. Nov 15 12:48:40 me neither Nov 15 12:48:41 It doesn't seem that possible to me .. Nov 15 12:48:46 it's possible Nov 15 12:48:53 ah well, little matlab project for the weekend :) Nov 15 12:48:55 not perfect, but certainly possible Nov 15 12:49:01 you can map assembly to a kind of c-like syntax though Nov 15 12:49:06 especially arm assembly Nov 15 12:49:06 converting hand-written asm into C is pretty difficult Nov 15 12:49:15 converting asm generated by a c compiler back to C is easier Nov 15 12:49:16 wumpus: how? Nov 15 12:49:32 Provided you know what C compiler was used. Nov 15 12:49:40 that can be easily detected actually Nov 15 12:49:42 it's just to get rid of the many many branches and turn them back into loops really Nov 15 12:49:45 but yes, it helps. Nov 15 12:49:49 Which I suppose wouldn't be that hard to check. Nov 15 12:49:56 yeah, I'm not in the (de)compiler business, tried to write something like that some time ago when I was reverse engineering phones, but never finished it Nov 15 12:49:56 gcc 3.4.4 Nov 15 12:50:45 the idea is that you can combine register assignments into (sub)expressions again Nov 15 12:50:49 I wrote a pseudocoder for 16-bit intel stuff some years back Nov 15 12:50:55 but it never tried to represent stuff in C Nov 15 12:51:06 pseudo code is good enough Nov 15 12:51:29 the output won't really be compilable C that results in the same assembly again, but idd some pseudocode Nov 15 12:51:33 it's time consuming having to turn each fn into pseudo code by hand Nov 15 12:51:43 it would be easier to read than assembly Nov 15 12:51:48 exactly Nov 15 12:52:05 wumpus, I don't there are any good reasons for it to be compilable back :-) Nov 15 12:52:05 then again, is it needed to understand it all? Nov 15 12:52:09 What are you actually looking for? Nov 15 12:52:17 I don't think even. Nov 15 12:52:17 Yeah, exactly. Nov 15 12:52:41 no, no need to compile it back, just interestd to see how it works Nov 15 12:52:54 well we have some random kernel module for the MBX graphics hardware that should also be in the N800 Nov 15 12:53:04 You're looking at the imgtec binary drivers? Nov 15 12:53:12 but we can't get it to load for the kernel, and we're trying to find what is wrong Nov 15 12:53:13 perhaps Nov 15 12:53:33 Is it a 2.6 kernel module? Nov 15 12:53:40 yes Nov 15 12:53:41 yes, 2.6.10 Nov 15 12:53:55 but it needs some pci symbols for some reason we're not yet sure Nov 15 12:54:05 Look at the 2.4 source Nov 15 12:54:13 is there source? Nov 15 12:54:20 there's a binary for sure Nov 15 12:54:21 Not complete source. Nov 15 12:54:28 But there are parts. Nov 15 12:54:31 oh, where's that from then? Nov 15 12:54:35 afaik there's only a binary Nov 15 12:54:35 imgtec.com Nov 15 12:54:59 It's i386 too .. Nov 15 12:55:11 so kind of useless in this case :/ Nov 15 12:55:13 that's something different - kyro Nov 15 12:55:17 Well yes and no. Nov 15 12:55:39 There are shared libraries that might give a better look into it. Nov 15 12:55:39 we need to know how the device is addressed on non-pci arm OMAP architectures Nov 15 12:56:13 on intel it's way different, a device driver can just query the pci bus to find mmio and io areas Nov 15 12:56:15 or indeed how any device on the omap is addressed for that matter Nov 15 12:56:24 It should be mapped to a range in memory. Nov 15 12:56:35 and interupts and dma channels for that matter.. Nov 15 12:56:37 As is all hardware in ARM :P Nov 15 12:56:53 yeah, but how to find where Nov 15 12:57:09 grep /dev/mem for the serial? ^_^ Nov 15 12:57:22 we can look at where the driver uses the memory Nov 15 12:57:34 if that's the way it works, that's good Nov 15 12:57:38 maybe there are memory addresses hardcoded in the driver Nov 15 12:57:43 indeed Nov 15 12:58:00 it might also be a board decision Nov 15 12:58:10 so indeed, it could be hard-wired Nov 15 12:58:10 Actually it'll be TI Nov 15 12:58:15 I don't think so.. it's integrated in the CPU Nov 15 12:58:16 TI? Nov 15 12:58:20 not the board right? Nov 15 12:58:21 Texas Nov 15 12:58:23 but it will be hardwired to some address presumably Nov 15 12:58:24 ah. then core decision Nov 15 12:58:29 * czr nods Nov 15 12:58:44 So the driver for whatever you're looking at may not even work :P Nov 15 12:58:47 although, one could assume that it is disabled at some level at least to conserve power? Nov 15 12:58:56 so you'd need to find the power management bits to enable it? not? Nov 15 12:59:07 Yes. There will probably be a GPIO to enable/disable it. Nov 15 12:59:12 czr: you'd assume the driver does that Nov 15 12:59:24 or the GL lib for that matter Nov 15 12:59:26 hmm. maybe Nov 15 12:59:37 although it might be again a design decision Nov 15 12:59:42 yes, there are power management functions in the driver Nov 15 12:59:42 Big maybe .. Nov 15 12:59:47 yes it might it might Nov 15 12:59:51 we're just trying Nov 15 12:59:51 * czr nods Nov 15 12:59:52 :P Nov 15 12:59:56 good luck :-) Nov 15 13:00:16 Yeah, it is kyro Nov 15 13:00:17 how does a gpio appear in asm? Nov 15 13:00:25 I don't know :) Nov 15 13:00:30 I have no idea Nov 15 13:00:35 I think through a kernel function Nov 15 13:00:36 writing/reading from a memory address? Nov 15 13:00:38 and in c? Nov 15 13:00:47 It's a bit switch Nov 15 13:00:49 czr: yeah, I was wondering that Nov 15 13:00:58 In C it's a kernel call Nov 15 13:01:06 alterego, sure, but it could be represented as a 32-bit memory access operation Nov 15 13:01:16 czr, yeah Nov 15 13:01:24 since address space is plentiful (not like in 8/16-bit envs) Nov 15 13:01:25 Probably associated with some bitmask though :) Nov 15 13:01:31 easy enough to find a kernel driver that uses gpios and look at what it does Nov 15 13:01:31 doesn't have to be Nov 15 13:01:52 Yeah, there's plenty of GPIO code laying around. Nov 15 13:01:57 well that's good, the driver appears to do nothing other than mapping and writing to memory Nov 15 13:02:01 if I'd be the hw designer, I'd just map 32-bit mem access for each GPIO separately. that way no masking needs to be done Nov 15 13:02:12 now one just needs to work out what the addresses are Nov 15 13:02:33 czr, you could make it byte addresses Nov 15 13:02:34 could any of you hackers think of any reasons where the linker would spawn 'undefined reference to XX' errors when using static libraries in C programs, when the library is properly added with -l command, and the the library contains the required symbols (they can be found from nm output)? Nov 15 13:02:39 alterego, why bother? Nov 15 13:02:39 Save some address space .. Nov 15 13:02:47 alterego, the addr space is plentiful :-) Nov 15 13:02:55 Sure, I just think the smaller the better :P Nov 15 13:02:59 and it's not likely that you'll have millions of gpios Nov 15 13:03:02 not in this case Nov 15 13:03:13 No, I've not seen a device with more than 255 Nov 15 13:03:53 czr, do you know much about dput? Nov 15 13:04:01 I want to upload ruby-maemo to extras-devel ^_^ Nov 15 13:04:08 alterego, neverheard Nov 15 13:04:24 wumpus: this means that most of the functionality is probably in the opengl implementation Nov 15 13:04:25 It's the .deb repository submission script. Nov 15 13:04:28 Mikho: the order of -l statements matters with static libs Nov 15 13:04:36 lardman: yes, that's no surprise Nov 15 13:04:48 Mikho: also, did you pass '-static' ? Nov 15 13:04:49 Does GL ES specify hardware API? Nov 15 13:04:54 alterego, no Nov 15 13:05:02 not really Nov 15 13:05:02 how does the order matter, and what does -static do? Nov 15 13:05:08 Hmm .. Wouldn't have thought so. Nov 15 13:05:11 but once you get the device to map we can see about that step Nov 15 13:05:32 it might be we can just use the binary gl driver Nov 15 13:05:33 hey guys... is there X running on the N800? Nov 15 13:05:35 alterego, it defines some minimum capabilities (and boy do they mean minimal) and then how to query for extensions and such. nothing about hw. Nov 15 13:05:38 So are you guys giving up on Nokia ever releasing a driver? :) Nov 15 13:05:39 qos: yes Nov 15 13:05:40 I'll have a sit down and translate the asm into pseudo code Nov 15 13:05:57 alterego: we just don't like to wait indefinitly and kept in the dark Nov 15 13:06:05 wumpus: wrong libc, probably wrong abi, etc Nov 15 13:06:09 Sure, I can sympathise with that. Nov 15 13:06:10 lardman: all true Nov 15 13:06:38 could intercept the calls quite easily though by inserting a kernel driver to produce the /dev entry Nov 15 13:06:50 I just don't see us waiting more than a few months. Nov 15 13:06:51 also it's just curiousity as to what 3d capability is sitting unused in the n8800 Nov 15 13:07:07 wumpus, a great 3D capability. Nov 15 13:07:10 alterego: it'll keep us busy ;) Nov 15 13:07:16 Capable of quite a few million polygons :) Nov 15 13:07:26 alterego: you really think nokia will release drivers for it? Nov 15 13:07:27 alterego: why do you say that? DO you know something? Nov 15 13:07:33 wumpus, I'm 80% certain Nov 15 13:07:59 I know that "no comment" is not an answer. Nov 15 13:08:32 no, it isn't, just knowing that nokia is working on a driver would be great Nov 15 13:09:12 Yeah Nov 15 13:09:32 hooray! @ new 2007HE release Nov 15 13:09:38 Heh Nov 15 13:09:56 There's a new one again? Nov 15 13:10:09 3d support is really the only thing I'm still missing Nov 15 13:10:12 alterego: who do you work for? anything Nokia related? Nov 15 13:10:16 http://tinyurl.com/yvojht Nov 15 13:10:18 they fixed the initfs thingy dpb_ Nov 15 13:10:23 lardman, nope. Nov 15 13:10:31 * lardman is just wondering how you are 80% sure.... Nov 15 13:10:33 (they put an older version of it into the previous release) Nov 15 13:10:34 apart from that the n800 is a great gadget Nov 15 13:11:02 lardman, I've got a good sense of the future :P Nov 15 13:11:21 :) Nov 15 13:11:22 I can usually smell things like this. Nov 15 13:11:31 * czr can smell other kind of things usually Nov 15 13:11:41 :) Nov 15 13:11:48 but nokia is not lazy, on one hand I'd think if they could release a 3d driver they would have a long time ago Nov 15 13:11:54 That might be my curry from last night .. Nov 15 13:11:55 can somebody take a look at this error? http://pastebin.ca/774964 my scratchbox fools me when i try to compile qt-x11-opensource-src-4.3.2 Nov 15 13:12:14 nothing in maemo/hildon suggests that they've throught about having open gl es on the device at any point. Nov 15 13:12:15 it'd be also great for them to put 3-D in the ads Nov 15 13:12:19 wumpus, sure but there was a point I think they were expecting imgtec to get them a 2.6 driver. Nov 15 13:12:28 imgtec aren't creating a 2.6 driver .. Nov 15 13:12:32 and no, I don't know any secrets. just stating what anyone can see Nov 15 13:12:46 alterego: but a 2.6 driver exists Nov 15 13:12:47 thought even. Nov 15 13:12:49 czr, cairo? :) Nov 15 13:12:56 yes, we have a 2.6.10 driver Nov 15 13:13:00 alterego, cairo has _zero_ to do with ES Nov 15 13:13:07 And who created that driver? Nov 15 13:13:09 qos: create a smaller testcase and file to maemo bugzilla Nov 15 13:13:12 Ti Nov 15 13:13:14 cairo is there because of the GTK+ version bump and merge Nov 15 13:13:14 cairo is xrender based, not gl based Nov 15 13:13:16 probably Nov 15 13:13:32 wumpus, cairo can use GL as a backend. Nov 15 13:13:35 xrender accelerating is a whole different animal Nov 15 13:13:37 It would improve performance. Nov 15 13:13:37 it depends who has access to the ip for the powervr core Nov 15 13:13:48 Hmm. Nov 15 13:14:01 lardman, anyone who pays enough money and signs enough number of NDAs Nov 15 13:14:04 You'd think with the ammount of business TI get from Nokia that they'd be a bit nicer. Nov 15 13:14:12 there is a gl backend for cairo (glitz) but it's hardly ever used, and certainly not by gtk Nov 15 13:14:16 They have drivers for symbian. But we get left out in the cold. Nov 15 13:14:44 and ES is not really meant to accelerate non 3D Nov 15 13:14:52 there's OpenV something which I forget Nov 15 13:14:57 Sure .. I'm just guessing. Nov 15 13:15:04 which would be suited much better to cairo Nov 15 13:15:11 although cairo rendering model is slightly problematic too Nov 15 13:15:14 well the biggest technical problem is the link to the lcd Nov 15 13:15:17 GL would improve the GPS software no end .. Nov 15 13:15:37 depends on how both are implemented Nov 15 13:15:37 it's slow, and for full screen 3-D rendering you need to send the whole frame at full resolution each time Nov 15 13:15:44 We could properly compete with Android. Nov 15 13:15:48 using opengl for small contexts would not necessarily be any faster Nov 15 13:15:52 And their fancy three D eye-candy. Nov 15 13:16:30 the magical 3d driver that will fix all problems! Nov 15 13:16:48 well, it will make the device more attractive Nov 15 13:16:51 Well, maybe that is why we don't have drivers. Nov 15 13:16:55 suihkulokki, you mean OpenGL ES? ;-) Nov 15 13:16:57 Because of the display bandwidth issue. Nov 15 13:17:14 obviously 3D is the solution to all problems. Nov 15 13:17:21 well, the screen update might be slow, but we could still use the pixel doubling in lower resolution Nov 15 13:17:23 Maybe Nokia don't want to give us something that wont work well at all. Nov 15 13:17:38 that'd be ok for games Nov 15 13:17:46 But hopefully the next platform will have these issues fixed :) Nov 15 13:18:08 they can do video in realtime Nov 15 13:18:08 the display bandwidth shouldn't make any odds should it? Nov 15 13:18:29 surely the advantage of the 3d hardware is in the manipulation, then the screen updates can still be as slow as usual Nov 15 13:18:39 yeah Nov 15 13:18:48 As long as you can get ~24fps I wouldn't care :) Nov 15 13:18:55 and I'd settle with a lower resolution as well Nov 15 13:19:03 wumpus, 1x1 Nov 15 13:19:10 Hah Nov 15 13:19:13 ...and pixel doubling lives on... Nov 15 13:19:14 hey, if you settle for 0x0, I can provide you with 3D today! Nov 15 13:19:24 how often does the symbian driver model change? Nov 15 13:19:33 well I'm sure I can run mesa on 1x1 on the device :P Nov 15 13:19:33 lardman, not very often at all. Nov 15 13:19:37 if it's not often, that may be why Ti provide that Nov 15 13:19:40 It's pretty mature. Nov 15 13:20:00 wumpus, with 0x0 you might even get a decent framerate too :-) Nov 15 13:20:06 I'm assuming Ti do provide it and it's not Nokia themselves that is Nov 15 13:20:06 lardman: i'd imagien it having changed with symbian 9 Nov 15 13:20:23 gla55_: but not every 10 minutes like the Linux kernel ;) Nov 15 13:20:31 if an infinite framerate can be considered decent, yeah Nov 15 13:20:34 i'd be more inclined to assume that nokia/symbian did the most of the work of opengl es hw accelerated for symbian Nov 15 13:20:51 well, opengl es is opengl es Nov 15 13:20:54 or at least paid for it Nov 15 13:20:56 platform really doesn't come into it Nov 15 13:21:02 and Nokia don't have enough people to do this for Limux themselves? Nov 15 13:21:15 that may be a reason Nov 15 13:21:16 lardman: nokia buys a lot of even symbian stuff from outside Nov 15 13:21:28 they probably don't have the folks in-house Nov 15 13:21:33 * czr likes lardman's Limux Nov 15 13:21:36 oh, no reason not to do so with Linux then Nov 15 13:21:41 czr: oops Nov 15 13:21:42 limu = sodapop in finnish slang Nov 15 13:21:45 well budgets are always a reason Nov 15 13:21:48 lardman, neh, it was funny :-) Nov 15 13:21:50 czr: cool Nov 15 13:21:58 and internal powerplays and shit like that Nov 15 13:22:29 lardman, one could port it on top of symbian and get Slimux :-) Nov 15 13:22:33 gla55_: yes, that's my understanding of what's happening around the powervr on the n800, from some daniels made Nov 15 13:22:43 by the time we're at N900 we don't need opengl es anymore, it's fast enough to support full blown gl :P Nov 15 13:23:20 czr, that sounds dirty :P Nov 15 13:24:45 hmm. my n810 just reset itself Nov 15 13:24:48 interesting Nov 15 13:25:06 (has been sitting there for 12 hours without me doing anything with it, and then just bling) Nov 15 13:25:09 it's an optimization Nov 15 13:25:10 It could have the viruz! Nov 15 13:25:15 timo___, heh Nov 15 13:25:19 you would have reset it eventually anyway Nov 15 13:25:24 Hah Nov 15 13:25:24 nah, I'm pretty sure timo is right Nov 15 13:25:24 quick call fsecure Nov 15 13:25:26 dsp crash Nov 15 13:25:40 Well, my tablet hasn't ever reset itself. Nov 15 13:25:44 lardman, no audio/video was happening on the device. Nov 15 13:25:44 it's the reset-ahead functionality Nov 15 13:25:55 timo___, second generation read-ahead? Nov 15 13:26:05 cool Nov 15 13:26:13 a very advanced form of branch prediction Nov 15 13:26:17 it now predicts user actions too Nov 15 13:26:21 Oh, the new Kernel 2.7 pre-emptive reset-ahead feature. Nov 15 13:26:22 * czr instantly blogs about the inferiority of all other systems which don't yet implement the reset-ahead Nov 15 13:26:24 That's cool. Nov 15 13:26:36 wumpus, :-) Nov 15 13:26:45 must be the new instruction extensions which come with LEGv1 Nov 15 13:26:59 "yes, we now also provide LEGs that go with the ARMs" Nov 15 13:27:11 lol! Nov 15 13:27:11 LEGOv1 Nov 15 13:27:32 Has anyone here uploaded to extras-devel yet? Nov 15 13:27:36 "it comes apart easily" Nov 15 13:27:55 Is that StrongLEG? Nov 15 13:28:00 "The new instructions include important optimizations like: creating a turtle on the screen, moving the turtle and finalizing leaks that the turtle might leave on the screen" Nov 15 13:28:10 Hah Nov 15 13:28:11 alterego, that's the intel version. they'll be using small puppies. Nov 15 13:28:21 czr, that'd be the X-Leg Nov 15 13:28:41 LEGOMAP Nov 15 13:28:42 timo___, that's why they ship glue with each device ;-) Nov 15 13:29:08 GLUE: this instructions is necessary at variable points in the instruction stream to "optimize CPU coherency". Nov 15 13:29:11 instruction even. Nov 15 13:29:21 czr: are you at ruoholahti? Nov 15 13:29:28 Not using GLUE once a while might lead to additional device instability. Nov 15 13:29:34 timo___, nope, in hakaniemi (home) Nov 15 13:29:45 I can swing by ruohis if necessary though Nov 15 13:29:48 czr: ok.. there would have been one piece of cake left at the movial office :) Nov 15 13:30:02 ah. damn. I can have the cake but not eat it? Nov 15 13:30:07 don't bother, it will probably soon be gone Nov 15 13:30:14 or. since I'm here and the cake there, I can not have the cake but I can eat it, right? :-) Nov 15 13:30:23 umm.. Nov 15 13:30:34 * czr goes off to code dcc-eat support. Nov 15 13:30:34 makes as much sense as reset-ahead Nov 15 13:30:45 oh ,yeah, i can dcc it Nov 15 13:30:52 whee Nov 15 13:31:17 but that would make my keyboard sticky Nov 15 13:31:35 if i try to squeeze it by the key caps Nov 15 13:31:59 or rub it around your TFT screen Nov 15 13:32:24 I'd like dcc-coffee support Nov 15 13:32:30 Could someone help me getting network access working for maemo-mapper inside scratchbox? Nov 15 13:32:55 * czr better continue working on some real stuff for a while Nov 15 13:33:21 we have a coffee web cam now Nov 15 13:33:26 oo. Nov 15 13:33:35 does it detect and send d-bus signals when pot is ready? Nov 15 13:33:43 not yet Nov 15 13:33:46 don't give them ideas Nov 15 13:33:55 I always wanted one that did Nov 15 13:34:00 well, maybe not with d-bus, but something Nov 15 13:34:03 it was sponsored by opened hand for a while Nov 15 13:34:06 electric shocks from mouse or smt Nov 15 13:34:19 whigh reminds me, i have to send a bill to mallum Nov 15 13:34:22 which Nov 15 13:34:47 i found an opened hand sticker and propped it up so that it appeared at the corner of the picture Nov 15 13:34:52 I wonder why the device crashed though. Nov 15 13:35:24 yeah it's weird, usually has to do with the watchdog Nov 15 13:35:32 * czr only uses scary stickers nowadays, like this one: http://geekz.co.uk/shop/store/show/knuth-sticker-0 Nov 15 13:35:39 * czr nods at wumpus Nov 15 13:35:43 disable the watchdog :) Nov 15 13:35:46 but the device has been sitting there idling for ages Nov 15 13:36:02 Iso_: check resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf Nov 15 13:36:11 czr, it probably got bored. Nov 15 13:36:12 btw, the sticker conveniently covers the screen area of n810 too Nov 15 13:36:31 Tak: what do I need to do to them? apt-get and wget work, so name resolution is working from a shell... Nov 15 13:36:53 Is someone using the garnet vm ? :p Nov 15 13:37:05 hmm - then there's no reason mmapper shouldn't work afaik Nov 15 13:37:16 * lardman goes off for lunch, back later Nov 15 13:39:06 :-( And yet it doesn't... Nov 15 13:39:19 Well, it's mid-November ;-) Nov 15 13:39:22 I have the same problem with the app installer, which can't connect to the net. Nov 15 13:40:53 Ah, actually, updating my /etc/resolv.conf fixes the app installer! But Maemo-mapper still just sits there doing nothing... Nov 15 13:56:40 This would have taken less time for me if I'd just setup my own debian repository O_O Nov 15 14:02:21 :/ Nov 15 14:05:14 alterego: what's the problem? Nov 15 14:06:18 Uploading to extras-devel Nov 15 14:06:24 Can't seem to sign my packages. Nov 15 14:07:24 you're not trying to sign them inside scratchbox, are you? Nov 15 14:07:37 No Nov 15 14:08:46 I have the debs Nov 15 14:08:50 and the .changes files. Nov 15 14:09:38 debsign -kNNNNNNNN blah.dsc ? Nov 15 14:09:44 I then use debsign to sign the .changes file. And it throws out: "clearsign failed: secret key not available" Nov 15 14:10:05 hmm - does the correct key show up in gpg --list-keys ? Nov 15 14:10:24 I've only got one key :) Nov 15 14:10:38 Well .. pup and sub Nov 15 14:10:42 ~pub Nov 15 14:11:27 Interesting .. Nov 15 14:11:31 It just worked. Nov 15 14:11:34 huzzah! Nov 15 14:11:45 anyone working on port of this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsTqspnvAaI Nov 15 14:11:53 I wasn't specifying a -k option ;) Nov 15 14:19:04 alterego: 'echo "default-key " >> ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf' and you can omit -k when calling debsign :) Nov 15 14:22:37 * Tak echo Nov 15 14:22:43 chelli: cool, thanks Nov 15 14:22:46 chelli, thanks :) Nov 15 14:23:19 np :) Nov 15 14:24:31 * Tak no garnet vm Nov 15 14:25:37 ~/join #eclipse Nov 15 14:25:41 bah Nov 15 14:28:31 boolean logic irc :-) Nov 15 14:29:23 or, "use my version of the join command, which is far superior from the standard one" Nov 15 14:30:08 ~czr/join Nov 15 14:30:15 ^- czr's join script Nov 15 14:30:18 omg Nov 15 14:30:22 :) Nov 15 14:30:57 oh no. now all my valuable IPR is falling into the evil hands of evil internet hackers. Nov 15 14:30:58 is it true, that if i dont have nokia internet tablet, i cant download sources for it? Nov 15 14:31:10 in that way, i cant to port maemo to ipaq Nov 15 14:31:17 cofeineSunshine, you can install the SDK Nov 15 14:31:28 cofeineSunshine, installing the SDK does not require a device or any kind of code Nov 15 14:31:49 but sdk is for building apps for maemo Nov 15 14:31:53 that's not as bad as once there was a space in front and i didn't relize when i went to register my nick.. and told the whole channel my password ;) Nov 15 14:31:53 note that the SDK is not the same as "the device". the device contains other stuff as well (some of which is closed source to begin with) Nov 15 14:32:08 cofeineSunshine, indeed it is. Nov 15 14:32:23 bstock, happens to the best of us at some point :-) Nov 15 14:32:24 i want to build a maemo port for ipaq h2200 Nov 15 14:32:38 heh yep Nov 15 14:33:09 Doesn't Nokia host the Maemo site? Nov 15 14:33:55 FMz_, not directly. Nov 15 14:34:03 I think they need to find another host ;p Nov 15 14:34:07 * Tak notes that ~czr/join automatically dumps him into some very questionable channels Nov 15 14:34:37 Tak, that's because you didn't load all the "convert seemingly questionable language into interesting philosophical discussion" script as well Nov 15 14:35:02 * czr hides it before more of valuable IPR will fall into wrong hands Nov 15 14:35:03 Trying to find out if Video Center is yet ported to OS2008 Nov 15 14:35:26 I see - does that script get loaded into my irc client, or my brain? Nov 15 14:35:48 Tak, what, you are still using the discrete irc? it's designed for the integrated model. irc=brain=irc. Nov 15 14:36:07 ah, there's my problem Nov 15 14:36:16 Or irc===brain ? Nov 15 14:36:17 * Tak reflash brain with latest firmware Nov 15 14:37:26 hi. is the N810 really out already, like, can be bought by mere mortals? price... is not an object. it's the Dream Device. (keyboard, Linux, GPS, whee!) Nov 15 14:37:44 not yet Nov 15 14:37:55 * timo___ is still waiting for his Nov 15 14:38:04 chx: almost the dream device, if it only had 3d :) Nov 15 14:38:07 * czr dangles his before timo___ Nov 15 14:38:15 although technically it's not mine. Nov 15 14:38:17 czr: yuk Nov 15 14:38:23 i have my doubts about the gps reception Nov 15 14:38:37 czr: like this? http://www.kuvaton.com/kuvei/kassit.jpg Nov 15 14:38:45 timo___, no. not like that :-) Nov 15 14:38:53 some gps-builtin phones can't get a fix easily (fcc being too strict? or not strict enough on bt-gps modules?) Nov 15 14:38:54 chx: if you pay me $480, i will take the job of notifying you as soon as it is available Nov 15 14:39:14 haha Nov 15 14:39:45 czr: where did you get yours? Nov 15 14:39:52 I was born with them Nov 15 14:39:58 err. it's a secret :-) Nov 15 14:40:07 czr: i have 4 n800's here; 4 * 800 > 810, njäh njäh Nov 15 14:40:23 plus one more at home Nov 15 14:40:36 timo___, ah yes. but I have a 770, a 800 and a 810 and am breeding them together to get a 2380 Nov 15 14:40:46 czr: no, really Nov 15 14:40:49 i have my 770 to my godson Nov 15 14:40:51 sounds heavy Nov 15 14:40:57 chx, really. can't tell you. Nov 15 14:41:21 czr: let me ask this way. if you erm lose yours , would you be able to get another? Nov 15 14:41:31 if he tells you, he has to kill all your irc server connections Nov 15 14:41:39 or, perhaps, can you tell us why you can't tell us? Nov 15 14:41:41 chx, not without getting bitch-slapped seriously first. just be patient. Nov 15 14:41:41 and cause a netsplit unheard of before Nov 15 14:41:58 timo___++ Nov 15 14:41:59 * chx grabs a dictionary to find the meaning of 'patient' Nov 15 14:42:19 chx: do not have yourself admitted Nov 15 14:42:20 timo___, you have to change your nick to time__ now Nov 15 14:42:41 * timo___ misses the point Nov 15 14:42:42 chx: client in a hospital? ;) Nov 15 14:42:49 ___++ == __ Nov 15 14:43:01 although I could create havoc by running *= 2 on you. Nov 15 14:43:11 i still don't get it Nov 15 14:43:19 _ is mainus you see. Nov 15 14:43:26 the what? Nov 15 14:43:35 bah :-) Nov 15 14:44:19 eating too much cake affects your perception :-) Nov 15 14:45:54 yep Nov 15 14:46:04 i feel horrible Nov 15 14:47:00 hmm. should get some food soon. I've got a feeling that going to be working until midnight once again Nov 15 14:47:16 * czr wishes beer wouldn't have nasty side-effects Nov 15 14:48:51 it has only desired effects Nov 15 14:49:16 hmm. I could also do with some kind of cancellation pill Nov 15 14:49:17 most people don't drink alcoholic beverages with the intetion of getting a hangover Nov 15 14:49:28 i do Nov 15 14:49:32 no.. wait.. Nov 15 14:49:32 heh Nov 15 14:50:23 it would be great if beer tasted like shit, you wouldn't get drunk but you would still get the hangover Nov 15 14:50:45 err. you're not really helping yourself :-) Nov 15 14:51:23 Aah, the intellectual conversations heard in #maemo Nov 15 14:51:27 * Jon boggles Nov 15 14:52:14 all the osso guys are carousing on a ferry boat, so we are allowed to at least talk about beer and hangover Nov 15 14:52:20 W00t, n800 will be overclocked in OS2008 to same speed as n810 Nov 15 14:52:31 timo___, true. Nov 15 14:52:35 s/will be/is/ Nov 15 14:52:47 should we call the port-authorities on the other side to warn about these ppl? Nov 15 14:52:52 at least get some revenge on them Nov 15 14:52:58 "you want to put your hand where?!?" Nov 15 14:53:20 Will be... AFAIK OS2008 is not yet out Nov 15 14:53:35 is Nov 15 14:53:42 some people already have it on their n800 Nov 15 14:53:47 o_O Nov 15 14:53:49 i've read that it will be out in december... Nov 15 14:54:04 with the first patch Nov 15 14:54:26 Me too. Thats what Nokias page said Nov 15 14:54:53 it was all anyone could talk about yesterday Nov 15 14:55:03 today I guess it's been relegated to google Nov 15 14:55:20 Any links? Nov 15 14:55:26 www.google.com Nov 15 14:55:46 Damn you and all you stand for. Nov 15 14:56:11 lol Nov 15 14:56:31 :) Nov 15 14:56:40 yeah, is this place always like this, or just near releases? Nov 15 14:57:08 I've heard tell that there are occasionally technical conversations Nov 15 14:58:16 nope Nov 15 14:58:20 never Nov 15 14:58:48 more so near release Nov 15 14:58:52 mainly we discuss how great the iPhone is. Nov 15 14:59:30 or openmoko, or android, or whatever Nov 15 14:59:40 I think the most technical conversation I've seen in the last few days was about how to get android running on the n800 :P Nov 15 14:59:47 after that we discuss how great i am Nov 15 15:00:07 timo___, that needs no discussion. Nov 15 15:00:14 interesting, I don't think anyone has cared about windows mobile here Nov 15 15:00:16 everyone knows exactly how great you are :-) Nov 15 15:00:21 :( Nov 15 15:00:26 there was a lot of pvr driver discussion early this morning (EST) Nov 15 15:00:45 timo___, but we could theorize how much greater the greatness could get, if it could be possible :-) Nov 15 15:00:46 Tak: by accident? Nov 15 15:01:23 well...it was before I was here to corrupt the topic to czr's perverted irc scripts Nov 15 15:01:33 here was a young harlot from marlot, whose garter was bright bloody scarlet. when old men she saw, who called her a whore... she loved being a local starlet Nov 15 15:01:34 bah Nov 15 15:01:40 Ooops Nov 15 15:01:50 Tak, they're called "important and valuable intellectual property", not perverted! Nov 15 15:01:58 all my VMs are fscking their disks Nov 15 15:02:15 Forgot i was in this window, was playing with fullscreen keyboard Nov 15 15:04:13 ok...today I shall take the plunge and set up a new scratchbox with chinook and bora sdks Nov 15 15:05:27 scratchbox sucks Nov 15 15:06:00 timo___, no more cake for you :-) Nov 15 15:06:07 * timo___ is trying to advance the conversation Nov 15 15:06:09 * Tak tries to find the howto for sbox with multiple sdks Nov 15 15:06:20 Tak: just use multiple targets Nov 15 15:06:22 Tak, just edit the install scripts. Nov 15 15:06:31 There are two lines to edit Nov 15 15:06:32 just throw everything out of the window and go and have a beer Nov 15 15:06:39 and don't have several sdks open the same time Nov 15 15:06:41 Right at the top of the files. Nov 15 15:07:15 uhh...lol Nov 15 15:07:40 Tak, just change the variables: __target_prefix from SDK_ to something like maemo4-sdk and maemo3-sdk etc. Nov 15 15:09:01 "this option will be used later on in the next example." Nov 15 15:09:05 * czr bangs head against wall Nov 15 15:09:09 Hahah Nov 15 15:09:40 funny thing is, I wrote that more than two years ago, and NEVER has ANYONE actually noticed that. or maybe they've just been too tired. Nov 15 15:09:43 * Tak make sure all code is in vc Nov 15 15:11:33 * jumpula makes sure all code is in wc Nov 15 15:12:11 jumpula, does it also contain beer? timo___ would be interested for sure :) Nov 15 15:12:24 wc? Nov 15 15:12:26 beer? Nov 15 15:12:33 beer that tastes like crap. no? Nov 15 15:12:46 i prefer my beer outside the toilet bowl Nov 15 15:12:56 if the goal is to drink it :] Nov 15 15:13:39 well. It'll sooner or later end up in the toilet boil anyhow, one way or another ;) Nov 15 15:14:01 in an undrinkable form Nov 15 15:14:17 although, can't verify on the undrinkable. never actually tried. Nov 15 15:15:31 oh, in case anyone was wondering, a little bird told me that IT2008 does fix the bugs in maemo-summoner Nov 15 15:18:45 * czr wonders where db48x found a talking bird that uses IT2008 Nov 15 15:18:57 * alterego looks at Karonliina Nov 15 15:19:24 Is there a tablet facebook group? Nov 15 15:19:30 I think I'll make one if not :) Nov 15 15:19:32 facetablet? Nov 15 15:19:37 tablet-face Nov 15 15:19:48 my face is tabletish. do I qualify? Nov 15 15:19:52 Yes Nov 15 15:19:54 Why not .. Nov 15 15:21:32 theres some maemo fan clup, n810 and n800 groups Nov 15 15:22:15 pfft Nov 15 15:22:32 * alterego makes a maemo-lusers facebook group. Nov 15 15:22:39 alterego: there are loads Nov 15 15:23:05 Is there a good one? :D Nov 15 15:23:10 alterego: just the man. Any idea if Video Center is ported to OS2008 yet? Nov 15 15:24:57 * lardman finds he writes very efficient but undecipherable code when drunk Nov 15 15:25:34 FMz_, what's video center? Nov 15 15:25:36 :) Nov 15 15:25:54 lardman, do you code with a slur? Nov 15 15:26:25 no, a becks Nov 15 15:26:29 ;) Nov 15 15:26:33 ... the app you recommended Nov 15 15:26:36 Mmmm .. Becks ... Nov 15 15:26:37 lol Nov 15 15:26:52 FMz_, I think you might be getting me mixed up with someone else :) Nov 15 15:26:54 it does take me alsmost all of the next day to work out what the code does and if it works correctly, which it invariably does Nov 15 15:27:03 I don't even use "Video Center" Nov 15 15:27:19 I coulda sworn Nov 15 15:27:36 Aight, sorry man... lol Nov 15 15:27:38 * elb finds that most people think they're better at something when they're drunk, and pretty much universally they're not Nov 15 15:27:59 like all the people who claim to speak some language better when they're drunk Nov 15 15:28:08 there are some things that one won't contemplate doing while sober Nov 15 15:28:21 *that* is a different story ;-) Nov 15 15:28:22 like PhD thesis writing Nov 15 15:28:36 e.g. installing Windows Nov 15 15:28:39 * Tak waves goodbye to scratchbox Nov 15 15:28:48 why oh why? :( Nov 15 15:29:11 I've never actually installed Windows in all my life. Nov 15 15:29:23 wumpus: you know our missing symbols, where are they held in the module? Nov 15 15:29:32 Veggen, you're like a virgin Nov 15 15:29:36 A very lucky virgin .. Nov 15 15:29:39 heh Nov 15 15:29:40 (I've always lived under the philosophy that Windows is SEP :) Nov 15 15:29:55 more like somebody who's never seen goatse Nov 15 15:30:18 oh, I've seen goatse. Nov 15 15:30:29 I think it's better to see goatse than to install Windows. Nov 15 15:30:31 goatse is preferable to windows Nov 15 15:30:43 * FMz_ nods Nov 15 15:30:46 The VKB in 2008 seems very irratic. Nov 15 15:31:06 anyone interested in trying claws-mail on OS2008? (i would like to know if my port works before i flash OS2008 on my N800 and before i send the patch to the claws-mail developers) Nov 15 15:36:12 Is there a tool to look at the exported fns and variables of a given kernel module? Nov 15 15:36:58 ah, --section with objdump Nov 15 15:39:45 lardman: looking at PowerVR driver still? Nov 15 15:39:47 Right, next question, debugging information in a kernel module, what would one expect to find in there? Nov 15 15:39:50 Jaffa: yep Nov 15 15:40:45 I'm thinking of patching the pci calls that this module makes and changing them to something else that is exported by our kernel, where should I look for these function names? relocation table or similar? Nov 15 15:44:32 no ideas? Nov 15 15:45:37 hmm - so I'm not seeing the places in the scripts I should edit Nov 15 15:46:22 sbox with multiple sdks? Nov 15 15:46:46 I just install them to /scratchbox then move each one to e.g. /scratchbox.4.0 Nov 15 15:47:11 yeah, but then you have two scratchboxen Nov 15 15:47:30 indeed Nov 15 15:47:34 i guess sdk here refers to the maemo rootstrap Nov 15 15:47:45 you only need one sbox Nov 15 15:47:58 I suppose you need two though one for <4.0 and one for >=4.0? Nov 15 15:47:59 you can set up multiple sbox targets and use different rootstraps Nov 15 15:48:14 don't they use the same sbox version? Nov 15 15:48:20 I think not Nov 15 15:48:24 but am not sure Nov 15 15:48:41 if the 3.x version is from the newest installer, you don't Nov 15 15:48:53 lardman, sbox for 4.0 is the same as for 3.1/3.2 Nov 15 15:48:57 if it's just upgraded with apt-get, need 2 scratchboxes Nov 15 15:49:30 jumpula: sounds fun Nov 15 15:49:30 * czr prefers to have separate vms for each version Nov 15 15:50:02 the old 3.x models use generic debian devkit in their targets which is no longer present. although you can edit target config manually to fix this. Nov 15 15:50:03 i prefer no version Nov 15 15:50:24 sb2 ftw Nov 15 15:50:46 sound laster 2 Nov 15 15:50:49 +b Nov 15 15:51:00 * czr wonders when sb16 will come out then. should logically follow sb2. Nov 15 15:51:23 although there was no sb pro in between! Nov 15 15:51:55 * lardman is being attacked by a wasp in his office, time to relocate to home Nov 15 15:52:13 lardman, wsp in november? Nov 15 15:52:21 as long as it's not twisted sister Nov 15 15:52:23 * czr hides & runs Nov 15 15:52:32 wasp's twisted sister Nov 15 15:52:38 lisp Nov 15 15:52:51 czr: that is substandard Nov 15 15:53:01 what did you expect from me? :-) Nov 15 15:53:09 near-standard Nov 15 15:53:22 I boldly go where no standardization committee dares to enter Nov 15 15:53:55 time for you to go to a pub Nov 15 15:54:03 and don't take an irc-capable device with you Nov 15 15:54:10 hmm - is there a way to not install an x86 target? Nov 15 15:54:10 I wish. I drank almost two beers yesterday. Nov 15 15:54:20 timo___, but if I take n810, it's ok? :-) Nov 15 15:54:37 or rather, is it recommended to do so? Nov 15 15:54:51 Tak, if you plan to test your software, then install X86 Nov 15 15:54:59 the ARMEL is only suitable for building sw. not testing. Nov 15 15:55:08 I never, ever use the x86 target Nov 15 15:55:19 you do your testing on the device? Nov 15 15:55:22 yes. Nov 15 15:55:23 x86 targets are for wimps Nov 15 15:55:32 * Tak ^5 timo___ Nov 15 15:55:35 I guess you're free to do whatever you like :-) Nov 15 15:55:45 * Tak lament having to type 4 characters to complete timo___ Nov 15 15:56:09 Pdigin file transfer is b0rked. Nov 15 15:56:10 you can call me timo Nov 15 15:56:15 i won't mind Nov 15 15:56:39 s/file transfer // Nov 15 15:57:40 :) Nov 15 15:57:55 * Tak rm -rf /scratchbox Nov 15 15:58:57 sbox_stop first Nov 15 15:59:53 did that ;-) Nov 15 16:00:13 sbox_ctl stop Nov 15 16:01:10 rm -wtf /scratchbox Nov 15 16:02:07 hoho, bsdgames package includes wtf Nov 15 16:03:44 indeed. timo is also using ubuntu Nov 15 16:03:55 there is no ftw sadly Nov 15 16:04:31 debian Nov 15 16:04:53 ah Nov 15 16:05:21 hmm i wonder what lolcat(1) would do Nov 15 16:05:29 filter input? Nov 15 16:05:54 probably like chef Nov 15 16:07:37 I meun, prubebly leeke-a cheff. Bork Bork Bork! Nov 15 16:12:22 some1 tried palm apps on garnetvm? Nov 15 16:14:07 * lardman dislikes wasps Nov 15 16:25:43 another classic in the making: "We certainly didn't declare them anywhere in your Makefile." Nov 15 16:26:17 how irresponsible Nov 15 16:26:27 we must of course mean the same secretive society that is more commonly referred to as "them". Nov 15 16:27:00 I can only deduce that no one actually ever reads anything that I write. Nov 15 16:27:05 or bother to send any feedback :-) Nov 15 16:28:15 !news opengl Nov 15 16:28:51 pupnik, I don't know anything about opengl Nov 15 16:28:55 So, any clue where one could join the In Crowd and download OS2008 earlyy? Nov 15 16:29:27 FMz_, ask around for the crowd that are using the image meant for 810 on their 800 without realizing that the image is not meant for 800 ;-) Nov 15 16:29:30 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11704 you could search os2008 on ITT forums Nov 15 16:29:38 ah Nov 15 16:29:45 hola Nov 15 16:29:45 <_Monkey> salut, lopz Nov 15 16:30:04 Interesting thought czr... Nov 15 16:30:05 pupnik: doesn't it still require opengles libs that we don't have? Nov 15 16:30:19 anyone knows how to flash a n800 with the "dual boot" bootloader? Nov 15 16:30:22 Not gonna try that... heh Nov 15 16:31:02 damn this thing is taking ages to go through Nov 15 16:31:07 no wonder no one ever reads it. Nov 15 16:33:37 duno Tak Nov 15 16:34:14 Well, I just restarted 2008 and it doesn't seem to boot slow. So I don't see what people are complaining about :) Nov 15 16:34:21 If anything it boots better. Nov 15 16:35:02 heh Nov 15 16:35:33 i hope read/write speed is min 4MB/s for the swap Nov 15 16:35:38 At least as soon as the desktop is shown you can interact with it immediately. Where as there was a lot of lag upon booting 2007 Nov 15 16:35:50 alterego, I found it much more responsive too Nov 15 16:36:01 although I'm using a different version, but still. it's quite nice. Nov 15 16:36:01 interaction is overrated Nov 15 16:36:26 There are obviously a few bugs. Nov 15 16:37:17 MicroB seems a bit buggy. The VKB has some very annoying habits and obviously because it's not actually meant for my device the device information screen isn't populated correctly. Nov 15 16:38:41 I can't help but think maybe the N810 has caused Nokia to be a little careless with it on the N800 .. Though I kind of find this hard to believe. Nov 15 16:39:19 alterego, you say that while running the image that is meant for n810? Nov 15 16:39:39 I'd think their priorities is getting n810 out properly, not getting the update on the n800 working perfectly. Nov 15 16:39:52 so one can just speculate what it means wrt functionality and bugs Nov 15 16:40:38 So you think they might be being a bit sloppy with N800 support in OS2008? Nov 15 16:40:48 I don't know Nov 15 16:41:08 but I'd assume they have business priorities like everyone else and the pool of devs is limited. Nov 15 16:41:18 you cant really judge it by the n810 flash running on the n800.. Nov 15 16:41:29 Well, the VKB issue seems quite appearanty with ignoring it because of the hardware keyboard :) Nov 15 16:41:43 Yeah, OS2008.2 is what's going to be officially released for the N800 Nov 15 16:42:46 I don't see why the rootfs would be any different for N800 or N810 Nov 15 16:42:54 Initfs .. Sure .. Kernel .. Sure. Nov 15 16:43:09 Though, it doesn't even look like the kernel image is different .. Nov 15 16:43:24 * Jaffa shrugs - it's a pre-release for the people who've got N810s already. We don't even know it's the N810 production version. Nov 15 16:44:53 Sure, except it wasn't uploaded until after the announcement that the final version was ready. Nov 15 16:44:59 And the N810 was being distributed. Nov 15 16:45:29 <|R> some picture of the n810 have N00 as a number... (or maybe i hallucinated) Nov 15 16:46:12 hey, what repositories do I need to install UKMP? it always complains about mediacenter and python2.5-runtime, which can not be installed? Nov 15 16:46:39 n00 models are prototypes Nov 15 16:46:40 i'm gonna release gpe-sudoku for os2008 Nov 15 16:46:51 oil: extras should have python2.5 Nov 15 16:46:51 mediacenter = ukmp Nov 15 16:47:13 <|R> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=1621568689&size=l Nov 15 16:47:15 <|R> like this :) Nov 15 16:47:17 repository.maemo.org chinook free non-free is needed for python2.5 Nov 15 16:47:26 extras is already configured, should enable it also Nov 15 16:47:38 * lardman wonders why python2.5 isn't installed in the chinook sdk....? Nov 15 16:47:47 lardman: The following packages have unmet dependencies: Nov 15 16:47:47 python2.5: Depends: libbz2-1.0 but it is not installable Nov 15 16:47:47 Depends: libgdbm3 but it is not installable Nov 15 16:47:59 when I try to install python2.5 Nov 15 16:48:09 and I have extras activated as well Nov 15 16:48:27 oil: They are in the sdk repositories. But should be uploaded to extras. Nov 15 16:48:27 add the sdk repo Nov 15 16:48:38 bedboi: Thanks! Love Sudoku Nov 15 16:48:49 which is the sdk repo? Nov 15 16:49:03 sorry for stupid questions :) Nov 15 16:49:07 looking at reggie's N810 walkthrough - it's amazing how compact it is Nov 15 16:49:09 The plan about the SDK repository is that all libs that are not shipped in the device, should be uploaded in extras. Nov 15 16:49:14 repository.maemo.org Nov 15 16:49:15 <_Monkey> well, repository.maemo.org is ok Nov 15 16:49:49 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ chinook free non-free Nov 15 16:49:50 is on my hildon-application-manager.list Nov 15 16:50:14 and I had the same problem with 2007, then wanted to try 2008 if it would work Nov 15 16:50:35 oil: copy that one and remove the extras from the end of the url Nov 15 16:52:04 good read for everyone: http://c-wd.net/machine/ Nov 15 16:52:04 oh dear.. that was it. feeling.. well reddish :) Nov 15 16:52:42 thanks a great deal Nov 15 16:55:59 <|R> http://ustream.tv/channel/thoughtfixs-live-show Nov 15 16:56:20 uh. still errors. http://oil.iki.fi/tmp/maemo-python2.5-runtime-error.txt Nov 15 16:56:44 <|R> ah man this site is so broken... Nov 15 16:57:00 <|R> last time i couldn't login to my new account, this time it doesn't acquire a nickname to it's irc server! Nov 15 16:57:18 is show running? Nov 15 16:57:45 <|R> yep Nov 15 16:57:49 erstazi: I've got a since of deja vu reading it, I've read it before - many years ago (I'm certain) Nov 15 16:58:53 erstazi: interesting Nov 15 16:59:20 damn, the web browser is so fast Nov 15 16:59:37 * |R will never be able to participate ;) Nov 15 17:00:31 it's liek the time tunnel Nov 15 17:00:56 hmm. I suppose I just keep on doing google work with my ukmp Nov 15 17:01:14 Tak and Jaffa: yeah its amazing how it was written in 1909... EM Forster predicts the internet, social networking sites, video conferencing etc etc Nov 15 17:01:31 but then again. how much latency do you have while doing ping to the n800 os2008? Nov 15 17:01:55 yep erstazi i read that story in 1986 and was pretty much ... rebooted brain Nov 15 17:02:02 hehe Nov 15 17:02:03 for me it's 18-300 ms from the router while other devices are much less. Nov 15 17:02:30 wait Nov 15 17:02:55 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 3.222/26.395/100.307/33.364 ms Nov 15 17:03:47 round-trip min/avg/max = 32.9/153.6/279.3 ms Nov 15 17:03:47 - using wep Nov 15 17:04:12 mine is without wep Nov 15 17:04:27 which of course changes things a lot Nov 15 17:05:34 but I did not felt that it was this slow previously Nov 15 17:07:40 oil: you lack the deps Nov 15 17:07:47 oil: ukmp 1.7 beta and python2.5 is running fine here on chinook Nov 15 17:07:59 oil: did you apt-get update? Nov 15 17:08:06 what's the root password in OS2008? Nov 15 17:08:12 rootme Nov 15 17:08:12 <_Monkey> rootme is the default pw? Nov 15 17:08:13 lardman: yes I did Nov 15 17:08:41 nope. Nov 15 17:08:50 oil: do those packages exist in the repo? Nov 15 17:09:10 yes they do i installed python like 10 minutes ago Nov 15 17:09:56 My net tubes are clogged. Nov 15 17:10:01 I think my ISP has been smoking Nov 15 17:10:02 770 using wep, same network round-trip min/avg/max = 22.3/63.2/243.3 ms (the first packet is the long one. others 22ms) Nov 15 17:10:04 try installing python2.5 rather than python2.5-runtime Nov 15 17:10:34 use application manger instead apt-get? Nov 15 17:11:11 dunno, could do Nov 15 17:15:05 python2.5 is installed by apt-get, now trying to install python2.5-runtime by application manager Nov 15 17:15:28 -runtime isn't in the same repo, or at least didn't look like it was Nov 15 17:15:38 therefore it might depend on different versions Nov 15 17:17:01 .. and that worked. great. Nov 15 17:17:35 I love it when a plan comes together Nov 15 17:19:30 ..kind of.. ukmp dark starts, says 'reading music information' .. and does the beatifull crashdown :) Nov 15 17:20:07 start it from the terminal, see what it says... Nov 15 17:22:22 http://oil.iki.fi/tmp/maemo-ukmp-error.txt Nov 15 17:22:53 hmm you should try latest beta Nov 15 17:23:14 juh0: where can I get one? Nov 15 17:23:14 <_Monkey> i heard one was a real bug where dpad scrolling does not stop when you release the button Nov 15 17:23:59 http://n800.gotdns.org/TimeWiki.html#Maemo Nov 15 17:24:13 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=234&release_id=876 Nov 15 17:29:53 I'm getting "permission denied" errors when attempting to upload to extras-devel Nov 15 17:30:01 Anyone got any solution for me? :) Nov 15 17:31:54 not one that you would like :) Nov 15 17:32:04 :/ Nov 15 17:32:12 I can only guess it's because of my public key. Nov 15 17:32:31 Is there a way to force keyboard-interactive authentication? Nov 15 17:32:37 (without deleting my key) Nov 15 17:33:38 when is will comingness N810 to store when is N810 time? Nov 15 17:33:54 Nice command of English pupnik Nov 15 17:34:16 i am turning japanese Nov 15 17:34:22 soon tell time release of date. Nov 15 17:34:24 you really think so? Nov 15 17:34:33 :) Nov 15 17:34:36 pupnik, starting to like Ruby yet? Nov 15 17:35:12 Liking Ruby would make it more likely you're turning Japanese. Nov 15 17:35:13 i changed like 10 characters of a ruby script Nov 15 17:36:05 * Tak like ruby, not turning japanese Nov 15 17:36:19 Hmm .. Keep getting "lost connection" Nov 15 17:36:21 'turning japanese' was one of the first songs my college band played live Nov 15 17:36:34 Heh Nov 15 17:36:46 * lardman was also wondering when the n810's will have been sent to the shops? Nov 15 17:37:00 Do I need to talk to someone to allow me to upload to extras-devel? Nov 15 17:37:02 * Tak fakeroot apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev Nov 15 17:37:05 I thought it was completely public .. Nov 15 17:37:21 is extras-devel even configured yet? Nov 15 17:37:43 alterego: you had some connectivity problems with internet? which part of the world are you located Nov 15 17:37:57 I'm not having connectivity problems. Nov 15 17:38:12 I'm having uploading to extras-devel problems. Nov 15 17:38:40 alterego: earlier 'alterego> My net tubes are clogged.' Nov 15 17:38:53 Meh, just a bit of lag. Nov 15 17:39:06 just wondering as mine has been very slow today (thailand) Nov 15 17:39:21 It's dinner time so there'll be loads of people online. Nov 15 17:39:32 I'm in UK Nov 15 17:39:57 i'm in agony Nov 15 17:40:08 morphine? Nov 15 17:40:15 ukmp1.7 seems to be working very well. now going trought the album covers. however I had to uninstall 1.621 version before I could install the 1.7. Nov 15 17:40:28 morphine the better Nov 15 17:40:44 not sure it would help Nov 15 17:40:46 solmumaha: you should with you nickname :) Nov 15 17:40:49 anybody else used softpoweroff in chinook/n800? screen events remain active when i switch Nov 15 17:41:46 oil: doesn't require morphine anymore Nov 15 17:43:15 N810 available in 2 weeks. (UK) Nov 15 17:43:19 www.carrypad.com Nov 15 17:43:36 whoa. this ukmp looks really cool. now playing 'Baarikarpanen' - old finnish drinking song :) Nov 15 17:43:44 -_- Nov 15 17:44:09 * Tak Korpiklaani: Karhunkaatolaulu Nov 15 17:44:11 pupnik: thanks Nov 15 17:44:19 soooo long to wait Nov 15 17:44:39 lardman: somehow I think they don't really know the date yet.. Nov 15 17:44:55 why do you think that? Nov 15 17:44:59 software issues? Nov 15 17:45:09 I mean the shops doesn't know it Nov 15 17:45:17 Expansys' dates aren't massively accurate, though. Nov 15 17:45:34 ah yes, so it could actually be tomorrow :) Nov 15 17:45:49 lardman: yes. Let's hope so :) Nov 15 17:47:47 what a waste - hoping for yesterday would be much more productive Nov 15 17:48:44 hacking kernel modules would be more useful too Nov 15 17:48:48 :) Nov 15 17:49:12 I gave up and asked the mailing list. Nov 15 17:49:19 I can't be bothered to waste anymore time on it .. Nov 15 17:49:20 I'm amazed. this player is ipod/iphone user interface quality Nov 15 17:49:31 I have more important things .. Nov 15 17:49:34 Like ruby 2.0! Nov 15 17:49:57 maemo.org broken again... Nov 15 17:50:09 >:( Nov 15 17:50:31 hello Nov 15 17:50:56 can I use my sprint treo 650 (w/ unlimited data plan) to access the internet on a n770? Nov 15 17:51:59 harminoff, if it has BT DUN capabilities yes. Nov 15 17:52:09 ohh, no 'how' Nov 15 17:52:10 yes Nov 15 17:52:10 is there a good guide on how to set-up a .install file/ Nov 15 17:52:10 ? Nov 15 17:52:14 I have one Nov 15 17:52:17 works fine Nov 15 17:52:18 for os2008 Nov 15 17:55:45 'unable to get login information for username "levi" at /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/dpkg/controllib.pl line 65. dh_shlibdeps: command returned error code 6400' Nov 15 17:56:08 Anybody else catch Nokia's awesome trendiness? ;) http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/greenspearhead.jpg Nov 15 17:56:12 this is while building a test deb package in the chinook rootfs Nov 15 17:56:15 any ideas? Nov 15 17:56:41 Tak, weird. IS your username levi? Nov 15 17:56:49 indeed Nov 15 17:57:10 hmm...although `whoami` doesn't know who I am either Nov 15 17:57:13 I've never seen that happen. Nov 15 17:57:15 * Tak digs around in /etc/passwd Nov 15 17:57:26 That could be your problem then ;) Nov 15 17:57:39 do I need to recreate the user for each rootstrap? Nov 15 17:57:41 are you sure that rootme is the root password in os2008 Nov 15 17:57:42 ? Nov 15 17:57:50 Tak, no Nov 15 17:58:07 bedboi, maybe. OS2008 isn't out yet though :P Nov 15 17:59:10 hmm - I have a passwd entry in the bora fs, but not the chinook Nov 15 17:59:43 bedboi: yes Nov 15 18:00:16 There's a password entry in my rootfs .. Nov 15 18:00:21 bedboi, you have to enable R&D Nov 15 18:00:49 * alterego starts working on Ruby2.0-maemo Nov 15 18:01:07 It's gonna be the greatest thing since we landed on the moon (appearantly) Nov 15 18:01:34 * Tak adds one Nov 15 18:01:46 <_berto_> alterego: then hurry up because i'm releasing vagalume 0.3 sooner or later Nov 15 18:01:49 <_berto_> :-) Nov 15 18:02:07 _berto_, chinook packages for ruby-maemo are out :) Nov 15 18:02:24 <_berto_> and vagalume 0.2 too, but I was only joking obviously Nov 15 18:02:25 <_berto_> :) Nov 15 18:02:34 I've been trying to sort out a one-click-install but until I can upload to extras-devel I can't do it :/ Nov 15 18:04:14 I don't think I'll release ruby1,8-maemo 0.4.0 tomorrow. Nov 15 18:04:20 I'll probably try and get it out on Monday. Nov 15 18:04:52 alterego it does have bluetooth, how do I check if it has dun? Nov 15 18:05:08 does somebody know how the Notifications dbus interface for infoprints works in os2008? The old banner dbus interface seems to be gone Nov 15 18:05:11 harminoff, try it and see if it works ;) Nov 15 18:05:43 I thought there was an info-print wrapper .. Nov 15 18:05:59 alterego: what's the difference in 0.4.0 ? Nov 15 18:06:08 Tak, desktop plugins! :) Nov 15 18:06:12 hi all :) Nov 15 18:06:12 ah Nov 15 18:06:14 huzzah! Nov 15 18:06:19 i dont have a tablet and will only buy one if it does work Nov 15 18:06:23 alterego: infoprint wrapper? Nov 15 18:06:23 _berto_: hi berto! Nov 15 18:06:38 well I know that I can connect my treo650 to a laptop and use pdanet to access the internet Nov 15 18:06:42 kulve, yeah .. A script for HildonBanner Nov 15 18:06:51 hooray, xmaeme builds in chinook Nov 15 18:07:06 alterego: hmm.. have to check out. You don't happen to have an url for that? :) Nov 15 18:07:15 kulve, no, sorry :/ Nov 15 18:07:44 kulve, hang on .. What's the dbus-send that doesn't work in chinook? Nov 15 18:07:55 harminoff, if it has BT DUN capabilities yes. Nov 15 18:08:01 also if it has PAN Nov 15 18:08:26 IT OS doesn't directly support PAN Nov 15 18:08:26 harminoff: DUN works fine with the 770. Nov 15 18:08:30 I have a 650 and a 770 Nov 15 18:08:34 harminoff: yes, it has. Read the manual: http://europe.nokia.com/A4678157 Nov 15 18:08:47 alterego: the old status bar had an interface for sending the message to be shown as banners. But there seems to be a standard Notification interface now (with infoprint modification) Nov 15 18:08:48 RobAtWork: what is a 650? Nov 15 18:09:17 the Treo harminoff was inquiring about connecting to a 770 Nov 15 18:09:28 not directly, but is possible to use it , after a bit of hacking :) Nov 15 18:09:33 kulve, yeah .. What was the command line? Nov 15 18:09:33 ah ok Nov 15 18:09:42 kulve, occured to me that those things have changed names. Nov 15 18:09:54 kulve, so the API might be there .. But under a different object. Nov 15 18:10:15 dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.statusbar /com/nokia/statusbar com.nokia.statusbar.system_note_infoprint string:"foobar" Nov 15 18:10:28 alterego: yeah, that can be Nov 15 18:12:35 kulve, well .. Looking in /usr/share/dbus-1/services .. I don't see a statusbar Nov 15 18:12:56 thank you Nov 15 18:13:17 evening Nov 15 18:13:22 wow - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/11/14/palm_os_on_nokia/ Nov 15 18:13:27 kulve, doesn't appear to be _anything_ in there that'd do what you want. Nov 15 18:13:59 alterego, statusbar has been replaced by fdo.notification Nov 15 18:14:17 let me dig for the dbus-send example Nov 15 18:14:24 czr, can it be accessed from the command line? Do you have the dbus-send command? Nov 15 18:14:25 (just fixed mine two days back or so) Nov 15 18:14:28 Ah, nice. Nov 15 18:14:30 yes yes, give me a sec Nov 15 18:15:32 bleh. I don't have a dbus-send example directly. give me a sec, I'll make one :-) Nov 15 18:15:42 :) Nov 15 18:15:44 updated one program to use the new interface, but not the dbus-send examples Nov 15 18:16:10 aaargh, no osso-statusbar-cpu on os2008 :-( Nov 15 18:16:19 L0cutus, yeah .. I miss that too ;) Nov 15 18:16:41 L0cutus: I'm sure those show up, once the device is out :) Nov 15 18:16:47 hard to test them before hand Nov 15 18:16:55 Well .. Not really ;) Nov 15 18:17:08 sdk isn't here ? :) Nov 15 18:17:15 Looks like ~150 people have already upgraded to 2008 Nov 15 18:17:21 only ? Nov 15 18:17:22 :) Nov 15 18:17:46 Well, out of the 4k or so registered members that's not much I guess. Nov 15 18:17:53 alterego, run-standalone.sh dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Hello world" uint32:0 string:"buttontxt" Nov 15 18:17:54 <_berto_> 2008 for the N800 is out ? Nov 15 18:17:57 I wonder what the ratio of 770:N800 is Nov 15 18:18:02 <_berto_> is it official? Nov 15 18:18:07 czr, thanks :) Nov 15 18:18:10 _berto_, no Nov 15 18:18:10 second parameter works the same way as it did for statusbar. the new (third) param is the button text Nov 15 18:18:23 alterego, if you leave the button text as '', it will be the 'default' (which is Ok) Nov 15 18:18:28 <_berto_> so how did they upgrade? Nov 15 18:18:44 _berto_, they installed the N810 image into N800 Nov 15 18:18:46 czr, thanks Nov 15 18:18:52 <_berto_> czr: ahm, ok Nov 15 18:18:54 czr: how about infoprints? Nov 15 18:19:05 I would like to have just a note, no interaction Nov 15 18:19:06 czr, that's the note dialog. Not the HildonBanner info print .. Nov 15 18:19:15 Still usefull to know though ;) Nov 15 18:19:25 hmm. but it was also handled by statusbar Nov 15 18:19:35 you could read the libosso source code. it has the method names and stuff Nov 15 18:19:43 implementation for the infoprint thingy is there. Nov 15 18:19:48 or rather, the d-bus call Nov 15 18:20:03 _berto_: maybe you have a private chat ;) Nov 15 18:21:44 alterego, kulve, I only use the note dialog in my stuff. hence, you'll have to dig in the libosso source to find the answer. or maybe there is an fdo spec by now on the notifications interface. Nov 15 18:22:07 <_berto_> ok, I was just curious ;) Nov 15 18:23:42 Woo ! MicroB crash! :) Nov 15 18:23:46 My first 2008 crash ^_^ Nov 15 18:23:51 Anyhow .. Dinner time. Nov 15 18:24:12 you're going to eat the pieces of microb? :-) Nov 15 18:26:16 <_berto_> Andy80: I'm not a registered user, I cannot send private msgs :( Nov 15 18:26:22 oo. I found an interesting feature in the notifications thingy Nov 15 18:26:28 alterego, try icon-type 4 Nov 15 18:26:31 _berto_: ah ok... you read mine anyway? Nov 15 18:26:34 <_berto_> yes Nov 15 18:26:52 <_berto_> thanks, I'll let you know in case I need help :) Nov 15 18:27:14 interesting. there also seems to be a bug with icon-type 5 Nov 15 18:27:36 who confesses to know something about hildon_desktop_notification_manager_system_note_dialog? Nov 15 18:27:44 <_berto_> Andy80: thx, my contact info is in my webpage Nov 15 18:27:51 (the function name reminds me of why I don't like PHP that much) Nov 15 18:28:12 ok :) Nov 15 18:32:09 1 day left to submit entries to the thoughtfix N810 giveaway Nov 15 18:32:31 alterego, kulve: SystemNoteInfoprint Nov 15 18:33:11 hmm. is there are http interface to project/haf/truk/libosso somewhere? Nov 15 18:33:15 (silly question, I know) Nov 15 18:33:30 cat /dev/fb0 > something.raw is not good for taking screenshots Nov 15 18:34:15 found it, nm Nov 15 18:34:59 alterego, kulve, so just use that membername, and it will work (interfaces and service names stay the same as in SystemNoteDialog) Nov 15 18:35:06 afk -> Nov 15 18:36:15 Hi Nov 15 18:36:36 Is there a maemo sdk 4 (not beta) wmware appliance ? Nov 15 18:36:46 or is it too early ? :) Nov 15 18:39:44 <_berto_> mmm Nov 15 18:39:50 <_berto_> I have one with 2 3 and 4 Nov 15 18:40:05 <_berto_> for qemu Nov 15 18:40:27 czr, magick you're a star :) Nov 15 18:40:37 it would be great if we could have different SDK in a single Scratchbox installation, selecting them with sb-menu... Nov 15 18:40:38 i use bochs to emulate the tablet cpu Nov 15 18:40:56