**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 07 02:59:57 2007
Dec 07 03:39:05 <Vulc|Bleh> Guys, anyone know what could cause an SD card death and how to try and remedy it?
Dec 07 03:39:16 <Vulc|Bleh> it shows up for a small bit when it is locked from writing... and thats it
Dec 07 03:47:17 <Vulc|Bleh> nevermind
Dec 07 03:51:48 <l7> hey, has anyone recieved a tablet that has an uneven backlight?
Dec 07 03:53:15 <|R> reallly uneven?
Dec 07 03:56:28 <Vulc|Bleh> Which one
Dec 07 03:56:31 <Vulc|Bleh> which model*
Dec 07 03:56:37 <Vulc|Bleh> my n800 does not
Dec 07 03:58:14 <l7> |R: slightly uneven
Dec 07 03:58:40 <l7> the backlight is dim at the right side of the screen
Dec 07 03:58:45 <l7> and brighter on the left side
Dec 07 03:59:23 <l7> i'm assuming the LCD lamp is on the left side, and it's a little imperfect?
Dec 07 03:59:40 <l7> a thread on forums described this as a "common" issue
Dec 07 04:00:22 <l7> it's noticable in fbreader in full screen
Dec 07 04:00:26 <|R> loaded note to have a white bg...
Dec 07 04:00:34 <|R> straight in front i don't notice anything weird
Dec 07 04:03:01 <l7> hrm i think there are lcd lamps on the right side too
Dec 07 04:03:38 <l7> they seem to be pointed towards the back of the unit rather than parallel
Dec 07 04:04:14 <l7> i just heard that returning your unit to nokia for service requires a pretty long time
Dec 07 04:08:12 <ol_schoola> hi all. still trying to reflash my n800. it currently has IT2008 1.2007.42-18 with Fanoush's "boot from mmc" initfs
Dec 07 04:10:05 <ol_schoola> anytime i try to flash, regardless of the firmware version, it gives this output http://pastebin.ca/807953
Dec 07 04:12:15 <ol_schoola> i had the backup of the original initfs as recommended in mmc boot writeup, but a recent haphazard housekeeping on my mac wiped it out
Dec 07 04:12:34 * ol_schoola goes looking for a trout to self-administer
Dec 07 04:14:47 <ol_schoola> About Product control panel reports Nokia N800 Internet Tablet, <unknown>, Version: <unknown>, WLAN and Bluetooth addresses are normal
Dec 07 04:16:54 * |R never played with boot from mmc yet :|
Dec 07 04:23:37 <ol_schoola> darn. GeneralAntilles gave me same answer last night
Dec 07 04:24:08 <ol_schoola> i'd post on the ITT forum to get Fanoush's ear but it appears i'm not authorized to post
Dec 07 04:24:37 <ol_schoola> is there a "brute force" flashing method?
Dec 07 04:27:02 <l7>  hrm, i've been wondering about boot from mmc
Dec 07 04:30:18 <ol_schoola> it works great but i was told (here, last night) that it's not working well with the Nokia released 2008 for the n800 (44-4?)
Dec 07 04:31:02 <ol_schoola> i'm stuck at IT2008 1.2007.42-18. can't flash down, can't flash up, can't reflash
Dec 07 04:31:39 <l7> ah that sucks
Dec 07 04:31:56 <l7> why can't you flash down?
Dec 07 04:34:52 <l7> man, mplayer is weird for me tonight
Dec 07 04:35:03 <l7> sometimes it plays fine, and sometimes it plays at 1fps
Dec 07 04:36:09 <ol_schoola> here's the output when i flash http://pastebin.ca/807953
Dec 07 04:57:44 <Vulc|Bleh> I know its not huge, but where od I rename the tablet?
Dec 07 05:05:59 <ol_schoola> Control Panel -> Connectivity section -> Bluetoth
Dec 07 05:15:27 <ol_schoola> Vulc|Bleh: still here after the splits?
Dec 07 05:15:34 <Vulc|Bleh> Yes
Dec 07 05:15:50 <ol_schoola> Control Panel -> Connectivity section -> Bluetooth
Dec 07 05:16:02 <ol_schoola> why ther, i don't know, but it is
Dec 07 05:16:05 <ol_schoola> there
Dec 07 05:16:08 <Vulc|Bleh> thanks.
Dec 07 05:17:40 <Vulc|Bleh> rofl
Dec 07 05:17:43 <Vulc|Bleh> that makes no sense whatsoever.
Dec 07 05:17:54 <Vulc|Bleh> I even needed to turn BT on to change it, then off again and it stuck
Dec 07 05:18:07 <ol_schoola> whoev er wrote the code must REALLY think this is primarily a BT device
Dec 07 05:49:51 <|R> anyone ever finished marble? :P
Dec 07 06:05:58 <K`zan> Night folks and THANKS All!
Dec 07 06:58:04 <fysa> is there a cbr/cbz reader for os2008?
Dec 07 06:58:13 <fysa> I think evince supports it in some compiles but not all?
Dec 07 07:53:11 <anders_> 7
Dec 07 07:57:34 <rip_> 8
Dec 07 07:59:26 <|R> 16
Dec 07 08:02:32 <rip_> Isn't 9 after 8
Dec 07 08:02:52 <rip_> and Seven is a dangerous number? because 7 ate 9
Dec 07 08:03:03 <|R> who says that was the sequence :P
Dec 07 08:03:13 <|R> it's like a multi user iq test haha
Dec 07 08:03:21 <rip_> :P
Dec 07 08:08:58 <anders_> Sorry about starting this very intellectual discussion..
Dec 07 08:18:39 <L0cutus> buongiorno
Dec 07 09:01:39 <rothiel> Hi guys =)
Dec 07 09:23:59 <sikahakki> can I enaable text in boot like grub option splash=verbose (n800 os 2007) ?
Dec 07 09:44:12 <ol_schoola> .-/
Dec 07 10:04:03 <jmspeex> can someone tell me how to install an ssh client on my N800
Dec 07 10:04:30 <doublec> there is an ssh client on maemo.org
Dec 07 10:04:34 <doublec> let me find a link
Dec 07 10:04:59 <doublec> oh, their down at the moment
Dec 07 10:08:50 <jeddy3> jmspeex, yes, what doublec said...they have packages for both client and server, and you also need the osso xterm package to get a proper console
Dec 07 10:09:33 <jeddy3> here is the link...was not down for me http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/openssh-client/
Dec 07 10:10:02 <doublec> hmm, yes I seem to be having network problems, it's my end, sorry
Dec 07 10:12:08 <milhouse> or just add the extras repository and select openssh, openssh-server or openssh-client from the list in app manager
Dec 07 10:15:43 <[pablo]> does anyone know where to find the gstreamer-plugins-bad package? I looked everywhere I can think of and all I could find was gstreamer-plugins-bad-ivorbis(which as far as I could tell was a particular component of gstreamer-plugins-bad stripped out and packaged seperately)
Dec 07 10:16:14 <lardman> assuming that was all you found in the repo, that may be all they distribute
Dec 07 10:16:24 <lardman> in which case get the full package from the gstreamer site
Dec 07 10:17:10 <lardman> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/g/
Dec 07 10:17:21 <lardman> I don't see gstreamer-plugins-bad-ivorbis there...
Dec 07 10:17:52 <lardman> is this what you want?: http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/modules/gst-plugins-bad.html
Dec 07 10:17:56 <jmspeex> jeddy3: is there a way to compile directly on the N800 or do I have to cross-compile? (the former is more convenient since Speex it's a small package)
Dec 07 10:18:17 <jeddy3> ok, this has probably been asked one hundred times ;)...but is there any good instructions on reflashing somewhere?
Dec 07 10:18:19 <lardman> jmspeex: you spoken to kulve?
Dec 07 10:18:29 <lardman> jeddy3: maemo.org wiki
Dec 07 10:18:36 <lardman> jmspeex: no, not on device
Dec 07 10:18:36 <jeddy3> lardman, thanks
Dec 07 10:18:48 <jeddy3> jmspeex, i'm not the right person to ask about that :)
Dec 07 10:18:50 <lardman> jmspeex: kulve did a dsp task of speex
Dec 07 10:19:11 <jmspeex> lardman: he posts once in a while, rhy?
Dec 07 10:19:13 <jmspeex> why?
Dec 07 10:19:28 <jeddy3> jmspeex, just got my n800 at beginning of week, so i'm still a noob also :)
Dec 07 10:19:42 <jmspeex> lardman: You mean he got Speex to run on the DSP core (C55?)
Dec 07 10:19:46 <lardman> jmspeex: yes
Dec 07 10:20:00 <[pablo]> lardman: it's in a seperate repo, http://tuomas.kulve.fi/debian
Dec 07 10:20:03 <ccooke> heh. my n810 finally arrived on Wednesday. I'm more impressed than I expected
Dec 07 10:20:23 <lardman> [pablo]: that's because he only packaged that part of gstreamer
Dec 07 10:20:25 <[pablo]> lardman: i found the package in the maemo bora repository though, guess it's just a matter of waiting
Dec 07 10:20:46 <[pablo]> lardman: yes i know, that's all I found, that's what I said, but you said you couldn't find it, i was telling you where I found it
Dec 07 10:21:16 <lardman> [pablo]: are the versions that different? I doubt there are any devicisms in it, just grab a debian source download and build it yourself, that's how I built the vorbis plugin
Dec 07 11:04:14 <jmspeex> OK, that's a silly question, but how do I bookmark a page?
Dec 07 11:04:50 <keesj> you can use the menu key and select bookmark from one of the submenus
Dec 07 11:05:22 <keesj> it is also possible to bookmark a link by keeping the pen down and waiting for a pop-up dialog
Dec 07 11:05:47 <jmspeex> I don't see anything in the submenus...
Dec 07 11:05:54 <sp3000> or use the bottom left button on the toolbar
Dec 07 11:06:10 <[pablo]> click on the globe in the lower left hand corner of the browser
Dec 07 11:06:18 <[pablo]> or i believe ctrl+d works
Dec 07 11:06:42 <jmspeex> ok, the globe worked
Dec 07 11:06:50 <jmspeex> thanks
Dec 07 11:07:06 * sp3000 does see it as the first item of the second group of the second submenu
Dec 07 11:08:18 <kulve> jmspeex: so, you have n800 now too?
Dec 07 11:08:21 * jeddy3 just upgraded to 2008beta
Dec 07 11:08:30 <jmspeex> yes
Dec 07 11:08:40 <jmspeex> wanted to try optimising Speex for ARM using it
Dec 07 11:08:56 <jmspeex> what's the simplest way to get started?
Dec 07 11:08:59 <kulve> jmspeex: you don't really need to "cross-compile" anything, as scratchbox does that for you. And installing SB is quite trivial, since maemo provides a script that does the whole thing
Dec 07 11:09:24 <jmspeex> kulve: link?
Dec 07 11:09:32 <kulve> jmspeex: are you using the 2007? Or the 2008 beta?
Dec 07 11:09:44 <jmspeex> 2007. Should I upgrade?
Dec 07 11:09:49 <kulve> not yet, imo
Dec 07 11:09:51 <jmspeex> (of so how?)
Dec 07 11:09:54 <jmspeex> ok
Dec 07 11:10:19 <kulve> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/INSTALL.txt
Dec 07 11:10:29 <keesj> 3.1?
Dec 07 11:10:56 <jmspeex> what's that?
Dec 07 11:11:19 <kulve> keesj: is there installer script for 3.2..?
Dec 07 11:11:56 <dpb_> 3.2 install instructions tell to install 3.1 first, then upgrade
Dec 07 11:12:06 <kulve> yeah
Dec 07 11:12:17 <kulve> jmspeex: so, see the section 2.1 in that .txt
Dec 07 11:12:19 <inz> Is there a reason to use 3.1 (or 3.2) target?
Dec 07 11:12:27 <inz> Instead of 3.0 one.
Dec 07 11:12:43 <kulve> the newer the better?
Dec 07 11:13:03 <kulve> at least with 3.1 and 3.2 the difference seems to be pretty small..
Dec 07 11:13:10 <dpb_> must be tons of bug fixes in the newer ones
Dec 07 11:13:33 <inz> kulve, for the device, sure, but for the SDK, I don't really see the point
Dec 07 11:13:48 <kulve> inz: well, is there a reason not to run apt-get upgrade? :)
Dec 07 11:14:14 <kulve> jmspeex: my ogg-support provides the speex for maemo, just in case you're interested.. (probably not :)
Dec 07 11:14:34 <inz> kulve, the packages created might not work on 3.0 device anymore
Dec 07 11:14:46 <kulve> and why would somebody run 3.0 device..?
Dec 07 11:15:02 <kulve> on the device I think it's important to upgrade..
Dec 07 11:15:21 <inz> kulve, I would bet there are plenty of people that are still running whatever came with the device
Dec 07 11:15:38 <kulve> inz: probably yes, but I think they should upgrade..
Dec 07 11:15:55 <inz> kulve, well, I think the choice is not mine, but theirs
Dec 07 11:16:11 <inz> kulve, thus I don't want to force them to upgrade just to run software X
Dec 07 11:16:49 <kulve> well, if there are api changes you need to build for both then..
Dec 07 11:17:00 <kulve> and if not, then the package should work on both devices
Dec 07 11:17:38 <inz> kulve, if you want to use Depends: libthis, libthat instead of ${shlibs:Depends}, then you only care about ABI compatibility
Dec 07 11:18:02 <inz> kulve, but I would guess there are packages that just use dh_makeshlibs and thus enforce a strict version dependency
Dec 07 11:18:24 <inz> kulve, i.e. the binaries would work -- packages wouldn't
Dec 07 11:18:47 <dpb_> inz: about everyone builds 2007 packages with 3.2, so if one person builds with 3.0 for compatibility with older images, there's really no point..
Dec 07 11:19:44 <inz> dpb_, one software is more than none, no?
Dec 07 11:19:57 <kulve> inz: if you want to support older versions and you know that the ABIs are compatible, then I suggest using proper Depends -line instead of the automatic version
Dec 07 11:20:15 <dpb_> I don't think the 2007 images have changed so much that 3.2 packages wouldn't run in all of them..
Dec 07 11:22:36 <inz> dpb, might be, but I still don't see the point in upgrading the SDK
Dec 07 11:23:02 <kulve> but since I think the ABIs aren't 100% between the releases I think the most correct procedure would be compiling different packages for all releases..
Dec 07 11:23:17 <kulve> inz: the sdk has bugfixes too..
Dec 07 11:24:18 <dpb_> as I already said a while ago..
Dec 07 11:44:38 <inz> dpb, kulve, name one that affects anyone
Dec 07 11:45:18 <dpb_> I'm not going to search closed bugs from bugzilla for you, sorry.
Dec 07 11:48:45 <dpb_> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/3.1/maemo-sdk-relnotes_3.1.txt lists some fixed problems.
Dec 07 11:51:39 <inz> dpb, I don't concider any of them to affect the build rootstrap
Dec 07 11:52:01 <inz> dpb, but anyway, anyone may do as they please, it's a free world ;)
Dec 07 11:53:38 <czr> free'er for some than others :-)
Dec 07 11:54:01 <inz> sure
Dec 07 12:19:11 <hozano> marciom: Hi! Can you join in easy channel?
Dec 07 12:19:22 <marciom> sure
Dec 07 12:34:40 <jeddy3> anyone having any tips for encoding h264 with mencoder, os2008 mediaplayer says video is damaged
Dec 07 12:35:09 <lardman> wow a new error message
Dec 07 12:35:39 <lardman> rather than the generic ones we used to get :)
Dec 07 12:36:14 <jeddy3> i DID interrupt encoding...but rebuild the index, so that _should_ not be a problem...
Dec 07 12:36:26 <lardman> jeddy3: does the gstreamer plugin give you any output to debug it?
Dec 07 12:36:59 <jeddy3> lardman, is gstreamer something i have to isntall?
Dec 07 12:37:51 <lardman> jeddy3: no, it's what the media player uses as a backend
Dec 07 12:38:34 <jeddy3> ooh, no it just says video clip is damaged, (but in swedish :P)
Dec 07 12:38:46 <L0cutus> mmm
Dec 07 12:38:56 <lardman> yes, but that presumably means it's decided the clip is not to its liking for some reason
Dec 07 12:39:00 <lardman> the question is why
Dec 07 12:39:12 <L0cutus> pan (newsgroups reader) doesn't compile on os2008.
Dec 07 12:39:32 <jeddy3> it's avi file ending, and avi container, is that correct?
Dec 07 12:39:52 <lardman> no idea, sorry
Dec 07 12:40:06 <jeddy3> someone have any mencoder arguments to share?
Dec 07 12:40:17 <jeddy3> i might have encoded it wrong
Dec 07 12:40:25 <jeddy3> lardman, thanks anyway!
Dec 07 12:40:33 <lardman> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/getting_started_with_multimedia.html, scroll down to deployment
Dec 07 12:40:47 <lardman> see how gst-launch is used with a decoder pipeline
Dec 07 12:41:17 <lardman> I was thinking that if you try decoding the file using this commandline tool (you'll need to work out the pipes) then it might output some useful error information
Dec 07 12:41:41 <jeddy3> lardman, aah, good idea
Dec 07 12:42:48 <kulve> on 2008? playbin seems to be there easying that task quite a lot..
Dec 07 12:43:18 <lardman> kulve: I don't know the specifics, but if you do, please share
Dec 07 12:44:17 <kulve> I think most files play just with "gst-launch playbin uri=file://foo/bar.avi"
Dec 07 12:44:44 <kulve> +/
Dec 07 12:44:47 <lardman> how does it know what the pipeline should be?
Dec 07 12:44:59 <kulve> that's the job of the playbin :)
Dec 07 12:45:11 <lardman> :)
Dec 07 12:45:25 <lardman> jeddy3: try and see, it may at least give more output than the player
Dec 07 12:45:32 <Screaming> Cool! Just downloaded the new fm radio app for 2008. Its got an alarm clock!!! And it works, Yipee!
Dec 07 12:45:41 <kulve> the plugins tell their mime-types/etc for in/out and the playbin tries to figure out the best pipeline
Dec 07 12:46:26 <kulve> -v gives a bit more output for gst-launch and "GST_DEBUG=*:5 gst-launch" gives more that you want..
Dec 07 12:46:58 <lardman> kulve: cool, thanks
Dec 07 12:47:22 <X-Fade_> Screaming: Yeah, nice one huh? ;)
Dec 07 12:47:41 <jeddy3> hmmm, don't even have gst-launch :P
Dec 07 12:48:29 <Khertan> Hi !
Dec 07 12:48:42 <GeneralAntilles> ol_schoola, add -F in there ./flasher-2.0.macosx -F RX...
Dec 07 12:48:54 <Screaming> Nice to know they really do listen up there in the cold dark Finland
Dec 07 12:49:06 <jeddy3> os gst-launch-0.10
Dec 07 12:49:12 <jeddy3> s/or/os/
Dec 07 12:49:22 <lardman> install gstreamer-tools
Dec 07 12:49:26 <lardman> I think
Dec 07 12:50:15 <X-Fade_> Screaming: Well, if they would really listen, they would release the source ;)
Dec 07 12:50:27 <GeneralAntilles> I'm surprised they didn't integrate it with the existing alarm function though, Screaming.
Dec 07 12:50:57 <Screaming> X-Fade: One step at a time...
Dec 07 12:50:59 <kulve> jeddy3: yeah, you need gstreamer0.10-tools (or somethink like that). When you know where to get it, let me know too ;)
Dec 07 12:51:26 <jeddy3> kulve, yeah, was just searching :D ...no luck :P
Dec 07 12:51:56 <|newbie|> 0ps
Dec 07 12:55:43 <lardman> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gstreamer0.10/
Dec 07 12:56:01 <lopz> buenos dias
Dec 07 12:56:24 <lardman> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/g/gstreamer0.10/gstreamer0.10-tools_0.10.13-0osso11_armel.deb to be exact. Or are you not using OS2008?
Dec 07 12:59:28 <lopz> bye xD
Dec 07 13:01:17 <Screaming> lopz: Buenas tardes
Dec 07 13:01:58 <kulve> I added the repository.maemo.org and installed less, wget, and gstreamer0.10-tools from there
Dec 07 13:02:02 <kulve> deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free
Dec 07 13:02:25 <kulve> but I think you can get packages from there that are not suitable for the device, so be careful what to install..
Dec 07 13:07:10 <Screaming> kulve: ...or not...they seem to have packages(eg python2.5) that appear and disappear at the drop of a hat.
Dec 07 13:07:24 <kulve> gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///media/mmc1/oggeja/file.ogg plays just fine
Dec 07 13:08:24 <GeneralAntilles> Any Nokians about?
Dec 07 13:08:33 <Screaming> Currently waiting fir kagu and python to re-emerge from the maemo black-hole:(
Dec 07 13:09:02 <kulve> GeneralAntilles: what do you need Nokians for..?
Dec 07 13:09:26 <GeneralAntilles> timeless had me file a bug on the docs yesterday and wanted me to "grab a nokian on friday and make sure it's imported".
Dec 07 13:09:35 <GeneralAntilles> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2499
Dec 07 13:10:08 <kulve> GeneralAntilles: ok. Try to find one then :)
Dec 07 13:10:19 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe, that's what I was doing. ;)
Dec 07 13:11:01 <kulve> does somebody want to try playing oggs with the built-in player on 2008?
Dec 07 13:11:06 <kulve> (probably won't work)
Dec 07 13:12:18 <Screaming> GeneralAntilles: Holiday Thursday,day off Friday. In Spain they call it a puente-a bridge.
Dec 07 13:12:48 <GeneralAntilles> I'm just doing what the big, mean browser dev told me to do. :P
Dec 07 13:13:41 <Screaming> GA: You mean the nicest Nokian around.:-)
Dec 07 13:14:07 <GeneralAntilles> Pfft.
Dec 07 13:14:31 <czr> just think of all the karma points ;-)
Dec 07 13:14:51 * GeneralAntilles doesn't think his garage account is linked to his bugzilla account.
Dec 07 13:15:00 <czr> different email?
Dec 07 13:15:16 <GeneralAntilles> Good question, don't recall.
Dec 07 13:15:28 <GeneralAntilles> Can you handle the "importing", czr?
Dec 07 13:15:30 <czr> if it's the same email, it should link ok methinks
Dec 07 13:15:35 <czr> no, I'm not a nokee
Dec 07 13:15:47 <GeneralAntilles> Well, damn.
Dec 07 13:16:03 <czr> friday probably is a day off for the finnish nokees
Dec 07 13:16:12 <czr> yesterday was the independence day and all that
Dec 07 13:16:56 <lardman> kulve: I think he wanted to play h.264
Dec 07 13:18:07 <kulve> lardman: could be. I just proved my point about playbin ;)
Dec 07 13:18:35 <kulve> but I think the device doesn't use playbin for all mimetypes..
Dec 07 13:18:44 <kulve> so there might be handcrafted pipelines for some..
Dec 07 13:18:46 <kulve> bbl
Dec 07 13:18:53 <lardman> k
Dec 07 13:19:11 <jeddy3> GeneralAntilles, you had encoded h.264 for os 2008, right?
Dec 07 13:19:21 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, didn't go so well.
Dec 07 13:19:30 <lardman> jeddy3: did playbin do anything?
Dec 07 13:20:04 <jeddy3> lardman, the deb you linked to was "uncopatible" according to application manager
Dec 07 13:20:04 <GeneralAntilles> 400x240 500-1000Kbps with AAC at 24fps (didn't feel like forcing any of my encoders to mp3)
Dec 07 13:20:33 <jeddy3> GeneralAntilles, and avi file ending?
Dec 07 13:20:43 <GeneralAntilles> .mp4
Dec 07 13:20:46 <lardman> jeddy3: you running OS2007 or 2008?
Dec 07 13:20:49 <jeddy3> aah, that might be it
Dec 07 13:20:53 <jeddy3> lardman, 2008
Dec 07 13:21:03 <lardman> hmm
Dec 07 13:21:10 <lardman> should work
Dec 07 13:21:23 <jeddy3> GeneralAntilles, just change the fileending? not any container arguments or something?
Dec 07 13:28:59 <Screaming> Does anyone know how to persuade Nokia's legal department to let me agree not to sue them just the once. Not everytime I install something?
Dec 07 13:29:53 <lardman> jeddy3: app manager red pill mode install gstreamer-tools. Works fine for me
Dec 07 13:31:09 <GeneralAntilles> Haha, Screaming.
Dec 07 13:31:27 <GeneralAntilles> I had the same idea for that stupid "Unplugg the charger" notice.
Dec 07 13:31:54 <GeneralAntilles> I'm going to sue them for pain and suffering instead.
Dec 07 13:32:09 <Screaming> GA: I guess lawyers are a law unto themselves.
Dec 07 13:32:44 <Khertan> "<Screaming> Currently waiting fir kagu and python to re-emerge from the maemo black-hole:(" ....
Dec 07 13:32:56 <Khertan> what s the problem ?
Dec 07 13:33:08 <Screaming> GA: DONT! They are LAWYERS
Dec 07 13:36:29 <Screaming> First lesson in lawyerhood. "Heads I win, Tails everybody but me looses."
Dec 07 13:38:43 <MSameerWork> is there a document on how to extend HIM better than the maemo.org one ?
Dec 07 13:41:52 <jeddy3> hmm, i'm also having sync issues with videos produced with tablet-encode :P
Dec 07 13:43:18 <lardman> After reading about iPhysics on ITT, the actual game looks pretty fun: http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/
Dec 07 13:43:27 <felipec> jeddy3: have you checked http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/transcoding_how-to.html ?
Dec 07 13:43:34 <lardman> (scroll down to the youtube video)
Dec 07 13:46:30 <Khertan> lardman> funny and as i ve see on itt ... box2D is an open source engine coded in c++ ...
Dec 07 13:46:31 <Khertan> so it could be ported to maemo ...
Dec 07 13:46:31 <Khertan> but the game based on this engine seems not to be open source
Dec 07 13:46:31 <lardman> yes indeed
Dec 07 13:46:31 <jeddy3> felipec, thanks
Dec 07 13:46:31 <lardman> http://www.kloonigames.com/blog/games/crayon/ is open source though, and is the same sort of thing
Dec 07 13:46:31 <Khertan> hum ... i ve found the source last time :)
Dec 07 13:47:04 <Khertan> Crayon Physics uses: SDL, SDL_Image, SDL_Mixer and SDL_RotoZoom
Dec 07 13:47:25 <Khertan> and i dont find any source ... for crayon
Dec 07 13:47:33 <lardman> Khertan: ah, no I thought I read it was open source
Dec 07 13:48:26 <Khertan> the graphic and music are under cc
Dec 07 13:49:29 <lardman> yeah, oh well
Dec 07 13:49:32 <kulve> does somebody want to try playing oggs with the built-in player on 2008?
Dec 07 13:49:34 <kulve> (probably won't work)
Dec 07 13:49:44 <lardman> I can if you insist
Dec 07 13:49:50 <kulve> lardman: I don't :)
Dec 07 13:50:08 <lardman> anything to install to do so? A vorbisidec plugin
Dec 07 13:50:13 <kulve> I'll need to setup a fresh installation on mmc for someday to easily test those on fresh installs..
Dec 07 13:50:39 <kulve> lardman: my ogg-support from maemo.org/downloads and then a new version of ogg-support from the url I'll give
Dec 07 13:50:45 <lardman> ok
Dec 07 13:51:04 <lardman> ah, is this for Os2008?
Dec 07 13:51:13 <kulve> yes
Dec 07 13:51:17 <felipec> jeddy3: there's a script I did inspired by tablet-encode... it has only been tested by me AFAIK
Dec 07 13:51:26 <Screaming> lardman: Looks fun. I prefer CrayonLawyer. Difference is you never lose.
Dec 07 13:51:42 <felipec> kulve: hi :) I'm the one that sent you the patch for OS2008
Dec 07 13:51:54 <jeddy3> felipec, why -noidx?
Dec 07 13:52:11 <kulve> felipec: hi
Dec 07 13:52:22 <kulve> I didn't use it as-is, but copied the idea..
Dec 07 13:52:33 <derf> kulve: How much harder do you think it would be to add Theora support?
Dec 07 13:53:00 <felipec> kulve: yeap, you get the idea of what needs to be done anyway
Dec 07 13:53:19 <kulve> derf: it has it already
Dec 07 13:53:33 <derf> !
Dec 07 13:53:43 <derf> Genisu.
Dec 07 13:53:51 <felipec> kulve: wow, and how does it work?
Dec 07 13:53:58 <kulve> felipec: it didn't work out-of-the-box with all devices I tested it with, so I'm now trying to figure out why..
Dec 07 13:54:04 <felipec> (Theora)
Dec 07 13:54:06 <kulve> felipec: umm. what?
Dec 07 13:54:08 <kulve> ah
Dec 07 13:54:30 <kulve> well, it works, but obviously isn't as optimized as mpeg4
Dec 07 13:54:59 <kulve> but the theora just moved from alpha to beta and got x86/x64 asm optimizations, so maybe it'll get those for arm too some day :)
Dec 07 13:56:37 <derf> Not until I learn arm assembly.
Dec 07 13:56:59 <kulve> derf: hmm.. You are a theora dev?
Dec 07 13:57:04 <derf> kulve: Yes.
Dec 07 13:57:29 <kulve> well, thanks for a good codec :)
Dec 07 13:57:35 <derf> Yer welcome.
Dec 07 13:57:50 <kulve> the built-in player plays oggs with theora/vorbis on my device..
Dec 07 13:57:54 <felipec> kulve: for both decoding and encoding?
Dec 07 13:58:05 <derf> I would actually rather do a dsp task, but I'm waiting for lardman to get enough of one working for Vorbis to steal^Wcopy from.
Dec 07 13:58:21 <kulve> encoding? I haven't tried encoding anything..
Dec 07 13:58:34 <felipec> kulve: I mean x86 optimizations for encoding
Dec 07 13:58:54 <kulve> felipec: oh. I didn't check that carefully..
Dec 07 13:59:01 <derf> There are some, yes.
Dec 07 13:59:19 <derf> Hopefully most will still be standing after Monty's done hacking the encoder to bits.
Dec 07 13:59:42 <derf> Red Hat finally let him work on something useful.
Dec 07 14:01:11 <kulve> lardman: thx for testing, even if it didn't work..
Dec 07 14:02:05 <Screaming> derf: kulve: I always reckoned the neat trick for asm optimising was to write ur c code so the optimiser gave you the assembler you wanted. That way it runs anywhere.
Dec 07 14:02:10 <kulve> lardman: gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=file:///media/mmc1/oggeja/file.ogg
Dec 07 14:02:56 <lardman> derf: I have a dsp task for ogg, just have some issues loading it
Dec 07 14:03:04 <derf> Screaming: The compiler's auto-vectorizer needs some work before it'll be useful enough to do that.
Dec 07 14:03:18 <lardman> derf: waiting on Nokia to provide some compilable source for dsp_dld so I can add some more debugging output and work out what's wrong
Dec 07 14:03:27 <Screaming> Respect derf!
Dec 07 14:03:59 <Screaming> cu guys, gotta go swim in the sea while its stll nice and warm.
Dec 07 14:04:10 <felipec> lardman: I'm on that ;)
Dec 07 14:05:31 <lardman> felipec: you a nokian?
Dec 07 14:05:44 <lardman> kulve: works fine with playbin though
Dec 07 14:06:13 <felipec> lardman: yes, on the multimedia team
Dec 07 14:06:19 <lardman> cool
Dec 07 14:06:21 <kulve> lardman: sure. The stupid mp just says "no-go" without even trying..
Dec 07 14:06:23 <kulve> but bbl
Dec 07 14:06:43 <lardman> felipec: you saw my ml post/bug and understand what I'm after then?
Dec 07 14:07:03 <lardman> kulve: bug me thinks
Dec 07 14:07:16 <kulve> lardman: btw. You have know that floating point version of the vorbis. You can just remove the lib to get the integer version..
Dec 07 14:07:22 <kulve> (bug in the ogg-support)
Dec 07 14:07:43 <lardman> s/know/now ??
Dec 07 14:07:57 <lardman> gst was sat at ~18% cpu
Dec 07 14:08:50 <felipec> lardman: yes, I think so...
Dec 07 14:09:16 <lardman> I think I know what I want anyway... :)
Dec 07 14:09:58 <felipec> lardman: have you checked osso-dsp-loader ?
Dec 07 14:10:14 <lardman> felipec: no, I didn't know that existed
Dec 07 14:10:59 <dobey> holas!
Dec 07 14:11:10 <lardman> felipec: looks like that's what I want, thanks
Dec 07 14:11:35 <felipec> lardman: me neither :) I was just searching for all the stuff that we have
Dec 07 14:12:13 <lardman> :)
Dec 07 14:12:20 <lardman> I'll post a reply to the list and close my bug
Dec 07 14:12:28 <lardman> assuming i can close bugs that is
Dec 07 14:13:36 <dobey> can anyone tell me how to make networking work for maemo apps inside scratchbox?
Dec 07 14:14:00 <felipec> lardman: which bug?
Dec 07 14:14:08 <lardman> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2498
Dec 07 14:14:17 <lardman> was wondering whether to make it fixed or invalid
Dec 07 14:15:37 <felipec> lardman: well, I guess this needs to be written down somewhere
Dec 07 14:16:04 <lardman> no-one but me uses it to be honest, I now know so can tell people if they want it
Dec 07 14:16:27 <lardman> also, if I add a reply to the mailing list and bug tracker, then close the bug, people can search for it too
Dec 07 14:17:05 <felipec> lardman: let me do that so people know they can ask me too
Dec 07 14:17:31 <lardman> oops, have already sent a post to the mailing list, with your irc name on it too though
Dec 07 14:18:05 <lardman> do you want to close the bug?
Dec 07 14:18:29 <felipec> lardman: all right
Dec 07 14:19:58 <lardman> felipec: I've had some interest from someone who wants to write an SBC dsp task, is this worth pursuing or will it soon be duplicated?
Dec 07 14:20:32 <lardman> s/wants to write/wants to collaborate and write
Dec 07 14:26:03 <felipec> lardman: well, it won't be duplicated work
Dec 07 14:28:11 <lardman> felipec: okay, sorry to hear that in some ways, but it will give us something else to do :)
Dec 07 14:28:22 <X-Fade_> felipec: Do you know if it is already known that there are some issues with .wmv files. Yuv decoding artifacts, I guess? http://www.discoveryondemand.nl/broadband/broadband.jsp?site=nl&template=freeclipplay&clip_id=41
Dec 07 14:29:03 <alterego> Cool, I think I'll buy a USB gender changer this afternoon
Dec 07 14:29:24 <X-Fade_> felipec: It plays fine in the internal player after you click on the movie logo, but the colors are messed up. You see diagonal tearing..
Dec 07 14:29:38 <alterego> I didn't realise how easy it was to enable OTG host mode :)
Dec 07 14:29:48 <dobey> hmm
Dec 07 14:29:51 <dobey> hey felipec
Dec 07 14:31:02 <shackan> mm, mi 800 is on "charging" since yesterday, should I worry?
Dec 07 14:31:18 <lardman> shackan: did you leave wifi on?
Dec 07 14:31:29 <lardman> shackan: if so, or it automatically comes on, I wouldn't worry too much
Dec 07 14:32:00 <shackan> lardman: the device itself is off
Dec 07 14:32:20 <lardman> shackan: oh, no idea then
Dec 07 14:32:48 <shackan> strange..
Dec 07 14:32:50 <lardman> shackan: try switching it on and continue charging, see if there's a bug
Dec 07 14:33:15 <lardman> shackan: I doubt many people charge with the device off, so if it just keeps going few would see that
Dec 07 14:34:28 <shackan> really? I expected it to be the norm to wait until the battery was drained and only then charge it, without anything running, maybe I'm just too cautious
Dec 07 14:35:31 <shackan> (if there was a way to run it on my desk directly from wall power without using the battery at all I'd be much happier, too)
Dec 07 14:35:35 <lardman> I wait until the "battery low" warning comes on and then charge, or if i need to use it just charge when it's on one bar
Dec 07 14:35:54 <GeneralAntilles> You shouldn't wait until anything.
Dec 07 14:35:59 <GeneralAntilles> Charge it whenever you can.
Dec 07 14:36:00 <lardman> the batteries are relatively cheap, just use it in a convenient way
Dec 07 14:36:13 <GeneralAntilles> Draining it will kill the life of the battery.
Dec 07 14:36:17 <X-Fade_> Li-ion actually likes being charged..
Dec 07 14:36:22 <lardman> I thought they still have a fixed # of charges
Dec 07 14:36:30 <shackan> GeneralAntilles: oh?
Dec 07 14:36:42 <alterego> Yeah, you shouldn't completely discharge Li ion batteries.
Dec 07 14:36:59 <shackan> crap
Dec 07 14:37:07 <lardman> but they probably don't completely discharge do they, they moan about being flat before they are damaged
Dec 07 14:37:20 <alterego> shackan, don't worry about it. The devices wont let the battery completely drain.
Dec 07 14:37:21 <felipec> dobey: hey dobey :) long time no see
Dec 07 14:37:22 <lardman> well before I would imagine
Dec 07 14:37:34 <felipec> dobey: also involved in Maemo?
Dec 07 14:37:40 <dobey> felipec: working on webkit
Dec 07 14:37:44 <alterego> lardman, yes. Pretty much all systems have that logic built in :)
Dec 07 14:37:52 <dobey> felipec: trying to make stuff work inside scratchbox
Dec 07 14:37:53 <felipec> X-Fade_: is there a bug report for that?
Dec 07 14:38:01 <shackan> I tought keeping it plugged would actually damage the battery, now I hear it's the opposite..
Dec 07 14:38:17 <X-Fade_> felipec: Can't find one, but maybe you guys already have it in the internal bugzilla ;)
Dec 07 14:38:26 <X-Fade_> felipec: Which I can't see..
Dec 07 14:38:30 <alterego> shackan, don't worry about it. You can't completey drain the battery anyway :P
Dec 07 14:38:34 <felipec> dobey: oh that's cool, I'm glad I don't have to work so much on scratchbox 1 though
Dec 07 14:38:45 <lardman> X-Fade_: add it anyway, more exposure, etc.
Dec 07 14:39:02 <shackan> alterego: so, when I'm not around, can I keep it on wall power ?
Dec 07 14:39:08 <alterego> Sure
Dec 07 14:39:15 <X-Fade_> Can someone confirm if they see the artifacts too?
Dec 07 14:39:24 <GeneralAntilles> shackan, that's an issue with laptops that run really hot.
Dec 07 14:39:25 <dobey> felipec: yeah, things are easier when you have infinite devices at your request :)
Dec 07 14:39:29 <alterego> Though, it's a bit of a waste. The device should be able to stay on for days without charging it ..
Dec 07 14:39:32 <GeneralAntilles> NITs don't actually generate much in the way of heat.
Dec 07 14:39:36 <alterego> As long as it's not doing anything.
Dec 07 14:39:40 <shackan> aww, great
Dec 07 14:39:44 <dobey> felipec: i don't think my n800 would be happy if i tried to build webkit on it though
Dec 07 14:40:00 <X-Fade_> GeneralAntilles: Try running vagalume ;)
Dec 07 14:40:13 <X-Fade_> GeneralAntilles: Makes it nice and warm.
Dec 07 14:40:18 <cosmo__> li-poly's don't have any memory effect, so charge as you wish. they start losing capacity when they leave factory (even if  not used)
Dec 07 14:40:37 <alterego> Heh, a USB ethernet adapter that supports "wake-on-lan" that sounds like a bit of a joke to me ^_^
Dec 07 14:40:50 <shackan> I'll use it a lot more then
Dec 07 14:40:54 <shackan> :)
Dec 07 14:41:01 <GeneralAntilles> Just leave it plugged in when you're at home.
Dec 07 14:41:09 <shackan> well, not always
Dec 07 14:41:20 <alterego> Yeah, mine's pluggin in when I'm at home/work.
Dec 07 14:41:35 <shackan> but it's easier than dragging your laptop ad night to bed just to read something
Dec 07 14:41:35 <alterego> It's only disconnected when I'm mobile :)
Dec 07 14:41:45 <lardman> cosmo__: ok, thanks
Dec 07 14:41:51 <GeneralAntilles> Then you always have it charged when you need it.
Dec 07 14:41:55 <alterego> Yup
Dec 07 14:41:56 <X-Fade_> OS2008 now has a nice environmental message when full. 'Please unplug charger' ;)
Dec 07 14:42:05 <alterego> Keepin' it topped up is a good idea.
Dec 07 14:42:11 <shackan> X-Fade_: don't even get GeneralAntilles started on that :)
Dec 07 14:42:12 <X-Fade_> Although, they display that _when_ your remove the charger..
Dec 07 14:42:16 <alterego> Hah
Dec 07 14:42:19 <felipec> dobey: heh, I meant I prefer scratchbox 2
Dec 07 14:42:30 <fysa> anyone get evince running on os2008 yet?
Dec 07 14:42:41 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, did you do the test to see if displaying that banner wastes more energy than having a fully charged unit plugged in? :)
Dec 07 14:42:41 <inz> X-Fade, it means you should disconnect the charger from the other end too
Dec 07 14:42:53 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Dec 07 14:42:54 <dobey> felipec: scratchbox 2?
Dec 07 14:42:55 <GeneralAntilles> Probably. :P
Dec 07 14:42:58 <X-Fade_> inz: yeah ;)
Dec 07 14:42:59 <shackan> inz: right
Dec 07 14:43:18 <X-Fade_> inz: They should just make chargers that don't use power when idle..
Dec 07 14:43:26 <X-Fade_> If they'd really care..
Dec 07 14:43:31 <lardman> ones with a switch you mean?
Dec 07 14:43:33 <alterego> X-Fade_, nokia chargers do that :P
Dec 07 14:43:36 <GeneralAntilles> My point exactly, X-Fade_!
Dec 07 14:43:42 <cosmo__> why don't they put power button to charger.. it's way too much effort to remove it from socket ;)
Dec 07 14:43:42 <X-Fade_> Just add some relais..
Dec 07 14:43:45 <felipec> dobey: yeap, very clean and easy, but I haven't tried a full Maemo SDK in there... maybe it's not ready yet for that
Dec 07 14:44:00 <alterego> The standard Nokia chargers use basically no power when they're not charging the device.
Dec 07 14:44:00 <GeneralAntilles> Vote, vote, vote! https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2285
Dec 07 14:44:16 <X-Fade_> alterego: I'm pretty sure they still use power..
Dec 07 14:44:22 <lardman> I'm off home to use dsp_dld
Dec 07 14:44:30 <lardman> felipec: thanks for your help
Dec 07 14:44:33 <lardman> bbl
Dec 07 14:44:34 <alterego> X-Fade_, they do. But it's a _very_ small amount. They might aswell be off.
Dec 07 14:44:34 <shackan> lardman: keep us posted :)
Dec 07 14:44:44 <inz> Why can't you unvote bugs
Dec 07 14:44:45 <inz> boring
Dec 07 14:44:53 <lardman> will do, will be back on once I get home & boot the build machine anyway
Dec 07 14:45:04 <X-Fade_> alterego: What is very small? A few Watts?
Dec 07 14:45:04 <inz> As in "please don't fix this bug"
Dec 07 14:45:05 <dobey> felipec: i don't know what "scratchbox 2" is :)
Dec 07 14:45:29 <alterego> X-Fade_, no, a few watts is lots.
Dec 07 14:45:29 <dobey> felipec: all i see anywhere is "1.0.8 apophis r4"
Dec 07 14:45:50 <alterego> X-Fade_, I've forgotten the figures. Hang on I'll get my plug monitor thingy.
Dec 07 14:45:51 <X-Fade_> alterego: Some of them feel warm even when not in use. They must use something..
Dec 07 14:46:15 <X-Fade_> alterego: Although the one I got with my N95 seems to behave better..
Dec 07 14:46:16 <alterego> X-Fade_, rubbish. Not the switch-mode power supplies that come with the tablets.
Dec 07 14:46:20 <alterego> And most phones ..
Dec 07 14:46:37 <alterego> They don't even take much juice when they're charging.
Dec 07 14:46:53 <X-Fade_> alterego: I have had lots of Nokia's and have lots of chargers everywhere ;)
Dec 07 14:46:57 <Screaming> Boy, that was nice! Swimming(well ok paddling) a couple of weeks b4 Xmas.
Dec 07 14:47:15 <alterego> Ah :)
Dec 07 14:47:28 <shackan> bedboi: hi
Dec 07 14:47:38 <bedboi> hi there shackan
Dec 07 14:48:05 <shackan> bedboi: do I read correctly you're at supélec ? congrats :D
Dec 07 14:48:13 <bedboi> shackan: yep
Dec 07 14:48:23 <shackan> cool
Dec 07 14:48:46 <bedboi> i'll go back to italy on December 20th
Dec 07 14:48:57 <shackan> I've read a lot about that place
Dec 07 14:48:58 <Screaming> supélec?
Dec 07 14:49:02 <alterego> Right, I'm ordering a USB A female to A female adapter. A USB ethernet adapter and a USB serial adapter.
Dec 07 14:49:03 <bedboi> supelec
Dec 07 14:49:12 <bedboi> Screaming: supelec actually
Dec 07 14:49:20 <alterego> Ooo .. I think I'll get an IrDA adapter too.
Dec 07 14:49:32 <bedboi> shackan: about what?
Dec 07 14:49:41 <Screaming> Ok goigle is my friend.
Dec 07 14:49:41 <shackan> bedboi: the school
Dec 07 14:50:01 <Spakman_> hello - how do I specify commands to run at boot?
Dec 07 14:50:14 <alterego> Spakman_, create a boot script
Dec 07 14:50:19 * alterego chuckles.
Dec 07 14:50:26 <Spakman_> :)
Dec 07 14:50:48 <shackan> bedboi: may I ask what you're doing there?
Dec 07 14:51:12 <bedboi> i'm doing research on time delay systems
Dec 07 14:51:15 <alterego> Spakman_, seriously, create a "custom" init.d script stick it in the /etc/init.d directory and symlink it to the appropriate rcX.d directory.
Dec 07 14:51:42 <alterego> Probably 'rc2.d' if you want to run commands when shutting down too a similar scheme can be employed.
Dec 07 14:52:11 <bedboi> shackan: actually it's a cross field, it's in between time-delay systems and networking
Dec 07 14:52:15 <felipec> dobey: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/sbox2
Dec 07 14:52:21 <felipec> dobey: it's a totally new beast
Dec 07 14:52:27 <alterego> Neat, a USB -> 2x PS/2 unit. That'd be cool, could plug in a keyboard _and_ a mouse.
Dec 07 14:52:39 <Spakman_> wicked, thanks alterego
Dec 07 14:52:43 <alterego> I'm going crazy ordering USB devices ..
Dec 07 14:52:50 <shackan> bedboi: cool, in a completely unrelated note, when I started using westwood congestion control at home I discovered your lab implemented it, cool stuff
Dec 07 14:53:17 <bedboi> yep, i'm currently workin' on it
Dec 07 14:53:18 <dobey> felipec: oh
Dec 07 14:53:44 <bedboi> shackan: we hope to release a gigabit version in some time
Dec 07 14:54:27 <alterego> Christmas is going to be very fun this year ^_^
Dec 07 14:54:40 <alterego> I'm gonna be plugging my N8X0's into each other.
Dec 07 14:55:11 <Screaming> allterego! Thats  incest.
Dec 07 14:56:00 <Screaming> s/ll/l damn the n800 vkb
Dec 07 14:56:02 <alterego> Heh
Dec 07 14:56:04 <shackan> bedboi: what are france and italy like to a researcher? (compared to italy)
Dec 07 14:56:12 <shackan> s/italy/USA/
Dec 07 14:56:13 <infobot> shackan meant: bedboi: what are france and USA like to a researcher? (compared to italy)
Dec 07 14:56:15 <dobey> felipec: i just want stuff to work :)
Dec 07 14:56:57 <bedboi> shackan: USA is more application oriented, whereas France is more theoretical oriented
Dec 07 14:57:11 <shackan> (I know it's non of my business but I'm actually interested)
Dec 07 14:57:17 <shackan> s/non/none/ damn
Dec 07 14:57:18 <bedboi> i'm ok with both of them, being both a theoretical guy and a developer
Dec 07 14:57:40 <felipec> dobey: depending on what stuff you are working on sb2 might be better... but I guess you should wait until it comes with the Maemo SDK... if that happens at all
Dec 07 14:57:45 <bedboi> the bad part of france are the fu**ing strikes
Dec 07 14:57:52 <X-Fade_> felipec: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2502
Dec 07 14:58:14 <dobey> felipec: i just spent so much time getting the current sbox stuff working :(
Dec 07 14:58:15 <shackan> uh? well usually italy is far worse in that regard (maybe not right now)
Dec 07 14:58:28 <bedboi> AH!
Dec 07 14:58:43 <bedboi> shackan: last time paris was totally stuck for 9 days
Dec 07 14:59:07 <melmoth> and it s going to be same wednesday apparently....
Dec 07 14:59:08 <shackan> bedboi: but I doesn't happen once a month like here
Dec 07 14:59:35 <alterego> Hmm .. If I get a decent power supply for my mini 4 port HUB. And a USB->Nokia charger connector. I can have powered USB and charger with only one wall plug.
Dec 07 14:59:38 <alterego> That'd be nice.
Dec 07 15:00:00 <shackan> alterego: powering the nokia via usb?
Dec 07 15:00:00 <bedboi> shackan: you are wrong. They announced the third strike in 2 months
Dec 07 15:00:08 <alterego> shackan, yeah.
Dec 07 15:00:19 <Screaming> Anyone know who devs XChat? It's great, shoots pidgin in the head, but I want cut and paste from the log  window.
Dec 07 15:00:28 <bedboi> alterego: italian strikes are "soft", French guys have french revolution in mind.
Dec 07 15:00:30 <shackan> alterego: n810 only, I assume?
Dec 07 15:00:34 <bedboi> a/alterego/shackan
Dec 07 15:00:35 <alterego> PSU->USB hub<->N8X0
Dec 07 15:00:57 <alterego> No, it'll work for the N800 too.
Dec 07 15:01:05 <felipec> X-Fade_: ew, you are right
Dec 07 15:01:16 <alterego> I'm looking for a USB->Nokia Power Plug
Dec 07 15:01:28 <shackan> bedboi: mmkay, all I know is that at least once in a month I couldn't go to class unless I used the car
Dec 07 15:01:46 <X-Fade_> felipec: Looks like yuv decoding. Color looks scaled and n+1 or something like that ;)
Dec 07 15:02:02 <alterego> Oooo .. A DVB USB dongle ..
Dec 07 15:02:14 <alterego> Watching DVB on my N800 would be neat.
Dec 07 15:02:21 <bedboi> shackan: it took like 4 hours to get from charles de gaulle to paris, so now you can figure out how strikes are bad in paris
Dec 07 15:02:35 <shackan> ouch
Dec 07 15:04:12 <felipec> X-Fade_: indeed
Dec 07 15:05:29 <alterego> Hah, "VoIP USB handset" ^_^
Dec 07 15:08:06 <alterego> Imagine plugging that into a tablet: http://www.maplin.co.uk/module.aspx?ModuleNo=49125&doy=7m12
Dec 07 15:09:23 <shackan> haha
Dec 07 15:09:44 <alterego> "Acccess WiFi networks from outer-space"
Dec 07 15:10:17 <alterego> "Boost your tablet's wireless range to the Orion Nebulae"
Dec 07 15:11:13 <Khertan> Grrrr one hour to make a methode to convert macroman to utf8 in 4D !
Dec 07 15:11:18 <Khertan> stupid language !
Dec 07 15:11:25 <wumpus> that's very useful for hitchhikers to the galaxy, I guess :P
Dec 07 15:11:34 <shackan> I'm already using a wireless network 200m from here, indoors, without problems
Dec 07 15:11:43 <X-Fade_> felipec: Change the url to 48 and see the effect in a different way..
Dec 07 15:12:01 <Screaming> Alterego: You might manage it if you sat in the middle of a the Arecibo radio telescope
Dec 07 15:12:14 <alterego> Hah
Dec 07 15:12:37 <alterego> Not seen one of these before: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/135027
Dec 07 15:12:53 <Screaming> Given 1000 years or so for a reply
Dec 07 15:12:54 <Khertan> bedboi > and don't mind to go to the sud of paris to the north ... 5 hours !!!
Dec 07 15:12:58 <Khertan> 3.5km
Dec 07 15:13:19 <bedboi> Khertan: yep, so cool.
Dec 07 15:13:24 <Khertan> if i know ... i go with my foot ...
Dec 07 15:13:35 <Khertan> RAPT ... Rentre Avec Tes Pieds !
Dec 07 15:13:37 <bedboi> Khertan: so prepare for 12 :)
Dec 07 15:13:39 <bedboi> ahahha
Dec 07 15:14:19 <alterego> Ooo, 2 port USB KVM, That'd be handy for multiple tablets.
Dec 07 15:14:48 <Khertan> (hum ... and it just a part of my travel ... i work in the south of Paris and live at the far north of it) (60km of public transport ... it s also why i ve make a python onboard editor :) )
Dec 07 15:17:18 <alterego> I think I'm gonna mock up a "tablet users christmas gift list" website :)
Dec 07 15:17:48 <alterego> Of course the N810 will be at the top ..
Dec 07 15:20:46 * alterego chuckles. "Portable USB floppy drive" ^)^]
Dec 07 15:20:57 <felipec> X-Fade_: yeap, I can see that too, I've filled internal bug reports for those
Dec 07 15:21:40 <X-Fade_> felipec: Ok, thanks ;)
Dec 07 15:21:50 <lardman> felipec: I see the deps for osso-dsp-loader are wrong, it wants rx-34-kernel-headers, but this doesn't exist and is probably called linux-kernel-headers
Dec 07 15:23:35 <lardman> or perhaps there should be a package called rx-34-kernel-headers rather than linux-kernel-headers
Dec 07 15:24:29 <felipec> lardman: nope, rx-34 is supposed to be internal nomenclature =/
Dec 07 15:24:49 <lardman> there are some packages in there that match rx-34-*
Dec 07 15:24:59 <lardman> and in fact the kernel source is one of them
Dec 07 15:25:01 <lardman> iirc
Dec 07 15:25:39 <Screaming> Kertan: pardon the swim break..problem abou ksgu/python is "Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break."
Dec 07 15:26:14 <Screaming> s/ksgu/kagu/
Dec 07 15:26:15 <infobot> Screaming meant: Kertan: pardon the swim break..problem abou kagu/python is "Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break."
Dec 07 15:27:50 <felipec> lardman: hmm, right, that needs to be fixed
Dec 07 15:28:08 <lardman> felipec: cool, just thought I'd let you know
Dec 07 15:31:23 <lardman> hmm :) after asking for the dsp_dld source, it now dawn on me that the info I needed is in the error message anyway
Dec 07 15:32:38 <lardman> http://maemo.pastebin.com/m369572a6 shows a "text" section exists in the module with a size of 0x2d, where might that come from?
Dec 07 15:34:14 <VRe> Is there nice way to save/load data from python so that bash script can accept it also (VALUE="what ever")? .. traditional settings file format ..
Dec 07 15:34:43 <shackan> lardman: you mean what's in that section? do you have the linker script?
Dec 07 15:35:46 <lardman> shackan: the dsp linker script? the .cmd file?
Dec 07 15:35:52 <kulve> lardman: why do you want the source for dsp_dld?
Dec 07 15:36:04 <lardman> kulve: I thought I wanted to add some more debugging comments to it
Dec 07 15:36:19 <lardman> kulve: it turns out I was just misreading the debugging output it had already produced
Dec 07 15:36:22 <kulve> have you tried if the "upstream" version works?
Dec 07 15:36:44 <melmoth> VRE http://pastebin.com/m245f8304
Dec 07 15:36:53 <lardman> kulve: yes, wouldn't compile, but we have the oss source anyway, was named something I didn't look for
Dec 07 15:37:16 <Khertan> Screaming > arf ... of course ... but python package are available on maemo repository ...
Dec 07 15:37:21 <melmoth> VRE you may want to get rid of lines 13 and 14
Dec 07 15:37:28 <lardman> "section text: could not find directive. placing it to default memory (DARAM)." was the message, I read it as "this is the section text: ..." rather than "section: text: this is the message"
Dec 07 15:37:39 <shackan> lardman: I don't know how they named it, but there usually is a script in ld(1) syntax which describes what goes where
Dec 07 15:38:23 <VRe> melmoth: thanks
Dec 07 15:38:30 <lardman> shackan: The dsp is a bit funny, you link an object file into the kernel, then strip the kernel out of the object file, then it's dynamically loaded at run-time via dsp_dld
Dec 07 15:38:46 <lardman> strip kernel out of the resultant object file that should read
Dec 07 15:39:10 <shackan> what the.. ?
Dec 07 15:39:20 <lardman> anyway "text" shouldn't exist, ".text" should
Dec 07 15:40:04 <melmoth> VRE you may have to add bit to hande quote in variable ,  i havent used that.
Dec 07 15:40:15 <shackan> yes, at least usually, maybe the dsp doesn't use the same naming :)
Dec 07 15:41:04 <VRe> melmoth: I think I'll will make quotes illegal in my input, simpler life :)
Dec 07 15:41:11 <shackan> lardman: can you list the sections? like readelf -S ?
Dec 07 15:41:16 <lardman> int memmgr_placetask() in dld_memmgr.c is the function in question
Dec 07 15:41:23 <lardman> shackan: probably, let me have a look
Dec 07 15:42:57 <alterego> Hmm .. What's the kernel source package name? I can't find it because I'm retarded.
Dec 07 15:43:27 <lardman> rx-34-something
Dec 07 15:43:42 <shackan> (44 for the 810)
Dec 07 15:43:51 <alterego> Okay ..
Dec 07 15:44:03 <lardman> hmm, think it's still called 34 in the repo though
Dec 07 15:44:09 <alterego> Okay
Dec 07 15:45:58 <lardman> shackan: can't find any docs, here are the names: http://maemo.pastebin.com/m55741901
Dec 07 15:47:09 * lardman is sure he's seen some docs somewhere...
Dec 07 15:47:13 <alterego> Heh .. If I get a high capacity laptop battery, I could power my mini HUB, along with all peripherals, _and_ my table with the USB to Nokia charger adapter.
Dec 07 15:47:15 <alterego> That would be nice.
Dec 07 15:47:43 <shackan> lardman: mm, I meant `readelf -S /lib/dsp/modules/ivorbisidec.o`
Dec 07 15:47:55 <lardman> shackan: I know, but it's not in elf format
Dec 07 15:48:05 <shackan> ah
Dec 07 15:48:27 <shackan> objdump -x then? :D
Dec 07 15:48:39 <lardman> or dis55 in my lingo
Dec 07 15:48:49 <shackan> ah
Dec 07 15:49:33 <lardman> good call though
Dec 07 15:49:35 <dobey> huh
Dec 07 15:49:42 <lardman> badly named piece of asm
Dec 07 15:49:54 <lardman> missed off the . in the section location
Dec 07 15:49:58 <lardman> thanks
Dec 07 15:52:18 <lardman> right, rebuilt again, will test after the pub :)
Dec 07 15:52:22 <lardman> bbl
Dec 07 15:53:30 <penguinbait> its pub time :)
Dec 07 15:53:41 <penguinbait> Guiness for all
Dec 07 15:53:57 <penguinbait> Nice tall draught
Dec 07 15:54:03 <penguinbait> Cheers!!
Dec 07 15:55:43 <guardian> i just had a crazy idea
Dec 07 15:55:59 <guardian> my old P3 box died with my apache , trac and subversion servers
Dec 07 15:56:16 <guardian> could a tablet be used as a personal server :D
Dec 07 15:56:18 <guardian> ?
Dec 07 15:57:07 <dragorn> technically yes
Dec 07 15:58:05 <lopz> re
Dec 07 15:58:39 <alterego> I'd get a USB IDE cable though ..
Dec 07 15:58:56 <alterego> That way you can have nice storage and you don't cane the flash.
Dec 07 15:59:09 <guardian> yep
Dec 07 16:00:46 <zoran> or some linksys nas?
Dec 07 16:06:46 <Vulc|Bleh> Does anyone know if midnight commander has been ported to 2008 yet?
Dec 07 16:07:16 <GeneralAntilles> The bore version should work fine.
Dec 07 16:07:18 <GeneralAntilles> *Bora
Dec 07 16:07:40 <Vulc|Bleh> Hmm.  Do you know where I'd find that? I was looking, though I'm probably braindead from not sleeping well.
Dec 07 16:07:56 <shackan> argh, maemo-statusbar-usbnet was removed from 4.0
Dec 07 16:08:50 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.komputika.net/maemo/index.php?dir=&file=mc_4.6.1-2_armel.deb
Dec 07 16:09:16 <Vulc|Bleh> Thanks
Dec 07 16:10:21 <Khertan> OUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN !!! Still not yet python binding for hildon-desktop ...... snif
Dec 07 16:12:13 <GeneralAntilles> Your google-fu is weak, young Padawan learner. :)
Dec 07 16:12:58 <Vulc|Bleh> Heh, yeah.
Dec 07 16:13:26 <Khertan> GeneralAntilles ?
Dec 07 16:13:36 <Vulc|Bleh> he was talking to me
Dec 07 16:13:37 <Vulc|Bleh> pretty sure.
Dec 07 16:13:57 <alterego> Khertan, migrate to Ruby-maemo :P
Dec 07 16:14:03 <alterego> Like I said the other day ..
Dec 07 16:14:08 <Khertan> alterego> grrrr
Dec 07 16:14:10 <Khertan> :)
Dec 07 16:14:23 <Khertan> Vulc|Bleh > i want to believe ....
Dec 07 16:14:38 <Vulc|Bleh> Do you now.  Athiesm has more perks.
Dec 07 16:14:39 <zoran> alterego, python is must_have
Dec 07 16:14:57 <alterego> python doesn't have the ability to make desktop applets yet ..
Dec 07 16:15:01 <Khertan> alterego > can we execute python in ruby ?
Dec 07 16:15:08 <alterego> Even though it's been in the SVN for months
Dec 07 16:15:19 <zoran> who needs desktop apps?  :)
Dec 07 16:15:23 <Khertan> alterego> ruby hasn't the ability to execute python code :)
Dec 07 16:15:38 <Khertan> zoran> i don't need the app, i need the binding to create it :)
Dec 07 16:15:42 <alterego> Khertan, that's a feature python code isn't as good as ruby code ..
Dec 07 16:15:44 <Vulc|Bleh> Meh, Quetoo needs to be ported to 2008 soon.
Dec 07 16:15:52 <Khertan> :)
Dec 07 16:16:04 <zoran> ah, python moves space crafts
Dec 07 16:16:16 <Screaming> Khertan: Yep "remote end closed connection" on every python related dowwload. Gonna give up on application manager and wget  everything myself
Dec 07 16:16:30 <Khertan> alterego > i know it s in the svn ... but i don't have the ability to compile it ... i get many errors anywhere
Dec 07 16:17:00 <Khertan> Screaming > strange .. i haven't this problem
Dec 07 16:17:55 <alterego> Khertan, bug the pymaemo developer/s
Dec 07 16:18:12 <alterego> It's really dumb it hasn't been incorporated into the package yet ..
Dec 07 16:18:36 <bedboi> so now n810 is in a lot of nokia shops (usa, spain, france), btw the discount codes do not work yet... any eta on this?
Dec 07 16:19:37 <Screaming> Bummer. Time for yet another reflash:-(. alerego: time for the Ruby python module"
Dec 07 16:19:37 <zoran> encrypted and hidden?
Dec 07 16:20:12 <alterego> I wouldn't use python on the device. Why would I want to add support for it?
Dec 07 16:20:26 <Khertan> alterego > it s not developped by pymaemo developers ... but by lucasr ... from nokia ...
Dec 07 16:20:27 * alterego continues shopping for tablet accessories.
Dec 07 16:20:44 <alterego> Khertan, that's no excuse ..
Dec 07 16:20:59 <alterego> It's up to the pymaemo developers, so bug them if you want a feature.
Dec 07 16:21:52 <Khertan> alterego > yes, but i don't like to boring open source developpers which create software for free ... :)
Dec 07 16:22:04 <zoran> ???
Dec 07 16:22:12 <GeneralAntilles> Why a reflas, Screaming?
Dec 07 16:22:30 <Khertan> Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break.
Dec 07 16:22:30 <GeneralAntilles> s/reflas/reflash
Dec 07 16:22:32 <Khertan> grrr
Dec 07 16:22:35 <alterego> Khertan, then you'll likely never get your pymaemo software improved.
Dec 07 16:23:00 <Khertan> two minutes before ... this bug tracker working ....:(
Dec 07 16:23:17 <Khertan> alterego > yes i know
Dec 07 16:23:35 <Screaming> GA I reckon I've probably hacked this one to death. No problem: I gotta copy on MMC.
Dec 07 16:24:22 <alterego> Khertan, well stop complaining about it if you're not prepared to do anything to improve your situation ..
Dec 07 16:24:59 <Khertan> alterego> in fact i ve post a mail on the mailing list ... and i ve contacted directly lucasr ...
Dec 07 16:25:16 <alterego> Why would lucas help?
Dec 07 16:25:22 <Khertan> who said that it ll be available this week ... it s why i m waiting
Dec 07 16:25:22 <alterego> He's not pymaemo ..
Dec 07 16:25:36 <Khertan> alterego> no but it's the developpers of this binding ...
Dec 07 16:25:53 <alterego> -_-
Dec 07 16:25:53 <Khertan> but yes once the tracker will be available again ... i ll post a report
Dec 07 16:26:05 <alterego> I can't find the kernel source.
Dec 07 16:26:09 <Khertan> s/it/he
Dec 07 16:26:17 <alterego> It doesn't appear to be anywhere in apt-cache O_O
Dec 07 16:28:53 <Khertan> alterego > does the binding for ruby are simple ?
Dec 07 16:29:06 <alterego> Khertan, extremely.
Dec 07 16:29:07 <Khertan> maybe i should do it myself :)
Dec 07 16:29:28 <alterego> Or you could compile the one that's already available ..
Dec 07 16:30:06 <Khertan> alterego > i ve tryed :)
Dec 07 16:30:17 <Khertan> but unsuccesfull
Dec 07 16:30:29 <alterego> Oh, well that's a shame. Why don't you try harder :P
Dec 07 16:31:04 <Khertan> because its a compile error
Dec 07 16:31:12 <Khertan> and don't understand why....
Dec 07 16:31:23 <zoran> error messaage?
Dec 07 16:31:40 <Khertan> it s related to a bug with qemu ...if i understand
Dec 07 16:31:48 <zoran> ah!
Dec 07 16:32:02 <alterego> Oh, it uses python to compile it.
Dec 07 16:32:17 <alterego> I posted a fix for that on the mailing list.
Dec 07 16:32:18 <Khertan> it s a stupid makefile ... !
Dec 07 16:32:26 <Khertan> i hate auto*
Dec 07 16:32:27 <alterego> Or you could use the eabi qemu package ..
Dec 07 16:35:24 <Khertan> yes once i ve understand how to install it...
Dec 07 16:36:15 <Khertan> and once i ve found how i can resolv my dns problem under the sdk vmware or how to install xephyr on the last ubuntu distribution
Dec 07 16:37:31 <Khertan> last commit on 2007-08-22 .... seems a bit abandonned
Dec 07 16:37:41 <X-Fade_> Hmm nice. I am now using my N95 as BT GPS for my N800 with Maemo Mapper ;)
Dec 07 16:39:04 <Khertan> there is more file for compilation than for the module ... lol
Dec 07 16:40:34 <L0cutus> anyone have ported 'pan' newsgroup reader to os2008 ?
Dec 07 16:40:39 <felipec_> alterego: is the kernel source supposed to be there? this probably should be on the public omap tree
Dec 07 16:41:01 <alterego> felipec_, yes. I've found it now.
Dec 07 16:41:05 <alterego> kernel-source-rx-34
Dec 07 16:42:25 <felipec_> alterego: hm, I don't have it in my Chinook =/
Dec 07 16:43:00 <alterego> Check your apt/sources.list file ..
Dec 07 16:43:11 <alterego> There's a kernel compilation how to on the maemo website.
Dec 07 16:46:54 <Khertan> bye ...
Dec 07 16:58:43 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 07 16:59:49 <L0cutus> ciao Jaffa (18.00 here ;)
Dec 07 17:00:08 <Jaffa> 16:58 here, was using UGT ;-)
Dec 07 17:00:55 <L0cutus> hehe
Dec 07 17:30:47 * alterego wonders how much storage he's gonna need to install emacs.
Dec 07 17:32:40 <zoran> hah, more than 20 Mb
Dec 07 17:32:55 <alterego> I meant compile actually ..
Dec 07 17:33:07 <alterego> I've got 400M left on my /scratchbox partition O_O
Dec 07 17:33:21 <zoran> really need that?
Dec 07 17:33:35 <alterego> I don't know :P
Dec 07 17:33:42 <alterego> I couldn't compile microb ..
Dec 07 17:33:46 <zoran> vi is fine for most people
Dec 07 17:33:51 <alterego> vi sucks.
Dec 07 17:33:56 <zoran> hm!
Dec 07 17:34:07 <alterego> I'd rather use nano ..
Dec 07 17:34:08 <Fatal> vi <3 <3
Dec 07 17:34:13 <Fatal> figures
Dec 07 17:34:36 <zoran> R.Stallman would like alterego
Dec 07 17:34:54 <alterego> R.Stallman worships me :P
Dec 07 17:35:20 <zoran> someone saw user manual for e51? none on nokia site
Dec 07 17:35:23 <alterego> He loves me and my rubyz
Dec 07 17:35:43 <zoran> ah, RS is in no relationship with love or hate
Dec 07 17:36:24 <zoran> he uses some argentinian distro and probably no graphics
Dec 07 17:36:24 <alterego> I'm gonna go late night accessory shopping.
Dec 07 17:36:42 <alterego> This is my shopping list: http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/christmas_list.html
Dec 07 17:36:50 <zoran> woodoo candle for n810?
Dec 07 17:38:12 <alterego> OABI compat?
Dec 07 17:38:17 <alterego> Interesting ..
Dec 07 17:39:50 <alterego> Hmm .. No MISC binary support either .. That's un expected.
Dec 07 17:42:36 <inz> I wonder whose WLAN I am using...
Dec 07 17:43:06 <alterego> Mine, get off :P
Dec 07 17:45:20 <inz> Unlikely
Dec 07 17:45:33 <inz> Oh well, the network I intended to use worked after all
Dec 07 17:45:42 <inz> I probably just misspelled the WPA key
Dec 07 17:46:03 <alterego> I'm glad I get cheap cell access. Gonna make the trip this weekend more fun.
Dec 07 17:46:40 <inz> I think I could get mobile intternets for 9,99 e/month, but it would about triple my phone bill...
Dec 07 17:47:12 <alterego> I just pay for a day of use.
Dec 07 17:47:18 <alterego> £1 per day
Dec 07 17:47:29 <alterego> Gives me up to 25M
Dec 07 17:51:41 <GeneralAntilles> What happens if you go over, alterego?
Dec 07 17:52:05 <inz> $$$?
Dec 07 17:52:10 <inz> Or, £££ in this case
Dec 07 17:55:58 <alterego> GeneralAntilles, it's pretty expensive, though not as bad as normal/
Dec 07 17:56:25 <alterego> Unfortunately it's not HSCDA
Dec 07 17:56:51 <alterego> Only GPRS/EDGE
Dec 07 17:56:59 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Dec 07 17:57:12 <GeneralAntilles> The key to using EDGE is to browse and do something else.
Dec 07 17:57:21 <GeneralAntilles> Start loading a website
Dec 07 17:57:29 <GeneralAntilles> then read a book for a little bit.
Dec 07 17:57:29 <hugolp> alterego:  thats the best mobile internet you can get in England?
Dec 07 17:57:30 <alterego> Really? Why's that?
Dec 07 17:57:37 <GeneralAntilles> Go back when the website's done.
Dec 07 17:57:50 <alterego> Oh, hah
Dec 07 17:57:59 <alterego> I thought you meant do something else that'll use the connection ;)
Dec 07 17:58:19 <hugolp> in Spain we get 3G for 1'6 euros day (no limit)
Dec 07 17:58:22 <alterego> hugolp, not really, but the UK data plans are pretty crap and that's a quite good deal seeing as I'm PAYG
Dec 07 17:58:56 <hugolp> unfortunatelly the company offering that is young and only has 3G in big cities, the rest is GPRS
Dec 07 17:59:02 <hugolp> but it should get better
Dec 07 17:59:23 <hugolp> I asumed that would be normal in England, as we allways get the good things years later
Dec 07 18:00:52 <alterego> Neah, mobile internet isn't really that big out of 3G
Dec 07 18:01:06 * lardman has never considered using the internet over his mobile because it's too bloody expensive
Dec 07 18:01:35 <alterego> lardman, those were my sentiments too. Until I found out about this cheap £1 for a day thing :)
Dec 07 18:02:04 * GeneralAntilles whistles quietly with his $20/mo unlimited 3G connection.
Dec 07 18:02:17 <hugolp> lardman:  1.6 euros day its almos what a phoneline broadband conection costs in Spain
Dec 07 18:02:24 <alterego> Yeah, I can get that for ~£16 p/m
Dec 07 18:02:26 <hugolp> GeneralAntilles:  where are you from?
Dec 07 18:02:33 <alterego> But I pay that for broadband already ..
Dec 07 18:02:34 <GeneralAntilles> Florida, USA. :)
Dec 07 18:02:40 <hugolp> bah...
Dec 07 18:02:42 <hugolp> XD
Dec 07 18:02:56 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, that should be: 8)
Dec 07 18:03:14 <alterego> I heard data plans in American were bad ..
Dec 07 18:03:16 <GeneralAntilles> Or are these sunglasses? B)
Dec 07 18:03:18 <alterego> That's pretty good.
Dec 07 18:03:31 <hugolp> Ive read some things about Japan that make me feel ashame
Dec 07 18:03:42 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, Japan has outrageous population density.
Dec 07 18:03:52 <GeneralAntilles> The government is pouring cash into the tech industry, too.
Dec 07 18:04:14 <GeneralAntilles> It's not as fluffy and wonderful as it sounds
Dec 07 18:04:45 <GeneralAntilles> and certainly isn't sustainable (from an economic, not environmental point of view).
Dec 07 18:04:59 <lardman> I guess it depends how much you pay for your phone line rental (assuming you pay monthly like I do), for expensive plans (e.g. >£30) you tend to get more Mb of downloads
Dec 07 18:05:42 <GeneralAntilles> I've got a shared family plan with the folks.
Dec 07 18:05:52 <alterego> Hmm .. why use a USB->RS232 dongle if the tablets already have an RS232 port ..
Dec 07 18:05:55 <GeneralAntilles> $50/mo or so for a pool of 500 shared rollover minutes.
Dec 07 18:05:56 <alterego> Well, serial port ..
Dec 07 18:06:05 <GeneralAntilles> then $5 per additional line
Dec 07 18:06:28 <hugolp> lardman:  taxes inclued I pay in my house about 35 euros for the broadband and 15 euros for the line rental
Dec 07 18:06:29 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: that works out ok
Dec 07 18:06:34 <GeneralAntilles> Because it's easier to find and buy one of those than manufacturing a custom connector?
Dec 07 18:06:44 <alterego> Yeah .. You're right there ;)
Dec 07 18:06:50 <lardman> hugolp: for broadband + line rental I pay ~£21/month
Dec 07 18:07:05 <hugolp> 21 pounds is like 30 pounds...
Dec 07 18:07:12 <hugolp> 30 eruos*
Dec 07 18:07:16 <alterego> Hah
Dec 07 18:07:19 <hugolp> Spain is expensive
Dec 07 18:07:24 <hugolp> in technology
Dec 07 18:07:26 <alterego> I was gonna say. You're loop back exchange rate is a bit high ;)
Dec 07 18:07:29 <GeneralAntilles> I've got an OBD-II reader hooked up to a bluetooth module for car diagnosis with my N800. :D
Dec 07 18:07:38 <lardman> I've got a decent deal as I'm near a loop unbundled exchange
Dec 07 18:07:45 <lardman> otehrwise I'd pay an extra £10
Dec 07 18:08:51 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: I was thinking of getting one of those, how much was the OBD2-BT thingy?
Dec 07 18:09:03 <GeneralAntilles> $130USD all told.
Dec 07 18:09:08 <lardman> not bad
Dec 07 18:09:20 <lardman> but here, it would probably be £130
Dec 07 18:09:27 <alterego> I don't really understand those things.
Dec 07 18:09:31 <alterego> And I don't drive ;)
Dec 07 18:09:54 <lardman> It sits there and listens on the On Board Diagnostics port, listens to ECU messages
Dec 07 18:10:23 <GeneralAntilles> The computer will throw flags when there's something wrong.
Dec 07 18:10:36 <GeneralAntilles> You can read those flags with an OBD-II reader
Dec 07 18:10:45 <GeneralAntilles> Use CarMan plus the bluetooth module
Dec 07 18:10:50 <GeneralAntilles> look up the codes on the internet.
Dec 07 18:11:00 <lardman> data are continually sent down the bus, including things like engine speed, throttle pos, and error codes
Dec 07 18:11:16 <alterego> Is there something wrong with your dashboard?
Dec 07 18:11:28 <GeneralAntilles> ...
Dec 07 18:11:35 <lardman> would have made some of my PhD work easier - to record the data and analyse the manoeuvres later
Dec 07 18:11:37 <GeneralAntilles> You get info from the O2 sensors and such, too.
Dec 07 18:11:50 <GeneralAntilles> alterego, my dashboard has about a dozen lights
Dec 07 18:12:00 <GeneralAntilles> maybe 5 of them are sometimes useful
Dec 07 18:12:00 <alterego> Interesting
Dec 07 18:12:04 <lardman> otherwise, if you want vehicle data you need to instrument the car yourself
Dec 07 18:12:12 <GeneralAntilles> and the rest of the flags get thrown into the generic "check engine" light.
Dec 07 18:12:30 <GeneralAntilles> So, if an O2 sensor fails
Dec 07 18:12:36 <GeneralAntilles> then the "check engine" light comes on.
Dec 07 18:12:41 <GeneralAntilles> Which doesn't tell me anything
Dec 07 18:13:09 <GeneralAntilles> With the OBD-II scanner, I can read the flags and see that there's something amiss with the O2 sensor (and which one, as there are often several).
Dec 07 18:13:16 <GeneralAntilles> Saves me a trip to the mechanic. :)
Dec 07 18:14:18 <lardman> can you write to the obd bus? override the throttle position for example?
Dec 07 18:14:34 <GeneralAntilles> Not with Carman
Dec 07 18:14:43 <GeneralAntilles> Doubtful with anything else.
Dec 07 18:15:02 <lardman> that would be useful, otherwise you need an ecu replacement
Dec 07 18:15:43 <lardman> from a university testing perspective at least
Dec 07 18:16:09 <GeneralAntilles> I don't have the cash for tuning of any sort. :P
Dec 07 18:16:44 <lardman> GeneralAntilles: ah no, not tuning, research
Dec 07 18:16:53 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I know.
Dec 07 18:17:00 <GeneralAntilles> But I don't have any reason to be doing research, either.
Dec 07 18:17:05 <lardman> lol
Dec 07 18:17:08 <lardman> nor do I anymore
Dec 07 18:17:40 <lardman> well the vorbis dsp task runs, and complains that the ogg file I'm sending it is "Input does not appear to be an Ogg bitstream."
Dec 07 18:17:50 <alterego> Interesting the kernel already has USB ethernet support :)
Dec 07 18:18:21 <lardman> they compiled in a number of useful modules (from looking at the initial dmesg output)
Dec 07 18:19:10 <alterego> Not USB_SERIAL ..
Dec 07 18:19:20 <lardman> a finite number ;)
Dec 07 18:27:33 <lardman> I'd like to use the address of a structure which is declared globally in one file like so: struct dsptask task_ivorbisidec =
Dec 07 18:27:33 <lardman> {
Dec 07 18:27:41 <lardman> blah }
Dec 07 18:28:06 <lardman> but even if I do: extern struct dsptask task_ivorbisidec; I'm getting bus errors
Dec 07 18:28:19 <lardman> Is this expected, or just a curiosity of the DSP?
Dec 07 18:31:02 * alterego plays around with encrypted FS support for his tablet.
Dec 07 18:33:29 <bedboi> alterego: using fuse?
Dec 07 18:33:37 <alterego> No, CRYPTOLOOP
Dec 07 18:33:48 <alterego> I'm doing fuse too ..
Dec 07 18:34:25 <shackan> alterego: how do I enable it tough?
Dec 07 18:34:42 <alterego> You compile the module like me :P
Dec 07 18:34:51 <alterego> Or wait for me to release a package.
Dec 07 18:35:42 <alterego> I want to integrate with the system properly. So it prompts for a password when mounting the device and it shows up in the file manager properly.
Dec 07 18:35:46 <alterego> But we'll see.
Dec 07 18:36:17 <shackan> alterego: sorry, I mean the usb networking
Dec 07 18:36:43 <alterego> Oh, you need to first enable usb host mode, then buy a USB->Ethernet adapter.
Dec 07 18:37:02 <alterego> Other than that I don't know. As I've not got a USB ethernet adapter yet.
Dec 07 18:37:06 <shackan> uh? can't use the usb cable as is?
Dec 07 18:37:27 <alterego> How would you plug it into an ethernet port?
Dec 07 18:37:32 <alterego> O_O
Dec 07 18:37:49 <alterego> If you're talking about the USB networking mode .. Then that's in there too.
Dec 07 18:37:50 <shackan> I don't want to, I've got plenty of usb ports (and my only ethernet is taken)
Dec 07 18:38:08 <alterego> search for g_ether shackan
Dec 07 18:38:40 <alterego> The apropriate modules are already installed by default in OS2008. So it's just a matter of setting it up and configuring it.
Dec 07 18:38:51 <alterego> You don't need to be in host mode either I don't think.
Dec 07 18:39:25 <shackan> alright, I hoped there was a panel applet to do that, silly me
Dec 07 18:39:46 <alterego> Well, I plan on writing one if that's of any help ;)
Dec 07 18:40:12 <shackan> totally :)
Dec 07 18:44:52 <shackan> ouch, it's fugly to set up
Dec 07 18:52:12 <Vulc|Bleh> Does anyone know if mplayer works on 2008 yet?
Dec 07 18:52:44 <alterego> It's in the repository.
Dec 07 18:52:55 <Vulc|Bleh> Did not see it, do you know which repo?
Dec 07 18:53:07 <alterego> The repository.
Dec 07 18:53:22 <alterego> I don't know.
Dec 07 18:53:26 <alterego> It's in one of them.
Dec 07 18:53:29 <lardman> kulve: when you were suffering from poll errors, did they produce bus errors in your arm-side code?
Dec 07 18:53:44 <lardman> Vulc|Bleh: yes it does
Dec 07 18:55:07 <kulve> lardman: iirc, no
Dec 07 18:55:34 <lardman> kulve: I see a poll error message then I get a bus error
Dec 07 18:55:56 <lardman> kulve: anyway, perhaps they're not related
Dec 07 18:58:25 <kulve> did you tried poll disabling?
Dec 07 18:59:04 <lardman> kulve: The error occurs before hand, it appears that my code doesn't correctly kill itself it this happens
Dec 07 18:59:06 <kulve> poll_disable(task)
Dec 07 18:59:16 <kulve> ok
Dec 07 18:59:38 <lardman> kulve: yeah, I should really sort it out so it returns rather than waiting to be killed
Dec 07 19:12:53 <K`zan> Wonder if the n800 will drive a usb->serial converter?  Anyone know?
Dec 07 19:13:21 <K`zan> Would be nice for some ham radio apps :-)
Dec 07 19:13:47 <alterego> K`zan, it should do yes.
Dec 07 19:14:05 <alterego> One of the indt guys I believe has had luck without having to use an external power supply.
Dec 07 19:15:08 <JZA> hi anyone can help me out solving a problem with ncurses
Dec 07 19:15:25 <JZA> I am trying to install a different ncurses-bin
Dec 07 19:15:49 <JZA> I got the following output
Dec 07 19:15:50 <JZA> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258039
Dec 07 19:16:24 * alterego burps.
Dec 07 19:20:22 <JZA> anyone here?
Dec 07 19:20:48 <lardman> can you force the install somehow?
Dec 07 19:21:06 <JZA> lardman: well if you see the output I got a problem with a program called clear
Dec 07 19:21:13 <lardman> kulve: do you know how to return an error to the arm-side from the dsp via the ioctls?
Dec 07 19:21:32 <JZA> I am not sure what clear is or where does it depends on it
Dec 07 19:21:32 <lardman> is there a --force switch (or similar) for dpkg?
Dec 07 19:21:40 <JZA> lardman: I guess
Dec 07 19:21:52 <JZA> unfortunately I dont use debian and maemo doesn't has a man
Dec 07 19:21:56 <JZA> but google help
Dec 07 19:23:03 <JZA> itseems is --force-XXX
Dec 07 19:23:57 <K`zan> alterego: Thanks, that is exciting, now to find adapers for mini-usb-> regular.  May have to make them...
Dec 07 19:25:33 <Screaming> Cool, the backup/restore apps thingy on 2008 seems to make life almost easy.
Dec 07 19:25:51 <lardman> dpkg install --force-overwrite blah.deb
Dec 07 19:26:07 <lardman> or first of all: dpkg install --force blah.deb
Dec 07 19:26:39 <lardman> JZA: that's what I'd try anyway
Dec 07 19:27:40 <JZA> lardman: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258056
Dec 07 19:27:52 <JZA> same problem
Dec 07 19:29:20 <alterego> K`zan, I'm just buying an A-female to A-female adapter.
Dec 07 19:29:26 <alterego> They're about £5
Dec 07 19:29:34 <lardman> I wonder why you get: "#
Dec 07 19:29:34 <lardman> mv: cannot rename '/usr/bin/clear': No such file or directory
Dec 07 19:29:39 <lardman> oop
Dec 07 19:29:43 <lardman> copy and paste errors ;)
Dec 07 19:30:02 <lardman> but then also get:  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/clear', which is also in package busybox
Dec 07 19:30:24 <lardman> JZA: I don;t know, sorry. Debian packaging isn't really my forte
Dec 07 19:30:52 <JZA> well the problem really is here
Dec 07 19:30:59 <JZA> catching the return
Dec 07 19:31:02 <JZA> is there a log for dpkg
Dec 07 19:31:20 <JZA> lardman: it says: post-removal script returned error exit status 2
Dec 07 19:31:26 <geoffeg> Any information on embedded the mozilla rendering engine in my own application?
Dec 07 19:31:31 <JZA> is there a way of knowing more info about why it failed
Dec 07 19:32:09 <lardman> there may be a -V switch to make it more verbose, I don't know though
Dec 07 19:32:13 <lardman> supper time
Dec 07 19:32:21 <geoffeg> stop, supper time
Dec 07 19:37:13 <alterego> geoffeg, look into gtkmozembed
Dec 07 19:37:24 <geoffeg> will do
Dec 07 19:38:56 <geoffeg> alterego: i was mostly wondering if the moz engine on the device had the required includes and such to be extensible
Dec 07 19:39:49 <alterego> It has the library.
Dec 07 19:39:57 <alterego> But you need to compile the dev package.
Dec 07 19:40:05 <alterego> As it's not in the maemo repository.
Dec 07 19:41:21 <geoffeg> so do i need to build the dev packages manually?
Dec 07 19:42:25 <geoffeg> i'm really trying to figure out how i want to do this.. I want to build a better RSS reader.. In some ways I think it'd be very simple to create a web-based RSS reader that uses perl and a simple perl web server on the device. The nokia tablets already have perl and it wouldn't take much perl to make a good RSS reader..
Dec 07 19:42:46 <geoffeg> I've already got liferea and frothing compiled and mostly working but they use gtkhtml..
Dec 07 19:44:27 <alterego> There is no Perl Gtk/Hildon library for maemo.
Dec 07 19:44:47 <geoffeg> right, but i wouldn't need it.. the interface to the RSS reader would be the web browser.
Dec 07 19:45:02 <geoffeg> and since most of RSS is viewing HTML.. why not use the web browser?
Dec 07 19:45:21 <alterego> So why would you need to embed gtk into an app?
Dec 07 19:45:30 <alterego> You're not doing that at all ..
Dec 07 19:45:57 <geoffeg> alterego: well that's what i'm trying to figure out.. do i go with the perl/web browser approach or do i get liferea working better?
Dec 07 19:46:32 <geoffeg> the liferea port to maemo needs some interface changes, integration with mozilla, etc
Dec 07 19:47:47 * alterego contemplates getting a 160G 2.5" USB drive.
Dec 07 19:48:10 <alterego> I could take all my work around with me and use it in whatever machine I happen to be infront of ..
Dec 07 19:48:14 <alterego> It'd be neat.
Dec 07 19:48:35 <geoffeg> alterego: i've got a 40GB 2.5 USB drive, quite handy for bigger files
Dec 07 19:48:52 <geoffeg> I use it with my laptop.. all my games are on it
Dec 07 19:48:57 <alterego> Cool.
Dec 07 19:49:08 <alterego> Have you used it with the tablet?
Dec 07 19:49:25 <geoffeg> alterego: no, i haven't done any of the work required to power a USB device off the tablet
Dec 07 19:49:44 <geoffeg> alterego: i've got an 8GB SD card  in my n800, still haven't come close to filling it up
Dec 07 19:50:00 <alterego> I guess you don't have much music on there.
Dec 07 19:50:27 <geoffeg> alterego: nope, got my ipod
Dec 07 19:50:58 * alterego spits
Dec 07 19:51:09 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Dec 07 19:51:10 <alterego> Bloody iCrap :P
Dec 07 19:51:18 <GeneralAntilles> I want my 128GB SD cards.
Dec 07 19:51:43 <geoffeg> alterego: it works fine for me.. and the n800 has some sound issues when i use it in my car
Dec 07 19:52:05 <alterego> pfft
Dec 07 19:52:35 <GeneralAntilles> Seriously, alterego. It's just an MP3 player. ;)
Dec 07 19:53:14 <alterego> Damn expensive MP3 player that's prone to breaking and the only reason it's sold so well is because people are fashion following freaks :P
Dec 07 19:53:32 <geoffeg> alterego: my ipod has never broken or had a problem..
Dec 07 19:53:37 <geoffeg> but yes, i'm fashionable, i bought the black one
Dec 07 19:53:40 <geoffeg> I'M SO COOL!
Dec 07 19:53:46 <K`zan> alterego: That, for some reason, makes sense :).
Dec 07 19:53:48 <alterego> And don't get me started on the locked down interface and craptunes ..
Dec 07 19:53:53 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, neither have the 6 my family has had since the original 10GB.
Dec 07 19:54:49 <geoffeg> GeneralAntilles: the original was 5GB :)
Dec 07 19:54:54 <alterego> Hmm .. I new I should have bought that 6300 yesterday.
Dec 07 19:55:02 <alterego> I could be playing with it right now :(
Dec 07 19:55:03 <GeneralAntilles> The original-10GB
Dec 07 19:55:25 <geoffeg> alterego: i want an n95 :)
Dec 07 19:55:31 <GeneralAntilles> Not the original iPod, but the first 10GB model.
Dec 07 19:55:35 <Vulc|Bleh> I did not buy my ipod to be cool, or for fasion, etc.  I bought it because it actually worked, unlike my Zen Vision.
Dec 07 19:55:44 <alterego> geoffeg, I'm suprised you don't want an iCrap/Phone
Dec 07 19:56:10 <Vulc|Bleh> iPoo'd.
Dec 07 19:56:17 <geoffeg> alterego: d00d! :)
Dec 07 19:56:26 <alterego> Excuse you Vulc|Bleh :P
Dec 07 19:56:26 <rip__> there is #iphone
Dec 07 19:56:27 <rip__> :P
Dec 07 19:56:32 <rip__> to chat about how awesome they are
Dec 07 19:56:34 <rip__> :P
Dec 07 19:56:35 <kulve> lardman|food: by returnin non-zero? I.e. MBCMD_EID_*?
Dec 07 19:58:16 <lardman> kulve: yes, or by calling cmderr()
Dec 07 19:58:50 <GeneralAntilles> Personally, I think Apple will end up doing a lot of good to spur the competition in the cellular market.
Dec 07 19:59:20 <kulve> lardman: hmm.. ok.
Dec 07 20:00:02 <lardman> what I really need is a way for my vorbis thread, if there's an error, to close the task down
Dec 07 20:00:16 <Screaming> Thnx for advice re: python/kagu. Clearly it was my hackery cos they both came in fine. Someone ought to fix the fact you have to install gzip from Maemo Chinook to get python. And the fact you gotta the install python-cairo to get kagu. Its not newbie-obvious I guess.
Dec 07 20:00:40 <lardman> either by returning some value to the arm-side that lets it know to close the device, or by calling some function to close the task, and then the arm-side will cause an error trying to write/read from the device file
Dec 07 20:01:04 <GeneralAntilles> bz2 you mean, right, Screaming?
Dec 07 20:01:53 <Screaming> GA: Sorry, quite right - bzip2
Dec 07 20:02:50 <GeneralAntilles> and it's from Bora, extras, no?
Dec 07 20:03:05 <GeneralAntilles> Everything should go 100% if you have both Chinook and Bora extras.
Dec 07 20:12:22 <kulve> lardman: Want to try again installing the ogg-support 0.4?
Dec 07 20:12:40 <kulve> lardman: same url, hopefully nothing caches it on your end..
Dec 07 20:13:04 <lardman> kulve: let me see if I have the url in my n800 - I've moved location
Dec 07 20:13:47 <lardman> installing now
Dec 07 20:14:37 <kulve> thx
Dec 07 20:14:48 <lardman> the moment of truth.....
Dec 07 20:15:16 <lardman> works :)
Dec 07 20:15:33 <kulve> Great
Dec 07 20:15:44 <kulve> but no id3/whatever metainfo on the oggs?
Dec 07 20:15:45 <lardman> no icon in the filemanager tho
Dec 07 20:15:49 <kulve> oh?
Dec 07 20:16:00 <kulve> ah, yes
Dec 07 20:16:03 <kulve> no icon
Dec 07 20:16:19 <lardman> no, just name & duration
Dec 07 20:16:23 <kulve> those just need to be renamed
Dec 07 20:16:41 <kulve> it does know how to get the meta info too..
Dec 07 20:16:53 <kulve> it just don't even try now
Dec 07 20:17:26 <lardman> it may be that my clips have no data
Dec 07 20:17:37 <lardman> they are just test samples for the dsp task
Dec 07 20:17:40 <kulve> no, I don't see them either atm
Dec 07 20:18:06 <lardman> you should add an icon though, makes it easier to see the file
Dec 07 20:18:07 <lardman> s
Dec 07 20:18:14 <kulve> surew
Dec 07 20:18:16 <kulve> -w
Dec 07 20:18:25 <lardman> well done though :)
Dec 07 20:18:39 <kulve> the icon just need to be named in the same way as the mime type and now it doesn't
Dec 07 20:18:57 <lardman> why were you using libvorbisdec rather than libivorbisidec?
Dec 07 20:19:09 <lardman> i.e. fp vs fixed point
Dec 07 20:19:10 <Screaming> GeneralAntilles: The bzip2 one should go ok if you have the repos. The python-cairo may well be a missing dependency in the .deb cos I had to install it manually to get kagu going.
Dec 07 20:19:24 <kulve> I though to include them both without thinking that the device could choose the wrong one..
Dec 07 20:19:32 <kulve> and ofc it does..
Dec 07 20:20:03 <kulve> the reason was that I though that if somebody has a hardcoded pipeline using the fp version it would work too..
Dec 07 20:20:09 <lardman> tremor is faster for vfp or non-vfp enabled machines, little point in using the floating point code
Dec 07 20:20:13 <kulve> sure
Dec 07 20:20:25 <lardman> ah, I see
Dec 07 20:21:11 <kulve> jmspeex: btw: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/05/13/ogg-support-02-speex/
Dec 07 20:21:38 <kulve> jmspeex: I made some "benchmarking" when I added the speex, but those can be wrong too..
Dec 07 20:24:14 <alterego> I wonder how easy it would be to get DVB on my tablet.
Dec 07 20:24:23 <alterego> I think I'll buy a USB DVB dongle tomorrow and see.
Dec 07 20:24:42 <shackan> that would rock
Dec 07 20:24:47 <shackan> how much are they?
Dec 07 20:25:03 <kulve> alterego: what about scaling the video? Don't it take too much cpu power?
Dec 07 20:25:11 <alterego> About 40 USD me thinks.
Dec 07 20:25:16 <lardman> have a look at the openzaurus/angstrom lot
Dec 07 20:25:27 <alterego> kulve, no idea. I'll have to do some tests.
Dec 07 20:25:28 <lardman> www.zaurususergroup.com
Dec 07 20:25:30 <shackan> mmm, and even less in €
Dec 07 20:25:34 <alterego> It's just an mpeg stream ..
Dec 07 20:25:51 <kulve> alterego: yes, with so high bitrate that the tablet will choke on it
Dec 07 20:26:09 <alterego> pfft
Dec 07 20:26:18 <alterego> WEll see
Dec 07 20:26:24 <kulve> you can try the same by loading the stream from a file..
Dec 07 20:27:36 <lardman> e.g. http://www.oesf.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=18349&hl=dvb
Dec 07 20:30:36 <lardman> hmm, I thought someone had got one to work
Dec 07 20:31:00 <lardman> I'll ask CoreDump at some point over the weekend
Dec 07 20:32:39 <alterego> Cool
Dec 07 20:32:43 <shackan> I tried a dvb stick from a former housemate of mine once, worked fine in kaffeine (which apparently was the only program which could tune to different channels)
Dec 07 20:32:55 <shackan> I needed to download a piece of firmware tough
Dec 07 20:33:04 <alterego> Well, I'm gonna get one regardless.
Dec 07 20:33:13 <alterego> Just hope it's supported by Linux.
Dec 07 20:33:23 <shackan> (of course that's on a laptop, tablets didn't exists at the time)
Dec 07 20:33:31 <alterego> Lucky I own an internet tablet. I Can check when I'm in the store ;)
Dec 07 20:33:59 <alterego> If it doesn't work with the tablet. It doesn't matter. I'll just use it with meh laptop.
Dec 07 20:34:05 <shackan> uhm, how will you attach it?
Dec 07 20:34:34 <alterego> I'll plug it into my mini powered hub
Dec 07 20:34:47 <shackan> oh
Dec 07 20:34:51 <alterego> I'm presuming it needs power. If not I'll just plug it directly in.
Dec 07 20:35:37 <shackan> so you made/bought a cable? the default one is male on the "big" end
Dec 07 20:36:00 <alterego> No, I made and bought a female to female adapter
Dec 07 20:36:14 <alterego> A custom cable would be pointless.
Dec 07 20:36:18 <shackan> I see
Dec 07 20:36:51 <alterego> This way I just need one cable for all USB stuff
Dec 07 20:39:39 <alterego> Well, tomorrow I'm gonna buy a USB charger, USB to 10/100/1000 ethernet adapter and a DVB USB stick.
Dec 07 20:39:48 <alterego> That'll keep me occupied for a while.
Dec 07 20:41:15 <GeneralAntilles> DVB on the tablets?
Dec 07 20:41:23 <GeneralAntilles> That seems highly unlikely to work.
Dec 07 20:47:47 <alterego> "In early 2000, we were approached by Nokia with a proposal for a new standard Linux DVB API" .. What a coincidence ^_^
Dec 07 20:49:22 <GeneralAntilles> What format is DVB?
Dec 07 20:49:37 <alterego> MPEG2
Dec 07 20:51:56 <GeneralAntilles> and you plan to decode that on a tablet?
Dec 07 20:52:36 <alterego> I expect mplayer to
Dec 07 20:52:56 <GeneralAntilles> What sort of bitrates are you talking about?
Dec 07 20:53:39 <alterego> I don't know, I'm reading up on it now
Dec 07 20:54:00 <alterego> I want one for my laptop anyhow. Playing around with it on the tablet is just a gimic :P
Dec 07 20:54:18 <alterego> Depending on it's performance, I might continue it and create a maemo-tv project.
Dec 07 20:55:07 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=105771#post105771
Dec 07 20:55:11 <GeneralAntilles> Cheapy for any Canadians
Dec 07 20:56:24 <alterego> +
Dec 07 21:01:44 <lardman|afk> alterego: You should be able to find a list of compatible chipsets, also from reading, some seem to not output mpeg2 but need to be encoded by the softeare on the PC
Dec 07 21:02:30 <alterego> Yes, I know.
Dec 07 21:03:01 <alterego> That's why I said it's handy having a tablet. I can just go to the shop tomorrow, and if I find a good one check it up on the net whilst in the shop ..
Dec 07 21:12:42 <GeneralAntilles> I love doing that when shopping for movies or games.
Dec 07 21:12:49 <GeneralAntilles> See something interesting, just pull up the amazon review.
Dec 07 21:14:45 <alterego> :)
Dec 07 21:14:47 <alterego> Yup
Dec 07 21:16:32 <GeneralAntilles> Love it at the grocery store, too.
Dec 07 21:16:48 <GeneralAntilles> "I want to make meatloaf tonight"
Dec 07 21:16:56 <GeneralAntilles> Pull up a recipe listing off google.
Dec 07 21:17:45 <alterego> Yeah, I like doing that too.
Dec 07 21:17:57 <alterego> I made a really nice thai curry the other week. All thanks to the tablet.
Dec 07 21:18:04 <lopz> re
Dec 07 21:18:34 <alterego> Just walking around the super market and thought, hmm .. I fancy making a thai curry. So I got out my N800 and found a nice recipe and got the ingredients :)
Dec 07 21:18:57 <shackan> alterego: unfortunately most of us just use the tablets as bulky media players most of the time
Dec 07 21:19:16 <alterego> I was listening to Radiohead at the same time if that's what you mean ;)
Dec 07 21:19:39 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Dec 07 21:19:53 <GeneralAntilles> My N800 almost makes air travel fun!
Dec 07 21:19:56 <alterego> They are genius devices ..
Dec 07 21:20:13 <sikahakki> I notice that os2007 got quite old kernel, is there more recent images 2.6.20 -> ? or can user compile own kernel?
Dec 07 21:20:31 <GeneralAntilles> The seat and the tray table seem to combine into the least comfortable position for me, though.
Dec 07 21:20:38 <alterego> Now, if I can find a cheap USB charger for my N800, I can use the powered mini hub and charge my tablet at the same time ..
Dec 07 21:20:46 <GeneralAntilles> Set my N800 down on the tray and I have shooting neck pain within 30 minutes.
Dec 07 21:20:51 <alterego> All through one wall plug/car plug
Dec 07 21:21:13 <alterego> Jeez.
Dec 07 21:21:52 <shackan> alterego: what I mean is that we're not blessed with everywhere connectivity
Dec 07 21:22:33 <alterego> I wouldn't say most shackan, you're probably one of the only ones :P
Dec 07 21:23:10 <shackan> mmm
Dec 07 21:23:20 <celesteh> i got a very cheap mini-usb->nokia adaptor.  I can stick it on the end of a miniusb cable
Dec 07 21:23:31 <GeneralAntilles> I am, shackan. :)
Dec 07 21:23:34 <celesteh> i don't even have a charger for my n800 that works in my current country
Dec 07 21:51:25 <geoffeg> Wasn't that fun!
Dec 07 21:52:38 <GeneralAntilles> Let's do it again!
Dec 07 21:52:46 <ds3> anyone think more price drops are expected for the N800?
Dec 07 21:53:01 <geoffeg> i wouldn't think so, the thing is already pretty cheap
Dec 07 21:55:08 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, ds3, highly unlikely.
Dec 07 21:55:17 <GeneralAntilles> Especially when you consider the 770's price trends.
Dec 07 21:57:27 <ds3> guess it is time to strike... running out of memory on the 770 is getting old ;)
Dec 07 21:58:13 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, you have no idea how much better the N800 is than the 770.
Dec 07 21:59:11 <ds3> GeneralAntilles: 2 things that immediately would be good for me - real SD slots, more memory; the Google ad crap is a big minus though... anything I miss? (I know about the faster CPU, radio and camera)
Dec 07 21:59:21 <alterego> Hmm, everytime ruby raises an exception it crashes hildon desktop ^_^
Dec 07 21:59:27 <alterego> I'm gonna have to fix that me thinks ..
Dec 07 21:59:39 <glass_> hehe
Dec 07 21:59:51 <glass_> well it would force devs to catch exceptions no?-)
Dec 07 21:59:52 <alterego> Maybe make it pop up a dialog with the exception details in it. That would be useful.
Dec 07 21:59:57 <glass_> not too friendly tho
Dec 07 22:00:03 <glass_> yeah that sounds good
Dec 07 22:00:04 <GeneralAntilles> Google ad crap?
Dec 07 22:00:28 <alterego> It wouldn't be _so_ bad, but when hildon desktop starts it loses all the other home plugins ..
Dec 07 22:00:30 <glass_> alterego: i just wish all j2me vm's did that
Dec 07 22:00:30 <ds3> yeah, the units I have seen come up with a little toolbar by default that cycles through ads
Dec 07 22:00:39 <alterego> Hah
Dec 07 22:00:44 <GeneralAntilles> WTF are you talking about, ds3?
Dec 07 22:01:10 <GeneralAntilles> The Web shortcut applet?
Dec 07 22:01:20 <ds3> letme see if I can find a reference to it; I helped a coworker setup theirs
Dec 07 22:01:31 <ds3> GeneralAntilles: does that thing cycle between different things?
Dec 07 22:01:51 <GeneralAntilles> Don't think so
Dec 07 22:02:05 <GeneralAntilles> It was setup for the Tableteer site when I first turned mine on
Dec 07 22:02:09 <GeneralAntilles> the 770 had the same thing.
Dec 07 22:02:13 <GeneralAntilles> I disabled it.
Dec 07 22:02:21 <ds3> let me find a picture
Dec 07 22:03:55 <alterego> It's static
Dec 07 22:04:34 <GeneralAntilles> and you have the same thing on your 770.
Dec 07 22:04:52 <ds3> no, this one cycles through different things
Dec 07 22:05:08 <GeneralAntilles> I'm certain I can't imagine what that would be.
Dec 07 22:05:14 <GeneralAntilles> I've used my N800 every day for 11 months.
Dec 07 22:05:29 <ds3> i wonder if it is a recent thing they tacked on
Dec 07 22:05:47 <GeneralAntilles> Also doubtful
Dec 07 22:05:47 <ds3> I can leave a wifi connection on and watch it cycle between different ads
Dec 07 22:06:00 <alterego> What OS version?
Dec 07 22:06:00 <GeneralAntilles> as I've used every revision of the N800 firmware ever publicly released.
Dec 07 22:06:18 <ds3> alterego: whatever buy.com is shipping
Dec 07 22:06:39 <GeneralAntilles> Is it on the desktop?
Dec 07 22:06:45 <ds3> yes
Dec 07 22:07:16 <GeneralAntilles> Then it's either the Tableteer or the Web shortcut applet.
Dec 07 22:07:25 <GeneralAntilles> Both of which I disabled the day I got the device
Dec 07 22:07:30 <alterego> Me too ..
Dec 07 22:07:33 <GeneralAntilles> and both of which you have on your 770.
Dec 07 22:07:45 <alterego> I only have the clock and my own ruby home applet on the desktop.
Dec 07 22:08:01 <ds3> it looks like the tableteer thing but it was cycling between different things
Dec 07 22:08:10 <alterego> reset
Dec 07 22:08:13 <ds3> I found the tableteer on the 770
Dec 07 22:08:16 * alterego oopsies.
Dec 07 22:08:23 <ds3> i wish i still have the 800 I had access to
Dec 07 22:08:30 <GeneralAntilles> But, seriously, ds3, you can turn it off
Dec 07 22:08:36 <ds3> 'k
Dec 07 22:08:43 <GeneralAntilles> and since I'm baffled by what you might be talking about
Dec 07 22:08:51 <GeneralAntilles> we can conclude that it's not an issue. :)
Dec 07 22:08:57 <ds3> fair enough
Dec 07 22:08:58 <alterego> Heh
Dec 07 22:09:39 <ds3> different thing, anyone used one of those checked book style cases on the 800 in place of the hard cover on the 770?
Dec 07 22:10:03 <ds3> s/checked/check/
Dec 07 22:10:04 <infobot> ds3 meant: different thing, anyone used one of those check book style cases on the 800 in place of the hard cover on the 770?
Dec 07 22:10:11 <vlad_> for the record, the case that comes with the n810 is pretty damn ugly
Dec 07 22:10:22 <vlad_> it looks like something that a doctor would pull some kind of unpleasant testing tool out of
Dec 07 22:10:28 <ds3> vlad_: it comes with a case? all I saw was a little sack
Dec 07 22:10:32 <vlad_> (seriously, cyan and gray?)
Dec 07 22:10:41 <vlad_> yeah, it's some light gray faux leather thing which has cyan felt on the inside
Dec 07 22:12:52 <vlad_> well here, we live in the future, let me take a photo
Dec 07 22:13:11 <ds3> alternatively, are there other physical protection for the 800 people use? I am a bit rough on things and the 770's hard case has been very good
Dec 07 22:13:42 <GeneralAntilles> I just used the sunglasses-style case it came with.
Dec 07 22:13:57 <GeneralAntilles> It's resided in my pocket with my cellphone with no problems.
Dec 07 22:14:13 <vlad_> apparently, it takes a while for the future to work, waiting for my photo to show up on flickr that I sent
Dec 07 22:14:22 <vlad_> oh, so this isn't a hard case, it's just a leather sleeve thing
Dec 07 22:14:34 <alterego> It's not even leather :P
Dec 07 22:14:55 <vlad_> yeah, sorry, faux-leather
Dec 07 22:15:22 <lardman|afk> what 64bit number has a low 32bit=-1 and a high 32bits=-1?
Dec 07 22:15:22 <alterego> I just thought it was felt ^_^
Dec 07 22:15:40 <vlad_> the inside is felt
Dec 07 22:16:35 <alterego> I think I'll make a steal case for the N810 ^_^
Dec 07 22:16:45 <alterego> Just a metal sleeve.
Dec 07 22:16:52 <ds3> a la the 770 case?
Dec 07 22:17:11 <alterego> Something like that. More like the soft sleeve that comes with the N800, but rigid.
Dec 07 22:17:24 <ds3> nice
Dec 07 22:17:34 <ds3> wonder if the reed switches are still there
Dec 07 22:17:48 <alterego> Hmm .. I can't find hciconfig O_O
Dec 07 22:17:48 <ds3> cuz the close lid and autodisconnect to save power is really nice on the 770
Dec 07 22:18:07 <alterego> No, there's no way the N800 has the magnetic sensor.
Dec 07 22:18:12 <alterego> That's a silly thought.
Dec 07 22:18:21 <ds3> one can wish =)
Dec 07 22:18:25 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, you want soft power off.
Dec 07 22:18:26 <alterego> O_o
Dec 07 22:18:47 <ds3> GeneralAntilles: I want it done automatically when I put in my pocket
Dec 07 22:18:48 <GeneralAntilles> It'll toggle sleep, lock inputs, and switch to (and out of) offline mode with one long keypress.
Dec 07 22:19:04 <ds3> I guess I can tolerate that
Dec 07 22:19:17 <GeneralAntilles> In fact, this is shorter than putting the hard cover on the 770.
Dec 07 22:19:24 <ds3> prehaps I can add a working USB OTG stack to the wish list too?
Dec 07 22:19:25 <GeneralAntilles> Honesty, the stand is a good trade for the hardcover.
Dec 07 22:19:35 <GeneralAntilles> It's already there, ds3.
Dec 07 22:19:43 <ds3> that I will have to try for a few weeks to get a really good answer
Dec 07 22:19:49 <GeneralAntilles> s/Honesty/Honestly
Dec 07 22:20:01 <ds3> GeneralAntilles: then why does flasher still offer the host/device options?
Dec 07 22:20:07 <ds3> did I miss something?
Dec 07 22:20:08 <GeneralAntilles> Because it's old?
Dec 07 22:20:19 <GeneralAntilles> Because it might still be useful for some people?
Dec 07 22:20:22 <ds3> oh so on the 800, I just need a power hub and that's it?
Dec 07 22:20:23 <alterego> I guess there's no hci tools in maemo4 :/
Dec 07 22:20:26 <p|> does the n800 usb otg support usb powered hub ?
Dec 07 22:21:30 <glass_> does the usb with n800 work nowadays, and with which devices+
Dec 07 22:21:31 <glass_> ?
Dec 07 22:21:38 <alterego> p|, what do you mean "support USB powered hub"?
Dec 07 22:22:13 <ds3> alterego: maybe they hid the HCI tools in the another partition?
Dec 07 22:22:17 <alterego> You can plug it into a powered USB hub. That's how I get host mode to work, with devices that require more than OTG power.
Dec 07 22:22:19 <p|> alterego, if i want to connect an usb keyboard and an external hd
Dec 07 22:22:24 <p|> i need an hub
Dec 07 22:22:31 <alterego> Ah, yes. I use a hub.
Dec 07 22:22:40 <alterego> Seems to work fine for me.
Dec 07 22:22:47 <p|> but i've read that someone have problem with hub
Dec 07 22:22:56 <ds3> alterego: do you get a serious battery life hit if you use the USB port?
Dec 07 22:23:06 <alterego> ds3, not that I've noticed.
Dec 07 22:23:29 <ds3> I've had the 770 go from full battery to zilch in about an hour if have used a USB device and not rebooted yet
Dec 07 22:23:51 <alterego> That's unfortunate.
Dec 07 22:24:21 <ds3> heh, you're telling me... finding a dead N770 in your pocket is not a nice surprise ;)
Dec 07 22:24:37 <p|> also i've noticed a battery life hit if i leave usb port connected to pc...
Dec 07 22:24:53 <ds3> p|, 800 or 770?
Dec 07 22:24:56 <p|> n800
Dec 07 22:25:10 <alterego> Can't say I've noticed that.
Dec 07 22:25:38 <ds3> I can understand if it is connected (pull ups/downs/etc)
Dec 07 22:25:58 <alterego> I barely use the USB PC connection. Only when flashing really.
Dec 07 22:26:26 <alterego> WiFi and BT is enough connectivity for me. The USB PC connection is kind of pointless with the exception of flashing it.
Dec 07 22:26:36 <alterego> Which will no longer be required ..
Dec 07 22:26:38 <ds3> thumbdrives I think are the biggest reason I can think of...maybe occasional CDROM access
Dec 07 22:26:51 <p|> i use also to exchange files n800<>pc
Dec 07 22:27:03 <alterego> sshfs ftw.
Dec 07 22:27:14 <p|> much slow :)
Dec 07 22:27:23 <alterego> It's fine ..
Dec 07 22:27:31 <p|> 6-700k/s ?
Dec 07 22:27:33 <alterego> Quicker than my USB 1.1 laptop me things ..
Dec 07 22:27:41 <alterego> ~thinks ..
Dec 07 22:28:11 <ds3> don't suppose anyone has setup their 770/800 to print?
Dec 07 22:28:50 <p|> i've read someone have ported cups ?
Dec 07 22:31:24 <shackan> alterego: I can't find neither hciconfig nor pand, no idea where they ended up
Dec 07 22:31:53 <p|> shackan, os2008 ?
Dec 07 22:32:19 <shackan> yes
Dec 07 22:32:45 <alterego> Pain in the ass ..
Dec 07 22:33:24 <p|> shackan, pand doesn't exixts on os2008
Dec 07 22:33:30 <p|> exists*
Dec 07 22:33:53 <p|> search on itt, there is a workaround for this
Dec 07 22:33:57 <shackan> p|: heh, I found out, but what was it replaced it?
Dec 07 22:33:59 <shackan> mmkay
Dec 07 22:34:15 <p|> using dbus
Dec 07 22:34:26 <p|> never tried for now
Dec 07 22:35:26 * lardman|afk is getting bored of debugging by adding yet more dbg() statements
Dec 07 22:36:18 <p|> is fm radio for os2008 out ?
Dec 07 22:39:12 <lardman> derf: you about for some tremor debugging?
Dec 07 22:39:29 <shackan> p|: it is
Dec 07 22:39:42 <shackan> p|: nothing relevant on ITT for 'pand' :(
Dec 07 22:41:41 <lardman> Does anyone happen to know the usual function call progression through the tremor library....?
Dec 07 22:41:46 * lardman is doubtful
Dec 07 22:43:36 <p|> shackan, wait, i try to find the thread
Dec 07 22:44:20 <shackan> lardman: you already ported tremor to the dsp?
Dec 07 22:45:09 <lardman> shackan: yeah, it's running, but failing
Dec 07 22:45:13 <p|> shackan, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12666&highlight=pan+os2008
Dec 07 22:46:20 <lardman> shackan: fails with OV_ENOTVORBIS, I'm trying to track down what's wrong to cause this
Dec 07 22:46:50 <shackan> p|: thanks, unfortunately seeing these hacked shell scripts just makes me want to puke, grrrrrrrr
Dec 07 22:47:38 <shackan> lardman: no idea :\
Dec 07 22:47:43 <lardman> any gdb gurus on here?
Dec 07 22:48:22 <shackan> what do you need?
Dec 07 22:49:05 <lardman> I'm thinking I'll run the tremor library on arm and step through to see where the two diverge
Dec 07 22:49:46 <shackan> whoa, good luck
Dec 07 22:49:50 <lardman> I was wondering if, after setting a breakpoint on a given function, I could obtain a list of the functions that have been called (is that a stack trace?)
Dec 07 22:49:54 <shackan> that's some serious spelunking
Dec 07 22:50:11 <shackan> bt prints the stack trace
Dec 07 22:50:29 <kulve> lardman: yeah, on the arm side you can get the backtrace (or stack?) like that
Dec 07 22:50:32 <lardman> yeah, arm doesn't like stack traces does it iitc
Dec 07 22:50:35 <shackan> and it's not a list of all the function called until that moment
Dec 07 22:50:56 <shackan> just what's in the innermost frame up to the first caller
Dec 07 22:51:06 <shackan> but, you can step in the dsp?
Dec 07 22:51:10 <shackan> that's cool
Dec 07 22:51:20 <lardman> what would be good is a graphical debugger like MATLAB or Visual C++ (/me shows his Windows side ;) )
Dec 07 22:51:31 <shackan> lardman: insight isn't that bad
Dec 07 22:51:33 <kulve> shackan: I think you need a different tool for debugging the dsp side..
Dec 07 22:51:39 <lardman> shackan: no, I'm doing it by adding dbg() calls which send strings to dmesg
Dec 07 22:52:16 <shackan> ow, sucks
Dec 07 22:52:29 <lardman> sure does :)
Dec 07 22:53:41 <shackan> do libvorbis and tremor sound any different?
Dec 07 22:54:08 <lardman> I understand that xiph are thinking about turning the tremor code into fp and using that as the standard
Dec 07 22:54:12 <kulve> I would guess that theoretically yes, but to human ear no (just guessing)
Dec 07 22:54:52 <lardman> mine may be related to code speed though more than listening differences
Dec 07 22:55:05 <kulve> actually I'm not sure if there's a difference even theoretically..
Dec 07 22:55:39 <shackan> ok, I'll take tremor
Dec 07 22:55:48 * lardman has no idea, I don't even listen to ogg
Dec 07 22:56:48 <lardman> tremor is certainly faster than vorbis even when compiled for vfp
Dec 07 22:57:53 <kulve> at least on n800..
Dec 07 22:58:02 <lardman> true :)
Dec 07 22:58:19 <kulve> how about some 64bit amd..?
Dec 07 22:58:35 <lardman> give me 10min and I could tell you for dual core 64bit Intel
Dec 07 22:58:47 <lardman> but am trying to install Insight first
Dec 07 23:00:45 <truent> nothin better than n800 + blackjack connection = irc'ing in the middle of nowhere
Dec 07 23:02:06 <truent> gotta find cheap gps and keyboard
Dec 07 23:02:15 <kulve> sounds like n810 ;)
Dec 07 23:04:10 <truent> hah
Dec 07 23:05:11 <truent> i already dumped too much on this thing right before the price drop ;p
Dec 07 23:05:31 <astro76> truent, amazon has the stowaway ultra-slim BT keyboard for $30
Dec 07 23:06:14 <truent> yep thats what i was lookin at
Dec 07 23:06:45 <astro76> several people here have them, I highly recommend it
Dec 07 23:17:45 <lopz> re
Dec 07 23:25:36 <halley> Sorry for the inconvenience. garage has a maintenance break.
Dec 07 23:25:38 <halley> Er...
Dec 07 23:25:45 <halley> It's been a day.
Dec 07 23:28:00 <lardman> Is it possible to use gdb on a binary that uses a command like this: ./ivorbisfile_example < sample.ogg > output.pcm
Dec 07 23:31:49 <shackan> lardman: you could try gdb ./ivorbisfile_example and then at the prompt # run < sample.ogg > output.pcm
Dec 07 23:31:51 <shackan> ymmv
Dec 07 23:32:10 <lardman> thanks, think I'll just tweak it to read and write from file
Dec 07 23:32:10 <vlad_> yes, gdb understands i/o redirection with < > and >>
Dec 07 23:32:22 <lardman> vlad_: doesn't seem to like it though
Dec 07 23:32:25 <vlad_> hm
Dec 07 23:32:30 <vlad_> check the help on run?
Dec 07 23:32:32 <vlad_> you may need some var set
Dec 07 23:32:52 <lardman> ah, so I do have to set it after starting gdb then?
Dec 07 23:34:35 <lardman> hmm, that seems to work, but gdb refuses to run the file
Dec 07 23:34:41 <K`zan> My local thrift store had USB adapters so I stocked up.  Only things really useful, I think, were the cables, double females and the mini-usb :)
Dec 07 23:34:48 <lardman> Don't know how to run.  Try "help target".
Dec 07 23:35:05 <lardman> doesn't seem to be anything to do with the redirections though
Dec 07 23:35:32 <shackan> hmm, help target is only usefull for remote debugging
Dec 07 23:35:32 <lardman> this is trying to use gdb in scratchbox though....
Dec 07 23:37:35 <halley> Anyone know why the garage.maemo.org system seems to be down?
Dec 07 23:38:39 <GeneralAntilles> Because their servers suck?
Dec 07 23:40:11 <lardman> right, time for bed, will have to look into debugging tomorrow when I'm actually awake
Dec 07 23:40:17 <lardman> thanks for the help chaps
Dec 07 23:40:20 <lardman> night all
Dec 07 23:42:21 <halley> Yeah, beyond that.
Dec 07 23:42:41 <halley> I was hoping the gjiten guy was working on updating his deb.  :/
Dec 07 23:43:19 <halley> I'm pleased with the maemocjk library; scim-anthy is so much nicer than the builtin IM look/feel.
Dec 07 23:43:52 <halley> How do you get a list of files from a given installed .deb?
Dec 07 23:49:47 <p|> 'night all!
Dec 08 00:26:08 <JZA> hey
Dec 08 00:26:09 <JZA> people
Dec 08 00:26:12 <JZA> anyone here
Dec 08 00:26:23 <JZA> I want to know how to force install a ncurses-bin
Dec 08 00:26:51 <GeneralAntilles> base or bin . . .
Dec 08 00:26:56 <JZA> bin
Dec 08 00:26:57 <GeneralAntilles> one of them collides with busybox
Dec 08 00:27:01 <GeneralAntilles> I don't recall which one
Dec 08 00:27:13 <JZA> yeah that is the problem
Dec 08 00:27:18 <JZA> this is the package:
Dec 08 00:27:18 <JZA> ncurses-bin_5.5-1mh2_armel.deb
Dec 08 00:27:29 <GeneralAntilles> One of them you don't want.
Dec 08 00:27:30 <JZA> check the output if I want to force install
Dec 08 00:27:31 <JZA> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258056
Dec 08 00:27:37 <GeneralAntilles> The one that collides with busybox is evilbad
Dec 08 00:28:00 <JZA> I see so where can I find the other one
Dec 08 00:28:08 <JZA> is there an ncurses-base
Dec 08 00:28:11 <GeneralAntilles> -bin is the evil one
Dec 08 00:28:15 <GeneralAntilles> get rid of it
Dec 08 00:28:49 <JZA> I see
Dec 08 00:30:11 <JZA> GeneralAntilles: I still get the same error
Dec 08 00:30:25 <JZA> are you confusing libncurses wiht ncurses
Dec 08 00:30:50 <GeneralAntilles> No
Dec 08 00:30:57 <GeneralAntilles> ncurses-base is the one you want
Dec 08 00:31:32 <JZA> yeah I did that
Dec 08 00:32:26 <JZA> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/258303
Dec 08 00:49:57 <JZA> how can I search with apt-get
Dec 08 00:53:23 <GeneralAntilles> regex
Dec 08 01:19:36 <halley> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
Dec 08 01:19:42 <halley>   gjiten: Depends: hildon-fm1 (>= 1.14-1) but it is not going to be installed
Dec 08 01:19:42 <halley>           Depends: hildon-libs0 (>= 0.14.11-1) but it is not going to be installed
Dec 08 01:19:42 <halley> E: Broken packages
Dec 08 01:19:42 * halley twiddles his thumbs.
Dec 08 01:25:25 <derf> OS 2008?
Dec 08 01:25:39 <halley> It's a 2007 package trying to go onto 2008.
Dec 08 01:25:46 <derf> I know. I wrote the package.
Dec 08 01:26:07 <derf> I haven't installed 2008 yet.
Dec 08 01:26:07 <halley> Hm, I wrote an email to TT, are you he?
Dec 08 01:26:12 <derf> That's me.
Dec 08 01:26:27 <derf> I haven't gotten it yet, unless you sent it a while ago.
Dec 08 01:26:39 <JZA> is 2008 out yet for N800?
Dec 08 01:26:44 <halley> A couple days ago.
Dec 08 01:26:52 <halley> JZA, beta.
Dec 08 01:27:52 <JZA> ok
Dec 08 01:27:54 <halley> derf, I hope you can maybe install the 800 sdk on your pc at least.  maemocjk is basically working now, so a dict is my last "must have".
Dec 08 01:28:47 <Rask330> Funny little problem here... I have a certificate I'm trying to add to the certificate manager, but it goes into "authorities", even though it's not an authority.
Dec 08 01:30:30 <derf> Unless you were "special hinshitsu no brand shina no, kakuyasu hanbai shop!" I don't see it.
Dec 08 01:30:45 * Rask330 confused. o.o
Dec 08 01:31:01 <derf> halley: I'll try to find time to do it tomorrow.
Dec 08 01:31:28 <halley> arigatou gozaimasu!
Dec 08 01:33:20 <Rask330> Do any of you guys know where maemo hides the certificates in the filesystem? ^^;
Dec 08 01:34:26 <Vulcanis> [20:26:40] <halley> A couple days ago. -- do you know when the official release will be?
Dec 08 01:34:47 <halley> derf, I sent you two to xiph.org - first one calling you Terry, second correcting.
Dec 08 01:35:03 <halley> Vulcanis, "A couple days ago" was not related to OS2008 on N800.
Dec 08 01:35:18 <Vulcanis> Ah, thought it was.  Hehe.  It was followed with 'a beta'.
Dec 08 01:35:29 <halley> I have no idea when.
Dec 08 01:35:42 <halley> The beta IS related to N800.
Dec 08 01:37:33 <Vulcanis> yes, I had assumed that.  But the top one made me think you were answering him earlier.  I knew the beta was out, but did not know when, I had bought my tablet two days ago.
Dec 08 01:44:23 <derf> halley: Oh, I actually _did_ see that... but I only got the second one.
Dec 08 01:44:48 <halley> Heh, so you were left wondering.
Dec 08 01:45:07 <derf> But I'm sure something else distracted me and I forgot all about it.
Dec 08 01:59:36 <SignalN800> hi guys
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