**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 01 02:59:57 2007 Dec 01 03:00:02 how is phoenix Dec 01 03:00:33 I vacationed at lake powell for 2 weeks this summer, I am ready to find some work in flagstaff Dec 01 03:01:00 penguinbait, no, just a hobby Dec 01 03:01:01 Is Chicago in Michigan? Dec 01 03:01:04 115 degrees everyday, I loved it Dec 01 03:01:13 <[pablo]> penguinbait: i loooove flagstaff Dec 01 03:01:20 <[pablo]> phoenix can be a pill sometimes, but it's not that bad Dec 01 03:01:21 no chicago is in ilinois Dec 01 03:01:29 next ro michigan Dec 01 03:01:51 <[pablo]> chicago is the major city on *lake* michigan though Dec 01 03:01:56 pablo, have you been to the canyon, and powell Dec 01 03:02:20 <[pablo]> never been to the grand canyon, probably been to lake powell at least a few times when I was a kid Dec 01 03:02:25 <[pablo]> not that I can remember though Dec 01 03:02:35 <[pablo]> we used to go camping/fishing all the time Dec 01 03:03:06 Oh man, the canyons only like an hour north of flagstaff, Dec 01 03:03:25 <[pablo]> yeah I know, but it's still just a big hole in the ground ;] Dec 01 03:03:31 I camped on the beach at lake powell for 2 weeks straight, with my boat, cost me 10$ camping a day Dec 01 03:04:03 <[pablo]> nice Dec 01 03:04:06 Ha . . . the Canyon is beautiful. Dec 01 03:04:12 Do you have sidewalks? Dec 01 03:04:22 I was two times in the USA Dec 01 03:04:31 in Oklahoma City Dec 01 03:04:33 Lots of sidewalks in Florida. ;) Dec 01 03:04:35 <[pablo]> yes we have sidewalks ... Dec 01 03:04:38 <[pablo]> lots of them Dec 01 03:04:40 and i saw no sidewalks Dec 01 03:04:53 GeneralAntilles: not where I live... Dec 01 03:05:08 <[pablo]> here sidewalks is nothing more than a strip of concrete about 4-6 feet wide next to a road, easy to miss Dec 01 03:05:31 Where are you, TheFool2? Dec 01 03:05:48 NW of Fort Lauderdale Dec 01 03:06:03 what then canals Dec 01 03:06:05 ? Dec 01 03:06:19 well actually we have quite a few of those Dec 01 03:06:24 I live right off of one Dec 01 03:06:36 gators running all over Dec 01 03:06:42 LOT of canal neighborhoods down here. Dec 01 03:06:45 nah, not for a while Dec 01 03:06:57 Gators are more of a problem with lakes and such. Dec 01 03:07:00 what are canal? Dec 01 03:07:06 according to my father where I live now was everglades in his time though Dec 01 03:07:11 water canals? Dec 01 03:07:18 Ar-ras: I live near Oklahoma City (Norman Specifically) Dec 01 03:07:24 yes Ar-ras Dec 01 03:07:32 man made rivers, generally full of trash Dec 01 03:07:38 <[pablo]> haha Dec 01 03:07:39 heh Dec 01 03:07:55 <[pablo]> we have a canal here in phoenix too, dirtiest thing i've ever seen except for the rouge Dec 01 03:08:00 Ar-ras: http://local.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=st+petersburg,+fl&ie=UTF8&ll=27.816836,-82.605257&spn=0.053366,0.061541&t=h&z=14&om=1 Dec 01 03:08:06 I hated it when OKC put a canal in downtown.... Dec 01 03:08:43 I recently went to San Antionio, for an IBM conference, and it was right on a canal downtown Dec 01 03:08:49 it was pretty cool Dec 01 03:09:09 what is a canal downtown? Dec 01 03:09:20 GA I live exactly here http://local.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=st+petersburg,+fl&ie=UTF8&ll=27.816836,-82.605257&spn=0.053366,0.061541&t=h&z=14&om=1 Dec 01 03:09:30 a canal in the middle of the city Dec 01 03:09:32 lol Dec 01 03:09:39 wrong link? Dec 01 03:09:57 GA that http://local.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=51.300412,12.398034&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1 Dec 01 03:10:02 Its basically a man made water canal running through the middle of the city, with bars and resturants and shops Dec 01 03:10:27 Las Olas... Dec 01 03:10:34 nm Dec 01 03:10:35 ah i understand Dec 01 03:10:48 hehe Dec 01 03:10:48 <[pablo]> because nothing gets your appetite going like dirty smelly canal water =D Dec 01 03:10:55 I live here http://penguinbait.com/index.html Dec 01 03:11:04 lol Dec 01 03:11:12 I went to San Antonio once! Dec 01 03:11:44 (which wasn't notable, if I didn't live on the other side of the ocean and came to the us just one time) Dec 01 03:11:47 penguinbait: wow lol, what is the purpose of that site? Dec 01 03:11:51 did you visit the alamo Dec 01 03:11:56 I did :D Dec 01 03:12:11 Leipzig is build on a floodplain Dec 01 03:12:17 It ran off my 770 and updated as I drove down the road Dec 01 03:12:30 ok thats pretty cool Dec 01 03:12:36 how exactly did it work? Dec 01 03:12:36 Perfect for a hitsquad. :P Dec 01 03:12:37 I used to used a laptop running linux with a webcam :) Dec 01 03:12:40 penguinbait: you're easing the job for the feds? :D Dec 01 03:12:50 <[pablo]> he's just cutting out some of the work for big brother =P Dec 01 03:12:53 hehe, the wife too Dec 01 03:13:00 what? Dec 01 03:13:01 wifi Dec 01 03:13:05 lol...just leave the gps at a friends... Dec 01 03:13:06 dinner was always ready when I got home Dec 01 03:13:17 <[pablo]> ouch, the wife is far worse than feds and big brother Dec 01 03:13:18 ..lol Dec 01 03:13:22 <[pablo]> hahaha Dec 01 03:13:24 <[pablo]> thats awesome Dec 01 03:13:28 really Dec 01 03:13:56 Its been 3 years since I set this up Dec 01 03:14:18 <[pablo]> i haven't gotten my gps to work once on my n810 Dec 01 03:14:20 I have not updated since I sent my 770 in for repair and never got it back Dec 01 03:14:24 <[pablo]> i give up after 10 minutes Dec 01 03:14:34 so the gps etc is hooked up to a laptop in the car? and then you view this with the 770? Dec 01 03:14:46 huh? Dec 01 03:14:47 I used external gps on n800 with n810 2008OS Dec 01 03:14:53 it worked fine Dec 01 03:14:58 penguinbait: I would have totally went on a murderous rampage if that happened Dec 01 03:15:16 <[pablo]> the mapping works fine, i can just never get a gps signal Dec 01 03:15:23 Is the internal GPS of N810 same unit like in N95 ? Dec 01 03:15:48 I had a ham radio setup like that... findu.com Dec 01 03:16:13 [pablo] ever looked where the gps module in N810 is? Dec 01 03:16:24 OK, I originally set this up on a laptop running redhat, with a webcam and free sprint card I had. It would send live video clips and speed and update maps Dec 01 03:16:27 <[pablo]> like phsyically inside of the case? Dec 01 03:16:32 yes Dec 01 03:16:34 I eventually lost my free sprint card Dec 01 03:16:35 <[pablo]> no Dec 01 03:16:41 <[pablo]> i like my warranty =) Dec 01 03:16:50 FCC Dec 01 03:17:03 <[pablo]> i also like my sanity =/ Dec 01 03:17:09 I then used my 770, tmobile on razr, and iblue gps , but no video Dec 01 03:17:14 In N95 you must open the keypad to get fast GPS Signal Dec 01 03:17:39 because Nokia built the GPS under the keypad Dec 01 03:17:54 <[pablo]> i've tried it open and closed Dec 01 03:18:10 I cant wait to get my 810 Dec 01 03:18:11 <[pablo]> i try it like every other day or so Dec 01 03:18:27 I have heard from some morons that they took 2 Hours to get signal Dec 01 03:18:46 <[pablo]> i'd never wait that long lol Dec 01 03:19:54 on N95 you can get via GPRS data about satellite position Dec 01 03:20:10 then it takes only 20 sec. to get fix Dec 01 03:20:12 hmmm, my garmin would have trouble if you traveled long distances and then turned it on Dec 01 03:20:42 the sat cache would need to be reset, because it thinks its one place and is looking for the wrong sats Dec 01 03:20:51 yes Dec 01 03:20:55 <[pablo]> yeah Dec 01 03:21:13 You could just reset it, or wait hours for it to wake up and figure out where it is Dec 01 03:21:17 <[pablo]> i did finally get maemo mapper to recognize the builtin gps thought, so that's cool =) Dec 01 03:21:46 but once it tracks it should be faster Dec 01 03:22:26 oh thats cool, I was hoping that would work Dec 01 03:22:34 they said to me, that with the newest firmware of N95 (20.0.0.15) sat fix is faster Dec 01 03:22:40 I have no plan to use internal app Dec 01 03:22:51 <[pablo]> penguinbait: it doesn't work that well, you have to open the navicore map program for it to work heh Dec 01 03:23:18 hmm, there must be a way to just turn it on Dec 01 03:23:46 maybe in the control panel of N800 Dec 01 03:23:57 N810 Dec 01 03:23:59 <[pablo]> i'm sure there is, will proabbly come in the next version of maemo mapper Dec 01 03:24:02 does it load the module on demand or is it always loaded Dec 01 03:24:10 <[pablo]> Ar-ras: i've looked, haven't found anything Dec 01 03:24:11 cat /proc/modules Dec 01 03:24:23 or is it built into kernel Dec 01 03:24:55 <[pablo]> it uses gpsd Dec 01 03:25:30 then there should be a way to start gpsd manually Dec 01 03:25:57 its just a matter of the right options Dec 01 03:26:29 <[pablo]> yeah Dec 01 03:27:24 what is the name of this part of N800 which clicks Dec 01 03:27:32 part of the case Dec 01 03:27:40 huh? Dec 01 03:27:49 what case? Dec 01 03:27:55 cover Dec 01 03:28:03 I think I was ripped off :) Dec 01 03:28:12 :D Dec 01 03:28:13 what cover? Dec 01 03:28:36 The stand? Dec 01 03:28:40 mine came with no cover Dec 01 03:28:47 my stand is broken Dec 01 03:28:55 How'd you manage that? Dec 01 03:28:59 The stand is the best part! Dec 01 03:29:02 so is my battery cover latch Dec 01 03:29:17 What the hell did you do to your N800? :P Dec 01 03:29:57 went on 3 week vacation camping western usa with 4 kids :) Dec 01 03:30:12 yes i mean the stand Dec 01 03:30:13 Still works like a champ though Dec 01 03:30:30 <[pablo]> hmm, starting the gpsdriver service doesn't do it Dec 01 03:30:50 is the stand of the N810 from metall or plastic too? Dec 01 03:31:26 hoping metal Dec 01 03:31:48 and hoping the usb port is not covered by the stand Dec 01 03:31:59 not that I am having that problem anymore :) Dec 01 03:32:05 I'm fairly certain it is. Dec 01 03:32:10 [pablo] is the stand from metal? Dec 01 03:32:17 GA do you have N810? Dec 01 03:32:23 <[pablo]> on the n810 yes, it is all metal Dec 01 03:32:33 I would be CERTAIN if I did. ;) Dec 01 03:32:38 <[pablo]> hmm, messing with that service did get my device to just reboot on its own lol Dec 01 03:32:45 is the stand the same size like the N800 stand? Dec 01 03:32:48 is usb port exposed or hidden by stand Dec 01 03:32:56 <[pablo]> no idea, i don't have an n800 Dec 01 03:33:02 <[pablo]> it is hidden by the stand Dec 01 03:33:09 #@$# Dec 01 03:33:13 penguinbait why? Dec 01 03:33:19 so no dirt goes in it Dec 01 03:33:36 Well if I want to use it I have to have the stand open Dec 01 03:33:45 thats not always optimal Dec 01 03:34:37 <[pablo]> so far I have only found one situation you can use the usb port in, and having the stand open isn't to inconvenient while it's hooked up to a computer Dec 01 03:35:20 usb thumb drives, cdrom, dvd, usb hard drives Dec 01 03:36:05 I would like to have it mounted in the car with a usb hard drive connected. That sounds like it would be a fairly common use Dec 01 03:36:21 <[pablo]> nope, it doesn't do host usb Dec 01 03:36:27 <[pablo]> and it's microusb Dec 01 03:36:37 bah sure it does...just need to do a bit of rewiring Dec 01 03:36:47 lol Dec 01 03:36:49 already got it working on the 770 Dec 01 03:36:52 and if you want to mount it in your car, you probably would have a holder, and it probably would not fit well with the stand open Dec 01 03:37:04 just need to power it and have the right adapter Dec 01 03:37:22 penguinbait: exactly why I would like not to have the stand open Dec 01 03:37:35 770 was easy, and now n800 is easy too Dec 01 03:37:42 <[pablo]> that has potential for some serious hardware hacking heh Dec 01 03:38:05 [pablo]: its ridiculously simple... Dec 01 03:38:10 I just used gender benders, no hacking Dec 01 03:38:20 <[pablo]> to power the usb port? Dec 01 03:38:22 no hacking is needed Dec 01 03:38:29 penguinbait: you need more than that you have to supply power the wrong way Dec 01 03:38:33 on 770 800, just buy the correct pieces Dec 01 03:38:50 [pablo] use your mobile nuclear plant Dec 01 03:38:53 * Ar-ras slaps [pablo] around a bit with a large trout Dec 01 03:39:06 I know this, I use a split cable, a gender bender, a battery powered hub Dec 01 03:39:07 <[pablo]> mine went in for repair and never came back =/ Dec 01 03:39:08 :) Dec 01 03:39:19 mine too pablo Dec 01 03:39:20 powered hub doesn't work because the power needs to go to the n770 not just the device Dec 01 03:39:37 split usb cable Dec 01 03:39:46 it does work I used it Dec 01 03:39:51 penguinbait: sounds cool Dec 01 03:40:04 penguinbait: that would be a much nicer setup than my altoids can hack... Dec 01 03:40:13 is there a way to access the gps info with homebrew dev? Dec 01 03:40:15 I did not want to solder anything Dec 01 03:40:27 penguinbait: how much did it cost you to do it that way? Dec 01 03:40:29 I always burn my fingers :) Dec 01 03:41:04 I would destroy my device Dec 01 03:41:08 <[pablo]> i wont lie, i would love to get host usb working on my n810, toss my extra 80GB WD passport in my car for my music library on my n810 while I drive Dec 01 03:41:12 <[pablo]> that would be sweeet Dec 01 03:41:13 20$ for hub, 9$ split usb cable, 2$ gender bender Dec 01 03:41:19 Ar-ras: you never actually mess with the device Dec 01 03:41:26 plus shipping 10 Dec 01 03:41:44 pablo, it already works Dec 01 03:41:47 hmm you wouldn't happen to have a link to the cable+gender bender would you? Dec 01 03:42:00 <[pablo]> on the n810? Dec 01 03:42:09 give me a minute fool2 Dec 01 03:42:21 n810 its comes working pablo Dec 01 03:42:26 is there any easy method to get Samba on N800? Dec 01 03:42:30 you just need OTG cable Dec 01 03:42:42 penguinbait: whats an OTG cable? Dec 01 03:42:45 or gender bender and use nokia cable Dec 01 03:43:05 <[pablo]> usb on the go Dec 01 03:43:16 I dont know, I dont have one, but yes on the go Dec 01 03:43:26 hmm, I will just use the nokia cable and a gender bender... Dec 01 03:43:43 its a special cable, which will aloww the n810 to auto detect devices on usb Dec 01 03:44:03 are the drivers already in N800? Dec 01 03:44:17 you can also use a gender bender on the end of standard nokia cable and turn it on manually Dec 01 03:44:26 this goes for n800 and n810 Dec 01 03:44:27 or must you hack for every device the drivers? Dec 01 03:44:31 on 2008os Dec 01 03:44:45 <[pablo]> http://www.cbbstore.com/retail/shop/productdetails.asp?pid=5529&src=1001 Dec 01 03:44:47 <[pablo]> $6 Dec 01 03:44:48 the mass storage came working Dec 01 03:44:53 penguinbait you mean DKE-2 whit gender bender Dec 01 03:44:54 so usb drives Dec 01 03:45:22 I compiled the kernel modules for CDROM and DVD and those now are also workign Dec 01 03:45:47 <[pablo]> i need to figure out how to get power to it in my car though, passports are powered over usb Dec 01 03:46:24 modify a usb cable to use a car lighter adapter rated at 5v Dec 01 03:46:24 pablo you have in your car 12 V Dec 01 03:46:39 yeah acydlord Dec 01 03:46:42 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12491 Dec 01 03:47:04 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4177 Dec 01 03:47:51 a 5v outlet, cool. Dec 01 03:48:14 lol I have only heard of 12v car outlets... Dec 01 03:48:36 <[pablo]> me too Dec 01 03:48:40 so was there any easter egg in the N810? Dec 01 03:50:00 <[pablo]> no, but there is a hard boiled egg that comes in the box you can decorate yourself Dec 01 03:50:21 <[pablo]> =) Dec 01 03:50:24 TheFool2 you can buy for your mobilephones a car charger which uses the 12 V Car lighter Dec 01 03:50:51 And the power should be about 5 V Dec 01 03:51:47 <[pablo]> so get a mini-usb phone car charger, chop off the end and put a USB female plug on it, attatch a split cable to plug into the HD and the n810? Dec 01 03:53:54 http://www.bixnet.com/5vps2powercord.html Dec 01 03:54:02 there is the split y cable Dec 01 03:55:24 <[pablo]> ok, but it has two type A usb, those wont plug into the n810 Dec 01 03:56:26 <[pablo]> i need a mini to micro with a car adapter y coming off heh Dec 01 03:56:31 penguinbait: so the mini to the n770/800/810 and a gender bender to get one into a usb drive and the other into a powered hub? Dec 01 03:56:39 [pablo] yes but be carefull, Nokia Mobilephones can take up to 9 V without damaging Dec 01 03:57:19 but USB should be stailized Dec 01 03:57:41 stabilized Dec 01 03:57:57 on 770 - the mini to the tablet, the main to a powered hub, the other able plugs into the hub to provide power Dec 01 03:58:07 now polug your device into the hub Dec 01 03:59:00 I go to bed Dec 01 03:59:08 interesting 8 bucks...not bad Dec 01 03:59:09 its 5 o'clock AM Dec 01 03:59:13 you will need gender bender female A to female A to plug in the hub to the usb cable Dec 01 03:59:19 good night Dec 01 03:59:19 11pm Dec 01 03:59:27 good night Dec 01 03:59:51 fool you understand? Dec 01 04:01:21 http://www.cyberguys.com/templates/SearchDetail.asp?productID=2823 Dec 01 04:01:26 penguinbait: yea, totally ordering one Dec 01 04:01:26 gender changer Dec 01 04:03:00 I ordered mine, and I played with it on my 770 about 3 times, then I sent it in for repair Dec 01 04:03:01 <[pablo]> anyone know if they make car powered usb hubs? =P Dec 01 04:03:23 <[pablo]> i understand that setup heh Dec 01 04:03:35 never got my 770 back from repair,bought a 800, and never could use any of it Dec 01 04:03:58 I may buy a 770 when I can get one for 50$ :) Dec 01 04:04:18 pablo Dec 01 04:04:39 you only need the gender bender and your nokia cable Dec 01 04:04:51 that last link Dec 01 04:04:58 $2.99 Dec 01 04:05:10 <[pablo]> and just plug the drive straight into the n810? Dec 01 04:05:12 probably $5 for shipping :) Dec 01 04:05:24 <[pablo]> i still don't have power to the drive though ... Dec 01 04:05:39 it depends pablo Dec 01 04:05:52 I ran thumb drive off n800 power Dec 01 04:06:11 I had to provide extra power for my usb hard drive Dec 01 04:06:32 <[pablo]> yeah, it would need extra power for sure, just trying to figure out how to do that in my car Dec 01 04:07:16 <[pablo]> is it feasable to buy a y cable for my portable drive and plug the extra usb into car power somehow Dec 01 04:08:30 perhaps a usb y cable and a powered hub, the powered hub could provide the extra power Dec 01 04:08:54 do they have car powered usb hubs? 12v Dec 01 04:09:06 <[pablo]> not sure, i've been looking but haven't found one Dec 01 04:09:19 <[pablo]> another option I might have is a stereo with usb ports possibly Dec 01 04:09:24 <[pablo]> i know those are out there Dec 01 04:09:28 <[pablo]> and i'm sure they are powered Dec 01 04:09:41 <[pablo]> but then I could probably just plug the drive straight into the stereo and play it form there heh Dec 01 04:09:45 <[pablo]> from* Dec 01 04:14:06 Hmmm Dec 01 04:14:32 I have a cigarette lighter charger for my iblue gps Dec 01 04:15:14 it plugs in the lighter, and has a usb female A output Dec 01 04:15:39 <[pablo]> really? Dec 01 04:15:42 but it would put out 12v would that fry everything? Dec 01 04:15:56 <[pablo]> not sure, you sure it's 12v? Dec 01 04:16:01 <[pablo]> it's not stepped down? Dec 01 04:16:16 yeah, I'd multimeter that Dec 01 04:16:29 if it plugs into a regular USB port, I'd hope it was 5v Dec 01 04:16:31 It has a cable like the nokia, and charges the gps via a mini A port Dec 01 04:16:55 I suppose it could be dropping voltage Dec 01 04:16:56 <[pablo]> it should still be only 5v Dec 01 04:17:12 I will have to get my voltmeter out Dec 01 04:17:25 just don't short the pins ;-) Dec 01 04:17:35 I blew a fan controller on a motherboard doing that, the other day :-P Dec 01 04:17:53 <[pablo]> lol Dec 01 04:18:31 it sucked, I was building an IR receiver for a mythtv box Dec 01 04:18:55 I had this sweet design, it was technically correct in its outputs, ran off a fan power plug, etc., it was beautiful Dec 01 04:18:58 and TOTALLY didn't work Dec 01 04:19:21 so I just hacked some rad shack reciever part in to a drive power cable and wired it *directly* to the sound card for input ... and it worked fine Dec 01 04:19:25 I was pissed Dec 01 04:20:19 pablo, it says output 5.4volts Dec 01 04:20:51 <[pablo]> nice, so something like that would be perfect, what was it for again? Dec 01 04:21:00 perhaps you could get a replacement part Dec 01 04:21:14 its a car chager for i-blue gps Dec 01 04:22:47 my local big lots has a bunch of cellular phone car charger power plugs Dec 01 04:22:53 for $2.50 or something Dec 01 04:23:03 I bet one of them is USB Dec 01 04:24:14 my razr is also miniusb charger, but its 12v Dec 01 04:24:42 <[pablo]> elb: this adapter has a female a usb end on it though Dec 01 04:24:44 no its not Dec 01 04:24:52 I am on somthing Dec 01 04:25:00 its also 5v Dec 01 04:25:25 <[pablo]> oh wow Dec 01 04:25:32 <[pablo]> http://www.buygpsnow.com/two-sockets-car-charger-with-1-usb-port-charge-your-pda-smartphone-i-pod-in-your-car-by-just-mobile-677.aspx Dec 01 04:25:36 <[pablo]> that is sexy Dec 01 04:25:41 Car charger for a motorola razr v3 shoud do it Dec 01 04:26:20 I don't know if I'd use the word "sexy", exactly ;-) Dec 01 04:26:40 <[pablo]> what can I say, i'm freaky deaky haha Dec 01 04:26:43 there you go Dec 01 04:26:49 <[pablo]> no seriously though, that is perfect Dec 01 04:27:03 <[pablo]> i can charge my n810, my phone, and my hard drive with that Dec 01 04:27:34 <[pablo]> so i just need that, a y cable, and a fem/fem adapter Dec 01 04:28:17 yup Dec 01 04:28:27 <[pablo]> $20 plus shipping it looks like Dec 01 04:28:29 <[pablo]> that's not bad =) Dec 01 04:28:45 <[pablo]> and then I should be able to just mount the HD like i would on my desktop? Dec 01 04:28:47 what 20+ Dec 01 04:28:50 whats? Dec 01 04:29:09 hey pablo, your gonna like this Dec 01 04:29:17 <[pablo]> the car charging thing, a y cable, and the fem/fem adapter Dec 01 04:29:18 the hard drive will automount Dec 01 04:29:26 <[pablo]> haha friggin sweet =) Dec 01 04:29:34 ah yes all together Dec 01 04:30:14 Alright I am headed out Dec 01 04:30:25 let me know how it goes Dec 01 04:30:30 <[pablo]> thanks a lot =) have a good one Dec 01 04:30:39 <[pablo]> oh if it works i'll do a write up on it heh Dec 01 04:30:49 you too, cool Dec 01 04:41:59 hmm, h a n d W r itlng iS neat. Dec 01 04:42:30 I gave up on handwriting in about 30 secs Dec 01 04:42:45 neeas l ra,ng,nq Ma7be Dec 01 04:43:16 heh Dec 01 04:43:32 yeah i caan see why Dec 01 04:43:41 After using a Newton, the HWR on the NITs is embarrassing. Dec 01 04:44:21 i wish the thumb pad was better with irc Dec 01 04:44:40 I got a quick question Dec 01 04:44:46 i downloaded the vmware image Dec 01 04:44:52 and my chinook environment is ready Dec 01 04:45:01 i need to compile the sources and test the app Dec 01 04:45:21 is there any tutorail out there somewhere? Dec 01 04:45:30 it's a bit clumsy to thumb then switch view Dec 01 04:45:37 google didn't bring anything useful Dec 01 04:46:04 appriciate the help Dec 01 04:46:51 * TheFool2 tries to poke some of the "real" devs awake Dec 01 04:47:22 ShyBoy: wish I could help, I have no clue. Dec 01 04:47:56 GeneralAntilles: a Newton? as in that old apple PDA? Dec 01 04:48:02 Yes. Dec 01 04:48:08 well I am just wondering that when i run the xephyr my command prompt is holding it Dec 01 04:48:11 GeneralAntilles: did it have good HWR? Dec 01 04:48:20 Aside from the size, it's really the best PDA ever made. Dec 01 04:48:24 The HWR was fantastic. Dec 01 04:48:27 GeneralAntilles: or is it just that the IT's have such horrid HWR Dec 01 04:48:34 so should I close xephyr? in order to work on command prompt, so I can open another terminal? Dec 01 04:48:44 Well, both. :) The Newton was amazing and the ITs are horrid. Dec 01 04:48:56 same here. all i can do is gawk at this pretty screen Dec 01 04:49:18 if I open another terminal, do i have to login again in scratchbox? or I can jsut use the linux prompt to compile the stuff etc, and then need ot bring it in scratchnox? Dec 01 04:49:57 you can run a newton emu on ITs i hear Dec 01 04:50:34 Hehe Dec 01 04:50:47 Screen is way too small for decent HWR on an emulated newton. Dec 01 04:50:57 l7_: I would love to see someone use that to provide input for hildon... Dec 01 04:52:29 TheFool2: too bad you'd need to own a newton to legally use the emu Dec 01 04:54:25 http://cs.gmu.edu/~sean/stuff/n800/ Dec 01 04:55:59 And Its GUI Shortcomings From a Newton Developer's Perspective Dec 01 04:56:45 l7_: bah, I am sure I could pick one up for like $5 Dec 01 04:57:14 heh Dec 01 04:57:25 GeneralAntilles: besides the HWR what makes the Newton so great? Dec 01 04:57:40 It's basically the perfect PDA (minus the size) Dec 01 04:57:50 Everything about the OS is incredibly well thought-out. Dec 01 04:58:16 the lasttime i considered buying a newton it was still 300 Dec 01 04:58:17 it's typical Apple Dec 01 04:58:31 90% of it is amazing, but they have to suck at the last minute ;-) Dec 01 05:01:31 itś´too bad they ccouldnt´sell em Dec 01 05:02:44 the mp 21OO was like a thousand dollars at launch iirc Dec 01 05:03:16 thatÅ› five n800s! Dec 01 05:03:46 and $1000 in 1996 dollars. Dec 01 05:04:40 hm Dec 01 05:06:26 weird, i got stuck and couldnt´scroll down in irssi Dec 01 05:06:41 this stowaway keyboard is quirky Dec 01 05:07:13 B/part Dec 01 05:07:17 Dec 01 05:11:35 oh yeah... i forgot how weak these 2007 dollars are Dec 01 05:12:17 have to figure out how to remap the stowaway properly Dec 01 05:18:42 [pablo]: Seems like half of Phoenix is made up of people escaping Michigan Dec 01 05:20:04 <[pablo]> joshin: you too? Dec 01 05:20:54 My wife and her family lived outside Detroit (Farmington area). Her parents retired to Phoenix and we moved here to be close to them (from Oregon) Dec 01 05:21:02 We're in Gilbert. You? Dec 01 05:21:10 <[pablo]> downtown phoenix Dec 01 05:21:34 You mean people actually live in the downtown part. :p Dec 01 05:22:58 <[pablo]> yeah Dec 01 05:23:03 <[pablo]> there's not much residence here I know Dec 01 05:23:07 <[pablo]> but there is a bit Dec 01 05:23:09 <[pablo]> i wish there was more Dec 01 05:23:17 <[pablo]> phoenix is not nearly pedestrian enough for me Dec 01 05:23:21 There will be. Someday. Dec 01 05:23:31 Well, in the summer it is a touch hot to be walking around. Dec 01 05:23:58 Though if they spent the $ on a whole city misting system instead of on light rail, it might be better. Dec 01 05:24:46 <[pablo]> yeah this lightrail business is rediculous Dec 01 05:24:59 <[pablo]> i would never describe something with a top speed of 28mph "light" anything Dec 01 05:25:38 Is there a faster way to get the "right-click menu" then tapping and holding? Dec 01 05:25:54 <[pablo]> not taht I have found Dec 01 05:25:59 <[pablo]> but that would be very useful Dec 01 05:26:02 It describes the size of the tracks and how all our wallets will feel after it gets paid for. Dec 01 05:26:06 <[pablo]> it takes for ever, and sometimes doesn't register Dec 01 05:26:18 <[pablo]> joshin: lol Dec 01 05:26:26 TheFool2: Nope. Though it might be nice to figure a way to map a key combo to it. Dec 01 05:26:27 <[pablo]> surface level was a huge mistake too Dec 01 05:26:49 joshin: is such a thing possible? If so why on earth has no one done it? Dec 01 05:26:58 Yup but a subway would even be more expensive. Dec 01 05:27:20 They're pushing that for Tampa, FL. Dec 01 05:27:22 <[pablo]> above ground wouldn't have been much more expensive Dec 01 05:27:22 I just don't buy it. Dec 01 05:27:24 TheFool2: Its software so it is possible. Maybe no one is as bothered by it as you. Dec 01 05:27:27 <[pablo]> could have gone much faster Dec 01 05:27:55 I hope you don't have to buy it GeneralAntilles. Dec 01 05:28:18 ;) Dec 01 05:28:25 So do I, so do I. Dec 01 05:28:54 I can't imagine that, if I could just hit some button and then tap... I am thinking it's more that there is no real way to tye a key combo into a press and hold event with hildon Dec 01 05:29:20 <[pablo]> FN + Click should be right click Dec 01 05:30:31 p Dec 01 05:30:50 and p to you as well Dec 01 05:31:55 weird connecting the stowaway disabled the thumbboard Dec 01 05:32:06 that makes sense Dec 01 05:32:23 you just changed input methods Dec 01 05:32:31 kinda Dec 01 05:32:48 i wanted it toget Dec 01 05:32:56 how does the stowaway work for you? does it work in every app? Dec 01 05:33:10 to use both though Dec 01 05:33:19 hmm Dec 01 05:33:39 have you tried manually bringing up the thumboard? Dec 01 05:33:44 i havent tested every app Dec 01 05:33:48 yes Dec 01 05:34:02 hmm well thats dumb Dec 01 05:34:35 it wouldn't give me the thumbboard or onscreen kb til i disconnected Dec 01 05:34:37 it should disable the act of bringing it up for text areas no disable it completely Dec 01 05:34:44 the stowaway Dec 01 05:35:37 wow reindexing 90gb of music takes some serious time Dec 01 05:35:47 hmm Dec 01 05:36:21 now the stowaway is connected Dec 01 05:36:29 it killed the onscreen kbs Dec 01 05:37:15 i bet i could poke a hole in the bottom of the screen w/o getting an onscreen kb now Dec 01 05:37:22 this is just in xterm though Dec 01 05:38:10 hmm it seems to apply to all text input fields Dec 01 05:38:33 what is worse is that i cant´seem to access cut and paste for those fields now Dec 01 05:38:37 I am still trying to find a good method of on-the-go text input...I miss my zaurus's thumbpad Dec 01 05:38:49 ack that is a problem Dec 01 05:38:50 like if i wanted to cut and paste a URL Dec 01 05:39:33 ctrl+c/shift+insert on the stowaway maybe? Dec 01 05:39:40 the zaurus thumbpad is like the treoÅ›s right? Dec 01 05:39:59 haven't seen the treo's so I couldn't tell you Dec 01 05:40:21 ah yes ctrl-c or x and v work Dec 01 05:40:33 it wasa nice slide out, very tactile Dec 01 05:40:53 I could type a good 20 wpm with it Dec 01 05:41:00 it seems to assume you are in _laptop mode_ Dec 01 05:41:06 for want of a better term Dec 01 05:41:19 so you cant´switch fluidly between keyboarding and getting up and thumboarding Dec 01 05:41:48 that is a shame, I really need an inbetween state...for when I want to pace and code... Dec 01 05:42:21 unless you disconnect it Dec 01 05:43:43 yeah i want my robotech hybrid mode dammit ;-] Dec 01 05:44:29 robotech? Dec 01 05:44:50 Also: edit menu, l7_. Dec 01 05:45:02 i wonder how it goes with the n810 Dec 01 05:45:28 oh yeah Dec 01 05:45:51 I hear the keyboard is nice but the top row is to close to the screen and you can't get your fingers in there right Dec 01 05:46:39 yeah i read that review too Dec 01 05:48:24 hey swiitch between peck mode and thumbboard is neat. it seems to reduce fatigue Dec 01 05:48:25 god I love mmpc Dec 01 05:49:10 what's mmpc? Dec 01 05:49:22 so simple...so elegant... Dec 01 05:49:28 you know what mpd is? Dec 01 05:49:55 it is basically a way to remote control your computers music playing from the tablet Dec 01 05:50:06 it connects to a server called mpd Dec 01 05:50:07 alas i am but a mere mortal Dec 01 05:50:39 http://mmpc.garage.maemo.org/ Dec 01 05:51:06 I spent about an hour trying to port an ncurses based client before I found that... Dec 01 05:51:12 oh, i thought it was some arcane programing thing Dec 01 05:51:49 that sounds neat Dec 01 05:52:11 i hope it works w/ songbird Dec 01 05:52:15 yea, I basically have it hooked up so I can control my entire houses sound system from my 770 Dec 01 05:52:34 and I have a cron job to blast music as an alarm clock :) Dec 01 05:52:57 l7_: it would work alongside songbird... Dec 01 05:53:31 l7_: I really think songbird is a solution looking for a problem Dec 01 05:53:41 man thats pretty sweet Dec 01 05:53:53 heh Dec 01 05:54:36 i like its crossplatformness Dec 01 05:55:20 I had an issue with songbird not resizing properly in linux...but hey its still alpha/beta Dec 01 05:55:43 i havent really settled on a music player of choice yet Dec 01 05:56:09 to be honest songbird could be it when it is further along Dec 01 05:56:44 itunes like interface, cross platform... it just needs to add a few rather important features Dec 01 05:57:00 it would be nice to see the firefox of open source media players Dec 01 05:57:56 im tired of itunes, but it seems to have the best interface Dec 01 05:58:32 which player do you use? Dec 01 05:58:46 I still use itunes 7.2, even on linux...simple and nice DAAP implementation Dec 01 05:59:34 after 7.2 apple locked down the DAAP pretty harshly Dec 01 05:59:50 anyone got wireless tools (iwconfig!) working on os2008? Dec 01 06:01:42 kupesoft: what problem are you having with it? Dec 01 06:02:03 TheFool2: Can't find a package! Dec 01 06:02:06 kupesoft: I use 2007 so I can't help much, just curious Dec 01 06:02:26 kupesoft: have you tried simply using an older package? Dec 01 06:02:31 no ;p Dec 01 06:03:01 there is a decent chance it might work... Dec 01 06:03:42 I have had no issues running 2006 apps on 2007 HE Dec 01 06:05:11 interesting Dec 01 06:05:45 im glad i still run itunes 7.1 Dec 01 06:06:01 yea, it works great with canola Dec 01 06:06:54 wish i had downloaded 7.2 though Dec 01 06:07:33 that's the annoying thing about apple Dec 01 06:08:11 i hope songbird develops quickly ;) Dec 01 06:08:15 want it for windows or OS X? Dec 01 06:08:25 7.2 I mean Dec 01 06:09:56 anyways I am going to bed for the night... Dec 01 06:10:20 http://oldapps.com/itunes.htm if you want to upgrade to an old version :) Dec 01 06:11:17 re Dec 01 06:11:24 ah awesome Dec 01 06:11:42 i use windows and mac Dec 01 06:13:39 Why in the world would you use Windows? :P Dec 01 06:14:02 dunno Dec 01 06:14:21 it came w/ the box? Dec 01 06:14:50 i wanted a powerful server Dec 01 06:14:59 So put Debian on there. Dec 01 06:15:27 yeah, no itunes though Dec 01 06:15:32 is this windows and macintosh channel? Dec 01 06:15:55 linux intimidates me Dec 01 06:16:17 I'm in the wrong channel Dec 01 06:16:32 the n800 was supposed to be a was to get the hang of it Dec 01 06:16:38 I must then quit Dec 01 06:16:51 hmm Dec 01 06:17:30 it was all related to the n800 Dec 01 06:19:27 Weird one. Dec 01 06:20:13 yeah Dec 01 06:23:30 <|R> http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/showimage.php?m=Reviews.Images&f=name&id=23892 <- anyone know which micro-USB format is that? Dec 01 06:23:55 <|R> Can't find a cable for my headset with that format, though BlueAnt uses this on their V12 and Z9 headset claiming it's micro-USB... Dec 01 06:25:38 <|R> from what i gathered, type-A and type-B micro-USB are different from this... didn't see any references to other types! Dec 01 06:27:10 <|R> oh, seems like there is a micro-AB... urhm Dec 01 06:28:07 weird Dec 01 06:28:14 is that the top of your headset? Dec 01 06:28:29 <|R> that's a Z9, i have a V12 but it's the same plug Dec 01 06:29:52 <|R> argh, i think it's proprietary... Dec 01 06:30:04 <|R> those asshole say it's micro-usb on the box! Dec 01 06:30:07 <|R> :( Dec 01 06:30:26 :/ Dec 01 06:30:49 <|R> The Z9 at least comes with that usb to plug cable... not my V12 and i can't find a spare part seller for it :| Dec 01 06:31:15 * |R doesn't want to travel with a bunch of AC adapters :P Dec 01 06:32:35 the adaptor is for charging? Dec 01 06:32:50 i cant´see any other reason for a headset to have a usb plug Dec 01 06:32:55 <|R> yeah, they actually gave me an AC adapter and a car charger, but not the USB cable! Dec 01 06:33:10 <|R> well apparently the Z9 can also have firmware upgrade through that plug Dec 01 06:33:26 thatÅ› too bad, i wonder what incentive they have for going proprietary Dec 01 06:33:41 <|R> no clue, and lying about it too :| Dec 01 06:33:43 hrm firmare update, that is interesting Dec 01 06:34:08 seems odd for a headset, but useful i suppose Dec 01 06:34:50 my cheapo headset has some kind of weird adaptor tip as wel Dec 01 06:34:56 <|R> hehe yeah, maybe it's to be able to release earlier buggy product... Dec 01 06:35:00 i wish everyone would just use micro or mini usb Dec 01 06:35:04 <|R> me too :| Dec 01 06:35:22 hey guys Dec 01 06:35:24 does it decreas their costs to go proprietary? Dec 01 06:35:27 really need your help Dec 01 06:35:28 seems odd to me Dec 01 06:35:34 i m trying to compile some sources Dec 01 06:35:38 <|R> maybe there is a licensing cost to the standard body? Dec 01 06:35:40 can someone please guide me? Dec 01 06:35:46 <|R> like firewire had... and bluetooth i guess Dec 01 06:36:00 <|R> ShyBoy : well... ask something, we'll see? :) Dec 01 06:36:10 i have chinook environment ready Dec 01 06:36:15 hrm, good point Dec 01 06:36:17 i have xephyr running Dec 01 06:36:28 i have sources in linux box Dec 01 06:36:31 how to compile it? Dec 01 06:36:43 <|R> make Dec 01 06:36:51 1. when i run xephyr the command prompt have no control Dec 01 06:36:59 should i open new terminal window? Dec 01 06:37:21 <|R> in the scratchbox login envrionment from which you ran xephyr... Dec 01 06:37:27 <|R> you have your source code? Dec 01 06:37:46 i have my sources here /scratchbox/users/maemo/home/maemo/workspace Dec 01 06:37:48 <|R> Than you just choose the target with sbmenu i think and compile it like any other compilation Dec 01 06:38:08 <|R> But i'm not expert yet, i just tried it once for now ;) Dec 01 06:38:15 so at that point, i don't need to run xephyr right? Dec 01 06:38:42 <|R> no, i don't see why Dec 01 06:40:10 <|R> p/clear Dec 01 06:40:12 <|R> arf Dec 01 06:40:20 how do i know what targets are already installed Dec 01 06:40:26 i got the vmware image Dec 01 06:40:26 bye Dec 01 06:40:37 <|R> not too sure, sb-menu (sbmenu?) has a list somewhere Dec 01 06:40:41 <|R> in setup or something Dec 01 06:40:44 <|R> can't remember Dec 01 06:46:47 Is it just me, or does lopz say exactly two things a day, "hola" and "bye"? Dec 01 06:48:42 <|R> a polite idler maybe :) Dec 01 06:48:50 when I try to compile the sources in the target i get this error Dec 01 06:48:51 configure: error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh in . ./.. ./../.. Dec 01 06:48:51 [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > Dec 01 06:49:07 i can see that install-sh file is there Dec 01 06:49:18 its not missing, y its complaning can't find? Dec 01 06:49:21 <|R> urhm, no clue :( Dec 01 06:50:22 <[pablo]> permissions correct? Dec 01 06:50:51 lrwxrwxrwx 1 maemo maemo 34 Dec 1 02:04 install-sh -> /usr/share/automake-1.9/install-sh Dec 01 06:51:04 thats the permissions on that file Dec 01 06:51:15 <[pablo]> try setting them to something more reasonable like 755 Dec 01 06:51:22 <|R> that's a link Dec 01 06:51:33 there is also a line there which I think maybe a problem Dec 01 06:51:33 lrwxrwxrwx 1 maemo maemo 31 Dec 1 02:04 missing -> /usr/share/automake-1.9/missing Dec 01 06:51:34 <|R> it's always going to be rwxrwxrwx Dec 01 06:51:53 <[pablo]> oh Dec 01 06:52:15 <|R> take a look at the file in points to to be sure you have access Dec 01 06:52:30 <[pablo]> does /usr/share/automake-1.9/install-sh exist? Dec 01 06:52:50 no Dec 01 06:52:59 i think i should do the apt-get for that Dec 01 06:53:01 right? Dec 01 06:53:07 <[pablo]> well there yougo =) Dec 01 06:53:11 <[pablo]> that may fix it yes Dec 01 06:53:33 hmm Dec 01 06:53:37 how do i get that Dec 01 06:53:47 apt-get install auto doesn't give me any list Dec 01 06:53:48 <[pablo]> apt-get install automake? Dec 01 06:53:57 <[pablo]> it's automake not auto Dec 01 06:54:19 Reading package lists... Done Dec 01 06:54:19 Building dependency tree... Done Dec 01 06:54:19 E: Couldn't find package automake Dec 01 06:54:28 i need to add the repository first i guess Dec 01 06:55:02 <[pablo]> what OS are you running that doesn't have automake? Dec 01 06:55:29 linux 2.6.x hosyt Dec 01 06:55:31 host Dec 01 06:55:38 i think its ubuntu Dec 01 06:55:40 <[pablo]> .. what distro? Dec 01 06:56:05 what is the command to get that info Dec 01 06:56:09 :) Dec 01 06:56:13 <[pablo]> ubuntu has automake Dec 01 06:56:17 ver doesn't give me anything Dec 01 06:56:28 <[pablo]> well, did you install the OS on your computer? Dec 01 06:56:57 actually i downloaded the vmware image for chinook enviroment Dec 01 06:57:02 Night folks. Dec 01 06:57:05 it looks similar to ubuntu Dec 01 06:57:09 <[pablo]> oh Dec 01 06:57:26 <[pablo]> i'm not familiar with it, but I would assume it's maemo built for x86 Dec 01 06:57:26 can't sleep...what calendar apps do you guys use? Dec 01 06:57:36 yes Dec 01 06:57:52 <[pablo]> TheFool2: i use google calendar and gpe calendar Dec 01 06:58:11 why both? do they sync? Dec 01 06:58:16 <[pablo]> i wish =/ Dec 01 06:58:35 <[pablo]> i'm in transition mode Dec 01 06:58:59 google calendar is nice, I just think the web app takes too long to make it a good scheduler...which way are you transitioning? Dec 01 06:59:11 <[pablo]> to gpe Dec 01 06:59:16 Linux maemo-sdk 2.6.22-14-generic #1 SMP Sun Oct 14 23:05:12 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux Dec 01 06:59:22 hmm then I shall start there Dec 01 06:59:24 <[pablo]> i've been using google calendar for years Dec 01 06:59:38 <[pablo]> but want to transition all my PIM functions to my n810 hopefully Dec 01 06:59:45 anyone have any idea how using dbus.. i can either change the current AP .. (a DUMMY type AP if that matters).. or how to bring up the connection manager connection dialog.. ive tried a couple things, ended up nowhere.. but i may be going about it the wrong way Dec 01 06:59:50 <[pablo]> syncing with gcal would be great Dec 01 07:00:50 <[pablo]> TheFool2: gpe is pretty good, it's got a basic todo application too, and an applet called gpesummary that's pretty useful Dec 01 07:01:16 [pablo]: I can't find it in my repos. Do you have a repo for it? Dec 01 07:01:55 [pablo]: when i just type automake i see the response Dec 01 07:02:09 [sbox-CHINOOK_X86: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > automake Dec 01 07:02:09 configure.in:4: version mismatch. This is Automake 1.8.5, Dec 01 07:02:09 configure.in:4: but the definition used by this AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE Dec 01 07:02:09 configure.in:4: comes from Automake 1.9.5. You should recreate Dec 01 07:02:09 configure.in:4: aclocal.m4 with aclocal and run automake again. Dec 01 07:02:10 configure.in: required file `./install-sh' not found Dec 01 07:02:12 configure.in: required file `./missing' not found Dec 01 07:02:14 Makefile.am: required file `./depcomp' not found Dec 01 07:02:15 <[pablo]> http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/ Dec 01 07:02:41 but i guess i do have automake Dec 01 07:02:43 riht Dec 01 07:02:44 right Dec 01 07:02:55 <[pablo]> sounds like it Dec 01 07:02:58 <[pablo]> just a different version Dec 01 07:03:01 yes, but an old version Dec 01 07:03:05 <[pablo]> have you tried doing what it says? Dec 01 07:03:27 <[pablo]> TheFool2: that was the repo ... http://www.cobb.uk.net/apt/ Dec 01 07:03:37 when i just type automake Dec 01 07:03:42 i post the results above Dec 01 07:03:45 sorry the old version comment was to ShyBoy. Dec 01 07:03:52 [pablo]: thanks for the lionk Dec 01 07:04:02 s/lionk/link Dec 01 07:04:09 how do i update the new version TheFool2 Dec 01 07:04:16 <[pablo]> i'm gonna go on a smoke break, bbiaf Dec 01 07:04:48 depends on what OS you are actually using. I am bafled that you are doing dev work without knowing your OS... Dec 01 07:05:48 try apt-get, yum, emerge...tell me if any of those exist on your system if they don't you recompile automake from source Dec 01 07:14:07 apt-get was not able to install or update Dec 01 07:14:16 yum emerge is not there eighetr Dec 01 07:14:23 i m trying to finding the deb file Dec 01 07:15:06 Hi Dec 01 07:18:16 [pablo]: ok, I really like gpe-calendar thanks. And goodnight all Dec 01 07:19:54 anyone noticed the the browser is really slow at zooming? Dec 01 07:20:20 <[pablo]> night TheFool2 Dec 01 07:23:56 hi there Dec 01 07:24:32 i have a problem with my new n800 Dec 01 07:25:12 i can't to see the flaspayer videoo Dec 01 07:25:43 i guess .. i don't have the plugin intalled Dec 01 07:26:04 SignalN800: I have the n800 and I could see the flashplayer right away Dec 01 07:26:17 because i have checked for find it Dec 01 07:26:28 but . nothing Dec 01 07:26:31 zerojay: hups Dec 01 07:26:37 <[pablo]> SignalN800: i had the same problem you had I think Dec 01 07:26:44 good for u Dec 01 07:26:54 <[pablo]> the plugin is most likely just disabled Dec 01 07:27:05 <[pablo]> which it will do automatically if you are low on memory for running apps Dec 01 07:27:24 how can able it ? Dec 01 07:27:55 Click the magnifying glass. Dec 01 07:27:56 <[pablo]> in microb there should be a magnifying glass with a + on it in the lower right corner Dec 01 07:27:59 No need to be rude, SignalN800. Dec 01 07:28:01 i need to turn oncologiait Dec 01 07:28:02 <[pablo]> click on that and go to components Dec 01 07:28:04 They're just trying to help. Dec 01 07:28:40 ok ty Dec 01 07:28:45 i tryingg Dec 01 07:33:58 i don't found this Dec 01 07:34:17 maybe . i don't understand Dec 01 07:34:32 :( Dec 01 07:35:29 <[pablo]> SignalN800: http://flickr.com/photos/bobb/2067564421/ Dec 01 07:35:37 <[pablo]> see in the lower right hand corner? Dec 01 07:36:02 ty so much man Dec 01 07:36:07 [pablo]: is that SO2008? Dec 01 07:36:37 <[pablo]> yeah Dec 01 07:37:48 ok Dec 01 07:37:54 understand Dec 01 07:38:02 <[pablo]> SignalN800: did it work? Dec 01 07:38:04 dont know if I like it more than the 2007 visually Dec 01 07:38:11 Meh, it's a theme. Dec 01 07:38:14 Themes can be changes. Dec 01 07:38:14 but i don't have this browser Dec 01 07:38:21 not yet Dec 01 07:38:22 SignalN800: do you have 2008 or 2007 in your N800? Dec 01 07:38:28 Personally, the default theme on OS2007 was ugly as all get out. Dec 01 07:38:32 Plankton was much nicer. Dec 01 07:38:34 os2007 Dec 01 07:38:35 GeneralAntilles: yes Dec 01 07:38:42 <[pablo]> i stated using plankton theme and it looks a lot better Dec 01 07:38:46 maybe Dec 01 07:39:01 i need to install it Dec 01 07:39:10 I'm hoping alterego's theme for OS2008 turns into something interesting. Dec 01 07:39:13 i try Dec 01 07:39:20 SignalN800: I get youtube without problems with 2007 and N800 Dec 01 07:39:27 <[pablo]> GeneralAntilles: what theme is that? Dec 01 07:39:38 GeneralAntilles: do you know if 2008 for N800 is stable enough? Dec 01 07:39:39 The one he's working on. ;) Dec 01 07:39:49 I would say so, yes, hugolp. Dec 01 07:39:56 im glade for u man Dec 01 07:41:02 <[pablo]> GeneralAntilles: well then I hope it turns out good too =) Dec 01 07:41:14 The youtube problems are basically gone from OS2008. Dec 01 07:41:34 <[pablo]> i still notice some choppiness here and there Dec 01 07:41:40 <[pablo]> but nothing major Dec 01 07:41:51 GeneralAntilles: good enough for me to get rid of 2007 and install 2008? Dec 01 07:42:09 I'd say so, yes. Dec 01 07:42:18 I really want to try maemomyth and watch live tv on my n800 Dec 01 07:42:26 cool Dec 01 07:42:39 and i want hildon-home python binding Dec 01 07:42:41 :) Dec 01 07:43:02 <[pablo]> slingbox player? =P Dec 01 07:43:34 zerojay: I can't believe how I missed a bug like that, but it should be fixed now.. Dec 01 07:45:23 anybody mess with dbus on n800? Dec 01 07:46:02 nice bug kulve :) Dec 01 07:48:23 hey, im installing sdk4.0 and scratchbox script didnt work Dec 01 07:49:06 Im using Ubuntu gutsy, had sdk3.2 installed but renamed to scratchbox3, and get this message ~$ /scratchbox/login Dec 01 07:49:06 ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! Dec 01 07:50:08 khertan: well, not really ;) I hate doing bugs like that.. One should really test things at least decently before releasing anything, but that was so small thing, so I was a bit too hasty with it.. Dec 01 07:52:34 anyone can give some help? Dec 01 07:53:26 kulve: when i say nice ... i should say ... funny... ;) Dec 01 07:53:45 i ve see the screenshot with the osso infoprint :) Dec 01 07:54:34 "One should really test things at least decently before releasing anything" << I always say that too :) But it s take time ... Dec 01 07:54:47 yeah it takes.. Dec 01 07:56:27 has somebody else had problems logging to downloads.m.o to edit/add apps? Dec 01 07:56:28 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2449 Dec 01 07:56:54 s,https,http, I assume.. Dec 01 07:59:37 truent: mess? Dec 01 08:02:10 same problem kulve Dec 01 08:04:21 kulve: do u know if there is somewhere some python binding for hildon-desktop / hildon-home available ... ? Dec 01 08:05:10 lucasr say that this should be inclued in chinook, but this is not inclued in the beta os2008 for n800 release Dec 01 08:08:33 khertan: sorry, I don't Dec 01 08:11:27 kulve: im wondering if it works for anyone ;P anyone at all Dec 01 08:11:53 i can get a service, listing of object paths for that service.. i try to get one of those.. no go Dec 01 08:13:45 truent: well, at least my dbus-send works from commandline.. Dec 01 08:14:06 a see yah guys Dec 01 08:14:10 bye Dec 01 08:14:22 truent: and about everything uses dbus on the device, so it's working at least on those parts.. Dec 01 08:15:09 try to get a connection dialog up.. serv: com.nokia.icd_ui, obj: /com/nokia/icd_ui interface: com.nokia.icd_ui method is show_conn_dlg Dec 01 08:15:16 i cant get that to bring up anything.. Dec 01 08:15:25 but it will intercept later msgs Dec 01 08:15:37 to where i cant open it up normally any longer Dec 01 08:27:09 <[pablo]> is there a libdbus1-2 for os2008? I have libdbus 1-2 but fceu is requiring 1-2 and wont install Dec 01 08:27:34 seems to be 1-3 Dec 01 08:27:51 recompiling should help.. Dec 01 08:28:00 <[pablo]> man they have a lot of apps at http://maemo.org/downloads/ that just don't work Dec 01 08:29:49 No kidding Dec 01 08:29:52 It needs some cleaning up. Dec 01 08:33:50 <[pablo]> it shouldnt include stuff from extras-devel Dec 01 08:34:02 <[pablo]> all the broken apps I can find are from extras-devel Dec 01 08:36:35 and we need also an real server for maemo ... Dec 01 08:36:44 a server that is not always down Dec 01 08:36:51 and a mirror Dec 01 08:38:42 It seems more like they're running maemo.org from a maemo DEVICE sometimes. Dec 01 08:40:42 <[pablo]> heh Dec 01 08:40:46 <[pablo]> that would be interesting Dec 01 09:03:19 * czr peeks Dec 01 09:03:29 <[pablo]> no peekign! Dec 01 09:03:38 <[pablo]> s/peekign/peeking Dec 01 09:07:12 <[pablo]> does anyone know why the time zone or 'home city' setting makes me pick a city that's 300 miles away and in a different time zone? Dec 01 09:09:34 Because it doesn't like you? Dec 01 09:10:14 <[pablo]> that doesn't seem fair Dec 01 09:10:23 <[pablo]> it should list phoenix Dec 01 09:10:24 Life isn't fair. Dec 01 09:10:37 <[pablo]> our state has it's own timezone lol Dec 01 09:10:46 <[pablo]> it's different than everyone elses ... almost Dec 01 09:11:32 File a bug. Dec 01 09:12:30 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1105 Dec 01 09:12:33 Unless that's already revelant. Dec 01 09:12:38 *erm, relevant. Dec 01 09:15:03 <[pablo]> sounds right Dec 01 09:15:20 <[pablo]> it's not so much a bug though as the way they implemented it in the UI as opposed to the system level Dec 01 09:15:40 That's a bug. :P Dec 01 09:15:54 Vote for it. Dec 01 09:17:51 <[pablo]> waitying on my password email Dec 01 09:18:27 <[pablo]> and wishing i knew how to type properly Dec 01 09:41:00 Morning, all Dec 01 09:45:14 ssvb: nice to meet you Dec 01 09:45:49 Howdy, Jaffa. Dec 01 09:59:16 trenka: hi, nice to meet you here too Dec 01 10:14:55 [pablo], but I have still the essence of C64 in me. I need to peek once a while. Otherwise I'll explode. Dec 01 10:43:44 <[pablo]> explosions are fun czr =) Dec 01 10:44:00 [pablo] exploding czrs are not :-) Dec 01 10:46:33 depends on if there's a camera close by Dec 01 10:46:58 the explosion will be dcc:d Dec 01 10:48:52 <[pablo]> don't knock it till you've tried it czr Dec 01 10:49:16 [pablo] I've tried it. Didn't like the results. Not enough glue to restore myself after that. Dec 01 10:49:43 <[pablo]> how about I provide the glue? Dec 01 10:49:50 <[pablo]> I have an excess of gorilla glue Dec 01 10:50:01 poor excess gorillas Dec 01 10:51:13 Everybody needs to start hyphenating everything when they're talking to czr. :P Dec 01 10:51:27 Also: I wonder what a gorilla's excess looks like. Dec 01 10:51:37 :-) Dec 01 10:52:01 bleh. I know when I've been doing something else for too long when I start forgetting hostnames Dec 01 10:52:17 You should make them more memorable. Dec 01 10:52:28 they are :-) Dec 01 10:52:50 I name weird hosts by using female-pop-"star"-names Dec 01 10:53:01 or they're not even popstars always Dec 01 10:53:03 <[pablo]> like madonna? Dec 01 10:53:09 nah. no madonna yet. Dec 01 10:53:22 <[pablo]> how could you not start with madonna? Dec 01 10:53:28 <[pablo]> who did you start with? hillary duff? Dec 01 10:53:54 britney & fergie are couple of apple cubes that are updating couple of NOC-screens, paris & nicole are couple of ia-64 machines I use for x-arch testing, and there's also christine for NOC-related stuff Dec 01 10:54:05 hillary wasn't too popular over here. Dec 01 10:54:20 <[pablo]> christine who? Dec 01 10:54:28 oh sorry, christina :-) Dec 01 10:54:32 <[pablo]> ah Dec 01 10:54:37 you should have started with kikka Dec 01 10:54:53 solmumaha, that'd just be too cruel :-) Dec 01 10:54:58 Apple Cubes, eh? Dec 01 10:55:03 Who the hell has Apple Cubes these days? Dec 01 10:55:12 may she rest in peace Dec 01 10:55:21 GeneralAntilles, they're nice when you don't need to do anything but update screens once a while. no fans. Dec 01 10:55:57 GeneralAntilles, and we had a surplus of them anyway. Dec 01 10:56:27 <[pablo]> i wonder which looks cooler, a surplus of cubes or a surplus of gorillas .... Dec 01 10:56:32 Middling-range desktop performance at high-end laptop prices! Dec 01 10:56:39 Cubes. Dec 01 10:57:10 http://www.techgadgetforums.com/files/apple_aquarium.jpg Dec 01 10:57:15 Surplus gorillas get very smelly after a very short period of time. Dec 01 10:57:22 well, considering they didn't cost anything, it isn't that bad Dec 01 10:57:31 Hehe Dec 01 10:57:41 I've got an old 128k that I've been meaning to do that to Dec 01 10:57:54 I just can't bring myself to lobotomize it. Dec 01 10:58:03 <[pablo]> haha that's cute =) Dec 01 10:59:06 seriously though. once you replace the internal drives with something more silent, the cubes are really nice Dec 01 10:59:18 it's not like you need a lot of memory just to display a webpage Dec 01 10:59:34 Ha Dec 01 10:59:34 (they're running linux obviously) Dec 01 10:59:42 Depends on the page. ;) Dec 01 10:59:49 true that :-) Dec 01 11:00:05 but this isn't some fancy AJAX-crap. Dec 01 11:00:23 or actually one of the pages is. but it's pretty light for AJAX-crap. Dec 01 11:03:52 amazon.de has Nokia N810 on 'pre order' http://qurl.org/nX Dec 01 11:07:30 I had a dream last night that I had a dream that I got a free N810. Dec 01 11:08:14 then you woke up but noticed that you're still dreaming Dec 01 11:08:18 * czr hates when that happens Dec 01 11:08:23 Ha Dec 01 11:08:54 It's always better when you know you're dreaming. Dec 01 11:09:00 Then you get to do whatever you want. ;) Dec 01 11:09:15 I never quite managed to influence the dreams properly Dec 01 11:09:26 but yeah, sometimes I know I'm dreaming. it's weird. Dec 01 11:09:53 It's only started happening to me within the past year. Dec 01 11:10:04 It's usually close to when I'm about to wake up. Dec 01 11:10:26 It clicks and it's like, "Oh, this is a dry" and go flying off somewhere or something. Dec 01 11:10:36 *dry = dream Dec 01 11:10:41 * GeneralAntilles should read what he types. Dec 01 11:10:44 :-) Dec 01 11:10:58 I really hate it when I wake up and can't levitate anymore. Dec 01 11:11:09 it's like "bleh, I just knew how to do that before, why doesn't it work, bleh" Dec 01 11:11:19 11:08 < czr> I really hate it when I wake up and can't levitate anymore. Dec 01 11:11:23 quote of the day Dec 01 11:11:26 Haha Dec 01 11:11:36 pupnik :-) Dec 01 11:12:30 Dreams, the ultimate escapism. Dec 01 11:13:02 * czr approves Dec 01 11:14:11 * GeneralAntilles wonders when the VR people are going to use that approach. Dec 01 11:14:47 I've often wondered whether the mechanism of dreaming would be sufficiently close enough between diff people in order to record and transfer dreams Dec 01 11:15:15 or whether memories are just a lump of highly personalized parameters which wouldn't make sense when interpreted out of the original context Dec 01 11:15:30 Probably the latter. Dec 01 11:15:42 some neural networks 'dream' when you turn off their inputs Dec 01 11:15:44 But the brain is a very adaptable tool. Dec 01 11:15:46 or probably both. some of the machinery is hard-wired anyway Dec 01 11:16:19 But, since we know next to shit about how the brain really dreams. Who knows? Dec 01 11:16:40 * czr shrugs Dec 01 11:17:12 I'd think the parameters for pain and pleasure (at least the low-level kind) would be pretty universal. anything more higher-level would depend on the context Dec 01 11:17:30 * czr starts to modify his N810 into a low-level memory transfer device Dec 01 11:17:43 adding stun-capabilities for the pain-part, hmmm.. Dec 01 11:18:18 agree with czr Dec 01 11:18:47 Translate memories into inputs. Dec 01 11:18:54 but it might be possible to do Neuromancer- style sensory inputs Dec 01 11:19:03 pupnik, probably. Dec 01 11:19:18 but recording and playing back memories would be restricted to personal use only Dec 01 11:19:23 although that'd be pretty cool too Dec 01 11:19:40 unless of course playing back the memories will reinforce some paths that you'd rather forget about. Dec 01 11:19:53 "no, not the memory of last night.. nooooo" Dec 01 11:20:00 i'd be happy with eyeglasses that could also have a heads-up display (laser, mirror), along with a pocketable device like the Nokia tablet Dec 01 11:20:12 then maybe a little chording keyboard on a belt loop, or in a pocket Dec 01 11:20:12 "lazers" Dec 01 11:20:53 I'd like to have a thought -> working code thingy. I don't care whether it's in the glasses or on the belt really. Dec 01 11:20:57 hahaha Dec 01 11:21:14 but you know, a N810 is pretty cool too Dec 01 11:21:27 * czr shrugs Dec 01 11:21:29 i just wish our societies would invest more money in cool tech and less in stupid stuff Dec 01 11:21:48 * czr agrees Dec 01 11:22:40 although I'd rather solve the unsustainability problem first Dec 01 11:25:36 huh, 'cool stuff' is responsible of about 90% of the stupid stuff Dec 01 11:29:38 no. stupid people are responsible of the stupid stuff Dec 01 11:29:51 Hehe Dec 01 11:29:52 Damn them! Dec 01 11:30:02 * GeneralAntilles gets to purging the gene pool. Dec 01 11:30:19 dpkg --purge libgpool Dec 01 11:30:41 oh, you meant that you wanted to purge _some_ of the pool? well. you should've said so :-) Dec 01 11:30:49 new weapon for parents to discourage their kids from drinking. replay the recordings when they're sober. :P Dec 01 11:31:05 Jiten_, it would work on older age as well :-) Dec 01 11:31:22 yeah, probably Dec 01 11:31:24 although it would be way cooler if the memories could be somehow transferred into a 3rd person perspective Dec 01 13:37:42 Hi Dec 01 13:37:48 I have a problem with my N800 Dec 01 13:37:53 ok Dec 01 13:38:02 It's not booting - stuck in a constant boot cycle Dec 01 13:38:10 I never see that blue progress bar Dec 01 13:38:21 Have you a Linux or Mac OS X box available? Dec 01 13:38:36 I thought maybe I could boot it in singleuser mode if I plugged in the USB, maybe there's a special trick for that Dec 01 13:38:43 Didn't work Dec 01 13:38:52 Jaffa: Yeah - this is an Ubuntu laptop Dec 01 13:39:08 You can disable the "lifeguard reset", that may do what you need. Dec 01 13:39:11 So now I'm downloading a firmware, with the intention of reflashing it :( Dec 01 13:39:23 Jaffa: How do I do that? Dec 01 13:39:45 The question was going to be where I should download 2007.4 or 2008 beta 1 Dec 01 13:39:45 dneary: with the command line flasher. Also, reflashing should fix it at the cost of data loss Dec 01 13:40:05 OK - I have the flasher. Let me see what the interface is... Dec 01 13:40:46 So it's --enable-rd-mode? Dec 01 13:41:34 Any chance I can disable the boot image & see what the problem is behind? It's likely to be a failing fsck or something... Dec 01 13:42:20 Not sure. Dec 01 13:42:32 ISTR there's a "--disable-lifeguard-reset" Dec 01 13:42:56 It might be a hidden option - it's not in the help for flasher-3.0 Dec 01 13:44:01 There's a --set-rd-flags Dec 01 13:44:10 Does anybody know how to check if hardware keyboard present on the device or not? I have an application which is impossible to use without keyboard and i need to check if it runs on N800 or N810. Dec 01 13:44:14 dneary: Ive installed 2008 beta 1 today and had no problems Dec 01 13:44:22 and its a big improvement over 2007 Dec 01 13:44:26 nicer too Dec 01 13:44:29 dneary: http://osdir.com/ml/handhelds.maemo.user/2006-08/msg00129.html Dec 01 13:48:13 OK, I'm in R&D mode, and have run " sudo ./flasher-3.0 --set-rd-flags 'no-lifeguard-reset'" Dec 01 13:48:23 It doesn't seem to work, still cycling a reboot Dec 01 13:49:10 OK - query-rd-mode does something when you're in r&d mode Dec 01 13:49:15 Green writing on the FB Dec 01 13:50:27 I could flash only nolo and the kernel... Dec 01 13:50:49 See if it's a kernel issue Dec 01 13:52:35 hi all. :) Dec 01 13:53:23 I just installed OS2008 - phew, this rocks. :) Dec 01 13:54:38 But when I try to install UKMP from the maemo-extras, it complains about a missing library: libbz2-1.0 can't be installed - any idea which repository I have to add also?! Dec 01 13:55:00 ed, there's a /apps/osso/inputmethod/have-internal-keyboard = false I see on N800 with the beta, and a /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached = false Dec 01 13:55:08 ed77 ^^ Dec 01 13:56:09 sp3000: Thanks. I'll check it out. Dec 01 13:56:46 don't know how they behave but they sound possibly useful Dec 01 13:57:10 # ls /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached Dec 01 13:57:10 nelson: /system/osso/af/keyboard-attached: No such file or directory Dec 01 13:57:27 :( Dec 01 13:59:08 sp3000: /sys/class/input/input0/name is much better :) Dec 01 13:59:50 on N800 it's retu-pwrbutton, on N810 - Internal keyboard Dec 01 14:00:33 But i'm still not sure if it always input0 or I should check for all input devices. Dec 01 14:02:31 sp3000: /sys/class/input/input2/name on N800 is also 'Internal keyboard' :( Dec 01 14:02:32 no ideas regarding the repositoy issue with Os2008 and UKMP?! Dec 01 14:03:05 Enabling the bora repos should probably solve it, tubit. Dec 01 14:03:21 ed77: gconf pathc, sorry :) Dec 01 14:03:25 paths even Dec 01 14:03:48 GeneralAntilles: i'll have to add it first I think. :) i'll try Dec 01 14:04:27 ed77: e.g. gconftool -R / for the whole tree Dec 01 14:05:33 GeneralAntilles: nope. no it complains about libreadline4 (>= 4.3-1) and libdbus 1-2 (>= 0.61) + libbz2-1.0 Dec 01 14:06:03 GeneralAntilles: have you tryed the installation of ukmp? Dec 01 14:06:40 tubit: libbz2 is in chinook repo. Dec 01 14:07:37 ed77: hmm, i believe. Dec 01 14:07:41 Can't remember all the additional software I installed :( Outside of an xterm, xchat, the photo app, tuxpaint... Dec 01 14:07:58 If anyone has recommendations for stuff that's really useful, I'm all ears :) Dec 01 14:08:11 ed77: i got http://repostory.maemo.org/extras / chinook / free non-free as a catalouge Dec 01 14:08:37 tubit: it's chinook extras. libbz2 is in chinook. Dec 01 14:09:01 o damn Dec 01 14:09:10 :-$ so blind Dec 01 14:11:19 :-D i just thought i have all repositories added no it works as expected Dec 01 14:12:55 <_berto_> dneary: http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2007 <-- useful stuff there :) Dec 01 14:14:48 sp3000: Thank you! gconftool shows that. Dec 01 14:18:52 Reflashed :( Dec 01 14:19:00 Back to 0 with my user config stuff Dec 01 14:20:16 hi all Dec 01 14:20:31 Sat Dec 1 14:18:27 UTC 2007 Dec 01 14:20:48 * pupnik refreshes Dec 01 14:23:43 l8ter & thanks to help a blind man see. :-) Dec 01 14:48:19 <[pablo]> is there a way to download maps for a given state in maemo mapper? Dec 01 14:49:14 Frame the state and download away. Dec 01 14:51:11 <[pablo]> can i specify zoom levels? i would like to not have to worry about having a network connection ideally Dec 01 14:51:49 Manage maps . . . Dec 01 14:51:55 It's in the menu. Dec 01 14:52:43 <[pablo]> yeah i've been in there, a bit confusing Dec 01 14:54:04 It's simple: download by area, and check the zoom levels you want. :) Dec 01 14:54:34 It'll pull the area from what you have framed in the view. Dec 01 14:55:20 <[pablo]> wow that's a lot of data Dec 01 14:55:57 Fewer zoom levels, then. Dec 01 14:57:04 <[pablo]> just one Dec 01 14:57:25 <[pablo]> one state at zoom level 4 is like 60 gigs Dec 01 14:57:47 zoom level 4 is tiny Dec 01 14:58:06 You shouldn't be doing much lower than 10 for a whole state. Dec 01 14:58:22 4 is barely a few city blocks. Dec 01 14:58:51 <[pablo]> even just my city at 4 is 3 gigs Dec 01 14:59:03 Yeah, like I said, 4 is way too low Dec 01 14:59:10 <[pablo]> 4 is what i would use when driving Dec 01 14:59:15 6 is a better bet for detail of local areas. Dec 01 14:59:22 Did you use 1.4? Dec 01 14:59:42 <[pablo]> 1.4 zoom level? Dec 01 14:59:49 No, version 1.4 of mm Dec 01 15:00:15 gnuite added a bunch of zoom levels to 2.0, so 1.4 4 is 9 in 2.0 Dec 01 15:00:22 <[pablo]> oh, no .. 2.2 i believe Dec 01 15:02:51 <[pablo]> 6 is far more reasonable in size Dec 01 15:03:32 <[pablo]> 4 just seemed more natural i guess Dec 01 15:03:42 <[pablo]> oh well Dec 01 15:05:44 <[pablo]> thank you =) Dec 01 15:17:36 can you use maemo mapper without GPS? Dec 01 15:23:16 hola Dec 01 15:39:48 hey, alterego! remember talk about run levels on system V? the correct command is "who -r" Dec 01 15:55:32 fysa: at least you can use the "Map" in os2008 without gps.. Dec 01 16:05:15 anyone have plans to build pwsafe for os2008? Dec 01 16:09:23 * pupnik ponders xrandr and xsp Dec 01 16:17:07 kulve: I installed os2008 this morning and "Maps" refuse to start because it cant find the memory card Dec 01 16:17:21 it's stupid Dec 01 16:17:27 do I need to download some maps or what? Dec 01 16:17:47 btw, OS2008 is much better Dec 01 16:17:48 it says also "downloading maps failed" if there's not enough space on the mmc Dec 01 16:17:57 and it also seems to be able to use only the internal card Dec 01 16:18:08 oh, I see Dec 01 16:18:18 do you have memory card in fstab? Dec 01 16:18:23 so I need to have the internal card to use maps Dec 01 16:18:31 your right thats stupid Dec 01 16:18:32 hugolp: yes (afaik) Dec 01 16:18:47 (maybe a link would do also..) Dec 01 16:18:51 but now I'm off Dec 01 16:19:08 and anyone know how to jump in LXDoom? Dec 01 16:19:09 XD Dec 01 16:19:16 does app use hard coded target place to save maps? Dec 01 16:21:45 hugolp, there is no jump in Doom Dec 01 16:22:52 xan: then how do you get out of the first screen? Dec 01 16:23:21 through the door? Dec 01 16:23:49 the door thats behind you on the start? Dec 01 16:24:10 so how do I open doors? cause what Ive tried didnt work Dec 01 16:24:43 * halley wonders if this is a job for google. Dec 01 16:26:14 hugolp, I'm fairly sure there's plenty of Doom walkthroughs if you look for them ;) Dec 01 16:26:41 found it :-P Dec 01 16:26:41 hi there Dec 01 16:26:44 anyone have Dec 01 16:26:51 didnt saw it this morning Dec 01 16:26:53 :-P Dec 01 16:26:54 anyone have Dec 01 16:26:56 damn Dec 01 16:27:03 No. Dec 01 16:27:04 RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.44-4_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Dec 01 16:27:05 so :) Dec 01 16:27:07 I gave all my damns. Dec 01 16:27:14 the nokia server is so slow Dec 01 16:27:24 shaped Dec 01 16:27:29 There's probably a torrent if you search for it. Dec 01 16:27:37 this is not faster Dec 01 16:32:26 anyone seen subversion port for os2008 ? Dec 01 16:35:15 I would not expect a standard POSIX non-X11 utility to require a port, as such Dec 01 16:39:11 elb: I tried installing os2007 deb - failed. rebuilding is a bit too much hassle for a moment. especially if there is a chance to find someone who already built that popular tool Dec 01 16:46:40 oh, just a package Dec 01 16:52:24 mmm i have rebuild the findutils for os2007, but they conflicts with the busybox findutils :-\ Dec 01 16:56:18 anyone using maemo mapper on hacker edition? Dec 01 16:56:55 maemo mapper 2.x won't connect to either of my gps units Dec 01 17:02:24 http://www.nokia.de/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_243261 hahaha nokia.de advertising the 770 for 349 euro :) Dec 01 17:03:01 $524 dollars Dec 01 17:03:32 sounds about right Dec 01 17:03:41 ;p Dec 01 17:07:53 anyone use libconic or dbus with ruby-maemo? Dec 01 17:10:46 http://www.internettablettalk.com/tablet101/2007/11/08/the-nokia-n810-walkthrough/ /me watches... again Dec 01 17:16:29 anyone managed to download the maps with os2008 ? Dec 01 17:16:52 it ivariably fails here after a couple of minutes Dec 01 17:18:18 make sure you have plenty of free space Dec 01 17:18:32 i think the download might require 2x the map size free Dec 01 17:22:21 mm, I have 500+ Mb free, maps are 231Mb Dec 01 17:23:28 pupnik: 'maps' uses the internal card, right? Dec 01 17:27:18 anyone have ported mc (midnight commander) to os2007 ? Dec 01 17:31:41 heh I didn't realize the 810 was quite *that* tiny Dec 01 17:32:45 Anyone know of a way to check the abi used by a piece of code? Dec 01 17:33:38 working on Ogl? Dec 01 17:33:43 yep Dec 01 17:33:54 getting rather confused by a certain function cal Dec 01 17:33:55 call Dec 01 17:34:15 wondering if the code is actually eabi rather than oabi that I'd assumed from the libc age Dec 01 17:34:39 lardman: file(1) sometimes says. Perhaps objdump or something else from binutils? Dec 01 17:34:45 by abi, do you mean calling convention? Dec 01 17:34:58 if so, it's probably marked in some fashion in the ELF headers Dec 01 17:35:01 elb: yes Dec 01 17:35:14 I'll have to do some more looking at those Dec 01 17:35:35 if it's not, you can probably figure it out by dumping a few small functions and looking to see how they treat arguments/etc. Dec 01 17:35:45 (particularly if there are only a couple of possibilities) Dec 01 17:35:51 elfutils may help you Dec 01 17:36:12 (I assume the maemo stuff is actually ELF) Dec 01 17:36:13 hmm, looks like long longs are handled differently, but not sure about int/longs Dec 01 17:36:20 http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/1/12/175 Dec 01 17:37:01 looking at create_proc_entry(), which should take 3 inputs, they don't seem to line up Dec 01 17:37:14 elb: it is ELF Dec 01 17:37:52 is the gcc compiler crafty enough to ldr a value which is actually an instruction? Dec 01 17:38:04 assuming the value is a constant Dec 01 17:41:05 e.g. LDR R1, =loc_xxxx, where loc_xxxx is actually a jump label Dec 01 17:42:12 hmm, thought that should actually load the address. Hmm, have to find my asm book Dec 01 17:46:52 Hi! Dec 01 17:46:53 hi Dec 01 17:46:54 is maemo garage down? Dec 01 17:48:25 maemo garage seems down.. Dec 01 17:48:25 :( Dec 01 17:48:36 i can't commit my work on SVN! :( DAMN! Dec 01 17:51:34 Ping 62.61.85.38 Dec 01 17:51:34 [www.maemo.org] Dec 01 17:51:34 Timed out Dec 01 17:51:49 !repositories? Dec 01 17:52:06 !date Dec 01 17:52:12 hmm no bot action at all now Dec 01 17:52:16 Good. Dec 01 17:52:19 Bots suck. Dec 01 17:52:44 Hi :) Dec 01 17:53:04 Hi rip__! Dec 01 17:53:13 does any one know if its possible to pass commands for making files in Mud ? aside from the Default make make install Dec 01 17:53:20 for makefiles* Dec 01 17:56:53 EG. im trying to just build the plugins for OLSRd from the tarball which requires instead of , make && make install to be say - make libs && make install-libs Dec 01 17:58:19 is that where the "…" comes into the package.xml ? Dec 01 17:58:32 just questions if no know thats thats fine :D Dec 01 18:15:44 what happened to svn indeed? Dec 01 18:16:17 hi Dec 01 18:16:36 Got a problem with my N800 @ IT OS2008 Dec 01 18:16:42 I cant login anywhere Dec 01 18:17:33 skype,htaccess, normal password protected forums Dec 01 18:17:41 Doesnt work :( Dec 01 18:18:26 switch off Caps lock! :P Dec 01 18:19:22 Caps Lock and the shift team are at home Dec 01 18:23:21 mmh Dec 01 18:24:12 Seems to work if i use my bt keyboard Dec 01 18:25:24 <|R> Ar-ras : how is the typing any different with the onscreen keyboard? you use the small one? when you type a pass all the letter are correct before being masked (*) ? Dec 01 18:26:19 |R: there's a bug Dec 01 18:26:32 <|R> sp3000 : oh? :| Dec 01 18:26:46 yeah, you actually get *s :) Dec 01 18:27:14 bug 2263 Dec 01 18:27:42 <|R> haha Dec 01 18:27:58 <|R> that's good... :P Dec 01 18:28:53 <|R> how is this a low priority? :P Dec 01 18:28:58 <|R> sounds critical to me ... Dec 01 18:29:01 <|R> but anyway :) Dec 01 18:30:41 meh, just imagine disused fields don't exist :) Dec 01 18:31:22 yeah, Pidgin users get all worked up over our priority field, too Dec 01 18:31:39 of course, every user thinks *their* bug should be highest priority, which is why we don't use that field ;-) Dec 01 18:32:37 <|R> hehe Dec 01 18:32:42 <|R> but that's a core system issue... Dec 01 18:33:05 <|R> just replace low,medium, etc... by extas software, useful software, system software, core software.. Dec 01 18:33:06 <|R> :P Dec 01 18:34:05 stage.maemo.org still exist ? Dec 01 18:34:12 i can't connect it ... Dec 01 18:34:29 (http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HildonDesktopPortability) Dec 01 18:42:30 khertan: what do you need? Dec 01 18:42:43 khertan: were you the pymaemo consumer? Dec 01 18:43:05 did you get my note that python-hildon won't install :) Dec 01 18:43:32 so it is not only my problem? Dec 01 18:47:20 GeneralAntilles: gecko likes to steal focus, but microb seems to be even more often Dec 01 18:47:30 believe me, it's annoying, if i can figure out how to make it stop, i will Dec 01 18:49:33 kaltsi: advertise http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/ instead Dec 01 18:49:43 it's much better for browsing the repository :) Dec 01 18:51:16 czr: i cheated, svn up -N let me get README Dec 01 18:51:25 czr: actually, the maemo-all repository ran me out of quota space Dec 01 18:51:38 so some portions of maemo-all are svn switched to a virtually empty directory Dec 01 18:52:13 * timelyx wonders if someone killed _monkey Dec 01 18:53:52 * timelyx reads the obituary Dec 01 18:53:58 <|R> yep Dec 01 18:54:16 <|R> but .... who... with what instrument... and in which room? taaad daaaaa! Dec 01 18:55:35 How much space does a scratchbox installation + chinook development environment without debug packages take? Dec 01 18:57:24 timelyx, any problem with python-hildon? Dec 01 18:57:37 evening all Dec 01 18:59:01 <|R> du -scm /scratchbox/ -> 1937 MB Dec 01 19:00:09 Ouch Dec 01 19:00:17 Mine was 6GB the other day... ;) Dec 01 19:02:04 ds3: fwiw it's 770|n8[10]0 Dec 01 19:03:15 if you've run a scratchbox, you'll want to use -x on that du Dec 01 19:03:28 because /proc et al. can show up as quite large under some circumstances Dec 01 19:03:49 (that said, my scratchbox is also about 1.7GB for chinook x86 + arm) Dec 01 19:04:07 hmmm my du seems to be smart enough to know that /proc has no size Dec 01 19:04:26 /dev does confuse it, still Dec 01 19:04:42 acydlord: how do you propose to test a program? Dec 01 19:04:58 i'll give you a "simple" example, ;-). suppose i want to upload "microb" or "minefield" Dec 01 19:05:02 how do you "test" it? :) Dec 01 19:17:41 i've been searching around for ways to boot the n800 in runlevel 3, anyone know how to do this? i've looked at inittab but no clues, can someone help? Dec 01 19:18:28 mgb: why do you need runlevel 3 ? Dec 01 19:19:36 i have no use for any graphical display, just want to boot to terminal - kismet development and i want to see if any power savings in a lower runlevel Dec 01 19:20:29 n800 does not have framebuffer console Dec 01 19:21:21 moreover, 'runlevel 3' for non-X boot is a RedHat way Dec 01 19:21:33 timelyx: i try to get Dec 01 19:21:33 n800 has debian based system Dec 01 19:21:48 timelyx: i try to get the current python binding for hildon-desktop Dec 01 19:22:07 the current svn developpment version Dec 01 19:22:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Debian_Linux Dec 01 19:22:13 so is runlevel 2 what i'm after - is it actually possible Dec 01 19:22:25 i ll come back in ten minute Dec 01 19:23:07 debian also uses runlevel 3 for console Dec 01 19:23:52 khertan, https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/python-hildondesktop/ Dec 01 19:23:53 trenka> n800 does not have framebuffer console Dec 01 19:24:22 so no 'runlevel 2' or 3 possible afaik Dec 01 19:25:07 zerojay: google browser sync handles bookmarks :) Dec 01 19:30:27 lmoura: it was down 10minutes before ... Dec 01 19:30:28 thanks Dec 01 19:30:39 np Dec 01 19:35:18 good point, there are no N710 or N700's ;) Dec 01 19:35:21 thanks for the help Dec 01 19:35:32 can you buy n810 in the UK yet? Dec 01 19:37:54 lmoura: it requires some version of hildonlibs i don't have Dec 01 19:38:40 mgb: you'll need to disable the lifeguard, flasher is probably your friend Dec 01 19:39:26 timelyx, what version? (Are you using bora/chinook/another one?) Dec 01 19:39:38 ds3: it's Nokia 770, not Nokia N770 :( Dec 01 19:39:50 lmoura: an old 2006 :) Dec 01 19:40:22 2.2006.39-14 :) Dec 01 19:46:31 can anyone here log into maemo.org? Dec 01 19:46:47 i can't Dec 01 19:47:31 pfffff i can't compile nothing that require python on the vmware sdk .... ! And python2.5 is installed ! Dec 01 19:48:03 khertan, check if python2.5-dev is installed Dec 01 19:48:09 timelyx: i can't log into maemo.org ... since 3 or 5 hours Dec 01 19:49:12 try again now, i just got in Dec 01 19:49:33 lmoura: can you get me a version of python2.5-hildon that'll work on my 770? :) Dec 01 19:49:40 lmoura: python Dec 01 19:49:53 lmoura: python2.5-dev is installed ... Dec 01 19:50:18 but ./configure claim that no suitable python interpreter founf Dec 01 19:51:05 timelyx: now i can log in ;) Dec 01 19:51:06 khertan, try PYTHON=python2.5 ./configure.... Dec 01 19:51:30 timelyx, I don't have the 2.2 SDK installed here Dec 01 19:54:54 python check passed now but i get many sem_post : Function not implemented and then checking for PYGOBJECT Package requirements were not met Dec 01 19:55:43 so i think i ll wait 5 or 6 months before a binding for python-hildondesktop would be available. Dec 01 20:06:45 khertan, that's a problem with qemu Dec 01 20:08:07 http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html Dec 01 20:09:26 lmoura: it s so borring to use the sdk ... i ll return to my python dev ... and waiting that the hildondesktop binding is available Dec 01 20:09:36 but thanks for your help Dec 01 20:16:40 timelyx: did not know the 'N' notation only applies to the newer ones Dec 01 20:26:41 morning timelyx Dec 01 20:26:55 the max_entries tip in http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/9/ won't do a thing :) Dec 01 20:27:36 (with that link anyway) Dec 01 20:28:40 http://bonsai.mozilla.org/cvsblame.cgi?file=/mozilla/docshell/shistory/src/nsSHistory.cpp#223 Dec 01 20:30:11 oh brother Dec 01 20:30:32 apparently that had ui once and people set it to silly values Dec 01 20:30:53 you mean like the geniuses we have ? :) Dec 01 20:31:09 or some ns7-age release caused it to be set to silly values when users installed random software on top of other random software Dec 01 20:33:06 * timelyx goes fishing through a spam folder Dec 01 20:33:12 of 1000 messages, i've found 1 that i needed Dec 01 20:44:22 anyone has tried the FM Radio desktop applet from OS2007 on OS2008 (N800)? Dec 01 20:45:04 never mind Dec 01 20:45:39 is there any way to play the N800 fm radio on OS2008? Dec 01 20:47:57 duno Dec 01 20:48:18 there's a python script floating around Dec 01 20:48:27 i'd try it if i cared Dec 01 20:51:50 timelyx: where about is floating around? Dec 01 20:54:17 try a bug complaining that the kernel doesn't support japanese radio ranges Dec 01 20:55:33 yeah right Dec 01 20:56:57 http://pycage.blogspot.com/2007/11/n800s-fm-radio-now-works-in-japan.html Dec 01 20:57:35 hi all, just got my n800, am *nix savvy. can i ask some newbie questions here? Dec 01 20:57:38 there's a link to http://pyfmradio.garage.maemo.org/, which says "pyFMRadio is a pure Python module for controlling the tea5761 FM tuner chip on the Nokia N800 internet tablet. The other internet tablets Nokia 770 and Nokia N810 don't have a FM tuner chip." Dec 01 20:57:58 it wasnt a joke? Dec 01 20:58:05 hpg101: don't ask if you can ask, just ask and hope somebody answers.. Dec 01 20:58:10 hugolp: no Dec 01 20:58:25 haha, though timelyx was joking about the japanese radio ranges... Dec 01 20:58:31 thanks Dec 01 21:00:33 Does that mean that there will not be an fmradio release for 2008? Dec 01 21:00:45 * K`zan eagerly awaiting that :-) Dec 01 21:01:06 so i connect my n800 to my ibook via ucb, move a file onto the "noname" device, but can't then find it on the n800 with find in xterm. any idea where in the n800 file system the file went? Dec 01 21:01:28 hpg101: /media/mmc1 (or mmc2) Dec 01 21:01:48 they are both shown to linux. Dunno which one ibook mounts by default.. Dec 01 21:02:18 hpg101: and that's not mounted in the n800 when the usb is connected Dec 01 21:02:31 so, the mmcX is shown in one computer at a time.. Dec 01 21:04:03 mmc2 -- i thought i checked there, thanx Dec 01 21:06:39 i want to make my n800 as *nix-y as possible. is the advice to wait for os2008 official before loading up apps? Dec 01 21:07:27 what does *nix-y mean? Dec 01 21:07:45 linux, unix, etc Dec 01 21:08:04 yes, but what does it mean? Dec 01 21:12:53 hi! Dec 01 21:12:57 right. in addition to the maemo apps, i want to be able to drop back into a linux frame of mind. like i need a scripting language. my pref is perl. need text editor for such; prefer emacs. does that help Dec 01 21:14:09 i've got ssh so i can reach my university linux boxes when needed Dec 01 21:17:53 and if i got it right, maemo is the cross-platform development system, but does also refer to the n800 window manager as maemo? Dec 01 21:18:59 We Got Snow! Dec 01 21:19:04 hi guys ... Dec 01 21:19:16 Rare here :). Dec 01 21:19:25 where i can found osso-bookmark-menu ?? Dec 01 21:19:50 i need it for mozilla browser Dec 01 21:20:33 but, i don't found it :/ Dec 01 21:21:05 no idea? Dec 01 21:21:58 is there a way to get control chars in xterm? Dec 01 21:22:31 yes - under menu->terminal Dec 01 21:24:01 thanx pupnik; a bit long-winded, but works Dec 01 21:24:33 to make your n800 more unix-y i recommend a bluetooth keyboard Dec 01 21:25:15 pupnik, to make an n800 more unix-y, just ssh into the thing ;) Dec 01 21:26:39 pulling the 770 + keyboard out at my local bar always gets a conversation started Dec 01 21:27:38 pupnik: Which keyboard did you get? Dec 01 21:27:47 thinkoutside stowaway Dec 01 21:28:02 Thanks! Probably what I will get eventually. Dec 01 21:28:37 nokia's looks pretty nice too - wish i could have tried a few Dec 01 21:28:53 yes. just ordered the iGo Stowaway; hope it works Dec 01 21:30:28 $60 from amazon :) Dec 01 21:30:44 cheap Dec 01 21:33:13 Wow, FAT snowflakes, lovely :-)... Dec 01 21:33:28 Just floating around out there :) Dec 01 21:33:51 Something we don't see in seattle often. Dec 01 21:34:47 LOTS of fat flakes :). Dec 01 21:39:35 is there any way for the clock to put up a live time icon in perhaps the application switcher area Dec 01 21:40:29 it would b nice to replace "return to home" with the time Dec 01 21:40:40 cause i think we all know what homes does in the switcher Dec 01 21:41:17 anybody using python2.5 and gnome module for os2008 ? Dec 01 21:42:17 i have python2.5-gnome installed, but 'from gnome import gconf' fails with a "no module named gnome" Dec 01 21:42:23 this works on os2007 Dec 01 21:43:53 and while we are in python... what do I have to install on scratchbox to get pygtk working? Dec 01 21:44:10 e-squizo: be sure you ahve the extra-repository set Dec 01 21:44:18 then apt-get install python2.5-runtime Dec 01 21:44:23 this should install all you need Dec 01 21:44:57 hi melmoth Dec 01 21:45:02 kikoooo Dec 01 21:45:35 melmoth, there was some problems with the gnome package, missing some __init__.py files Dec 01 21:45:54 it was long time, without seen you Dec 01 21:46:10 indeed. Dec 01 21:46:54 melmoth: thanks! Dec 01 21:47:23 melmoth, touch /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gnome/__init__.py Dec 01 21:47:26 melmoth: welcome back :) Dec 01 21:47:33 * pupnik refreshes Dec 01 21:48:03 lmoura: works ! thanks Dec 01 21:52:04 What are the Nokia EUSA binaries? Dec 01 21:56:12 in the standard browser, tap and hold on a google map scrolls the window. how do i tell my n800 to scroll the map Dec 01 21:57:05 Use the arrows displayed in the map. Dec 01 22:00:32 soothsayer: Application Manager etc. IIRC Dec 01 22:02:05 Jaffa: The EUSA is a non-free software license right? Dec 01 22:02:11 or more generally, how does one do drag and drop on a web page. lots of javascript-enhanced pages use it Dec 01 22:02:30 soothsayer: I'd guess so, but App Manager is open source, so I'm not sre. Dec 01 22:02:49 hpg101: They do? Dec 01 22:03:10 Jaffa: Well, source available != free software. Anyway, thanks. Dec 01 22:03:50 soothsayer: indeed, but http://hildon-app-mgr.garage.maemo.org is proper FLOSS, AIUI Dec 01 22:05:41 |I expected getting Python to run to be simpler... "ImportError: No module named distutils.core" Dec 01 22:05:59 indeed, I see no python2.5-dev package Dec 01 22:06:04 e-squizo, did you installed python-dev? :) Dec 01 22:06:15 e-squizo, where? Dec 01 22:06:45 lmoura: dpkg -l python* shows a python2.3-dev Dec 01 22:06:52 which is installed Dec 01 22:07:08 but no python-dev nor python2.5-dev Dec 01 22:07:20 e-squizo: os2007 or os2008 ? Dec 01 22:07:31 i think i have it on both here Dec 01 22:07:42 melmoth: OS2007, scracthbox Dec 01 22:08:09 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free Dec 01 22:08:09 deb file:/home/fheinz/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_3.1 bora explicit Dec 01 22:08:09 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ bora free Dec 01 22:08:19 melmoth: there is a way to upgrade to 2008 without flash firmware (it's so annoying me reinstall my apps & conf) ? Dec 01 22:08:24 it exist here...ython2.5-dev 2.5.1-1osso3 Header files and a static library for Python Dec 01 22:08:48 sbz: i do not know, right now, i only have os2008 in scratchbox Dec 01 22:09:07 sbz: No. Dec 01 22:09:09 melmoth: I semm to be missing something in my sources.list then! Dec 01 22:09:17 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras bora free non-free Dec 01 22:09:30 e-squizo: strange, does it mean its in the "non-free" section ???? Dec 01 22:09:33 zerojay: well, lots may be a bit high, but with ajax and javascript libraries supporting d+d, the future is for much more d+d Dec 01 22:09:49 melmoth: lemme see Dec 01 22:09:49 I doubt it, honestly. Dec 01 22:10:07 okay, it was a interesting to realize a upgrade without flash, i need to investigate more Dec 01 22:10:39 sbz: The next major revision of the firmware will allow it... Diablo. Dec 01 22:11:25 at least the files are there, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/bora/free/p/python2.5/ Dec 01 22:11:45 whatever... so no d+d in browser? Dec 01 22:13:17 melmoth: no: it's there... it just doesn't show in dpkg's list (which is even more strange) Dec 01 22:14:42 e-squizo: apt-get update ? Dec 01 22:17:16 melmoth: ok, I DO ask stupid questions, but give me some credit, OK? :-) Dec 01 22:23:32 hpg101: sounds like you're not using a beta (browser, or release) :) Dec 01 22:23:41 s/release/itos/ Dec 01 22:23:42 sp3000 meant: hpg101: sounds like you're not using a beta (browser, or itos) :) Dec 01 22:23:59 hpg101: there's a statusbar clock applet Dec 01 22:24:53 (the former re the dnd) Dec 01 22:26:50 zerojay: ok Dec 01 22:28:34 * sp3000 wonders /where/ the statusbar clock applet is Dec 01 22:28:53 (besides a garage project) Dec 01 22:34:27 statusbar controller for mp3/ogg playback would be neat too Dec 01 22:34:33 but there's not much room for new icons Dec 01 22:35:46 heh, os2008 hildon-desktop doesn't much like the os2007 statusbarclock applet Dec 01 22:36:58 -14 to os2008 release (non beta) ! ;) Dec 01 22:37:12 There isn't a non-beta available yet. Dec 01 22:37:36 there is only a beta for now (N800) Dec 01 22:38:08 but i've read that a no-beta will be released in mid jan.... Dec 01 22:38:15 December. Dec 01 22:38:22 *mistake Dec 01 22:38:26 mean dic. Dec 01 22:38:50 yeah zerojay, you're a m... Dec 01 22:39:00 * sp3000 giggles Dec 01 22:39:05 sp3000: I'm a what? :) Dec 01 22:39:24 he said it not me! Dec 01 22:39:34 pfffffft Dec 01 22:39:54 :P Dec 01 22:42:55 hey all Dec 01 22:43:06 hello Dec 01 22:43:06 where can I get ssh for os2008? Dec 01 22:43:20 In the extras repository, I'm pretty sure. Dec 01 22:43:31 hmm.... Dec 01 22:43:49 how do i enable extras again....did it once like 6 months ago, can't remember now Dec 01 22:44:00 it's not at garage? Dec 01 22:44:16 can't find it Dec 01 22:44:20 not under os2008 Dec 01 22:44:21 It's already on your tablet. Just open the application manager, go to your repository list and you'll see it's disabled. Edit it, uncheck the disabled box and there you go. Dec 01 22:44:42 * sp3000 <3 the double negative ui Dec 01 22:45:06 thanks Dec 01 22:45:10 nn all Dec 01 22:45:41 You ain't got no double negative nowheres Dec 01 22:46:15 You ain't never seen double negatives 'round these here parts, never. Dec 01 22:46:42 Can you use double negatives in programming? Dec 01 22:46:49 like.. if !!variable...? Dec 01 22:46:57 man isn't the n800 not the worst thin client? Dec 01 22:55:32 E_TOO_MANY_NEGATIVES Dec 01 22:55:34 * doc|home explodes Dec 01 22:57:41 heh Dec 01 22:57:58 doc|home: are there any apps (medical?) you'd want to see on the N800? Dec 01 22:58:45 man, I haven't seen a doctor in about 7 years, no less looked at a medical app Dec 01 23:03:23 ok i got your profession mixed up with another RP supporter Dec 01 23:03:53 pupnik: ? Dec 01 23:04:01 hah Dec 01 23:04:16 Ron Paul! Dec 01 23:04:45 pupnik: Last time I checked I wasn't Ron Paul :) Dec 01 23:06:05 Nokia is amazing Dec 01 23:06:09 they can make time slow down Dec 01 23:07:39 how? Dec 01 23:08:09 i thought only apple could distort time ;) Dec 01 23:08:29 No, they distort users. Dec 01 23:08:38 waiting for N810 of course Dec 01 23:08:51 pupnik: No kidding. I'm going insane, dude. Dec 01 23:12:23 oh yeah Dec 01 23:12:44 waiting for your gear to arrive tends to drive one crazy Dec 01 23:23:56 i used to be a fairly reasonable linux user, now i actually own a macbook and an iphone...i don't know what when wrong with my life Dec 01 23:24:50 how do you like your macbook + iphone? Dec 01 23:24:57 you got old Dec 01 23:25:08 i have to admit some envy towards the iphone interface Dec 01 23:25:25 I can't because I've got none. Dec 01 23:25:37 When I see the iphone interface, I see nothing but wasted cycles. Dec 01 23:25:40 Certainly can't deny its appeal as a phone. Dec 01 23:26:00 does the iphone have better video playback too? Dec 01 23:26:01 Until you use it. Dec 01 23:26:06 It's not a very good phone. Dec 01 23:26:11 I HAVE used it. Dec 01 23:26:21 i think it's a bit big for a phone really.. Dec 01 23:26:27 i do like my macbook and i do like my iphone, although i also hate my iphone, because it's got no 3rd party apps Dec 01 23:26:29 Than the NITs? Seems like it, l7. Dec 01 23:26:34 All the effects and stuff just get in the way. Dec 01 23:26:54 GeneralAntilles: i don't consider the NIT a phone Dec 01 23:27:03 It isn't a phone Dec 01 23:27:08 it's a laptop replacement for me Dec 01 23:27:10 You were asking about the video Dec 01 23:27:15 I don't either, but I do use it as one. Dec 01 23:27:21 Yes, the iPhone has better video playback Dec 01 23:27:49 Only if your video is in their format. Dec 01 23:28:14 The same applies to the NITs. ;) Dec 01 23:28:36 The NITs don't have a proprietary format. Dec 01 23:28:46 i remember the Jobs saying you could drag their fullsize .mov files onto the ipod for playback w/o conversion Dec 01 23:28:57 To an extent. Dec 01 23:29:09 It certainly wont play back .movs out of iMovie HD. ;) Dec 01 23:29:29 weird Dec 01 23:29:33 why is that? Dec 01 23:29:41 Doesn't have the power. Dec 01 23:29:46 Because they're 1080p and absolutely massive? Dec 01 23:30:40 oh Dec 01 23:31:04 it handles 720p files iirc Dec 01 23:32:10 any gcc asm gurus here Dec 01 23:32:19 compiler gurus probably Dec 01 23:36:25 well that's stopped everyone hasn't it Dec 01 23:36:32 ignore my question, carry on ;) Dec 01 23:36:44 200 people are blankly staring at their screens right now because of you. Dec 01 23:36:52 2001 Dec 01 23:36:56 201 even Dec 01 23:38:00 * lardman goes back to wondering why/how GCC enters some functions half-way through Dec 01 23:38:05 well we know who has some asm knowings Dec 01 23:38:19 there's always the fall back of magic Dec 01 23:38:25 * guru3 fades into the background Dec 01 23:38:33 i prefer voodoo... Dec 01 23:38:40 voodoo is magic. Dec 01 23:39:07 if I had a pvr.ko dummy I'd be stabbing it right now Dec 01 23:39:29 * guru3 goes to install the new AP Dec 01 23:39:35 Why doesn't Nokia just release us from our suffering and make that damn thing work already? :( Dec 01 23:39:53 probably a licensing fee or something like that Dec 01 23:39:53 lack of resources maybe Dec 01 23:39:55 i can't believe i'm doing this... i'm in a shared house. a seperate ap for me from the flat mates. mine 54g, theirs 11b Dec 01 23:40:15 * guru3 fades for real this time Dec 01 23:40:41 both the kernel module and the opengl implementation are probably closed source, so they'd have to pay someone to update them all the time...? Dec 01 23:41:12 Seems like the value-added would be worth it. Dec 01 23:41:27 * lardman thinks so Dec 01 23:43:14 <|R> http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/clips/how-to-eavesdrop-on-bluetooth-headsets-328664.php Dec 01 23:43:20 <|R> 770 involved :P Dec 01 23:43:50 timelyx: There's no available API or source code for Google Sync. Dec 01 23:44:27 |R: I thought only one device could connect at a time Dec 01 23:44:46 |R: Or is this just to connect to a headset and send sounds to it? Dec 01 23:45:02 hm, anyone been messing around with host mode usb on the 810 yet? I notice the sysfs-controlled host stuff works on the 800 now, but the same commands on the 810 don't seem to actually switch the mode Dec 01 23:45:10 <|R> i think it's just generic mayhem record / play at a starbucks ;) Dec 01 23:45:15 ah yes, I was thinking it was talking about eavesdropping on a conversation over a bt headset Dec 01 23:45:53 I saw something about that - getting peoples' cars to talk to them :) Dec 01 23:46:17 |R: lardman but do you think that bideo is true? Dec 01 23:46:26 bluetooth is easily hackeable Dec 01 23:46:27 <|R> is there a key exchange over the PIN of 0000 so only one device works at a time ? Dec 01 23:46:30 but that easy? Dec 01 23:46:32 Yes, it's true. BT is broken. Dec 01 23:46:39 hugolp: I didn't watch it, but there was some proof of concept code about, I think it works Dec 01 23:47:03 If you're talking about Josh's video, yes. Dec 01 23:47:05 zerojay: but how does that guy knows the MAC address of the BT headset without the headset in discoverable mode Dec 01 23:47:19 sit and wait for a headset profile to turn up, try sending some common codes, get a connection, send random sounds, etc. Dec 01 23:47:42 <|R> http://trifinite.org/trifinite_stuff_carwhisperer.html Dec 01 23:47:44 <|R> gotta go :) Dec 01 23:47:58 |R: That's the one, thanks Dec 01 23:48:17 hugolp: you can scan can't you, and the headset will reply so you know that MAC is in range Dec 01 23:51:01 lardman what I know about bluetooth is that if its not in discoverable mode it will only answer to messages that are sent to its specific MAC address. By scanning you mean sending a message to every posible MAC address? thats a lot of posibilities Dec 01 23:51:06 wow Dec 01 23:51:07 that gizmodo video is really choppy on IT2007 : Dec 01 23:51:13 "Through Cyber Monday, two of the top three best-selling notebook PCs were technically not notebooks at all: at No. 1 was Nokia's N800 Internet Tablet PC, and at No. 3, Nokia's N810 Portable Internet tablet." Dec 01 23:51:20 http://www.news.com/2300-1041_3-6220161-7.html?tag=ne.gall.pg Dec 01 23:51:25 wow Dec 01 23:51:45 n800 sold out at buy.com for a while Dec 01 23:51:53 it was such a bargain there Dec 01 23:52:01 this is great news :) Dec 01 23:52:14 bigger userbase =) Dec 01 23:52:26 it'cause by the arrival of the n810 Dec 01 23:52:30 hugolp: yes, I thought I saw something about doing that Dec 01 23:52:43 it was a good move by nokia i guess Dec 01 23:52:45 hugolp: at least a demonstration that it's possible, etc. Dec 01 23:53:04 i wonder how much nokia is making from selling n800s though Dec 01 23:53:33 considering they slashes the price in half Dec 01 23:54:03 buy.com slashes the price Dec 01 23:54:08 but who knows what wholesale is Dec 01 23:54:54 lardman Im not saying at all that bluetooth is safe. But I dont know if a normal bluetooth dongle can send and handle that many messages. Dec 01 23:55:09 Plus, Nokia's manufacturing costs will have dropped significantly since January. Dec 01 23:55:52 I like how they describe it as the "tablet PC" market, pupnik. :\ Dec 01 23:56:12 lardman but bluetooth is shit, I agree with you on that. I read about a demo that some guys did, that they broke the bluetooth of someones computer from 500m away without knowing the code Dec 01 23:57:00 hugolp: I don't know Dec 01 23:57:26 hugolp: all sounds interesting, but I don;'t know much about it Dec 01 23:58:44 does the alarm clock work when the device is off ? Dec 01 23:59:07 back in the old days when i wanted to play hijinks on someone's terminal, i had to wait for them to get up from their terminal to get a printout, then quickly set their tty to o+rw Dec 01 23:59:53 they cat ansi animations (star trek) to their terminal Dec 01 23:59:56 good times Dec 01 23:59:59 *then Dec 02 00:00:15 shacka1, yes. Dec 02 00:00:44 GeneralAntilles: awesome :D Dec 02 00:03:04 gcc passes parameters in registers doesn't it for ARM? Dec 02 00:04:17 lardman, yes afaik, the first four parameters at least, the rest goes on the stack Dec 02 00:04:40 anyone here got maemomythtv working? Dec 02 00:04:44 hmm, /me is confused Dec 02 00:05:02 lardman, notice the "afaik" :) Dec 02 00:05:10 lardman, why ? Dec 02 00:05:15 shacka1: well that's what I thought too Dec 02 00:05:34 but? Dec 02 00:06:15 shacka1: create_proc_entry() should take 3 params: const char *name, mode_t mode,struct proc_dir_entry *parent Dec 02 00:07:06 but, R0=pointer to name, R1=pointer to label in different function (ie. to code as in a goto) and R2=short int value Dec 02 00:07:12 ah, you're reversing the driver? Dec 02 00:07:20 who, me, no, never Dec 02 00:07:24 :) Dec 02 00:07:28 oops Dec 02 00:07:30 anyway.. Dec 02 00:07:51 weird Dec 02 00:08:29 yeah, and the label pointer is half way through another function, i.e no entry register shifting is done, etc. Dec 02 00:09:31 why is lxr.linux.no so slow today? :( Dec 02 00:11:54 hmm, struct proc_dir_entry is a rather large struct too, I wonder where that's hiding Dec 02 00:13:23 lardman, no idea if the prototype has changed in the meantime ? (unlikely tough, in that case the kernel should crash and burn) Dec 02 00:14:12 I also remember you renamed some symbols Dec 02 00:14:13 no, I've got the correct kernel source version and it's the same Dec 02 00:14:41 shacka1: renamed symbols were *pci*, so nothing to do with this (or indeed anything that's called afaict) Dec 02 00:15:00 mm, right, reading the mail right now Dec 02 00:17:11 lardman, regardless where the parameters actually are, maybe the call fails because the driver somehow picks the wrong parent node ? Dec 02 00:17:37 yes, I'm trying to work out why the driver loads but then doesn't create any proc entries Dec 02 00:18:01 trying to work through the functions as they're called and see what might be causing an issue, etc. Dec 02 00:18:25 sir, you do have a lot of patience :) Dec 02 00:19:13 well the failure happens early on, the init function should register the proc files.... Dec 02 00:19:43 something to keep the little grey cells ticking over :) Dec 02 00:20:02 Poirot Dec 02 00:21:31 I fear the little grey cells are all ticked out for this evening though Dec 02 00:21:59 haha :) Dec 02 00:22:20 lardman, if you manage to get something workable out of this, you will forever be in the hearts and minds of the NIT community. :) Dec 02 00:23:08 we'll see, this is rather a large chunk I've bitten off Dec 02 00:23:36 lardman, it's the MontaVista Linux v2.6 SDK for OMAP2430 ? Dec 02 00:23:49 no, the open source one Dec 02 00:23:54 but on the same page Dec 02 00:24:04 oh, ok Dec 02 00:24:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn4TgYkqdi8 Ok offtopic but amazing - Lydia Kavina playing a theremin Dec 02 00:24:07 and for the omap2430 too, which may or may not be an issue Dec 02 00:24:12 I tought that one only had kernel sources Dec 02 00:24:22 if only :) Dec 02 00:24:42 grrrr, ti wants my email Dec 02 00:24:43 hello Dec 02 00:25:00 Tak: is XMaeme your project? Dec 02 00:25:25 shacka1: I've not had any spam that I know of, just the occasional "are you still you and do you still use this email address" Dec 02 00:25:58 Tak: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4573&page=2 Dec 02 00:30:19 night chaps, see you on the morrow Dec 02 00:31:14 what's up with that fysa Dec 02 00:31:16 is there support for pygame libraries for Python? Dec 02 00:31:24 i think so Dec 02 00:51:27 I just applied a boxwave screen protector. Must have taken me about 6-8 attempts Dec 02 00:51:51 only time it worked without any lint or dust was when I put it on practically wet, just shaken dry quickly Dec 02 00:52:04 but is now almost invisible Dec 02 00:53:16 Yeah, it's a pain to apply Dec 02 00:53:17 but they stay on Dec 02 00:53:54 seems to be lifting a little at the edge but hopefully that'll go away over time Dec 02 00:54:33 touchscreen is way more responsive than the stock one is Dec 02 00:54:49 er, than when the stock one was on Dec 02 00:55:21 * halley has no idea why people use screen protectors. Just don't push so hard on the stylus. Dec 02 00:55:47 skiburr, if you install the python2.5-dev, it includes pygame. Dec 02 00:55:49 halley: sometimes dust gets stuck between the stylus and the screen and is what scratches my one Dec 02 00:55:50 Because A. They reduce glare by a lot. Dec 02 00:56:07 I clean it constantly but it happens a *lot* Dec 02 00:56:12 and B. After a year of use without a screen protector, my 770 was noticeably scratched. Dec 02 00:56:26 and I'm not uncareful about dust and dirt. Dec 02 00:56:33 After a year of use of a 770, an 800 or 810 is available. ;) Dec 02 00:57:26 Then we get back to point A. Dec 02 00:57:29 glare reduction Dec 02 00:57:32 sure, but if a 770 does what you want, a 12 dollar screen protector is a better option than a 500 dollar piece of kit :) Dec 02 00:57:59 pupnik: new Game Boy Advance emulator that compiles/runs Dec 02 00:57:59 * halley shrugs. Dec 02 00:58:11 maybe not GBA Dec 02 00:58:14 but at least GB/GB:C Dec 02 00:58:17 let me double check Dec 02 00:59:18 no GBA Dec 02 00:59:19 http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=203791 Dec 02 01:07:41 doc|home: you seem to have mentioned the words "stock one" in reference to screen protectors Dec 02 01:07:49 there is no stock screen protector Dec 02 01:07:55 you're supposed to remove it Dec 02 01:09:28 The only display that has been genuinely scratched that I've seen was subjected to serious amounts of sand, a screw driver and deliberate attempts of making the device suffer Dec 02 01:09:29 lmoura: it doesn't install on my 2.2006.39-14 device Dec 02 01:09:51 (sorry, got lost in scrollback) Dec 02 01:10:01 anyone know how to make osso xterm open urls in the same browser window instead of opening a new one? Dec 02 01:11:01 hugolp: sorry, my humor is ironic usually, i'm often quite serious Dec 02 01:20:56 lle2, it's a screen protector, however bad its quality may be. Dec 02 01:21:05 I used it for 6 months on my N800. :) Dec 02 01:21:41 I think this has been discussed here before ;) Dec 02 01:23:19 completely unrelated: I got a lua scriptable argv[] and envp[] mangling framework in sb2 Dec 02 01:23:53 now it's possible to not only control where a process gets its files, but what it will get as its argv and environ Dec 02 01:24:14 including file 0, 1 and 2? :) Dec 02 01:24:17 Anyone know if gmythstream is available for 64bit? Dec 02 01:24:25 timelyx: not those, yet Dec 02 01:24:35 lle2: glad to be a trouble maker Dec 02 01:24:42 lle2: how's sb2 on osx doing? Dec 02 01:24:44 (or solaris) Dec 02 01:24:49 timelyx: really bad Dec 02 01:24:57 * timelyx grumbles Dec 02 01:25:11 I'm having monumental difficulties in understanding how I'm supposed to link shared libraries there Dec 02 01:25:37 ? Dec 02 01:25:40 cross ld Dec 02 01:25:40 and as I totally gave up on the macbook pro as a development environment, it's not much of a priority Dec 02 01:25:52 what's the problem? Dec 02 01:25:53 I can't compile sb2 Dec 02 01:25:57 or I can Dec 02 01:26:04 but it doesn't turn out the way it should Dec 02 01:26:25 * timelyx tries pulling teeth Dec 02 01:26:30 care to be more specific? Dec 02 01:26:33 no Dec 02 01:26:35 ;) Dec 02 01:26:59 lle2: if it comes included, and it protects the screen, to me that seems like a stock screen protector, however temporary :) Dec 02 01:27:24 doc|home: have you seen the one on the n810? Dec 02 01:27:27 uhhuh, if someone would give me the exact command line to create a preloadable .dylib, I'd appreciate Dec 02 01:27:32 it includes a big sticker designed to force people not to use it Dec 02 01:27:47 timelyx: nope Dec 02 01:27:50 what do you mean preloadable? Dec 02 01:27:54 timelyx: heh Dec 02 01:28:05 doc|home: nokia learns, just very slowly Dec 02 01:28:24 timelyx: as in, LD_PRELOAD=libsb2.so, but obviously on a mac it's something like DYLIB_PRELOAD or something Dec 02 01:28:59 LD_PRELOADS Dec 02 01:29:01 arg Dec 02 01:29:04 timelyx: I'd rather they had something than nothing, but why not just ship a decent one while they're at it :/ Dec 02 01:29:14 DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES Dec 02 01:29:18 doc|home: no screen protector is needed Dec 02 01:29:49 lle2: GeneralAntilles's experience seems to show otherwise :/ Dec 02 01:30:16 and back to point A. Glare reduction. Dec 02 01:30:41 timelyx: yup, but I need to create the .dylib properly first Dec 02 01:30:49 at the moment I fail Dec 02 01:31:22 timelyx: going by the bloody examples I've seen, I should build everything using libtool Dec 02 01:31:40 either the NeXT variant, or gnu Dec 02 01:31:44 I don't want to Dec 02 01:32:34 if it's not possible to create .dylibs on a the mac without using libtool, then I declare the mac as not worthy Dec 02 01:33:39 ok, how about solaris? :) Dec 02 01:33:41 so far every simplistic example that demonstrates how it's done runs gcc with a switch that makes it run libtool Dec 02 01:33:55 which is so sad it makes me smile Dec 02 01:34:44 timelyx: solaris might already work, no way for me to test it Dec 02 01:34:57 lle2: i'll give you an account on swift Dec 02 01:35:23 timelyx: I'm not sure I want one ;P Dec 02 01:36:04 but I'll gladly apply patches that fix any possible issues with it Dec 02 01:50:34 * timelyx sighs Dec 02 01:50:40 these people are so silly Dec 02 02:01:45 I'm sorry, timeless. :( Dec 02 02:04:45 so how long does it take for the n800's battery to fully charge? Dec 02 02:06:43 3 or 4 hours tops Dec 02 02:08:50 anyone here familiar w/ the folder chooser? Dec 02 02:08:52 czr? :) Dec 02 02:10:27 milhouse: is it better to charge your battery whenever you get a chance or to run it down to empty and then charge? Dec 02 02:10:55 l7 whenever you get the chance apparently, which surprised me too Dec 02 02:10:58 l7, lithium ion-- just don't drain it for a week after it refuses to boot. Dec 02 02:10:58 nokia's manual has a warning to "not overcharge your battery" Dec 02 02:11:31 doc|home: maybe it's better to disconnect the battery immediately after it reaches full then? Dec 02 02:11:38 or the charger Dec 02 02:11:58 i guess a lithium battery is happier being fully charged Dec 02 02:11:59 40% is supposed to be best if you're not going to use it for a while Dec 02 02:12:07 there's a page on the wiki Dec 02 02:12:09 By "overcharged" they mean 24 hrs. Dec 02 02:12:11 since you will decrease it's life when you deep cycle Dec 02 02:12:34 doc|home: ITT's wiki or maemo's wiki? Dec 02 02:13:03 it's too bad they didn't implent usb charging Dec 02 02:13:17 presumably usb is smart enough to turn off the power when it doesn't need it Dec 02 02:13:31 l7 maemo Dec 02 02:13:37 ah okay thanks Dec 02 02:14:06 halley: does overcharging include simply using the tablet while plugged in? Dec 02 02:14:22 if so, maybe you have to unplug when it's full Dec 02 02:15:17 i also noticed that if you charge up the battery, and reinsert the plug, it will show the charging icon again Dec 02 02:15:26 No, just don't leave it plugged in for days. Dec 02 02:15:30 Don't worry so much. Dec 02 02:15:32 * sp3000 has a novel rule of plugging things in when it's necessary and unplugging them when it's necessary Dec 02 02:15:35 hrm ok Dec 02 02:15:56 halley: my n800 is shiny and new, so i must worry about it :) Dec 02 02:16:51 sp3000: my IT is an internet radio reciever right now, hence it can be plugged in constantly Dec 02 02:17:27 i just wish nokia had a charging scheme similiar to a laptop's Dec 02 02:17:55 it won't even show your charge percentage Dec 02 02:18:06 ah well, that is my battery rant Dec 02 02:18:07 l7, consider it the same, but it's a smaller battery so less accurate. Dec 02 02:18:25 nice Dec 02 02:18:41 we got a bug report that the browser isn't very responsive with 7 flash videos on a single web page Dec 02 02:18:47 am i supposed to be shocked? Dec 02 02:19:45 I've noticed some stuff with it too. Zooming takes ages. Dec 02 02:19:54 yes Dec 02 02:20:00 the zoom ui is also insane Dec 02 02:20:04 and when you "open in new window" then minimize the new window, it pops back up Dec 02 02:20:13 flash is a slug by design Dec 02 02:20:14 which is annoying Dec 02 02:20:24 doc: yeah, um... that one should be fixed Dec 02 02:20:41 if you have some debugging experience and gtk knowledge, you could actually help Dec 02 02:20:42 good bug report doc|home :) Dec 02 02:21:00 there is one bug someone filed not to recently complaining about focus stealing Dec 02 02:21:06 I'm also getting it that the entire OS freezes but can't figure out why. It is something to do with the browser doing something but I can't figure out why so can't file a bug :/ Dec 02 02:21:09 but i think your testcase is probably better than theirs (do check) Dec 02 02:21:21 doc|home: install sshd and gdb Dec 02 02:21:36 will do it tomorrow, 'bout to head out now. Dec 02 02:21:48 (if you're feeling really adventurous, you could look into oprofile, but ...) Dec 02 02:21:50 oh sure Dec 02 02:21:53 it's 4am Dec 02 02:21:57 i don't want an answer now anyway Dec 02 02:22:13 :) Dec 02 02:22:16 * doc|home out Dec 02 02:23:08 does anyone here use maemo-mapper? Dec 02 02:23:42 Is it better than the N810 built in map app? Or is it the same thing? Dec 02 02:23:50 so has anyone found any new tricks for speeding up their ITs? Dec 02 02:23:53 <[pablo]> TheFool2: i do =) Dec 02 02:24:02 I think the N810 one is a bit weak, interface wise. Dec 02 02:24:07 is there any easy way yo zoom in and out? Dec 02 02:24:15 i can't wait to install OS 2008 on an external card Dec 02 02:24:17 <[pablo]> the zoom in and out buttons on the top Dec 02 02:24:29 lol, the volume buttons? Dec 02 02:24:43 that makes sense I guess Dec 02 02:24:53 <[pablo]> ?? i dunno, they zoom on my n810 Dec 02 02:25:07 well thanks, they do on my 770 as well =) Dec 02 02:25:14 <[pablo]> =) Dec 02 02:25:17 what they do depends on the app Dec 02 02:25:21 TheFool2, they're not volume buttons, they're +/- buttons. Dec 02 02:25:22 <[pablo]> you can also remap whatever keys you want to zoom Dec 02 02:25:28 They usually adjust the font size. Dec 02 02:25:42 I totally thought they had a sound label on them, guess I was wrong Dec 02 02:25:44 all the better Dec 02 02:26:28 [pablo]: have you had any issues waiting for the next map screen to load when using it on the road? Dec 02 02:26:41 * timelyx frowns Dec 02 02:26:44 halley: I guess I use too many media apps :) Dec 02 02:26:47 oi timeless - bug 166, I thought you were looking for suggestions! :) Dec 02 02:26:57 l7, the overcharging issues applies to NiMH batteries. Dec 02 02:26:59 milhouse: sometimes yes, sometimes no :) Dec 02 02:27:15 milhouse: i'd rather them on irc atm Dec 02 02:27:19 in a different channel Dec 02 02:27:24 <[pablo]> TheFool2: haven't had the chance to use it on the road yet Dec 02 02:27:25 anyone want to guess why empty text areas in microb have no context menus? Dec 02 02:27:56 timeless: ah ok, i'm happy to discuss that first then file it in bugzilla Dec 02 02:28:09 timeless: though it's not always clear what should be discussed where... Dec 02 02:28:26 GeneralAntilles: it seems odd that nokia would put overcharging in the n800's instructions then. does that mean it's safe to keep the IT plugged in indefinitely, barring surges? Dec 02 02:28:40 timeless: empty textareas... nutjob for a UI designer? Dec 02 02:28:46 maybe it's just Nokia's legal department writing it? Dec 02 02:28:49 no comment Dec 02 02:29:20 [pablo]: darn neither have I :(, using it as a map viewer works but I hate the map loading wait. If I was using it on the road that would really drive me insane. It makes sense that there would be a delay when moving the map much faster than a car can move. I am just hoping it doesn't take the same amount of time for small incremental rerenderings Dec 02 02:29:52 <[pablo]> TheFool2: have you tried pre-downloading the maps? Dec 02 02:29:54 i'm almost tempted to buy a used 770 as a dedicated internet radio tuner Dec 02 02:30:20 yea, did that and am testing in offline mode Dec 02 02:30:23 l7, it's the old battery recommendations, they didn't change them for lion for some reason. Dec 02 02:31:22 l7: err, i thought the radio was an n800 item Dec 02 02:31:39 <[pablo]> TheFool2: i only wish there was a way to load a route without having access to the internet Dec 02 02:32:17 [pablo]: from my understanding the proccessing needed to create a route makes that unfeasable Dec 02 02:32:35 <[pablo]> yup Dec 02 02:32:37 [pablo]: but yea...I would love it too Dec 02 02:32:59 [pablo]: because the next step would be auto-rerouting =) Dec 02 02:33:01 timelyx: fm radio? Dec 02 02:33:09 <[pablo]> mapper uses a seperate web service to create the routes, instead of doing it itself Dec 02 02:33:23 timelyx: i can't see any reason why the 770 wouldn't support internet radio... Dec 02 02:33:54 l7: the only problem is internet radio drains the battery rather fast Dec 02 02:34:06 * l7 considering loading nseries.com but it would take five minutes on the IT Dec 02 02:34:27 TheFool2: it could stay plugged in... Dec 02 02:34:31 l7: I would guestimate about 3 hours before the unit dies on you Dec 02 02:34:46 l7: well in that case why not just use your desktop? Dec 02 02:34:50 unless the battery were nimh Dec 02 02:34:57 TheFool2: lower power consumption and no fan Dec 02 02:35:06 and sheer coolness? Dec 02 02:35:24 also space Dec 02 02:35:25 l7: lol, I will give in to the coolness factor, sorta :) Dec 02 02:35:42 whenever i sit down at the desktop, i find dozens of useless things to do Dec 02 02:35:57 the IT keeps me focused :) Dec 02 02:36:12 because it takes so long to load a web page... Dec 02 02:36:21 heh yeah... Dec 02 02:36:36 i have heard that the iphone / itouch has a faster browser Dec 02 02:36:44 i need to go into a store and test this though Dec 02 02:36:45 I love my 770, but it is funny my only complaint is the web browser takes so freaking long Dec 02 02:36:55 it didn't seem that fast last timed i tried it int he apple store Dec 02 02:37:14 yea one of my friends has one, its faster but still not great Dec 02 02:37:27 and on the edge network... Dec 02 02:37:40 is browsing in OS 2008 much faster? Dec 02 02:37:57 Yes. Dec 02 02:37:57 how is wifi browsing performance? Dec 02 02:37:59 A lot faster. Dec 02 02:38:01 <[pablo]> than on edge? yes ... on wifi .. it's similar Dec 02 02:38:14 i guess that's a good reason alone to upgrade, even if you lose some apps Dec 02 02:38:27 Meh the apps will be back soon Dec 02 02:39:07 The important stuff is already there. Dec 02 02:39:12 So you're not really losing much. Dec 02 02:39:16 maybe OS2008 browsing matches the iphone / itouch's speed? Dec 02 02:39:24 if so, my envy is reduced :) Dec 02 02:39:30 it better for the price tag Dec 02 02:39:42 true Dec 02 02:39:53 i don't think the ipod touch has ssh either Dec 02 02:39:58 or IM Dec 02 02:40:11 the iphone is nice, it does what it was made to do and does it well. But thats it. The IT's can do sooo much more Dec 02 02:40:16 or bluetooth Dec 02 02:40:31 l7: actually it has all of the above with the right hacks... Dec 02 02:40:42 i wonder if the iphone can be had anywhere w/o a contract anyhow Dec 02 02:40:46 l7: the bluetooth is there it is simply nonfunctional Dec 02 02:41:07 TheFool2: i suppose there are people working on it Dec 02 02:41:19 yea, but even so I will stick to my 770 Dec 02 02:41:38 it sounds to me like it could become like Sony's firmware war against it's community though Dec 02 02:41:46 but i don't think apple is quite that dumb Dec 02 02:41:53 <[pablo]> l7: yes, they sell it in germany and france without a contract Dec 02 02:41:56 <[pablo]> for over $1000 Dec 02 02:42:27 [pablo]: oh yeah, that is an absurd price for an iphone Dec 02 02:42:34 might as well get an oQo Dec 02 02:42:37 if you dont want to use it as a phone there is absolutely no reason to get the ihpone over the ipod touch. Dec 02 02:42:45 though that might mean living w/ windoze Dec 02 02:42:55 iPhone only has 480x320 Dec 02 02:43:01 Which is garbage compared to 800x480 Dec 02 02:43:01 <[pablo]> l7: i'm sure you can drop ubuntu or something on an oqo Dec 02 02:43:26 iPhone is only faster because it doesn't deal with flash. ;) Dec 02 02:43:32 and it's not much faster anyhow. Dec 02 02:43:44 OQO wont fit into a pocket. Dec 02 02:43:50 TheFool2: yeah it's just the hacking required. because apple wants to encourage iphone sales, it cripples the itouch Dec 02 02:44:19 [pablo]: drivers might be difficult, but i guess so Dec 02 02:45:04 that is what ndiswrapper is for I guess Dec 02 02:45:04 yeah i still think the n800 is damn good Dec 02 02:45:21 hell yea totally the best buy out there in my view Dec 02 02:45:33 <[pablo]> for it's $200 price tag the n800 is a phenomenal deal Dec 02 02:45:49 it'll really make the itouch look puny when 32gb flash cards are cheap ;) Dec 02 02:46:01 but I truly hate it's appearance...something about ti just annoys me Dec 02 02:46:13 <[pablo]> it's bulky and big Dec 02 02:46:19 <[pablo]> not sleek Dec 02 02:46:27 <[pablo]> a bit clunky Dec 02 02:46:36 TheFool2: what bugs you about the N800? Dec 02 02:46:47 but I love the way my 770 looks, and I like the looks of the 810 Dec 02 02:46:49 the n810 seems sleeker Dec 02 02:46:54 though heavier Dec 02 02:47:05 <[pablo]> it's heavier, but it's not heavy Dec 02 02:47:09 true Dec 02 02:47:10 <[pablo]> it's solid Dec 02 02:47:19 <[pablo]> feels like it's all there Dec 02 02:47:20 I think it is largely the huge "frame" around it and the metallic look just doesn´t fit it Dec 02 02:47:30 i'm not sure i like the n810's lack of external buttons Dec 02 02:47:49 l7: true, especially since it is coupled with a gps Dec 02 02:48:13 yeah, it's weird how you have to open the kickstand to get at your buttons Dec 02 02:48:22 <[pablo]> i never got use to using the external buttons on an n800, because i've never owned one, but the lack of a dpad on the outside doesn't bother me at all, i barely use the dpad Dec 02 02:48:22 Er, no. Dec 02 02:48:28 that is just weird, but i understand nokia's engineers are dealing with limited space Dec 02 02:48:50 You don't have to open the kickstand to get at any buttons. Just the USB and SDmini slots are hidden by the kickstand. Dec 02 02:48:53 buttons on the other right side would be neat too Dec 02 02:48:59 Is there still a torrent floating around of the SDK on a virtual machine? Dec 02 02:49:04 i feel bad for lefties... Dec 02 02:49:20 halley: ah okay Dec 02 02:49:47 why? I am a leftie and I want my buttons on the left Dec 02 02:49:49 joshin: i thought there was a direct download Dec 02 02:49:57 I hold it and access it with the same hand Dec 02 02:50:08 joshin: there is a torrent liked from vmware's vm marketplace iirc Dec 02 02:50:22 l7: There is but there are no seeders Dec 02 02:50:47 TheFool2: Dec 02 02:51:00 TheFool2: oh i thought it would be harder Dec 02 02:51:09 joshin: why not sure the direct download? Dec 02 02:51:18 unless it's getting real slow Dec 02 02:51:49 there's something clumsy about the n800's button setup to me too Dec 02 02:52:21 the UI isn't quite as sleek as the iphone's Dec 02 02:52:30 though i imagine that can be customized in time Dec 02 02:53:19 l7: I didn't see the direct download. But then again, I think that maemo.org is running on a 770 so poking around there is terribly frustrating. Dec 02 02:53:45 joshin, try google Dec 02 02:54:10 if you are looking for the vmware thingy Dec 02 02:54:20 l7 good idea Dec 02 02:54:36 it was not on maemo.org iirc Dec 02 02:55:00 I just don't want to cruft up my server with scratchbox crap. Dec 02 02:55:13 heh Dec 02 02:56:35 Er.. why would you install it on your server to begin with? Dec 02 02:57:54 Because my server is where I do all my development work. Dec 02 02:59:08 joshin: hey, found it http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Dec 02 02:59:31 l7: Dang, was just about to post the link myself. Thanks for the help. Dec 02 02:59:40 np Dec 02 02:59:53 it is actually rather hard to find **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 02 02:59:56 2007