**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 20 02:59:57 2007
Nov 20 04:23:07 <tsavola> Mon 23:43             czr> hmm. is the recommended way to use emacs within the sdk stiff using emacsclient?
Nov 20 04:23:14 <tsavola> it works if you have emacs21
Nov 20 04:23:31 <tsavola> emacs22 has much more advanced emacsclient, so the protocol may have changed
Nov 20 04:27:03 <K`zan> Is it just me or is "control panel->applications->organize" really hosed in 2008.  Just went in to delete Gizmo and the delete option (and rename) are greyed out.  Moving an app is also flakey as hell (can be done, but takes a great number of attempts).
Nov 20 04:27:48 <K`zan> Seems like you can delete folders but not anything in the contents?!?
Nov 20 04:30:06 <K`zan> cd /var/log
Nov 20 04:30:09 <K`zan> ww
Nov 20 04:31:00 <K`zan> empty :-(
Nov 20 04:32:23 <K`zan> tried creating a "trash" category and was going to move what I don't want into that and delete it (can do that) but 25 drags and drops and Gizmo will not move, I give up :-(.
Nov 20 04:35:15 <pupnik> you can enable logs somehow
Nov 20 04:35:35 <pupnik> what rolls down stairs, alone or in pairs?  all over your neighbors' dog?
Nov 20 04:35:47 <pupnik> what's great for a snack, it fits on your back?  It's log, log, LOG!
Nov 20 04:36:27 <K`zan> LOL
Nov 20 04:36:38 <K`zan> about ready to reflash 2007.
Nov 20 04:40:15 <K`zan> sync
Nov 20 04:40:17 <K`zan> exit
Nov 20 04:48:52 <K`zan> Argh, fbreader looses the book I was reading if I close it and it isn't in the recent list.  Sigh...
Nov 20 04:49:56 <K`zan> Seems to be just too many problems with 2008, going to try 2007 and see if they all exist there.
Nov 20 04:56:37 <rhykin> whats the best codec to re-encode videos into for the n800
Nov 20 04:56:41 <rhykin> anyone have any input?
Nov 20 04:59:19 <bjv> -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4 ?
Nov 20 04:59:22 <pupnik> 770-encode?
Nov 20 04:59:23 <_Monkey> somebody said 770-encode was now known at tablet-encode and can be found at http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/
Nov 20 05:00:22 <pupnik> i prefer XviD at 300-800kb/s depending on source type
Nov 20 05:00:33 <bjv> -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4 -vf crop=704:352:8:64,scale=400:-2 -ffourcc DIVX -ofps 17000/1001 is what i run on dvd rips
Nov 20 05:01:13 <pupnik> bjv: N800 can handle that resolution?
Nov 20 05:01:24 <pupnik> oh sorry i see the scale now
Nov 20 05:01:34 <bjv> thats 400 pixels wide, it doubles to 800xwhtever
Nov 20 05:01:39 <bjv> i have a 770
Nov 20 05:02:11 <pupnik> thanks, didn't know about the -2 parameter to scale=
Nov 20 05:02:19 <pupnik> what bitrate do you set?
Nov 20 05:02:46 <rhykin> are those mencoder flags?
Nov 20 05:02:56 <bjv> yeah
Nov 20 05:04:28 <bjv> variable bitrate i think, max would be whatever 400:-2 at 17fps is
Nov 20 05:04:46 <rhykin> any reason 17fps?
Nov 20 05:05:08 <rhykin> instead of 30 or 24
Nov 20 05:05:25 <bjv> if i go lower i loose detail in action scenes
Nov 20 05:05:41 <bjv> filesize is the only reason i dont do 24
Nov 20 05:06:02 <bjv> filesize/horsepower on the 770
Nov 20 05:06:22 <rhykin> gotcha
Nov 20 05:06:52 <K`zan> Anyone know how to back up the install in the n800 just in case one might want to put it back intact?
Nov 20 05:07:01 <Robdgreat> so at 17 you don't lose too much detail, then
Nov 20 05:07:04 <Robdgreat> good to know
Nov 20 05:08:34 <bjv> yeah, those are dvd rips, it seems like i encode anime VHS rips at 352:208, -ofps 15
Nov 20 05:09:03 <bjv> i think ive gone as low as 13 for VHS cartoons
Nov 20 05:09:14 <Tb0n3> I don't know why, but I am interested in a thread about pens
Nov 20 05:10:51 <Robdgreat> pens can be fascinating
Nov 20 05:10:57 <Robdgreat> what's it about in particular
Nov 20 05:12:01 <rhykin> man
Nov 20 05:12:10 <Tb0n3> pens people like
Nov 20 05:12:14 <rhykin> i always get a "Codec not supported" or "Video resolution not supported" message
Nov 20 05:12:17 <Tb0n3> I like my Pilot V5
Nov 20 05:12:26 <Robdgreat> I've always been a Pilot fan
Nov 20 05:12:34 <Tb0n3> I've always loved the V5s
Nov 20 05:12:36 <Robdgreat> ever use a Varsity?
Nov 20 05:12:40 <Tb0n3> served me well
Nov 20 05:12:41 <Tb0n3> no
Nov 20 05:12:49 <Robdgreat> disposable fountain pen, by pilot
Nov 20 05:12:51 <Tb0n3> I've heard good things about the Zebra F-301 though
Nov 20 05:12:55 <Tb0n3> oh yeah
Nov 20 05:12:56 <Tb0n3> saw those
Nov 20 05:12:58 <Robdgreat> somewhat hard to find in my experience
Nov 20 05:13:11 <Tb0n3> I know exactly where to find them, but only in 4 color packs
Nov 20 05:13:42 <Robdgreat> I found them at office depot in town, can't remember what packaging
Nov 20 05:13:43 <pupnik_> rhykin: use mplayer to play back
Nov 20 05:13:52 <Robdgreat> I believe I got a 4-color pakc
Nov 20 05:14:10 <Tb0n3> staples sells them, I know cause I work there
Nov 20 05:14:11 <Robdgreat> first saw them at the LSU bookstore
Nov 20 05:15:01 <Tb0n3> man, i'm gonna have to return my router
Nov 20 05:15:25 <Tb0n3> netgear and it keeps screwing up so I have to unplug it to get wireless to work again
Nov 20 05:15:29 <Tb0n3> or is that somebody in the area
Nov 20 05:16:10 <Robdgreat> change channel?
Nov 20 05:16:10 <_Monkey> Robdgreat: that doesn't look right
Nov 20 05:16:26 <Robdgreat> eh.
Nov 20 05:16:26 <Tb0n3> I've got it on channel 1
Nov 20 05:16:45 <rhykin> pupnik: crap heh
Nov 20 05:16:50 <Robdgreat> hmm
Nov 20 05:16:59 <Tb0n3> that's usually the best, I've had it happen before and I'm just going to exchange it for the same one, maybe go to a linksys for $10 more
Nov 20 05:17:57 <Robdgreat> well, I just confirmed that there isn't a staples within 50 miles of me
Nov 20 05:18:00 <Robdgreat> didn't think there was
Nov 20 05:18:26 <Robdgreat> yeah one of my neighbors is already on 1
Nov 20 05:18:37 <rhykin> nvm, foudn the deb
Nov 20 05:18:38 <Tb0n3> lol
Nov 20 05:18:39 <Robdgreat> I was on 6 for nearly 2 years
Nov 20 05:18:49 <Robdgreat> until just recently I changed to maybe 8
Nov 20 05:19:01 <Robdgreat> pretty saturated in my building :/
Nov 20 05:19:54 <pupnik_> mplayer is the king of video playback.  like.. you know.  godzilla or something
Nov 20 05:19:56 <pupnik_> mplayer?
Nov 20 05:20:11 <pupnik_> the monkey used to have a link for it
Nov 20 05:20:18 <pupnik_> oh there it went
Nov 20 05:20:29 <pupnik_> mplayer?
Nov 20 05:20:29 <_Monkey> it has been said that mplayer is down, that's what's up
Nov 20 05:21:20 <pupnik_> _Monkey: forget mplayer
Nov 20 05:21:20 <_Monkey> pupnik_: I forgot mplayer
Nov 20 05:21:52 <pupnik_> _Monkey: mplayer is a high-performance video player for the tablet OS: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mplayer
Nov 20 05:21:52 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik_.
Nov 20 05:22:40 <Tb0n3> for some reason mplayer never worked for me
Nov 20 05:22:50 <Tb0n3> well, it worked once and never worked again
Nov 20 05:33:41 <Tb0n3> I am amazed that such heavy opinions can be placed on pens
Nov 20 05:44:30 <CaptLloyd> I think my N810 is shipping tomorrow, yay!
Nov 20 05:45:56 <K`zan> :-)
Nov 20 05:46:15 <K`zan> How does one get in to change paswords on the n800/2007?
Nov 20 05:46:27 <CaptLloyd> They called me today to confirm I still wanted my preorder and my address
Nov 20 05:46:30 <K`zan> something to do with "gainroot" but how.
Nov 20 05:46:57 <K`zan> Got my n800 last friday, understand the eagerness :)!
Nov 20 05:48:41 <CaptLloyd> I shoulda gotten Next day, heeh
Nov 20 05:48:59 <CaptLloyd> I thought it was gonna ship on a friday, so it wouldn't have mattered
Nov 20 05:50:33 <K`zan> I even splurged for 2 day :)
Nov 20 05:50:59 <CaptLloyd> Yeah, I got 2 day on mine
Nov 20 05:51:03 <CaptLloyd> Where'd you get yours?
Nov 20 05:52:02 <K`zan> buy.com
Nov 20 05:52:03 <_Monkey> i heard buy.com was awesome because they ship free and dont charge tax a lot of places
Nov 20 05:52:09 <K`zan> 800 not 810
Nov 20 05:52:25 <CaptLloyd> yeah, buy.com has the best price
Nov 20 05:52:32 <K`zan> Ship free if you don't mind a week or so.
Nov 20 05:52:57 <CaptLloyd> I got my MiniSD 4GB, for less than $20 shipped using buy.com and google checkout
Nov 20 05:53:02 <K`zan> 810 was a bit much $$$ for me and I'd rather have my choice of keyboard and GPS.
Nov 20 05:53:14 <K`zan> Coool :-).
Nov 20 05:53:24 <CaptLloyd> I think it took uhm maybe 5 days
Nov 20 05:53:34 <K`zan> Already I want 8G cards :), limping along with a 4G and 1G for now :-).
Nov 20 05:53:39 <CaptLloyd> hehe
Nov 20 05:53:55 <CaptLloyd> I really wanted a keyboard on the thing so I got an N810
Nov 20 05:53:57 <K`zan> I was eager, I went for the 2 day, something I almost never do :)
Nov 20 05:54:02 <CaptLloyd> the GPS is cool, but wasn't a must
Nov 20 05:54:18 <K`zan> Mixed emotions about that,  Beats hell out of tapping if you are doing much.
Nov 20 05:54:26 <CaptLloyd> It cost almost 2x what an N800 would have been tho
Nov 20 05:54:31 <K`zan> Yep, true.
Nov 20 05:54:45 <CaptLloyd> I want to use it primarily for IM
Nov 20 05:54:54 <K`zan> I've been stuck with built in stuff that I wasn't happy with before and I already have a good GPS anyway.
Nov 20 05:54:57 <CaptLloyd> I don't compose a lot of emails.
Nov 20 05:55:03 <K`zan> Good :-)
Nov 20 05:55:31 <K`zan> I did one reply to the guy that turned me on to the tablets and was pretty much over tapping by the time I got done with it.
Nov 20 05:56:48 <K`zan> Took it for a ride tonight and was rather amazed at the number of WAPs out there.
Nov 20 05:56:57 <K`zan> Even a fair number open.
Nov 20 05:57:37 <K`zan> But here I think it is a crime to use an open WAP unless you are physcially on the site.
Nov 20 05:57:57 <K`zan> They humg some kid for doing it from the library parking lot after hours.
Nov 20 05:58:26 <CaptLloyd> yeah
Nov 20 05:58:58 <l7> K`zan: whoa, where did that happen?
Nov 20 05:59:21 <l7> it's illegal to use a WAP after hours?  that's crazy
Nov 20 05:59:24 <K`zan> IIRC it was Seattle, but I am no longer sure, it was a while back.
Nov 20 05:59:31 <l7> dang
Nov 20 05:59:42 <K`zan> Yep.
Nov 20 05:59:55 <CaptLloyd> Most places do not allow you to use other peoples access without permission
Nov 20 06:00:07 <l7> that's weird
Nov 20 06:00:11 <K`zan> True, but...
Nov 20 06:00:13 <l7> they should use WPA then
Nov 20 06:00:19 <l7> or turn it off after hours
Nov 20 06:00:27 <K`zan> If it is open to the public, it is OPEN to the public.
Nov 20 06:00:41 <l7> yeah i don't really see who is harmed by that
Nov 20 06:00:52 <K`zan> Yep, but we couldn't have the gov start being responsible for their actions here...
Nov 20 06:01:12 <K`zan> No one, but the cops and lawyers made out on the deal...
Nov 20 06:01:40 <l7> ah, that's too bad
Nov 20 06:01:54 <l7> i could see the point if he was trying to hack into their computers
Nov 20 06:02:05 <K`zan> No one was harmed, but it is the LAW.  Small wonder no one respects the law much anymore :-(.
Nov 20 06:02:07 <l7> but if he was just using their wifi to get online, it seems silly
Nov 20 06:02:22 <K`zan> Yep, that is what everyone I have talked to has said too.
Nov 20 06:02:26 <K`zan> BFD...
Nov 20 06:02:44 <K`zan> Unless they just want to play the power over game and here they LOVE it :-(.
Nov 20 06:04:01 <l7> ah well, that's unfortunate
Nov 20 06:04:23 <l7> in unrelated news, i haven't seen many n810 reviews online yet
Nov 20 06:05:15 <pupnik> becomeroot?
Nov 20 06:05:16 <_Monkey> becomeroot is a quick howto to become root here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_BecomeRoot  and more information is here http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowDoiBecomeRoot
Nov 20 06:06:15 <l7> no entry for n810 yet
Nov 20 06:07:40 <K`zan> On installing jooleem, I got red pill mode on just apt-get install libsdlttf to get that?
Nov 20 06:08:15 <K`zan> Nope...
Nov 20 06:10:26 <K`zan> Not in any of the obvious places, any ideas for where to find "libsdlttf" ?
Nov 20 06:15:20 <CaptLloyd> Hmm
Nov 20 06:15:23 <CaptLloyd> its part of SDL I assume
Nov 20 06:15:31 <CaptLloyd> but I'm not sure what SDL package you need
Nov 20 06:15:41 <K`zan> No idea, google wasn't much help either...
Nov 20 06:15:57 <K`zan> For installing jooleem game
Nov 20 06:16:00 <K`zan> the
Nov 20 06:16:13 <CaptLloyd> Try sdl_ttf for the package?
Nov 20 06:16:27 <CaptLloyd> or SDL_ttf
Nov 20 06:16:38 <K`zan> Several variations, no luck.
Nov 20 06:16:59 <K`zan> I love stuff like that, it assumes you know what and where something needed is :-/.
Nov 20 06:17:10 <K`zan> Much to learn yet, much to learn :-).
Nov 20 06:17:49 <K`zan> Hope FBReader for 2007 doesn't loose my book and my place in it when it gets closed...
Nov 20 06:18:55 <K`zan> Heh, had enough for today, catch Y'all on the morrow - night all.
Nov 20 06:19:09 <CaptLloyd> laters
Nov 20 06:19:31 <Andy80> hi
Nov 20 06:20:22 <pupnik> i built libsdl-ttf2.0-0_2.0.8-3_armel.deb for my repo but it's gregale / 770
Nov 20 06:21:15 <pupnik> i told him about gronmayer
Nov 20 06:32:18 <solmumaha> pupnik: you getting n810?
Nov 20 06:33:19 <pupnik> yes if i live that long
Nov 20 06:34:28 <solmumaha> got the discount?
Nov 20 06:34:30 <pupnik> i'm getting some things done now again
Nov 20 06:34:31 <pupnik> yeah
Nov 20 06:34:40 <solmumaha> great
Nov 20 06:34:42 <pupnik> a nice motivational bump, that was
Nov 20 06:34:49 <solmumaha> i bet
Nov 20 06:36:23 <|R> pupnik : though since the code arrived, it's like being tortured with needles every second haha ;)
Nov 20 06:37:56 <mariorz_> whats the best wat yo flash gui methor or nokia pproved?
Nov 20 06:40:43 <pupnik> do you think it would better for dosbox to have its own launcher program, with settings and shortcuts to games, or have the frontend integrated into xmaemoe (the NES, GBA, MAME launcher)
Nov 20 06:40:59 <pupnik> s/xmaemoe/xmaeme/
Nov 20 06:41:01 <infobot> pupnik meant: do you think it would better for dosbox to have its own launcher program, with settings and shortcuts to games, or have the frontend integrated into xmaeme (the NES, GBA, MAME launcher)
Nov 20 06:41:17 <mariorz_> ha nice bot
Nov 20 06:42:57 <pupnik> i'm adding it to xmaeme right now, but there are some UI things i'm not happy about, and which i couldn't change without Tak's help and approval
Nov 20 06:43:19 <mariorz_> if its not exclusivly for games have its own launcher i think
Nov 20 06:47:32 <pupnik> I did hear of one person running a non-game app on it.
Nov 20 06:48:03 <pupnik> Will go with the standalone launcher.  Thx.
Nov 20 06:48:35 <mariorz_> haha well yeah i guess not much else to run but games
Nov 20 06:49:02 <pupnik> I'll use Tak's launcher as a framework, so he can integrate it in if he wants later.
Nov 20 06:49:25 <mariorz_> what device you own? yyo or 800?
Nov 20 06:49:29 <mariorz_> 770
Nov 20 06:49:30 <pupnik> Main thing is it needs a better scrolly list 770
Nov 20 06:49:59 <pupnik> It is fun launching dos games straight from menu
Nov 20 06:50:08 <pupnik> Without mucking around with dos commands at all
Nov 20 06:50:16 <mariorz_> you run 2007 or 2006 on that?
Nov 20 06:50:30 <pupnik> tried 2007 but had instability so went back to 2006
Nov 20 06:50:45 <mariorz_> hmmm
Nov 20 06:50:51 <mariorz_> i tought it was all stable
Nov 20 06:50:58 <pupnik> there's a very new 2007 that might be stable now
Nov 20 06:51:02 <mariorz_> just got a 770 not sure if i should do it
Nov 20 06:51:24 <mariorz_> how do i check if its a new model maybe it was in stock or whatever im in mexico
Nov 20 06:51:29 <mariorz_> manual is in spanish
Nov 20 06:51:42 <pupnik> 770 always ships with OS2006
Nov 20 06:51:50 <mariorz_> i know
Nov 20 06:52:03 <mariorz_> ohh you mean new 2007 os
Nov 20 06:52:20 <mariorz_> i tought new 770
Nov 20 06:52:22 <pupnik> yeah they fixed a memory leak a couple weeks ago
Nov 20 06:52:26 <pupnik> ok
Nov 20 06:52:29 <mariorz_> ignore very late
Nov 20 06:52:42 <mariorz_> ok so prbly try and see wtf no?
Nov 20 06:52:59 <pupnik> yeah it's easy to install and go back
Nov 20 06:53:10 <pupnik> just takes some time to reinstall applications
Nov 20 06:53:17 <mariorz_> i do loose whatever i have installed now no?
Nov 20 06:53:21 <mariorz_> ok yeagh
Nov 20 06:54:34 <lopz> bye
Nov 20 06:56:34 <Andy80> mariorz_: yes... I must admit that the new 2007 HE for 770 is very stable. The device remains a big and slow pachiderm, but at least it's stable :)
Nov 20 06:56:59 <mariorz_> Andy80: its slower than with 2006?
Nov 20 06:57:33 <Andy80> mariorz_: no, not slower than 2006, it's the device itself that is slow
Nov 20 06:57:45 <mariorz_> oh ok
Nov 20 06:58:09 <mariorz_> cool ill give it a try
Nov 20 07:16:35 <unique311> sucks...i got a virus.
Nov 20 07:16:57 <mariorz_> in what os?
Nov 20 07:17:09 <unique311> guess
Nov 20 07:17:24 <mariorz_> not windows surely
Nov 20 07:17:33 <unique311> yes
Nov 20 07:17:57 <unique311> can seem to remove the reg key or delete the file as admin
Nov 20 07:18:02 <mariorz_> how come youre running windows?
Nov 20 07:18:06 <unique311> desktop
Nov 20 07:18:07 <_Monkey> hmmm... desktop is a product
Nov 20 07:18:16 <unique311> photoshop illustrator, painter
Nov 20 07:18:26 <unique311> all the goodies i can't do without
Nov 20 07:18:46 <mariorz_> osx?
Nov 20 07:18:47 <_Monkey> osx is not a good environment for scratchbox.  Google says it is possible to run virtualisatino with VMware and Parallels desktop, wherein a linux OS running scratchbox is possible.
Nov 20 07:19:20 <unique311> well, i tried installing that on my other desktop the other day.
Nov 20 07:19:26 <unique311> but failed at it.
Nov 20 07:19:41 <unique311> hey windows is not that awful.
Nov 20 07:19:42 <mariorz_> suposeedly its cake ith leopard
Nov 20 07:20:01 <unique311> except when you catch what i have.
Nov 20 07:20:02 <Andy80> Windows is able to run a lot of software.... virus too :D
Nov 20 07:20:10 <unique311> i know
Nov 20 07:20:17 <unique311> i just hate the cleaning up.
Nov 20 07:20:38 <unique311> even after the cleaning up, you do so much damage that a reinstall is still likely
Nov 20 07:21:15 <unique311> well i have another desktop running vista, might just install osx on the on one with the virus
Nov 20 07:21:21 <unique311> osx86 that is.
Nov 20 07:21:43 <l7> how did you get the virus?
Nov 20 07:21:52 <unique311> not sure.
Nov 20 07:22:07 <unique311> playing with stuff i should;ve never been playing with i guess
Nov 20 07:22:09 <l7> ah that's what scares me about running windows
Nov 20 07:22:10 <unique311> my fault
Nov 20 07:22:16 <l7> were you running AVG?
Nov 20 07:22:19 <unique311> yes
Nov 20 07:22:26 <l7> dang
Nov 20 07:22:37 <l7> i run AVG too, but i've heard it doesn't get everything
Nov 20 07:22:45 <unique311> it doesn't
Nov 20 07:23:02 <unique311> my problem with this thing is that the autostart key i can delete
Nov 20 07:23:06 <l7> crap well i guess no more banking on the windoze machine for me
Nov 20 07:23:08 <unique311> and the program itself
Nov 20 07:23:14 <unique311> not really the program
Nov 20 07:23:19 <unique311> but the autostart key
Nov 20 07:23:25 <unique311> lol
Nov 20 07:23:39 <l7> hrm so it keeps trying to start itself?
Nov 20 07:23:45 <unique311> if i cannot delete the key as admin, then im screwed.
Nov 20 07:23:52 <unique311> it starts itself
Nov 20 07:23:58 <l7> yeah, probably better do a reinstall
Nov 20 07:24:07 <unique311> and if im connected to the net, it installs all other types of virus
Nov 20 07:24:17 <unique311> trojans and what not
Nov 20 07:24:28 <l7> yikes
Nov 20 07:24:45 <unique311> should be possible to remove the registry key
Nov 20 07:25:33 <unique311> well i'm home till friday, good workout, i guess
Nov 20 07:25:54 <unique311> didn't have to remove a virus in like 2 years.
Nov 20 07:46:19 <mariorz_> "Suitable USB device not found, waiting
Nov 20 07:46:21 <mariorz_> "
Nov 20 07:46:36 <mariorz_> i swithced the device on and nada, should i wait longer?
Nov 20 07:46:54 <mariorz_> nvm
Nov 20 07:47:26 <Andy80> mariorz_: you've to switch on the device keeping the HOME button pressed
Nov 20 07:48:37 <mariorz_> nothing happende booted normaly
Nov 20 07:52:50 <mariorz_> it think its doing it
Nov 20 07:53:05 <mariorz_> i
Nov 20 07:54:20 <Andy80> no... you should see in the terminal that it's flashing it
Nov 20 07:55:21 <Andy80> mariorz_: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/
Nov 20 07:55:32 <mariorz_> Finishing flashing... done
Nov 20 07:55:35 <mariorz_> its booting :D
Nov 20 07:55:36 <Andy80> mariorz_: NOTE: use flasher-3.0 NOT 2.0
Nov 20 07:55:48 <mariorz_> ehh i used 2.0 im on mac os x
Nov 20 07:55:53 <Andy80> ah ok
Nov 20 07:56:14 <mariorz_> cool  worked
Nov 20 07:56:21 <mariorz_> select lang screen etc
Nov 20 07:57:10 <Andy80> mariorz_: you flashed the latest HE?
Nov 20 07:57:29 <mariorz_> yup
Nov 20 07:57:43 <Andy80> you'll notice a better look :)
Nov 20 07:57:48 <mariorz_> gtk looks better or
Nov 20 07:57:53 <mariorz_> haha yeah was typing
Nov 20 07:58:04 <mariorz_> rawks
Nov 20 07:58:52 <mariorz_> haaha ok now im on the home
Nov 20 07:59:00 <mariorz_> i was impressed by the  prettier dialogs
Nov 20 07:59:22 <truls> hm,any encryptionservices available from python in maemo?
Nov 20 08:00:21 <truls> as in doing simple password-encryption of data before storing to file
Nov 20 08:01:44 <Andy80> truls: store an md5 checksum, instead of password... it could be a solution
Nov 20 08:02:04 <Andy80> really don't know what kind of cripto libraries are available in maemo
Nov 20 08:02:27 <mariorz_> there is no red pill mode on os2007?
Nov 20 08:02:54 <truls> Andy80: i'm doing a password safe-thingy. soo...
Nov 20 08:03:28 <Andy80> mariorz_: yes it should be there...
Nov 20 08:03:50 <mariorz_> i do the matrx cancel thing and no dialog comes up
Nov 20 08:04:01 <Andy80> it works here...
Nov 20 08:04:10 <truls> i might do something easy in C and pyrex it or something, but i'm still such a newb regarding packing stuff so was hoping for a pure python-solution to keep it simple
Nov 20 08:04:10 <mariorz_> ok im doign something wrong
Nov 20 08:04:30 <unique311> i think its a conspiracy, the same companies who make anti virus, are the ones putting these virus.
Nov 20 08:04:57 <truls> only the east europeans
Nov 20 08:05:02 <mariorz_> thats been said since the 80s
Nov 20 08:07:20 <mariorz_> actually now a day with the botnets there is a monetay incentive for viurs/trojan makers
Nov 20 08:07:33 <mariorz_> monetary
Nov 20 08:08:03 <truls> they just need to scare people more
Nov 20 08:08:21 <mariorz_> how so
Nov 20 08:08:39 <truls> i mean the antivirusmakers
Nov 20 08:08:44 <truls> through the botnets
Nov 20 08:08:52 <unique311_> at least i found a fix for this trojan,
Nov 20 08:08:54 <truls> so people buy more antivirus
Nov 20 08:08:58 <unique311_> whatever it is.
Nov 20 08:09:12 <truls> unique311_: windows trojan?
Nov 20 08:09:17 <unique311_> ya
Nov 20 08:09:18 <mariorz_> but the botnet owners are also making moeny no?
Nov 20 08:09:30 <mariorz_> old days virus makers iddnt make moeny directly
Nov 20 08:10:08 <truls> so what did they do?
Nov 20 08:10:14 <mariorz_> there is a bigger incentive for wirting trojans today
Nov 20 08:10:27 <unique311_> whats the incentive?
Nov 20 08:10:33 <truls> girls
Nov 20 08:10:47 <mariorz_> i belive the correct therm is chicz0rs
Nov 20 08:10:56 <truls> ah, i stand corrected
Nov 20 08:11:04 <unique311_> they don't get girls.
Nov 20 08:11:08 <mariorz_> i know
Nov 20 08:11:18 <truls> that's why they need to write trojans
Nov 20 08:11:19 <mariorz_> money dont this botnets make money ?
Nov 20 08:11:22 <unique311_> respect from the scene i guess
Nov 20 08:11:22 <mariorz_> or i read to much wired
Nov 20 08:11:29 <mariorz_> triugh spamiing etc
Nov 20 08:12:11 <truls> depends who hires them
Nov 20 08:12:39 <truls> some might be strongarmed by higher ups.. and don't end up with money
Nov 20 08:12:43 <unique311_> the antivirus companies
Nov 20 08:12:46 <truls> just get to keep their fingers and stuff
Nov 20 08:12:56 <unique311_> hire them
Nov 20 08:13:24 * truls needs python-crypto
Nov 20 08:13:27 <truls> ack
Nov 20 08:13:39 <mariorz_> you really think there is a chippig off fingers type of mafia invloved in this?
Nov 20 08:13:44 <mariorz_> chopping
Nov 20 08:13:58 <truls> i have an active imagination
Nov 20 08:14:07 <truls> so wouldn't be surprised
Nov 20 08:14:13 <mariorz_> haha could be i really have no idea
Nov 20 08:15:36 <unique311_> well disconnected that desktop from the network.
Nov 20 08:16:01 <unique311_> my first love is infested
Nov 20 08:16:06 <unique311_> piss me off
Nov 20 08:16:23 <mariorz_> 98% of virus come troug pron sites
Nov 20 08:16:26 <mariorz_> just saying
Nov 20 08:16:31 <mariorz_> :S
Nov 20 08:16:38 <unique311_> no porn here
Nov 20 08:17:16 <truls> it all got deleted by the trojan?
Nov 20 08:17:17 <mariorz_> also 74% of all statistics ar made up on the spot!
Nov 20 08:17:22 <mariorz_> :P
Nov 20 08:18:46 <unique311_> i kinda fucked up, and ran a keygen in safe mode. :(
Nov 20 08:32:52 <mariorz_> anyone got a link for that osso-xterm package with the shortcuts
Nov 20 08:32:54 <mariorz_> ?
Nov 20 08:33:08 <mariorz_> the on on the maemo repository is the old one i thikn
Nov 20 08:34:07 <czr> mornink
Nov 20 08:34:33 <mariorz_> eveningk more like!
Nov 20 08:34:46 <czr> like mo mornink
Nov 20 08:34:51 * czr pulls up a fight
Nov 20 08:35:11 * mariorz_ gets his stabby tool
Nov 20 08:35:44 * czr puts on his feathery chicken armor
Nov 20 08:36:03 <czr> made of out sacrificial virgin chickens!
Nov 20 08:36:32 <mariorz_> virgin chicks!
Nov 20 08:36:37 <mariorz_> those can fly!
Nov 20 08:36:58 <czr> they can? cool.
Nov 20 08:37:10 <mariorz_> well ofc
Nov 20 08:40:41 * czr grows tired of this chicken & stabby tool game and replaced chicken armor with OMG-its-maemo-armor.
Nov 20 08:40:52 <czr> replaces even
Nov 20 08:42:17 <mariorz_> where dpes the maemo anme come from btw?
Nov 20 08:42:42 <czr> how much will you pay me if I tell you?
Nov 20 08:42:44 <mariorz_> is that a nokia thing?
Nov 20 08:42:51 <czr> note, I already have all the virgin chickens that I need
Nov 20 08:43:17 <czr> it's a nokia trademark nowadays yes, but it wasn't when maemo was launched
Nov 20 08:43:38 <czr> mariorz_, it was generated with pwgen and it looked like something but didn't mean anything.
Nov 20 08:43:44 <suihkulokki> czr: you got it wrong, you need virgins *and* chickens
Nov 20 08:43:57 <mariorz_> i only participate in financial trnasaction via quails nowaday
Nov 20 08:44:00 <czr> suihkulokki, damn, explains a _lot_ of things!
Nov 20 08:44:16 <czr> "now you tell me"
Nov 20 08:44:23 * czr goes to sulk in the corner
Nov 20 08:44:34 <mariorz_> interesting
Nov 20 08:45:56 <czr> mariorz_, legends also tell that if you place three virgin chickens to point at 120 degree intervals at dawn on news-years even in lapland, they will form the letters maemo in the cold freezing air.
Nov 20 08:46:06 <czr> new-years even.
Nov 20 08:46:17 <mariorz_> i heard that one
Nov 20 08:47:30 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 20 08:47:42 <solmumaha> huomenta
Nov 20 08:47:57 <czr> dobroe utro
Nov 20 08:51:47 <czr> solmumaha, your nick somehow reminds me of a hostname of one of my deceased computers. it was suoliharja.
Nov 20 08:53:58 <solmumaha> :)
Nov 20 08:55:10 <solmumaha> friend gave me this nick after a fundoplication surgery
Nov 20 08:55:35 <czr> ah, heh. ok then :-)
Nov 20 08:55:58 <solmumaha> so i actually do have a knot in my stomach
Nov 20 08:56:09 <czr> indeed
Nov 20 08:56:16 <czr> had to look that one up in wikipedia
Nov 20 08:56:39 <solmumaha> can't blame you :)
Nov 20 08:56:54 <czr> it sounded like "fun duplication", but I guess not much fun replicated then
Nov 20 08:58:29 <solmumaha> well i'm having fun now
Nov 20 08:58:43 * czr nods
Nov 20 09:06:59 <mariorz_> the 800 has a faster processor or is the difference only the keyboard?
Nov 20 09:08:06 <czr> mariorz_, keyboard and gps and screen
Nov 20 09:08:24 <czr> and you get one less memory card slots. also it's sligthly smaller
Nov 20 09:08:40 <inz> and heavier
Nov 20 09:08:43 <mariorz_> larger screen?
Nov 20 09:08:51 <czr> mariorz_, the processors are the same on 810 and 800, but you need OS2008 to run them at 400MHz max
Nov 20 09:08:59 <czr> mariorz_, same size screen, better contrast
Nov 20 09:09:14 <mariorz_> is the keyboard good or too small?
Nov 20 09:09:23 <czr> inz, yes, although I can't really tell the two apart by weight
Nov 20 09:09:27 <czr> mariorz_, you'll have to try yourself
Nov 20 09:09:41 <mariorz_> so procesor wise 770 < 800 = 810 ?
Nov 20 09:09:56 <czr> I guess so, if you want to put it that way :-)
Nov 20 09:10:00 <czr> support wise too ;-)
Nov 20 09:10:07 <mariorz_> heh
Nov 20 09:10:18 <mariorz_> i just got a 770 as agift 2 days ago
Nov 20 09:10:27 <czr> ah, I see
Nov 20 09:10:36 <mariorz_> pretty happy even if its unsupported tough :D
Nov 20 09:10:40 <czr> maybe N will come out with 2008HE at some point then
Nov 20 09:10:53 <mariorz_> i had no idea this things existed man!
Nov 20 09:10:58 <mariorz_> with linux!
Nov 20 09:11:04 <czr> mariorz_, you don't use linux a lot I guess? :-)
Nov 20 09:11:14 <mariorz_> i used too along time ago
Nov 20 09:11:16 <czr> ITs have been all over the place when they launched and launch :-)
Nov 20 09:11:34 <czr> they get free press coverage in all linux magazines, it's scary.
Nov 20 09:11:55 <mariorz_> well i kind of stayed out of the IT loppp :P, since i got too college
Nov 20 09:12:15 <mariorz_> used to program and read all kinds of stuff back in hs
Nov 20 09:12:43 <mariorz_> but made a mistake some years ago choosed a wrong carrer and stoped haking.. im getting back to it
Nov 20 09:13:02 <czr> hmm. what did you choose?
Nov 20 09:13:05 <mariorz_> s/carrer/major
Nov 20 09:13:19 <mariorz_> industrial engineering
Nov 20 09:13:30 <mariorz_> boring as hell
Nov 20 09:13:37 <czr> hmm. the sound that collapsing bridges make didn't quite tickle your fancy? :-)
Nov 20 09:14:11 <mariorz_> ha that woudl proabably be more fun!
Nov 20 09:14:17 <mariorz_> alas i dont get to do that
Nov 20 09:14:24 <mariorz_> i oversee quality control
Nov 20 09:14:29 <mariorz_> that kind of lame stuff
Nov 20 09:14:37 <czr> a lot of the industrial engineering stuff is slowly being converted to discrete controllers anyway. just way 10 years, and only embedded software will be used with new installations
Nov 20 09:14:43 <mariorz_> operations reseach is cool tough
Nov 20 09:15:14 <czr> ah. maybe I'm thinking of the wrong kind of industrial engineering. the term is vague. I think on purpose, and my virginal chickens agree.
Nov 20 09:15:28 <mariorz_> lol
Nov 20 09:15:35 <mariorz_> yeah the whole major is vague really
Nov 20 09:16:11 <mariorz_> were administrative engineers who mostly work on manufacturing plants
Nov 20 09:16:40 <mariorz_> its actually lamer thant that sounded
Nov 20 09:16:44 <czr> mm. paper pushing with hard hats?
Nov 20 09:16:50 <mariorz_> exactamundo
Nov 20 09:16:55 * czr gets the picture
Nov 20 09:17:03 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Nov 20 09:22:26 <timelyx> Jaffa: ping
Nov 20 09:32:18 <mariorz_> ehh not to sound like a script kidde but does aircrakc-ptw really work as advertised?
Nov 20 09:33:40 <mariorz_> scary
Nov 20 09:36:58 <matt_c> http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1169511 yay!
Nov 20 09:37:19 <Spakman> Anyone know how to create main menu items to launch a Ruby script in OS2007 or OS2008?
Nov 20 09:42:07 <l7> anyone looking for a semi-bargain on a thinkoutside keyboard?
Nov 20 09:42:32 <l7> looks like they're on sale at midnight box, not sure how good they are though
Nov 20 09:42:47 <timelyx> usb?
Nov 20 09:42:53 <l7> bluetooth
Nov 20 09:43:21 <l7> http://www.igo.com/product.asp?sku=2524884
Nov 20 09:43:37 <l7> they're selling it for $50 + shipping and tax
Nov 20 09:43:50 * timelyx is broke
Nov 20 09:44:38 <l7> ah too bad
Nov 20 09:44:50 <l7> i'd be broke too after buying all this gear :)
Nov 20 09:45:22 <timelyx> traveling is a better way to go broke
Nov 20 09:45:29 * czr votes for drinking
Nov 20 09:45:39 <czr> morning timelyx
Nov 20 09:45:43 <l7> it's slightly cheaper than mobileplanet.com offer that a lot of people on ITT used
Nov 20 09:46:35 <timelyx> drinking is cheaper
Nov 20 09:47:00 <timelyx> morning
Nov 20 09:47:01 <_Monkey> aloha
Nov 20 09:47:24 * timelyx considers kill-toying _Monkey
Nov 20 09:47:34 <timelyx> search  fdjhkhfg dfgfdgf
Nov 20 09:47:44 <l7> anyone know how reliable mobileplanet is?
Nov 20 09:49:14 <czr> timelyx, it is indeed. hence more fun for longer time :-)
Nov 20 09:49:31 <czr> l7, the one that we live on hasn't exploded yet at least
Nov 20 09:52:00 <l7> czr: clever, but i meant mobileplanet.com :)
Nov 20 09:52:22 <l7> i'm a little dubious about ours though
Nov 20 09:52:39 <l7> someone should check the manufacturer warranty
Nov 20 09:52:41 <czr> I wouldn't worry. this little rock will outlast all of us.
Nov 20 09:53:12 <l7> yeah, i guess the rock will be around
Nov 20 09:53:22 <l7> i'll miss the other stuff
Nov 20 09:53:42 <czr> you can always watch DVD remakes of old westerns to remind you how it was
Nov 20 09:53:51 <czr> or maybe even some nature shows :-)
Nov 20 09:54:22 <l7> lol
Nov 20 09:55:48 <l7> some people claim nature is better on HD-DVD than in real life
Nov 20 10:00:35 <czr> only if the disc is enhanced with moistorama and smellorama
Nov 20 10:00:40 <rothiel> hi guys :)
Nov 20 10:00:48 <czr> and tiger-running-after-your-ass-o-rama.
Nov 20 10:03:57 <mariorz_> woot in os 2007 you never leave fullscreen
Nov 20 10:08:00 <czr> in deep space no one can hear you scream
Nov 20 10:08:16 <jumpula> in #maemo no one can hear you scream
Nov 20 10:08:29 <czr> jumpula, yes. #maemo is like deep space.
Nov 20 10:09:52 <czr> in deep Nokia, no one can hear the developers scream
Nov 20 10:10:00 * czr hides & runs
Nov 20 10:10:10 <czr> wearing the chicken-battle-armor
Nov 20 10:11:57 <pupnik> the thinkoutside keyboard was kind of pricey at $120 here
Nov 20 10:12:37 <pupnik> of course this is a converted price; i wasn't paying in imperial federal reserve notes
Nov 20 10:12:54 <czr> you could try to pay them in lemons
Nov 20 10:13:14 <czr> or salt. I hear salt is pretty valuable.
Nov 20 10:15:43 <pupnik> i have never seen a good analysis of why stuff has such different prices in different countries
Nov 20 10:16:08 <czr> marketing
Nov 20 10:16:23 <czr> or market analysis really, not marketing
Nov 20 10:17:14 <pupnik> i think govt is involved.   for e.g. smuggling a thousand N800s in from the USA to germany would have netted you about 120 thousand euros
Nov 20 10:17:42 <czr> that's where import customs will hit you
Nov 20 10:17:44 <pupnik> price difference has been evened out a bit
Nov 20 10:17:46 <czr> also sometimes export customs :-)
Nov 20 10:17:54 <czr> and VAT and all that
Nov 20 10:18:17 <czr> but yeah, it's not a reason, just makes it not very profitable to do it legally
Nov 20 10:18:43 <czr> you can also build market barriers artificially, using DRMesque techniques.
Nov 20 10:18:49 <czr> or CSS for that matter
Nov 20 10:19:45 <pupnik> oh well, food and beer are very cheap where i live
Nov 20 10:20:07 <czr> food is subsidised in most of western countries
Nov 20 10:20:17 <czr> beer partly too (because of grain subsidies)
Nov 20 10:20:34 <pupnik> true
Nov 20 10:20:38 <czr> although you normally also have alcohol tax, to offset things, but still.
Nov 20 10:26:18 <pupnik> alright N810 out in compusa also now
Nov 20 10:27:13 <pupnik> can anybody explain the logic of shipping units to resellers like that, when the nokia stores have zero listings for N810, and zero chances to pre-order?
Nov 20 10:28:03 <pupnik> or why the USA gets products made in Finland first?
Nov 20 10:28:22 <pupnik> i can only hope they're defective
Nov 20 10:29:22 <X-Fade> heh ;) If you could only buy those at US rates... Almost 50% discount for us europeans...
Nov 20 10:40:14 * pupnik ... big time tablet smuggler, flying under the law
Nov 20 10:43:16 <czr> grepping for "internet table" is somewhat humiliating
Nov 20 10:43:52 <czr> "time tablet smuggler"
Nov 20 10:44:00 <czr> way cooler than internet tablets
Nov 20 10:44:13 <czr> hmm. maybe I should buy an N810 as well
Nov 20 10:44:21 <czr> not sure if can be bothered though.
Nov 20 10:45:14 <X-Fade> czr: Readable in daylight, is a main plus for me.
Nov 20 10:45:26 * czr nods
Nov 20 10:50:06 <pupnik> i really thought i could not be persuaded to upgrade, but there are too many things that don't run fast enough on 770
Nov 20 10:50:49 <pupnik> and that's really just lazy programming, but that's what's avaiable
Nov 20 10:50:55 <robtaylor> czr: ooh, now that's what i want in the office, an internet table!
Nov 20 10:50:55 <dubqup> hello there
Nov 20 10:51:05 <pupnik> moo
Nov 20 10:51:26 <czr> robtaylor, if you play your cards right, I might be able to sell you a couple of internet chairs as well
Nov 20 10:52:18 <dubqup> when my n800 is really off (batery was removed first) and i connect it to the ac adapter it boots
Nov 20 10:52:25 <dubqup> how can i turn that off?
Nov 20 10:53:25 <rothiel> reall
Nov 20 10:53:31 <robtaylor> czr: heh:)
Nov 20 10:53:52 <pupnik> dubqup: i don't think you can - charging management is handled in software, if i recall right
Nov 20 10:54:09 <dubqup> czr: maybe you should visit ikea's "internet chattels" section
Nov 20 10:54:36 <dubqup> pupnik: ?
Nov 20 10:54:37 <czr> dubqup, I'm banned from .ikea TLD
Nov 20 10:55:08 <dubqup> czr: top level domain?
Nov 20 10:55:11 <czr> dubqup, tried to convince them that their "maemo kitchen-ware" series violated the nokia trademark
Nov 20 10:55:13 <czr> sure ;-)
Nov 20 10:55:21 <dubqup> kk ;)
Nov 20 10:59:37 <czr> hmm. should trademark violations be filed against the public bugzilla as well?
Nov 20 11:00:50 <alterego> Heh
Nov 20 11:05:45 <alterego> Took them long enough to get glade in pygtk ..
Nov 20 11:06:08 <czr> I wish python+gtk would be first class citizens in maemo
Nov 20 11:06:19 <alterego> I wish that of ruby
Nov 20 11:06:34 <czr> alterego btw, I now mention the using ruby will also be possible "soon" in the material ;-)
Nov 20 11:06:46 <czr> didn't put any link, since couldn't find anything
Nov 20 11:06:55 <alterego> "soon" ..
Nov 20 11:07:00 <czr> if you have something (stable), I can sneak it in
Nov 20 11:07:01 <alterego> It's feature full enough.
Nov 20 11:07:09 <czr> link-wise stable I mean
Nov 20 11:07:14 <alterego> Ah.
Nov 20 11:07:24 <alterego> That'd be http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo
Nov 20 11:07:36 <czr> how stable is that?
Nov 20 11:07:41 <alterego> Perm
Nov 20 11:07:46 <czr> great.
Nov 20 11:08:10 <alterego> Thanks ;)
Nov 20 11:08:33 <dubqup> which one do you like more?
Nov 20 11:08:39 <dubqup> http://mitglied.lycos.de/wawawan/ikia.jpg
Nov 20 11:08:41 <dubqup> or
Nov 20 11:08:44 <dubqup> http://mitglied.lycos.de/wawawan/nokea.jpg
Nov 20 11:09:03 <dubqup> gimp work!
Nov 20 11:09:29 <czr> alterego, done.
Nov 20 11:09:51 <czr> let's see if it survives the review round. /me hopes it does.
Nov 20 11:10:00 <alterego> :)
Nov 20 11:10:09 <dubqup> these are my suggestions to the ikea internet family
Nov 20 11:10:21 <alterego> If only I could get it in extras devel
Nov 20 11:10:31 <murrayc_> czr: It's not a trademark violation if it's not a related product. e.g. Apple Records and Apple Computers.
Nov 20 11:10:47 <czr> murrayc_, ok, trademark dilution then
Nov 20 11:10:51 <alterego> I don't want to setup my own deb repo >:(
Nov 20 11:10:58 <murrayc_> czr: Good luck at law school.
Nov 20 11:10:59 <dubqup> alterego: why not?
Nov 20 11:11:02 <alterego> Hah
Nov 20 11:11:14 <alterego> There are enough debian repositories for maemo already.
Nov 20 11:11:32 <dubqup> a bunch of scripts to keep it up to date with fresh builds...
Nov 20 11:11:38 <czr> murrayc_, so I guess the maemo trademark usage guidelines can be used as toilet paper then?
Nov 20 11:11:48 <alterego> Not to mention I'd have to learn how to set it up and maintain it.
Nov 20 11:11:48 <dubqup> alterego: and dead references are a must!
Nov 20 11:12:05 <dubqup> alterego: setting it up is quite easy...
Nov 20 11:12:20 <dubqup> building 'nice' packages is much more work ;)
Nov 20 11:12:24 <alterego> Still, I don't have the time now and what would be the point?
Nov 20 11:13:09 <alterego> Though I was thinking of converting all the gems I could find into debs,
Nov 20 11:13:37 <alterego> I don't think that's a great idea as the application manager would grow substantially ..
Nov 20 11:14:37 <czr> personally I don't like the Extras-menu any more
Nov 20 11:14:41 <czr> it's too crowded
Nov 20 11:15:09 <alterego> You could reorganise it ;)
Nov 20 11:15:23 * czr doesn't look like he cares much
Nov 20 11:15:38 <dubqup> czr: do you know how i can 'install' an app with it's menu-entry outside 'extras' in the 'startmenu' ?
Nov 20 11:15:50 <czr> dubqup, I don't know much
Nov 20 11:16:00 <czr> and my legal career is borked too, thanks to murrayc_
Nov 20 11:16:16 <alterego> Hah
Nov 20 11:16:27 <dubqup> czr: who does??
Nov 20 11:17:26 <czr> dubqup, hang around, maybe someone will know
Nov 20 11:17:50 <lardman> morning all
Nov 20 11:18:45 <pupnik> greets lardman
Nov 20 11:18:50 <alterego> I think it's unfair the US get N810's before the UK :(
Nov 20 11:18:58 <alterego> The UK is _closer_ to finland!
Nov 20 11:19:54 <czr> maybe NZ got them first then
Nov 20 11:20:11 <alterego> They're going the wrong way around the planet?
Nov 20 11:20:41 <pupnik> maybe european distributors are just lazy
Nov 20 11:21:03 * alterego weeps
Nov 20 11:21:18 <alterego> czr, if I give you my discount code will you mail me an N810? :D
Nov 20 11:21:23 <inz> dubqup, I think there's no official way to put it to certain menu, but there's a way to present the user with a selection dialog
Nov 20 11:21:24 <dubqup> maybee finland is just a bit crazy.... as everyone is ;)
Nov 20 11:21:33 <czr> alterego, I don't know if they're on sale here
Nov 20 11:21:40 <dubqup> inz: where does it store the information??
Nov 20 11:21:45 <lardman> bigger market in the US, plus more publicity
Nov 20 11:21:46 <bedboi> is there any unofficial ETA/rumor for European distribution
Nov 20 11:21:50 <dubqup> so i could set it manually (from a script)
Nov 20 11:21:55 <inz> dubqup, no idea
Nov 20 11:22:07 <dubqup> inz: so how can i show the dialog?
Nov 20 11:22:09 <pupnik> bedboi: expansis was talking about end of november
Nov 20 11:22:12 <pupnik> sys
Nov 20 11:22:21 <bedboi> oh damn.
Nov 20 11:22:22 <alterego> bedboi, some time in the not so distant future. That help? :)
Nov 20 11:22:30 <lardman> Quim did say they are working behind the scenes
Nov 20 11:22:36 <bedboi> alterego: no, i hate the fuzzy dates :)
Nov 20 11:22:42 <alterego> In my mind if is pretty much the end of november :)
Nov 20 11:23:04 <alterego> Some time in the next 8 days then? :)
Nov 20 11:23:04 <bedboi> yep, i guess that's a fair date, and i'm quite confident nokia is working hard to do this asap
Nov 20 11:23:15 <alterego> Doesn't seem like much of a wait but it sure feels like it ^_^
Nov 20 11:23:22 <lardman> :) tell me about it!
Nov 20 11:23:43 <inz> dubqup, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/making_application_packages.html
Nov 20 11:23:46 <alterego> But we should probably all relax a bit :)
Nov 20 11:23:55 <inz> dubqup, section "Utilities to use in maintainer scripts"
Nov 20 11:24:48 <pupnik> and hardware doesn't magically get copied like software when it's done
Nov 20 11:25:24 <pupnik> anybody know where they're being manufactured?
Nov 20 11:25:25 <alterego> I just hope by the time I find out that it's been launched in this country it's not sold out before I order one ;)
Nov 20 11:25:51 <czr> lardman, actually quim said they're working silently ;-)
Nov 20 11:26:05 <vegai> has it been launched anywhere yet?
Nov 20 11:26:10 <czr> vegai, US
Nov 20 11:26:10 <alterego> Hahah
Nov 20 11:26:40 * alterego contemplates ordering one from the US.
Nov 20 11:26:58 * vegai contemplates doing something useful meanwhile :-P
Nov 20 11:27:18 <alterego> I could get it posted to a APO ..
Nov 20 11:27:33 * czr wonders whether to eat first, work later, or work later and eat first.
Nov 20 11:28:13 <alterego> He's a funny one is Quim Gil :)
Nov 20 11:28:32 <alterego> I suppose in his position you've got to have a sense of humour.
Nov 20 11:29:29 <inz> czr, multitask!
Nov 20 11:29:39 <czr> inz, makes my brain hurt :-)
Nov 20 11:29:55 <czr> it will just all end up badly, filled with NAO failed! messages
Nov 20 11:29:59 <alterego> You should try drinking what I had last night :/
Nov 20 11:30:15 <czr> alterego, drinking sounds perfect right now
Nov 20 11:30:22 <alterego> Hah
Nov 20 11:35:27 <lardman> koen: ping
Nov 20 11:36:38 <inz> czr, upgrade your brain to multi-core
Nov 20 11:37:03 <czr> inz, wouldn't that lead to race-conditions?
Nov 20 11:37:26 <czr> I'm still running squshyOS 0.1 from 76 you know.
Nov 20 11:37:32 <czr> none of this fancy 2000s thingies
Nov 20 11:37:37 <czr> squishyeven
Nov 20 11:38:15 <inz> czr, then you need to upgrade your software too ;)
Nov 20 11:38:40 <czr> damn, but I like my 0.2 bit memories :-)
Nov 20 11:39:15 <czr> maybe food is the strategically correct choice now though.
Nov 20 11:39:35 <czr> inz, I added the dilbert strip to the release notes of the material now
Nov 20 11:39:45 <czr> I put in under: 3. Important motivational comic strip
Nov 20 11:39:56 <czr> (this one: http://matin.maapallo.org/site.pl/selain/?c=dilbert&i=2258 )
Nov 20 11:42:35 <suihkulokki> czr: you should embed something like "if this text is left here, nobody bothered to review this documentation. Use at your own risk"
Nov 20 11:42:51 <czr> suihkulokki, who says I haven't?
Nov 20 11:42:59 <suihkulokki> :P
Nov 20 11:43:13 <czr> :-)
Nov 20 11:43:34 <czr> infact, a lot of those things have gone unnoticed so far through each and every review :-)
Nov 20 11:43:43 <czr> but they're more subtle
Nov 20 11:44:36 <alterego> I wish I didn't have to work. Then I could play with ruby-maemo all day every day :)
Nov 20 11:46:54 <inz> czr, =)
Nov 20 11:47:34 <Veggen_> my goal is to own 2.5 million euro. That should be enough for living off the interests for the rest of your life ;)
Nov 20 11:47:57 <Veggen_> (and then I should do only open source things - and/or just things I want :)
Nov 20 11:48:38 <alterego> Yeah, that'd be fun.
Nov 20 11:48:49 <alterego> There should be some kind of grant that makes that possible :)
Nov 20 11:49:14 <czr> inz, fitting, isn't it? :-)
Nov 20 11:49:31 <inz> czr, yeah
Nov 20 11:51:06 <czr> food & nap ->
Nov 20 11:51:12 <lardman> Anyone Mamona related on here atm?
Nov 20 11:51:17 <alterego> Pffft ..
Nov 20 11:51:21 <alterego> A nap at this time of the day?
Nov 20 11:51:38 <alterego> It'd be all right .. If you were 2! :P
Nov 20 11:52:42 <czr> alterego, I always nap after food. keeps me going into the night :-)
Nov 20 11:52:58 <czr> always = when working at home
Nov 20 11:53:53 <alterego> Interesting.
Nov 20 11:53:58 <alterego> I wish I could do that :P
Nov 20 11:54:06 <alterego> I always want a nap after breakfast.
Nov 20 12:00:12 <pupnik> funny thing is going on welfare means you can spend your time programming and doing whatever you want - as long as it doesn't cost money
Nov 20 12:04:50 <alterego> Yeah, welfare isn't much in this country at all.
Nov 20 12:04:56 <alterego> Barely enough to live.
Nov 20 12:06:32 <derf> I think that's kind of the idea.
Nov 20 12:07:15 <alterego> Even if you're on disability ?
Nov 20 12:07:50 <derf> In this country disability and welfare are different things.
Nov 20 12:07:59 <alterego> They are here too.
Nov 20 12:08:09 <alterego> I was pointing out that disability is also very small :)
Nov 20 12:08:26 <derf> Well, that sounds like a legitimate complaint.
Nov 20 12:13:10 <L0cutus> hello
Nov 20 12:13:19 <L0cutus> anyone is using synergy on n800 ?
Nov 20 12:13:46 <pupnik> any productive work that results in > 50% the product of your labor being taken by force is not worth engaging in
Nov 20 12:14:07 <pupnik> L0cutus: yes many people
Nov 20 12:15:09 <dubqup> inz: ty!
Nov 20 12:15:16 <L0cutus> pupnik: if i have understand well this thing (synergy) on my pc i switch to n800 with mouse
Nov 20 12:15:31 <pupnik> yes
Nov 20 12:15:36 <L0cutus> (direction i have configured on synergy.conf)
Nov 20 12:15:56 <pupnik> and synergys runs on pc and synergyc runs on n800
Nov 20 12:16:01 <L0cutus> after that, mous isn't visible at all true ?
Nov 20 12:16:07 <L0cutus> mouse*
Nov 20 12:16:12 <pupnik> yes.  but you can change this
Nov 20 12:16:23 <L0cutus> hu ?
Nov 20 12:16:30 <pupnik> you can make mouse appear on n800
Nov 20 12:16:34 <L0cutus> n800 doesn't have mouse pointer
Nov 20 12:16:39 <L0cutus> how ?
Nov 20 12:16:47 <pupnik> synergy?
Nov 20 12:16:48 <_Monkey> synergy is mouse and keyboard sharing between computer and tablet:  https://garage.maemo.org/projects/synergy2/   https://garage.maemo.org/projects/unique311/   and for 770  http://pupnik.de/synergy-maemo_1.3.1-1_armel.deb
Nov 20 12:16:57 <pupnik> hmm  there is a script
Nov 20 12:17:35 <L0cutus> for now all is functioning ok but no visible mouse pointr on n800
Nov 20 12:18:43 <L0cutus> i have read this guide: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9009
Nov 20 12:21:15 <pupnik> you just need one command in the shell.  but i forgot it
Nov 20 12:23:00 <L0cutus> uaz :)
Nov 20 12:23:09 <L0cutus> i try to search on itt
Nov 20 12:24:59 <pupnik> i tried too, maybe the synergy projects on garage have the howto
Nov 20 12:25:01 <pupnik> sorry
Nov 20 12:27:27 <X-Fade> L0cutus: The mouse pointer icon is replaced by a transparant one. That is why you don't see it, IIRC.
Nov 20 12:28:03 <L0cutus> X-Fade: so no solution ?
Nov 20 12:28:13 <X-Fade> L0cutus: Just replace the icon? :)
Nov 20 12:28:52 <L0cutus> hem how ? :D
Nov 20 12:29:50 <X-Fade> Find the file and copy another over it?
Nov 20 12:30:30 <dubqup> lol
Nov 20 12:30:39 <pupnik> the first time i copied a cursor over the transparent nokia X cursor
Nov 20 12:30:53 <pupnik> but there is a trick that just involves moving files in the /home/user directory
Nov 20 12:31:09 <X-Fade> pupnik: .icons perhaps?
Nov 20 12:31:36 <X-Fade> xcursor-transparent in /home/user/.icons
Nov 20 12:31:42 <pupnik> that's it
Nov 20 12:31:59 <pupnik> i think
Nov 20 12:32:07 <X-Fade>  xcursor-transparent -> /usr/share/icons/xcursor-transparent
Nov 20 12:32:16 <X-Fade> So just change that symlink
Nov 20 12:37:37 <alterego> Hmm .. microb doesn't do image scaling?
Nov 20 12:44:59 <dubqup> alterego: isn't microb from southpark?
Nov 20 13:00:52 <X-Fade> alterego: It doesn't scale backgrounds at least. I filed a bug for that..
Nov 20 13:02:03 <X-Fade> No replies from the microb team after 2007-08-02 though.
Nov 20 13:02:04 <X-Fade> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1671
Nov 20 13:04:21 <alterego> Not just backgrounds. All images.
Nov 20 13:04:25 <alterego> Doesn't do any scaling.
Nov 20 13:04:47 <alterego> Unless you're viewing it as an image. Which it does that zoom out thing like firefox.
Nov 20 13:06:09 <X-Fade> alterego: Please add that to that bug?
Nov 20 13:10:03 <alterego> Sure, in a bit.
Nov 20 13:24:42 <Spakman> alterego: can the ruby-maemo bindings access bluetooth devices? I've got a GPS device I'm trying to get some NMEA info from (OS2008)
Nov 20 13:24:43 <Jaffa> alterego: so a 1x1 grey gif shown with <img src="dot.gif" width="100" height="100" /> will display as a single pixel?
Nov 20 13:25:03 <alterego> Jaffa, I believe so.
Nov 20 13:25:10 <alterego> I've been doing the opposite.
Nov 20 13:25:20 <alterego> And it's cliping my images
Nov 20 13:37:52 <Jaffa> alterego: blimey, that's a corker of a bug
Nov 20 13:39:16 <alterego> I was wondering whether it was a feature ;)
Nov 20 14:12:10 <truls> hm, strange, i can ssh in to my n800 as root and start my program manually, but not using ssh directly....
Nov 20 14:12:31 <truls> (NameError: global name '_gtk' is not defined)
Nov 20 14:12:41 <truls> python gtk thing
Nov 20 14:12:42 <fysa> DISPLAY=:0.0
Nov 20 14:12:44 <L0cutus> also via ssh i'm unable ti unstall programs
Nov 20 14:12:45 <fysa> ?
Nov 20 14:12:54 <L0cutus> ti=to
Nov 20 14:12:56 <truls> doh
Nov 20 14:12:57 <truls> maybe
Nov 20 14:13:29 <L0cutus> when it ask 'source is not certified etc...'install ? (y/N)
Nov 20 14:13:43 <L0cutus> even if i press y it exit
Nov 20 14:13:45 <truls> fysa: thanks :)
Nov 20 14:13:53 <fysa> cool
Nov 20 14:14:03 <truls> fysa: was confused by the fact that it worked when ssh-ing in
Nov 20 14:14:56 <truls> wow, that messed up all the theme-settings of the application in a cool way
Nov 20 14:15:08 <fysa> doh
Nov 20 14:15:11 <fysa> maybe you can 'su user'
Nov 20 14:15:33 <truls> i'll just ssh in as the user directly i guess
Nov 20 14:15:38 <truls> just have to set a password
Nov 20 14:19:04 <JesperCheetah> I've just managed to install ejabberd along with jjigw, and would like to use these from my N800. However, I can't figure out how to set my nickname? It works fine with Psi, which has a nice nickname field
Nov 20 14:19:14 <truls> hm, no go
Nov 20 14:19:27 <truls> guess environment might not be properly set...
Nov 20 14:23:04 <Tak-> truls: do `python -V` both ways?
Nov 20 14:23:41 <truls> both ways?
Nov 20 14:25:40 <truls> version is 2.5.1
Nov 20 14:27:14 <skibur> hello fellow hackers
Nov 20 14:27:50 <truls> Tak-: confused
Nov 20 14:29:29 <Tak-> nvm
Nov 20 14:30:52 <timeless> jaffa: ping
Nov 20 14:33:43 <Spakman> alterego: can the ruby-maemo bindings access bluetooth devices? I've got a GPS device I'm trying to get some NMEA info from (OS2008)
Nov 20 14:34:23 <truls> ok, running through the busybox shell seems to fix things
Nov 20 14:34:23 <alterego> Spakman, should you not be going through gpsd?
Nov 20 14:34:32 <truls> ssh user@192.168.11.4 -t "DISPLAY=:0.0 sh --login -c ./yaysafe.py"
Nov 20 14:35:08 <truls> actually DISPLAY and -t aren't needed either
Nov 20 14:36:25 <Jaffa> timless: pong
Nov 20 14:36:39 <timeless> you never finished off the bug filing :(~
Nov 20 14:36:57 <Jaffa> Ah, true. I got distracted by other work.
Nov 20 14:43:23 <alterego> That's interesting. After I restarted the browser the images are resized properly.
Nov 20 14:43:32 <alterego> Guess it's not a missing feature after all.
Nov 20 14:43:54 <lophyte> hey all'
Nov 20 14:43:56 <kaltsi> hmm where can I get libglade2-0.. ukmp doesn't want to install without it
Nov 20 14:44:18 <lophyte> kaltsi, thanks for the help last night.. got my n800 working again
Nov 20 14:44:29 <kaltsi> lophyte: oh good to hear :)
Nov 20 14:44:36 <lophyte> the continuous rebooting scared me
Nov 20 14:44:55 <lophyte> I had to flash it so I lost all my installed apps..
Nov 20 14:45:14 <kaltsi> that's unfortunate :(
Nov 20 14:45:28 <lophyte> yeah, oh well
Nov 20 14:51:52 <lophyte> my wireless network at home doesn't work well with my n800 for some reason
Nov 20 14:52:30 <penguinbait> lophyte, mine either
Nov 20 14:52:46 <lophyte> what router do you have?
Nov 20 14:53:06 <penguinbait> i replaced my ap yesterday, now it works great
Nov 20 14:53:14 <lophyte> nice
Nov 20 14:53:24 <lophyte> my ap is a linux box with a wireless card
Nov 20 14:53:27 <lophyte> with buggy drivers
Nov 20 14:53:27 <penguinbait> it was old linksys wap2.2
Nov 20 14:53:38 <penguinbait> ah
Nov 20 14:53:59 <L0cutus> seems the synergy cursor on n800 is show only inside applications, not on maemo interface, is this ok ?
Nov 20 14:54:17 <penguinbait> that linksys has always had problems with  770/800
Nov 20 14:54:17 <lophyte> I'm hoping to get a linksys wrt54-gl
Nov 20 14:54:25 <lophyte> hopefully that'll fix it up
Nov 20 14:54:58 <penguinbait> i got a free netgear, its working great
Nov 20 14:58:42 <lophyte> nice
Nov 20 14:58:51 <penguinbait> I just used Kword on n800 to print business cards
Nov 20 14:58:54 <lophyte> I have a preference toward linksys...
Nov 20 14:58:55 <penguinbait> sweet
Nov 20 14:59:46 <penguinbait> I like linksys also, I had problems with my last one, but it was running dlink firmware :)
Nov 20 15:00:32 <truls> ack, brain is frying from trying to make this python-app friendly (and runnably) on both desktop and hildon
Nov 20 15:01:26 <L0cutus> pupnik: is this the script you mean ? : https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1121
Nov 20 15:11:27 <vishnu_> is there a wireless-tools port for os2008?
Nov 20 15:14:17 <X-Fade> Hmm Nokia released a beta for a video converter for Windows. http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/videoconverter
Nov 20 15:30:10 * czr peeks
Nov 20 15:32:00 * jumpula pokes
Nov 20 15:35:48 * czr eeks
Nov 20 15:35:59 * czr emulates a monocolor sprite
Nov 20 15:37:30 <czr> kaltsi, you lazy boy! I see that 2313 is still unresolved :-)
Nov 20 15:39:24 <kaltsi> czr I won't fix that myself, hopefully someone grabs the ball
Nov 20 15:39:37 <czr> salty chocolate?
Nov 20 15:39:47 <kaltsi> tomorrow we have a meeting and I'll ask about that one too
Nov 20 15:40:01 <czr> sure. it's not that critical to me anyway, now that I know to avoid it :-)
Nov 20 15:40:11 <czr> 2312 is more important
Nov 20 15:41:06 <kaltsi> what I did though.. I added a delay feature to screenshot-tool :)
Nov 20 15:41:16 * matt_c wonders if anyone has spotted OS2008 for the N800 yet
Nov 20 15:41:47 <czr> kaltsi, which one? I thought inz was behind the mh-snapshot-thingy
Nov 20 15:42:01 <kaltsi> just a command line util screenshot-tool
Nov 20 15:42:01 <czr> s/snapshot/screenshot/
Nov 20 15:42:02 <infobot> czr meant: kaltsi, which one? I thought inz was behind the mh-screenshot-thingy
Nov 20 15:42:08 <czr> bleh.
Nov 20 15:42:30 <Tieku> hello!
Nov 20 15:42:45 <czr> yeah, delays are pretty useful in screenshotting stuff. too bad none of the themes on the device are copyright free?
Nov 20 15:42:50 <kaltsi> howdy
Nov 20 15:43:04 <Tieku> i just got my n800 this morning :) any avilable for a couple of quick questions? - struggling to find answers
Nov 20 15:43:36 <kaltsi> ask away, maybe someone knows the answer :)
Nov 20 15:43:42 <czr> Tieku, just drop your questions on this channel and see what happens :-)
Nov 20 15:43:49 <Tieku> cheers
Nov 20 15:44:31 <Tieku> is it possible/easy to access samba shares through the n800? why am i only finding resources for the n770 :-S
Nov 20 15:44:44 <dubqup> 9783827372055
Nov 20 15:45:29 <czr> Tieku, not directly out of the box. not sure how difficult it would be to build the cifs driver for the device though.
Nov 20 15:45:52 <czr> or you could go userspace and use smbclient or something like that, porting that shouldn't be that hard.
Nov 20 15:46:24 <amr> you can do it using the 770? :o
Nov 20 15:46:25 <Tieku> i've never ported anything :-S this is soundunng tricky. thanks for yuour advice.
Nov 20 15:46:34 <Tieku> is anyone running 2008 on an n800?
Nov 20 15:46:49 <czr> Tieku, I'd consider finding alternatives first if building per se sounds scary. scp maybe?
Nov 20 15:47:01 <czr> Tieku, yes.
Nov 20 15:47:05 <Tieku> czr: what is scp?
Nov 20 15:47:06 <_Monkey> scp is a means of securely transferring computer files between a local and a remote host or between two remote hosts, using the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. SCP means Secure Copy (See openssh)
Nov 20 15:47:19 <czr> damn, _Monkey is useful at least once during it's lifetime
Nov 20 15:47:28 <Tieku> :-) quick too
Nov 20 15:47:46 <czr> she's a quick little monkey
Nov 20 15:48:07 <Tak> I use scp/gftp for all my file transfer needs
Nov 20 15:48:51 <Tieku> I didn't want to transfer just read from... there seems to be some apps on maemo but struggled to install them
Nov 20 15:49:08 <Tieku> what are the top community sites for working on an n800?
Nov 20 15:49:54 <czr> maemo.org at least has some links to them
Nov 20 15:49:59 <czr> you could start there
Nov 20 15:51:12 <czr> interestingly enough the site doesn't work for me right now. hmm.
Nov 20 15:51:18 <Tak> hooray!
Nov 20 15:51:33 <czr> tak :-)
Nov 20 15:51:45 <Tieku> i've been using it for a few days. sometimes its down for long periods
Nov 20 15:51:49 <czr> but it isn't even late night or anything, why did it break down already?
Nov 20 15:52:26 <Tieku> working for me now. who runs it?
Nov 20 15:52:30 <czr> bleh. bugzilla works.
Nov 20 15:52:49 <czr> Tieku, some non-nokia company
Nov 20 15:53:03 <czr> ah, works here too. now.
Nov 20 15:53:50 <Tieku> czr: which tablet are you using?
Nov 20 15:54:10 <czr> hmm. none really. but I have them all :-)
Nov 20 15:54:27 <czr> have = they're in front of me, while I don't technically own them all.
Nov 20 15:54:49 <Tieku> which os do you have running on your n800?
Nov 20 15:54:56 <czr> 2008
Nov 20 15:55:01 <Tieku> :-D
Nov 20 15:55:09 <czr> unreleased version.
Nov 20 15:55:20 <Tieku> have you a link to a howto?
Nov 20 15:55:25 <czr> howto on what?
Nov 20 15:55:31 <Tieku> install 2008
Nov 20 15:55:38 <Tieku> flash*
Nov 20 15:55:40 <czr> I don't think it's available for N800 officially yet.
Nov 20 15:55:54 <X-Fade> Tieku: He has an official 2008 flash file from Nokia directly ;)
Nov 20 15:56:04 <X-Fade> Not that 'hack'.
Nov 20 15:56:05 <Tieku> i know. but i read about it before getting the handset. it was my intention
Nov 20 15:56:10 <czr> some people have installed the 2008 image that was meant for N810 on their N800. but that's not really what you want to do.
Nov 20 15:56:29 <Tieku> czr: is that not what you have done?
Nov 20 15:56:39 <czr> Tieku, no. see what x-fade wrote.
Nov 20 15:56:40 <Tieku> oh i see. thanks x-fade
Nov 20 15:56:57 * Tieku stumped...
Nov 20 15:57:11 <czr> I'd think the 2008 release will be soon available. don't know when though.
Nov 20 15:57:40 <Tieku> which browser engine is 2008 using?
Nov 20 15:57:45 <czr> microb
Nov 20 15:57:46 <_Monkey> microb is the nokia sponsored gtk2-cairo hack of gecko for use by /usr/bin/browser via eal on n800 (4.2007)
Nov 20 15:58:01 <Tieku> cool
Nov 20 15:58:10 <Tieku> is there a 2007 including microb?
Nov 20 15:58:22 <czr> hmm. I think the latest 2007HE for the 770 has it
Nov 20 15:58:27 <czr> but for N800, no.
Nov 20 15:58:29 <X-Fade> Tieku: browser.garage.maemo.org
Nov 20 15:58:41 <X-Fade> You can download it there for N800.
Nov 20 15:58:43 <czr> ah, yes. you can install microb yourself of course :-)
Nov 20 15:58:45 <Tieku> why is the 770 so active compared to the n800?
Nov 20 15:58:54 <cesman> 2008 does look great!  However, unless the app(s) you use have been ported, I'd suggest waiting.
Nov 20 15:59:04 <Tieku> X-Fade: thanks!
Nov 20 15:59:06 * cesman flashed back after a day
Nov 20 15:59:07 <czr> Tieku, it's not really :-)
Nov 20 15:59:38 <Tieku> im very new and currently using no apps. keen to have a good browser and ideally samba access
Nov 20 15:59:52 <czr> transparent smb?
Nov 20 16:00:44 <Tieku> i dont know what you mean be transparent smb. i have a nas drive running samba which i would like to access the files
Nov 20 16:01:40 <fysa> Anyone here with an N810 that can comment on typing speed/ease with the pull-out versus on-screen?
Nov 20 16:01:44 <czr> transparent = so that you don't copy files first in order to use them
Nov 20 16:02:05 <czr> fysa, the hw keyboard feel is very subjective.
Nov 20 16:02:17 <czr> some people get used to it quickly, some don't.
Nov 20 16:02:20 <Tieku> yes its transparent i want :)
Nov 20 16:02:47 <fysa> I guess the biggest boost would be the extra screen space you gain by not needing the vkb..
Nov 20 16:02:57 <czr> Tieku, you might want to google some more, or if you can't find anything, you might want to ask on maemo-users mailing list (seek more wisdom in maemo.org)
Nov 20 16:03:35 <czr> fysa, it is convenient, yes. esp with x-term
Nov 20 16:03:46 <Tieku> czr thanks. googling has been difficult so far :) but will keep at it
Nov 20 16:04:07 <czr> Tieku, do a search on maemo-user archives then. if you find nothing, post an email there. I'm sure you're not alone.
Nov 20 16:04:15 <Tieku> X-Fade: im downloading RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin is that a OS file i need to flash?
Nov 20 16:04:21 <czr> technically packaging together a cifs driver shouldn't be all that impossible.
Nov 20 16:04:27 <zoran> Tieku, something liek samba client?
Nov 20 16:04:37 <Tieku> i've read alot about it happening just not had any luck.
Nov 20 16:04:38 <czr> zoran, transparent one
Nov 20 16:04:42 <Tieku> zoran: yes
Nov 20 16:04:56 <zoran> in ports for gregale I see a lot of stuff like that
Nov 20 16:05:13 <czr> I'm thinking of either an smb module for gnome-vfs or the cifs driver directly to the kernel
Nov 20 16:05:28 <czr> not sure how'd you enter smb-uris for gnomevfs in the file manager though.
Nov 20 16:05:32 <czr> or media player for that matter
Nov 20 16:05:39 <zoran> lemme check some perl/python option
Nov 20 16:06:30 <Tieku> does anyone know what sort of file  RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin is?
Nov 20 16:06:46 <lophyte> yeah its a bin file
Nov 20 16:06:58 <lophyte> as in. bin(ary)
Nov 20 16:07:02 <JesperCheetah> Seems like more people are awake now, so I'll just repeat my question from hours ago :)
Nov 20 16:07:03 <czr> combined fiasco I think
Nov 20 16:07:05 <Tieku> :-) binary.... hmm badly put question
Nov 20 16:07:06 <JesperCheetah> I've just managed to install ejabberd along with jjigw, and would like to use these from my N800. However, I can't figure out how to set my nickname? It works fine with Psi, which has a nice nickname field
Nov 20 16:07:36 <bill20r3>  /nick ?
Nov 20 16:07:39 <Tieku> how do i install this binary file onto a n800? - via windows
Nov 20 16:07:47 <zoran> hm, found a lot python samba modules; it could take days to rad all
Nov 20 16:08:04 <JesperCheetah> /nick doesn't work. It just gets printed in the channel as any other message
Nov 20 16:08:26 <Tieku> zoran, thanks for checking that out. but im very new so i'll hold back for a bit untill i've found my feet
Nov 20 16:08:33 <JesperCheetah> And besides, it would be nice if I could set the nick before I even join any channels
Nov 20 16:08:46 <zoran> Tieku, or samba with fuse?
Nov 20 16:08:56 <Tieku> :-S what is fuse?
Nov 20 16:09:02 <zoran> there is a link on swik.net
Nov 20 16:09:17 <czr> Tieku, http://europe.nokia.com/A4305010 (windows flasher/updater)
Nov 20 16:09:40 <Tieku> czr: thankyou very much :D
Nov 20 16:09:49 <czr> Tieku, thank google
Nov 20 16:10:27 <Tieku> googles not been helpful to me today. lots of new terms to learn :)
Nov 20 16:13:18 <lophyte> is there a quick and easy way to remove a bunch of packages from the n800?
Nov 20 16:13:23 <lophyte> ie. all the localization files
Nov 20 16:13:40 <lophyte> apt-get doesn't accept wildcards :\
Nov 20 16:13:49 <suihkulokki> rm -rf /
Nov 20 16:14:00 <amr> heh
Nov 20 16:14:03 <lophyte> nice try
Nov 20 16:14:03 <Jaffa> bergie/X-Fade: cron died on planet again?
Nov 20 16:14:05 <lophyte> :P
Nov 20 16:14:10 <derf> for i in ... ; do apt-get ... ; done
Nov 20 16:14:18 <bergie> Jaffa: I guess so... damn virtual server
Nov 20 16:14:28 <X-Fade> Jaffa: No, it has been stopped for the account reconstruction..
Nov 20 16:14:31 <lophyte> yeah I guess that works, but it involves typing out all the packages...
Nov 20 16:14:32 <X-Fade> Or undelete..
Nov 20 16:14:58 <derf> No, get apt to dump the list to a file.
Nov 20 16:15:33 <lophyte> rm..
Nov 20 16:15:40 <lophyte> I know dpkg has an option for it
Nov 20 16:15:42 <lophyte> somewhere...
Nov 20 16:17:13 <lophyte> apt-cache pkgnames I think would work
Nov 20 16:17:49 <zoran> lophyte, there is about million locale files !
Nov 20 16:18:25 <zoran> removing them from app manager is close to impossible
Nov 20 16:18:37 <lophyte> yeah I'm not using app manager
Nov 20 16:18:49 <zoran> some script that reads list and removes via whatever...
Nov 20 16:19:14 <bill20r3> anyone tried mame on a n810(or N800 with n810 firware?)  I'm wondering if the extra speed makes it playable.
Nov 20 16:19:31 <zoran> ls *extension | apt-get remove -
Nov 20 16:19:45 <Tak> it's already playable, depending on the game
Nov 20 16:21:10 <bill20r3> well, lets say "playable on more games" then.
Nov 20 16:21:37 <czr> spellechecker suggests replacing Nokia with Nikita!
Nov 20 16:21:43 * Tak shrugs
Nov 20 16:22:00 <Tak> I doubt a few MHz boost is going to make a big difference
Nov 20 16:22:04 <czr> I wonder if anyone would notice if I'd do a quick sed-job
Nov 20 16:23:05 <lardman> Tak: 20%
Nov 20 16:24:51 * Tak continue doubting
Nov 20 16:25:15 <Tak> I'd like to see people trying xmame and fceu on N810 just so I could get some feedback, though ;-)
Nov 20 16:26:58 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ah. ETA?
Nov 20 16:27:52 <amr> is the n810 capable of a 3d racing game?
Nov 20 16:27:55 <amr> i might buy one if so ;)
Nov 20 16:28:06 <lophyte> nice, it works too
Nov 20 16:28:14 <lophyte> apt-get remove `apt-cache pkgnames osso-imageviewer`
Nov 20 16:28:53 <Tak> no 3d hardware acceleration yet
Nov 20 16:29:01 <amr> pah
Nov 20 16:29:02 <lardman> I like the yet
Nov 20 16:29:08 <amr> lol
Nov 20 16:29:19 <Tieku> i got the new microb installed :) more ajax sites work now!
Nov 20 16:30:07 <amr> wooawoo
Nov 20 16:30:17 <czr> Tieku, now you get a cleaner internet experience
Nov 20 16:30:23 <shackan> does google reader work at last?
Nov 20 16:30:41 <kulve> mobile version has worked always :)
Nov 20 16:30:45 <Tieku> hmmm im imagine so
Nov 20 16:30:47 <kulve> pretty simple though..
Nov 20 16:30:48 <Tieku> netvibes works :)
Nov 20 16:30:55 <Tieku> i'll test some google apps
Nov 20 16:31:02 <X-Fade> Even renders the ACID2 test nicely..
Nov 20 16:37:17 <Tieku> amazing microb
Nov 20 16:38:26 <lophyte> arrrgh
Nov 20 16:38:32 * lophyte needs to stop tinkering
Nov 20 16:38:57 <lophyte> acidentally removed osso-browser
Nov 20 16:39:11 <lophyte> and it doesn't look like its in a repo anywhere..
Nov 20 16:39:28 <Jaffa> Whoa, the in-progress fixed profiles have given me a massive boost of karma
Nov 20 16:39:57 <bill20r3> did the "first 500" people to get N810's get decided based on karma?
Nov 20 16:39:57 <kulve> same here. I though I've been just active :)
Nov 20 16:40:04 <kulve> bill20r3: no
Nov 20 16:40:14 <kulve> bill20r3: karma was only one factor when deciding
Nov 20 16:40:14 <_Monkey> was only one factor when deciding has neutral karma
Nov 20 16:40:27 <kulve> _Monkey: wha?
Nov 20 16:40:27 <_Monkey> kulve: i haven't a clue
Nov 20 16:40:31 <kulve> I know
Nov 20 16:40:52 <czr> can't one _please_ tell the person who runs monkey to do the answer-only-when-asked thingy
Nov 20 16:40:58 <czr> +some
Nov 20 16:41:27 <X-Fade> Hilarious answers sometimes ;)
Nov 20 16:41:59 <czr> but it's so irritating :-)
Nov 20 16:45:28 <kulve> _Monkey: karma?
Nov 20 16:45:28 <_Monkey> kulve: wish i knew
Nov 20 16:46:17 <X-Fade> _Monkey: karma kulve
Nov 20 16:46:17 <_Monkey> kulve has neutral karma
Nov 20 16:46:28 <X-Fade> Ah, It has a karma keyword :)
Nov 20 16:46:36 <X-Fade> _Monkey: kulve++
Nov 20 16:46:45 <X-Fade> _Monkey: karma kulve++
Nov 20 16:46:46 <_Monkey> kulve++ has neutral karma
Nov 20 16:46:54 <kulve> :)
Nov 20 16:46:56 <X-Fade> _Monkey: karma kulve ++
Nov 20 16:46:57 <_Monkey> kulve ++ has neutral karma
Nov 20 16:47:02 <X-Fade> I give up..
Nov 20 16:48:29 <Tak> why does the app catalog keep dropping my screenshots?
Nov 20 16:49:12 <X-Fade> Tak: What kind of files are you using?
Nov 20 16:49:25 <Tak> png
Nov 20 16:49:54 <X-Fade> Tak: I have been investigating it a few times. I can't trigger it myself. Very frustrating ;)
Nov 20 16:50:23 <Tak> it's happened to me several times with each of my projects
Nov 20 16:50:58 <Tak> if I add a new screenshot, the old one suddenly shows up
Nov 20 16:51:03 <X-Fade> All projects that were started before we split the catalog per OS?
Nov 20 16:51:08 <Tak> yes.
Nov 20 16:51:30 <Tak> I haven't added a new one to xmame/OS2007 yet if you'd like to take a look
Nov 20 16:51:43 <X-Fade> Tak: Most of the time, deleting all screenshot and readding them helps..
Nov 20 16:52:03 <X-Fade> But I'm still not clear why it happens in the first place..
Nov 20 16:52:12 <Tak> yeah, I did that before
Nov 20 16:52:37 <Tak> and then I went to update things after the OS split, and they were gone again (for OS2007)
Nov 20 16:53:01 <X-Fade> yeah, because I had to remove the corrupted ones..
Nov 20 16:53:41 <X-Fade> There were no thumbnails for some, no original for others..
Nov 20 16:54:50 <X-Fade> Tak: I'll check it out some more tomorrow, I have to have some dinner first..
Nov 20 16:54:56 <Tak> ok, enjoy
Nov 20 16:58:26 <bedboi> when using USB networking is there any way to make maemo understand that you are actually connected?
Nov 20 16:58:58 <truls> ack, forcefully (programatically) removing focus from a widget, so i can remove the keyboard was more tricky than i thought
Nov 20 16:59:05 <truls> or rather, not as easy as i thought
Nov 20 17:04:17 <Tieku> has anybody found a good way to have flash embedded videos play?
Nov 20 17:05:18 <Tieku> *smoothly
Nov 20 17:05:49 <kulve> how do my home applet get the osso_context_t from the desktop? I wouldn't want to do my own osso_initialize.
Nov 20 17:05:57 <kulve> s,do,does,
Nov 20 17:06:28 <bedboi> how to take screenshots with os2008?
Nov 20 17:07:28 <kulve> bedboi: I (partly) ported my screen grabber for it, but somebody said that it doesn't work.. Want to test?
Nov 20 17:07:37 <bedboi> kulve: sure
Nov 20 17:07:48 <lardman> bedboi: for the gui you mean?
Nov 20 17:07:51 <bedboi> btw ukmp seems not to work due to missing dependencies
Nov 20 17:07:59 <bedboi> lardman: no...
Nov 20 17:08:11 <bedboi> even the osso-screen...
Nov 20 17:08:41 <kulve> bedboi: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blogstuff/maemo-screengrabber-chinook.install
Nov 20 17:08:47 <lardman> there's a dummy connection you can "connect" so the maemo stuff thinks you're connected iirc
Nov 20 17:09:25 <kulve> bedboi: you should have a menu entry after that. After starting, it will wait 5 secs, use osso-screenshot-tool (dependency) to take the shot, and save it to MyDocs/Images
Nov 20 17:09:46 <kulve> the infoprint is broken, since they changed the api and I don't know how to use the new one with dbus-send..
Nov 20 17:11:15 <GNUton> hi!
Nov 20 17:15:27 <czr> kulve, ask alterego
Nov 20 17:15:43 <czr> kulve, we discussed the new api just a day or two back
Nov 20 17:16:06 <alterego> Ah yes.
Nov 20 17:16:08 <czr> or I can dig it out for you, if you like :-). but I'll have a quick smoke first
Nov 20 17:16:14 <alterego> I've got it ;)
Nov 20 17:17:05 <alterego> I suppose I should have finished writing that blog entry ^_^
Nov 20 17:18:24 <alterego> kulve, dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteInfoprint string:"Hello, world"
Nov 20 17:18:41 <kulve> excellent, thx :)
Nov 20 17:18:56 <truls> hm, i wonder if keeping the keyboard focus in a entry-widget even after it's not viewable anymore should be considered a hildon/gtk bug
Nov 20 17:28:42 <lardman> anyone happen to know what version binutils is in the SDK?
Nov 20 17:28:55 <kulve> ii  binutils                               2.16.91cs2005q3.2-5.osso1    The GNU assembler, linker and binary utiliti
Nov 20 17:28:59 <kulve> chinook beta
Nov 20 17:29:18 <lardman> thanks
Nov 20 17:29:22 <kulve> same in final
Nov 20 17:29:38 <lardman> I'm trying to build an oabi gpe-image to test the powervr binaries on
Nov 20 17:30:01 <lardman> I guessed 2.16 to match gcc 3.4.4 so that should be ok
Nov 20 17:32:32 <skibur> I want my OS2008 on my N800
Nov 20 17:33:45 * Jaffa wants an N810. Life is full of delays :-/
Nov 20 17:34:07 <lardman> Jaffa: Me too!
Nov 20 17:34:11 <lardman> skibur: ITT....
Nov 20 17:34:12 <_Monkey> itt is probably http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums
Nov 20 17:34:27 <lardman> _Monkey: useful twice in one day, well done :)
Nov 20 17:34:28 <_Monkey> lardman: i'm not following you...
Nov 20 17:37:18 <czr> lardman, see, even monkeys don't want to follow you where you're going :-)
Nov 20 17:37:47 <lardman> ah well, that's why they're still monkeys!
Nov 20 17:38:02 <czr> true. and this one is special in many ways anyway
Nov 20 17:38:17 <lardman> special needs....
Nov 20 17:42:24 <Jaffa> lardman: I have http://direct.nokia.com/CountryHandler.ASPX?u=/Product.aspx?model=n810&Country=GB bookmarked, but it just goes to the N800 page on shop.nokia.co.uk atm :-(
Nov 20 17:43:45 <lardman> Jaffa: Well, hopefully soon then
Nov 20 17:44:36 <Jaffa> It's been doing it for ages :-/
Nov 20 17:44:52 <lardman> ah, I meant in general, not because of the redirect
Nov 20 17:44:53 * Jaffa is impatient (want the N810 for when I go on holiday at the start of December)
Nov 20 17:45:48 <lardman> I want for when I finally manage to get a gpe-image to build
Nov 20 17:46:01 <lardman> (which will go on the N800)
Nov 20 17:51:49 <lophyte> it upsets me that "Toronto" isn't in the list of cities in the Clock applet
Nov 20 17:51:54 <lophyte> :\
Nov 20 17:51:58 <lophyte> and Ottawa is
Nov 20 17:52:42 <czr> hmm. maybe you can run a system-wide sed to replace ottawa into Tornto :-)
Nov 20 17:52:49 <lophyte> haha
Nov 20 17:52:59 <timeless> are they in the same timezone?
Nov 20 17:53:03 <lophyte> yeah
Nov 20 17:53:09 <penguinbait> yes Detroit isn't either
Nov 20 17:53:16 <lophyte> penguinbait, wow, that's wild
Nov 20 17:53:20 <timeless> i think the goal was to make it easy to tap on the map
Nov 20 17:53:30 <timeless> note that most things in California aren't on the map
Nov 20 17:53:33 <timeless> which really annoyed me
Nov 20 17:53:40 <timeless> also note that it's a royal pain to tag helsinki
Nov 20 17:53:43 <timeless> which is kinda ironic
Nov 20 17:53:55 <timeless> (it's easier to get tampere/talinn iirc)
Nov 20 17:54:29 <cosmo> maybe the map widget is coded at tampere
Nov 20 17:55:19 <timeless> i'm sure someone told me who wrote it
Nov 20 17:55:33 <timeless> the person was iirc proud of making sure that all map points were hittable
Nov 20 17:56:09 <timeless> anyway, if you want complaints, the us has more cities that aren't listed that should be than canada :)
Nov 20 17:56:17 <timeless> and there were a couple of other places who were also upset
Nov 20 17:56:20 <timeless> i can't remember which others
Nov 20 17:56:25 <lardman> Me, in Bath
Nov 20 17:56:47 <lardman> Older than all your New World cities, ought to be on there ;)
Nov 20 17:57:00 <timeless> in England?
Nov 20 17:57:03 <lardman> yes
Nov 20 17:57:11 <timeless> been there, not bad, not really worth mapping
Nov 20 17:57:17 <timeless> gzip: stdin: not in gzip format
Nov 20 17:57:17 <timeless> tar: Child returned status 1
Nov 20 17:57:20 * timeless sighs
Nov 20 17:57:27 * timeless considers fixing the script not to trigger that
Nov 20 17:57:34 <timeless> bzip2: (stdin) is not a bzip2 file.
Nov 20 17:57:34 <timeless> tar: Child returned status 2
Nov 20 17:57:37 <timeless> fun fun
Nov 20 17:57:52 <timeless> my script is very stupid, if it looks like a tgz or bz2ball, it must be :)
Nov 20 17:58:08 <lophyte> lol
Nov 20 17:58:42 * timeless applies script to another week
Nov 20 17:59:23 <lophyte> hey I got a question that I can't find the answer to.. when I'm done using USB networking, I rmmod g_ether.ko but the N800 refuses to show up as a usb file storage device on my Linux PC afterwards..
Nov 20 18:00:51 <lophyte> should I rmmod g_file_storage when I insmod g_ether and then vice versa when I'm done, or what
Nov 20 18:01:30 * timeless would have hoped this was doc'd on the wiki :)
Nov 20 18:01:40 <lophyte> yeah I looked around but I didn't see anything
Nov 20 18:02:00 <lophyte> all I could find was "unplug the USB cable, rmmod g_ether and it will show up as a file storage device"
Nov 20 18:02:01 <lophyte> but it doesn't
Nov 20 18:02:36 <lophyte> I always try to RTFM first ;)
Nov 20 18:05:57 <bedboi> stupid scratchbox "You must close your other Scratchbox sessions first"
Nov 20 18:06:12 <lophyte> lol
Nov 20 18:06:20 <czr> bedboi, sb-conf killall
Nov 20 18:06:20 <timeless> that's normal
Nov 20 18:06:24 <timeless> you get used to it :)
Nov 20 18:06:32 <czr> if you're in ARMEL though, that doesn't always help
Nov 20 18:06:42 <czr> so logout and kill -9 scratchbox/qemus
Nov 20 18:06:44 <bedboi> thanks, good too know
Nov 20 18:07:23 <czr> and yes, it is slightly annoying. I'd like it to support multiple sessions simultanously
Nov 20 18:07:37 <czr> tsavola, when will you fix it? :-)
Nov 20 18:13:41 <czr> inz, what do you mean with "I also have sb-conf in -e in .bashrc in scratchbox so the file gets copied to rootstrap too"
Nov 20 18:13:44 <czr> esp the -e part?
Nov 20 18:14:14 <bedboi> is there anything more stupid than the debian changelog ?
Nov 20 18:15:17 <bedboi> -- maintainer name <email address>[two spaces]  date
Nov 20 18:15:49 <kulve> use debchange to edit it..
Nov 20 18:21:18 <Andy80> hi all
Nov 20 18:23:56 <penguinbait> I see the libsmbclient is now included in 2008OS, is there some new built in samba functionality?
Nov 20 18:25:17 <L0cutus> ciao Andy80
Nov 20 18:25:29 <Andy80> L0cutus: ciao :)
Nov 20 18:36:03 <kulve> penguinbait: /usr/lib/gnome-vfs-2.0/modules/libsmb.so
Nov 20 18:37:58 <k-s[WORK]> http://blip.tv/file/494477
Nov 20 18:38:22 <penguinbait> kulve is what is that, the filemanager?
Nov 20 18:38:58 <kulve> penguinbait: looks like gnome vfs module, so I guess all apps that uses gnomevfs can access files over samba
Nov 20 18:39:01 <kulve> just guessing thouhg..
Nov 20 18:39:20 <khertan> Hi
Nov 20 18:39:26 <lophyte> hey khertan
Nov 20 18:40:00 <khertan> Someone have the time to help me with a small little question about Gtk TextView ?
Nov 20 18:40:35 <rghosh> what's the question?
Nov 20 18:40:36 <_Monkey> it has been said that the question is whether you can mask it well enough that they wouldnt notice
Nov 20 18:40:48 <khertan> i'm not an expert in gtk and i want to get callback when an user make a click that change the cursor position in a textview how can i do that ?
Nov 20 18:41:03 <khertan> (i was writing it :) )
Nov 20 18:41:12 <khertan> 'hey lophyte
Nov 20 18:41:34 <khertan> i don't find the right signal
Nov 20 18:41:40 <rghosh> move-cursor signal?
Nov 20 18:41:56 <khertan> move-cursor only occurs when the cursor is moved with dpad on n800
Nov 20 18:42:00 <khertan> i ve try :)
Nov 20 18:43:23 <rghosh> hmm that sucks, here's an ugly idea:
Nov 20 18:43:34 <rghosh> get the button-press signal
Nov 20 18:43:52 <rghosh> and check the cursor position, if it's changed
Nov 20 18:44:24 <khertan> hum ... this need an other button
Nov 20 18:44:33 <amr> uhm
Nov 20 18:44:41 <amr> how do i remove something from the extras menu
Nov 20 18:45:00 <amr> i uninstalled 'cellphonetool' and its left the icon there
Nov 20 18:45:00 <rghosh> textview derives from widget, which has a button-press-event signal
Nov 20 18:45:02 <khertan> but the screen size of the it ...
Nov 20 18:45:26 <khertan> rghosh: ah ! i ll try
Nov 20 18:45:33 <alterego> amr, delete the desktop file in /usr/share/applications
Nov 20 18:45:42 <amr> cheers
Nov 20 18:45:49 <khertan> amr: take a look in /usr/share/application/hildon/bblablalesoft.desktop
Nov 20 18:46:00 <alterego> amr, you should also contact the author and see why it's broken.
Nov 20 18:46:04 <khertan> yes ... applications ... not application :)
Nov 20 18:46:21 <amr> got it, cheers
Nov 20 18:46:22 <tko> khertan: why do you want to know cursor position changed?
Nov 20 18:46:35 <czr> khertan, does cellphonetool come with a custom icon?
Nov 20 18:46:55 <czr> khertan, I mean, did you see the default "gray four boxes"-icon or something else when you had it installed?
Nov 20 18:48:35 <rghosh> khertan: but i don't see how to get the cursor position from the textview...
Nov 20 18:48:43 <khertan> tko: for some test on an implementation of an auto-completion in PyGTKEditor ... i need it too for an other applications
Nov 20 18:48:59 <khertan> rghosh ...  i know how to get the cursor position ...
Nov 20 18:49:07 <rghosh> out of curiosity, how?
Nov 20 18:49:45 <khertan> simple ... textview.get_buffer().get_insert()
Nov 20 18:49:55 <khertan> you get a TextMark :)
Nov 20 18:50:01 <rghosh> ah nice ok
Nov 20 18:50:32 <tko> khertan: maybe follow GtkTextBuffer::cursor-position property changes
Nov 20 18:51:04 <disq> gah. i just noticed, thumbkb won't work with editable gtklistview text items. bora and chinook.
Nov 20 18:53:06 <khertan> hum button-press-event isn't the solution
Nov 20 18:53:25 <khertan> it s called before the cursor in the buffer set the new position
Nov 20 18:53:28 <rghosh> ah how about this
Nov 20 18:53:33 <khertan> but we are near
Nov 20 18:53:34 <rghosh> mark-set signal belonging to textbuffer
Nov 20 18:53:47 <rghosh> listen to that, and check, when you get the callback, if the name of the textmark is "insert"
Nov 20 18:55:40 <khertan> the problem with ::cursor-position : "his property is available in GTK+ 2.10 and above."
Nov 20 18:55:51 <khertan> so no os2007 and 2006
Nov 20 18:56:00 <rghosh> how about mark-set?
Nov 20 18:56:54 <penguinbait> on your mark, get set, GO!
Nov 20 18:57:12 <czr> kaltsi, the message will live on forever: http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/dbus-send-SystemNoteDialog.png (that's going into the material as a screenshot)
Nov 20 18:57:26 <khertan> what is mark-set ?
Nov 20 18:58:16 <rghosh> textview.get_buffer() gets a textbuffer
Nov 20 18:58:25 <rghosh> the textbuffer has a 'mark-set' signal
Nov 20 18:58:38 <rghosh> this will be emitted when any mark is set
Nov 20 18:58:43 <rghosh> there is one mark in particular that you are interested in
Nov 20 18:58:52 <rghosh> the mark whose get_name() method returns "insert"
Nov 20 18:59:01 <rghosh> so you attach a callback to the 'mark-set' signal
Nov 20 18:59:11 <kaltsi> czr haha :)  you will have to put up a NAO-faq
Nov 20 18:59:21 <rghosh> then when you get the callback, check if the textmark's 'get_name()' method returns 'insert'
Nov 20 18:59:34 <rghosh> if so, you have been notified of a change in cursor position (i think)
Nov 20 18:59:36 <czr> kaltsi, maybe a legend will be born. who knows :-)
Nov 20 19:00:18 <kaltsi> United Kingdom - NAO OK's BBC's investment in Freeview
Nov 20 19:00:22 <kaltsi> The National Audit Office (NAO) review of the BBC's investment in Freeview
Nov 20 19:00:25 <kaltsi> ...
Nov 20 19:00:27 <czr> sp3000, see what is possible now that run-standalone.sh is fixed? (look at the url I gave to kaltsi). <3.
Nov 20 19:00:40 <czr> kaltsi, :-)
Nov 20 19:00:43 <czr> or just brain in chinese.
Nov 20 19:00:53 * czr prefers brain to audit.
Nov 20 19:01:20 <kaltsi> mmm.. braaiinss
Nov 20 19:01:44 <czr> the GNU head icons all over the place are slightly irritating though
Nov 20 19:01:53 <czr> but. they're not my fault :-)
Nov 20 19:02:27 <czr> btw, does anyone know where that background photo was taken from? it looks like some street-level thingy.
Nov 20 19:02:28 <khertan> rghosh: hum insert isn't what i want it s when clicked :)
Nov 20 19:02:44 <rghosh> yeah but insert is the name of the mark you're interested in
Nov 20 19:02:48 <khertan> and the interested mark is : cursor-position ... but not available before 2.10
Nov 20 19:02:48 <rghosh> i'm not talking about the insert event
Nov 20 19:02:52 <rghosh> i'm talking about the insert mark
Nov 20 19:02:57 <khertan> oh ...
Nov 20 19:03:28 <rghosh> that's why i asked you whether or not the mark-set signal exists in os2006/2007
Nov 20 19:03:36 <rghosh> i don't know if it does so i was asking you
Nov 20 19:03:51 <rghosh> but it is a separate entity from cursor-position
Nov 20 19:04:29 <rghosh> you've told me that textview.get_buffer() works
Nov 20 19:04:35 <khertan> hum ... mark-set and insert seem to be available in all os ...
Nov 20 19:04:41 <rghosh> ah good
Nov 20 19:04:47 <khertan> i ll try that ...
Nov 20 19:09:16 <khertan> hum ... rghosh ... it s very near !
Nov 20 19:09:26 * czr can feel it too
Nov 20 19:09:34 <khertan> it s work ... but i get three callback :)
Nov 20 19:09:36 <millenomi> hi everyone
Nov 20 19:09:48 <khertan> lol czr
Nov 20 19:09:50 <millenomi> can somebody help me for a moment, please?
Nov 20 19:09:57 <khertan> maybe ...
Nov 20 19:10:00 <penguinbait> not sure
Nov 20 19:10:01 <millenomi> :)
Nov 20 19:10:01 <czr> milhouse, just ask and see what happens.
Nov 20 19:10:07 <millenomi> 'k
Nov 20 19:10:08 <czr> uh sorry, millenomi
Nov 20 19:10:15 <millenomi> anyway
Nov 20 19:10:22 <khertan> Time's up milhouse ... game over
Nov 20 19:10:27 <khertan> an other question ?
Nov 20 19:10:33 <millenomi> I'm installing maemo sdk 4 on a clean ubuntu 7.10
Nov 20 19:10:35 <khertan> :)
Nov 20 19:10:43 <rghosh> heh
Nov 20 19:10:43 <czr> khertan, depends on the availability of additional credits
Nov 20 19:10:56 <millenomi> I installed scratchbox using the script, added user and logged out
Nov 20 19:11:01 <rghosh> khertan: glad it worked, weird how there's 3 callbacks
Nov 20 19:11:04 <khertan> hum .... yes of course ...
Nov 20 19:11:14 <millenomi> but /scratchbox/login is -rw-r--r--
Nov 20 19:11:29 <millenomi> bash /scratchbox/login works, but not straight /scratchbox/login
Nov 20 19:11:32 <millenomi> this makes the sdk script fail
Nov 20 19:11:36 <czr> millenomi, that sounds strange
Nov 20 19:11:49 <millenomi> strange, yup
Nov 20 19:11:54 <czr> millenomi, did you install with sudo?
Nov 20 19:12:03 <millenomi> scratchbox?
Nov 20 19:12:03 <millenomi> yes
Nov 20 19:12:04 <_Monkey> hmmm... scratchbox is a cross-compilation toolkit for maemo application development.  Homepage: http://www.scratchbox.org/   Maemo 3.x (bora/N800) tutorial: http://qurl.org/yN  Maemo 2.2 (gregale/770) tutorial: http://qurl.org/zN  A walkthrough for 3.x: http://qurl.org/0O  Scratchbox Downloads: http://qurl.org/1O
Nov 20 19:12:12 <millenomi> nice bot
Nov 20 19:12:14 <czr> millenomi, yeah, the automatic install script thingy
Nov 20 19:12:17 <penguinbait> I had that problem before when moving scratchbox between systems, but not on free install to one system
Nov 20 19:12:37 <czr> millenomi, try sudo chmod +x /scratchbox/login, maybe the problem will go away..
Nov 20 19:12:42 <czr> millenomi, you should file a bug though.
Nov 20 19:12:44 <penguinbait> if the bash works, then chmod +x login, and it should work without bash
Nov 20 19:12:45 <millenomi> i'm trying but it doesn't work
Nov 20 19:12:56 <millenomi> it seems like /scratchbox is its own filesyste
Nov 20 19:12:57 <penguinbait> do the persms change?
Nov 20 19:12:57 <millenomi> m
Nov 20 19:13:10 <millenomi> and sudo chmod 0755 /scratchbox/login is silently ignored
Nov 20 19:13:20 <khertan> i understand why 3 callback ... when i click on my TextView... there is one cb ... then the virtual keyboard open, an other on ... then i close it ... the third
Nov 20 19:13:23 <millenomi> or sudo cp login login.just.trying
Nov 20 19:13:26 <penguinbait> stop scraqtchbox and try again
Nov 20 19:13:38 <czr> milhouse, yeah. /etc/init.d/scratchbox stop
Nov 20 19:13:43 <rghosh> khertan: ah, nice
Nov 20 19:13:47 <czr> then do the chmod, check perms, and report
Nov 20 19:14:06 <khertan> rghosh: just need to test the iter to see if there is no change ...
Nov 20 19:14:16 <khertan> thanks a lot for your help rghosh
Nov 20 19:14:17 <pupnik>  
Nov 20 19:14:17 <pupnik> Laptops lookout - New Nokia N810 Internet Tablet hits store shelves
Nov 20 19:14:19 <pupnik> November 19, 2007
Nov 20 19:14:22 <millenomi> doesn't stick
Nov 20 19:14:23 <penguinbait> do /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop
Nov 20 19:14:29 <pupnik> http://www.nokia.com/A4136001?newsid=1169511
Nov 20 19:14:31 <rghosh> khertan: no problem :)
Nov 20 19:14:42 <penguinbait> why cant I but one with my coupon today :(
Nov 20 19:15:06 <khertan> i don't know yet how i ll make completion for pygtkeditor ... it s need to be fast ... but it's help me !
Nov 20 19:15:08 <penguinbait> s/but/buy
Nov 20 19:15:12 <millenomi> tried both, doesn't work :'(
Nov 20 19:15:27 <penguinbait> who are you on the system?
Nov 20 19:15:31 <penguinbait> root or what?
Nov 20 19:15:41 <penguinbait> su -
Nov 20 19:15:41 <khertan> pupnik: noone can yet
Nov 20 19:15:43 <millenomi> regular user doing sudo
Nov 20 19:15:52 <penguinbait> sudo su -
Nov 20 19:15:55 <penguinbait> then try again
Nov 20 19:16:05 <czr> penguinbait, still seems strange
Nov 20 19:16:05 <penguinbait> is sudo working?
Nov 20 19:16:12 <Kompo> Anyone interested in trying out Google Gears for MicroB? (== compiling and installing)
Nov 20 19:16:13 <czr> installing on 7.10 here worked without a hitch
Nov 20 19:16:14 <pupnik> khertan: you can in the USA
Nov 20 19:16:26 <penguinbait> I am running 7.10 also
Nov 20 19:16:53 <millenomi> I'll rollback vmware and try again
Nov 20 19:16:57 <millenomi> from the beginning
Nov 20 19:17:19 <millenomi> let you know if it happens again >_<
Nov 20 19:17:20 <millenomi> thanks
Nov 20 19:17:30 <khertan> pupnik > what i mean is that if i understand noone can use his dev discount code
Nov 20 19:17:32 <czr> millenomi, no prob. tell us how it goes
Nov 20 19:17:42 <czr> millenomi, also, what kind of filesystem layout are you using btw?
Nov 20 19:17:45 <elb> khertan: yeah, we have to wait :-)
Nov 20 19:17:50 <czr> millenomi, and which arch?
Nov 20 19:18:06 <khertan> elb: 27th november if i ve understand
Nov 20 19:18:12 <khertan> (for us ...)
Nov 20 19:18:20 <czr> khertan, where did you get that date from?
Nov 20 19:18:21 <millenomi> x86 on a regular whole-disk-with-swap setup
Nov 20 19:18:24 <millenomi> on vmware
Nov 20 19:18:25 <khertan> in france ... i think it s ll be later
Nov 20 19:18:28 <millenomi> w/ tools installed
Nov 20 19:18:30 <czr> millenomi, not 64-bit?
Nov 20 19:18:33 <millenomi> 32
Nov 20 19:18:39 <penguinbait> its the backorder date listed on letstalk.cocm
Nov 20 19:18:41 <czr> millenomi, ok. should be fine then. have the same setup here
Nov 20 19:18:49 <czr> penguinbait, ah
Nov 20 19:18:58 <elb> khertan: I don't know about that date, I know that's when letstalk.com expects shipping
Nov 20 19:19:03 <pupnik> khertan: ah ok
Nov 20 19:19:08 <lophyte> agh... still doesn't work
Nov 20 19:19:15 <elb> khertan: but letstalk.com does not seem to accept the discount code, so ...
Nov 20 19:19:20 <khertan> czr: i don't remember when i know about this date
Nov 20 19:19:22 <lophyte> trying to go from USB networking back to USB mass storave
Nov 20 19:19:23 <penguinbait> yet!
Nov 20 19:19:26 <lophyte> storage, rather
Nov 20 19:19:28 <lophyte> doesn't work
Nov 20 19:19:44 <czr> khertan, that's ok. I'm not in the dev program anyway, just wondering :-)
Nov 20 19:20:07 <penguinbait> I am ready to go buy one at Compusa, its only an hour away :)
Nov 20 19:20:19 * czr pets his metallic gray N810
Nov 20 19:24:24 * penguinbait slaps czr around a bit with a large trout
Nov 20 19:24:39 * czr pets his metallic gray N810
Nov 20 19:24:43 <penguinbait> heh
Nov 20 19:24:45 <bill20r3> die.
Nov 20 19:24:51 <elb> boo mIRC users
Nov 20 19:25:00 <bill20r3> czr, does it have usb host mode?
Nov 20 19:25:09 <czr> bill20r3, not by default.
Nov 20 19:25:19 <bill20r3> so.. no.
Nov 20 19:25:21 <czr> or do you mean the electricity feeding thingy?
Nov 20 19:25:22 <penguinbait> sorry I am reflashing at the moment, should I leave and come back under kvirc :)
Nov 20 19:25:30 * |R hopes he can order from the states instead of france :)
Nov 20 19:25:30 <czr> I honestly don't know. I don't use the device much.
Nov 20 19:25:32 <bill20r3> I mean the driver support.
Nov 20 19:25:39 * czr shrugs at bill20r3 
Nov 20 19:25:52 * penguinbait slaps elb around a bit with a large trout
Nov 20 19:25:58 <bill20r3> I suppose I'll find out after I update.
Nov 20 19:26:17 <czr> bill20r3, how could I check for it easily?
Nov 20 19:26:37 <bill20r3> I dont know how, easily.
Nov 20 19:26:48 <bill20r3> something in /proc probably
Nov 20 19:26:48 <czr> well, what's the module called?
Nov 20 19:27:07 <elb> previous discussion in here has suggested that the 810 can be a USB OTG host, but not a generic USB host
Nov 20 19:27:23 <elb> (which means connection to only one, USB OTG-compatible, device at a time)
Nov 20 19:27:51 <bill20r3> so I cant plug in a gamepad. :-(
Nov 20 19:28:02 <elb> if it's OTG-compatible, you can
Nov 20 19:28:57 <timelyx> it means you can't use a hub w/ your usb otg gamepad
Nov 20 19:29:16 <bill20r3> heh. ok.
Nov 20 19:29:35 <pupnik> huge new claws mail release yesterday..  http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11969
Nov 20 19:29:37 <timelyx> no multiplayer using 4 usbotg gamepads w/ the hub :)
Nov 20 19:29:42 <timelyx> buy 4 n810s instead :)
Nov 20 19:29:47 <suihkulokki> can one connect a ipod classic and use it as HD for it?
Nov 20 19:30:05 <czr> btw, is there a simple lib abstraction to support using BT with multiple N800/N810 devices to support gameplay?
Nov 20 19:30:08 <penguinbait> boot your n800 from your ipod
Nov 20 19:30:32 <timelyx> does bluez count?
Nov 20 19:30:37 <Tak> czr: that would be awesome
Nov 20 19:30:39 <timelyx> afaiu bluez hides everything
Nov 20 19:30:41 <czr> timeless, anything higher-level?
Nov 20 19:30:48 <czr> well, imho it doesn't really.
Nov 20 19:30:53 <timelyx> not that i know of :)
Nov 20 19:31:03 <mariorz_> is there a theme archive somewhere?
Nov 20 19:31:07 <czr> right. so nothing's changed since 770 launched then. was thinking of making one back then :-)
Nov 20 19:31:20 <czr> Tak, it would indeed
Nov 20 19:31:42 <czr> Tak, I'm thinking of something zero-effort setup thingy so that one could easily play with other tablets when in close proximity
Nov 20 19:31:49 <pupnik> Tak: any feelings about me copying xmaeme skeleton for a dosbox frontend?  Gut feeling is it should have its own launcher.
Nov 20 19:32:27 <pupnik> I've got a python launcher but it's slow as molasses and requires 8MB python libs
Nov 20 19:32:56 <timelyx> hrm, what's the name of apple's discovery protocol?
Nov 20 19:33:06 <czr> zeroconf
Nov 20 19:33:16 <czr> but I think that's based on IP
Nov 20 19:33:17 <Dasajev> bonjour
Nov 20 19:33:17 <timelyx> bonjour
Nov 20 19:33:18 <_Monkey> salut, timelyx
Nov 20 19:33:19 <Tak> pupnik: actually, if you just want to add a notebook tab for dosbox, we can just include that in xmaeme proper
Nov 20 19:33:20 <czr> ah, sry
Nov 20 19:33:28 <Tak> if you'd rather do that
Nov 20 19:33:46 <pupnik> Tak: doing that right now
Nov 20 19:34:42 <Tak> czr: yeah, I was wanting something like that when the bomberman port first came out
Nov 20 19:34:56 <czr> Tak, yeah, I wanted one for coding camps
Nov 20 19:35:04 <pupnik> it's awesome starting dos games with shortcuts instead of mucking with the DOS command line
Nov 20 19:35:22 <czr> we used to drag people doing maemo dev/related to it to up north of finland and lock them up in order to code some silly games. it was a lot of fun actually :-)
Nov 20 19:35:31 <alterego> Well, I think that's enough work for one day.
Nov 20 19:35:42 <czr> shame none of the games actually ever were released. some of them were pretty interesting.
Nov 20 19:35:43 * alterego plays with ruby-maemo a bit.
Nov 20 19:36:16 <elb> what, like, "we're goign to lock you in a room in the frozen wasteland until you have to write something to entertain yourself" ?
Nov 20 19:36:33 <czr> elb, neh, all were graphical
Nov 20 19:36:41 <czr> about half were real-time too
Nov 20 19:36:50 <czr> and some utilized the touch screen in all kinds of novel ways
Nov 20 19:37:01 <czr> I was positively suprised by the creativity of that lot
Nov 20 19:37:12 <tsavola> czr: it's fixed in sb2 already :)
Nov 20 19:37:20 <czr> tsavola, cool.
Nov 20 19:37:33 <czr> elb, they had 24 hours to do it. from scratch to finish (deb package)
Nov 20 19:37:46 <czr> 24 hours straight that is. sleeping was optional.
Nov 20 19:37:50 <czr> not many people used that option really.
Nov 20 19:38:05 <czr> (except me because I'm a lazy bastard)
Nov 20 19:38:09 <alterego> To write a game?
Nov 20 19:38:18 <czr> alterego, to design and implement, test and package. yes
Nov 20 19:38:28 <czr> in C/GDK ;-)
Nov 20 19:38:33 <Tak> pupnik: I just checked my xmaeme tree into garage svn; you should have commit access
Nov 20 19:38:36 * alterego vomits
Nov 20 19:38:41 <Tak> gDk?!
Nov 20 19:38:44 <alterego> I'm not sure I could do that :)
Nov 20 19:38:46 <czr> GTK+ too
Nov 20 19:38:56 <czr> but we used GDK since I had double-buffering example code for that
Nov 20 19:39:07 <czr> and the point of the whole thing wasn't writing games per se.
Nov 20 19:39:13 <elb> Gdk is where you'd almost certainly want to be for game development
Nov 20 19:39:19 <pupnik> Tak oops, i grabbed a tarball - is 0.10 current?
Nov 20 19:39:21 <elb> since it's generally more about painting than widgets
Nov 20 19:39:27 <czr> elb, sure.
Nov 20 19:39:27 <alterego> Or GtkGLExt :)
Nov 20 19:39:35 <alterego> GLGtkExt
Nov 20 19:39:36 <czr> elb, that's the reason why we used it
Nov 20 19:39:39 <alterego> ExtGLGtk ..
Nov 20 19:39:40 <alterego> Whatever.
Nov 20 19:40:12 <pupnik> nevermind i'll grab cvs/svn
Nov 20 19:40:19 <alterego> Anyone see MDK's 3D video playback example?
Nov 20 19:40:21 <alterego> That was awesome.
Nov 20 19:40:41 <pupnik> watchu talkinbout willus?
Nov 20 19:42:09 <Tak> 0.11 is current, but there's no UI change from 0.10; svn is super-current :-)
Nov 20 19:42:09 <alterego> Tonight I'm going to add GtkMozEmbed and libnotify support.
Nov 20 19:42:21 <czr> hmm. interesting. dbus_bus_get will abort the whole program if it fails to connect. instead of returning an error.
Nov 20 19:42:24 <czr> wtf is up with that.
Nov 20 19:42:36 <alterego> czr, segfault? :D
Nov 20 19:43:19 <czr> alterego, http://pastebin.com/m1b957fba
Nov 20 19:43:35 <czr> that's what happens on dbus_bus_get. it never returns.
Nov 20 19:44:05 <czr> wtf is the point of return error values and all kinds of dbus error objects if the function will abort the program anyway
Nov 20 19:44:10 * czr shakes his fist
Nov 20 19:44:39 <alterego> Is that the program or D-BUS giving up?
Nov 20 19:45:01 <elb> d-bus has some stupid default abort behavior
Nov 20 19:45:14 <czr> the program does dbus_bus_get() function call. the function call lives in libdbus. the function will abort the program (i.e., never returns)
Nov 20 19:45:15 <elb> you can actually fix that
Nov 20 19:45:20 * elb looks to see how
Nov 20 19:45:22 <czr> elb, it used to work in 0.6 or whatnot.
Nov 20 19:45:34 <czr> it used to return a proper error condition back then
Nov 20 19:45:47 <elb> there's a "don't abort" option
Nov 20 19:45:55 <czr> hmm. where?
Nov 20 19:45:58 <czr> envvar or something else?
Nov 20 19:45:59 <elb> I'm looking
Nov 20 19:46:30 <elb> we had this problem with Pidgin, and somehow fixed it
Nov 20 19:46:40 <czr> ah. cool.
Nov 20 19:48:36 <elb> I don't see it, I've asked if anyone remembers
Nov 20 19:48:48 <elb> I think you have to override some error or logging function
Nov 20 19:48:58 <czr> elb, cool. I'll leave a marker in the material so I'll remember to fix the text if there's a solution to that
Nov 20 19:49:34 <czr> elb, the text now reads something like:  We forgot to prepend the command with run-standalone.sh and this caused the library to return an error when connecting. At least we know that our error handling works. ...
Nov 20 19:49:54 <czr> which is kind of ironic when the command line listing just before that shows the whole program dumping core ;-)
Nov 20 19:52:27 <timelyx> czr: ok, i'm bored
Nov 20 19:52:33 <czr> timelyx, you are?
Nov 20 19:52:38 <timelyx> got a url for the stuff you wanted reviewed?
Nov 20 19:52:53 <czr> sure. privmsg ok?
Nov 20 19:52:59 <timelyx> sure
Nov 20 19:53:24 <timelyx> i presume you've spellchecked?
Nov 20 19:53:28 <czr> yup
Nov 20 19:53:42 <czr> but I'm not a native speaker. so there's bound to be all kinds of brain-farts here and there.
Nov 20 19:53:47 <alterego> American or English? :P
Nov 20 19:54:06 <czr> mostly american
Nov 20 19:54:14 <Atarii> is there a bugfix to the fact that going back into normal mode (from offline) enables bluetooth, even if it wasnt on before?
Nov 20 19:54:17 <Atarii> in 2007he
Nov 20 19:54:31 <timelyx> ah yeah, i've seen those urls before
Nov 20 19:54:38 <czr> heh
Nov 20 19:54:47 <czr> I wonder why.
Nov 20 19:54:53 * timelyx remembers the gook and the status
Nov 20 19:55:22 <alterego> Is there a comprehensive list of the API changes in maemo?
Nov 20 19:55:27 <czr> it's a lot of crap to wade through btw. so if you run out of steam, I won't blame you :-)
Nov 20 19:55:31 <alterego> Between releases ..
Nov 20 19:55:37 <czr> alterego, not really.
Nov 20 19:55:42 <alterego> Oh well.
Nov 20 19:55:45 <czr> there's something sprinkled here and there.
Nov 20 19:55:59 <czr> alterego, see the 4.0 beta sdk release announcement from maemo.org
Nov 20 19:56:06 <czr> there were some pointers to pages in that
Nov 20 19:56:16 <timelyx> Makefiles?!
Nov 20 19:56:24 <alterego> Doesn't matter. I'll just do what I've always done. Back port and see what breaks ;)
Nov 20 19:56:26 <czr> timelyx, ?
Nov 20 19:56:27 <_Monkey> timelyx, is that even possible with maemo?
Nov 20 19:56:43 <timelyx> _Monkey forget timelyx,
Nov 20 19:56:44 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot timelyx,
Nov 20 19:56:49 <timelyx> _Monkey timelyx, is <reply>
Nov 20 19:56:50 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx.
Nov 20 19:57:03 <guardian> evening
Nov 20 19:57:11 <czr> although I don't fail to see the irony in _monkey's question :-)
Nov 20 19:57:21 * timelyx neither
Nov 20 19:57:22 <_Monkey> neither is, like, n800 if you shut it down
Nov 20 19:57:33 <czr> heh
Nov 20 19:57:35 <timelyx> _Monkey forget neither
Nov 20 19:57:36 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot neither
Nov 20 19:57:36 <alterego> Heh
Nov 20 19:57:40 <timelyx> _Monkey neither is <reply>
Nov 20 19:57:41 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx.
Nov 20 19:57:47 * timelyx doesn't like
Nov 20 19:58:08 <czr> I'm just too tired. anything that monkey comes up with will be funny.
Nov 20 19:58:15 <timelyx> hrm, this tv program is using w3.1 software
Nov 20 19:58:23 <czr> timelyx, so what was with the makefile?! thing?
Nov 20 20:04:42 <millenomi> I have no idea what went wrong the first time, but after a rollback and a reinstallation, it works fine
Nov 20 20:04:52 <millenomi> installing the sdk now :)
Nov 20 20:10:01 <mariorz_> how can i cahnge the background image
Nov 20 20:11:51 <czr> mariorz_, use the desktop menu thingy ("Home")
Nov 20 20:11:59 <czr> it should allow you to switch the background picture
Nov 20 20:12:18 <mariorz_> oh yeah
Nov 20 20:12:25 <mariorz_> thanks
Nov 20 20:17:35 <lophyte> g_file_storage is stuck in "Unloading" state.. is there something that needs to be turned off or changed to unload it fully?
Nov 20 20:22:28 <alterego> Urgh .. I can download a package in scratchbox. The request just hangs >:(
Nov 20 20:22:47 <alterego> ~can't
Nov 20 20:22:48 <infobot> Yes I can!
Nov 20 20:24:02 <lophyte> ...
Nov 20 20:24:07 * lophyte slaps infobot 
Nov 20 20:31:35 <pupnik> nsswitch?
Nov 20 20:31:36 <_Monkey> somebody said nsswitch was http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=scratchbox+nsswitch+apt-get
Nov 20 20:37:45 <lophyte> ugh
Nov 20 20:37:55 <lophyte> I'm gonna reset my n800 and it'll go into continuous reboots again
Nov 20 20:39:03 <K`zan> Bummer, I reflashed 2007 and it did that 2 or three times before settling down - seems to be OK now.
Nov 20 20:39:47 <lophyte> I'm gonna stay away from g_file_storage from now on :)
Nov 20 20:39:49 <K`zan> Anyone know how to get/ install that library for the Jooleem game?
Nov 20 20:40:26 <K`zan> 2008 was a bit problematical here, so far 2007 seems to be doing fine, but I haven't ridden it as hard as I did 2008...
Nov 20 20:40:35 <pupnik> jooleem?
Nov 20 20:40:48 <K`zan> Maybe didn't spell it right, lemme check/
Nov 20 20:41:06 <pupnik> ah there it is nm
Nov 20 20:41:17 <lophyte> whew...
Nov 20 20:41:19 <lophyte> it worked this time
Nov 20 20:41:20 <K`zan> Maemo is not a good site to go to during the day here, SLOW, working...
Nov 20 20:41:25 <lophyte> no reboot cycles
Nov 20 20:42:25 <K`zan> loading....
Nov 20 20:42:25 <_Monkey> i heard loading was *very* expensive
Nov 20 20:42:53 <pupnik> it's monkey's auto-learn feature that is most annoying to me
Nov 20 20:43:01 <K`zan> Only if one does't have a data plan for the cell access :-).
Nov 20 20:43:27 <K`zan> Finally: Jooleem (2007 games)
Nov 20 20:44:27 <K`zan> Requires installation of libsdlttf - got red pill going but no luck with the library.
Nov 20 20:45:28 <Tak> if the deb depends on it, it should autoinstall
Nov 20 20:45:46 <lophyte> ah, that's fun
Nov 20 20:45:51 <lophyte> I got it to remove
Nov 20 20:45:53 <K`zan> Ah, ok so I need to run apt-get on the downloaded file?
Nov 20 20:45:54 <lophyte> now it won't insert
Nov 20 20:46:01 <pupnik> libsdl-ttf2.0-0 - ttf library for Simple DirectMedia Layer with FreeType 2 support
Nov 20 20:46:13 <pupnik> repositories?
Nov 20 20:46:14 <_Monkey> i heard repositories was http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationRepositories  and a searchable index at http://www.gronmayer.com/n800/repos/index.php
Nov 20 20:46:31 <K`zan> Yep, but where and how? - checking...
Nov 20 20:47:46 <K`zan> If it is there, it isn't obvious.  Guess I load all 35 repositories and hope for the best?
Nov 20 20:48:27 <K`zan> Heh, never mind, I'll keep the palm for that one game, not sure that is the same kind anyway.
Nov 20 20:48:31 <pupnik> K`zan: n800?
Nov 20 20:48:32 <_Monkey> it has been said that n800 is much better than a desk phone :-)
Nov 20 20:48:44 <pupnik> _Monkey: forget N800
Nov 20 20:48:45 <_Monkey> pupnik: I forgot n800
Nov 20 20:48:48 <K`zan> pupnik: Yes
Nov 20 20:48:54 <pupnik> _Monkey: N800 is <reply>
Nov 20 20:48:55 <_Monkey> OK, pupnik.
Nov 20 20:49:27 <K`zan> _Monkey: I'll let you know once I figure out what I need to do to get the SIP stuff to work.  Probably going to require firewall work.
Nov 20 20:49:27 <_Monkey> i haven't a clue, k`zan
Nov 20 20:49:28 <pupnik> i have a libsdlttf you can use, but you must download it then install with dpkg -i
Nov 20 20:50:18 <K`zan> pupnik: Thanks, but it isn't worth putting you to work over a silly game :-).  Expecially since I will probably reflash 2008 when it is released for the n800.
Nov 20 20:50:30 <pupnik> ok
Nov 20 20:50:56 <K`zan> Appreciate your efforts though :-).
Nov 20 20:52:43 <K`zan> Discovery is going to have March of The Pinguins playing soon...
Nov 20 20:52:54 <Tieku> hello is anyone using pidgen on their device?
Nov 20 20:53:02 <Tieku> pidgin*
Nov 20 20:53:21 <K`zan> Tieku: Had it going briefly under 2008 - used it only for IRC though - seemed to work fine for that.
Nov 20 20:54:15 <K`zan> Still thing of it as gaim :)
Nov 20 20:54:17 <K`zan> think
Nov 20 20:55:15 <alterego> 710B/s .. That's not good.
Nov 20 20:55:22 <K`zan> Wonder if my grocery store has a WAP there?  Then I can make my grocery list a web page :).
Nov 20 20:56:14 <Tieku> thanks. wanting to know if it supports the camera at all?
Nov 20 20:56:42 <K`zan> Tieku: Sorry, don't know :-(.
Nov 20 20:56:51 <Tieku> okay :)
Nov 20 20:57:11 <K`zan> Cam on the n800 is pretty abysmal so I don't use it :-(.
Nov 20 20:58:56 <lophyte> ugh...
Nov 20 20:59:10 <lophyte> making a simple way to switch between usbnet and mmc is proving difficult
Nov 20 20:59:27 <K`zan> Thanks for reminding me :)
Nov 20 20:59:56 <K`zan> I want to pick up a USB keyboard from the thrift store and hack power and a min-usb onto it and see if it will work.
Nov 20 21:00:31 <millenomi> okay
Nov 20 21:00:32 <millenomi> done
Nov 20 21:00:33 <millenomi> sdk works
Nov 20 21:00:45 <millenomi> xephyr starts fine
Nov 20 21:00:57 <millenomi> yay for me
Nov 20 21:01:02 <K`zan> :-)!
Nov 20 21:01:24 <millenomi> snapshotting vmware, just in case :)
Nov 20 21:01:54 <K`zan> Working on that for 2008 dev too, good to see someone else using vmware for that :-)!
Nov 20 21:02:02 <vishnu_> I compiled wireless-tools for OS-2008/Maemo-4.0 how do I submit it to be added in the chinook repo?
Nov 20 21:03:16 <penguinbait> 1800chinook
Nov 20 21:03:24 <vishnu_> hehe xD
Nov 20 21:03:27 <pupnik> Btw the apple macintosh emulator could run quite zippy if someone wants to work on it
Nov 20 21:03:34 <pupnik> just needs the cyclone core
Nov 20 21:04:04 <penguinbait> why would someone want that ?
Nov 20 21:04:17 <pupnik> old mac heads wanting to run their software
Nov 20 21:04:28 <millenomi> quite a niche :o
Nov 20 21:04:36 <pupnik> i note in passing that those apps didn't use right-mouse-click
Nov 20 21:05:05 <pupnik> true millenomi
Nov 20 21:06:05 <Jaffa> More s/w the merrier
Nov 20 21:06:53 <penguinbait> III been playing potato guy in KDE :)
Nov 20 21:07:14 <penguinbait> Its a mr potato head app
Nov 20 21:07:20 <pupnik> penguinbait: i want to get a multiboot with your kde on another partition someday
Nov 20 21:07:20 <penguinbait> does penguins also :)
Nov 20 21:07:42 <penguinbait> The 2008 version is almost ready
Nov 20 21:07:45 <pupnik> if i have a multi-partition booter, what size should kde system partition be?
Nov 20 21:08:22 <penguinbait> With flash its about 1.5GB right now
Nov 20 21:08:30 <penguinbait> min 2GB reccomended
Nov 20 21:08:34 * pupnik ~wibbles~
Nov 20 21:08:50 <penguinbait> But its full KDE with KDEPIM and Koffice
Nov 20 21:09:03 <pupnik> wow nice
Nov 20 21:09:05 <penguinbait> Kword, Kspread, Kmail
Nov 20 21:09:14 <penguinbait> Korganizer
Nov 20 21:09:20 <penguinbait> I just like saying that
Nov 20 21:09:24 <penguinbait> Korganizer
Nov 20 21:09:28 <penguinbait> heh
Nov 20 21:09:49 <pupnik> very cool project imo.
Nov 20 21:10:04 <pupnik> i keep bumping into qt apps and getting the frustration
Nov 20 21:10:07 <penguinbait> I printed   some business cards from my n800 earlier, oh yeah, and it inludes cups
Nov 20 21:10:44 <penguinbait> just for fun, not for use, printed business cards are cheesy!
Nov 20 21:11:00 <cosmo> does it work well without rmb and with virtual kb?
Nov 20 21:11:09 <penguinbait> perforated   edges and all
Nov 20 21:11:25 <penguinbait> It comes with kvkbd
Nov 20 21:11:41 <cosmo> does it open automatically like maemo one does?
Nov 20 21:11:58 <cosmo> i've used xbox linux with xvkbd and it was a pain..
Nov 20 21:11:59 <penguinbait> But I anticipate n810 keybord being very handy
Nov 20 21:12:23 <penguinbait> no, its a icon on task bar, and a floating applet   you can click
Nov 20 21:13:14 <cosmo> i guess i'll have to try..
Nov 20 21:13:16 <pupnik> phone screens too small.  laptops too big.  nokia linux tablet just right
Nov 20 21:13:28 <alterego> Heh
Nov 20 21:13:35 <penguinbait> I really would like     tohave    seen 1024x600
Nov 20 21:13:50 <penguinbait> but perhaps in the 900?
Nov 20 21:14:03 <cosmo> why? the resolution is already enough imho
Nov 20 21:14:03 * alterego does a code audit.
Nov 20 21:14:11 <penguinbait> double the ram triple the processor, and price :(
Nov 20 21:14:14 <cosmo> more than pc's in 90's
Nov 20 21:14:30 <penguinbait> but new software is not coded for pc's in the 90's
Nov 20 21:14:32 * Jaffa 'd like a physically larger screen but doesn't need more pixels. Oh, and I don't want the device to be (much) bigger.
Nov 20 21:15:16 <cosmo> palm had very good usability on 160*160*1. you just need to design ui's well..
Nov 20 21:15:42 <cosmo> maemo currently wastes very much screen estate
Nov 20 21:16:07 <pupnik> right
Nov 20 21:16:10 <bill20r3> indeed.
Nov 20 21:16:23 <pupnik> but... you've got a lot to play with
Nov 20 21:16:26 <penguinbait> matchbox is the problem, we need a new window managerrrrrrrrr
Nov 20 21:16:31 <pupnik> i think the calendar apps do ok
Nov 20 21:16:36 <alterego> There's nothing wrong with matchbox.
Nov 20 21:16:50 <penguinbait> 800x480 is is a waste with matccchbox
Nov 20 21:16:53 <pupnik> heya doc|work
Nov 20 21:17:00 <alterego> Whatever KDE boy ..
Nov 20 21:17:02 <doc|work> hey, I'm looking at memory cards for the n800, what's a good brand/size
Nov 20 21:17:06 <suihkulokki> do I have to repeat my previous rant about DPI or will you guys do some thinking on your own :P
Nov 20 21:17:07 <doc|work> hey pupnik :)
Nov 20 21:17:16 <penguinbait> 35year oldddddddd boy
Nov 20 21:17:18 <doc|work> suihkulokki: rant please
Nov 20 21:17:24 <tko> suihkulokki: yes
Nov 20 21:17:44 * Jaffa thinks a fullscreen interface is much better on the physcial size of screen we've got: don't forget the pixel densities are wildly different between a 160x160 Palm screen, or a 90s VGA screen, or what suihkulokki said :-)
Nov 20 21:17:46 <alterego> Fine .. 35 year old KDE boy.
Nov 20 21:17:55 <pupnik> doc|work: i have some links - just a sec
Nov 20 21:18:12 <doc|work> pupnik: thanks, just not sure how big apps are and the like
Nov 20 21:18:59 <mariorz_> has anyone made a gnome theme? with the foot icon and all?
Nov 20 21:19:39 <cosmo> someone should port amigaos, it would fit well ;)
Nov 20 21:19:48 <Jaffa> Now, the permanent left side nav is potentially wasteful. UME's lack of that, instead having a start-menu esque "Home" button at the top left is better
Nov 20 21:19:57 <suihkulokki> doc|work: unless you enjoy hunt the "pixel to click" game (ala old lucasart adventures), you really need to use quite a few pixels with the n800 dpi
Nov 20 21:20:32 <doc|work> suihkulokki: sorry, I was being a smartarse, have no idea what you're referring to :)
Nov 20 21:20:55 <doc|work> was more a commentary on things in general
Nov 20 21:21:10 <tko> IIRC tigert posted a photo where you can easily see how the tip of the 770 stylus completely covers a 16x16 pixel icon
Nov 20 21:21:29 <Jaffa> cosmo: RISC OS fits quite nicely too: http://www.bleb.org/photos/show.html?id=yVm3GBA
Nov 20 21:21:41 <Jaffa> tko: cool, not seen that.
Nov 20 21:22:02 * Jaffa goes to watch Heroes
Nov 20 21:22:27 <pupnik> http://www.hjreggel.net/cardspeed/speed-by-cards-sdc.html#cdet-ki4   doc|work speed comparisons
Nov 20 21:22:32 <alterego> RISC OS was awesome ..
Nov 20 21:22:58 <doc|work> pupnik: thanks, can the n800 make use of most of those or is it just high-end cameras? also, what's a reasonable size?
Nov 20 21:23:30 <pupnik> Well 1) by default, apps don't go onto the SD cards - just media and your data
Nov 20 21:23:50 <pupnik> (you can reconfigure the device to boot from partitions on the SD card to give more space)
Nov 20 21:24:37 <doc|work> pupnik: ah, ok, so, is there a chance of running out of app space?
Nov 20 21:24:49 <pupnik> using just normal productivity apps, there is plenty of space on the internal flash.
Nov 20 21:24:55 <doc|work> ok
Nov 20 21:24:58 <doc|work> thanks
Nov 20 21:25:09 <lophyte> I wanna try KDE one of these days :P
Nov 20 21:25:36 <pupnik> you can use normal SD and SDHC cards.  There were some issues with some SDHC cards, but i think that has been cleared up
Nov 20 21:26:35 <pupnik> If you want to save money, 2GB SD cards run under 20 bucks now
Nov 20 21:27:41 <pupnik> if you get a SDHC card, some people recommend getting one bundled with a card reader from the mfgr (for the PC) due to reliability/compatibility issues
Nov 20 21:27:54 <amr> anyone here tried the new creative zens?
Nov 20 21:27:59 <amr> the credit card size ones
Nov 20 21:28:33 <doc|work> yeah, I have one 1gb sandisk sd card for a camera and a card reader, might just get another one of those but in 2gb size, should be enough I think
Nov 20 21:29:58 <KDE-RULES-N800> I need to buy 8GB microsd, what are those running?
Nov 20 21:31:33 <doc|work> probably necessary for kde
Nov 20 21:31:35 * doc|work ducks
Nov 20 21:32:04 <doc|work> I'm kindof tempted to see if I can get e17 working on it, just for shits and giggles
Nov 20 21:33:12 <penguinbait> I am going to get afterstep delivered also, IIIIIII used it before, but I could not make a keyboard work on it, so if the n810 solves that, there will be Afterstep for N810 also
Nov 20 21:33:32 <doc|work> funky
Nov 20 21:34:36 <penguinbait> el pollo loco
Nov 20 21:35:07 <lophyte> hmm
Nov 20 21:35:13 <lophyte> 8GB SDHC 79.99
Nov 20 21:35:28 <penguinbait> ohh not bad, wwwhat brand and where?
Nov 20 21:36:15 <lophyte> not sure I'd trust it..
Nov 20 21:36:16 <lophyte> "Adata"
Nov 20 21:36:23 <lophyte> http://www.factorydirect.ca/catalog/product_spec.php?pcode=SE8001
Nov 20 21:36:30 <lophyte> 4GB = $39.99
Nov 20 21:38:10 <penguinbait> 4GB kingston 44 at newegg, does kingston make an 8?
Nov 20 21:38:47 <penguinbait> is microsd and microsdhc different?
Nov 20 21:39:05 <lophyte> sdhc is just >2GB
Nov 20 21:39:30 <penguinbait> kingston has 4GB sdhc for 44$ at newegg
Nov 20 21:39:39 <lophyte> not bad
Nov 20 21:39:49 <penguinbait> microsdhc that is
Nov 20 21:40:16 <pupnik> micro and miniSD cards for N810 thread here - please post benchmark results http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=97947
Nov 20 21:43:09 <penguinbait> Kingston has a 4GB microsd, that has aaa minisd adapter, that has a full SD adapter.  Thats the first micro to mini converter I have seen
Nov 20 21:43:37 <doc|work> will the n800 make use of the performance available in a sandisk ultra II?
Nov 20 21:45:21 <alterego> Would I submit API change suggestions to bugs?
Nov 20 21:45:42 <pupnik> there is a benchmark thread on itt forums doc|work - as i recall it was a better than average card
Nov 20 21:46:10 <doc|work> I'd hope so /L(
Nov 20 21:46:11 <doc|work> :)
Nov 20 21:46:56 <pupnik> *on the N800
Nov 20 21:47:11 <czr> alterego, feature enhancement methinks
Nov 20 21:47:36 <Tieku> what are peoples experienes with the mozilla browser staying logged in between sessions?
Nov 20 21:48:01 <alterego> czr, It's not really an API change. It's more adhering to Gtk standard practises. It shouldn't actually break any code.
Nov 20 21:48:26 <czr> GTK+!
Nov 20 21:48:34 * alterego contemplates making a patch.
Nov 20 21:48:37 <czr> unless you refer to the 1.2 version of the library ;-)
Nov 20 21:48:38 <sp3000> yahoo!
Nov 20 21:48:45 <alterego> I could do it myself and submit the patch to them ;)
Nov 20 21:48:54 <czr> hey sp3000. saw the link?
Nov 20 21:50:00 <tko> alterego: API breaks won't happen too quickly, but please do suggest them
Nov 20 21:50:21 <alterego> Okay tko :)
Nov 20 21:50:27 <tko> alterego: what is it anyway?
Nov 20 21:50:35 * sp3000 graps logs
Nov 20 21:50:37 <tko> everything is perfect already, so... :-P
Nov 20 21:50:42 * sp3000 greps even
Nov 20 21:50:56 <alterego> tko, noticed that the Hildon libraries never seem to use Gtk enumerations.
Nov 20 21:51:11 <alterego> Which would make language binding generation easier ;)
Nov 20 21:51:28 * sp3000 expands context from 10 to 20 lines
Nov 20 21:51:53 <tko> alterego: ah, you mean having a get_type() function for enums?
Nov 20 21:51:56 <alterego> It wouldn't take much to implement the GTypes for each enum. I'l making a list now.
Nov 20 21:52:09 <alterego> tko, yeah. Exactly.
Nov 20 21:52:27 <sp3000> czr: hmm. no?
Nov 20 21:52:29 <alterego> It should actually break API but it would add a feature I'd personally like to use :)
Nov 20 21:52:37 <czr> sp3000, http://koltsoff.com/pub/n800/dbus-send-SystemNoteDialog.png
Nov 20 21:52:37 <alterego> s/should/shouldn't/
Nov 20 21:52:38 <tko> hope the naming scheme is consistent enough to make it actually possible
Nov 20 21:52:39 <infobot> alterego meant: It shouldn't actually break API but it would add a feature I'd personally like to use :)
Nov 20 21:52:43 <czr> sp3000, now that run-standalone.sh works :-)
Nov 20 21:52:51 <sp3000> czr: oh, ok, I found that but not so much context ;)
Nov 20 21:52:59 <czr> sp3000, ah, ok :-)
Nov 20 21:53:10 <lopz> hi
Nov 20 21:53:11 <_Monkey> bonjour, lopz
Nov 20 21:53:17 <alterego> tko, well once I've got my list of enums I'll play with the hildon source and see if I can't make a few patches to add the functionality.
Nov 20 21:53:45 <edt> I have a problem with media player.  It decided not to play streams it used to (eg rocketboom in videocenter).  The stream starts media center, which buffers, and then tells me the steam is not supported.
Nov 20 21:53:49 <edt> ideas?
Nov 20 21:53:49 <alterego> It's interesting that whilst auditing my own code I'm also going through Hildon again ^_^
Nov 20 21:55:12 <edt> is there a package for mediacenter anywhere?
Nov 20 21:58:15 <Tieku> can the n800 play quicktime videos?
Nov 20 21:59:08 <alterego> I believe mplayer can.
Nov 20 21:59:20 <Tieku> cheers. i'll give it a go
Nov 20 22:04:02 <czr> elb, did you ever find out the fix for the dbus_bus_get core-problem?
Nov 20 22:05:27 <elb> czr: no, let me try some more directed inquiries
Nov 20 22:05:52 <czr> elb, no prob :-)
Nov 20 22:09:09 <elb> czr: does g_return_if_fail(0) cause your application to exit?
Nov 20 22:09:32 <czr> elb, the application will abort internally _in_ dbus_bus_get
Nov 20 22:09:39 <czr> without the functione ever returning to the app
Nov 20 22:09:40 <elb> right, I understand that
Nov 20 22:09:45 <elb> I'm asking a different question
Nov 20 22:09:50 <czr> indeed :-). hmm
Nov 20 22:09:54 <czr> let's see
Nov 20 22:10:05 <czr> ah. let's not see. I'm not using GLib.
Nov 20 22:10:18 <elb> at all?
Nov 20 22:10:21 <elb> so, no Gtk+?
Nov 20 22:10:24 <czr> no GTK+
Nov 20 22:10:27 <elb> hmm
Nov 20 22:10:27 <czr> no GLib
Nov 20 22:10:28 <czr> just libdbus
Nov 20 22:10:51 <czr> (and it's just an example program)
Nov 20 22:11:08 <maddler> evening all!
Nov 20 22:12:49 <p|> wtf....
Nov 20 22:13:21 <edt> is there any place to download a mediacenter deb for bora?  Mine seems to be corrupt and I really do not want to reinstall so close to chinook...
Nov 20 22:14:08 <elb> czr: dbu_connection_set_exit_on_disconnect(dbus_connection, FALSE)
Nov 20 22:14:18 <elb> s/dbu_/dbus/
Nov 20 22:14:18 <infobot> elb meant: czr: dbusconnection_set_exit_on_disconnect(dbus_connection, FALSE)
Nov 20 22:14:24 <elb> daggone it
Nov 20 22:14:29 * alterego wonders why hildon/fm are different modules.
Nov 20 22:14:29 <elb> infobot shows my mistake
Nov 20 22:14:33 <elb> s/dbu_/dbus_/
Nov 20 22:17:45 <czr> elb, how can I set it if I don't even get a connection to begin with?
Nov 20 22:18:06 <czr> the application aborts on the function which is supposed to get me a dbus connection :-)
Nov 20 22:18:12 <czr> in the function even :-)
Nov 20 22:18:28 <czr> anyhow, I'll rewrite the text around it until I'll find an answer to that. thanks for trying :-)
Nov 20 22:18:36 <elb> when you call dbus_bus_get, what are you passing it?
Nov 20 22:18:45 <TimRiker> has bluetooth PAN support been integrated with any of the OS releases?
Nov 20 22:18:59 <elb> that function is what fixed it for us
Nov 20 22:19:29 <czr> elb,   bus = dbus_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SESSION, &error);
Nov 20 22:19:38 <elb> we use DBUS_BUS_STARTER
Nov 20 22:19:41 <elb> if that is relevant
Nov 20 22:19:54 <czr> ah yes, but that's different.
Nov 20 22:19:54 <trunneml_> Hi
Nov 20 22:20:01 <elb> that might be to be a service
Nov 20 22:20:08 <czr> that means that "connect to whichever bus activated this process"
Nov 20 22:20:10 * TimRiker notes the topic... irc logs are also at http://ibot.rikers.org/%23maemo/
Nov 20 22:20:14 <czr> in my case it's always the session bus
Nov 20 22:20:27 <elb> yeah
Nov 20 22:20:29 <elb> I don't know
Nov 20 22:20:40 <czr> elb, but I don't think it's really revelent. the problem is that the application will abort when the dbus envvars are not set.
Nov 20 22:20:56 <trunneml_> Anyone has expierens with chinook armel scratchbox?
Nov 20 22:20:57 <czr> setting the envvars will fix the problem obviously, but the function shouldn't really abort internally in any case.
Nov 20 22:21:02 <elb> right
Nov 20 22:21:03 <elb> I agree
Nov 20 22:21:13 <elb> we thought itw as dumb that we had to turn *off* exiting on error
Nov 20 22:21:32 <czr> heh. that might be a separate issue alltogether
Nov 20 22:21:39 <czr> and probably is :-)
Nov 20 22:23:06 <trunneml_> My Scratchbox Chinook ARMEL Target has an empty /usr/share/pkgconfig folder
Nov 20 22:23:16 <trunneml_> is that normal
Nov 20 22:24:40 <mariorz_> any linkage for coding the home desktop applets in python?
Nov 20 22:25:44 <doc|work> http://fukung.net/images/1673/creationism.jpg
Nov 20 22:25:49 <doc|work> whoops, wrong channel
Nov 20 22:26:23 <czr> trunneml_, have you installed the SDK yet?
Nov 20 22:26:36 <elb> czr: I'm looking at the dbus sources here, and it's no surprise it crashes
Nov 20 22:26:46 <trunneml_> yes
Nov 20 22:26:53 <czr> trunneml_, then it shouldn't be empty
Nov 20 22:27:04 <czr> trunneml_, ah sorry. it is :-)
Nov 20 22:27:15 <czr> trunneml_, /usr/lib/pkgconfig/
Nov 20 22:27:21 <trunneml_> hmm
Nov 20 22:27:46 <trunneml_> yes
Nov 20 22:27:50 <trunneml_> super
Nov 20 22:27:54 <trunneml_> thanks alot
Nov 20 22:28:19 <trunneml_> a new question what was the enviroment variable for pkg?
Nov 20 22:28:23 <trunneml_> PKG_PATH?
Nov 20 22:28:38 <elb> czr: looks like compiling dbus with DBUS_DISABLE_ASSERT will "fix" that
Nov 20 22:29:01 <elb> hmmm, but it still shouldn't be aborting due to that
Nov 20 22:29:34 <czr> elb, http://pastebin.com/m1b957fba
Nov 20 22:29:44 <czr> elb, that's what output when dbus_bus_get() is invoked.
Nov 20 22:30:51 <elb> czr: even that should not abort
Nov 20 22:31:04 <trunneml_> Because all are talking about dbus, I have an application that is calling an dbus service. That is starting when it was running at calling time. Is there a posibillity that it would not start.
Nov 20 22:31:05 <czr> hmm.
Nov 20 22:31:18 <elb> czr: is there a useful backtrace in the core?
Nov 20 22:31:33 <czr> elb, I haven't looked at the core, let me see
Nov 20 22:32:14 <czr> there is. wasn't expecting one :-)
Nov 20 22:32:16 <czr> http://pastebin.com/m33c3a562
Nov 20 22:32:35 <czr> hah. that doesn't look very promising :-)
Nov 20 22:33:29 <czr> line 100 is the bus = dbus_bus_get(DBUS_BUS_SESSION, &error);  one
Nov 20 22:34:49 <czr> trunneml_n810_, don't do that
Nov 20 22:35:14 <trunneml_n810_> why?
Nov 20 22:35:21 <czr> because it's evil and unnecessary :-)
Nov 20 22:35:29 <czr> and those two things combined are not nice :-)
Nov 20 22:35:48 <trunneml_> okay *sad*
Nov 20 22:35:51 <trunneml_> :)
Nov 20 22:35:54 <czr> heh. I'm ok with the nick. just you changing it for no reason 100 times :-)
Nov 20 22:37:20 <trunneml_> sorry it was to long on the first and second and ... try
Nov 20 22:39:42 <alterego> That could possibly be more annoying :)
Nov 20 22:41:54 <trunneml_> I'm searching the lib that includes hildon-widgets in chinook
Nov 20 22:41:58 <trunneml_> any ideas?
Nov 20 22:42:06 <alterego> trunneml_, it's renamed to hildon-1
Nov 20 22:42:45 <trunneml_> strange I added it but I can't compile
Nov 20 22:42:47 <trunneml_> strange
Nov 20 22:43:00 <czr> _Monkey, mxr?
Nov 20 22:43:00 <_Monkey> i guess mxr is mozilla cross reference, maintained by timeless, http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test has a number of references including garage, sardine, and chinook
Nov 20 22:43:47 <trunneml_> hildon-widgets/hildon-program.h is missing
Nov 20 22:44:01 <trunneml_> that should be hildon-1 or not?
Nov 20 22:44:10 <czr> hildon-1
Nov 20 22:44:10 <alterego> It should be hildon
Nov 20 22:44:20 <czr> ah. for pkg-config hildon-1
Nov 20 22:44:24 <czr> for includes, hildon
Nov 20 22:44:28 <alterego> Yes
Nov 20 22:44:46 <trunneml_> hildon/hildon-program.h
Nov 20 22:44:47 <trunneml_> ?
Nov 20 22:44:52 <alterego> Yes
Nov 20 22:48:06 <alterego> Well .. That's enough coding for one day me thinks.
Nov 20 22:48:08 <Tieku> on an n800 how do i find out my ip address?
Nov 20 22:49:05 <alterego> Tieku, Connection Manager -> (MENU) Internet connection -> IP address
Nov 20 22:49:29 <Tieku> alterego: cheers :)
Nov 20 22:49:54 <Tieku> is anyone using an n800 to access a samba share?
Nov 20 22:50:04 <alterego> No,
Nov 20 22:50:22 <alterego> Okay .. Maybe _someone_ is ..
Nov 20 22:50:31 <Tieku> :)
Nov 20 22:50:40 <Tieku> no halm
Nov 20 22:50:47 <trunneml_> whats the root password of the n810?
Nov 20 22:51:05 <alterego> rootme ?
Nov 20 22:51:05 <_Monkey> rootme is, like, the default pw
Nov 20 22:51:36 * alterego is jealous .. He wonders if he'll ever get an N810
Nov 20 22:52:00 <trunneml_> no
Nov 20 22:52:26 <trunneml_> rootme doesn't work
Nov 20 22:52:37 <alterego> Meh, just enable r&d mode and use sudo gainroot.
Nov 20 22:52:40 <Tb0n3> you can't just sudo
Nov 20 22:52:46 <Tb0n3> what alterego said
Nov 20 22:53:13 <trunneml_> what?
Nov 20 22:54:18 <Tieku> im trying to log into my n800 via secure shell.does anyone know what username and password to use?
Nov 20 22:54:46 <|R> root/rootme
Nov 20 22:57:15 <Tieku> |R: thank!
Nov 20 22:57:31 <Tieku> isnt that a security risk? :-S
Nov 20 22:57:36 <|R> change it ;)
Nov 20 22:57:36 <_Monkey> |R: that doesn't look right
Nov 20 22:57:39 <gla55_> you should change it of course
Nov 20 22:57:53 <doc|work> why does the n800 run software as root? :/
Nov 20 22:58:03 <doc|work> or does it?
Nov 20 22:58:04 <Tieku> the os will still function correctly with a chnaged root password?
Nov 20 22:58:05 * doc|work waiting on his
Nov 20 22:58:18 <alterego> Tieku, yes.
Nov 20 22:58:21 <Tb0n3> why not?
Nov 20 22:58:27 <Tieku> cheers
Nov 20 22:58:31 <|R> :)
Nov 20 22:58:49 <gla55_> not normally? but theres reasons why you'd want root so
Nov 20 22:59:00 <doc|work> ah, ok
Nov 20 23:08:03 <alterego> Nice,
Nov 20 23:08:12 * alterego has added gtkmozembed support to ruby-maemo :)
Nov 20 23:09:01 <czr> alterego, does it work? :-)
Nov 20 23:09:05 <alterego> I've also fixed a few bugs. Updated the documentation and sanitized about 25% of the source code :)
Nov 20 23:09:17 <alterego> Yup, it works.
Nov 20 23:09:18 <czr> ah, the old "out-of-the-window"-trick ;-)
Nov 20 23:09:33 <alterego> I added VTE support too.
Nov 20 23:09:48 <alterego> Which is quite neat. Thinking of writing "RTerm" :)
Nov 20 23:10:33 <czr> just call it rurm
Nov 20 23:10:48 <alterego> :P
Nov 20 23:10:50 <czr> maybe I'll match it later with Pyrm
Nov 20 23:10:57 <czr> and then we can have a death-match!
Nov 20 23:11:45 <pumpkin-> allo
Nov 20 23:12:00 <pumpkin-> does anyone know what's providing entropy for /dev/random on the N800 and similar?
Nov 20 23:12:09 <alterego> The only reason I want to write a terminal app is because the current osso-xterm isn't customizable enough.
Nov 20 23:12:18 <alterego> I need to change the colour palette
Nov 20 23:12:46 <trunneml_> gdbm any Idea where to find it in chinook
Nov 20 23:12:46 <czr> pumpkin-, internal HW RNG
Nov 20 23:13:02 <czr> pumpkin-, at least it should add to the entropy. but you can add into it yourself too, if you wish
Nov 20 23:13:13 <pumpkin-> czr: but if I cat /dev/random it stops after a while
Nov 20 23:13:18 <czr> pumpkin-, of course.
Nov 20 23:13:22 <pumpkin-> and I can definitely see stuff coming in if I tap on teh screen
Nov 20 23:13:24 <pumpkin-> and stuff like that
Nov 20 23:13:25 <czr> pumpkin-, why are you catting /dev/random?
Nov 20 23:13:30 <pumpkin-> I was wondering what other kinds of events went into it
Nov 20 23:13:37 <alterego> cat /dev/czr/brain > /dev/urandom
Nov 20 23:13:49 <czr> alterego, writing to urandom doesn't work :-)
Nov 20 23:13:54 <alterego> Damnit ..
Nov 20 23:13:59 <czr> and reading from czr/brain doesn't work either
Nov 20 23:14:03 <czr> you'll get ENODEV
Nov 20 23:14:08 <alterego> Hah
Nov 20 23:14:09 <pumpkin-> what's czr/brain
Nov 20 23:14:13 <pumpkin-> and can I write to /dev/random?
Nov 20 23:14:27 <czr> pumpkin-, you can. as root.
Nov 20 23:14:30 <pumpkin-> okay
Nov 20 23:14:42 <czr> writing can also be disabled via ioctl, but I doubt it has in the tablets
Nov 20 23:14:48 <elb> /dev/random will start spitting data again once it has collected more entropy
Nov 20 23:14:54 <pumpkin-> yeah, I know
Nov 20 23:15:08 <pumpkin-> I just wanted an idea of how much entropy I was getting
Nov 20 23:15:13 <elb> you don't want to use it for anything for which you need large amounts of random data
Nov 20 23:15:15 <pumpkin-> whether it was only based on "mouse" events
Nov 20 23:15:29 <pumpkin-> or whether it used other sources too
Nov 20 23:15:39 <elb> (if you *truly* need large amounts of random, and not perturbed pseudorandom, data, you probably need a hardware RNG)
Nov 20 23:16:08 <pumpkin-> nah, I don't need large amounts of it, but I want to make sure there's always a fair amount, even with extremely low hardware interaction with the device by the user
Nov 20 23:16:19 <mariorz> where are the  images, videos, docuemtns folders located on the file system?
Nov 20 23:16:19 <elb> the standard Linux entropy pool uses interface devices, network activity, and "random" latencies in various devices
Nov 20 23:16:27 <elb> (e.g. disk seeks)
Nov 20 23:16:38 <alterego> mariorz, /home/user/MyDocs/.*
Nov 20 23:16:43 <pumpkin-> mmkay, and that still works with a flash disk?
Nov 20 23:16:48 <alterego> For some reason they're hidden.
Nov 20 23:16:54 <elb> no, the disk method won't work with flash disks
Nov 20 23:17:07 <pumpkin-> yeah, I had the feeling I'd have less entropy available on an n800
Nov 20 23:17:10 <mariorz> thanks
Nov 20 23:17:16 <elb> system entropy is relatively easy to exhaust, it is not reasonable to assume there's "always a fair amount"
Nov 20 23:17:26 <elb> even on a standard desktop
Nov 20 23:17:33 <pumpkin-> but if I can write stuff into it, I guess I can throw random mic noise into it or something
Nov 20 23:17:36 <pumpkin-> yeah, I know
Nov 20 23:17:46 <pumpkin-> ah well, not a huge deal
Nov 20 23:17:50 <elb> is there a reason that /dev/urandom is not appropriate?
Nov 20 23:18:01 <pumpkin-> not particularly :)
Nov 20 23:18:03 <elb> for virtually any purpose, it is Random Enough
Nov 20 23:18:23 <pumpkin-> I'm just doing some fairly critical crypto
Nov 20 23:18:25 <elb> it is a pseudorandom number stream, but it is perturbed by actual entropy from the system RNG with some frequency
Nov 20 23:18:30 <czr> elb, actually it might, depending on the flash :-)
Nov 20 23:18:37 <czr> elb, it works on non-mmd flash
Nov 20 23:19:20 <czr> usb flash has non-uniform access times
Nov 20 23:19:25 <elb> non-uniform, but not unpredictable
Nov 20 23:20:01 <elb> disk seeks are effectively impossible to predict past a certain precision, because of mechanical interference
Nov 20 23:22:06 <czr> although using that for entropy is not all that good anyway
Nov 20 23:22:07 <czr> which is what exactly?
Nov 20 23:22:15 <czr> given enough data, the disk seeks are predictable as well
Nov 20 23:22:19 <czr> at least at the resolution of kernel timing sources
Nov 20 23:23:07 <elb> the kernel has excellent timing sources on modern hardware
Nov 20 23:23:14 <elb> and it only uses the lowest-order bits
Nov 20 23:23:40 <elb> the point of the system entropy collection is that any *one* source is such a small percentage of the overall entropy, that minor patterns disappear
Nov 20 23:24:39 <elb> virtually none of hte entropy sources are truly unpredictable at a deep enough level
Nov 20 23:24:46 <elb> computers are, by their very nature, predictable
Nov 20 23:25:06 <elb> even the user at the keyboard & mouse becomes predictable when you consider that the sampling rate is not particularly fast to begin with
Nov 20 23:25:20 <doc|work> what about those crypto boards?
Nov 20 23:25:50 <elb> there are various hardware RNGs which use things like atomic decay or thermal instabilities to create a RNG stream which is truly (at some level) random
Nov 20 23:26:44 <czr> elb, I don't think I disagree with anything you say. just saying that the difference in the entropy you might get from usb flash versus a rotating disk when measuring access times is not that great
Nov 20 23:26:59 <czr> also, I'm not all that sure that linux uses access times anymore
Nov 20 23:27:10 <czr> a lot of the entropy sources were disabled some months ago
Nov 20 23:27:17 <czr> since they were low-quality
Nov 20 23:29:51 <pupnik_> oh, and i need an assembly routine to grab OMAP's clock ticks
Nov 20 23:50:07 <killfill> hi
Nov 20 23:50:23 <killfill> im trying to play some .ogg's with n800 ukmp, and it quits.
Nov 20 23:50:34 <killfill> have gstreamer0.10-plugins-ivorbis installed.
Nov 20 23:50:40 <killfill> is there any way to make this play ogg's?
Nov 20 23:53:29 <pupnik> sure the oggs are there?  filesystem not full?
Nov 20 23:53:40 <pupnik> if so, try with different oggs first
Nov 20 23:53:43 <killfill> can play them with mplayer.. :P
Nov 20 23:54:01 <killfill> hm.. letme start the thing from a terminal
Nov 20 23:54:11 <lardman|tv> read my mind
Nov 20 23:54:18 <lardman|tv> :)
Nov 20 23:54:29 <pupnik> you can also test the gstreamer plugin with gst-tools
Nov 20 23:54:43 <killfill> gobject.GError: no element "oggdemux"
Nov 20 23:54:43 <pupnik> hi lardman|tv did you make that gstreamer ivorbis plugin?
Nov 20 23:55:09 <killfill> acuallt the directory has utf8 chats in it.. but look like there is no ogg codec.. :P
Nov 20 23:55:25 <lardman|tv> I've made one, but it segfaults the dsp kernel, need to debug it but had flu/cold so not been to bothered to program
Nov 20 23:56:24 <killfill> http://pastebin.ca/791612 thats the whole thing
Nov 20 23:56:49 <killfill> how do i install "oggdemux"?.. i never really understood how gst works.. :)
Nov 20 23:58:26 <pupnik> i never had a gst vorbis plugin installed - maybe post your issue to the ukmp feedback page on garage
Nov 20 23:59:16 <killfill> annot use kagu either.. seems to be something about gsrteamer
Nov 20 23:59:22 <killfill> (ah.. damn keyboard)
Nov 20 23:59:24 <lardman|tv> http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2007/08/ukmp-16-is-out.html
Nov 20 23:59:25 <lardman|tv> same error
Nov 21 00:00:13 <lardman|tv> See if it's in his bugtracker
Nov 21 00:00:40 <lardman|tv> tremor dosn't use a demuxer does it?
Nov 21 00:00:47 <lardman|tv> has its own build in
Nov 21 00:00:53 <killfill> tremor?
Nov 21 00:00:57 <lardman|tv> perhaps I'm remembering something else
Nov 21 00:01:14 <lardman|tv> _Monkey: tremor is an integer only ogg vorbis decoder
Nov 21 00:01:15 <_Monkey> OK, lardman|tv.
Nov 21 00:01:24 <lardman|tv> tremor?
Nov 21 00:01:25 <_Monkey> i heard tremor was an integer only ogg vorbis decoder
Nov 21 00:01:37 <lardman|tv> killfill: that :)
Nov 21 00:02:05 <killfill> ah.. :)
Nov 21 00:05:06 <timelyx> people should use the chinook xref more often...
Nov 21 00:05:27 <timelyx> trunneml_'s question is trivially answered by http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=gdbm
Nov 21 00:05:43 <killfill> hm.. http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/
Nov 21 00:06:09 <killfill> os2007 is bora, right?
Nov 21 00:06:50 <YHYHIAMHERE> YES FINALLY got my nokia working prop
Nov 21 00:07:13 <YHYHIAMHERE> i need a firware update on the router what a donut should of tried that a while back
Nov 21 00:07:27 <timelyx> killfill: http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/ has the answer for "bora"
Nov 21 00:08:12 <killfill> ah
Nov 21 00:10:30 <killfill> all righty!
Nov 21 00:10:34 * killfill listening to Zoe... :)
Nov 21 00:11:33 <killfill> first time can make ukmp works
Nov 21 00:15:26 <killfill> looks more "usable" than kagu and canola.. (today)
Nov 21 00:16:01 <pupnik> it's nice to see three players with strong development
Nov 21 00:17:19 <l7> YHYHIAMHERE: what kind of router problem did you have?
Nov 21 00:17:45 <l7> i was reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N800#Problems
Nov 21 00:17:52 <l7> "According to Nokia customer support the N800 does not support 802.1X authentication with EAP-TTLS and PAP. [citation needed]"
Nov 21 00:18:01 <l7> i wonder if this is still accurate
Nov 21 00:18:16 <timelyx> afaik it is
Nov 21 00:18:18 <timelyx> why wouldn't it be?
Nov 21 00:18:33 <timelyx> l7: the other one is bogus
Nov 21 00:18:47 <timelyx> what portion of linux based devices support ogg out of the box?
Nov 21 00:19:53 <lardman|tv> night
Nov 21 00:20:15 <czr> night lardman|gone
Nov 21 00:20:19 <czr> -> gone as well
Nov 21 00:20:23 <timelyx> l7: anyway, there's talk for "problems section?"
Nov 21 00:20:38 <timelyx> i'd vote for deleting the section
Nov 21 00:21:16 <killfill> yup..
Nov 21 00:25:50 <pupnik> i vote for a massive maemo users money drive for lardman :P
Nov 21 00:26:27 <pupnik> 300-500 users at 5-10 dollars a pop!
Nov 21 00:27:07 * pupnik tosses a vorpal bunney after doc|work
Nov 21 00:29:21 <oob> hello
Nov 21 00:33:07 <Tieku> having trouble locating insmod on the n800
Nov 21 00:33:17 <Tieku> has anyone ever used insmod on the n800?
Nov 21 00:39:34 <killfill> ooh cool.. ukmp has a kinetic thingy too!
Nov 21 00:39:49 <fysa> does it include mplayer?
Nov 21 00:39:55 <fysa> or do we have working mplayer yet?
Nov 21 00:40:01 <fysa> (08)
Nov 21 00:40:07 <killfill> mplayer works fine here..
Nov 21 00:41:47 <killfill> err.. where is my volume.. :P
Nov 21 00:42:06 <fysa> my mplayer's default volume was really low for some reason :P
Nov 21 00:42:30 <killfill> oh.. its on the buttons..
Nov 21 00:43:10 <Tieku> im inside x terminal how do i change to root?
Nov 21 00:43:30 <Tieku> su: applet reuirs root privilages
Nov 21 00:43:34 <Tieku> requires*
Nov 21 00:44:45 <killfill> "part mode active"?.. whats this..
Nov 21 00:44:48 <killfill> party
Nov 21 00:45:49 <killfill> ah its like a playlist
Nov 21 00:45:51 <killfill> cool.
Nov 21 00:53:54 <killfill> hm...
Nov 21 00:54:16 <killfill> on playlist, cannot forward/rewing to the next/prv song.
Nov 21 00:54:25 <killfill> where should i bug report this?.. :P
Nov 21 00:55:03 <pupnik> Tieku: sudo gainroot
Nov 21 00:55:57 <Tieku> pupnik: cheers. appeared to be acting funny. i've ended up logging in through a shell with rootme
Nov 21 01:01:04 <killfill> svn: Can't convert string from 'UTF-8' to native encoding:
Nov 21 01:01:05 <killfill> :(
Nov 21 01:01:27 <pupnik> it's  interesting to see how my web traffic closely tracks how much work i put into new releases
Nov 21 01:02:09 <pupnik> killfill: i really hate those issues - maybe you can putz with your locale settings
Nov 21 01:03:44 <killfill> hm..
Nov 21 01:03:46 <killfill> "set your locale to something which can represent the incoming UTF-8 data"
Nov 21 01:04:00 <killfill> i have to now wich language talks the developer(s)?...
Nov 21 01:05:42 <killfill> (never mind)
Nov 21 01:09:58 <pupnik> killfill: did you fix?
Nov 21 01:10:01 <pupnik> how?
Nov 21 01:12:21 <killfill> export LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
Nov 21 01:13:05 <killfill> i actually use LANG=es_ES... just blank LANG, and set that other var.
Nov 21 01:13:23 <killfill> hm.. the playlist thing doesnt really convince me..
Nov 21 01:13:56 <killfill> or its not intuitive.. or it doesnt work as it should (here)... or of course i could be too fool to understand it.. :P
Nov 21 01:16:04 <killfill> oh...
Nov 21 01:16:05 <killfill>             elif CLICKMODE==CLICK_QUEUE:
Nov 21 01:16:06 <killfill>                 self.playQueue(0,0)
Nov 21 01:17:58 <killfill> aha.. it pops the song when playing it....
Nov 21 01:18:15 <pupnik> if you think UI is unintuitive give suggesstion to konttori
Nov 21 01:18:39 <killfill> (does doesnt really here..)
Nov 21 01:19:31 * Tieku managed to access a samba share! :D
Nov 21 01:20:49 <killfill> pupnik: actually.. i think the idea is greate.. it like for "dj-ing" on a party.. you just go a pair of song ahead.. not for a full playlist.. :P
Nov 21 01:21:40 <pupnik> oh a dj-ing app would be huge
Nov 21 01:21:42 <killfill> just doesnt really delete the song from the queue after playing...
Nov 21 01:21:52 <pupnik> omgomgomg
Nov 21 01:22:10 <pupnik> use bluetooth headphones to select and monitor next song - headpone jack plugs into sound system
Nov 21 01:22:18 <pupnik> so you can pick out and cue-up next song
Nov 21 01:22:29 <pupnik> beat-matching, then do your crossfade
Nov 21 01:22:31 <pupnik> omg :)
Nov 21 01:22:33 <killfill> ooh that would be a killer
Nov 21 01:22:36 <killfill> :)
Nov 21 01:23:20 <pupnik> ok this ... must... be made
Nov 21 01:23:31 <pupnik> killfill: can you hack ukmp to add it?
Nov 21 01:23:38 <pupnik> i think ukmp has the rtsp support
Nov 21 01:23:49 <oob> digital beatmixing is heresy
Nov 21 01:24:01 <killfill> heh..
Nov 21 01:24:19 <killfill> pupnik: well at least i could try.. :P
Nov 21 01:24:35 * killfill trying to motivates to make some time to finnaly do something usefull with his n800.. :P
Nov 21 01:24:54 <killfill> how does people write python proggies?.. directly on the n800?
Nov 21 01:25:44 <pupnik> the only python program i hacked on - i did it through ssh right on the 770
Nov 21 01:37:50 <killfill> err..
Nov 21 01:38:04 <killfill> ok sudently i have 135 proceses of ukmp...
Nov 21 01:55:39 <killfill> oh.. the thing actually runs on a PC..:)
Nov 21 02:14:57 * doc|home just got his n800 :)
Nov 21 02:15:28 <rghosh> from which store?
Nov 21 02:15:43 <doc|home> ncix.com pricematched against directcanada.com
Nov 21 02:21:39 <K`zan> Gizmo installs on 2007 and fbreader seems to be working right now...
Nov 21 02:21:53 <rghosh> i'd like to see an n800 video wall
Nov 21 02:22:15 <rghosh> pointless but fun
Nov 21 02:22:52 <K`zan> LOL, that IS the point, if someone will send me 500 of them, I'll give it a go :-).
Nov 21 02:23:55 <rghosh> heh, indeed.  or failing that do it at as a collaborative effort at a conference or whatever
Nov 21 02:24:41 <K`zan> Would be interesting, but taking it out of the case is a little scary at this point considering I have had it less than a week :).
Nov 21 02:27:13 <doc|home> well shit, a linux wireless setup that "just works" (tm). Never thought I'd see the day :)
Nov 21 02:27:26 <K`zan> Amazing, isn't it :-).
Nov 21 02:27:44 <K`zan> I felt the same way about the sound stuff at one point...
Nov 21 02:28:39 <doc|home> hehe
Nov 21 02:28:45 <doc|home> me too, then they created alsa :o
Nov 21 02:29:14 <doc|home> hmmm, sooner they get os2008 the better, rendering's not the fastest on scrolling
Nov 21 02:30:40 <K`zan> Still have problems, but basic sound works.  WOuld like my USB headset to be a bit easier to get going and the BT headset, but I'm happy it works as well as it does :-).
Nov 21 02:31:51 <pupnik> doc|home: give the touchscreen a good workout in the first few days - test with sketching apps
Nov 21 02:32:10 <doc|home> why's that? bad history?
Nov 21 02:32:33 <pupnik> i couldn't say how many have had problems percentage-wise.  but a handful of people have at least.
Nov 21 02:32:47 <doc|home> I'm liking touch scrolling on the page, much better performance than using the scroll bar
Nov 21 02:32:58 <pupnik> yeah that's really convenient
Nov 21 02:33:21 * doc|home ponders heading down to local cafe to show up all those powerbook/macbook pro people ;)
Nov 21 02:33:46 * doc|home "has the intertubes on teeny shiny much cheaper package"
Nov 21 02:34:10 <K`zan> Having an easily portable wifi now, I notice there seem to be a lot of open WAPs named "linksys"...
Nov 21 02:34:31 <doc|home> K`zan: hehe, yeah, here too
Nov 21 02:35:45 <K`zan> Amount of wifi nodes is rather amazing, just don't know what they story really is on using open WAPs...  After they arrested that kid for using the libraries after hours, I'm a bit leery...
Nov 21 02:36:38 <doc|home> they have to prove it was you
Nov 21 02:36:42 <K`zan> Gizmo / SIP is really neat on the n800, just talked with a friend I have know for 10 years or so down in .au for about a half hour :-).  Quality was great...
Nov 21 02:37:03 <doc|home> ekiga working?
Nov 21 02:37:03 <K`zan> True, probably as easy as finding out who has the WAPs to ask permission from :).
Nov 21 02:37:11 <doc|home> hehehe, exactly
Nov 21 02:37:19 <K`zan> Something about easier to beg forgiveness than ask permission...
Nov 21 02:37:26 <doc|home> does gizmo support pure sip with non-gizmo accounts?
Nov 21 02:37:55 <K`zan> Haven't tried that - I set it up a SIP contact somehow in 2008 and it didn't do squat.
Nov 21 02:38:19 <K`zan> I don't think the leaked 2008 works perfectly on the n800 at this point, sure doesn't on mine.
Nov 21 02:38:34 <doc|home> I'm removing skype and rhapsody. I'll never use them
Nov 21 02:38:46 <K`zan> Number of small problems.  Nothingreally major.
Nov 21 02:39:02 <doc|home> er, if I can
Nov 21 02:39:20 <K`zan> Good luck, I couldn't delete apps out of the panel under 2008.  All I could do is delete folders and moving an app took MANY attempts if it worked at all.
Nov 21 02:39:22 <doc|home> no updates available, that's somewhat surprising
Nov 21 02:39:33 <doc|home> seems you're right, lame
Nov 21 02:39:52 <K`zan> Well, 2008 hasn't been released yet, so things like that are not real surprising.
Nov 21 02:40:29 <K`zan> I heard that the n810 is an n800 with a keyboard and GPS, but I don't know for sure.
Nov 21 02:40:33 <doc|home> oh, wait, yeah, I'm on 2007
Nov 21 02:40:46 <doc|home> sounds like it, nicer hardware too. more compact
Nov 21 02:40:58 <doc|home> but the n800 is an even better package than I was expecting
Nov 21 02:41:01 <K`zan> I went back to 2007 last night and a number of things seem to work OK in 2007 that didn't in 2008.
Nov 21 02:41:30 <K`zan> I got a rather abysmal camera in the n800, I'd personally rather be able to choose my GPS and keyboard...
Nov 21 02:41:37 <doc|home> heh, yeah
Nov 21 02:41:51 <K`zan> I got a good GPS :), just not BT :-(.
Nov 21 02:47:19 <K`zan> Trying to find that "camera" app....
Nov 21 02:49:38 <doc|home> where do you get your lock code?
Nov 21 02:50:49 <K`zan> Default IIRC is 12345, can change it someplace in control panel.
Nov 21 02:51:54 <K`zan> Found it...
Nov 21 02:51:56 <doc|home> sweet, thanks, that did it
Nov 21 02:51:58 <doc|home> where is it?
Nov 21 02:53:55 <rghosh> anyone know how to differentiate between os2007 and os2008 reliably in python runtime?
Nov 21 02:54:24 <rghosh> we're afraid platform.uname() may be too specific
Nov 21 02:54:41 <rghosh> we used this up to now to distinguish desktop and tablet at runtime
Nov 21 02:54:48 <K`zan> How does one remove apps from the menu / panel in 2007?!?
Nov 21 02:55:57 <doc|home> K`zan: I just created a new folder called unused and dragged them into new folder
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