**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 16 02:59:58 2007 Nov 16 03:00:15 2007 or 2008... Nov 16 03:00:21 I did the boot menu thing alread also, its working great Nov 16 03:00:46 The new bootmenu wont boot to 2007 will it? Nov 16 03:00:59 ok i need to get xterm on this thing so i can make some sense thats what i am gathering Nov 16 03:01:26 now how do you do that with an application manager that freezes Nov 16 03:01:31 No xterm for 2008 yet :-( Nov 16 03:01:48 YHYHIAMHERE: yup :) tried downloading the deb and double clicking on it in file-manager? Hopefully the app manager won't try and refresh anything and it'll install ok. Nov 16 03:01:58 K`zan: xterm's already there ;) Nov 16 03:02:04 It will boot the 2007 OS but no wlan Nov 16 03:02:16 xterm is built in to 2008 Nov 16 03:02:21 utilities menu Nov 16 03:02:24 scroll down :) Nov 16 03:02:26 Ah, I was llooking a bit ago and osso wasn't there. Nov 16 03:02:30 ok so what version do i need for it2006he edition Nov 16 03:02:31 I coulndt find it either Nov 16 03:02:31 Ah, understand. Nov 16 03:02:42 will 2008 fit in the n800? Nov 16 03:02:47 yes Nov 16 03:02:50 only 128M IIRC. Nov 16 03:03:04 right, let's install this bootmenu Nov 16 03:03:30 < 24 hours before my n800 arrives :) Nov 16 03:07:58 YHY...: installing xterm is a bit of a bitch, it has so many dependencies (ncurses etc.). your best bet is putting openssh on there and logging in remotely Nov 16 03:08:42 * elb passes out the free urxvt again Nov 16 03:10:06 thanks you given me a start give me a while see if i get anyware new thanks Nov 16 03:12:08 yabbas ETA 10 minutes Nov 16 03:12:31 :) :) Nov 16 03:12:38 is dropbear compiled for sk8 yet? Nov 16 03:12:43 *2k8 Nov 16 03:12:59 I dont have a .kde yet, so it will start with Kpersonalizer Nov 16 03:13:18 the kvkbd is in the menu Nov 16 03:13:19 that's cool Nov 16 03:13:29 and cellwriter is on the also, Nov 16 03:13:33 yabbas: possibly not, but openssh is definately available :) Nov 16 03:13:48 run cellwriter from command line I have no shortcut for it Nov 16 03:13:49 oh hang on, what's sk8? Nov 16 03:14:08 i guess you're not referring to os2008... Nov 16 03:14:17 sk8 is my spackhands doing stuff they shouldn't do when I clearly should be asleep instead of waiting for KDE :D Nov 16 03:14:50 4 minutes Nov 16 03:14:51 <_Monkey> 4 minutes is a little while Nov 16 03:15:04 danm monkies Nov 16 03:15:13 very nice video by reggie on ITT on N810 usage... Nov 16 03:15:38 can't view any of them because ubuntu is being silly with my nforce 2 chipset :( Nov 16 03:16:04 yabbas: my nvidia binary wouldn't install here, so i just used xorg's nv driver Nov 16 03:16:51 pupnik: it's the sound I don't get...ATi video's ok, barely Nov 16 03:17:25 hey all, is maemo.org typically slow? it seems fine on a PC/laptop but browsing it from my N800 is always horrible... it'll just hang there saying "Connecting" and not go anywhehre Nov 16 03:17:39 other sites seem to work fine :\ Nov 16 03:18:52 is it just maemo.org that is slow on your n800? Nov 16 03:19:12 it seems so... I'm trying to browse the downloads to grab some apps.. Nov 16 03:19:25 for example I search for "kvmp" in the search box, and it just hangs at "Connecting" Nov 16 03:19:30 hmmm Nov 16 03:19:36 browsing wikipedia is fine though Nov 16 03:19:45 if most sites are affected it could be the wireless power saving mode problem - which OS are you running 2007 or 2008? Nov 16 03:19:49 2007 Nov 16 03:20:08 I'm getting - "Unable to install (null). Incompatible application package." when trying to add repos from gronmayer through the web browser. Nov 16 03:20:20 i think that's been reported on itt recently Nov 16 03:20:31 do it manually? Nov 16 03:20:31 try searching there Nov 16 03:20:36 itt? Nov 16 03:20:37 <_Monkey> itt is probably http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums Nov 16 03:20:39 ko Nov 16 03:20:42 its in you inbox :) Nov 16 03:20:48 oh hang on sorry getting my conversations mixed up :) Nov 16 03:20:50 sorry yabbas Nov 16 03:20:52 cheers pb :) Nov 16 03:21:08 let me know how things go Nov 16 03:21:16 milhouse: no worries :) Nov 16 03:21:23 wait.. its doing it on cnn.com too Nov 16 03:21:24 penguinbait: as always :) Nov 16 03:21:52 hanging on 'connecting' Nov 16 03:21:58 I just finished it today, I have been running it for about 2 hours Nov 16 03:22:04 lophye - check bug 1636 Nov 16 03:22:04 <_Monkey> Bug 1636 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1636 Nov 16 03:22:18 I suggest a swap partition, do you normally use one? Nov 16 03:22:28 yup, the full 128mb Nov 16 03:23:04 I have a 128MB partition on mmc0 and I boot from mmc1 Nov 16 03:23:04 i have 6gb dedicated to the internal partition Nov 16 03:23:09 nice to see that bug is now fixed in os2008 (option to adjust power saving mode in Connections->Advanced) Nov 16 03:23:23 I didn't realize os2008 was out.. perhaps I should upgrade to it Nov 16 03:23:33 its not out Nov 16 03:23:36 ah Nov 16 03:23:38 officially Nov 16 03:23:46 it kind of sneaked out... Nov 16 03:23:50 does the 770 still get updates? Nov 16 03:23:54 I just got my n800 yesterday, I'm eager to play Nov 16 03:24:08 corvette - yes, an update came out earlier this week (OS 2007 HE) Nov 16 03:24:16 and another is due before the year is out Nov 16 03:24:39 milhouse: does 2007 hacked edition work fine? Nov 16 03:24:48 i've never had a problem with it Nov 16 03:24:59 milhouse: how is it different than the real version Nov 16 03:25:00 ITT forums broken here for threads including screenshots Nov 16 03:25:10 too wide - right hand side controls get cut off Nov 16 03:25:12 well, a major problem that is - it has rought edges here and there but on the whole it's better than OS2006 IMHO Nov 16 03:25:15 for what 100$ for a 770 nowadays, it works plenty good :) Nov 16 03:25:40 corvette - how is it different from the real version? you mean how is OS2007 different from OS2006? Nov 16 03:26:00 duh hang on, how is OS2007HE diff from OS2007? Nov 16 03:26:02 milhouse: yes Nov 16 03:26:15 milhouse: both Nov 16 03:26:46 wasnt HE made so libs would match n800 and software would run? Nov 16 03:27:01 2007HE is for 770, 2007 is for N800 Nov 16 03:27:15 corvette: on the whole 2007 and 2007HE are very similar. some low level differences such as the kernel (on the 770, OS2007HE uses the same kernel as OS2006) but in terms of the shipping applications they're the same, and most third party applications will work Nov 16 03:27:29 and pupnik just summarised it nicely :) Nov 16 03:28:00 milhouse: and differences between 2007 and 2006? Nov 16 03:28:14 that should have been "and most third party applications written for OS2007 will work on OS2007HE" Nov 16 03:28:28 corvette: loads Nov 16 03:28:40 is there a changelog or something somewhere Nov 16 03:28:48 fat chance... Nov 16 03:29:05 hm, still seems kinda slow... Nov 16 03:29:06 It'd be 30 pages long. Nov 16 03:29:08 penguinbait: do you know if the 2K8 tar has the same file path limitation that 2K7 tar had? Nov 16 03:29:48 a change log is something that's been promised for at least the last 2 or 3 releases... always "next time" :) Nov 16 03:29:55 not sure I just used the old ones on my website, they are in th PM I sent you Nov 16 03:30:01 okies Nov 16 03:30:12 if the old ones work I'll use them :) Nov 16 03:30:47 milhouse: I think "maemo hackers" is an apt term :) Nov 16 03:30:49 the biggest change with OS2007HE (latest build) is that Micro-b (Mozilla browser) is now the default browser, although Opera is still available. Nov 16 03:31:01 so may a hear some of the differences between os 2007 and 2006? Nov 16 03:31:11 (I think it's the default browser, if ot it's certainly available as an alternative out of the box) Nov 16 03:31:31 corevette, OS2007 is faster. Nov 16 03:31:46 generalantilles: even for the HE ? Nov 16 03:31:59 That's what we're talking about, isn't it? :) Nov 16 03:32:05 yes Nov 16 03:32:32 i forget what os2007 introduced now - so long ago... Nov 16 03:32:59 milhouse: default root password under ssh is still rootme? Nov 16 03:33:03 os2007 has a nice new theme... Nov 16 03:33:07 crappy flash supprt Nov 16 03:33:12 yabbas: yah Nov 16 03:33:51 what are negatives? Nov 16 03:33:55 penguinbait: os2007he has crappy flash support 'cos it uses the old 2006 version but 2007 on N800 ain't bad Nov 16 03:34:00 (flash 9) Nov 16 03:34:35 lets put it this way, if i only had a 770 i wouldn't go back to os2006 from os2007he Nov 16 03:34:39 I never wanted or needed flash on my n800 :) Nov 16 03:34:53 this is K`zan on the dev box... Nov 16 03:35:06 it's nice to be their but it's usefulness is sometimes over rated Nov 16 03:35:39 milhouse: do you know if the team neads any help? Nov 16 03:35:50 team? Nov 16 03:35:58 yabbas the root password it still rootme, but I could not get in until I reset it, but I used becomeroot and no RD mode Nov 16 03:36:23 milhouse: so hacked edition is still in development? Nov 16 03:36:32 there's someone working on it, yes Nov 16 03:36:41 Hacker Edition* Nov 16 03:37:01 not sure for how much longer, but it's still getting attention and more releases are planned Nov 16 03:37:26 maybe I should try installing 2007he Nov 16 03:37:47 good luck yabbas, Nov 16 03:38:26 penguinbait: cheers - flashed initfs now Nov 16 03:38:29 doh Nov 16 03:38:34 and he's gone :) Nov 16 03:38:51 i cant install xterm is there any other alternatives for in2007he Nov 16 03:39:30 oi, I think I screwed up my IT Nov 16 03:39:43 YHY... : openssh... Nov 16 03:39:44 <_Monkey> i heard openssh was to big for embbeded devince (just sbz's opinion) and dropbear is done for that, so ... Nov 16 03:39:45 apt-get always seems to hang at 'waiting for headers' Nov 16 03:40:29 cool time to look again Nov 16 03:41:21 on elast question: what does minimo look like on the tablets and how does it perform Nov 16 03:41:33 forget minimo Nov 16 03:41:34 <_Monkey> milhouse: I forgot minimo Nov 16 03:41:39 oops Nov 16 03:41:56 minimo has transmogrified into micro-b Nov 16 03:42:30 well how is micro-b vs. opera Nov 16 03:42:37 has anyone managed to run a usb hard drive on the N series yet? Or was OTG always too unstable? Nov 16 03:43:01 crovette: i stopped using opera once micro-b became available Nov 16 03:43:48 micro-b doesn't show up in my menus for some reason Nov 16 03:45:34 its installed, strangely enough... Nov 16 03:45:38 Hummm, is there one package for scratchbox or do I just download all the stable stuff and install it one by one? Nov 16 03:46:20 you switch between micro-b and opera "engines" in the browser application Nov 16 03:46:26 ahh Nov 16 03:46:32 thought it was a separate app Nov 16 03:47:02 nah, there's only one browser application which can use one of two browser/rendering engines (micro-b or opera, but in theory many more such as webkit etc.) Nov 16 03:47:14 nice Nov 16 03:47:25 once you've switched engines, close the app and restart it with the new engine Nov 16 03:47:54 you need to remember which engine you're currently using as the engine switch menu option doesn't tell you... :) Nov 16 03:48:13 got it :) Nov 16 03:48:17 using microb now Nov 16 03:48:23 what is OTG yabbas? Nov 16 03:48:35 on-the-go Nov 16 03:48:37 though the browser change doesn't solve my slowness problem... meh Nov 16 03:48:47 what does on-the-go mean? this term was never used in the 90s Nov 16 03:48:53 what about the bug i listed? you're on n800 right? Nov 16 03:48:58 sure it was Nov 16 03:49:01 yeah, I tried that Nov 16 03:49:04 same thing Nov 16 03:49:12 it means "while moving" Nov 16 03:49:23 Is this the version I want: deb http://scratchbox.org/debian stable main Nov 16 03:50:35 maybe a firmware upgrade would fix it? Nov 16 03:50:57 in terms of USB, the phrase "on the go" was definately not used in the 90s... Nov 16 03:51:13 'cos it wasn't introduced until Dec 2001 Nov 16 03:51:13 Only scratchbox for 2006 there. Nov 16 03:51:35 lophyte: maybe - i'm out of ideas Nov 16 03:51:52 apart from... is your wifi network any good? could be interference Nov 16 03:52:20 Hummm and apparently only for maemo3. Something wrong here. Nov 16 03:52:32 the AP is about 10 feet away and it works fine on my laptop Nov 16 03:52:33 ls: ./tmp-Nokia-N800-39: Input/output error O_O Nov 16 03:52:56 then USB "on-the-go" means absolutely nothing Nov 16 03:53:00 zero Nov 16 03:53:11 * pupnik waves a usb cable in in the air Nov 16 03:53:30 Way in over my head here - oh well. Nov 16 03:53:54 Ana Nov 16 03:53:57 hrm Nov 16 03:54:02 is ubuntu-mobile coming to nokia tablets? Nov 16 03:54:11 that would be sweet corevette:) Nov 16 03:54:34 pupnik - usb otg allows host capability for devices that have normally only been peripherals so it allows mobile devices to connect to each other over usb hence on-the-go... not sure what you're trying say otherwise... :) Nov 16 03:54:53 oh thanks milhouse Nov 16 03:55:16 there's a negotiation for who acts as host? Nov 16 03:55:22 knock yourself out: http://www.usb.org/developers/onthego/USB_OTG_Intro.pdf Nov 16 03:55:32 probably Nov 16 03:56:43 answer: yes, they can negotiate when required Nov 16 03:57:59 right... Nov 16 03:58:20 The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2 filesystem. ... Nov 16 03:58:56 Trying e2fsck over usb on the partition I want to copy over the OS Nov 16 03:59:08 corvette: nothing planned as ubuntu-mobile is currently only targetting x86 Nov 16 03:59:33 is this problem (a) simply because we don't have raw access to the shizzle over usb. or (b) because the file system is corrupt? Nov 16 04:00:21 cant belive it i got xterm goin Nov 16 04:00:24 hahahahahahahahaaha Nov 16 04:00:32 ok so now iam here Nov 16 04:02:31 yabbas, i have had to reset sd cards by removing and replacing an fsck Nov 16 04:02:57 newbie: I've got a single directory here I can't seem to delete. :-/ Nov 16 04:02:59 YHY - can you get root? Nov 16 04:03:15 penguinbait: wb. It's the .kde directory Nov 16 04:03:28 dunno trying no what the best possable way Nov 16 04:04:04 a) install becomeroot package b) enable R&D mode (requires Linux/OSX flasher) Nov 16 04:04:21 why not do it on the tablet Nov 16 04:04:46 ok tell me the tablet way Nov 16 04:04:50 penguinbait: /home/user/.kde ... can't cd into it, permission denied. Can't delete it - permission denied. chown: changing ownership of `.kde': Operation not permitted Nov 16 04:04:52 lets see if i can do this Nov 16 04:06:20 if you install becomeroot why do you need r&d mode Nov 16 04:06:47 penguinbait: that should have been a) or b) :) Nov 16 04:06:55 fsck Nov 16 04:07:00 ok become root is installed Nov 16 04:07:16 just typed comman sudo gainroot Nov 16 04:07:30 yabbas did you run fsck from tablet Nov 16 04:07:59 sorry i am pecking on kvkbd ;) Nov 16 04:08:11 lol Nov 16 04:08:20 don't have fsck here :( Nov 16 04:08:23 any idea why @dbus.service.method wouldn't like my method? (can't call it with dbus-send) Nov 16 04:09:22 fsck.msdos and fsck.vfat are present. But no ext2 :( Nov 16 04:09:37 have you installed e2fsprogs? Nov 16 04:10:20 nope - does the old repo work under chinook? I'm prolly being overly cautious not installing anything from bora. Nov 16 04:10:33 add... Nov 16 04:10:40 hehehe Nov 16 04:10:55 http://repository.maemo.org chinook free non-free Nov 16 04:12:47 done Nov 16 04:12:51 cheers :) Nov 16 04:13:23 wb penguinbait Nov 16 04:15:09 so no what am i using apt-get for Nov 16 04:15:15 to check for what Nov 16 04:17:03 try running: apt-get update Nov 16 04:18:29 its doing somthing i think its stopping on one Nov 16 04:19:18 i think it froze on one Nov 16 04:19:24 http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:Caturfox.jpg Nov 16 04:20:38 error could not creat a socket Nov 16 04:20:46 *creat Nov 16 04:24:17 its freezing on some of them Nov 16 04:24:18 ok that is a good picture Nov 16 04:28:37 so what does not create socket it that a problem with the router Nov 16 04:29:06 or the remote site Nov 16 04:29:11 or a proxy in between Nov 16 04:29:20 or the overall end to end connection Nov 16 04:30:27 so whats the best way around the problem because as it stands having reall problems with software Nov 16 04:31:09 hi i would like to help Nov 16 04:31:28 but milhouse is right Nov 16 04:31:36 'there is a connection problem' Nov 16 04:31:57 YHY - is this a 770 or N800? Nov 16 04:32:04 (i lost track) Nov 16 04:32:21 770 with in2007he Nov 16 04:32:33 i was having the same probs with in2006 Nov 16 04:32:38 so i upgraded Nov 16 04:32:41 and general browsing is OK? Nov 16 04:32:50 fine Nov 16 04:33:08 it must be a router problem Nov 16 04:34:25 does the gtalk video chat work on desktop clients? Nov 16 04:34:34 i just ran apt-get update here on my 770/os2007he without any problems Nov 16 04:34:48 or anywhere at all? Nov 16 04:35:13 so it could be a router problem then Nov 16 04:35:33 does sound like it Nov 16 04:35:54 but then i'd expect you to have general browser problems too if that were the case Nov 16 04:36:19 are you using a proxy? Nov 16 04:36:40 nope i dnt think so Nov 16 04:42:13 this is hurtin my head hahahahah Nov 16 04:42:23 all i wanna do is install some software hahahahah Nov 16 04:42:53 try rebooting your access point :) Nov 16 04:43:17 cool be bk Nov 16 04:43:28 (quick everybody scarper) Nov 16 04:51:59 i got a weird feeling it just dosent agree with my router Nov 16 04:52:05 * yabbas lols Nov 16 04:52:24 somtimes it goes through and most of the time it hangs Nov 16 04:52:28 at 1kb Nov 16 04:53:08 well...os is copied across now. In 2 hours time kde will have downloaded and so on Nov 16 04:53:12 * yabbas gets to bed Nov 16 04:53:23 nini peeps :) [really this time!] Nov 16 04:53:34 cool see ya Nov 16 05:44:18 * |R wish he could get video chat completely working like this vid (only half works their but whatever ;) http://mirror.linux.org.au/pub/linux.conf.au/2007/video/talks/301.ogg Nov 16 05:44:26 <|R> there Nov 16 05:44:31 thanks guys tomorrow i will probs be on again Nov 16 05:44:36 very cool stuff with koffice, penguinbait Nov 16 05:44:40 oh he left Nov 16 05:45:33 |R: they video chat only with other nokias, or with desktop pcs too? Nov 16 05:45:41 <|R> desktop pc Nov 16 05:46:27 <|R> just installed ubuntu on a new laptop with a cam for a friend and was wondering (again) if i could test it ... Nov 16 05:46:34 * Robot101 has had trouble getting it working since then too Nov 16 05:47:01 <|R> oh! Robert Nov 16 05:47:10 <|R> haha i just did a whois and figured it was you in the talk ;) Nov 16 05:47:33 apparently the new versions of gstreamer since then have made life very hard for the farsight guys to make one build that actually works on the different versions :/ Nov 16 05:47:38 <|R> Well, then, i guess that if you can't get it working, i won't try ;) Nov 16 05:48:28 empathy has some code for it but it's very ropey, and more often than not farsight fails somehow too :/ Nov 16 05:48:44 <|R> :( Nov 16 05:49:35 some progress is being made though, I think farsight works with gst 0.10.14 again Nov 16 05:49:40 <|R> Has it improved in 2008 OS ? Nov 16 05:49:45 and I've been working (still) on the stream engine library Nov 16 05:50:16 in OS 2008 most of the improvement is in adding support for SIP, but also fixing some video codec negotiation stuff so the PC will be able to talk to the N800 bidirectionally Nov 16 05:50:35 we got our H263+ and H263 confused (along with the rest of everyone else :D) Nov 16 05:50:52 <|R> ok, i'm really hoping this will be fixed before next year, i want to video chat with my gf while i'll be travelling haha ;) Nov 16 05:51:03 <|R> hehe :) Nov 16 05:51:25 <|R> Are you waiting for the n810 too? (discount?) Nov 16 05:51:50 do discount people get them early? i thought not Nov 16 05:51:53 * Robot101 is decidedly not eligible for a discount :) Nov 16 05:52:04 <|R> oh? nokia involvment? :) Nov 16 05:52:14 <|R> pupnik : i don't think so Nov 16 05:52:19 <|R> but i wish ;) Nov 16 05:52:29 am so crazy wanting one now it's not even funny Nov 16 05:52:47 yes, telepathy is largely developed by us with nokia's support Nov 16 05:52:54 for the tablet OS Nov 16 05:53:02 <|R> haha yeah, and i ordered a bt GPS days before i got news about it... oh well it'll be perfect to test GPS + mesh things.. Nov 16 05:53:38 <|R> Robot101 : hehe ok, though i looked through the 500 winners and 3-4 were nokia related and still got it, go figure :) Nov 16 05:53:40 finally i'll be able to test performance on omap2420 Nov 16 05:53:46 been looking forward to the N810 coming out since I saw one, the prototypes we had were lame though Nov 16 05:54:04 <|R> why lame? Nov 16 05:54:23 not in the real case, just a plastic shell with the keyboard fixed in place Nov 16 05:54:40 so bigger than the N800 significantly, and no slidey enjoyment at all :) Nov 16 05:54:49 <|R> haha ok :) Nov 16 05:55:04 <|R> kind of like "my first sony" but.... my first n810 ;) Nov 16 05:55:10 will definitely buy one when they come out, the N810 seems a lot more neat to me than the N800 Nov 16 05:55:11 the videos and pics reggie and dan are doing are great promotional work. Nov 16 05:55:27 <|R> I just wished they had at least kept 1 full SD Nov 16 05:55:34 just below some kind of mental threshold of "oh thats a bit big" and "ah I can fit that in my pocket" Nov 16 05:55:43 agree Robot101 Nov 16 05:55:50 <|R> yeah, so it seems... Nov 16 05:55:56 also thickness is a win Nov 16 05:56:01 satisfying slide/click, like the E65 Nov 16 05:56:06 and no odd camera bulge Nov 16 05:56:11 * |R hopes the SIP clients now support md5secret= in asterisk unlike the 0.2 release beta... Nov 16 05:56:50 besides, i'm not a teenage jeans wearing girl. I'm an overweight geek with baggy pants, so i can pocket real things. Like beers. Nov 16 05:57:02 <|R> haha Nov 16 05:57:30 |R: did you file a bug? go to bugs.freedesktop.org and file a bug on telepathy-sofiasip to support it Nov 16 05:57:52 * |R is going to do that right :) Nov 16 05:58:13 <|R> it's not a lot more security, but at least you have to crack and md5 to get a login if you sniffed my SIP... Nov 16 05:58:29 <|R> (from what i understand, probably just a simple challenge) Nov 16 05:58:33 I thought SIP usually used digest authentication anyway? Nov 16 05:58:49 <|R> Not too sure... i'd have to check Nov 16 05:59:06 <|R> but every other phone/ata/softphone work with md5secret but the sofia-sip... Nov 16 06:00:16 I'm sure sofiasip supports it, it's the most awesomest sip stack ever Nov 16 06:00:24 its just tp-sofiasip doesn't turn the right knob :) Nov 16 06:00:29 there are plenty to choose from Nov 16 06:00:52 <|R> uhm, is sofia-sip supposed to be in the list? :) Nov 16 06:01:52 argh Nov 16 06:02:19 <|R> :| Nov 16 06:02:33 gah f**8 Nokia it's on sf.net I think Nov 16 06:03:10 http://sourceforge.net/projects/tp-sofiasip Nov 16 06:03:27 sorry apparently freedesktop.org doesn't have enough banner adverts or something :D Nov 16 06:03:53 * |R lost in all this framework (/me -> network guy, not video guy ;) Nov 16 06:03:59 <|R> haha :) Nov 16 06:05:28 My only interesting communications are in forums, email and irc Nov 16 06:05:42 If someone calls me, it's usually someone i don't* want to talk-to Nov 16 06:06:08 * |R hates phones actually, but still has a cell and VoIP... go figure, i wish everyone was on irc ;) Nov 16 06:06:27 <|R> freenode should switch to silc :P Nov 16 06:06:34 heh, silc. Nov 16 06:06:40 I mean, ohhh yes awesome. :) Nov 16 06:09:11 bye :) Nov 16 06:10:34 <|R> now that we have UTF-8 on irc, who needs fun for rich conversations! ;) Nov 16 06:10:41 <|R> s/fun/phone/ Nov 16 06:10:42 |R meant: now that we have UTF-8 on irc, who needs phone for rich conversations! ;) Nov 16 06:10:54 <|R> (yes i'm tired and thinking phonetically ;) Nov 16 06:47:36 No pand on it2008, wtf ;( Nov 16 06:48:05 os2008 Nov 16 06:48:05 <_Monkey> os2008 is really fast Nov 16 06:48:56 do you think they'll make an OS2008 HE? Nov 16 06:48:56 Yeah, but it doesn't have bluetooth ip tunneling! Nov 16 06:50:06 corevette: yes Nov 16 06:50:26 kulve: do you think it'll support 770? Nov 16 06:50:35 HE is only for 770.. Nov 16 06:50:47 ah Nov 16 06:50:51 the os2008 comes officially for n800, so no need for HE Nov 16 06:51:18 <|R> so i guess we'll have to package pand? Nov 16 06:54:04 kulve: i have a 770 though Nov 16 07:02:40 Let's blow the Witch of Washington out of the sky with the Dec. 16th moneybomb! Nov 16 07:06:02 pupnik, so no need for HE for the N800* Nov 16 07:06:34 erm Nov 16 07:06:38 corevette Nov 16 07:06:41 I should learn to read Nov 16 07:07:07 HE exists because 770 was never sposed to get os2007. Nokia capitulated, and released 2007HE for the 770 users Nov 16 07:07:30 HE ends with the 770 Nov 16 07:32:58 GeneralAntilles: i think i'll wait for 8GB cards to come down to under 50 euro Nov 16 07:33:20 how much space is free on the 2GB shipped with the N810? Nov 16 07:33:33 Probably under 300MB Nov 16 07:33:41 Though that may not hold for the Euro devices. Nov 16 07:33:43 glerb Nov 16 07:34:51 i was trying to get one of the snes emu authors to get excited over the lowered N800 price today Nov 16 07:34:56 he pretty much told me to get lost :| Nov 16 07:35:01 Ha Nov 16 07:35:03 watanass Nov 16 07:36:07 well he did release source Nov 16 07:38:01 <|R> /clear Nov 16 07:38:03 <|R> argh! Nov 16 07:38:05 <|R> :) Nov 16 07:38:24 I think that N900 thread might just be wacko enough for me to post a demand for S/NES/Gameboy SoCs in the next device. Nov 16 07:39:10 <|R> and a d-pad? Nov 16 07:39:27 _Three_ d-pads Nov 16 07:39:29 I'm sure if you post it as a demand, you chances of success are greater :-) Nov 16 07:39:34 hell, go for five! Nov 16 07:39:35 So you can play all platforms at the same time! Nov 16 07:39:40 <|R> :D Nov 16 07:40:16 "IF i dont get these SoCs ... . i'm buying an Iphone!1" Nov 16 07:40:30 "nokia sux apple balls!" Nov 16 07:40:53 <|R> ok than i want an accelerometer/temp/baro/compass/geiger sensors :P Nov 16 07:41:09 OH, and SHORTWAVE Nov 16 07:41:13 WTF was with that? :\ Nov 16 07:41:17 <|R> haha Nov 16 07:41:36 How is a thermometer EVER going to be useful in a handheld device. Nov 16 07:41:47 * czr seconds the geiger one Nov 16 07:42:03 <|R> GeneralAntilles : i've got plans ;) Nov 16 07:42:06 Give me an excuse to fly out to Chernobyl. Nov 16 07:42:07 GeneralAntilles, it tells you and your friends, just exactly how exited you are and at which location. Nov 16 07:42:11 <|R> mesh + sensors + graphing Nov 16 07:42:12 Hahaha Nov 16 07:42:24 you don't need excuses to do that. everyone knows that chernobyl rocks. Nov 16 07:42:34 <|R> haha, yeah, red trees! Nov 16 07:42:38 I was picturing a housewife slapping an N800 on little Timmy's head to check for fever. Nov 16 07:42:44 <|R> :P Nov 16 07:42:55 well, you know what is the most reliable place to measure temp from on the human body Nov 16 07:43:03 ANAAAAL! Nov 16 07:43:12 <|R> hold the n800 under your tongue..no don't move... what? you can't breath? oh.. must be worth than thought ;) Nov 16 07:43:25 Sounds . . . uncomfortable. Nov 16 07:43:34 you'll learn to appreciate it Nov 16 07:43:44 <|R> now with sliding keyboard fun! Nov 16 07:43:45 besides, if it has 5 d-pads, it can't be all evil, righ? Nov 16 07:44:49 <|R> why do i keep finding mentions of 10gb miniSD cards but no cards... Nov 16 07:45:04 Ha Nov 16 07:45:05 they're so small that people keep losing them Nov 16 07:45:12 2GB + 8GB = 10GB? Nov 16 07:45:22 no, 6 + 4 dummy! Nov 16 07:45:28 <|R> 5+5! duh! Nov 16 07:45:29 <|R> haha Nov 16 07:45:34 (I was thinking N810's internal :P) Nov 16 07:45:49 <|R> hehe we all do, but we also all try not to until it's in the mail ;) Nov 16 07:46:14 About N810... are we there yet? Are we there yet? Are we there yet? Nov 16 07:46:18 <|R> haha Nov 16 07:46:26 <|R> *plop*... are we there yet? Nov 16 07:46:41 I wish the OMAP34xxs had come with the N810 :( Nov 16 07:46:52 <|R> yeah, and a BFG too Nov 16 07:47:17 * |R wonders if microSD will get bigger any time soon... Nov 16 07:47:25 Ha Nov 16 07:47:28 Then it'd be SD Nov 16 07:47:33 and we'd be back where we started. :P Nov 16 07:47:39 <|R> haha i mean density ;) Nov 16 07:47:52 Heavier, too? ;) Nov 16 07:47:54 <|R> more bits per square miles or something ;) Nov 16 07:49:45 <|R> http://www.waleg.com/techgadgets/archives/009662.html Nov 16 07:49:52 <|R> "There’s also ample storage in this powerful and convenient device with built in 2GB memory and an optional 10GB microSD slot." Nov 16 07:50:23 Obviously wrong Nov 16 07:50:28 <|R> indeed... Nov 16 07:50:43 Tech reporting is unbelievably bad Nov 16 07:50:48 Makes you wonder about real reporting. Nov 16 07:50:55 <|R> same... Nov 16 07:50:57 <|R> hehe Nov 16 07:51:46 |R, you don't understand do you. the 10 GiB _slot_ is optional! Nov 16 07:51:53 so you have to purchase the slot separately.. Nov 16 07:51:55 <|R> haha Nov 16 07:52:15 <|R> that's like removing a hole in my pants by cutting around the hole right? :P Nov 16 07:52:15 (I bet it's an external usb card reader for which you need to change the usb port into host mode first) Nov 16 07:52:29 |R, I'm not expert in holes in your pants! Nov 16 07:52:46 <|R> haha, good thing, i guess ... ... how about we change subject? :P Nov 16 07:53:20 you can talk about how much something sucks Nov 16 07:53:49 How about how much my vacuum cleaner doesn't? Nov 16 07:54:10 http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/dell-dimension-c521-desktop/4505-3118_7-32069566.html 5.5 out of 10 is pretty low Nov 16 07:54:34 Then don't buy it. Nov 16 07:54:43 got it for free. Nov 16 07:54:49 Ha Nov 16 07:54:52 lol Nov 16 07:54:56 good cpu Nov 16 07:56:16 good buddy works at dell, so when he upgrades. Im a happy friend. Nov 16 07:56:37 Not a bad deal. ;) Nov 16 07:56:54 But, seriously, who gets rid of their old computers? Nov 16 07:57:23 <|R> china! Nov 16 07:57:26 * GeneralAntilles goes to install OS X 10.5.1 Nov 16 07:57:35 especially 1 year old computers Nov 16 07:57:57 <|R> screens too? Nov 16 07:58:13 just got the desktop. Nov 16 07:58:16 <|R> model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T5250 @ 1.50GHz Nov 16 07:58:19 <|R> cpu MHz : 1000.000 Nov 16 07:58:26 <|R> wtf... the laptop is pluged in... Nov 16 07:58:41 and in the box Nov 16 07:58:49 athlon 64 x2 Nov 16 07:58:51 dual core Nov 16 07:59:02 AMD* Nov 16 07:59:06 <|R> :) Nov 16 07:59:27 dells first go at amd Nov 16 08:06:42 <|R> so now that people are running 2008 on n800s, it's confirmed that we get a 400mhz boost? Nov 16 08:06:58 yes Nov 16 08:07:10 khertan, how can you see the cpu speed btw? Nov 16 08:07:26 <|R> cat /proc/cpuinfo Nov 16 08:07:27 <|R> dmesg Nov 16 08:07:40 |R, proc/cpuinfo yields nothing Nov 16 08:08:11 <|R> uhm well bogomips Nov 16 08:08:22 no. they're very low Nov 16 08:08:28 <|R> ? Nov 16 08:08:32 bogomips never indicates the max freq Nov 16 08:08:37 on any arch with dynamic clocks Nov 16 08:08:56 nice to hear people still don't trust nokia engineers Nov 16 08:09:18 I don't trust anyone by default, it's nothing personal. Nov 16 08:09:18 <|R> timelyx : why? :) Nov 16 08:09:45 dont trust companies. Nov 16 08:10:32 timelyx, was just wondering where one could see the speed since I've failed to find any indication of it so far (and I looked far before the whole speed bump thingy came into fruiting). just wondering. Nov 16 08:10:41 since /proc/cpuinfo doesn't reflect it on arm Nov 16 08:10:52 try running the proc as root Nov 16 08:10:57 sudo gain Nov 16 08:10:59 root Nov 16 08:11:05 <|R> let's port john the ripper, and run john -test before and after ;) Nov 16 08:11:13 then run cat /proc/cpuinfo Nov 16 08:11:14 unique311, that shouldn't affect anything :-) Nov 16 08:11:24 <|R> indeed... Nov 16 08:11:28 |R: Nov 16 08:11:34 http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2404964835345289580 good torture test of transflective screen with daylight - thx thoughtfix Nov 16 08:11:37 if you don't trust us, why should we bother talking to you? Nov 16 08:11:40 unique311, nope. Nov 16 08:11:47 us Nov 16 08:12:00 cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq Nov 16 08:12:06 nokia personel on deck Nov 16 08:12:21 khertan, thanks Nov 16 08:12:27 <|R> where did i say i was not trusting you/them anyway? :P Nov 16 08:12:39 maybe he referred to me :-) Nov 16 08:12:56 khertan, didn't realize cpufreq was universal (not bound to x86). good to know Nov 16 08:12:59 <|R> khertan: nothing under cpu0 folder Nov 16 08:13:33 try to read a music with the nokia media player Nov 16 08:13:50 and you ll see that scaling max will down to 330 Nov 16 08:13:58 each time you play music Nov 16 08:14:11 heh Nov 16 08:14:24 i think it s something related to the dsp Nov 16 08:14:51 khertan: nothing under cpu0 folder ? under os2007 ? Nov 16 08:15:04 <|R> yep 2007 Nov 16 08:15:08 |R: normal :) Nov 16 08:15:16 <|R> oh Nov 16 08:15:37 since os2008 proc frequency is dynamic Nov 16 08:16:04 also dyntick <3 Nov 16 08:16:10 <|R> oh cool, so that's the battery improvement? Nov 16 08:16:20 |R, it's a good start Nov 16 08:16:31 yes a really good start Nov 16 08:16:44 _Monkey forget czr Nov 16 08:16:45 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot czr Nov 16 08:16:51 _Monkey czr is Nov 16 08:16:52 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx. Nov 16 08:17:09 poor bot :) Nov 16 08:17:15 timelyx btw, you know who admins monkey? Nov 16 08:17:22 or anyone. Nov 16 08:17:45 _Monkey timelyx is °o°O Nov 16 08:17:45 <_Monkey> ...but timelyx is timelyx's mac, it has scrollback... Nov 16 08:17:51 lol Nov 16 08:18:08 maemo Nov 16 08:18:13 oups ww Nov 16 08:18:30 _Monkey forget which one Nov 16 08:18:30 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot which one Nov 16 08:18:39 _Monkey which one is Nov 16 08:18:39 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx. Nov 16 08:18:44 <|R> ok, time for bed... cya (hoping tomorrow is magical shipping day ;) Nov 16 08:18:55 lol Nov 16 08:19:00 it s today for me Nov 16 08:19:06 <|R> oh? Nov 16 08:19:06 it s wednesday :) Nov 16 08:19:20 no no n810 yet Nov 16 08:19:28 i hope Nov 16 08:19:42 as i am gmt+1 and finland are gmt+2 Nov 16 08:19:56 it s friday Nov 16 08:19:58 lol Nov 16 08:20:13 tko/czr: personally my favorite complaint about the clock applet is that you can't ... Nov 16 08:20:28 use the map to set the current time, only some stupid "other" Nov 16 08:20:29 i don't get to work since wednesday ... so i m little lost :) Nov 16 08:20:49 <|R> didn't work in too long for my own good... Nov 16 08:20:58 timelyx, ah yes, forgot about that too. so used to select the timezone from a map that almost forgot about it :-) Nov 16 08:21:00 <|R> anyway, i'm off...! Nov 16 08:21:37 how about battery duration on n800+OS2008 ? Nov 16 08:21:50 hum ... i ve understand why 333Mhz when audio listening ... Nov 16 08:22:08 when cpu run at 333 Mhz , DSP run at 200Mhz Nov 16 08:22:31 but when cpu run at 400 Mhz, DSP run at 133 Mhz Nov 16 08:22:32 khertan, can you see the dsp clock somewhere as well? Nov 16 08:22:45 on mine seems it lasts less a bit... Nov 16 08:23:09 not see it on device but from technicals specs Nov 16 08:23:19 khertan, ok. Nov 16 08:24:09 https://s3.amazonaws.com/ppt-download/power-management-for-the-nokia-internet-tablets565.pdf Nov 16 08:28:29 milhouse: if cnn is playing a radio/movie stream, and you minimize it, what should it do Nov 16 08:28:38 should it pause the stream just because the window isn't on the top? Nov 16 08:30:56 milhouse: fwiw, there are other things that have a much bigger impact on ajax perf Nov 16 08:31:11 DOM, CAPS and XPCONNECT Nov 16 08:31:32 read something about optimization and you'll find out why optimizing spidermonkey... Nov 16 08:31:35 could be pointless Nov 16 08:33:20 yabbasleep: you don't want the width to change when minimized, doing so risks resizes Nov 16 08:37:00 zerojay++, re game devices must have at least nintendo inputs Nov 16 08:44:19 yabbasleep: fwiw, 770/n8x0 are basically recycling nokia ordered parts Nov 16 08:44:39 which means if they're using mini sd, you can assume that's what nokia ordered in vol. Nov 16 08:46:58 recycling nokia ordered parts ? Nov 16 08:47:00 omap ? Nov 16 08:48:33 http://www.nokia-tuning.net/index.php?s=processor Nov 16 08:49:11 i.e. Nokia is using the omap cpu quite a lot Nov 16 08:49:32 nokia? Nov 16 08:49:33 <_Monkey> nokia is a company. It also sponsors maemo using sales of N800s. Buy one. Buy two! Nov 16 08:49:38 hha Nov 16 08:50:24 i bought one. will buy another asap Nov 16 08:50:31 same here ;) Nov 16 08:51:00 buy some nokia mmc cards too! Nov 16 08:51:40 well i think i have now seen every N810 video and picture gallery Nov 16 08:52:50 and the only thing that looks dodgy is the dpad Nov 16 08:53:03 what the best n810 video? Nov 16 08:53:11 reggies videos on itt Nov 16 08:53:17 Hi to all ... :) Nov 16 08:53:23 hi Nov 16 08:53:30 Morning, all Nov 16 08:54:26 greets Jaffa Nov 16 08:55:40 it's a little bit surprising that java phoneme with gui hasn't been done yet Nov 16 08:56:01 but not many people are screaming for it Nov 16 08:56:43 pupnik: the maps vary w/ region, the usa maps are much bigger... Nov 16 08:57:07 ah ok Nov 16 08:57:30 yeah reggies's video was good Nov 16 08:57:31 was thinking of putting-off a mini/microsd purchase, but then again 2GB cards are real cheap Nov 16 08:57:46 pupnik, the n810 dpad makes playing maemo blocks harder Nov 16 08:58:22 inz - yeah i only see a couple of millimeters space for the up-motion Nov 16 08:58:46 i will look into putting directional controls on awdx keys Nov 16 08:58:52 the owner of _Monkey gets repeated mentions in the channel log. but my memory sucks Nov 16 08:59:13 timelyx :-) Nov 16 08:59:19 http://www.thinkgos.com/ old news? Nov 16 08:59:30 I guess the biggest complaint keeps repeating as well, but nothing really happens :-) Nov 16 08:59:58 _Monkey nokia =~ s/800/800s and n810/ Nov 16 08:59:59 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx Nov 16 09:00:06 unique311: news to me - very nice! Nov 16 09:00:28 200 dollar google puters Nov 16 09:00:33 it's a little deceptive, makes you think google is behind it Nov 16 09:00:34 soon at wallmart Nov 16 09:00:36 anyway, good morning finland Nov 16 09:00:39 unique311: heh Nov 16 09:00:51 * timelyx cries Nov 16 09:00:53 there's already a linux box for sale at walmart Nov 16 09:00:54 timelyx, it's no longer morning here :-) Nov 16 09:01:03 i forgot what linux it runs Nov 16 09:01:06 what part of finland isn't morning? Nov 16 09:01:16 my clock says 11.01am Nov 16 09:01:25 timelyx, that's not morning in finland :-) Nov 16 09:01:34 morning might last up to 9-10ish Nov 16 09:01:52 before noon, it's morning :) Nov 16 09:01:59 aamupaiva! Nov 16 09:02:00 damn it. Nov 16 09:02:01 <_Monkey> rumour has it damn it is installing gnome :-( Nov 16 09:02:13 _Monkey forget damn it Nov 16 09:02:14 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot damn it Nov 16 09:02:18 _Monkey damn it is Nov 16 09:02:19 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx. Nov 16 09:02:28 http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/11/12/2235200&from=rss Nov 16 09:02:40 timelyx, all your problems would go away if monkey'd only answer to directed questions :-) Nov 16 09:03:05 czr: it should be in "address = required" mode Nov 16 09:03:17 l7: that's old news, no? Nov 16 09:03:33 timelyx, guess so. Nov 16 09:04:08 timelyx: i'm surprised they're all sold out Nov 16 09:04:34 l7: *shrug* it was mentioned in mozilla context at the beginning of the week Nov 16 09:04:39 i was tempted to get one for a fileserver Nov 16 09:04:47 prefer to build my computer Nov 16 09:05:05 $200 bucks though Nov 16 09:05:10 linux shall soon conquer the world Nov 16 09:05:21 Hi all. I am having a problem with my n800. I cannot connect with ssh from my n800 to another server. I have openssh client and server installed. Once I execute ssh the app just hangs and I have to stop xterm. Nov 16 09:05:52 are you connected to a network? Nov 16 09:06:18 oh great Nov 16 09:06:21 i can't mount disk images Nov 16 09:06:34 yes I am connected to a network Nov 16 09:06:34 * timelyx supposes the on disk kernel changed Nov 16 09:06:56 (which means i can't use any loadable kernel modules since they won't match my running kernel) Nov 16 09:07:25 no tail anymore Nov 16 09:08:23 only head Nov 16 09:08:57 it appears that there is some problem with the terminal. Nov 16 09:09:03 or the TERM setting. Nov 16 09:09:17 you could try: ssh server xclock :) Nov 16 09:10:23 tsavola, disappointing. now I cannot pun you with ++ anymore. Nov 16 09:10:37 it didn't work anyway Nov 16 09:10:41 true. Nov 16 09:10:45 ? Nov 16 09:10:46 it had potential though. Nov 16 09:10:50 timeless, hangs Nov 16 09:10:56 ignorance beats puns Nov 16 09:11:08 beating is overrated anyway :-) Nov 16 09:11:09 timelyx, nop[e, just hangs Nov 16 09:11:30 ctrl-c exits however Nov 16 09:12:03 Jaffa / zerojay, fwiw if you're at an https site, you can tell microb from opera Nov 16 09:12:10 the lock icon in opera is a button in microb :) Nov 16 09:12:44 * timelyx believes that's documented somewhere in the changelog Nov 16 09:29:40 wow Nov 16 09:29:43 * timelyx loves gmail ui Nov 16 09:30:14 but they broke it Nov 16 09:30:43 Previously you could "double click" to remove all visible spams Nov 16 09:32:29 oh, nevermind, it seems to be working again Nov 16 09:34:55 "double-click to cause a small country in the pasific to explode" Nov 16 09:35:01 pacific even Nov 16 09:43:48 morning all... Nov 16 09:44:06 ciao maddler :) Nov 16 09:44:39 L0cutus: oila`! :D Nov 16 09:47:11 Hi guys :) Nov 16 09:55:49 bon dia / good morning Nov 16 10:01:58 my eyeballs hurt Nov 16 10:02:28 acydlord: what were you given to watch ? Nov 16 10:02:41 been looking through code for the past few hours Nov 16 10:02:56 the code is translucent? Nov 16 10:04:07 might as well be Nov 16 10:04:20 i need to theme my editor so it's a little easier on the eyes Nov 16 10:13:04 tsavola, the code moves around Nov 16 10:13:18 good morning Nov 16 10:33:09 hi Nov 16 10:33:09 <_Monkey> hello, latzko Nov 16 10:34:17 I like to use python distutils but I cannot find it in 3.x SDK. Can you help me, please? Nov 16 10:41:51 got it! sorry Nov 16 10:50:00 * yabbasleep loses £1000 today :( Nov 16 11:23:07 i'm stumped. can't seem to get wget onto my newly flashed 800 Nov 16 11:27:29 hi there. Nov 16 11:27:35 hi Nov 16 11:27:36 <_Monkey> what's up, ol_schoola Nov 16 11:27:45 hey _Monkey Nov 16 11:27:46 <_Monkey> hmmm... i am the best programmer in the whole freenode IRC right now Nov 16 11:28:13 flashed my 800 with 2008, moving on to booting from SD, can't get wget installed for the life of me Nov 16 11:31:14 never mind. i was being too lazy. http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=94828&postcount=13 Nov 16 11:33:51 btw why http://repository.maemo.org was not there by default Nov 16 11:33:59 weird Nov 16 11:34:21 juh0: That is because you are not supposed to use it on the device.. Nov 16 11:35:13 ...as shipped from Nokia ;) Nov 16 11:44:05 repository.maemo.org is ment to be used with the sdk and _can_ have packages that will not work on the device or require some work in order to work on the device Nov 16 11:44:56 I doubt Nokia want's the devices to ship with a repository that can break the device enabled by default Nov 16 11:45:20 I'm in yoor repository breaking yoor device Nov 16 11:45:31 oops.. post lunch insanity Nov 16 11:49:50 hey Nov 16 11:49:53 what is "ICD" Nov 16 11:50:03 specifically, is it Connection or Connectivity? Nov 16 11:55:55 timeless: "Maemo Connectivity Daemon" Nov 16 12:00:50 timeless, dpkg -l osso-ic: "Internet Connectivity Daemon" Nov 16 12:02:43 the browser not seems to support google services, i can't click in some things, how i update the version of opera ? Nov 16 12:03:03 Opera is dead. Nov 16 12:03:39 what i can use instead ? Nov 16 12:03:50 Thanatermesis, http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ Nov 16 12:03:51 Microb. Nov 16 12:03:52 <_Monkey> i think microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007) Nov 16 12:04:24 mmh Nov 16 12:12:00 when i try to upgrade, it try to install bsdutils, but the upgrade are broken because there's a file that conflicts with busybox, and busybox is not possible to remove, of course Nov 16 12:13:16 Thanatermesis: you must not try to upgrade Nov 16 12:13:51 why not ? Nov 16 12:14:12 the sdk repository is not meant for upgrading Nov 16 12:15:53 ok Nov 16 12:17:21 what is mamona exactly ? Nov 16 12:19:56 is mamona ready to use ? Nov 16 12:20:29 mamona is free (as freedom) replacement linux distro for the internet tablets Nov 16 12:20:32 it is not ready to use Nov 16 12:21:13 im searching e17 for the n800 of my GF, is there any repository or something ? Nov 16 12:22:05 Opera is dead? Nov 16 12:22:36 It's now a phantom Nov 16 12:22:42 oh dear, maemo is going to use Gecko? Nov 16 12:22:47 what happened to webkit? Nov 16 12:24:14 dunno about webkit, but yes, gecko is the base for microb Nov 16 12:24:52 and that's the future? Nov 16 12:25:58 * flip^ peers back into the maemo world.... iirc, OS2008 should be manifesting soon... anyone care to remind/re-educate me on when it's expected? Nov 16 12:27:25 n810 version is out now, can be put on the n800 fairly easily Nov 16 12:27:33 It's out now for N810 owners (i.e. prototypes, early shipments to people); what acydlord said Nov 16 12:27:38 but the official for the n800 is due out in december Nov 16 12:27:46 "Mid-November" for the N810 h/w release and the N800,... what acydlord said Nov 16 12:28:53 is there any e17 repository ? i want to use e17 on n800 Nov 16 12:29:07 anyone know if tkinter or PIL are in any of the libs already? Nov 16 12:30:35 vegai: lot's of people seems to think so Nov 16 12:30:39 Thanatermesis: enlightenment is kinda crazy on the handheld Nov 16 12:30:59 Thana, you could try mamona Nov 16 12:31:05 Thanatermesis: Check what the INDT guys did.. Nov 16 12:31:26 tigert, yes, but i want to do tests on it :) Nov 16 12:31:43 i dont know if there are repos Nov 16 12:31:47 btw, is possible to install debian on n800 ? Nov 16 12:31:52 it builds ok for it though Nov 16 12:31:59 ~Ah got ta showah~!! Nov 16 12:33:50 * pupnik holds breath Nov 16 12:34:15 * pupnik vows not to shower until N810 is shipped Nov 16 12:34:30 i still need to upgrade my sdk to chinook Nov 16 12:34:55 pupnik: I hope you wont be close to me then.. Nov 16 12:34:55 yeah that would be the thing to do Nov 16 12:35:17 i think i'll install it on the laptop, brb Nov 16 12:35:26 Thanatermesis: to a sd card yes, but you are going to miss a lot from the default gui Nov 16 12:37:51 suihkulokki, yes, well, that i miss too is a lot of apps that debian has :/ Nov 16 12:37:56 hi Nov 16 12:38:02 and aparently there's not much ppl making packages for n800 Nov 16 12:38:19 or update packages, or made ports... or anything Nov 16 12:38:26 ppl ? Nov 16 12:40:26 persistent pestering lusers? Nov 16 12:41:02 repositories? Nov 16 12:41:02 <_Monkey> somebody said repositories was http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Nov 16 12:41:23 Thanatermesis: search repos there and if you really are missing something, ask in channel Nov 16 12:41:43 suihkulokki, and i can't do a deb-src line of debian that i can add and just to dpkg-buildpackage to make ports for the maemo system ? Nov 16 12:41:45 e17 is not really a tablet windowing system Nov 16 12:42:32 pupnik, yes, but i work with e17 related things and i want to make tests on it Nov 16 12:42:52 well, there's not really much packages on maemo that i can install, and aparently not are very maintained Nov 16 12:43:17 compared to desktop linux, correct Nov 16 12:43:27 maybe even also compared to zaurus Nov 16 12:43:42 zaurus exist since more time Nov 16 12:43:47 pupnik, i can't do "dpkg-buildpackage" on maemo ? to just port packages from debian ? maybe i can put online a repo for n800 Nov 16 12:43:55 Thanatermesis: yes dpkg-b.. works Nov 16 12:44:02 i just don't want to lost time with vmware-images-stuff-way's-etc Nov 16 12:44:17 ok, i can make a look to it then Nov 16 12:44:25 you can't use dpkg directly on tablet Nov 16 12:44:28 use the sdk Nov 16 12:45:11 khertan, the sdk is that system on qemu on vmware ? Nov 16 12:47:48 there are wmware appliance to easily use the sdk on windows and for people who doesn't pass more time to set the dev env than dev Nov 16 12:48:02 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_sdk.html Nov 16 12:48:10 here the sdk : http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_sdk.html Nov 16 12:51:16 i use linux, but that's just that i want... not lost time with this, the n800 is of my GF, i want to install little things and do other tests, but i don't have really free time to play with Nov 16 12:53:26 you can write apps with python or ruby Nov 16 12:53:30 khertan, what exactly do that script ? installs a debootstrap or something on my HD ? Nov 16 12:53:38 or i need to run it on the n800 ? Nov 16 12:53:50 the sdk goes on a pc Nov 16 12:57:42 pupnik, in what exactly consists this SDK ? the script installs a debootstrap to my HD where i chroot and work on it ? Nov 16 12:58:27 yes it is like a chroot environment Nov 16 12:58:45 ok Nov 16 12:58:51 it also can execute the arm code using qemu Nov 16 13:01:58 sounds good Nov 16 13:11:41 i have question on boot from mmc procedure Nov 16 13:12:43 mamona looks very interesting Nov 16 13:16:18 successfully completed anyone using 2008 on n800 booting from mmc able to lend a hend? Nov 16 13:16:55 scratch 'successfully completed' Nov 16 13:19:03 i've successfully completed the filesystem copies, and issued the chroot to commit the bootmenu but it still boots straight to the internal flash, no menu given Nov 16 13:19:47 does it matter that i'm still in r+d mode from flashing to 2008? Nov 16 13:42:24 ah hah, failed initfs flash. lack of sleep... Nov 16 13:45:22 disq: ping Nov 16 14:10:16 re :) Nov 16 14:10:57 hrm.. os2008 doesn't have rootme as its root password anymore :-/ Nov 16 14:11:37 rafl: time to start jack again :-) Nov 16 14:16:11 rafl, it doesn't? Nov 16 14:16:59 inz: at least using that when using ssh to localhost doesn't work for me. Nov 16 14:17:19 rafl: Try ssh from outside.. Nov 16 14:17:25 rafl, try in r&d mode Nov 16 14:20:14 X-Fade_: ECONNREFUSED Nov 16 14:20:16 inz: will do. Nov 16 14:20:53 rafl: And you are sure sshd is running? Nov 16 14:21:24 time to reflash old good os2007 on my n800... Nov 16 14:22:13 X-Fade_: yes. Nov 16 14:22:58 rafl: Weird. Nov 16 14:23:04 Should just work. Nov 16 14:23:57 so it works for you? Nov 16 14:24:39 It does. Nov 16 14:24:55 weird, indeed. Nov 16 14:32:07 hola Nov 16 14:32:08 <_Monkey> bonjour, lopz Nov 16 14:41:25 hi there. Nov 16 15:12:56 hello dear community.... is anyone else having trouble installing vpnc on OS2008? Nov 16 15:13:34 rafl> password is root me for me Nov 16 15:14:14 afternoon all Nov 16 15:14:47 Hi lardman. Any news on the powervr driver? :) Nov 16 15:15:45 I'm thinking that if I can remove the pci_* fns then I may be able to force it in Nov 16 15:16:03 or rather the fns that need pci_* from the kernel, the missing symbols Nov 16 15:16:58 Looks like the powervr kernel module must be called from a thread called pvrsrv (iirc) Nov 16 15:17:26 this is started by the libsrv_* libraries Nov 16 15:17:38 I wonder if it would be easier to compile the 2.6.10 omap kernel and try to boot that.. Nov 16 15:17:55 it's curiously a module for 2.6.14 now that I look harder Nov 16 15:18:17 lardman: That what they say on the website.. Nov 16 15:18:21 the other option is just to compile the n800 kernel with the pci stuff and force it in Nov 16 15:18:33 I know, but in the module it says 2.6.14 Nov 16 15:19:40 yeah, saw that too. Nov 16 15:20:05 It seems that we do have the MBX and not the MBX lite.. Nov 16 15:20:06 anyway, looks interesting :) Nov 16 15:20:11 yes Nov 16 15:20:30 I was also browsing the dsp kernel and saw mention of the mbx in there Nov 16 15:21:04 Hmm maybe it is able to fetch data from the mbx.. Nov 16 15:21:44 _mbx_init Nov 16 15:22:01 _mbx_send, that sort of stuff Nov 16 15:22:53 Anyway, I'm quite hopeful :) Nov 16 15:23:26 Well, enabling pci in the current kernel should not be a big problem. Nov 16 15:23:45 It doesn't have to be functional, as long as the symbols are there. Nov 16 15:23:55 yes exactly Nov 16 15:24:41 I do wonder if it's possible to strip functions out of a binary, it presumably is as some debugging tools can do it, I just wonder how easy it would be to write a tool to do this (so people can do it themselves)? Nov 16 15:25:00 And update the module version ;) Nov 16 15:25:14 yeah, that should be easy enough Nov 16 15:25:29 If anyone has any pointers then that would be useful Nov 16 15:26:40 in terms of names we need: pci_bus_read_config_dword, *_write_*, pci_find_slot Nov 16 15:27:00 I've no idea why these are in there, they don't appear to be called by anything Nov 16 15:35:10 I've just checked again, and nothing uses the HOSTPCI* fns exported by the pvr.ko module, so it should be safe to remove them (and with them the calls into the kernel to our missing symbols) Nov 16 15:39:38 http://paste.debian.net/42604 Nov 16 15:40:11 looks like the debian packages for scratchbox are not complete Nov 16 15:40:19 lardman: Check this: http://mcmcc.bat.ru/mypatches/fixscript Nov 16 15:40:55 X-Fade_: cool, thanks Nov 16 15:41:22 lardman: It would need a bit of change, but this should give you an idea :) Nov 16 15:49:34 no... looks updated Nov 16 15:50:08 why not works then ? please can anybody tell me from where i get compatibility.sh ? Nov 16 15:50:19 can anybody that has a SDK can do a dpkg -S compatibility.sh ? Nov 16 16:01:22 dpkg: /scratchbox/sbin/compatibility.sh not found. Nov 16 16:01:40 part of scratchbox Nov 16 16:02:23 oops, wait, that was from inside Nov 16 16:02:30 scratchbox-core: /scratchbox/sbin/compatibility.sh Nov 16 16:05:20 anybody know if garage's coming up soon? Nov 16 16:05:31 people demand kagu! :P Nov 16 16:06:35 On maemo.org, there is doc about HOWTO UseTouchscreenPressureData Nov 16 16:06:43 Tak, thanks Nov 16 16:06:44 but on a xlib application Nov 16 16:06:50 what is those "nokia closed binaries" exactly ? Nov 16 16:07:16 Where I can get the same doc to sdl application ? Nov 16 16:07:35 (thanks for our answers) Nov 16 16:07:38 usually those are code that they licensed from someone else, and cant share. Nov 16 16:08:25 bill20r3, you talk to me ? well, i just what to know what exact parts are those "closed" that n800 has Nov 16 16:08:43 is there a maemo repo for os2008? Nov 16 16:09:24 Thana64: Wireless driver, multimedia codecs etc.. Nov 16 16:09:35 <_berto_> indiop: you have this -> http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 Nov 16 16:10:53 No one to answer me ? Nov 16 16:11:07 <_berto_> rothiel: sdl library? Nov 16 16:11:46 _berto_, > I wanna know how use touchscreen on a sdl appli Nov 16 16:12:19 get te x & y when a user click, etc... Nov 16 16:12:33 on maemo.org the is doc about that, but for Xlib Nov 16 16:12:52 _berto_: thanks, I thought there will be apt sources avail Nov 16 16:14:02 <_berto_> rothiel: I don't know, but I guess you can use this -> http://www.libsdl.org/ Nov 16 16:14:09 btw is there is a tab in the n810 Nov 16 16:14:10 <_berto_> indiop: there might be, I'm not sure :) Nov 16 16:14:10 can't find it Nov 16 16:14:11 heh Nov 16 16:14:12 X-Fade_, what exactly is that window-manager (a new one made for n800?) ? and those applets ? Nov 16 16:15:03 hola Nov 16 16:15:04 rothiel: you get mouse x,y like with any sdl app Nov 16 16:15:48 rothiel: tapping on scren = mouse left click Nov 16 16:16:14 ok Nov 16 16:16:21 thx a lot men :) Nov 16 16:16:43 you're welcome Nov 16 16:17:37 play more crysis, play with chinook sdk... these are the times that try men's souls... Nov 16 16:17:56 Thana64: It is all explained in this document: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_architecture.html Nov 16 16:18:29 actually, getting wayfinder to finish the usa east download is trying my patience. Nov 16 16:18:30 thanks X-Fade_ :) Nov 16 16:18:43 http://gronmayer.com/n800/repos/show_repos.php Nov 16 16:18:45 there are the repos Nov 16 16:18:46 cool Nov 16 16:19:59 I remember someone talking about cpu freq scaling a few days ago, is there a way to make the current N800 firmware run at 400Mhz? Nov 16 16:20:30 it is known bsd topic Nov 16 16:20:41 works fine on intel and amd cpu-s Nov 16 16:20:55 also looks that someone has it on n810 Nov 16 16:21:22 It does that in OS2008 in N800 also.. Nov 16 16:21:47 I have my laptop 1400 cpu working at 174 Nov 16 16:21:47 Scales from 165Mhz to 400Mhz.. Nov 16 16:23:44 zoran, do you know how to change it on an N800? Nov 16 16:23:56 \nope, not for now :) Nov 16 16:24:05 since I have 770 Nov 16 16:24:54 bill20r3, it should be compiled to the kernel, if I see it correctly Nov 16 16:25:13 and called as powerd daemon Nov 16 16:25:23 ahh ok, that's the answer I was after, thanks. Nov 16 16:25:26 * bill20r3 googles stuff now. Nov 16 16:25:59 my laptop is about 30 C even I do whatever Nov 16 16:32:00 hi all Nov 16 16:32:25 heh, don't assume a tap is a /left/ click Nov 16 16:35:41 What is the best way to convert an image (photo) to be used as a desktop background on an n800? Nov 16 16:36:18 ntrs_: just use it as is Nov 16 16:36:46 kagu 1.0.10 for chinook released - in the extras repo Nov 16 16:37:43 lardman, yes but the format is incorrect. The photo is of different size. Nov 16 16:37:55 ntrs_: resize it to 800x480 ? Nov 16 16:38:00 disq, I am looking for an application not running on the n800 Nov 16 16:38:20 Tak, yes but then the format will not be correct. Things will be streched out. Nov 16 16:38:43 trim it, ntrs_ Nov 16 16:38:46 I guess it needs to be a combination of resizing and croping. Nov 16 16:38:56 :) Nov 16 16:38:56 heh, the cropping is implied Nov 16 16:39:11 image magic probably could do it Nov 16 16:39:51 hey all Nov 16 16:39:53 Ok, how do I get the image to the n800? Do I have to take out the card move the file then reinsert the card? Nov 16 16:40:06 Can I transfer somehow through the USB? Nov 16 16:40:13 wifi, usb, bluetooth, ... Nov 16 16:40:13 wifi? Nov 16 16:40:14 <_Monkey> well, wifi is both demanding and heating Nov 16 16:40:23 I don't have net access from inside my scratchbox SDK... any suggestions? Nov 16 16:40:33 lophyte: check resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf Nov 16 16:41:13 "hosts: files dns" in nsswitch.conf Nov 16 16:41:32 nameserver 208.67.222.222 in resolv.conf Nov 16 16:41:44 Tak, how do I transfer through USB? Nov 16 16:42:03 folks, not related to 770/800/810, but have a question: I have new nokia 6233 and when I want to see the screen, it shows white for a less than second, then wallpaper comes up Nov 16 16:42:21 plug in the usb cable; the memory card should show up as a usb storage device in the other machine Nov 16 16:42:39 should I expect some lag or change the phone? Nov 16 16:43:03 lophyte: make sure you check those files both in /etc/ and in /scratchbox/etc/ Nov 16 16:43:19 I think only the /scratchbox/etc/ ones are important, but better be safe Nov 16 16:46:04 mgedmin, ah, nice... thanks Nov 16 16:46:12 had to edit /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf :) Nov 16 16:46:47 one more question.. is it possible to install the 'application manager' in the maemo SDK? where would I get that package? Nov 16 16:47:00 err Nov 16 16:47:00 nm Nov 16 16:47:03 think I found it Nov 16 16:47:09 osso-application-installer I'd imagine Nov 16 16:47:15 hildon-application-manager or -mgr Nov 16 16:47:23 could be osso-*-installer too Nov 16 16:49:14 `apt-get install '*osso*' '*hildon*'` should cover it ;-) Nov 16 16:50:01 .* rather Nov 16 16:52:31 hi Nov 16 16:52:32 <_Monkey> que tal, Ar-ras Nov 16 16:52:33 :) Nov 16 16:54:28 Does exist a solution for a IR-Remote Controle for N800? Nov 16 16:54:44 Any of you bad kids hack os2008 on the n800 and manage to instantiate a USB connection? ANY usb connection? Nov 16 16:55:27 maybe that's a hard question but... how many persons are using n800 ? i mean... its not very popular at all on spain, you CANT possible to buy in ANY shop, only nokia.com online Nov 16 16:56:17 That's in spain. More people have the n800 i believe .. It's a lot better than the 770 Nov 16 16:56:32 Thana64 Spain is a backward country who still use windows 95... :-P Nov 16 16:56:42 Hah Nov 16 16:56:44 you could call yourself happy; there are countries where it was almost impossible to get any way Nov 16 16:57:11 Even ebay? Nov 16 16:57:14 but i think, you can buy in spanish online store... Nov 16 16:57:35 Oh, in a shop .. Nov 16 16:57:51 Buying N800 in Germany is not a real alternative... there are no shops with N800 Nov 16 16:57:54 alterego, some parts or earth has no monetary trafficd to ebay, which asks for card issued in petain country Nov 16 16:57:55 Well the tablets aren't in many shops anywhere. Nov 16 16:58:11 alterego agree Nov 16 16:58:21 chinook? Nov 16 16:58:22 <_Monkey> well, chinook is the tag name for OS2008 Nov 16 16:58:25 Ar-ras, haha! Nov 16 16:58:51 Ar-ras, yes, i have buy it on a nokia online store... no way to found it on any Fnac or "el corte ingles" Nov 16 16:59:01 kagu 1.0.10 released for gregale/bora/chinook, check your repositories :) (garage is down) Nov 16 16:59:32 i have buy that bluetooth keyboard to a super-nokia-fan (2º hand), and he has say W0W when has view nokia n800, saying "i don't have know that exists" lol Nov 16 16:59:34 Thana64 wait a moment Nov 16 17:00:25 So who's running 2008? Nov 16 17:01:53 I run 2008 on N800 Nov 16 17:02:01 re Nov 16 17:02:24 Ar-ras: have you managed to connect to it via USB? Nov 16 17:02:49 ar-ras, what modules are loaded? Nov 16 17:02:53 Ar-ras: any connection at all, storage .. Ether .. Flash .. Nov 16 17:03:08 mmh Nov 16 17:03:18 wait Nov 16 17:03:22 i connect with USB Nov 16 17:03:45 mass storage Nov 16 17:03:55 I can access to Filesystem Nov 16 17:04:05 yepp Nov 16 17:04:15 Access to external and internal SD SLot Nov 16 17:04:28 Phew. Probably the bust machine I was using then :) Nov 16 17:04:38 bill20r3 Nov 16 17:04:48 why are you asking for firmware file? Nov 16 17:05:00 i posted the link on ITT Nov 16 17:05:02 to try out os2008 Nov 16 17:05:11 ahh, I didn't see that link. Nov 16 17:05:12 Ar-ras, do you have 2008 ? i have just finished to install the SDK, i have made the "tree" package (for console), but my GF's has take the n800 with she and i can't test if installs without problems :/ maybe you like to try it ? Nov 16 17:05:16 I'll go search for it. Nov 16 17:05:26 Thanks I'm gonna log off now. Conserve battery Nov 16 17:05:36 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=94542#post94542 Nov 16 17:06:03 thanks. Nov 16 17:06:14 Thana64 what should i test? Nov 16 17:06:45 Ar-ras, just to see if my package "tree" (that's the name of the package) installs and works without problems Nov 16 17:06:55 well, let me set up it online Nov 16 17:07:15 k Nov 16 17:07:44 bill20r3 do you know how to flash IT OS 2008? Nov 16 17:08:15 I saw some instructions on gizmodo, I'll follow those. Nov 16 17:09:12 bill20r3 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=94182&highlight=flasher-3%2A#post94182 Nov 16 17:09:27 Thana64 are you coder? Nov 16 17:09:51 cool, looks simple enough. Nov 16 17:10:10 Ar-ras, something like, but no for maemo Nov 16 17:10:45 Thana64 http://www.expansys.es/p.aspx?i=144761 , but sold out atm Nov 16 17:10:48 hrm. trying to do anything in the application manager within scratchbox pops up a little "operation failed" window :/ Nov 16 17:11:30 resiak: Did you try install from file? Nov 16 17:11:39 resiak broken repo? Nov 16 17:12:15 Ar-ras, thanks, is a good price :) Nov 16 17:12:37 Ar-ras, make a look here: http://thana.no-ip.org/n800 Nov 16 17:12:42 X-Fade_: i'm not trying to install anything in particular; but choosing that gives "Operation already in progress" Nov 16 17:12:49 The requested URL /n800 was not found on this server. Nov 16 17:13:06 resiak: yeah, it acts a bit weird for me too ;) Nov 16 17:13:27 Ar-ras, ok, reload Nov 16 17:14:28 not compatible Nov 16 17:15:55 mmh, what are hte messages ? Nov 16 17:17:00 just says "not compatible" Nov 16 17:17:14 and on details it says "not installable" Nov 16 17:17:29 let, met me make a look Nov 16 17:17:36 ho? Nov 16 17:17:38 how? Nov 16 17:17:54 well, let me try to understand what happens :) Nov 16 17:18:12 sorry it just gives that message Nov 16 17:18:20 kagu media scanner is still a pain Nov 16 17:18:30 maybe i should try to install with xterm? Nov 16 17:18:45 but it looks nice with glasser Nov 16 17:19:32 but why oh why can't i background the app Nov 16 17:20:31 Ar-ras, yes, try from xterm, that gives more messages Nov 16 17:20:40 Ar-ras: there is a log in application manager menu - or install via apt-get from xterm Nov 16 17:20:41 Ar-ras, you run chinook ? Nov 16 17:20:56 os 2008 Nov 16 17:21:00 yes Nov 16 17:23:03 grrr Nov 16 17:23:10 what is the password for sudo? Nov 16 17:23:24 user pass Nov 16 17:23:35 yes Nov 16 17:23:45 whats the password of root Nov 16 17:23:59 root/rootme Nov 16 17:24:35 doesnt accept :( Nov 16 17:24:41 install ssh Nov 16 17:24:51 cause root is disabled Nov 16 17:24:52 Ar-ras, ssh root@localhost, better Nov 16 17:25:06 then ssh root@local or from another machine Nov 16 17:25:17 then fix sudoers Nov 16 17:25:35 root@127.1 is easier to type Nov 16 17:25:38 ah yes Nov 16 17:25:48 but how to install ssh? Nov 16 17:26:06 enable red pill mode Nov 16 17:26:11 which package contains ssh? Nov 16 17:26:17 one of the repos should have it Nov 16 17:26:28 openssh-client? Nov 16 17:26:28 either dropbear OR openssh Nov 16 17:26:28 <_Monkey> openssh-client is the portable version of OpenSSH, a free implementation of the Secure Shell protocol. This package contains client side utilities: ssh, scp, sftp, ssh-agent, etc... http://downloads.maemo.org/product/openssh-client Nov 16 17:26:42 gainroot? Nov 16 17:26:42 <_Monkey> well, gainroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot Nov 16 17:26:43 better openssh Nov 16 17:26:44 becomeroot? Nov 16 17:26:45 <_Monkey> somebody said becomeroot was a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot Nov 16 17:26:49 no you need the meta package Nov 16 17:26:54 0.7 MB iirc Nov 16 17:26:57 ok ok its enough *G* Nov 16 17:27:50 _Monkey, die. Nov 16 17:27:50 <_Monkey> Luria: what? Nov 16 17:28:04 _Monkey? Nov 16 17:28:05 <_Monkey> yes, Luria? Nov 16 17:28:20 i shouldnt feed the bot Nov 16 17:29:28 anyone know how i can d/l the wayfinder mapsets without using the app Nov 16 17:29:32 ssh root@127.0.0.1 Nov 16 17:29:37 asks me for pass Nov 16 17:29:37 like a link? Nov 16 17:29:41 rootme Nov 16 17:29:42 <_Monkey> i heard rootme was the default pw? Nov 16 17:29:43 i write rootme Nov 16 17:29:47 so would you say crysis is the best looking thing right now Luria? the foliage and lighting seems really good. Nov 16 17:29:50 Ar-ras, rootme Nov 16 17:29:51 but refuses :-/ Nov 16 17:29:59 i dunno, my computer is crying Nov 16 17:30:15 $500 3d cards dont last two years Nov 16 17:30:19 sigh Nov 16 17:30:23 strange, its rootme, ih ave set my pass to my root user Nov 16 17:30:34 i really, really, really, liked bioshock Nov 16 17:30:36 not in chinook, btw Nov 16 17:30:36 Permission denied, please try again Nov 16 17:30:57 from outside? Nov 16 17:31:14 the tech may not be as fancy, but the art and story are great Nov 16 17:31:20 so in chinook, are a hilarious number of applications referenced in /etc/hildon-desktop/*.conf meant to be missing from /usr/share/applications ? Nov 16 17:31:28 from outside? Nov 16 17:31:48 chinook has been kinda wonky for me Nov 16 17:32:10 mmh Nov 16 17:32:11 Ar-ras, try to do: apt-cache policy libc6 Nov 16 17:32:20 Ar-ras, looks like this can be the only problem Nov 16 17:32:45 xterm sucks :-/ Nov 16 17:32:50 heh Nov 16 17:32:56 when i want to use bigscreenkeyboard Nov 16 17:33:00 thumbkeyboard Nov 16 17:33:13 then home.html is standard input :-/ Nov 16 17:33:16 i love having a bt kybd Nov 16 17:33:26 so necessary Nov 16 17:33:38 oh, i never thought of that :D Nov 16 17:33:42 tablet+bt kb Nov 16 17:33:44 or make a new chinese alike system with 2 pointers Nov 16 17:33:49 of course, it all makes sense now :D Nov 16 17:34:08 i almost stopped using my notebook Nov 16 17:34:08 or make a new chinese alike system with 2 pointers Nov 16 17:34:23 Luria, the bt keyboard of nokia ? Nov 16 17:34:26 no Nov 16 17:34:30 ah ok :) Nov 16 17:34:37 * Thana64 thinks thats a bit hard to type with Nov 16 17:34:38 whats not the igo Nov 16 17:34:44 not=now Nov 16 17:34:59 Luria, any link to that kb ? Nov 16 17:35:13 sure one sec Nov 16 17:35:22 Thana64 did aptcache and now? Nov 16 17:35:36 Ar-ras, tell me the number of the one installed Nov 16 17:36:01 2.5.0-1osso7 Nov 16 17:36:06 http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=2524884 Nov 16 17:36:09 strange, needs to work then Nov 16 17:36:15 msrp is nuts Nov 16 17:36:23 i got mine for $90 Nov 16 17:36:34 Ar-ras, well, if you can root on xterm, see what messages says, if not, its ok, i wait that my GF back with the n800 this night to make a look :) Nov 16 17:37:04 but why i cant get root access :-( Nov 16 17:37:15 get passwd Nov 16 17:37:19 john passwd Nov 16 17:37:20 :D Nov 16 17:37:22 but, you should know that the number row is overlayed on the qwerty row and requires a function key Nov 16 17:37:42 its the cost of being really small Nov 16 17:38:02 Luria, looks good :) Nov 16 17:38:09 Ar-ras, could you ssh as user and then sudo or whatever? Nov 16 17:38:17 Ar-ras, idk, maybe is not "rootme" hte pass on chinook ? :/ Nov 16 17:38:24 yes it is Nov 16 17:38:28 Ar-ras, with ssh root@localhost needs to work Nov 16 17:38:34 i just did this on my n800 Nov 16 17:38:59 zoran password of user? Nov 16 17:39:11 Thana64 how can we get the password :-/ Nov 16 17:39:14 dont fuck the the user passwd Nov 16 17:39:19 with Nov 16 17:39:28 i did on 770 and it works ok Nov 16 17:39:34 that is reputed to cause major problems Nov 16 17:39:37 Ar-ras, what ssh you have installed ? Nov 16 17:39:48 openssh Nov 16 17:39:50 changing the user passwd is the first thing I do on installing ssh Nov 16 17:40:11 Ar-ras, could you check if openssh daemons? Nov 16 17:40:25 Ar-ras, is strange that rootme not works for you... if you don't have changed the root password Nov 16 17:40:32 or shutdown -r now Nov 16 17:41:00 you have to include it in /etc/rc... whatever Nov 16 17:41:17 or check first with ps | grep Nov 16 17:41:34 yep Nov 16 17:43:27 "ps -a | grep ssh " should work Nov 16 17:43:47 you should get something like: Nov 16 17:44:12 792 root 3456 SW /usr/sbin/sshd Nov 16 17:44:40 (and a second return with the grep process. ignore that) Nov 16 17:45:37 1818 root 3168 SWN /usr/sbin/sshd Nov 16 17:45:43 that's it Nov 16 17:46:14 we all know it's up when you told it gave you the prompt Nov 16 17:46:27 anyone got an n810 or n800 with os2008 on it handy? Nov 16 17:46:30 oh i missed that Nov 16 17:46:43 lardman, n800, yeah Nov 16 17:46:55 could you give me the uname -r output please Nov 16 17:47:03 sure Nov 16 17:47:29 2.6.21-omap1 Nov 16 17:47:38 thanks Nov 16 17:47:40 np Nov 16 17:48:00 hmm, different length, I wonder how one alters the vermagic in a kernel module... Nov 16 17:48:03 whats the big difference between .18 and .21 Nov 16 17:48:13 no idea, sorry Nov 16 17:48:18 np Nov 16 17:49:31 grr ff mem leak in effect Nov 16 17:50:03 i swear ff is the emacs of webbrowsers Nov 16 17:50:58 i have an idea about infrared remote control for N800 Nov 16 17:50:59 kernel changes quite rapidly nowadays, so there are a lot of minor changes at least between .18 and .21 Nov 16 17:51:19 (if we were talking about kernel versions here..) Nov 16 17:52:50 it ought to be in the changelogs too: http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.19 etc. Nov 16 17:53:34 yeah, was looking at that Nov 16 17:53:46 os2008? Nov 16 17:53:47 <_Monkey> os2008 is really fast Nov 16 17:53:51 ...damn Nov 16 17:53:57 was hoping _Monkey would have useful output Nov 16 17:54:02 lol Nov 16 17:54:20 bots are the bane of those seeking useful output. Nov 16 17:54:25 kick monkey Nov 16 17:54:42 he was useful last night :) Nov 16 17:54:44 itt? Nov 16 17:54:44 <_Monkey> itt is http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums Nov 16 17:54:50 "shock the monkey" Nov 16 17:54:53 *that's* useful. Nov 16 17:55:09 bots? Nov 16 17:55:09 <_Monkey> bots are the bane of those seeking useful output. Nov 16 17:55:15 *chuckle* Nov 16 17:55:19 haha Nov 16 17:56:46 bot could read some db and give results, depending on key word Nov 16 17:57:02 #269275 +(395)- [X] Nov 16 17:57:02 You know it's a bad sign when you call ISP support to change some dns servers around and they ask if the ip address you just gave them was a phone number or IP address. Nov 16 17:57:12 sometimes i love bash Nov 16 17:57:48 rofl Nov 16 17:58:15 does somebody ported Wine to N800? Nov 16 17:58:41 Ar-ras, you don't have obtained root finally ? Nov 16 17:58:59 Thana64 no Nov 16 17:58:59 evenink Nov 16 17:59:32 Ar-ras, reboot if not a prob Nov 16 17:59:37 Ar-ras: wine needs x86 Nov 16 17:59:42 ok :/ Nov 16 18:00:02 Luria, maybe you can try from xterm why this package not installs ? http://thana.no-ip.org/n800 Nov 16 18:00:43 I gotta try out this Palm OS for maemo Nov 16 18:00:59 its really good Nov 16 18:01:06 yeah? sweet Nov 16 18:01:15 I am having terrible problems using the scratchbox/maemo setup, can anyone help me? Nov 16 18:01:20 wumpus: you about? Nov 16 18:01:27 Thana64, gimme a sec Nov 16 18:02:13 I have a Nokia 770 and I am running Ubuntu 7.10 Nov 16 18:02:28 I'm trying to make a remote for MythTV Nov 16 18:02:40 but not running Ubuntu on Nokia 770 ;) Nov 16 18:02:46 heheh right Nov 16 18:03:00 I followed this tutorial: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html Nov 16 18:03:02 ubuntu-mobile on the n800 would rock Nov 16 18:03:09 not so ridiculous Nov 16 18:03:13 exactly Nov 16 18:03:19 why did they not build a x86 into the N800 :-/ Nov 16 18:03:26 um Nov 16 18:03:56 When I run this command: af-sb-init.sh start Nov 16 18:04:02 because then they would need 2500mah batteries to give it have the life it has now? Nov 16 18:04:17 Luria no problem... :) Nov 16 18:04:36 I get back several lines of "/scractchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: : No such file or directory" Nov 16 18:04:38 embedded devices are rarely x86 based Nov 16 18:04:39 then get a umpc Nov 16 18:04:51 yeah Nov 16 18:04:57 they are useless, tho Nov 16 18:04:59 maybe when they are cheaper Nov 16 18:05:04 arm seems to be most common Nov 16 18:05:06 1.5 hour battery life Nov 16 18:05:16 *EXCEPT* for the computer of my dreams Nov 16 18:05:29 Nov 16 18:05:34 http://www.gd-itronix.com/index.cfm?page=Products:MR-1 Nov 16 18:05:46 bah Nov 16 18:05:48 ugly Nov 16 18:05:50 i want that so badly Nov 16 18:06:08 its like my n800+cf-m34 all in one Nov 16 18:06:39 what about the vaio UX? Nov 16 18:06:46 http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=577&parentCategoryId=16154 Nov 16 18:06:49 so much sexier Nov 16 18:06:54 thats the one i played with that sucked imo Nov 16 18:07:10 i found it very bulky Nov 16 18:07:40 yea but you can't beat the features Nov 16 18:08:06 gyros that turn off the hard drive if it starts to fall Nov 16 18:08:07 sweet vaio ux looks good Nov 16 18:08:25 oh please. sexier? i could have the logo of sony, maker of audio cd root kits, or general dynamics, maker of the f-16. Nov 16 18:08:26 fingerprint scanner Nov 16 18:09:17 boo for sony :) Nov 16 18:09:18 crap, kybd battery died Nov 16 18:09:45 so anyway, does anyone have any ideas about this error? "http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=10551&storeId=10151&langId=-1&categoryId=577&parentCategoryId=16154" Nov 16 18:09:48 oops Nov 16 18:09:51 ill take the general dynamics one with bt, wifi, gps and 3g Nov 16 18:10:02 I wish I wasn't so impatient... Nov 16 18:10:09 I should've waited for the n810 to come out Nov 16 18:10:11 this error "/scractchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: : No such file or directory" Nov 16 18:10:20 lardman: yep Nov 16 18:10:50 i want to write applications for N800 Nov 16 18:11:06 what programming language I must learn? Nov 16 18:11:14 python is probably the easiest Nov 16 18:11:24 wumpus: I was just idly thinking of what I should rename the pci symbols to Nov 16 18:11:44 lardman, still working on the kern mode reveng? Nov 16 18:11:45 Ar-ras, http://www.diveintopython.org/ Nov 16 18:11:50 kern mod even Nov 16 18:12:03 Ar-ras, also: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/python_maemo_3.x_howto.html Nov 16 18:12:09 oha Nov 16 18:12:10 X-Fade_ gave me the url of a cool script which uses objcopy to alter the kernel version info and it also renames symbols Nov 16 18:12:20 lophyte > and the best :) Nov 16 18:12:22 and with python i can code GUI? Nov 16 18:12:23 heh. that's evil Nov 16 18:12:24 lets make sure nokia sells lots of units in 2008 before the x86 crap starts being pushed on consumers Nov 16 18:12:29 Ar-ras, yes Nov 16 18:12:34 Luria, what's the error messages ? Nov 16 18:12:40 I also get this error "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set Nov 16 18:12:40 " Nov 16 18:12:41 Ar-ras > easily with gtk Nov 16 18:12:54 take your tablets with you - show em to people Nov 16 18:12:54 Ar-ras: also ruby! Nov 16 18:12:57 Thana64, one sec. my kybd died. dpkging right now Nov 16 18:13:00 beurk Nov 16 18:13:03 ok Nov 16 18:13:13 khertan, I loves python Nov 16 18:13:13 does anyone have any experience opening up a 770? I've removed the torx screws but the case doesn't want to open up. Nov 16 18:13:16 Luria you get Root access? Nov 16 18:13:23 lophyte > me too :) Nov 16 18:13:31 Ar-ras, yes Nov 16 18:13:47 how? Nov 16 18:14:22 red pill+install ssh + ssh root@localhost + vi sudoers Nov 16 18:14:35 red pill? Nov 16 18:14:35 <_Monkey> i guess red pill is soocool Nov 16 18:14:52 Thana64, any switches i need other than -i on dpkg? Nov 16 18:14:56 i really wanted monkey to give me real information Nov 16 18:14:59 stupid monkey Nov 16 18:15:09 Luria, no, just that Nov 16 18:15:17 lophyte> i hope that gtk.glade will be ported soon to chinook Nov 16 18:15:19 k Nov 16 18:15:34 khertan, is it available for bora? Nov 16 18:15:39 no errors Nov 16 18:15:56 oh wait Nov 16 18:16:03 lophyte> yes it is Nov 16 18:16:10 nice.. Nov 16 18:16:25 I just got my n800 so I haven't written any code yet, just been playing around Nov 16 18:16:26 tree is working Nov 16 18:16:36 Luria, perfect, that's good :) Nov 16 18:16:53 so if you want to play onboard :) i suggest you PyGTKEditor :) Nov 16 18:17:01 Luria, i don't know why, Ar-ras has found a problem installing it (from the GUI, this is why we have tried that he installs from cli) Nov 16 18:17:06 it s a small editor for python :) Nov 16 18:17:27 Thana64, hey, if youre set up, could you recompile vim? Nov 16 18:17:33 haha Nov 16 18:17:39 ok, ok Nov 16 18:17:40 im just thinkin on that, Luria :) Nov 16 18:17:53 cool Nov 16 18:17:59 aparently the vim of n800 sucks, or it has something strange Nov 16 18:18:05 i cant believe the old package doesnt work Nov 16 18:18:13 it doesnt install Nov 16 18:18:14 looks like "vi" Nov 16 18:18:15 khertan, nice.. is it in the standard maemo repos? Nov 16 18:18:21 no ... Nov 16 18:18:27 i can't upl Nov 16 18:18:28 oh, well, i have it (no chiinok) Nov 16 18:18:40 upload it Nov 16 18:18:49 does anyone have any ideas on speeding up the internet browser for the 770? Nov 16 18:18:56 but you can find it on maemo.org/downloads Nov 16 18:19:06 Luria, but now that i have the SDK, i can try to made some packages... i can set a nice repo with misc things when i found a bit of time Nov 16 18:19:18 or http://khertan.net Nov 16 18:19:54 the old openvpn works, but the install process is still nonsense Nov 16 18:20:44 install this deb, then copy this openvpn binary over the installed one in /usr/sbin Nov 16 18:20:47 I see someone saying they add "-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp" when the configure software inside scratchbox, is this necessary? Is this only need in x86 target Nov 16 18:21:27 Will this speed up packages I compiled in ARMEL target if I recompile with those flags? Nov 16 18:22:05 those will enable the code the use the floating point hardware on the n800 cpu Nov 16 18:22:31 and configure itself is not interested about those, but gcc Nov 16 18:22:41 hmm Nov 16 18:22:52 it does propogate them though which is useful Nov 16 18:23:05 I never used these, do you think it would affect KDE Nov 16 18:23:09 make it faster? Nov 16 18:23:23 hey lardman Nov 16 18:23:28 depends how much fp stuff it does? Nov 16 18:23:29 depending what you do, they might give a good performance boost. But e.g. ogg and theora (video codec) has both integer implementations and they are (slightly) faster that the floating point versions Nov 16 18:24:08 I thought tremor was a fair bit better than vorbis? Nov 16 18:24:17 long time ago now though Nov 16 18:24:27 that is what I was trying to say.. Nov 16 18:24:48 Well I guess that leaves me back recompiling 100 more source packages Nov 16 18:24:51 I know :), just taking exception to the (slightly) ;) Nov 16 18:25:39 penguinbait: you don't need to recompile everything, they happily exist together (soft- and hardfloat) Nov 16 18:25:59 bye Nov 16 18:26:03 so maybe just all KDE Nov 16 18:26:07 at QT Nov 16 18:26:20 penguinbait: also note that as libm isn't vfp enabled, you won't get any speed up of mathematical fns (trig, sqrt, exp, etc.) unless you build your own and statically link it Nov 16 18:27:10 that's probably not a big issue though, I'd have thought general fp calculations would be the norm, if anything Nov 16 18:28:14 well I am thinking since I just finished it, perhaps I will post new 2008 version of KDE and then go back and try to optimize Nov 16 18:28:22 may as well Nov 16 18:28:38 Koffice apps are a bit slow, so I would like to see if I can speed things up Nov 16 18:28:51 well a recompile of a given app might give you an indication Nov 16 18:29:59 is there a howto of how to upgrade to chinook if i have the system on a external card ? Nov 16 18:31:28 khertan, awesome, thanks :) Nov 16 18:32:03 ooh i won the mavic aero bars on ebay Nov 16 18:32:09 I am thinking anything KDE would need KDElibs and QT redone to see the improvment, but perhaps even just Koffice itself Nov 16 18:32:24 hmm gadgetfs.ko Nov 16 18:32:29 How does XFCE run? Nov 16 18:32:53 XFCE runs well, but it depends on what you want to use it for Nov 16 18:33:06 fysa: XFCE is slim and uses GTK apps Nov 16 18:33:13 fysa: its great for thin clients Nov 16 18:33:19 right. KDE is better for the touchscreen? Nov 16 18:33:36 are we talking about kde on the n800 o_o Nov 16 18:33:43 please no Nov 16 18:33:44 yeah thats a bit out there Nov 16 18:33:46 or just kde in genereal Nov 16 18:33:53 KDE is just more of a full suite of applications, instead of just an operating environment Nov 16 18:34:02 er, okay Nov 16 18:34:03 though ktorrent would be nice Nov 16 18:34:06 penguinbait: desktop environment Nov 16 18:34:08 Qt on the n800 then :P Nov 16 18:34:09 have a nice weekend all, will report back about pvr.ko on Sunday Nov 16 18:34:24 ok desktop Nov 16 18:34:24 <_Monkey> desktop is a product Nov 16 18:34:49 * lophyte wonders if its possible to have Qt apps on maemo Nov 16 18:35:04 sure why not Nov 16 18:35:15 I guess the real question is.. are there Qt libs for armel Nov 16 18:35:34 it'd be fun to get QTopia running on it Nov 16 18:35:43 they compile no problems 3.3.8 compiles with no alterations needed Nov 16 18:35:58 nice Nov 16 18:35:59 and KDE use QT so they are in the KDE tarballs Nov 16 18:36:25 I have not used qtopia, because it does not use X Nov 16 18:36:52 I didnt want to try to figure out how to turn off X without the tablet rebooting Nov 16 18:39:43 khertan, I'm gonna grab your pypackager app, it sounds incredibly useful ;) Nov 16 18:40:38 anyone know where I can find the source of the maemo hcitool? Nov 16 18:40:43 can you restart the ITs wm without a reboot? Nov 16 18:41:10 QT would lead to a full-on mythtv client Nov 16 18:41:20 it would be helpful for using fc-cache to test some unicode fonts Nov 16 18:41:55 khertan: do you have the extras integration done aleady to pypackager? Nov 16 18:42:07 Mmmm...Just wondering if anyone has thought of installing a 'tertiary bootstrap' on the tablet. Eg a minimal zImage that allows you to load the real kernel from mmc cards. Nov 16 18:42:42 * konttori is still fighting to get ukmp to extras Nov 16 18:43:26 konttori, are you the ukmp dev? Nov 16 18:43:40 I have now seemingly proper .changes and .dsc files that contain MD5 checksums and are gpg signed, but still the package is not appearing to chinook Nov 16 18:43:49 yeah Nov 16 18:43:59 Idea being to allow booting IT2007 or 2008 (or anything else you might want) without flashing. Nov 16 18:44:24 konttori, cool.. nice job :) Nov 16 18:44:28 thanks Nov 16 18:44:54 I've now been stuck for 2 weeks because I can't upload the damn package to extras. Nov 16 18:45:44 Screaming, it has been thought of Nov 16 18:45:53 Dont think anyone has done it though Nov 16 18:46:07 I would talk to Fanoush at Internettablettalk Nov 16 18:46:37 Ta penguinbait. Nov 16 18:46:58 np Nov 16 18:50:05 ahh.. .changes file also needs to contain md5 of the dsc file. Nice. Here we go again. Nov 16 18:50:40 Does anyone know if the dsc file is actually mandatory or not Nov 16 18:50:43 While ur here penguinbait, gotta thank u for the KDE port (dying to try ur IT2008 one). U know you can do it by using an ext2 formatted partition and symlinking /usr/local/kde and /usr/local/qt of course. Nov 16 18:51:01 konttori: those files are autogenerated.. Nov 16 18:51:09 not for me Nov 16 18:51:29 Screaming, when not booting from SD/mmc, I just mount 1.5GB on /usr/local and untar Nov 16 18:51:44 well, maybe it should be for you too.. Nov 16 18:51:49 I seem to always need to do everything the wrong way until I figure out the right way. Nov 16 18:51:54 yeah, you are so right Nov 16 18:52:25 My install of XFCE, used dd to create a ext2 mountable file and mounted the file as /usr/local, not partitioning needed Nov 16 18:52:45 I plan to make similar script for KDE Nov 16 18:53:28 Konttori, its called learning :) Nov 16 18:53:29 i'd like a bz2'd partition image of xfce-based system for my lazy multibooting ass Nov 16 18:53:41 true ;) Nov 16 18:53:41 But symlink keeps it nicely seperate. The dd is a pretty trick tho :-o Nov 16 18:55:14 I am thinking you could probably make multiple dd images with different setups and heve them used in conjunction with bootmenu, boot from dd image on mmc Nov 16 18:57:29 Now THAT is getting smarter. More so if you can gunzip em on the fly! Nov 16 18:58:10 Well FS images dont compress easily if at all Nov 16 18:58:15 Is it possible to make Windows Mobile for N800? Nov 16 18:58:20 :D Nov 16 18:58:26 <_< Nov 16 18:58:26 ew Nov 16 18:58:34 * lophyte feels sick at the thought Nov 16 18:58:37 Why not go buy a real WinMob device? :\ Nov 16 18:58:38 :D Nov 16 18:58:40 * penguinbait slaps Ar-ras around a bit with a large trout Nov 16 18:58:49 a large trout even Nov 16 18:58:56 hehe was just a joke :D Nov 16 18:59:15 wipte that off, theres a little fish left on your face Nov 16 18:59:17 :) Nov 16 18:59:34 s/wipte/wipe Nov 16 18:59:38 If you want to shock #maemo then just mention Windows Mobile on N800 Nov 16 19:00:00 anyone know the name of the asian IT "knockoff" Nov 16 19:00:12 i remember it uses hildon and the old 624mhz arm Nov 16 19:00:32 HTC? Nov 16 19:00:47 no, no Nov 16 19:00:54 it comes with linux Nov 16 19:01:14 it starts with H, I am blanking Nov 16 19:02:36 http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/14/samsungs-q1-umpc-down-to-580/ Nov 16 19:02:38 wow Nov 16 19:02:45 Really? I regularly bzip my vmware ones. You gotta fill the free space with nulls/spaces to do it but it really works well. Btw If anyone sees Thoughtfix, give him my apologies, I suggested getting an illicit id for the N810 image. Never thought it might be HIS that was gonna get hit. Nov 16 19:03:10 ScreamingN800, you might be interested in zerotools Nov 16 19:03:11 hello! Nov 16 19:03:17 ScreamingN800, especially with sparse/growing disks Nov 16 19:03:34 so when are most people going to be getting their n810's? Nov 16 19:03:53 580$ for that samsung is a great deal Nov 16 19:03:57 ScreamingN800, also, using rzip will generally yield much better compression with vms. but ymmv whether you want to use it really. Nov 16 19:05:15 If only the screen resolution was actually reasonable for 7" Nov 16 19:06:06 ScreamingN800, http://koltsoff.com/pub/zerotools/ Nov 16 19:06:29 why isnt there a release date for the n810 anywhere on nokia's site? very frustrating. Nov 16 19:06:36 GeneralAntilles how is the current state of Overclocking N800? Nov 16 19:06:49 Dunno, haven't bothered to look into it. Nov 16 19:07:37 Pish! its a python one-liner. Nov 16 19:07:53 Or Ruby, b4 you say it. Nov 16 19:09:03 http://www.engadget.com/2007/02/05/h9-umpc-runs-linux/ Nov 16 19:09:07 * yabbas scares penguinbait with a large penguin Nov 16 19:09:15 Luria Nov 16 19:09:23 yabbas!! Nov 16 19:09:30 thanks Nov 16 19:09:33 Luria H9? Nov 16 19:09:36 is that it Nov 16 19:09:39 yeah Nov 16 19:09:44 thats it Nov 16 19:09:49 I knew it was H something Nov 16 19:09:56 it was driving me nuts Nov 16 19:10:06 ah it runs the 520mhz pxa270 Nov 16 19:10:08 penguinbait: Kpersonalize is too large at startup :( I ended up minimizing it in the hopes it'd pop up - then realising nothing would happen. Had to reboot. Nov 16 19:10:18 me too, for a couple of days Nov 16 19:10:29 yabbas, that why I usually provide a .kde folder :) Nov 16 19:10:46 you can get through it by hitting enter using dpad Nov 16 19:11:12 I did, but there was a point in it where it wouldn't work ... possibly because I selected a different option in one of the windows. Nov 16 19:11:19 (silly me) Nov 16 19:11:25 even though you can not see the bottom of the screen, alternatey from ssh you could start kpager at the same time Nov 16 19:11:51 gah - I should've thought of that Nov 16 19:12:06 god thats a horrible font Nov 16 19:12:26 what is it with east asia and horrible english fonts Nov 16 19:12:41 anyways, I loaded JuK and then whilst it was loading I went to the menu...kablam - kde crashed/system restarted Nov 16 19:12:55 hmmm Nov 16 19:13:02 its like ooh. we like courier, its like a typewriter, lets make it even worse Nov 16 19:13:20 monospaced horrors ensue. Nov 16 19:13:48 perhaps you need to fsck after your first reboot? Nov 16 19:14:00 Loaded again...."Knotify Problem - KNotify" -...During the previous startup Knotify crashed while instantiating Knotify. Do you wish to try again or disable aRts sound output? Nov 16 19:14:17 yes, this is again something I usually fix Nov 16 19:14:26 it is in the .kde usually Nov 16 19:14:38 Luria: they end up that way because their own script is entirely monospaced Nov 16 19:14:53 Luria: that is indeed a mystery - why do asian websites have those giant courier texts Nov 16 19:14:55 go to sound configuration and change from Autodetect to ESD "Enlightened Sound Daemo" Nov 16 19:14:56 JuK - "The KDE Crash handler" - The application JuK (juk) crashed and caused a signal 11 (SIGSEGV) Nov 16 19:15:01 Daemon Nov 16 19:15:05 okies Nov 16 19:15:06 ah. Nov 16 19:15:21 arial unicode seems to work without monospacing Nov 16 19:15:25 iirc Nov 16 19:15:46 yabbas when Juk started did it prompt you to select some media directories? Nov 16 19:16:11 nope Nov 16 19:16:39 shall I alter any other sound options? Nov 16 19:16:57 maybe the sound server being seyt wrong cause the problem Nov 16 19:17:02 Luria: it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the font Nov 16 19:17:13 , I raise arts priority on first tab also Nov 16 19:17:13 okies, setting now - gonan restart it and fsck "just in case" Nov 16 19:17:15 true. Nov 16 19:17:16 unlimited Nov 16 19:17:38 just saying, the typefaces, monospaced or not, tend to be horrible. Nov 16 19:17:51 you can sometimes find examples where a non-monospaced latin font was used inside an asian text Nov 16 19:17:54 mostly a problem with chinese stuff, but korean stuff too. Nov 16 19:18:08 the latin is still rendered as if it were monospaced, so that it doesn't throw the asian characters out of line Nov 16 19:18:25 * yabbas logs out and waits for hildon Nov 16 19:19:04 nini dinner calls. Nov 16 19:21:31 hmm, very silly question - can I fsck the root dir while its mounted? Nov 16 19:21:44 can or should Nov 16 19:21:45 :) Nov 16 19:21:50 I would go with no Nov 16 19:21:54 mount it read-only Nov 16 19:22:02 still not optimal, but better Nov 16 19:22:20 mount -o remount,rw / Nov 16 19:22:22 should do it Nov 16 19:23:21 bwah - booting into flash os Nov 16 19:23:24 anyone know of a way to d/l the wayfinder maps out side of wayfinder? Nov 16 19:23:38 usa east keeps dying after 70% Nov 16 19:23:53 do you have enough space? Nov 16 19:23:54 im glad i dont have a bandwidth cap Nov 16 19:23:57 yeah Nov 16 19:24:02 You need more room on your card. Nov 16 19:24:05 830+mb Nov 16 19:24:09 Use double the space as a baseline Nov 16 19:24:13 ah Nov 16 19:24:15 ta Nov 16 19:24:19 Mine were failing with 950MB free Nov 16 19:24:25 Upped it to 1.5GB and it went find. Nov 16 19:24:29 *fine Nov 16 19:24:37 i guess i will have to find a 8gb sdhc in nyc today Nov 16 19:24:54 class 6, at a decent price Nov 16 19:25:37 i guess i could use ethereal to see where the maps are comping from.... Nov 16 19:25:42 coming Nov 16 19:29:27 http://www.pocketables.net/2007/09/three-nokia-n80.html Nov 16 19:40:17 Oh my god!!!! I have been able to upload ukmp to extras! Nov 16 19:40:42 * konttori rofl (with joy) Nov 16 19:40:56 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/U/ Nov 16 19:41:01 Now, how cool is that! Nov 16 19:42:33 konttori: nice one re ukmp :) Nov 16 19:43:23 thanks. Finally, I can actually start having an updateable ukmp. wow. this is just so great. Nov 16 19:43:34 Hi Nov 16 19:45:11 thank you for ukmp Nov 16 19:45:32 thanks! you like it then? Nov 16 19:45:53 I think its safe to say we all love it :) Nov 16 19:46:16 hmm, refreshed the application manager and I can't see ukmp on the list. Nov 16 19:46:21 great to hear that! Nov 16 19:46:32 do you have chinook distribution Nov 16 19:46:35 yup Nov 16 19:46:56 chinook/extras or just chinook? Nov 16 19:47:00 i prefer kagu myself. :P Nov 16 19:47:04 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/U/ Nov 16 19:47:17 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/k/ Nov 16 19:47:19 I don't know then why it's not showing in the AM Nov 16 19:47:39 aye - kagu shows up Nov 16 19:47:39 disq: I think you guys have been doing great job with kagu. Nov 16 19:47:44 love it. Nov 16 19:48:02 * yabbas is installing it now :) Nov 16 19:48:17 yabbas, juk working now/ Nov 16 19:48:17 there's no ukmp deb in chinook extras Nov 16 19:48:18 ? Nov 16 19:48:20 it's just a dir Nov 16 19:48:42 wait what Nov 16 19:48:43 has the wrong name too, should just be "UKMP" Nov 16 19:48:46 yabbas: do you have ukmp1.70beta already installed? Nov 16 19:48:55 no media player trout slapping duel? Nov 16 19:49:02 that dir name should not have .deb in it.. hm Nov 16 19:49:21 penguinbait: fixed a few orphaned inodes . . . loaded kde; but err...it didn't shut down matchbox :D so now I have a hybridfreak of matchbox and teh KDE menubar Nov 16 19:49:42 konttori: nope, no ukmp installed at all Nov 16 19:49:59 ahh. Nov 16 19:50:04 hmm.. /me is checking Nov 16 19:51:14 I uploaded ukmp to bora as well: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/U/ Nov 16 19:51:28 sound is working in kde - which it wasn't before...juk has loaded. and asked for a folders list :) Nov 16 19:51:39 wtf - did you use dput to upload these? Nov 16 19:51:53 konttori: your bora upload is borked too. yeah, should use dput Nov 16 19:51:56 _Monkey, ukmp? Nov 16 19:51:57 <_Monkey> rumour has it ukmp is a Media Player, available for download at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/ukmp Nov 16 19:53:14 * lophyte is eager to try KDE but doesn't have a spare mmc card Nov 16 19:53:49 Me too on KDE :-), how big a card does one need? Nov 16 19:53:58 4G, I hope will do :) Nov 16 19:54:07 4G should be good Nov 16 19:54:12 !!! Nov 16 19:54:19 Sitting here waiting for FEDEX :) Nov 16 19:54:20 2GB should do too :) Nov 16 19:54:25 Patiently... Nov 16 19:54:32 me arse :-) Nov 16 19:54:51 at least you're not waiting for UPS Nov 16 19:54:55 Only got 1 4G and a couple 1G for now. Nov 16 19:54:56 I've got a 2gb with music on it and a 1gb Nov 16 19:55:05 you'd be waiting longer, and your tablet would be broken when it finally arrived Nov 16 19:55:06 if I had another 2gb or a 4gb... Nov 16 19:55:20 No sh*t, I avoid shipping UPS or USPS in any way possible, Nov 16 19:55:38 I splurged for 2 day... Nov 16 19:56:18 UPS's idea of delivery is to toss it out inside the apartment door and you hope you get there before the neighborhood thugs... Nov 16 19:56:34 Got real attitudes too. Nov 16 19:56:48 What, you actually expect me to deliver it to *you*... Nov 16 19:57:05 Yeah, just a bit disappointed with those folks. Nov 16 19:57:06 Ha Nov 16 19:57:12 My experience is that FedEx is shit Nov 16 19:57:21 I ALWAYS get my packages on time and in good shape from UPS. Nov 16 19:57:23 Prolly depends on the driver. Nov 16 19:57:25 I've never had a problem with any couriers Nov 16 19:57:28 disq: I don't have dput on osx Nov 16 19:57:33 USPS, UPS, FedEx... Nov 16 19:57:48 Here we have ONE USPS person who is great. The other various ethnics can't get it right on a bet. Nov 16 19:57:48 The drivers always deliver it to the office if you're not home here. Nov 16 19:58:05 Same block seems to make the local drivers happy... Nov 16 19:58:21 Or they have something going with the neighborhood thugs, who knows. Nov 16 19:58:35 I want transporters already. ;) Nov 16 19:58:40 Me tooo! Nov 16 19:58:57 Or, even better, bittorrent for matter. :D Nov 16 19:59:03 LOL Nov 16 19:59:19 atomtorrent Nov 16 19:59:27 Where IS this guy? Will probably arrive at 1629 :-/. Nov 16 19:59:31 disq: if you have any idea what might be the problem, I would really appreciate it Nov 16 19:59:42 You did it wrong. Nov 16 19:59:50 Wonder if I'll get 2006 or 2007 on this one. Nov 16 19:59:55 I use: scp * konttori@garage.maemo.org:/var/www/extras/incoming/bora Nov 16 19:59:56 2007 Nov 16 20:00:04 There's no such thing as 2006 for the N800 Nov 16 20:00:07 Hope so! Nov 16 20:00:15 Got 190 apps to try out :). Nov 16 20:00:15 dir containt ukmp deb, changes and dsc Nov 16 20:00:17 you're doing it wrong. Nov 16 20:00:52 Ah, good news. When I get a really great price I worry about getting real old stuck, but buy.com has a pretty decent rep. Nov 16 20:01:03 stuck/stick Nov 16 20:01:04 tak: what do you mean? Nov 16 20:01:06 argh Nov 16 20:01:12 stuck/stock Nov 16 20:01:28 Yeah, I've got 2 friends who ordered N800s from buy.com and they're both fine. ;) Nov 16 20:01:44 one of my cow orkers got an N800 from buy.com as well Nov 16 20:01:56 Cow orkers! Nov 16 20:01:57 Best deal out there. Nov 16 20:02:00 Sounds freaky. Nov 16 20:02:03 m00 Nov 16 20:02:10 LOL, USB milking machine on it :) Nov 16 20:02:19 If it goes under $200 on Buy, I'm getting a 2nd one. Nov 16 20:02:35 I suspect my roomie will want one once she sees it. Nov 16 20:02:49 Beat hell out of her old Palm. Nov 16 20:03:00 And doesn't cost that much more now. Nov 16 20:03:39 buy.com is awesome! Nov 16 20:03:42 Shame one couldn't get the associate discount and the google checkout one, that would make it 208... Nov 16 20:03:53 Ha Nov 16 20:04:25 I've been a newegg person mostly, but watching buy.com more closely after the HUGE difference in price for the n800 Nov 16 20:04:56 Then again, not sure I would really want to deal with google where $$$ were concerned :-/. Nov 16 20:04:58 GeneralAntilles: $228.99 Nov 16 20:05:04 GeneralAntilles: thats relatively not bad! Nov 16 20:05:14 Not shabby at all! Nov 16 20:05:20 K`zan: I like newegg.com myself Nov 16 20:05:26 It was down to $212 with the discount at one point. Nov 16 20:05:32 K`zan: this box is 100% newegg Nov 16 20:05:36 erstazi: They have done me well, I can't complain. Nov 16 20:05:46 This one too with the exception of the MB. Nov 16 20:05:52 minus the dual layer burner Nov 16 20:05:55 Ha Nov 16 20:06:17 * GeneralAntilles 's box is mostly Apple, plus a lot of newegg. :P Nov 16 20:06:21 I didn't feel like buying another and kids start thinking to burn everything in dual layer, thats expensive Nov 16 20:07:05 GeneralAntilles: you have my condolences :). I threw all my apple stuff in the dumpster about 5 years ago now. If they had OSX then they might have saved me :). Nov 16 20:07:10 K`zan: google checkout isn't too horrible, but if they price of the n800 drops, I will definitely get it Nov 16 20:07:37 the worse apple product I ever use was G3.. 200 of them Nov 16 20:07:37 Hummm, might be nice to have an array of n800s :-) Nov 16 20:07:50 Pfft Nov 16 20:07:56 hmm.. should the .deb .dsc and .changes files have execute permissions? Nov 16 20:07:56 I <3 mah Apple Nov 16 20:08:05 the G4's are awesome though Nov 16 20:08:05 I have only: -rw-r--r-- Nov 16 20:08:06 Still have my old Performa 400 from back in the day. Nov 16 20:08:07 Those little lollypop machines are cheap enough on ebay and could be useful... Nov 16 20:08:07 konttori: no Nov 16 20:08:38 The all in one in all the candyapple colors... Nov 16 20:08:44 Forget the name now. Nov 16 20:08:46 konttori: the .dsc and .changes are text files and the .deb is akin to a zip file Nov 16 20:08:46 konttori: are you having packaging problems? Nov 16 20:08:47 iMac Nov 16 20:08:53 That's it. Nov 16 20:08:55 yes Nov 16 20:08:56 Better off with a Mac Mini Nov 16 20:08:58 yeah. I am having. Nov 16 20:09:04 mac mini. Nov 16 20:09:05 Better off with a PC :-). Nov 16 20:09:08 the iMac G3 made me have nightmares Nov 16 20:09:15 Boloney. ;) Nov 16 20:09:38 konttori: since these tablets are debian-based.. you could refer to any distro that is debian based and how they package Nov 16 20:09:48 If I had all the $$$ I whizzed away on macs and mac stuff, I'd have a supercomputing cluster here now :) Nov 16 20:09:58 konttori did you follow these instructions (adapting for chinook of course) http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html Nov 16 20:10:16 I don't have debsign nor dput on osx Nov 16 20:10:49 I use scp to upload and do the .changes and .dsc files manually Nov 16 20:10:49 doh.. you could run ubuntu in vmware fusion just to upload stuff :) Nov 16 20:10:59 konttori: can't you get debsign and dput on osx? Nov 16 20:11:01 Yeah, been thinking about that Nov 16 20:11:09 I haven't been able to locate them Nov 16 20:11:12 konttori: my friend's even running GTK programs on his macbook Nov 16 20:11:12 I have mac mini and vmware/ubuntu works like a dream Nov 16 20:12:20 I really have wanted to not to have to start using a VM just to upload. Nov 16 20:13:11 yea it's a bit of an overkill Nov 16 20:13:28 maybe you could upload them from the device... Nov 16 20:14:04 Fraidy Cat just caught his first bird :-). How exciting... Nov 16 20:14:11 http://packages.debian.org/{dput,devscripts} Nov 16 20:14:16 Bird is OK Nov 16 20:14:45 devscripts is in the sdk repository Nov 16 20:14:47 Fraidy is a catch and releasr kinda boy :-). Nov 16 20:14:49 I'll try to see if I can dl dput to the device Nov 16 20:15:23 evening all... Nov 16 20:16:21 I just don't understand why the upload completes just nicely and that the repository adds: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/U/ Nov 16 20:16:37 the ukmp deb there, but makes is a dir instead on actually storing the file. Nov 16 20:17:04 if the file md5 would not be correct, could that be the explanation? Nov 16 20:17:26 what are some good bt gps units? I am looking for good suggestions because just grabbing one off a site isn't helpful Nov 16 20:18:00 i-blue 737/757 Nov 16 20:18:02 the structure is supposed to be something like //_.deb Nov 16 20:18:13 and debian package names are all lowercase Nov 16 20:20:19 konttori what's the name of the package and what's in your .dsc and .changes files? Nov 16 20:21:09 erstazi: Anything SiRF3 based; or that other chipset (was it MK?) Nov 16 20:21:18 <|R> MK yep Nov 16 20:21:21 http://pastebin.com/m6fca0eab Nov 16 20:21:28 <|R> MTK Nov 16 20:21:34 that's the one :) Nov 16 20:21:35 these are the dsc and changes files Nov 16 20:21:39 <|R> yep ;) Nov 16 20:22:02 konttori: they look broken :) Nov 16 20:22:09 really? Nov 16 20:22:13 oh. good. Nov 16 20:22:13 * |R waiting for an Holux M-1200 Nov 16 20:22:19 I'd go with MTK over SiRFIII these days. Nov 16 20:22:20 yea.. b0rk Nov 16 20:22:37 or hmm.. maybe I'm thinking debian/control Nov 16 20:22:53 I've never tried MTK - but heard good things. tbh bpth chipsets come up trumps. Nov 16 20:23:05 I think the changes should have the libs/optional type thingy there too.. of course something else than libs in this case Nov 16 20:23:41 I put the fields based on: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html Nov 16 20:24:01 did something create those files for you? Nov 16 20:24:19 Nope Nov 16 20:24:39 Source and Binary fields are not supposed to contain version numbers or .deb suffix afaik Nov 16 20:25:00 konttori: use dpkg-buildpackage, it generates files in right format Nov 16 20:25:02 and the binary should have the architecture there somewhere Nov 16 20:25:48 it has: Architecture: any Nov 16 20:25:59 the name of the deb should indicate the architectre Nov 16 20:26:23 is that required or just nice? Nov 16 20:26:37 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/c/cairomm/ Nov 16 20:26:41 MTK is a little less power hungry and a little cheaper. Nov 16 20:26:42 take a look at those Nov 16 20:26:59 hmmm Nov 16 20:27:20 plus the .changes file is somehow wrong Nov 16 20:27:42 I've never done them by hand.. always with dpkg-buildpackage Nov 16 20:27:45 ahh.. so, I rename it as _all then Nov 16 20:28:01 holdon a sec.. let's look for a nice .changes for you Nov 16 20:28:19 disq: still here? Nov 16 20:28:19 <_Monkey> here is a list: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned Nov 16 20:29:24 konttori http://pastebin.com/m2f2e18cc Nov 16 20:29:26 disq: Kagu not loading: Traceback (most recent call last): File "./kagu.py", line 25, in if remote.remote(sys.argv): sys.exit(0) File "/usr/lib/kagu/remote.py", line 15, in remote os.mkfifo(FIFO) #create fifo OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory Nov 16 20:29:45 konttori: see the files lines.. they have that 'graphics optional' part there too Nov 16 20:30:25 what does that mean? Nov 16 20:30:37 and are those in the dsc as well? Nov 16 20:30:45 (also, is dsc mandatory?) Nov 16 20:30:54 it's mandatory for the upload Nov 16 20:31:00 ahh Nov 16 20:31:04 dpkg-buildpackage creates the .dsc file automatically for you Nov 16 20:31:21 IIRC dput creates the changes, though I could be wrong Nov 16 20:31:35 here's the .dsc http://pastebin.com/mc4b202a Nov 16 20:31:44 yabbas: not running kagu as root, right? Nov 16 20:32:07 yabbas: i'm afk for a few, join #kagu Nov 16 20:32:32 konttori the 'graphics optional' is some sort of a category where your software belongs to.. this shows up in the application manager for example.. those categories are listed somewhere Nov 16 20:32:53 * yabbas joins kagu Nov 16 20:32:57 in your case it wouldn't be graphics ofcoz, but it could be 'optional' Nov 16 20:33:42 and those numbers in the Files: part are of course md5 sums Nov 16 20:38:43 libgpg error Nov 16 20:38:58 whats that mean? Nov 16 20:39:35 kaltsi: thanks for the graphics optional explanation. helps a lot. Nov 16 20:39:44 I just made new upload test. Nov 16 20:45:24 konttori the package name must be completely in lower case characters as required here: Nov 16 20:45:29 http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Package Nov 16 20:46:11 a good name would be: ukmp-1.70 Nov 16 20:46:26 thanks Nov 16 20:47:24 then the debian/changelog file has to have that there too.. it's really picky.. it would be best if you could use some tool to do the packaging :-/ Nov 16 20:47:53 is this more a python or a mac problem? Nov 16 20:49:55 This is more of a ME problem. Nov 16 20:50:02 :) Nov 16 20:50:39 Because I didn't do it the first time with buildpackage, I'm now stuck with having to make it happen this way. Nov 16 20:51:24 hi all Nov 16 20:51:44 yabbas? so your working now? Nov 16 20:59:25 maemo.org died? Nov 16 21:01:11 its back Nov 16 21:01:22 RIP maemo.org Nov 16 21:01:32 Lazarus woke up Nov 16 21:01:44 he had a little help Nov 16 21:01:46 :) Nov 16 21:02:51 and gone again Nov 16 21:03:14 game over maan, game over! Nov 16 21:03:17 penguinbait did you flashed your N800 to OS 2008? Nov 16 21:03:24 yes Nov 16 21:04:06 is in xterm, when you want to use the thumbkeyboard, as text "home.html" ? Nov 16 21:04:28 what do you mean? Nov 16 21:04:39 When i use xterm Nov 16 21:04:50 and press this button in the middle of the Dpad Nov 16 21:05:03 and get the virtual thumbkeyboard Nov 16 21:05:20 i have this as default value :-( Nov 16 21:05:25 home.html Nov 16 21:05:37 home.html Nov 16 21:05:41 yes Nov 16 21:05:50 I do not understand, I am starting xterm now Nov 16 21:05:51 same at your N800? Nov 16 21:05:57 ok Nov 16 21:06:10 Ar-ras, do you have that on your clipboard? Nov 16 21:06:18 or typed into the term? Nov 16 21:06:33 no problem here Nov 16 21:06:36 not in my clipboard Nov 16 21:06:57 oh now its gone Nov 16 21:07:01 I wanna update to OS2008 but I'm a bit weary Nov 16 21:07:22 ok then it is fine ;) Nov 16 21:07:27 is there a way to boot it from an external disk rather than flashing? Nov 16 21:07:30 sucked last time ;) Nov 16 21:08:14 lophyte, if you want to load 2008 to play thats ok, but if you want to use it for daily use I would wait for official release Nov 16 21:08:33 On 770 you could boot from USB, not sure on n800 Nov 16 21:08:35 penguinbait has right Nov 16 21:08:50 ah Nov 16 21:09:04 I'll wait then Nov 16 21:09:11 its not too long to wait, December is next month Nov 16 21:09:13 not enough applications for satisfiing entertainment Nov 16 21:09:34 maemo.org is dead again ? Nov 16 21:09:37 save yourself the headache, besides more apps should be ready by the time official release Nov 16 21:09:43 cool Nov 16 21:10:11 e.g. skype... Nov 16 21:10:30 Is skype working on n800 2008OS Nov 16 21:10:41 I saw it listed in app manager but did not try Nov 16 21:10:59 penguinbait do you if they add webcam support into skype? Nov 16 21:11:01 doesn't work Nov 16 21:11:20 dont know, I thought it was advertised, but not sure Nov 16 21:11:45 hope dies at least Nov 16 21:11:50 :D Nov 16 21:12:10 hope does or hope dies? Nov 16 21:13:09 who knows... Nov 16 21:19:16 hehe Nov 16 21:26:13 * lophyte ponders buying a 4GB mmc Nov 16 21:26:20 penguinbait Iphone is better than Maemo :O Nov 16 21:26:21 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3MfQIswl3k Nov 16 21:26:31 ew Nov 16 21:26:32 iphone Nov 16 21:26:33 <_Monkey> iphone is a flashy interface made to suck money out of people on outdated technology and walled gardens Nov 16 21:26:34 * lophyte gags Nov 16 21:26:45 good call monkey Nov 16 21:26:56 lophyte look the youtube video :O Nov 16 21:27:04 lock me in baby, lock me harder Nov 16 21:27:21 * lophyte attaches padlocks around suihkulokki's ankles Nov 16 21:27:23 iphone is a phone and does not run KDE Nov 16 21:27:32 so not better :) Nov 16 21:27:35 haha Nov 16 21:28:30 <|R> ahah Nov 16 21:28:50 btw, the guys out there running os2008 have tried skype and know if it comes with video support ? Nov 16 21:28:51 yeah that's one of the reasons i got the n800 Nov 16 21:28:53 its linux :) Nov 16 21:29:05 I was thinking about getting an Asus EEE but I wanted something small Nov 16 21:29:22 I can fill my n800 up with beer also Nov 16 21:29:22 iPhone is NOT an network oriented device... Nov 16 21:29:40 but then I have to wait for it to dry out Nov 16 21:29:49 penguinbait write a program :D Nov 16 21:29:50 * lophyte doesn't like any product made my Apple that starts with 'i' Nov 16 21:30:11 so macbook is ok? :) Nov 16 21:30:16 they're not bad Nov 16 21:30:17 I like the Apple IIGS. Nov 16 21:30:21 iMac's are pretty hot. ;) Nov 16 21:30:23 Well I like Guiness, so that would just be a black screen Nov 16 21:30:25 *-' Nov 16 21:30:26 I still wouldn't buy one tough Nov 16 21:30:38 mine fills up everytime I turn it off, or lock it Nov 16 21:31:22 yellow beer looks like carbonated piss Nov 16 21:31:32 Is this a common issue with qemu? http://pastie.caboo.se/118941 These tools work fine on x86, compiling and running them in sbox give me these errors. (I dont have access to a real device right now) Nov 16 21:32:18 josephus: yep normal.. qemu is not for running apps Nov 16 21:32:39 it's just for building them Nov 16 21:32:39 josephus: qemu tries to emulate arm cpu, and will never be perfect in it.. Nov 16 21:35:02 maemo.org is still down!! Nov 16 21:35:30 no its not, I had https in there :( Nov 16 21:35:32 it's not the most stable website I've used Nov 16 21:35:40 its up Nov 16 21:35:54 not for me Nov 16 21:36:06 and gone Nov 16 21:36:08 hehe Nov 16 21:36:37 Its Friday and my bosss is gone, I am outa here Nov 16 21:36:39 see ya Nov 16 21:37:35 bye Nov 16 21:46:28 dum deee daaa... Nov 16 21:49:40 how come the *.maemo.org site has some problems all the time? It has been like this from the day one. Nov 16 21:52:40 kulve: dunno... but lately it looks even worse than before... Nov 16 21:52:43 who knows... Nov 16 21:53:52 hi maddler :) Nov 16 21:54:41 oila` Andy80! :D Nov 16 21:54:51 Andy80: just got my N810 here! Nov 16 21:55:33 bah Nov 16 21:55:41 * lophyte wishes he would've waited for an N810 Nov 16 21:55:43 hehehe... just joking... :) Nov 16 21:55:43 lucky you. Nov 16 21:55:45 maddler: whhhaaaattt??? Nov 16 21:55:51 Andy80: :DDDDDDD Nov 16 21:55:52 ah ;) Nov 16 21:55:56 hehehehe Nov 16 21:58:34 one quick question: has maemo.org any problem? for example... if you try to visit a profile, an error occurs: http://maemo.org/profile/view/andy80 Nov 16 21:58:48 quick answer: yes Nov 16 21:58:50 Andy80: yep... Nov 16 21:58:53 hehe Nov 16 21:59:13 <|R> Andy80 : it is _very_ buggy ;) Nov 16 21:59:21 They worked yesterday. Nov 16 21:59:22 oh... Andy80... shame on you!!! you have not a MaemoPeople blog!!! Nov 16 21:59:23 :DDD Nov 16 22:00:33 eheh Nov 16 22:00:37 ok, I hope they fix it ;) Nov 16 22:00:54 perhaps they are moving to midgard on an N810! :D Nov 16 22:02:23 I've got a n800, and I'm currently connected to wirelessly via wep. I don't know the wep key and I'd like to retrieve that information. Is that stored in plain text in a file somewhere? Nov 16 22:03:14 In the gconf data, yes. Nov 16 22:03:40 gconf-editor or gconftool-2 are your friend. Nov 16 22:03:47 thanks, derf :) Nov 16 22:04:17 Yer welcome. Nov 16 22:04:56 * maddler drinks some cherry Nov 16 22:05:17 ************* It's HERE ************** :-)! Nov 16 22:07:46 K`zan: Nov 16 22:07:50 ? Nov 16 22:08:09 DON'T tell us N810 is there... Nov 16 22:08:20 someone could kill you! :D Nov 16 22:10:51 Wow, Nokia has sure changed their online store around. Nov 16 22:10:55 n800 just arrived, reading the box :-). Nov 16 22:10:59 I can't use the website at all. Nov 16 22:11:52 Bah, I want my N810s already Nov 16 22:12:58 eheh Nov 16 22:13:02 I want mine too :) Nov 16 22:13:04 pfff :P Nov 16 22:14:00 K`zan: hehehe... yep... same on .it shop :D Nov 16 22:14:06 derf: I just installed and am looking for the wep info in gconf-tool, Do you happen to know the path in gconf off the top of your head? Nov 16 22:14:16 an mine as well!!! :) Nov 16 22:14:39 Chris12349: Not at all. Nov 16 22:14:49 derf: :) it's google time Nov 16 22:14:52 Putting the 4G card internal... Nov 16 22:15:06 * Jaffa has http://direct.nokia.com/Product.aspx?model=n810 bookmarked, but it forwards to the N800 page in the UK store (nearly ordered another N800 this morning, before noticing) Nov 16 22:15:41 For me that page "cannot be displayed". Nov 16 22:16:01 Hmm, seems to be dependent on whether or not you've got the cookie already set. Nov 16 22:16:04 Anyway, bed time. Nov 16 22:20:15 The WLAN number inside the back is the MAC Id Right? Nov 16 22:20:26 yes. Nov 16 22:20:33 mac address Nov 16 22:22:39 bill20r3: THanks, got to put that in the MAC accept table on the WAP. Nov 16 22:25:35 whats the best client for msn on it2007 Nov 16 22:26:34 heh. n810 update works on n800 is mentioned now even on the geekbrief Nov 16 22:26:35 YHYHIAMHERE: pidgin... Nov 16 22:26:36 <_Monkey> pidgin is http://pidgin.garage.maemo.org/ Nov 16 22:26:50 konttori: is everything working fine? Nov 16 22:27:06 I heard of some (minor) problems... Nov 16 22:27:14 Jabber transports, YHYHIAMHERE. Nov 16 22:27:32 since the last changes, I haven't been able to get anything accepted to the repository Nov 16 22:27:50 and what the best way of installing without downloading the repositary Nov 16 22:28:19 Jabber transports, YHYHIAMHERE Nov 16 22:28:46 YHYHIAMHERE: download all the debs needed... kinda hard IMHO... Nov 16 22:28:58 L0cutusM: ciao! Nov 16 22:29:01 :D Nov 16 22:29:02 lol Nov 16 22:29:17 adding repos dont works Nov 16 22:29:29 but adding manually Nov 16 22:29:29 on OS2008/N800? Nov 16 22:29:30 work Nov 16 22:29:35 yes Nov 16 22:29:38 hehe... Nov 16 22:29:40 Waiting for battery to charge, hopefully it tells you when it is done... Nov 16 22:29:51 It does. Nov 16 22:29:52 Just go ahead and use it, K`zan. Nov 16 22:30:08 derf: Thanks! Nov 16 22:30:15 so maemo.org is down.. Nov 16 22:30:15 I'll keep using OS007 on N800 until 2nd OS2008 release... Nov 16 22:30:17 cool thats is long i suppose trial and error Nov 16 22:30:22 GeneralAntilles: As soon as I have a clue as to what to do, reading the pamplet. Nov 16 22:30:37 Turn it on and hop in! :P Nov 16 22:30:43 No manual, nor a CD with it... Nov 16 22:30:51 You don't need a stinking manual. Nov 16 22:30:52 WAP is presumably ready :-) Nov 16 22:30:54 Turn it on! Nov 16 22:31:00 Manual's on the device. Nov 16 22:31:11 LOL, I am one of those nuts that actually RTFMs :-). Nov 16 22:31:14 Aha Nov 16 22:31:26 Shoveling packaging out of the way now :-)). Nov 16 22:31:27 ...can anyone else get to www.maemo.org? Nov 16 22:31:34 im returning a squid proxy error. Nov 16 22:31:38 rhys: website has problems Nov 16 22:31:38 Looks like there is a screen protector on it already! Nov 16 22:31:43 the 3,5 cinch jack of the N800 has microfone support too? Nov 16 22:31:55 yes Nov 16 22:32:02 wait Nov 16 22:32:03 what? Nov 16 22:32:10 yes. Nov 16 22:32:13 theres a microphone built in..... Nov 16 22:32:24 i dont need the built in Nov 16 22:32:27 i need external Nov 16 22:32:28 :) Nov 16 22:32:28 Just pull off the tab and leave the protector on, K`zan. Nov 16 22:32:39 so if i go get the Mic out of my closet, plug it into my nokia, i can use maemo recorder? Nov 16 22:32:43 with the external? Nov 16 22:33:24 It's a 3-channel port Nov 16 22:33:33 So, you should be able to. Nov 16 22:33:38 GeneralAntilles: Wilco Sir. I also see the point of getting another battery - not sure how easy it would be to find another coaxial like is on the charger.... Nov 16 22:33:54 because i think about building a IR diode to the audio jack, and then write a program like lirc and then you have remote control on N800 Nov 16 22:33:56 GeneralAntilles: does that mean like a combination mic/headphone would work with it? Nov 16 22:34:17 Yeah, it should. Nov 16 22:34:35 ?!! why does noone tell me these things Nov 16 22:34:35 K`zan, you might be able to find one of the other, larger Nokia barrel chargers. Nov 16 22:34:37 best irc client Nov 16 22:34:40 just adapt it. Nov 16 22:34:44 xchat Nov 16 22:34:44 for it800 Nov 16 22:34:47 Skyhuser's port Nov 16 22:34:59 weres the best place to get that Nov 16 22:35:35 Google Nov 16 22:35:35 <_Monkey> Google is my friend and you should make it your friend too Nov 16 22:35:39 where you get the best software for the best device with the best internet connection Nov 16 22:35:43 YHYHIAMHERE, Jabber Transports for MSN: http://www.jablet.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9&sid=a0fd91d43ca34d19692cf38bd397b2cd Nov 16 22:35:50 GeneralAntilles: i just plugged in my Mic to the headphone jac Nov 16 22:35:52 it doesnt work Nov 16 22:35:58 with maemorecoder anyway Nov 16 22:36:04 rhys i think you need adapter Nov 16 22:36:12 Touch screen is a DREAM compared to that Zire! Nov 16 22:36:13 cool thanks man Nov 16 22:36:36 ooo people are hot heads here init Nov 16 22:36:37 ciao maddler ! Nov 16 22:37:33 Not finding my phone, but that is OK. Nov 16 22:37:46 Discoverable on? Nov 16 22:37:51 Was... Nov 16 22:37:56 Checking Nov 16 22:39:16 Ok, had to get it to do it again... Nov 16 22:39:23 damn backlight keeps going off... Nov 16 22:39:37 You can increase the timeout when you get through the wizards. Nov 16 22:39:49 thanks guys Nov 16 22:40:26 OK, didn't want to set up the phone now, at the main screen.... Wheee!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nov 16 22:40:40 Lets see if I can connect through my WAP... Nov 16 22:42:11 coooool, I just successfully installed os 2008 on my n800, it is WAY better! Nov 16 22:42:38 you tube actually works, its a little poky, but it is fairly smooth after the whole video loads Nov 16 22:43:05 new OS on Iphone :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5tNvPQB4qE&feature=related Nov 16 22:45:51 wow great , im using an htc tytn as wifi AP for my n800 over PAN/hsdpa Nov 16 22:46:33 <||cw> um Nov 16 22:46:46 <||cw> PAN is networking, wifi is networking, which are you using? Nov 16 22:47:36 <||cw> and hsdpa is more networking, though irrelevant on the n800 side Nov 16 22:48:45 ||cw, htc tytn is an WM6 phone Nov 16 22:48:51 <||cw> i know that Nov 16 22:49:06 capable only of pan connection Nov 16 22:49:08 <||cw> but you are eather using wifi or pan Nov 16 22:49:19 <||cw> pan being bluetooth Nov 16 22:49:44 <||cw> wifi ap does about the same thing as a bt pan Nov 16 22:49:50 i have found on itt forum a thread on how to make tynt work as AP Nov 16 22:50:04 <||cw> ok, but that's not pan Nov 16 22:50:11 using wifi over pan Nov 16 22:50:17 <||cw> pan is bt networking, ap is wifi Nov 16 22:50:20 <||cw> no Nov 16 22:50:30 <||cw> you don't understand. wifi is one thing, bt is another Nov 16 22:50:37 yes i know Nov 16 22:50:38 <||cw> pan is for bt, ap is for wifi Nov 16 22:50:43 <||cw> do not mix the terms Nov 16 22:51:03 Well, wireless connection has some problem, working.... Nov 16 22:52:03 Must have screwed up entering the WEP key... Nov 16 22:52:29 You're not using WPA2? :P> Nov 16 22:53:11 <||cw> L0cutusM: if you have software that allow the htc to act has a 802.11 access point, then you have wifi ap, if you are using BT pan and having the HTC route/NAT then you have PAN and a router Nov 16 22:53:12 Not here, unable to get it working with the laptop card under linux... Nov 16 22:53:21 ||cw, http://mobile.msmobiles.com/news.php?id=6740 Nov 16 22:53:47 Says it is connected, but xfer after all this time is up to 1.46kb... Nov 16 22:54:18 unusable... Nov 16 22:55:42 3 minutes 20 sec and 2.5kb received and it still won't connect to the local web site. Something wrong someplace. Nov 16 22:55:47 <||cw> L0cutusM: I see your confusion now, that is an interesting hack. what that does is enable the "supported" PAN connection sharing, then hack the registry to change the device used to the wifi device. it is indeed wifi sharing (though not an AP because it is ad-hoc) and PAN is not being used at all after step 3 Nov 16 22:56:36 yes ||cw Nov 16 22:56:49 only wifi Nov 16 22:56:51 <||cw> ok, so don't say PAN, because you aren't using that Nov 16 22:56:59 ics Nov 16 22:57:03 over wifi Nov 16 22:57:31 still very interesting Nov 16 22:57:50 <||cw> it is Nov 16 22:57:53 i can connect more distance than bt Nov 16 22:58:01 hrm Nov 16 22:58:01 2 minutes and 1.1kb - going to see about editing the connection. Nov 16 22:58:21 could someone give a listing of http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_770.php Nov 16 22:58:22 does exist ad-hoc signal repeater ? Nov 16 23:00:10 why not just buy an access point Nov 16 23:01:24 gla55_, i need to extend my tytn wifi signal Nov 16 23:01:47 i have not a dsl connection, only umts/hsdpa Nov 16 23:02:06 why not buy a powerful access point, connect your tytn to it instead of using crappy ad hoc and trying to find an obscure ad hoc extender Nov 16 23:03:09 lol Nov 16 23:03:16 ad-hoc signal repeater Nov 16 23:03:18 <|R> mesh network for the people! ;) Nov 16 23:03:26 such a stupid device muaha Nov 16 23:04:19 if you need a device for organizing wireless networks then ad-hoc is kind of senseless Nov 16 23:04:20 :D Nov 16 23:05:26 tytn is able only to act as ad-hoc Nov 16 23:06:02 so is possible to use an ap ? Nov 16 23:06:37 internet <>tytn(ad-hoc)<>AP<>other wifi devices Nov 16 23:06:41 ? Nov 16 23:06:55 ? Nov 16 23:07:26 you want to share your GPRS? Nov 16 23:07:57 yes Nov 16 23:08:03 if it's possible with adhoc it should be possible with normal ap based networks Nov 16 23:08:35 i think it would be possible with OpenWrt Nov 16 23:08:52 but I find it a little bit senseless... Nov 16 23:08:56 ..his phone already does the sharing, no? Nov 16 23:09:02 mmh Nov 16 23:09:04 thats not an issue Nov 16 23:09:07 you are right Nov 16 23:09:11 just getting wider coverage Nov 16 23:09:12 setting wlan Nov 16 23:09:29 5.8 kb in 8 minutes, sigh... No go wireless wise. Nov 16 23:09:30 and then his phone as proxy Nov 16 23:09:32 which he should get by using ap based instead of ad-hoc Nov 16 23:10:36 so an AP can do the job ? Nov 16 23:10:55 we dont garantee Nov 16 23:11:06 gh Nov 16 23:11:15 because your htc is based on WM06 Nov 16 23:11:18 and WM06 sucks Nov 16 23:11:30 yeah i know :) Nov 16 23:11:47 but not so bad after all Nov 16 23:13:08 K`zan, making progress? :D Nov 16 23:14:03 i need an app like cash organizer on n800... Nov 16 23:14:36 L0cutusM go away Nov 16 23:15:03 :( Nov 16 23:15:28 it's like the guy who asked for WM06 for N800 Nov 16 23:16:51 buahaha Nov 16 23:17:14 if there is a palmos emulator... Nov 16 23:17:28 why not a wm6 emulator than ? :) Nov 16 23:17:49 Ugh Nov 16 23:17:56 Why not emulate everything Nov 16 23:18:01 then we wouldn't even NEED a platform! Nov 16 23:18:15 Well I can ping the n800 and traceroute it but still no web page will load on the n800... Nov 16 23:18:47 Weirdness Nov 16 23:19:19 Sigh, the old WG511 card on the Solo works blazingly fast. Nov 16 23:19:32 Perhaps try setting a static IP for it, about out of ideas. Nov 16 23:19:41 No open networks around here. Nov 16 23:19:51 You could try temporarily opening yours. Nov 16 23:20:16 Could, but I am not sure I want to screw up all the other devices for this one... Nov 16 23:20:30 Well, for testing. Nov 16 23:20:53 MAC is correct and WEP key is correct and still 400 bytes in 2 minutes. Nov 16 23:21:04 Try a different channel? Nov 16 23:21:14 Power saving settings could be weird Nov 16 23:21:17 No one else on that channel but me... Nov 16 23:21:30 check it under connection settings in control panel Nov 16 23:21:52 * GeneralAntilles 's NITs have always worked perfectly with his routers, so he has no experience with wireless troubleshooting. :( Nov 16 23:23:07 Shows a full signal (should, 5' from device) and a lock with a single keyhole (all the rest have 3, wonder what that means)... Nov 16 23:23:19 WPA2 Nov 16 23:23:30 WEP is so stupidly insecure. :P Nov 16 23:23:37 Then I shitcan everything else using the WAP... Nov 16 23:23:46 Hehe Nov 16 23:23:52 What router? Nov 16 23:24:03 Yes, it is, but the other cards just don't work under linux and I am not running wincrap anything :-) Nov 16 23:24:05 GeneralAntilles use WEP2 it is safer then WPA and WEP Nov 16 23:24:32 NOT ;) Nov 16 23:24:37 Cisco / Linksys WRT54GX Nov 16 23:24:53 Some asshole wants in, they are going to get in... Nov 16 23:25:01 Huh Nov 16 23:25:04 Esp with the local TV stations showing everyone how easy it is... Nov 16 23:25:13 Maybe something with Speedbooster? Nov 16 23:25:32 Dunno, could dig the old Belkin out of the closet and try that. Nov 16 23:25:39 So much for this day, sigh. Nov 16 23:25:52 Ha Nov 16 23:26:02 It's only 6:30PM :P Nov 16 23:26:25 Only 1526 here :-) Nov 16 23:26:44 About to toss it back in the box... Nov 16 23:27:04 The N800? Nov 16 23:27:05 <_Monkey> the n800 is much better than a desk phone :-) Nov 16 23:27:06 I'm sure this has been covered, but it has to be faster use USB or a card reader Nov 16 23:27:19 or is this real time? Nov 16 23:27:20 sorry Nov 16 23:28:02 Can you access an http server on a local box? Nov 16 23:28:08 How are the speeds there? Nov 16 23:28:28 Would be nice to be able to run ifconfig and netstat... Nov 16 23:28:59 You could try a restart if you haven't. Nov 16 23:29:45 K`zan, /sbin/ifconfig Nov 16 23:29:51 or try reconnecting Nov 16 23:29:58 and you can build your own netstat, the one in busybox is pretty useless Nov 16 23:30:28 -> sleep Nov 16 23:30:38 czr is there a terminal in here someplace, still looking... Nov 16 23:31:00 K`zan, what are you using? Nov 16 23:31:04 2007 Nov 16 23:31:08 It's got to be installed Nov 16 23:31:11 Hell, flash 2008 Nov 16 23:31:26 hmm. I think one needed to install it separately on the 2007 Nov 16 23:31:33 Yeah, it's not bundled with 2007 Nov 16 23:31:37 K`zan, look for osso-terminal in the application manager and install it Nov 16 23:31:43 No interweb Nov 16 23:31:52 or was it osso-xterminal. or interweb. as long as you take the 2007 version Nov 16 23:31:58 interblag Nov 16 23:32:07 * rafl has problems with microb and youtube. Nov 16 23:32:15 Just go ahead and do this, K`zan. :P http://www.cnet.com/surveillance-state/8301-13739_1-9816300-46.html Nov 16 23:32:19 anyhow, sleeps -> Nov 16 23:32:23 the flash player loads and plays the first few seconds and then just disapears. Nov 16 23:32:30 anyone else experiencing this? Nov 16 23:32:31 GeneralAntilles: Can't get out on the device... Nov 16 23:32:38 Right Nov 16 23:32:47 Download the OS2008 image on your computer and flash it. Nov 16 23:33:26 GeneralAntilles: Then none of the apps I want will run for now LOL! Nov 16 23:33:41 Like? Nov 16 23:34:02 Plus, that situation is going to change very rapidly over the next two weeks. Nov 16 23:34:04 xchat, maemo mapper and a few others... Nov 16 23:34:54 how is mapper coming along? i look today but not very thorough Nov 16 23:35:02 No word yet. Nov 16 23:35:29 Figured I format the SD cards, can't find that yet LOL! Nov 16 23:35:34 File Manager Nov 16 23:35:35 <_Monkey> File Manager is a lot faster in scanning directories.. Nov 16 23:35:36 Menu Nov 16 23:35:45 Did get the screen from going dark every 10 seconds though! Nov 16 23:36:09 well, no hurry for me. just got the 800 a week ago and managed to get chinook running on the internal card Nov 16 23:36:28 gps receiver works great, the map app is kinda lame Nov 16 23:36:42 It's not great. Nov 16 23:36:51 ol_schoola: what gps receiver did you get? the nokia navigation kit thingy or something else? Nov 16 23:36:54 I think offline navigation and lots of POIs are the selling points. Nov 16 23:37:18 Formatted! Nov 16 23:37:31 i thought that going to Find: and typing just a streetno and street name together on the street field produced interesting results Nov 16 23:37:34 Keeps connecting to the WAP, but nothing happens with it. Nov 16 23:37:56 Try a restart Nov 16 23:37:59 or try the Belkin. Nov 16 23:38:20 It doesn't like some settings on your router. Nov 16 23:38:24 Does it have an IP? Nov 16 23:38:28 it would find the nearest street of that name, lookup the number and then truncate and move the number to its field Nov 16 23:39:02 I'll still be using maemo mapper. :) Nov 16 23:39:12 our garmins and magellan don't do that Nov 16 23:39:27 Hopefully it'll be fixed by release. Nov 16 23:39:33 You might try submitting a bug. Nov 16 23:39:45 GeneralAntilles, K`zan: i am working on maemo-mapper right now, it seems to work with some minor problems, i'll try to fix them an send a patch to gnuite Nov 16 23:39:53 heck, i haven't even had a chance to use mapper with the gps yet. it arrived yesterday when my futzing about killed the 2007 install Nov 16 23:41:14 About 3/4 charged now :) Nov 16 23:41:33 anyone interested in testing maemo-mapper? see: http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/maemo-mapper/ Nov 16 23:41:37 Gonna drag the belkin out and see it this thing works with that. Nov 16 23:42:20 good night ! Nov 16 23:44:03 Haha Nov 16 23:44:09 Prefs dialog makes me laugh, chelli. Nov 16 23:44:22 yes, this is one of the issues :) Nov 16 23:44:48 the other one is that the sand-clock is now shown as it should :) Nov 16 23:45:29 I should probably put my SD card back in. :D Nov 16 23:45:34 chelli, I'll test it if you compile it for OS2008 :P Nov 16 23:45:49 oh wait, that is for OS2008 Nov 16 23:45:53 Haha Nov 16 23:46:08 TPC: yes, it is :) Nov 16 23:46:18 sure, I'll test it right away Nov 16 23:46:21 Lot faster. Nov 16 23:47:44 Seriously Nov 16 23:47:46 A LOT faster. Nov 16 23:49:06 now to figure out how to restore my old settings from before I reflashed Nov 16 23:49:28 backup. ;) Nov 16 23:49:41 I did a backup Nov 16 23:49:42 Nope, it doesn't work with the belkin either - back in the box it goes, sigh... Nov 16 23:49:50 but I only want to restore maemo mapper settings, not all settings Nov 16 23:49:57 that didn't work for me for 2007 -> 2008. it lost my rss feeds, for example. Nov 16 23:50:03 hey anybody have and idea why ubuntu asks for CD everytime I run apt-get Nov 16 23:50:17 penguinbait, comment out the cd line in sources.list Nov 16 23:50:24 penguinbait: because you have a cdrom:// entry in /etc/apt/sources.list or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* Nov 16 23:50:36 ok, i guess i will send the patch to the maemo-mapper dev's, it work ok for the moment, they can fix the remaining issues :) Nov 16 23:50:52 Check your power saving settings, K`zan. Nov 16 23:50:58 Can you actually confirm that it got an IP? Nov 16 23:51:03 Open up connection manager. Nov 16 23:51:36 thank you :) Nov 16 23:51:39 Manage maps crashes it, chelli. Nov 16 23:51:45 it was pissing me off Nov 16 23:52:05 hmm Nov 16 23:52:08 Not a big ubuntu or deb fan, I was always a redhat guy Nov 16 23:52:16 GeneralAntilles: Maybe not on this one - before I always use a static IP, checking. Did on the Linksys though. Nov 16 23:52:29 Check the power savings, too. Nov 16 23:52:31 Trying to find those saved connections to delete them Nov 16 23:52:38 It might be set to 10mw Nov 16 23:52:39 Lemme find those first. Nov 16 23:52:43 GeneralAntilles: ok, i'll investigate this before sending the patch :) Nov 16 23:52:53 Goto lat/long is direct to crash, too. Nov 16 23:53:17 as i said, it's not perfect yet :) Nov 16 23:53:29 Of course. :P Nov 16 23:53:32 I'm "testing" :P Nov 16 23:54:01 Where are the power settings ?!? Nov 16 23:54:13 Under the connection prefs Nov 16 23:54:16 for a saved connection Nov 16 23:55:16 LOL, where are the connection prefs, nothing in control panel - yet... Nov 16 23:55:19 Connection Manager: App menu -> Tools -> Connectivity settings... Nov 16 23:55:28 -> Connections Nov 16 23:55:35 Pick the saved connection Nov 16 23:55:40 Then -> Edit Nov 16 23:55:47 Don't have connectivity... Nov 16 23:55:54 Next -> Next Nov 16 23:56:00 It's a separate application Nov 16 23:56:03 Connection Manager Nov 16 23:56:18 In the menu of that app Nov 16 23:56:19 app manager, backup / restore / control panel / connection manager / teach handwiring... Nov 16 23:56:22 ah Nov 16 23:56:45 Under Tools or Utilities Nov 16 23:56:47 Don't recall Nov 16 23:57:07 Did you test local network transfers? Nov 16 23:57:11 Or just internet? Nov 16 23:57:18 WLAN idle times unlimnited... Nov 16 23:57:34 Other Nov 16 23:57:40 100mw Nov 16 23:57:42 Doesn't access LAN either, have a web server on the lan... Nov 16 23:57:51 Try connecting to the webserver. Nov 16 23:57:56 I am looking for some input on optimizing KDE, currently I do not do anything but run configure, make, make install, or whatever, I have never added any CPU flags, recently lardman mentioned "-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp". My question is when I look in Kinfocenter in KDE, it shows processor features "swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java" Could any of the features be usefull , Please forgive my Nov 16 23:58:06 missing libgdm3. what's the quickest way to pick that up? i haven't had enough time to get all the repos straight, yet Nov 16 23:58:19 Nothing with power levels in it that I can find... Nov 16 23:58:39 Advanced? Nov 16 23:58:43 Did you hit that button? Nov 16 23:59:01 Ha Nov 16 23:59:04 Argh, no advanced button in any of this Nov 16 23:59:08 let me open Connection Manager back up Nov 16 23:59:20 You didn't follow my steps. :P Nov 16 23:59:33 Tools -> Connectivity -> _Connections Nov 17 00:00:13 Then the saved connection for your network Nov 17 00:00:16 Edit Nov 17 00:00:24 next, next Nov 17 00:00:26 Advanced Nov 17 00:00:28 Other tab. Nov 17 00:00:28 No advanced - pick a connection and you have: Connection name, type and ... Nov 17 00:00:29 AH Nov 17 00:00:38 GeneralAntilles: i guess i know where the problem is in the code, but right now i do not know how to fix it, i'll read some porting docs :) Nov 17 00:01:07 LOL, finally - 100mW Nov 17 00:01:21 Good Nov 17 00:01:29 Now, MAYBE, try turning power saving off. Nov 17 00:01:44 Going to try setting up the connection manually. Nov 17 00:01:47 Test that local http server, too, though. Nov 17 00:02:20 Only choices there are 10mW and 100mW,,, Nov 17 00:02:43 is mplayer working in 2008? Nov 17 00:03:51 100mw is what you want Nov 17 00:03:53 No, penguinbait. Nov 17 00:03:58 It has to be ported Nov 17 00:03:59 cat /etc/resolv.conf Nov 17 00:04:01 ww Nov 17 00:04:03 Well, there IS a port Nov 17 00:04:06 argh Nov 17 00:04:07 but it's not optimized Nov 17 00:04:15 ic Nov 17 00:04:16 stupid gconf won't let me restore my old maemo mapper settings Nov 17 00:04:17 and is, therefor, completely useless compared to the built-in media player Nov 17 00:04:24 (which works quite wonderfully for me) Nov 17 00:04:50 I am using smplayer in KDE, which is just a frontend to mplayer Nov 17 00:04:58 so I guess I wait :( Nov 17 00:05:04 GeneralAntilles: you mean that the wifi is more powerfull now? Nov 17 00:05:05 I am sure it wont be long :) Nov 17 00:05:19 Uh, no, it's always been 100mw Nov 17 00:05:22 mplayer has seeking problems in OS2008 Nov 17 00:05:25 I just stabbing in the dark. ;) Nov 17 00:05:26 when playing movies Nov 17 00:05:32 otherwise it seems to work fine to me Nov 17 00:05:40 altought I use it for music mostly :P Nov 17 00:05:45 I was getting nasty tearing. Nov 17 00:06:04 GeneralAntilles: always been 100mw but it was set to 10, right? Nov 17 00:06:06 I use Juk Nov 17 00:06:20 Yeah! Setting a static IP (etc.) it works now! Nov 17 00:06:27 Well, there you go. Nov 17 00:06:35 GeneralAntilles: Thanks for your help and especially your patience :-)! Nov 17 00:06:40 Pfft Nov 17 00:06:43 Patience Nov 17 00:06:50 It's the least I can do after what I make others put up with. ;) Nov 17 00:06:53 But, sure. :) Nov 17 00:07:08 No Sir, It is hard somethings with newbies who are dense, APPRECIATE your efforts *MUCH*! Nov 17 00:07:14 :-) Nov 17 00:07:18 I am wondering wy juk can find all my music is seconds, and I dont know what the heck metalayer-crawler Nov 17 00:07:22 is doing Nov 17 00:07:24 Now I have a headcomputer too LOL Nov 17 00:07:46 Looking for women Nov 17 00:07:50 and failing miserably. Nov 17 00:08:00 metalayer-crawler is very lonely. Nov 17 00:08:32 lonely??? Nov 17 00:08:35 LOL, dating these days would scare the hell out of me. As a very good friend once told me - there is no piece of ass worth dying for "... Nov 17 00:08:56 So, K`zan, get the repos, install becomeroot and openssh, and enable swap on the internal card in the control panel. Nov 17 00:09:08 Then hack up /etc/mce/mce.ini for soft poweroff Nov 17 00:09:38 Yes, lonely, penguinbait, it spends all its time looking for companionship on your SD cards and finding none. ;) Nov 17 00:10:39 Why not just have a button that says search, press it after you add some music Nov 17 00:10:54 seems crazy to me Nov 17 00:11:14 maybe we can write a script to keep it company Nov 17 00:11:27 Meh, that's a lot of work. Nov 17 00:12:19 I am looking for some input on optimizing KDE, currently I do not do anything but run configure, make, make install, or whatever, I have never added any CPU flags, recently lardman mentioned "-mfpu=vfp -mfloat-abi=softfp". My question is when I look in Kinfocenter in KDE, it shows processor features "swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp java" Could any of the features be usefull , Please forgive my Nov 17 00:12:47 I still need some help with this, where are all the brains> Nov 17 00:14:01 Try #kde? Nov 17 00:14:17 GeneralAntilles: can you check http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/maemo-mapper/maemo-mapper_2.0.4.2_armel.deb if it still crashes? (at least manage maps does not crash here anymore) :) Nov 17 00:14:24 Sure. Nov 17 00:14:25 One sec Nov 17 00:14:27 can do Nov 17 00:14:29 I did, I am wondering more about the CPU flags on the n800 Nov 17 00:14:46 Try compiling both ways and do a side-by-side? Nov 17 00:17:06 Yeah, that did it, chelli. Nov 17 00:17:19 Just fix up the hourglass and the repos dialog now. Nov 17 00:18:14 i'll look at it, but the maemo-mapper-devs will get the current patch in a few minutes :) Nov 17 00:18:39 Yeah Nov 17 00:18:51 They can fix the rest themselves. Nov 17 00:18:51 chelli, OS2008 port seems to work fine to me Nov 17 00:19:39 GeneralAntilles: what was exactly wrong with the repos dialog? (looks ok here so far) Nov 17 00:20:32 TPC: good to know Nov 17 00:23:00 http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/chinookmm.jpg Nov 17 00:23:37 hmm, very interesting :) Nov 17 00:23:51 it looks totally ok here :) Nov 17 00:24:28 chelli: it looks exactly like for General on my n800 Nov 17 00:26:39 from the picture it looks like some really ugly problem with the translations - maybe it just does not occur with german configured on the n800 Nov 17 00:28:32 I'd test out another one Nov 17 00:28:37 but then I'd have to restart. :P Nov 17 00:29:12 does anyone have a direct link to the last OS2007 firmware? Nov 17 00:29:49 chelli, I get a segfault when trying to go into the manage maps dialog Nov 17 00:30:03 Running the latest version, TPC? Nov 17 00:30:10 TPC: try the newest version :) Nov 17 00:30:16 oh Nov 17 00:30:21 I didn't notice Nov 17 00:30:50 Best to be done, cesman: http://maemo.org/downloads/nokia_N800 Nov 17 00:31:00 ok, i'll try it with English (USA) right now Nov 17 00:31:18 chelli, I have another weird problem, with every dialog button Nov 17 00:31:30 thanks GeneralAntilles, the site seems to be having issues at the moment Nov 17 00:31:36 but I don't think its related with your port Nov 17 00:31:52 as I saw it in a few another apps on OS2007 Nov 17 00:32:14 ok, now the repos dialog is broken here too :) Nov 17 00:32:52 rather than saying ok it will say something like ecdgbdconfirmationnoteok as the button text Nov 17 00:33:15 I think its because its lacking translations for the locale I'm using Nov 17 00:33:29 and doesn't default to english for some reason Nov 17 00:33:37 TPC: where exactly? Nov 17 00:34:09 in various places, but not everywhere, the "really clear the track?" is one example Nov 17 00:34:16 dialog is* Nov 17 00:36:09 the dialog is ok here - i guess it is really just a problem with the translations (i did not change a single line of code regarding translations, so i guess it might be related to the chinook SDK somehow, i'll investigate) :) Nov 17 00:37:00 here is a screenshot: http://www.tpwch.com/temp/buttonname.png Nov 17 00:37:11 heh. i get an error overlaying the Manage Repo screen, says to contact Last Translator: John Costigan Nov 17 00:37:19 Kagu: we have issued an update (1.0.10-2) to fix a crash while playing songs with "track#" info missing in their id3. Should be in your Application Manager update screens soon. Nov 17 00:37:26 I have my device set to use swedish language Nov 17 00:39:25 chelli, anyway, could you drop me a PM if you release any more fixed versions? I'm gonna sleep now, but will be using my GPS tomorrow and don't want to miss any fixed versions if gnuite doesn't make an official build before I leave tomorrow Nov 17 00:39:58 TPC: yes, no problem Nov 17 00:40:12 ok, thanks Nov 17 00:44:10 re Nov 17 00:45:46 App manager seems to have only the nokia stuff... Nov 17 00:47:08 You have to install the extra repos Nov 17 00:47:21 http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php Nov 17 00:47:27 Well, not "install" Nov 17 00:47:28 add Nov 17 00:47:48 Tanks, will have to do this again in 2008, I guess. Nov 17 00:48:30 GeneralAntilles: i think i found the problem, just a few minutes and the will be a fixed version :) Nov 17 00:48:30 Hehe Nov 17 00:48:35 Sweet Nov 17 00:48:39 :-)! Nov 17 00:48:58 Hehe, how about OS2008 now, K`zan? :P Nov 17 00:52:20 this huge bookmarks screen is bugging me Nov 17 01:00:18 Is K`zan booting of internal card yet? Nov 17 01:00:51 No Nov 17 01:00:57 I wouldn't bother with that for now. Nov 17 01:02:16 i'm no linux newb but i had a some bumps and bruises the second go-around. hiccups with 2008 Nov 17 01:03:51 2008 went perfectly fine for me. Nov 17 01:04:07 * pupnik starts working on ports again Nov 17 01:04:56 maemo respositories barf out... Nov 17 01:05:04 Gonna try it via the web... Nov 17 01:05:24 the flash went fine but i had a devil of a time. threw some new cards in, had a bad one Nov 17 01:05:42 cloning just didn't want to go well for me Nov 17 01:05:47 Do you think it is possible to realize that under N800 too? Nov 17 01:05:47 http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control/ Nov 17 01:06:11 i've been thinking about the requirements for a Nov 17 01:09:23 GeneralAntilles: http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/maemo-mapper/maemo-mapper_2.0.4.3_armel.deb should fix the repos dialog (its not really a fix, just a workaround - i just disabled translations, but i guess it wont hurt you) :) Nov 17 01:10:33 mmapper chinook? mmm-mm i should install that Nov 17 01:10:37 ...universal remote control, inteligent programming, like a Pronto Nov 17 01:11:28 disq: yes, please do that, but keep in mind that is not the official port, so do not blame the mmapper devs for mistakes i made ;-) Nov 17 01:11:46 ok no worries Nov 17 01:12:01 Klaus_Kinski: easily done with lirc, a nearby linux/win/mac and an IR blaster/blinkers Nov 17 01:13:11 ol_schoola ok porting lirc Nov 17 01:13:25 ol_schoola but what with the hardware? Nov 17 01:14:03 up on the n800!!! Nov 17 01:14:05 chelli: everything looks good now except for "busy" cursor Nov 17 01:14:12 disq: the only issues with the port seems that the hourglass is not displayed right and that i had to disable translated texts Nov 17 01:14:20 erich141: yes, i know Nov 17 01:14:39 de k`zan... Nov 17 01:17:01 chelli: did you change the select db file dialog? Nov 17 01:17:24 works fine btw, thanks Nov 17 01:17:46 disq: not really, whats different compared to the bora version? Nov 17 01:18:12 IIRC it let you choose the db file (like a open file dialog) Nov 17 01:18:21 now you choose the dir and type the filename manually Nov 17 01:19:07 the tablet issues commands to an lircd on your "IR server" via the telnet interface and that instance of lirc drives a serial/usb blaster or blinkers Nov 17 01:19:14 are you sure? (i did not touch the code there, as far as i can tell) Nov 17 01:19:30 no i'm not sure. no big deal anyways Nov 17 01:19:55 maemo.org seems to be overloaded :-). May be a good sign that I am not alone :) Nov 17 01:23:24 ol_schoola ???? Nov 17 01:23:25 <_Monkey> ol_schoola is, like, afk for the next three hours Nov 17 01:23:43 hush _Monkey Nov 17 01:24:55 Klaus_Kinski: lirc works via udp, too, right? Nov 17 01:25:57 dont know Nov 17 01:26:15 but my problem is not the software! Nov 17 01:26:27 N800 has afaik no infrared Nov 17 01:26:57 well, the tablet kicks commands via udp to an intermediary box, say a linux machine running lircd and irxevent. using creartive scripting and a serial IR blaster on that machine, you could control a very large entertainment center. Nov 17 01:27:05 whole house if you got some spare time Nov 17 01:27:19 umm Nov 17 01:27:33 i want to have a remote control in my N800 Nov 17 01:27:57 and i'm proposing a method of turning the n800 into a remote control ;) Nov 17 01:28:05 and not a server running... and sending via Wifi commands to lircserver Nov 17 01:28:11 infrared remote control Nov 17 01:28:32 well, without the third party, you'll need a steady hand installing the IR emitter Nov 17 01:29:22 You could also attach an IR blaster to the audio out, no? Nov 17 01:30:09 GeneralAntilles: good call, I'd forgotten about that Nov 17 01:30:56 Seems to me that Griffin sold something like that for the old iPods Nov 17 01:31:03 lol Nov 17 01:31:09 i mentioned that 30 min ago Nov 17 01:31:26 lol[02:05] http://features.engadget.com/2004/07/27/how-to-turn-your-ipod-in-to-a-universal-infrared-remote-control/ Nov 17 01:34:07 ;) Nov 17 01:34:21 GeneralAntilles: erm, not sure if the blaster would work on the audio with lirc per se. there is a alsa-audio-in receive driver, not sure about a transmit driver Nov 17 01:34:59 Klaus_Kinski: now I get it, was on a different wavelength. looks interesting.... Nov 17 01:35:19 I want a parallel port on my N800 Nov 17 01:35:24 how can i do this? Nov 17 01:35:27 Mails about Total irRemote will go to /dev/null unread. Nov 17 01:35:32 lol Nov 17 01:35:38 http://lirc.org/faq.html Nov 17 01:37:14 what for pupnik? Nov 17 01:37:14 Lots of soldering, pupnik? Nov 17 01:40:24 Klaus_Kinski: i guess that answers that Nov 17 01:40:35 ok, the chinook-patches for maemo were just sent to gnuite, so lets hope to see a official port soon :) Nov 17 01:40:58 s/maemo/maemo-mapper/ :) Nov 17 01:41:04 chelli: working great so far here Nov 17 01:43:24 i just removed the partly broken version 2.0.4.1 and 2.0.4.2, so that people only use 2.0.4.3 which should fix most of the issues (except the hourglass-problem) Nov 17 01:44:22 ol_schoola http://www.codeproject.com/netcf/PocketBeamer.asp Nov 17 01:46:28 i'll go to sleep now, cu Nov 17 01:46:29 dpkg-buildpackage: source version is 0.71-0.1 Nov 17 01:46:40 hmmm, i've had a lot of exp with manipulation of and capturing IR. i'm kinda leary of that method Nov 17 01:46:42 IS NOT. i changed version to 0.72-0.1 Nov 17 01:46:45 dabmabit Nov 17 01:46:49 chelli: are you compiling the binary with omap2420 specific optimizations? Nov 17 01:46:52 chelli: ty, have a good one Nov 17 01:47:15 the makefile probably has them already though. Nov 17 01:47:19 ah he's gone Nov 17 01:48:17 oh it gets it from the changelog Nov 17 01:51:27 Anyone able to get into maemo.org ? Nov 17 01:52:28 not here Nov 17 01:52:37 its been crapping out all day Nov 17 01:53:16 i hope it's a DOS from a flurry of commits Nov 17 01:56:52 * konttori_ is depressed. setup vmware, setup the gpg, ssh keys, recreated the changes and dsc files, used debsign to sign them , used dput to publish them to repositories. Got the supposed return values and... nothing. ukmp is not there on the repos. Nov 17 01:58:46 Thanks folks, thought it was just me :-). Nov 17 01:59:30 ahh.. I hope that would somehow be affecting my package acceptance to the repositories. Nov 17 01:59:49 Gonna go snarf 2008, assuming that would be wise to do now - or should I wait until formal release. Nov 17 01:59:51 ? Nov 17 02:01:25 when i install mono on N800, can i run programms which i wrote with Visual Studio? Nov 17 02:02:40 sorry no clue Nov 17 02:03:11 i feel soiled just reading that Nov 17 02:05:07 LOL, no kidding. Nov 17 02:05:19 Going to wipe now :) Nov 17 02:08:14 good night Nov 17 02:10:33 were you guys being me and scaring people off Nov 17 02:10:36 :) Nov 17 02:10:56 were you guys being mean and scaring people off Nov 17 02:11:18 some type of freudian slip Nov 17 02:11:19 heh Nov 17 02:13:01 from the ITT forums: Crayon Physics Game http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/ Nov 17 02:13:27 Yes! Nov 17 02:13:31 It's there! Nov 17 02:13:33 congrats Nov 17 02:13:37 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/u/ukmp/ Nov 17 02:13:39 Thanks! Nov 17 02:13:50 It's been such a long road for me. Nov 17 02:14:06 eventually, I had to submit to using linux to send the stuff. Nov 17 02:14:23 oh well. can't have it all Nov 17 02:14:33 congrats :) Nov 17 02:14:50 thanks. Small step for you guys, but big one for me. Nov 17 02:15:17 further than Ive gone :) Nov 17 02:15:40 anyone seen maemo.org? it seems to have disappeared... Nov 17 02:15:46 Can I upload a 400MB deb to garage :) Nov 17 02:15:49 mic Nov 17 02:15:58 milhouse I can't access it either Nov 17 02:16:06 garage supports up to 8 megs or something like that Nov 17 02:16:08 its been in and out all day Nov 17 02:16:09 glad it's not just me - thanks :) Nov 17 02:16:27 although, the svn seems to support pretty much anything Nov 17 02:16:44 I accidentally included my test mp3s on one commit. Nov 17 02:17:05 40 megs of faulty mp3s. Apparently didn't scare off the server. Nov 17 02:17:26 I almost, sent out beta kde with konqueror auto login to internettablettalk.com Nov 17 02:17:35 repackaged before anyone got to it Nov 17 02:17:37 :) Nov 17 02:18:16 some anyone using the internettablettalk.com bookmark would login as penguinbait automatically Nov 17 02:21:23 milhouse: I noticed it go down right around 5pm EST. Nov 17 02:22:24 disq: That previous version of Kagu that I had the weird D-bus failure message when I tried to install... well, despite saying installation failure, it was still installed and still worked. Nov 17 02:23:11 zerojay: not good as it's not knackered the application maanager which just hangs... if nokia are going to get serious about this with masses of users they need more resilient infra Nov 17 02:23:22 s/not knackered/now knackered/ Nov 17 02:23:22 milhouse meant: zerojay: not good as it's now knackered the application maanager which just hangs... if nokia are going to get serious about this with masses of users they need more resilient infra Nov 17 02:23:43 or announce any outages if this outage is planned Nov 17 02:23:55 at least bugzilla is still working :) Nov 17 02:24:27 anyone able to confirm what happens in os2008 xterm if you type "exit" at the command line? my xterm stays open with a useless blank window and i have to close the app with "x" Nov 17 02:24:42 I hope they are sending out 500 REALLY BIG EMAIL, saying where to use our developer discounts Nov 17 02:24:43 would make more sense if the app closed (like the old xterm) Nov 17 02:25:02 penguinbat - nah, it will probably be another enourmous stacktrace Nov 17 02:25:06 penguinbait: It will be at nokiausa, which will redirect us to letstalk.com. Nov 17 02:25:38 At least that's what happened when I ordered my N800 direct from Nokia. Nov 17 02:25:49 I know this, but I want it to be the reason maemo is down Nov 17 02:25:52 millhouse: we were not able to get that bug fixed for xterm on time. Nov 17 02:26:00 penguinbait: Hehe. Me too. Nov 17 02:26:05 sorry about that. also, same thing applies to ctrl-d Nov 17 02:26:17 knotorri - so it's already logged? cool... should i bother opening it in bugzilla anyway ? Nov 17 02:26:26 milhouse: Want to possibly see something weird? Nov 17 02:26:36 zerojay: how weird? uh Nov 17 02:26:41 zerojay: sure why not... :) Nov 17 02:26:43 anyway, if you have good suggestions, let me know. I'm managing the project still. Nov 17 02:26:47 milhouse, xterm closed fine for me when i exited Nov 17 02:27:23 knotorri - my only suggestion would be for it to close, and for the "close" menu to include an extra menu item "close this window" as per the browser as multiple xterm sessions are possible but the only "close" option is "close all windows" Nov 17 02:27:29 i'll open a bug and make those suggestions Nov 17 02:27:32 xterm source is in garage in exactly the shape that you have on the device (ok, there are bug fixes as well) Nov 17 02:27:33 milhouse: Lock your N800. After it dims, hit the power key to make the screen come back on with the message "now press [] Nov 17 02:27:34 maybe mine closing correctly was a bug =x Nov 17 02:27:35 as they're kind of related Nov 17 02:27:42 milhouse: Then just repeatedly press anywhere on the screen. Nov 17 02:27:52 Serge / ssvb fixes critical memory corruption bug in all OS2006 firmwares Nov 17 02:28:00 milhouse: The N800 can't decide which version of the "press power then []" warning to use. Nov 17 02:28:18 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11824 memory bug fix for IT2006 Nov 17 02:28:19 Keeps switching from the old two line version to the single line and back with each button press. Nov 17 02:28:24 zerojay: i think it's a feature Nov 17 02:28:37 disq: It's inconsistant. Bug. Nov 17 02:28:56 zerojay: it's consistent. only switches between the two, in order. that's consistency Nov 17 02:29:06 Okay, you got me there. :) Nov 17 02:29:10 did anyone else notice that when you lock the screen it does not turn it off, it dims as normal? Nov 17 02:29:19 zerojay - fck it! my buttons have gone AWOL again, cheers! ;) Nov 17 02:29:24 lol Nov 17 02:29:28 Sorry, dude. Nov 17 02:29:34 penguinbait: Turns it off here. Nov 17 02:29:56 hmmanyone else? Nov 17 02:29:59 it's locked and i can't unlock it!!! kontorri - any ideas if this is logged/fixed etc.? lock the device and it forgets it has button making power+d-pad centre to unlock impossible Nov 17 02:30:00 zerojay: it always starts with the two-line version. if a warning is already present on the screen, it shows the other one Nov 17 02:30:06 penguinbait: Well, dims and then turns off. Nov 17 02:30:24 yes mine too, it used to go off immediately Nov 17 02:30:27 softpoweroff won't lock the screen though. wish it did Nov 17 02:30:52 If I set my display to not turn off for an hour, this is goin to be a problem Nov 17 02:31:08 perhaps its because its not meant for this hardware?? Nov 17 02:31:14 xterm isn't listed in applications on bugzilla :( Nov 17 02:31:38 File a bug to add it. Nov 17 02:31:50 thanks :) Nov 17 02:31:50 can you post a bug for software you are not supposed to have? Nov 17 02:32:03 will probably appear once OS2008 is launched officially Nov 17 02:32:13 milhouse, file the bug in garage project Nov 17 02:32:22 ok kontorri Nov 17 02:32:23 <_Monkey> kontorri are you in?!? :) Nov 17 02:32:29 If you have the time / interest, you can fix the bug yourself as well. Nov 17 02:32:38 Well, considering the fact that there's been zero response about the leak (that I've seen), I wouldn't think they're too worried about it. Nov 17 02:33:00 The most current xterm / vte versions are right there in garage (in case you can access it some day). Nov 17 02:33:04 of course that will probably have to wait until maemo.org returns... Nov 17 02:33:10 Found it funny that someone had the balls to have a post about how to update right on Planet. Nov 17 02:33:30 zerojay yeah i noticed that too :) Nov 17 02:33:34 gbtv announced it as well Nov 17 02:33:40 i think that was pretty cool Nov 17 02:33:48 now how do i file this buttons bug - i'm not really sure how to trigger it as nobody else seems to have it Nov 17 02:33:52 ooh garage is up Nov 17 02:33:55 A nice 50/50 battle over buried/loved too. Nov 17 02:34:17 milhouse: What buttons bug? Nov 17 02:34:21 the developers should have already had access to some sort of beta anyway Nov 17 02:34:28 when i lock my device, it forgets it has any buttons Nov 17 02:34:32 so i can't unlock it Nov 17 02:34:35 development should be ahead of the curve Nov 17 02:34:35 need to reboot it Nov 17 02:34:44 garage is v. slow Nov 17 02:34:45 I've had that happen to me once or twice on ITOS2007. Nov 17 02:35:02 never had it happen to me on 2007 but it's a regular occurrence on 2008 Nov 17 02:35:17 I've never had it happen on 2008. Nov 17 02:35:40 knotorri - is this the link for the 2008 xterm? https://garage.maemo.org/projects/osso-xterm Nov 17 02:36:26 aha... i didn't reboot it and left it along for a few minutes and now the buttons are working again so i could unlock it... wierd. Nov 17 02:36:35 milhouse: yeah Nov 17 02:37:00 thanks Nov 17 02:37:30 so, if you want the latest and greatest, take a look into the osso-xterm and vte folders Nov 17 02:37:38 should be easy to compile Nov 17 02:37:58 isn't it going to be a bit confusing having some items of the firmware (such as xterm) tracked in garage and the remaining items in bugzilla? Nov 17 02:38:17 kontorri - that's well out of my capabilities! :) Nov 17 02:38:39 yeah. I can ask for the xterm to be added to the public bugzilla. Just thought that if you'd like to report it now, you could do it in garage Nov 17 02:39:05 ah i see - ok i'm adding it now to garage can cut&paste later once xterm is added to bugzilla Nov 17 02:39:27 sounds good. Nov 17 02:39:29 in fact i'll add one bug (not closing) and one enhancement (close this window) Nov 17 02:40:15 zerojay: do you remember the dbus error message? something about machine-id maybe? Nov 17 02:40:41 disq: No, but I pasted it here. You should be able to find it in the #maemo IRC logs. Nov 17 02:40:50 oh ok. and this was 1.0.10, right? Nov 17 02:40:55 No. Nov 17 02:40:59 1.0.9 Nov 17 02:41:09 then it's normal. fixed in 1.0.10 which we released tonight :P Nov 17 02:41:16 shouldn't we have the IT OS operating systems added to the garage list of Operating Systems when reporting bugs? Nov 17 02:41:32 Yep. I tried updating and it wouldn't work. Removing .9 and then installing .10 worked fine. Nov 17 02:41:42 milhouse: It is in the list in Bugzilla. Nov 17 02:41:52 not in garage Nov 17 02:41:54 I would say that's reasonable enough. Nov 17 02:41:58 we had the plan for the close window for a long time ( at least a few weeks), but we had to drop it at some point. I think it's commented out in the code, so if you compile it, you should be able to enable it easily Nov 17 02:42:12 milhouse: Another bug to file. :) Nov 17 02:42:17 hehe Nov 17 02:42:49 zerojay: that's because you installed 1.0.9 from the bora repository probably. had the same thing here too. app-mgr now apparently keeps track of which repository you installed a file before upgrading to prevent corruptions Nov 17 02:42:56 I'd file it myself, but I spent all day with my eyeballs glued to my company's bugzilla and I'm just not in the mood right now. ;) Nov 17 02:43:02 disq: Yep. Nov 17 02:43:14 quite a few of the drop downs in the "new bug" form on garage need some attention (Hardware: DEC, HP, SGI, Sun!) and Component (Cog A, Cog B) - bizarre Nov 17 02:43:33 Some of those are Bugzilla defaults. Nov 17 02:45:18 yeah just saying they could do with some cleaning up Nov 17 02:45:40 would have thought we'd be in better shape by now Nov 17 02:45:58 so I guess it's odd that maemo.org doesn't load at all, for me, then Nov 17 02:46:07 not odd at all Nov 17 02:46:10 :) Nov 17 02:46:28 oh? Nov 17 02:46:42 I just flipped over here and saw people talking about garage (which I cannot load, either) Nov 17 02:46:49 and assumed that meant it worked ;-) Nov 17 02:46:50 garage is loading very slowly Nov 17 02:47:04 bugzilla is fine Nov 17 02:47:07 maemo.org is knackered Nov 17 02:47:17 ahh, I see Nov 17 02:47:22 elb: Hey. Nov 17 02:47:40 no doubt I would have learned this if I read more scrollback :-) Nov 17 02:47:42 zerojay: hi Nov 17 02:48:19 dunno why, a moose probably sat on the cable. or something equally bizarre and unlikely. Nov 17 02:48:52 a squirrel chewed through the cable that connected the building my office is in and the rest of the world, a few months ago Nov 17 02:49:02 AND the redundant backup fiber Nov 17 02:49:12 it sucked Nov 17 02:49:25 In Ohio a few months ago, there was a big fibre outage. Nov 17 02:49:28 milhouse: site not working? :/ Nov 17 02:49:34 Turns out it was because of a drive-by shooting. Nov 17 02:49:55 someone shot a fiber? Nov 17 02:50:08 Not on purpose. Nov 17 02:50:15 But yeah. Nov 17 02:50:16 no doubt Nov 17 02:50:19 elb - someone actually did that a while ago, pumped it full of shotgun pellets (can't remember where, somewhere in the states) Nov 17 02:50:57 here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/22/gunplay_triggers_net_slowdown/ Nov 17 02:50:59 I know there was a problem a while back with some kids shooting out power lines somewhere in the frozen north of the US Nov 17 02:51:21 obviously tin cans where in short supply at the time Nov 17 02:51:41 hah Cleveland Nov 17 02:51:47 yeah taht's the same story, more or less Nov 17 02:51:54 except interwebz instead of power lines Nov 17 02:52:53 people who intentionally damage public property should be punished severely :-P Nov 17 02:53:05 No kidding. Nov 17 02:54:16 severe damage to 2/3 mile of buried cable ... that has to be intentional Nov 17 02:54:23 GeneralAntilles: Didn't like what you found on Jablet? ;) Nov 17 02:55:00 I don't see how it's even possible, it must not have been buried more than a trivial distance Nov 17 02:55:24 Hmm, zerojay? Nov 17 02:55:41 GeneralAntilles: I'm just kidding. I noticed that you registered, that's all. Nov 17 02:55:53 Hehe Nov 17 02:55:55 Registered Nov 17 02:56:05 then I thought about moving all my contacts and changing Jabber servers. . . Nov 17 02:56:10 That's what the server calls it. ;P Nov 17 02:56:10 elb: assuming they were buried in the first place, could have been suspended (to save money) Nov 17 02:56:29 milhouse: the article that references says the technicians "pulled up" the cable Nov 17 02:56:41 ah right Nov 17 02:56:45 I'll get around to it eventually. :D Nov 17 02:56:47 so either it is mistaken (entirely possible), they are using bizarre terminology (possible), or it was buried Nov 17 02:56:50 GeneralAntilles: Well, you know your contacts on the different IM services will come with you, right? The only ones you'll need to readd are Jabber contacts. Nov 17 02:57:07 Yeah, good point. Nov 17 02:57:13 the media is nearly incompetent to cover anything, but as soon as it says "gun" they become *entirely* incompetent Nov 17 02:57:26 Still, changing my login info on the client . . . :P Nov 17 02:57:37 GeneralAntilles: I know some older servers (including the one on Dreamhost) don't bring them across, which sucks. Nov 17 02:58:11 since the website is down, does anyone know where i could get directions to install the 3.2/4.0 maemo sdk? Nov 17 02:58:30 GeneralAntilles: Let me know if you need any help.. adding transports or whatever. Nov 17 02:58:36 Will do. Nov 17 02:58:50 And now to get to work on this Chumby thing. Nov 17 02:58:50 elb: no, the register article doesnn't say technicians "pulled up" the cables, it says the technicians "pulled" the cables (ie. they were removed) Nov 17 02:59:21 milhouse: another article said "pulled up" Nov 17 02:59:28 * elb digs through his history Nov 17 02:59:36 oh right, sorry thought we were both reading the same article (the one i linked) :) Nov 17 02:59:51 "TeliaSonera, which lost the northern leg of its US network to the cut, said that the outage began in the early hours of yesterday morning, GMT. When technicians pulled up the affected cable, it appeared to have been shot." <-- http://www.techworld.com/networking/news/index.cfm?newsid=9856 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Nov 17 02:59:57 2007