**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Nov 25 02:59:56 2007
Nov 25 03:20:18 <corevette> so kde 3 works on nokia internet tablets, has anyone tried kde 4?
Nov 25 04:11:35 <l7_> so, did anyone score some good internet tablet gear deals on black friday?
Nov 25 04:11:52 <l7_> the igo stowaway was 30 bucks on amazon
Nov 25 04:12:25 <l7_> i'm wondering if there is a nicely discounted gps reciever or sd card out there though
Nov 25 04:16:38 <l7_> gps?
Nov 25 04:18:42 <[pablo]> fry's has a 2gig microsd for $8
Nov 25 04:18:54 <l7_> ah nice
Nov 25 04:19:06 <[pablo]> i wish i woulda seen that before I spent $30 on mine heh
Nov 25 04:19:19 <l7_> hrm that would be $16 for 4gigs
Nov 25 04:19:24 <l7_> or $32 for 8gigs
Nov 25 04:19:29 <l7_> i guess it's a nice deal
Nov 25 04:19:36 <[pablo]> in seperate cards eyeah
Nov 25 04:19:44 <[pablo]> the 8gig microSDHC cards should be coming out soon
Nov 25 04:19:49 <l7_> yeah that's kinda tough
Nov 25 04:20:01 <[pablo]> definitely getting one of those once they come out
Nov 25 04:20:11 <l7_> ah you're running the n810
Nov 25 04:20:28 <[pablo]> that's one thing I don't get about the n810, if they didn't have room for a full SD why not just go with microSD
Nov 25 04:20:31 <[pablo]> yeah
Nov 25 04:20:31 <l7_> yeah, i dunno if it's worth it to buy small cards for my n800
Nov 25 04:20:43 <[pablo]> 3 days now
Nov 25 04:20:49 <l7_> there is a micro to mini adaptor
Nov 25 04:21:09 <[pablo]> yeah i know, i got one, and i'm pretty sure 80% of 810 users will
Nov 25 04:21:17 <[pablo]> the other 20% wont know it's an option heh
Nov 25 04:21:25 <[pablo]> micro has a higher capacity than mini
Nov 25 04:21:44 <[pablo]> and i dont think they are going to go any higher on mini, because they can just do it with micro
Nov 25 04:22:14 <l7_> ah
Nov 25 04:22:20 <l7_> http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=142629
Nov 25 04:22:54 <l7_> yeah, there doesn't seem to be much incentive to develop mini
Nov 25 04:23:15 <[pablo]> yeah, i got this little sandisk kit that came with a full sd and a minisd adapter
Nov 25 04:23:15 <l7_> any idea if the quality of the adaptor matters?
Nov 25 04:23:36 <l7_> nokia probably should have just given the n810 a microsd
Nov 25 04:23:53 <[pablo]> that's what I think
Nov 25 04:23:57 <l7_> i can't understand why they didn't, except as a last minute mistake
Nov 25 04:24:13 <[pablo]> i also think nokia should make a bluetooth HSDPA modem for thier tablets
Nov 25 04:24:21 <l7_> unless they really really want to sell their 16gb nokia branded minisds :)
Nov 25 04:24:45 <[pablo]> if those existed they would be selling tons of them anyways =P
Nov 25 04:24:55 <l7_> heh
Nov 25 04:25:15 <[pablo]> if you look at the n810 accessories page on nokias site, it lists microsd cards and not mini lol
Nov 25 04:25:20 <l7_> doesn't anyone else have HSDPA modems?
Nov 25 04:25:37 <[pablo]> none that will work on a tablet, short of actual phones
Nov 25 04:25:39 <l7_> i wonder where you can get dataplans for those anyhow
Nov 25 04:25:57 <[pablo]> it would be the same as a cellular card for your laptop
Nov 25 04:26:16 <[pablo]> just connect via bluetooth instead of pcmcia/express/usb
Nov 25 04:27:01 <l7_> hrm, never had a cellular card
Nov 25 04:27:04 <l7_> it is a cool idea though
Nov 25 04:27:45 <l7_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA#Adoption
Nov 25 04:27:46 <l7_> So far, 171 device models from 47 suppliers have been launched, comprising: 53 handsets, 35 notebooks, 30 datacards, 19 wireless routers, 15 modems, 11 embedded module, 2 wireless modules, 1 wireless residential gateway, 1 media player, 1 camera, 1 GPS handset, 1 convergence platform & 1 baseband processor. For details, see gsmworld.com/HSPA.
Nov 25 04:27:56 <|R> full SDHC would have been good with 32GB card around the corner next year...
Nov 25 04:27:58 <[pablo]> yup, cellular speeds don't yet exceed EDR bluetooth speeds, so it wouldn't be a compromise at all, it could replace laptop cards
Nov 25 04:28:35 <l7_> i wonder if anyone out there is trying to hack one together
Nov 25 04:28:43 <[pablo]> yeah, from what I understand though, they didn't go with full sd because of size issues
Nov 25 04:30:32 <pupnik> so [pablo] how bout you disassemble your N810 and upload pics? ;)
Nov 25 04:31:16 <[pablo]> you sir, are going to burn in hell for that LOL
Nov 25 04:31:27 <[pablo]> i think you hurt it's feelings
Nov 25 04:31:36 <pupnik> :)
Nov 25 04:31:49 <l7_> lol
Nov 25 04:32:09 <pupnik> i'm curious whether that 2GB internal is surface mount on a board, or just some kind of card wedged in-to a corner
Nov 25 04:32:30 <[pablo]>  couldn't find anything accessible without removing the cover
Nov 25 04:32:33 <[pablo]> i looked too
Nov 25 04:32:34 <[pablo]> heh
Nov 25 04:32:40 <l7_> there's one sure way to find out...
Nov 25 04:32:47 <l7_> well two sure ways i guess
Nov 25 04:33:13 <[pablo]> it's used up almost entirely with map data
Nov 25 04:33:41 <[pablo]> hopefully once maemo mapper gets to a working condition on the 810, i can remove all that crap and have 2 free gigs of storage =)
Nov 25 04:37:06 <pupnik> i'm confused - whats the diff between maemo mapper and built-in map application
Nov 25 04:37:53 <derf> They are not in any way related?
Nov 25 04:38:34 <pupnik> the default is gpsdrive?
Nov 25 04:42:10 <l7_> everyone seems to say that maemo mapper is the best?
Nov 25 04:42:45 <pupnik> seems so, but i want a map application that can cache a bunch of maps offline
Nov 25 04:43:46 <ThomasM> Adding cache routines to a downloader is generally pretty trivial, especially if there's a single point of download entry (they all get queued through a specific method or class).
Nov 25 04:46:13 <l7_> hrm, does anyone know which gps model thoughtfix has here?
Nov 25 04:46:15 <l7_> http://tabletblog.com/2006/01/gps-arrived.html
Nov 25 04:46:30 <ThomasM> pupnik: http://gnuite.com:8080/nokia770/maemo-mapper/ Looks to handle both having stored files and insta-downloading.
Nov 25 04:46:40 <pupnik> yaay ty
Nov 25 04:47:09 <l7_> it looks like an iblue 737, but maybe an older one
Nov 25 04:47:38 <ThomasM> pupnik: It caches anything it downloads, or you could set something up to download all the maps you wanted in an area (would require a bit of math).
Nov 25 04:48:09 <derf> No it wouldn't.
Nov 25 04:48:15 <derf> There's a "download area" tab.
Nov 25 04:48:28 <ThomasM> derf: Heh. A lot simpler than writing it from scratch.
Nov 25 04:48:54 <ThomasM> I wrote something similar a while back to convert images into tiles that could be used in Google Maps overlays. The math's not non-trivial, but there is some good example code. You could take that to get the tile coordinates, and then set up a download queue, as a separate PC application.
Nov 25 04:51:47 <fysa> I think Google broke it
Nov 25 04:51:48 <fysa> ?
Nov 25 04:51:52 <fysa> was using something like that last year.
Nov 25 04:57:06 <ThomasM> To download a bunch of maps? You can still do it. You'd want to set your program up to take a while to execute if you're retrieving a huge set of tiles, and throw in extra, random waiting. No sense hammering their servers, especially where you should know you would need that in advance.
Nov 25 04:57:31 <ThomasM> There are no sudden "I need all of North Carolina from 8 to 17 zoom" decisions. :)
Nov 25 05:00:09 <K`zan> Jeez, ubuntu is a frigging MESS.
Nov 25 05:01:04 <l7_> so who did you guys vote for in the n810 contest?
Nov 25 05:02:20 <K`zan> Blew network setup totally and I seem to have separate screen resolutions for boot, kdm and user.
Nov 25 05:02:57 <K`zan> Back to deb4, I'm tired of beating on it.
Nov 25 05:03:48 <pupnik> try sidux
Nov 25 05:04:57 <l7_> pupnik: the n810 seems to use this: http://www.wayfinder.com/internettablet
Nov 25 05:05:13 <l7_> i think the 770 gps kit has the same thing
Nov 25 05:55:57 <l7> coolest idea since the powerglove -> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=99544
Nov 25 05:56:22 <[pablo]> tha's a lofty statement
Nov 25 05:56:28 <[pablo]> the power glove was siiiiick
Nov 25 05:56:44 <|R> :D
Nov 25 05:57:01 <|R> a windows watch?
Nov 25 05:58:07 <l7> heh
Nov 25 05:58:15 <l7> |R: an n800 glove!
Nov 25 05:58:28 <l7> "I love the Power Glove...it's so bad!"
Nov 25 05:59:50 <pupnik_> tech is not where i'd hoped it would be by 2005
Nov 25 06:00:11 <|R> indeed...
Nov 25 06:01:32 <[pablo]> i don't think it's where anyone thought it would be in 2005 =P
Nov 25 06:03:56 <l7> what do you mean?
Nov 25 06:03:59 <l7> no flying cars yet?
Nov 25 06:05:02 <|R> no aluminium clothes either.. :(
Nov 25 06:06:12 <[pablo]> ask and ye shall receive ... http://www.medievalware.com/Riveted-Aluminum-Mail-Shirt-p/300138rm.htm
Nov 25 06:06:34 <|R> haha
Nov 25 06:06:54 <[pablo]> pimp your self out in the style of the future |R!!!
Nov 25 06:07:16 <|R> the future of the 11th century!
Nov 25 06:07:30 <|R> be in the future, 10 century late :D
Nov 25 06:12:05 <pupnik_>  that's pretty cheap
Nov 25 06:23:19 <|R> any idea what could be used as a temper proof case with a lock that can be chained to something for the n8x0 ?
Nov 25 06:23:42 <|R> (i'm thinking of something to lock the n8x0 to a city light or some similar situation)
Nov 25 06:24:06 <|R> So it can be used as temporary mesh relay boxes...
Nov 25 06:24:44 <[pablo]> seems kind of expensive for relay boxes ...
Nov 25 06:24:57 <[pablo]> plus no easy way to throw in an external antenna
Nov 25 06:25:07 <|R> yeah i know... could be something else i guess...
Nov 25 06:25:23 <|R> just trying to figure out a lockable, easily transportable, temper proof case...
Nov 25 06:25:42 <|R> (well not blow torch proof, but good enough to survive 12h in urban areas ;)
Nov 25 06:27:01 <[pablo]> hmmm
Nov 25 06:27:02 <|R> let's say, create a mesh route along a manifestation's path
Nov 25 06:27:12 <|R> so people can stream live to the net video/picture feed ;)
Nov 25 06:27:16 <[pablo]> cheap firesafe's from wal-mart?
Nov 25 06:27:32 <|R> Don't these things weight a ton ?
Nov 25 06:27:46 <|R> i could just go with huge safes yeah but uhm...
Nov 25 06:28:00 <|R> if i can't fit 4-6 in a backpack, it's kind of useless :)
Nov 25 06:28:26 <[pablo]> oh
Nov 25 06:28:30 <[pablo]> no truck? heh
Nov 25 06:28:36 <|R> hehe no :)
Nov 25 06:28:50 <|R> (pretty theoretical problem in my head actually...)
Nov 25 06:29:07 <|R> Just trying to create that crazy geek / cypherpunk utopia ;)
Nov 25 06:29:35 <|R> portable open devices + mesh + i2p + credential/openID based social net + whatever...
Nov 25 06:29:37 <[pablo]> =)
Nov 25 06:30:03 <|R> real p2p for the people :P
Nov 25 06:31:41 <zoran> cypherpunk was so goo idea that it must die
Nov 25 06:31:44 <zoran> *good
Nov 25 06:31:48 <|R> haha :)
Nov 25 06:32:06 * |R is keepin' the dream alive! ;)
Nov 25 06:32:10 <zoran> lasts a day to send mail, but who cares
Nov 25 06:32:27 <oil> hi, would you be able to share your sources.list for n800/os2007 ?
Nov 25 06:32:32 <zoran> I think all those servers has gone
Nov 25 06:32:33 <|R> you're talking about a specific implementation?
Nov 25 06:32:49 <zoran> |R, me?
Nov 25 06:32:59 <|R> yes? :)
Nov 25 06:33:34 <zoran> hm, I cannot get account anymore. do you know any working box?
Nov 25 06:35:53 <zoran> no nym-s or I can't find them
Nov 25 06:36:24 <|R> zoran : but you mean... nyms for ...?
Nov 25 06:36:49 <|R> when i said cyherpunk you seemed to have equated that with a software or product... i was just talking about the concept behind the movement :)
Nov 25 06:36:50 <zoran> this days it is not possible to move lines all over, but the idea is good
Nov 25 06:37:07 <zoran> |R, yes, we are talking about the same thing
Nov 25 06:37:24 <|R> have you tried I2P ?
Nov 25 06:37:34 <|R> i haven't yet... but it looks very promising
Nov 25 06:37:43 <zoran> tor is nice idea
Nov 25 06:37:45 <|R> onion routing at the IP layer :)
Nov 25 06:37:58 <|R> I2P is like TOR on drugs
Nov 25 06:38:17 <|R> well, from what i understand ;)
Nov 25 06:38:25 <zoran> tor is hatred from many isp-s etc
Nov 25 06:40:10 <zoran> now I see how much I forgot about this topic!
Nov 25 06:40:26 <zoran> mixminion is new term for me
Nov 25 06:40:33 <|R> hehe :)
Nov 25 06:40:52 <zoran> and no more nym ar alike
Nov 25 06:44:34 <lopz> bye
Nov 25 06:44:45 <zoran> |R, interesting reading
Nov 25 06:48:11 <zoran> btw, most anonymous remailers used pgp only some time ago; gnupg now, I hope
Nov 25 06:48:58 <|R> hehe haven't heard much about them since anon.penet.fi ;)
Nov 25 06:49:37 <zoran> ah, dead in 13th sentury
Nov 25 06:49:43 <zoran> *centiry
Nov 25 06:49:46 <|R> hehe yeah
Nov 25 06:49:50 <zoran> *century
Nov 25 06:50:09 <zoran> I had an account and made files by the hand
Nov 25 06:50:38 <zoran> it was the pleasure and cannot imagine app doing this
Nov 25 06:51:20 <pupnik_> |R: cool re mesh
Nov 25 06:53:19 <|R> pupnik_ : i talked to the OLSR guys and one guy from the company that paid to get an IP autoconfig plugin coded should release the code within a week
Nov 25 06:53:40 <|R> so with that we can get mobile adhoc mesh on / off automagically :]
Nov 25 06:53:48 <|R> (at least i hope ;)
Nov 25 06:54:23 <pupnik> wow
Nov 25 06:54:36 <|R> it's a good thing i asked
Nov 25 06:54:58 <|R> he said nobody had asked for that code until now... go figure, i would have thought that this would be the most requested feature
Nov 25 06:55:29 <|R> maybe it's still way to obscure or something...
Nov 25 06:56:47 <pupnik> maybe you need
Nov 25 06:56:51 <pupnik> a high laptop density
Nov 25 06:57:20 <pupnik> what is the range between mesh nodes?
Nov 25 06:57:24 <K`zan> Night all
Nov 25 06:57:33 <hugol1> night? I just woke up
Nov 25 06:57:35 <hugol1> ;)
Nov 25 06:57:37 <|R> i still have no clues
Nov 25 06:57:51 <|R> i intend to learn at the same time i compile those softwares...
Nov 25 06:58:17 <|R> hehe 2 am here :)
Nov 25 06:58:20 <hugol1> |R:  if I understand you, what you are trying to do is some kind of routing through peoples wifi?
Nov 25 06:59:07 <|R> hugol1 : yep
Nov 25 07:00:08 <hugol1> that be cool, but do you think is doable besides trying to send an email to my neighbour? I mean what range do you think it can achieve in real live?
Nov 25 07:00:21 <|R> first thing first, p2p at OSI layer 1... than, you can work everywhere off net, or with net gateways but rellies less on carriers in emergency and as a ballance to their monopolistic tendancies ;)
Nov 25 07:00:43 <|R> hugol1 : range between nodes or overall length of multi-hop mesh networks?
Nov 25 07:01:30 <|R> i know a guy in australia played with the OLPC mesh and got a link from 2km away from multi-hop i guess (it didn't say in the video)
Nov 25 07:02:15 <hugol1> |R:  overall lenght
Nov 25 07:02:42 <hugol1> the best aplication I can see with this is calling your friends for free if they live near
Nov 25 07:03:14 <|R> basically it's going to be 802.11b/g range multiplied by the number of people in a straight line
Nov 25 07:03:40 <|R> hehe yes that would be good, or walking in the forest with a group of friend and geotagging each other on a map over a mesh
Nov 25 07:04:07 <|R> distributed music plugins?
Nov 25 07:04:09 <|R> whatever!
Nov 25 07:04:10 <|R> haha ;)
Nov 25 07:05:12 <|R> I'd really like to push for more mesh use day to day to get away from carriers...
Nov 25 07:05:24 <|R> and than for I2P over that for a pseudonymous layer...
Nov 25 07:05:47 <|R> than we can go back to the net as it was 15 years ago...
Nov 25 07:06:51 <hugol1> |R:  geotagging with wifi works with a generous error range
Nov 25 07:07:03 <|R> i was wondering how we could define trust (ecash/credentials?) to be able to do something like eBay but in a p2p way
Nov 25 07:07:27 <|R> hugol1 : but i mean, with GPS, not triangulation :)
Nov 25 07:07:39 <hugol1> oh, I see
Nov 25 07:07:59 <hugol1> |R:  actually with the wimax version, this you are talking about could be quite useful
Nov 25 07:08:28 <|R> yeah that too, as long as you securely transmit it and only to people you decide...
Nov 25 07:09:39 * |R really has a crush on anything distributed for it's freedom/resilience potential ;)
Nov 25 07:10:01 <hugol1> by the way, is there any web with a how to on how to get nfs on the n800 automatically, I have installed the packages, but everytime I reboot I have to insmod and then mount
Nov 25 07:10:29 <|R> i know there is Wizard Mounter...
Nov 25 07:10:34 <|R> but i haven't tried it after installing it...
Nov 25 07:10:41 <hugol1> |R:  it didnt worked for me
Nov 25 07:10:43 <|R> (if that can be of any help, i don't know)
Nov 25 07:10:45 <|R> hehe ok
Nov 25 07:10:58 <hugol1> the installation of the deb file failed
Nov 25 07:11:01 <[pablo]> has anyone here gotten mplayer working on OS2008?
Nov 25 07:11:55 * |R still waiting for his n810 discount code go signal to get 2008...
Nov 25 07:12:20 <zoran> |R, there will be a lot of no-no from officials
Nov 25 07:12:28 <[pablo]> the media that comes with os2008 has been choking on everything I have thrown at it
Nov 25 07:12:58 <[pablo]> media player*
Nov 25 07:13:52 * |R dreams of a world where the n800 boots off an encrypted root (/) partition, mesh with their neighboor, log in to I2P and exchange psedonymously rich multicast-p2p data...
Nov 25 07:15:09 <zoran> |R dreams of n800 having it's own will
Nov 25 07:15:48 <|R> haha
Nov 25 07:16:11 <zoran> not a big issue
Nov 25 07:16:18 <zoran> possible now
Nov 25 07:16:29 <|R> actually, i dream of pushing the open nature of technology to its limit
Nov 25 07:16:45 <zoran> but why if n800 has sudo as master manager
Nov 25 07:16:56 <|R> making even the network protocol behave like a human language ... that like real life can carry stuff efficiently in different way depending on your technical culture
Nov 25 07:17:21 <zoran> teke a look at comp bios-es
Nov 25 07:17:34 <zoran> they all come more win friendly
Nov 25 07:17:37 <pupnik> bluetooth is good for sharing info
Nov 25 07:17:49 <pupnik> hmm
Nov 25 07:18:07 * |R is way too abstract in general :|
Nov 25 07:18:21 <|R> i wrote a couple of articles way back on guerillartivism.net on that subject...
Nov 25 07:18:26 <zoran> there is new proposition protocom to replace wimax
Nov 25 07:18:41 <|R> wimax is going to be just ISP driven i think...
Nov 25 07:18:42 <zoran> just like |R dreams
Nov 25 07:19:08 <zoran> driven by who wants it, probably
Nov 25 07:19:29 <zoran> and a lot of people do not want
Nov 25 07:19:36 <zoran> almost none
Nov 25 07:19:59 <|R> well, if it's the same price/speed as cable but without a cable... i'd take it i guess
Nov 25 07:20:04 <|R> but it's still not "it"
Nov 25 07:20:04 <|R> hehe
Nov 25 07:20:11 <|R> (but i would ditch my cell phone too)
Nov 25 07:20:20 <|R> peer with my asterisk :)
Nov 25 07:20:40 <zoran> better bandwidth and all gonna loveit
Nov 25 07:21:21 <|R> yeah, people are suckers for gizmos before freedom ;)
Nov 25 07:21:37 <|R> and thus america will die...
Nov 25 07:21:42 <zoran> freedom vs money and leasure time
Nov 25 07:22:48 <zoran> people want one (MS) button with "on/off" on it
Nov 25 07:23:13 <pupnik> television
Nov 25 07:23:21 <|R> actually it's more like, M$ wants to have ON/OFF on people's brain
Nov 25 07:23:22 <zoran> or even w/o button, it shoule itself find when to be on
Nov 25 07:23:42 <zoran> |R, it did
Nov 25 07:24:05 <zoran> good friend of mine dislikes linux even he has so many probs with his win box
Nov 25 07:24:25 <zoran> better nothing than linux
Nov 25 07:25:13 <zoran> someone saw movie "water machine" ?
Nov 25 07:25:28 <zoran> about folk making machine to work on water
Nov 25 07:25:41 <pupnik> ?
Nov 25 07:25:43 <|R> any good?
Nov 25 07:25:54 <zoran> and industry measures to hide and destroy whole thing
Nov 25 07:26:17 <zoran> fine movie, if you like the genre
Nov 25 07:32:35 <|R> ok, going to bed, good night :)
Nov 25 07:32:48 <pupnik> cheers
Nov 25 07:33:21 <[pablo]> does anyone know of a repository that has the libmad0 package?
Nov 25 07:43:08 <cookie> hello guys
Nov 25 07:43:28 <pupnik> i think this video finally snapped my brain
Nov 25 07:43:31 <pupnik> hi
Nov 25 07:43:31 <_Monkey> hey, pupnik
Nov 25 07:43:34 <pupnik> sorry [pablo]
Nov 25 07:43:36 <cookie> On a nokia 770, is it possible to install OS2007 or OS 2008
Nov 25 07:43:36 <cookie> ?
Nov 25 07:44:26 <pupnik> 2007HE yes
Nov 25 07:44:40 <cookie> what is the Hacker Edition
Nov 25 07:44:41 <_Monkey> i heard the Hacker Edition was my friend.
Nov 25 07:44:49 <cookie> what is the difference
Nov 25 07:44:49 <cookie> ?
Nov 25 07:45:08 <pupnik> OS2007 is for N800  2007HE is for 770
Nov 25 07:45:34 <cookie> yeah, but is there any difference? except this
Nov 25 07:45:35 <cookie> ?
Nov 25 07:45:40 <[pablo]> pupnik: sorry for?
Nov 25 07:45:46 <pupnik> dunno... try gronmayer
Nov 25 07:47:11 <cookie> what does flashing mean?
Nov 25 07:47:18 <cookie> upgrade the version of the os?
Nov 25 07:51:01 <pupnik> yes
Nov 25 07:51:19 <pupnik> or more precisely, to reinstall an image of an OS
Nov 25 07:51:28 <pupnik> s/reinstall/install/
Nov 25 07:51:29 <infobot> pupnik meant: or more precisely, to install an image of an OS
Nov 25 07:54:26 <pupnik> cookie: cookie 2007HE will be able to run most apps compiled for the N800 / OS2007
Nov 25 07:55:09 <cookie> oooh
Nov 25 07:55:30 <cookie> Is it possible to run gcc on OS2006
Nov 25 07:55:35 <cookie> latest edition
Nov 25 07:55:36 <cookie> ?
Nov 25 07:56:50 <pupnik> dunno
Nov 25 07:57:07 <cookie> Does anybody have gcc installed on nokia 770
Nov 25 07:57:07 <cookie> ?
Nov 25 07:57:30 <pupnik> i don't know anyone who says "i use gcc on the tablet"
Nov 25 07:57:56 <cookie> can you install bash
Nov 25 07:57:57 <cookie> ?
Nov 25 07:58:00 <pupnik> yes
Nov 25 07:58:02 <cookie> or does it come with a shell
Nov 25 07:58:05 <cookie> ?
Nov 25 07:58:10 <pupnik> comes with busybox
Nov 25 07:58:25 <cookie> well, on bash you can have gcc
Nov 25 07:58:45 <cookie> or at least you have apt
Nov 25 07:58:53 <cookie> and you can use apt to install gcc
Nov 25 07:58:55 <pupnik> the shell is unrelated to the compiler.  gcc can be launched from csh, bsh, bash, zsh or busybox :)
Nov 25 07:59:15 <cookie> you're right
Nov 25 07:59:22 <pupnik> but if you mean, can you run command-line apps - yes it is easy and very much like a little linux computer :)
Nov 25 07:59:29 <pupnik> is this cookie from angband?
Nov 25 07:59:39 <cookie> angband
Nov 25 07:59:39 <cookie> ?
Nov 25 07:59:44 <cookie> what is angband
Nov 25 07:59:45 <cookie> ?
Nov 25 07:59:55 <pupnik> an old ASCII game
Nov 25 08:00:01 <pupnik> roguelike
Nov 25 08:00:26 <cookie> well, it does have apt utilit, right?
Nov 25 08:00:33 <pupnik> yes - works just like debian
Nov 25 08:00:35 <cookie> utility*
Nov 25 08:00:42 <pupnik> apt-get, apt-cache
Nov 25 08:00:47 <cookie> perfect
Nov 25 08:01:05 <pupnik> if i had a port open i could let you ssh onto mine and play around :)
Nov 25 08:01:07 <cookie> thanks
Nov 25 08:01:30 <cookie> you can install sshd on the tablet
Nov 25 08:01:33 <cookie> that is soo cool
Nov 25 08:01:36 <pupnik> you're welcome - yes
Nov 25 08:01:39 <cookie> and I gues ftpd too
Nov 25 08:02:01 <cookie> thanks
Nov 25 08:14:02 <veriquex_> exit
Nov 25 08:20:42 <[pablo]> i found libmad0 in extras-devel on maemo but it wont install =/
Nov 25 08:21:45 <[pablo]> and adding the repo to my catalogue doesn't make it show up in application manager
Nov 25 08:21:59 <[pablo]> i manually downloaded the file the repo points to and tried to install it
Nov 25 08:25:34 <pupnik> what was the error?
Nov 25 08:26:00 <[pablo]> Incompatible application package
Nov 25 08:28:37 <pupnik> ok do you have a terminal open [pablo] ?
Nov 25 08:28:48 <[pablo]> yeah
Nov 25 08:29:22 <pupnik> then you should be able to install with
Nov 25 08:29:26 <pupnik> apt-get install libmad0
Nov 25 08:30:02 <[pablo]> i cant get root
Nov 25 08:30:14 <pupnik> ok
Nov 25 08:30:25 <pupnik> these lib*** libraries *should* install automatically
Nov 25 08:30:34 <pupnik> whenever you install a package that requires them
Nov 25 08:30:49 <pupnik> but some packagers fail to include proper dependencies
Nov 25 08:30:52 <[pablo]> yeah, but it's not showing as available
Nov 25 08:31:03 <[pablo]> it says it's a dependency that's not provided
Nov 25 08:31:12 <pupnik> second - lib*** libraries don't show as regular installable packages in application managers
Nov 25 08:31:25 <pupnik> s/managers/manager
Nov 25 08:31:41 <[pablo]> really? cuz a lot of them are listed there
Nov 25 08:31:49 <[pablo]> i tried an apt-cache search for libmad0
Nov 25 08:31:56 <[pablo]> here is what I get ...
Nov 25 08:31:58 <pupnik> i mean in the GUI manager
Nov 25 08:32:16 <[pablo]> some error about a bad entry in my sources.list
Nov 25 08:32:22 <[pablo]> for devicescape
Nov 25 08:32:43 <[pablo]> i need to get root somehow to fix this heh
Nov 25 08:33:01 <pupnik> yes or change entries in sources.list with app manager
Nov 25 08:33:37 <[pablo]> i tried, it wont let me edit this one because it's malformed, and it's in /etc/apt/sources.list and not the seperate one for AM
Nov 25 08:36:49 <[pablo]> sweet i got root =)
Nov 25 08:38:17 <oil> btw. do you know if I can make ukmp just to check the new covers, without starting the application itself?
Nov 25 08:38:39 <[pablo]> well, that did it
Nov 25 08:39:01 <[pablo]> that line in sources.list apparently kept it from updating all the sources not just the malformed one
Nov 25 08:39:13 <[pablo]> mplayer showed up in AM and installed just fine once I fixed that
Nov 25 08:39:17 <[pablo]> stupid devicescape
Nov 25 08:39:20 <Prez> hello
Nov 25 08:39:34 <Prez> is there an n800 channel, not specific maemo developer?
Nov 25 08:39:53 <[pablo]> this is pretty much it, not everyone here is a developer
Nov 25 08:40:49 <Prez> ok, maybe someone can help me, I have checked all over te tablet, how can I remove my email account from n800?  i got too much mail and app doesn't open up and taking up lots of cycles
Nov 25 08:40:57 <Prez> i want to remove email from tablet
Nov 25 08:41:52 <pupnik> Prez: you can find the files taking up much room by using the terminal (xterm)
Nov 25 08:41:54 <pupnik> then delete them
Nov 25 08:42:07 <Prez> pupnik: I actually want to disable my email account
Nov 25 08:42:07 <pupnik> open xterm
Nov 25 08:42:08 <pupnik> type
Nov 25 08:42:08 <pupnik> du
Nov 25 08:42:14 <pupnik> dunno how to do that
Nov 25 08:42:21 <Prez> me either :-)
Nov 25 08:42:45 <Prez> I cannot find anywhere to disable email like u can disable IM accounts
Nov 25 08:44:45 <[pablo]> in os2008 you can only do it in the mail client
Nov 25 08:44:58 <[pablo]> i ran into the same proble
Nov 25 08:44:59 <[pablo]> m
Nov 25 08:46:23 <Prez> [pablo]: ok, the internet app finally opened, super slow, trying to refresh ok, i see accounts in menu.. that must be it
Nov 25 08:46:34 <Prez> maybe there should be a setting in control panel
Nov 25 08:46:42 <Prez> so as not to have to open client to configure accounts
Nov 25 08:48:33 <[pablo]> well, the only reason it was done differently with IM and SIP was for 'presence' purposes
Nov 25 08:48:46 <[pablo]> im and sip are, in theory, always on features of the tablet
Nov 25 08:48:48 <[pablo]> mail is not
Nov 25 08:56:59 <czr> mornink
Nov 25 08:57:56 <[pablo]> morning
Nov 25 08:57:56 <_Monkey> aloha
Nov 25 08:58:34 <[pablo]> mmm mplayer, no h264 support though =/
Nov 25 08:59:51 <pupnik> mplayer seems to play everything i have... is h264 some apple thing?
Nov 25 09:00:39 <czr> it's the codec used for some hdtv transmissions
Nov 25 09:00:43 <czr> hardly anything to with apple
Nov 25 09:00:53 <czr> about 2-3 times as heavy as mpeg4
Nov 25 09:01:10 <czr> I think it's now part of mpeg4 as well, some high-end profile, might be mistaken as well
Nov 25 09:01:11 <pupnik> oh yes, that thing that needs a pentium 2ghz to play back
Nov 25 09:01:25 <czr> or more
Nov 25 09:01:54 <czr> a friend is having difficulty decoding canal digital streams with a dual core (open source codec, there's a windows coded that uses both cores that is able to survive the streams)
Nov 25 09:02:03 <[pablo]> it is being pimped by apple, and it does SD as well as HD
Nov 25 09:02:15 <db48x> better quality though
Nov 25 09:02:17 <[pablo]> ipod's play h264
Nov 25 09:02:26 <czr> ah. interesting.
Nov 25 09:02:41 <czr> I thought it was more rare. but I don't follow apple stuff anyway.
Nov 25 09:02:44 <[pablo]> i wouldn't expect the n810 to do HD h264 heh
Nov 25 09:02:56 <[pablo]> but most standard quicktime format podcasts these days are encoded in h264
Nov 25 09:03:49 <pupnik> fuck the word podcast
Nov 25 09:04:02 <pupnik> pardon me
Nov 25 09:04:12 <[pablo]> oh it's okay, i agree
Nov 25 09:04:49 <pupnik> i suppose it does have a valid semantic niche, and it's short and understandable
Nov 25 09:04:51 <[pablo]> but most people look at you dumb when you say independent media or the like
Nov 25 09:05:10 <pupnik> yeah - it will probably become generic like 'post it'
Nov 25 09:05:13 <[pablo]> i was involved in independent media way before the term was coined
Nov 25 09:05:18 <[pablo]> we didn't really call it anything though
Nov 25 09:05:19 <pupnik> mhm
Nov 25 09:06:14 <[pablo]> but yeah, independent media is the only kind I consume as far as broadcast goes
Nov 25 09:06:21 <[pablo]> i refuse to watch broadcast television anymore
Nov 25 09:07:11 <pupnik> ditto
Nov 25 09:07:31 <[pablo]> but I love me some entertainment
Nov 25 09:07:49 <[pablo]> so i'm stuck with netflix and 'podcasts' heh
Nov 25 09:10:11 <pupnik> yes -
Nov 25 09:10:14 <pupnik> much better than the tv
Nov 25 09:10:37 <pupnik> so many great clips online
Nov 25 09:11:02 <[pablo]> i did fall victim to season one of heroes though
Nov 25 09:11:11 <[pablo]> but i never watched it on tv heh
Nov 25 09:12:41 * czr reminds himself about season 2 heroes
Nov 25 09:12:44 <czr> I'm way back
Nov 25 09:13:00 <[pablo]> i refuse to see any until it's all out
Nov 25 09:13:18 <czr> "I refuse to work until they start running BSG again"
Nov 25 09:13:20 <[pablo]> i hated being a slave to next weeks episode
Nov 25 09:13:27 <[pablo]> lmao
Nov 25 09:13:41 <czr> no need to be a slave :-)
Nov 25 09:13:48 <[pablo]> oh but i was
Nov 25 09:13:50 <[pablo]> at the end of a show
Nov 25 09:13:54 <[pablo]> i just wanted the next one
Nov 25 09:13:57 * czr knows what [pablo] means
Nov 25 09:14:07 <[pablo]> so i'm just gonna hold out until i can have them =)
Nov 25 09:14:18 <czr> interesting strategy
Nov 25 09:14:38 <czr> do you hold off using software until it has no reported bugs left too? :-)
Nov 25 09:14:49 * czr hides & runs
Nov 25 09:15:02 <[pablo]> hell no, that's fun, there is something I can actually do about that =)
Nov 25 09:15:56 * czr nods
Nov 25 09:16:12 * czr needs some music to kick off the day
Nov 25 09:16:26 <[pablo]> i vote for some dynamite hack - boyz in the good
Nov 25 09:16:28 <[pablo]> hood*
Nov 25 09:16:46 <czr> np: Art of Trance: Easter Island (Original)
Nov 25 09:16:53 <czr> I guess slightly different genre :-)
Nov 25 09:17:07 <[pablo]> heh =)
Nov 25 09:17:32 <[pablo]> trance would just put me back to sleep =)
Nov 25 09:18:14 * czr shrugs
Nov 25 09:18:52 <[pablo]> brb smoke break
Nov 25 09:24:54 <czr> bleh. ironic that I'm not getting my sf pwd reset mail in order to send a patch against one program. bleh.
Nov 25 09:25:43 <guardian> morning
Nov 25 09:25:43 <_Monkey> aloha
Nov 25 11:07:58 <Ed77> Hi guys. Does anyone here happen to have N810 with non-English layout?
Nov 25 11:25:04 <[pablo]> Ed77: they don't really exist yet
Nov 25 11:25:26 <Ed77> Well, I have Russian one :)
Nov 25 11:25:33 <[pablo]> really?
Nov 25 11:25:37 <[pablo]> how did you get it?
Nov 25 11:26:29 <Ed77> Just got it. Never mind.
Nov 25 11:26:44 <[pablo]> you should put up some pictures of it, it's been a pretty common request because nokia has yet to release any pictures of them
Nov 25 11:27:02 <Ed77> Do you have N810?
Nov 25 11:27:14 <[pablo]> a US one yes
Nov 25 11:27:34 <Ed77> Good. Would you mind to test some application for it?
Nov 25 11:27:56 <Ed77> It's tuxtype. Keyboard typing trainer.
Nov 25 11:29:08 <Ed77> ???
Nov 25 11:29:23 <[pablo]> are you having a problem with it?
Nov 25 11:30:16 <Ed77> Nope. But I want to be sure it works on sombody's else device before releasing it.
Nov 25 11:31:26 <[pablo]> eh, I tend to stay away from alpha software
Nov 25 11:31:37 <Ed77> OK. No problem.
Nov 25 11:33:31 <Ed77> Just one question. How do you manage to distingwish between alpha and production software on maemo? Just curious :)
Nov 25 11:41:24 <timelyx> Ed77: production software has been used on 100 devices w/o being officially blamed for deleting files or triggering reboots :)
Nov 25 11:42:18 <czr> timelyx, that's like ultra-production then :-)
Nov 25 11:42:37 <Hugol2> timelyx:  ur too picky ;)
Nov 25 11:42:39 <Ed77> The question is where to find this kind of info?
Nov 25 11:44:48 <czr> Ed77, the software that comes with the official image should be considered stable
Nov 25 11:45:03 <czr> anything you install from elsewhere depends on that software per se.
Nov 25 11:46:19 * timelyx coughs
Nov 25 11:46:25 <timelyx> czr: stable is an overstatement
Nov 25 11:46:28 <timelyx> production's ok :)
Nov 25 11:46:39 <czr> ah, I meant to write production :-)
Nov 25 11:47:08 <czr> stable is something I reserve for software which hasn't have any changes for at least a year normally :-)
Nov 25 11:47:16 <Ed77> Now I get it. Everything from maemo/downloads and garage is considered unstable or alpha :)
Nov 25 11:47:19 <czr> although "unmaintained" is sometimes the same thing :-)
Nov 25 11:47:40 <czr> Ed77, you should check that projects' page and comments from people
Nov 25 11:47:46 <timelyx> Ed77: hrm, i think mameo/downloads might have a couple of things w/ > 100 downloads
Nov 25 11:47:50 <timelyx> those should be considered production
Nov 25 11:48:00 * timelyx wouldn't consider anything stable
Nov 25 11:48:07 <timelyx> heck, hello world is likely to break :)
Nov 25 11:48:15 <czr> hello-world does break.
Nov 25 11:48:23 <czr> :-)
Nov 25 11:48:29 <czr> hello-world-app does at least.
Nov 25 11:48:41 <czr> which is slightly ironic, but who am I to say anything :-)
Nov 25 11:48:55 * truls thinks hello-world should atleast do some form of broadcasting
Nov 25 11:48:59 <truls> it's in the name
Nov 25 11:49:09 <czr> heh
Nov 25 11:49:43 <timelyx>  /wallop
Nov 25 11:50:00 <truls> is anyone using scratchbox on ubuntu feisty, and can check if svn-buildpackage works?
Nov 25 11:50:25 <[pablo]> if it's used been somewhat used(size of platform is taken into account) and hasn't caused any major problems, it's generally safe enough for me
Nov 25 11:50:42 <czr> truls, svn-buildpackage? how to check it?
Nov 25 11:50:47 <[pablo]> if i'm the 1st/2nd person using it and I didn't write it, it's to alpha for me
Nov 25 11:51:12 <timelyx> s/to/too/
Nov 25 11:51:44 <truls> czr: just run the command
Nov 25 11:51:52 <czr> truls, http://pastebin.com/m2b6b0284
Nov 25 11:51:57 <czr> incomplete perl install
Nov 25 11:52:14 <czr> hmm. actually something more serious than that
Nov 25 11:52:30 <Ed77> I'm using svn-buildpackage, but not on ubuntu. Does it matter if you're inside scratchbox?
Nov 25 11:52:34 <truls> czr: same problem i'm having
Nov 25 11:52:40 * czr nods at trusl
Nov 25 11:52:43 <truls> Ed77: yes, it links to the one outside i think
Nov 25 11:52:47 <czr> truls even
Nov 25 11:53:25 <Ed77> Nope. My host system is old RedHat 9 without any svn-buildpackage.
Nov 25 11:53:39 <Ed77> scratchbox is isolated environment by definition.
Nov 25 11:54:12 <timelyx> not really
Nov 25 11:54:18 <timelyx> scratchbox is a hack with broken isolation
Nov 25 11:54:21 <timelyx> it isn't a zone or a xen
Nov 25 11:54:23 <czr> indeed
Nov 25 11:54:44 * czr smacks tsavola for not using more glue when patching the holes for sbox
Nov 25 11:54:45 <timelyx> scratchbox is interesting/useful because things can bleed from host
Nov 25 11:54:49 <czr> with a trout!
Nov 25 11:55:07 <Ed77> I tend to disagree. At least for svn-buildpackage. It's isolated as I can see.
Nov 25 11:55:33 <timelyx> Ed77: that depends on how your sbox is configured
Nov 25 11:55:39 <timelyx> but technically it isn't true isolation
Nov 25 11:55:51 <Ed77> Show me some example.
Nov 25 11:55:59 <czr> if it would be isolated, the pastebin wouldn't show absolute paths wrt real host
Nov 25 11:56:02 <czr> Ed77, http://pastebin.com/m2b6b0284
Nov 25 11:57:16 <timelyx>   Bug 2373 - Garage web space never deletes filies
Nov 25 11:57:17 <_Monkey> Bug 2373 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2373
Nov 25 11:57:24 <timelyx> people need to install the microb spellchecker :(
Nov 25 11:57:34 <Ed77> those path are not actually real host paths. They exist inside scratchbox.
Nov 25 11:57:40 <timelyx> anyone here delete horses often?
Nov 25 11:57:43 <timelyx> (just females)
Nov 25 11:57:44 <czr> timeless, it's written using the diminutive form ;-)
Nov 25 11:58:02 <timelyx> actually, that's probably fillies
Nov 25 11:58:47 <czr> ah, my bad Ed77
Nov 25 11:59:02 <Ed77> Don't get me wrong. I agree that scratchbox is a hack. But in this case it doesn't matter. Host system has nothing to do with svn-buildpackage inside scratchbox.
Nov 25 11:59:18 <czr> Ed77, so svn-buildpackage is just broken then in the SD
Nov 25 11:59:20 <czr> SDK even
Nov 25 11:59:23 <timelyx> Ed77: if you stick svn-buildpackage into the passthroughs and don't install it locally ;)
Nov 25 12:00:03 <Ed77> Yes, it's broken in latest SDK.
Nov 25 12:00:30 <Ed77> I'm using it in gregale and bora SDK. Works just fine.
Nov 25 12:01:30 <truls> i'm using bora sdk
Nov 25 12:01:56 <czr> hmm. my pastebin was from chinook
Nov 25 12:02:24 <truls> but i'm using newest scratchbox
Nov 25 12:02:42 <truls> because i first installed chinook and then added bora
Nov 25 12:02:54 <Ed77> That's the problem may be. I'm still using old one.
Nov 25 12:03:10 <truls> so might be using newer maemo3-tools devkit or something
Nov 25 12:03:21 <Ed77> And my own svn-buildpackage, which I got from Debian and built myself.
Nov 25 12:03:42 <czr> hmm. I wonder where it's trying to pull RAND_status from
Nov 25 12:04:14 <truls> i added /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib (iirc) to LD_LIBRARY_PATH, but didn't help
Nov 25 12:04:27 <truls> that atleast made ldd think the stuff was ok
Nov 25 12:04:55 <Ed77> If you really need it I can give you mine. Wana try it?
Nov 25 12:05:04 <czr> ah.
Nov 25 12:05:06 <czr> libcrypto
Nov 25 12:05:15 <timelyx> czr: please move the xserver/osso-maemo bug to systemsoftware:x
Nov 25 12:05:34 <truls> Ed77: sure
Nov 25 12:05:41 <czr> timeless, number please
Nov 25 12:05:52 <truls> Ed77: if you just built it i guess i can just build my own though
Nov 25 12:06:08 <Ed77> truls: Just a moment. I'll upload it somewhere.
Nov 25 12:06:40 <timelyx> czr: *shrug*
Nov 25 12:06:59 <truls> Ed77: no need
Nov 25 12:07:00 <czr> timeless, so what does the "please move the xserver/osso-maemo bug" then mean :-)
Nov 25 12:07:13 <czr> I don't even remember having any xserver bugs
Nov 25 12:07:15 <timelyx> it means i was using longlist and lost the bug number :)
Nov 25 12:07:15 <truls> Ed77: i'll just fix one myself, but was hoping to fix the real problem in scratchbox
Nov 25 12:07:34 <czr> timelyx, bleh. I need a number :-)
Nov 25 12:07:49 <czr> truls, post a bug
Nov 25 12:08:27 <timelyx> i gave you one
Nov 25 12:08:27 <czr> hmm. seems there are other issues as well
Nov 25 12:08:40 <timelyx> Bugzilla Bug 2378
Nov 25 12:08:40 <timelyx> OS2008 App Manager errors with OS2007 catalogue .install files
Nov 25 12:08:40 <_Monkey> Bug 2378 might be found at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2378
Nov 25 12:08:51 <timelyx> gah, what kind of users are these?
Nov 25 12:09:02 * timelyx offers someone a cluebat
Nov 25 12:09:03 <timelyx> please use it
Nov 25 12:09:15 <czr> timelyx, it's not related to X in any way. the url is just an example.
Nov 25 12:09:16 <truls> czr: where?
Nov 25 12:09:31 <timelyx> czr: those things are owned by the packagers
Nov 25 12:09:41 <timelyx> which means it really should be one bug per component/packager
Nov 25 12:09:50 <czr> timeless, the same bug is repeated for almost every package. you suggest I replicate the bug for each?
Nov 25 12:10:20 <timelyx> a bug assigned to daniels will probably be addressed
Nov 25 12:10:24 <timelyx> a generic bug will get lost
Nov 25 12:10:31 <Ed77> So, guys, does anybody want to test tuxtype on N810?
Nov 25 12:10:38 * timelyx wants breakfast
Nov 25 12:10:39 <timelyx> it's 2pm
Nov 25 12:10:43 <czr> timelyx, I doubt that daniels can single-handedly fix a process bug
Nov 25 12:10:50 <czr> truls, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/45778/
Nov 25 12:11:28 <truls> czr: yeah, i know, strange thing is that's fixed if you add /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/lib (iirc) to LD_LIBRARY_PATH
Nov 25 12:11:34 <truls> but svn-buildpackage still wont run
Nov 25 12:12:33 <timelyx> czr: so will you invalidate that bug? :)
Nov 25 12:12:44 <czr> timelyx, of course not :-)
Nov 25 12:12:50 <timelyx> i mean 2378
Nov 25 12:13:01 <czr> arr, give me a sec
Nov 25 12:13:37 <czr> 2378 has nothing to do with me
Nov 25 12:13:57 <czr> or you mean the subject? :-)
Nov 25 12:14:08 <czr> invalidating because of that would be just too nasty :-)
Nov 25 12:14:25 <timelyx> see expected results?
Nov 25 12:15:12 <czr> ah
Nov 25 12:15:37 <timelyx> the reporter does get points for including expected results :)
Nov 25 12:15:42 <timelyx> otherwise you're right :)
Nov 25 12:16:08 <truls> Ed77: replacing svn-buildpackage wouldn't really help, as it's just a perlscript
Nov 25 12:16:17 * truls would have to replace the subversion-libs
Nov 25 12:16:33 <Ed77> It would if you rename one in scratchbox.
Nov 25 12:16:58 <Ed77> may be. Try it.
Nov 25 12:17:07 <truls> ?
Nov 25 12:17:12 <truls> try what?
Nov 25 12:17:19 <truls> like, exactly
Nov 25 12:17:38 * truls can't even build the package yet though, too many tetex deps
Nov 25 12:18:11 <Ed77> show me 'which svn-buildpackage' output
Nov 25 12:18:47 <Ed77> should be something like /scratchbox/tools/bin/svn-buildpackage, right?
Nov 25 12:18:59 <truls> /scratchbox/devkits/maemo3-tools/bin/svn-buildpackage
Nov 25 12:19:12 <timelyx> czr: wow
Nov 25 12:19:20 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=Maemo-Icon-26&find=debian%2Fcontrol
Nov 25 12:19:25 <timelyx> it really was the only hit
Nov 25 12:19:31 <Ed77> OK. Go outside scratchbox and rename it to /scratchbox/tools/bin/svn-buildpackage.broken or something.
Nov 25 12:19:45 <czr> timelyx, I know
Nov 25 12:19:46 <Ed77> Then install svn-buildpackage inside scratchbox.
Nov 25 12:20:09 <truls> Ed77: i'll try when i can get it built
Nov 25 12:20:14 <timelyx> czr: sorry, including search links is appreciated, it teaches people to use them :)
Nov 25 12:20:21 <Ed77> I can give you mine if you want.
Nov 25 12:20:28 <Ed77> I already offered :)
Nov 25 12:20:36 <truls> heh, i know :)
Nov 25 12:20:37 <truls> thanks
Nov 25 12:21:04 <czr> timelyx, what's weird
Nov 25 12:21:10 <czr> hmmh.
Nov 25 12:21:26 <czr> timeless, why does the XB- get stripped when it hits into the Packages list?
Nov 25 12:21:31 <czr> and why no other package contains this?
Nov 25 12:21:48 <czr> I thought originally that the header just was misnamed or something
Nov 25 12:21:55 <czr> but it seems to be correct in the source control file
Nov 25 12:23:32 <czr> timelyx, did you add one?
Nov 25 12:24:03 <timelyx> ?
Nov 25 12:24:21 <czr> "<timelyx> czr: sorry, including search links is appreciated, it teaches people to use them :)"
Nov 25 12:24:31 <timelyx> no
Nov 25 12:24:37 <timelyx> i'm trying to get dressed
Nov 25 12:24:45 <timelyx> or read about required curvature for bananas
Nov 25 12:24:52 <czr> you could do both
Nov 25 12:24:55 <timelyx> please don't ask me how to spell banana in finnish
Nov 25 12:25:04 <timelyx> it's something i was supposed to learn on friday
Nov 25 12:25:07 <timelyx> or whatever day that was
Nov 25 12:25:08 <czr> hah
Nov 25 12:25:13 * timelyx was supposed to learn the days of the week too
Nov 25 12:25:31 <Ed77> banaani :)
Nov 25 12:26:11 <timelyx> banaaniss:a ?
Nov 25 12:26:23 <timelyx> (in banana i trust?)
Nov 25 12:26:59 <tsavola> czr: lalalalalal i'm not listening
Nov 25 12:27:12 <Ed77> Nope. that means 'on the banana'
Nov 25 12:27:47 * timelyx grumbles
Nov 25 12:27:52 <Ed77> or 'in banana' may be
Nov 25 12:27:57 <czr> tsavola, that's why it was a trout. you cannot ignore a trout.
Nov 25 12:28:16 <czr> banaanissa means "in a banana"
Nov 25 12:28:53 <czr> banaanin paalla would be closest to "on the banana", but it's not good finnish :-)
Nov 25 12:29:27 <czr> also, it just sounds plain weird, but I'm guessing it has to do with the unfrequent use of that concept. it's not like people leave their keys on bananas and such.
Nov 25 12:29:55 <timelyx> i like fudge banaanissa :)
Nov 25 12:30:11 <timelyx> ice cream too
Nov 25 12:30:54 <czr> oddly enough, in finnish you'd say "fudge with banana" instead of using "in".
Nov 25 12:31:04 <czr> or ice cream with banana
Nov 25 12:31:09 <timelyx> thats totally wrong!
Nov 25 12:31:23 <czr> no it isn't. you're just incompatible with it :-)
Nov 25 12:31:30 <timelyx> if i did that, i'd end up w/ a cup containing them
Nov 25 12:31:38 <timelyx> certainly that'd be the french result...
Nov 25 12:32:06 <czr> I don't think "coffee with milk" is that uncommon?
Nov 25 12:32:21 <timelyx> that should be milk in its own pouring device
Nov 25 12:32:24 <czr> you hardly ever hear people say "coffee with milk in it"
Nov 25 12:32:27 <timelyx> measure and stir your own :)
Nov 25 12:32:40 * czr puts timelyx in banaaniin.
Nov 25 12:33:06 <czr> you're gonna go crazy because of finnish. sooner or later :-)
Nov 25 12:33:07 <timelyx> what happens when i slip on a banana?
Nov 25 12:33:14 <timelyx> better sooner?
Nov 25 12:33:30 <czr> that's a difficult question.
Nov 25 12:33:45 <czr> I assume you'd first try to correct your balance by shiting your hands here and there
Nov 25 12:34:07 <Ed77> does anyone know what's the right place to put application icon for menu? I put them under
Nov 25 12:34:12 <czr> assuming that'd fail, you'd prolly next think "oh bugger", and then fall over in some uncomfortable way? :-)
Nov 25 12:34:12 <truls> Ed77: ack, not buildable, missing debiandoc2pdf
Nov 25 12:34:17 <timelyx> shiFting? :)
Nov 25 12:34:23 * truls does something else
Nov 25 12:34:35 <czr> shifting. true :-)
Nov 25 12:34:36 <timelyx> i was more wondering about how i'd explain it in finnish
Nov 25 12:34:52 <czr> "liukastuin banaaninkuoreen"
Nov 25 12:34:52 <Ed77> there: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/24x24/hildon/ but menu shows default one.
Nov 25 12:35:42 <timelyx> czr: which translatesS?
Nov 25 12:35:44 <Ed77> truls: Well, what I can only repeat my offer :)
Nov 25 12:35:55 <czr> "liukastuin = I "tripped, but actually more of a sliding thingy"", baanaaninkuoreen = into / because of, but really because an object, "bananapeel"
Nov 25 12:35:59 <truls> Ed77: heh
Nov 25 12:36:15 <czr> I'm not very good at translating language things really :-)
Nov 25 12:36:31 <czr> I'm sure there's a proper translation for 'liukastua', but can't think of any right now
Nov 25 12:36:50 <czr> kompastua would be "to trip over smt"
Nov 25 12:37:13 <czr> liukas = slippery. if that helps :-)
Nov 25 12:37:31 <timelyx> a bit, oddly :)
Nov 25 12:37:38 <czr> and no. kompas does not mean "trippy" :-)
Nov 25 12:38:05 <timelyx> heh
Nov 25 12:38:29 <hugol1> czr:  you know how to get nfs automatically when the n800 reboots?
Nov 25 12:38:44 <czr> hmm. a similar construct: viisas = wise. viisastua = to wisen up/to learn something
Nov 25 12:38:46 <hugol1> or where would be the proper place file to put the insmod's?
Nov 25 12:39:01 <czr> although not the same as "to learn" per se. more of a life experience thingy
Nov 25 12:39:16 <pupnik> write a script czr - test for connection - does os2008 have ping yet?
Nov 25 12:39:31 <czr> pupnik?
Nov 25 12:39:45 <pupnik> i think ITOS uses /etc/rc scripts
Nov 25 12:39:59 <czr> yeah but I'm an innocent bystander :-)
Nov 25 12:40:13 <czr> hugol1, I don't know. I wouldn't mount nfs automatically
Nov 25 12:40:28 <czr> on boot that is
Nov 25 12:40:51 <hugol1> czr:  why?
Nov 25 12:41:23 <czr> hugol1, what happens when there is no network connectivity? what happens when you shut down your server?
Nov 25 12:41:40 <timelyx> czr: fun hangs
Nov 25 12:41:43 <timelyx> what else? :)
Nov 25 12:42:23 <hugol1> Ic, so I better get some way of broadcasting music right?
Nov 25 12:42:37 <hugol1> any opinions on Canola?
Nov 25 12:42:48 <hugol1> its not open source yet
Nov 25 12:43:56 <czr> or, you could write a script that will do the mount. then write another one that will umount, and use those
Nov 25 12:44:08 <czr> are build the autofs module for n800/n810 and use that with automounter and hope it works
Nov 25 12:44:32 <czr> there are many ways. but mounting nfs at boot is not a good one, with a mobile device especially
Nov 25 12:45:34 <pupnik> oh sorry i meant hugol1
Nov 25 12:45:41 <Hugol2> Ok
Nov 25 12:45:49 <timelyx> not using nfs is best ;-)
Nov 25 12:45:57 <timelyx> nfs is hazardous to device stability ;-)
Nov 25 12:46:08 <Hugol2> I think ill broadcast
Nov 25 12:47:18 <timelyx> shoutcast ;-)
Nov 25 12:48:32 <zerojay> Yes, shoutcast. :)
Nov 25 13:07:50 <rubiks> morning
Nov 25 13:07:50 <_Monkey> aloha
Nov 25 13:08:35 <rubiks> todo bien?
Nov 25 13:29:20 <[pablo]> rubiks: do you follow your namesake? =P
Nov 25 13:29:41 <rubiks> meaning?
Nov 25 13:30:09 <[pablo]> rubiks cubes
Nov 25 13:30:11 <rubiks> can i complete the rubiks cube?
Nov 25 13:30:14 <[pablo]> you solve?
Nov 25 13:30:17 <rubiks> yes
Nov 25 13:30:26 <[pablo]> speed cubing specifically i guess
Nov 25 13:30:35 <rubiks> yes
Nov 25 13:30:40 <rubiks> 21 secs
Nov 25 13:30:46 <[pablo]> nice
Nov 25 13:30:56 <[pablo]> what method?
Nov 25 13:31:03 <rubiks> hum...
Nov 25 13:31:32 <rubiks> not sure, because i normally use all methods
Nov 25 13:31:51 <rubiks> i have chris based
Nov 25 13:32:04 <rubiks> not sure of the name
Nov 25 13:32:28 <[pablo]> *nod*
Nov 25 13:33:04 <[pablo]> don't run into many cubers outside of that community
Nov 25 13:33:54 <rubiks> http://www.speedcubing.com/chris/
Nov 25 13:34:16 <rubiks> not sure of the name's method
Nov 25 13:34:29 <zerojay> Didn't know there was a 6x6.
Nov 25 13:34:40 <rubiks> :)
Nov 25 13:34:54 <zerojay> Oh, they plan it all ahead of time.
Nov 25 13:35:05 <zerojay> Bleh.
Nov 25 13:35:11 <zerojay> That makes it a lot less impressive.
Nov 25 13:35:22 <rubiks> yeah
Nov 25 13:35:36 <rubiks> i go by  skibur
Nov 25 13:36:03 <[pablo]> zerojay: really?
Nov 25 13:36:20 <[pablo]> they only have 15-30 seconds to plan it
Nov 25 13:36:20 <rubiks> handle since 1999
Nov 25 13:36:37 <[pablo]> the planning part is the skill
Nov 25 13:36:43 <zerojay> On that page he just posted, the guy says he has 2 hours of planning time.
Nov 25 13:36:45 <[pablo]> i can't quite get that part down
Nov 25 13:36:58 <[pablo]> for a single solve?
Nov 25 13:37:10 <zerojay> So is there special cube grease I don't know about because I've never seen a cube spin that easily.
Nov 25 13:37:51 <[pablo]> it's not really special
Nov 25 13:38:04 <[pablo]> most people just use silicon
Nov 25 13:38:12 <rubiks> I remember when cubers were unique, now we have many buying books
Nov 25 13:38:33 <zerojay> I had never heard of there even being a community for that until now.
Nov 25 13:38:46 <[pablo]> i've only been doing it for a couple years
Nov 25 13:38:50 <rubiks> :)
Nov 25 13:38:52 <[pablo]> i'm not old skool heh
Nov 25 13:38:58 <zerojay> I'm not surprised there is one, but just didnt know about it.
Nov 25 13:39:12 <zerojay> Learn something new everyday.
Nov 25 13:39:31 <rubiks> I've done it on many talent show
Nov 25 13:39:40 <rubiks> always win
Nov 25 13:39:58 <rubiks> until the last one
Nov 25 13:40:12 <zerojay> My kid took an interest in it last week when he found mine. He had no idea what it was.
Nov 25 13:40:15 <[pablo]> nice
Nov 25 13:41:04 <[pablo]> the little ones learn it so much faster =)
Nov 25 13:41:16 <rubiks> judges told me that it was not orginal anymore, so I lost to SINGING and DANCE.  What kinda crap is that!
Nov 25 13:42:25 <czr> rubiks, next time sing while solving
Nov 25 13:42:28 <[pablo]> i wonder if that's what the second guy who climbed everest thought .. "you know, this just isn't original anymore, get me off of this rock"
Nov 25 13:42:31 <[pablo]> lol
Nov 25 13:42:49 <rubiks> lol
Nov 25 13:43:02 <czr> or. hop on one leg
Nov 25 13:43:09 * czr suggests a combination of all three
Nov 25 13:43:20 <[pablo]> what about blindfolded solving?
Nov 25 13:43:26 <czr> too obvious
Nov 25 13:43:40 <czr> solving with hands behind your back
Nov 25 13:43:42 <czr> that'd be something
Nov 25 13:43:46 <rubiks> I can break dance. wind mil while solving the cube. :)
Nov 25 13:43:53 <czr> that'd work
Nov 25 13:43:57 <[pablo]> solve with your feet!
Nov 25 13:44:15 <[pablo]> oh i've got it!
Nov 25 13:44:20 <[pablo]> so you have 3 cubes right
Nov 25 13:44:23 <[pablo]> scramble them all
Nov 25 13:44:30 <[pablo]> study each for 15 seconds
Nov 25 13:44:37 <[pablo]> then start juggling them for a minute or so
Nov 25 13:44:39 <[pablo]> when you're done
Nov 25 13:44:43 <[pablo]> they are all solved
Nov 25 13:44:54 <czr> that'd be pretty impressive
Nov 25 13:44:55 <rubiks> lol
Nov 25 13:44:56 <[pablo]> singing and dancing? pwned indeed!
Nov 25 13:45:08 <czr> + break dance
Nov 25 13:45:21 <[pablo]> haha water almost came out of my nose just now
Nov 25 13:45:24 <[pablo]> thanks czr
Nov 25 13:45:28 <czr> sry :-)
Nov 25 13:45:29 <pupnik> i hated not solving the cube
Nov 25 13:46:35 <[pablo]> pupnik: then you should have solved it
Nov 25 13:46:37 <[pablo]> heh
Nov 25 13:46:59 <rubiks> cubing was great, now I just stick to developing for linux on the Nintendo DS.
Nov 25 13:47:38 <zerojay> One of the guys in my company got fired for doing the same.
Nov 25 13:47:41 <czr> bleh. I hate it when crond doesn't pick up on new cronjobs instantly
Nov 25 13:48:31 <zerojay> Not for working on DS linux, but because he leaked proprietary info on the DS which lead to them figuring out the framebuffer way back.. couple of years ago.
Nov 25 13:48:54 <czr> sloppy :-)
Nov 25 13:49:06 <zerojay> He did it on purpose.
Nov 25 13:49:13 <czr> sloppy for not using freenet :-)
Nov 25 13:49:20 <zerojay> Just didn't realize it was proprietary.
Nov 25 13:49:27 <czr> ah. that sucks
Nov 25 13:49:41 <zerojay> No, not really.
Nov 25 13:49:42 <rubiks> :(
Nov 25 13:49:45 <zerojay> He was an asshole. lol
Nov 25 13:50:23 <czr> :-)
Nov 25 13:50:28 <rubiks> so I'm fueling a criminal?
Nov 25 13:50:37 <zerojay> Two years later, he still sings songs about how he was forced to work 80 hour weeks (which never happened).
Nov 25 13:50:44 <czr> rubiks, depends on whether you're drinking benzene or not :-)
Nov 25 13:50:50 <zerojay> Yes, he wrote a song about it.
Nov 25 13:50:56 <czr> heh
Nov 25 13:50:56 <[pablo]> i hope he doesn't literally sing them
Nov 25 13:50:59 <[pablo]> that would be awkward
Nov 25 13:51:03 <zerojay> Yeah, he does.
Nov 25 13:51:04 <rubiks> lol
Nov 25 13:51:09 <[pablo]> wow
Nov 25 13:51:12 <czr> 80 is pretty steep though. for couple of weeks doable but after that it's not all that productive
Nov 25 13:51:33 <zerojay> czr: He never did more than 45 in a week, but was telling everyone he did 80.
Nov 25 13:51:45 <czr> maybe he wasn't too good at math :-)
Nov 25 13:51:51 <czr> hence the singing career
Nov 25 13:52:07 <zerojay> Heh.. that's bad news for someone that's supposed to be a kick ass programmer. ;)
Nov 25 13:52:16 <rubiks> I would rather listen 2 alica keys 'no one'
Nov 25 13:52:21 <czr> he got his ass kicked, didn't he? :-)
Nov 25 13:52:21 <rubiks> ;)
Nov 25 13:52:47 <zerojay> No, because he sings with several other no-talents at parks and stuff.
Nov 25 13:53:16 <czr> they're also kicked assed programmers? :-)
Nov 25 13:53:17 <[pablo]> his name isn't stallman is it? He sings on occasion too
Nov 25 13:53:17 <zerojay> And they tape each other's "gigs".
Nov 25 13:53:22 <czr> hah pablo
Nov 25 13:53:27 <zerojay> Haha.
Nov 25 13:53:46 <[pablo]> such a great song =)
Nov 25 13:53:48 <[pablo]> lol
Nov 25 13:53:53 <rubiks> :p
Nov 25 13:54:00 <rubiks> link?
Nov 25 13:55:10 <[pablo]> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJUDx7iEJw
Nov 25 13:56:29 <[pablo]> there are better ones
Nov 25 13:56:43 <[pablo]> but i think that one has more of an RMS feel to it
Nov 25 13:58:22 <[pablo]> nothing like RMS singing acapella to bring the room down lol
Nov 25 14:05:26 <fysa> you can get nfs to not hang with the proper options -- it can quite nearly automount transparently.
Nov 25 14:08:36 <rubiks> nice
Nov 25 14:09:32 <rubiks> well hackers, making breakfast.  anybody want pancakes?
Nov 25 14:10:02 <[pablo]> waffles?
Nov 25 14:10:08 <[pablo]> actually, sleep =)
Nov 25 14:10:10 <[pablo]> later folks
Nov 25 14:11:14 <rubiks> later
Nov 25 14:11:44 <rubiks> well... I'm off 2
Nov 25 14:14:10 <Hugol2> fysa:  you have a link where i can read about those nfs options?
Nov 25 15:01:30 <fysa> spacepants:/spacepants/media /spacepants/media nfs soft,intr,rsize=32768,wsize=32768,async,nfsvers=3,bg,actimeo=0,tcp,user
Nov 25 15:01:53 <fysa> that's the fstab I use in my HTPC to automount the fileserver and remount when necessary.
Nov 25 15:02:02 <fysa> it kills locks when the server is down, so apps won't hang.
Nov 25 15:02:22 <fysa> that same line should work, but you can man mount_nfs or something to see the meanings.
Nov 25 15:02:46 <fysa> bg,soft,intr are the most important for keeping things from locking and automounting
Nov 25 15:02:55 <fysa> most of the others are performance-related
Nov 25 15:04:21 <Hugol2> fysa:  sounds great im going to try
Nov 25 15:04:54 <fysa> you using os2008?
Nov 25 15:05:07 <Hugol2> No im on n800
Nov 25 15:06:15 <Hugol2> I know some versions of 2008 are out but waiting for the oficial release
Nov 25 15:06:33 <Hugol2> Does it matter?
Nov 25 15:47:55 <edt> what has to be done to allow networking to work with a box setup for dual boot (os2008 in flash and os2007 on removeable)?
Nov 25 15:48:43 <edt> Is it just a mater of moving the wifi module from os2008 to os2007 or is a completely different module needed?
Nov 25 15:49:02 <pupnik> are you sure it's possible to multiboot 2007 and 2008 on a n8x0
Nov 25 15:49:03 <edt> and maybe new utils on the os2007 image?
Nov 25 15:49:10 <edt> yes
Nov 25 15:49:25 <edt> but wifi does not work on the os2007 boot
Nov 25 15:49:35 <pupnik> aahh
Nov 25 15:49:59 <edt> hense the questions
Nov 25 15:50:51 <edt> I sort of doubt that the older modules from the .18? kernel work with the .21 kernel on the new image
Nov 25 15:51:04 <pupnik> maybe 2007 can be modified to work with 2008 kernel wifi driver
Nov 25 15:51:08 <zerojay> Try it and find out.
Nov 25 15:52:35 <edt> pupnik it probably can...  but module formats can change with kernel releases...  I was wondering if anyone else had figured out how to make it work
Nov 25 15:53:08 <edt> I have a few apps that I would like to have with os2007 that are not available for 08...
Nov 25 15:54:04 <edt> mind you if the browser & media player are backported I would stay with os2007 for a few more months
Nov 25 15:54:07 <pupnik> share your knowledge on a forum thread or wiki, maybe others can help
Nov 25 15:54:14 <captlloyd> My Internet Phone Call (Google Talk) doesn't work on my N810, I can make calls, but noone hears me and I don't hear them
Nov 25 15:54:31 <captlloyd> Not sure where to start
Nov 25 15:54:34 <zerojay> captlloyd: Most likely a firewall problem.
Nov 25 15:54:48 <edt> captllooyd is this with the image from this friday's update
Nov 25 15:55:03 <captlloyd> its the most recent one, I installed it on Friday
Nov 25 15:55:22 <zerojay> I might go back to 42-18.. 42-19 has a busted RSS feed reader.
Nov 25 15:55:36 <captlloyd> Hmm, the feed reader is working fine
Nov 25 15:55:38 <captlloyd> for me
Nov 25 15:55:49 <zerojay> segfaults on every launch for me.
Nov 25 15:55:52 <captlloyd> Weird
Nov 25 15:55:54 <zerojay> And I'm not talking about the home applet.
Nov 25 15:56:22 <edt> captllooyd zerojay is write check your firewall (or isps restrictions) and/or try a different connection
Nov 25 15:56:25 <captlloyd> I use the home applet to launch the reader and it works fine
Nov 25 15:56:28 <captlloyd> Hmm
Nov 25 15:56:44 <captlloyd> What does my firewall have to do special in order to allow talk I wonder.
Nov 25 15:56:45 <captlloyd> I'll check
Nov 25 15:56:49 <edt> zerojay what is not working in the rss reader
Nov 25 15:56:51 <zerojay> Might be NAT.
Nov 25 15:56:55 <zerojay> edt: Nothing.
Nov 25 15:57:00 <zerojay> er..
Nov 25 15:57:03 <zerojay> I mean everything.
Nov 25 15:57:14 <zerojay> Running it results in the window popping up and disappearing.
Nov 25 15:57:17 <zerojay> The app segfaults.
Nov 25 15:57:27 <zerojay> Maybe doesn't like one of my feeds.
Nov 25 15:57:42 <edt> captlloynd nat or blocked ports.  Some isp just let a few ports thru (in effect they are web providers NOT internet providers)
Nov 25 15:57:52 <zoran> md5 check?
Nov 25 15:58:00 <zoran> ah, sorry, wrong screen
Nov 25 15:58:03 <edt> zerojay does a reboot help
Nov 25 15:58:18 <edt> I have had rss stall on os2007 and reboots fix it
Nov 25 15:58:23 <zerojay> Like I said, always segfaults.
Nov 25 15:58:25 <zerojay> Reboot or not.
Nov 25 15:58:44 <captlloyd> I'm using NAT, I'm looking for docs on what ports need to be forwarded
Nov 25 15:59:05 <captlloyd> zerojay: I would think it was maybe a feed it didn't like
Nov 25 15:59:23 <edt> is textra / geekbrief tv working with the new os2008 image
Nov 25 15:59:24 <captlloyd> I hadn't used it before I upgraded to 19.
Nov 25 15:59:44 <hugol1> where is the best place to have the system do insmod rpc.ko/insmod lock.ko/insmod nfs.ko at startup?
Nov 25 16:00:02 <zerojay> local.start, perhaps.
Nov 25 16:00:10 <hugol1> or a better way to have nfs load at startup
Nov 25 16:00:26 <zoran> soft one
Nov 25 16:01:03 <hugol1> zerojay:  local.start is suposed to be at /etc?
Nov 25 16:01:36 <zerojay> hugol1: I don't remember offhand. I think it's supposed to be in rc.d/
Nov 25 16:01:43 <zerojay> at /etc/rc.d/
Nov 25 16:02:20 <zerojay> Might be wrong though.
Nov 25 16:02:37 <hugol1> zerojay:  theres 0 to 6 and S rc.d
Nov 25 16:02:57 <edt> put it in rd.d
Nov 25 16:03:02 <zerojay> hugol1: I don't know then. Could be that the tablet doesn't have it.
Nov 25 16:03:08 <edt> link to the rc.d copy from rc.2
Nov 25 16:03:35 <zoran> if it is made teh same way as on 770, I could check where I put it
Nov 25 16:03:57 <edt> something linke ln -s ../rc.d/local.start S99local.start
Nov 25 16:04:08 <zoran> need time to boot  :)
Nov 25 16:04:16 <edt> when in the rc.d dir
Nov 25 16:05:18 <hugol1> edt:  if I put the file directly into init.d and do the symlinc to there will be fine as well?
Nov 25 16:05:37 <edt> I think so
Nov 25 16:06:00 <sven-tek> Where are password (hashes) stored? there is no /etc/shadow ? Did not found em yet :-)
Nov 25 16:06:28 <zoran> /etc/init.d/minircS
Nov 25 16:06:43 <zoran> just bellow the path
Nov 25 16:07:47 <edt> hugol1 I found that using the filemanager app with large samba dirs would stall my n800.
Nov 25 16:07:58 <edt> command line was ok though
Nov 25 16:08:10 <Ed77> sven-tek: there is no shadow there. Only plain passwd.
Nov 25 16:08:27 <Ed77> I mean shadow is not used at all.
Nov 25 16:08:36 <sven-tek> plain, wow i did not grep for that :-/
Nov 25 16:09:28 <edt> sven-tek at least they did not make it use root all the time - there is some security...
Nov 25 16:10:12 <hugol1> edt:  with nfs its allright. the filemanager (the gui) loaded like 300 gigs of audio and video fine
Nov 25 16:10:20 <hugol1> "fine"
Nov 25 16:10:50 <hugol1> looking arround in google for nfs with n800 I read that nfs offered better performance than samba in the n800
Nov 25 16:11:05 <hugol1> like 30% better in video or something like that
Nov 25 16:11:25 <edt> good to know - samba 'sucked' on the n800
Nov 25 16:11:52 <edt> maybe sucked is a little to strong a word...
Nov 25 16:12:47 <zoran> hugol1, the protocols depend on who made storage available
Nov 25 16:13:30 <hugol1> zoran:  what?
Nov 25 16:13:42 <zoran> samba, nfs...
Nov 25 16:13:51 <hugol1> you mean that the performance depens more on the server than on the client?
Nov 25 16:14:02 <zoran> no, you cannot choose
Nov 25 16:14:16 <zoran> if I give you nfs, no way to complain
Nov 25 16:15:07 <zoran> maybe is the amount of data too much for traffic under
Nov 25 16:15:49 <zoran> btw, fuse?
Nov 25 16:16:16 <hugol1> zoran:  yes, but if Im setting the server as well then I can choose...
Nov 25 16:16:26 <zoran> :)
Nov 25 16:17:06 <zoran> nfs mounts it
Nov 25 16:17:35 <zoran> would be fine to see traffic graphicon with those 2 protocols
Nov 25 16:18:29 <zoran> hugol1, is it world readable or just local net?
Nov 25 16:18:41 <ol_schoola> does anyone stateside really need an 810, really bad?
Nov 25 16:19:01 <ol_schoola> i'm going downtown in a few hours to see the Bears game and can stop at the Nokia store
Nov 25 16:19:02 <zerojay> ol_schoola: Sure, why?
Nov 25 16:19:08 <zerojay> Oh.. never mind.
Nov 25 16:19:14 <zerojay> Thanks for the offer.
Nov 25 16:19:32 <ol_schoola> just offering. i called them and they have plenty in stock
Nov 25 16:19:44 <zerojay> Got the dev discount that I still can't use. :/
Nov 25 16:20:30 <ol_schoola> i'm still having a blast with this month old 800 and don't see the need to upgrade
Nov 25 16:20:50 <ol_schoola> but can pick one up if for anyone having trouble online
Nov 25 16:21:33 <zoran> looks more like buying new device than upgrade  :)
Nov 25 16:21:34 <zerojay> Wish I had the money to just get one straight.
Nov 25 16:21:36 <ol_schoola> there's a UPS store right down the way, conveniently with free Wifi
Nov 25 16:29:00 <timelyx> zerojay: you guys are looking at the hardware wrong
Nov 25 16:29:06 <timelyx> invest your usd in eur, and wait
Nov 25 16:29:16 <timelyx> then when you can spend that 100usd, convert back
Nov 25 16:29:19 <zerojay> timelyx: Huh? What?
Nov 25 16:29:21 <timelyx> and take the difference :)
Nov 25 16:29:39 <zerojay> Hah.
Nov 25 16:29:41 <zoran> even if it takes 100 years?
Nov 25 16:29:46 <sven-tek> think i found a os08 bug, i opened a radio stream (real) in the media player. I can not add that stream to my libary now easy
Nov 25 16:29:48 <timelyx> especially?
Nov 25 16:29:56 <timelyx> think about the profit on that original usd :)
Nov 25 16:30:31 <timelyx> sven-tek: url?
Nov 25 16:30:45 <zerojay> I'm just happy I can laugh at my American friends about the Canadian dollar being higher. :)
Nov 25 16:31:18 <sven-tek> http://www.radioemscherlippe.de/fileadmin/template/webradiopopup.html
Nov 25 16:31:28 <zerojay> I've reflashed the 2008 update just in case I missed something the last time which caused the RSS feed reader to segfault.
Nov 25 16:31:58 <timelyx> hrm, i have a bond movie saved
Nov 25 16:32:01 <zoran> fine reader is rawdog, written in python
Nov 25 16:32:02 <timelyx> it's brosnan too
Nov 25 16:32:56 <zerojay> Don't want another reader.
Nov 25 16:32:59 <zerojay> I want this one.
Nov 25 16:33:22 <timelyx> what's my wep key?
Nov 25 16:33:48 <zerojay> timelyx: 0xDEADBEEF
Nov 25 16:35:37 <zoran> what kind of bluetooth client is on n800/810? something like obexapp or graphical front end over something else?
Nov 25 16:35:43 <zerojay> Nope, still segfaults.
Nov 25 16:36:58 <timelyx> sven-tek: what do i click?
Nov 25 16:37:45 <edt> zerojay I would be nice if nokia provided .debs of packages on the image.  On one of my os2007 images much of mediaplayer does not work.
Nov 25 16:38:05 <zerojay> You must have made changes then.
Nov 25 16:38:12 <edt> nothing I do seems to fix it.  I would love to be able to reinstall just mediaplayer
Nov 25 16:38:25 <edt> zerojay who know to what?
Nov 25 16:38:27 <sven-tek> timelyx, are you on n800? there should be a button
Nov 25 16:38:43 <timelyx> n810...
Nov 25 16:38:43 <_Monkey> somebody said n810 was a mixed blessing. sure it got gps and keyboard. but it got one less memory slot...
Nov 25 16:38:47 <timelyx> what do you mean button?
Nov 25 16:39:10 <zerojay> Looks like removing my backed up feeds now lets the RSS feed reader work.. must have been one of my feeds fucking it up.
Nov 25 16:39:14 * zerojay goes to update his bug.
Nov 25 16:39:22 <edt> I have tried recoping all gst stuff from a clean install along with the mediaplayer files (as determined with dplg -L) but something is still messed up
Nov 25 16:39:38 <timelyx> edt: strace ;-)
Nov 25 16:39:46 <timelyx> (just to get a complete list of interesting files)
Nov 25 16:39:50 <edt> it loads mediaplayer, buffers the video, then complains
Nov 25 16:40:05 <edt> timelyz ya
Nov 25 16:40:21 <timelyx> edt: my guess is nokia doesn't want to make it easy for you to copy selective proprietary bits
Nov 25 16:40:24 <timelyx> certainly, i wouldn't
Nov 25 16:40:44 * timelyx pokes sven-tek
Nov 25 16:40:49 <timelyx> care to specify what the button says?
Nov 25 16:40:55 <timelyx> some of us don't read german
Nov 25 16:41:04 <zerojay> edt: What video would that be? What resolution?
Nov 25 16:41:37 <sven-tek> no video, only radio stream
Nov 25 16:41:40 <timelyx> oh
Nov 25 16:41:48 <sven-tek> it works playing it on my n800 with os08
Nov 25 16:41:50 <timelyx> sorry, you should have said to enable the real plugin
Nov 25 16:41:58 * timelyx doesn't enable plugins :)
Nov 25 16:42:06 <sven-tek> only thingy i miss is a menu-option to add the stream to my fav
Nov 25 16:42:27 <zerojay> Look at the page source, perhaps?
Nov 25 16:42:33 <sven-tek> id like to see noscript and adblock for the browser...
Nov 25 16:42:57 <sven-tek> sure i can find out some way - but os07 had the menu option. os08 not
Nov 25 16:42:57 <zerojay> I've already got ad blocking with Greasemonkey.
Nov 25 16:43:04 <timelyx> i asked the noscript author to port noscript
Nov 25 16:43:08 * timelyx needs to bug him
Nov 25 16:44:54 <timelyx> sven-tek: interesting
Nov 25 16:45:14 <timelyx> you could of course save the playlist
Nov 25 16:45:16 <timelyx> but that's stupid
Nov 25 16:45:33 <timelyx> and you can't get clip details
Nov 25 16:45:47 <timelyx> file a bug, add media bookmark should arguably prefill w/ the current url
Nov 25 16:45:58 <the-FoX> hello
Nov 25 16:46:27 <the-FoX> i try to start mobile mythtv, anyone ever tested this software?
Nov 25 16:47:12 <timelyx> the-FoX: google?
Nov 25 16:47:13 <_Monkey> google is my friend and you should make it your friend too
Nov 25 16:48:35 <the-FoX> google is my friend too, thanks! i already googled, but didn't find any helpfull informations to resolve my problem
Nov 25 16:48:43 <the-FoX> thanks and bye
Nov 25 16:57:26 * sp3000 <3 tracker-search-tool: Results -9 - 0 of 24
Nov 25 16:57:35 <timelyx> heh
Nov 25 16:57:43 <timelyx> nice
Nov 25 16:58:46 <sp3000> it'll let you hit the 'previous' button as many times as you like before it's done figuring out the previous page :)
Nov 25 17:14:13 <GNUton> Hi!
Nov 25 17:15:01 <maddler> hi
Nov 25 17:15:01 <_Monkey> hi, maddler
Nov 25 17:15:22 <maddler> hi
Nov 25 17:15:35 <maddler> hmmm... _Monkey how did you did that? :)
Nov 25 17:15:42 <maddler> [18:15:10]  < maddler> hi
Nov 25 17:15:42 <maddler> [18:15:10]  < _Monkey> hi, maddler
Nov 25 17:15:43 <lopz> hola
Nov 25 17:15:44 <_Monkey> hey, lopz
Nov 25 17:15:47 <GeneralAntilles> He's an evil genius.
Nov 25 17:15:51 <maddler> hehehehe
Nov 25 17:17:36 <timelyx> niihau
Nov 25 17:17:42 <timelyx> nii hau
Nov 25 17:17:49 * timelyx grumbles
Nov 25 17:18:11 <oil_> here is a new way to control maemo os2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0awjPUkBXOU
Nov 25 17:18:41 <GeneralAntilles> By that time Nokia will be implanting them in our skulls.
Nov 25 17:20:25 <pupnik> a lot of money in society is being mis-allocated away from cool technology
Nov 25 17:24:02 <_|Nix|_> Hey! Anyone here know what the proper place for a call to autogen.sh is in a cdbs debian/rules file?
Nov 25 17:24:36 <_|Nix|_> Currently, I have to issue ./autogen.sh before I can dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
Nov 25 17:25:25 <pupnik> _|Nix|_: grepping for it...
Nov 25 17:25:37 <_|Nix|_> pupnik: grepping? Wherein?
Nov 25 17:26:02 <pupnik> scratchbox - not finding any autogen in rules files yet
Nov 25 17:26:18 <pupnik> maybe it's not called explicitly
Nov 25 17:26:34 <_|Nix|_> pupnik: I think cdbs assumes you're starting from configure.
Nov 25 17:26:44 <_|Nix|_> However, I get my sources from a DVCS ...
Nov 25 17:27:10 <pupnik> can you download a debian source package and use its' rules file?
Nov 25 17:27:53 <_|Nix|_> Nowhere near. I spent the whole weekend moving from my own, plain Makefile to a cdbs Makefile. There's no way I'm'na do that again.
Nov 25 17:28:16 <pupnik>  ok i don't understand enough about it
Nov 25 17:28:20 <pupnik> bbl
Nov 25 17:28:29 <_|Nix|_> I got it down to where it does everything my old Makefile used to do, plus some nice cdbs benefits, but no call to autogen.sh.
Nov 25 17:28:44 <elb> you generally don't want to autogen.sh in a rules file
Nov 25 17:28:52 <elb> that's kind of a special circumstance
Nov 25 17:29:07 <_|Nix|_> elb: I know, but I build from monotone - even if it's a tagged rev.
Nov 25 17:29:43 <_|Nix|_> I /really/ don't want to go the route of upstream tarball + patch file.
Nov 25 17:29:47 <L0cutusM> what can i use to see my download/upload speed with xterm on n800?
Nov 25 17:31:16 <_|Nix|_> L0cutusM: You could use connection manager.
Nov 25 17:31:24 <_|Nix|_> However, it'll give you totals, not speed.
Nov 25 17:31:33 <_|Nix|_> Still, you can tell your speed from the totals.
Nov 25 17:31:57 <_|Nix|_> You could also write a small shell script that'll tell you your speed from the total data reported by ifconfig.
Nov 25 17:33:11 <L0cutusM> yes but i know there are some tools that can do that but i can't remember the name
Nov 25 17:33:26 <_|Nix|_> *shrug*
Nov 25 17:37:52 <_|Nix|_> Damn! Building with NSS doesn't work on bora :o(
Nov 25 17:38:21 <_|Nix|_> ... and it's not for the lack of the library. It's the damn build system ...
Nov 25 17:38:29 <_|Nix|_> s/damn/damned/
Nov 25 17:38:29 <infobot> _|Nix|_ meant: ... and it's not for the lack of the library. It's the damned build system ...
Nov 25 17:38:44 <_|Nix|_> *shake head*
Nov 25 17:46:11 <rubiks> torrent
Nov 25 17:46:12 <_Monkey> torrent is probably slow shit
Nov 25 17:46:35 <rubiks> app for n800
Nov 25 17:46:55 <rubiks> under system? or communication?
Nov 25 17:48:17 <SmackPotat> anybody know anything about tslib
Nov 25 17:49:13 <rubiks> which torrent app is good for n800?
Nov 25 17:50:13 <hugol1> rubiks:  Ive seen a soulseek client for n800 arround but not torrent
Nov 25 17:50:29 <rubiks> hum...
Nov 25 17:50:44 <hugol1> rubiks:  though you really want your n800 to handle the torrent downloads?
Nov 25 17:50:45 <rubiks> thanks, i will look into that
Nov 25 17:50:53 <rubiks> nope
Nov 25 17:50:58 <rubiks> lol
Nov 25 17:51:16 <hugol1> then?
Nov 25 17:51:52 <rubiks> just looking for an app 2 see if will handle it
Nov 25 17:53:38 <hugol1> why the n800 doesnt mount what its at fstab automatically?
Nov 25 17:56:41 <hugol1> never mind, my fault
Nov 25 17:57:03 <SmackPotat> there is a command line torrent client somewhere
Nov 25 17:58:29 <rubiks> where at?
Nov 25 17:58:35 <rubiks> searching
Nov 25 17:58:38 <rubiks> ...
Nov 25 17:59:14 <hugol1> how can I make the n800 run a script everytime it connects to a network?
Nov 25 17:59:19 <hugol1> wifi
Nov 25 18:00:49 <_|Nix|_> hugol1: You could have it parse dbus-monitor's output and look for the icd signals emitted upon connection.
Nov 25 18:01:28 <_|Nix|_> hugol1: However, I've never been able to get around the page buffering when I wanna read one command's output in a shell loop.
Nov 25 18:01:43 <_|Nix|_> hugol1: That's a question for #bash, I suspec.
Nov 25 18:01:50 <_|Nix|_> s/\.$/t./
Nov 25 18:02:29 <hugol1> _|Nix|_:  I c, never touched dbus, puts me off
Nov 25 18:02:44 <_|Nix|_> hugol1: dbus-monitor is a console binary.
Nov 25 18:03:23 <_|Nix|_> dbus-monitor | while read ; do if analyze_what_you_read_and_see_if_it_is_interesting; then run_my_script; done
Nov 25 18:03:38 <_|Nix|_> s/done/; fi; done
Nov 25 18:03:44 <_|Nix|_> /say/
Nov 25 18:03:47 <_|Nix|_> Gah!
Nov 25 18:04:39 <hugol1> _|Nix|_:  then whats the problem?
Nov 25 18:04:50 <_|Nix|_> None, really.
Nov 25 18:06:31 <hugol1> (19:01:29) _|Nix|_: hugol1: However, I've never been able to get around the page buffering when I wanna read one command's output in a shell loop. <- then?
Nov 25 18:06:48 <_|Nix|_> Oh, that.
Nov 25 18:07:01 <_|Nix|_> Ask #bash. I'd be interested in knowing, too.
Nov 25 18:07:43 * _|Nix|_ goes pestering the bashians
Nov 25 18:11:22 <SmackPotat> anyone know anything about tslib or the touchscreen in general
Nov 25 18:24:49 <_|Nix|_> Well, the only difference between building ssl-nss.so on Chinook vs. Gregale is -lrt ... what is -lrt?
Nov 25 18:25:51 <_|Nix|_> Aha! glibc-2.3 vs. 2.5 ...
Nov 25 18:26:36 <timelyx> what's ssl-nss?
Nov 25 18:27:46 <_|Nix|_> timelyx: libpurple's ssl-via-nss plugin.
Nov 25 18:27:55 <_|Nix|_> timelyx: As opposed to ssl-gnutls.so
Nov 25 18:28:02 <zerojay> Messing with Pidgin?
Nov 25 18:28:04 <_|Nix|_> timelyx: ... which I'm trying to phase out.
Nov 25 18:28:11 <_|Nix|_> zerojay: Trying to roll 2.3.0
Nov 25 18:28:28 <_|Nix|_> zerojay: I've been told that gnutls is deprecated in favour of nss.
Nov 25 18:28:30 <rubiks> p2p nicotine
Nov 25 18:28:40 <_|Nix|_> So, I'm trying to build without gnutls.
Nov 25 18:28:53 <zerojay> _|Nix|_: I'd help if I could.
Nov 25 18:28:53 <_|Nix|_> Works fine, but only on Chinook.
Nov 25 18:29:12 <rubiks> is it good?
Nov 25 18:29:30 <_|Nix|_> Looks like glibc-2.3 doesn't have the facility to load .sos from non-standard paths.
Nov 25 18:30:10 <_|Nix|_> I might have to hack it for Bora and Gregale: LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/microb-engine run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/pidgin
Nov 25 18:31:01 <timelyx> err
Nov 25 18:31:06 <timelyx> that's bogus
Nov 25 18:31:53 <_|Nix|_> timelyx: It's either that, or the gregale armel scratchbox has a crappy libtool that doesn't know how to build .sos such that they request non-standard paths upon loading.
Nov 25 18:32:09 <_|Nix|_> ... for their dependent .sos.
Nov 25 18:32:34 <timelyx> that's considerably more likely :)
Nov 25 18:33:06 <_|Nix|_> timelyx: Well, I'm reluctant to mess with my build env for fear of never again being able to build anything for pre-Chinook.
Nov 25 18:33:25 <_|Nix|_> I suppose I could back the whole thing up - again.
Nov 25 18:33:31 <_|Nix|_> Oooh ... not a bad idea ...
Nov 25 18:33:37 <timelyx> backup?
Nov 25 18:33:39 <timelyx> how reckless
Nov 25 18:34:06 <hugol1> I have a curious bug, once I start the radio on my nokia n800 if I press stop, all the music stops, not only the radio. I have to leave the radio on with the volume to 0 in order to hear the rest of the programs
Nov 25 18:34:12 <hugol1> *music programs
Nov 25 18:34:13 * _|Nix|_ turns his palms towards his face ... beholds the third-degree-burn scars.
Nov 25 18:34:23 <hugol1> is a known bug?
Nov 25 18:34:43 <_|Nix|_> hugol1: What if you quit the radio?
Nov 25 18:35:12 <hugol1> _|Nix|_:  im using the widget (or whatever its called on n800)
Nov 25 18:35:15 <hugol1> so its allways there
Nov 25 18:35:41 <zerojay> Why would you be listening to music at the same time as the radio?
Nov 25 18:35:51 <_|Nix|_> hugol1: Assuming you mean the desktop applet, can you not turn it off from the home menu.
Nov 25 18:35:54 <_|Nix|_> ?
Nov 25 18:36:47 <hugol1> zerojay:  I wont, but once I have heard some radio and then I press stop, If I open kagu or other music program the musci wont sound (it plays but I get no sound) unless I turn on the radio.
Nov 25 18:37:16 <hugol1> the solution now is to leave the radio on with radio sound to 0
Nov 25 18:37:24 <zerojay> I remember hearing something about this before.
Nov 25 18:37:37 <hugol1> _|Nix|_:  let me try to turn off the desktop applet
Nov 25 18:39:34 <zerojay> Odd.. for some reason, my contacts were imported and a lot of the Jabber contacts were marked as Google Talk contacts instead and since I don't have a google talk account, they don't show up with any presence.
Nov 25 18:39:37 <zerojay> Very odd.
Nov 25 18:40:32 <hugol1> _|Nix|_:  if I make the radio fm desktop applet go away the kagu music stops playing
Nov 25 18:40:48 <hugol1> I have to make it show again and press play to get back kagu music
Nov 25 18:40:53 <_|Nix|_> Wow!
Nov 25 18:40:55 <timelyx> _|Nix|_: btw, you may wish to examine rpath
Nov 25 18:41:17 <_|Nix|_> timelyx: Probably.
Nov 25 18:41:18 <_Monkey> rumour has it probably is :-)
Nov 25 18:41:29 <timelyx> _Monkey forget probably
Nov 25 18:41:30 <_Monkey> timelyx: I forgot probably
Nov 25 18:41:33 <timelyx> _Monkey probably is <reply>
Nov 25 18:41:34 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx.
Nov 25 18:41:46 <hugol1> guess right now 2007 development has stoped and everything is going onto 2008 right?
Nov 25 18:42:08 <hugol1> any aproximate date on a oficial 2008 release for the n800?
Nov 25 18:42:13 <timelyx> what do you mean by development
Nov 25 18:42:23 <timelyx> hugol1: this year, or within 100 weeks
Nov 25 18:42:26 <timelyx> one or the other
Nov 25 18:44:06 <hugol1> timelyx:  thanks, very helpfull
Nov 25 18:44:10 <hugol1> hehe
Nov 25 18:46:09 <_|Nix|_> Wow! This is crazy ... I'm getting rid of my old scratchbox and my free space is slowly creeping back up ...
Nov 25 18:46:25 <_|Nix|_> 0.1GB every, like, 3 seconds.
Nov 25 18:46:38 <timelyx>  why is this shocking?
Nov 25 18:47:05 <_|Nix|_> I'm not shocked. Merely observing how much overhead it is to delete many small files.
Nov 25 18:47:21 <timelyx> zfs destroy :)
Nov 25 18:47:25 <timelyx> much faster
Nov 25 18:47:48 <_|Nix|_> I think it just jumped over my rootstraps ...
Nov 25 18:48:28 <_|Nix|_> Boy ... still at it.
Nov 25 18:49:27 <timelyx> zfs ;-)
Nov 25 18:49:53 <_|Nix|_> Someday, perhaps. But not today.
Nov 25 18:51:12 <_|Nix|_> Woah! Didn't even know scratchbox used ccache ... no wonder there are many small files ...
Nov 25 18:51:17 <_|Nix|_> How do I clear that?
Nov 25 18:51:32 <_|Nix|_> Can I simply rm -rf /scratchbox/ccache?
Nov 25 18:53:23 <timelyx> probably
Nov 25 18:53:31 <timelyx> ccache should be fairly optional :)
Nov 25 18:55:25 <_|Nix|_> find | grep -E '[0-9a-f]{30}-[0-9][0-9]*(\.stderr)?$' | xargs rm
Nov 25 18:55:41 <_|Nix|_> Hope it doesn't break it.
Nov 25 19:12:41 <ol_schoola> hmmm, n800 with 2008 has no sound, control panel indicates "All Sounds Muted"
Nov 25 19:12:48 <ol_schoola> cannot unmute for the life of me
Nov 25 19:13:07 <ol_schoola> my brother was in town and played with it for a while
Nov 25 19:13:40 <ol_schoola> speaker icon on desktop has red line through it
Nov 25 19:14:28 <zerojay> I can help you with that.
Nov 25 19:14:36 <hugol1> ol_schoola:  kill your brother first
Nov 25 19:14:38 <hugol1> ;)
Nov 25 19:14:47 <zerojay> Click on the speaker icon in your status bar to bring up the volume control.
Nov 25 19:14:58 <zerojay> Now, click directly on the speaker icon to the left of the volume bar.
Nov 25 19:16:04 <ol_schoola> omg, i hadn't tried poking the icon on that list, ty
Nov 25 19:16:35 <zerojay> It's not obvious. :)
Nov 25 19:16:55 <ol_schoola> not exactly, but i should have tried that
Nov 25 19:17:02 <zerojay> Worked?
Nov 25 19:17:06 * ol_schoola gives himself 2 demerits
Nov 25 19:17:14 <ol_schoola> yeah, perfect
Nov 25 19:17:18 <zerojay> Great/
Nov 25 19:17:59 <ol_schoola> now i can actually listen to mp3 goodness on the new 8gb external
Nov 25 19:18:09 <ol_schoola> FLAC supported?
Nov 25 19:18:26 <zerojay> Don't think so.
Nov 25 19:19:58 <ol_schoola> i tried ukmp on 2008, crashes quite often
Nov 25 19:20:45 <ol_schoola> won't even start for me most of thew time
Nov 25 19:24:59 <zerojay> I find all those media players to be a pain.
Nov 25 19:25:29 <zerojay> They all act like all you should be doing is listening to music and nothing else.
Nov 25 19:25:48 <zerojay> And the interfaces are all weird so you don't know how to do anything because it doesn't follow any convention.
Nov 25 19:26:39 <K`zan> Yep...
Nov 25 19:26:47 <hugol1> zerojay:  so you use?
Nov 25 19:26:55 <zerojay> Anyone happen to know if lsof runs on the tablets?
Nov 25 19:27:04 <zerojay> hugol1: Media Player.
Nov 25 19:27:04 <_Monkey> i heard media player was the only app running
Nov 25 19:27:10 * K`zan doesn't support the "entertainment" mafias...
Nov 25 19:27:45 <hugol1> zerojay:  MPlayer or the original n800 media player?
Nov 25 19:27:57 <hugol1> monteslu:  kagu works fine here
Nov 25 19:28:01 <zerojay> The original N800 media player, which is called Media Player.
Nov 25 19:28:15 <zerojay> _Monkey forget media player
Nov 25 19:28:16 <_Monkey> zerojay: I forgot media player
Nov 25 19:28:25 <zerojay> change die?
Nov 25 19:28:26 <_Monkey> zerojay: that doesn't look right
Nov 25 19:28:28 <zerojay> :)
Nov 25 19:28:32 <zerojay> Die bitch.
Nov 25 19:28:50 <GeneralAntilles> I've grown a bit fond of UKMP.
Nov 25 19:29:02 <GeneralAntilles> It's a nice front-end to mplayer, in any case.
Nov 25 19:30:00 <zerojay> If Media Player would show album art, play oggs and allow you to scrobble to last.fm.. it would be pretty much perfect for me.
Nov 25 19:31:35 <zerojay> Album art's not that important.. oggs are important (though not to me personally) and last.fm is important (personally).
Nov 25 19:31:57 <hugol1> zerojay:  I found art is important as well
Nov 25 19:32:00 <zerojay> Ah... lsof comes on the tablet already.
Nov 25 19:32:00 <hugol1> *find
Nov 25 19:32:07 <hugol1> it lets you find things easily
Nov 25 19:32:23 <zerojay> I've never used album art to find things.
Nov 25 19:32:39 <zerojay> It's just something nice to have shown, that's all.
Nov 25 19:32:57 <GeneralAntilles> Having grown up in these digital days, album art is pretty meaningless to me. ;)
Nov 25 19:33:28 <zerojay> Not that big a deal to me either.
Nov 25 19:34:41 <zerojay> I think I might extend Maemoscrobbler to also grab Media Player stuff too.
Nov 25 19:34:50 <zerojay> Without needing anything added to Media Player.
Nov 25 19:40:50 <czr> should it be Media player btw?
Nov 25 19:41:03 <czr> yes it should
Nov 25 19:41:24 <zerojay> Should what be Media player?
Nov 25 19:41:41 <czr> the name of the sw that comes with the image :-)
Nov 25 19:41:48 <czr> ie. s/Player/player/ :-)
Nov 25 19:42:00 <zerojay> Nokia seems to like only using capitals for the first letter. I don't. :)
Nov 25 19:42:13 <czr> yeah, it's somewhat weird
Nov 25 19:52:08 <Khertan> hi
Nov 25 19:53:05 <BULLE> anyone here who can fill me in how video playback performance is on n800, from some reading on the mailinglist some time ago it seemed it was close to impossible or even impossible to get full framerate video working ( eg 30fps ) due do hardware issues, is that still true ?, and if, any clues if this issue has been solved for the n810 ?
Nov 25 19:53:10 <czr> bleh, I always forget there's no ping nor telnet in the SDK
Nov 25 19:53:57 <GeneralAntilles> BULLE: MPEG4 at 1200-1500Kbps at no more than 400x240 with MP3 audio.
Nov 25 19:54:03 <GeneralAntilles> Works 100% every time.
Nov 25 19:54:22 <BULLE> GeneralAntilles: and you can stretch that to fullscreen ?
Nov 25 19:54:32 <GeneralAntilles> Of course.
Nov 25 19:54:36 <GeneralAntilles> pixel doubling
Nov 25 19:54:43 <GeneralAntilles> which means it's ultra fast.
Nov 25 19:54:57 <BULLE> damn, you shouldnt have told me that
Nov 25 19:55:07 <BULLE> now i feel an urge to buy an n810
Nov 25 19:55:08 <GeneralAntilles> erm, why?
Nov 25 19:55:17 <GeneralAntilles> Which has exactly the same video performance
Nov 25 19:55:23 <GeneralAntilles> Get the N800 from buy.com
Nov 25 19:55:33 <GeneralAntilles> The N810 doesn't have nearly the same amount of storage.
Nov 25 19:55:43 <BULLE> GeneralAntilles: from what i read on the net, n810 has 400mhz cpu, n800 does what, 330 ?
Nov 25 19:55:49 <BULLE> i thought that would help, a little
Nov 25 19:55:51 <GeneralAntilles> 400Mhz
Nov 25 19:56:00 <GeneralAntilles> They're almost exactly the same hardware
Nov 25 19:56:17 <GeneralAntilles> different screen, keyboard, GPS and 1 microSD versus two fullsize SD.
Nov 25 19:56:20 <Khertan> n
Nov 25 19:56:21 <sxpert> the keyboard & gps is what attracts me to the 810.
Nov 25 19:56:28 <GeneralAntilles> GPS is garbage
Nov 25 19:56:33 <sxpert> like 2G of storage is sufficient
Nov 25 19:56:34 <BULLE> i have no need for the gps stuff, but the keyboard seems nice to have
Nov 25 19:56:35 <Khertan> n810 and n800 have dynamic clocking cpu
Nov 25 19:56:58 <Khertan> and reading a video switch to 330Mhz for optimizing ration for the DSP
Nov 25 19:57:06 <GeneralAntilles> sxpert, more like 300MB, 1.7 is maps. ;)
Nov 25 19:57:11 <Khertan> s/ration/ratio
Nov 25 19:57:29 <sxpert> GeneralAntilles, see the thing is that I make MY OWN maps
Nov 25 19:57:33 <BULLE> Khertan: oh, so even teh n810 will clock down to 330mhz when doing video, to get optimal dsp performance ?
Nov 25 19:57:44 <Khertan> BULLE: yes
Nov 25 19:57:52 <GeneralAntilles> Right, BULLE, they're exactly the same hardware.
Nov 25 19:58:04 <Khertan> but i found video better than on my Palm TX ..
Nov 25 19:58:09 <Khertan> on n800
Nov 25 19:58:15 <Khertan> (still not have n810)
Nov 25 19:58:31 <BULLE> hmm, so either i buy an n800 for roughly 2300sek, now, or wait and buy a n810 in a few weeks for roughly 4000sek
Nov 25 19:58:43 <GeneralAntilles> Get the N800.
Nov 25 19:58:48 <sxpert> GeneralAntilles, so I don't give a rats' ass about the integrated maps from hell
Nov 25 19:59:03 <BULLE> yes, the n800 seems to be the better deal, if you take price into account
Nov 25 19:59:03 <GeneralAntilles> Well, unless you're planning on using the device outdoors a lot
Nov 25 19:59:08 <GeneralAntilles> as the N810 has a transflective screen.
Nov 25 19:59:10 <BULLE> gps is no issue
Nov 25 19:59:15 <BULLE> oh,
Nov 25 19:59:29 <GeneralAntilles> sxpert, you make maps for everywhere you travel? :\
Nov 25 19:59:31 <sxpert> GeneralAntilles, yes, will be perfect for going out and map shit
Nov 25 19:59:40 <hugol1> BULLE:  you can get a bluetooth gps an leave it in the car, and a external gps will allways have better performance
Nov 25 19:59:45 <sxpert> GeneralAntilles, I'm one of those OpenStreetMap lunatics
Nov 25 19:59:46 <BULLE> hugol1: yes
Nov 25 19:59:53 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right, crazy person. :P ;)
Nov 25 19:59:56 <BULLE> hugol1: and then use it with my cellphone aswell if i want
Nov 25 20:00:05 <hugol1> BULLE:  yes
Nov 25 20:00:12 <GeneralAntilles> Thank god for 3g.
Nov 25 20:00:28 <GeneralAntilles> Saves me from paying Atlanta's ridiculous fees for Wifi. :D
Nov 25 20:00:29 <hugol1> BULLE:  I just got the n800 2 days ago and im loving it
Nov 25 20:01:10 <BULLE> hugol1: how much did you pay ?
Nov 25 20:01:39 <hugol1> 230 euros plus taxes, but you know... this is europe and we pay more
Nov 25 20:01:49 <BULLE> hugol1: im living in europe aswell
Nov 25 20:01:52 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Nov 25 20:01:58 <_|Nix|_> timelyx: What's libplds4.so? Is it something nss loads?
Nov 25 20:01:58 <hugol1> I saw americans get it for 230 dollars...
Nov 25 20:02:01 <GeneralAntilles> It's what you get for all that socialist garbage. :P
Nov 25 20:02:01 <BULLE> hugol1: seems i can order one for about 230 euros including taxes here
Nov 25 20:02:17 <BULLE> hugol1: ye, thats ridicilously cheap, but i guess its mainly because the dollar is worth close to nothing right now
Nov 25 20:02:21 <hugol1> BULLE:  where you from?
Nov 25 20:02:25 <BULLE> hugol1: sweden
Nov 25 20:02:35 <GeneralAntilles> $190 USD from buy.com right now.
Nov 25 20:02:48 <GeneralAntilles> BULLE, the dollar being worth less should make imported stuff cost more. ;)
Nov 25 20:02:48 <hugol1> BULLE:  yes, but hardware companys should realice 1 dollar is not 1 euro
Nov 25 20:02:49 <_|Nix|_> timelyx: Aha. It's not present on Bora, but it's present on Chinook under /usr/lib/microb-engine
Nov 25 20:03:10 <keesj> incredible! so much great hardware for a little price I would say
Nov 25 20:03:31 <BULLE> GeneralAntilles: 190 usd, do buy.com even ship to europe ?
Nov 25 20:03:37 <GeneralAntilles> Nope.
Nov 25 20:03:39 <BULLE> dunno if its worth the extra time
Nov 25 20:03:49 <BULLE> so i would have to order my us slave to buy one, and then mail it to me
Nov 25 20:03:56 <GeneralAntilles> Yeppers. ;)
Nov 25 20:03:57 <czr> hmm. within sbox, does apt-get do getent using the sdk /etc/resolv.conf or the real host /etc/resolv.conf?
Nov 25 20:04:13 * czr is slightly confused why /etc/hosts doesn't seem to affect apt-get
Nov 25 20:04:19 <hugol1> 190 dollars? thats like 120 euros... I payed 230. I feel riped off now
Nov 25 20:04:46 <hugol1> someone should start bringing n800 from america, its a business
Nov 25 20:05:00 <keesj> 230 is also a good price for such hardware IMHO
Nov 25 20:05:19 <BULLE> hugol1: i guess you might run into problems with warranty and stuff
Nov 25 20:05:55 <BULLE> yet another question, ipsec is no harder to get working on an n800 then its on a normal linux distribution ?
Nov 25 20:06:15 <BULLE> eg, just an ipsec tunnel to get access to servers from outside home
Nov 25 20:09:33 <keesj> by default I don't think iptables are compiled into the kernel and I guess it's required .
Nov 25 20:18:37 <eichi> hello i cant install camera cause of an conflict with a gstreamer package and i cant use knips, it doenst work correct
Nov 25 20:28:21 <GNUton> hi
Nov 25 20:28:21 <_Monkey> what's up, GNUton
Nov 25 20:30:20 <GNUton> _Monkey: hello bot!
Nov 25 20:30:21 <_Monkey> GNUton: i'm not following you...
Nov 25 20:30:32 <GNUton> _Monkey: mmm
Nov 25 20:30:33 <_Monkey> GNUton: huh?
Nov 25 20:30:41 <GNUton> _Monkey: are you a stupid bot?
Nov 25 20:30:41 <_Monkey> gnuton: no idea
Nov 25 20:30:50 <zerojay> change bot?
Nov 25 20:30:50 <_Monkey> zerojay: that doesn't look right
Nov 25 20:32:37 <czr> damn apt-get
Nov 25 20:32:43 * czr bangs head against wall
Nov 25 20:32:54 <czr> I'm trying to divert repository.maemo.org to a local mirror server
Nov 25 20:33:13 <czr> (without touching the original sources.list)
Nov 25 20:36:28 <GNUton> what's up, _Monkey
Nov 25 20:36:28 <_Monkey> gnuton: no idea
Nov 25 20:36:30 <GNUton> what's up, _Monkey
Nov 25 20:36:31 <_Monkey> i don't know, gnuton
Nov 25 20:36:32 <GNUton> what's up, _Monkey
Nov 25 20:36:32 <_Monkey> gnuton: bugger all, i dunno
Nov 25 20:36:46 <GNUton> change bot?
Nov 25 20:36:46 <_Monkey> GNUton: that doesn't look right
Nov 25 20:39:34 * czr hmhs
Nov 25 20:40:01 <czr> how is it possible for me to see external dns traffic hitting my dns server from a sbox setup if sbox setup has no nameservers in resolv.conf at all?
Nov 25 20:40:15 <czr> doing apt-get update within sbox. it somehow manages to pull out the dns server from somewhere..
Nov 25 20:41:02 <czr> argh. /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf
Nov 25 20:41:20 <czr> lucky me there were only 4 resolv.confs on the system..
Nov 25 20:59:11 <hugol1> btw, the bug where you have to be playing the radio to listen music only happens when the headphones are pluged
Nov 25 20:59:28 <czr> hugol1, which bug?
Nov 25 20:59:46 <czr> yay. repository.maemo.org diversion works now.
Nov 25 20:59:48 <czr> "whee"
Nov 25 21:03:55 <xand> is there a way of swapping the return and enter keys on an external keyboard?
Nov 25 21:15:58 <Khertan> arg ... maemo vmware sdk sucks a lot
Nov 25 21:17:04 <Khertan> no ifconfig
Nov 25 21:17:07 <Khertan> no network
Nov 25 21:17:10 <Khertan> no ping
Nov 25 21:17:12 <Khertan> no telnet
Nov 25 21:17:14 <Khertan> pfffff
Nov 25 21:18:49 <czr> Khertan, /sbin/ifconfig
Nov 25 21:19:00 <K`zan> Is it possible to have multiple user accounts on the n800?
Nov 25 21:19:06 <czr> Khertan, also define "no network"
Nov 25 21:19:18 <czr> K`zan, why?
Nov 25 21:19:25 <K`zan> Just wondering...
Nov 25 21:19:26 <czr> K`zan, there's no GUI support for that.
Nov 25 21:19:33 <K`zan> Ah, OK, thanks.
Nov 25 21:19:35 <czr> and there's no way to switch between the users when booting.
Nov 25 21:19:38 <czr> so no.
Nov 25 21:19:45 <K`zan> Ok, understand.
Nov 25 21:20:04 <czr> K`zan, you don't have user profiles on mobile mp3-players or mobile phones either :-)
Nov 25 21:20:13 <czr> or rather, different users. profiles maybe. but for different use.
Nov 25 21:20:43 <K`zan> True, was just wondering since it is linux :).  Can do that on the cli though.
Nov 25 21:22:04 <Khertan> czr > can't make an apt-get
Nov 25 21:22:07 <Khertan> update
Nov 25 21:22:17 <czr> Khertan, what's the error?
Nov 25 21:22:23 <Khertan> don't know why as ifconfig and ping doesn't work
Nov 25 21:22:34 <czr> Khertan, also, does inet work from the host? (ie, not within sbox)
Nov 25 21:22:41 <czr> did you try /sbin/ifconfig ?
Nov 25 21:23:09 <czr> lack of ping is a problem. but you can use wget http://name-or-ip/ to test
Nov 25 21:23:15 <Khertan> ls : command not found
Nov 25 21:23:17 <Khertan> huhu
Nov 25 21:23:18 <Khertan> !!
Nov 25 21:23:23 <czr> that's not good :-)
Nov 25 21:23:32 <Khertan> hum ... i think all the image is corrupted
Nov 25 21:23:33 <czr> that's the "official" vmware image?
Nov 25 21:23:42 <Khertan> i ll try do download it again
Nov 25 21:23:45 <czr> don't they distribute an md5sum or smt to verify it?
Nov 25 21:24:03 <czr> Khertan, also, what did you use to download?
Nov 25 21:24:06 <czr> http or torrent?
Nov 25 21:24:24 <Khertan> torrent
Nov 25 21:24:24 <_Monkey> torrent is slow shit
Nov 25 21:24:37 <Khertan> as http was available when i try to download it
Nov 25 21:25:11 <czr> odds of the torrent corrupting _while_ downloading is very small
Nov 25 21:25:32 <czr> doesn't mean the original image is working, but the odds of the transfer itself corrupting your copy is near impossible
Nov 25 21:25:48 <czr> nearly even.
Nov 25 21:27:21 <Khertan> czr > as torrent download are made on an other network then copied on my dev machine ...
Nov 25 21:27:37 <czr> Khertan, have you ever used md5sum or shasum?
Nov 25 21:27:43 <Khertan> it s could be between the last transfer
Nov 25 21:27:46 * czr nods
Nov 25 21:27:58 <_|Nix|_> timelyx: Thanks for the rpath idea ... that was it.
Nov 25 21:28:10 <Khertan> i was looking for the url of the vmware image site :)
Nov 25 21:29:48 <Khertan> there is no md5 or sha for checksum
Nov 25 21:30:15 <Khertan> i ll download it again and try later
Nov 25 21:30:28 <Khertan> thx for your help czr :)
Nov 25 21:30:32 <Khertan> good night :)
Nov 25 21:30:36 <czr> night
Nov 25 21:33:08 <czr> tsavola, ping?
Nov 25 21:34:35 <tsavola> hohoo
Nov 25 21:34:37 <tsavola> !
Nov 25 21:35:29 <czr> tsavola, are you the proper person to bug about sb-menu "bugs"?
Nov 25 21:35:33 <czr> :-)
Nov 25 21:36:01 <czr> or, maybe I should just be quiet :-)
Nov 25 21:36:04 <tsavola> czr: no
Nov 25 21:36:13 <czr> tsavola, maemo bugilla, right?
Nov 25 21:36:19 <tsavola> czr: scratchbox bugzilla
Nov 25 21:36:22 <czr> ah, ok.
Nov 25 21:36:34 * czr writes this down on a parchment
Nov 25 21:36:45 <tsavola> czr: and if you really want something done about it, bug jumpula
Nov 25 21:36:58 * czr nods
Nov 25 21:40:55 <czr> hmm. is there a virtual package that I can install to pull all of the sdk that is normally installed with the automatic script (except nokia binaries)
Nov 25 21:48:30 <czr> eww. apt-cache segfaults :_)
Nov 25 21:48:33 <czr> :-) even.
Nov 25 21:48:43 * czr gets some more coffee. long night ahead.
Nov 25 21:54:21 <GNUton> re
Nov 25 22:01:33 <timelyx> _|Nix|_: nspr=portable runtime, ds=datastructures, there's also a libc like thing
Nov 25 22:01:48 <timelyx> nss is allowed to depend on all three
Nov 25 22:02:25 <timelyx> _|Nix|_: odd that we didn't include it. probably buggable
Nov 25 22:02:27 <_|Nix|_> Well, it looks like nss and nspr are independent on our platform.
Nov 25 22:02:43 <_|Nix|_> So, libpurple needs to depend on both.
Nov 25 22:02:44 <czr> timelyx, doing apt-get install now from local repo.
Nov 25 22:02:55 <czr> timelyx, you can guess whether it's been a smooth ride so far ;-)
Nov 25 22:06:44 <GeneralAntilles> Any word on what the limits are for h.264 under OS2008?
Nov 25 22:07:16 <timelyx> _Monkey forget torent
Nov 25 22:07:16 <_Monkey> timelyx, I didn't have anything matching torent
Nov 25 22:07:19 <timelyx> _Monkey torent is <reply>
Nov 25 22:07:19 <_Monkey> OK, timelyx.
Nov 25 22:27:43 <twpear> Hi.  I am very new to Maemo - A friend has a Nokia N800 which impressed me greatly
Nov 25 22:27:59 <twpear> so much that I will be getting one (or perhaps the N810)
Nov 25 22:28:23 <twpear> has anyone attempted to port/install Maemo to anything like an iPaq?
Nov 25 22:28:53 <czr> twpear, maemo is the development environment for the internet tablets
Nov 25 22:29:00 <czr> i.e., it is missing most of the sw that you see on N800
Nov 25 22:29:16 <twpear> yes, that'd be OS2008 ?
Nov 25 22:29:18 <czr> what you probably mean is whether the whole internet tablet environment has been ported to ipaq, right?
Nov 25 22:29:24 <czr> yeah
Nov 25 22:29:35 <twpear> a little of both actually - but I appreciate the clarification
Nov 25 22:29:39 * czr nods
Nov 25 22:29:46 <twpear> so Maemo, I assume, includes the kernel ?
Nov 25 22:29:48 <czr> it should be possible, but it's not going to be easy
Nov 25 22:29:53 <czr> maemo does not include the kernel
Nov 25 22:29:56 <twpear> ahha
Nov 25 22:30:01 <czr> it doesn't contain most of the system software either
Nov 25 22:30:07 <czr> also some components on ITs are proprietary
Nov 25 22:30:19 <twpear> so it's just a framework to provide the SDK ?
Nov 25 22:30:28 <czr> more or less yes.
Nov 25 22:30:44 <czr> depends on interpretation but you get the point of it
Nov 25 22:30:57 <twpear> OK.  So I';m definatly going to need Maemo if I want to write any apps fror my future N8[01]0
Nov 25 22:31:07 <czr> I've infact yet to see exact definition of maemo :-). so YMMV :-)
Nov 25 22:31:14 <czr> twpear, yes
Nov 25 22:31:21 <czr> you'll need the maemo SDK
Nov 25 22:31:37 <czr> that's where you write your programs and build them. and then you test them on the device. the SDK is not an device emulator.
Nov 25 22:32:07 <czr> you can also test X86 versions of your programs in the SDK, but not the ARM ones
Nov 25 22:32:11 <sven-tek2> i just packaged my first deb. vncviewer for os08. it works, except for the shell script line "source /usr/bin/connectivity_preload.sh", which is not found in os2008. anyone knows details what the file has been used for, and if there is a replacement on os08 ?
Nov 25 22:32:17 <czr> so depending on what you do, it might be enough..
Nov 25 22:33:15 <twpear> czr- thanks.  Any idea where I may find sources for OS2008 (those that are "free" atleast) so I can begin porting attempts (I plan to use soe concepts from Handhelds.org etc)
Nov 25 22:33:39 <sven-tek2> at repository.maemo.org ?
Nov 25 22:33:39 <czr> twpear, well, a lot of that stuff is available in maemo SDK / repositories.maemo.org
Nov 25 22:34:03 <Bodhammer> Are there any plans to port libsigsegv to Maemo?
Nov 25 22:34:21 <czr> twpear, you might want to go through the maemo-dev mailing list archives as well, there's been various discussions about varios ports before
Nov 25 22:34:35 <twpear> kewl
Nov 25 22:34:57 <czr> twpear, and if you're serious about investing time in the port, do introduce yourself and the project, I'm sure there are people who'd be interested in it
Nov 25 22:36:15 <twpear> the repository looks to not have source
Nov 25 22:36:46 <czr> twpear, it does
Nov 25 22:37:01 <czr> twpear, http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/
Nov 25 22:37:27 <twpear> ahh, it's a debian-esque repository
Nov 25 22:37:42 <czr> yup. debtools are used in the SDK and the devices
Nov 25 22:37:47 <twpear> I went to the root (repositor.maemo.org) and saw a webpage which pointed me into the bins, lol
Nov 25 22:38:02 <czr> twpear, yeah, the index.html isn't really good at pointing all the stuff :-)
Nov 25 22:38:10 <czr> the links are for dists only, not pool
Nov 25 22:38:13 <K`zan> czr: Just FWIW, ubuntu is busily being a problem.  Completedly blew setting up the network and I have at least two screen resolutions, one for KDM and another for the desktop, still trying to resolve that one :).
Nov 25 22:38:18 <czr> the sources are in the same dirs as the binary packages
Nov 25 22:38:40 <czr> K`zan, youre using the vmware image?
Nov 25 22:38:52 <K`zan> No, Installed off the DVD Image.
Nov 25 22:38:57 <czr> K`zan, ah
Nov 25 22:39:09 <czr> please try to copy-paste exact error messages and issues into a file
Nov 25 22:39:14 <K`zan> Very strange, but then again, it is ubuntu :).
Nov 25 22:39:20 <czr> that way you can help pin-point the problem and help people help you :-)
Nov 25 22:39:25 <czr> ubuntu works just fine here.
Nov 25 22:39:40 <K`zan> LOL, ubuntu doesn't like me :-) :-) :-).
Nov 25 22:39:57 * czr shrugs. maybe it's having a bad hair day :-)
Nov 25 22:40:32 <K`zan> I end up with a screen for login that is 1500x1400 or something and then when I login I get the 1024x768 I want sorta in the middle of it.
Nov 25 22:41:06 <K`zan> Changed xorg.conf, so there must be one for kdm someplace else that gets loaded on login.
Nov 25 22:41:16 <twpear> is there a package list conveniently anywhere - i.e. I have a running kernel for the iPaq (well, mostly) so it "should" just be a matter of cross-compiling some apps (such as X11 or whatever maemo uses in its stead, window manager etc. etc.)
Nov 25 22:42:05 <twpear> so knowing what packages make up OS2008 would really help - unless it's "all of them"
Nov 25 22:42:34 <czr> twpear, find someone with OS2008 and ask them to do dpkg -l on the device :-)
Nov 25 22:43:29 <twpear> lol - ok - tks guys, looks like I'll atleast have to wait until the finance comittee "wife" approves the N800 to go further :-)
Nov 25 22:44:04 <GeneralAntilles> buy.com, twpear
Nov 25 22:44:09 <GeneralAntilles> $190
Nov 25 22:44:16 <twpear> Canada !!
Nov 25 22:44:20 <GeneralAntilles> Oops
Nov 25 22:44:23 <twpear> the border charges will kill me
Nov 25 22:44:25 <twpear> ;-)
Nov 25 22:44:36 <GeneralAntilles> Go throw yourself into one of your colder bodies of water, then. :P
Nov 25 22:44:43 <twpear> that said, I'm in the US in early Dec ... can I wait that long
Nov 25 22:44:46 <twpear> lol
Nov 25 22:45:02 <|R> twpear : ncix.com pricematched from shopbot.ca
Nov 25 22:45:13 <twpear> they are out of stock there
Nov 25 22:45:22 <twpear> according to their site..
Nov 25 22:45:33 <twpear> I've seen it for 260 here in stock
Nov 25 22:45:41 <|R> twpear : you just missed the 245$ sale :)
Nov 25 22:45:57 <|R> but considering they sold 30 in like 15 hours...
Nov 25 22:46:04 <|R> i'm sure they'll be getting some more
Nov 25 22:46:06 <doc|home> twpear: heh, I did the same thing :)
Nov 25 22:46:14 <twpear> lol
Nov 25 22:47:04 <twpear> wow - the NCIX price is now $329.99
Nov 25 22:47:13 <|R> twpear : no... do a search on the side bar
Nov 25 22:47:20 <|R> there are 2 other listed at 270 or something
Nov 25 22:49:15 <twpear> ahh, listed as Nokia E-Series, hahahah
Nov 25 22:50:26 <Bodhammer> I have done the following in an attempt to port Clisp to Chinook.
Nov 25 22:50:26 <Bodhammer> Dev environment is Debian Etch, installed OS2008 environement as per http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.htm.
Nov 25 22:50:26 <Bodhammer> apt-get update
Nov 25 22:50:26 <Bodhammer> apt-get upgrade
Nov 25 22:50:26 <Bodhammer> target is sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL
Nov 25 22:50:27 <Bodhammer> unpaked clisp-2.41.orig (last good ARM port) as per debian.org
Nov 25 22:50:29 <Bodhammer> ./configure --ignore-absence-of-libsigsegv   (as per warning on first ./configure)
Nov 25 22:50:31 <Bodhammer> cd src
Nov 25 22:50:33 <Bodhammer> ./makemake     > Makefile
Nov 25 22:50:35 <Bodhammer> make config.lisp
Nov 25 22:50:37 <Bodhammer> vi config.lisp
Nov 25 22:50:39 <Bodhammer> make
Nov 25 22:50:41 <Bodhammer> above was message from ./configure
Nov 25 22:50:43 <Bodhammer> I'm getting the following error message from make:
Nov 25 22:50:45 <Bodhammer> ./lisp.run -B . -N locale -E 1:1 -Efile UTF-8 -Eterminal UTF-8 -norc -m 1800KW -x "(and (load \"init.lisp\") (sys::%saveinitmem) (ext::exit)) (ext::exit t)"
Nov 25 22:50:48 <Bodhammer> qemu: uncaught target signal 4 (Illegal instruction) - exiting
Nov 25 22:50:50 <Bodhammer> make: *** [interpreted.mem] Error 252
Nov 25 22:50:50 <elb> holy crap
Nov 25 22:50:52 <Bodhammer> suggestions on where to go from here?
Nov 25 22:51:06 <elb> start by finding a nopaste next time :-P
Nov 25 22:51:24 <Bodhammer> oops,  don't chat much, sorry
Nov 25 22:51:36 <twpear> Dell has a $25 discount on right now
Nov 25 22:53:25 <K`zan> Might have found it, checking...
Nov 25 22:57:25 <Bodhammer> elb - here ya go:http://nopaste.codersnet.org/pastes.php?view=124
Nov 25 22:57:58 <elb> you already pasted it here
Nov 25 22:58:04 <elb> just don't do it in the future
Nov 25 22:58:14 <elb> qemu is known to have emulation bugs, you may be hitting one
Nov 25 23:00:52 <czr> hmm. how do I extract preinst and postinst scripts from a deb?
Nov 25 23:01:03 <tsavola> dpkg-deb -x
Nov 25 23:01:25 <czr> tsavola, that's the same as dpkg -x, right?
Nov 25 23:01:33 <czr> hmm. tsavola you have sdk 4.0 around?
Nov 25 23:01:48 <tsavola> czr: i think that's the correct one :)
Nov 25 23:01:49 <tsavola> czr: no
Nov 25 23:02:05 <czr> hmm. I'll try dpkg-deb as well, but I think dpkg -x is a frontend for that anyway
Nov 25 23:02:45 <tsavola> i'm usually lazy and write "file-roller foo.deb" and clickety-click a lot
Nov 25 23:03:04 <czr> hmm. give me a sec, I'll give you a deb and you can say what you think of it
Nov 25 23:03:12 <tsavola> uh
Nov 25 23:03:23 <czr> you'll like it, promise.
Nov 25 23:03:26 <tsavola> ok
Nov 25 23:03:36 <czr> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/m/maemo-repository/maemo-repository_0.1_all.deb
Nov 25 23:03:38 <fysa> has anyone gotten synergy working?  i.e., move the mouse off the bottom of my desktop display, have it appear on the N800?
Nov 25 23:03:41 <czr> check the description first
Nov 25 23:05:00 <tsavola> czr: ok
Nov 25 23:05:04 <tsavola> czr: what about it?
Nov 25 23:05:49 <czr> tsavola, does the description in any way correspond to what the package actually does? :-)
Nov 25 23:06:13 <czr> ahh. there is a postinst script!
Nov 25 23:06:15 <tsavola> czr: yes?
Nov 25 23:06:26 <czr> yes indeed. I feel like a monkey now
Nov 25 23:06:34 <K`zan> whew, ubuntu is blowing up all over the place, verified md5 and the media, damnifiknow - gonna reinstall.
Nov 25 23:06:42 <tsavola> :)
Nov 25 23:06:51 <czr> tsavola, but -x didn't extract the scripts though
Nov 25 23:06:58 <tsavola> ok
Nov 25 23:07:04 * tsavola <- stupid
Nov 25 23:07:12 <tsavola> czr: file-roller does :)
Nov 25 23:07:23 <tsavola> fire-loller
Nov 25 23:07:23 <czr> tsavola, dpkg-deb --control path-to-deb.deb out-dir-path
Nov 25 23:07:36 <czr> fire-lol :-)
Nov 25 23:07:44 <tsavola> lol!
Nov 25 23:07:54 * czr evades the lol
Nov 25 23:08:02 <czr> well fired
Nov 25 23:08:19 <czr> I still think the description is misleading. s/provides/generates/.
Nov 25 23:08:30 <tsavola> you care?
Nov 25 23:08:36 <czr> of course
Nov 25 23:09:24 <czr> tsavola, any idea why 4.0 still is using rootstrap though?
Nov 25 23:10:51 <tsavola> czr: why not?
Nov 25 23:11:01 <czr> tsavola, apt-get install maemo-sdk-dev
Nov 25 23:11:12 <tsavola> the difference = ?
Nov 25 23:11:19 <czr> I'm trying to figure out really
Nov 25 23:11:26 <czr> since the rootstrap doesn't contain the complete SDK anyway
Nov 25 23:11:33 <czr> so I'm thinking why they bother using one at all
Nov 25 23:11:55 <tsavola> well it's certainly faster to create a new target out of a rootstrap than to download it all again
Nov 25 23:12:14 <czr> tsavola, the diff isn't significant
Nov 25 23:12:18 <czr> so much of the SDK is downloaded
Nov 25 23:12:25 <czr> and the repo webserver has "no-cache" set.
Nov 25 23:12:27 <czr> so :-)
Nov 25 23:12:38 <tsavola> i don't acutally know anything about chinook
Nov 25 23:12:47 <czr> yeah, don't worry
Nov 25 23:13:02 <czr> I get the full install somewhere round 60 seconds with the apt-get way with local repo now
Nov 25 23:13:13 <czr> so I'm wondering why they bother with the rootstraps
Nov 25 23:13:26 <czr> since the rootstraps need separate maintenance
Nov 25 23:13:32 <tsavola> people don't want to set up local repositories?
Nov 25 23:13:42 <czr> s/don't want to/can't at the moment/
Nov 25 23:13:53 <tsavola> well i wouldn't want to
Nov 25 23:13:57 <czr> you're missing the point though. they'll have to download the rootstrap anyway
Nov 25 23:14:05 <tsavola> there are two points :)
Nov 25 23:14:12 <czr> maybe even three... :-)
Nov 25 23:14:18 <tsavola> oh no!
Nov 25 23:14:29 <tsavola> i'm going back to the other workspace ->
Nov 25 23:14:33 <czr> yeah, now we ended up in a byzantine generals problem :-)
Nov 25 23:14:47 <czr> or actually we just solved one.
Nov 25 23:15:03 <tsavola> i don't see the irc window anymore!
Nov 25 23:15:39 <K`zan> Starting to look like ubuntu 7.1 doesn't like vmware - very strange...
Nov 25 23:16:30 <czr> K`zan, running fiesty here (7.10) in vmware.
Nov 25 23:16:33 <czr> feisty even.
Nov 25 23:19:21 <K`zan> Damnifiknow, gonna try one more time and see what happens.
Nov 25 23:20:23 <czr> tsavola, why not? :-)
Nov 25 23:25:55 <tsavola> czr: i'm trying to work
Nov 25 23:26:08 <tsavola> czr: that's why i didn't compulsively check back at the irc window
Nov 25 23:26:10 <czr> tsavola, me too :-)
Nov 25 23:26:19 <czr> you have odd times to work btw.
Nov 25 23:26:20 <czr> I like it.
Nov 25 23:26:25 <tsavola> not work work
Nov 25 23:26:33 <czr> heh :-)
Nov 25 23:26:36 <czr> "work"? :-)
Nov 25 23:26:39 <tsavola> yes, work
Nov 25 23:31:16 <sven-tek2> i just packaged my first deb. vncviewer for os08. it works, except for the shell script line "source /usr/bin/connectivity_preload.sh", which is not found in os2008. anyone knows details what the file has been used for, and if there is a replacement on os08?
Nov 25 23:33:47 <czr> anyone around with sdk 4.0 installed?
Nov 25 23:34:03 <maddler> czr: here...
Nov 25 23:34:03 <_Monkey> here is a list: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/orphaned
Nov 25 23:34:04 * sven-tek2 has it
Nov 25 23:34:16 <czr> maddler, can you check whether you have e2fsprogs installed on the SDK?
Nov 25 23:34:21 <czr> sven-tek2, you too :-)
Nov 25 23:34:25 <maddler> lemme see...
Nov 25 23:34:34 <czr> I'm trying to figure out wth pulled it in into my sdk
Nov 25 23:34:57 <maddler> czr: nothing here...
Nov 25 23:35:18 <sven-tek2> iam able to apt-get it
Nov 25 23:35:34 <czr> maddler, ok.
Nov 25 23:35:44 <czr> sven-tek2, but you don't have it already installed, right?
Nov 25 23:35:51 <sven-tek2> right
Nov 25 23:35:51 <czr> if you don't, there's no reason to install it.
Nov 25 23:35:56 <czr> thanks guys
Nov 25 23:36:18 <maddler> czr: you are welcome... feel free to ask if you need smtg else...
Nov 25 23:36:24 <czr> I will, don't worry.
Nov 25 23:36:27 <czr> :-)
Nov 25 23:38:14 <sven-tek2> I'll begin to like chinook. Its very responsive.
Nov 25 23:38:39 <czr> sven-tek2, you mean OS2008?
Nov 25 23:38:44 <sven-tek2> yes
Nov 25 23:38:58 <czr> right. chinook is 4.0 sdk :-)
Nov 25 23:39:20 <czr> and yes, OS2008 is pretty much nicer than 2k7 was
Nov 25 23:39:36 <sven-tek2> though sometimes the internet-menu button does not respond at all
Nov 25 23:40:11 <sven-tek2> i can here the click sound, but the menu does not open
Nov 25 23:40:28 <sven-tek2> here -> hear
Nov 25 23:40:53 <czr> sven-tek2, you're running it on N810?
Nov 25 23:41:00 <sven-tek2> no n800
Nov 25 23:41:42 * czr nods
Nov 25 23:41:51 <czr> otherwise I'd told you to file a bug :-)
Nov 25 23:43:21 <sven-tek2> perhaps i will file a bug for that huge menu
Nov 25 23:44:14 <zerojay> sven-tek2: Yes, I've noticed the Internet globe button sometimes being VERY unresponsive, whereas the others are always more or less instant.
Nov 25 23:44:16 <czr> try using it with your fingers
Nov 25 23:44:45 <zerojay> Same either way.
Nov 25 23:45:02 <czr> meant the large menu :-)
Nov 25 23:45:49 <sven-tek2> on n800 you can use the cross to navigate through the menu
Nov 25 23:45:58 <sven-tek2> no need for fingers and big buttons
Nov 25 23:46:16 <czr> try it right-handed
Nov 25 23:46:30 <czr> or one-handed :-)
Nov 25 23:46:40 <czr> anyhow, i was put off by the size as well, but gotten used to it
Nov 25 23:46:59 <czr> and it's not a "bug" that will be fixed, so filing one won't get you anywhere
Nov 25 23:47:14 <zerojay> Same here. I find I can get to what I want faster thanks to the fast scrolling speed.
Nov 25 23:47:52 <sven-tek2> no i managed to sort the menu so that most important things need no scrolling its ok - but i dislke it especially for the bookmarks
Nov 25 23:48:39 <zerojay> Damn, my Jabber server's got 180 accounts on it now.
Nov 25 23:48:46 <GeneralAntilles> Woo!
Nov 25 23:48:49 <zerojay> Not bad for.. a week? Week and a half?
Nov 25 23:48:53 * GeneralAntilles high-fives zerojay.
Nov 25 23:48:57 <zerojay> Hah.
Nov 25 23:49:03 <zerojay> ~40 people active at any time.
Nov 25 23:49:30 <K`zan> keep meaning to find out what this jabber thing is...
Nov 25 23:49:33 <sven-tek2> has anyone tried the sip in os2008?
Nov 25 23:49:43 <zerojay> sven-tek2: I use it with my Gizmo account.
Nov 25 23:49:48 <GeneralAntilles> Now you just need to crack the whip on texrat to get him to clean up that godawful site design. :P
Nov 25 23:49:56 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, so do I, sven-tek2.
Nov 25 23:49:59 <GeneralAntilles> Much better than OS2007
Nov 25 23:49:59 <zerojay> Hah.. he's in the middle of working on it.
Nov 25 23:50:11 <zerojay> And we're accepting donations now
Nov 25 23:50:32 <sven-tek2> is there a echo test somewhere in the net? i entered my ekiga.net account, but ekigas 500@ekiga.net does not work with n800
Nov 25 23:50:55 <zerojay> Is that supposed to be a space in your account name?
Nov 25 23:50:56 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FTE1C4 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000FTG6EA
Nov 25 23:51:02 <GeneralAntilles> Price is almost too low to be believed.
Nov 25 23:52:29 <K`zan> Wait for shipping cost :)
Nov 25 23:53:17 <maddler> TTL here...
Nov 25 23:53:27 <GeneralAntilles> $18 total for 2 car and 2 wall
Nov 25 23:53:30 <GeneralAntilles> I can swing that. ;)
Nov 25 23:53:44 <maddler> GeneralAntilles: give a look at www.dealextreme.com :)
Nov 25 23:55:03 <sven-tek2> thanks i found the gpe for os2008 i can go to bed now instead of packaging it myself
Nov 25 23:55:12 <sven-tek2> bye ;-)
Nov 25 23:56:28 <K`zan> Got to find a case for the n800, the one it comes with is useless.
Nov 25 23:58:32 <deejoe> K`zan: I have a nice metal box that used to hold 28 jumbo size double six dominos.
Nov 25 23:58:52 <deejoe> cost about 6 bucks at the local drug store
Nov 25 23:59:20 <deejoe> it's slightly oversize for the n800, but with some internal padding, it's about right.
Nov 25 23:59:34 <kf6gpe> K'zan: I've been very happy with a $20.00 or so case I got from eBay; just search "N800 case". Also, the small GameBoy DS suitcase-like cases work well as cases for carrying the unit, charger, cable, and so on.
Nov 25 23:59:56 <K`zan> kf6gpe: rr tnx om!
Nov 26 00:00:46 <czr> hmm. is chinook extras actually useful for anything at the moment?
Nov 26 00:01:33 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Nov 26 00:03:50 <czr> GeneralAntilles, examples?
Nov 26 00:05:28 <GeneralAntilles> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/
Nov 26 00:05:30 <GeneralAntilles> Things in there.
Nov 26 00:06:08 <czr> I know where the repo is. I asked whether it's useful for anything :-)
Nov 26 00:07:09 <GeneralAntilles> I'm 10 hours off a sleepless redeye here, I can't recall. :P
Nov 26 00:07:26 <GeneralAntilles> But I recall the app manager being much less sparse after I enabled extras
Nov 26 00:07:36 <GeneralAntilles> and it solves a number of dependencies, too.
Nov 26 00:07:46 <czr> openssh is there hmm.
Nov 26 00:08:13 <czr> and scummvm
Nov 26 00:08:13 <_Monkey> scummvm is probably a program which allows you to run certain classic graphical point-and-click adventure games, provided you already have their data files. http://770.fs-security.com/scummvm/
Nov 26 00:08:37 <czr> ah yes. and the broken python thingy too
Nov 26 00:09:05 <GeneralAntilles> I'm digging these cheap cables, maddler. This stuff actually any good?
Nov 26 00:09:37 <czr> GeneralAntilles, just trying to decide whether to mirror it or not
Nov 26 00:09:47 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right.
Nov 26 00:09:53 <GeneralAntilles> Then it's a less-simple decision.
Nov 26 00:24:46 <czr> btw, is it normal to get failed verification issues when installing packages from the repo?
Nov 26 00:27:49 <GeneralAntilles> GPG certs? Yes, czr.
Nov 26 00:29:41 <czr> GeneralAntilles, yeah.
Nov 26 00:29:55 <GeneralAntilles> (I wish they would update those)
Nov 26 00:29:56 <czr> GeneralAntilles, I'm noticing there are no signatures in the repos, or at least I can't find them
Nov 26 00:30:13 <czr> ok, just checking (I'm doing the SDK install in a slightly un-orthodox way :-)
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