**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 18 02:59:56 2007 Dec 18 03:31:14 bye Dec 18 03:33:07 Esworp: I've been working on my own selection for single-click adding of podcasts and videocasts to Video Center. Dec 18 03:33:12 Waiting for a 2008 version. Dec 18 04:16:41 /lastlog code Dec 18 04:24:31 <|R> can anybody summarize the Nokia Open Source License? Dec 18 04:56:34 if you're using the n800 Dec 18 04:56:38 can you upgrade to 2008 Dec 18 04:56:40 then back to 2007 Dec 18 04:56:55 or is the hardware change by 2008 going to affect it from downgrading Dec 18 04:57:12 and does anyone know ifthe hardware unclock will stay in place Dec 18 04:57:32 unlock* Dec 18 04:59:13 you can downgrade Dec 18 04:59:24 no hardware change, all software Dec 18 05:07:26 is there a working program that will let me send and receive SMS's with a bluetooth capable phone on either the 770 or N800? Dec 18 05:07:40 found one but the comments suggest it doesn't work well Dec 18 05:08:27 doesn't gnokii work just fine, atleast for sending Dec 18 05:08:54 ds3: phonelink Dec 18 05:08:55 ? Dec 18 05:12:23 think thats the one Dec 18 05:28:10 hi Dec 18 05:28:24 is there any calendar application for N800? Dec 18 05:28:55 yes GPE? Dec 18 05:29:23 pupnik_: how i can install it in my device.? Dec 18 05:55:27 is there any calendar application for N800? Dec 18 06:02:20 how i can install it in the device? Dec 18 06:09:36 hello...... Dec 18 06:09:43 is not there...! Dec 18 06:09:50 is there any calendar application for N800? Dec 18 06:09:55 how i can install it in the device? Dec 18 06:10:05 any body please..! Dec 18 06:10:39 lol Dec 18 06:10:44 application manager Dec 18 06:10:55 google can help ya with that. Dec 18 06:11:29 google maemo gpe Dec 18 06:11:56 but there is a .install file only Dec 18 06:12:05 will it work? Dec 18 06:12:09 Dec 18 06:12:11 ? Dec 18 06:12:20 yes Dec 18 06:12:38 i just double click on it..? Dec 18 06:12:40 Dec 18 06:12:41 ? Dec 18 06:12:43 open the link where the .install file is on the N800s webbrowser Dec 18 06:13:08 .install files only work from the devices browser Dec 18 06:13:13 I have already downlooaded it in the Pc Dec 18 06:13:28 no go Dec 18 06:13:31 Then transfered it in the device Dec 18 06:14:00 never did it that route..not sure it will work Dec 18 06:14:00 now if i click on it.. will it work? Dec 18 06:14:05 not sure Dec 18 06:14:08 give it a try Dec 18 06:14:15 sure........ Dec 18 06:14:19 Thanx a lot Dec 18 06:14:22 ! Dec 18 06:14:31 np Dec 18 06:14:46 another way Dec 18 06:14:50 yah Dec 18 06:14:59 unique311: do you remember what kind of fps you got with desmume? Dec 18 06:15:05 is to open the .install file in word or notepad Dec 18 06:15:13 10 max Dec 18 06:15:14 yah then..? Dec 18 06:15:41 open app manager and add the repo links to app manager Dec 18 06:15:58 hmm..... Dec 18 06:15:59 when you open the .install file you should see the repo links Dec 18 06:16:17 ok thank you.. Dec 18 06:16:31 hope i was clear....sometimes i confuse myself. Dec 18 06:16:51 pupnik, you can get it higher than 10 i think Dec 18 06:17:08 just the screen was way to small. Dec 18 06:17:23 and i only got a couple of homebrew apps going Dec 18 06:18:18 ok Dec 18 06:18:52 you know how small garnet vm screen is Dec 18 06:19:17 desmume is smaller than that. Dec 18 06:19:55 let me know if you get it to compile...i tried to get it compiled for chinook, but didn't get anywhere. Dec 18 06:20:10 :/ i got it to compile but i don't remember how Dec 18 06:20:19 remove the gl stuff Dec 18 06:20:28 yeh Dec 18 06:20:30 i think thats how i did it for bora Dec 18 06:20:57 i'm not interested in it though. tak was just asking about it Dec 18 06:22:55 what about neopop, had sonic the hedgehog going at 25fps on it. Dec 18 06:23:41 wow Dec 18 06:25:42 if you can get pass the segfaults for the chinook compile, i think you will have descent game emu. Dec 18 06:26:23 i totally missed out on neopop Dec 18 06:26:57 do you have a tarball of a built neopop? Dec 18 06:27:09 i see here Dec 18 06:27:16 NeoPop is a NeoGeo Pocket Color emulator for the Nintendo GameCube. Currently, it is only available in source code form so you must compile it yourself. Dec 18 06:27:20 ahh Dec 18 06:27:31 http://www.nih.at/NeoPop-SDL/ Dec 18 06:28:24 mind you i gave it a go the other day, and only ended up with segfaults...not sure what i'm doing wrong. (chinook) Dec 18 06:29:46 buongiorno Dec 18 06:29:59 what is the problem with bluez-utils ? Dec 18 06:30:08 i'm unable to upgrade it Dec 18 06:30:28 from comman line it claim want to remove osso_software_version :-O Dec 18 06:30:39 s/comman/command/ Dec 18 06:30:40 L0cutus meant: from command line it claim want to remove osso_software_version :-O Dec 18 06:30:40 pupnik here's how sonic look, don't be fooled by the screenshots on the neopop link Dec 18 06:30:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADK_3FONefs Dec 18 06:32:23 looks great :) Dec 18 06:47:52 "A whole range of new apps might be 2008 compatible now that they have improved gtk to 2.10.? + cairo." Dec 18 06:59:02 pupnik, i got it to work Dec 18 06:59:15 just needed to run it with a certain flag Dec 18 06:59:38 the cli version? Dec 18 06:59:42 sdl Dec 18 06:59:54 ran in in silent mode. Dec 18 07:00:02 which is -S Dec 18 07:00:05 and it runs Dec 18 07:00:14 51 fps with no game loaded. Dec 18 07:01:30 sonic at 35fps max Dec 18 07:01:33 nice Dec 18 07:01:35 not bad at all Dec 18 07:01:35 wow Dec 18 07:01:49 this is neopop? Dec 18 07:01:52 yes Dec 18 07:02:13 U want me to host it? Dec 18 07:02:20 need to change some stuff in the source to get a bigger screen. Dec 18 07:02:35 ok give link pls when you do, source/bin Dec 18 07:02:41 let me mess with it some more. Dec 18 07:04:01 Dang, going to have to return this BT keyboard. =( Dec 18 07:04:05 n810 will not have any issues with it...slide keyboard Dec 18 07:04:25 but n800 and 770 users will have problems i think. Dec 18 07:04:40 It paired but I don't think OS2008 is actually recognising it as a keyboard, just some anonymous device. Dec 18 07:05:09 this the $39 thing sciboy ? Dec 18 07:05:21 No, $190 Dec 18 07:06:21 The mac wireless keyboard is bluetooth right? Dec 18 07:13:22 morning Dec 18 07:18:53 wait, neopop?~ Dec 18 07:18:56 !!?@? awesome Dec 18 07:22:55 Yep, seems I'll probably grab the apple wireless keyboard and be done with it. Dec 18 07:31:09 * konttori has also been considering apple wless Dec 18 07:32:02 I'm not just considering it, fact is it's the only practical one available in my area. Dec 18 07:32:49 I was hoping for portable/fold-away, but that idea flopped since they're just too hard to come by, and they aren't as stable. Dec 18 07:33:16 Once I return this POS, I'll go grab one. Dec 18 07:34:04 <|R> wth is this nokia 8800 at 1500$ i see on eBay?! :P Dec 18 07:34:50 hmm Dec 18 07:34:57 I considered the apple keyboard Dec 18 07:35:08 but I have a fabric one. it just doesn't work :( Dec 18 07:35:19 Oh _that_ fabric one. Dec 18 07:35:35 I avoided it since I want something I could use on my lap. Dec 18 07:36:10 Plus, I'm addicted to keys that click. Dec 18 08:28:57 * timely ponders Dec 18 08:29:01 sp3000? Dec 18 08:29:13 suppose itos didn't have application manager Dec 18 08:29:29 would it be possible to treat the tablet as something that could be safely given to untrusted people Dec 18 08:29:48 (basically just a web browser) Dec 18 08:30:25 untrusted like they might stuff it in a pocket and wander off? Dec 18 08:30:27 http://europe.nokia.com/8800sirocco Dec 18 08:30:40 celesteh: more like i don't want them changing the system configuration Dec 18 08:30:44 amy physical access to any machine gives the user access to break in to it Dec 18 08:31:17 hm Dec 18 08:31:32 clearly ICD settings would need to be locked down Dec 18 08:31:35 and about:config Dec 18 08:31:41 otherwise someone could set a proxy and snoop Dec 18 08:31:58 without rd mode you can't install stuff from privileged documents I suppose Dec 18 08:32:17 s/rd mode/root access setup/ Dec 18 08:32:18 sp3000 meant: without root access setup you can't install stuff from privileged documents I suppose Dec 18 08:34:51 does osso or anything else provide an service to play a "beep", ie a notification sound? Dec 18 08:35:28 echo ^G doesn't work? :) Dec 18 08:36:16 I did steps like topic said, but last step didn't work: sb2-init -m maemo maemo $HOME/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-linux-gcc Dec 18 08:36:37 err... Dec 18 08:36:50 /usr/bin/sb2-init: illegal option -- m Dec 18 08:37:16 why is that? Dec 18 08:37:43 wow, short topic Dec 18 08:37:43 hahlo: which version of sb2 you have? Dec 18 08:37:53 lle2: you want the topic all to yourself? Dec 18 08:38:05 timely: no :) Dec 18 08:39:05 timely: I originally intended not to hijack it completely, but pressed enter accidentally before completing it Dec 18 08:39:46 lle2: 1.99.0.19 Dec 18 08:39:58 hahlo: too old :) Dec 18 08:40:41 lle2: where I get newer? I follow instructions and install it with apt-get Dec 18 08:41:15 hahlo: yup, sorry for jumping the gun a bit with the instructions, but I wanted to get them out before the holidays Dec 18 08:41:25 hahlo: at the moment you need to build it yourself Dec 18 08:41:27 it's not hard Dec 18 08:41:40 the top part of the non-debian guide describes how Dec 18 08:41:55 just uninstall the version that you have now Dec 18 08:41:56 lle2: ok, thanks Dec 18 08:42:21 leave qemu though, that should be fine Dec 18 08:42:36 ok Dec 18 08:44:04 hahlo: are you on a 32bit host? Dec 18 08:51:06 lle2: yes and I build newer sb2 but still older is in use despite make install went through Dec 18 08:51:28 hahlo: could you uninstall the older one? Dec 18 08:51:45 I try Dec 18 08:52:01 and add the new one to the path, $HOME/scratchbox2/bin, if you followed the instructions Dec 18 08:52:34 I followed this: Partial Step by Step Guide for non-Debian i386 Hosts Dec 18 08:52:48 yup Dec 18 08:54:39 hello, anybody using maemo online ? Dec 18 08:59:00 ? Dec 18 08:59:32 i need someone that knows maemo well to help me use it on an arm-based linux Dec 18 09:00:30 i have this: http://www.arcom.com/pxa270-xscale-zeus.htm with a touchscreen-lcd and i want to be able to use maemo and maemo applications with it Dec 18 09:00:58 that's not trivial Dec 18 09:01:07 "development platform for Nokia Internet Tablets | http://freedesktop.org/Software/sbox2/Maemo | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | http://www.gronmayer.com/it | http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook Dec 18 09:01:26 yay! Dec 18 09:01:31 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/search?q=changes+topic+to Dec 18 09:01:37 in case you need to fix something in the future :) Dec 18 09:02:56 although I think we should try to make it short Dec 18 09:03:02 er Dec 18 09:03:34 and have a rotation policy for the first 30 characters, so that it can be used effectively for advertising new stuff Dec 18 09:03:36 i thought that if it is an open-source platform, someone may have ported it .. not really port Dec 18 09:04:01 i run an arm-based linux, exactly as nokia internet tables do Dec 18 09:04:20 yeah, on an xscale Dec 18 09:04:32 yes Dec 18 09:04:36 explaining what maemo is requires a PhD Dec 18 09:04:44 * timely doesn't have one Dec 18 09:04:57 last I checked xscale was bigendian Dec 18 09:05:07 i kind of know what maemo is Dec 18 09:05:20 * pupnik has a foggy idea Dec 18 09:05:22 maemo is a set of libraries ( sorry for my bad english ) Dec 18 09:05:26 pupnik, mapped a couple of keys, messed with the source and got it fullscreen. Dec 18 09:05:35 Zekquel: i'm not sure i could find two people at Nokia who could agree as to what maemo is Dec 18 09:05:35 maemo is a process, a metaphore, a state of mind Dec 18 09:05:36 coool :) Dec 18 09:05:42 uploading a quick video Dec 18 09:05:47 looks pretty cool Dec 18 09:06:00 i'll send you the source code, and the bin in a minute Dec 18 09:06:00 Zekquel: i suspect i could probably get even 5 people to agree to my statement :) Dec 18 09:06:13 you can hack away at it a little more. Dec 18 09:06:34 will you make a post on ITT? Dec 18 09:06:38 yes timely, but i have a certain true in my statement that maemo is a set of libraies Dec 18 09:06:54 Zekquel: it's definitely a non-trivial thing to port maemo to your hw Dec 18 09:06:57 not sure.. Dec 18 09:07:12 define non-trivial lle2 Dec 18 09:07:24 ( sorry for my bad english again ) Dec 18 09:07:26 something that I would not do in my freetime Dec 18 09:07:37 you can if you want...if i release it on itt they'll want me to do more work to it.. :) Dec 18 09:07:39 lazy Dec 18 09:07:40 Zekquel: well, does maemo include a kernel? because that isn't a library Dec 18 09:07:48 and I hack sb2 as a hobby, so that should put it in perspective Dec 18 09:07:50 and does maemo include binaries? because those aren't libraries :) Dec 18 09:08:00 how's OS2008 with N800 so far? Dec 18 09:08:03 and each release has a different set of libraries Dec 18 09:08:04 lle2, you are right, but i was asking if someone did this before, so i won't have to study it from scratch Dec 18 09:08:40 or if nokia provides enough docs to help me start porting Dec 18 09:08:44 Zekquel: as far as I know most of the maemo cruft is in openembedded Dec 18 09:08:45 you see.. it's not really porting Dec 18 09:08:55 that supports xscale targets Dec 18 09:09:05 porting means to rewrite a program from an architecture to another, from an OS to another Dec 18 09:09:13 and in our case the os is the same Dec 18 09:09:41 use openembedded if you want to have results this decade Dec 18 09:09:45 lle2: export $HOME/scratchbox2/bin said bash: export: `/home/hahlo/scratchbox2/bin': not a valid identifier Dec 18 09:10:13 hahlo: you should do export PATH=$HOME/scratchbox2/bin:$PATH Dec 18 09:10:24 ah' Dec 18 09:10:44 lle2 let me see what is openembedded Dec 18 09:11:01 openembbeded.org tells everything Dec 18 09:11:32 yes, i am now browsing it Dec 18 09:11:39 now sb2 -v gives 1.99.0.22 Dec 18 09:12:34 hahlo: since you're on a debian system, you can ignore the rest of the non-debian guide Dec 18 09:12:45 go back to running sb2-init Dec 18 09:13:28 lle2 Dec 18 09:13:38 my linux is also a debian-based linux Dec 18 09:14:28 lle2: sb2-init -m maemo maemo $HOME/arm-2007q3/bin/arm-linux-gcc Dec 18 09:14:37 now works thanks Dec 18 09:14:41 hahlo: great! Dec 18 09:15:12 Zekquel: mine is not. fedora 8 is good. Dec 18 09:15:28 i mean the linux on the embedded device Dec 18 09:15:41 it is? Dec 18 09:16:20 then you don't need openembedded Dec 18 09:16:25 and you don't need maemo Dec 18 09:16:37 debian is almost infinitely better than either of thoes Dec 18 09:16:51 yes lle2, but i need a graphical package for my device Dec 18 09:17:02 and maemo looks very attractive Dec 18 09:17:15 do you have X server on it? Dec 18 09:17:19 yes Dec 18 09:17:23 gtk? Dec 18 09:17:30 can install gtk2 too Dec 18 09:17:43 okay Dec 18 09:17:44 but i am not very familiar with the x-server Dec 18 09:18:23 hmm, in *principle* you could take the hildon & related libraries and compile them to your target Dec 18 09:18:37 but you're totally asking for a lot of pain Dec 18 09:18:48 lle2: are you discouraging someone from using hildon? how dare you ;-? Dec 18 09:19:08 you might want to look at how openembedded has integrated them into their build system Dec 18 09:19:29 never used it before Dec 18 09:19:29 i am a programmer Dec 18 09:19:29 i am working with gps devices, serial communications Dec 18 09:19:29 the graphic-based devices is a new domain to me, that i have to learn how to deal with it Dec 18 09:19:30 and the company that provides the embedded board does not have any forum to discuss things.. Dec 18 09:19:30 and i could not find any embedded-linux dev forums Dec 18 09:19:54 I cannot recommend simply taking the source packages and recompiling them, as their quality is hilarious Dec 18 09:20:13 yes lle2 i have tried this too Dec 18 09:20:19 hilarious isn't quite the right word Dec 18 09:20:34 sometimes you'll feel better being the lemming who walks off the cliff Dec 18 09:20:40 but yet i have no knowledge about a few things on embedded linux Dec 18 09:21:05 windows ce is more documented than embedded linux, but me prefers linux Dec 18 09:21:13 I think you should start by making sure the X server works Dec 18 09:21:25 Zekquel, also consider your device only outputs 640x480, maemo is set-up for 800x480, touch screen, no mouse or cursor Dec 18 09:21:30 Zekquel: who's your audience, and what do they need? Dec 18 09:21:35 and after that test gtk2 with some "hello world"ish gui app Dec 18 09:22:04 if you can afford to pay for the wince/winem license, and or feel that the price is worth the value of the documentation Dec 18 09:22:05 timely, i am only learning the device for now... no audience Dec 18 09:22:13 then perhaps the tradeoff is worth it Dec 18 09:22:45 documentation is very valuable, people generally don't realize just how valuable Dec 18 09:22:48 once that's out of the way, slowly start looking at compiling the hildon libraries, manually, with no debian packaging Dec 18 09:22:56 or how hard it is to buy/pay for good documentation Dec 18 09:23:15 lle2 i never heard of hildon libraries before Dec 18 09:23:29 Zekquel: hildon is maemo's ui glue Dec 18 09:23:29 Zekquel: from what I remember recent hildon libs support vanilla gtk Dec 18 09:23:47 it's something like live.gnome.org/hildon Dec 18 09:24:19 I would prepare to use about a month or two to get the maemo gui stuff built and running Dec 18 09:24:22 iirc ubuntu mobile or someone actually started playing w/ or using it Dec 18 09:24:42 thanks Dec 18 09:24:53 i will try to read more on hildon and openembedded Dec 18 09:25:11 also, is there a time frame? Dec 18 09:25:26 because there's at least one other embedding platform that will eventually exist Dec 18 09:25:56 there's some strange paradox that talks about the best way to do something as being not to start until later Dec 18 09:26:05 ubuntu mobile for i386 Dec 18 09:26:19 unique311: but does it use hildon? Dec 18 09:26:25 not intended for arm, which sucks Dec 18 09:26:27 yes Dec 18 09:26:30 no time limit.. i started learning embedded as a hobbty Dec 18 09:27:03 lle2: yes pcsx just uses the vanilla gtk for e.g. Dec 18 09:27:18 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mobile Dec 18 09:27:27 lots of familiar packages Dec 18 09:28:16 I'd be surprised if they don't target ARM eventually Dec 18 09:28:59 I would hope they target x86 first properly before aiming their buggywagons elsewhere Dec 18 09:29:10 seems to be their plan Dec 18 09:29:46 spread their bugs far and wide? Dec 18 09:32:27 not sure why youtube won't play my video of neopop running on the n800 Dec 18 09:32:41 don't think i did anything illegal. Dec 18 09:33:07 Morning, all Dec 18 09:33:20 good morning Dec 18 09:42:36 yowz Dec 18 09:43:38 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKGmOjeAm2Y Dec 18 09:43:41 there it is.. Dec 18 09:43:52 pupnik, check ur PMs Dec 18 09:44:05 * tigert posted some wallpapers in the ui team blog Dec 18 09:44:18 for those of you who are using os2008 Dec 18 09:44:36 bon dia / good morning Dec 18 09:44:43 yo mr. dent Dec 18 09:44:50 http://maemointeraction.wordpress.com/ Dec 18 09:44:58 I guess it'll be in the planet soon too Dec 18 09:46:19 Hi, anybody knows how to use ESD to record sound on maemo platform. Dec 18 09:46:50 I am trying a simple example application "esdrec" which does not work. Dec 18 09:47:11 hi all Dec 18 09:47:25 It hangs on the sencond read attempt every time I tried. Dec 18 09:47:44 "esdrec" works perfectly on pc. Dec 18 09:47:59 Any help would be really appreciated. Dec 18 09:48:20 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKGmOjeAm2Y Sonic the hedgehog pocket adventure running on neopop emu (N800) Dec 18 09:54:28 tigert: nice art Dec 18 09:56:19 http://www.plasmadesign.co.uk/PSP.htm has some nice ones which scale up to 800x480 nicely Dec 18 09:58:05 * Jaffa likes "Dewdrop" in there. Dec 18 09:59:12 tigert and jaffa: nice! Dec 18 10:00:44 err.. How can I make some system service to be run as root? Dec 18 10:01:06 it seems to be that by default /etc/init.d is being run as user? Dec 18 10:01:26 yet somehow some of the services manage to be started as root anyhow Dec 18 10:05:54 thanks unique311 and merry christmas Dec 18 10:09:55 unique311: was fps much better without scaling? Dec 18 10:17:13 good morning Dec 18 10:20:49 morning all... Dec 18 10:36:18 Hmm I guess nobody noticed the big news? :) Dec 18 10:36:33 big news? Dec 18 10:36:37 os2008 :) Dec 18 10:36:43 ? Dec 18 10:36:53 yep.. Dec 18 10:37:07 just read it... Dec 18 10:37:27 cool Dec 18 10:37:32 * tigert is kicking marko in the butt to put his wallpapers in the blog too :) Dec 18 10:38:25 X-Fade: which news? Dec 18 10:39:00 ah Dec 18 10:39:55 must be the 1.99.0.22 release of sb2 Dec 18 10:40:27 lle2: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html Dec 18 10:41:37 i'm making a backup Dec 18 10:53:02 wow thanks bedboi ! Dec 18 10:53:08 i'm downloading Dec 18 10:53:26 also my 16Gb SDHC is arrived today :) Dec 18 10:53:44 16Gb? Dec 18 10:54:22 damn it's huge Dec 18 10:54:27 Someone have a fast download site for the new release for N810? Dec 18 10:54:27 i don't think it's supported Dec 18 10:54:45 rocketman: come on, be patient :) Dec 18 10:54:50 Official download site going at like 15 k/s Dec 18 10:55:08 ah cool Dec 18 10:55:14 i'm stealing all the bandwidth Dec 18 10:55:18 it's 120kb/s Dec 18 10:55:37 i don't think it's supported Dec 18 10:55:46 yes, i''m using it now (ext2) Dec 18 10:55:51 COOL Dec 18 10:55:59 are you serious? Dec 18 10:56:01 plus an 8Gb internal Dec 18 10:56:03 At this rate, my N810's batteries will be drained by the time it is done downloading and the updater will magically brick my n810 Dec 18 10:56:09 so total il 24gb :D Dec 18 10:56:54 i'm downloading at 110k/sec Dec 18 10:57:08 does that update work thru application manager too or you need the cable? Dec 18 10:57:18 cable Dec 18 10:57:31 reflash Dec 18 10:58:04 i don't know if it is 'safe' to backup and then restore all... Dec 18 10:58:09 i have beta 1 Dec 18 10:58:23 i have n810 with os2008 already in it Dec 18 10:58:24 Hello World :) Dec 18 10:59:09 ciao ro Dec 18 10:59:12 tontsa: the new os2008 image that was released today? Dec 18 10:59:12 ops Dec 18 10:59:22 ciao rothiel Dec 18 10:59:29 dpb_, no of course not Dec 18 10:59:37 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/first_official_os2008_update.html Dec 18 10:59:48 date report today Dec 18 10:59:52 18/12/07 Dec 18 10:59:53 Here is a file change log Dec 18 10:59:55 yeah, people here were talking about the new one :) Dec 18 11:00:00 looks like the gps driver was updated Dec 18 11:00:08 yeah and i'm wondering if it's just a simple update for n810 folks Dec 18 11:00:27 as well as libbluetooth2 Dec 18 11:00:31 the url lists a changelog I think Dec 18 11:00:43 good that bluetooth is updated, cause it's very shaky on my n810 Dec 18 11:00:46 and some new themes Dec 18 11:01:09 is there any sensible text editor for device, that can edit any normal text files? Dec 18 11:01:20 and doesn't need huge dependencies Dec 18 11:01:28 I like nano, myself Dec 18 11:01:34 pretty straightforward Dec 18 11:01:44 * jeddy3 hopes for a canola 2 soon also, that would make my weekend Dec 18 11:01:58 doesn't require reading a book to learn like vi and emacs Dec 18 11:02:11 also flashplayer and microb Dec 18 11:02:19 is there deb available? i found some nano version which wanted dependencies Dec 18 11:02:27 emacs would be the best ;) Dec 18 11:02:55 i'd settle for something like maemopad which wouldn't be limited to MyDocs Dec 18 11:02:56 Some sip changes too Dec 18 11:03:27 rocketman, you have link to changelog? Dec 18 11:03:49 sorry, thought I posted already Dec 18 11:03:50 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/changes/50-2_vs_44-4_comparison.html Dec 18 11:03:58 thnks Dec 18 11:04:13 metalayer-crawler0 unchanged :( Dec 18 11:04:39 hope they fixed also the 'softpoweroff' script Dec 18 11:04:50 hehe. i have something like 42-19 on mine right now Dec 18 11:05:24 * rwhitby wonders if they have finally added the GMT+9:30 timezone for Adelaide Dec 18 11:06:23 Glad to see chess got updated...cause that was real critical Dec 18 11:08:00 RSS reader updated Dec 18 11:08:03 don't know why they don't use torrent files.... Dec 18 11:08:08 * pupnik refreshes Dec 18 11:08:53 newer xterm Dec 18 11:09:32 I was listening to "This American Life" and Ira Glass was bitching about the bandwidth bills and how they were like $200,000 Dec 18 11:10:28 88% ;) Dec 18 11:10:40 os2008 has xterm installed by default? cool. Dec 18 11:10:48 I wrote a letter explaining in layman's terms the benefits of torrent distribution Dec 18 11:11:01 they are still begging for money.... Dec 18 11:11:24 cosmo_: I would guess emacs would work just by recompiling the src deb of emacs-nox? Dec 18 11:11:36 cosmo_: it would be pretty big of course Dec 18 11:11:39 but thats emacs for you :) Dec 18 11:11:44 micro-emacs might be useful? Dec 18 11:11:47 anyone remember that one? Dec 18 11:11:55 I had it on the amiga years ago, though I had no clue what it was :) Dec 18 11:12:01 <_berto_> or joe ;) Dec 18 11:12:10 <_berto_> with the emacs keybindings (jmacs) Dec 18 11:12:11 was fun to discover it again a few years back when I booted my a500 again after a long time Dec 18 11:12:14 yeah Dec 18 11:12:14 hmm. download speed not too bad compared to when they released the beta.... :) Dec 18 11:12:16 jmacs was ok Dec 18 11:15:50 Anybody managed to download the file yet? Dec 18 11:16:25 I am sitting at 30% and it is getting slower and slower... Dec 18 11:16:28 30 of 134 MB now. Dec 18 11:16:51 (but I only started a few minutes ago) Dec 18 11:17:04 around 100 KB/sc. Dec 18 11:17:16 If someone has finished 44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin could they please host a torrent? Dec 18 11:17:59 is it legal to host that? Dec 18 11:18:16 probably not. Dec 18 11:18:16 ok, flashed Dec 18 11:18:43 it have found my backup data and asked for restore Dec 18 11:19:55 I am always extremely dubious about restoring anything from backup Dec 18 11:20:03 their backup program basically just overwrites files Dec 18 11:20:19 and it has been known to have extremely subtle bad consequences in the past Dec 18 11:20:33 hem :) Dec 18 11:20:41 I basically restore my repositories list and bookmarks Dec 18 11:20:49 if you have nothing in the device already (just flashed it) there are not much to overwrite Dec 18 11:21:17 I guess the problems might arise if you have a backup from your 770 os2005 and you want to restore it Dec 18 11:21:24 i have many apps to restore Dec 18 11:21:33 the point is, the backup program when restoring can overwrite configuration files with older, not completely compatible versions of those same files Dec 18 11:21:47 It caused a lot of problems with microb for instance Dec 18 11:21:49 rocketman: yep, I see the problem Dec 18 11:22:00 it is reinstalling all apps Dec 18 11:25:55 first crash with the new 2008 ;) Dec 18 11:26:31 Hi! :) Dec 18 11:27:04 OS 2008 - Crash Different Dec 18 11:27:04 lol cosmo_ Dec 18 11:27:11 v2 crash different Dec 18 11:27:47 All hail the new bugs, same as the old bugs Dec 18 11:27:54 tried to install fm radio and browser died. on second time it seems to work.. Dec 18 11:28:21 This is on a n800, right? N810 doesn't have a radio, so that might be your problems Dec 18 11:28:40 n800 Dec 18 11:29:00 well, the browser shouln't crash even on 810 Dec 18 11:29:31 the 2008 has been pretty solid for me lately Dec 18 11:29:36 In an ideal world. Dec 18 11:29:41 you havent even seen the first iterations of the OS :-) Dec 18 11:29:49 its been pretty good now Dec 18 11:30:07 ok, the browser died _after_ installing Dec 18 11:32:12 hm, this getting started demo is fancy Dec 18 11:32:25 Oh well, this download is moving like sludge. Going to go get my 3:30 am lunch break Dec 18 11:32:34 bbl Dec 18 11:34:16 it's 1337 o'clock soon again! :) Dec 18 11:35:03 oh noes Dec 18 11:36:31 1337EET Dec 18 11:36:40 :) Dec 18 11:36:42 yeah! Dec 18 11:36:45 hah Dec 18 11:36:50 The eastern americans have it better, they have 1337EST Dec 18 11:36:55 inz: did you compile the fancypants xterm for os2008 yet btw? Dec 18 11:37:11 since it has the stuff we left out for style/consistency reasons from the included one Dec 18 11:37:20 I know some people have requested that one Dec 18 11:37:32 * tigert likes the included one though, suits me better than the tabs etc Dec 18 11:37:37 337 right now :) Dec 18 11:38:06 tigert, nah, I read the code of the bundled one and got depressed Dec 18 11:38:36 oh? Dec 18 11:38:40 fancy terminal? got a link? Dec 18 11:44:44 http://maemo-hackers.org/xterm, wasn't it? Dec 18 11:45:12 no Dec 18 11:45:25 (maemo-hackers.org is s l o w) Dec 18 11:45:32 http://maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm Dec 18 11:46:17 now just needs chinook build :) Dec 18 11:48:27 we really do. The "built-in" is horrible (worse that maemo-hackers version at least) Dec 18 11:50:30 better than nothing though.. Dec 18 11:50:53 the built-in is quite usable Dec 18 11:51:25 I don't like it at all. It doens't have tabs etc Dec 18 11:51:49 well my usual use case is just ssh:in to remote host and detaching screen Dec 18 11:51:57 so lack of tabs doesn't bother me Dec 18 11:52:19 I need to attach to 3 screens :) Dec 18 11:52:43 kulve: nested screens, different meta-keys? Dec 18 11:52:45 well poor you then :) Dec 18 11:52:57 I had desktop files running xterm + "ssh remotehost", but I couldn't do that with the built-int Dec 18 11:54:06 terminals shouldn't have tabs... Dec 18 11:54:55 haha Dec 18 11:56:11 Relatively big bump in macromedia-flashplayer version (2.30-1 to 2.35-1) Dec 18 11:56:42 what we need is a bump in the Nokia shop discount code parsing component Dec 18 11:57:54 nokia.de reports 'still in stock' Dec 18 11:57:58 Indeed. My wife wants this N810 ASAP. Dec 18 11:58:14 tablet-browser-controls: 0.1.24-1 to 0.2.2-1. Dec 18 11:58:23 i just know they'll go on backorder as soon as I get the confirmation Dec 18 11:58:45 I feel like I'm in the lowest depths of Hell .. Dec 18 11:59:00 you must be coding something Dec 18 11:59:18 I'm testing hildonmm.. i've compiled a simple application, but it doesn't work.. it crash with this message 'Failed to open "/var/lib/dbus/machine-id": No such file or directory' Dec 18 11:59:22 No, I'm attempting to configure Exim for multiple domains :/ Dec 18 11:59:39 GNUton, you need to generate that file. Dec 18 11:59:59 dbus-uuidgen Dec 18 12:00:24 So: sudo sh -c "dbus-uuidgen > /var/lib/dbus/machine-id" Dec 18 12:00:59 alterego: ok works! :) Dec 18 12:01:03 done! :) Dec 18 12:01:14 What works? Dec 18 12:01:16 What's done? Dec 18 12:01:48 alterego: machine-id generated.. and yhe simple program start..! :) Dec 18 12:01:59 it doesn't crash anymore! Dec 18 12:02:03 Good. Dec 18 12:02:05 alterego: thank you! :) Dec 18 12:02:14 No problem. Dec 18 12:03:37 Sitting at Denny's....freaking Denny's Dec 18 12:04:45 Was going to get myself a big juicy burger at Jack in the Box....but the employees locked themselves in and were asleep on the tables Dec 18 12:05:52 sometimes I hate working the night shift... Dec 18 12:06:06 BTW, am I missing something or does OS2008 have no visual indicator any more as to whether a WLAN is ad-hoc or infrastructure? Dec 18 12:06:54 it has Dec 18 12:07:01 as far as I know Dec 18 12:07:19 So, any first responses to the new release? Dec 18 12:07:58 Jaffa: should have ·)))) vs ·)))· in the icon? Dec 18 12:08:36 though I dont have that exact one installed, but the icons were updated a while ago so I guess they should be in that release Dec 18 12:08:50 I think wireless-tools has been released now Dec 18 12:09:07 so you can get all the details you want Dec 18 12:09:18 are the ipv6 tools in some repo for os200x? Dec 18 12:10:45 I'm probably just heading up into purgatory, trying to tweak the OGG bit reading code to use 16bit chars rather than 8bit. Uuurgh Dec 18 12:12:56 would someone with a clue talk to lardman please? i can't Dec 18 12:13:16 pupnik: don't worry, I'm making progress Dec 18 12:13:37 pupnik: crc code is tweaked, but there are more functions which need tweaking Dec 18 12:14:17 ok. please put comments in - maybe someone else can learn from them Dec 18 12:14:37 yeah, I'll do a patch against the original when I get it done Dec 18 12:15:29 tigert: you're joking, right? 3 bars rather than 4 is supposed to be the difference? Hollowed vs. filled was bad enough, but how as a user am I supposed to remember which is which (or, if I've only got one type shown, which it is) Dec 18 12:24:36 no Dec 18 12:24:43 two dots for ad-hoc Dec 18 12:24:59 maybe my ascii borked Dec 18 12:25:11 .)))) vs .))). Dec 18 12:25:52 adhoc has "two peers" in the metaphor Dec 18 12:26:06 even though its not totally correct technically Dec 18 12:26:22 since adhoc is not just peer-peer of course Dec 18 12:42:35 tigert: ok, I'll try reflashing and checking again. I even RTFMed and it said "ad-hoc connections show X, and infrastructure show Y" - but I couldn't see a difference between X & Y. Dec 18 12:44:57 yeah, hmm Dec 18 12:45:14 i will flash the 2008 on my n800 soon too Dec 18 12:45:32 lets see Dec 18 12:46:04 anyone have experience of updating asm code? Dec 18 12:46:40 I'm trying to work out whether I'd be better off updating some C54 asm to work on the C55, or just implementing the functions in C and possibly tweaking the asm from there Dec 18 12:47:40 Maintenance in C is going to be easier for other developers too, I guess. Dec 18 12:48:36 yes and there are lots of remark and warning messages emitted about this asm, would probably take a fair while to do Dec 18 12:48:47 though it may be necessary in the end to make it fast enough Dec 18 13:10:14 Hmm Nokia triple slider :) http://www.unwiredview.com/2007/12/17/triple-slider-idea-from-nokia/ Dec 18 13:12:23 That sounds like either a drink or a baseball pitch... or both. Dec 18 13:15:01 http://thankyoudodd.com/ Chris dodd courageously stands up for the constitution Dec 18 13:19:01 pupnik: :D Dec 18 13:21:49 Ouch Dec 18 13:22:48 pupnik: Britain wants to charge thousands of dollars to invite family in to the country :/ Dec 18 13:23:03 For visits Dec 18 13:23:40 hey Dec 18 13:23:50 do you know when the discount code will be accepted by nokia? Dec 18 13:24:03 fuck. "repair card" isn't fsck? Dec 18 13:32:22 mmf. Internal slot of my card is usable from PC (via usb cable), but not from n800. Anyone seen that before? Dec 18 13:33:04 it's the slot, not the card. tried switching internal/external card, and several things. things works externally, not in internal slot. Dec 18 13:39:18 power off/on Dec 18 13:40:25 removing battery, I guess? Dec 18 13:43:10 hmmf, that did it. Why didn't I think of that? (I just turned off/on via menu, although I should know that's not a full reboot) Dec 18 13:53:09 is there any gui application to turn on/off usb networking Dec 18 13:53:11 ? Dec 18 13:57:55 bah wrong channel Dec 18 13:57:57 sorry Dec 18 14:04:58 Got my 810 flashed and reasonably restored Dec 18 14:05:18 still working on my 800 Dec 18 14:05:41 3.8 KB/sec Dec 18 14:06:20 OS feels much more responsive than that which shipped on my 810 Dec 18 14:06:42 Was able to pair my headphones too Dec 18 14:07:19 don't think they are doing a2dp, but wasn't able to pair at all before Dec 18 14:10:47 jaffa: ping Dec 18 14:18:56 GRumble... os2008 is released Dec 18 14:19:11 but i cannot reflash my n800, what am i doing wrong ? Dec 18 14:19:25 root@satellite:/home/melmoth/tmp/maemo# /home/melmoth/bin/flasher-3.0-static -f -R RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Dec 18 14:19:28 flasher v0.9.0 (Jan 19 2007) Dec 18 14:19:30 Suitable USB device not found, waiting Dec 18 14:19:33 USB device found found at bus 004, device address 013 Dec 18 14:19:35 Found device RX-34, hardware revision 1301 Dec 18 14:19:38 NOLO version 1.1.6 Dec 18 14:19:40 Version of 'sw-release': Dec 18 14:20:44 timeless: pong Dec 18 14:25:36 jaffa: /join # please :) Dec 18 14:25:37 melmoth: what is the problem Dec 18 14:26:35 * timeless notes the irony Dec 18 14:28:15 are you referring to me timeless ? Dec 18 14:28:20 pupnik: wrong md5sum actually Dec 18 14:28:25 downloading the image again Dec 18 14:30:16 melmoth: you're not specifying a fiasco? Dec 18 14:30:37 thats true too, when i put the -F it complain about wrong size Dec 18 14:35:21 pupnik: doubtful, see server notices Dec 18 14:52:54 someone is using the wireless apple keyboard with n800 ? Dec 18 14:54:41 "Unfortunately due to the N800's seperate LCD controller it's practically impossible for it to use the powervr mbx." - m03ez Dec 18 14:56:18