**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 03 02:59:56 2007
Dec 03 03:06:53 <lophyte-n> hey all... any idea how to re-install libmediaplayer0?
Dec 03 03:20:23 <TheFool2> does anyone here have experience doing bluetooth files transfers between their phone and their internet tablet? I am having some rather annoying issues.
Dec 03 03:21:41 <GeneralAntilles> Some phones support the profile well, some do not.
Dec 03 03:21:48 <GeneralAntilles> Sometimes it helps to try from the other end.
Dec 03 03:22:59 <TheFool2> thats a shame, my phone has a lot more storage than my 770. I was hoping it was something on the tablet side, and thus that it would be fixed eventually :(
Dec 03 03:23:28 <TheFool2> Ok, haven't actually tried accessing the tablet from the phone
Dec 03 03:25:29 <GeneralAntilles> That usually works better for me.
Dec 03 03:26:14 <TheFool2> hmm, lol I can't find how to do that from the phone :(
Dec 03 03:35:51 <TheFool2> ok seems to work that way :), thanks
Dec 03 03:39:52 <l7> hrm, i hate how my stowaway has begun to spit out the same keypress about five times in a row after it's been idle
Dec 03 03:41:16 <GeneralAntilles> Have another bluetooth connection?
Dec 03 03:42:12 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2166
Dec 03 03:43:18 * halley ponders a PayPal bounty to someone getting maemocjk.garage working on OS2008.
Dec 03 03:51:33 <l7> GeneralAntilles: well i have other bluetooth devices, but none are active
Dec 03 03:51:39 <l7> besides the stowaway
Dec 03 03:51:47 <l7> i was wondering if it was a keyboard profile issue
Dec 03 03:52:03 <l7> there really should be a stowaway profile in the OS
Dec 03 03:52:10 <l7> maybe 2008 has it
Dec 03 03:52:28 <l7> unless nokia wants you to buy _their_ keyboard :/
Dec 03 03:56:34 <crevetor> hi
Dec 03 03:56:36 <astro76> it's bluetooth HID, a profile should not be necessary
Dec 03 03:57:58 <crevetor> Problem : I just put my device in R&D mode, changed the password for user, updated sudoers file to have user ALL PASSWD: ALL at the end, run a visudo -c and now my device boots alright but never show the interface (keeps stuck on the nokia screen with the progress bar)
Dec 03 03:58:15 <crevetor> is there anything i could try before reflashing it ?
Dec 03 03:59:02 <GeneralAntilles> User shouldn't have a password.
Dec 03 03:59:21 <halley> There's no problem with user having a passwd.
Dec 03 03:59:47 <crevetor> I guess there isn't a way to access the device to modify this...
Dec 03 04:00:03 <halley> Had you gotten OpenSSH on there first?
Dec 03 04:00:28 <crevetor> halley only the client and the network isn't up at that point
Dec 03 04:02:07 <crevetor> well i'll reflash it yet again
Dec 03 04:13:02 <ldspartan> is skype not installable or upgradeable for everyone else on n800 with os2008 right now?
Dec 03 04:16:27 <l7_> did ctrl-c stop working for anyone else spontaneously on a bluetooth keyboard?
Dec 03 04:16:54 <l7_> ctrl-c for copy that is
Dec 03 04:17:00 <l7_> and cut and paste
Dec 03 04:17:20 <l7_> it was working when i first set it up, but i think messing with keyboard profiles broke it
Dec 03 04:17:42 <l7_> then i tried all three keyboard profiles in OS2007
Dec 03 04:17:54 <l7_> none brought it back, so it is a mystery
Dec 03 04:18:08 <K`zan> reset the keyboard ?!?
Dec 03 04:18:10 <halley> Try hitting Ctrl a number of times?
Dec 03 04:18:18 <l7_> another one for bug reports i guess
Dec 03 04:18:22 <l7_> reset the keyboard?
Dec 03 04:18:27 <l7_> delete profile you mean?
Dec 03 04:18:44 <l7_> 
Dec 03 04:18:45 <l7_> 
Dec 03 04:19:00 <l7_> it's only broken in osso xterm
Dec 03 04:19:09 <l7_> maybe it's an xterm issue
Dec 03 04:19:15 <l7_> it's still works in other apps
Dec 03 04:19:22 <K`zan> Possible, I don't have one so that was just a guess :).
Dec 03 04:21:12 <l7_> 
Dec 03 04:21:22 <l7_> 
Dec 03 04:21:35 <halley> Can you NOT test your keyboard in this channel?
Dec 03 04:21:47 <l7_> okay okay
Dec 03 04:21:53 <l7_> i thought i almost had it
Dec 03 04:22:30 <astro76> l7_, out of curiousity do you have the ultra-slim or the bigger one?
Dec 03 04:22:45 <l7_> astro76: the ultra-slim
Dec 03 04:22:55 <l7_> did you encounter something similar?
Dec 03 04:23:08 <astro76> l7_, I encountered issues with os2007, it works flawlessly now with 2008
Dec 03 04:23:17 <l7_> it might have something to do with the ctrl "button"
Dec 03 04:23:18 <l7_> hrm
Dec 03 04:23:35 <astro76> l7_, for instance setting the shortcuts, I would get this <alt2> popping up with I did <Fn>C, also, the defaul shortcuts are now sensible
Dec 03 04:24:04 <astro76> l7_, but either way the only profile you want is generic 105-key
Dec 03 04:24:10 <l7_> i guess i will have to get 2008
Dec 03 04:24:13 <astro76> yeah
Dec 03 04:24:25 <l7_> ah thanks, i will stick with 105
Dec 03 04:24:49 <l7_> the default setting seems to the nokia keyboard strangely
Dec 03 04:24:49 <astro76> l7_, oh and yeah the ultra-slim also
Dec 03 04:25:20 <l7_> have you noticed different behavior with other profiles?
Dec 03 04:25:31 <l7_> all the keyboard profiles seem to act the same for me so far
Dec 03 04:26:01 <astro76> l7_, didn't try it, wouldn't expect it to work
Dec 03 04:26:29 <astro76> but the stowaways are standard bluetooth KB HID profile
Dec 03 04:27:03 <l7_> ah
Dec 03 04:27:19 <l7_> by the way, does your keyboard automatically reconnect after it wakes up?
Dec 03 04:27:28 <l7_> mine seems to sometimes
Dec 03 04:27:55 <l7_> but most of the time i've had to go into control panel and tell it to connect via the bluetooth menu
Dec 03 04:27:57 <astro76> hmm not sure
Dec 03 04:28:17 <astro76> haven't had it that long
Dec 03 04:28:45 <astro76> how long untill the keyboard sleeps?
Dec 03 04:28:54 <l7_> hrm not sure
Dec 03 04:28:58 <l7_> five to ten minutes i think
Dec 03 04:29:15 <astro76> I'll try ;)
Dec 03 04:29:24 <Rocketman> So, whats everyone up to this evening?
Dec 03 04:29:26 <l7_> heh cool
Dec 03 04:29:34 <l7_> nitpicking bugs?
Dec 03 04:35:50 <astro76> l7_, sure would be useful if the Function keys were labeled rather then the useless labels on it now
Dec 03 04:36:41 <astro76> but hey I'm thrilled, especially for $30
Dec 03 04:37:41 <l7_> hey, my keyboard does autoreconnect in 2007
Dec 03 04:37:45 <l7_> it just takes a few seconds
Dec 03 04:38:07 <l7_> anyhow i am also loving it for $30 :)
Dec 03 04:38:26 <astro76> and the n800 for $230, this has been good year :D
Dec 03 04:38:29 <l7_> i would like a fifth row for numbers, but it's not worth the extra weight, or money
Dec 03 04:38:32 <halley> 'rather THAN'
Dec 03 04:38:38 <l7_> heh
Dec 03 04:38:45 <l7_> i got mine for 200
Dec 03 04:39:03 <l7_> but i'm not sure the two month? wait was worth it
Dec 03 04:39:04 <astro76> yeah plus you can't use that one on your lap, it doesn't lock
Dec 03 04:39:39 <astro76> I keep checking hoping it will go down to $30 also
Dec 03 04:39:44 <l7_> you mean the sierra five row doesn't lock?
Dec 03 04:39:49 <astro76> yeah
Dec 03 04:39:56 <l7_> the ultra-slim seems so fragile though
Dec 03 04:40:09 <l7_> i'm afriad to use it on my lap
Dec 03 04:40:30 <astro76> neah it locks tight
Dec 03 04:40:44 <l7_> yeah this is a really good keyboard
Dec 03 04:40:51 <astro76> I'm impressed
Dec 03 04:40:53 <l7_> probably the best bluetooth one i have heard
Dec 03 04:41:00 <l7_> i wonder why amazon is selling it so cheap
Dec 03 04:41:07 <astro76> me too
Dec 03 04:41:24 <l7_> cnet's review of nokia's keyboard seemed to say it was inferior
Dec 03 04:41:50 <astro76> not to mention overpriced... and hard to find
Dec 03 04:41:58 <astro76> kind of pointless really
Dec 03 04:42:09 <l7_> but it looks neat
Dec 03 04:42:17 <l7_> it's almost as if nokia is copying apple
Dec 03 04:42:31 * l7_ knocks on wood
Dec 03 04:42:55 <halley> amazon url?
Dec 03 04:43:07 <astro76> I think it's sold out again
Dec 03 04:43:10 <l7_> for the stowaway?
Dec 03 04:43:13 <l7_> weird
Dec 03 04:43:23 <l7_> i saw it sell out after blackfriday
Dec 03 04:43:26 <halley> amazon url?
Dec 03 04:43:31 <l7_> then it was back last i checked
Dec 03 04:43:36 <ldspartan> it's this, right? http://tinyurl.com/2oyu9j
Dec 03 04:43:37 <astro76> then sold out again
Dec 03 04:43:44 <astro76> it's back
Dec 03 04:43:52 <astro76> http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1196657009&sr=8-1
Dec 03 04:44:06 <astro76> crazy
Dec 03 04:44:13 <astro76> get it while it's hot
Dec 03 04:44:24 <astro76> the n800 is out too
Dec 03 04:44:28 <astro76> err is out
Dec 03 04:44:31 <astro76> of stock
Dec 03 04:44:41 <astro76> on amazon :p
Dec 03 04:44:42 <l7_> wow so it is
Dec 03 04:44:49 <l7_> wow
Dec 03 04:45:01 <astro76> heh $400 from compUSA
Dec 03 04:45:12 <l7_> buy.com was cheaper for the n800 i remember
Dec 03 04:45:20 <l7_> that 200 lot sold out quick
Dec 03 04:46:06 <l7_> amazon was giving free two day shipping for the keyboard around blackfriday i think
Dec 03 04:46:22 <astro76> I ordered black friday and got free standard
Dec 03 04:47:07 <l7_> yyyyyyeah same here
Dec 03 04:47:10 <l7_> there's that bug
Dec 03 04:47:22 <l7_> six in a row
Dec 03 04:47:25 <l7_> it's a feature
Dec 03 04:47:58 <l7_> screw xmas
Dec 03 04:48:06 <l7_> i wish every day were black friday
Dec 03 04:50:18 <astro76> I jumped on it Friday because I didn't expect it to last
Dec 03 04:51:51 <astro76> and contrary to some reviews, the device stand is easily removable
Dec 03 04:52:02 <astro76> not sure what they were on
Dec 03 04:52:13 <l7_> hrm i'm afraid to remove it
Dec 03 04:52:18 <l7_> it seems like it will break
Dec 03 04:52:36 <astro76> no don't be, it's really sturdy :p
Dec 03 04:52:54 <astro76> start closing the stand and you'll see the gaps, twist it off
Dec 03 04:53:09 <GeneralAntilles> It's been on and off of mine several times
Dec 03 04:53:12 <GeneralAntilles> it wont break.
Dec 03 04:53:53 <l7_> heh ok
Dec 03 06:09:59 <blithe> Whoa, why is that stowaway so cheap?
Dec 03 06:14:21 <lopz> bye
Dec 03 06:14:48 <GeneralAntilles> It's a holiday deal.
Dec 03 06:14:49 <GeneralAntilles> Buy now.
Dec 03 06:15:16 <blithe> Done. :P
Dec 03 06:15:20 <blithe> Gotta move fast on that stuff.
Dec 03 06:15:20 <blithe> haha
Dec 03 06:18:50 <K`zan> Night folks!
Dec 03 06:21:48 <rip__> night ?
Dec 03 06:21:54 <rip__> its 3:50pm in Australia
Dec 03 06:21:56 <rip__> ;)
Dec 03 06:22:00 <rip__> wide awake time
Dec 03 06:22:12 <K`zan> :-) 2222 here atm, after a LONG day :).
Dec 03 06:22:18 <rip__> lol
Dec 03 06:22:47 <rip__> fair enough
Dec 03 06:22:49 <rip__> nite!
Dec 03 06:22:56 <K`zan> Night Mate!
Dec 03 06:23:39 <K`zan> Well, in 7 minutes when Futurerama is over:)
Dec 03 07:08:02 <tigert_> morn
Dec 03 07:09:54 <tigert> time is more cool without this am/pm crap :)
Dec 03 07:10:23 * tigert likes 13:37 o'clock ;)
Dec 03 07:21:55 <|R> tigert haha i thought nobody cared ;)
Dec 03 07:24:35 <rip__> does the OS2008 support 24hour time yet ?
Dec 03 07:24:59 <rip__> I think it only does 12hour which is a shame :(
Dec 03 07:25:40 <tigert> eh?
Dec 03 07:25:52 <tigert> it is bound to the locale i think
Dec 03 07:25:54 <|R> i have 24h here
Dec 03 07:26:09 <tigert> ie, regional settings
Dec 03 07:26:32 <|R> n800/2008b language:en settings:fr_ca (don't ask, quebec... ;)
Dec 03 07:27:07 <tigert> well
Dec 03 07:27:29 <tigert> my language is set to fenglish but fi regional settings
Dec 03 07:27:58 <|R> :)
Dec 03 07:28:08 <tigert> erm
Dec 03 07:28:15 <tigert> fenglish :D
Dec 03 07:28:17 <fysa> you set it in clock app?
Dec 03 07:28:23 <fysa> pretty sure
Dec 03 07:28:42 <tigert> control panel -> language and region
Dec 03 07:28:58 <tigert> clock has a menu shortcut to that too
Dec 03 07:32:59 <fysa> oooo qt4
Dec 03 07:33:43 <fysa> good work
Dec 03 08:50:37 <rothiel> Hi guys :)
Dec 03 08:57:18 <Rocketman> Anyone noticing much higher baseline memory useage with OS 2007
Dec 03 08:57:29 <Rocketman> ???
Dec 03 08:57:48 <Rocketman> OS 2008, I mean
Dec 03 08:59:50 <Rocketman> I ran top with nothing running and it seems like there are a lot of things running that don't need to be
Dec 03 09:02:42 <Rocketman> like metalayer-crawl
Dec 03 09:02:53 <Rocketman> and mediaplayer-eng
Dec 03 09:03:47 <Rocketman> and what is e-adressbook-f?
Dec 03 09:05:43 <tigert> composite manager?
Dec 03 09:05:49 <tigert> would take some memory
Dec 03 09:06:25 <tigert> metalayer-crawler is looking up and indexing your media files for media player
Dec 03 09:06:46 <tigert> it can be argued if it sucks or not, but it is needed so you will see your mp3s in the player hierarchy
Dec 03 09:08:12 <Rocketman> I disabled it on metalayer-crawler on OS 2007 because it puked on my maemo mapper directories
Dec 03 09:08:39 <tigert> yeah
Dec 03 09:08:42 <tigert> it kinda does
Dec 03 09:08:49 <tigert> when there are gazillion files
Dec 03 09:09:00 <Rocketman> now that MM is using a database scheme I could maybe leave it alone
Dec 03 09:09:19 <tigert> does mm store the tiles themselves too in the db?
Dec 03 09:09:28 <tigert> then it might help, yeah
Dec 03 09:09:29 <Rocketman> but it is using up 12 MB and is running all the time
Dec 03 09:09:35 <tigert> hm
Dec 03 09:09:37 <tigert> let me see on mine
Dec 03 09:09:56 <timelyx> yeah maemo mapper switched for newewr versions
Dec 03 09:10:07 <Rocketman> 2.x of MM does everything in a db now
Dec 03 09:10:09 <timelyx> it doesn't help people w/ old file systems
Dec 03 09:10:17 <Rocketman> much more space efficient
Dec 03 09:10:22 <timelyx> and the idea that you can blame or credit mm is stupid
Dec 03 09:10:30 <timelyx> the crawler is fundamentally flawed
Dec 03 09:10:38 <Rocketman> as you don't end up with file slack
Dec 03 09:10:50 <timelyx> that's kinda bogus btw
Dec 03 09:10:56 <timelyx> you'll end up w/ db padding instead
Dec 03 09:11:09 <timelyx> smaller sure, but non zero
Dec 03 09:11:17 <timelyx> what if i have ~1gb or ~2gb of map data from the original maemo mapper
Dec 03 09:11:20 <tigert> 1319  user  SW  143M  1  0.115.3  browser
Dec 03 09:11:20 <tigert> heh
Dec 03 09:11:30 <timelyx> and i update my os2007 to os2008
Dec 03 09:11:34 <Rocketman> yeah, why not simply do a scan when you launch the media player
Dec 03 09:11:36 <timelyx> i instantly lose maemo mapper
Dec 03 09:11:45 <timelyx> Rocketman:  "instant behaviors expected"
Dec 03 09:11:56 <timelyx> i.e. annoying ui designer requirements
Dec 03 09:11:57 <tigert> Rocketman: but are you running out of mem all the time?
Dec 03 09:12:03 <tigert> or why do you worry about free mem?
Dec 03 09:12:28 <Rocketman> I have like 90 Mb used on a clean system
Dec 03 09:12:43 <Rocketman> swapping slows things down
Dec 03 09:12:56 <Rocketman> and kills your flash memory
Dec 03 09:13:13 <Rocketman> which in the n810 is soldered on
Dec 03 09:15:23 <Rocketman> Some of the obvious inefficiencies in the OS bug me
Dec 03 09:16:02 <Rocketman> they either need to provide more ram or design more efficiently
Dec 03 09:16:33 <Rocketman> preferably both
Dec 03 09:17:00 <tigert> if people didnt scream about iphone eyecandy it would be a lot easier :)
Dec 03 09:17:22 <GeneralAntilles> Give it time, Rocketman, give it time. :)
Dec 03 09:17:29 <tigert> I guess the problem always is that you want to do a bit more what the hardware can nicely do
Dec 03 09:17:32 <Rocketman> i'll use a command prompt if it is more efficient...
Dec 03 09:17:40 <tigert> I still think os2008 works better than the 770 did for example
Dec 03 09:18:26 <Rocketman> The metalayer crawler issue were griped about on OS 2007 a lot too
Dec 03 09:18:47 <tigert> not least because it had some nasty bugs
Dec 03 09:20:36 <timelyx> still does :)
Dec 03 09:21:09 * timelyx sighs
Dec 03 09:21:15 <timelyx> it's time for me to nag quim and friends
Dec 03 09:22:03 <Jiten_> is there a program for n800 that can interact with a mythtv box? like watch television and such?
Dec 03 09:23:57 <Jiten_> ah, nevermind, found maemomyth
Dec 03 09:26:59 <Rocketman> brb, disabled metalayer crawler and need to reboot
Dec 03 09:43:11 <Rocketman> Bit more free memory after disabling metalayer-crawler
Dec 03 09:46:19 <timelyx> Rocketman: what's wrong w/ using htop to see memory usage?
Dec 03 09:46:30 <timelyx> shouldn't you have a fairly good idea what kind of win you'll get?
Dec 03 09:50:32 <Rocketman> I was using top
Dec 03 10:05:02 <rip__> any more responsive from disabling the metalayer-crawler ?
Dec 03 10:05:22 <rip__> I personally have a horrid disgust with the inbuilt media player
Dec 03 10:07:11 <rip__> its slow, and can't play any of my video files
Dec 03 10:07:24 <rip__> and I can't stand the layout ..
Dec 03 10:07:39 <rip__> I just can't wait till Canola2 comes out :)
Dec 03 10:09:46 <solmumaha> i think the builtin is great
Dec 03 10:09:55 <solmumaha> except for video
Dec 03 10:10:20 <Rocketman> A bit more free memory, but no dramatic speed increases or anything
Dec 03 10:10:25 <rip__> I don't use the n800 for Music, I can't comment on that part
Dec 03 10:10:49 <GeneralAntilles> Built-in works fine for me.
Dec 03 10:10:53 <Rocketman> Most of the Nokia provided apps are pretty half-assed
Dec 03 10:10:57 <GeneralAntilles> Video's great, even, if you set it up properly.
Dec 03 10:11:10 <Rocketman> just look at the rss reader and email
Dec 03 10:11:42 <rip__> wern't they going to release another version of the email ? but didn't have time
Dec 03 10:11:53 <Rocketman> Mplayer is the only way to go for video
Dec 03 10:12:06 <GeneralAntilles> modest will be around soon enough
Dec 03 10:12:12 <rip__> I use mplayer all the time for the N800 :)
Dec 03 10:12:15 <Rocketman> They have alluded to an email client called Modest for ages
Dec 03 10:12:22 <GeneralAntilles> BIG, HUGE, improvement over the current client.
Dec 03 10:12:29 <Rocketman> but the proof is in the pudding
Dec 03 10:12:40 <GeneralAntilles> A preview was just released.
Dec 03 10:12:48 <Rocketman> I use claws or webmail
Dec 03 10:12:52 <rip__> I do like how the programs are integrated though
Dec 03 10:12:57 <rip__> no need to login
Dec 03 10:12:59 <GeneralAntilles> It'll be here soon enough, Mr. Pessimist. :P
Dec 03 10:13:07 <rip__> it just blinks blue leds when I get an email or message
Dec 03 10:13:20 <rip__> which is pretty sweet
Dec 03 10:13:21 <Rocketman> I consider myself a realist
Dec 03 10:13:28 <rip__> since im pretty lazy and never check email ;)
Dec 03 10:13:51 <Rocketman> Nokia has had the same, much maligned email app since the 770
Dec 03 10:14:34 <Rocketman> If you are going to call yourself an Internet Tablet, you better do email really, really well
Dec 03 10:14:53 <rip__> well, I don't mind the email,
Dec 03 10:15:07 <kulve> doesn't the os2008 have a new email app?
Dec 03 10:15:08 <Rocketman> and the builtin is basically useless if you get more than 5 emails a day
Dec 03 10:15:09 <rip__> but I only get messages from family and none of them send me bloated html email
Dec 03 10:15:21 <Rocketman> aweful, aweful workflow
Dec 03 10:16:08 <rip__> lol
Dec 03 10:16:19 <rip__> well ive finally got wireless-tools on my n800 OS2008 :)
Dec 03 10:16:29 <Rocketman> cool
Dec 03 10:16:31 <rip__> buggered if I could package it into a deb file though
Dec 03 10:16:42 <rip__> had to scp it over to the n800 from the SDK
Dec 03 10:16:56 <Rocketman> you don't happen to have an updated build of kismet?
Dec 03 10:17:18 <GeneralAntilles> kulve, it's called Modest, and it's not here yet.
Dec 03 10:17:20 <GeneralAntilles> But soon enough.
Dec 03 10:17:20 <rip__> I didn't think kismet even worked on the chipset in the tablets ?
Dec 03 10:17:38 <Rocketman> I noticed they released a new one in October
Dec 03 10:17:52 <Rocketman> works on all of em rip
Dec 03 10:18:00 <rip__> ahh ok cool
Dec 03 10:18:04 <Rocketman> There are some issues though
Dec 03 10:18:10 <rip__> what chipset is in them ?
Dec 03 10:18:29 <rip__> I couldn't work out how to find out
Dec 03 10:18:33 <kulve> GeneralAntilles: oh? Is it going to be in the final os2008? Just not in the beta?
Dec 03 10:18:43 <Rocketman> mainly due to Nokia trying to yank back the interface with its auto connection scanning feature
Dec 03 10:18:50 <GeneralAntilles> I'm guessing February or maybe January.
Dec 03 10:18:56 <kulve> so no
Dec 03 10:19:02 <kulve> that's odd..
Dec 03 10:19:22 <Rocketman> and sending it into low power mode all the time, due to the short screen blanking issues
Dec 03 10:19:31 <rip__> ahh ok
Dec 03 10:20:35 <Rocketman> There is a thread on ITT that shows you how to add new intervals to the two display related power management options
Dec 03 10:21:09 <Rocketman> I set mine to add a couple hour interval for when I am running kismet
Dec 03 10:21:23 <Rocketman> works on n810 too
Dec 03 10:22:50 <Rocketman> I should check on kismet with GPSD now that the n810 has one built in
Dec 03 10:25:57 <rip__> im building kismet on the SDK atm, so far it hasn't bombed out
Dec 03 10:25:58 <rip__> :P
Dec 03 10:32:16 <Rocketman> You should post kismet once it is built to ITT
Dec 03 10:32:54 <Rocketman> If you can't package it yourself there are plenty of people who can help there
Dec 03 10:32:55 <rip__> well, it compiles on the SDK
Dec 03 10:33:05 <Rocketman> cool
Dec 03 10:33:18 <rip__> i would imagine someone who knows how to package would have an SDK to compile it
Dec 03 10:33:34 <rip__> I was using Mud to package things up
Dec 03 10:33:45 <rip__> which seems to work a treat on programs like OLSRD
Dec 03 10:33:51 <Rocketman> might check out the config file from prev versions to see proper settings
Dec 03 10:34:08 <Rocketman> anyways, running low on batt
Dec 03 10:34:12 <Rocketman> night
Dec 03 10:34:15 <rip__> lol
Dec 03 10:34:16 <rip__> np nite
Dec 03 10:35:07 <pupnik_> i think you are all just pretending to have N810s as part of a psy-ops campaign against europe
Dec 03 10:35:18 <rip__> lol
Dec 03 10:35:24 <rip__> I have an n800 :p
Dec 03 10:35:41 <rip__> the N800's in Australia are so hard to get, and the ones you can get are all imports
Dec 03 10:35:52 <rip__> and are at a disgusting price of almost 600 bucks
Dec 03 10:35:58 <pupnik_> yeah australia got the real short end :/
Dec 03 10:36:11 <rip__> I got my from the US for 350 AUD
Dec 03 10:36:22 <rip__> and 75 bucks of that was freight :p
Dec 03 10:38:12 <pupnik_> mm.. i b back
Dec 03 10:38:17 <pupnik_> cheers rip
Dec 03 10:44:10 <timelyx> rip__: note that if you get more than 5 messages an hour, the blue light in email will suck
Dec 03 10:44:21 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Dec 03 10:45:34 <rip__> lol
Dec 03 10:45:39 * timelyx considers checking the messages per minute mark here
Dec 03 10:45:42 <rip__> im lucky to get 1 email a day ;)
Dec 03 10:46:05 <timelyx> looks like i'm only getting 4 messages per minute atm
Dec 03 10:46:17 <timelyx> some minutes are heavier than others
Dec 03 10:46:33 <rip__> lol
Dec 03 10:46:38 <timelyx> can you imagine the blue light or the popup indicator?
Dec 03 10:46:49 <rip__> I guess
Dec 03 10:46:52 <rip__> if its always going off ;)
Dec 03 10:46:57 <timelyx> yes.
Dec 03 10:47:02 <rip__> I guess thats where claws mail comes in
Dec 03 10:47:07 <timelyx> how?
Dec 03 10:47:07 <timelyx> You are currently using 1196 MB (22%) of your 5425 MB.
Dec 03 10:47:09 <rip__> or the other ones that arn't intergrated
Dec 03 10:47:21 <timelyx> Inbox (91746)
Dec 03 10:47:23 <rip__> well it wouldn't always be blinking then :p
Dec 03 10:47:24 <timelyx> that's unread conversations
Dec 03 10:47:30 <rip__> lol
Dec 03 10:47:45 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh
Dec 03 10:48:02 <timelyx> this mailbox is relatively new, <<1yr old
Dec 03 10:48:02 <GeneralAntilles> I'd nuke my inbox and go live in the wilderness.
Dec 03 10:48:17 <timelyx> i filled 1 gmail account before it :)
Dec 03 10:52:45 <doc|home> mpcc is great, can switch off monitor on desktop, lie in bed and just play music through the desktop's speakers :)
Dec 03 10:56:43 <lardman> morning
Dec 03 11:03:10 <GeneralAntilles> Wonder if there's some sort of mpc -> iTunes daemon somewhere.
Dec 03 11:03:17 <GeneralAntilles> *d
Dec 03 11:04:29 <lardman> shackan: same as shacka1?
Dec 03 11:05:29 <shackan> mm, yes
Dec 03 11:06:15 <lardman> Could you make any more sense of that fn?
Dec 03 11:08:57 <rip__> doc|home mpcc ?
Dec 03 11:10:58 <GeneralAntilles> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mmpc
Dec 03 11:15:32 <lardman> hmm, 3rd of Dec and still no N810 in the Nokia shop....
Dec 03 11:16:43 <GeneralAntilles> Ooh, sweet I found an unopened jug of cranberry juice in the back of the fridge.
Dec 03 11:16:44 <GeneralAntilles> Yum.
Dec 03 11:17:29 <lardman> fermented?
Dec 03 11:23:08 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, expiration is in February. ;)
Dec 03 11:49:53 <Khertan_TheReal> hi !
Dec 03 12:13:07 <tigert> of 2001? :)
Dec 03 12:14:14 <lopz> hola
Dec 03 12:25:24 <lopz> bye
Dec 03 12:39:18 <Rocketman> hey etrunko
Dec 03 12:39:35 <Rocketman> Busy with Canola?
Dec 03 12:40:40 <etrunko> Rocketman: kind of...
Dec 03 12:40:42 <etrunko> hehe
Dec 03 12:41:10 <Rocketman> Hey, you did the original port of Xournal, right?
Dec 03 12:42:05 <Rocketman> Any chance of getting an updated version for OS 2008?
Dec 03 12:42:43 <pupnik> timelyx: a really useful extension/feature for the OS2008 browser would be to only activate embedded flash on user tap - would prevent all the flashvertisement crap from bogging down the browser.
Dec 03 12:42:50 <Rocketman> In between releasing Canola and all :)
Dec 03 12:43:27 <Rocketman> pupnik, I believe you can do that with greasemonkey
Dec 03 12:43:43 <Rocketman> which is available I believe
Dec 03 12:45:55 <RipTorn> Canola ? sweet :) I love canola ;)
Dec 03 12:46:03 * RipTorn becomes a kiss ass
Dec 03 12:46:58 <Rocketman> we are not worthy
Dec 03 12:47:20 <Rip2> is Canola going to be available on any other platform? or only Maemo ?
Dec 03 12:47:29 <Rip2> I would love it on my Incar PC
Dec 03 12:47:38 <Rip2> would give me an excuse to have a touch screen in my car
Dec 03 12:47:54 <Rocketman> I have a carputer too
Dec 03 12:47:57 <Rip2> which also runs Linux :p
Dec 03 12:48:24 <Rocketman> runs windows, unfortunately
Dec 03 12:48:25 <Rip2> I've been playing with the mythTV frontend which is horrid for a incar PC
Dec 03 12:48:34 <Rip2> and way too bloated
Dec 03 12:48:45 <Rip2> Canola2 would be perfect
Dec 03 12:49:14 <Rocketman> I mainly use mine for obdII, gps, sat radio, podcasts, etc
Dec 03 12:49:41 <Rocketman> pretty much all of which could be replaced by a tablet
Dec 03 12:49:59 <Rocketman> cept my car has 8" screen
Dec 03 12:50:02 <Rip2> mines currently under my desk at frustration at from no decent frontend
Dec 03 12:50:17 <Rocketman> can show much more detailed, readable maps
Dec 03 12:50:22 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, the frontend issue is what's keeping me from doing something with my old Mac mini.
Dec 03 12:51:04 <GeneralAntilles> Aren't those 8" screens 800x480? :P
Dec 03 12:51:36 <Rip2> mines a MiniITX that had a horrid TV out solution on a mini DVD Screen :(
Dec 03 12:51:48 <Rip2> I need a VGA solution :p
Dec 03 12:52:43 <GeneralAntilles> It's really something I'd like to do.
Dec 03 12:52:59 <GeneralAntilles> Plenty of room, and the dash lends itself pretty well to the purpose.
Dec 03 12:54:04 <astro76> Rocketman, can you get a vnc client for the carputer? could vnc to the tablet ;)
Dec 03 12:54:11 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Dec 03 12:54:15 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Dec 03 12:54:32 <GeneralAntilles> Could there be an any more round-about and wasteful solution than that?
Dec 03 12:54:44 <Khertan_TheReal> Does there is change on the network wifi driver on chinook ?
Dec 03 12:54:45 <astro76> I'm sure we could think of something more convoluted
Dec 03 12:54:58 <Khertan_TheReal> can we now use monitor mode ?
Dec 03 12:55:11 <GeneralAntilles> Hire a guy to transceiver it into morse code?
Dec 03 12:55:27 <Rocketman> kismet runs on my n810
Dec 03 12:55:58 <Rocketman> haven't done a lot of testing, but it picks up networks
Dec 03 12:55:58 <Khertan_TheReal> without disconnecting after 5 minutes ?
Dec 03 12:56:23 <Rocketman> Like I said, haven't done a lot of testing
Dec 03 12:56:33 <Rip2> did you manage to package it up ?
Dec 03 12:56:48 <Rocketman> you can change display timeout same as on 2007
Dec 03 12:56:50 <Khertan_TheReal> i ve made a test of dsniff 5 minute ago ... but i doen't capture anything ... don't capture my own packet
Dec 03 12:57:09 <Rocketman> so it doesn't trigger pm so quickly
Dec 03 12:57:30 <Khertan_TheReal> and i ve don't find wireless tool for chinook so i ve try monitoring mode ...
Dec 03 12:57:40 <GeneralAntilles> Other than haxing some poor schmuck's network, what's the point? :P
Dec 03 12:57:52 <Khertan_TheReal> to capture my own packet ...
Dec 03 12:57:56 <Rocketman> kismet is very very useful
Dec 03 12:58:03 <Khertan_TheReal> and to do audit... one part of my job ;)
Dec 03 12:58:20 <Khertan_TheReal> so no more laptop computer ;)
Dec 03 12:58:20 <GeneralAntilles> Right, employment purposes
Dec 03 12:58:31 <GeneralAntilles> but not many people can say that's part of their job description. ;)
Dec 03 12:59:08 <Rocketman> shows hidden networks, scans continuously and can show information on connected clients
Dec 03 12:59:14 <Khertan_TheReal> yes of course, but always usefull
Dec 03 12:59:30 <Rocketman> to say nothing of gps logging for creation of maps
Dec 03 12:59:42 <Rip2> I'm part of a wireless community, Kismet is pretty cool for checking on nodes and that
Dec 03 13:00:03 <Khertan_TheReal> but useless on n800 with bora
Dec 03 13:02:27 <pupnik> i hope the n800 production facility gets the little fit and finish niggles worked out
Dec 03 13:02:30 <pupnik> 810
Dec 03 13:02:31 <Rocketman> what wireless community, Rip?
Dec 03 13:02:53 <Rip2> ntfreenet in Australia,
Dec 03 13:02:54 <halley> pupnik, like what?
Dec 03 13:03:04 <Rip2> we mainly use OpenWRT running Freifunk
Dec 03 13:03:16 <Rip2> and I notice [mbm] is in here from OpenWRT :p
Dec 03 13:03:21 <Rip2> so im in good company ;)
Dec 03 13:03:31 <Rocketman> I go to the Seattle Wireless meetings pretty often
Dec 03 13:03:37 <pupnik> from ITT: three reports of something rattling around inside.  two reports of off-center keyboard.  one report of kickstand rubbing the case when closed
Dec 03 13:03:47 <Rip2> cool, I used to watch there videos
Dec 03 13:03:54 <pupnik> their videos
Dec 03 13:04:02 <Rocketman> freifunk network is damn cool
Dec 03 13:04:16 <Rip2> I'd love to have that many interested people in the NT ;)
Dec 03 13:04:19 <pupnik> what does frefunk do that's cool?
Dec 03 13:04:22 <Rocketman> I printed out one of their nodemaps as a poster once
Dec 03 13:04:44 <pupnik> sounds like a free wifi net
Dec 03 13:04:44 <Rip2> Freifunk mainly uses OLSRd and B.A.T.M.A.N for mesh routing
Dec 03 13:04:48 <pupnik> ah
Dec 03 13:05:00 <Rocketman> They have one of the biggest community run networks in the world
Dec 03 13:05:01 <Rip2> and its generally used with mesh networks that are free
Dec 03 13:05:15 <Rip2> yeah the Berlin Freifunk network is pretty massive
Dec 03 13:05:26 <Rip2> and have some talent behind it ;)
Dec 03 13:05:34 <Rip2> Sven the smarty pants
Dec 03 13:05:38 <Rip2> :p
Dec 03 13:05:45 <Rocketman> and it is all based around cheap little wireless routers running linux and open mesh routing protocols
Dec 03 13:06:09 <Rip2> works pretty damn well
Dec 03 13:06:15 <Rocketman> olsr is available for maemo you know
Dec 03 13:06:17 <pupnik> cool
Dec 03 13:06:24 <Rip2> for Chinook ?
Dec 03 13:06:28 <Rip2> I found it for Bora
Dec 03 13:06:30 <Rip2> but not Chinook
Dec 03 13:06:52 <Rocketman> A lot of Bora packages work fine
Dec 03 13:07:00 <Rip2> ahh ok
Dec 03 13:07:08 <Rocketman> the incompatabilities are much exagerated
Dec 03 13:07:23 <Rocketman> haven't tried a lot of things yet
Dec 03 13:07:34 <Rip2> I submitted some files to MUD for Olsrd 0.5.4 to be built with Mud
Dec 03 13:07:58 <GeneralAntilles> Well, it's not so much that, Rocketman, as that the Gtk breaks are very visible. ;)
Dec 03 13:08:00 <Rip2> which spits out all the plugins and daemon which seem to work sweet on my N800
Dec 03 13:08:14 <Rocketman> I've been using my n800 with Os 2008 as a test before installing a Bora app on my 810
Dec 03 13:09:03 <Rip2> is N810 really that much better?
Dec 03 13:09:26 <Rocketman> I'm liking it for the most part
Dec 03 13:09:32 <Rip2> even reading the ITT its hard to work out :p
Dec 03 13:09:34 <GeneralAntilles> No hardware upgrades, so who cares?
Dec 03 13:09:35 <bedboi> guys excuse me if i pose such a question, btw i'm not so well informed on the status of the discount codes. Anyone as fresh news regarding when we can use them?
Dec 03 13:09:43 <Rocketman> keyboard works pretty well, as you can see
Dec 03 13:09:50 <Veggen> I guess the difference is builtin gps, and keyboard.
Dec 03 13:09:58 <Rip2> the N800 in Australia is still almost 600 :( id hate to see how much N810 will cost .....
Dec 03 13:10:09 <Veggen> but one drawback is no exchangeable insternal SD.
Dec 03 13:10:13 <Rocketman> Don't forget the screen
Dec 03 13:10:28 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody else notice that UPnP is unbelievably slow in Media player compared to OS2007?
Dec 03 13:10:38 <Rocketman> The memory slot change was a BIG negative for me
Dec 03 13:10:50 <Rocketman> almost decided against getting it
Dec 03 13:11:09 <Rip2> ugh don't mention SD cards to me :p I'd hard enough finding anything over 4gig in stores around here
Dec 03 13:11:33 <Rip2> and when I've tried ordering 8gigs from Amazon it spits saying it only posts to USA
Dec 03 13:11:37 * Rip2 spits
Dec 03 13:11:52 <Veggen> Any reports whether or not the 8GB corruptionness is truly fixed, now?
Dec 03 13:12:04 <GeneralAntilles> It is, Veggen.
Dec 03 13:12:07 <Veggen> I've been holding off bying those until I'm sure.
Dec 03 13:12:34 <Veggen> can you buy any 8GB card (as long as it's SDHC-compliant)?
Dec 03 13:12:44 <Rocketman> Haven't heard many reports of dead cards since the recent OS 2007 revision
Dec 03 13:13:00 <Rocketman> pretty much
Dec 03 13:13:17 <Rip2> Rocketman : did you package up your Kismet for OS2008 ? or just copy over the files ?
Dec 03 13:13:26 <Rocketman> I think 16 GB cards are coming to market too
Dec 03 13:13:42 <Rip2> 16 GB cards would be nice :)
Dec 03 13:13:49 <Rocketman> mine isn't a 2008 specific build
Dec 03 13:14:00 <Rip2> ahh ok just the old one ?
Dec 03 13:14:06 <Rocketman> using same deb as was using for 2007
Dec 03 13:14:13 <Rip2> ahh sweet
Dec 03 13:14:13 <Rocketman> yeah
Dec 03 13:14:20 <Rip2> cheers
Dec 03 13:20:47 <pupnik> i've already got a couple hundred games, songs and a couple hours of vid on my 2GB rs-mmc
Dec 03 13:20:50 <pupnik> but more is always better
Dec 03 13:21:30 <pupnik> i wish UAE would do better screen scaling
Dec 03 13:22:15 <Rocketman> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=119&release_id=1219
Dec 03 13:22:25 <Rocketman> vnc client for 2008
Dec 03 13:22:32 <Rocketman> just tested
Dec 03 13:22:47 <Rocketman> works fine on my 810
Dec 03 13:23:06 <pupnik> woot
Dec 03 13:23:09 <Tak> pupnik: how's the dosbox xmaeme frontend coming?
Dec 03 13:23:11 <pupnik> vnc will be real nice with that k
Dec 03 13:23:21 <pupnik> ah i got the module built and not seeing the tab come up
Dec 03 13:23:30 <pupnik> lookin into that today
Dec 03 13:23:31 <Rocketman> just used vnc to update my web server
Dec 03 13:24:09 <pupnik> Tak - ah would you be interested in looking at a python frontend?
Dec 03 13:24:20 <pupnik> they do some good things with layout that i think you might want to borrow
Dec 03 13:26:15 <pupnik> http://www.panayotis.com/prog/scripts/pydosbox/index.html
Dec 03 13:26:58 <pupnik> ty for the reminder though Tak
Dec 03 13:27:14 <Tak> heh - the work's already done to have xmaeme in C - we may as well save the users some ram/cpu and keep it in C at this point
Dec 03 13:28:01 <Rocketman> laters, really ought to try and sleep
Dec 03 13:28:13 <Rocketman> night all
Dec 03 13:30:06 <Rip2> CoolCool
Dec 03 13:30:15 <Rip2> ugh
Dec 03 13:30:21 <Rip2> trying to type via VNC
Dec 03 13:30:22 <Rip2> :P
Dec 03 13:30:25 <Rip2> cool
Dec 03 13:30:28 <Rip2> works fine
Dec 03 13:30:38 <Rip2> id rather the small keyboard than a thumb board
Dec 03 13:30:49 <Rip2> but I guess its rigged up for N810 with a keyboard
Dec 03 13:41:17 <GeneralAntilles> Excellent, just got mpd set up.
Dec 03 13:54:29 <lardman|home> Right, this is probably a bit of a school boy question, but here goes :)
Dec 03 13:55:20 <qos> is here somebody who uses load-applet?
Dec 03 13:55:23 <lardman|home> http://maemo.pastebin.com/m5906a771
Dec 03 13:55:35 <lardman|home> any thoughts on what causes "Bad file descriptor"?
Dec 03 13:56:13 <lardman|home> http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/mp3/minimad-arm/ is arm-side code
Dec 03 13:56:21 <lardman|home> http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/mp3/madmp3dec/ is dsp-side code
Dec 03 13:57:14 * pupnik ponders 
Dec 03 13:57:25 <pupnik> lardman|home: it not finding the file at all?
Dec 03 13:57:59 <lcloki> does somebody use OS2008 and load-applet? i need somebody to test a package for me
Dec 03 13:58:55 <pupnik> Standard input has a file descriptor of 0, standard output uses 1, and the number 2 is used by standard error.
Dec 03 13:59:23 <lardman|home> yeah, the error naming is wrong, it used to read from stdin and write to stdout, but I wanted to see output so I altered it to read to/from giles
Dec 03 13:59:25 <lardman|home> files
Dec 03 14:00:45 <lardman|home> in retrospect, I could have left it as was and just looked at the stderr output
Dec 03 14:00:51 <pupnik> oh ok
Dec 03 14:00:59 <pupnik> thx for the source
Dec 03 14:03:04 <lardman|home> If I declare something (a struct) as static (global) in one source file, I should be able to access it in another if I use "extern struct blah" etc.?
Dec 03 14:03:18 <lardman|home> the two files are linked together
Dec 03 14:03:45 <derf> If you declare it as a global, yes.
Dec 03 14:03:49 <derf> If you declare it as static, no.
Dec 03 14:04:30 <rothiel> static =/= lardman
Dec 03 14:04:43 <pupnik> what happens if you pass the full path to the mp3 file to the program?
Dec 03 14:04:46 <pupnik> oh
Dec 03 14:04:52 <rothiel> static =/= global I meaned ^^
Dec 03 14:04:55 <lardman|home> well it's global as it's declared in the body of the file, and it's declared as static...?
Dec 03 14:05:10 <pupnik> also try printfing the filename you get from argv to make sure that's correct
Dec 03 14:05:13 <derf> lardman|home: That means it has file scope.
Dec 03 14:05:14 * pupnik stfus
Dec 03 14:05:23 <lardman|home> ah :)
Dec 03 14:05:24 <derf> So you can decidedly not reference it outside of the file.
Dec 03 14:05:28 <rothiel> a global variable can't be static
Dec 03 14:05:32 <derf> Remove the static keyword if you want to.
Dec 03 14:05:50 <lardman|home> well that explains lots of things then :) knew I should have read my C book harder
Dec 03 14:06:32 <derf> It is exactly the same as declaring a function static.
Dec 03 14:06:35 <lardman|home> I'm not sure I should, all of the dsp stuff seems to use static for file-global declarations. I presume this means it's placed somewhere specific in memory, not sure what would happen if I made it truely global
Dec 03 14:07:04 <derf> It's most likely just a data-hiding abstraction.
Dec 03 14:07:20 <GeneralAntilles> http://djcbflux.blogspot.com/2007/12/modest.html
Dec 03 14:07:25 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm looking tasty.
Dec 03 14:07:47 <lardman|home> derf: ok, thanks :)
Dec 03 14:08:32 <pupnik> nice find GeneralAntilles  - did you post it to ITT?
Dec 03 14:08:43 <GeneralAntilles> Nah, didn't bother.
Dec 03 14:10:09 <lardman|home> hmm anyone kagu related in here?
Dec 03 14:10:56 <lardman|home> I installed it the other day (along with ukmp and mplayer) and one of them added "repostory.maemo.org" (note the typo) via its install file
Dec 03 14:11:05 <GeneralAntilles> You posting it pupnik?
Dec 03 14:12:33 <lardman|home> Indeed, kagu was the culprit
Dec 03 14:17:10 * _matthias_ was just on the phone with nokia.at
Dec 03 14:17:16 <_matthias_> no news about n810 :(
Dec 03 14:17:23 <GeneralAntilles> You bitch about "Map" for us?
Dec 03 14:19:14 <lcloki> does somebody use OS2008 and load-applet? i need somebody to test a package for me
Dec 03 14:25:19 <Tak> IMO the extras-devel repo should be hosted on suppository.maemo.org
Dec 03 14:26:08 <Khertan_TheReal> lol
Dec 03 14:26:59 <pupnik> amazon.de says dec 28-jan 15 for N810
Dec 03 14:27:32 <pupnik> <image="weeping_bear.gif">
Dec 03 14:29:24 <lcloki> can someone test a package for me?
Dec 03 14:29:44 <lardman|home> urgh, typo, read() rather than fread()
Dec 03 14:32:00 <_matthias_> sadf
Dec 03 14:36:27 <mgedmin> lcloki: what package and on which OS?
Dec 03 14:36:34 <mgedmin> oh, 2008
Dec 03 14:36:37 <mgedmin> I haven't upgraded yet
Dec 03 14:36:50 * mgedmin wishes he had a spare N800 for testing upgrades
Dec 03 14:37:21 <lcloki> mgedmin, yeah. its a package which depends on load-applet for OS2008
Dec 03 14:38:21 <Rip2> im sure if you upload it and post on ITT plenty of people will have a test
Dec 03 14:40:21 <lcloki> Rip2, thats the problem. its not too complex and i don't want thousands of people scream around that there are bugs here and there ...
Dec 03 14:40:42 <Rip2> lol
Dec 03 14:40:45 <Rip2> fair enough
Dec 03 14:41:22 <Rip2> ahh well, its after midnight I better crash
Dec 03 14:41:40 <lcloki> Rip, do you know 'load-applet'?
Dec 03 14:44:15 <Rip2> I've never used it sorry
Dec 03 14:50:41 <lardman|home> ah-ha, it nearly works, I'm getting it to return an error now: MAD_ERROR_LOSTSYNC
Dec 03 14:51:10 <pupnik> "D
Dec 03 14:51:29 <pupnik> coool
Dec 03 14:51:46 <lardman|home> anyone have a link to some small mp3 files? I'm decoding to pcm and don't want to fill my ~/ too quickly
Dec 03 14:51:52 <lardman|home> or rather am trying to decode...
Dec 03 14:53:44 <pupnik> http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/41_30secMP3Enc31.mp3
Dec 03 14:53:59 <pupnik> http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/compilation_mp3_128.mp3
Dec 03 14:54:13 <pupnik> http://www.xiph.org/vorbis/listen/compilation2_mp3_128.mp3
Dec 03 14:54:24 <lardman|home> thanks
Dec 03 14:55:48 <pupnik> http://xiph.org/vorbis/listen.html  source (for those interested in comparing codecs, etc)
Dec 03 14:55:52 <_berto_> lardman|home: why are you decoding mp3 to pcm?
Dec 03 14:56:39 <lardman|home> _berto_: seems like an easy way to test compliance of the decoder
Dec 03 14:56:57 <_berto_> lardman|home: I mean, why do you need an mp3 decoder ? :)
Dec 03 14:57:32 <lardman|home> pupnik: interesting, the other ones I tried produced that lostsync error (the decoder is a limited one so I thought perhaps the format was not what it wanted), but the first one of yours causes a bus error
Dec 03 14:57:38 <lardman|home> _berto_: dsp hacking
Dec 03 14:57:54 <_berto_> ah
Dec 03 14:58:25 <lardman|home> right, that's all I've got time for, long lunch break, time to go back to work
Dec 03 14:58:29 <lardman|home> bbiab
Dec 03 15:15:16 <lardman> re
Dec 03 15:18:16 <lardman> I'm actually quite pleased with that mp3 task
Dec 03 15:18:22 <lardman> shows that threads are the way to go
Dec 03 15:18:44 <Tak> lardman: you got an mp3 task running?
Dec 03 15:19:02 <lardman> Tak: yes and no, it partly runs, doesn't output anything except for errors though
Dec 03 15:19:31 <lardman> but it does prove that you can run the decoder in a thread and use semaphores to bring the data in by syncing with the dsptask started by dsp_dld
Dec 03 15:19:45 <GeneralAntilles> Mmm . . . using modest now
Dec 03 15:19:50 <GeneralAntilles> it's really rather wonderful
Dec 03 15:20:17 <lardman> so I'm going to can my hacky tremor decoder and see if I can just drop the lowmem nobyte tremor code into a thread and use it in the same way
Dec 03 15:21:03 <GeneralAntilles> Anybody have a tip on how to replace the built-in client with Modest?
Dec 03 15:22:21 * pupnik gives lardman thumbs-up and a big grin
Dec 03 15:22:40 <dwix> hi all :)
Dec 03 15:23:09 <pupnik> hi
Dec 03 15:24:42 <Tak> GeneralAntilles: edit (or divert) the .desktop file maybe?
Dec 03 15:25:00 <GeneralAntilles> OK, here's a giant n00b question: Where are the .desktop files? :)
Dec 03 15:25:22 <dwix> i guess asking if anyone managed to conect to eduroam wifi networks (MSCHAPV2) is useless, right?
Dec 03 15:25:36 <inz> General, depends, for normal applications they're in /usr/share/applications/hildon
Dec 03 15:25:37 <Tak> /usr/share/applications/hildon iirc
Dec 03 15:25:47 <inz> General, then there are .desktop files for control panel and status bar applets
Dec 03 15:28:11 <GeneralAntilles> Thanks, inz and Tak.
Dec 03 15:30:01 <dragorn> dwix: I've never heard of eduroam but mschapv2 should work
Dec 03 15:30:23 <dragorn> dwix: at least with wpa-eap and the proper certificate added to the device it's worked for me in the past
Dec 03 15:31:14 <GeneralAntilles> .desktop implies that the dbus functionality for composing and such isn't quite there yet.
Dec 03 15:31:20 <GeneralAntilles> Guess I'll hold off.
Dec 03 15:37:37 <dwix> dragorn: our university have IEEE 802.1X EAP/PEAP network and i cant connect (root CA certificate installed, but still getting "incompatibile WLAN" error)
Dec 03 15:38:57 <pupnik> peap have some problems - search ITT
Dec 03 15:39:24 <dwix> i know, but there is no solution yet :
Dec 03 15:39:45 <pupnik> alloc.h reminds me of beer
Dec 03 15:40:14 <Tak> what doesn't?
Dec 03 15:40:40 <pupnik> :)
Dec 03 15:41:04 <dragorn> dwix: Ah, peap?  I think that might screw you up, yeah.  You could *try* os2008 betas, but I don't know that it would help
Dec 03 15:41:23 <dragorn> I noticed os2008 doesn't agree too well with wpa2-psk aes networks, but haven't tracked it down
Dec 03 15:41:46 <matt_c> I've had problems connecting via PEAP but I'm not sure if it's an OS thing or me not getting it right
Dec 03 15:41:49 <dragorn> anyone know if they moved the crypto functions out of the binary blob in the wireless driver?
Dec 03 15:42:32 <lardman> Does anyone understand what this means?: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=7AF192DA69C59243838FF62851F64F55016FD89A%40toebe101.NOE.Nokia.com&forum_name=dspgateway-devel
Dec 03 15:42:49 <Tak> it's a link to a web page :-P
Dec 03 15:42:56 <dwix> dragorn: already have os2008, no luck with peap :/ i guess i need to wait
Dec 03 15:43:13 <GeneralAntilles> How do I enter accent characters with a bluetooth keyboard?
Dec 03 15:44:35 <lardman> Tak: what about the contents then :)
Dec 03 15:45:19 <Tak> hmm...so you can't index across page boundaries?
Dec 03 15:46:30 <lardman> Tak: I cerainly couldn't, but what is that email talking about? the address wraps around?
Dec 03 15:47:00 <lardman> he doesn't rule out being able to access the second page though
Dec 03 15:47:24 <Tak> it would be awesome if I could find the whole message that was in reply to
Dec 03 15:48:53 <Tak> oh, hah, he quoted it in its entirety anyway
Dec 03 15:49:09 <dragorn> is it saying that it's not going to allocate contiguous pages so your buffer isn't valid beyond the first one?
Dec 03 15:49:45 <lardman> dunno, it appears that the mmu wraps the address you ask for around if it goes beyond the page
Dec 03 15:50:27 <lardman> hmm, if it does allocate more than one page, and they're not contiguous, I wonder how I can get the address of the second one
Dec 03 15:52:45 <Tak> hmm - he says you can't point across a boundary /by indexing/
Dec 03 15:53:15 <Tak> does that also preclude the buf + 0x12345 method?
Dec 03 15:54:31 <lardman> hmm, I seem to remember someone saying something like that to me....
Dec 03 15:54:46 <lardman> (I see here: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=A6486E544B2EC949BE853E0AD9CE5433D54A09%40blr-ec-msg04.wipro.com&forum_name=dspgateway-devel, that large multi page buffers are allowed)
Dec 03 15:55:11 <lardman> In fact I quote: "I have maped 7 MB between the ARM and the DSP on OMAP5912 and everything is OK.
Dec 03 15:55:11 <lardman> You have to access mapped memory like a poiner, not like an array."
Dec 03 15:55:52 <lardman> what does that actually mean?
Dec 03 15:56:07 * lardman puts his school boy hat on
Dec 03 15:56:51 <Tak> it means, instead of doing buf[i] = x, you do *(buf + i) = x
Dec 03 15:57:06 <lardman> I thought the two were the same
Dec 03 15:57:23 <Tak> apparently not when dealing with the dsp
Dec 03 15:57:28 <lardman> lol
Dec 03 15:58:43 <lardman> can anyone explain why that might be (for curiosity's sake)?
Dec 03 15:59:20 <lardman> hmm, the pointer size on the dsp is small iirc
Dec 03 15:59:59 <dragorn> that's really weird
Dec 03 16:00:15 <dragorn> i'd have expected the compiler to resolve those the same way too
Dec 03 16:00:25 <lardman> I'll give it a test this evening and see if it works
Dec 03 16:00:38 <Tak> the backend implementation of [] must take the page boundaries into account for some reason
Dec 03 16:01:10 <lardman> I wonder if it allows faster looping for the dsp
Dec 03 16:01:15 <Tak> I'm not sure why anyone would design it that way, but I tend to run a little further from the metal, so I dunno
Dec 03 16:01:24 <lardman> it can go over the end of an array and it loops back to the start, etc.
Dec 03 16:02:01 <dragorn> Tak: I'd have expected the compiler to turn *(a+b) and a[b] into the same assembler though.  Obviously not, it's just odd :P
Dec 03 16:02:33 <dragorn> is this a dsp targetted compiler, or the host?
Dec 03 16:02:35 <Tak> dragorn: as would I have
Dec 03 16:02:36 <lardman> dragorn: assuming the *(a+i) works, I'll disassemble the two statements and we can see what it's doing
Dec 03 16:02:46 <lardman> dragorn: dsp
Dec 03 16:02:48 <dragorn> lardman: I'd be curious what you find
Dec 03 16:02:52 <dragorn> lardman: ahh
Dec 03 16:03:07 <dragorn> so who knows what their wacky little custom compiler thinks the world looks like?
Dec 03 16:03:21 <lardman> yeah, that's a good point
Dec 03 16:05:00 <lardman> assuming it works (and it's a big assumption), does anyone fancy writing a colourspace converter and scaling routine?
Dec 03 16:05:28 <lardman> to drop into the dsp task that is - Serge was interested in using the dsp to take some of the processing load off the ARM when using mplayer
Dec 03 16:06:14 <Tak> I'd like to move fceu's sound emulation to a dsp task as well
Dec 03 16:06:16 <lardman> or if no-one fancies it, is there any example code about as this is not something I've dont before
Dec 03 16:06:38 <lardman> Tak: well I can sort the dsp structure and the arm comms bit out
Dec 03 16:06:43 <Tak> I'm surprised serge hasn't offered to write such a routine for you
Dec 03 16:06:53 <lardman> Tak: he's pretty busy atm
Dec 03 16:06:56 <Tak> ah
Dec 03 16:07:06 <lardman> Tak: I'm sure he would if i can show him the link works
Dec 03 16:07:29 <lardman> Tak: do you have code for the sound emulation? what is the structure like?
Dec 03 16:10:10 <Tak> yeah, I do
Dec 03 16:10:12 <Tak> one sec
Dec 03 16:14:27 <Tak> http://rafb.net/p/B3M7Kw78.html
Dec 03 16:17:05 <Tak> it's horrible
Dec 03 16:20:16 * lardman takes a look
Dec 03 16:21:28 <lardman> so what happens, there are loads of codes that need to be decoded into some instruction or other
Dec 03 16:21:32 <lardman> ?
Dec 03 16:22:09 <lcloki> does somebody use OS2008 and load-applet? i need somebody to test a package for me
Dec 03 16:22:23 <lardman> lcloki: what's the app?
Dec 03 16:23:24 <lcloki> lardman, u know the icon load-applet uses? in my opionion it sucks ;) i made a better one which fit in the new OS2008 look
Dec 03 16:23:39 <lardman> ah, I see
Dec 03 16:24:17 <lcloki> lardman, you know where to get it?
Dec 03 16:24:23 <Tak> yeah, basically the rom generates N frames per second, which the emulator converts to samplingrate/N frames of PCM audio
Dec 03 16:24:32 <lardman> lcloki: i don;t use it, sorry
Dec 03 16:25:04 <lardman> Tak: you should be able to pass a frame or number of frames to the dsp and have it do the pcm generation
Dec 03 16:25:06 <lcloki> lardman, okay. your welcome
Dec 03 16:25:21 <lardman> Tak: you'd need to pass it back to the arm though as we still can't do direct audio out from the dsp
Dec 03 16:25:49 <Tak> lardman: that's what I'm looking for @ frames -> dsp -> pcm
Dec 03 16:26:41 <Tak> we can add -> arm -> esd to that chain if we need to, although it's my understanding that esd internally looks like ( -> dsp -> speaker )
Dec 03 16:27:31 <lardman> Tak: yeah, but it still needs to come back to the arm to be sent back to the dsp again - annoying i know
Dec 03 16:28:03 <Tak> but most of the delay is in the frames -> pcm step currently, either because a) converting the frames to pcm audio is necessarily difficult (I doubt it),  or b) the fceu code to convert the audio is horribly inefficient (I suspect this)
Dec 03 16:28:29 <lardman> it also takes lots of operations to generate lots of data I imagine
Dec 03 16:28:53 <lardman> so what do the frames contain, what form are the instructions to the emulated sound chip?
Dec 03 16:29:12 <Tak> so even with the extra arm -> dsp -> arm roundtrip, a dedicated dsp task should gain us significant performance
Dec 03 16:29:31 <lardman> it will avoid doing all that processing, yes
Dec 03 16:29:45 <lardman> and you can share memory so it ought to be reasonably fast too
Dec 03 16:31:11 <Tak> afaict, it's midilike
Dec 03 16:31:26 <lardman> does the emulator do something like decode_sound_frame(&pcmbuff, &frame); ?
Dec 03 16:31:47 <lardman> i.e. a single point at which insert the dsp link?
Dec 03 16:39:25 <infobot> I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power
Dec 03 16:39:35 <lardman> :)
Dec 03 16:39:55 <zoran> is this touristic group?
Dec 03 16:40:03 <RichiH> everything OK?
Dec 03 16:41:03 <Tak> lardman: I think the closest thing to that is FlushEmulateSound() in the pasted content
Dec 03 16:41:14 <sp3000> emulate flush sound?
Dec 03 16:41:24 <lardman> Tak: I thought that flushed the pcm to produce sound output
Dec 03 16:42:02 <RichiH> birunko kenne lsobral Vudentz aCiDBaSe krau andrunko renatofilho_ luck^ aloisiojr Ryback_ etrunko: what host are you connecting from?
Dec 03 16:43:02 <RichiH> birunko kenne lsobral Vudentz aCiDBaSe krau andrunko renatofilho_ luck^ aloisiojr Ryback_ etrunko: if you are behind NAT together or using the same shell box, you should write an email to iline@freenode.net to tell us about it
Dec 03 16:43:18 <Ryback_> RichiH: we are behind NAT
Dec 03 16:43:38 <Ryback_> RichiH: it's our company's server
Dec 03 16:43:52 <RichiH> Ryback_: ah, k. can you have your admin contact iline@freenode.net please?
Dec 03 16:44:02 <Ryback_> RichiH: ok, no problem
Dec 03 16:44:29 <RichiH> company name, number of users and if you will continue to use that egress IP are the important bits
Dec 03 16:44:29 <Ryback_> RichiH: he said we already did that
Dec 03 16:44:38 <RichiH> Ryback_: when?
Dec 03 16:45:05 <Ryback_> RichiH: some time ago.. I don't know exactly when
Dec 03 16:45:12 <lardman> Tak: somewhere in the emulator, depending on how the frames are assembled (i.e. is there something producing them inside the emulator, or are they just read from a file) there may be a bit of code that does something like decode_frame()
Dec 03 16:45:22 <RichiH> Ryback_: in that case, it got lost
Dec 03 16:45:35 <Ryback_> RichiH: we've talked to lilo
Dec 03 16:45:51 <RichiH> Ryback_: then it must have been over a year
Dec 03 16:46:14 <lardman> Tak: if there's not, and the sound instructions are issued from all round the place, you'll need to intercept each one of them. I don't know what happens with timing in that case
Dec 03 16:46:33 <RichiH> Ryback_: lilo died september 2006
Dec 03 16:46:36 <Ryback_> RichiH: well.. I'm gonna ask our admin to send the email again
Dec 03 16:46:47 <Ryback_> RichiH: yeah, we know
Dec 03 16:46:50 <RichiH> Ryback_: thanks
Dec 03 16:47:16 <RichiH> Ryback_: if he sends it right now, we can do it immediately
Dec 03 16:48:10 <Ryback_> RichiH: ok, gonna talk to him
Dec 03 16:48:45 <RichiH> ta
Dec 03 16:56:14 <Tak> lardman: that function converts and flushes
Dec 03 17:08:23 <lardman> Tak: that's okay then
Dec 03 17:08:47 <hugolp> renatofilho_:  you arround?
Dec 03 17:09:01 <Tak> it relies on some global memory that would have to be shared
Dec 03 17:09:03 <Ryback_> RichiH: he sent the e-mail with INdT information
Dec 03 17:09:07 <renatofilho_> hugolp, yes
Dec 03 17:09:34 <hugolp> renatofilho_:  Does the Gmyth Mailing list get checked by the devs?
Dec 03 17:09:56 <lardman> Tak: yes, you could either create those variables in the shared memory so they can be accessed on both sides, or you could just update them when you call the dsp to decode
Dec 03 17:10:14 <renatofilho_> hugolp, I received your e-mail
Dec 03 17:10:17 <Tak> imo shared memory would be the way to go
Dec 03 17:10:17 <lardman> Tak: the dsp has a different endianness to the arm
Dec 03 17:10:34 <lardman> which might make sharing them difficult
Dec 03 17:11:02 <Tak> ugh, seriously?
Dec 03 17:11:06 <lardman> infact 16bit data is little endian, but 32bit data is two littleendian 16bit chunks in bigendian order
Dec 03 17:11:18 <lardman> so it depends on the variable sizes
Dec 03 17:11:20 <truent> hey i tried changing the icon field for one of my .desktop files.. put a new icon in /usr/share/icons/hicolor/scalable/hildon      but it still uses the original icon.. is there some kind of cache i gotta reset?
Dec 03 17:11:59 <renatofilho_> hugolp, join on #gmyth
Dec 03 17:12:07 <hugolp> renatofilho_:  cool
Dec 03 17:13:07 <Tak> that's bad - at least some of the data is 32bit
Dec 03 17:13:29 <lardman> in which case you do endianness shuffling, but that's annoying for shared variables
Dec 03 17:13:40 <Tak>  /highly/ annoying
Dec 03 17:14:09 <lardman> so the wave* are the buffers containing the data
Dec 03 17:14:18 <lardman> Wave* rather
Dec 03 17:14:53 <Tak> Wave* are the output buffers, currfreq/currdc are the input buffers, I believe
Dec 03 17:15:04 <truent> huh
Dec 03 17:15:14 <truent> no answer to this easy question?
Dec 03 17:15:22 <truent> no one's come across this yet?
Dec 03 17:15:23 <truent> eheh
Dec 03 17:16:04 <Tak> probably it's cached - does a restart show the correct icon?
Dec 03 17:16:30 <truent> i'll try again
Dec 03 17:17:03 <lardman> Tak: if there are functions that must be called to change these global variables then that's okay, you may be able to keep the variables on the dsp, otherwise you'll need to update the dsp each time you ask it to decode a frame
Dec 03 17:17:42 <truent> restart same icon
Dec 03 17:18:01 <lardman> just depends on whether other parts of the code look at Wave* for some reason
Dec 03 17:18:08 <lardman> and same for the others
Dec 03 17:19:05 <lardman> truent: is hicolor and scalable where one is supposed to put icons??
Dec 03 17:19:31 <Tak> currfreq/currdc are updated by the rom as part of the game loop
Dec 03 17:19:34 <lardman> truent: i.e. it's not that the machine is not in fact running in hicolor mode and therefore doesn't look at those icons
Dec 03 17:19:51 <Tak> the Wave stuff is just dumped to the audio output driver (in our case the esd driver)
Dec 03 17:20:52 <lardman> Tak: well it might not be too bad then
Dec 03 17:21:09 <truent> i tried one that i know works.. instead of my custom one and it works so apparently somethings wrong with my icon
Dec 03 17:21:11 <truent> heh
Dec 03 17:21:18 <lardman> Tak: except for needing to tweak the operations that are carried out, as the pointers appear to be for 32bit data
Dec 03 17:22:58 <lardman> Tak: home time now, I should be back later if you want to have a chat about how to implement it
Dec 03 17:23:09 * Tak nods
Dec 03 17:27:02 <renatofilho_> hugol1, use http://pastebin.com/
Dec 03 17:32:37 <truent> do icons need to be of a special type/size or otherwise?
Dec 03 17:32:46 <truent> why would it not recognize my icon
Dec 03 17:41:20 <lcloki> truent, did you restart your device?
Dec 03 17:43:19 <Tak> ah, there's the infinite reboot loop I've been missing so much
Dec 03 17:44:05 <lcloki> does somebody know what is necessary to make a post to planet.maemo.org?
Dec 03 17:45:35 <inz> lcloki, http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/aggregate_your_blog/
Dec 03 17:45:55 <lcloki> inz, so you must have blog?
Dec 03 17:46:15 <inz> lcloki, "yes"
Dec 03 17:46:24 <lcloki> inz, too bad
Dec 03 17:46:40 <inz> lcloki, any rss-feed should be good, but blog is the easiest solution
Dec 03 17:47:17 <lcloki> inz, thanks. i will thing about if its worth a try
Dec 03 17:48:25 <inz> lcloki, services like wordpress.com should work just fine, no need to set up any blogging software
Dec 03 17:51:33 <lcloki> inz, whats about the application wordpress for maemo? does it work for workpress.com and/or for a self-setup of wordpress on my private webhoster?
Dec 03 17:52:10 <inz> lcloki, "wordpress for maemo" is what it says, it is the wordpress blogging software, i.e. you run the blog on your tablet
Dec 03 17:52:31 <inz> lcloki, unless you keep your tablet always on and have a public internet address for it, it will not provide you with what you need
Dec 03 17:52:57 <inz> lcloki, but WordPy, for example, will work with wordpress.com
Dec 03 17:53:30 <lcloki> inz, i thought it is a client to post on these sites. like jaiku
Dec 03 17:55:42 <inz> lcloki, well, wordpy is one like that, but wordpress is the blog sw itself
Dec 03 18:53:52 <lopz> re
Dec 03 19:35:54 <fysa> http://freedominput.com/site/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=13&Itemid=30
Dec 03 19:41:39 <timeless> ok
Dec 03 19:41:45 <timeless> i've just installed modest
Dec 03 19:41:47 <timeless> it crashed :)
Dec 03 19:42:07 <fysa> have it working with gmail-imap here now as of today's(?) update
Dec 03 19:42:18 <fysa> gmail-pop3 seems to choke out somewhere
Dec 03 19:42:20 <timeless> your mailbox is probably tiny
Dec 03 19:42:24 <timeless> You are currently using 1198 MB (22%) of your 5435 MB.
Dec 03 19:42:31 <timeless> i'm using the smallest mailbox i have
Dec 03 19:42:37 <timeless> well, ok, maybe it's not the smallest
Dec 03 19:42:48 <timeless> but that one has <100,000 unread conversations
Dec 03 19:42:51 <timeless> that's tiny, right? :)
Dec 03 19:42:53 <fysa> You are currently using 1538 MB (28%) of your 5436 MB.
Dec 03 19:42:57 <fysa> :O
Dec 03 19:43:07 <timeless> Inbox (91905)
Dec 03 19:43:10 <fysa> haha
Dec 03 19:43:12 <fysa> well, that's it.
Dec 03 19:43:18 <timeless> aren't i nice?
Dec 03 19:43:19 <fysa> it seems this is the difference --
Dec 03 19:43:25 <keesj> timeless: and how big is your spam box?
Dec 03 19:43:29 <fysa> imap will only pull headers from your inbox, not archived
Dec 03 19:43:38 <timeless> keesj: i read my spam
Dec 03 19:43:38 <fysa> and pop3 will pull from everything?
Dec 03 19:43:43 <fysa> seemed to work that way for me.
Dec 03 19:44:00 <timeless> fysa: pop3 is going to die for *any* mailbox i have :)
Dec 03 19:44:04 <fysa> Spam (5538)
Dec 03 19:44:10 <timeless> Spam (13)
Dec 03 19:44:21 <keesj> wow I was already happy with +3500
Dec 03 19:44:21 <fysa> actually, it may be better if you can get it started.
Dec 03 19:44:22 <timeless> spam is important, you have to read it
Dec 03 19:44:50 <timeless> reading the rest of my inbox... that's a different story
Dec 03 19:44:56 <fysa> imap will constantly want all 91,000 headers
Dec 03 19:45:07 <fysa> pop3 will timestamp and only pull what it doesn't hajve
Dec 03 19:45:13 <fysa> have
Dec 03 19:45:26 <fysa> but it sounds like you're asking for trouble either way, really ;)
Dec 03 19:45:34 <fysa> you try claws?
Dec 03 19:45:58 <fysa> gmail-imap is nice because I can see all of my filters..
Dec 03 19:46:05 <keesj> in:spam maemo == 6
Dec 03 19:46:31 <fysa> only thing I'd change about modest so far is wanting a flash/LED alert on new mail
Dec 03 19:46:44 <timeless> that's a spec'd item i'm sure
Dec 03 19:46:48 <timeless> it should be configurable
Dec 03 19:46:51 <inz> fysa, grab the source and add it yerself ;)
Dec 03 19:46:56 <fysa> yeah, I'm assuming it will be
Dec 03 19:46:56 <keesj> so anybody want's to try gizmo video calling?
Dec 03 19:47:04 <timeless> i can ask tomorrow when i deliver my report to the manager
Dec 03 19:47:05 <fysa> don't want to step on anyone's toes ;)
Dec 03 19:47:17 <timeless> omigosh
Dec 03 19:47:21 <fysa> someone is getting paid to concentrate on making modest spectacular, it seems.
Dec 03 19:47:22 <timeless> (i) Settings saved
Dec 03 19:47:26 <timeless>     [   OK    ]
Dec 03 19:47:33 <timeless> fysa: yes, it's an official nokia project
Dec 03 19:47:38 <keesj> there is an option in the configuration panel to blink on email...
Dec 03 19:47:43 <timeless> hrm, i hope i didn't step on anyone's toes in writing it
Dec 03 19:47:52 <fysa> ;)
Dec 03 19:47:54 <timeless> s/writing it/saying that/
Dec 03 19:47:55 <infobot> timeless meant: hrm, i hope i didn't step on anyone's toes in saying that
Dec 03 19:48:20 <keesj> nobody want to see my pretty face?
Dec 03 19:48:55 <timeless> ?
Dec 03 19:49:26 <keesj> I want to try gizmo video calling and I have no friends
Dec 03 19:50:04 <keesj> and the gizmo linux client does not support video calling so I can not even call myself)
Dec 03 19:50:13 <fysa> heh
Dec 03 19:51:18 * keesj goes back to pic programming...
Dec 03 19:53:24 <timeless> wait
Dec 03 19:53:32 <timeless> it's seriously going to keep asking me to connect?
Dec 03 19:53:35 <timeless> gah, that's insane
Dec 03 19:53:44 <fysa> modest?
Dec 03 19:54:09 <kulve> does somebody want to test playing oggs with the built-in player in 2008?
Dec 03 19:54:25 <kulve> using my ogg-support. I'm trying to debug the problems in it..
Dec 03 19:54:55 <fysa> hey timeless, you toyed with different max-connections and max-connections-per-server settings?
Dec 03 19:55:29 <timeless> fysa: in mozmail? or microb?
Dec 03 19:55:32 <fysa> microb
Dec 03 19:55:34 <timeless> or modest?
Dec 03 19:55:43 <timeless> not seriously/personally
Dec 03 19:55:47 <timeless> i told people to play w/ them
Dec 03 19:55:52 <timeless> and i'm pretty sure they picked bad numbers :)
Dec 03 19:56:18 <sp3000> people usually do :)
Dec 03 19:56:24 <fysa> 24 max and 8 per-server max..  I bumped per-server up to 20 and testing now.
Dec 03 19:56:38 <timeless> yeah, talk to sp3000 about that :)
Dec 03 19:56:39 <fysa> seems especially bad when there is a site that is "Loading nnn/210.."
Dec 03 19:56:54 * timeless sighs
Dec 03 19:56:55 <timeless> anyone here use modest?
Dec 03 19:56:59 <timeless> would someone please explain this:
Dec 03 19:57:02 <timeless> E-mail>details
Dec 03 19:57:05 <timeless> "Folder details"
Dec 03 19:57:17 <timeless> why or how does "E-mail>details" relate to "Folder details"?
Dec 03 19:57:25 <timeless> gah
Dec 03 19:57:27 * timeless kicks them
Dec 03 19:57:31 <timeless> they're missing :'s
Dec 03 19:57:41 <timeless> and i just complained to some OSS guy that the :s belong
Dec 03 19:57:45 * timeless grumbles
Dec 03 20:01:43 <timeless> ok, help, waht does "Last updated" "Never" mean?
Dec 03 20:02:29 <sp3000> something hasn't ever been updated yet, in circumlocutious language?
Dec 03 20:03:03 <timeless> but if i can read some portion of my account
Dec 03 20:03:07 <timeless> what does it mean?
Dec 03 20:03:10 <timeless> i mean, i can see some messages
Dec 03 20:03:15 <timeless> or ghosts of messages :)
Dec 03 20:03:46 <fysa> you can try to delete the cache and try again.
Dec 03 20:03:51 <fysa> I believe it's in ~/.modest or some such
Dec 03 20:03:52 <sp3000> is it done updating whatever it was updating?
Dec 03 20:04:03 <timeless> oh sure, if i want it to crash i'll just delete it :)
Dec 03 20:04:11 <fysa> well, quit the app first of course.
Dec 03 20:04:15 <timeless> sp3000: nah, it crashed in its poor attempt :)
Dec 03 20:04:30 <fysa> but deleting the cache allowed me to remove all messages/pull them down again
Dec 03 20:04:30 <timeless> gah
Dec 03 20:04:36 <timeless> these people don't understand "consistency"
Dec 03 20:04:38 <timeless> they have:
Dec 03 20:04:41 <sp3000> I guess that could explain that
Dec 03 20:04:48 <timeless> Retrieve*: [Headers only |v]
Dec 03 20:04:49 <timeless> and
Dec 03 20:04:54 <fysa> in my case, I believe there is a malformed header somewhere it doesn't like
Dec 03 20:05:05 <timeless> Secure connection: [SSL (IMAP4S) |v]
Dec 03 20:05:12 <timeless> can someone please explain what the star means? :)
Dec 03 20:05:30 <inz> Required field?
Dec 03 20:05:54 <sp3000> it's hard to be not required with a dropdown :)
Dec 03 20:06:27 <timeless> inz: why doesn't Secure connection have a *?
Dec 03 20:06:34 <timeless> sp3000 gets the cookie
Dec 03 20:06:46 <timeless> sp3000: come ot my office, you can probably get a toblerone instead of just a chocolate thingy
Dec 03 20:06:52 <sp3000> cookie? I wish
Dec 03 20:06:58 <sp3000> oh! :D
Dec 03 20:07:16 <timeless> yes, i really do give rewards, just deserts :)
Dec 03 20:07:37 <inz> timeless, because the HildonCaption doesn't have state HILDON_CAPTION_MANDATORY
Dec 03 20:07:44 <sp3000> hmm, I'd have to find it
Dec 03 20:08:20 <|R> btw, dell.ca has n800 for 199$ for interested people...(canada)
Dec 03 20:08:29 <timeless> didn't i leave you guys w/ a map?
Dec 03 20:09:15 <timeless> i'm in f at the end, there's a picture of the 770 from Silver Surfer, an org chart, and various printouts of nokia(usa).com goofs on the window :)
Dec 03 20:09:16 <sp3000> don't think I've seen it :)
Dec 03 20:09:28 <sp3000> ah, k
Dec 03 20:09:37 <sp3000> "dinner", here I come
Dec 03 20:09:40 <timeless> chocolate's on the first desk as you enter
Dec 03 20:09:42 <timeless> heh
Dec 03 20:10:00 <sp3000> oh, you out already?
Dec 03 20:10:04 <timeless> no, i'm in
Dec 03 20:10:13 <timeless> we can get dinner together :)
Dec 03 20:11:14 <timeless> gah, the ime people are really silly
Dec 03 20:11:21 <timeless> why can't they at least learn from s60?
Dec 03 20:11:29 <timeless> i mean really, is it that hard to copy good ideas from them?
Dec 03 20:12:02 <timeless> instead of using an app modal dialog for text entry that provides a recently used "favorites" line + 4 or so rows of chars
Dec 03 20:12:09 <timeless> they provide 2 "run away" toolbar rows
Dec 03 20:12:16 <timeless> that cause the screen size to jump randomly
Dec 03 20:13:14 <fysa> does the N810 have a mic in the same spot as the N800?
Dec 03 20:20:45 <fysa> nglayout.initialpaint.delay = -3?
Dec 03 20:20:58 <fysa> do negative values signify something different here than http://kb.mozillazine.org/Nglayout.initialpaint.delay ?
Dec 03 20:23:42 <timeless> fwiw, that "small" mailbox of mine is from feb 28, 2007. i.e., that's how long it took for me to get it 22% full :)
Dec 03 20:24:16 <timeless> and modest was able to retrieve mail from then until mar 15
Dec 03 20:24:26 <timeless> so it got about 2 1/2 weeks of mail before it died :)
Dec 03 20:24:30 <fysa> dude..  when you pasted "Inbox (91905)" I could only shudder.
Dec 03 20:24:57 <fysa> you know why paint delay is -3?
Dec 03 20:25:06 <timeless> not offhand
Dec 03 20:25:23 <timeless> fysa: irc.mozilla.org message me when you get there
Dec 03 20:28:49 <fysa> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180241
Dec 03 20:29:57 <fysa> there.
Dec 03 20:30:24 <derf> Whoa, I know the fourth commenter on that bug.
Dec 03 20:32:18 <timeless> you know *that* specific person? his name i think isn't unique
Dec 03 20:32:26 <derf> timeless: His e-mail address is.
Dec 03 20:32:41 <timeless> this is aol, aren't those recycled? :)
Dec 03 20:32:46 <timeless> but yeah :)
Dec 03 20:32:47 <derf> acm is not aol.
Dec 03 20:33:06 <timeless> that's #c3
Dec 03 20:33:15 * timeless complains about derf's comment numbering style
Dec 03 20:33:30 <timeless> you said 4, so i loaded: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=180241#c4
Dec 03 20:33:43 <derf> I counted names. I didn't bother lookinat the right.
Dec 03 20:33:55 <timeless> helpful lesson :)
Dec 03 20:34:19 <timeless> c0 is the original description and not considered exactly like a comment for counting, it's c0 :)
Dec 03 20:35:59 <derf> Anyway, my point was that's the last place I expected to see his name.
Dec 03 20:46:45 <fysa> I'm not 100%, but -3 seems like a bug and could be defaulting to 0.  this would cause real-time rendering updates which probably aren't good on our little ARMs.
Dec 03 20:47:01 <fysa> 600 seems to load a bit quicker.
Dec 03 20:47:10 <fysa> quite a bit, but I don't know how to benchmark this yet.
Dec 03 20:48:03 <sp3000> yeah, zero would sound a bit silly
Dec 03 20:48:50 <fysa> there is still the 2.5 second delay before a page even begins to really 'load' -- I believe.  it feels like a delay before we even really try to hit a server..
Dec 03 20:48:55 <fysa> possibly proxy failover
Dec 03 20:49:00 <fysa> testing this now..
Dec 03 20:50:01 <fysa> ah, nm
Dec 03 20:51:07 <fysa> I think if I can monitor with tcpdump, I can time between trying to hit a URL and the first occurence of 'HTTP'
Dec 03 20:51:56 <fysa> maybe just DNS..
Dec 03 20:55:07 <fysa> someone else should try this.
Dec 03 20:55:54 <fysa> set nglayout.initialpaint.delay to around 250-1000
Dec 03 20:56:07 <maddler> evening all
Dec 03 20:56:11 <fysa> 3000 was definitely too high -- nothing would render until the entire page was complete in most cases.
Dec 03 20:56:19 <fysa> (i.e., less responsive)
Dec 03 20:57:15 <fysa> 600 seems pretty good.  no longer re-rendering one word at a time.
Dec 03 20:57:31 <fysa> whatever "-3" is, it's considerably less than 600.
Dec 03 21:07:18 <timeless> sp3000: *help*
Dec 03 21:07:23 <sp3000> sup
Dec 03 21:07:24 <timeless> i've been attacked by evil dialogs
Dec 03 21:07:31 <timeless> focus is lost
Dec 03 21:07:41 <sp3000> I bet you provoked them somehow :)
Dec 03 21:07:50 <timeless> you mean i used them?
Dec 03 21:07:55 <timeless> yeah, that was my first mistake
Dec 03 21:09:11 * timeless frowns
Dec 03 21:09:18 <timeless> should i install rsync locally?
Dec 03 21:11:05 <timeless> :(
Dec 03 21:11:19 <timeless> my stage zone doesn't have any compilers?
Dec 03 21:25:18 <sp3000> hmm
Dec 03 21:26:28 <sp3000> I think it's dinner time
Dec 03 21:26:41 <lopz> bye
Dec 03 21:26:43 <monkey-murderers> mmmm banannas
Dec 03 21:29:29 <timeless> sp3000:  home or nearby?
Dec 03 21:29:37 <pupnik> last i saw, the vote was to change monkey to not reply unprompted, not to remove monkey entirely
Dec 03 21:29:40 <bstock> if i'm running OS2007HE on the 770, do i use n770 or n800 repo's?
Dec 03 21:29:49 <pupnik> infobot: test
Dec 03 21:29:50 <infobot> Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied!
Dec 03 21:30:35 <pupnik> infobot: pupnik is testing infobot
Dec 03 21:30:36 <infobot> okay, pupnik
Dec 03 21:30:40 <pupnik> infobot: pupnik?
Dec 03 21:30:41 <infobot> hmm... pupnik is testing infobot
Dec 03 21:30:53 <monkey-murderers> murderers
Dec 03 21:30:54 <monkey-murderers> murderers
Dec 03 21:31:23 <timeless> infobot literal murderers
Dec 03 21:31:31 <timeless> infobot status
Dec 03 21:31:31 <infobot> Since Mon Nov 26 21:18:11 2007, there have been 51 modifications, 842 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 472 commands.  I have been awake for 7d 13m 20s this session, and currently reference 114079 factoids.  I'm using about 18860 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 13967.47/750.74 child 0/0
Dec 03 21:32:10 <sp3000> timeless: nearby wfm if it's ~now :)
Dec 03 21:32:18 <timeless> now is good
Dec 03 21:32:37 * sp3000 ->
Dec 03 21:32:53 <GNUton> Hi!
Dec 03 21:34:06 <penguinbait> High!
Dec 03 21:36:14 <GNUton> hello penguinbait! :)
Dec 03 21:45:26 <garethr> Hi all - does anyone know if their is an erlang package available for the N800?
Dec 03 21:46:24 <penguinbait> gnuton, you got kde4 ready to go?
Dec 03 21:46:50 <pupnik> infobot: babelfish en fi "Hello Nokia, can you give us an update on expected delivery of N810 to european countries?"
Dec 03 21:47:13 <pupnik> humph no fi
Dec 03 21:48:17 <bstock> anyone know the name of the optional software you can get with then 810 for navigation
Dec 03 21:50:02 <el-pollo-loco> maemo-mapper
Dec 03 21:50:08 <keesj> wayfinder?
Dec 03 21:50:20 <bstock> someone mentoned to me some software to buy for like $100
Dec 03 21:50:33 <bstock> maemo mapper is free, it might be wayfinder
Dec 03 21:58:31 <tigert> bstock: the software comes with os2008
Dec 03 21:58:43 <tigert> but the voice-guided navigation costs
Dec 03 22:09:05 <hugolp> Hi anyone having problems with youtube?
Dec 03 22:09:28 <hugolp> in os2008
Dec 03 22:19:02 <bstock> tigert: thx for the info, do you know if the voice-guided is available for purchase yet? on wayfinder's website, it says something about the software being available in december
Dec 03 22:19:51 <pupnik> Voice guided RSS browser with speech might be fun
Dec 03 22:20:06 <pupnik> drive around, listen to headlines.  well.. maybe
Dec 03 22:20:07 <tigert> maybe they know their schedule, I dunno
Dec 03 22:20:33 <tigert> pupnik: there are blog to podcast services
Dec 03 22:20:55 <tigert> someone in planet gnome had the blog with this "listen to this post" -links that used one
Dec 03 22:20:59 <pupnik> i'm curious about tablets for the blind
Dec 03 22:21:04 <tigert> it was surprisingly good voice synthesis
Dec 03 22:21:15 <pupnik> hmm
Dec 03 22:21:29 <pupnik> AT&T has an excellent product - Natural Voices or summat
Dec 03 22:25:25 <doc|home> with added monitoring
Dec 03 22:30:13 <non-screamingN80> timeless: ping
Dec 03 22:39:08 <non-screamingN80> _Monkey: where's timeless?
Dec 03 22:42:23 <non-screamingN80> timeless?
Dec 03 22:43:05 <non-screamingN80> Useless bot, never there when you want him.
Dec 03 22:43:51 <lardman> not sure timeless is a bot ;D
Dec 03 22:43:53 <bstock> hmm anyone know why xournal doesn't want to work on 2007HE? when i launch from cli it says 'GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_events: assertion `!GTK_WIDGET_REALIZED (widget)' failed'
Dec 03 22:44:11 <bstock> it brings up the window, but as soon as i try to write something it crashes
Dec 03 22:44:57 <non-screamingN80> No, he isn't. _Monkey should know him though...if he  was aalive.
Dec 03 22:49:25 <lardman> annoyingly this: vd->out_end-=vd->sample_count-vd->granulepos;
Dec 03 22:49:38 <lardman> turns into this: vd->out_end = set64_2int(add64_int(add64_64( vd->granulepos, neg64(vd->sample_count)), vd->out_end));
Dec 03 22:50:04 * lardman hopes there aren't too many more 64bit variables to deal with...
Dec 03 22:51:28 <xan> bstock, that code is broken, so it's strange that it worked before
Dec 03 22:53:34 <pupnik> there's 64 bit vars in your vorbis player lardman ?
Dec 03 22:55:42 <lardman> pupnik: there have to be unfortunately
Dec 03 22:55:59 <lardman> pupnik: but long long on the dsp is only 40bit iirc
Dec 03 22:56:11 <lardman> pupnik: I do wonder if that is enough though...?
Dec 03 22:56:21 <pupnik> :/
Dec 03 22:56:38 <lardman> anyway, I've sorted that bit out (hopefully)
Dec 03 22:58:21 <lardman> oh no, more of them in vorbisfile.c :(
Dec 03 23:08:33 <lardman> pupnik: you tempted to try your sound generation on the dsp? I think Tak was talking about a different emu (from the code anyway)
Dec 03 23:09:07 <pupnik> working on website tonight but yes
Dec 03 23:09:15 <pupnik> just not very soon :/
Dec 03 23:09:25 <lardman> cool, at least the thought it there :)
Dec 03 23:09:31 <lardman> s/it/is
Dec 03 23:13:53 <non-screamingN80> Gargh! Been trying to  (re)install Skype one IT2008 most of the day. This time it got to halfway along the download bar but now its stuck there grinning at me.
Dec 04 00:05:10 <sp3000> oops
Dec 04 00:05:25 * sp3000 ran out of buses :)
Dec 04 00:11:28 <lardman> night all
Dec 04 00:12:52 <K`zan> Is this a good BT Keyboard for the n800?:  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002OKCXE/ref=ord_cart_shr?%5Fencoding=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&v=glance
Dec 04 00:21:55 <pupnik> the stowaway works well for me - build quality isn't great, but ok
Dec 04 00:23:21 <sp3000> oh, where's a bt vera that'll install on 2008?
Dec 04 00:24:57 <sp3000> my irc hurts with courier ;)
Dec 04 00:25:18 <pupnik> newer xterm should have better font than courier
Dec 04 00:25:32 <pupnik> don't tell me 2008 has that crappy courier for xterm...
Dec 04 00:26:16 <_|Nix|_> I think so ... not sure though ...
Dec 04 00:30:21 <dick-richardson> How do i make nano the default text editor?
Dec 04 00:31:31 <K`zan> pupnik: Thanks, for $30, I think I can live with it :-)!
Dec 04 00:33:40 <_|Nix|_> dick-richardson: export EDITOR='nano -w' in your .bashrc or .bash_profile
Dec 04 00:34:43 <_|Nix|_> Gods below! Could maemo.org be any slower?
Dec 04 00:34:59 <_|Nix|_> It's like it's running on a 486 or something ...
Dec 04 00:41:34 <halley> _|Nix|_, bash isn't your default shell on the tablet :P
Dec 04 00:41:41 <halley> .profile is the file you want
Dec 04 00:43:49 <K`zan> _|Nix|_: Heh, don't think so, should win the award for slowest site on the net :-).  Best here late at night and early in the morning.
Dec 04 00:45:18 <_|Nix|_> K`zan: Late at night, you say ...
Dec 04 00:45:54 <_|Nix|_> I'm not sure whether 02:45 counts as late at night or early in the morning ...
Dec 04 00:46:06 <K`zan> LOL, patience is a virtue :-)
Dec 04 00:46:24 <_|Nix|_> So, I'm a flawed human being.
Dec 04 00:48:55 <dick-richardson> the .profile doesn't exist in ~
Dec 04 00:49:04 <dick-richardson> am I in the wrong directory, or should I create it?
Dec 04 00:49:33 <K`zan> ls -a ?
Dec 04 00:49:40 <dick-richardson> yep
Dec 04 00:49:44 <dick-richardson> ls -lha
Dec 04 00:49:50 <K`zan> Lemme look at mine...
Dec 04 00:50:29 <K`zan> okia-N800-44-4:~# ls -a
Dec 04 00:50:29 <K`zan> .                .ash_history     .gnome2          .profile
Dec 04 00:50:29 <K`zan> ..               .bashrc          .gstreamer-0.10
Dec 04 00:50:39 <K`zan> Nokia-N800-44-4:~# pwd
Dec 04 00:50:59 <K`zan>  /root
Dec 04 00:51:09 <dick-richardson> i'm in /home/user
Dec 04 00:51:52 <dick-richardson> I still don't have a .profile in /root
Dec 04 00:51:59 <K`zan> I have none there either, IIRC, I copied the root one over and hacked it in 2007.
Dec 04 00:52:18 <dick-richardson> ok...works the same in os2008?
Dec 04 00:52:35 <K`zan> I have one in /root, but none in user.
Dec 04 00:52:50 <K`zan> If you want a paste of it, /join #vmmst
Dec 04 00:54:03 <K`zan> I am running 2008 for the n800 (assuming that makes a difference).
Dec 04 00:54:43 <dick-richardson> I'm working on it...hang on
Dec 04 00:54:47 <K`zan> np
Dec 04 00:55:15 <K`zan> df
Dec 04 00:56:33 <K`zan> why is an nfs mount not working :-/.  Might have to use scp...
Dec 04 00:59:01 <K`zan> svc: unknown version (3)
Dec 04 01:21:08 <l7> hrm
Dec 04 01:21:29 <l7> can anyone tell me how to use maps downloaded from winmapper in maemo mapper 2.2?
Dec 04 01:22:03 <l7> it looks like it you have to point to a map .db file, but all i have are little map files
Dec 04 01:23:04 <l7> the forums are pretty confusing, as they refer to earlier versions :\
Dec 04 01:25:42 <mmiller> Anyone else notice that the maemo.org site is really slow?
Dec 04 01:27:39 <l7> it's a little slow right now
Dec 04 01:27:54 <l7> i downloaded os2008 earlier today a 800kb/s
Dec 04 01:28:44 <mmiller> Did they release OS2008 for the N800?
Dec 04 01:28:50 <l7> yep
Dec 04 01:28:53 <l7> last week i think
Dec 04 01:29:03 <l7> supposed to be a good deal faster for browsing
Dec 04 01:29:03 <fysa> beta
Dec 04 01:29:17 <l7> how much faster is it than the last release of 2007?
Dec 04 01:29:34 <l7> i just noticed that my unit arrived with the older 7-26 2007 OS
Dec 04 01:29:55 <mmiller> So it's OS2008 is in release or still in Beta?
Dec 04 01:30:06 <l7> beta
Dec 04 01:30:39 <l7> so how do i get external map files into maemo mapper 2?
Dec 04 01:30:48 <sp3000> I'm starting to think taking a stroll through half of espoo is not the most entertaining way to spend a rainy december 3am
Dec 04 01:32:48 <pupnik> i suggest to take a camera and open your eyes
Dec 04 01:33:45 <pupnik> (not meant to be condescending - i'm editing a bunch of pics right now)
Dec 04 01:34:01 <l7> what?
Dec 04 01:34:22 <pupnik> referring to sp3000's walk
Dec 04 01:35:10 <sp3000> you haven't been to espoo ;D
Dec 04 01:36:40 <sp3000> the camera on the phone isn't good enough for distant rabbits in the dark, either
Dec 04 01:39:33 <pupnik> people say high megapixels aren't necessary and they're kind of right - but i just got a couple of pictures of insects processed in macro mode where you can see their hairs
Dec 04 01:45:16 <halley> I think the real statement is 'megapixels will hurt image quality if the photosensor is too small to get enough photons'.  But that's just too nuanced for the usual "more is better" and the usual counter-cry, "more is not better."
Dec 04 01:45:25 <sp3000> ah, home.
Dec 04 01:45:52 <pupnik> correct halley - sensitivity / noise floor problems
Dec 04 01:46:39 <halley> I prefer to stitch images in the 50~70 megapixels range, so it doesn't really matter what the camera itself does.  Give me GOOD pixels.
Dec 04 01:47:00 <pupnik> wow
Dec 04 01:49:33 <halley> http://halley.cc/pix/elsewhere/beaver.stadium.jpg - in the actual image, I can easily make out the two mascots at the far end of the field.
Dec 04 01:50:23 <db48x> you can't clearly make them out unless you can identify them
Dec 04 01:50:38 <halley> Well, this is a web shrunk version.
Dec 04 01:50:42 <db48x> seeing 6 orange pixels on the green field doesn't mean much
Dec 04 01:50:47 <db48x> ah
Dec 04 01:51:09 <halley> In the original, you can read all jersey numbers.
Dec 04 01:51:11 <db48x> where's the full size image?
Dec 04 01:51:36 <halley> Not on the web at the moment.  I used to use a zoomify thing to let you scroll around.
Dec 04 02:25:11 <pupnik> good stuff halley
Dec 04 02:25:57 <pupnik> is it possible to do the stich stuff without tripod?
Dec 04 02:29:28 <pupnik> colors are nice too - guessing it's a dslr
Dec 04 02:49:11 <hpg101> i've paired my plantronics 320 headset to my n800. i can't seem to figure out how to get the audio output directed to it. Any suggestions?
Dec 04 02:57:04 <pupnik> does the N800 audio jack have a mic-in?
Dec 04 02:57:15 <pupnik> oh sorry
Dec 04 02:57:20 <pupnik> a2dp/bluetooth?
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