**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 19 02:59:57 2007
Dec 19 03:00:08 <Skrylar> FMz: Sent a PM
Dec 19 03:00:18 <skibur> thoughtfix
Dec 19 03:00:25 <thoughtfix> Yes?
Dec 19 03:00:50 <skibur> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=110857#post110857
Dec 19 03:00:56 <skibur> might be good
Dec 19 03:01:40 <thoughtfix> can you send that to tips@thoughtfix.com for me? I'm backlogged on articles.
Dec 19 03:01:44 <fnordianslippers> night all.
Dec 19 03:03:07 <skibur> o ok
Dec 19 03:03:23 <FMz> Wow... video-conferencing is beautiful.
Dec 19 03:03:33 <Skrylar> You weren't interrupting :P
Dec 19 03:03:38 <Skrylar> It doesn't appear to be working oO
Dec 19 03:03:55 <FMz> What doesn't?
Dec 19 03:04:07 <Skrylar> the yellow blobs in the video :P
Dec 19 03:04:25 <FMz> Ahh... lol
Dec 19 03:04:52 <shackan> FMz: video conferencing with another tablet or what?
Dec 19 03:05:16 <FMz> Yeah, another tablet.  Skrylar and I just tested it between us.
Dec 19 03:05:46 <Skrylar> I'm not sure if you can conference with more than two people tho
Dec 19 03:06:03 <astro76> skibur, wow thanks, I have that case and didn't even consider trying to fit the keyboard in there
Dec 19 03:06:06 <FMz> I don't believe you can.
Dec 19 03:06:21 <FMz> I'm reading that Gizmo has a beta out to allow conferencing to desktop
Dec 19 03:07:15 <skibur> thoughtfix    I sent it already
Dec 19 03:07:31 <thoughtfix> yay thanks
Dec 19 03:07:32 <skibur> Let me know if you do something with it :P
Dec 19 03:07:33 <thoughtfix> got it
Dec 19 03:08:46 <skibur> cool
Dec 19 03:09:18 <FMz> Going to test Gizmo n800 to Desktop
Dec 19 03:09:43 <FMz> (Video conferencing)
Dec 19 03:12:38 * Skrylar wonders if the gizmo in the maemo repository will do it
Dec 19 03:15:44 <mozillar> hello
Dec 19 03:16:17 <mozillar> is anyone here?
Dec 19 03:16:21 <mozillar> I need some maemo help
Dec 19 03:16:31 <mozillar> ?
Dec 19 03:16:34 <mozillar> ?
Dec 19 03:16:36 <mozillar> please?
Dec 19 03:18:59 <mozillar> hello
Dec 19 03:19:07 <mozillar> is anyone here?
Dec 19 03:19:11 <mozillar> can someone help me?
Dec 19 03:19:13 <FMz> Yo?
Dec 19 03:19:14 <mozillar> I need help
Dec 19 03:19:16 <mozillar> yes
Dec 19 03:19:17 <mozillar> hello
Dec 19 03:19:17 <FMz> what's up?
Dec 19 03:19:23 <FMz> Hello
Dec 19 03:19:38 <mozillar> I saw this program called juploadr that was a flickr uploader
Dec 19 03:19:47 <mozillar> it is free software, can I compile that for Maemo?
Dec 19 03:20:01 <zerojay> Do you have the source code?
Dec 19 03:20:36 <mozillar> yes
Dec 19 03:20:44 <mozillar> .tar.gz
Dec 19 03:20:46 <zerojay> Let me guess, it's Java?
Dec 19 03:20:51 <FMz> heh
Dec 19 03:21:48 <mozillar> oh maemo does not have java vm
Dec 19 03:21:49 <mozillar> woops
Dec 19 03:22:56 <mozillar> so no?
Dec 19 03:23:06 <zerojay> Yeah. No.
Dec 19 03:25:09 <skibur> its not skeebur
Dec 19 03:25:16 <skibur> its skybur
Dec 19 03:25:29 <skibur> skibur
Dec 19 03:27:37 <skibur> well hackers
Dec 19 03:27:40 <skibur> need to jet
Dec 19 03:27:58 <skibur> hack on
Dec 19 03:29:08 <mozillar> hello
Dec 19 03:29:12 <mozillar> is anyone on?
Dec 19 03:29:33 <zerojay> You can't see the list of over 240 people sitting here idle?
Dec 19 03:29:45 <zerojay> Ah.. you're using a web browser.
Dec 19 03:29:48 <zerojay> Never mind.
Dec 19 03:30:50 <mozillar> I tried the gecko browser
Dec 19 03:31:03 <mozillar> and I tried overclocking it in about:config
Dec 19 03:31:08 <mozillar> with allowing pipelining
Dec 19 03:31:12 <zerojay> Don't do that.
Dec 19 03:31:18 <zerojay> That's not overclocking.
Dec 19 03:31:28 <mozillar> well I went back to opera
Dec 19 03:31:44 <zerojay> Second, it causes extra load on the servers you are connecting to, which makes website owners very angry.
Dec 19 03:31:55 <Anastasia> zerojay: Flash the new image the usual way?  ./flasher-3.0 -F
Dec 19 03:32:01 <mozillar> yeah I know
Dec 19 03:32:11 <Anastasia> First do a backup might be wise too :)
Dec 19 03:32:15 <zerojay> Anastasia: Flash it whatever way you usually do it.
Dec 19 03:32:20 <mozillar> I have a question
Dec 19 03:32:28 <mozillar> I allways have to hard reset/flash my n800
Dec 19 03:32:29 <wiredless> evening all
Dec 19 03:32:36 <zerojay> Why?
Dec 19 03:32:37 <Anastasia> zerojay: OK, thanks, that is what I did last time.
Dec 19 03:32:38 <mozillar> after I change the theme sometimes it messes up
Dec 19 03:33:22 <zerojay> There's been a bug in the past about restoring from a backup causing graphical issues, but it didn't appear to happen in any recent firmware.
Dec 19 03:33:22 <mozillar> Also
Dec 19 03:33:24 <wiredless> would anyone happen to have ( and be kind enough to send me) maemo hackers edition 2007 for 770?
Dec 19 03:33:39 <zerojay> Just get it from maemo.org.
Dec 19 03:33:51 <wiredless> tablet dev is wacked today
Dec 19 03:34:02 <zerojay> It's getting bombarded.
Dec 19 03:34:02 <wiredless> downloads not happening
Dec 19 03:34:05 <mozillar> I saw this chatsniff program
Dec 19 03:34:06 <wiredless> yeah
Dec 19 03:34:10 <mozillar> free software witha .deb
Dec 19 03:34:16 <mozillar> and I want to instal lit
Dec 19 03:34:19 <mozillar> it is not java
Dec 19 03:34:38 <zerojay> mozillar: It has to be compiled for ARM.
Dec 19 03:34:40 <wiredless> why im here askin otherwise id download it myself
Dec 19 03:35:17 <mozillar> how?
Dec 19 03:35:31 <wiredless> would like to sell my 770 but u have to get it back to clean working order again
Dec 19 03:36:08 <zerojay> You'll have to get a .deb that has the program already compiled for ARM. Ask the program's author if he has it. If not, you'll have to learn how to crosscompile and I think that's probably way way out of your league.
Dec 19 03:36:30 <mozillar> yes I think it is
Dec 19 03:37:12 <Anastasia> zerojay: Just FWIW, should I wait to see if there are problems with the 2008SE(etc) release before I have to redo everything after installing it?
Dec 19 03:37:32 <zerojay> That's up to you.
Dec 19 03:37:43 <Anastasia> Not sure if it is a beta release or a real one :-).
Dec 19 03:38:05 <zerojay> The one released today is a final.
Dec 19 03:38:38 <Anastasia> Still trying to find out what has changed.  I'm still pretty new to the n800 and finally got it all set up and hate to think about re-installing everything.
Dec 19 03:39:08 <gm> heh, nevermind about crosscompilers, i have the full dev environment on my n800 :)
Dec 19 03:39:09 <Anastasia> I presume that if I flash this, I have to re-install everything?
Dec 19 03:39:18 <gm> coding anywhere ftw :)
Dec 19 03:39:22 <mozillar> noob question: is there any way to compile programs using gui?
Dec 19 03:39:36 <Anastasia> Anyone know if the n800 will use the 16G SDHC cards?
Dec 19 03:39:58 <gm> i think so if you flash a sdhc kernel on
Dec 19 03:40:18 <Anastasia> So many questions, sigh.  Thanks!
Dec 19 03:40:36 <Skrylar> FMz: :D
Dec 19 03:41:30 <FMz> Awesome dude... that rocks
Dec 19 03:42:00 <FMz> thoughtfix: Just to let you know, video-conferencing between the n800 OS2008 and Gizmo beta works, if not a little finnicky.
Dec 19 03:42:23 <FMz> Thanks again for that Skrylar.  I'm off for the night, enjoy, bud :)
Dec 19 03:42:33 <Skrylar> G'night
Dec 19 03:44:14 <mozillar> has anyone gotten aircrack to work?
Dec 19 03:44:57 <Skrylar> Are the update servers still borked?
Dec 19 03:45:03 <gm> seems so
Dec 19 03:45:15 <gm> yep
Dec 19 03:47:32 <shackan> FMz: on the desktop?
Dec 19 03:53:33 <FMz> shackan: Yep
Dec 19 04:11:13 <gm> sshfs is cool - i can mount my n800 as a filesystem
Dec 19 04:11:32 <gm> without having to mess with any filesharing on the n800
Dec 19 04:12:23 <Skrylar> I use rsync
Dec 19 04:22:42 <_Shurik_> hola
Dec 19 04:23:06 <_Shurik_> anyone got md5 for firmware?
Dec 19 04:24:11 <Anastasia> 89e0661318f60420c691f4e1dd0c6ba3  RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Dec 19 04:24:36 <_Shurik_> Anastasia: thank you!
Dec 19 04:24:48 <Anastasia> Most welcome Sir!
Dec 19 04:41:49 * |R wonders why camera record feature was yanked after version 2.7 :*
Dec 19 04:42:42 <gm> it had a record feature?
Dec 19 04:43:16 <zerojay> There never was a record feature.
Dec 19 04:43:23 <zerojay> Still isn't.
Dec 19 04:43:24 <|R> yes there was
Dec 19 04:43:28 <zerojay> No, there wasn't.
Dec 19 04:43:33 <zerojay> You're talking about a different project.
Dec 19 04:43:34 <|R> dude, i was using it :P
Dec 19 04:43:38 <|R> uhm
Dec 19 04:43:43 <|R> well same interface and all
Dec 19 04:43:46 <zerojay> Yes.
Dec 19 04:43:50 <zerojay> But different project.
Dec 19 04:43:50 <|R> argh
Dec 19 04:43:53 <|R> :(
Dec 19 04:43:59 <zerojay> videocamera on Garage.
Dec 19 04:44:25 <|R> but even there, 2.9 yanked the video i think but not 2.7
Dec 19 04:44:32 <zerojay> Nope.
Dec 19 04:44:39 <|R> ok i'm seriously confused ;)
Dec 19 04:44:48 <zerojay> The official Nokia versions of camera never had video.
Dec 19 04:44:54 <zerojay> Only videocamera.
Dec 19 04:44:58 <|R> yes yes ok
Dec 19 04:45:00 <zerojay> Which had the name "camera" in the past.
Dec 19 04:45:18 <|R> but i mean, even their version of record was yanked? (let me try ;)
Dec 19 04:45:20 <zerojay> 2.7, 2.9, those are version numbers for videocamera.
Dec 19 04:45:35 <zerojay> Nope.
Dec 19 04:45:41 <zerojay> Still there in 2.9.
Dec 19 04:46:02 <|R> uhm ok .. did they have the same version at one point then the nokia one?
Dec 19 04:46:08 <zerojay> Nope.
Dec 19 04:46:28 <zerojay> Don't think so.
Dec 19 04:47:11 <zerojay> Actually, not sure on that.
Dec 19 04:47:15 <zerojay> Too sleepy to find out.
Dec 19 04:47:38 <|R> ok, so on garage, videocamera links to camera project with version 2.7 and 2.9... when installing 2.9 i get a nokia EULA... does that makes sense?
Dec 19 04:47:53 <zerojay> Yes.
Dec 19 04:48:21 <zerojay> Because videocamera is based upon camera's code.
Dec 19 04:48:40 <|R> ah ha!
Dec 19 04:48:44 <|R> :)
Dec 19 04:48:55 <zerojay> You're far from the only person to be confused about all this, by the way.
Dec 19 04:49:11 <zerojay> And you should give gps-camera a shot. Even if you don't have GPS, it's a much better program.
Dec 19 04:49:18 <zerojay> Flickr uploads too.
Dec 19 04:49:26 <|R> hehe, in 2007 i had camera on old because it always wanted to "upgrade" to a non working (no video) verison ;)
Dec 19 04:49:34 <|R> err old -> hold
Dec 19 04:49:45 <|R> oh, ok then
Dec 19 04:50:07 <|R> let's try it before removing the OS2008 camera ;)
Dec 19 04:53:46 <|R> but urhm, gpscamera only does screenshots?
Dec 19 04:55:58 <sgehrman> tried downloading the latest n810 updater
Dec 19 04:56:00 <sgehrman> it failed
Dec 19 04:56:04 <sgehrman> what is the deal?
Dec 19 04:56:09 <sgehrman> anyone know?
Dec 19 04:56:48 <sgehrman> Nokia sucks.  This n810 is complete crap
Dec 19 04:56:58 <kupesoft> sgehrman: Thanks for sharing
Dec 19 04:57:12 <sgehrman> super slow
Dec 19 04:57:18 <sgehrman> can't watch videos
Dec 19 04:57:28 <sgehrman> stutters
Dec 19 04:57:31 <sgehrman> scrolls super slow
Dec 19 04:58:02 <sgehrman> real active list
Dec 19 04:58:12 <sgehrman> I can see why now this OS is so lame
Dec 19 04:58:52 <sgehrman> I've got some advice
Dec 19 04:58:59 <sgehrman> this maemo crap is a dead end
Dec 19 04:59:07 <sgehrman> don't waste your time
Dec 19 04:59:15 <sgehrman> switch to a real OS
Dec 19 04:59:17 <kupesoft> You're wasting your time.
Dec 19 04:59:26 <|R> oh yes, i'm screwed actually, not the same hildon/gtk, i forgot ..
Dec 19 04:59:27 <kupesoft> Typing all that here,
Dec 19 04:59:51 <sgehrman> maemo can't even play video without choking
Dec 19 04:59:58 <sgehrman> it's a joke
Dec 19 05:00:36 <sgehrman> this is slower than my 1993 Newton
Dec 19 05:01:03 <Skryla1> Awesomesauce.
Dec 19 05:01:17 * Skryla1 got his bluetooth keyboard hooked up.
Dec 19 05:01:25 <sgehrman> who's the genius who came up with the name Maemo
Dec 19 05:01:36 <sgehrman> i still don't know how to pronounce it
Dec 19 05:01:38 <Skryla1> The awkward part, is that it won't work on any PC or Mac but it somehow works on the N800 XD
Dec 19 05:01:39 <|R> oh crap, no more video then.. :/
Dec 19 05:01:45 <msh_> sgehrman: why'd you buy one then? :)
Dec 19 05:01:46 <Skryla1> I always pronounced it may-mo
Dec 19 05:01:55 <sgehrman> i should return it
Dec 19 05:02:02 <|R> hehe Ma-eh-mo here :)
Dec 19 05:02:10 <|R> (but, well, french ...)
Dec 19 05:02:20 <tank-man> Q: how do I know if i am in red pill mode?  i got a used n800
Dec 19 05:02:34 <Skryla1> Unfortunately, the keyboard is about 4x as wide as the N800, lol
Dec 19 05:02:42 <|R> tank-man options in application managers
Dec 19 05:02:52 <|R> there should be a lot more i think (can't remember which though)
Dec 19 05:03:40 <Skryla1> F6 appears to be the fullscreen key
Dec 19 05:04:03 <sgehrman> Here's a name idea for Maemo : MNU
Dec 19 05:04:08 <sgehrman> Maemo's not usable
Dec 19 05:04:15 <Skryla1> :(
Dec 19 05:04:32 <Skryla1> It's not that bad of an OS. I've used worse ones. :P
Dec 19 05:04:53 <sgehrman> the problem is probably this super slow n810
Dec 19 05:04:59 <Skryla1> oO
Dec 19 05:05:08 <Skryla1> I thought N810s weren't supposed to be super slow.
Dec 19 05:05:18 <Skryla1> 400mhz or something
Dec 19 05:05:19 <|R> well, same as n800s...
Dec 19 05:05:33 <sgehrman> scrolling a web page takes about 4 seconds per millimeter
Dec 19 05:05:37 <Skryla1> 400mhz is actually pretty good for mobile devices...
Dec 19 05:05:55 <sgehrman> doesn't play video at all
Dec 19 05:05:58 <Skryla1> You might could attribute it to them changing over to Firefox, which is getting constantly more bloat added to it.
Dec 19 05:05:59 <ds3> 4 seconds per 0.039" isn't that horrible :P
Dec 19 05:06:09 <|R> well it does play video
Dec 19 05:06:22 <thoughtfix> So who wants to be my copy editor today?
Dec 19 05:06:25 <sgehrman> one frame per minute
Dec 19 05:06:29 <thoughtfix> I've been staring at this article for hours now
Dec 19 05:06:33 <|R> hehe
Dec 19 05:06:42 <tank-man> sgehrman, you using mplayer to play videos?
Dec 19 05:06:50 <|R> it's getting to late for me to be able to proof read articles... :/
Dec 19 05:06:52 <tank-man> i find it is pretty good
Dec 19 05:06:53 <|R> too
Dec 19 05:06:55 <|R> (see! ;)
Dec 19 05:06:55 <ds3> thoughtfix: are you the thoughtfix from the mobile blog?
Dec 19 05:07:03 <Skryla1> I wonder how hard it would be to just convert KHTML or WebKit down and use that instead of Opera or Firefox. It's not quite as bloaty and it's generally more compatible than opera
Dec 19 05:07:07 <thoughtfix> No - I just stole his name. Don't tell him
Dec 19 05:07:08 <thoughtfix> ;)
Dec 19 05:07:15 <|R> ds3 : no, he's a special modified cloned version doing reviews tonight
Dec 19 05:07:22 <|R> haha ;P
Dec 19 05:07:22 <ds3> ah okay =)
Dec 19 05:07:29 <Skryla1> thoughtfix is a clone? Oh teh noes.
Dec 19 05:07:29 <sgehrman> anyone have a phone number to Nokia?
Dec 19 05:07:38 <sgehrman> I want to yell at them for ripping me off
Dec 19 05:07:49 <Skryla1> Did you order it straight from Nokia?
Dec 19 05:07:54 <sgehrman> no
Dec 19 05:08:17 <Skryla1> If you don't like it, you could always take it back. Or I assume you could, unless it's been too long.
Dec 19 05:08:47 <sgehrman> I might, but will wait to see if the new update is better
Dec 19 05:08:49 <|R> sgehrman : what were you looking for (trying to do) ?
Dec 19 05:09:09 <Skryla1> JR: It sounds like he doesn't like the responsiveness.
Dec 19 05:09:27 <sgehrman> also, I'm on Mac, not Windows or linux
Dec 19 05:09:29 <thoughtfix> http://tabletblog.com/2007/12/internet-tablet-os2008-review.html
Dec 19 05:09:33 <sgehrman> I can't run the updater
Dec 19 05:09:33 <thoughtfix> Gah
Dec 19 05:09:37 <thoughtfix> That hurt my head
Dec 19 05:09:47 <thoughtfix> Let me know if you see any errors or typos
Dec 19 05:09:58 <Skryla1> Youtube on the N800 is pretty abysmal, but if you let the video fully download before trying to play then you can actually get a pretty decent FPS.
Dec 19 05:10:49 <sgehrman> says mac instructions are on the maemo site
Dec 19 05:10:53 <sgehrman> i didn't see them
Dec 19 05:11:05 <Skryla1> The mac instructions involve ugly console commands I believe.
Dec 19 05:11:25 <sgehrman> i ran the windows updater 5 times and it constantly failed
Dec 19 05:11:40 <Skryla1> oh, nokia's site is extremely brittle
Dec 19 05:11:50 <Skryla1> I think they're bogged with all the N800 users trying to do an OS update
Dec 19 05:12:01 <thoughtfix> Hahaha
Dec 19 05:12:01 <thoughtfix> yes
Dec 19 05:12:03 <thoughtfix> yes they are
Dec 19 05:12:07 <thoughtfix> and I mentioned that in my review
Dec 19 05:12:46 <Skryla1> This is much nicer with the keyboard.
Dec 19 05:13:22 <Anastasia> nokia's site has been brittle since I started trying to go to it :-(.
Dec 19 05:13:27 * Skryla1 wishes he had a tetherable phone so he could run OpenRPG or something on the upcoming road trip :(
Dec 19 05:13:39 <Skryla1> You wouldn't happen to know any Sidekick 3 hacks would you? :P
Dec 19 05:14:06 <thoughtfix> So - any typos/errors in the review found yet?
Dec 19 05:14:16 * Skryla1 goes to read it
Dec 19 05:14:53 <thoughtfix> Thanks
Dec 19 05:15:09 <Skryla1> Amagad
Dec 19 05:15:10 <sgehrman> how can I update to the latest version?
Dec 19 05:15:13 <Skryla1> Javascript errors!
Dec 19 05:15:26 <sgehrman> It failed to download at the maemo site and nokias site
Dec 19 05:15:47 <sgehrman> here's a question
Dec 19 05:15:48 <ds3> nice SDHC default
Dec 19 05:15:55 <sgehrman> why no .mov format support
Dec 19 05:16:06 <sgehrman> I've got gigs of videos from my camera, all .mov
Dec 19 05:17:30 <lle2> sgehrman: devices of this category are pretty hard pressed to play any video at all
Dec 19 05:17:36 <thoughtfix> Huh
Dec 19 05:17:37 <thoughtfix> I wonder
Dec 19 05:17:46 <thoughtfix> (puts his digital camera's card into his N800)
Dec 19 05:18:01 <Skryla1> thoughtfix: Lucky you
Dec 19 05:18:11 <Skryla1> with your tetherable phone and its data plan :(
Dec 19 05:18:26 <thoughtfix> Hahah
Dec 19 05:18:32 <thoughtfix> That tetherable phone cost me $600
Dec 19 05:18:51 <thoughtfix> and the data plan: $108/mo after tax for voice and data
Dec 19 05:18:51 <Skryla1> iphone?
Dec 19 05:18:51 <thoughtfix> Nokia N95-3
Dec 19 05:19:18 <Skryla1> Sidekick 3's might as well not even have bluetooth
Dec 19 05:19:45 <Skryla1> T-Mobile crippled it to the point where basically the only good it is, is transferring vcards to other sidekicks
Dec 19 05:19:56 <thoughtfix> DAMN... My Powershot S5-IS videos can't play on the tablet
Dec 19 05:19:58 <ds3> thoughtfix: how you liking the EeePC?
Dec 19 05:20:01 <Skryla1> you can't even exchange MP3s or pictures with your computer with it
Dec 19 05:20:02 <thoughtfix> "File Format Not Supported"
Dec 19 05:20:05 <Anastasia> thoughtfix: Do I infer that there is a review of the new OS someplace.
Dec 19 05:20:09 <thoughtfix> ds3: It's a fun pain in the ass
Dec 19 05:20:14 <thoughtfix> http://thoughtfix.com/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page
Dec 19 05:20:16 <Anastasia> thoughtfix: Same problem with my S2IS,,,
Dec 19 05:20:17 <thoughtfix> ooops
Dec 19 05:20:19 <thoughtfix> wrong link
Dec 19 05:20:27 <thoughtfix> http://tabletblog.com/2007/12/internet-tablet-os2008-review.html
Dec 19 05:20:30 <Anastasia> thoughtfix: thanks.
Dec 19 05:20:37 <ds3> thoughtfix: would you have that as your only x86 machine?
Dec 19 05:20:55 <thoughtfix> No. My iMac Core2 Duo 2.0 is too valuable as an x86 machine ;)
Dec 19 05:21:01 <Skryla1> :)
Dec 19 05:21:06 <Skryla1> Yay for macs.
Dec 19 05:21:23 <thoughtfix> When I got heavy into content production - especially VIDEO production - I needed a Mac
Dec 19 05:21:30 <sgehrman> question.  90% of wifi fails to get an ip address.   why does it always fail?
Dec 19 05:21:39 <sgehrman> no problems on my macbook
Dec 19 05:21:41 <Skryla1> Technically you don't /need/ a mac, since you can get adobe premier and after effects on a PC
Dec 19 05:21:51 <Skryla1> But Macs are generally really nice
Dec 19 05:21:59 <thoughtfix> Ahuh
Dec 19 05:22:01 <thoughtfix> Fast too
Dec 19 05:22:04 <ds3> hmmm. okay... been wanting to convert to all ARM but need an x86 around for those odd jobs
Dec 19 05:22:13 <Skryla1> oO
Dec 19 05:22:18 <thoughtfix> Like video conversion? ;)
Dec 19 05:22:20 <Skryla1> Why on earth would you convert  completely over to ARM?
Dec 19 05:22:30 <thoughtfix> Skryla1: High electric bill?
Dec 19 05:22:40 <Skryla1> Unless you've discovered a 2ghz ARM chip
Dec 19 05:22:40 <lle2> in-order execution feels safer?
Dec 19 05:23:01 <ds3> DSP for video conversion
Dec 19 05:23:29 <lle2> dsp != arm
Dec 19 05:23:46 <Skryla1> I didn't get any work done on my x86->ARM VM thingy
Dec 19 05:23:52 <ds3> close enuff
Dec 19 05:23:53 <Skryla1> Other than a minor pointer fix
Dec 19 05:23:57 <ds3> always ARM MP!
Dec 19 05:24:29 <lle2> heh
Dec 19 05:25:13 <lle2> it only took x86 about 15 years to get scaling going beyond 2 cores, you're going to have to be very careful with the workload
Dec 19 05:25:14 <Skryla1> I was reading the intel book on the CPU instructions earlier... does not look like fun stuff.
Dec 19 05:25:48 <sgehrman> who's the moron who decided to force people to take their batteries out to download the image?
Dec 19 05:26:06 <lle2> somebody's having a bad wednesday
Dec 19 05:26:07 <Skryla1> :P
Dec 19 05:26:17 <Skryla1> The N800 serial number isn't behind the battery
Dec 19 05:26:29 <sgehrman> i've got an 810
Dec 19 05:26:30 <Anastasia> No, it isn't :-)
Dec 19 05:26:46 <Skryla1> I do agree that's pretty idiotic to put the device serial back there, but then again I guess they figure statistically most people are on Windows XP and aren't going to be doing any device hacking.
Dec 19 05:26:57 <Skryla1> Though really, are there any non-hacked n800s XD
Dec 19 05:28:32 <kaie> hmm, no mirror for RX-44 yet
Dec 19 05:28:51 <Anastasia> I wrote mine down so I didn't have to keep taking the back off :)
Dec 19 05:29:09 <Skryla1> You can also use a fake serial :<
Dec 19 05:29:12 <Skryla1> Unofficially, that is.
Dec 19 05:29:20 <sgehrman> fails to download
Dec 19 05:29:30 <sgehrman> nokia is doomed
Dec 19 05:29:33 <sgehrman> they are morons
Dec 19 05:29:54 <Anastasia> Yep, their attention to the n* series is pretty abysmal...
Dec 19 05:30:01 <timeless> sgehrman: use about in control panel instead
Dec 19 05:30:14 <Skryla1> N series sales are probably abysmal, Anastasia
Dec 19 05:30:22 <Anastasia> Has my vote for the worst site on the net.
Dec 19 05:30:34 <Anastasia> Skryla1: Small wonder :)
Dec 19 05:30:46 <Skryla1> The price drop for n800s might fix that a bit though
Dec 19 05:31:07 <Anastasia> Not if people have to spend all day to find/get stuff for it...
Dec 19 05:31:21 <Skryla1> I'm curious why they advertise Pidgin for OS2008, but their own chat clients only do jabber
Dec 19 05:31:33 <Skryla1> Seems like if it's so glorious, you'd just plug in libPurple to your chat app
Dec 19 05:31:54 <Anastasia> Much for me to learn yet.
Dec 19 05:32:07 <timeless> what do you mean advertises pidgin?
Dec 19 05:32:11 <ds3> get it via software
Dec 19 05:32:14 <Skryla1> The front page for OS2008
Dec 19 05:32:24 <timeless> url?
Dec 19 05:32:28 <Skryla1> They had in big block letters, "Pidgin for OS2008, universal chat client"
Dec 19 05:32:45 <Skryla1> timeless: I don't see how that'd do you any good, seeing as their website is currently down.
Dec 19 05:33:01 <sgehrman> is there a working URL to get this update?
Dec 19 05:33:11 <timeless> skryla1: i'm trying to understand which site you're talking about
Dec 19 05:33:18 <Skryla1> Timeless: Nokia's
Dec 19 05:33:20 <timeless> there are 5-10 different content providers
Dec 19 05:33:28 <tank-man> sgehrman, get it off of a torrent and check the md5sum after
Dec 19 05:33:29 <timeless> maemo.org, tablets-dev, www.nokia.com
Dec 19 05:33:31 <ds3> I wonder if the built in jabber client supports the SSL modes
Dec 19 05:33:32 <timeless> nseries.com
Dec 19 05:33:43 <Skryla1> nokia.com/<something>
Dec 19 05:34:01 <Skryla1> ds3: I believe it does, since GTalk uses them
Dec 19 05:34:15 <Skryla1> and GTalk is just Jabber with big brother for a host :P
Dec 19 05:34:33 <timeless> oh, that site
Dec 19 05:34:46 <sgehrman> timeless: all those fail
Dec 19 05:34:58 <timeless> ok, europe.nokia.com/A4579470
Dec 19 05:35:08 <Skryla1> Is there actually a torrent for the update?
Dec 19 05:35:19 <sgehrman> that was downloading the older update
Dec 19 05:35:25 <sgehrman> and failed to update
Dec 19 05:35:45 <timeless> skyrla1: it's not allowed, but that doens't mean people don't ignore the rules
Dec 19 05:36:15 <Skryla1> heh
Dec 19 05:36:43 <Skryla1> Guess it helps somewhat when you actually make said something available to the people who gave you money :X
Dec 19 05:36:47 <timeless> anyway... the reason things like pidgin are on the list
Dec 19 05:37:03 <sgehrman> does pidgin do video chat?
Dec 19 05:37:04 <timeless> is that the guy who built content for the site was looking for things that worked reasonably well
Dec 19 05:37:06 <sgehrman> or AIM?
Dec 19 05:37:14 <timeless> and there weren't many choices
Dec 19 05:37:23 <Skryla1> Pidgin does not do video or audio chat, but it does do text for pretty much all networks
Dec 19 05:37:25 <timeless> i'm not saying pidgin is good or bad
Dec 19 05:37:34 <sgehrman> it's useless then
Dec 19 05:37:40 <Skryla1> It *might* do file transfers as well
Dec 19 05:37:42 <timeless> jablet also lets the native client handle pretty much anything
Dec 19 05:37:57 <Skryla1> But Nokia's video chat is nigh worthless until recently :P
Dec 19 05:38:03 <timeless> the person who essentially owns that page isn't beholden to the nokia software team
Dec 19 05:38:28 <timeless> nokiia is still a hardware group... hardware asks for software, hardware markets itself
Dec 19 05:38:35 <timeless> hardware markets whatever it feels like marketting
Dec 19 05:38:37 <Skryla1> Gizmo 4 on the n* can video out to Gizmo 4 on the PC, but if you aren't running OS2008 on the N* and windows XP on the desktop, it's still somewhat useless
Dec 19 05:39:43 <timeless> presumably gizmo would add video for other clients eventually
Dec 19 05:40:04 * timeless wonders what webot is
Dec 19 05:40:05 <Skryla1> We didn't check the other protocols
Dec 19 05:44:01 <kupesoft> any mirrors for os2008?
Dec 19 05:44:02 <sgehrman> Why is Nokia so pathetic.  Obviously there are people who use Mac OS, but they didn't feel the need to create a mac updater
Dec 19 05:44:27 <kupesoft> sgehrman: give it a rest,
Dec 19 05:44:37 <sgehrman> I want an answer
Dec 19 05:44:38 <sgehrman> why
Dec 19 05:44:48 <tank-man> sounds like the n810 was an impulse buy for you
Dec 19 05:44:57 <gm> there is a mac updater
Dec 19 05:45:01 <sgehrman> where
Dec 19 05:45:07 <kupesoft> Ask someone who works for Nokia, this channel for maemo
Dec 19 05:45:12 <sgehrman> I couldnt find it
Dec 19 05:45:18 <gm> the site that it's on is down
Dec 19 05:45:23 <gm> it's on maemo.org somewhere
Dec 19 05:45:34 <sgehrman> i searched, but didn't find it
Dec 19 05:45:44 <gm> flasher-2.0-macosx is what you want
Dec 19 05:45:46 <Skryla1> sgehrman: I would just give it a day or two for the website to cool down, it should be fine then.
Dec 19 05:45:51 <gm> i have a mac and i managed to put os2008 on my n800
Dec 19 05:46:07 <kupesoft> You could live boot linux on your mac,
Dec 19 05:46:10 <sgehrman> danka
Dec 19 05:46:36 <gm> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5731
Dec 19 05:46:55 <gm> or you could compile 0xFFFF yourself
Dec 19 05:47:22 <thoughtfix> awww
Dec 19 05:47:26 <thoughtfix> someone diggd me
Dec 19 05:48:37 <Anastasia> Lots of folks dig ya :-)
Dec 19 05:49:02 <thoughtfix> The second OS2007 release with Skype got several hundred diggs
Dec 19 05:49:06 <thoughtfix> http://digg.com/gadgets/TabletBlog_reviews_OS2008_for_the_Nokia_Internet_Tablets
Dec 19 05:49:13 <thoughtfix> Hope this one gets at least one dozen :D
Dec 19 05:49:21 <thoughtfix> (yes I am begging)
Dec 19 05:49:22 <thoughtfix> ;)
Dec 19 05:49:39 <Skryla1> :P
Dec 19 05:49:55 <Skryla1> Use your evil N800 botnet to give yourself hundreds of digs
Dec 19 05:50:24 <thoughtfix> Good idea!
Dec 19 05:50:50 <Skryla1> I bet you could buy 50 diggs from china for $0.20
Dec 19 05:51:03 <thoughtfix> But those are China diggs
Dec 19 05:51:14 <Skryla1> You'd rather have zombie botnet diggs?
Dec 19 05:51:24 <thoughtfix> They probably come from some child labor Digg sweat shop
Dec 19 05:51:24 * shackan resumes his digg account from the ashes
Dec 19 05:51:47 * Skryla1 notes that the article has been dugg by both Zombee and Brains
Dec 19 05:52:12 <shackan> mm, whom ?
Dec 19 05:52:49 <shackan> thoughtfix: oww, just one digg?
Dec 19 05:52:51 * Skryla1 mmm bowl of fatty potato chips.
Dec 19 05:53:05 <thoughtfix> The article is only an hour old if that ;)
Dec 19 05:53:09 <Skryla1> :P
Dec 19 05:53:23 <Skryla1> It takes a little while to circulate. Most RSS feeds only update every couple hours, if not once a day.
Dec 19 05:53:43 <Skryla1> RSS feed readers, that is
Dec 19 05:53:52 <|R> thoughtfix : now up to 2 ;) (digg)
Dec 19 05:54:14 <thoughtfix> Right
Dec 19 05:54:16 <thoughtfix> I am patient
Dec 19 05:54:30 <thoughtfix> Most of my traffic will be tomorrow morning on that article
Dec 19 05:54:58 * |R can't stand digg anymore though..
Dec 19 05:55:01 <Skryla1> I read that Halo 3 prevented a recession.
Dec 19 05:55:28 * Skryla1 questions the value of news coming off of Something Awful
Dec 19 05:55:34 <thoughtfix> Hahahaha
Dec 19 05:55:38 <|R> haha :)
Dec 19 05:55:54 <Skryla1> He said that if we all spent our money wisely, the economy would crash, and so we must buy every halo product that comes out.
Dec 19 05:56:08 <Anastasia> OK, I gotta go find mplayer.
Dec 19 05:56:12 <Skryla1> Because Xblocks keep the economy alive.XD
Dec 19 05:56:16 <Skryla1> Mplayer is that way
Dec 19 05:56:18 * Skryla1 points
Dec 19 05:57:01 <|R> Setting up libpurple0 (2.3.1-0nix1) ...
Dec 19 05:57:02 <|R> gconftool-2: I've been haxored to use xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults as the config source.
Dec 19 05:57:13 <|R> urhm, and then 300lines of Installed schema :P
Dec 19 05:57:14 <Skryla1> oO
Dec 19 05:57:26 <Skryla1> What's that from? You don't need to do a source build to use pidgin
Dec 19 05:57:58 <|R> apt-get install pidgin-otr from it's dependancy libpurple0
Dec 19 05:58:06 <|R> its
Dec 19 05:58:13 <kupesoft> What is r&d mode?
Dec 19 05:58:22 <Skryla1> research & development
Dec 19 05:58:32 <kupesoft> I know, what's it provide that "production" mode doesn't?
Dec 19 05:58:38 <Skryla1> root access
Dec 19 05:58:47 <Skryla1> for serious hacking
Dec 19 05:59:00 <kupesoft> I can get root access on my "production mode", though..
Dec 19 05:59:03 <Khertan> pffff maemo team wish that all dev upload their deb to their repository extras and extras dev .... but they should change their server !!!! 35min to download 1.35Mo !!!! It's a shame
Dec 19 05:59:05 <Skryla1> Production>Red-Pill->R&D
Dec 19 05:59:17 <Anastasia> incompatible application package :-/.
Dec 19 05:59:20 <kupesoft> ^^ What does that mean,
Dec 19 05:59:52 <kupesoft> Skryla1: what does that mean?
Dec 19 05:59:56 <|R> am i the only one fed up with the mini-scroller on the desktop RSS ?
Dec 19 06:00:04 <Skryla1> levels of doom
Dec 19 06:00:08 <Anastasia> kupesoft: Dunno, but it is what I get trying to install mplayer :-(
Dec 19 06:01:54 <sgehrman> anyone have a phone number at Nokia headquarters?
Dec 19 06:02:38 <Skryla1> those aren't distributed
Dec 19 06:02:54 <sgehrman> that's why I'm asking
Dec 19 06:03:27 <Anastasia> What, you expect them to actually talk to thier cosumers?  Silly boy.
Dec 19 06:03:46 <unique311> ever heard of The holy mountain.
Dec 19 06:03:52 <unique311> http://www.stage6.com/user/piter_roberts/video/1961658/dissertation-834
Dec 19 06:04:12 <sgehrman> they won't even email customers
Dec 19 06:04:16 <sgehrman> I got a form letter back
Dec 19 06:04:38 <Anastasia> All the big businesses are getting like that.  Gimme your $$$ and **** you.
Dec 19 06:05:05 <Anastasia> Some have customer avoidance systems though :)
Dec 19 06:07:04 <Anastasia> I guess I need to go back to 2007 to get mplayer?!?
Dec 19 06:08:19 <|R> uhm no?
Dec 19 06:08:50 <Anastasia> incompatible application package :-/.
Dec 19 06:08:57 <Anastasia> on the n800 2008 OS.
Dec 19 06:09:21 <Skryla1> Can you do it in red-pill mode?
Dec 19 06:09:29 <|R> weird, just did apt-get 15 sec ago
Dec 19 06:09:33 <Anastasia> Hadn't tried that.
Dec 19 06:09:50 <Skryla1> Red-pill turns that off and does a raw apt-pkg install run
Dec 19 06:10:01 <Anastasia> Turned off red-pill so I could get through the app catalog in the same day :).
Dec 19 06:10:19 <Skryla1> You can turn it back off afterwards :P
Dec 19 06:10:20 <Anastasia> OK, will try that, thanks |R !
Dec 19 06:10:35 <Anastasia> Skryla1: I did?!?!
Dec 19 06:10:54 <Skryla1> hm?
Dec 19 06:10:58 * Skryla1 is now lost :(
Dec 19 06:11:07 <Anastasia> Iirc it is a toggle.
Dec 19 06:11:11 <Skryla1> No
Dec 19 06:11:16 <Anastasia> First time turns it on, second turns it off.
Dec 19 06:11:22 <Anastasia> At least under 2007
Dec 19 06:11:25 <Skryla1> It doesn't toggle, you pick the red pill or the blue pill
Dec 19 06:11:27 <Skryla1> :S
Dec 19 06:12:00 * |R prefers green pills
Dec 19 06:12:14 <Skryla1> Those pills are hax :(
Dec 19 06:12:39 <Anastasia> :-) OK, guess I got blue pill then and only 9 million gcompris and pidgeon packages :-).
Dec 19 06:13:06 <Skryla1> :S
Dec 19 06:14:56 <thoughtfix> Hmm
Dec 19 06:15:02 <thoughtfix> I have only a white pill and a blue pill
Dec 19 06:15:06 <thoughtfix> and I take them both
Dec 19 06:19:05 <Anastasia> My shrink says to do that too and don't forget even one :)
Dec 19 06:21:46 <Skryla1> I wonder how long it would take to write a quick puzzlequest clone for the trip
Dec 19 06:22:03 <Skryla1> Considering it's basically a glorified bejeweled, probably not long. :S
Dec 19 06:24:25 * Skryla1 continues to talk to himself after everybody has gone to bed due to it being 12am
Dec 19 06:26:49 <kulve> 08:24
Dec 19 06:27:08 <Anastasia> Nice thing about talking to yourself, you never loose an argument :).
Dec 19 06:27:18 <Anastasia> Well, not often anyway...
Dec 19 06:27:20 <Skryla1> I lose arguments with myself all the time.
Dec 19 06:27:39 * Skryla1 is a very lonely person.
Dec 19 06:27:52 <Anastasia> There is always IRC :)
Dec 19 06:28:03 <Skryla1> Not when everybodys asleep!
Dec 19 06:28:14 <Anastasia> You can talk to yourself anytime :)
Dec 19 06:28:20 <Skryla1> That's no fun.
Dec 19 06:28:25 <Skryla1> I already know what I'm going to say to myself.
Dec 19 06:28:42 <Anastasia> Not me, I surprise myself often.
Dec 19 06:28:54 <Skryla1> I saved myself from some bad impulse buying earlier :S
Dec 19 06:29:05 <Anastasia> onlt 2230 here, you must be in CST.
Dec 19 06:29:14 <Skryla1> Was going to get that game the guys  from new westwood made
Dec 19 06:29:17 <Anastasia> Me too, too broke to do it :)
Dec 19 06:29:33 <Skryla1> It's not even pirate worthy.
Dec 19 06:29:41 <Skryla1> Multiplayer is that stupid Windows LIVE garbage
Dec 19 06:29:51 <Anastasia> Ewwwww
Dec 19 06:30:01 <Skryla1> "lol i bet if we charged 50$ for stuff battle.net doez 4 free, ppl would buy it"
Dec 19 06:30:08 * Anastasia doesn't support "entertainment" mafias anymore.
Dec 19 06:30:18 <Skryla1> Such is the Xblock 360 creed, I suppose.
Dec 19 06:30:36 <Skryla1> People are paying yearly to play Halo when every other game out there has no such fee. Even the PC version of Halo 1 is free.
Dec 19 06:30:58 <Anastasia> Never quite got bitten by the game console bug.
Dec 19 06:31:07 <Skryla1> I loathe the xblock
Dec 19 06:31:22 <Skryla1> It tends to attract 'tards, with some exceptions.
Dec 19 06:31:51 <Skryla1> So the game makers dumb everything down for those tards, so something like Daggerfall and Morrowind get watered down a lot in to Oblivion who's main selling point is "lol it pretty"
Dec 19 06:32:00 <Anastasia> I no longer do ANTHING m$...
Dec 19 06:32:17 <Anastasia> Tempted to get COD4 that wasn't bad.
Dec 19 06:32:30 <Skryla1> Amusingly, consoles aren't *that* powerful. If you consider the fact that consoles commonly render in 640x480
Dec 19 06:32:35 <Anastasia> Got the demo and gave that a go.  Unlike something like doom, it didn't make me sick.
Dec 19 06:33:08 <Skryla1> I wasn't ensnared by COD4
Dec 19 06:33:10 <Anastasia> I think this box is at least more versatile than a game box.  Maybe as fast, dunno.
Dec 19 06:33:15 <Skryla1> Quake Wars is tempting, though.
Dec 19 06:33:30 <Anastasia> I really had a good time with OFP, that was a LOT of fun with a couple good people.
Dec 19 06:33:38 <Skryla1> I think my desktop is more powerful than a 360 :|
Dec 19 06:33:45 <Skryla1> I even have a 360 controller plugged in to it right now
Dec 19 06:34:12 <Anastasia> amd xp4200+/2G PC3200/Nvidia 6600GT/128<
Dec 19 06:34:19 <Skryla1> Anastasia: You know, I have been off and on trying to get someone to play operation flashpoint.
Dec 19 06:34:20 <Anastasia> x2
Dec 19 06:34:54 <Anastasia> We used to have a real team but everyone got RL involvements and drifted off.
Dec 19 06:34:55 <Skryla1> It's on Gametap, though I've lost my <3 for them since they pulled about 70 games with barely any notice and decided that user communication isn't important
Dec 19 06:35:28 <Anastasia> Tried a couple of those kind of things, very unimpressive.
Dec 19 06:35:36 <Anastasia> Lots of (pardon) real asses...
Dec 19 06:35:48 <Skryla1> What? Multiplayer OFP?
Dec 19 06:36:08 <Skryla1> I found it's best if it's a pre-assembled group from an IRC channel.
Dec 19 06:36:11 <Anastasia> Did that with a closed and VERY good group (all ex mil except for me :-).
Dec 19 06:36:22 <Skryla1> we did that once with TF2
Dec 19 06:36:28 <Anastasia> F2 ?
Dec 19 06:36:33 <Anastasia> TF2?
Dec 19 06:36:38 <Skryla1> Except one guy decided to bring a bunch of his goon troll friends and ruin it for everyone
Dec 19 06:36:41 <Skryla1> team fortress 2
Dec 19 06:36:44 <Anastasia> Not much of gamer.
Dec 19 06:36:57 <Anastasia> Those kinds just ruin it big time.
Dec 19 06:37:14 <Anastasia> I even quit flying vatsim over issues like that.
Dec 19 06:37:33 <Anastasia> Some folks just got to be important...
Dec 19 06:37:34 <Skryla1> I ban SA goons on sight, unless they're just really really cool.
Dec 19 06:37:41 <Skryla1> I've noticed they're more problematic than random joiners
Dec 19 06:37:42 <Anastasia> SA?
Dec 19 06:37:49 <Skryla1> something awful
Dec 19 06:37:57 <Anastasia> Good on ya!
Dec 19 06:38:18 <Anastasia> Once we got all the Good Guys(TM) together we had some really GREAT times.
Dec 19 06:38:34 <Anastasia> Naval carrier ops in m$fs and OFP too.
Dec 19 06:38:49 <Skryla1> You know what's a fun game? Patched up Soldner
Dec 19 06:39:04 <Skryla1> IGN berated it because it actually has a ton of weapons and vehicles in it
Dec 19 06:39:07 <Anastasia> Never heard of it, as noted, not much of a gamer.
Dec 19 06:39:21 <tank-man> you know whats a fun game? counter strike
Dec 19 06:39:30 <Anastasia> Best thing about OFP was the programmability - sure made that work for us.
Dec 19 06:39:31 <Skryla1> Counter Strike is the epitome of boring
Dec 19 06:39:38 <tank-man> heh
Dec 19 06:39:52 <Anastasia> AI was just a little unrealistically sharp though.
Dec 19 06:39:57 <Skryla1> Whoever came up with the "spectate after death" system is a moron and should be shivved
Dec 19 06:40:06 <Anastasia> Over my head :-).
Dec 19 06:40:50 <Skryla1> I played OFP some until I got a new computer.
Dec 19 06:40:58 <Skryla1> Haven't bothered to reinstall it since then.
Dec 19 06:41:07 <Anastasia> Fun install IIRC.
Dec 19 06:41:24 <Skryla1> Not reallly :/
Dec 19 06:41:32 <Skryla1> I just go in and click "Download Game" and wait 30 minutes.
Dec 19 06:41:42 <Skryla1> Used to get something like 600kb/s from Gametap's servers
Dec 19 06:41:44 <Anastasia> Been so long since I booted the m$ partition, I don't know if it made it back in after the last time it committed suicude (m$xp)
Dec 19 06:42:03 <Skryla1> But the service has gone downhill and now I only get 600kb/s on a good day, I usually get 300 or less
Dec 19 06:42:15 <Anastasia> Lag is a killer in some of those games.
Dec 19 06:42:48 <Anastasia> Combat ops in fs98 was impossible, by the time you done it, it took forever for everyone to update to it.  Forgot that fast.
Dec 19 06:42:51 <Skryla1> Mech Warrior 3 is also <3
Dec 19 06:43:49 <Skryla1> I've given up the search for a good MMO.
Dec 19 06:44:00 <Anastasia> MMO?
Dec 19 06:44:16 * Anastasia is so ignorant about gaming stuff :-/.
Dec 19 06:44:22 <Skryla1> Star Wars Galaxies was one of the more likable ones, but Sony's decision to add levels and grind pretty much left it boring, grindy, and with a bit of a dead atmosphere
Dec 19 06:44:26 <Skryla1> MMORPG
Dec 19 06:44:38 <Skryla1> you know, those crappy everquest clones wherein you do nothing but grind for slightly better armor?
Dec 19 06:44:49 <Anastasia> No :-)
Dec 19 06:44:50 <Anastasia> LOL
Dec 19 06:44:56 <ckn_2k2> hi, i am new to Maemo. and I want to create my own package for Maemo application. is there any tutorial or example for that
Dec 19 06:45:09 * Skryla1 thinks.
Dec 19 06:45:20 <Anastasia> Yes, but the site may be overloaded with everyone snarfing the new OS release, lemme get the URL.
Dec 19 06:45:21 <Skryla1> Aren't they just debian packages?
Dec 19 06:45:48 <Anastasia> Yes, but SPECIFICALLY compiled for ARM.
Dec 19 06:45:52 <Anastasia> http://maemo.org/
Dec 19 06:46:19 <Anastasia> ckn_2k2:   Look at the development link, it is pretty painless to set up.
Dec 19 06:47:09 <Skryla1> Anastasia: Ultima Online was a legend
Dec 19 06:47:25 <Skryla1> It's pretty much the ONLY MMO that exists that isn't somehow a clone from Everquest
Dec 19 06:47:39 <Anastasia> My biggie for gaming has been m$fs, but I rarely do that anymore.
Dec 19 06:47:47 <ckn_2k2> Skrylal: i know this is a debian packages but how can i add icon to application menu using deskop file and service file and also how should my file structure look. Its confusing on Maemo.org, so if anybody have any simple example then it will be very helpful
Dec 19 06:48:09 <Skryla1> Isn't the app icon just a png or something stored in the share folder?
Dec 19 06:48:16 <Anastasia> ckn_2k2: Things are kind of sparse here now and I am sure no developer, sorry.
Dec 19 06:48:16 <Skryla1> And referenced from the menu entry's config file
Dec 19 06:48:46 * Skryla1 would look if it wasn't for said snarfing.
Dec 19 06:49:44 <dragorn> if maemo.org is confusing, just unpack another deb and look at how it does it
Dec 19 06:50:24 <Skryla1> Or you could call the nokia headquarters
Dec 19 06:50:28 <Skryla1> XD XD XD
Dec 19 06:51:23 <ckn_2k2> from where can i get start up info about this maemo application packaging
Dec 19 06:56:34 <Skryla1> I bork how many times I can bork up this bork and it still make bork.
Dec 19 06:57:40 <Skryla1> me is lonely again :(
Dec 19 07:02:37 <ckn_2k2> Skrylal: can you guilde for Maemo Application Packaging
Dec 19 07:06:37 <kulve> ckn_2k2: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html
Dec 19 07:07:23 <timelyx> thoughtfix: your web site crashed my safari
Dec 19 07:07:34 <thoughtfix> My personal site or my blog?
Dec 19 07:07:43 <kulve> timelyx: fix your browser
Dec 19 07:08:41 <timelyx> thoughtfix: first
Dec 19 07:08:47 <thoughtfix> thoughtfix.com?
Dec 19 07:08:53 <timelyx> if you don't enable the extras repository, restoring applications won't work right
Dec 19 07:09:11 <timelyx> please fix your comment about restore to indicate that people really have to enable it first
Dec 19 07:09:20 <timelyx> http://tabletblog.com/2007/12/internet-tablet-os2008-review.html
Dec 19 07:09:29 <timelyx> that's yours, right?
Dec 19 07:09:54 <timelyx> kulve: i can't. it's the newest browser available form apple for os x 10.3.9
Dec 19 07:09:59 <timelyx> feel free to buy me a license for 10.5 :)
Dec 19 07:10:02 <thoughtfix> tabletblog.com and thoughtfix.com both load fine in Safari 3.0.4 on an Intel iMac with Leopard
Dec 19 07:10:31 <kulve> timelyx: yeah I know. My point just was that bad input is no excuse for any app to crash (even though quite many do)
Dec 19 07:10:36 <thoughtfix> Switch to Firefox? ;)
Dec 19 07:11:10 <timelyx> kulve: oh, i'm not defending safari
Dec 19 07:11:17 <timelyx> bugzilla has a button which i call "click here to crash"
Dec 19 07:11:25 <kulve> any by "bad input" I didn't mean the content from those blogs ;)
Dec 19 07:11:28 <timelyx> thoughtfix: firefox3 doesn't support 10.3.9 either
Dec 19 07:11:29 <limepi> they're all terrible.
Dec 19 07:11:43 <timelyx> so i have my choice of 3 or so old browsers
Dec 19 07:11:58 <timelyx> thoughtfix: this url is yours, right?
Dec 19 07:11:58 <limepi> but this is like complaining that the model T was "too bumpy"
Dec 19 07:12:11 <thoughtfix> Yes
Dec 19 07:12:23 <timelyx> limepi: thoughtfix complained firefox crashed, i'm merely returning the favor
Dec 19 07:12:32 <thoughtfix> Hahahaha
Dec 19 07:12:54 <thoughtfix> I was watching an hour long video on Google Video and had 14 tabs open while researching the article.
Dec 19 07:12:56 <timelyx> thoughtfix: you might want to check the spelling of the os
Dec 19 07:13:12 <timelyx> (OS 2008, OS2008, ITOS 2008, ...)
Dec 19 07:13:12 <thoughtfix> Where?
Dec 19 07:13:19 <timelyx> i have no idea how it should be spelled :)
Dec 19 07:13:38 <thoughtfix> It's "Internet Tablet OS2008"
Dec 19 07:13:41 <limepi> I abuse the hell out of my browsers by opening about 15 windows with multiple tabs, and a bunch of open pdfs
Dec 19 07:13:58 * timelyx tends to have <4 safari windows w/ 0 tabs
Dec 19 07:14:02 <timelyx> (total)
Dec 19 07:14:12 <Anastasia> Night everyone, have a good one!
Dec 19 07:14:17 <timelyx> thoughtfix: "Mobile Phone wizard" is wrong
Dec 19 07:14:23 <Anastasia> Thanks for all the help and info!
Dec 19 07:14:25 <timelyx> since that kinda implies a proper name
Dec 19 07:14:36 <timelyx> and nokia names never uppercase the second word
Dec 19 07:14:45 <timelyx> i have no idea what the official internal name is, but i'm sure it isn't that
Dec 19 07:14:54 <timelyx> i'd probably just say "mobile phone wizard"
Dec 19 07:15:31 <timelyx> (in the us, i think it's an operator setup wizard or something)
Dec 19 07:16:01 <timelyx> of note, you use "mobile phone wizard" later
Dec 19 07:16:31 * timelyx wonders what HSDPA is :(
Dec 19 07:16:49 <thoughtfix> high speed download packet access
Dec 19 07:16:59 <kulve> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HSDPA
Dec 19 07:17:10 <thoughtfix> I fixed the caps on that wizard
Dec 19 07:17:11 <gm> very very fast mobile net access :)
Dec 19 07:17:29 <timelyx> thoughtfix: check the case for "Getting Started"
Dec 19 07:17:35 <timelyx> i'd assume it's "Getting started"
Dec 19 07:17:46 <timelyx> although, consistency isn't really a strong suite, so i could be wrong
Dec 19 07:18:08 <timelyx> "It's worth _the_ watch" ? :(
Dec 19 07:18:14 <kulve> timelyx: you are complaining a lot about case errors without knowning the answer ;)
Dec 19 07:18:16 <timelyx> => It's worth watching. ?
Dec 19 07:18:25 <timelyx> kulve: i know the rules
Dec 19 07:18:34 <timelyx> i just don't know offhand who breaks them
Dec 19 07:18:34 <thoughtfix> It's worth the time to watch
Dec 19 07:18:39 <timelyx> sold :)
Dec 19 07:18:41 <thoughtfix> my brain was cooked by the time I finished this article
Dec 19 07:18:53 <thoughtfix> Thanks for the copy editing :)
Dec 19 07:18:53 <timelyx> my brain was cooked hours ago, but you'll recover :)
Dec 19 07:19:15 <timelyx>  This means the whole face of the __ gets "themed" when you choose your background.
Dec 19 07:19:18 <timelyx> the what?
Dec 19 07:19:24 <timelyx> device?
Dec 19 07:19:54 <kulve> desktop?
Dec 19 07:20:06 <timelyx> "The top right status bar shows fast access to things like brightness, battery status, Google Talk connectivity, volume, etc."
Dec 19 07:20:14 <timelyx> that's below a picture of the browser menus
Dec 19 07:20:19 <timelyx> which doesn't show what you're describing :(
Dec 19 07:20:24 <gm> what's the url for this review?
Dec 19 07:20:28 <thoughtfix> "home screen" ... added the text. Thanks.
Dec 19 07:20:50 <timelyx> thoughtfix: personal question: were you surprised that we dropped google news?
Dec 19 07:20:53 * timelyx is annoyed by that
Dec 19 07:21:08 <timelyx> I have no idea how to spell AJAX/Ajax
Dec 19 07:21:20 <thoughtfix> I don't have a picture of the status bar
Dec 19 07:21:22 <thoughtfix> Heh
Dec 19 07:21:27 <timelyx>  There are still hiccups in playing some Flash, but most of the Internet should be just fine.
Dec 19 07:21:27 <gm> i think it's AJAX
Dec 19 07:21:37 <gm> heh, we're lucky it has flash :)
Dec 19 07:21:37 <thoughtfix> And no ... I think you'd want to feature RSS over individual news pages.
Dec 19 07:21:48 <timelyx> gm: i'll argue it's a style choice, if thoughtfix wants to do it Ajax, i suppose he can
Dec 19 07:21:54 <timelyx> i don't really care. i'm flagging
Dec 19 07:22:02 <timelyx> i'm pretty sure i write AJAX
Dec 19 07:22:27 <gm> yeah, i don't care anyway :)
Dec 19 07:22:31 <timelyx> when you wrote "some Flash", did you mean "some Flash applets" ?
Dec 19 07:22:36 <timelyx> "some Flash" just sounds wrong
Dec 19 07:22:38 <gm> but i'd go uppercase because it's an acronym
Dec 19 07:22:56 <timelyx> the display's power management does not dim when Flash video is playing.
Dec 19 07:22:58 <gm> personal preference only though
Dec 19 07:23:01 <timelyx> when => while ?
Dec 19 07:23:08 <thoughtfix> some Flash animations
Dec 19 07:23:11 <thoughtfix> for example
Dec 19 07:23:17 <timelyx> thoughtfix: that sounds better :)
Dec 19 07:23:23 <timelyx> "choose that one"\
Dec 19 07:23:25 <thoughtfix> http://www.homestarrunner.com/expfilm.html
Dec 19 07:23:35 <thoughtfix> Already did. I am doing edits as you give feedback
Dec 19 07:23:38 <timelyx> (dial 1-800-555-tell to understand "choose that one")
Dec 19 07:23:40 <timelyx> ok :)
Dec 19 07:23:54 <timelyx> get __ healthy amount of text on the screen.
Dec 19 07:23:57 <timelyx> get a?
Dec 19 07:24:29 <timelyx> "we should mention the OS2008 User Site. "
Dec 19 07:24:40 <thoughtfix> yes
Dec 19 07:24:51 <timelyx> i think that's the first instance of first person plural active or something
Dec 19 07:25:06 <thoughtfix> hahaha
Dec 19 07:25:08 <thoughtfix> Again
Dec 19 07:25:10 <timelyx> earlier you used "My" and i think maybe some singulars
Dec 19 07:25:39 <timelyx>  There are links to the official maemo team in there too__ in case you're curious who put this all together.
Dec 19 07:25:43 <timelyx> should there be a comma?
Dec 19 07:25:43 <thoughtfix> 9 hours at the day job. An hour of commuting. Downloading, installing, playing with, and tinkering with OS2008 before a single word was written.
Dec 19 07:26:06 <timelyx> "Time to explore more of the tablet."
Dec 19 07:26:14 <timelyx> that line doesn't follow/flow
Dec 19 07:26:52 <limepi> eh, using tmbg as an example.
Dec 19 07:26:56 <timelyx> "wholly", hrm, clearly i never use that word, since i didn't recognize its spelling
Dec 19 07:27:05 <timelyx> points for tmbg
Dec 19 07:27:08 <thoughtfix> While on the subject of browsing, the OS2008 User Site deserves a note here. Included are links to all the latest software, updates, news, and more. In case you're curious who put this all together, there are links to the official maemo team in there too.
Dec 19 07:27:09 <timelyx> but i didn't spot that yet
Dec 19 07:27:19 <timelyx> thoughtfix: yeah, that's better
Dec 19 07:27:24 <timelyx> hrm
Dec 19 07:27:30 <limepi> i am further down the spiral
Dec 19 07:27:33 <timelyx> "curious _about_ who" ...?
Dec 19 07:27:40 <thoughtfix> It's so hard for me to copy edit my own articles - especially the really big ones.
Dec 19 07:27:46 <limepi> and increasingly annoyed because their new stuff isn't as good as the older stuff
Dec 19 07:27:49 <timelyx> thoughtfix: i have the same problem
Dec 19 07:27:57 <timelyx> it's much easier for me to copy edit *anyone* else's work
Dec 19 07:28:07 <thoughtfix> changing that to "the people who"
Dec 19 07:28:09 <timelyx> i'm currently relying on 2 or 3 other people to copy edit a much smaller file of mine
Dec 19 07:28:15 <timelyx> yeah, that's better
Dec 19 07:28:31 <timelyx> ok, i'd ask you to consider changing "wholly" to something else
Dec 19 07:28:35 <thoughtfix> Forgot to tag the post too.
Dec 19 07:28:39 * timelyx just plain doesn't like it
Dec 19 07:28:48 <limepi> articles? thoughtfix, do you BLOG 4 BUX
Dec 19 07:28:51 <timelyx> "My Selection" should be "My selection"
Dec 19 07:28:57 <timelyx> note the picture :)
Dec 19 07:28:58 <limepi> or are you one of those real-life author people
Dec 19 07:29:02 <thoughtfix> "wholly" is a valid word
Dec 19 07:29:06 <thoughtfix> ;)
Dec 19 07:29:11 <timelyx> yeah, i'm not arguing it's invalid
Dec 19 07:29:15 <timelyx> just noting i don't like it :)
Dec 19 07:29:22 <timelyx> Map not Maps
Dec 19 07:29:22 <thoughtfix> hahaha. I wholly enjoy that word
Dec 19 07:29:31 <timelyx> note the name Map is IMO a bug
Dec 19 07:29:32 <timelyx> but...
Dec 19 07:29:42 <limepi> wait, are you guys parsing the language for maemo
Dec 19 07:29:44 <limepi> ha
Dec 19 07:29:49 <thoughtfix> It should be called Wayfinder
Dec 19 07:29:51 <timelyx> sorry, phone
Dec 19 07:29:51 <limepi> OSS :D
Dec 19 07:30:01 <thoughtfix> limepi - no: He's helping me copy edit my review
Dec 19 07:30:25 <limepi> that is journalistically bankrupt!!!!!!!
Dec 19 07:31:07 <thoughtfix> Why?
Dec 19 07:35:28 <gm> repository.maemo.org is up... fianlly
Dec 19 07:36:27 <|R> yep, hammering it right now :P
Dec 19 07:37:09 <timelyx> thoughtfix: note that Map can also work w/ internal GPS (although I don't recommend it ;-)
Dec 19 07:37:37 <timelyx> but it can be upgraded by subscription ($130 for 3 years.) I
Dec 19 07:37:42 <timelyx> period incorrectly nested in parens
Dec 19 07:37:48 <thoughtfix> #    * Map - This uses Wayfinder's maps to find where you (with a Bluetooth GPS on the N800 and the internal GPS on the N810)
Dec 19 07:38:11 <timelyx> thoughtfix: i use Bluetooth GPS on N810
Dec 19 07:38:12 <thoughtfix> No ... Punctuation always lands inside parentheses
Dec 19 07:38:26 <timelyx> things inside parens can be omitted
Dec 19 07:38:37 <timelyx> which means "but it can be upgraded by subscription I"
Dec 19 07:38:39 <timelyx> which isn't what you want
Dec 19 07:39:11 <thoughtfix> We'll ignore it. I should've gone to bed 2 hours ago ;)
Dec 19 07:39:14 <timelyx> 	Media Player => 	Media player (see picture ;-)
Dec 19 07:39:21 <timelyx> i'm skipping sleep
Dec 19 07:39:57 <timelyx> thoughtfix: do you want to mention the modest beta near Email?
Dec 19 07:40:16 <timelyx> File _m_anager
Dec 19 07:40:25 <timelyx> not sure about PDF Reader, but it's probably wrong too :)
Dec 19 07:40:41 <timelyx> Control panel, Application manager, Connection manager, Teach handwriting
Dec 19 07:40:50 <timelyx> can't remember about Backup/Restore
Dec 19 07:41:02 <timelyx> (fix those globally)
Dec 19 07:41:23 <timelyx> The Application Manager allows for easy installations, upgrades, and removals of software.
Dec 19 07:41:33 <timelyx> the 's' on installation/upgrade/removal bothers me
Dec 19 07:41:41 * |R is experiencing very not fun crashes with 2008...
Dec 19 07:41:53 <timelyx> but the fix requires work (installation, upgrading, and removal)
Dec 19 07:41:59 <thoughtfix> Me too
Dec 19 07:42:23 <timelyx> I wouldn't say that Linux handles software differently
Dec 19 07:42:29 <thoughtfix> ...
Dec 19 07:42:32 <timelyx> this is Debian and derivatives
Dec 19 07:42:42 <timelyx> if you use port on OS X you get similar behavior
Dec 19 07:43:17 <timelyx> Since they're not all managed by Nokia nor are fully supported,
Dec 19 07:43:19 <timelyx> drop "are"
Dec 19 07:43:29 <Skryla1> Are they still busy snarfing the new os update?
Dec 19 07:43:38 <timelyx> and heck, i think we've shown you can get errors from the Nokia repositories :)
Dec 19 07:44:16 <timelyx> CODEC is ime no longer written as an acronym
Dec 19 07:44:20 <timelyx> it's just "codec"
Dec 19 07:44:30 * timelyx edited a BlueZ doc yesterday which used that
Dec 19 07:44:31 <Skryla1> Snake, use your codec
Dec 19 07:44:50 <thoughtfix> codec = Coder/Decoder ... Modem = Modulation/Demodulation ;)
Dec 19 07:45:12 <timelyx> whatever, clearly not all caps :)
Dec 19 07:45:18 <thoughtfix> hah
Dec 19 07:45:25 <ckn_2k2> Skrylal: I already went through that page, but its not giving much clear picture
Dec 19 07:45:52 <timelyx> While we were updating our respective tablets and discussing them on IRC (in #maemo on freenode,)
Dec 19 07:46:03 <timelyx> ok, so there is a we, i think you should explain who we is more clearly
Dec 19 07:46:10 <timelyx> it doesn't quite resolve properly to my fuzzled mind
Dec 19 07:46:31 <timelyx> The Control Panel (showed above)
Dec 19 07:46:32 <timelyx> shown
Dec 19 07:46:46 <timelyx> control of the tablet
Dec 19 07:46:53 <timelyx> of=>over ? (not sure, maybe preference)
Dec 19 07:47:32 <|R> codec is like transceiver :)
Dec 19 07:47:36 <timelyx> Nokia N800 and Nokia N810 are not primarily portable media players or gaming devices,
Dec 19 07:47:37 <timelyx> "nor"
Dec 19 07:47:48 <timelyx> it is given those abilities to some degree with bundled and third-party applications
Dec 19 07:47:55 <timelyx> it is => the are
Dec 19 07:48:11 <timelyx> much more than that which
Dec 19 07:48:15 <timelyx> too many four letter words :)
Dec 19 07:48:27 <timelyx> i'm done
Dec 19 07:48:32 <thoughtfix> You can tell I got worse as the article went on
Dec 19 07:48:33 <thoughtfix> hehehe
Dec 19 07:48:37 <thoughtfix> <-- exhausted
Dec 19 07:48:38 <thoughtfix> THANK YOU
Dec 19 07:48:48 <thoughtfix> There were a few glaring mistakes in there
Dec 19 07:48:50 <timelyx> i think a note about modest at the end might be appropriate
Dec 19 07:49:02 <thoughtfix> haha
Dec 19 07:49:05 <thoughtfix> you work hard for your plugs
Dec 19 07:49:07 <thoughtfix> and you earned that one
Dec 19 07:49:14 <timelyx> it's not even my software
Dec 19 07:49:15 <timelyx> i'm microb
Dec 19 07:49:32 <thoughtfix> How'd you like the microb evaluation? ;)
Dec 19 07:49:43 <Skryla1> Oh, dern. When I reboot my computer earlier due to crashery I forgot to turn rsync back on.
Dec 19 07:50:23 * Skryla1 likes grsync
Dec 19 07:50:58 <thoughtfix> Will modest be included in the official OS?
Dec 19 07:51:54 <timelyx> it's certainly a goal
Dec 19 07:52:09 <timelyx> fwiw, microb wanted to make the previous release but missed
Dec 19 07:52:12 * Skryla1 wonders what modest is
Dec 19 07:52:23 <timelyx> modest was scheduled for one release after (i.e. this one) but missed
Dec 19 07:52:36 <timelyx> hopefully it'll follow the trend and make the next one, but no guarantees
Dec 19 07:53:10 <thoughtfix> Two plugs for modest
Dec 19 07:53:12 <timelyx> getting started was wanted for 2007 (or earlier) i believe, they had it almost ready for 2008/n810 but dropped it at the last minute
Dec 19 07:53:25 <timelyx> so i was shocked to see it in this 2008
Dec 19 07:53:36 <timelyx> especially as the major bug i know of for it is not actually fixed
Dec 19 07:53:38 <timelyx> :)
Dec 19 07:53:49 <timelyx> i believe it's reported in bugs.maemo.org already
Dec 19 07:54:31 <steri> anyone have mirror for that official n800 os2008 package?
Dec 19 07:54:50 <felipec> steri: it's on mininova
Dec 19 07:54:58 <steri> cant use torrent on work
Dec 19 07:58:43 <ds3> hmmm Maemo guide to style?
Dec 19 08:01:20 <bedboi> hi there
Dec 19 08:01:29 <bedboi> what's up with repository.maemo.org?
Dec 19 08:01:45 <thoughtfix> It's on crack
Dec 19 08:02:16 <bedboi> what do you mean?
Dec 19 08:02:47 <pupnik_> i found a killer portable amp to make a ghetto-blaster out of the n810 ... tripath based chips
Dec 19 08:03:00 <ds3> thoughtfix: do you know of another x86 based UMPC in the same pricerange as the EeePC?
Dec 19 08:03:28 <tigert> bedboi: I guess everyone is trying to download the apps at once :-P
Dec 19 08:03:30 <thoughtfix> Expect the Cloudbook in 1-4 months
Dec 19 08:03:47 <bedboi> it's happening since yesterday night
Dec 19 08:03:52 <ds3> so the EeePC really is just the tip of the iceberg?
Dec 19 08:04:14 <bedboi> i just guess the http  server is down
Dec 19 08:04:19 <bedboi> i can ping the server
Dec 19 08:05:00 <thoughtfix> See every bit of technology surrounding you? That's ALL just the tip of the iceberg.
Dec 19 08:05:18 <pupnik_> ds3 x86 will always be an evil of biblical proportions
Dec 19 08:05:23 <thoughtfix> But no. I won't be able to report more on embedded Linux devices until after CES when everyone is done showing off their wares
Dec 19 08:06:06 <tigert> in any case it's morning here now
Dec 19 08:06:21 <bedboi> tigert: yep sadly
Dec 19 08:06:24 <tigert> at least the folks who can do something about the servers are awake
Dec 19 08:06:26 <thoughtfix> I have to wake up in 5 hours for work
Dec 19 08:06:28 <tigert> at least soon :)
Dec 19 08:06:30 <thoughtfix> I'm done blogging for the night
Dec 19 08:06:32 <tigert> yo thoughtfix
Dec 19 08:06:35 <thoughtfix> Thanks for all the feedback :)
Dec 19 08:06:37 <thoughtfix> Hey Tigert
Dec 19 08:07:11 <ds3> pupnik_: yes, but x86 has its uses for legacy apps. and a tiny UMPC is probally the most space I want to spend on legacy stuff ;)
Dec 19 08:08:01 <bedboi> ok, trying to catch the RER, later
Dec 19 08:10:08 <hahlo> Now that I have working sb2, can I build any package just by 'sb2 apt-get source' and 'sb2 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -d' ?
Dec 19 08:11:06 <timelyx> thoughtfix: as you saw i had no comments about your microb text
Dec 19 08:11:14 <timelyx> i was of course delighted that you had no complaints :)
Dec 19 08:11:31 <timelyx> and it's really best to hear that the things you want to do w/ the browser just work
Dec 19 08:11:42 <thoughtfix> And why would I? There's no better mobile browser available.
Dec 19 08:11:44 <timelyx> browsers are enablers, if things just work, that's how it should be
Dec 19 08:11:58 <timelyx> the only time people here about browsers is when things go wrong
Dec 19 08:12:09 <thoughtfix> Security holes and crashes
Dec 19 08:12:14 <thoughtfix> But really
Dec 19 08:12:15 <thoughtfix> sleep for me
Dec 19 08:12:20 <timelyx> work for me
Dec 19 08:12:22 <thoughtfix> I have the "other job" to pay the bills
Dec 19 08:12:24 <thoughtfix> Thanks again!
Dec 19 08:12:37 <timelyx> thanks for sticking around to catch feedback
Dec 19 08:12:41 <thoughtfix> And get your friends to digg it up :D
Dec 19 08:12:48 * thoughtfix flags himself away
Dec 19 08:12:49 <timelyx> friends? digg?
Dec 19 08:16:47 * pupnik_ shakes the inbox
Dec 19 08:29:32 <hahlo> I tried to build tin and got 'configure: error: Cannot link ncursesw library' I miss something or?
Dec 19 08:37:31 <GNUton> Hi! :)
Dec 19 08:40:29 <t_s_o> heh, looking at the tabletblog review, and the carrypad review side by side is "entertaining"...
Dec 19 08:45:49 <timelyx> carrypad?
Dec 19 08:47:12 <t_s_o> carrypad.com, the "mid" brother of umpcportal.com...
Dec 19 08:49:10 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 19 08:49:24 <GNUton> Hello Jaffa!
Dec 19 08:49:27 <Khertan_TheReal> Morning !
Dec 19 08:57:49 <blithe> I love how I have to torrent an official firmware upgrade off TPB. :P
Dec 19 09:09:07 <t_s_o> hmm, sounds like there is a impressive amount of users grabbing for the latest update then
Dec 19 09:10:19 <blithe> Took me 10 minutes just to get the 40k flasher to download. :P
Dec 19 09:11:08 <t_s_o> ouch
Dec 19 09:27:02 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Dec 19 09:30:39 <blithe> Morning.
Dec 19 09:33:12 <pupnik> hi blithe
Dec 19 09:34:40 <pupnik> Wed Dec 19 10:34:31 CET 2007
Dec 19 09:40:35 <Skryla1> pewp
Dec 19 09:42:47 <Skryla1> bored
Dec 19 09:46:42 * Skryla1 goes to bed.
Dec 19 09:51:19 <Khertan_TheReal> arg no more wifi at work ... i can't apt-get install
Dec 19 09:51:38 <Khertan_TheReal> someone know how to make connection by usb with a stupid windows ?
Dec 19 09:52:19 <rothiel> Hello World :)
Dec 19 09:53:19 <Khertan_TheReal> hello alone ...
Dec 19 10:03:24 <hahlo> hehee this sb2 seems to build i386.deb packages for me, instead of arm
Dec 19 10:06:00 <florian> good morning
Dec 19 10:13:25 <pupnik> N810 micro/miniSD card comparison - share your test results here!  http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=110998#post110998
Dec 19 10:14:52 * flip^ grrrs at all his attempts to download from maemo repositories failing
Dec 19 10:17:01 * pupnik refreshes
Dec 19 10:17:07 <gm> flip^: yes, it seems to be having issues
Dec 19 10:18:40 <flip^> issues is an understatement
Dec 19 10:20:13 <GNUton> i'm working on Qt4 hildonization and i'm looking for existing patches...
Dec 19 10:24:09 <GNUton> Can i create a Hildon Menu with DBUS?
Dec 19 10:26:40 <latzko> hi
Dec 19 10:26:45 <micron> hi
Dec 19 10:28:57 <latzko> can you help me with oprofile, op2calltree and kcachegrind? I have an output that kcachegrind can read but it does not make any graphs only individual nodes
Dec 19 10:29:39 <latzko> oprofile works well
Dec 19 10:29:43 <micron> latzko: sorry, I'm here just to collect some informations about nokia n770, I would like to buy it
Dec 19 10:29:52 <micron> but I don't know if it is still supported by nokia
Dec 19 10:29:58 <latzko> np :)
Dec 19 10:29:59 <micron> any hint?
Dec 19 10:30:07 <pupnik> what do you mean 'support'
Dec 19 10:30:49 <micron> pupnik: it seems latest OS2008 release doesn't support n770
Dec 19 10:30:57 <pupnik> Right
Dec 19 10:31:06 <GNUton> ciao micron!
Dec 19 10:31:20 <micron> ciao GNUton, non ti avevo visto! hai un 770?
Dec 19 10:31:32 <GNUton> micron: "quasi" :)
Dec 19 10:32:29 <Spakman_> has anyone played with Frothing (the Liferea port)?
Dec 19 10:32:46 <micron> another question: as I've read on the web it seems that debian packages for n770 aren't compatible with n800 platform (and vice-versa)
Dec 19 10:32:49 <micron> is it true?
Dec 19 10:33:17 <micron> I'm scared because I don't want to spent money for a "dying" gadget
Dec 19 10:33:39 <GNUton> micron: no, i'm waiting for a N810..
Dec 19 10:34:00 <micron> GNUton: ok ;)
Dec 19 10:34:26 <gm> get a n800 :)
Dec 19 10:34:34 <gm> they don't cost that much more than the 770
Dec 19 10:35:01 <tigert> 770 is so 2005 :)
Dec 19 10:35:31 <tigert> it has quite limited memory too etc
Dec 19 10:35:33 <micron> gm: let me check ebay ;)
Dec 19 10:36:29 <pupnik> yeah but it's the most durable tablet
Dec 19 10:36:58 <pupnik> for just surfing normal sites, playing back videos (mplayer) and chat... 770 still a great device
Dec 19 10:37:09 <gm> yeah, i wish the 800 was the slider design
Dec 19 10:37:18 <pupnik> well no - not normal sites - html sites (not javascript monsters)
Dec 19 10:37:50 <micron> pupnik: I would use it as a mail client
Dec 19 10:38:27 <pupnik> Ah.  well there is always a danger of something cool arriving on on OS2008
Dec 19 10:38:44 <gm> i wonder if we'll ever see 2008 hacker edition?
Dec 19 10:40:03 <pupnik> Well i like the 770 still but then again...
Dec 19 10:40:16 <pupnik> as they say in Serbia, "Every Gypsy has nothing but praise for his horse" (Svaki Ciga svoga konja hvali)
Dec 19 10:40:55 <gm> so true :)
Dec 19 10:44:34 <flip^> they reckon there'll be a 2008 hacker edition, but it'll probably be further from actual os2008 than he2007 was from os2007
Dec 19 10:46:17 <gm> hmmm
Dec 19 10:46:40 <gm> some components too slow?
Dec 19 10:47:35 <flip^> i don't know the reasoning. just one or two people/sites have said that there will be a he2008, but that it won't be just os2008 on a n770
Dec 19 10:47:39 <flip^> nothing more specific than that
Dec 19 10:47:48 <gm> link?
Dec 19 10:48:27 <flip^> er... peer at the maemo irc logs from the topic, i guess? i'm pretty sure i saw it in here
Dec 19 10:49:01 <flip^> i might have read it somewhere on ITT actually
Dec 19 10:51:24 <flip^> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-10857.html
Dec 19 10:53:21 <micron> what are hacker editions?
Dec 19 10:54:20 <gm> making unsupported oses run on the 770
Dec 19 10:54:26 <gm> i.e. 2007 and in future 2008
Dec 19 10:54:43 <micron> gm: thanks
Dec 19 11:06:35 <Tykc> привет всем!
Dec 19 11:08:29 <Tykc> рідна мова
Dec 19 11:30:26 <lardman> still problems downloading the new image?
Dec 19 11:30:39 <lardman> I can't even connect to the nokia download site
Dec 19 11:31:12 * mgedmin gave up, googled for the filename and found a torrent
Dec 19 11:31:35 * lardman will wait anyway, otherwise he needs to setup his dsp stuff again
Dec 19 11:34:32 <Khertan_TheReal> lol
Dec 19 11:34:47 <Khertan_TheReal> i ve flashed my n800 ... but it still unusable ...
Dec 19 11:35:05 <Khertan_TheReal> can't install anything ... maemo repository is still down
Dec 19 11:35:45 <Khertan_TheReal> maybe they should try to update the webserver ... use a n810 instead of an n800 with ngix
Dec 19 11:35:53 <Khertan_TheReal> :)
Dec 19 11:36:51 <guerby> Khertan_TheReal, yep repository looks really slow, I haven't been able to update anything yet
Dec 19 11:37:46 <Spakman_> Can anyone tell me how to make the centre button on the d-pad bring up the thumb keyboard on my dialog box, like the rest of OS2008?
Dec 19 11:37:51 <Khertan_TheReal> maybe they use the same server as this one : http://www.spacerogue.net/Camneerg/index.html
Dec 19 11:37:59 <guerby> I really wonder on what box they run it on, AFAIK repo is just a passive web server, even a P3 with 256MB of RAM could handle the load
Dec 19 11:38:40 <Khertan_TheReal> with this "Motorola 68000 @ 8MHz" you can make a web server :)
Dec 19 11:42:13 <pupnik> somebody made a webserver off a 6502 apple ][ once
Dec 19 11:44:09 <lardman> does anyone else find the rating system for Maemo news quite confusing?
Dec 19 11:44:27 <lardman> in that new messages pop up somewhere near the bottom so you have to look hard to see them
Dec 19 11:45:09 <mgedmin> meh, ratings
Dec 19 11:45:21 * mgedmin reads the planet maemo feed only
Dec 19 11:45:28 * mgedmin sees no rating system
Dec 19 11:45:50 <lardman> ha, I've just realised that they are categorised on the rhs in date-added order
Dec 19 11:46:02 * lardman goes back to sleep
Dec 19 11:46:16 <Khertan_TheReal> pupnik > it s the same guy :)
Dec 19 11:49:10 <guerby> a mirror of repository.maemo somewhere?
Dec 19 11:49:38 <lardman> do we know what's wrong with their servers? I thought they had some downtime to do some fixes recently?
Dec 19 11:55:05 <alterego> Much better ..
Dec 19 11:55:36 <alterego> Sorry for the silly reconnections. Had some issue with my tunnels.
Dec 19 11:55:38 <kulve> lardman: I would guess it's just overloaded because of the new releasess..
Dec 19 11:55:45 <alterego> Damn useless dwarves ..
Dec 19 11:56:49 <alterego> No chance of me getting an N810 before Christmas now.
Dec 19 11:56:50 <alterego> Oh well ..
Dec 19 11:57:14 <alterego> Knew asking Santa was a long shot ..
Dec 19 11:58:15 <gm> what does os2008 use for sound?
Dec 19 11:58:31 <kulve> "use for sound"?
Dec 19 11:58:53 <gm> what api?
Dec 19 11:59:06 <Robot101> dsp madness for most stuff, alsa plugins for compatability, esound for beeps/clicks
Dec 19 11:59:11 <alterego> Generally .. gstreamer ..
Dec 19 11:59:19 <gm> alright
Dec 19 11:59:26 <gm> actually, it supports esd?
Dec 19 11:59:36 <Robot101> to access the dsp stuff you use magic gstreamer elements
Dec 19 11:59:41 <alterego> Not really "supports" it :D
Dec 19 11:59:48 <kulve> gm: the esd there just uses the same dsp
Dec 19 11:59:56 <kulve> gstreamer is the supported api
Dec 19 11:59:58 <gm> well, i can tell an app to use esd, and it will get sound out of the speakers?
Dec 19 12:00:09 <kulve> gm: I guess it will
Dec 19 12:00:12 <gm> i'm doing that basiliskii port, and basiliskii supports esd for sound output
Dec 19 12:00:13 <Robot101> yes, the dsp has two channels, one is for esd, one is for 'current app', like media player or voip
Dec 19 12:00:26 <Robot101> yes esd should work
Dec 19 12:00:48 <gm> excellent
Dec 19 12:00:52 <gm> time to recompile, again :)
Dec 19 12:01:07 <gm> oh yeah, repository.maemo.org is down
Dec 19 12:01:08 <gm> yayyy
Dec 19 12:01:40 <gm> nope, up
Dec 19 12:01:48 <gm> but slow
Dec 19 12:02:07 <kulve> extremely slow
Dec 19 12:02:19 <kulve> Fetched 7338B in 4m10s (29B/s)
Dec 19 12:03:16 <gm> this recompile could take a few minutes, the dev environment is on the n800
Dec 19 12:03:38 <gm> which is rather cool, but rather annoying at the same time :)
Dec 19 12:04:54 <milhouse> bug 2531 is probably worth commenting against regarding the poor download performance.
Dec 19 12:05:04 <milhouse> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2531
Dec 19 12:07:00 <alterego> Best wait until this weekend for the update madness to end.
Dec 19 12:07:31 <alterego> I have the image but I'm not going to flash it until I have my full attention ;D
Dec 19 12:08:06 <lardman> damn, keyboard gone flat, time to get batteries
Dec 19 12:08:37 * flip^ notes all the repositories just seem to have started working happily
Dec 19 12:09:01 <guerby> hmm, what package for ssh 'ssh' or 'openssh' ?
Dec 19 12:09:08 <flip^> i used openssh
Dec 19 12:09:08 <tontsa> openssh
Dec 19 12:09:28 <guerby> flip^, tontsa ok thx
Dec 19 12:09:45 <guerby> stuck at 'downloading' though
Dec 19 12:12:19 <flip^> i've had a lot of that lately
Dec 19 12:12:23 <flip^> but things just seem to have improved
Dec 19 12:12:31 <flip^> still hangs now and hten, but working a lot better than it was over the last 24 hours
Dec 19 12:13:50 <gm> hmm, has anyone had gcc segfault on the n800?
Dec 19 12:13:53 <guerby> flip^, didn't remember the install of openssh asked for definig the root password
Dec 19 12:13:59 <gm> i think i may know why...
Dec 19 12:14:05 <flip^> it never used to... but it does now for whatever reason
Dec 19 12:14:21 <gm> i'm compiling stuff off the internal sd
Dec 19 12:14:34 <gm> picked the device up and shook it round a bit, and bang, segfault
Dec 19 12:15:05 <flip^> didn't know there was a working gcc for the device
Dec 19 12:15:17 <gm> you have to install the maemo sdk repository
Dec 19 12:15:34 <gm> a little highly un-recommended, but it works
Dec 19 12:15:57 <gm> hmm, i can't reproduce that now...
Dec 19 12:16:03 <guerby> cd /usr/bin; mv metalayer-crawler crap
Dec 19 12:16:09 <guerby> feels better now
Dec 19 12:16:20 <gm> what's metalayer-crawler do?
Dec 19 12:16:52 <gm> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2531
Dec 19 12:16:57 <gm> whoops
Dec 19 12:17:00 <flip^> mostly eat cpu time and battery
Dec 19 12:17:02 <gm> http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=metalayer-crawler&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
Dec 19 12:17:13 <gm> doesn't seem too good :)
Dec 19 12:17:34 <gm> what negative effects would getting rid of it have?
Dec 19 12:20:04 <gm> hmm, it might not be loose internal sd
Dec 19 12:20:10 <Khertan_TheReal> someone can help me setting network by usb using windows ? as i m not a windows expert it doesn't work :)
Dec 19 12:20:10 <gm> it just segfaulted then, and i didn't move it
Dec 19 12:20:28 <flip^> gm: never seen any side effects so far ;)
Dec 19 12:20:39 <gm> alright
Dec 19 12:20:59 <gm> hmm, it segfaults doing big files...
Dec 19 12:21:35 <gm> though not consistently
Dec 19 12:21:46 <dpb_> not suprising that.. gcc isn't meant to be used on the device..
Dec 19 12:22:09 <gm> yeah, of course :)
Dec 19 12:22:22 <gm> but it is rather cool to be able to compile stuff on the go
Dec 19 12:22:42 <Khertan_TheReal> when i try to activate the network on windows i just get an error without more information
Dec 19 12:22:46 <Khertan_TheReal> +s
Dec 19 12:23:14 <gm> heh, i should use the arm segfault handler i just hacked up so it actually would work in basiliskii in gcc :P
Dec 19 12:25:39 <gm> ... or just hack it so it starts again when it segfaults, as that seems to work 90% of the time (if not, a third try, etc)
Dec 19 12:26:03 <gm> compiling runs the battery flat fast though :)
Dec 19 12:26:45 <Khertan_TheReal> listen audio at the same time ...
Dec 19 12:27:14 <Khertan_TheReal> as when you listen a audio file dsp is used ... and cpu frenquency down to 3xxMhz
Dec 19 12:27:25 <guerby> gm, I found none personnally (don't forget to kill the process after the mv)
Dec 19 12:28:04 <gm> ok
Dec 19 12:28:19 <gm> ... or i could just use the charger :P
Dec 19 12:29:37 <guerby> hmm does the restore application list restore just repo or is supposed to reinstall things?
Dec 19 12:30:50 <gm> alright, i just got  "using ESD audio output" out of it
Dec 19 12:30:58 <gm> now will this behave
Dec 19 12:31:45 <guerby> is the extra / "get started" new? don't remeber seeing it before
Dec 19 12:32:59 <gm> sound works :D
Dec 19 12:33:48 <guardian> any ETA on repository.maemo.org ?
Dec 19 12:45:29 <gm> guardian: was up earlier
Dec 19 12:45:32 <gm> it's up and down
Dec 19 12:45:42 <guardian> oh ok
Dec 19 12:45:49 <gm> i wonder if nyud.net would work here
Dec 19 12:45:59 <gm> http://repository.maemo.org.nyud.net:8090/
Dec 19 12:46:16 <gm> when it's up, use that, so it gets cached
Dec 19 12:46:40 <Spakman_> How can I remove words from the built-in dictionary?
Dec 19 12:47:08 <gm> saving your passwords, is it?
Dec 19 12:47:25 <Spakman_> gm: :)
Dec 19 12:47:28 <flip^> aww, simplelauncher transparency doesn't work on os2008 :(
Dec 19 12:47:50 <gm> haha, how'd i guess, that's what 99% of people who ask that question have found
Dec 19 12:48:10 <gm> i don't know either...
Dec 19 12:48:12 <Spakman_> gm: got an annoyin mis-type that I need to get rid of too
Dec 19 12:48:20 <gm> heh
Dec 19 12:49:32 <Khertan_TheReal> someone can help me setting windows to do network by usb ?
Dec 19 12:50:42 <guardian> thx gm
Dec 19 13:00:30 <Tykc> hello!
Dec 19 13:00:49 <timeless> so, i learned something a moment ago
Dec 19 13:00:50 <timeless> ah yes
Dec 19 13:01:52 <timeless> the correct way to complain about the lack of availability for tablets-dev is indeed to call Nokia Care services
Dec 19 13:03:06 <gm> well, if we all do that, we might break their phone system :)
Dec 19 13:03:09 <timeless> http://www.nokiausa.com/A4410063#N95 is the usa contact information
Dec 19 13:03:12 <sp3000> two in one!
Dec 19 13:03:14 <timeless> gm: fine by me :)
Dec 19 13:03:29 <gm> :P
Dec 19 13:03:30 <timeless> http://www.nokia.com/A4126576 is the global link
Dec 19 13:03:51 <timeless> seriously, please find the local / free number and call to complain (make sure you complain while there's a problem)
Dec 19 13:03:51 * gm fires up Gizmo
Dec 19 13:04:03 <timeless> gm: are you really in a place where there isn't a local number?
Dec 19 13:04:37 <timeless> nokia care from what i've seen is fairly distributed, and should cover at least all markets where the devices are sold
Dec 19 13:04:50 <timeless> anyway, i'm expecting a more technical announcement on the other front
Dec 19 13:05:02 <gm> no, i'm not in a place where there isn't a local number, but my n800 is close at hand (in hand) and the phone isn't
Dec 19 13:05:09 <Khertan_TheReal> grrrrr
Dec 19 13:05:15 <Khertan_TheReal> windows sucks !
Dec 19 13:05:25 <gm> it took tat long to figure that out :P
Dec 19 13:05:26 <Tykc> :-)
Dec 19 13:06:15 <Khertan_TheReal> i ve no choice at work
Dec 19 13:06:37 <Khertan_TheReal> i can't make usb network between windows and my n800
Dec 19 13:06:38 <timeless> gm: wow
Dec 19 13:06:44 <Tykc> May be VirtualBox?
Dec 19 13:06:49 <Khertan_TheReal> and i don't understand why
Dec 19 13:06:50 <timeless> Khertan_TheReal: i thought someone claimed to have a way to make that work
Dec 19 13:07:09 <Tykc> use VirtualBox
Dec 19 13:09:01 <Khertan_TheReal> i ve see instruction on maemo.org
Dec 19 13:09:30 <Khertan_TheReal> but windaube doesn't want to activate the connection
Dec 19 13:09:40 <Khertan_TheReal> and say nothing else that error ...
Dec 19 13:09:48 <Khertan_TheReal> no error report
Dec 19 13:09:51 <Khertan_TheReal> no logs ...
Dec 19 13:10:06 <Khertan_TheReal> this "pseudo" operating system really sucks !
Dec 19 13:10:14 <Tykc> may be use VirtualBox or VMware?
Dec 19 13:11:50 <gm> hmmm, what package is hildon-program.h in?
Dec 19 13:14:46 <dpb_> gm: libhildon1-dev
Dec 19 13:15:05 <gm> haha, found it myself the exact second
Dec 19 13:15:07 <gm> thanks :)
Dec 19 13:15:21 <giskard> hey guys no news about the activation of the discount code?
Dec 19 13:16:14 <dpb_> np :)
Dec 19 13:19:29 <gm>   libgconf2-dev: Depends: libdbus-glib-1-dev (>= 0.60) but it is not going to be installed
Dec 19 13:19:38 <gm> ahh, dependency hell, how i missed it
Dec 19 13:19:55 <gm> time to break out the old --force-*
Dec 19 13:20:42 <gm> that is when repository.maemo.org is up again... was up ~15 mins ago
Dec 19 13:29:06 <Khertan_TheReal> Tykc > with wmware, windows take control before of the n800
Dec 19 13:29:22 <Khertan_TheReal> and i can't use network by usb with the image
Dec 19 13:30:11 <Tykc> did u try VirtualBox?
Dec 19 13:30:16 <gm> grab an ubuntu livecd
Dec 19 13:30:35 <gm> or better still, install ubuntu
Dec 19 13:32:44 <Tykc> yep
Dec 19 13:32:57 <Tykc> or better Gentoo
Dec 19 13:33:03 <Tykc> from stage0
Dec 19 13:33:44 <gm> haha
Dec 19 13:33:58 <Tykc> :-)
Dec 19 13:34:02 <Tykc> ;-)
Dec 19 13:34:04 <gm> i'd rather not have the system out of date before it's installed :P
Dec 19 13:34:28 <Tykc> )
Dec 19 13:35:10 <gm> no eyes?
Dec 19 13:35:37 <Tykc> :-)
Dec 19 13:35:56 <gm> ... then again, my smilies lack noses :P
Dec 19 13:36:14 <Tykc> :-D
Dec 19 13:36:58 <gm> alright, when this is hildonized and i can actually take it from the foreground it will be rather cool
Dec 19 13:41:05 <guerby> anyone mirroring libgdm3 somewhere?
Dec 19 13:41:20 <guerby> grumble repository.maemo.org grumble
Dec 19 13:43:16 <gm> i do hope nokia get somewhere on fixing the fscking thing
Dec 19 13:45:34 <ph|ber> m0o
Dec 19 13:46:18 <hahlo> In my sb2 has deb http://repository.maemo.org/ bora free non-free repository but apt-get update doesn't get anything from that address, is it correct?
Dec 19 13:47:04 <hahlo> what repository I should add to get apt working?
Dec 19 13:47:25 <dpb_> hahlo: the repository is haven't problems atm, try again in a few hours/days.
Dec 19 13:47:51 <gm> yep, that's correct
Dec 19 13:47:59 <hahlo> ah, ok
Dec 19 13:48:05 <gm> the repository is screwed, just keep trying, you occasionally get through
Dec 19 13:48:25 <gm> if you're desperate for packages, curl with a long timeout works occasionally
Dec 19 13:49:23 <hahlo> ok, if they get it up I should download whole repository on my pc
Dec 19 13:49:24 <Khertan_TheReal> Tykc > i ll do it at home on my lfs ...
Dec 19 13:49:36 <dpb_> (people should stop suggesting keeping trying.. it would be working again sooner if all the people stopped doing that..)
Dec 19 13:49:58 <Khertan_TheReal> lol dpb_ :)
Dec 19 13:50:12 <kulve> people should set up scripts to bang it. Nokia has no excuse for such a lame service..
Dec 19 13:50:38 <Khertan_TheReal> i should make a script that change the apt-get update time in application manager ...
Dec 19 13:50:49 <Khertan_TheReal> and make it public
Dec 19 13:50:58 <Khertan_TheReal> with a timeout of 30s :)
Dec 19 13:51:35 <dpb_> kulve: true, lets do that then.
Dec 19 13:52:05 <kulve> dpb_: that might be illegal, so.. :)
Dec 19 13:52:16 <kulve> I'll just wait and curse
Dec 19 13:52:36 <gm> heh, it would be working right now if nobody accesses it
Dec 19 13:52:58 <kulve> gm: how would you know that?
Dec 19 13:53:08 <kulve> if nobody could try it..
Dec 19 13:53:12 <gm> if a tree falls in the forest, does it still make any noise
Dec 19 13:53:18 <gm> yes, you got me there :)
Dec 19 13:53:47 <gm> repository.maemo.org
Dec 19 13:54:03 <gm> whoops
Dec 19 13:54:45 <gm> alright, my n800 is stuck in a dependency mess
Dec 19 13:55:04 <gm> time to break out the --force when the repository is back up...
Dec 19 13:57:22 <gm> i wonder how big the whole repository is
Dec 19 13:57:25 <tigert> ok, some news on the download stuff is that they're trying to work out the issue
Dec 19 13:57:37 <tigert> something borked in the caching setup or such I hear
Dec 19 13:57:42 <ph|ber> anyone got conola installed on the 810?
Dec 19 13:57:49 <gm> openwrt was good becuase the whole repository was only 50mb, so you could easily locally mirror the whole thing
Dec 19 13:58:07 <gm> (embedded linux stuff for routers etc, designed to run on devices with low storage)
Dec 19 14:03:01 <guerby> tigert, thx for the news
Dec 19 14:03:12 <ph|ber> anyone?
Dec 19 14:04:12 <guerby> ph|ber, not me :)
Dec 19 14:04:54 <guerby> gm, I'm going to read the apt-mirror man page one of these days, this is not the first time maemo.org has issues
Dec 19 14:06:34 <dpb_> is it legal to redistribute nokia's closed source packages from other repos?
Dec 19 14:10:22 <vegai> have any finns gotten their discount n810 yet?
Dec 19 14:10:32 <dpb_> don't think so
Dec 19 14:10:43 <vegai> just noticed that verkkokauppa.com has a few in stock. I wonder why the official shops don't
Dec 19 14:11:12 <vegai> they got their first batch on 14th already
Dec 19 14:11:57 <dpb_> well, has anyone anywhere gotten the discount device yet?
Dec 19 14:13:00 <bedboi> is repository.maemo.org still down?
Dec 19 14:13:34 <dpb_> it's never really been "down", just extremely slow
Dec 19 14:13:41 <dpb_> and yes, still is.
Dec 19 14:14:21 <vegai> maemo.org seems a bit downish too
Dec 19 14:16:01 * flip^ sighs at the maemo rss reader... the os2007 one didn't have scrollbars, but the os2008 has huge great gabs between stories ... can't they just get it right, or make it customisable :(
Dec 19 14:16:28 <lardman> I suppose the gaps are so you can use your fingers
Dec 19 14:16:46 <ph|ber> http://slackwaresupport.com/RX-44_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Dec 19 14:16:48 <lardman> shame they got rid of the first few lines of the story, that was a quick way to see if you wanted to read further
Dec 19 14:18:55 <cy3o3> sup
Dec 19 14:19:18 <cy3o3> Is it work upgrading to OS2008 on the n800 ?  hmm
Dec 19 14:19:33 <cy3o3> I guess as long as everything still works I'm down heh
Dec 19 14:19:58 <flip^> most things still work
Dec 19 14:20:19 <flip^> it's still a bit of a fight to get past nokia's bandwidth issues for the update and application repositories though, i think
Dec 19 14:20:29 <cy3o3> hmm
Dec 19 14:20:41 <cy3o3> any idea if kismet works?
Dec 19 14:26:16 <chandler> while I admire Nokia's dedication to dogfood, running their web site over an N800 tethered to a GPRS connection may not have been the smartest idea
Dec 19 14:27:50 <gm> heh
Dec 19 14:28:09 <Khertan_TheReal> chandler > lol ... say this 2 or 3 hours before :)
Dec 19 14:28:36 <Khertan_TheReal> maybe they should try 3G+ phone with an n810
Dec 19 14:47:11 <FMZ|afk> =/ My n800 won't start.
Dec 19 14:48:04 <FMZ> Umm.. this isn't good.
Dec 19 14:48:43 <FMZ> I hold the start button until the screen says "Nokia"... then I let go.  The screen dims, and then after a second or 2 it switches off.
Dec 19 14:49:17 <FMZ> Start = power
Dec 19 14:50:20 <mgedmin> battery low?
Dec 19 14:50:30 <FMZ> I just charged it last night...
Dec 19 14:51:22 <FMZ> Doesn't give me any "low battery" warning.  Last night it was fully charged.  I switched it on for 5 minutes to show my g/f the new interface, and switched it right back off again.  I remember hearing the power-off jingle.
Dec 19 14:51:32 <cy3o3> freaking doze doesn't want to recognize my n800 for the OS2008 update :(
Dec 19 14:51:54 <inz> FMZ, can't say for sure, but it really does sound like battery low situation
Dec 19 14:52:08 <FMZ> cy3o3: Make sure to follow the "hold the home button" part of the instructions as you turn it on.
Dec 19 14:52:35 <cy3o3> Yeah
Dec 19 14:52:38 <FMZ> Hrmm... guess I'll wait 'til I get home to find out.
Dec 19 14:52:42 <cy3o3> I get the USB icon on the screen
Dec 19 14:52:52 <cy3o3> wtf
Dec 19 14:57:57 <FMZ> cy3o3: Is it recognized at all by Windows?
Dec 19 14:58:12 <cy3o3> Newp :(  On two different boxes
Dec 19 14:58:33 <FMZ> Hmm... now that is unusual.  Doesn't even recognize as a flash drive?
Dec 19 14:58:39 <cy3o3> Nope
Dec 19 14:58:48 <cy3o3> Maybe have a hardware problem with my n800 :(
Dec 19 14:59:07 <FMZ> Are you using the same USB cable it came with?
Dec 19 14:59:11 <cy3o3> haven't powered this thing on in months
Dec 19 14:59:22 <cy3o3> I have no idea if I'm using the same cable
Dec 19 14:59:28 <cy3o3> Is there something special about the cable?
Dec 19 14:59:55 <FMZ> Might want to try another cable.  I don't *think* there is anything special about it, but may as well try to rule the cable out before the tablet ;)
Dec 19 15:00:12 <cy3o3> tru dat
Dec 19 15:00:21 <cy3o3> well damn, guess this will have to wait :(
Dec 19 15:00:24 <cy3o3> only cable I have with me
Dec 19 15:01:34 <FMZ> I know the feeling.. heh.  Waiting sucks.  I gotta wait until I get home to play with my newly updated n800 as the battery seems to be deadeded.
Dec 19 15:02:58 <cy3o3> OHH!  Found another cable
Dec 19 15:03:00 <cy3o3> and look at that
Dec 19 15:03:02 <cy3o3> it was the cable
Dec 19 15:03:05 <cy3o3> amazing wtf heh
Dec 19 15:06:43 <cy3o3> Update wizard failed tho - "Unsupported device software"
Dec 19 15:06:51 <cy3o3> that what the topic is about?
Dec 19 15:08:40 <cy3o3> ahh yeah just can't get the image I guess
Dec 19 15:09:53 <FMZ> Hmm...
Dec 19 15:09:58 <FMZ> Not seen that before.
Dec 19 15:11:07 <chandler> does anyone have a mirror of flasher-3.0 (linux x86)?
Dec 19 15:12:38 <dpb_> is it legal to mirror it? <.<
Dec 19 15:15:16 <cy3o3> No network connection - working offline
Dec 19 15:15:25 <cy3o3> geeehhh heh
Dec 19 15:15:40 <mgedmin> you could try 0xFFFF if you're brave: http://www.nopcode.org/0xFFFF/
Dec 19 15:15:48 <mgedmin> ^ that was for chandler
Dec 19 15:16:13 <chandler> eh. maybe tablets-dev.nokia.com will respond in a minute or two
Dec 19 15:16:49 <cy3o3> chandler: I haven't gotten it to respond for like the last 20-30 mins ;(
Dec 19 15:16:53 <cy3o3> woah there it goes tho !  ;)
Dec 19 15:17:11 <chandler> I got the EULA page a minute ago...
Dec 19 15:17:43 <cy3o3> yeah just got the EULA page is all
Dec 19 15:17:51 <cy3o3> looks like it doesn't want to do much else :(
Dec 19 15:18:07 <cy3o3> An error processing my request!
Dec 19 15:19:21 <sp3000> cy3o3: it's been intermittent for about a day... just retry
Dec 19 15:19:43 <sp3000> intermittent and slow
Dec 19 15:19:59 <cy3o3> bummer
Dec 19 15:20:43 <chandler> oo! I found a copy of flasher on another machine
Dec 19 15:23:41 <chandler> oops. nevermind, no I didn't
Dec 19 15:24:30 <dragorn> chandler: hang on
Dec 19 15:24:30 <cy3o3> just likes to time out :(
Dec 19 15:24:36 <cy3o3> sup dragorn
Dec 19 15:28:34 <endorphinum> Hi everyone!
Dec 19 15:29:30 <every1> hi
Dec 19 15:29:32 <endorphinum> :)
Dec 19 15:29:59 <endorphinum> Looks like all people seem to be busy updating to 2008 8)
Dec 19 15:30:25 <ph|ber> done with mine.
Dec 19 15:30:27 <deejoe> or sitting twiddling their thumbs waiting for it to download
Dec 19 15:30:35 <ph|ber> i have a mirror if you want it.
Dec 19 15:30:37 <ph|ber> deejoe.
Dec 19 15:30:41 <adammelancon> Or at least trying to update to 2008, it took me until midnight last night to get python installed
Dec 19 15:30:42 <endorphinum> ok... maybe i have something for those who are waiting :)
Dec 19 15:31:12 <deejoe> no, but thank you all the same, ph|ber
Dec 19 15:31:20 <ph|ber> k
Dec 19 15:31:56 <endorphinum> You guys want to test out something new on your Maemo and tell me how it looks like?
Dec 19 15:32:11 <adammelancon> possibly
Dec 19 15:33:36 <endorphinum> The first issue of my maemo optimized ezine called ATARASHI is online: http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi/
Dec 19 15:34:09 <endorphinum> I would love if someone out there could make a video so that i can see how it works - i do not own a n800 or n180
Dec 19 15:34:17 <derf> You know atarashii is spelled with two i's, right?
Dec 19 15:35:02 <endorphinum> yes, though i have been japanese for only 2 years by now. i wanted to write it only with one i so that people wont think that it is a Wii ezine *lol*
Dec 19 15:35:19 <endorphinum> oooops. i mean "i have been learning japanese" .loool.
Dec 19 15:35:27 <blast007> hehe
Dec 19 15:36:08 <endorphinum> I will ask some maemo gadget blogs out there to make a video too, so that i can see how it works and "feels" like. I realy would love to see if the pageflipping with a thumb does work on the maemo.
Dec 19 15:36:46 <melmoth>  /window up
Dec 19 15:36:49 <melmoth> oups
Dec 19 15:37:03 <endorphinum> melmoth: what does that mean?
Dec 19 15:37:28 <melmoth> nothing, i just made a typo
Dec 19 15:37:43 <endorphinum> *uuff* thanks, i thought i made something wrong ;)
Dec 19 15:41:47 <endorphinum> is anyone of you guys testing it out on a maemo already?
Dec 19 15:42:53 <skibur> hello fellow users
Dec 19 15:43:00 <endorphinum> Hi there :)
Dec 19 15:44:12 <skibur> any word on abiword for OS2008?
Dec 19 15:44:19 <cy3o3> gehhhh
Dec 19 15:44:27 <cy3o3> finally got to the EULA again
Dec 19 15:44:34 <cy3o3> gawd
Dec 19 15:44:55 <derf> I mean, there _is_ a correct way to write it with one i, and that's with a macron: atarashī.
Dec 19 15:45:35 <chandler> the osso-xterm in the new 2008 still sucks
Dec 19 15:47:21 <cy3o3> skibur: word processing on the n800 eh
Dec 19 15:47:22 <cy3o3> heh
Dec 19 15:47:31 <endorphinum> derf: thanks, you are right, maybe i should change that, as the name keeps the same. Have you tried to read it on your maemo?
Dec 19 15:49:26 <hahlo> any usenet news readers for os2007? tin or pan or something?
Dec 19 15:51:02 <tontsa> hahlo, you can search for software from many repos at http://www.gronmayer.com/it
Dec 19 15:51:14 <cy3o3> yeesh, finally started grabbing OS2k8
Dec 19 15:51:41 <endorphinum> Hey Tontsa.... can i feature you with that page on the next issue of my ezine?
Dec 19 15:51:44 <cy3o3> But I'm on an OC192 and getting 10k/sec :P  heh
Dec 19 15:51:57 <tontsa> endorphinum, not my page really. just a user
Dec 19 15:52:08 <endorphinum> ah, ok. thanx.
Dec 19 15:52:50 <FMZ> cy3o3: I'm coming to visit you.  PM me your full address, plzkthx.  ;)
Dec 19 15:52:51 <hahlo> tontsa: tried to do that, haven't found any yet
Dec 19 15:53:14 <cy3o3> FMZ: Hehe, at work :P
Dec 19 15:53:31 <FMZ> I'm fine with that... :D
Dec 19 15:53:36 <cy3o3> hehe
Dec 19 15:57:10 <hyphn> hi bods
Dec 19 15:59:39 <tontsa> hahlo, yeah seems bit slim.. there's pan though for 770 :)
Dec 19 16:00:47 <endorphinum> Tontsa: are you talking to me?
Dec 19 16:01:16 <tontsa> hahlo, in the beginning assumes i'm talking to nick "hahlo"
Dec 19 16:02:02 <hyphn> just trying to connect to an NFS from my N770....
Dec 19 16:02:02 <endorphinum> Yeah right, sorry, have not realized that that was a name ;)
Dec 19 16:02:45 <hyphn> running it as root, bit it seems that i need a patched kernel or something aswell ?
Dec 19 16:04:34 <Tak> hmm, gngeo is surprisingly quick on 770
Dec 19 16:05:05 <endorphinum> Could anyone please test out my ezine on his or her device?
Dec 19 16:05:34 <hyphn> @enderphinum what is it?
Dec 19 16:05:50 <hahlo> tontsa can I build pan for bora?
Dec 19 16:06:19 <tontsa> hahlo, prolly with some effort
Dec 19 16:06:26 <endorphinum> hyphn: hyphn: an ezine were i want to present New Stuff. You can view it at http://atarashi.cyberholic.de. It would be awesome if you could check whether it works or not. i do not own a n-series device.
Dec 19 16:07:00 <adammelancon> I don't trust downloading a zip file from a strange source
Dec 19 16:07:02 <hyphn> @endorphinum no probs... i have a N770 - checking now
Dec 19 16:07:18 <endorphinum> Thanks a lot in advance!
Dec 19 16:07:32 <hahlo> wonder why maemo got so few pacgages comparing to debian
Dec 19 16:07:34 <adammelancon> No offence, but why not have a link directly to it on your page instead of a zipped file?
Dec 19 16:07:47 <lardman> In this email: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/tremor/2004-October/001114.html there's a section about making changes to function oggpack_look(...) to make it run on a DSP. It looks like this chap is using sparse buffers (i.e. only 8bits in each 16bit char)
Dec 19 16:07:57 <lardman> does it look like that to anyone else?
Dec 19 16:07:58 <renatofilho> hi guys, Do anybody can give me a link to a example of libalarm use?
Dec 19 16:08:07 <endorphinum> adammeleancon: you can click on the cover and then it opens directly. The download is only if you want to take it with you.
Dec 19 16:08:35 <tontsa> hahlo, maybe you need to compare debian arm-port and maemo port instead of the x86 one
Dec 19 16:08:46 <adammelancon> Ah, gotcha, thanks
Dec 19 16:08:50 <hyphn> @endorphinum erm, that URL is wrong
Dec 19 16:09:29 <hahlo> tontsa: why, ain't they same source?
Dec 19 16:09:55 <tontsa> you still need few tweaks here and there to make it really work on maemo
Dec 19 16:10:10 <tontsa> so lot of effort goes into maintaining the stuff
Dec 19 16:10:21 <endorphinum> hyphn: a thousand times sorry.... try the direct link at http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi/
Dec 19 16:10:29 <dpb_> and maemo doesn't *need* all the stuff that debian has
Dec 19 16:11:05 <hahlo> why?
Dec 19 16:12:54 <hahlo> you easily can have 4gb or more storage, lot of room to programs
Dec 19 16:13:22 <dpb_> Debian also has hundreds of maintainers for packages, Maemo doesn't.
Dec 19 16:13:48 <wnd> just because you can doesn't mean you have or even need to
Dec 19 16:14:33 <hyphn> @endorphinum doesn't seem to load [the flash part] on my N770
Dec 19 16:14:46 <wnd> of course if you take it as a challenge it's a different story
Dec 19 16:15:12 <hyphn> probably because i'm using a stock n770, which comes with flash version 0.0001 (or something)
Dec 19 16:15:30 <hyphn> why did u choose to do it using flash in the first place?
Dec 19 16:15:30 * dpb_ wonders why people use the term 'N770', as there is no such device out there.. only '770'..
Dec 19 16:15:39 <endorphinum> hyphn: as it is 4 Megabytes big it could take a while - is it possible to you to download the zip? I just found one zip tool under the maemo downloads, so i was wondering if zip is supported by maemo....
Dec 19 16:16:10 <endorphinum> hyphn: if you test it out on a normal browser you will see that it has a so called "page-flip" effect. This means that you can turn the pages like in real life
Dec 19 16:16:20 <endorphinum> ... thats why i have choosen flash :)
Dec 19 16:16:27 <hahlo> I accidentally bought n800 cause somebody said that it runs debian system but that is not true
Dec 19 16:16:28 <hyphn> @dpb_ try googling 770 then try N770
Dec 19 16:17:50 <_berto_> dpb_: N from Nokia :P
Dec 19 16:17:52 <hyphn> seen it on a desktop browser, where it works ok
Dec 19 16:18:00 <_berto_> (yeah, I know what the official name is)
Dec 19 16:18:10 <dpb_> _berto_: then people should use NN800 and NN810.. :)
Dec 19 16:18:47 * sp3000 feeds dpb_ to an automatic atm machine
Dec 19 16:18:48 <hyphn> the unit itself doesn't have any kind of number/label on it
Dec 19 16:19:01 <hyphn> perhaps we should just call it the _______ ?
Dec 19 16:19:02 <shackan> hahlo: but that's not wrong either
Dec 19 16:19:03 <Fang64> rofl
Dec 19 16:19:21 <dpb_> eek, I'm not automatic food!
Dec 19 16:19:30 * zuh often uses NNGGHHH when using my N800, but I guess that doesn't count
Dec 19 16:19:33 <mgedmin> hahlo: well, maemo is based on debian
Dec 19 16:20:18 <hahlo> haven't found even decent browser yet like links2 or dillo
Dec 19 16:20:34 <shackan> lol..
Dec 19 16:20:42 <shackan> hahlo: what does that have to do with debian?
Dec 19 16:21:01 <hyphn> behind the battery cover... Type: SU-18 Model: 770
Dec 19 16:21:07 <_berto_> dpb_: indeed :D
Dec 19 16:21:09 <dpb_> hahlo: you can always port one..
Dec 19 16:21:10 <hyphn> SU-18  what's all that about?
Dec 19 16:21:48 <Tak> download dillo source, run dpkg-buildpackage, enjoy a guinness
Dec 19 16:22:09 <shackan> Tak: it's not so easy :P
Dec 19 16:22:27 <dpb_> shackan: have you tried it?
Dec 19 16:23:01 <shackan> dpb_: I've tried to build non trivial software, and had to curse every time I had to fetch a dependency by hand
Dec 19 16:23:09 <Tak> shackan: particularly for me - I have a terrible bottle opener
Dec 19 16:23:37 <dpb_> Tak :)
Dec 19 16:23:40 <zuh> shackan: apt-get build-dep is your friend then... :)
Dec 19 16:23:55 <zuh> hmm
Dec 19 16:23:57 <zuh> or not
Dec 19 16:24:05 <shackan> zuh: not if the package you depend upon is not among the handful provided by nokia
Dec 19 16:24:07 <zuh> (if it's not in maemo repos...)
Dec 19 16:24:12 <zuh> right
Dec 19 16:24:12 <shackan> exactly
Dec 19 16:24:16 <tontsa> i'm just happy that someone has built perl for me. that's all i need to be productive
Dec 19 16:24:40 <dpb_> you can be productive with perl? :O
Dec 19 16:24:48 <shackan> tontsa: but I don't obfuscate code for a living :D
Dec 19 16:24:53 <tontsa> yep. i make lots of money using perl :)
Dec 19 16:25:15 <tontsa> shackan, it's just brain optimized, not obfuscated :)
Dec 19 16:25:42 <shackan> tontsa: does this have anything to do with being the only person on earth able to understand and maintain a system you wrote years ago? :D
Dec 19 16:26:20 <tontsa> nope. my stuff is well documented and got other people too working on the same stuff
Dec 19 16:26:22 <lardman> derf: do you have experience of the oggpack functions?
Dec 19 16:26:33 <derf> lardman: Yes.
Dec 19 16:26:37 <tontsa> you can do bad/obfuscated stuff with any language
Dec 19 16:26:55 <lardman> derf: looking here for example: http://svn.xiph.org/branches/lowmem-no-byte/Tremor/bitwise.c
Dec 19 16:27:11 <dpb_> tontsa: perl leads the way though
Dec 19 16:27:24 <lardman> derf: assuming a byte is 16bits, I will rpesumably need to remove the 8 and 24bit parts off oggpack_look()
Dec 19 16:28:01 <tontsa> dpb_, i'g guess on php nowadays since it has 100x more global functions than perl :)
Dec 19 16:28:10 <tontsa> and random global constants
Dec 19 16:28:11 <derf> That function certainly seems to be assuming that the bytes are not packed two to a char.
Dec 19 16:28:34 <derf> And I'm assuming you don't want to waste twice the RAM.
Dec 19 16:28:47 <lardman> derf: curiously the email from Roland to the mailing list lists that function with no modifications (other than some casts): http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/tremor/2004-October/001114.html
Dec 19 16:30:11 <Mikho> Hello, could someone help? I need to create a GtkTreeView model in which there is a column that contains several types of cells, for example images or text. I could consider writing my own GtkCellRenderer, but I'd like to know if it's even possible before I start working
Dec 19 16:30:18 <derf> "compressed char-buffers" <- sounds like he hadn't gotten that far, yet.
Dec 19 16:30:28 <lardman> ah yes
Dec 19 16:30:44 <derf> He apparently was willing to waste twice as much memory.
Dec 19 16:31:26 <lardman> here's my take on it: http://people.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/nokia770/dsp/vorbisdec/bitwise.c
Dec 19 16:31:51 <lardman> must have been a pain to read the data in like that with only 8bits per byte
Dec 19 16:32:10 <derf> Well, I assume he just unpacked it on the ARM side.
Dec 19 16:32:32 <derf> Should be a simple for loop, as opposed to completely rewriting the bitpacker.
Dec 19 16:32:45 <lardman> where's the fun in that?! ;)
Dec 19 16:32:50 <derf> Yeah, really.
Dec 19 16:33:04 <lardman> well I've rewritten it, I've got to try it now
Dec 19 16:34:23 <lardman> going to be some issue with bits in _lookspan() and oggpack_look(), need to sit down and work out how to fix that
Dec 19 16:35:23 <hyphn> does anyone know if it is possible to take a complete image of the internal filesystem?
Dec 19 16:35:55 <hyphn> i want to try out 2007he but want to go back to my existing 2006 if it all goes tits up...
Dec 19 16:36:01 <milhouse> you mean as you might when cloning the os?
Dec 19 16:36:13 <hyphn> yes
Dec 19 16:36:24 <hyphn> (i think)!
Dec 19 16:36:33 <derf> lardman: The if(...){ ... end+=1;} end=head->length; certainly doesn't look right.
Dec 19 16:36:39 <milhouse> how did you find this place but manage not to find the dozens of instructions for OS cloning???
Dec 19 16:36:41 <milhouse> :)
Dec 19 16:36:53 <tontsa> i guess hyphn is looking for something like "deflasher"
Dec 19 16:36:56 <lardman> derf: in _lookspan?
Dec 19 16:37:00 <derf> lardman: Yes.
Dec 19 16:37:14 <lardman> derf: ok, I'll have a look at it
Dec 19 16:37:16 <derf> Why are you incrementing if if you're then assigning to it?
Dec 19 16:37:17 <lardman> derf: thanks
Dec 19 16:37:31 <milhouse> if you want to clone your os in really easy steps: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8631
Dec 19 16:37:33 <lardman> good point, I was just copying from the code above
Dec 19 16:37:53 <lardman> but _lookspan does something slightly different
Dec 19 16:37:55 <hyphn> @milhouse groovy - thanks, looking
Dec 19 16:38:10 <derf> Well, you need to decide if length is the number of bytes or the number of chars in the buffer.
Dec 19 16:38:27 <lardman> length is 8bit bytes
Dec 19 16:39:17 <hyphn> @milhouse i keep ending up finding stuff to do with dual booting off of the mmc & all that stuff... this is what i need :-)
Dec 19 16:39:33 <lardman> derf: home time, should be on later/tomorrow if you have any thoughts
Dec 19 16:39:38 <derf> Okay, well, in your test in the if() clause, end is always zero, since that's the loop condition.
Dec 19 16:39:44 <derf> lardman: Okay.
Dec 19 16:39:48 <lardman> cheers
Dec 19 16:44:47 <Tak> pupnik: getting 30fps with samurai shodown on gngeo
Dec 19 16:44:51 <Tak> on 770
Dec 19 16:45:05 <endorphinum> Tak: how can you check how many fps you have?
Dec 19 16:46:43 <hahlo> does glxgears work in os2007?
Dec 19 16:47:09 <Tak> there's an option in this program to display fps
Dec 19 16:47:20 <Tak> hahlo: no accelerated 3d
Dec 19 16:49:00 <pupnik> wow nice
Dec 19 16:49:19 <pupnik> does it *look* like 30fps?
Dec 19 16:49:27 <pupnik> i've seen fps counters very off on snes
Dec 19 16:51:09 <Tak> yeah, it looks like 30fps
Dec 19 16:51:12 <VRe> Application manager hangs, high depand probably like with the image I suppose
Dec 19 16:51:32 <Tak> there's some animated fire in the background, and it's really updating quickly
Dec 19 16:51:54 <pupnik> unscaled, right?
Dec 19 16:52:13 <Tak> xsp-scaled to fullscreen
Dec 19 16:53:20 <pupnik> woohoo
Dec 19 17:08:24 <endorphinum> hyphn... are you still there?
Dec 19 17:08:31 <hyphn> yes
Dec 19 17:08:38 <ph|ber> is there something special to do to enable the gps on the 810 with maemo mapper??
Dec 19 17:08:47 <hyphn> it didn't work on my 770
Dec 19 17:08:49 <ph|ber> i have it set to /dev/pgps but says cant.
Dec 19 17:09:10 <ph|ber> gpsdriver is running.
Dec 19 17:11:10 <endorphinum> i have put a preloader in front of the file, so that you should - at least - see if there is something happening.
Dec 19 17:13:09 <endorphinum> It is only now, could you try it again? That would be so awesome!
Dec 19 17:13:34 <endorphinum> The link is http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi
Dec 19 17:13:51 <lardman> re
Dec 19 17:14:45 <hyphn> @endorphinum i get the spining circle but not the % progress
Dec 19 17:15:10 <hyphn> 770 only has flash version 6 - that might be the problem (?)
Dec 19 17:15:14 <endorphinum> hyphn: thanks a lot. that should mean that it ain`t the newest flash plugin....
Dec 19 17:15:16 <endorphinum> :)
Dec 19 17:15:38 <gpd> I have got the os2008 image  but need flasher3 - anyone have for linux?
Dec 19 17:16:08 <lardman> derf: I've moved the offending bits+=8 and end+=1 to after the assignment to end, that should then behave more as I want (I think)
Dec 19 17:16:13 <hyphn> @endorphinum flash is pants on 770 anyway!
Dec 19 17:18:09 <pupnik>  nick reminds me of endurium from the game Star Flight
Dec 19 17:19:09 <gpd> If you throw me the flasher3 I can upload the os2008 to my server for faster downloads... :)
Dec 19 17:19:56 <endorphinum> Hyphn, sorry for not telling that, i thought that it is in there. Thanks a lot
Dec 19 17:21:16 <gpd> http://www.pccorner.us/bbttcom/flasher3/flasher-3.0
Dec 19 17:22:29 <hyphn> @endorphinum no probs - cya
Dec 19 17:34:21 <L0cutus> any news about cloning to SD the new official os2008 ?
Dec 19 17:35:59 <endorphinum> Anyone out there owning a n800 and willing to test out my ezine?
Dec 19 17:44:14 <FMZ> endorphinum: If mine were working, I'd happily do it.  Battery dead.
Dec 19 17:44:30 <FMZ> What's the URL?  I'll check it out later.
Dec 19 17:48:31 <endorphinum> FMZ: Thanks a lot. it is http://www.cyberholic.de/atarashi instead of just downloading it, it woulb be great if you could try it out online. But if you want to: download and carrit with you :)
Dec 19 17:50:36 <FMZ> Nice... as soon as I get a chance I'll check it out
Dec 19 17:53:55 <_Shurik_> os2008 - I Like! Great Success ( C) Borat
Dec 19 17:54:03 <Fang64> lol
Dec 19 17:54:19 <_Shurik_> if only I could figure out why my GPS is not being recognized now
Dec 19 17:54:27 <_Shurik_> or I have to use mapper only?
Dec 19 17:56:31 <Fang64> endorphium: that's pretty cool
Dec 19 17:58:03 <FMZ> endorphinum: Great idea on the eZine (viewing it on my desktop right now)
Dec 19 17:59:10 <Fang64> yup doing the same here lol
Dec 19 17:59:45 <_Shurik_> so gps, anyone?
Dec 19 17:59:55 <_Shurik_> works for you or no? (n800)
Dec 19 18:00:32 <tontsa> i might be bored enough to try it soon. i have n810 and also external bt-gps module
Dec 19 18:01:35 <ol_schoola> endorphinum: ping?
Dec 19 18:03:48 <ol_schoola> endorphinum: Web- atarashi - 800 x 4800 optimized ezine is not responding. Close app?
Dec 19 18:03:52 <FMZ> endorphinum: A quick navigation (index?) would be helpful, as well as a link to go straight to it.
Dec 19 18:03:59 <ol_schoola> 4800 is not a typo
Dec 19 18:04:21 <FMZ> Impressive resolution you got there ol_schoola ;)
Dec 19 18:04:52 <_Shurik_> 10 n800s stacked vertically?? :)
Dec 19 18:05:00 <ol_schoola> not me ;) just what the browser kicked back to me. that would be one TALL tablet
Dec 19 18:05:10 <L0cutus> FMZ, there is a 'goto page'
Dec 19 18:05:44 <FMZ> Ahh, I see that now... a link back to it from any page would be very helpful tho.
Dec 19 18:07:13 <ol_schoola> reloaded, works now. very nice
Dec 19 18:19:07 <Thanatermesis> dual boot is supported on 2008 ? i can flash the init menu stuff safely ?
Dec 19 18:19:15 <ph|ber> whats up with the maemo repo..
Dec 19 18:19:19 <ph|ber> slow... at best..
Dec 19 18:19:38 <Tak> hmm - that was actually 30fps with soft-scaling
Dec 19 18:19:48 <_Shurik_> I can't even download dbm3
Dec 19 18:20:09 <hahlo> why no mirrors?
Dec 19 18:20:38 <_Shurik_> probably not enough traffic daily
Dec 19 18:20:42 <_Shurik_> but now everyone is updating
Dec 19 18:20:50 <_Shurik_> so might just wait couple of days
Dec 19 18:21:02 <Thanatermesis> hahlo: because maemo is too lazy to sign packages and now don't have confiance on mirrors :)
Dec 19 18:21:30 <hahlo> whois maemo.org anyway, nokia?
Dec 19 18:23:12 <ol_schoola> _Shurik_: it has BEEN a couple of days. i'm a patient person but this is ridiculous. NOKIA. they are not struggling for capital or operational funds. something is wrong, wrong wrong with the whole maemo thing
Dec 19 18:23:43 <_Shurik_> I guess... that's the problem with "free"
Dec 19 18:24:22 <ol_schoola> maemo is where the open source ppl meet and organize their work. it is run by Nokia ppl that are responsible for thew closed source end of things (i think that's how it goes)
Dec 19 18:24:50 * Thanatermesis spank nokia big-fish-boss hard :)
Dec 19 18:25:15 <hahlo> it could be political matter too
Dec 19 18:25:40 <Tak> is that the one where you need the grappling hook?
Dec 19 18:25:59 <ol_schoola> i don't think there's anything to stop the open/third-party dfevelopers from just blowing off maemo, using their own lists, get a real trac site going, mediawiki for the wiki -- forget the broke-as-poo enviro they have now, what's it called?
Dec 19 18:26:27 <hahlo> one of they employee spoke that gsm/gprs chip left out in purpose cause they OS is symbian
Dec 19 18:26:40 <Thanatermesis> _Shurik_: no, thats the problem of "enterprises" and comercial interests ;)
Dec 19 18:26:57 <Tak> why mediawiki if you've already got trac?
Dec 19 18:27:07 <ol_schoola> Thanatermesis:  indeed
Dec 19 18:27:20 <ol_schoola> trac's wiki blows chunks
Dec 19 18:27:36 <ol_schoola> take a look at how MythTV organized their online resources
Dec 19 18:27:40 <hahlo> rubber boot factory apparently wants people use symbian, not linux
Dec 19 18:27:50 <_Shurik_> Thanatermesis: I'm from former USSR, "Enterprises and commercial interests" do work I tell you :)
Dec 19 18:27:55 * Tak likes trac's wiki
Dec 19 18:28:17 <_Shurik_> aa yeah,  Paired GPS
Dec 19 18:28:20 <_Shurik_> had to take battery out
Dec 19 18:28:35 <Thanatermesis> haha
Dec 19 18:29:38 <ol_schoola> trac's may be fine for some but some of the elders here have already expressed disdain for it, i said mediawiki because it is pretty much universally known, and it works
Dec 19 18:29:52 <Thanatermesis> well _Shurik_, anyways, if there's more "free" than what is... ppl can made MIRRORs where's no problem to use the repositories
Dec 19 18:30:16 <Thanatermesis> _Shurik_: since the packages are signed, there's no any reason to worry about anything
Dec 19 18:30:53 <ol_schoola> Thanatermesis: my original idea was to take EVERYTHING non-official-Nokia and bring it to a new home, not run by Nokia
Dec 19 18:31:11 <Thanatermesis> ol_schoola: well, this is a problem for that...
Dec 19 18:31:25 <_Shurik_> So yes, mirrors would be nice
Dec 19 18:31:35 <ol_schoola> but by the community, which seems to be VERY eager to provide a better solution
Dec 19 18:31:42 <Thanatermesis> ol_schoola: if there's not payed workers... who can "lost" his full day on this hobby to finally make a very good READY-to-use system ? :)
Dec 19 18:32:16 <Thanatermesis> ol_schoola: everytime, the community is more eager, yes, also since more new users come to the "free happy world"
Dec 19 18:32:51 <ol_schoola> Thanatermesis: what about all the guys like Dag and Axel that do the Fedora repos? They seem to have managed to work it into their free time. I'm just saying it IS possible
Dec 19 18:33:12 <hahlo> I think I try mamona if it would be any better
Dec 19 18:33:22 <ol_schoola> and I refer back to Myth again. totally free/open project. all volunteer.
Dec 19 18:33:25 <Thanatermesis> Tak: ol_schoola: mediawiki on maemo.org ? nokia got crazy ? lol, if there's blocked servers due to the repositories only... i can't imagine what happens if they install the pretty-bloated mediawiki  lol
Dec 19 18:33:35 <Thanatermesis> and i agree, Trac wiki r00lz!
Dec 19 18:33:51 * Tak agree and ^5 Thanatermesis 
Dec 19 18:34:09 <Thanatermesis> :)
Dec 19 18:34:24 <ol_schoola> Thanatermesis: reread what i suggested.
Dec 19 18:35:04 <Thanatermesis> ol_schoola: well, i don't mean that's not possible, but i don't see ANY system actually in the level of maemo OS, that ready-to-use... i mean, the end-user not needs to open a terminal for any thing, on reality (for example configure the network, lol)
Dec 19 18:35:12 <hahlo> if mamona is as bad as this os2007/os2008 I give this tablet to fishs
Dec 19 18:35:13 <ol_schoola> let Nokia handle their official repo as they see fit. all the non-Nokia stuff get's it's own home, not on Nokia network
Dec 19 18:35:42 <ol_schoola> run by the community
Dec 19 18:36:50 <Thanatermesis> anyways, is mamona the only "free alternative" available ?
Dec 19 18:38:48 <hahlo> somebody said that openmoko can be run with many diffrent devices, dunno if this rubber tablet thou
Dec 19 18:39:11 <thoughtfix> Rubber tablet? Huh? ;)
Dec 19 18:39:30 <birunko> lol
Dec 19 18:40:20 <Thanatermesis> and how good "ready" is mamona actually ?
Dec 19 18:42:13 <Thanatermesis> In Brazilian Portuguese Mamona means the castor oil plant
Dec 19 18:42:29 <Thanatermesis> lol, on spanish (very like to portuguese), means a insult for a girl
Dec 19 18:43:11 <Tak> hmm, I hadn't heard that one
Dec 19 18:43:17 * Tak add "mamona" to vocabulary
Dec 19 18:43:47 <MoRpHeUz>  hehe
Dec 19 18:43:53 <birunko> ow god
Dec 19 18:43:54 <thoughtfix> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mamona
Dec 19 18:43:58 <birunko> it again
Dec 19 18:44:02 <ol_schoola> hmmm,  mamona was started by INdT. aren't they part of Nokia?
Dec 19 18:44:04 <birunko> lol
Dec 19 18:44:11 <thoughtfix> It's ... beautiful
Dec 19 18:44:23 <thoughtfix> Nokia and INdT are affiliated but I don't know how much
Dec 19 18:44:36 <Tak> "...is said to lead one down the wrong path"
Dec 19 18:44:43 <Tak> what an excellent choice for a project name
Dec 19 18:45:08 <_berto_> yeah, mamona in spanish is an insult
Dec 19 18:45:44 <Thanatermesis> mamona is a OS or a build-environment ?
Dec 19 18:45:56 <aCiDBaSe> (es)mamona -> (pt_BR)boquete
Dec 19 18:46:08 <andrunko> lol
Dec 19 18:46:18 <fnordianslip> hi. is the user-inflicted DDOS of maemo.org now over? if, er, my friend was mirroring the n800 binary, should he take it down now?
Dec 19 18:46:52 <_berto_> (es)boquete -> (en)hole
Dec 19 18:46:59 <Thanatermesis> who DDOS maemo.org ? mr gates ?
Dec 19 18:47:00 <birunko> aCiDBaSe, portuguese classes?
Dec 19 18:47:02 <birunko> lol
Dec 19 18:47:05 <fnordianslip> we did
Dec 19 18:47:26 <Thanatermesis> mmh, or maybe mr jobs :)
Dec 19 18:47:37 <aCiDBaSe> (es)boquete -> (pt_BR)buraco
Dec 19 18:48:04 <fnordianslip> Mr Job helped "my friend" mirror the n800 image on his .mac sever ;-)
Dec 19 18:48:20 <Thanatermesis> maybe the iphone's of the world has a ping -f to maemo.org daemon lol
Dec 19 18:48:21 <Masca> any new on the tickets?
Dec 19 18:48:30 <fnordianslip> <missing chars blamed on MacBook Pro keyb bug>
Dec 19 18:48:50 <vivijim> Thanatermesis: Mamona is an OS that you can use as SDK emulated in your PC. You can use it to compile your code to armv6 but we don't have any maemo compatibility yet...
Dec 19 18:48:50 <Thanatermesis> fnordianslip: what keys ?
Dec 19 18:48:59 <thoughtfix> Mmm. haha
Dec 19 18:49:07 <_berto_> aCiDBaSe: buraco is pt_PT too ;)
Dec 19 18:49:18 <Thanatermesis> vivijim: ok
Dec 19 18:49:22 <thoughtfix> Why don't we suggest that Nokia release all subsequent software releases AS torrents?
Dec 19 18:49:43 <fnordianslip> normally the first one i hit when i haven't typed in a while, plus scattered others
Dec 19 18:50:01 <aCiDBaSe> _berto_: yes, s/_BR//
Dec 19 18:52:11 <Jiten> thoughtfix: it's been suggested and rejected plenty of times. They want some sort of access control.
Dec 19 18:52:46 <thoughtfix> Blah
Dec 19 18:52:59 <Thanatermesis> is not there a way to recompile ALL the debian repository to the maemo "version" ? apt-build maybe ?
Dec 19 18:53:04 <thoughtfix> Access control? Void the tracker :D
Dec 19 18:53:31 <fnordianslip> Maybe they should mail out CDs ...
Dec 19 18:53:47 <inz> Thanatermesis, all of debian, how big of a compile farm do you have?
Dec 19 18:54:16 <Jiten> thoughtfix: I mean, currently the people calling the shots at Nokia think they have access control since the most obvious way to get at the files is through a form that requires S/N of n8x0 device to let you download.
Dec 19 18:54:23 <glass_> Jiten: they could make their own torrent client.. nokia already has their crappy download manager thingy
Dec 19 18:54:31 <glass_> torrentlike client
Dec 19 18:54:40 <Thanatermesis> inz: well, my amd64 X2 don't sleep, i can run it on a nice -n 15 maybe :)
Dec 19 18:55:12 <Thanatermesis> inz: on that way we can have ALL the packages possible to install, abiword, gnumeric, w00t!
Dec 19 18:55:30 <inz> Thanatermesis, by the time it's finished, Nokia has released ITOS2015 ;)
Dec 19 18:55:45 <Jiten> Of course, I guess that could be solved by torrenting a password protected zip or something and only giving the password through the S/N form
Dec 19 18:55:49 <inz> Thana, and all the packages you built would be outdated
Dec 19 18:56:15 <Thanatermesis> inz: really ? how much time takes that ?
Dec 19 18:56:44 <inz> Thana, well, not quite that long, but quite long enough anyway
Dec 19 18:56:57 <Thanatermesis> well, at least we can have packages available :)
Dec 19 18:56:57 <ph|ber> maemo needs a freakin mirror
Dec 19 18:57:13 <Thanatermesis> the problem is, how to do "apt-build world" since the system is other ?
Dec 19 18:57:45 <Thanatermesis> i mean... the debootstrap is from maemo, but the deb-src is from debian... the dependencies are different, apt-build needs to build first the dependencies, correct ?
Dec 19 18:58:27 <Thanatermesis> mmh, or use packages from debian, that's not possible ? (maybe a bit ugly)
Dec 19 18:59:35 <ol_schoola> fnordianslip: i've just begun to notice that on my mbp lately. when did you first start seeing it?
Dec 19 19:02:05 <fnordianslip> hmmm.  think it was there before leopard, but  only had it about 2 weeks before 10.5 came out, and that may have been finger trouble, with me getting used to the keyboard... the very recent update doesn't seem to have fixed it, but that could also be finger trouble
Dec 19 19:03:16 <ol_schoola> hmm, still running tiger and i see it but just in the last month or so, seems to be when i roust the backlight back to full intensity, it skips a stroke or two
Dec 19 19:04:00 <fnordianslip> oesn't seem related to my keyb lights (there we go...notice the missing d)
Dec 19 19:05:55 <Thanatermesis> ol_schoola: fnordianslip, what keys not works on your mbp ?
Dec 19 19:06:44 <fnordianslip> well, all of them work, but not when they are the first char i type in a while
Dec 19 19:07:06 <Thanatermesis> fnordianslip: ol_schoola, i need to go out of X now, maybe you got interessed on http://www.elivecd.org/Download/MacBook
Dec 19 19:07:10 <Thanatermesis> see ya
Dec 19 19:08:06 <fnordianslip> cheers.  i'll have a gander
Dec 19 19:12:50 <fnordianslip> hmmm...only 66% geek...must be a mistake
Dec 19 19:17:27 <BeBraw> fnordianslip: what's the rest 34%?
Dec 19 19:17:41 <fnordianslip> idiot, i think.
Dec 19 19:18:34 * thoughtfix wanders back
Dec 19 19:30:24 <FMZ> thoughtfix: kudos on the review
Dec 19 19:31:13 <thoughtfix> Thank you
Dec 19 19:31:18 <thoughtfix> the review kicked my ass last night
Dec 19 19:41:40 <Tak> damn
Dec 19 19:41:47 <Tak> pupnik: 40-50 fps with xsp doubling
Dec 19 19:41:54 <Tak> and it really does seem like that
Dec 19 20:04:33 <mschoolbus> hello
Dec 19 20:04:42 <guardian_> hi
Dec 19 20:19:19 <timelyx> thoughtfix: nokia paid for a mirror network
Dec 19 20:19:33 <timelyx> specifically akamai as people have noted in some ping traces
Dec 19 20:20:11 <timelyx> unfortunately some portion of things are misconfigured
Dec 19 20:32:16 <thoughtfix> Huh
Dec 19 20:32:27 <thoughtfix> Akamai and I have had deals in the past. Bad deals.
Dec 19 20:32:41 <thoughtfix> If I were to choose a CDN, it'd probably be Limelight
Dec 19 20:40:05 <maddler> where the hell is Application Manager supposed to store data about repository?
Dec 19 20:40:22 <adammelancon>  in /etc/apt/
Dec 19 20:40:30 <maddler> I tried removing /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon*
Dec 19 20:40:40 <maddler> but they still show in AppMan...
Dec 19 20:40:43 * timelyx frowns
Dec 19 20:40:46 <maddler> even after rebooting...
Dec 19 20:40:48 <adammelancon> might have to refresh after removing
Dec 19 20:40:50 <timelyx> Nokia continues to own
Dec 19 20:40:51 <timelyx> the copy of the Software and the physical media contained in the sales
Dec 19 20:40:51 <timelyx> package and any other copy that You are authorized to make pursuant to
Dec 19 20:40:51 <timelyx> this Agreement.
Dec 19 20:40:52 <timelyx> --
Dec 19 20:40:53 <adammelancon> refresh your app list
Dec 19 20:40:58 <timelyx> nokia owns the physical media??
Dec 19 20:41:01 <adammelancon> it still has the old cache
Dec 19 20:41:19 <timelyx> maddler: /etc/app/sources.list ?
Dec 19 20:41:26 <timelyx> s/app/apt
Dec 19 20:41:27 <maddler> timelyx: is empty... :)
Dec 19 20:42:44 <maddler> damn...
Dec 19 20:43:40 <timelyx> on my device /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list has everything
Dec 19 20:44:04 <adammelancon> yep, mine too
Dec 19 20:44:27 <maddler> same here... the point is that I want to remove all existing repositories...
Dec 19 20:44:31 <adammelancon> after deleting it, you may just have to refresh your application list in application manager
Dec 19 20:44:47 <adammelancon> or type in apt-get update at the command line
Dec 19 20:44:47 <timelyx> apt-get update :)
Dec 19 20:44:49 <maddler> *but* if I remove /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list repos keep showing in App Manager :)
Dec 19 20:44:57 <maddler> let's try
Dec 19 20:45:00 <adammelancon> yes, because you didn't refresh your cache yet
Dec 19 20:45:13 <adammelancon> just a guess though
Dec 19 20:45:26 <maddler> noway!
Dec 19 20:45:39 <maddler> still there after apt-get update
Dec 19 20:46:21 <maddler> it seems to me like there is no direct link between /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Dec 19 20:46:30 <maddler> and repositories shown in app manager
Dec 19 20:47:00 <timelyx> strace :)
Dec 19 20:47:03 <timelyx> or read the code
Dec 19 20:47:04 <maddler> even IF when you refresh application list hildon*.list is being used...
Dec 19 20:47:32 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/
Dec 19 20:48:16 <maddler> timelyx: hehe
Dec 19 20:48:17 <maddler> :)
Dec 19 20:48:27 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=%2Fetc%2Fapt&find=application-manager.*%2Fsrc%2F&findi=&filter=&hitlimit=&tree=chinook
Dec 19 20:48:44 <maddler> strange behaviour...
Dec 19 20:48:55 <maddler> I deleted /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list
Dec 19 20:49:09 <maddler> then changed a repo from within App Manager
Dec 19 20:49:19 <maddler> and... tadaaaaaa... /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list is back!
Dec 19 20:49:55 <maddler> so... yes... App Man stores repositories infos somewhere else... and write to hindon-application-manager.list
Dec 19 20:49:59 <maddler> but it doesn't read from it...
Dec 19 20:50:15 <thoughtfix> mmm
Dec 19 20:50:26 <maddler> so... this basically means I cannot change repositories from command line... :|
Dec 19 20:50:27 <thoughtfix> I'm getting to the point where I NEED an N810
Dec 19 20:50:33 <adammelancon> probably either in /proc or /tmp
Dec 19 20:50:47 <maddler> odd behaviour from my point of view :D
Dec 19 20:50:50 <adammelancon> you should be able to edit hildon-application-manager.list
Dec 19 20:50:54 <maddler> thoughtfix: don't tell that to me... :)
Dec 19 20:50:59 <maddler> adammelancon: I am...
Dec 19 20:51:01 <thoughtfix> Heh.
Dec 19 20:51:03 <thoughtfix> Well
Dec 19 20:51:08 <thoughtfix> More blogging to be done
Dec 19 20:51:15 <maddler> but changes won't actually reflect in APp Manager configuration... :)
Dec 19 20:51:25 <maddler> hehehe... true... true...
Dec 19 20:51:37 <cosmo_> colleague bought 810 this week.. hopefully i get to play with it tomorrow
Dec 19 20:51:37 <adammelancon> i think i backed mine up manually and restored it and it work... from what I can remember
Dec 19 20:51:43 <adammelancon> hummm
Dec 19 20:52:05 <maddler> thoughtfix: sounds like I'll have to wait until Jan 10th... :(
Dec 19 20:52:06 <cosmo_> it mighth be that i also NEED one after that ;)
Dec 19 20:52:16 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/source/hildon-application-manager-2.0.1/src/confutils.h#33
Dec 19 20:52:26 <timelyx>   31 /* The file where we store our catalogues for ourselves.
Dec 19 20:52:26 <timelyx>   32  */
Dec 19 20:52:26 <timelyx>   33 #define CATALOGUE_CONF "/etc/hildon-application-manager/catalogues"
Dec 19 20:52:40 <timelyx> time it took to read: not ery long
Dec 19 20:52:43 <adammelancon> well... there you go
Dec 19 20:52:47 <maddler> timelyx: yup...
Dec 19 20:53:09 <maddler> it's an XML file...
Dec 19 20:54:06 <timelyx> not my problem :)
Dec 19 20:54:15 <timelyx> but please take advantage of the cross reference
Dec 19 20:54:39 <maddler> timelyx: sorry... can't get what you mean... :)
Dec 19 20:54:51 <maddler> (my english sometimes fails)
Dec 19 20:55:01 <timelyx> see url in topic for mxr-test/chinook
Dec 19 20:55:09 <timelyx> it has all the sources for the open components of chinook
Dec 19 20:55:20 <timelyx> and there are also sources for other arrangements
Dec 19 20:55:26 <maddler> oh... sorry...
Dec 19 20:55:33 <maddler> wasn't showing here...
Dec 19 20:55:34 <timelyx> if you want to know how something in chiinook works, it's a lot easier to search/read
Dec 19 20:55:39 <maddler> irss on console... :)
Dec 19 20:55:43 <timelyx> than asking
Dec 19 20:56:02 <timelyx> um... the topic was changed recently... and it's been there for a while :)
Dec 19 20:57:14 <timelyx> anyway, now you know
Dec 19 20:57:39 <timelyx> hrm... sp3000 / thoughtfix... if i read this license correctly
Dec 19 20:58:00 <timelyx> you aren't allowed to take a downloaded version of the os and install it on more than one device :)
Dec 19 20:58:26 <p|> re
Dec 19 20:59:21 <maddler> yep... my fault... but I leave my irssi connection always on... :)
Dec 19 21:00:48 * timeless too
Dec 19 21:01:14 <sp3000> my irssi comes with a fan in my bedroom
Dec 19 21:01:28 * sp3000 should use a nit for a home server :P
Dec 19 21:01:55 <thoughtfix> Hahah
Dec 19 21:02:19 <sp3000> timeless: I guess you need to download another copy for that :P
Dec 19 21:08:00 <timelyx> sp3000: yep
Dec 19 21:15:36 * sp3000 -> z
Dec 19 21:23:51 <Tak> oh yeah - now I just need some images for buttons
Dec 19 21:30:52 <thoughtfix> Shh that's him!
Dec 19 21:31:10 * |R was hoping for the good news today... maybe tomorrow :P
Dec 19 21:31:31 <thoughtfix> Which goodnews?
Dec 19 21:32:32 <|R> activated developer n810's coupon
Dec 19 21:33:18 <|R> I was hoping to get it before christmas... oh well
Dec 19 21:33:26 <maddler> |R: same...
Dec 19 21:33:31 <|R> If i can have it before new year eves that's fine too ;)
Dec 19 21:33:45 <maddler> I'll have to wait until january... when I'll be back from holidays
Dec 19 21:34:23 <thoughtfix> I don't have a developer coupon as I am not a developer - When I sent back my prerelease N810, I was told I'd get a production N810 eventually. Hope it arrives before CES or I'll have to buy/borrow one for the event.
Dec 19 21:34:42 <|R> hehe :)
Dec 19 21:34:59 <|R> Well, if you get it free, that's an even better deal :)
Dec 19 21:37:48 <thoughtfix> Right... IF ;)
Dec 19 21:42:30 <dragorn> thoughtfix: if you're near NYC, the flagship store has had them fairly consistently
Dec 19 21:42:46 <skibur> hello people
Dec 19 21:42:55 <skibur> I just installed pidgin on my computer
Dec 19 21:42:58 <skibur> its nice
Dec 19 21:45:08 * skibur leaving to talk to some techs!
Dec 19 21:46:20 * |R is going to order pizza and fix his n800 ...
Dec 19 21:48:01 <thoughtfix> I'm in Phoenix :(
Dec 19 21:48:18 <maddler> thoughtfix: I can send some pizza anyway... :)
Dec 19 21:53:36 <acydlord> I'm gonna miss ces this year :(
Dec 19 21:54:52 <|R> how interesting is it?
Dec 19 21:54:59 <|R> the only time i went to vegas was for Defcon...
Dec 19 21:55:15 <acydlord> i havent been to defcon in a few years, depressing
Dec 19 21:55:24 <acydlord> i liked ces when i went 2 years ago
Dec 19 21:55:37 <|R> defcon was 2002 i think for me
Dec 19 21:56:03 <|R> but i'm far up in the north east ;)
Dec 19 21:56:08 <mmiller> I don't like going to CES due to the AES going on at the same time..
Dec 19 21:58:55 <acydlord> maybe i should bum a ride from jenna jameson since she'll be heading that way anyway =x
Dec 19 22:05:03 <|R> acydlord haha
Dec 19 22:05:31 <mmiller> acydlord: Maybe if you where a cop..
Dec 19 22:05:50 <acydlord> why if i was a cop?
Dec 19 22:06:10 <|R> put your hands where we _can_t_ see them!
Dec 19 22:06:15 <|R> (urhm.. what? ;)
Dec 19 22:06:39 <mmiller> acydlord: Did you not hear about that one porn star who got out of a speeding ticket and drug charges for having sex with that cop in KY or TN?
Dec 19 22:06:51 <|R> haha
Dec 19 22:07:03 <|R> in KY ? :P
Dec 19 22:09:14 <acydlord> sure didnt
Dec 19 22:11:22 <mozillar> hello
Dec 19 22:11:59 <mozillar> Is there a Flickr uploader for Maemo?
Dec 19 22:12:31 <acydlord> there was, dunno if there still is
Dec 19 22:12:34 <acydlord> nflick
Dec 19 22:12:49 * Skrylar pokes head up
Dec 19 22:12:50 <acydlord> and te mhshottool will upload screenshots to flickr
Dec 19 22:12:55 <adammelancon> It used to be part of one of the camera apps
Dec 19 22:13:05 * Skrylar pokes FMZ 
Dec 19 22:15:07 <tontsa> n810 really needs some kind of assisted gps. took almost 8 minutes to get lock on 4 satellites out in the open
Dec 19 22:15:48 <FMZ> Skrylar: Hey man
Dec 19 22:15:58 <|R> tontsa : second time?
Dec 19 22:16:15 <tontsa> |R, first time i succeed getting any type of lock
Dec 19 22:16:38 <Skrylar> And now for fun times in Intel CPU documentation
Dec 19 22:16:48 <|R> tontsa : ok, maybe it's going to be faster now
Dec 19 22:16:58 <|R> does the GPS sets the clock?
Dec 19 22:17:06 <|R> i mean, it's the best NTP you can get ;)
Dec 19 22:17:25 <tontsa> i doubt it
Dec 19 22:17:35 <tontsa> my unit is still in wrong time :)
Dec 19 22:17:57 <|R> hehe
Dec 19 22:18:03 <|R> that would be a great software add-on
Dec 19 22:18:13 <tontsa> not a bad idea though for a script.. since it's quite easy to parse that NMEA
Dec 19 22:19:27 <fnordianslip> but GPS time is skewed from GMT.  a few years ago it was 13 seconds adrift.  not sure about now
Dec 19 22:19:39 <Skrylar> nosebleed oh noes
Dec 19 22:20:41 <|R> fnordianslip : oh, didn't know that, but if it's a well documented and very precise drift, it's still good :)
Dec 19 22:20:59 <mgedmin> GPS time ignores leap seconds, so the diff accumulates
Dec 19 22:21:10 <fnordianslip> think GPS time is known as "UTC via USNO" or similar
Dec 19 22:21:25 <|R> ok
Dec 19 22:21:31 <|R> well thus it's not hard to add :)
Dec 19 22:22:09 <Skrylar> Also note
Dec 19 22:22:21 <Skrylar> Transmission time between the radio and the orbital can cause time drift :P
Dec 19 22:23:02 <fnordianslip> as can your velocity
Dec 19 22:23:20 <tontsa> well it's doable since there are even rack-units that provide ntp time sources from gps clocks
Dec 19 22:23:45 <tontsa> but i doubt that is diffrent scenario since the datacenter is not likely to move much
Dec 19 22:23:53 <fnordianslip> lol
Dec 19 22:23:55 <tontsa> s/doubt/think
Dec 19 22:24:23 <Skrylar> If the datacenter is moving, that means it's either an earthquake or a secret base XD
Dec 19 22:24:53 <tontsa> well you could get those Sun shipping container datacenters
Dec 19 22:25:01 <fnordianslip> moving with respect to what?
Dec 19 22:28:02 <adammelancon> quit
Dec 19 22:28:05 <Skrylar> FMZ: So how is the gizmo conferencing working out?
Dec 19 22:28:07 <adammelancon> oops ;)
Dec 19 22:28:10 <Skrylar> :P
Dec 19 22:28:17 <Skrylar> aww, he left
Dec 19 22:28:34 <tontsa> anyway.. back to the topic. i want the same assisted gps they added to E90 via software
Dec 19 22:34:00 <acydlord> i want an e90
Dec 19 22:34:13 <acydlord> if only one didnt have to take out a second mortgage to afford one
Dec 19 22:35:12 <TIRC_9099> cia
Dec 19 22:35:16 <TIRC_9099> !list
Dec 19 22:35:52 <Skrylar> I have a Sidekick 3 :(
Dec 19 22:36:01 <Skrylar> It would be great if it wasn't for the T-Mobile lockdown
Dec 19 22:37:05 <acydlord> they sure screwed up on the sidekick slide
Dec 19 22:37:27 <acydlord> i kind of miss my ogo
Dec 19 22:38:46 <Skrylar> I haven't heard much about the slide
Dec 19 22:39:13 <Skrylar> Other than they took a Sidekick 3, replaced the swing hinge with a slider, and went on to charge 400$ for it
Dec 19 22:39:30 <Skrylar> Despite Android looming around, threatening the whole user lock-out mentality >_>
Dec 19 22:39:34 * Skrylar hoorays for android.
Dec 19 22:40:02 <acydlord> ahh, the slide keeps shorting out on people
Dec 19 22:40:41 <Skrylar> XD
Dec 19 22:40:46 <acydlord> i remember i had a bunch of friends getting sidekick 3s replaces cause their screen would come off
Dec 19 22:40:57 <Skrylar> The screen on mine is a little wobbly, but the hinge is still solid
Dec 19 22:41:14 <acydlord> one of my friends used to shoot his screen at people lol
Dec 19 22:41:19 <Skrylar> Interestingly the warranty explicitly doesn't cover the fragile hingework in sidekicks
Dec 19 22:41:22 <Skrylar> lol
Dec 19 22:41:37 <Skrylar> SK's still have the best keyboards
Dec 19 22:41:57 <Skrylar> They need to just make it flip up, laptop style
Dec 19 22:42:03 <acydlord> yeah
Dec 19 22:42:14 <acydlord> thats how the ogo was, and the keyboard on it was decent
Dec 19 22:42:16 <Skrylar> and have the back side of the screen a cheap LED so it can still show a "Bob is calling" message
Dec 19 22:42:59 <Skrylar> The fancy clockwork is nice and all, but sliders + hinges tend to be very short lived
Dec 19 22:43:00 <acydlord> i have a samsung a930 for a phone, i love the oled screen on the outside
Dec 19 22:43:19 <Skrylar> Especially the cheap, under-reinforced junk from china
Dec 19 22:43:26 <acydlord> true that
Dec 19 22:44:00 <acydlord> i'm waiting for a modernized version of the 2way pager, since so many people text and email more than they call anymore
Dec 19 22:44:13 <Skrylar> Cost :/
Dec 19 22:44:54 <Skrylar> Sidekicks have cheap data plans
Dec 19 22:45:03 <acydlord> that they do
Dec 19 22:45:13 <Skrylar> What is utterly retarded is that I get charged for random SMS messages despite having "unlimited" SMS
Dec 19 22:45:19 <acydlord> that sucks
Dec 19 22:45:30 <acydlord> i have like 500 sms a month, i need to up that plan
Dec 19 22:45:31 <Skrylar> Email, IM and web is covered.
Dec 19 22:45:40 <Skrylar> I could SMS you, or call you, and the network could gouge me.
Dec 19 22:45:48 <Skrylar> Or I can just Email to your SMS number >_>
Dec 19 22:45:52 <acydlord> the ogo had email, im and sms all unlimited for about $20 a month
Dec 19 22:46:05 <Skrylar> I should've possibly gotten the helio ocean
Dec 19 22:46:06 <acydlord> but when at&t switched to cingular the first time they scrapped it
Dec 19 22:46:11 <Skrylar> It's basically the helio version of a sidekick
Dec 19 22:46:18 <acydlord> yeah, the ocean is nice
Dec 19 22:46:22 <Skrylar> but they hacked it to run Opera
Dec 19 22:46:25 <Skrylar> \o\
Dec 19 22:46:40 <Skrylar> T-Mobile has some utterly useless mozilla cripple on the SK3
Dec 19 22:47:00 <acydlord> that sucks
Dec 19 22:47:04 <Skrylar> It won't report as a mobile device (so you don't get the handheld stylesheets HTML supports)
Dec 19 22:47:35 <Skrylar> No AJAX, no flash, :/
Dec 19 22:47:47 <Skrylar> On the up note, I've only got 1.6 years left of contract :|
Dec 19 22:48:35 <acydlord> i have verizon, everything is crippled with them
Dec 19 22:48:43 <Skrylar> AT&T is going "open"
Dec 19 22:49:00 <Skrylar> Google Android is pushing the carriers to stop crippling everything
Dec 19 22:49:08 <acydlord> i am looking forward to them opening the network up next year as i have about 3 months shy of 2 years left on my contract
Dec 19 22:49:24 <Skrylar> I wonder if I could take a phone that didn't suck and put my SK3 chip in it
Dec 19 22:49:29 <Skrylar> It's just a SIM card, I think
Dec 19 22:50:01 <acydlord> yeah, with t-mobile it's a sim
Dec 19 22:50:14 <Skrylar> Problem is, there are no cheap tetherable phones
Dec 19 22:50:29 <Skrylar> You don't even *get* bluetooth until you get in to the 400$ range
Dec 19 22:50:51 <acydlord> are you serious?
Dec 19 22:51:02 <acydlord> even my phone supports bluetooth dun
Dec 19 22:51:06 <acydlord> and it was free
Dec 19 22:51:33 <Skrylar> wuh?
Dec 19 22:51:40 <Skrylar> there do exist cheap tethering phones?
Dec 19 22:51:51 <Skrylar> Link plox :D
Dec 19 22:52:30 <acydlord> lemme check tmobile's inventory right quick
Dec 19 22:52:45 <Skrylar> I'm curious if that would show up as "data" from a sidekick
Dec 19 22:52:55 <dragorn> my vzw phone after contract was like $100
Dec 19 22:52:57 <dragorn> and has bt
Dec 19 22:53:00 <dragorn> most phones do now
Dec 19 22:53:06 <dragorn> s/most/many/
Dec 19 22:53:06 <infobot> dragorn meant: many phones do now
Dec 19 22:53:11 <dragorn> dammit
Dec 19 22:53:25 <Skrylar> Sidekicks have it
Dec 19 22:53:30 <Skrylar> T-Mobile just made it useless
Dec 19 22:53:31 <dragorn> anyone know if a2dp is working in the new 2008?
Dec 19 22:54:31 <Skrylar> Can you even do the OS update right now? oO
Dec 19 22:54:39 <Skrylar> The servers were all down yesterday
Dec 19 22:54:56 <acydlord> http://urltea.com/2ec0
Dec 19 22:55:03 <acydlord> one of t-mo's better cheap phones
Dec 19 22:55:28 <K`zan> I'm waiting for the smoke to clear and see what is going on with it.  I really am NOT looking forward to re-installing everything again unless there is VERY good reason.
Dec 19 22:55:39 <dragorn> Skrylar: there are many links on ITT for mirros
Dec 19 22:55:41 <dragorn> mirrors
Dec 19 22:56:50 <Skrylar> K`zan: It's supposed to have better power management so you can run at 400mhz now
Dec 19 22:56:53 <Skrylar> instead of 330
Dec 19 22:57:07 <K`zan> :-) How fast does FB reader have to run :-).
Dec 19 22:57:10 <acydlord> man, i want that lg voyage
Dec 19 22:57:11 <acydlord> r
Dec 19 22:57:45 <K`zan> I really am not doing that much with it, right now.  After transitioning from 2007, I am waiting for apps to catch up again.
Dec 19 22:57:52 <Skrylar> acydlord: Do they have any tetherables under 100$?
Dec 19 22:58:04 <Vulc|Bleh> Is there a release date on OS2008 yet?
Dec 19 22:58:10 <Skrylar> It's out now, supposedly
Dec 19 22:58:14 <Vulc|Bleh> Linky?
Dec 19 22:58:19 <acydlord> i didnt see any that are under 100 without renewing
Dec 19 22:58:22 <Skrylar> Servers are down I think :(
Dec 19 22:58:24 <Vulc|Bleh> Haha
Dec 19 22:58:30 <Vulc|Bleh> Everyone tried to
Dec 19 22:58:42 <Vulc|Bleh> Supposedly, 08 has a "back up all applications to memory card" function
Dec 19 22:58:51 <Vulc|Bleh> I don't know if the beta has this, but hopefully.
Dec 19 22:58:54 <Skrylar> such epic new features XD
Dec 19 22:59:03 <Skrylar> "We added a GUI to tar -cjf ..."
Dec 19 22:59:04 <acydlord> i havent seen the feature on the beta
Dec 19 22:59:12 * thoughtfix yawns
Dec 19 22:59:19 <K`zan> I thought it was mostly bug fixes (none of which seem to be affecting me).
Dec 19 22:59:29 <dragorn> vulc: I know it backs up repos and app lists
Dec 19 22:59:36 <dragorn> I didn't know it had a way to back up package content
Dec 19 22:59:37 <dragorn> that'd be handy
Dec 19 22:59:50 <K`zan> Sure would, I HATE reinstalling :-)
Dec 19 22:59:59 <acydlord> it has application list on the backup option
Dec 19 23:00:15 <Vulc|Bleh> give me a sec, going to check
Dec 19 23:00:24 <dragorn> It's also somewhat unintelligent about restoring stuff, it consistently tries pidgin-otr before pidgin main, but that might be a pkg dep issue, too
Dec 19 23:00:34 <K`zan> Reinstalling everything makes me thing of wincrap <shudder>.
Dec 19 23:00:35 <Vulc|Bleh> Don't use pidgin?
Dec 19 23:00:47 <Vulc|Bleh> Just use AIM/MSN/Whatever teleports through the jablet server
Dec 19 23:00:53 <Vulc|Bleh> so you can use the built in jabber client thinger.
Dec 19 23:01:05 <Vulc|Bleh> Actually, isn't pidgin going to be built in for 08?
Dec 19 23:01:14 <dragorn> at least it's smart enough to know which of the backed up list has been restored
Dec 19 23:01:26 <dragorn> that's not a very constructive answer, especially considering that I was talking about OTR
Dec 19 23:01:34 <dragorn> which isn't available afaik for the builtin stuff
Dec 19 23:01:44 <dragorn> and I'm not going to redirect my IMs through yet another third party
Dec 19 23:01:54 <dragorn> I was simply commenting, anyhow, it's not a showstopper bug
Dec 19 23:02:23 <acydlord> i have way too many people on my buddy lists to use jabber transports for my im
Dec 19 23:02:59 <dragorn> I don't really care what IM people use, just saying the app restore function sometimes goes stupid, but at least it recovers moderately gracefully
Dec 19 23:03:32 <Skrylar> Vulc|Bleh: er
Dec 19 23:03:37 <Skrylar> I believe pidgin is supposed to run on 08
Dec 19 23:03:47 <dragorn> It runs on 08, it's not included in the base firmware.
Dec 19 23:03:52 <Vulc|Bleh> I thought I read somewhere that they were trying to integrate it.
Dec 19 23:03:57 <Skrylar> Considering I downloaded it from the Nokia site that said it was for '08 ;)
Dec 19 23:04:13 <dragorn> I suspect the restore problem is the otr package not listing pidgin-main as a dep
Dec 19 23:04:24 <dragorn> or the restore function just ignores deps
Dec 19 23:04:25 <NickDe> it is in the "Maemo Extra's" repo that is "disabled" with this new firmware, just need to enable it and install it + any supporting extras like OTR or sounds
Dec 19 23:04:26 <acydlord> i havent had any luck with the n800 led pidgin plugin =/
Dec 19 23:09:29 <Skrylar> I didn't know there was one
Dec 19 23:10:10 <acydlord> it's in the garage listed as beta
Dec 19 23:19:51 <acydlord> that was obnoxious, my internet connection has been running like crap lately
Dec 19 23:25:21 <kaie> pwsafe is not yet available for os2008. is there something equivalent?
Dec 19 23:26:13 <Skrylar> er, what's the 4byte version of a word?
Dec 19 23:26:23 <Skrylar> i know it goes word and then dword, then <something>
Dec 19 23:26:51 <derf> dword is 4 bytes.
Dec 19 23:26:56 <derf> But you are thinking qword.
Dec 19 23:27:09 <Skrylar> qword is 2?
Dec 19 23:27:19 <derf> qword is 8 bytes.
Dec 19 23:27:25 <derf> q is for quad, 4 words.
Dec 19 23:28:18 <Skrylar> argh, a word is apparently 2
Dec 19 23:28:24 <Skrylar> I only know these by their C names
Dec 19 23:28:59 <derf> And this is all x86-specific, of course.
Dec 19 23:29:40 <Skrylar> Hrmms
Dec 19 23:29:51 <Skrylar> ~13 bytes, not counting alignment bloat
Dec 19 23:29:54 <Skrylar> per instruction :(
Dec 19 23:30:10 <Skrylar> You know
Dec 19 23:30:20 <Skrylar> IIRC you can make any CISC instruction in to RISC instructions
Dec 19 23:30:26 <Skrylar> I should just do that
Dec 19 23:30:30 <derf> Most modern processors do, internally.
Dec 19 23:30:46 <Skrylar> The storage of instructions isn't dependent on x86
Dec 19 23:30:49 <Skrylar> :)
Dec 19 23:31:07 <Skrylar> Because what's happening is a decoder is reading the binary code and converting it to SkryCPUVM
Dec 19 23:31:31 <Skrylar> which can actually be RISC
Dec 19 23:31:43 <derf> I'm just saying, this became standard practice over a decade ago.
Dec 19 23:31:58 <Skrylar> :P
Dec 19 23:32:10 <Skrylar> I've never messed around this low level before, so I wouldn't know much about it.
Dec 19 23:32:58 <Skrylar> ARM is RISC
Dec 19 23:33:02 <Skrylar> so.. hrm
Dec 19 23:33:54 <Skrylar> derf: I think what I need to do is basically do a JIT
Dec 19 23:34:55 <Skrylar> Where it does the x86->skvm at runtime so as to be able to arbitrarily execute whatever a program is trying to do, but somehow set it up to recognize common sets of label/return sequences so it can make ARM equivalents of those on the n800
Dec 20 00:14:36 <ds3> is there a port of qemu for the N800?
Dec 20 01:11:23 <port> I was trying to flash new image, but my N800 just got stuck on the initial NOKIA screen. Flasher utility never got passed "Suitable USB device not found". How do I reboot the N800?
Dec 20 01:11:34 <port> Power button doesn't work
Dec 20 01:19:37 <Vulc|Bleh> port: Remove the battery? I think thats the only way to "reset" it
Dec 20 01:24:24 <port> Vulc|Bleh: Yeah that worked
Dec 20 01:24:36 <port> Vulc|Bleh: But is it ever hard to get out.
Dec 20 01:24:50 <Vulc|Bleh> Yeah
Dec 20 01:25:08 <Vulc|Bleh> dunno how well this will work, but try slipping something under and around it before you put it in
Dec 20 01:32:40 <port> Is the application restore feature suppposed to have worked between OS2008 Beta -> OS2008 ?
Dec 20 01:36:15 <gm> ahh yeah, i should upgrade to the final :)
Dec 20 01:46:34 * Skrylar waits patiently for the servers to unbog
Dec 20 02:05:00 <|R> port: ./flasher-3.0 -R maybe ?
Dec 20 02:37:29 <Vulc|Bleh> Ok, so, is there anything different between 2008 beta and 2008?
Dec 20 02:37:35 <Vulc|Bleh> Anything noticeably*
Dec 20 02:37:45 <Vulc|Bleh> I'm not sure if I flashed the right one, options does not help me
Dec 20 02:38:20 <Vulc|Bleh> about product gives me "Version: <Unknown>"
Dec 20 02:46:12 <jaharkes_> if extras contains a 'get started' menu item you have the latest 2008
Dec 20 02:46:41 <jaharkes_> (I don't think I saw that in the beta)
Dec 20 02:50:02 <Vulc|Bleh> Nope :(
Dec 20 02:50:03 <Vulc|Bleh> Wait
Dec 20 02:50:12 <Vulc|Bleh> Restoring from backup would kill that, right?
Dec 20 02:50:31 <Vulc|Bleh> I only have "Help" in extras
Dec 20 02:51:09 <jaharkes_> I think I restored from backups
Dec 20 02:51:17 <Vulc|Bleh> Well, this sucks.
Dec 20 02:51:19 <jaharkes_> but I didn't reshuffle the menus too much
Dec 20 02:51:47 <Vulc|Bleh> I downloaded the flasher, booted into linux, coppied it over from the NTFS volume because I was lazy, and must have gotten the wrong one
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