**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 02 02:59:56 2007
Dec 02 03:00:17 <l7> i didn't find it the first time around for quite a while
Dec 02 03:02:33 <fysa> http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/07/mini-usb-gamepad-for-those-with-small-hands/
Dec 02 03:03:54 <joshin> That's kinda cool.  Velcro it to the back of a 770/800.
Dec 02 03:04:03 <fysa> haha exactly
Dec 02 03:04:10 <l7> hrm nice
Dec 02 03:04:16 <l7> if usb host mode worked
Dec 02 03:04:41 <fysa> I was looking for a mini USB joystick.  I think someone could make a USB joystick contained on a plug end with a single analog stick (think very small) sticking out
Dec 02 03:05:09 <l7> that'll go nicely with the new GBA emulator
Dec 02 03:05:09 <joshin> Can make it work on the 770.
Dec 02 03:05:19 <l7> how much work is it?
Dec 02 03:05:49 <fysa> which new GBA emu?
Dec 02 03:06:05 <l7> so what are the best games for OS2007?
Dec 02 03:06:09 <l7> or the IT in general
Dec 02 03:06:19 <zerojay> Hey guys, you might want to see about getting the SNES emulator to run well before thinking about GBA.
Dec 02 03:06:20 <fysa> Dungeon Master/Chaos Strikes Back is really good if you've never played it before.
Dec 02 03:06:37 <fysa> and the game  back then included a bug-button mouse interface
Dec 02 03:06:43 <fysa> which translates rather well to the touchscreen
Dec 02 03:07:06 <fysa> Wesnoth is fun, but was a bit buggy for me.
Dec 02 03:07:17 <zerojay> Personally, I'm a huge fan of emulators.. My Xbox has a 320GB hard drive with pretty much every emulator on the planet.. but even I don't really see the point of running emulators on the tablets.
Dec 02 03:07:21 <zerojay> At least not yet.
Dec 02 03:07:28 <fysa> GBA with Final Fantasy Tactics would be the pinnacle for me.
Dec 02 03:07:39 <l7> fysa: Gambatte iirc
Dec 02 03:07:43 <fysa> nice pacing for a handheld, won't suffer with onscreen controls
Dec 02 03:07:48 <fysa> I thought it was only GB/GB:C?
Dec 02 03:07:54 <l7> someone mentioned it in channel earlier
Dec 02 03:07:58 <l7> dunno if it works on the IT
Dec 02 03:08:08 <l7> but it might!
Dec 02 03:08:09 <zerojay> fysa: Heard about the PSP version?
Dec 02 03:08:16 <fysa> of Gambatte?
Dec 02 03:08:22 <fysa> no..  was just reading their page earlier
Dec 02 03:08:24 <zerojay> No, FF Tactics.
Dec 02 03:08:26 <fysa> ah
Dec 02 03:08:32 <fysa> yeah, I had a PSP too but sold it last year..
Dec 02 03:08:58 <fysa> 1.5 fw/etc, coincidentally sold it for about the same as I paid for the N800.
Dec 02 03:09:13 <l7> nice
Dec 02 03:09:18 <l7> why did you sell the PSP?
Dec 02 03:09:25 <zerojay> I have a DS as well. I took it apart to fix something and just haven't found a reason to even bother with putting it back together yet... even with my flash cart.
Dec 02 03:09:34 <l7> it should be a nice GBA emu for Final Fantasy Tactics i bet
Dec 02 03:09:49 <zerojay> Yeah, the GBA emulator on the PSP is really good.
Dec 02 03:09:49 <fysa> figured it was reaching end of life, only used it on vacation really..  it just kind of sat because it had no day-to-day use like the N800 does.
Dec 02 03:10:23 <fysa> emulators on DS aren't so hot?
Dec 02 03:10:24 <l7> yeah i'm kinda too busy to deal w much gaming myself
Dec 02 03:10:27 <fysa> or it just doesn't have the CPU?
Dec 02 03:10:34 <zerojay> No, they aren't.
Dec 02 03:11:07 <zerojay> The CPU and the dual screens means that you get a slow emulator on a tiny screen and the other one basically does nothing.
Dec 02 03:11:13 <fysa> ah, right
Dec 02 03:11:54 <zerojay> I do have to say that I've been using my PSP a lot less since getting my N800.
Dec 02 03:12:02 <fysa> hopefully it will only be a matter of time before we get a hacked kernel with a higher max speed.
Dec 02 03:12:06 <zerojay> I used to use my PSP for portable media, etc...
Dec 02 03:12:18 <zerojay> fysa: For what?
Dec 02 03:12:21 <fysa> I bet you can get another 50-100MHz out of the N800 before getting into thermal trouble.
Dec 02 03:12:26 <l7> where is the GB emulator by the way?
Dec 02 03:12:34 <l7> the link on garage seems broken
Dec 02 03:12:40 <fysa> your battery may not last, but who cares -- it lasts long enough anyway
Dec 02 03:12:44 <zerojay> fysa: Well, the chip doesn't go that high, period.
Dec 02 03:12:54 <fysa> the CPU in the N800?
Dec 02 03:12:55 <elb> ... a hacked kernel may or may not be able to give a "higher max speed"
Dec 02 03:13:03 <zerojay> Yeah.
Dec 02 03:13:15 <l7> zerojay: how does the PSP's media playing stack up in terms of video?
Dec 02 03:13:23 <elb> there is a clock in there, and it may or may not be capable of going faster
Dec 02 03:13:37 <fysa> right.
Dec 02 03:13:45 <l7> the PSP seems like a good value for video compared to the ipod... but it seems rather heavy
Dec 02 03:13:48 <fysa> but the ARM we use is rated for 1GHz in some applications.
Dec 02 03:13:57 <l7> and big
Dec 02 03:14:01 <zerojay> l7: Generally well. It can't play every media format without mplayer, basically.
Dec 02 03:14:20 <timelyx> l7: sorry, nokia in its infinite wisdom included a real fm tuner w/ the n800 and only the n800
Dec 02 03:14:23 <zerojay> The PSP Slim is a lot lighter than the regular one.. about 15% amller too.
Dec 02 03:14:33 <timelyx> as a result people who talk about radio are assumed to mean that, and not internet radio
Dec 02 03:14:34 <zerojay> smaller
Dec 02 03:14:49 <l7> timelyx: er yeah, i was thinking of internet radio :)
Dec 02 03:15:12 <zerojay> I think I've only used the FM radio tuner once or twice.
Dec 02 03:15:18 <l7> timelyx: i still wonder about nokia's mysterious decision to include an FM tuner though
Dec 02 03:16:07 <l7> zerojay: can you still install open firmware and video players on the PSP Slim?
Dec 02 03:16:25 <zerojay> They probably had some real official plans with it that fell through.. ran out of time or something... or maybe the hardware designers decided to add it and the software people just didn't bother with it.
Dec 02 03:16:27 <zerojay> l7: Yep.
Dec 02 03:16:32 <l7> nice
Dec 02 03:16:44 <zerojay> Not open firmware.
Dec 02 03:16:46 <zerojay> Hacked firmware.
Dec 02 03:16:55 <l7> oh right
Dec 02 03:17:13 <l7> open firmware not actually being open, if i remember sony's lingo
Dec 02 03:17:36 <zerojay> It would have been open except that Sony couldn't figure out a way to sandbox it effectively.
Dec 02 03:17:44 <timelyx> l7: how could a 400mhz arm processor match a 750mhz iphone processor?
Dec 02 03:18:21 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: the oqo has full keyboard and full mouse
Dec 02 03:18:21 <l7> timelyx: huh?
Dec 02 03:18:30 <timelyx> there's no reason to stick it in a pocket, just use it
Dec 02 03:18:42 <timelyx> pockets are for devices people don't like or want to use
Dec 02 03:19:07 <l7> does the oqo have a touchscreen?
Dec 02 03:19:19 <l7> a mouse seems weird on that form factor
Dec 02 03:19:23 <halley> Yes.
Dec 02 03:19:31 <zerojay> timelyx: So.. I put my N800 in my pocket while going to work and listening to music on it... does that mean I don't like it or want to use it?
Dec 02 03:20:02 <GeneralAntilles> Seriously, timelyx.
Dec 02 03:20:09 <GeneralAntilles> I don't carry a bag with me, so pocketable is very important.
Dec 02 03:20:26 <zerojay> I'm not too lazy to hold it in my hand, but I'm tired of hearing people around me saying "He's got an iPhone!" in French.
Dec 02 03:20:47 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Dec 02 03:20:54 <GeneralAntilles> I never get that, thank goodness.
Dec 02 03:20:59 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: iirc the oqo has a belt hook
Dec 02 03:21:06 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Dec 02 03:21:07 <lmoura> timelyx, what doesn't install? (also lost the history :)
Dec 02 03:21:08 <GeneralAntilles> ...
Dec 02 03:21:20 <timelyx> lmoura: python2.5-hildon
Dec 02 03:21:28 <timelyx> the oqo we have is on my coworker's desk
Dec 02 03:21:36 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: you need a good tight belt
Dec 02 03:21:37 <zerojay> I'm on the bus and if it's somewhat packed, they all crowd around me to see me listening to music while playing Mahjong with my fingers.
Dec 02 03:21:46 <timelyx> or coworkers who won't claim harassment..,.
Dec 02 03:22:04 <lmoura> timelyx, any error message?
Dec 02 03:22:10 <GeneralAntilles> Had a bunch of people ask about my N800 when I flew out to Cali.
Dec 02 03:22:13 <GeneralAntilles> Everywhere I sat down.
Dec 02 03:23:12 <zerojay> I was waiting at the bus stop and made a video call to my wife and thought I was going to start a riot.
Dec 02 03:23:26 <halley> Hm, my pygame is up to 10fps but still not quite fast enough to be pleasant.
Dec 02 03:23:39 <GeneralAntilles> Crazy Canadians . . .
Dec 02 03:23:49 <timelyx> lmoura: hildon-libs version not satisfied
Dec 02 03:29:44 <lmoura> timelyx, probably we messed up with versioning. Tomorrow afternoon I'll install gregale and take a look (it's quite late here in brazil)
Dec 02 03:32:20 <zerojay> Any python devs around?
Dec 02 03:32:40 <lmoura> zerojay, yep
Dec 02 03:33:04 <zerojay> lmoura: Any way you could possibly package a module for me?
Dec 02 03:33:11 <timelyx> lmoura: it's 5.30am here, what's your excuse? :)
Dec 02 03:33:16 <timelyx> but, thanks :)
Dec 02 03:33:50 <timelyx> lmoura: wait
Dec 02 03:33:52 <lmoura> timelyx, I've to leave home in 6 hours
Dec 02 03:33:55 <timelyx> installing gregale is useless
Dec 02 03:34:07 <timelyx> i have scirocco not gregale
Dec 02 03:34:11 <lmoura> zerojay, right now, no
Dec 02 03:34:14 <timelyx> and i'm not upgrading!
Dec 02 03:34:23 <zerojay> lmoura: Okie dokey. Thanks anyways.
Dec 02 03:34:34 <lmoura> timelyx, oh
Dec 02 03:35:42 <lmoura> that's hildon pre-0.14
Dec 02 03:36:40 <lmoura> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/scirocco/free/p/python-hildon/
Dec 02 03:37:13 <lmoura> timelyx, did you try that one?
Dec 02 03:47:52 <l7> hey, does adding too many RSS feeds to the default RSS reader eat up your RAM?
Dec 02 03:48:11 <zerojay> I've got about 45 feeds right now.
Dec 02 03:48:17 <l7> i read something about the RSS reader sharing resources in the manual, but it is as usual unclear
Dec 02 03:48:18 <zerojay> Doesn't seem to cause any problems.
Dec 02 03:48:27 <l7> short feeds or long feeds?
Dec 02 03:48:36 <zerojay> Uh...?
Dec 02 03:48:52 <l7> can you tell the OS not the display certain feeds on the home screen?
Dec 02 03:49:11 <l7> i was hoping i could just tell it to put the important ones on the home screen
Dec 02 03:50:03 <zerojay> No.
Dec 02 03:50:14 <zerojay> It puts all updates for all your feeds there.
Dec 02 03:50:14 <halley> Sure you could.
Dec 02 03:50:26 <halley> Just don't put unimportant feeds in your feed list.
Dec 02 03:50:37 <zerojay> halley: Yeah, not a solution.
Dec 02 03:51:31 <zerojay> Not that it matters to me because if I have a feed added to my list, I want to know when there are updates.
Dec 02 03:51:44 <halley> See?
Dec 02 03:52:05 <zerojay> Yeah, but that's me. I know there's a lot of people that do want to select their feeds.
Dec 02 03:53:57 <halley> The "sketch" app needs an "erase all" that doesn't need a pokey confirmation dialog box.
Dec 02 03:54:09 <halley> And its margins are too big.
Dec 02 03:54:12 <zerojay> New isn't good enough?
Dec 02 03:54:36 <halley> Did you read the part where I said "that doesn't need a pokey confirmation dialog box"?  I thought that was clear.
Dec 02 03:55:26 <zerojay> There isn't one.
Dec 02 03:56:27 <halley> Uh, click menu, click "New", see "Save Sketch before closing? [Yes] [No] [Cancel]".
Dec 02 03:56:30 <zerojay> I think there might be a way to erase all without doing that.
Dec 02 03:56:39 <zerojay> Uh, doesn't happen here.
Dec 02 03:56:53 <halley> N810 OS2008?
Dec 02 03:57:09 <zerojay> N800 OS2008 44-4.
Dec 02 03:58:14 <zerojay> I did this time... hmm.. weird.
Dec 02 03:58:37 <halley> Of course it won't ask if you didn't draw anything in the old one.
Dec 02 03:58:48 <zerojay> Well, whatever.. I don't really see the problem with a confirmation dialog box for a program that only has one window open at a time though.
Dec 02 03:59:08 <zerojay> There's no reason why it shouldn't allow you to have more than one open at a time though.
Dec 02 03:59:18 <zerojay> Which is the real problem.
Dec 02 03:59:33 <zerojay> Help shows no shortcut way to erase all, unfortunately.
Dec 02 04:00:13 <halley> The maemomapper+ lets you have many scribbles and notes, but I *hate* database backends instead of flatfiles, and it's twice as clumsy to make each new note/sketch.
Dec 02 04:01:20 <halley> The pygtkeditor looks nice but I want it to support more than one text file in the session (multiple python instances to edit multiple files is not optimal).
Dec 02 04:01:44 <zerojay> maemopadplus.
Dec 02 04:01:56 <halley> Er, yeah, maemopad+
Dec 02 04:04:45 <timelyx> lmoura: dunno, application manager isn't finding it w/ a repo configured to be that
Dec 02 04:08:07 <lopz> http://rafb.net/p/m0VY4p72.html <- any ideas ? :)
Dec 02 04:08:20 <lopz> I not use debian :\
Dec 02 04:08:31 <zerojay> You probably have the Application manager open.
Dec 02 04:08:32 <halley> Can't apt-get if you have Application Manager open.
Dec 02 04:08:48 <timelyx> welcome to debian
Dec 02 04:08:55 <lopz> jeje
Dec 02 04:08:59 * lopz loves gentoo
Dec 02 04:09:05 <zerojay> Same here.
Dec 02 04:09:11 * halley shudders.
Dec 02 04:09:29 <zerojay> No dealing with dependency hell makes it worthwhile.
Dec 02 04:11:34 <lopz> mm how have xterm + colors ? or only black and white ?
Dec 02 04:13:04 <lopz> I sorry for my english, is very bad :\
Dec 02 04:16:52 <dick-richardson> with the built-in maps for os2008, where is the dividing line between east and west in the US?
Dec 02 04:17:24 <zerojay> Damn good question.
Dec 02 04:18:10 <halley> dick-richardson, not sure but would guess the Mississippi River.
Dec 02 04:19:09 <dick-richardson> seems to be as good a guess as any
Dec 02 04:19:25 <halley> Looks like it-- I zoom out and see the US in two tones of green.
Dec 02 04:20:58 <halley> You get numbered hiways on the "off" side, but surface streets on the "on" side.
Dec 02 04:21:12 <halley> I zoomed in on St Louis.
Dec 02 04:21:34 <dick-richardson> I'll take a look once it's done downloading...i'm only 2 hours in so far :/
Dec 02 04:22:21 <halley> If you don't want the GPS it constantly nags "Enable GPS?!?!?!?!" every 15sec.
Dec 02 04:23:01 <skiburr> does osso xterm work for OS2008 N800?
Dec 02 04:23:13 <halley> lopz, don't think so; using $TERM==xterm-color was not sufficient.
Dec 02 04:23:14 <skiburr> anybody used it yet or tested it?
Dec 02 04:23:24 <skiburr> hum..
Dec 02 04:23:49 <skiburr> I'm using default terminal and MC
Dec 02 04:23:53 <doc|home> halley: yes, that is annoying
Dec 02 04:24:04 <skiburr> doesn't like the app
Dec 02 04:24:06 <doc|home> "for the 50th fucking time! I don't want to enable gps!"
Dec 02 04:24:16 <doc|home> *STAB SCREEN*
Dec 02 04:24:26 <halley> Glad it's not just me.
Dec 02 04:25:42 <timelyx> halley: i complained about the 15s gps thing internally
Dec 02 04:25:49 <timelyx> halley: pair a phone that doesn't have gps
Dec 02 04:25:55 <timelyx> and configure that as your gps device
Dec 02 04:26:21 <halley> I don't pair with a phone at all.  Nokia gets it in their head that the tablet is only useful in proximity with a bluetooth phone.
Dec 02 04:26:59 <halley> All the docs give a hard sell to this usage pattern.
Dec 02 04:27:06 * doc|home has no reason to use a phone with it either
Dec 02 04:27:20 <halley> I just don't want a phone.  Especially a bluetooth phone.
Dec 02 04:27:23 <doc|home> has a bug been filed?
Dec 02 04:27:31 <timelyx> halley: pair it with a bluetooth pencil?
Dec 02 04:27:39 <timelyx> any bt device that doesn't support gps will work
Dec 02 04:27:50 <timelyx> doc|home: a map component in bugs.maemo.org was vetod
Dec 02 04:27:56 <halley> I don't want to be bristling with antennae, I want to look at the map.
Dec 02 04:28:06 <doc|home> also there's the power usage factor of bluetooth, both on phone and n8x0
Dec 02 04:28:10 <timelyx> if you want to file it in misdirected:nokia, you are within your powers but i should advise against it
Dec 02 04:28:44 <timelyx> the lawyers all said that we shouldn't let users give useful feedback
Dec 02 04:28:53 <timelyx> because our contracts aren't flexible enough to handle it :)
Dec 02 04:29:09 <timelyx> i think the "correct" way to complain that the map app is a PoS
Dec 02 04:29:12 <timelyx> is to call nokia care
Dec 02 04:29:13 <timelyx> and complain
Dec 02 04:29:20 <timelyx> escalate it a few times
Dec 02 04:29:24 <timelyx> and make sure your friends call too
Dec 02 04:29:41 <doc|home> or fork it
Dec 02 04:29:47 <halley> Nah, they'll just stop supporting it for being a hassle.
Dec 02 04:29:48 <doc|home> oh wait, this is closed source, isn't it? :/
Dec 02 04:29:52 <timelyx> the closed source contracted application?
Dec 02 04:29:56 <timelyx> even nokians can't fix it
Dec 02 04:30:00 <timelyx> believe me, i tried
Dec 02 04:30:00 <doc|home> bah
Dec 02 04:30:28 <halley> timelyx, make an OSS "null gps loopback" scheme.
Dec 02 04:30:46 <timelyx> halley: seriously, any bluetooth device that doesn't support gps will work
Dec 02 04:30:58 <timelyx> it probably doesn't even have to be available
Dec 02 04:31:11 <timelyx> (in fact, it doesn't)
Dec 02 04:31:20 <halley> timelyx, (figlet -f large I don't want any bluetooth sniffing at all.)
Dec 02 04:31:55 <halley> If I could rip that antenna out of the case, I likely would.
Dec 02 04:32:35 <doc|home> yeah, but, why is that bt stuff even necessary? surely someone said "well, if it's not going to be on a n810, gps might not be there"
Dec 02 04:33:09 <timelyx> ?
Dec 02 04:33:17 <GeneralAntilles> halley, I think you have an unhealthy hate for RF.
Dec 02 04:33:23 <timelyx> doc: i use the bt gps feature w/ my n810s
Dec 02 04:33:32 <timelyx> because the bt gps i have is *better* than the n810's internal gps
Dec 02 04:33:33 <doc|home> timelyx: yeah, but for those of us with n800s
Dec 02 04:33:43 <doc|home> sorry, maybe I wasn't clear :/
Dec 02 04:33:50 <halley> GeneralAntilles, aviators often do.
Dec 02 04:33:54 <halley> (Though I'm not one.)
Dec 02 04:34:08 <timelyx> doc: confused, if you meant to include sarcasm, it got lost
Dec 02 04:34:10 <GeneralAntilles> Then how is it that statement relevant? :P
Dec 02 04:34:46 <halley> Er, anyone who flies a lot as a passenger might also have a thought or two about RF.
Dec 02 04:35:04 <dick-richardson> timelyx: she's saying why doesn't the app recognize that it could be running on an n800 and forget about gps altogether
Dec 02 04:35:13 <GeneralAntilles> It's called "offline mode"
Dec 02 04:35:15 <lopz> halley, thanks, What is the file that I have to edit?
Dec 02 04:35:16 <timelyx> dick-richardson: um
Dec 02 04:35:23 <timelyx> it does recognize it could be on an n800
Dec 02 04:35:25 <timelyx> hence the gps
Dec 02 04:35:29 <timelyx> dick: but no, seriously
Dec 02 04:35:37 <timelyx> the people who wrote this app did it under contract
Dec 02 04:35:43 <timelyx> and i want to shoot them
Dec 02 04:35:51 <doc|home> timelyx: nope, I wasn't. I'm saying the use scenario for the software (being on an n800) means gps might not be available. I'm wondering why they didn't think to allow an option to disable that? :/
Dec 02 04:35:57 <timelyx> i counted something like 33 dialogs for a simple route from DC to Rockville
Dec 02 04:36:04 <doc|home> ouch
Dec 02 04:36:05 <dick-richardson> timelyx: i gotcha. I'm with you
Dec 02 04:36:08 <timelyx> they're idiots
Dec 02 04:36:47 <timelyx> and the hardware and software was so flaky that i only did testing probably less than a month before the n810 "launched"
Dec 02 04:36:58 <halley> Is the data a standard format, or some custom distortion of the same free survey stuff?
Dec 02 04:36:59 <timelyx> by this time, there was no way in hell to get major fixes in
Dec 02 04:37:16 <timelyx> halley: we wouldn't know, or it'd be a secret
Dec 02 04:37:21 <timelyx> reverse engineer it
Dec 02 04:37:27 <dick-richardson> isn't there a 'final' mid-december release?
Dec 02 04:37:42 <timelyx> dick-richardson: err, redo from start
Dec 02 04:37:53 <timelyx> the software for maps basically went to bed when the n810 shipped
Dec 02 04:38:06 <timelyx> and it isn't written by nokia
Dec 02 04:38:15 <dick-richardson> sorry...I had heard that another firmware was going to be released mid-december
Dec 02 04:38:25 <timelyx> so the amount of flexibility about what can possibly be fixed for it is very low
Dec 02 04:38:30 <dick-richardson> ok, so even if that's true it won't impact the map
Dec 02 04:38:34 <timelyx> they've already futured all of my bugs to a later product
Dec 02 04:38:42 <dick-richardson> LOL!
Dec 02 04:38:45 <timelyx> (this is maps bugs, and i filed a dozen or so)
Dec 02 04:39:02 <timelyx> i also gave someone a much larger list, because i didn't have the energy to file all of htem
Dec 02 04:39:08 <timelyx> believe me, this one was in at least one of the lists
Dec 02 04:39:13 <timelyx> i don't remember which list
Dec 02 04:39:22 <timelyx> but one of the lists was on a very big sheet of paper :)
Dec 02 04:39:33 <milhouse> this maps software situation sounds like Opera all over again... :(
Dec 02 04:39:57 <timelyx> opera was better
Dec 02 04:40:03 <timelyx> they at least knew what they were doing
Dec 02 04:40:09 <timelyx> problems w/ opera were imo nokia's fault
Dec 02 04:40:29 <timelyx> problems w/ map are only nokia's fault to the extent that nokia didn't give enough specification/guidance/oversight
Dec 02 04:40:58 <timelyx> sorta the opposite extreme
Dec 02 04:41:06 <timelyx> micromangement v. no management
Dec 02 04:41:19 <timelyx> don't think of the app as Nokia Map
Dec 02 04:41:46 <timelyx> think of it as "random company partners w/ Nokia to port their preexisting map to Nokia's devices"
Dec 02 04:42:22 <timelyx> note: i'd publish a list of bugs in the maps app
Dec 02 04:42:31 <timelyx> but as i said, the lawyers veto'd creating a component for it
Dec 02 04:42:44 <timelyx> so i'm pretty sure they don't want me giving you all a headstart on the bug list
Dec 02 04:43:36 <timelyx> bug#1: application name is misspelled (it should be "Maps" like every other Maps application, including Nokia Maps for mobile phones - It's spelled "Map" on N8x0)
Dec 02 04:44:40 <doc|home> I like the new browser's rendering abilities, it's just a little buggy
Dec 02 04:44:45 <skiburr> Would it be faster to boot OS2008 on an internal card?  Would we get more CPU power?
Dec 02 04:45:02 <timelyx> you wouldn't get more cpu power
Dec 02 04:45:04 <timelyx> the cpu is the cpu
Dec 02 04:45:58 <halley> That reminds me of a question someone emailed me about perl.  "Could we run 10 copies of the script in parallel and have the results faster?"
Dec 02 04:46:24 <timelyx> halley: sad fact
Dec 02 04:46:25 <milhouse> But ultimately like Opera, Nokia seemingly have no ability to fix the problems with the Maps application because it's contracted out, and due to their mismanagement they seem to have a lot more problems with the map app than they ever did with Opera... oh dear.
Dec 02 04:46:26 <skiburr> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/      "so the result may be faster due to lower CPU usage..."      O Ok less CPU usage.  Which is better. :P
Dec 02 04:46:31 <doc|home> it's perl, so you know, it's possible :)
Dec 02 04:46:39 <doc|home> perl means all bets are off :/
Dec 02 04:46:47 <halley> I wanted to forward links to "Mythical Man Month" and "Slack" to the guy.
Dec 02 04:46:54 <timelyx> if you're dealing w/ NFS locking, sometimes multiple scripts can actually improve perf (as long as they operate on different bits of the data...)
Dec 02 04:47:20 <halley> No, it's none of that.  It was CPU bound calculations that should never have been in perl anyway.
Dec 02 04:47:22 <lopz> halley, I do not find the file for editing, and have support for color in the terminal :\
Dec 02 04:47:49 <timelyx> skiburr: those reasons are fairly bogus
Dec 02 04:47:50 <halley> lopz, your english is rough.
Dec 02 04:47:54 <timelyx> 1. the flashes are always available
Dec 02 04:47:59 <halley> lopz, to be more clear:   NO YOU CANNOT.
Dec 02 04:48:17 <timelyx> 2. decompressing in many cases is faster than extra sector reads
Dec 02 04:48:25 <milhouse> skiburr - booting from internal flash may cause the CPU to spend time compressing/decompressing data written to the jffs2 filesystem, so external flash could be very very slightly faster. but probably not so you'd notice.
Dec 02 04:48:25 <lopz> hexa_, yes,  my english is bad , sorry :S
Dec 02 04:49:06 <lopz> halley, *
Dec 02 04:49:20 <lopz> any idea ? help me
Dec 02 04:49:20 <timelyx> as for the bit about more space for apps, that's another story
Dec 02 04:49:35 <timelyx> but you can try playing w/ symlinks if you're feeling adventurous
Dec 02 04:49:45 <halley> Ah, I'm glad I have an auto-ignore-for-N-weeks script.
Dec 02 04:50:24 <skiburr> milhouse -  So any other advantages besides more space for installing apps?
Dec 02 04:50:35 <dick-richardson> I wish os2008 had a os2007 vm so I could use my n810 :/
Dec 02 04:53:22 <halley> dick-richardson, I don't follow you there.
Dec 02 04:55:09 <lopz> urg :\
Dec 02 04:55:16 <timelyx> dick-richardson: you want to use 2007 apps on you n810?
Dec 02 04:55:19 <dick-richardson> I need gnumeric and gpodder to even consider benching my n800...vpn and ssh would be really nice
Dec 02 04:55:23 <timelyx> presumably because no one has rebuilt them?
Dec 02 04:55:28 <dick-richardson> timelyx: yep
Dec 02 04:55:32 <timelyx> ssh is available
Dec 02 04:55:39 <halley> Er, ssh is easy.
Dec 02 04:55:59 <dick-richardson> compiling from source?
Dec 02 04:56:05 <halley> No.
Dec 02 04:56:12 <timelyx> http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php
Dec 02 04:56:22 <skiburr> Wounding if anybody is trying to compile Slackware.
Dec 02 04:56:24 <timelyx> click os2008, enter "ssh", click search
Dec 02 04:56:31 <halley> The one thing that's bugging me about the N810 is there's no Japanese IME.
Dec 02 04:56:42 <dick-richardson> there we go, i've just been looking at maemo.org/downloads
Dec 02 04:58:34 <dick-richardson> I've fallen in love with that site :D
Dec 02 04:58:41 <timelyx> it's in the topic...
Dec 02 04:58:52 <milhouse> skiburr: not really, additional space when booting from external flash is the main reason. once the OS is upgradeable via the application manager (which should be possible with os2008) it might become advisable to test the upgrade on a cloned OS on external flash. but beyond that i'm stuck for reasons why anyone would want to boot from external flash. i'm sure there are more reasons.
Dec 02 04:59:18 * halley hopes milhouse didn't type that on the tablet keyboard.
Dec 02 04:59:33 <timelyx> heh
Dec 02 04:59:37 <skiburr> lol
Dec 02 04:59:51 <skiburr> thanks for the info milhouse
Dec 02 04:59:55 <timelyx> halley: i could have written that on my mobile phone :)
Dec 02 05:00:07 <milhouse> np - and no... there'd be more typos if i'd used a tablet!
Dec 02 05:00:15 <milhouse> and i'd still be typing it...
Dec 02 05:00:18 <lopz> mmiller, that file can be modified to xterm-color?
Dec 02 05:00:23 <timelyx> depends on whether you use prediction :)
Dec 02 05:00:24 <dick-richardson> I could do that in graffiti back in the day
Dec 02 05:00:45 <timelyx> dick-richardson: you could still do that today w/ a nice old palm :)
Dec 02 05:00:47 <halley> timelyx, it was the value/strokes ratio and the length of time since skiburr asked the question.
Dec 02 05:01:21 <timelyx> ah
Dec 02 05:01:28 <timelyx> i think he's distracted elsewhere :)
Dec 02 05:03:31 <dick-richardson> timelyx: true, but I need spreadsheets and podcasting clients, along with ssh and openvpn. I've outgrown my palm :/
Dec 02 05:03:50 <dick-richardson> er...don't read too much into that
Dec 02 05:05:27 <dick-richardson> wow, i'm slow...ssh is in the default repos
Dec 02 05:08:51 <astro76> dick-richardson, there's a vpn client too
Dec 02 05:09:06 <dick-richardson> astro76: do you know as it supports openvpn?
Dec 02 05:09:30 <astro76> dick-richardson, hrm no idea.. it says vpnc, cisco-compatible vpn client
Dec 02 05:09:37 <astro76> default repos
Dec 02 05:09:53 <dick-richardson> yeah, saw that one...won't do what I need
Dec 02 05:10:16 <dick-richardson> unless I get some much nicer hardware here than my 3 year old wrt54g
Dec 02 05:21:01 <dick-richardson> rootme as the ssh root password doesn't work...?
Dec 02 05:23:40 <milhouse> something odd about os2008 - works fine if R&D mode is enabled...
Dec 02 05:23:46 <milhouse> @dick
Dec 02 05:24:27 <milhouse> at least it works fine for me, and i've got r&d mode enabled... did you change the password when you installed openssh server? i just entered rootme as the old/new password when it prompted me.
Dec 02 05:25:07 <skiburr> OS2008 Skype N800 crashes
Dec 02 05:25:20 <milhouse> skiburr: yep
Dec 02 05:26:33 <dick-richardson> I just installed the openssh meta package
Dec 02 05:26:43 <dick-richardson> r&d mode is enabled
Dec 02 05:26:52 <skiburr> just testing out with my DAD
Dec 02 05:27:42 <skiburr> Thinking of opening a Nokia Internet Tablet webpage Skype Community
Dec 02 05:28:07 <skiburr> it would be great to talking hackers and users alike
Dec 02 05:28:15 <skiburr> *talk to
Dec 02 05:28:42 <milhouse> IIT forums?
Dec 02 05:28:47 <milhouse> ITT even
Dec 02 05:28:59 <skiburr> well, using Skype
Dec 02 05:29:41 <milhouse> dick: did you change the password during the install?
Dec 02 05:30:41 <dick-richardson> milhouse: i wasn't prompted to do so
Dec 02 05:31:04 <milhouse> odd, i got prompted to change the root password when installing openssh-server
Dec 02 05:35:09 <jeff1f> Anyone buy a n810 from jr.com?
Dec 02 05:49:48 <Sherlockat> hello all
Dec 02 05:54:10 <Sherlockat>  so quiet
Dec 02 05:58:06 <ShyBoy> hi guys, having problem using apt-get in chinook environment
Dec 02 05:58:16 <ShyBoy> can someone help please
Dec 02 05:58:16 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > apt-get update
Dec 02 05:58:16 <ShyBoy> Ign file: chinook Release.gpg
Dec 02 05:58:16 <ShyBoy> Ign file: chinook Release
Dec 02 05:58:16 <ShyBoy> 57% [Connecting to repository.maemo.org]
Dec 02 05:58:30 <ShyBoy> it always stuck here for a while and then give the failure msg
Dec 02 06:00:29 <Sherlockat>  so quiet
Dec 02 06:00:47 <Sherlockat> do you have yout application manager on when you do that
Dec 02 06:00:48 <Sherlockat> do you have yout application manager on when you do that
Dec 02 06:00:51 <Sherlockat> ?
Dec 02 06:01:11 <Sherlockat> sorry my keyboard repeats at times
Dec 02 06:01:12 <ShyBoy> i m doing it in chinook environment on my scatchbox
Dec 02 06:01:20 <Sherlockat> ohhh
Dec 02 06:01:22 <Sherlockat> no clue then
Dec 02 06:01:32 <sp3000> "the failure msg"?
Dec 02 06:01:55 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > apt-get update
Dec 02 06:01:55 <ShyBoy> Ign file: chinook Release.gpg
Dec 02 06:01:55 <ShyBoy> Ign file: chinook Release
Dec 02 06:01:55 <ShyBoy> Err http://repository.maemo.org bora Release.gpg
Dec 02 06:01:55 <ShyBoy>   Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'
Dec 02 06:01:56 <ShyBoy> Err http://repository.maemo.org bora Release.gpg
Dec 02 06:01:58 <ShyBoy>   Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'
Dec 02 06:02:00 <ShyBoy> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/dists/bora/Release.gpg  Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'
Dec 02 06:02:03 <ShyBoy> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/bora/Release.gpg  Temporary failure resolving 'repository.maemo.org'
Dec 02 06:02:06 <ShyBoy> Reading package lists... Done
Dec 02 06:02:08 <ShyBoy> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
Dec 02 06:02:10 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] >
Dec 02 06:02:37 <sp3000> I'm pretty sure the temporary ... line will google to something useful
Dec 02 06:02:42 <GeneralAntilles> ShyBoy, it's called "pastebin". :)
Dec 02 06:02:49 <ShyBoy> which files containts the repository list?
Dec 02 06:03:01 <ShyBoy> when i check the "LS" on /etc/apt/source.list
Dec 02 06:03:09 <ShyBoy> it contains 0 bytes
Dec 02 06:03:27 <GeneralAntilles> sources.list.d
Dec 02 06:03:35 <ShyBoy> ah
Dec 02 06:03:47 <ShyBoy> are those wrong repos....?
Dec 02 06:04:03 <ShyBoy> should I manually put the links ther?
Dec 02 06:05:06 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > ls -al /etc/apt/sources.list.d
Dec 02 06:05:06 <ShyBoy> total 8
Dec 02 06:05:06 <ShyBoy> drwxr-xr-x  2 maemo maemo 4096 Nov 10 14:21 .
Dec 02 06:05:06 <ShyBoy> drwxr-xr-x  4 maemo maemo 4096 Dec  2 02:57 ..
Dec 02 06:05:06 <ShyBoy> -rw-r--r--  1 maemo maemo    0 Nov 10 14:21 hildon-application-manager.list
Dec 02 06:05:06 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] >
Dec 02 06:05:14 <sp3000> infobot: resolv.conf?
Dec 02 06:05:16 <infobot> i heard resolv.conf is http://www.stanford.edu/~riepel/dns/Not-localhost.html or http://www.tac.eu.org/cgi-bin/man-cgi?resolv.conf+5 or http://www.ntua.gr/cgi-bin/man-cgi?resolv.conf+4
Dec 02 06:05:18 <ShyBoy> this one also have 0 bytes
Dec 02 06:05:25 <skiburr> any good usb keyboard for the N800?
Dec 02 06:05:31 <sp3000> hmm, not a useful factoid
Dec 02 06:05:34 <sp3000> infobot: bad bot
Dec 02 06:05:35 <infobot> Bad bot, bad! No cookie for you!
Dec 02 06:06:10 <sp3000> ShyBoy: shove a proper resolv.conf into the scratchbox
Dec 02 06:06:23 <sp3000> so it can resolve names to ips
Dec 02 06:06:37 <sp3000> I don't remember if there mifght be another necessary step
Dec 02 06:07:13 <sp3000> this is a faq but I don't see a neat page for it
Dec 02 06:07:37 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > cat /etc/resolv.conf
Dec 02 06:07:37 <ShyBoy> nameserver 127.0.0.1
Dec 02 06:07:37 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] >
Dec 02 06:07:54 <ShyBoy> if I change the nameserver to my router's ip, u think it will resolve the issue?
Dec 02 06:08:03 <sp3000> probably
Dec 02 06:08:43 <sp3000> you probably have a working resolv.conf outside scratchbox, although a fancily network-configuring setup could do something more complicated
Dec 02 06:10:16 <ShyBoy> but how come in my N800
Dec 02 06:10:21 <ShyBoy> i have the same nameserver
Dec 02 06:10:21 <ShyBoy> Nokia-N800-44-4:/etc/apt# cat /etc/resolv.conf
Dec 02 06:10:21 <ShyBoy> nameserver 127.0.0.1
Dec 02 06:10:21 <ShyBoy> Nokia-N800-44-4:/etc/apt#
Dec 02 06:10:54 <sp3000> the tablets run their own caching nameserver
Dec 02 06:11:08 <ShyBoy> infact changing the resolv.conf in my chinook_armel also didn't fix the issue
Dec 02 06:11:17 <ShyBoy> i changed it to my router'sip
Dec 02 06:11:50 <ShyBoy> can you please guide me what to do ?
Dec 02 06:13:32 <sp3000> ShyBoy: <mgedmin>	and another trick is to check /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf (make sure mdns is not mentioned)
Dec 02 06:13:48 <zerojay> Anyone out there use hellanzb?
Dec 02 06:14:24 <zerojay> I'm considering doing a tablet frontend/remote control for it.
Dec 02 06:15:16 <ShyBoy> the /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf
Dec 02 06:15:17 <Sherlockat> i have a question
Dec 02 06:15:20 <ShyBoy> contains
Dec 02 06:15:21 <ShyBoy> hosts:          files dns
Dec 02 06:15:21 <ShyBoy> networks:       files
Dec 02 06:15:21 <ShyBoy> protocols:      db files
Dec 02 06:15:21 <ShyBoy> services:       db files
Dec 02 06:15:21 <ShyBoy> ethers:         db files
Dec 02 06:15:23 <ShyBoy> rpc:            db files
Dec 02 06:15:25 <ShyBoy> netgroup:       nis
Dec 02 06:15:33 <ShyBoy> should i suppose to have ips?
Dec 02 06:15:35 <zerojay> ShyBoy: Pastebin is your friend.
Dec 02 06:16:07 <sp3000> I guess that looks ok
Dec 02 06:16:12 <ShyBoy> zerojay: you said that earlier as well, what is pastebin? a user?
Dec 02 06:16:22 <sp3000> ShyBoy: it's a bin you paste in :)
Dec 02 06:16:28 <zerojay> ShyBoy: I've only said it once.
Dec 02 06:16:32 <sp3000> infobot: pastebin?
Dec 02 06:16:33 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste
Dec 02 06:16:45 <ShyBoy> got it
Dec 02 06:16:49 <ShyBoy> thx zerojay
Dec 02 06:16:55 <zerojay> ShyBoy: No problem.
Dec 02 06:17:35 <Sherlockat> questiopn is there a program that can connect directly tablet to tablet for example like pictochat on the nintendo DS
Dec 02 06:17:48 <Sherlockat> maybe its a silly question but just wondering
Dec 02 06:17:57 * sp3000 hasn't run into one like that
Dec 02 06:18:23 <Sherlockat> ohh ok
Dec 02 06:18:30 <ShyBoy> sp3000: the issue I am trying to resolve is, i have automake 1.8 in chinook environment, and I want to install automake 1.9 in it, so i can compile my codes, but somehow can't get it work with apt-get upate, any help will be really appriciated
Dec 02 06:19:04 <sp3000> still the temporary failure resolving foo?
Dec 02 06:19:13 <ShyBoy> i guess yes
Dec 02 06:19:49 <ShyBoy> the problem is I even can't ping in chinook prompt
Dec 02 06:20:12 <sp3000> (does it even have a ping?)
Dec 02 06:20:18 <ShyBoy> i badly need to add the repositories in the chinook enviroment, so i can grab the system packages in there
Dec 02 06:20:24 <sp3000> sure
Dec 02 06:20:37 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] > ping google.com
Dec 02 06:20:37 <ShyBoy> bash: ping: command not found
Dec 02 06:20:37 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: /] >
Dec 02 06:20:43 <sp3000> right :)
Dec 02 06:21:02 <sp3000> you can reach repository.maemo.org with a browser, right?
Dec 02 06:21:12 <ShyBoy> in my linux box yes
Dec 02 06:21:24 <sp3000> fixing resolv.conf and nsswitch.conf should fix the resolving issues, I dunno what else to do with that, I've never hit that problem myself I think
Dec 02 06:21:31 <ShyBoy> i don't know how can i check that from scratchbox prompt
Dec 02 06:22:33 <ShyBoy> i got the vmware image, i guess it should have this issue fixed by itself, but looks like either I am doing something wrong or its not there at all
Dec 02 06:23:28 <sp3000> yeah I meant from the host in general, so it's not some magical dns issue outside sbox as well
Dec 02 06:23:56 <ShyBoy> well, outside the sbox i can ping to google as well as browser opening websites
Dec 02 06:24:05 <ShyBoy> so its something inside the sbox. isn't it?
Dec 02 06:25:10 <sp3000> you could pastebin the resolv and nsswitch
Dec 02 06:25:35 <sp3000> and make sure you're editing the ones reachable from the target sbox env
Dec 02 06:26:08 <sp3000> I can't actually test since my scratchbox drive is having a partition moved for one more hour (it's been going for 7 or so :D)
Dec 02 06:27:35 <ShyBoy> http://pastebin.com/d3cfd5032
Dec 02 06:49:26 <SignalN800> hi guys
Dec 02 06:53:29 <ShyBoy> hi
Dec 02 07:05:47 <sp3000> ShyBoy: so, um, that still says 127.0.0.1
Dec 02 07:08:06 <ShyBoy> yes, when I changed it to my router's ip
Dec 02 07:08:20 <ShyBoy> there were no effect, so I change it back to 127.0.0.1
Dec 02 07:09:01 <ShyBoy> infact now, I update it
Dec 02 07:09:04 <ShyBoy> and it have two lines
Dec 02 07:09:04 <ShyBoy> nameserver 127.0.0.1
Dec 02 07:09:04 <ShyBoy> nameserver 192.168.1.1
Dec 02 07:09:15 <ShyBoy> still no effect
Dec 02 07:15:42 <truent> anyone know how to obtain the current AP the n800 is associated with?
Dec 02 07:22:05 <sp3000> gconf, /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/current
Dec 02 07:22:45 <sp3000> iow, e.g. gconftool --get /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/current
Dec 02 07:22:49 <truent> got it
Dec 02 07:22:50 <truent> thanks
Dec 02 07:22:52 <sp3000> np
Dec 02 07:23:31 <truent> lemme see if that works with a dummy ap ;p
Dec 02 07:24:18 <lopz> bye
Dec 02 07:24:56 <truent> nice
Dec 02 07:25:29 <lopz> zzZzzZzz..!!
Dec 02 07:32:00 <ShyBoy> i grab the deb for dnsmasq
Dec 02 07:32:11 <ShyBoy> how can i install it in scratchbox?
Dec 02 07:43:21 <SignalN800> guys  where i can found osso-bookmark-manu ???
Dec 02 07:43:54 <SignalN800> I need it for mozilla based browser...
Dec 02 07:52:25 <rip__> from your host system
Dec 02 07:52:50 <rip__> have a look at ur /scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf
Dec 02 07:52:59 <rip__> if your still having trouble getting apt-get to get to the internet
Dec 02 07:53:14 <rip__> i've noticed sometimes its not the same as the one you can see from inside your scratchbox install
Dec 02 07:55:12 <ShyBoy> rip__: i just solved this problem
Dec 02 07:55:27 <ShyBoy> there was a different ip under /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf file
Dec 02 07:55:40 <ShyBoy> i copied the same file from /etc/resolv.conf
Dec 02 07:55:43 <ShyBoy> and that resolve the problem
Dec 02 07:55:47 <rip__> ahh ok cool
Dec 02 07:55:52 <ShyBoy> i am trying to install the automake 1.9 now
Dec 02 07:56:40 <ShyBoy> thx  a lot, i got the hint from sp3000 about the /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf
Dec 02 07:56:49 <ShyBoy> great help at the middle of the night :)
Dec 02 07:57:12 <sp3000> alright :)
Dec 02 07:57:18 <rip__> :)
Dec 02 07:57:59 <SignalN800> somebody can help me with osso-bookmark-menu ??
Dec 02 07:58:14 <SignalN800> please..
Dec 02 07:58:51 <SignalN800> i don't found it
Dec 02 07:59:23 <SignalN800> and i need it for mozilla based browser
Dec 02 07:59:56 <ShyBoy> i still can't get the automake in my apt-get install
Dec 02 07:59:57 <ShyBoy> E: Package automake has no installation candidate
Dec 02 08:00:12 <ShyBoy> what repo i need to add, in order to install automake?
Dec 02 08:00:35 <SignalN800> I dunno
Dec 02 08:02:10 <ShyBoy> one more question: when I do the apt-get update, at the end this is what i am getting
Dec 02 08:02:12 <ShyBoy> W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org mistral Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'
Dec 02 08:02:28 <ShyBoy> specially this one
Dec 02 08:02:28 <ShyBoy> W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org chinook Release: Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory'
Dec 02 08:02:53 <ShyBoy> is there any redpill in chinook environment?
Dec 02 08:03:06 <ShyBoy> like we do enable the red pill mode in N800?
Dec 02 08:04:11 <rip__>  http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free
Dec 02 08:04:32 <rip__> for automake1.9
Dec 02 08:05:27 <ShyBoy> you mean to add this line in my sources.list deb http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free chinook user
Dec 02 08:05:28 <ShyBoy> right?
Dec 02 08:05:35 <ShyBoy> you mean to add this line in my sources.list deb http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free free user
Dec 02 08:05:50 <rip__> ahh no
Dec 02 08:06:07 <rip__> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
Dec 02 08:06:19 <ShyBoy> cool let me try, thx
Dec 02 08:06:26 <rip__> add that to /etc/apt/sources.list
Dec 02 08:06:37 <kulve> automake should be provided by by scratchbox
Dec 02 08:06:49 <ShyBoy> yes its there but 1.8
Dec 02 08:06:52 <kulve> to select a certain version, you can set a env variable
Dec 02 08:06:53 <ShyBoy> i need 1.9
Dec 02 08:07:04 <ShyBoy> hmm dunno that
Dec 02 08:07:05 <ShyBoy> how?
Dec 02 08:07:28 <rip__> by default automake1.9 isn't installed in chinook SDK
Dec 02 08:07:31 <rip__> I had to install it
Dec 02 08:07:33 <kulve> grep AUTO /scratchbox/doc/variables.txt
Dec 02 08:07:48 <kulve> [sbox-SDK_BETA_ARMEL: ~] > automake-1.9 --version
Dec 02 08:07:49 <kulve> automake (GNU automake) 1.9.5
Dec 02 08:07:51 <kulve> rip__: isn't it?
Dec 02 08:08:01 <rip__> I just installed it about 2 min ago
Dec 02 08:08:25 <rip__> The following NEW packages will be installed:
Dec 02 08:08:26 <rip__>   automake1.9 autotools-dev
Dec 02 08:08:26 <rip__> 0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Dec 02 08:08:26 <rip__> Need to get 562kB of archives.
Dec 02 08:09:27 <kulve> it's a different thing to have it as a "host tool" than install it as an armel deb
Dec 02 08:10:14 <rip__> ahh ok, sorry, I just thought that it would of been part of the packages if it was installed by default
Dec 02 08:10:45 <kulve> [sbox-SDK_BETA_ARMEL: ~] > export SBOX_DEFAULT_AUTOMAKE=1.9
Dec 02 08:10:45 <kulve> [sbox-SDK_BETA_ARMEL: ~] > automake --version
Dec 02 08:10:45 <kulve> automake (GNU automake) 1.9.5
Dec 02 08:11:21 <rip__> ahh ok my mistake
Dec 02 08:11:35 <ShyBoy> got it installed
Dec 02 08:11:48 <ShyBoy> now when I was compiling the codes, this error came up
Dec 02 08:11:49 <ShyBoy> configure: error: "libspeex header not found"
Dec 02 08:12:18 <kulve> if you have something as a "host tool" it's run as x86 binary instead of being emulated through qemu/sbrsh and it's thus significantly faster
Dec 02 08:12:31 <kulve> ShyBoy: speex? what are you installing?
Dec 02 08:12:52 <ShyBoy> its a library i m trying to install
Dec 02 08:13:02 <ShyBoy> the libseex is available here http://www.speex.org/downloads/
Dec 02 08:13:11 <kulve> ShyBoy: my ogg-support includes speex
Dec 02 08:13:29 <ShyBoy> so i can just install ogg-support?
Dec 02 08:13:33 <kulve> hmm..
Dec 02 08:13:52 <kulve> that will install only the binary, not the -dev. But if you add my repo, there should be the -devs too
Dec 02 08:14:10 <ShyBoy> what is the link?
Dec 02 08:14:10 <kulve> http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/
Dec 02 08:14:35 <ShyBoy> deb http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/ free user
Dec 02 08:14:41 <ShyBoy> is that correct?
Dec 02 08:14:42 <kulve> nope
Dec 02 08:14:52 <kulve> that was the home page for ogg-support..
Dec 02 08:15:09 <ShyBoy> http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian
Dec 02 08:15:27 <ShyBoy> deb http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian chinook maemo
Dec 02 08:15:30 <ShyBoy> right?
Dec 02 08:15:33 <kulve> I think so
Dec 02 08:22:12 <SignalN800> how i can solv the public key for http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian ??
Dec 02 08:22:46 <ShyBoy> what do i do after make install?
Dec 02 08:22:55 <ShyBoy> upto here i am good and no error
Dec 02 08:22:58 <ShyBoy> whats next
Dec 02 08:24:16 <kulve> http://tuomas.kulve.fi/pgp.txt
Dec 02 08:24:31 <kulve> but I'm not sure what's the easiest way to get that to the device (or sb)
Dec 02 08:24:48 <kulve> ShyBoy: so, you got the -dev installed?
Dec 02 08:25:14 <kulve> speex-dev that is
Dec 02 08:25:32 <SignalN800> tyy man
Dec 02 08:25:40 <ShyBoy> no it was complaining about libogg
Dec 02 08:25:49 <ShyBoy> i download the sources and compile that
Dec 02 08:25:55 <ShyBoy> until here I did
Dec 02 08:25:57 <kulve> ShyBoy: hmm.. libogg-dev should be there as well
Dec 02 08:25:58 <ShyBoy> make and then make install
Dec 02 08:26:22 <ShyBoy> yes its installing now
Dec 02 08:26:25 <kulve> and with debs you should do "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" instead of make/make install
Dec 02 08:26:25 <ShyBoy> forgot that
Dec 02 08:27:05 <kulve> "apt-get builddeb libspeex-dev" should install the build dependencies for package libspeex-dev
Dec 02 08:28:39 <ShyBoy> libogg-dev is there
Dec 02 08:28:50 <ShyBoy> but my source compile is still complaining about
Dec 02 08:29:04 <ShyBoy> configure: error: "libspeex header not found"
Dec 02 08:31:31 <kulve> [sbox-SDK_BETA_ARMEL: ~] > gpg
Dec 02 08:31:31 <kulve> bash: gpg: command not found
Dec 02 08:31:34 <kulve> :/
Dec 02 08:33:23 <kulve> ShyBoy: hmm.. what header is it looking for?
Dec 02 08:34:00 <ShyBoy> checking for expat.h... yes
Dec 02 08:34:00 <ShyBoy> checking speex.h usability... no
Dec 02 08:34:00 <ShyBoy> checking speex.h presence... no
Dec 02 08:34:00 <ShyBoy> checking for speex.h... no
Dec 02 08:34:00 <ShyBoy> configure: error: "libspeex header not found"
Dec 02 08:34:19 <kulve> [sbox-SDK_BETA_ARMEL: ~] > dpkg -L libspeex-dev | grep speex.h
Dec 02 08:34:19 <kulve> /usr/include/speex/speex.h
Dec 02 08:34:27 <kulve> do you have that one?
Dec 02 08:34:53 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > dpkg -L libspeex-dev | grep speex.h
Dec 02 08:34:53 <ShyBoy> /usr/include/speex/speex.h
Dec 02 08:34:53 <ShyBoy> /usr/include/speex/speex_header.h
Dec 02 08:34:53 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] >
Dec 02 08:35:20 <kulve> hmm..
Dec 02 08:35:23 <ShyBoy> this command is telling me yes
Dec 02 08:35:35 <kulve> it seems that it should check for speex/speex.h and not just speex.h?
Dec 02 08:36:19 <ShyBoy> so do i have any luck to install this?
Dec 02 08:36:28 <ShyBoy> modify the codes?
Dec 02 08:36:32 <kulve> edit the configure.ac in your package
Dec 02 08:36:39 <kulve> run autogen.sh and try again..
Dec 02 08:37:06 <ShyBoy> :-)
Dec 02 08:37:08 <kulve> that may not be enough though, if the same thing is repeated in the actual code..
Dec 02 08:37:09 <ShyBoy> not that expert man
Dec 02 08:37:15 <ShyBoy> how to I run the autogen.sh?
Dec 02 08:37:40 <kulve> your package should have one in its root dir..
Dec 02 08:37:44 <kulve> i.e.: ./autogen.sh
Dec 02 08:37:49 <ShyBoy> no its not here
Dec 02 08:37:51 <ShyBoy> i tried that
Dec 02 08:38:17 <kulve> autoreconf --force --install
Dec 02 08:38:28 <kulve> my autogen.sh has only that line..
Dec 02 08:39:13 <ShyBoy> http://pastebin.com/daff6261
Dec 02 08:39:24 <ShyBoy> kulve i paste the result there
Dec 02 08:39:45 <kulve> those seems to be warnings only
Dec 02 08:39:56 <ShyBoy> ok so whats next then
Dec 02 08:40:10 <ShyBoy> if its only warning then, i guess i can make and make install right?
Dec 02 08:40:23 <kulve> did you run "configure" when you got that speex missing error?
Dec 02 08:40:30 <ShyBoy> yes
Dec 02 08:40:37 <kulve> autogen.sh usually creates configure, so next thing is to run it
Dec 02 08:40:48 <kulve> after running configure, you can run make and make install
Dec 02 08:41:18 <ShyBoy> again got stuck on this
Dec 02 08:41:18 <ShyBoy> checking speex.h usability... no
Dec 02 08:41:18 <ShyBoy> checking speex.h presence... no
Dec 02 08:41:18 <ShyBoy> checking for speex.h... no
Dec 02 08:41:18 <ShyBoy> configure: error: "libspeex header not found"
Dec 02 08:41:18 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] >
Dec 02 08:41:22 <ShyBoy> same thing
Dec 02 08:41:36 <kulve> did you edit the configure.ac..?
Dec 02 08:41:52 <ShyBoy> let me try
Dec 02 08:41:55 <ShyBoy> what should i look for?
Dec 02 08:42:00 <kulve> speex.h
Dec 02 08:42:13 <ShyBoy> any particular file?
Dec 02 08:42:19 <kulve> configure.ac
Dec 02 08:42:47 <ShyBoy> i got configure.in
Dec 02 08:42:52 <ShyBoy> configure.sub
Dec 02 08:42:58 <ShyBoy> not configure.ac
Dec 02 08:43:04 <kulve> if there is no configure.ac, then edit the .in
Dec 02 08:43:41 <ShyBoy> here are the codes
Dec 02 08:43:41 <ShyBoy> http://pastebin.com/d13833a83
Dec 02 08:43:49 <ShyBoy> but nowhere speex.h
Dec 02 08:44:08 <kulve> AC_CHECK_HEADER(speex.h -> AC_CHECK_HEADER(speex/speex.h
Dec 02 08:44:27 <kulve> bbiam
Dec 02 08:45:01 <ShyBoy> ok
Dec 02 08:45:05 <ShyBoy> did the configure again
Dec 02 08:45:26 <ShyBoy> now this error
Dec 02 08:45:27 <ShyBoy> configure: error: "libspeex header not found"
Dec 02 08:45:38 <ShyBoy> which is same
Dec 02 08:45:49 <ShyBoy> it means that line is on more than one  palces
Dec 02 08:52:32 <ShyBoy> i also changed those lines as well
Dec 02 08:52:32 <ShyBoy> #include <speex/speex.h>
Dec 02 08:52:32 <ShyBoy> #include <speex/speex_header.h>
Dec 02 08:52:32 <ShyBoy> #include <speex/speex_stereo.h>
Dec 02 08:52:32 <ShyBoy> #include <speex/speex_callbacks.h>
Dec 02 08:52:41 <kulve> did you run the autoreconf after editing the configure?
Dec 02 08:52:41 <ShyBoy> now, ./configure works fine
Dec 02 08:52:44 <kulve> ah, ok
Dec 02 08:52:48 <ShyBoy> got error on make
Dec 02 08:52:52 <kulve> ah
Dec 02 08:53:22 <ShyBoy> quran.h:33:29: speex_callbacks.h: No such file or directory
Dec 02 08:53:22 <ShyBoy> In file included from globals.c:25:
Dec 02 08:53:22 <ShyBoy> quran.h:177: error: syntax error before "SpeexBits"
Dec 02 08:53:35 <ShyBoy> so the last include which was speex)callbacks.h
Dec 02 08:53:43 <ShyBoy> i think that one is missing somehow
Dec 02 08:53:51 <ShyBoy> am i on the right track?
Dec 02 08:54:03 <kulve> I think so :)
Dec 02 08:54:24 <ShyBoy> anyway to bypass this thing?
Dec 02 08:54:33 <ShyBoy> or to grab this file?
Dec 02 08:55:45 <kulve> where is that quran.h?
Dec 02 08:55:52 <kulve> edit it to have the speex/ too?
Dec 02 08:56:03 <ShyBoy> k
Dec 02 08:56:54 <kulve> the speex subdirectory seems to be correct in old and in new speex versions.. So adding it to the code is the right thing to do, I guess
Dec 02 08:58:18 <ShyBoy> now this error
Dec 02 08:58:19 <ShyBoy> http://pastebin.com/d63cd273
Dec 02 08:59:25 <kulve> hmm..
Dec 02 08:59:31 <kulve> that gcc line looks odd..
Dec 02 08:59:47 <kulve> it should include e.g. ogg, like it does with speex, i.e. -logg..
Dec 02 09:00:15 <kulve> that error is because somebody calls that funtion, but the library it's in, is not linked in..
Dec 02 09:00:30 <kulve> and I'm sorry, but I'll have to leave now..
Dec 02 09:00:52 <ShyBoy> thx alot kulve i really appricaite your help
Dec 02 09:00:54 <ShyBoy> thx alot
Dec 02 09:00:56 <kulve> np
Dec 02 09:01:01 <ShyBoy> last question before u leave
Dec 02 09:01:13 <ShyBoy> after make install, it will be installed automatically?
Dec 02 09:01:17 <kulve> I think the le_short is not speex-related, maybe ogg..
Dec 02 09:01:30 <kulve> "installed automatically"?
Dec 02 09:01:46 <ShyBoy> i mean, what do i have to do if i cross this "make install"
Dec 02 09:01:50 <ShyBoy> whast the next step
Dec 02 09:01:58 <kulve> you need to make a .deb from it and install that to the device (with all the dependencies)
Dec 02 09:01:59 <ShyBoy> will it give me the .deb file?
Dec 02 09:02:17 <ShyBoy> what is the command to make .deb?
Dec 02 09:02:22 <kulve> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot makes a .deb if you have proper /debian directory in your package
Dec 02 09:02:33 <ShyBoy> k, thx man
Dec 02 09:02:39 <ShyBoy> appricaite your help, thx alot
Dec 02 09:02:43 <kulve> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html
Dec 02 09:02:49 <ShyBoy> cool
Dec 02 09:04:38 <K`zan> Night folks.
Dec 02 09:06:12 <kulve> I just woke up..
Dec 02 09:06:32 <hugolp> kulve:  me too
Dec 02 09:06:35 <hugolp> good morning
Dec 02 09:12:48 <ShyBoy> ok, i finally get rid of the errors and make install didn't giv eme any error
Dec 02 09:13:18 <ShyBoy> but now its giving me this
Dec 02 09:13:18 <ShyBoy> dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
Dec 02 09:13:18 <ShyBoy> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
Dec 02 09:13:40 <ShyBoy> my command was dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
Dec 02 09:32:38 <rocketman> Anyone got a build of Xchat that will run on OS 2008?
Dec 02 09:32:56 <rocketman> The ones that I've seen seem to require libraries that have been deprecated
Dec 02 09:35:18 <GeneralAntilles> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Dec 02 09:37:01 <rocketman> Thanks a bunch!
Dec 02 09:37:03 <rip__> yep im currently using skyhusker's xchat for OS2008, works pretty well
Dec 02 09:38:30 <rocketman> I know that people have probably ported a lot of stuff and just haven't released it formally yet
Dec 02 09:38:35 <rocketman> Any other hidden gems?
Dec 02 09:39:18 <rip__> yes im chasing wireless-tools for OS2008
Dec 02 09:39:28 <rip__> thats the gem i'm currently looking for
Dec 02 09:39:39 <rip__> and can't currently get MUD to build it
Dec 02 09:41:49 <ShyBoy> can someone help me with this
Dec 02 09:41:54 <ShyBoy> i m here rightnow
Dec 02 09:42:00 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > ./config.status
Dec 02 09:42:00 <ShyBoy> config.status: creating Makefile
Dec 02 09:42:00 <ShyBoy> config.status: creating config.h
Dec 02 09:42:00 <ShyBoy> config.status: config.h is unchanged
Dec 02 09:42:00 <ShyBoy> config.status: executing depfiles commands
Dec 02 09:42:00 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] >
Dec 02 09:42:14 <rocketman> I suspect Mullinger.org will probably have wireless-tools for n810 shortly
Dec 02 09:42:25 <rocketman> http://www.mulliner.org/nokia770/repository/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/
Dec 02 09:42:28 <ShyBoy> when i run
Dec 02 09:42:30 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] > dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
Dec 02 09:42:31 <ShyBoy> dpkg-parsechangelog: error: cannot open debian/changelog to find format: No such file or directory
Dec 02 09:42:31 <ShyBoy> dpkg-buildpackage: unable to determine source package is
Dec 02 09:42:31 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/libquran-0.3] >
Dec 02 09:42:32 <rocketman> mulliner, rather
Dec 02 09:42:44 <ShyBoy> what i m missing here?
Dec 02 09:43:17 <ShyBoy> rocketman: the wireless-tools are in repo... if you switch to redpill mode
Dec 02 09:43:50 <rocketman> Ah, in extras or something?
Dec 02 09:44:08 <rocketman> I am more of a why didn't I just swallow the blue pill kinda guy
Dec 02 09:44:10 <ShyBoy> i think in extras, not sure, but i installed it last night
Dec 02 09:44:39 <rocketman> could you export the .deb for us?
Dec 02 09:44:51 <ShyBoy> if you tell me how :)
Dec 02 09:45:55 <rocketman> Doesn't apt cache debs by default?
Dec 02 09:46:02 <ShyBoy> the complete name is "wireless-tools28-1.osso1"
Dec 02 09:46:41 <ShyBoy> i don't know that
Dec 02 09:47:15 <rocketman> Might be something like /var/cache/apt/archives
Dec 02 09:47:29 <rocketman> sec, will search for it on my n810
Dec 02 09:47:50 <rip__> weird, im on the command line of apt and can't see the wireless-tools28-1.osso1
Dec 02 09:48:05 <rip__> you really have to be in red-pill mode to see all of them even in command line ?
Dec 02 09:48:23 <rip__> I thought red-pill only hid them from the gui package manager
Dec 02 09:48:47 <ShyBoy> I think redpill show the hidden in gui application manager
Dec 02 09:49:09 <rocketman> not finding any stored debs in /var/cache/apt/archives although the directory exists
Dec 02 09:49:37 <ShyBoy> rocketman: same here
Dec 02 09:50:40 <hugolp> rocketman:  maybe in the N800 the deb files get deleted to save space?
Dec 02 09:50:47 <rip__> I can see the libs for wireless-tools
Dec 02 09:51:05 <rip__> but not the actual package that gives 'iwconfig' etc
Dec 02 09:52:13 <ShyBoy> i don't know about that
Dec 02 09:52:30 <ShyBoy> i saw the wirelesstools in my application manager, so i just point that out
Dec 02 09:52:34 <rocketman> I found some
Dec 02 09:52:52 <rocketman> I did "find / -name *deb"
Dec 02 09:53:00 <rocketman> and found them in var/tmp/
Dec 02 09:54:30 <ShyBoy> Nokia-N800-44-4:/var/tmp# ls -al
Dec 02 09:54:30 <ShyBoy> drwxrwxrwt    2 root     root            0 Dec  1 17:19 .
Dec 02 09:54:30 <ShyBoy> drwxr-xr-x   12 root     root            0 Jan  1  1970 ..
Dec 02 09:54:30 <ShyBoy> Nokia-N800-44-4:/var/tmp#
Dec 02 09:54:53 <rocketman> This is on an N810 btw
Dec 02 09:55:04 <rocketman> try doing the search I did above
Dec 02 09:55:06 <ShyBoy> mine is on n800 with os2008
Dec 02 09:55:10 <rocketman> might be located elsewhere
Dec 02 09:55:20 <rocketman> Might also only be .deb files since last reboot
Dec 02 09:55:22 <rocketman> or some such
Dec 02 09:55:44 <rocketman> wouldn't surprise me if there is some script which culls .debs and man pages and the like
Dec 02 09:57:29 <ShyBoy> is there a way to  dpkg-buildpackage if have no changelog?
Dec 02 09:58:22 <rocketman> brb, switching to my n810
Dec 02 09:58:35 <rip__> check out the program called 'Mud'
Dec 02 09:58:57 <rip__> its designed to help build packages for Maemo from source files or from debian apt-get repository
Dec 02 09:59:24 <rip__> http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/
Dec 02 09:59:41 <rip__> I just used it to create OLSRD, and OLSRD-PLUGINS for my Maemo
Dec 02 09:59:42 <ShyBoy> thx
Dec 02 10:01:05 <hugolp> Anyone is using mysql on OS2008?
Dec 02 10:01:24 <hugolp> Im trying the debs from the Gmyth project but I get 1 error
Dec 02 10:01:36 <rip__> nope sorry
Dec 02 10:01:36 <hugolp> *MaemoMyth project
Dec 02 10:02:02 <Rocketman> On my n810 now
Dec 02 10:03:09 <android> hi!
Dec 02 10:03:13 <rip__> :)
Dec 02 10:03:14 <rip__> hi
Dec 02 10:04:04 <android> hey, I need libbz2-1.0 for OS2008, do you know where I can found it?
Dec 02 10:04:39 <android> OS2008 is great, I use it on my N800
Dec 02 10:07:35 <rip__> its already installed on the OS2008 Beta for N800 I beleive
Dec 02 10:07:46 <rip__> well, its installed on mine and I don't remember installing it
Dec 02 10:08:47 <rip__> but if your just after the deb
Dec 02 10:08:50 <rip__> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/b/bzip2/libbz2-1.0_1.0.3-1_armel.deb
Dec 02 10:09:26 <android> ok thank you
Dec 02 10:09:38 <rip__> np
Dec 02 10:10:32 <Rocketman> Ah looks like you can get wireless tools deb from that repository
Dec 02 10:12:52 <rip__> from the standard maemo repository ?
Dec 02 10:13:27 <ShyBoy> time to sleep 5:13AM
Dec 02 10:13:43 <ShyBoy> good nite
Dec 02 10:13:57 <rip__> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/w/wireless-tools/
Dec 02 10:14:02 <rip__> only the libs are available
Dec 02 10:14:05 <rip__> :(
Dec 02 10:14:34 <rip__> and I can't seem to build it with MUD either, which is a shame
Dec 02 10:14:52 <Rocketman> doh, you are right!
Dec 02 10:15:20 <android> rip, please how can I add this repository to my system?
Dec 02 10:15:52 <rip__> err what repository ?
Dec 02 10:16:03 <rip__> the maemo ones ?
Dec 02 10:16:13 <rip__> use ur package manager in OS2008
Dec 02 10:16:25 <rip__> im pretty sure there is doco on it on maemo
Dec 02 10:16:47 <android> I added  http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free, but it dont works
Dec 02 10:18:10 <rip__> you can one click install them with this website
Dec 02 10:18:12 <rip__> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/
Dec 02 10:18:32 <rip__> have a read of the different repositorys and select ones you like
Dec 02 10:18:37 <rip__> it was a life saver for me :)
Dec 02 10:20:17 <android> yes but there is no repository for chinook
Dec 02 10:21:30 <Yusei> hi
Dec 02 10:21:53 <android> sorry , just have to click on OS2008
Dec 02 10:22:56 <Yusei> I've just installed the beta release of os2008, and most things seem to work.. except that the browser crashes when I'm going to maemo, in order to download additional software... is this a known bug ?
Dec 02 10:23:17 <Yusei> it's kind of ironic that every other website I tried worked :)
Dec 02 10:25:38 <android> Yusei,  I dont have this problem
Dec 02 10:26:57 <Yusei> maybe restoring parameters from a backup of os2007 had a side effect
Dec 02 10:27:59 <android> it's possible, I dont use the restoring tool
Dec 02 10:28:53 <Yusei> I'll try to look into that. What is the proper way to report a bug, if I find anything interesting ?
Dec 02 10:32:59 <hugolp> Yusei:  I did the same as you yesterday and maemo webpage semms fine
Dec 02 10:33:15 <hugolp> the webbrowser hasnt crash a single time
Dec 02 10:33:17 <Yusei> including the download section ?
Dec 02 10:33:41 <Rocketman> I've had numerous problems when restoring backups after a flash
Dec 02 10:34:07 <Rocketman> Clean flashing is the only way to go imo
Dec 02 10:34:26 <Yusei> I'll flash it again and see, then
Dec 02 10:34:29 <Yusei> thanks
Dec 02 10:40:08 <Yusei> it works after a reflash, thanks
Dec 02 10:40:51 <bedboi> hi there.
Dec 02 10:43:44 <hugolp> for the ones that were looking for a wifi tool for OS2008 in the aderenen.de repository listed at http://gronmayer.com/it theres a packet  called wifi info. Havent tried, but you may want to check.
Dec 02 10:49:56 <rip__> android : http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4
Dec 02 10:49:58 <rip__> that is chinook
Dec 02 10:50:00 <rip__> OS2008
Dec 02 11:14:02 * pupnik_ wishes Arena or Daggerfall were open-sourced
Dec 02 11:17:26 <glass_> hehe yeah that would be fun
Dec 02 11:17:48 <glass_> are any of the ultima underworld engines finished enough that they're playable?
Dec 02 11:26:43 <pupnik_> no
Dec 02 11:26:44 <pupnik_> :(
Dec 02 11:27:09 <pupnik_> wish someone would do one based on the quake engine
Dec 02 11:27:33 <glass_> hmm yeah i guess no point in inventing the actual engine itself again
Dec 02 11:27:51 <glass_> 3d engine that is
Dec 02 11:28:08 <pupnik_> there are a couple with working 3d engines - just the game mechanics aren't finished
Dec 02 11:28:17 <pupnik_> and i doubt those 3d engines are as efficient as quake
Dec 02 11:28:21 <glass_> yea thats what i read last time i looked into
Dec 02 11:28:50 <pupnik_> what a wonderful company Id software is - open sourcing their games, supporting linux and OpenGL
Dec 02 11:29:34 <glass_> uw's could be pretty playable with touchscreen+some buttons tho
Dec 02 11:29:43 <[pablo]> anyone know why maemo launcher uses up so much memory?
Dec 02 11:31:06 <[pablo]> after a fresh boot running nothing but an xterm my n810 is swapping already
Dec 02 11:37:51 <pupnik_> glass_: any thoughts on why xkbd virtual doesn't send keyboard events to SDL apps when they're in fullscreen mode, but it does when they're not fullscreen?
Dec 02 11:38:12 <Rocketman> If you run top you will find a ton of stuff running
Dec 02 11:38:42 <Rocketman> they really need to put 256MB in these things
Dec 02 11:38:57 <[pablo]> i did, maemo-launcher was using 25% of my ram
Dec 02 11:39:29 <[pablo]> it also starts a bunch of stuff that doesn't need to be started, like the mediaplayer-ui
Dec 02 11:42:21 <GeneralAntilles> I wouldn't worry about it taking up memory.
Dec 02 11:42:26 <GeneralAntilles> If something needs memory, it will get it.
Dec 02 11:43:57 <pupnik_> so much to do, so little skillz
Dec 02 11:44:25 <[pablo]> i was downloading a file and it died because there was not enough ram heh
Dec 02 11:44:29 <[pablo]> i never noticed before
Dec 02 11:44:54 <pupnik_> ram takes battery power
Dec 02 11:45:28 <[pablo]> ..
Dec 02 11:46:44 <pupnik_> so Nokia N9x0 might have more than 128MB.  Not sure.  If they want to allow OpenGL, then they damn well better put 256MB in the thing, and use a thicker battery if needed.
Dec 02 11:47:25 <pupnik_> on the other hand slim devices = sexy
Dec 02 11:47:49 <pupnik_> many tradeoffs in a portable computer
Dec 02 11:48:08 <GeneralAntilles> There's no way the RAM isn't going up with the N900
Dec 02 11:49:30 <pupnik_> heh
Dec 02 11:49:40 <pupnik_> my first portable:
Dec 02 11:49:42 <pupnik_> http://www.silicium.org/ibm/z171.htm
Dec 02 11:49:46 <GeneralAntilles> Slimness is overrated
Dec 02 11:49:54 <GeneralAntilles> I'd rather have my SD slots.
Dec 02 11:50:47 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, my first (second hand) portable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIc_Plus
Dec 02 11:51:08 <[pablo]> yeah, slimness is overrated as well I think
Dec 02 11:51:51 <GeneralAntilles> If it fits in my pocket
Dec 02 11:51:53 <pupnik_> NICE!  i have a IIc too :)  found it in a basement
Dec 02 11:52:13 <[pablo]> make the n810 1/3rd thicker and 50% taller/wider you get bigger screen, larger keys, bigger battery, more horsepower, same battery life ... sounds good to me
Dec 02 11:52:49 <GeneralAntilles> 50% taller/wider?
Dec 02 11:52:57 <GeneralAntilles> How big are your pockets? O_o
Dec 02 11:52:59 <khertan> my first portable : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_Portable
Dec 02 11:53:07 <GeneralAntilles> taller and wider are bad
Dec 02 11:53:10 <[pablo]> cargo pockets =)
Dec 02 11:53:11 <GeneralAntilles> thicker is fine
Dec 02 11:53:20 <GeneralAntilles> I could deal just fine with something as thick as the N800's hump.
Dec 02 11:53:24 <rip__> cargo pants ?
Dec 02 11:53:30 <rip__> what are you a hippy :p
Dec 02 11:53:37 <rip__> mull pockets ;)
Dec 02 11:53:45 <[pablo]> no, i just carry lots of shit lol
Dec 02 11:53:49 <rip__> lol
Dec 02 11:53:51 <[pablo]> mull pockets?
Dec 02 11:54:04 <[pablo]> and omg cargo pants are so comfortable
Dec 02 11:54:12 <[pablo]> and i can get away with them at work
Dec 02 11:54:17 <[pablo]> i'm a huge fan
Dec 02 11:54:20 <rip__> cargo pant pockets = mull pockets :p to hide the dope in
Dec 02 11:54:32 <pupnik_> nice khertan
Dec 02 11:54:36 <[pablo]> lol
Dec 02 11:54:51 <khertan> maybe this : http://www.dockers.com/mobilepant/mobile_locator.html
Dec 02 11:54:59 <[pablo]> and even still, who says it has to be a pocketable device?
Dec 02 11:55:00 <GeneralAntilles> My IIc+ is in a landfill somewhere, along with a 128k and a Mac IIci. :(
Dec 02 11:55:11 <GeneralAntilles> Dad went on a rampage and threw out all my old machines in 2002.
Dec 02 11:55:32 <khertan> i still have my IIsi and my macplus :)
Dec 02 11:55:35 <[pablo]> and 50% wider is only like 2.5 inches
Dec 02 11:55:42 <[pablo]> that would make it as long as the nokia e90
Dec 02 11:55:47 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh
Dec 02 11:55:49 <GeneralAntilles> No thanks
Dec 02 11:56:00 <khertan> do u know that minivmac run on n800 :)
Dec 02 11:56:16 <GeneralAntilles> I have to keep this thing in a pocket with my cellphone and (sometimes) a bluetooth GPS
Dec 02 11:56:20 <khertan> u can run system up to macos 7 :)
Dec 02 11:56:21 <GeneralAntilles> wider and taller are not options.
Dec 02 11:56:47 <GeneralAntilles> Too bad I don't have any reason to, khertan. ;)
Dec 02 11:56:52 <[pablo]> for me they are better options =)
Dec 02 11:57:16 <pupnik_> some older people would buy larger tablets, for readability - but i don't think it's a big enough market yet
Dec 02 11:57:23 <GeneralAntilles> Buy yourself one of those new ASUS doohickies, then.
Dec 02 11:57:34 <[pablo]> the eee is to big
Dec 02 11:57:43 <[pablo]> and for as big as it is it should have way more horsepower
Dec 02 11:58:00 <[pablo]> and a higher resolution than the n810
Dec 02 11:58:04 <GeneralAntilles> No, not the Eee
Dec 02 11:58:23 <[pablo]> not the eee?
Dec 02 11:58:34 <[pablo]> asus came out with another portable computer?
Dec 02 11:58:54 <GeneralAntilles> Let me find it.
Dec 02 12:00:42 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11993
Dec 02 12:01:29 <khertan> 1024 x 600 screen
Dec 02 12:01:38 <khertan> 4.8-inch
Dec 02 12:01:46 <[pablo]> seems a good screen, but it runs window s=/
Dec 02 12:01:56 <[pablo]> s/screen/size
Dec 02 12:02:07 <konttori> hi.
Dec 02 12:02:18 <konttori> how do I define the 'big' icon in the .desktop file?
Dec 02 12:02:23 <GeneralAntilles> 'morning, konttori.
Dec 02 12:02:29 <konttori> morning general
Dec 02 12:02:44 <khertan> no wifi no bluetooth but this : 3G/ 3.5G connectivity
Dec 02 12:02:45 <khertan> burk
Dec 02 12:02:50 * konttori was just about to update the ukmp icon to be the 'big' one. 
Dec 02 12:03:21 <[pablo]> it doesn't have wifi or bluetooth?
Dec 02 12:03:22 * khertan think he should do the same things for his applications
Dec 02 12:03:22 <konttori> I put 64x64 icon as the default icon, but that was just scaled down to the 26x26 size that is the 'small icon' size
Dec 02 12:04:22 <GeneralAntilles> A bigger screen would be nice, but it would put it out of the IT range and into the UMPC range.
Dec 02 12:04:39 <GeneralAntilles> and I don't think a full-face screen makes sense for the NITs.
Dec 02 12:05:26 <konttori> any ideas on how to get the full size icon?
Dec 02 12:05:38 <konttori> does it just have to be specific size or something like that?
Dec 02 12:06:08 <GNUton> Hi
Dec 02 12:06:32 <GeneralAntilles> Can you poke one of the .desktop files of an app with a full size icon?
Dec 02 12:09:26 <pupnik_> hah just looked at the htc shift with x86 cpu - 2.5 hours battery while editing text
Dec 02 12:09:55 <pupnik_> konttori: sorry no
Dec 02 12:09:59 <GeneralAntilles> Awesome.
Dec 02 12:10:12 <konttori> maemopadplus has: Icon=maemopadplus
Dec 02 12:10:12 <konttori> X-Window-Icon=maemopadplus
Dec 02 12:10:12 <konttori> X-Window-Icon-Dimmed=maemopadplus
Dec 02 12:10:29 <konttori> So, I'll try out setting the x-window-icon
Dec 02 12:14:58 <konttori> nope, wasn't that.
Dec 02 12:15:55 <GeneralAntilles> Try matching the image file to the maemopadplus image file?
Dec 02 12:17:46 <konttori> hmm... maybe I have the png in the wrong location. I put it to pixmaps.
Dec 02 12:17:58 <konttori> is there alternative location that it should be in?
Dec 02 12:24:59 <konttori> ok, I copied the icon to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/apps/64x64  ...  Resulted in.... no change whatsoever. damn.
Dec 02 12:26:06 <glass_> pupnik_: "the always on mobile computer"
Dec 02 12:27:03 <glass_> oh it was "always connected" not "on
Dec 02 12:27:09 <pupnik_> I'm a warrior for arm+linux against x86+windows
Dec 02 12:27:12 <pupnik_> heh
Dec 02 12:30:54 <konttori> correction: the 64x64 copying seemed to have fixed the problem.
Dec 02 12:31:21 <konttori> So, there should be an icon in the 64x64 for aplication to have the large icon
Dec 02 12:34:55 <pupnik> konttori: where is such a large icon displayed?  Are you porting to os2008?
Dec 02 12:35:10 <konttori> it's displayed in the task launcher
Dec 02 12:35:23 <konttori> yeah, it's for the os2008
Dec 02 12:36:19 <pupnik> ok
Dec 02 12:36:50 <khertan> konttori: thx for the information ! i'll not search when i ll make the next release of PyGTKEditor and PyPackager :)
Dec 02 12:37:07 <khertan> does someone use PyGTKEditor ?
Dec 02 12:37:32 <konttori> I think some do. and it should be really useful with n810 that has the kb
Dec 02 12:37:43 <konttori> it's really viable to develop on the device itself with the kb
Dec 02 12:37:53 <konttori> pypackager rocks
Dec 02 12:38:19 <khertan> i ll already develop without keyboard ;) PyPackager and PyGTKEditor is developped onboard :)
Dec 02 12:38:32 <khertan> "pypackager rocks" > Thanks
Dec 02 12:39:02 <khertan> but when i ll get my discounted n810 i think i ll develop faster :)
Dec 02 12:39:05 <konttori> it would be really cool if it could do the last step as well (upload to extras)
Dec 02 12:39:34 <khertan> konttori: i 'm studying this ... but dput isn't available on n800 ...
Dec 02 12:39:47 <konttori> maybe someone can compile it for you
Dec 02 12:40:12 <khertan> and i think i should take a look on the source code to see how it's work
Dec 02 12:40:28 <khertan> maybe someone can compile it for you > it would be great :)
Dec 02 12:40:48 <khertan> it's raining again and again outdoor ... pfffff
Dec 02 12:41:33 <pupnik> a nice drawing / sketching app would be good to have
Dec 02 12:41:44 <pupnik> if anyone is looking for a project to catapult them to fame and fortune
Dec 02 12:41:48 <pupnik> mtpaint
Dec 02 12:41:48 <pupnik> :)
Dec 02 12:42:28 <pupnik> i think i'll write the mtpaint author again and demand he buy a n770-n810
Dec 02 12:43:43 <khertan> i need to reproduce debsign too to be able to upload package to extra repository
Dec 02 12:45:52 <khertan> What i don't understand well in the uploading to extra repository process is why you must sign a .change file and why you upload this change file instead of the debian package
Dec 02 12:48:06 <khertan> http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html
Dec 02 12:51:48 <kulve> uploading the .changes, it will upload the sources and all the binary packages
Dec 02 12:51:50 <kulve> (afaik)
Dec 02 12:52:13 <khertan> yes .... but what contain this .change ...
Dec 02 12:52:23 <khertan> i only create .deb with pypackager
Dec 02 12:52:47 <khertan> is there a documentation somewhere of the structure of this .change ?
Dec 02 12:52:58 <kulve> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot should build all the necessary files
Dec 02 12:53:04 <kulve> including the .changes
Dec 02 12:53:21 <khertan> dpkg-buildpackage isn't available on the it ...
Dec 02 12:53:31 <khertan> it s why i ve created pypackager
Dec 02 12:53:31 <kulve> "on the it"?
Dec 02 12:53:58 <kulve> you mean on the device itself?
Dec 02 12:54:00 <khertan> the purpose is to add a feature to upload package on extra from the internet tablet :)
Dec 02 12:54:11 <khertan> kulve: on the device itself yes :)
Dec 02 12:54:14 <kulve> that sounds a bit painful..
Dec 02 12:54:26 <khertan> no ... pypackager work very well :)
Dec 02 12:54:47 <kulve> no it doesn't, if it doesn't do proper packages to be uploaded..
Dec 02 12:54:48 <khertan> it s painfull for onboard developper to not be able to upload their package ...
Dec 02 12:55:28 <khertan> <kulve> no it doesn't, if it doesn't do proper packages to be uploaded.. << for the moment ... it's why i'm studying this :)
Dec 02 12:55:48 <khertan> for the moment pypackager build .deb packet
Dec 02 12:56:33 <khertan> so i think i should get a look on the .change file structure generated with dpkg-buildpackage ...
Dec 02 12:59:42 <hpg101> hi all. yesterday someone told me of a clock applet for the n800 os2007 which puts a live clock somewhere on the "desktop". anyone know what repository that applet may be in?
Dec 02 13:00:19 <kulve> hpg101: is that somehow different from the one that comes with the os2007?
Dec 02 13:00:30 <kulve> i.e. there's one clock there already..
Dec 02 13:00:54 <khertan> hpg101: not the default installed with os2008 ?
Dec 02 13:01:54 <hpg101> i was looking for an applet that puts up a live time icon, so i can see it while working with other apps
Dec 02 13:02:13 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, toolbar.
Dec 02 13:02:45 <GeneralAntilles> osso-statusbar-cpu is a good one.
Dec 02 13:02:49 <hpg101> a toolbar clock app would be ok
Dec 02 13:02:53 <alterego> Not for OS2008 it isn't ;)
Dec 02 13:03:06 <GeneralAntilles> OS2008 is irrelevant here.
Dec 02 13:03:22 <GeneralAntilles> I saw a screenshot with osso-statusbar-cpu running on OS2008, anyway.
Dec 02 13:03:38 <alterego> Yeah, it requires you to install hildon-libs O_O
Dec 02 13:04:01 <hpg101> i'm new to the n800. should i just wait for os2008
Dec 02 13:04:08 <alterego> It's in the repository but the package is broken.
Dec 02 13:04:18 <GeneralAntilles> hpg101, a "desktop" "applet" would only be visible while you're at the home screen with no apps showing.
Dec 02 13:04:40 <GeneralAntilles> You want something to go in the toolbar with the brightness/audio settings, battery, etc.
Dec 02 13:05:43 <kulve> the statusbar plugin api has changed for os2008, but it has os2007 compability lib (iirc), which requires only couple of small changes to the code
Dec 02 13:06:15 <kulve> main configure.ac check and include paths in source files
Dec 02 13:06:18 <kulve> +ly
Dec 02 13:06:48 <alterego> kulve, yes. There is a legacy plugin loader. I'm not denying that the package might work. But it's showing hildon-libs as a dependency in an OS2008 repository. Which in my mind is completely broken :P
Dec 02 13:07:11 <kulve> yeah, that's one of the small changes that should be made..
Dec 02 13:07:17 <GeneralAntilles> Aha.
Dec 02 13:07:18 <alterego> :)
Dec 02 13:07:21 <GeneralAntilles> k-chow, alterego!
Dec 02 13:07:22 <GeneralAntilles> http://people.debian.org/~tschmidt/maemo/chinook/osso-statusbar-cpu/
Dec 02 13:07:30 <hpg101> toolbar, status area, switcher area - i'm flexible
Dec 02 13:07:49 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, is that a fully working package?
Dec 02 13:08:03 <GeneralAntilles> Notice the k-chow. ;)
Dec 02 13:08:20 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, it'd be nice if they put _that_ one in maemo extras repository then ;)
Dec 02 13:08:23 <khertan> hum ... dpkg-deb --build and dpkg-buildpackage don't do the same things ?
Dec 02 13:08:26 <kulve> alterego:  Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.12.2), libc6 (>= 2.5.0-1), libcairo2 (>= 1.4.10), libdbus-1-3 (>= 0.94), libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.74), libgconf2-6 (>= 2.13.5), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.12-1osso3), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2:2.10.12-0osso15), libhildon1 (>= 1.0.11), libhildondesktop0 (>= 1:2.0.2-1), libosso1 (>= 2.13), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.16.4), libxml2
Dec 02 13:08:35 <GeneralAntilles> I guess it's not official.
Dec 02 13:08:43 <kulve> looks like proper chinook deps
Dec 02 13:08:56 <GeneralAntilles> One thing that sucks about Dvorak: w is next to v
Dec 02 13:08:59 <GeneralAntilles> "Notes: Official version is not available yet"
Dec 02 13:09:02 <GeneralAntilles> From the ITT wiki.
Dec 02 13:09:34 <alterego> kulve, those aren't the deps I see in the package in my application installer ..
Dec 02 13:09:42 <khertan> For information an unofficial python binding for hildondesktop should be available next week :)
Dec 02 13:09:51 <kulve> alterego: I downloaded that to my etch and checked with dpkg --info
Dec 02 13:10:08 <alterego> kulve, downloaded what? The package GeneralAntilles posted?
Dec 02 13:10:13 <kulve> yeah
Dec 02 13:10:24 <alterego> Well of course the deps in that one are going to work.
Dec 02 13:10:36 <alterego> I'm saying the one in the extras repo is broken ..
Dec 02 13:10:45 <kulve> don't use it then
Dec 02 13:10:53 <alterego> Erm .. I'm not ..
Dec 02 13:11:05 <hpg101> can someone remind me how to intall deb packages, i come from the rh yum world
Dec 02 13:11:05 <khertan> i'm so boring to use dpkg-buildpackage that i ll make a enemy territory party ...
Dec 02 13:11:10 <alterego> Hell, I couldn't if I wanted to :P
Dec 02 13:11:17 <alterego> hpg101, click on it.
Dec 02 13:11:20 <khertan> dpkg -i packagename.deb
Dec 02 13:11:36 <GeneralAntilles> Seriously
Dec 02 13:11:41 <hpg101> thankx
Dec 02 13:11:51 <hpg101> that's thanks
Dec 02 13:15:47 <GeneralAntilles> Is there a global setting somewhere to change to 12-hour time in stuff like osso-statusbar-cpu and FBReader?
Dec 02 13:16:37 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, this is Lunix remember :P
Dec 02 13:16:54 * GeneralAntilles comes from the Macintosh world and expects a great many things.
Dec 02 13:17:11 <kulve> in linux there is, I don't know about about that plugin or the fbreader
Dec 02 14:11:10 * pupnik stabs unproductivity
Dec 02 14:44:04 <b0unc3> hi
Dec 02 14:46:17 <b0unc3> nfs-modules are disposable for OS2008 ?
Dec 02 15:00:27 <Segnale007> guys
Dec 02 15:00:39 <Segnale007> I have do apt-get upgrade
Dec 02 15:00:41 <Segnale007> and now
Dec 02 15:00:50 <Segnale007> my n800 is down :(
Dec 02 15:00:58 <Segnale007> why ?
Dec 02 15:01:24 <Segnale007> How can restore it ?
Dec 02 15:01:30 <Segnale007> How can reset it ?
Dec 02 15:01:33 <Segnale007> ;_;
Dec 02 15:03:29 <pupnik> don't do apt-get upgrade
Dec 02 15:03:36 <Segnale007> :/
Dec 02 15:03:37 <pupnik> reflash
Dec 02 15:03:44 <Segnale007> how can do it ?
Dec 02 15:03:50 <Segnale007> now  seem dead
Dec 02 15:03:54 <Segnale007> ;_;
Dec 02 15:04:41 <pupnik> use the flasher
Dec 02 15:05:20 <Segnale007> what flasher ?
Dec 02 15:05:26 <Segnale007> I don't know what is it
Dec 02 15:05:29 <Segnale007> is a tool ?
Dec 02 15:05:36 <Segnale007> where I can found it ?
Dec 02 15:05:43 <Segnale007> sorry .. I'm noob
Dec 02 15:06:11 <pupnik> google
Dec 02 15:06:45 <hugolp> Segnale007:  at maemo.org youll find the flasher
Dec 02 15:06:57 <Segnale007> okk
Dec 02 15:07:00 <Segnale007> ty
Dec 02 15:08:37 <Segnale007> I wanna upgrade it a os2008
Dec 02 15:09:00 <Segnale007> I have thought
Dec 02 15:09:20 <Segnale007> if do apt-get upgrade
Dec 02 15:09:31 <Segnale007> I up it to os2008
Dec 02 15:09:32 <Segnale007> lol
Dec 02 15:09:37 <zerojay> Hint: DON'T USE apt-get!
Dec 02 15:09:38 <Segnale007> sorry about that
Dec 02 15:09:49 <Segnale007> why ?
Dec 02 15:09:58 <zerojay> Well,  you just saw why. :)
Dec 02 15:10:03 <Segnale007> hahaha
Dec 02 15:10:32 <zerojay> The next major revision of the OS will allow major updates to be done through packages... no more reflashing.
Dec 02 15:10:52 <Segnale007> ok
Dec 02 15:14:09 <pupnik> hi Segnale007 no you have to upgrade with flasher
Dec 02 15:14:23 <pupnik> but i do not recommend you upgrade to 2008 yet
Dec 02 15:14:42 <Segnale007> k
Dec 02 15:14:43 <Segnale007> but
Dec 02 15:14:50 <Segnale007> I don't found the tool
Dec 02 15:15:28 <Segnale007> I have found it
Dec 02 15:15:30 <Segnale007> sorry
Dec 02 15:15:32 <pupnik> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/Flasher_tool_usage
Dec 02 15:15:48 <pupnik> http://www.maemo.org/downloads/d3.php
Dec 02 15:16:07 <pupnik> http://www.nokiausa.com/support/phones/main/1,2836,770,00.html
Dec 02 15:17:17 <Segnale007> ty
Dec 02 15:19:14 <Segnale007> I have a mac
Dec 02 15:19:39 <Segnale007> but I can see there is for a n770 flasher for mac
Dec 02 15:19:50 <Segnale007> flasher.macosx	128060	flasher utility (MacOS X on PPC) for the Nokia 770
Dec 02 15:19:59 <lopz> hola
Dec 02 15:20:32 <Segnale007> hi lopz
Dec 02 15:21:28 <lopz> hey Segnale007
Dec 02 15:28:13 <Segnale007> but
Dec 02 15:28:23 <Segnale007> this is for 770 a 800 ?
Dec 02 15:28:25 <Segnale007> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithmacosx/
Dec 02 15:28:32 <Segnale007> or is good for 800 too ?
Dec 02 15:29:51 <pupnik> hmm
Dec 02 15:30:10 <oil_> jes. first step to introduce n800 to our car in a good way has been done. I installed ukmp with loads of music which my wife in memorycard. then used an cheap fm-transmitter so that we were able to play the music from the car steroes.
Dec 02 15:30:49 <pupnik> Segnale007: sorry i don't know :(  There *should* be a flasher for 800 - maybe the wiki is just outdated
Dec 02 15:31:18 <Segnale007> yah
Dec 02 15:31:20 <oil_> she liked it. next step is to get maps for thailand and use navigation on it. then again. need to do modification to the car stereo so that there would be input for 3.5mm plug.
Dec 02 15:31:38 <Segnale007> this is for N770 to N800
Dec 02 15:32:45 <lardman> "morning"
Dec 02 15:33:29 <pupnik> greets lardman
Dec 02 15:34:22 <pupnik> 15:31 <+amcoolbot_> Linux Internet tablets gain WiFi login agent - Linux Devices  - Nov 29, 2007
Dec 02 15:34:25 <pupnik> 15:31 <+amcoolbot_> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/200711201046NS2209272867.ht
Dec 02 15:34:26 <pupnik> m
Dec 02 15:34:36 <pupnik> l
Dec 02 15:35:05 <lardman> Boingo is US only though isn't it?
Dec 02 15:35:47 <pupnik> dunno
Dec 02 15:38:21 <oil_> boingo has a monthly fee for wlan access?
Dec 02 15:38:28 <shacka1> hi lardman
Dec 02 15:38:47 <GeneralAntilles> Segnale007, flasher-2.0.macosx or aflegg's 770Flasher will work.
Dec 02 15:40:22 <lardman> hi shacka1
Dec 02 15:41:00 <shacka1> lardman, I tried looking at that function yesterday, needless to say it was 3am for me too :)
Dec 02 15:41:19 <lardman> objdump?
Dec 02 15:41:43 <lardman> I used aqualung to process it
Dec 02 15:42:20 <lardman> There's actually a function in the calling chain between module_init and that one, I should take a look at it and see whether it makes any difference
Dec 02 15:44:05 <shacka1> yahoo sez it's an ida plugin for arm, doesn't ida do arm already?
Dec 02 15:44:33 <lardman> yes, but it produces nicer more readable output
Dec 02 15:44:40 <lardman> from the assembly output
Dec 02 15:45:14 <lardman> anyway, there's not much in it really, the asm is ok
Dec 02 15:45:26 <shacka1> cool, I tried to fed ida the kernel headers to have prototypes and argument matching, but it choked badly
Dec 02 15:46:29 <lardman> the kernel functions aren't a big issue as there aren't that many extern calls
Dec 02 15:46:47 <lardman> working out the parameters for the internal functions would be good though
Dec 02 15:47:13 <shacka1> that too
Dec 02 15:47:19 <lardman> but the abi is fairly straight forward afaik, so it's just a case of remembering what was where
Dec 02 15:47:43 <lardman> tho that fn from yesterday is confusing
Dec 02 15:48:24 <shacka1> it is
Dec 02 15:48:35 <shacka1> like, that label put into R1
Dec 02 15:49:21 <lardman> I see the calls into the large function (name escapes me atm as I'm running Linux and that's all in WinXP) use bl, which sets the link register, and assuming there's no use for the stack it ought to work I think
Dec 02 15:51:05 <shacka1> so, R1 should be the first parameter or the last?
Dec 02 15:51:33 <shacka1> (I guess the former, put it doesn't seem to point to a string)
Dec 02 15:52:55 <lardman> R0 should be the first
Dec 02 15:53:09 <lardman> R0 is also the return value
Dec 02 15:53:38 <shacka1> mm, and it's not touched, so the name is set by the caller, yeah
Dec 02 15:53:57 <lardman> yep, it's passed straight through that intermediate fn
Dec 02 15:54:21 <shacka1> this makes R1 the mode, but I haven't looked up the mode_t definition
Dec 02 15:54:27 <lardman> http://wiki.debian.org/ArmEabiPort#head-96054c6cb4209b4a589e645dd50ac0fe133b8ced
Dec 02 15:54:50 <lardman> mode_t is rather a large structure, and it looks like R1 points to a short with a value of 4
Dec 02 15:55:14 <lardman> mode_t is passed by reference anyway, so it should be an address
Dec 02 15:55:53 <lardman> that url above is for system calls, but the same appears to hold true for function calls - I made some test fns
Dec 02 15:56:23 <Segnale007> lol
Dec 02 15:56:25 <Segnale007> Macintosh:Desktop MacBook$ sudo ./flasher.macosx -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Dec 02 15:56:25 <Segnale007> Password:
Dec 02 15:56:25 <Segnale007> sudo: unable to execute ./flasher.macosx: Bad CPU type in executable
Dec 02 15:56:27 <Segnale007> maybe
Dec 02 15:56:35 <Segnale007> because I have macintel ?
Dec 02 15:56:37 <GeneralAntilles> Try 770Flasher
Dec 02 15:56:44 <Segnale007> but
Dec 02 15:56:54 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody have any input as to whether Fanoush's blest script might be (easily) shoehorned into a statusbar applet?
Dec 02 15:56:59 <Segnale007> I have n800
Dec 02 15:57:05 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, I know. :)
Dec 02 15:57:08 <Segnale007> ah ok
Dec 02 15:57:18 <lardman> will the static flasher-3.0 not work?
Dec 02 15:57:31 <GeneralAntilles> Who knows
Dec 02 15:57:34 <GeneralAntilles> but the 770Flasher will.
Dec 02 15:57:46 <Segnale007> uhm
Dec 02 15:57:52 <lardman> is 770flasher for the mac?
Dec 02 15:57:58 <Segnale007> I need an id of the n770
Dec 02 15:58:04 <Segnale007> for download 770flasher
Dec 02 15:58:15 <Segnale007> ;_;
Dec 02 15:58:21 <lardman> Segnale007: or try 0xffff, should be able to compile it on your mac
Dec 02 15:58:28 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.bleb.org/software/770#770Flasher
Dec 02 15:58:35 <Segnale007> what ?
Dec 02 15:58:42 <Segnale007> I don't understand lardman
Dec 02 15:58:46 <GeneralAntilles> Bad link
Dec 02 15:58:48 <GeneralAntilles> Let me try that again.
Dec 02 15:58:54 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.bleb.org/software/maemo/
Dec 02 15:58:54 <Segnale007> yah
Dec 02 15:59:02 <Segnale007> nice
Dec 02 15:59:03 <Segnale007> ;)
Dec 02 15:59:05 <shacka1> Segnale007: 0xFFFF is the name of another flasher
Dec 02 15:59:05 <lardman> Segnale007: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/
Dec 02 15:59:28 <Segnale007> this is exactly right
Dec 02 15:59:34 <Segnale007> ah ok
Dec 02 15:59:36 <shacka1> 0xFFFF
Dec 02 15:59:38 <Segnale007> ty gus
Dec 02 15:59:42 <Segnale007> *guys
Dec 02 15:59:45 <shacka1> hey, where's my monkey ?
Dec 02 15:59:48 <lardman> np
Dec 02 15:59:54 <lardman> shacka1: he was killed
Dec 02 16:00:03 <hugolp> Segnale007:  I installed OS2008 on my N800 and its fine. It runs better than OS2007
Dec 02 16:00:16 <Segnale007> uhm
Dec 02 16:00:27 <Segnale007> it's better os2008 ?
Dec 02 16:00:36 <Segnale007> I up it on os2008 ?
Dec 02 16:00:44 <shacka1> up what?
Dec 02 16:00:52 <Segnale007> upgrade it
Dec 02 16:00:58 <Segnale007> a os2008
Dec 02 16:01:07 <Segnale007> or is better os2007 ?
Dec 02 16:01:24 <hugolp> 2008 is way better
Dec 02 16:01:31 <Segnale007> good
Dec 02 16:01:32 <Segnale007> :)
Dec 02 16:01:38 <shacka1> do you really think nokia made the new version WORSE than the old one ?
Dec 02 16:01:54 <Segnale007> no no
Dec 02 16:02:02 <hugolp> shacka1:  obviously, but its not only better, but surprinsingly better
Dec 02 16:02:59 <GeneralAntilles> Microsoft managed it, shacka1. :P
Dec 02 16:03:18 <GeneralAntilles> The issue has more to do with it's early-release, beta status, shacka1.
Dec 02 16:03:34 <GeneralAntilles> So, yeah, if it had a lot of bugs that hadn't been worked out yet, yes, it would be WORSE.
Dec 02 16:19:13 <lardman> kulve: you about?
Dec 02 16:19:37 <lardman> kulve: using the standard kernel, I seem to have got some output from a dbg() function
Dec 02 16:19:53 <alterego> pvr?
Dec 02 16:20:24 <lardman> no, this is me trying to finish off the ogg dsp task (by working out how an mp3 task uses threads)
Dec 02 16:20:51 <alterego> Ah
Dec 02 16:21:30 <lardman> alterego: I'll get back to hacking on the pvr soon though
Dec 02 16:21:51 <zerojay> alterego: Don't worry about packaging that tag reader library for me. I've got something up and running in python that works well... whereas id3lib tends to output a TON of garbage.
Dec 02 16:22:21 <zerojay> Though I have to say that this is brute forcing things a bit more than I'd like.
Dec 02 16:23:49 <zerojay> I told a buddy of mine about trying to get mp3s played in Media Player sent to Maemoscrobbler, how it's closed source and doesn't give us any help, etc..
Dec 02 16:23:57 <cbx33> can't hte built in media player play m3u?
Dec 02 16:24:06 <cbx33> if not can I get mplayer for os2008 yet?
Dec 02 16:24:10 <zerojay> m3u = playlist.
Dec 02 16:24:14 <cbx33> yeh
Dec 02 16:24:19 <zerojay> And I believe it does support them just fine.
Dec 02 16:24:29 <cbx33> :( - not from gnump3d
Dec 02 16:24:41 <cbx33> oh
Dec 02 16:24:43 <cbx33> I wonder
Dec 02 16:24:47 <zerojay> I told my friend that I was getting the currently playing song by grepping lsof output, his jaw just about dropped.
Dec 02 16:24:55 <cbx33> maybe it's calling it a m3u but playing them in ogg format
Dec 02 16:25:07 <GeneralAntilles> mplayer is available, cbx33.
Dec 02 16:25:14 <cbx33> in os2008?
Dec 02 16:25:17 <cbx33> where man?
Dec 02 16:26:14 <cbx33> yes, it was playing them in ogg format
Dec 02 16:26:30 <cbx33> can we get ogg support in os2008?
Dec 02 16:26:37 <cbx33> and mplayer?
Dec 02 16:26:45 <konttori> mplayer is in extras-devel
Dec 02 16:26:53 <konttori> but that has poor performance
Dec 02 16:27:02 * Jaffa now has an Asus Eee
Dec 02 16:27:04 <GeneralAntilles> Works fine over here.
Dec 02 16:27:51 <konttori> GA: mplayer on n810 has poor performance
Dec 02 16:27:58 <GeneralAntilles> Congrats on the small laptop purchase, Jaffa. :P
Dec 02 16:28:14 <Jaffa> GeneralAntilles: ta, something to take on holiday next week until I get an N810 :)
Dec 02 16:29:14 <pupnik> lardman: have you gotten any official assistance on that dsp based stuff?  i'd love to see a working group coalesce around dsp programming
Dec 02 16:29:17 <cbx33> konttori, worse than n800 on os2007?
Dec 02 16:29:27 <konttori> yeah.
Dec 02 16:29:30 <cbx33> ouch
Dec 02 16:29:30 <pupnik> ogg, MIDI, fm-synthesis, .mod, etc
Dec 02 16:29:32 <cbx33> why?
Dec 02 16:29:43 <cbx33> so how can I play oggs?
Dec 02 16:29:44 <konttori> it should be really snappy but they have compiled it somehow horribly wrong
Dec 02 16:29:52 <cbx33> oh dang it
Dec 02 16:29:58 <cbx33> mplayer was my fav media app
Dec 02 16:30:03 <GeneralAntilles> Like I said, it works fine over here. :\
Dec 02 16:30:21 <GeneralAntilles> Link me a test file and I'll run it for you, cbx33.
Dec 02 16:30:31 <konttori> can you play dailymotion flv videos on your mplayer?
Dec 02 16:31:08 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno, how do I extract them?
Dec 02 16:31:27 <cbx33> how do i add extras-devel?
Dec 02 16:31:31 <pupnik> encourage nokia to support gstreamer ogg plugins, or help with lardman's open-source vorbis player
Dec 02 16:31:47 <konttori> GA: uktube
Dec 02 16:32:00 <konttori> Install: https://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ukmp/
Dec 02 16:32:13 <konttori> then open uktube
Dec 02 16:32:14 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Working_2008_OS_Software cbx33.
Dec 02 16:32:17 <GeneralAntilles> mplayer on there
Dec 02 16:32:20 <GeneralAntilles> Got it, konttori.
Dec 02 16:32:21 <cbx33> thanks GA
Dec 02 16:32:34 <konttori> you can try e.g.: http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/hips+dont+lie/video/x1g1g_shakira-hips-dont-lie_music
Dec 02 16:32:48 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh, thanks, I'll choose another. :P
Dec 02 16:32:49 <konttori> (if you can paste to your device from irc)
Dec 02 16:32:52 <konttori> ;)
Dec 02 16:33:41 <lardman> pupnik: No help per se, but the Nokia chaps are happy to see some of us doing stuff
Dec 02 16:33:57 <lardman> pupnik: help wouldn't be fun either would it ;)
Dec 02 16:34:04 <GeneralAntilles> "Yes, yeeeees, work my pretties. Muhaha!"
Dec 02 16:34:22 <lardman> to the pub, back in a bit (I'm sure I'll be more productive then ;) )
Dec 02 16:34:44 <konttori> cbx33: just go to application manager. add new catalogue.
Dec 02 16:34:59 <konttori> http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel
Dec 02 16:35:02 <konttori> chinook
Dec 02 16:35:06 <konttori> free non-free
Dec 02 16:35:23 <alterego> Ooo, free evening mobile internet :)
Dec 02 16:35:48 <cbx33> thanks
Dec 02 16:35:54 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, not much good on the flv
Dec 02 16:35:56 <cbx33> alterego, nice
Dec 02 16:36:02 <GeneralAntilles> I'd only been testing with divx stuff
Dec 02 16:36:05 <GeneralAntilles> which worked fine.
Dec 02 16:36:22 <cbx33> heh
Dec 02 16:36:37 <alterego> Wow, orange also do an unlimited browsing for a week for 5 GBP
Dec 02 16:36:48 <cbx33> alterego, REALLY?
Dec 02 16:36:52 <alterego> Yup
Dec 02 16:36:55 <alterego> If you're on PAYG
Dec 02 16:36:55 <cbx33> link me
Dec 02 16:36:56 <cbx33> NOW
Dec 02 16:37:03 <cbx33> I've been waiting for this moment.....for a long time
Dec 02 16:37:08 <cbx33> Damn
Dec 02 16:37:11 <cbx33> I'm on contract
Dec 02 16:37:14 <alterego> Oh.
Dec 02 16:37:14 <konttori> GA: dailymotion video ran just perfectly on the n800
Dec 02 16:37:22 <alterego> Get a PAYG simcard for 1 GBP
Dec 02 16:37:27 <cbx33> I'm going to PAYG soon thou
Dec 02 16:37:29 <alterego> You can order them on the Orange shop.
Dec 02 16:37:44 <konttori> GA: uktube has also support for stage 6 videos, but they perform just horribly on the latest mplayer (well the n810 version)
Dec 02 16:37:45 <GeneralAntilles> Ha . . . soft poweroff currently serves only turn the battery icon on and off.
Dec 02 16:38:14 <konttori> http://www.stage6.com/
Dec 02 16:38:32 <alterego> cbx33, they're kind of like the "bolt-ons" that O2 had. It might be possible to get it for contract as well. Try ringing 450 they're called "Orange world extras".
Dec 02 16:38:39 <GeneralAntilles> I guess we can only hope for a fix before the final hits.
Dec 02 16:38:52 <alterego> £1 for unlimited internet a day. and £5 for a week .. :)
Dec 02 16:39:42 <cbx33> alterego, nice
Dec 02 16:39:43 <cbx33> thanks
Dec 02 16:40:32 <cbx33> doh
Dec 02 16:40:41 <cbx33> mplayer doesn't read m3u playlists
Dec 02 16:41:08 <pupnik> not really an optimized-for-audio player
Dec 02 16:41:55 <alterego> cbx33, now all I need is a phone with EDGE ;)
Dec 02 16:42:10 <alterego> The 7300 is a cheap EDGE modem ..
Dec 02 16:43:25 <GeneralAntilles> EDGE is only, like, everything.
Dec 02 16:43:43 <GeneralAntilles> 3G is where the fun is.
Dec 02 16:44:17 <alterego> :)
Dec 02 16:44:31 * cbx33 has edge
Dec 02 16:45:04 <GeneralAntilles> I just wish bluetooth weren't such a bottleneck
Dec 02 16:46:37 <RushPL_> GeneralAntilles: there was some research showing that EDGE gives far lower latencies than 3G and can bring better experience in web browsing. (lower latencies make seem it seem faster)
Dec 02 16:46:51 <RushPL_> just my 3 cents. :)
Dec 02 16:47:13 <alterego> I thought EDGE was 3G.1
Dec 02 16:47:28 <GeneralAntilles> RushPL_, it was all BS.
Dec 02 16:47:33 <GeneralAntilles> I've used both rather extensively.
Dec 02 16:47:39 <GeneralAntilles> HSDPA is better. :)
Dec 02 16:48:09 <RushPL_> mhm
Dec 02 16:48:20 <alterego> Hmm .. The 7300 doesn't have ObexFTP
Dec 02 16:48:37 <alterego> I wanna be able to browse ma phone damnit!
Dec 02 16:49:04 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Dec 02 16:49:12 <GeneralAntilles> What in the world would you keep on your phone?
Dec 02 16:49:21 <alterego> Images from the camera :P
Dec 02 16:49:24 <GeneralAntilles> I use my phone for two things: a modem and a phone.
Dec 02 16:49:42 <alterego> Yes, me it will be: Quick snaps, phone and modem.
Dec 02 16:50:13 <alterego> Oh, and maybe paper weight
Dec 02 16:51:02 <alterego> Wow, I didn't realise Orange had these deals. I should pay more attention. To be honest, I was going off them O_O
Dec 02 16:51:20 <alterego> Now, for the price of a coffee. When I'm out I can get internet _all_ day :)
Dec 02 16:51:31 <zerojay> I have the best text-to-speech program in the world.
Dec 02 16:52:01 <zerojay> My 7 year old is reading everything you guys are saying in the channel out loud.
Dec 02 16:52:26 <alterego> .. Didn't see that coming .. ;)
Dec 02 16:52:37 <zerojay> <alterego> I wanna be able to browse ma phone damnit! <-- this ended up getting a good chuckle coming from his mouth. ;P
Dec 02 16:52:59 <alterego> zerojay, well. Now I know there's a kid in the room I'll try and lower the tone ;)
Dec 02 16:53:24 <zerojay> pffft.. don't worry about it. Ain't nothing you've said that he hasn't heard from my own mouth at one point or another.
Dec 02 16:53:32 <alterego> Hahah
Dec 02 16:54:16 <czr> all your base are belong to daddy
Dec 02 16:54:43 <zerojay> hahahaha
Dec 02 16:55:21 <alterego> Cool .. Free txts.
Dec 02 16:55:58 <alterego> And evening internet access ..
Dec 02 16:56:37 <zerojay> And now he's trying to read my python code. lol
Dec 02 16:56:47 <alterego> Hah
Dec 02 16:57:00 <alterego> Ask him if he wants some Ruby :P
Dec 02 16:57:09 <zerojay> testmp3 equals eyedeethree tag...
Dec 02 16:57:13 <czr> heh
Dec 02 16:57:19 <czr> he's pretty bright
Dec 02 16:57:26 <alterego> unless daddy.finished?; me.read_screen; end
Dec 02 16:57:33 * czr sends the full volumes of the knuth books to zerojay's boy
Dec 02 16:57:45 <zerojay> I just showed him what emoticons are... and then he asked me...
Dec 02 16:57:57 <zerojay> while 1 == 1:    <--- "Daddy, why did you put eyes there?"
Dec 02 16:58:05 <czr> hah
Dec 02 16:58:07 <alterego> Hah
Dec 02 16:58:10 <Segnale007> ok
Dec 02 16:58:16 <Segnale007> os2008 working on
Dec 02 16:58:19 <Segnale007> but
Dec 02 16:58:25 <Segnale007> I need a terminal
Dec 02 16:58:35 <zerojay> There's one built-in.
Dec 02 16:58:35 <czr> while 1 == 1 is kind of weird though :-)
Dec 02 16:58:46 <czr> while True? or while 1 even?
Dec 02 16:58:47 <Segnale007> oss-xterm of the os2007 not work on os2008
Dec 02 16:58:58 <Segnale007> uh
Dec 02 16:59:01 <zerojay> Yes, it is... I just don't ever want the script to terminate unless I kill it manually. :)
Dec 02 16:59:02 <alterego> It's already installed ..
Dec 02 16:59:03 <czr> although you could get creative and make it more adaptive: while 1 < 2:
Dec 02 16:59:05 <Segnale007> I checking it
Dec 02 16:59:46 <Segnale007> good
Dec 02 16:59:54 <Segnale007> there is :)
Dec 02 17:00:53 <Segnale007> and
Dec 02 17:01:01 <Segnale007> for becomeroot ?
Dec 02 17:01:09 <alterego> sudo gainroot
Dec 02 17:01:15 <Segnale007> k
Dec 02 17:01:22 <alterego> (If in R&D mode)
Dec 02 17:02:02 <GeneralAntilles> Haha, zerojay, that's classic. :)
Dec 02 17:02:34 <Segnale007> not in r&d mode
Dec 02 17:02:37 <Segnale007> :(
Dec 02 17:02:50 <GeneralAntilles> Just install becomeroot.
Dec 02 17:03:42 <Segnale007> yah
Dec 02 17:03:52 <Segnale007> I just need some repos for it
Dec 02 17:03:59 <Segnale007> I check
Dec 02 17:04:19 <juh0> http://gronmayer.com/it/ eko one
Dec 02 17:04:34 <Segnale007> for os2008 ??
Dec 02 17:04:59 <juh0> http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb
Dec 02 17:05:00 <Segnale007> great
Dec 02 17:13:33 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody happen to have a shot of the 770 with battery cover open and serial port in view that I could borrow?
Dec 02 17:20:39 <corevette> Blizzard, maker of World of Warcraft, merges with games firm Activision, in an $18.8bn deal.
Dec 02 17:21:44 <cbx33> :(
Dec 02 17:21:58 <cbx33> mplayer does't player m3u playlists
Dec 02 17:22:08 <cbx33> how do i et oformat for myn800 on os2008?
Dec 02 17:22:36 <cbx33> get ogg
Dec 02 17:22:43 <cbx33> my g key has died
Dec 02 17:32:06 <cbx33> can i get default media layer to ply oggs on os2008 yet/
Dec 02 17:35:38 <ShyBoy> I do not have have proper /debian directory in my package, how can i create a .deb using  dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
Dec 02 17:37:23 <m-vo> ShyBoy, you need to create the debian/ directory first.  This unfortunately requires some Debian hacker foo.
Dec 02 17:38:14 <ShyBoy> m-vo: is this a manual process or there is a command for that to create debian/ directory and have changelog in there?
Dec 02 17:38:51 <ShyBoy> i created debian folder and have a dummy changelog in there, but that trick didn't work
Dec 02 17:39:55 <m-vo> It's not something you can do without getting some understanding of the source and of what you want to do.  It is not a fully automatic process.
Dec 02 17:40:20 <GeneralAntilles> Semi-auto, then?
Dec 02 17:40:26 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: ping
Dec 02 17:40:26 <m-vo> There are shortcuts, but I, err, hesitate to tell you about them because you might hurt yourself. :-)
Dec 02 17:40:39 <GeneralAntilles> Too slow, timelyx!
Dec 02 17:40:50 <cbx33> ogg support?
Dec 02 17:41:05 <timelyx> GeneralAntilles: when you file a bug does it let you choose between Status: NEW and Status: UNCONFIRMED?
Dec 02 17:41:06 <m-vo> You can get a template that is pretty close, but intelligent tweaking is always needed.
Dec 02 17:41:17 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Dec 02 17:41:23 <GeneralAntilles> I've been leaving them unconfirmed
Dec 02 17:41:24 <GeneralAntilles> should I not?
Dec 02 17:41:33 <timelyx> i'm looking for a "normal user"
Dec 02 17:41:41 <timelyx> or, if you don't mind, could i use you for a moment :)
Dec 02 17:41:48 <GeneralAntilles> What do you need?
Dec 02 17:42:02 <timelyx> i need to know if you get guided if you don't have editbugs/canconfirm
Dec 02 17:42:12 <timelyx> i was hoping/expecting you would
Dec 02 17:42:17 <timelyx> but it doesn't look like people are
Dec 02 17:43:57 <m-vo> ShyBoy, OK with these warnings, "man debhelper", "apt-get install dh-make", "man dh_make".
Dec 02 17:43:59 <GeneralAntilles> You wanna lift my bits and I can tell you?
Dec 02 17:44:34 <timelyx> gimme a bit, i'm investigating source side
Dec 02 18:08:49 <Segnale007> guys
Dec 02 18:09:01 <Segnale007> what I can use for irc with os2008 ?
Dec 02 18:09:11 <Segnale007> with os2007 I used xchat
Dec 02 18:09:15 <GeneralAntilles> http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Dec 02 18:09:22 <Segnale007> ..
Dec 02 18:09:31 <Segnale007> ty man ..
Dec 02 18:09:36 <Segnale007> u are beautiful
Dec 02 18:09:37 <GeneralAntilles> Sure thing.
Dec 02 18:11:53 <Segnale007> this os2008 working much better of os2007 on my n800
Dec 02 18:12:01 <Segnale007> ty so much guys :)
Dec 02 18:13:40 <Segnale007> uff
Dec 02 18:13:58 <Segnale007> I need libgnutls13
Dec 02 18:14:01 <Segnale007> uff
Dec 02 18:14:11 <alterego> You need to had the maemo hackers repository.
Dec 02 18:14:20 <Segnale007> uhm
Dec 02 18:14:32 <Segnale007> I need a gpg key for it
Dec 02 18:14:39 <Segnale007> this is really ..
Dec 02 18:14:44 <alterego> uhm .. No you don't.
Dec 02 18:15:45 <Segnale007> I check
Dec 02 18:19:33 <alterego> Hmm .. The 6300 Nokia product page doesn't say anything about HSCSD but it appears in a few online catalogs with it as a feature.
Dec 02 18:19:35 * alterego wonders.
Dec 02 18:20:09 <GeneralAntilles> Obviously you're going to have to go buy one and test it. :P
Dec 02 18:21:37 <alterego> Well, it is pretty cheap.
Dec 02 18:21:40 <alterego> And I don't really care.
Dec 02 18:21:46 <alterego> I need a new phone :P
Dec 02 18:21:56 <cbx33> can it be done...enbling ogg support for the built i media player on os2008?
Dec 02 18:22:07 <Segnale007> yah
Dec 02 18:22:23 <Segnale007> I need the public key for maemo hackers
Dec 02 18:22:38 <GeneralAntilles> Sure, but it relies on Nokia, cbx33.
Dec 02 18:22:46 <alterego> Segnale007, no you don't.
Dec 02 18:23:19 <alterego> What's OMA?
Dec 02 18:23:25 <Segnale007> NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3A68E29D
Dec 02 18:23:38 <alterego> O_O
Dec 02 18:23:44 <alterego> Use the application manager.
Dec 02 18:23:52 <Segnale007> how I can copy the test on xterm in os 2008 ?
Dec 02 18:23:55 <sp3000> who took the keys to the pub!
Dec 02 18:23:57 <Segnale007> maybe I can't
Dec 02 18:23:57 <alterego> Or forget about pidgin and do something else.
Dec 02 18:24:34 <GeneralAntilles> Pidgin is bloaty
Dec 02 18:24:35 <Segnale007> is active in application manager
Dec 02 18:24:38 <Segnale007> uff
Dec 02 18:24:38 <GeneralAntilles> use jablet.net
Dec 02 18:24:47 <Segnale007> general
Dec 02 18:25:06 <Segnale007> how I can copy the text on xterm here on os2008 ?
Dec 02 18:25:18 <Segnale007> I'm in trouble right now
Dec 02 18:25:24 <timelyx> um
Dec 02 18:25:24 <Segnale007> I need to copy and paste
Dec 02 18:25:26 <timelyx> stupid quesiton
Dec 02 18:25:27 <Segnale007> :/
Dec 02 18:25:28 <Segnale007> yah
Dec 02 18:25:35 <Segnale007> in 2007
Dec 02 18:25:37 <timelyx> has anyone here heard of the "nokia 'n' series end of year program'?
Dec 02 18:25:42 <Segnale007> I have found the voice
Dec 02 18:25:45 <alterego> I think I'll buy the phone directly from Nokia. I don't want silly "Orange" stickers over the handset and I'd rather get the proper Nokia box and manual ..
Dec 02 18:26:27 <sp3000> Segnale007: drag to select, copy is in the menu
Dec 02 18:26:52 <shackan> the app manager insists on reinstalling pidgin under extras, how can I change that? (and be asked again where to install it?)
Dec 02 18:27:30 <GeneralAntilles> No, timelyx.
Dec 02 18:27:33 <sp3000> ignore and use the menu organizer? :)
Dec 02 18:28:54 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, shackan, sp3000's method is the way to do it.
Dec 02 18:29:35 <ShyBoy> can someone please tell me what is the problem here?
Dec 02 18:29:36 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/gnomequran-0.2] > ./autogen.sh
Dec 02 18:29:36 <ShyBoy> ./autogen.sh: line 15: ./macros/autogen.sh: No such file or directory
Dec 02 18:29:36 <ShyBoy> [sbox-CHINOOK_ARMEL: ~/workspace/gnomequran-0.2] >
Dec 02 18:29:37 <shackan> sp3000: where's that?
Dec 02 18:30:22 <sp3000> apps settings cpl panel
Dec 02 18:30:24 <GeneralAntilles> Control Panel -> Panels/Navigator -> Organize
Dec 02 18:32:44 <e-squizo> ShyBoy: looks like you're missing a file in the package
Dec 02 18:32:54 <unique311> something weird is happening with my desktop
Dec 02 18:33:28 <unique311> i had this hardrive (250GB) for probably 1 year
Dec 02 18:33:35 <GeneralAntilles> Beat it with a hammer until it behaves.
Dec 02 18:33:55 <unique311> just checked disk management and it shows the hardrive being a 500GB
Dec 02 18:34:26 <unique311> could this be because of infection
Dec 02 18:34:51 <ShyBoy> e-squizo: what kind of file?
Dec 02 18:34:54 <e-squizo> unique311: maybe you suddenly have these newfangled 4-bit bytes? :-)
Dec 02 18:35:01 <unique311> right now theirs 187GB unformatted, but i am really afraid on what the results would be if i formattd it.
Dec 02 18:35:03 <ShyBoy> isn't it just autogen.sh?
Dec 02 18:35:32 <sp3000> I suppose infection could cause swelling
Dec 02 18:35:57 <unique311> this is bad.
Dec 02 18:36:06 <e-squizo> ShyBoy: it should... but it looks like you autogen.sh expects an autogen.sh file in 'your macros' subdir
Dec 02 18:36:09 <unique311> i need to transfer everything now.
Dec 02 18:36:09 <halley> unique311, you're probably confusing 512byte blocks for kilobytes.
Dec 02 18:36:16 <unique311> and format that danm thing again.
Dec 02 18:36:32 * e-squizo is playing by ear here... I'm not well-versed in autogen
Dec 02 18:36:32 <ShyBoy> let me try to fix, thx e-squizo
Dec 02 18:36:42 <unique311> no not confused...   462.63GB
Dec 02 18:37:13 <unique311> i know my GBs from my KBs
Dec 02 18:37:23 <unique311> and im seeing nothing but GBs
Dec 02 18:38:14 <e-squizo> is there a canonical way to do a python program that will automagically do the hildon thing under hildon, and the standard pyGTK thing under anything else?
Dec 02 18:38:39 <halley> e-squizo, yeah, it's called "two separate frontend classes".
Dec 02 18:38:41 <l7_> anyone know if magnets will damage your tablet>
Dec 02 18:38:41 <l7_> ? i have it next to my stereo
Dec 02 18:38:58 <GeneralAntilles> Incredibly unlikely.
Dec 02 18:39:18 <GeneralAntilles> There's no magnetic storage on the tablets besides.
Dec 02 18:40:00 <l7_> hmm i guess i'm just paranoid
Dec 02 18:40:04 <kulve> cbx33: I'm trying to enable the built-in player to play oggs with my ogg-support, but I'm having some problems with it. On my n800 it seems to work, but when I tried to another device, it just says "unsupported file format".
Dec 02 18:40:28 <halley> l7_, "paranoid" != "risk averse"
Dec 02 18:40:44 <GeneralAntilles> My N800 has been sitting in front of my left Axiom bookshelf for the better part of a year
Dec 02 18:40:46 <e-squizo> halley: do you have an example? because that 1) doesn't seem very automagic (requires manual intervention), and 2) most examples I have seen put the hildon dependencies in the class that defines the app, not in the front-end...
Dec 02 18:40:49 <GeneralAntilles> no problems so far. ;)
Dec 02 18:40:53 <kulve> cbx33: I think opening oggs directly with mp is not possible, but opening via the library or from filemanager should work
Dec 02 18:43:01 <halley> e-squizo, No, I don't.  (1) would be easy to work around without manual intervention, (2) I don't know what other examples do, but they don't seem to fit your request or you'd follow their lead.
Dec 02 18:43:02 * timelyx sighs
Dec 02 18:43:08 * timelyx owes neil macleod brownies
Dec 02 18:43:24 <halley> There can be only one!
Dec 02 18:43:40 <timelyx> duncan, connor, neil
Dec 02 18:43:43 <derf> kulve: Why is opening them with the mp not possible?
Dec 02 18:43:44 <timelyx> there can be three
Dec 02 18:43:48 <timelyx> for we are the nights of neeee!
Dec 02 18:43:49 <halley> timelyx, gavin
Dec 02 18:44:13 <halley> Imagine a sword fight on the cruise ship!
Dec 02 18:44:30 <maddler> evening all
Dec 02 18:47:43 <kulve> derf: I think it only shows files it recognizes and I'm afraid that might be hardcoded somewhere that is not editable
Dec 02 18:48:52 <cbx33> ok what's the best media player that plays oggs and mp3s nd supports m3u playlists?
Dec 02 18:48:56 <soothsayer> The Chinook SDK installation instructions say to start a new login shell after adding a user to the scratchbox group but that doesn't seem to work for me.
Dec 02 18:49:05 <derf> kulve: That sounds like a bug that should be filed.
Dec 02 18:50:17 <timelyx> infobot milhouse?
Dec 02 18:50:23 <soothsayer> Anyone know what I need to do for the updated group membership to take effect?
Dec 02 18:50:34 <timelyx> logout :)
Dec 02 18:50:55 <soothsayer> timelyx: Is it really necessary?
Dec 02 18:50:59 <derf> kulve: I might have some time an hour or two to help you debug ogg-support.
Dec 02 18:51:00 <timelyx> yes
Dec 02 18:51:01 <kulve> cbx33: "best" is hard to say ;)
Dec 02 18:51:12 <timelyx> soothsayer: well, technically no
Dec 02 18:51:16 <timelyx> it's sufficient to log in again
Dec 02 18:51:26 <timelyx> logging out is just the easiest way to force you to log in again :)
Dec 02 18:51:28 <derf> If you've got a bora package for it, anyway. I haven't installed OS 2008 yet.
Dec 02 18:51:30 <kulve> derf: do you have ogg-support installed on os2008?
Dec 02 18:51:39 <kulve> oh
Dec 02 18:51:40 <derf> kulve: No, not yet.
Dec 02 18:51:54 <derf> Does it work on 2007?
Dec 02 18:51:57 <soothsayer> timelyx: What do you mean by 'log in'?
Dec 02 18:52:20 <kulve> derf: I haven't added the mp support for bora.. I'm playing only with 2008 now..
Dec 02 18:52:39 <kulve> and there are differencies with the players in 2007 vs. 2008
Dec 02 18:52:45 <timelyx> soothsayer: on the computer that hosts scratchbox
Dec 02 18:52:46 <derf> Of course, why wouldn't there be?
Dec 02 18:53:04 <kulve> but I think differencies that might make it easier for 2008 than for 207
Dec 02 18:53:05 <kulve> +0
Dec 02 18:53:10 <timelyx> you can either use /bin/login (?) or ssh localhost, or log out of your system (kde/gnome) environment and log in agian
Dec 02 18:53:13 <derf> Well, maybe I'll wait until I get around to installing OS 2008.
Dec 02 18:53:22 <soothsayer> timelyx: Shouldn't starting a login shell work?
Dec 02 18:53:31 <timelyx> it should, sure
Dec 02 18:53:52 <kulve> derf: the 2008 is not a good choice yet, imo. It has some weird bugs and the app support is not good yet
Dec 02 18:53:53 <timelyx> logging out is easier/safer because otherwise if you try a different Terminal window
Dec 02 18:53:59 <timelyx> you'll be confused when it doesn't work
Dec 02 18:54:08 <timelyx> unless that terminal implicitly uses ssh localhost :)
Dec 02 18:54:10 <soothsayer> It doesn't seem to update my group membership
Dec 02 18:54:17 <sp3000> su -l $USER, for one
Dec 02 18:54:21 * sp3000 promotes confusion
Dec 02 18:54:36 <soothsayer> 'bash -l' should work, no?
Dec 02 18:54:48 <sp3000> nah, for whatever reason
Dec 02 18:54:49 <halley> ash doesn't have . .profile?
Dec 02 18:54:55 <derf> kulve: I was, in fact, waiting for more things to get sorted out before switching.
Dec 02 18:55:00 <trunneml_> hi
Dec 02 18:55:35 <derf> Or for my N810 to get here.
Dec 02 18:55:54 <soothsayer> sp3000: Thanks. 'su -l' works
Dec 02 18:55:58 <trunneml_> Im searching the repository of libgdbm-dev
Dec 02 18:56:30 <soothsayer> How much extra space do the debug packages take?
Dec 02 18:56:39 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=libgdbm-dev&find=debian%2Fcontrol&findi=debian%2Fcontrol&filter=&hitlimit=&tree=chinook
Dec 02 18:56:41 <timelyx> trunneml_: it's there
Dec 02 18:56:56 <timelyx>  /gdbm-1.8.3/debian/control,
Dec 02 18:56:56 <timelyx>     * line 21 -- Package: libgdbm-dev
Dec 02 18:56:59 <kulve> derf: I'm waiting for my n810 too :)
Dec 02 18:57:14 <timelyx> i.e., chinook
Dec 02 18:57:21 <kulve> soothsayer: depends. They might take *a lot*
Dec 02 18:57:34 <timelyx> soothsayer: for gecko a debug package can take >100mb :)
Dec 02 18:57:47 <kulve> I think debugs for gtk is >100mb too..
Dec 02 18:57:59 <kulve> (I might be totally wrong thouhg..)
Dec 02 18:58:39 <soothsayer> kulve: I mean whatever packages are installed when you ask for DBG packages when installing the SDK (through installer script)
Dec 02 18:59:00 <soothsayer> kulve: Does that include gtk debug packages?
Dec 02 18:59:04 <pupnik> http://blag.xkcd.com/2007/11/19/growing-up/  XKCD Rules!  Rules!!! I want to hang out with the xkcd folks :|
Dec 02 18:59:22 <trunneml_> timelyx: okay and how i install it into the chinook scratchbox?
Dec 02 18:59:26 <kulve> soothsayer: that probably includes almost all debug packages, so it's probably hundreds on MBs..
Dec 02 18:59:36 <soothsayer> kulve: Thanks
Dec 02 18:59:47 <timelyx> trunneml_: apt-get install libgdbm-dev ?
Dec 02 19:00:00 <trunneml_> no it's not working
Dec 02 19:00:33 <timelyx> well, you could apt-get source libgdbm and then build libgdbm-dev :)
Dec 02 19:01:07 <trunneml_> Unable to find a source package for libgdbm
Dec 02 19:01:14 <trunneml_> thats the message
Dec 02 19:01:17 <timelyx> well, you could apt-get source libgdbm3 and then build libgdbm-dev :)
Dec 02 19:01:35 <trunneml_> oh thats sound better :-)
Dec 02 19:01:47 <kulve> or, apt-get source libgdbm-dev..
Dec 02 19:01:59 <trunneml_> ah how do I bouild a dev package?
Dec 02 19:02:08 <timelyx> kulve: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php says only bora provides libgdbm-dev for 2008
Dec 02 19:02:33 <timelyx> trunneml_: once you apt-get source you'd use dpkgbuildpackage or something
Dec 02 19:02:38 <timelyx> read a doc for that step :)
Dec 02 19:02:46 <kulve> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot
Dec 02 19:03:17 <cbx33> kulve, i just want a nice media player that'll play ogg, mp3 and m3u playlists.....mplyer doesn't seem to work properly with the m3u playlist...
Dec 02 19:03:44 <kulve> have you tried ukmp or kagu? Nice candy ui etc..
Dec 02 19:03:57 <kulve> if you want rough looking ui, use kilikali
Dec 02 19:03:58 <halley> I'm wondering if someone who is familiar with the sdk could rebuild maemocjk.garage for OS2008, to see if it works.
Dec 02 19:05:16 <kulve> timelyx: I meant that you can give the binary package for apt-get source too, it knows what the source package is called (in my chinook target, apt-get source libgdbm-dev downloaded gdbm just fine)
Dec 02 19:05:21 <trunneml_> sorry but dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot creates the package libgdmb3 and not libgedbm-dev
Dec 02 19:05:59 <trunneml_> kulve can you gibe me your reposiroy list?
Dec 02 19:06:09 <timelyx> kulve: it didn't come from chinook
Dec 02 19:06:13 <timelyx> gronmeyer says it isn't there
Dec 02 19:06:23 <timelyx> you got it from bora :)
Dec 02 19:06:38 <timelyx> would someone please find/file a bug about this package being missing from chinook?
Dec 02 19:06:44 <trunneml_> okay so you have repositories from bora and chinook in your scratchbox?
Dec 02 19:06:58 <kulve> deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free
Dec 02 19:07:03 <derf> halley: I certainly hope it does, because I'll need that working before I switch.
Dec 02 19:07:11 <kulve> timelyx: does that include bora sources?
Dec 02 19:07:18 <timelyx> kulve: which?
Dec 02 19:07:24 <halley> derf, don't switch yet then
Dec 02 19:07:30 <timelyx> oh
Dec 02 19:07:32 * timelyx shrugs
Dec 02 19:07:43 <halley> derf, maemocjk maintainer disappeared
Dec 02 19:07:52 <kulve> timelyx: it seems the source is there, the binary is not
Dec 02 19:07:59 <derf> halley: I have commit priveleges.
Dec 02 19:08:13 <kulve> and building it requires chrpath that's not around
Dec 02 19:08:17 <timelyx> kulve: cute isn't it?
Dec 02 19:08:22 <lardman> kulve: it looks like the os2008 kernel automatically outputs dbg() statements :)
Dec 02 19:08:26 <halley> derf, can you try the build?
Dec 02 19:08:35 <derf> halley: I don't have the chinook SDK installed.
Dec 02 19:08:55 <halley> Hm, I wonder if I should put a paypal bounty on this.
Dec 02 19:09:04 <derf> And scratchbox has changed a lot sinced I installed it last.
Dec 02 19:09:13 <trunneml_> yes source is there but no package
Dec 02 19:09:20 <kulve> lardman: huh, if it debugs as much as os2007 did when playing oggs, it's not a good thing..
Dec 02 19:09:29 <kulve> s,oggs,mp3s,
Dec 02 19:09:48 <trunneml_> kulve: same here
Dec 02 19:09:57 <lardman> kulve: I see my dbg() output at least, so saves me flashing my new kernel
Dec 02 19:10:16 <kulve> lardman: well, if it doesn't debug other stuff much, then it's good thing, I guess :)
Dec 02 19:10:53 <lardman> kulve: none of the mailbox stuff thankfully
Dec 02 19:11:22 <kulve> ok, that's the debug I meant
Dec 02 19:11:39 <derf> halley: I'll certainly get to it by the end of January, since I'm going back to Japan in February.
Dec 02 19:11:44 <Segnale007> guys
Dec 02 19:11:54 <derf> But I can't make any promises about doing it sooner.
Dec 02 19:11:58 <Segnale007> Reading package lists... Done
Dec 02 19:11:58 <Segnale007> W: GPG error: http://maemo-hackers.org mistral Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 5FD45CD3EA68E29D
Dec 02 19:11:58 <Segnale007> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
Dec 02 19:12:01 <Segnale007> ;_;
Dec 02 19:12:01 <kulve> "chrpath allows you to modify the dynamic library load path (rpath and runpath) of compiled programs and libraries."
Dec 02 19:12:21 <Segnale007> I need gpg key for maemo hackers repos
Dec 02 19:12:28 <timelyx> Segnale007: there probably isn't one
Dec 02 19:12:32 <timelyx> why do you need it?
Dec 02 19:12:40 <timelyx> can't you read all the code and verify it yourself ;-)
Dec 02 19:12:40 <halley> Segnale007, didn't you ask that already and someone said you didn't?
Dec 02 19:12:50 <Segnale007> but
Dec 02 19:12:52 <Segnale007> I need
Dec 02 19:12:56 <kulve> it's only warning
Dec 02 19:12:59 <Segnale007> can u see that ?
Dec 02 19:13:02 <Segnale007> ah
Dec 02 19:13:08 <Segnale007> it working ?
Dec 02 19:13:12 <Segnale007> I try
Dec 02 19:13:15 <kulve> yeah, it should work just fine
Dec 02 19:13:57 <soothsayer> Segnale007: It's on the home page if I remember right
Dec 02 19:14:26 <soothsayer> Segnale007: http://www.maemo-hackers.org
Dec 02 19:14:33 <Segnale007> k
Dec 02 19:15:00 <Segnale007> this is the key
Dec 02 19:15:01 <Segnale007> http://inz.fi/pubkey.txt
Dec 02 19:15:12 <Segnale007> I have to add it ?
Dec 02 19:15:22 <soothsayer> Segnale007: Yes
Dec 02 19:15:25 <Segnale007> k
Dec 02 19:15:27 <Segnale007> ty man
Dec 02 19:15:59 <soothsayer> Segnale007: apt-key add pubkey.txt
Dec 02 19:16:06 <soothsayer> Segnale007: No problem
Dec 02 19:16:19 <Segnale007> ty
Dec 02 19:16:24 <Segnale007> :)
Dec 02 19:22:12 <lardman> what do we reckon causes a "translation fault" on a Ti C55x DSP?
Dec 02 19:23:03 <halley> A Sophia Coppola bootleg avi?
Dec 02 19:23:59 <lardman> possible.... but probably not
Dec 02 19:24:02 <lardman> :)
Dec 02 19:26:09 <lardman> at least the DSP kernel hasn't crashed :)
Dec 02 19:26:13 <cbx33> hmmm
Dec 02 19:26:20 <cbx33> tried installing kagu and it complains
Dec 02 19:26:24 <cbx33> about libbz
Dec 02 19:26:43 <cbx33> also if I goto update All system pages from the update manager it complins too....
Dec 02 19:26:44 <lardman> oh, it has, was reset successfully
Dec 02 19:28:01 <cbx33> where is libbz?
Dec 02 19:28:02 <kulve> does somebody want to verify that media player doesn't play oggs with my ogg-support hack?
Dec 02 19:28:13 <kulve> on 2008
Dec 02 19:28:20 <cbx33> kulve where can i test/
Dec 02 19:28:33 <cbx33> will it mean it will play oggs very soon?
Dec 02 19:28:35 <cbx33> :p
Dec 02 19:28:50 <kulve> I'm trying to enable that..
Dec 02 19:28:54 <kulve> http://ogg.garage.maemo.org/
Dec 02 19:28:54 <cbx33> awesome
Dec 02 19:28:57 <cbx33> ok
Dec 02 19:28:58 <kulve> add that repo
Dec 02 19:29:08 <kulve> but don't install the ogg-support package
Dec 02 19:29:14 <cbx33> i instlled that earlier and it said...This won't add ogg suport is that the one
Dec 02 19:29:16 <cbx33> hang on I'll test
Dec 02 19:29:21 <cbx33> oh
Dec 02 19:29:23 <cbx33> ok
Dec 02 19:29:26 <kulve> just a sec
Dec 02 19:29:27 <cbx33> what do i install?
Dec 02 19:29:29 <cbx33> ok
Dec 02 19:30:11 <kulve> install that package I just told you privately
Dec 02 19:30:38 <kulve> it will edit one file belonging to the meta layer crawler and the mp's desktop file
Dec 02 19:30:47 <kulve> (and unedit on remove)
Dec 02 19:31:31 <cbx33> hmm
Dec 02 19:31:38 <cbx33> missing lots of deps
Dec 02 19:31:46 <kulve> oh?
Dec 02 19:31:51 <cbx33> need to add the ogg repo
Dec 02 19:31:54 <cbx33> hang on
Dec 02 19:31:58 <kulve> yeah
Dec 02 19:32:04 <kulve> I though you had it already..
Dec 02 19:32:35 <cbx33> components??
Dec 02 19:32:47 <kulve> Web address  : http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian
Dec 02 19:32:47 <kulve> Distribution : chinook
Dec 02 19:32:47 <kulve> Components   : maemo
Dec 02 19:33:39 <kulve> the media player plays the oggs on my device, but I don't understand why that package doesn't seem to enable it on other devices..
Dec 02 19:33:50 <kulve> it plays even ogg videos (theora+mp3) :)
Dec 02 19:34:04 <cbx33> no
Dec 02 19:34:14 <cbx33> what one for the ogg.garage?
Dec 02 19:34:16 <cbx33> compoentsn
Dec 02 19:34:29 <cbx33> i need the gstreamer stuff
Dec 02 19:34:38 <kulve> yeah, they should come from my repo
Dec 02 19:34:42 <cbx33> oh ok
Dec 02 19:34:42 <kulve> i.e. the one I just said
Dec 02 19:35:10 <cbx33> no
Dec 02 19:35:13 <kulve> I added some gst packages to include the plugins missing from the maemo's gst stuff
Dec 02 19:35:25 <cbx33> it dep fail
Dec 02 19:36:15 <kulve> did you refresh the application manager's package list? (it should ask that after editing the catalogues)
Dec 02 19:41:18 <cbx33> yes
Dec 02 19:41:26 <cbx33> i get nothing
Dec 02 19:42:42 <cbx33> if I try to upgrade Operating System it bails too....cannot install it says
Dec 02 19:43:11 <cbx33> ahhh moans about devel
Dec 02 19:43:13 <cbx33> i see
Dec 02 19:43:23 <cbx33> kulve, still can't get it to work
Dec 02 19:43:52 <cbx33> lib vorbis is missing
Dec 02 19:44:01 <cbx33> 6 packages in total
Dec 02 19:44:03 <kulve> it should be there on my repo..
Dec 02 19:44:41 <lardman> hmm, kernel oops now
Dec 02 19:44:51 <kulve> cbx33: http://downloads.maemo.org/product/OS2008/ogg/
Dec 02 19:44:58 <kulve> does that one install?
Dec 02 19:45:13 <cbx33> yes that id
Dec 02 19:45:15 <cbx33> did
Dec 02 19:45:19 <cbx33> i tried it earlier
Dec 02 19:45:41 <cbx33> hmmm
Dec 02 19:46:13 <lopz> apt-get install kagu , exit --> http://rafb.net/p/6nwv2k54.html  any ideas ?
Dec 02 19:46:27 <cbx33> i installed libborbis seperately that wored
Dec 02 19:46:35 <cbx33> but i dont think i have all the gstreamer ones
Dec 02 19:46:37 <zerojay> Why are you using apt-get?
Dec 02 19:47:10 <cbx33> ok kulve installing muanll
Dec 02 19:47:15 <cbx33> will take a few moments
Dec 02 19:47:18 <cbx33> brb
Dec 02 19:48:02 <kulve> cbx33: hmm
Dec 02 19:48:04 <kulve> just sec..
Dec 02 19:49:02 <cbx33> ok installed
Dec 02 19:49:16 <cbx33> testing
Dec 02 19:49:17 <kulve> I think the vorbis dependency shouldn't even be there.. Only ivorbis..
Dec 02 19:49:42 <cbx33> dosen't like streaming ogg
Dec 02 19:49:46 <cbx33> should it?
Dec 02 19:50:04 <kulve> what? the built-in player?
Dec 02 19:50:07 <cbx33> yes
Dec 02 19:50:12 <kulve> I haven't tried that..
Dec 02 19:50:16 <cbx33> with your modification ;)
Dec 02 19:50:33 <kulve> but if you have an ogg on your device, try double clicking it on the filemanager
Dec 02 19:50:39 <kulve> it should open the media player..
Dec 02 19:50:41 <cbx33> ok
Dec 02 19:51:23 <cbx33> opens
Dec 02 19:51:27 <cbx33> but doesn't ply
Dec 02 19:51:29 <cbx33> play
Dec 02 19:51:50 <kulve> it says "file format not supported"?
Dec 02 19:51:55 <cbx33> yup
Dec 02 19:52:02 <kulve> :(
Dec 02 19:52:54 <kulve> I'll try to do some testing..
Dec 02 19:52:55 <kulve> bbiam
Dec 02 19:53:00 <cbx33> be back in a few minutes
Dec 02 19:53:02 <cbx33> ok thanks
Dec 02 20:01:50 <kulve> cbx33: I copied a new version over the old one. Now you can remove the libvorbis0a and it will take only 20% of the cpu (as it should). Doesn't help with the mp yet though..
Dec 02 20:07:27 <cbx33> ok
Dec 02 20:07:31 <cbx33> I'll update
Dec 02 20:12:49 <kulve> aah, stupid mp. Stupid!
Dec 02 20:13:28 <zerojay> Wrestling with Media Player too, eh?
Dec 02 20:13:33 <kulve> it plays audio/x-vorbis, but not application/ogg..
Dec 02 20:14:10 <kulve> cbx33: I'll prepare a new package for you..
Dec 02 20:14:32 <kulve> hopefully updateing works as remove+install in this case..
Dec 02 20:15:41 <zerojay> kulve: You think you've finally cracked ogg playing on Media Player?
Dec 02 20:15:50 <kulve> maybe
Dec 02 20:15:56 <cbx33> kulve, it still depended on that libvorbis package.
Dec 02 20:16:05 <kulve> cbx33: which one exactly?
Dec 02 20:16:12 <cbx33> libvorbis0a
Dec 02 20:16:14 <cbx33> br
Dec 02 20:16:41 <kulve> weird, I was able to remove it once updated to the new 0.4 version..
Dec 02 20:17:07 <cbx33> hmmm
Dec 02 20:17:08 <cbx33> oh
Dec 02 20:17:13 <cbx33> i removed ogg-support
Dec 02 20:17:21 <cbx33> ermoved libvorbis0a
Dec 02 20:17:27 <cbx33> then installed ogg-support
Dec 02 20:17:31 <cbx33> from your pacakge
Dec 02 20:17:35 <cbx33> and it b0rked
Dec 02 20:17:51 <kulve> I just uploaded a new version there..
Dec 02 20:17:56 <kulve> again with the same name
Dec 02 20:18:04 <cbx33> ok
Dec 02 20:18:07 <cbx33> will try
Dec 02 20:18:21 <cbx33> if it want's libvorbis what shoud i do?
Dec 02 20:18:24 <cbx33> instll it?
Dec 02 20:18:30 <kulve> for now yeah
Dec 02 20:18:42 <cbx33> ko
Dec 02 20:18:44 <kulve> but in that case I think you are downloading it from cache or something..
Dec 02 20:19:05 <kulve> actually, if it wants that vorbis, don't install it..
Dec 02 20:19:12 <kulve> I'll give you a different url..
Dec 02 20:19:32 <kulve> it should want only libvorbisidec1, which is the integer only version
Dec 02 20:19:41 <kulve> (plus the gst etc stuff)
Dec 02 20:23:41 <cbx33> can you rename it
Dec 02 20:23:45 <cbx33> i think its caching it
Dec 02 20:23:59 <cbx33> rename I'll try gain in 5 minuts=es in the dir
Dec 02 20:24:04 <cbx33> push the rev up by 1
Dec 02 20:24:08 <cbx33> or someting
Dec 02 20:24:48 <kulve> well, it seems that it doesn't even work yet.. Now the ogg was added to the library, but still "fileformat not supported"..
Dec 02 20:25:09 <kulve> cbx33: remove the /m from the url
Dec 02 20:25:42 <kulve> argh, stupid typo
Dec 02 20:25:44 <kulve> wait a sec
Dec 02 20:26:45 <kulve> now
Dec 02 20:26:48 <cbx33> ok
Dec 02 20:27:20 <cbx33> i can't ccess that dir
Dec 02 20:27:43 <kulve> yuo should be able to download the direct url, the indexing is forbidden
Dec 02 20:29:15 <cbx33> ok
Dec 02 20:29:19 <cbx33> samename?
Dec 02 20:29:33 <kulve> yeah
Dec 02 20:30:13 <cbx33> ok installing
Dec 02 20:30:16 <cbx33> hang on I'll try it
Dec 02 20:30:17 <kulve> hah! the Map cannot save the maps to external card, but it can read them there :)
Dec 02 20:30:20 <kulve> (OT)
Dec 02 20:30:30 <kulve> cbx33: rename the ogg you have
Dec 02 20:30:37 <kulve> cbx33: or the dir
Dec 02 20:30:44 <fysa> is it possible to get xscreensaver running?
Dec 02 20:30:54 <cbx33> ok
Dec 02 20:31:05 <kulve> cbx33: the meta layer crawler knows already the current ones and have wrong mime type for them
Dec 02 20:31:08 <cbx33> it didn't work with the same name
Dec 02 20:31:10 <cbx33> ok
Dec 02 20:32:13 <kulve> hmm.. seems that it doesn't still work..?
Dec 02 20:32:41 <cbx33> no
Dec 02 20:32:46 <cbx33> it knows how long the file is though
Dec 02 20:33:07 <cbx33> any idea where I can get libbz from people?
Dec 02 20:34:47 * czr peeks
Dec 02 20:35:18 <zerojay> kulve: If you guys get this ogg thing working sometime soon, let me know and I'll add ogg support for my scrobbling script.
Dec 02 20:35:30 <kulve> zerojay: ack
Dec 02 20:36:30 <zerojay> It's going to be nice having Maemoscrobbler support in Media Player. :D
Dec 02 20:36:42 <kulve> cbx33: hmm.. Edit your /usr/share/applications/hildon/mp_ui.desktop. My package messed up the Mimetype line. There's one 2audio/x-vorbis too much. That isn't probably the cause for the not-playing-oggs..
Dec 02 20:38:19 <cbx33> brb
Dec 02 20:38:23 <cbx33> just gotta swith machines
Dec 02 20:43:41 <cbx33> ok kulve what did you tell me to do
Dec 02 20:43:53 <kulve> cbx33: hmm.. Edit your /usr/share/applications/hildon/mp_ui.desktop. My package messed up the Mimetype line. There's one 2audio/x-vorbis too much. That isn't probably the cause for the not-playing-oggs..
Dec 02 20:44:30 <cbx33> how can i edit it
Dec 02 20:44:36 <cbx33> i'll need root privs no?
Dec 02 20:44:39 <kulve> yes
Dec 02 20:44:40 <cbx33> I need to get nano
Dec 02 20:44:45 <kulve> there's vi :)
Dec 02 20:44:54 <cbx33> ko
Dec 02 20:44:59 <kulve> leave it there, if it's a problem..
Dec 02 20:45:46 <kulve> and it seems that the app.mgr. won't install deps if the package is not being installed from a repository, even if the deps are available :(
Dec 02 20:45:55 <cbx33> yeh
Dec 02 20:46:58 <cbx33> i only had one of those lines
Dec 02 20:47:38 <cbx33> ok so if not
Dec 02 20:47:43 <cbx33> libbz????? anyone???
Dec 02 20:54:46 <cbx33> seems kagu doesn't install yet on os2008
Dec 02 20:55:20 <zerojay> It does.
Dec 02 20:55:34 <cbx33> not here
Dec 02 20:55:42 <cbx33> moans about libbz not being available
Dec 02 20:55:45 <zerojay> Installed just fine here.
Dec 02 20:55:52 <zerojay> You're probably missing a repo.
Dec 02 20:56:07 <cbx33> can you tell me which repo had libbz.....please!!
Dec 02 20:56:22 <zerojay> I don't know which one has it offhand.
Dec 02 20:56:38 <kulve> cbx33: I just don't get this. On my device, there's no id3 info, but the ogg plays. On the other device, the mp gets artist/etc but doesn't play it..
Dec 02 20:56:40 <cbx33> can't you apt-cache show libbz?
Dec 02 20:56:46 <cbx33> hehhe
Dec 02 20:56:48 <zerojay> Ironically, I'm uninstalling Kagu in a few minutes as the only reason I ever used it, scrobbling, I can now do without it.
Dec 02 20:56:54 <zerojay> cbx33: Is that all you need?
Dec 02 20:56:59 <cbx33> apparently
Dec 02 20:57:10 <cbx33> i just wanna play oggs
Dec 02 20:57:12 <cbx33> and mp3s
Dec 02 20:57:18 <cbx33> and m3u playlists
Dec 02 20:57:23 <zerojay> Unable to locate package libbz.
Dec 02 20:57:28 <cbx33> BLARG!!!!
Dec 02 20:57:38 <zerojay> Media player plays m3u playlists.
Dec 02 20:57:45 <cbx33> but not ogg
Dec 02 20:58:28 <cbx33> libbbz2
Dec 02 20:58:30 <cbx33> libbz2
Dec 02 20:58:32 <cbx33> try that
Dec 02 20:58:58 <zerojay> Returns with nothing, no error either.
Dec 02 20:59:27 <zerojay> These kinds of things happen when you start using apt...
Dec 02 20:59:45 <cbx33> apt-cache madison libbz2
Dec 02 21:00:36 <zerojay> Same thing.
Dec 02 21:00:49 <cbx33> grrr
Dec 02 21:01:02 <lopz> arg!
Dec 02 21:01:08 <cbx33> come on kulve you can do it!!!!
Dec 02 21:01:11 <lopz> http://rafb.net/p/TysMdx89.html <- any ideas ?
Dec 02 21:01:40 <lopz> threads.py is -> http://rafb.net/p/Q9XXoU62.html
Dec 02 21:01:54 <lopz> whats the problem ?
Dec 02 21:02:14 <kulve> cbx33: do you see the id3 info from your ogg?
Dec 02 21:02:25 <cbx33> i see time information
Dec 02 21:03:58 <kulve> if I click the view that shows only the song currently playing, it shows the real name and artist too..
Dec 02 21:05:37 <lopz> any idea for my problem?
Dec 02 21:08:59 <fysa> xscreensaver
Dec 02 21:10:59 <pupnik> hrm
Dec 02 21:13:02 <lopz> eh ?
Dec 02 21:13:32 <lopz> I not have idea, help me please :)
Dec 02 21:14:20 <cbx33> kulve, anything?
Dec 02 21:14:48 <kulve> cbx33: no :(
Dec 02 21:14:57 <kulve> it plays on my device, but I don't know why :(
Dec 02 21:15:06 <kulve> the only difference I see is the id3 info
Dec 02 21:15:47 <kulve> on the other device they are in /home/user/.meta_storage and also mp shows them but won't play. And vice versa on the other device
Dec 02 21:16:07 <kulve> I'll have to get some sleep know, but I'll continue debugging tomorrow evening..
Dec 02 21:16:23 <cbx33> ko
Dec 02 21:17:32 <kulve> cbx33: did you flash 2008 and restore it2007 backup?
Dec 02 21:17:43 <cbx33> yes
Dec 02 21:18:51 <kulve> well, that's another difference, but that starts to be a bit far fetched..
Dec 02 21:19:48 <cbx33> hmmm
Dec 02 21:22:41 <cbx33> no one got any ideas about libbz2?
Dec 02 21:32:14 <cbx33> is it because I have devel extras?
Dec 02 21:32:46 <GeneralAntilles> Did you enable chinook extras?
Dec 02 21:33:07 <cbx33> yeh
Dec 02 21:33:16 <cbx33> else i couldn't see kagu in app manager
Dec 02 21:34:00 <cbx33> hmmm
Dec 02 21:34:09 <cbx33> may have found something
Dec 02 21:34:13 <cbx33> though doubt it
Dec 02 21:34:30 <cbx33> no
Dec 02 21:34:40 <cbx33> extras had no component
Dec 02 21:34:57 <cbx33> i mean
Dec 02 21:35:00 <cbx33> distribution
Dec 02 21:35:07 <GeneralAntilles> It defaults to lastest.
Dec 02 21:35:17 <GeneralAntilles> Well, _should_.
Dec 02 21:35:18 <cbx33> ok
Dec 02 21:35:21 <cbx33> then I'm stuck
Dec 02 21:35:28 <cbx33> why the heck can't I find libbz2
Dec 02 21:37:13 <zerojay> Perhaps you've already got it installed?
Dec 02 21:38:14 <cbx33> nope
Dec 02 21:38:27 <zerojay> Red pill mode?
Dec 02 21:38:36 <cbx33> yup
Dec 02 21:38:45 <cbx33> if I do apt-get install kagu
Dec 02 21:38:53 <cbx33> it doesn't moan about libbz2
Dec 02 21:38:53 <zerojay> Don't use apt-get.
Dec 02 21:38:57 <cbx33> but about some python pagkages
Dec 02 21:38:58 <zerojay> You're just begging for trouble.
Dec 02 21:39:01 <cbx33> really>?
Dec 02 21:39:25 <m-vo> Hmm, nahh, apt-get should be OK to use.
Dec 02 21:39:47 <zerojay> I've seen it cause enough problems on my own tablet to swear it off.
Dec 02 21:40:00 <cbx33> oh
Dec 02 21:40:07 <cbx33> hmm
Dec 02 21:40:11 <m-vo> The thing that is getting out of hand with OS2008 when you use apt-get is the new "domain system".
Dec 02 21:40:13 <zerojay> Red pill mode shows that I have libbz2-1.0 installed.
Dec 02 21:40:46 <zerojay> libbz2-1.0 - v1.0.3-1
Dec 02 21:40:51 <m-vo> zerojay, care to elaborate a bit?  I'm professionally interested in that kind of stuff.
Dec 02 21:40:55 <cbx33> hmm
Dec 02 21:41:07 <cbx33> apt-cache depends kagu
Dec 02 21:41:10 <zerojay> cbx33: The -1.0 is a part of the package name.
Dec 02 21:41:15 <cbx33> shows a different list to what app manager says
Dec 02 21:41:26 <cbx33> i did dpkg -l | grep libbz
Dec 02 21:41:38 <zerojay> m-vo: Lots of stuff just stops working. App manager basically takes a dirt nap after a while.
Dec 02 21:41:56 <m-vo> Hmm....
Dec 02 21:42:06 * m-vo has to lookup "dirt nap"...
Dec 02 21:42:11 <cbx33> application pacakges missing: libbz2-1.0
Dec 02 21:42:24 <zerojay> I'd help you if I could, but generally speaking, apt-get is a mess anyways, so I got what I expected.
Dec 02 21:42:42 <zerojay> Had to reflash to be able to install anything with app manager again.
Dec 02 21:42:47 <cbx33> I don;t want to use apt-get
Dec 02 21:43:11 <cbx33> but i can't see where libbz2 is coming from
Dec 02 21:44:19 <m-vo> Heh, "dirt nap", funny. :)
Dec 02 21:44:47 <m-vo> Ok, app manager is basically another front end to the same library as apt-get.
Dec 02 21:45:09 <m-vo> It could be that apt-get gets the system into a state that the app manager has never seen and can not cope with.
Dec 02 21:45:23 <m-vo> That would be a bug in the app manager and should be fixed.
Dec 02 21:45:31 <m-vo> I have never seen that, tho.
Dec 02 21:46:17 <m-vo> On the other hand, it is of course possible to get your dependencies into such a mess that neither apt-get nor app manager can do their work.
Dec 02 21:46:41 <m-vo> So, did you do anything brutal?  Dpkg --force-all, etc?
Dec 02 21:46:53 <cbx33> zerojay, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=101224&postcount=4
Dec 02 21:46:59 <cbx33> surely that's not a sane thing to do
Dec 02 21:47:23 <cbx33> that's old stuff isn't it
Dec 02 21:47:24 <m-vo> I guess what I am asking is: did the app manager crash?  hang?  Or did just every installation fail with a cryptic error message?
Dec 02 21:47:31 <zerojay> Nope, but it's been a while since I did it so I don't remember much about what i did or when. Suffice it to say, I won't bother with apt-get whatsoever.
Dec 02 21:48:20 <zerojay> There were times when it crashed. Other times it would say "unable to install ______"
Dec 02 21:48:31 <cbx33> zerojay, could I see your sources.list?
Dec 02 21:49:06 <zerojay> cbx33: Hang on.
Dec 02 21:49:15 <cbx33> thanks
Dec 02 21:49:52 <m-vo> zerojay, sorry to hear that, but you shouldn't blame apt-get.  Blame the app manager.  It should cope.  If stuff like this happens again, please file a bug.
Dec 02 21:50:00 <zerojay> cbx33: /etc/apt/sources.list.
Dec 02 21:50:28 <zerojay> m-vo: It's the same kind of stuff I used to see on Debian all the time... nothing new.
Dec 02 21:50:41 <zerojay> cbx33: /etc/apt/sources.list?
Dec 02 21:51:04 <zerojay> m-vo: I would have filed a bug if I had found a reproduction rule.
Dec 02 21:51:05 <cbx33> yes
Dec 02 21:51:11 <zerojay> cbx33: It's empty.
Dec 02 21:51:18 <cbx33> eh??
Dec 02 21:51:43 <m-vo> Look into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
Dec 02 21:51:44 <PaulTardKC> Does anyone here use a Stowaway Bluetooth keyboard?
Dec 02 21:54:44 <zerojay> cbx33: http://paste.uni.cc/17701
Dec 02 21:54:44 <pupnik> yes
Dec 02 21:55:00 <pupnik> works well.  if you have to type lots of numbers, consider getting the sierra.
Dec 02 21:55:02 <cbx33> thnks
Dec 02 22:07:39 <lardman> eureka!
Dec 02 22:08:35 <lardman> ioctl(fd, 0x80); doesn't appear to actually send anything to the dsp task
Dec 02 22:19:31 <p|> does exists gtk-config on maemo ?
Dec 02 22:20:25 <cbx33> hahaha
Dec 02 22:20:32 <cbx33> i think it must have been an upgrade issue
Dec 02 22:20:48 <cbx33> my default repository.maemo.org chinook free non-free repo was missing
Dec 02 22:28:51 <cbx33> grr
Dec 02 22:31:27 <cbx33> ok i give up
Dec 02 22:31:33 <cbx33> i can't play ogg streams on the n800
Dec 02 22:33:06 <pupnik> using what program?
Dec 02 22:36:41 <cbx33> anything
Dec 02 22:36:48 <cbx33> from gnump3d
Dec 02 22:37:33 <cbx33> it calls it an m3u
Dec 02 22:37:36 <cbx33> but it's an ogg
Dec 02 22:37:37 <pupnik> mplayer should also play streams, but i think that's awkward
Dec 02 22:37:42 <cbx33> it';s crap
Dec 02 22:37:50 <cbx33> totem plays it fine
Dec 02 22:37:54 <cbx33> no problem
Dec 02 22:38:12 <cbx33> mplayer, just downloads the firs 300bytes.....and then caches it....and then stops
Dec 02 22:38:14 <cbx33> and ends
Dec 02 22:38:27 <pupnik> got a stream for me to test?
Dec 02 22:38:39 <cbx33> unfortunately not
Dec 02 22:40:48 <lardman> note to self, don't try to define ioctl commands in the range 0x80-0xff as they are disabled in the current dspgateway
Dec 02 22:41:13 <cbx33> pupnik, what distro you running?
Dec 02 22:41:30 <SignalN800> hi there
Dec 02 22:41:46 <cbx33> just get gnump3d and whack a few audio files in /var/music
Dec 02 22:41:49 <cbx33> it works well
Dec 02 22:41:56 <cbx33> but just not on the n800
Dec 02 22:42:15 <pupnik> mplayer http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/41_30secOgg-b64M.ogg  works here on 770
Dec 02 22:42:20 <lopz> bye
Dec 02 22:42:31 <cbx33> why not here
Dec 02 22:42:39 <cbx33> is it because it calls it an m3u i wonder
Dec 02 22:42:52 <pupnik> try that link
Dec 02 22:43:32 <pupnik> http://qurl.org/yX
Dec 02 22:43:33 <pupnik> short link
Dec 02 22:43:54 <cbx33> ty
Dec 02 22:44:44 <cbx33> yup works
Dec 02 22:44:50 <cbx33> so i wonder what is different
Dec 02 22:45:03 <pupnik> i can't give m3u files to mplayer - i have to give it the ogg or stream URL directly (btw)
Dec 02 22:45:37 <pupnik> so if someone gives you a link to a stream in the form of a .m3u, download it and look at the URL contained in the .m3u file
Dec 02 22:46:01 <pupnik> but this is all - very inconvenient - perhaps you would do best contacting the author of your favorite audio player
Dec 02 22:46:07 <lardman> what does "Bad file descriptor" signify?
Dec 02 22:46:17 <pupnik> and discussing it directly with them, instead of with ppl who have little influence
Dec 02 22:46:48 <pupnik> i only saw that with a corrupt filesystem lardman
Dec 02 22:46:56 <cbx33> do you know of a media player for the n800 that will work like we disucseed?
Dec 02 22:47:17 <cbx33> pupnik, gnump3d seems to work really nicely, it's a shame that mplayer can't playit
Dec 02 22:47:17 <pupnik> no i only have 770 - and haven't used much audio streaming
Dec 02 22:47:20 <cbx33> xmms can
Dec 02 22:47:28 <cbx33> winamp can
Dec 02 22:47:32 <cbx33> totem can
Dec 02 22:47:58 <pupnik> where is gnump3d?
Dec 02 22:48:23 <pupnik> never heard of it
Dec 02 22:48:28 <cbx33> i got it from ubutnu repo
Dec 02 22:48:35 <cbx33> it's a really nice media streaming server
Dec 02 22:52:26 <pupnik> oh
Dec 02 22:54:11 <shackan> zeenix: ping
Dec 02 22:54:18 <pupnik> lame that the default 'Audio Player' doesn't support ogg at all.
Dec 02 22:54:27 <pupnik> that's really sad for a linux handheld
Dec 02 22:54:42 <cbx33> yes
Dec 02 22:54:45 <shackan> does os2008 do wmv ?
Dec 02 22:54:51 <cbx33> kilikali - how to get it to support ogg
Dec 02 22:55:11 <pupnik> maybe we should make a poll on internettablettalk.com about ogg support
Dec 02 22:55:31 <shackan> because I recorded some tv shows and then they didn't play, which is strange since there's wma support
Dec 02 22:58:34 <ShyBoy> can someone point me out what is the problem here? http://pastebin.com/d65574792
Dec 02 22:59:46 <zeenix> shackan: pong! though i am about to sleep
Dec 02 23:00:33 <pupnik> po/Makefile.in' is already registered with AC_CONFIG_FILES.
Dec 02 23:00:33 <shackan> zeenix: quick, you wrote gmediaserver?
Dec 02 23:00:43 <zeenix> shackan: not at all :)
Dec 02 23:00:51 <shackan> oh, ok, sorry then
Dec 02 23:00:55 <zeenix> np
Dec 02 23:00:56 <ShyBoy> pupnik: do i need to change something in the code?
Dec 02 23:00:58 <EnderTheThird> we don't have a mobile navigator for the n810 right now, do we?  the mapping software i've seen is maps only, with no navigation, right?
Dec 02 23:01:08 <shackan> zeenix: because I have an mp3 which constantly crashes it
Dec 02 23:01:11 <pupnik> dunno but that's the relevant error
Dec 02 23:01:51 <zeenix> shackan: i won't have any clues
Dec 02 23:01:59 <zeenix> shackan: sorry!
Dec 02 23:02:05 <shackan> np, good night
Dec 02 23:02:10 * |R agrees with pupnik about ogg
Dec 02 23:02:13 <zeenix> g'night to all
Dec 02 23:03:04 <cbx33> ok kilikali doesn't play oggs streams
Dec 02 23:03:08 <cbx33> I agree pupnik
Dec 02 23:03:11 <ShyBoy> pupnik: I do not have any Makefile.in in po folder
Dec 02 23:03:12 <cbx33> IT sux
Dec 02 23:03:19 <cbx33> i don't want to mke all my music in mp3
Dec 02 23:03:23 <cbx33> I want it in ogg
Dec 02 23:04:09 <pupnik> search ITT and if there's no resolution for it, make a poll thread cbx33
Dec 02 23:04:45 <pupnik> ShyBoy: automake and stuff is very scary to me and i generally cower and hide in the corner and suck my thumb when it breaks
Dec 02 23:06:13 <cbx33> well
Dec 02 23:06:18 <cbx33> I've about given up
Dec 02 23:06:24 <cbx33> maybe I'll try mp3 tomorrow
Dec 02 23:13:20 <lardman> night all
Dec 02 23:14:41 <khertan> it seems there is a bug with the command df in busy box .... "df -h /"
Dec 02 23:14:52 <khertan> reth
Dec 02 23:14:56 <derf> Just do df -h
Dec 02 23:14:57 <khertan> return nothing
Dec 02 23:15:08 <khertan> no ... i want just / not all
Dec 02 23:15:17 <derf> Well, do df -h and grep for the one you want.
Dec 02 23:15:52 <khertan> yes ... but it s work with df -h / in anyother system it s bug :)
Dec 02 23:16:02 <khertan> (thanks for the tips to use grep ...)
Dec 02 23:16:17 <khertan> havent think of it ... too late /)
Dec 02 23:16:21 <khertan> i ll go to sleep
Dec 02 23:16:22 <derf> df -h / has never worked.
Dec 02 23:16:38 <derf> I assume it's a "feature" of busybox.
Dec 02 23:34:01 <K`zan> Camera been released for 2008 yet?
Dec 03 00:05:36 <Atarii> zerojay u there?
Dec 03 00:09:25 <zerojay> Atarii: Am now.
Dec 03 00:09:45 <zerojay> K`zan: No, but you can use knips.
Dec 03 00:14:50 <zerojay> Atarii: Sup?
Dec 03 00:15:31 <Atarii> pms gogogo
Dec 03 00:16:03 <zerojay> Can't PM unless I'm registered.
Dec 03 00:16:09 <zerojay> And I'm too lazy.
Dec 03 00:16:17 <zerojay> What nick did you register?
Dec 03 00:16:28 <zerojay> Oh, never mind, found it.
Dec 03 00:16:43 <Atarii> :)
Dec 03 00:17:18 <zerojay> I'll give you a new pass. You should be able to change it to whatever you want if you use a PC Jabber client and login first.
Dec 03 00:17:28 <Atarii> kk
Dec 03 00:17:37 <pupnik> MITT ROMNEY campaign committing MASSIVE VOTING FRAUD at latest florida straw poll.  Giuliani campaign organizer threatens whistleblower "You'll get hurt if you make a big deal out of this."  http://www.digg.com/2008_us_elections/Giuliani_supporter_says_to_RP_supporter_you_will_get_hurt   http://kineticreaction.blogspot.com/2007/12/giuliani-supporter-says-to-rp-supporter.html  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDjPY_ngxNU
Dec 03 00:17:38 <zerojay> Send me a PM with your e-mail address.
Dec 03 00:18:40 <zerojay> k, hang on.
Dec 03 00:18:57 <Atarii> lol thanks
Dec 03 00:19:38 <K`zan> zerojay: Will check it out thanks!  Now if we can just get fmradio :-).
Dec 03 00:21:31 <zerojay> K`zan: There's another app for that.. a python script.
Dec 03 00:21:39 <zerojay> Atarii: Check your e-mail.
Dec 03 00:21:51 <K`zan> zerojay: Err, whereis that hidden (knips)?
Dec 03 00:22:13 <K`zan> Wading through the apps...
Dec 03 00:22:15 <zerojay> I don't remember where I found it. I think if you just look up chinook knips you should be able to find it.
Dec 03 00:22:21 <zerojay> Look it up on Google.
Dec 03 00:22:30 <K`zan> rr, wilco, thanks
Dec 03 00:22:38 <zerojay> I'll warn you now... it's unstable, but then again all the camera apps are.
Dec 03 00:24:07 <Atarii> thanks zerojay
Dec 03 00:24:15 <Atarii> damn nothin recieved yet
Dec 03 00:24:41 <zerojay> Let me know if you need anything else... or if it just never arrives.
Dec 03 00:25:16 <Atarii> k, hope server side antispam doesnt eat it
Dec 03 00:28:12 <zerojay> Well, your password isn't "penis", so you should be safe. :)
Dec 03 00:29:10 <Atarii> lol
Dec 03 00:31:02 <Atarii> k just arrived <3
Dec 03 00:32:44 <K`zan> zerojay: Noticed that with camera too, had to run / exit it until the frame was sync'd.
Dec 03 00:33:08 <zerojay> Sometimes, camera would just freeze up my entire tablet until I had to pull the battery.
Dec 03 00:35:45 <K`zan> Ouch!  Never had that happen, fortunately.
Dec 03 00:36:48 <K`zan> Two new apps :-) Qt4 for os2008 4.3.2 and Qt4 for os2008 4.3.2 !
Dec 03 00:36:59 <K`zan> LOL
Dec 03 00:41:04 <doc|home> anyone still have libglade upgrade issues?
Dec 03 00:45:59 <K`zan> OK, now I know what jaiku is, looks like when Google started gmail, gotta get an invite to join.
Dec 03 00:46:11 <K`zan> Neat idea from what I can tell of it.
Dec 03 00:46:36 <zerojay> Quite a lot of tablet people are using it because of Mauku.
Dec 03 00:46:38 <zerojay> Myself included.
Dec 03 00:47:01 <K`zan> Guess I'll try for an invite then, handy for that too!
Dec 03 00:48:08 <b0unc3> are the nfs-modules disposable for OS2008 ?
Dec 03 00:48:31 <zerojay> b0unc3: You mean available?
Dec 03 00:48:39 <b0unc3> zerojay: yes
Dec 03 00:49:14 <K`zan> Wonder if one can watch channels there without being a member, gonna go root around and see.
Dec 03 00:49:24 <zerojay> You can.
Dec 03 00:49:46 <K`zan> Cool, not much to say at this point, so it is just as well LOL.
Dec 03 00:51:34 <b0unc3> zerojay: there is something like rx-34-kernel-nfs-modules and portmap pkg in some repo ?
Dec 03 00:51:46 <zerojay> I haven't a clue, sorry.
Dec 03 00:51:52 <zerojay> I believe I did see portmap though.
Dec 03 00:53:18 <b0unc3> zerojay: ok
Dec 03 01:28:16 <lopz> re
Dec 03 01:33:15 <pupnik> grr
Dec 03 01:33:22 <pupnik> still enjoying the N800 i hope doc|home
Dec 03 01:33:22 <K`zan> grr(2)
Dec 03 01:33:37 <pupnik> hi K`zan
Dec 03 01:33:41 <K`zan> :-)
Dec 03 01:33:53 <doc|home> pupnik: very much so :)
Dec 03 01:34:24 <pupnik> this makes me happy
Dec 03 01:34:47 <doc|home> pupnik: would be nice if the libglade stuff wasn't acting up
Dec 03 01:55:18 <K`zan> Is anyone able to actually move stuff around in 2008 control-panel->organize applications?  This is frustrating to be stuck with defaults.
Dec 03 01:56:23 <K`zan> I've dragged map to all categories, SEVERAL times, to both text and icons and it won't move.  WTF?!?
Dec 03 01:56:42 <K`zan> Do I have to uninstall and then re-install to put it in some other folder?
Dec 03 01:57:40 <K`zan> Aha, drag text to text seems to work most often!
Dec 03 02:00:32 <K`zan> FBreader won't move :-(.  Is there some place where I do this from xterm?
Dec 03 02:01:47 <K`zan> Finally, on the 64 th drag and drop :).
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