**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 21 02:59:56 2007 Dec 21 03:00:40 would this slowness make fmradio not install? Dec 21 03:01:45 mebbeh I should just put my n800 back together since I don't think I'll be getting the new OS today either :( Dec 21 03:03:31 sure Dec 21 03:06:58 * timelyx sighs Dec 21 03:07:01 my irc client got drunk Dec 21 03:08:26 I know this is nokia, do you know if there is a Motorola room? Dec 21 03:14:47 Holy snap, I have os2008 now \o\ Dec 21 03:19:55 * thoughtfix wanders back again Dec 21 03:20:31 <|R> boo :P Dec 21 03:20:52 <|R> (as in the french "boo" not the english "boo"... nevermind ;) Dec 21 03:22:13 eek! Dec 21 03:22:17 rsync is handy <3 Dec 21 03:22:50 Seems like it would get unruly if you didn't keep everything up to sync religiously though Dec 21 03:24:31 cron jobs :D Dec 21 03:24:38 rsync is dangerous Dec 21 03:24:41 does anyone have .debs for python2.5-edbus python2.5-efl-utils Dec 21 03:24:47 that's all I need to finish a canola2 archive. Dec 21 03:24:53 if you're unlucky and the server goes bad, you can end up losing everything Dec 21 03:25:35 you might have the .debs if you recently installed canola2 Dec 21 03:25:45 Hey look I got something to install! Dec 21 03:25:47 ... "camera" Dec 21 03:26:00 Camera? Dec 21 03:26:11 Yeah... Cheesy camera app Dec 21 03:26:20 hey's it's from nokia! Dec 21 03:26:23 lol Dec 21 03:26:27 (not the people who made the platform) Dec 21 03:26:31 another group Dec 21 03:26:34 oh boy Dec 21 03:26:58 but, i bet their repository hasn't melted recently Dec 21 03:28:04 Dear Repositories Dec 21 03:28:13 Plz stop sucking. K. thx. Dec 21 03:28:16 Love, ThoughtFix Dec 21 03:28:22 <[pablo]> the maemo repo's are still down? =/ Dec 21 03:28:39 i'm getting ~8M/s Dec 21 03:28:49 so this is the fastest i've had all day Dec 21 03:28:59 I am referring to canola Dec 21 03:29:22 i'm downloading pool/sardine and extras-devel/pool/chinook Dec 21 03:29:31 <[pablo]> thoughtfix: so your not doing the show right? Dec 21 03:29:40 he blogged a cancel note Dec 21 03:29:47 That's right. Dec 21 03:29:54 Are you the pablo I know offline? Dec 21 03:29:59 <[pablo]> yeah I saw it, was just confirming because it had no details, and he showed up Dec 21 03:30:02 <[pablo]> thoughtfix: the one and only Dec 21 03:30:11 Sweet. Can I borrow your N810? ;) Dec 21 03:30:25 <[pablo]> haha for an article? Dec 21 03:30:36 No. I just miss my review unit. Dec 21 03:30:40 <[pablo]> hahaha Dec 21 03:30:44 <[pablo]> bite me =P Dec 21 03:30:49 Would that help? Dec 21 03:30:57 <[pablo]> depends on how hard you bite ;] Dec 21 03:31:38 Dude I was really drunk that night and you swore you would never speak of it Dec 21 03:32:05 <[pablo]> woops, my bad! Dec 21 03:33:38 I am going to give up on my tablet for the night Dec 21 03:33:46 Go back to installing ubuntu on my Eee Dec 21 03:33:55 And playing Mario Galaxy Dec 21 03:33:57 <[pablo]> heh Dec 21 03:34:03 I think my rsync hung up :| Dec 21 03:34:06 <[pablo]> thoughtfix: i thought you got rid of your wii? Dec 21 03:34:15 skrylar_: which are you rsyncing? Dec 21 03:34:26 os2008 Dec 21 03:34:36 <|R> wtf, my headset doesn't get any sound now in the 2008 final... everything goes through the speakers... did anything change? Dec 21 03:34:37 * timelyx didn't think nokia had an rsync point Dec 21 03:35:45 Dude Dec 21 03:35:47 it's not rsync Dec 21 03:35:49 It's a CDN Dec 21 03:36:12 <|R> Canadian? Dec 21 03:36:23 Content Distribution Network Dec 21 03:36:25 I'm rsync'ing from my other computer ;) Dec 21 03:36:29 oooh Dec 21 03:36:37 But it looks like it hung up :( Dec 21 03:36:43 So I ran a splitter on it Dec 21 03:36:48 Is it well hung? Dec 21 03:36:57 Though it looks like it's going to jam at 33% no matter what Dec 21 03:37:06 oh noop, there it goes Dec 21 03:37:28 the speed is saddening Dec 21 03:37:37 it goes from 60kb/s to 300kb/s randomly Dec 21 03:38:59 <|R> anybody got his headset working in n800/2008final? Dec 21 03:44:47 hi there... I am new to the Maemo community .. but not to the Linux one Dec 21 03:44:50 <[pablo]> so what exactly is happening to every one else when they try and hit the maemo repo's? I get a bunch of gzip errors, I assume because of an incomplete download Dec 21 03:45:31 Yep Dec 21 03:45:39 I am thinking of getting the N800 .... but I was wondering if its possible to have the latest OS 2008 installed on it? Dec 21 03:45:48 What's happening is the server is responding with a "sorry, unavaliable" error, and gzip is saying: WTFMATE! Dec 21 03:46:04 <[pablo]> wolf08: fantastic =) Dec 21 03:46:12 hahaha, that time warner business class commercial inadvertently bashes time warner Dec 21 03:46:52 zetheroo: It can run 2008, yes Dec 21 03:46:53 <[pablo]> zetheroo: technically, yes, you can Dec 21 03:47:04 N800 and N810 isn't a great difference, from what I've seen Dec 21 03:47:10 skrylar: do I have to buy it? Dec 21 03:47:12 No Dec 21 03:47:33 skrylar: so how would one go about installing the newest OS? Dec 21 03:47:40 You'll have to use the interwebs to find it, or refresh the page 80 times a second to get it to download though :( Dec 21 03:48:21 skrylar: is it possible to sync the N800 with a Linux machine? Dec 21 03:48:28 yeah, using rsync Dec 21 03:48:31 I have a Thinkpad T60 with Ubuntu Gutsy Dec 21 03:48:57 there's a GUI version of rsync for the n800 you can configure, and then you can just run the rsync daemon on your laptop Dec 21 03:49:21 <[pablo]> zetheroo: keep in mind rsync is a simple file sync, it won't sync your contacts into the maemo contacts list or anything like that AFAIK Dec 21 03:49:34 oh I see Dec 21 03:49:46 is there a way to do all of that as well? Dec 21 03:49:51 contacts etc? Dec 21 03:49:56 I don't know that anything does a full sync, save for *maybe* an iSync plugin Dec 21 03:50:05 ok Dec 21 03:50:24 well I can do the contact and bookmarks manually Dec 21 03:50:31 Hey - I know this isn't #canola, but if anyone has python2.5-efl-utils as a .deb for maemo, it's all that I'm missing for a complete mirror of the canola2 libs at http://blog.chatonka.com/Canola Dec 21 03:50:34 I think there's one gnome project trying to do that kind of sync though Dec 21 03:50:38 as long as I can sync for file transfer Dec 21 03:51:41 wolf08, sure that there aren't some other dependencies missing? Dec 21 03:52:04 do you install apps on the N800 through the internet connection on the unit itself?.... or do you have to install apps through a computer connected to the N800 device? Dec 21 03:52:17 qos: I'm pretty sure that nothing else is missing. I've installed manually with dpkg -i and I'm whittling down the missing libs. Dec 21 03:53:03 how many files are we talking about? Dec 21 03:54:28 zetheroo: Either one Dec 21 03:54:52 N800's can download files to internal memory or a card, and then install from there. Dec 21 03:54:55 skrylar: so you have access to the distro's repos on the unit as well? Dec 21 03:55:07 Through the application manager, yes. Dec 21 03:55:25 In red-pill mode you can even install some of the less n800 specific linux apps Dec 21 03:55:27 There were 60 libs originally. I was able to batch-get about 40 Dec 21 03:55:43 and then another 15 from another user Dec 21 03:55:48 so I was hunting for 5 Dec 21 03:55:58 skrylar: sounds good Dec 21 03:56:00 and I'm down to the efl-utils Dec 21 03:56:10 skrylar: I might just get me one... Dec 21 03:59:19 Is the macos flasher mirrored anywhere? Dec 21 03:59:59 meh, I should go upstairs and just reflash up there instead of copying the file around Dec 21 04:02:20 wolf08, i checked your files. it seems that there is really just python2.5-efl-util missing Dec 21 04:03:33 Hmm Dec 21 04:03:39 I definetely just installed it Dec 21 04:03:45 let me check. Did you d/l the tarball? Dec 21 04:08:01 wolf08, did you get the last one? Dec 21 04:08:24 Yes I did Dec 21 04:08:41 Quick question - how does one get root access if they can't sudo gainroot (I can, but others can't?) Dec 21 04:10:19 there is a rootme package somewhere ... but i prefer the --enable-rd-mode Dec 21 04:10:35 That's what I use Dec 21 04:11:30 wolf08, i am now using all your files... and it canola installs like a charm Dec 21 04:11:46 sick, that's what I want to hear! Dec 21 04:12:04 starting up ... Dec 21 04:12:15 using it right now ... Dec 21 04:12:17 It's really smooth =) Dec 21 04:12:22 thanks for your effords ;) Dec 21 04:13:50 <[pablo]> wolf08: is the tar file an archive of all the listed files? or is it libraries in addition? Dec 21 04:14:03 It's the libraries needed + canola Dec 21 04:14:20 do you really want to install them all by hand? Dec 21 04:14:43 I did dpkg -i ./* Dec 21 04:15:25 ok, i moved them in my testing repository on my lan server :) Dec 21 04:15:44 =) Dec 21 04:16:00 I'm going to be going to sleep here in about 10 minutes Dec 21 04:16:06 but I can do anything you want until then. Dec 21 04:16:07 but i can give you the Packages.gz so that others can use your webspace as a temporary repository Dec 21 04:16:17 http://eko.one.pl/maemo/dists/bora/user/binary-armel/becomeroot_0.1-2_armel.deb Dec 21 04:16:21 There is the gainroot deb Dec 21 04:16:29 Ok, I would love that Dec 21 04:17:04 wolf08, ever set up an own repository? Dec 21 04:17:52 Yes, once Dec 21 04:18:01 Following directions though.. Dec 21 04:18:16 Which OS do you use? Dec 21 04:18:25 I used ubuntu 7.04 Dec 21 04:18:29 nice Dec 21 04:18:42 My webserver runs centos 4 though.. not my choice Dec 21 04:18:51 but I have a local copy of everything as well Dec 21 04:19:26 re Dec 21 04:19:59 isn't it allowed to send files? Dec 21 04:20:11 =/ Dec 21 04:20:16 you can email them to wolf08 at gmail.com Dec 21 04:20:22 ok Dec 21 04:22:50 <[pablo]> canola is pretty sick =) Dec 21 04:23:07 qos. I've got very little time left. I'm exhausted and I have exams tomorrow. Dec 21 04:23:24 wolf08, its on the way Dec 21 04:23:27 ok =) Dec 21 04:23:35 wolf08, i know the problem Dec 21 04:23:56 yeah? Dec 21 04:25:16 wolf08, i was in your position on tuesday Dec 21 04:25:30 hehe Dec 21 04:29:09 ok I uploaded both Packages.gz and Sources.gz to the directory of the server Dec 21 04:29:12 do I need to do anything else? Dec 21 04:29:28 or is the deb line "deb http://blog.chatonka.com/Canola/ ./"? Dec 21 04:30:53 yes Dec 21 04:31:23 I knew it wasn't me! Dec 21 04:31:38 create the follwing directory structure: /dists/chinook/testing Dec 21 04:31:47 mv the both files in it Dec 21 04:31:51 http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 I screwed up, claims 67, count is 62 and out of those 8 are missing installs. Dec 21 04:32:02 Is screwed up. Dec 21 04:32:20 then create /chinook/testing Dec 21 04:32:28 and move all deb files in it Dec 21 04:32:35 that should be all Dec 21 04:32:58 and the deb line? Dec 21 04:33:21 rep information should be: http://blog.chatonka.com/Canola/ Dec 21 04:33:46 distribution: chinook Dec 21 04:33:47 And "Fresh" means god knows what :). Dec 21 04:33:50 components: testing Dec 21 04:33:50 ? Dec 21 04:33:57 dist = chinook Dec 21 04:34:02 yeah Dec 21 04:34:40 i hope it works :) Dec 21 04:36:19 wolf08, i missed one thing Dec 21 04:36:52 wolf08, the both .gz must go to /dists/chinook/testing/binary-armel/ Dec 21 04:37:03 my mistake Dec 21 04:37:30 Ahh, I see this Dec 21 04:37:31 ok Dec 21 04:40:22 Ok, we're all good Dec 21 04:40:24 Thanks qos Dec 21 04:40:38 wolf08, it was a pleasure ^^ Dec 21 04:42:54 wolf08, did you test it? Dec 21 04:43:11 I am Dec 21 04:43:20 Ok, my n800 can grab the repo just fine Dec 21 04:43:31 But do I need to uninstall my canola to install it from the repo? Dec 21 04:43:47 i think so... Dec 21 04:43:53 Ok, one sec Dec 21 04:44:12 Alright, I have reports from other users that it's working from the repo Dec 21 04:44:20 That's good enough for me. Thank you and goodnight Dec 21 04:44:49 goodnight Dec 21 04:47:58 Hmm. Is anyone else saddened by the fact that OS2008's battery life kinda sucks for playing internet radio? Dec 21 04:48:27 For normal IM it reads out that I get an extra hour or two Dec 21 04:48:51 But If I try to make a Gtalk call or listen to web radio, it dumps down to 4 hours on the lowest setting, which is lower than it used to be Dec 21 04:49:01 (lowest setting == lowest brightness) Dec 21 05:02:07 Skrylar: Are you using headphones? Dec 21 05:02:42 No, the speakers. Dec 21 05:04:38 News makes me sad :( Dec 21 05:05:04 It's been what, five years? Just now they're going to go ahead and actually try the people in guantanamo. >_> *goes off to do something less depressing* Dec 21 05:10:30 Hmm Dec 21 05:10:37 when I get an N810 back in the house Dec 21 05:10:46 Should I do a dissection/reassembly video again? Dec 21 05:13:32 sounds dangerous! Dec 21 05:14:19 <|R> man wtf... Dec 21 05:14:28 would hate for you to mess up your N810 Dec 21 05:14:31 <|R> after 2nd reboot after a flash i loose my headset for some reasons... Dec 21 05:26:55 hello Dec 21 05:27:56 can anyone answer my question? Dec 21 05:28:04 depends on the question Dec 21 05:28:19 im begining fiddling with the N800 Dec 21 05:28:28 and Im a total newb Dec 21 05:28:43 so if I manage to break the operating system Dec 21 05:29:06 I want to know if flashing it will fix it xD Dec 21 05:29:09 If you completely break it you should be able to reflash Dec 21 05:29:20 is that like a factory reset? Dec 21 05:29:26 like, everything Dec 21 05:29:28 But I try not to break it so I have no idea Dec 21 05:29:45 Reflashing? It nukes the entire internal drive and resets it to defaults (basically reinstalls the OS) Dec 21 05:30:01 a bit like format c: then ;) Dec 21 05:30:12 ah good Dec 21 05:30:15 Somewhat, but followed by the installation of linux :P Dec 21 05:30:24 figured d check before i break it and have to buy another -.- Dec 21 05:30:47 hehe :) Dec 21 05:30:59 Unless you're cracking open the case itself, you should always be able to un-brick Dec 21 05:31:06 Granted some situations are harder to unbrick from Dec 21 05:31:30 I read the maemo article on root access Dec 21 05:31:45 and saw the thing about the broken screen Dec 21 05:32:10 I haven't had a need for root access, to be honest. Dec 21 05:32:42 and was just a little worried that i could do something permanent Dec 21 05:33:14 dunno, im just trying to figure out how the machine works so I can tinker with it Dec 21 05:33:40 I dont know that much about linux Dec 21 05:33:57 Stay out of root if you don't know much about linux :X Dec 21 05:34:07 Pretty hard to screw much up in user mode Dec 21 05:34:22 At the worst, you might bork your settings and you'd just have to reconfigure stuff Dec 21 05:34:46 and really the only way that's going to happen if if you start doing any rm -rf's :P Dec 21 05:35:07 -.- thats conforting Dec 21 05:35:22 see i figured i'd get it Dec 21 05:35:29 got to start somewhere Dec 21 05:35:46 I once deleted the C runtime from my linux computer. Dec 21 05:35:49 Fun times. Dec 21 05:36:04 im geussing that bad Dec 21 05:36:13 Every single program uses it :P Dec 21 05:36:18 Even the bootloader, apparently. Dec 21 05:36:36 couldnt you just boot it from another medium and copy a C runtime over Dec 21 05:36:48 I think I installed a new distro Dec 21 05:36:59 That was before I just started using ubuntu for everything Dec 21 05:37:04 theres one way to do it :) Dec 21 05:37:16 I had heard that linux "never crashed" Dec 21 05:37:22 and used Slackware since one guy I talked to used it Dec 21 05:37:36 Couldn't ever get anything installed right, and what was installed was either ancient or borked Dec 21 05:37:53 The first 3 days of gentoo involved the kernel crashing itself for no discernable reason Dec 21 05:37:58 lol Dec 21 05:38:14 -.- Dec 21 05:38:22 i've tried ubuntu Dec 21 05:38:40 It couldn't have anything to do with you bulding it without the correct flags I am sure... Dec 21 05:38:41 its a very good alternative, but i like my games Dec 21 05:39:02 thefool_: I thought about that, but normally you'd expect the default configuration to work :X Dec 21 05:39:16 LOL, um not with gentoo... Dec 21 05:39:28 what stage install did you do? Dec 21 05:39:29 Oh yeah, Mandrake's sound never worked Dec 21 05:39:38 So that one was of limited use to me XD Dec 21 05:40:00 hehe, an OS which needs 'fixed' before you can use it Dec 21 05:40:06 Debian, however, was completely painless and everything worked /o/ Dec 21 05:40:22 And Ubuntu is basically the same thing except the console installer was replaced with a LiveCD Dec 21 05:40:24 Gentoo is a compile it yourself for your specific compuer OS Dec 21 05:40:26 that has a GUI installer Dec 21 05:40:52 So it's actually kind of nice since the LiveCD supported my wifi card Dec 21 05:41:04 I could be on IRC 'nstuff during the install Dec 21 05:41:29 thefool_: Did you see the gentoo taunt from debian? Dec 21 05:41:39 no I haven't Dec 21 05:41:49 dpkg spends 8 weeks recompiling *** to find out it runs the same speed as the binaries. Dec 21 05:41:53 or something to that effect Dec 21 05:43:37 I have to admit, I was pretty late jumping onto the Ubuntu bandwagon. I was a bit elitist with my stage 1 gentoo installs and my barebones slackware fluxbox setup. But to be honest ubuntu was just better. Sure it didn't have quite the optimization but it was more than good enough, took much less time to set up, and the important things worked "out of the box" Dec 21 05:44:27 I didn't notice that it was worth it (gentoo) Dec 21 05:44:46 The speed gain was negligible, combined with the excessive need for vigilance in installing Notepad. Dec 21 05:44:48 I still use it on m server, but other than that... Dec 21 05:45:14 "Oh noes, I might've botched that GCC flag. I might have to recompile X11 completely all over again just to use notepad!!" Dec 21 05:45:22 Skrylar: the speed gains depend largely on how well you profile our system Dec 21 05:45:37 FreeBSD does the recomp from source thing as well Dec 21 05:45:39 Skrylar: lol, had that one... Dec 21 05:45:51 except um Dec 21 05:45:54 FreeBSD's works. Dec 21 05:45:56 lol Dec 21 05:46:00 hey now... Dec 21 05:46:01 lol Dec 21 05:46:20 port installs work out of the box, so tweaking it is pretty much just something you do if you really want to. Dec 21 05:46:21 hmm Dec 21 05:46:35 i have a gripe Dec 21 05:46:56 I have a grape. Dec 21 05:47:04 Gentoo runs quite nicely on my 486 server...it makes a perfect box to test code on. The way I see it if it does not run "fast enough" on a 486 it is not production quality yet Dec 21 05:47:41 this is wierd - ive been looking through this root access thing, so some poor git like me goes and gets openssh and the server is automatically configured on the N800. Seeing as you dont set passwords and settings and stuff, in fact, seeing as i didnt have xterm on it theres no options or anything i could set. So without realising it, ive just unwittingly given root acess to anyone who wants to connect to my device Dec 21 05:48:18 And then you.. told a room full of hundreds of people. Dec 21 05:48:28 * kornblut1 looks at his router logs Dec 21 05:48:31 :o Dec 21 05:48:42 * Skrylar gives kornblut1 his own spot on the brain crew. Dec 21 05:48:54 OS2008 comes with an Xterm Dec 21 05:49:00 kornblut1? Dec 21 05:49:01 But.. I don't think you're running 2008... Dec 21 05:49:25 damn, i should have stuck with mIRC Dec 21 05:49:35 ok well your first step should most likely be installing a terminal Dec 21 05:49:58 Or updating to 2008 :D Dec 21 05:50:04 bah Dec 21 05:50:10 Granted Dec 21 05:50:23 I'm not fully sure bout 2008 just yet. Better battery for idling but worse battery for media :( Dec 21 05:50:30 snak: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/osso-xterm-advanced/ Dec 21 05:50:30 does 2008 have openssh server running as default? =] Dec 21 05:50:38 Not by default, I don't think. Dec 21 05:50:41 Installable, probably. Dec 21 05:50:49 I would hope so Dec 21 05:51:02 if not though the 2007 binaries should still work Dec 21 05:51:02 Yes, sorry, ive got it now Dec 21 05:51:14 its just it was already running Dec 21 05:51:18 any word on canola2? Dec 21 05:51:44 soo umm Dec 21 05:51:51 how do i turn ssh server off Dec 21 05:51:56 Uninstall it? XD Dec 21 05:52:00 xD Dec 21 05:52:08 thefool_: Imma fraid Dec 21 05:52:25 I tried to install canola but the repository is still being eaten by the bog monster Dec 21 05:52:32 to be honest I don't know normally you would turn it off with /etc/init.d/sshd stop Dec 21 05:52:43 maybe just sshd stop.... Dec 21 05:53:05 you turn it off with fire Dec 21 05:53:11 Ive not had this n800 very long and theres a new OS out -.- is it any good or does it break like all new OS's do Dec 21 05:53:22 Skrylar: bog monster? Dec 21 05:53:34 snak: It's pretty decent so far Dec 21 05:53:49 I think all of the n* devs will be jumping to it since it runs on both 800's and 810's Dec 21 05:54:07 :( my poor 770... Dec 21 05:54:22 :( Dec 21 05:54:49 Skrylar: what did you mean by the repository is being eayen by the bog monster? Dec 21 05:54:59 give the choice between the n800 and n810, i'd have the n800 any day. My sausage fingers cant manage a super small fiddly keyboard - the current onscreen controls are great Dec 21 05:55:01 s/eayen/eaten Dec 21 05:56:51 so, if i want learn how to use or how linux works without reading 50000 lines of source code - any idea where i should go? Dec 21 05:57:46 how it works is many orders of magnitude more complicated then how to use it Dec 21 05:58:13 cant be that more complicated than windows Dec 21 05:58:13 thefool_: it's a bit of a joke Dec 21 05:58:18 the servers are [bogged] Dec 21 05:58:24 by a [monster] Dec 21 05:58:24 Skrylar: ah Dec 21 05:58:29 so it's the [bog monster] Dec 21 05:59:41 im not a total newb when it comes to computers, its just difficult finding advanced stuff Dec 21 05:59:46 I would start by googling for basic linux howtos Dec 21 06:00:51 First off, never run rm -rf / Dec 21 06:00:52 that's bad Dec 21 06:00:57 but I think the best way to learn a OS is the way I learned how to use windows, by trying to do something on it. And when I couldn't do something in an intuitive way search the internet a bit Dec 21 06:01:42 Actually, running any cryptic looking command you don't understand is bad Dec 21 06:01:42 :S Dec 21 06:02:28 oh, i hear if you put sudo in front of it its ok Dec 21 06:02:40 XD Dec 21 06:02:49 "sudo rm -rf /" gives you cookies! Dec 21 06:02:57 -.- Dec 21 06:02:59 actually it tries to go to the super user and delete your entire system Dec 21 06:03:12 yeah Dec 21 06:03:18 but then you get cookies Dec 21 06:03:36 you mean a slightly crispy n800 Dec 21 06:03:54 sudo doesn't work outside of R&D mode, or does it Dec 21 06:04:52 how do i try it Dec 21 06:05:09 sudo gainroot <- that's how you get a root shell on the n800, i think Dec 21 06:05:10 it asks me for a password, which - i dont believe i ve set Dec 21 06:06:31 default doesnt work either Dec 21 06:06:42 i thaught gainroot was just like a cheap script Dec 21 06:08:52 gainroot is n800 specific, or so i'd guess Dec 21 06:08:57 Since I've never seen it anywhere else Dec 21 06:09:50 isnt the normal sudo su Dec 21 06:10:00 No Dec 21 06:10:10 su tries to upgrade to the super user Dec 21 06:10:17 and requires the super users' password Dec 21 06:10:33 uuh Dec 21 06:10:36 sudo lets users trusted by root do things as root using their own password Dec 21 06:10:55 sudo is commonly used for single commands, like "sudo make install" so you don't drop to root accidentally Dec 21 06:11:11 though it is possible to "sudo bash" which runs bash as the super user, therefore giving you a root shell Dec 21 06:12:07 uhh Dec 21 06:12:23 the super user is basically root acess Dec 21 06:12:28 yar Dec 21 06:12:46 i tried it but how come the password doesnt work then -.- Dec 21 06:12:59 when i logged in with ssh it worked fine Dec 21 06:13:12 I believe what they say to do, is to log in with ssh and change the password there Dec 21 06:13:18 which can be done with the "passwd" command Dec 21 06:13:32 ah, im not at that bit yet xD Dec 21 06:14:31 dony you need the original Dec 21 06:14:38 password to set a new one Dec 21 06:15:38 hey wait Dec 21 06:15:53 "root user"=="super user"? Dec 21 06:17:21 yes Dec 21 06:17:30 And in unix, no. You don't need the password to change it. Dec 21 06:17:44 Root can change anybodys password without needing it Dec 21 06:17:51 thats handy Dec 21 06:17:57 I think though, normal users have to have the password to change theirs though Dec 21 06:18:11 To keep co-workers from walking by and ninja tricking your login Dec 21 06:18:12 well, the default passwords not working Dec 21 06:20:48 oh right Dec 21 06:22:08 any way to get the user list on this thing then Dec 21 06:22:48 <[pablo]> Skrylar: that is correct Dec 21 06:23:55 <[pablo]> and /etc/passwd has a list of all users on the system, keep in mind a lot of services have a user they run as though, so identifying which ones are actually accounts can sometimes be difficult Dec 21 06:24:51 eek Dec 21 06:27:01 hello Dec 21 06:27:08 <[pablo]> hi Dec 21 06:27:16 nice list [pablo] Dec 21 06:27:38 its a little wierd cause sshd is on there and i uninstalled that Dec 21 06:27:55 <[pablo]> it doesn't remove itself as a user when you uninstall it Dec 21 06:28:04 <[pablo]> is also doesn't remove any known keys in ~/.ssh Dec 21 06:28:35 <[pablo]> usually config files stay around too Dec 21 06:28:57 oh dear, its like unclean uninstalls from windows all over again Dec 21 06:29:01 <[pablo]> anything you are allowed to modify pretty much stays around, for upgrades and such Dec 21 06:29:12 <[pablo]> no, it's by design, it's smart Dec 21 06:29:19 umm, how so? Dec 21 06:29:46 <[pablo]> nothing worse than writing a 2000 line config file for qmail and installing a new version and getting it over written Dec 21 06:30:15 <[pablo]> and they aren't 'user accounts' Dec 21 06:30:20 <[pablo]> they are just dummy users Dec 21 06:30:31 <[pablo]> so it doesn't have to run as root, but have adequate permissions Dec 21 06:31:06 oh ok Dec 21 06:31:29 <[pablo]> only users with traditional 'accounts' are users with a home directory and root Dec 21 06:31:47 <[pablo]> unless you get all tricksy with add user, then you can pull it off Dec 21 06:31:58 <[pablo]> but then you wouldn't be needing this explained to you =) Dec 21 06:32:02 <[pablo]> so no worries Dec 21 06:33:26 erk -.- Dec 21 06:33:42 thanks for the info Dec 21 06:34:13 <[pablo]> no problem, always nice to be able to help, most of the time i just feel useless =) Dec 21 06:40:29 hey, so passwd has the encrypted password for the superuser in it Dec 21 06:41:39 seeing as im reading this and im not the super user, is that not ummm bad Dec 21 06:42:22 <[pablo]> sort of Dec 21 06:42:30 <[pablo]> as long as you can't change it, your pretty much fine Dec 21 06:43:28 <[pablo]> but if you give the wrong person a user account who can read it, they could theoretically take it, go and crack it, and come back in 2 or so years with your password heh Dec 21 06:43:50 woo, owned =) Dec 21 06:47:06 <[pablo]> heh Dec 21 06:58:49 * Skrylar is conflicted. Dec 21 06:59:01 I found an awesome setting for this game, but it also sucks on account of it's missing something Dec 21 06:59:12 * [pablo] 's dependencies are conflicted Dec 21 06:59:46 [pablo]: @ password Dec 21 06:59:53 Hopefully you change your passwords more often than 2 years :P Dec 21 06:59:58 Professionally speaking Dec 21 07:00:03 <[pablo]> yes heh Dec 21 07:00:16 Strong passwords sticky taped to monitors is rediculous looking Dec 21 07:00:22 <[pablo]> that's why i was saying it's not to big of a deal that the passwd file is readable Dec 21 07:00:22 But it works against chinese hackers Dec 21 07:00:25 :D Dec 21 07:00:28 <[pablo]> hahaha Dec 21 07:00:37 xD Dec 21 07:00:45 Even more funny is if you have racist passwords Dec 21 07:00:53 and so chinese hackers look at the crack app Dec 21 07:00:54 <[pablo]> as long as a dictionary attack wont work, and your at least 8 characters, you are safe I think Dec 21 07:00:54 and it's bad Dec 21 07:01:01 <[pablo]> hahaha Dec 21 07:01:18 "chinksdaml3ddp41nt" Dec 21 07:01:25 Imma stop this train though, since I'm about to offend someone. Dec 21 07:01:34 insert some character that arent even on the keyboard Dec 21 07:01:46 Your password is... Dec 21 07:01:50 Alt+0169 Dec 21 07:01:52 i heat you can do and Alt+number Dec 21 07:02:03 you know that works for DOS? Dec 21 07:02:18 I have stupid question about password :P I installed openssh for my n800 and I dont know the password for it :D Dec 21 07:02:19 I read that you can hide folders by naming it alt+#### something, and windows will freak out and refuse to open it Dec 21 07:02:29 steri: Welcome to the train Dec 21 07:02:36 To your left is snak who has the same problem Dec 21 07:02:40 really? Dec 21 07:02:47 like i was saying earier Dec 21 07:03:07 that other ssh-server it was rootme but it doesn't work with openssh :( Dec 21 07:03:10 steri probably just did what i did Dec 21 07:03:38 <[pablo]> openssh should ask you for a new root passwd upon installation Dec 21 07:04:34 <[pablo]> if it didn't, for whatever reason, just install the gainroot package, and you can then change the password Dec 21 07:04:47 That only works in R&D mode, I thought Dec 21 07:04:50 openssh never asked me Dec 21 07:05:03 <[pablo]> gainroot? Dec 21 07:05:19 i did openssh and logged in using rootme Dec 21 07:05:21 <[pablo]> worked for me, and i'm not in R&D mode Dec 21 07:05:38 never asked me to det the pass Dec 21 07:05:40 <[pablo]> rootme was default on OS2007, it's not on OS2008, at least as far as I can tell Dec 21 07:05:48 sudo gainroot whines about rd mode :) Dec 21 07:05:53 open the /etc/passwd file =) Dec 21 07:06:08 or something Dec 21 07:06:25 <[pablo]> steri: i've never had a problem with it on my n810 Dec 21 07:07:06 bah repositories are still overloaded :( Dec 21 07:07:32 <[pablo]> yea =/ Dec 21 07:12:45 Hello room, is there anyplace faster to pull down the latest for the n810, official link is taking forever Dec 21 07:13:02 <[pablo]> there are a few mirrors on it itT forum Dec 21 07:13:22 just seeing the topic line about it Dec 21 07:13:58 I guess I can wait yawn, no fun tonight... Dec 21 07:14:13 <[pablo]> the mirrors are pretty fast I hear Dec 21 07:14:24 I downloaded OS2008 in about 5 minutes once I found a place to get it Dec 21 07:14:32 Which is kind of scary oO Dec 21 07:14:42 where to get it Skrylar? Dec 21 07:14:56 can you give me a link Dec 21 07:15:16 I don't think I saved it Dec 21 07:16:16 <[pablo]> you didn't save it? what if you have to reflash again heh Dec 21 07:16:41 Oh, I saved the bin ;) Dec 21 07:16:43 <[pablo]> madar: I can DCC it to you Dec 21 07:17:00 DCC? Dec 21 07:17:07 A bunch of people are torrenting the bin file, some are also sending it around IRC Dec 21 07:17:24 I'll look for a torrent then Dec 21 07:17:30 <[pablo]> did they finally release a torrent of the n810 version? Dec 21 07:17:36 No idea Dec 21 07:17:44 * Skrylar got the N800 version Dec 21 07:18:41 <[pablo]> yeah there was a mirror of those up after about 2 hours Dec 21 07:19:03 <[pablo]> after a failed 8 hour download and about 6 hours of sleep and a completed download, there still wasn't a mirror of the n810 version heh Dec 21 07:19:43 lame, not finding a torrent, I guess this can wait till tomorrow, should have been in bed long ago as it is Dec 21 07:19:48 <[pablo]> i started uploading my copy to my server, and had to leave, by the time I got back there were 4 or 5 mirrors already Dec 21 07:20:16 It helps if you can get the nokia site to work long enough to get the name Dec 21 07:20:19 where are these mirrors? I didn't see links to mirrors on the main site Dec 21 07:20:27 then you can just copy & paste the "nblahblahblah.bin" in to google and it'll spot one Dec 21 07:20:45 <[pablo]> madar: they are unnoficial mirrors Dec 21 07:20:50 ah Dec 21 07:20:52 <[pablo]> nokia doesn't have any mirrors Dec 21 07:20:58 <[pablo]> they are listed in the itT forum Dec 21 07:21:06 No Mirrors == Reason for uberlag Dec 21 07:21:25 <[pablo]> pretty much, the lack of mirrors is pissing everyone off i'm sure heh Dec 21 07:21:52 <[pablo]> downloads have been unreliable for almost 4 days now Dec 21 07:22:09 <[pablo]> including the official unofficial repositories Dec 21 07:24:43 Off topic but Dec 21 07:24:46 would anyone like to play gmod? :D Dec 21 07:30:18 <|tbb|> who else but me has a n810 and a n800 allready?! Dec 21 07:31:28 bah, cant find on maemo.org howto update n800 with linux Dec 21 07:33:13 <[pablo]> it's in the wiki Dec 21 07:33:28 It didn't look hard Dec 21 07:33:43 yea, just found it :P whining in irc always help to find things Dec 21 07:33:48 ... Dec 21 07:33:53 <|tbb|> steri:plugin the usb-cable - shutdown the device - push power button while pressing the home button then on linux box do -> ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Dec 21 07:33:53 A couple people have even made a GUI for it Dec 21 07:33:56 <[pablo]> haha Dec 21 07:34:11 <|tbb|> oh u got it allready ;) Dec 21 07:34:17 If it's something complicated, I usually ask in IRC and then hit the docs Dec 21 07:35:03 that nokia site is though jammed also and I cant get the flasher... Dec 21 07:35:17 The only way I got flashed was because I already had the windows flasher tool :S Dec 21 07:45:05 hmm it doesn't flashm, it stays on "Suitable USB device not found" and dmesg can see the device Dec 21 07:45:06 <|tbb|> im terribly dissapointed of the screen of the n810! i hope it is fixed with the upgrade of the latest os2008. I got both devices white doesnt look as white, it has an yellow touch, (beige or so). Could i send the unit back, if it doesnt change after flashing the device with latest os. VERY VERY ANNOYING. But Keyboard writing rocks Dec 21 07:45:37 kb writing hah Dec 21 07:45:42 what a lil girl Dec 21 07:45:46 n800 til i die! Dec 21 07:45:48 jk ;p Dec 21 07:46:01 <|tbb|> btw. n800 colors really good with the colors! Dec 21 07:46:03 my fingers will be arthritic by wednesday Dec 21 07:46:33 anyone have ruby installed on os2008? Dec 21 07:48:07 err anyone else tired of hearing bitching about downloads being slo? Dec 21 07:48:10 heh Dec 21 07:48:39 truent: ... Dec 21 07:48:48 enough already, big deal not enough bandwidth.. put the thing down for a few days and say hi to your kids Dec 21 07:48:49 ;p Dec 21 07:49:12 slow is putting it nicely ;) Dec 21 07:49:47 you aint lyin, it took me 2 hours to get a 9mb canola2 install.. and thats while everyone was at work.. i can imagine people are still screwed as we speak Dec 21 07:50:52 lucky you, i was nowhere near getting it even installed Dec 21 07:51:06 bon dia / good morning Dec 21 07:51:15 smart people have been avoiding release dates when it comes to repo's for a while now.. this aint much new Dec 21 07:51:30 try getting the new ubuntu every six months on release day Dec 21 07:51:50 sol: have you found it yet? Dec 21 07:52:18 AD-N770, good morning Dec 21 07:52:24 any tips for that "device not found" ? Dec 21 07:52:26 truent: getting ubuntu on release day isn't impossible, they have mirrors Dec 21 07:52:39 and torrents Dec 21 07:53:00 Morning, all Dec 21 07:53:05 heh i guess you could classify nokia's deal as impossible.. Dec 21 07:53:22 although an everyday guy who doesnt know how to change repo etc.. is fooked with ubuntu Dec 21 07:53:43 steri, hang on Dec 21 07:55:13 steri, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux Dec 21 07:55:20 Trying with that Dec 21 07:55:31 theres some troubleshooting stuff on there may be your prob Dec 21 07:59:02 still not helping :/ Dec 21 07:59:14 yeah thats no good Dec 21 07:59:37 have to wait until I get my windows laptop back Dec 21 08:00:06 # PC: "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" is displayed on the console Dec 21 08:00:06 # N800: Now plug in the charger to switch on the N800 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button Dec 21 08:00:09 youve done that? Dec 21 08:01:19 ofcourse, I have to usb-logo upper right corner Dec 21 08:02:28 hmm ive never had a prob.. im definitely not your guy if that stuff doesnt help Dec 21 08:02:51 but so far i'll letcha know.. os2008 is worth it ;p Dec 21 08:02:52 truent: eh? Dec 21 08:03:04 the flashing instructions all say *unplug* the charging cable Dec 21 08:03:15 I have os2008 beta allready :P Dec 21 08:03:25 just wanted to install that newest version of it Dec 21 08:03:31 Fri Dec 21 09:03:12 CET 2007 Dec 21 08:03:32 * N800: Unplug charger and switch off the Nokia N800. Connect the tablet to your computer via USB Dec 21 08:03:32 * PC: Execute as root (or as a normal user with rights to use the USB port): Dec 21 08:03:32 ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2007SE_4.2007.38-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Dec 21 08:03:32 * PC: "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" is displayed on the console Dec 21 08:03:32 * N800: Now plug in the charger to switch on the N800 or switch it on using the power button WHILE holding the Home-button Dec 21 08:03:48 straight from the wiki Dec 21 08:04:06 steri, gotcha Dec 21 08:04:15 steri, happen to have ruby installed? Dec 21 08:04:35 nope Dec 21 08:04:47 is os2008 still beta? Dec 21 08:04:53 nope Dec 21 08:05:07 does it have snes emulator? Dec 21 08:05:08 <[pablo]> ruby maemo is pretty slick Dec 21 08:05:51 i have alterego (i think)'s ruby-maemo but the os2008 didnt install.. the maemo3 stuff did Dec 21 08:06:03 err what he classified as os2008 Dec 21 08:06:48 truent: used the .install? Dec 21 08:06:58 worked fine with me Dec 21 08:07:15 lemme try again Dec 21 08:07:16 er Dec 21 08:07:21 im geussing it doesnt have a snes emulator, in which case, its clearly not finished =) Dec 21 08:07:24 solmumaha, you have irb? Dec 21 08:07:30 snak, heh sorry havent seen it Dec 21 08:07:31 no Dec 21 08:07:36 <[pablo]> truent: i used this version ... http://maemo.rubyx.co.uk/ruby-maemo/ Dec 21 08:07:45 [pablo], yeah i got the same thing Dec 21 08:07:53 <[pablo]> works fine on os2008 for me Dec 21 08:08:07 it works.. just wondering about some libs.. Dec 21 08:08:13 require 'conic' Dec 21 08:08:17 deprecated now? Dec 21 08:08:28 also my metasploit doesnt work Dec 21 08:08:50 <[pablo]> i've only gone through the exmaples, haven't messed around with it much Dec 21 08:09:01 http://pupnik.de/snes9x.html snak .. Dec 21 08:09:04 <[pablo]> but it uses the hildon library and gtk for UI Dec 21 08:09:14 yeah Dec 21 08:09:30 the ruby-maemo stuff is kew Dec 21 08:09:59 just needs a killer app now Dec 21 08:10:26 pupnik: looking good, is the sound the only problem? Dec 21 08:10:48 and ppl using it to catch bugs Dec 21 08:11:07 snak: depending on game, speed is between 5 and 25+ fps on N770 Dec 21 08:11:20 -N Dec 21 08:11:39 erk Dec 21 08:12:28 for a few demos it's smooth, for most real games - like the RPGs i enjoy - very slow Dec 21 08:13:01 needs optimised huh? Dec 21 08:13:21 theres something i could do over christmas Dec 21 08:13:24 =] Dec 21 08:14:26 would be cool. the gp2x emus are much better candidates though Dec 21 08:15:21 do it Dec 21 08:15:22 ;) Dec 21 08:15:28 i could help if you have problems with the hardware accelerated pixel doubling Dec 21 08:15:43 gp2x, never heard of them Dec 21 08:15:58 arm9, linux based gaming handheld Dec 21 08:16:43 clocks around 250-290 mhz Dec 21 08:17:38 hey wait, didnt the os2008 up the n800 clock to 400mhz Dec 21 08:17:47 <[pablo]> yes Dec 21 08:17:59 decent fps on os2008 perhaps Dec 21 08:18:20 decent fps on what? Dec 21 08:18:38 with snes9x Dec 21 08:18:48 ah, no comment on that :) Dec 21 08:18:53 although is gp2x works, why not try that Dec 21 08:19:13 (I didn't read the backlog, just started commenting ;) Dec 21 08:19:56 oh, whats with the fm radio Dec 21 08:20:08 is the headphones the arial? Dec 21 08:20:46 well if you're interested in it, sources and bins are up on the site - should be compatible with any ITOS - just dpkg -i it and start from xterm Dec 21 08:21:15 snak: the headphones are used as the antenna Dec 21 08:21:20 goes gp2x work? Dec 21 08:21:39 kulve: im geussing its for the fm radio only Dec 21 08:22:08 gp2x is a hardware platform snak Dec 21 08:22:19 ahh i know why metasploit wont work Dec 21 08:22:29 forgot to install activerecord and rails etc Dec 21 08:22:45 porting apps requires building against more standard linuxy libs, and often swapping their framebuffer code for sdl Dec 21 08:25:33 oh err right Dec 21 08:25:38 so, what does it do? Dec 21 08:25:55 i dont get it -.- Dec 21 08:27:34 gp2x is like a nokia linux tablet except with gaming controls, low res screen, no wifi, no bluetooth etc Dec 21 08:28:06 the emu coding community for it has some great talent, who make emus that are 2-6 times faster than stock things like snes9x Dec 21 08:28:45 pandora looks nice Dec 21 08:28:54 (community GP2X) Dec 21 08:29:22 for example the playstation emulator i ported gets about 0.7 fps. the optimized emulator on the gp2x gets about 12-15 fps Dec 21 08:30:13 woot Dec 21 08:30:51 that sounds pretty good Dec 21 08:30:59 http://pandora.bluwiki.org/ <3 hope they realize it Dec 21 08:31:03 <|tbb|> anyone has thoughtfix email addy? Dec 21 08:31:17 yeah the main dude wrote a dynamic recompiler for the psx cpu to arm cpu Dec 21 08:31:54 hahaha, gp2x seems to have an interesting clientel considering the faq lists: Pandora will not have these, please don't ask: 3) Dvorak (as default layout) Dec 21 08:31:59 interesting Knirchmas Dec 21 08:32:27 thanks for the link - that's what used to be called the 'craiginator' Dec 21 08:32:48 Knirchmas: is this made by a company or hobbyists? Dec 21 08:33:08 somewhere in between Dec 21 08:33:20 i've been trying to get them interested in maemo for a few months Dec 21 08:34:14 gutsy of them to go with the clamshell - but very practical Dec 21 08:35:27 if you can throw it across the room cause you cant get past level 4 without breaking it, it'll be ideal for me Dec 21 08:35:53 those round dials are dual-analog controls Dec 21 08:36:33 <|tbb|> again: anyone around who has a n810 and a n800 allready?! Dec 21 08:37:01 plus it has wifi and tv-out Dec 21 08:38:09 tv-out? Dec 21 08:38:12 erk Dec 21 08:38:20 can it do divx? =) Dec 21 08:38:37 of course they'll port mplayer Dec 21 08:39:10 dual sd slots Dec 21 08:39:12 i wonder if you can do muliplayer gaming over the wireless without any exra nodes Dec 21 08:40:47 yeah. if they would adopt maemo/ITOS we would get a lot of great emus Dec 21 08:41:30 bring it on Dec 21 08:41:44 i couldnt stand carrying 5 different handhelds wih me Dec 21 08:41:48 same Dec 21 08:41:49 anyone have that .deb for canola2? Dec 21 08:41:52 GPG error: http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com The following signatures were invalid: NODATA 1 NODATA 2 :( Dec 21 08:41:59 pupnik, do you have the final chinook devel env installed? Dec 21 08:42:05 no Dec 21 08:42:36 i'm not doing anything until my N810 arrives Dec 21 08:42:43 :) Dec 21 08:43:14 truent: metasploit?! Dec 21 08:43:18 Presumably everyone is getting that problem ^^ due to repository crapness? Dec 21 08:43:28 I did the port for nethack and the tuner tool, but I wanted to reinstall my sbox and I can't due the repository problems Dec 21 08:43:46 oh dear sorry to hear it AD-N770 - you have n800? Dec 21 08:43:58 yes Dec 21 08:44:42 i only have os2006 debs cached and a few 2007 Dec 21 08:44:46 timelyx, ? what about it? Dec 21 08:45:56 <|tbb|> i wonder why no1 has ever reportet of the crappy looking screen (white looks little bit beige) of the 810 (instead of a n800). Dec 21 08:46:33 <[pablo]_> the white looks very white on my n810 Dec 21 08:48:14 <|tbb|> do u have a n800 also? Dec 21 08:48:52 problems with 0S2008? Dec 21 08:50:11 wht looks good on my n800 Dec 21 08:50:26 <[pablo]_> |tbb|: no i dont Dec 21 08:53:07 <|tbb|> truent: i know its looking good, for me also, but when i compared the two devices in dark room on highest brightness level, i cant belive my eyes. the n800 screen looks much better and clearly (color:white)! but i have to say, on the n800 igot the officially (latest) os2008 on the n810 i dont have the latest os Dec 21 08:53:28 <|tbb|> i cant belive that will fix it, but hope dies at last. Dec 21 08:53:52 <|tbb|> could i send the unit back if im not satisfied with the screen colors? Dec 21 08:54:30 |tbb|: Walk outside in bright sunlight. Check the N800 there.. Dec 21 08:54:59 The N810 will win for sure... Dec 21 08:57:35 <|tbb|> that might be correct, but im mostly sitting on couch while surfing with the tablet and the colors very annoying! btw the colors (white) wont be better on a well lighten room. white isnt white! Dec 21 08:57:51 <|tbb|> x-fade do u have both devices? Dec 21 08:58:30 |tbb|: I'm living in Europe, guess what ;) Dec 21 08:59:00 <|tbb|> im also living in europe but what should i guess? Dec 21 08:59:21 Not for sale here yet.. Dec 21 08:59:43 <|tbb|> nokia online shop in germany sells it Dec 21 08:59:46 werent people saying that os2008 is taking forever to download? Dec 21 08:59:56 this is going pretty quickly here Dec 21 09:00:04 <|tbb|> where Dec 21 09:00:39 <|tbb|> when i hit a nokia salespoint they say they cant order until mid january Dec 21 09:01:11 snak: so they fixed the web issues then Dec 21 09:01:29 my first attempt Dec 21 09:01:39 can anyone access tablets-dev.nokia.com? Is there something wrong with the server? It's awfully slow! Dec 21 09:01:42 from my point of view i see not problems Dec 21 09:01:44 <|tbb|> snak: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php ive entered my mac and it wont work Dec 21 09:01:48 any nokia workers around maybe? Dec 21 09:01:57 kick the administrators for me Dec 21 09:02:11 errrrm, im using the "Nokia Internet Software Update Wizard" Dec 21 09:02:14 I think I won't get my N810 this year. I can't imagine that they will enable the codes today.. Dec 21 09:02:30 Mikho: already done Dec 21 09:02:46 and the downloads almost done Dec 21 09:02:59 already :) Dec 21 09:03:01 tigert, thanks :) Dec 21 09:03:26 give them a pat on the back, downloads working fast here =] Dec 21 09:05:44 |tbb|: that website gives me an erro Dec 21 09:05:53 why not use the wizard? Dec 21 09:06:10 <|tbb|> linux box here Dec 21 09:06:11 error* Dec 21 09:06:15 because it works on windows only Dec 21 09:06:19 -. Dec 21 09:06:20 -.- Dec 21 09:06:30 ok... downloading the 60.1 maemo2.2 image with 12.6KB/sec *snore* Dec 21 09:06:57 60.1MB I mean Dec 21 09:07:12 oh yeah, mines done now :) Dec 21 09:07:42 so you're the one who's taking all the bandwidth Dec 21 09:07:56 and both of the connections Dec 21 09:08:11 ooooh yeah Dec 21 09:08:17 <|tbb|> snak see pm, btw thanks for the hint i will look for a windows box, its a shame to say something like that but there might be not another chance Dec 21 09:08:17 power to the leechers Dec 21 09:09:15 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11618&page=12 Dec 21 09:10:07 ^_^ Dec 21 09:11:53 * snak is awed by pretty graphics Dec 21 09:13:20 what pretty graphics Dec 21 09:13:53 OS2008 Dec 21 09:13:59 just updated Dec 21 09:14:47 yeah it's interesting how less detail in the icons is 'more cool' in 2007 Dec 21 09:15:14 huh? Dec 21 09:15:23 i was thinking os2008 looks cool# Dec 21 09:15:49 the os2006 and 2007 icons were little pictures of stuff, the 2008 icons are more iconic, abstract Dec 21 09:16:15 not saying that's bad Dec 21 09:16:24 argh, would someone have SU-18_2006SE_3.2006.49-2_PR_F5_MR0_ARM.bin on the hard disk and willing to put it up for download for just a moment? Dec 21 09:17:00 * snak has a wee look for it Dec 21 09:17:14 dunno where the updater would have put it Dec 21 09:17:37 hey wait Dec 21 09:17:48 isnt that an old one Dec 21 09:17:51 yes Dec 21 09:18:00 nope, not go that Dec 21 09:18:00 the latest one for 770 Dec 21 09:18:07 O.o Dec 21 09:18:15 Mikho: i'll check Dec 21 09:18:23 isnt the 770 supported for os2008? Dec 21 09:18:30 i don't think so Dec 21 09:18:31 yes Dec 21 09:18:35 pupnik, great! Dec 21 09:18:36 it is not Dec 21 09:18:49 parse the question properly :P Dec 21 09:18:58 cheeky :p Dec 21 09:20:14 i am going to be a grumpy person til mid-january Dec 21 09:20:33 my credit card runs out this year, so i won't even be able to order Dec 21 09:20:36 what happens in mid-january? :) Dec 21 09:20:51 aah :) Dec 21 09:21:08 looking at when i'll get a n810 Dec 21 09:21:09 order what? Dec 21 09:21:36 ive only just saved up for a n800 >.< Dec 21 09:21:58 enjoy your dual sd slots and better speaker placement Dec 21 09:22:09 someone is using apple wireless keyboard with n8x0 ? Dec 21 09:22:16 whaaa? if you know the 810 is worse, why get it? Dec 21 09:22:32 what i have to do to pair it with my n800 ?!? Dec 21 09:22:43 i don't know how to enter the pin... Dec 21 09:22:57 <|tbb|> pupnik: for me the sound is better on the n810, but the position of the speakers arent Dec 21 09:23:04 nice! Dec 21 09:23:41 i would really like to test games and emus on omap2420 device and i'm waiting for the developer discount to be activated snak Dec 21 09:24:08 the code that was mailed november 9th Dec 21 09:25:23 -.- Dec 21 09:25:38 unlucky Dec 21 09:25:51 maybe they dont appreciated developers Dec 21 09:25:54 <|tbb|> i wonderr what allready been ported coded etc. if the discounts working on november Dec 21 09:25:58 appreciate Dec 21 09:26:19 discounts not activated and dev downloads slow xD Dec 21 09:27:02 i figure that most normal people with use windows and hence the updater Dec 21 09:30:10 well, i g2g - cheers for the help chaps Dec 21 09:31:19 |tbb|: they sure missed out on using developer excitement for this Dec 21 09:31:31 burned right through it Dec 21 09:36:23 oh, woe! the download disconnected Dec 21 09:36:38 * |tbb| just install the new os2008 on the n810 with windows updater, works like charm. Nokia puuuhh! Dec 21 09:37:07 * Jaffa should do that today. Dec 21 09:37:36 <|tbb|> 9:30 minutes to go Dec 21 09:37:46 geez, maybe it was a bit mistake to upgrade that n800 again :S half of the softwares are missing Dec 21 09:38:12 oh, but now it restarted with 5x the speed Dec 21 09:39:47 <|tbb|> i wonder how the non geeks are disappointed when they received their n810 and trying to install software with the 1 c(shit)lick installer ;= Dec 21 09:40:29 <[pablo]_> i wans't non geeky, but it was my first experience with an internet tablet Dec 21 09:40:37 <[pablo]_> i was slightly dissapointed Dec 21 09:40:42 <[pablo]_> but knew it would come Dec 21 09:40:53 <[pablo]_> still waiting heh Dec 21 09:45:48 umm O_o why canola2 package size changed frtom 6.8meg to 9.33meg Dec 21 09:46:50 how about you share the latest 2008 image with each other? Looks like tablets-dev.nokia.com has something like 100KB/sec total upload limit Dec 21 09:47:17 <|tbb|> how can i install python runtime and canola without needing extra repository of maemo? Dec 21 09:48:19 Mikho: if you need the n800 version of it I can upload it to my server Dec 21 09:48:34 |tbb|: You can't. Not without all dependencies, which are also in extras. Dec 21 09:48:46 no, I need the 770 version, but no one seems to have that file Dec 21 09:50:12 Mikho: still there? Dec 21 09:50:15 <|tbb|> some trusted person should mirror the maemo repository (when its available ever again) so we can download the stuff then there Dec 21 09:50:17 yes Dec 21 09:50:26 there isn't os2008 for n770? correct me if I'm wrong but that what I have understand Dec 21 09:50:40 i have it Dec 21 09:51:05 pupnik, could you put it up for download somewhere? Dec 21 09:51:16 yes am doing - few minutes Dec 21 09:53:20 <|tbb|> where windows will store the downloaded os2008 bin with the update wizard Dec 21 10:00:42 http://41hz.com/main.aspx?pageID=135 this would be fun to build Dec 21 10:05:39 ummmmm... now it says unable to install canola2. installation file corrupted :S Dec 21 10:09:54 <|tbb|> got the new os2008 now on my n810 (thanks windows update wizard) but still no really white color on the n810 instead of the n800. on a scale from 1 to 10 (10 is really white like the n800, 1 is yellow) it is 7-8 Dec 21 10:11:02 Mikho: pm Dec 21 10:11:05 <|tbb|> if nobody confirm this is just normal i will send the unit back. with the complaints (i cant install anything maemo.org doesnt work) latest sentence just kidding Dec 21 10:14:25 you have white as yellow? Dec 21 10:14:56 on my n810 white is atleast really white Dec 21 10:20:06 <|tbb|> not really yellow but it has a beige touch, first i was thinking it makes me look like that because of the shiny white keyboard backlight, but after i compared it to n800 im very dissapointed Dec 21 10:20:35 latest os2008 have serious problem with pairing bt devices... Dec 21 10:20:42 morning all! Dec 21 10:21:13 |tbb| check the brightness levels Dec 21 10:21:14 |tbb|: It is a different display than N800, so that could be it. The 770 was also more yellow-ish. Dec 21 10:21:19 l0cutus, i have no issues atleast Dec 21 10:21:35 i don't see "yellow-ishness" atleast on my unit Dec 21 10:21:56 <|tbb|> tonsa, could u compare it to a n800 Dec 21 10:21:58 <|tbb|> same os Dec 21 10:22:10 don't have n800 nearby at the moment Dec 21 10:22:39 but i don't see how you could get the white any more white Dec 21 10:23:16 tontsa, at least with bt keyboards... Dec 21 10:23:44 i've tryed with my stowaway and apple bt Dec 21 10:23:58 There isn't any color calibration software for N810 or N800 yet ;) Dec 21 10:23:59 and both have had difficulties to pair Dec 21 10:24:08 L0cutus, ok.. i have just tried phones, gps units and hands-frees Dec 21 10:24:10 seems to work ok Dec 21 10:24:18 now i try the gps Dec 21 10:24:41 does work with bt headphones now ? Dec 21 10:25:10 atleast pairs, don't have any media to test with if there's any sound Dec 21 10:25:52 i'm using voip Dec 21 10:26:03 so i can try if it does work Dec 21 10:36:15 mmm no way Dec 21 10:36:35 my nokia hs-11w doesn't work with voip Dec 21 10:36:57 sound still go to speakers... not to headphone Dec 21 10:37:54 inz: btw. I didn't (yet) test your xterm but friend of mine told that it works just fine Dec 21 10:40:41 <|tbb|> tontsa, could u compare it later for me? highest brightness same os for example the controlpanel screen in a dark room then you will see it significant. in brighter rooms you can see it also but not as good in dark rooms Dec 21 10:41:44 that'll go after xmas, not going to office before then Dec 21 10:41:46 <|tbb|> x-fade_: if it is screen related than this is one more cons of the disadvantages of n810 instead n800 ;( Dec 21 10:42:28 <|tbb|> tonsa, damn, i have to send it back before doesnt wait this long Dec 21 10:43:06 |tbb|: I really can't comment on that, I'd have to see it first ;) You need to compare it with another N810 or somebody else who has both devices.. Dec 21 10:46:49 <|tbb|> yeah but no1 has an internettablet in my near location ;( which i know. the stores also doesnt have a n810 until mid january Dec 21 10:47:36 <|tbb|> i would like to ask thoughtfix but dont have his email Dec 21 10:47:41 <|tbb|> adress Dec 21 10:48:32 thoughtfix is probably awake. Dec 21 10:51:12 |tbb|: I liked the display of the 770 a lot, until I had a N800 and saw them side by side. ;) Dec 21 10:51:27 :) Dec 21 10:55:09 <|tbb|> X-Fade i guess you will like your n800 display more if u will see the display color of the n810. (hope im wrong) Dec 21 10:55:30 Are the N810 screens bad? Dec 21 10:56:01 |tbb|: You are really the first one I hear complain about it.. Dec 21 10:56:15 <|tbb|> not really bad, but the white isnt that white as on n800 Dec 21 10:56:23 * Jaffa thinks it's fine - although I've not done a side-by-side Dec 21 10:57:16 |tbb|: My LCD on my desk is more yellow than N800, it just has a very 'cold' profile.. Dec 21 10:57:17 <|tbb|> x-fade: i hope i will be at least the only one! Dec 21 10:59:22 My screen is uglified through the slightly hazy screen protector Dec 21 10:59:29 :( Dec 21 11:11:00 <|tbb|> x-fade_ i have tried both screens against the sunlight, the n810 is a way better readable 10-20 percent, but the colors really annoying if i dont had both devices i could live with that but so Dec 21 11:11:18 is n810 display better than n800 if exposed to the sun? Dec 21 11:11:44 |tbb|: I used the N800 a lot this summer on the beach and it was almost not useable at all. Dec 21 11:11:50 n800 is quite difficult to use when under direct sunlight Dec 21 11:11:55 bedboi: N810 is a reflective display. Dec 21 11:12:05 N95 has that too for example.. Dec 21 11:12:18 X-Fade_: so it should be better? Dec 21 11:12:41 bedboi: A lot ;) Dec 21 11:12:59 <|tbb|> for reading at sunlight, yes! Dec 21 11:13:15 <|tbb|> x-fade do u own a n810 allready Dec 21 11:13:38 |tbb|: Nope.. Dec 21 11:13:49 |tbb|: I already told you that ;) Dec 21 11:14:16 <|tbb|> oh i remember, but u speak like u naturally have one Dec 21 11:15:30 |tbb|: No, but I have seen pictures in direct sunlight and have a N95 which also has a reflective display.. Dec 21 11:26:42 <|tbb|> waiting for thougthfix answer, if it is him here in the channel Dec 21 11:28:15 <|tbb|> damn, i havent reflash my n800 if i had known that i cant install anything right now (+ that canola is available ) :( Dec 21 11:37:29 <|tbb|> will a magnet harm the n810 in any way if i put it on the batterycover? Dec 21 11:45:24 |tbb|: there's no magnetic storage in the n810, so it would be safe from that angle, at least. Dec 21 11:46:11 <|tbb|> and the lcd or accu? is that a maybe problem Dec 21 11:47:13 |tbb|: The protective case for N800 added a magnet to the back of the the N800(IIRC), so I don't think it is a problem. Dec 21 11:48:56 <|tbb|> i know that but i think some elektronic geeks should known that for sure. thinking is the one thing ....knowing the other Dec 21 11:50:27 the n800 uses flash memory doesn't it? Dec 21 11:50:52 Solid state isn't affected by EMP I don't think Dec 21 11:50:56 I know ROMs aren't at al Dec 21 11:51:23 <|tbb|> i wonder if someone has told nokia to the issue, that no1 could download anything from repros. got an n810 with no installable software is near useless ;( Dec 21 11:51:45 The repos cleared up for me, albiet for about 10 minutes :( Dec 21 11:51:53 i just installed maemo mapper, no problems Dec 21 11:52:01 Be glad Nokia doesn't do online activation Dec 21 11:52:10 I managed to install software ... I just had to wait several minutes per package Dec 21 11:52:22 Bioshock required a phone-home, and the day it came out they killed the servers XD Dec 21 11:52:24 that was yesterday Dec 21 11:52:57 they should make sure they can handle the phoning home if they use it :) Dec 21 11:53:38 They should just not use phone-home because the amount of pirates stopped is far less than the amount of legit users crippled. Dec 21 11:53:51 sort of a "stop 1 lose 50" thing Dec 21 11:54:18 yes, likely is. Dec 21 11:54:38 could also be, stop 1 make 2 more. Dec 21 11:57:17 I saw a list earlier that was some of the theores of stopping global warming Dec 21 11:57:42 Interestingly, smog clouds cool the environment down. So we've been inadvertently doing that. Dec 21 12:32:35 oi Dec 21 12:36:02 hm, 2k8 says map is updateable, but updating it fails "software contains updates to packages installed from different source.." Dec 21 12:38:21 anyone here that developes for maemo? Dec 21 12:38:49 just ask an actual question Dec 21 12:38:58 ah, ok :) Dec 21 12:39:45 well, i'm trying to poll something with g_timeout_add but it never reaches it unit i close the application Dec 21 12:41:00 in the code it's the last thing initialized before gtk_main(); Dec 21 12:42:50 re Dec 21 12:43:41 Hi ! Dec 21 12:59:44 * yabbas notes the topic Dec 21 12:59:55 scratchbox 2 - yay or nay? Dec 21 13:00:32 Not tried it yet. Looked good in theory Dec 21 13:02:13 * Jaffa is waiting for more proof Dec 21 13:02:20 same here :) Dec 21 13:02:39 that and the maemo servers to come back to life Dec 21 13:02:44 :D Dec 21 13:03:09 Yeah, sticking with OS2008 ...42- until the servers get fixed. Dec 21 13:03:49 Jaffa, I now wonder if they will ever get fixed Dec 21 13:05:26 guerby: I'll probably reflash tomorrow and try the servers then. Not got much extra software installed yet on this N810, apart from mplayer (which I'm not really needing ATM), Canola2 beta, XGalaga (which I won't reinstall) and LXDoom. Dec 21 13:05:46 * Solarion wants an n810. :( Dec 21 13:06:05 I had hoped to have it on my flight to and from Seattle, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards anymore. :( Dec 21 13:06:38 is there way to use small menus on 2008? like on 2007? Dec 21 13:07:01 it pops up large menus even when tapped with stylus and you have to scroll.. not nice Dec 21 13:07:51 Nope, no way of going back to small menus. Dec 21 13:08:20 Generally I prefer the big ones over the unreliable method for determining big/small in OS2007. But it should be an option for always big/always small. Dec 21 13:09:30 big is better for me :) Dec 21 13:11:16 <|tbb|> guerby: thats what i say! Dec 21 13:22:44 reading some reviews of amp6 and it's not bad at all Dec 21 13:23:35 amp6? Dec 21 13:24:15 Yeah 41hz.com has some new class-d audio amplifiers - high efficiency, great sound Dec 21 13:24:19 wb doc|home Dec 21 13:24:28 hey pupnik Dec 21 13:24:37 so i think i'll build the AMP6-Basic over the holidays Dec 21 13:26:02 you catch yesterday's scott horton show doc|home ? Dec 21 13:26:49 nah, I can't listen to him, he drives me nut Dec 21 13:26:51 *nuts Dec 21 13:28:19 ok Dec 21 13:28:24 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDFXaqDf8kk hacking with ramzi Dec 21 13:28:28 I'm taking a bit of a break from everything, back home so just catching up with friends :) Dec 21 13:28:35 yah good plan Dec 21 13:29:39 pupnik: hahaha Dec 21 13:30:04 oohh, new update for OS2008 Dec 21 13:32:23 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hNQ280Zkk4 razmi thermites his laptop Dec 21 13:32:32 *ramzi Dec 21 13:32:40 I want to build a tripath amp for the car Dec 21 13:32:45 cool :) Dec 21 13:32:58 yabbas - picked a design yet? Dec 21 13:33:49 not yet - I'm wondering about the feasability tbh. I don't really understand watts et. al. when it comes to audio Dec 21 13:34:50 all I knows is switching amps are better than the old ones - and I drive a 21 year old Scirocco with a 65Amp alternator so I need all the efficiency I can get :) Dec 21 13:37:38 pupnik, the T-Amp stuff is cheap as chips. But can I power a set of 20cm 170 Watt speakers with them? Dec 21 13:39:01 sure check 41hz.com and other sites for schematics Dec 21 13:39:07 |tbb|, I've just sent an email to maemo-users with Quim Gil in Cc on the repo situation Dec 21 13:39:44 <|tbb|> oh thanks, i dont hope u where the first one ;) Dec 21 13:40:03 <|tbb|> if it is fixed in the next 2 hours then you are ;) Dec 21 13:40:16 man those scirocco's are small in side Dec 21 13:40:31 * yabbas grins Dec 21 13:41:14 small, old and slow...terrible brakes. I love it. Dec 21 13:42:00 guerby, what did quim say re the server situation? Dec 21 13:43:22 hm, i get lot of "file corrupted" errors when installing stuff like ukmp Dec 21 13:43:42 and maemo extras package list can't be fully downloaded Dec 21 13:44:11 most apps install fine Dec 21 13:45:14 * Jaffa wants to follow up to guerby saying "yet again this is a case of the Maemo team not communicating clearly on maemo-developers. What's this list *for* if not that?!"... but won't, cos I'll wait to see what Quim et al say first Dec 21 13:46:15 <|tbb|> cosmo_ welcome to the club Dec 21 13:46:29 yabbas, nothing yet, I just sent the email :) Dec 21 13:47:01 guerby, Oh I misunderstood. Thought you said he'd replied with summat. Dec 21 13:47:05 Hi Dec 21 13:47:14 btw is 2008 mail client still the one that sucks or have they upgraded it? Dec 21 13:47:51 Good morning all Dec 21 13:48:09 Did the 2008 beta have an automatic expiry date attached to it? Dec 21 13:48:22 hillct: I doubt it, why do you ask? Dec 21 13:48:33 hillct: although there is a newer version Dec 21 13:48:37 hillct: yes, in the 4th of January any machine with the 2008 Beta will explode Dec 21 13:48:38 I was on my way to the airport the morning of the 18th and found my N800 wouldn't boot Dec 21 13:49:31 I freaked out about it for a while and given my limited connectivity while traveling for the holiday, I only this morning came across the official release info Dec 21 13:50:05 so I'm downloading it now (extremely S L O W L Y) and hoping my N800 will flash properly Dec 21 13:50:22 I was really hoping it was an intentional thing Dec 21 13:50:38 hillct: It surely wasn't. Dec 21 13:50:59 that's not confidence inspiring :( Dec 21 13:51:05 hillct: Make sure your battery is still charged. Dec 21 13:51:18 Before flashing ;) Dec 21 13:51:21 Does the issue with the repos come across as "Sub-process gzip returned error code (1)" or is that something different? Dec 21 13:51:23 I'd thought of that Dec 21 13:51:27 <|tbb|> cosmo, i would prefer modest beta its like built-in with sp6 Dec 21 13:51:28 charged it up all last night Dec 21 13:52:05 it'll be another 40 minutes before I can get the new image downloaded Dec 21 13:52:10 we'll see hwo it goes Dec 21 13:52:43 <|tbb|> hillct, if u have a windows box then try to install it there it will save much time Dec 21 13:53:29 how so? Dec 21 13:53:56 * hillct has a linux box only at the moment Dec 21 13:54:13 Hello World :) Dec 21 13:55:27 yabbas, that is one of the possible symptoms Dec 21 13:55:32 of the repo issue Dec 21 13:55:52 rothiel: Sorry to disappoint you, but the whole world doesn't fit in here. Dec 21 13:56:57 I did wonder. Just tried an apt-get clean and apt-get update and 2 of the repos on the failing gzip seemed to disappear. Odd. Dec 21 13:58:43 I suppose you could get an error page in place of a packages gzip Dec 21 13:58:49 in some cases Dec 21 13:59:05 so it's plausible it could manifest with such an error Dec 21 13:59:11 * yabbas nods Dec 21 14:00:02 I wonder if they host any repos on ftp as well as http... Dec 21 14:04:47 so is the new version still inattainable? Dec 21 14:04:49 has anyone managed to get fm radio on 2k8 to work? on my tablet it just plays static on all channels Dec 21 14:08:57 cosmo_: just to cover the basics, did you plug in headphones? Dec 21 14:09:17 no Dec 21 14:09:43 ok, maybe i should rtfm Dec 21 14:10:24 <|tbb|> lol my n810 wont turn off after hitting shutdown, first shutdown after os upgrade ;) Dec 21 14:16:16 <|tbb|> hmmh, ive put the minisd card from the n800 into the n810 and closed the whole thing, but the (dunno the word, call it door) always open itself after 1 second Dec 21 14:18:00 |tbb|: probably not got it inserted right then. I found it fiddly since there was quite a bit of play, and the slot is quite far back in the hole Dec 21 14:19:29 <|tbb|> ah k, thx. i was thinking closing the thing will push the minisd card in the right order Dec 21 14:21:37 canola users: Dec 21 14:21:45 which VIDEO and AUDIO formats are missing? Dec 21 14:21:49 VIDEO: wmv, more? Dec 21 14:22:00 AUDIO: wma, wav, ra, more? Dec 21 14:26:10 hey guys.. i have install becomeroot Dec 21 14:26:18 how do i enable root ssh login? Dec 21 14:27:14 aah nm Dec 21 14:45:20 hi Dec 21 14:45:28 any news about discount codes activation? Dec 21 14:45:47 * nomis will wait till the next year now anyway. Dec 21 14:47:19 Hi Dec 21 14:47:31 it seems maemo's repository is completely fubar Dec 21 14:47:50 i submitted the following bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2617 Dec 21 14:48:30 but even if i don't install nokia closed binaries, i get tons of "size mismatch" errors when the install script tries to apt-update Dec 21 14:49:04 (for Chinook) Dec 21 14:49:26 can anyone here confirm this? Dec 21 14:50:36 jcayzac: it's related to the repository brokenness: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2531 Dec 21 14:51:14 Andy80, no Dec 21 14:52:36 Jaffa: thanks for the link! i noticed the connection was very slow (although i have a 100Mb/s internet connection) as well Dec 21 14:52:56 about 50kB/s :-( Dec 21 14:55:52 jcayzac > you are lucky ... i get 2ko/s Dec 21 14:56:04 on a 20Mb/s Dec 21 14:57:20 Khertan_TheReal> I would not call myself lucky anyway :) Dec 21 14:58:35 what's bothering me is that this bug was opened 9 days ago and the problem is still there Dec 21 15:00:52 whats with maemo extras repo? Dec 21 15:01:04 repository.maemo.org is screwed Dec 21 15:01:38 yea just saw your link, thanks Dec 21 15:10:04 someone has already successfully make netword by usb with an n800 and a windows xp ? Dec 21 15:12:15 when extra repository is going to be fixed? Dec 21 15:12:35 when it ll be Dec 21 15:12:49 cool Dec 21 15:14:02 anyone has a running scratchbox + maemo sdk running on a coLinux install on windows? Dec 21 15:15:43 <_berto_> jcayzac: I haven't but if you're looking for a way to run the sdk from windows you can use vmware Dec 21 15:16:11 _berto_: wmware is a lot more expensive than the free coLinux :) Dec 21 15:16:14 <_berto_> s/vmware/qemu, virtualbox/ Dec 21 15:16:14 _berto_ meant: jcayzac: I haven't but if you're looking for a way to run the sdk from windows you can use qemu, virtualbox Dec 21 15:16:24 <_berto_> nice bot :) Dec 21 15:16:38 _berto_: i hadn't thought about those! Dec 21 15:16:41 thank you ! Dec 21 15:16:59 <_berto_> in fact I have a qemu image with sdk 2, 3 and 4 installed Dec 21 15:17:03 <_berto_> and it runs nicely :) Dec 21 15:19:13 will try that! thx Dec 21 15:19:45 by any chance, qould you already have a ready to use image available online? :) Dec 21 15:19:53 s/qould/would/ Dec 21 15:19:53 jcayzac meant: by any chance, would you already have a ready to use image available online? :) Dec 21 15:20:37 jcayzac > there is a free player for wmware ... which is free Dec 21 15:20:42 ah, even canola2 is on repository.maemo.org :) Dec 21 15:20:58 and which can be use to use the vmware image of the sdk Dec 21 15:21:31 <_berto_> jcayzac: no, mine is not online, but it's easy to install Dec 21 15:21:44 <_berto_> there's a free vmware player, but I'd go for a free software solution :) Dec 21 15:21:56 Khertan_TheReal: I suspect the vmware image is on the (broken) repository? :) Dec 21 15:22:05 <_berto_> so virtualbox is probably a good choice, I think that qemu in windows is a bit slow Dec 21 15:22:30 arf ... you are right :) there is one on garage.maemo.org Dec 21 15:22:45 but there is a torrent too Dec 21 15:23:03 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Dec 21 15:23:19 http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3902602 Dec 21 15:26:37 thank you :) Dec 21 15:27:00 * Disconnect works at a content delivery company.. want 50gbit/sec of cheap content delivery (with temporary-url generation)? :) Dec 21 15:27:17 btw, i just found this: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/09/19/portable-qemu-persistent-pendrivelinux/ Dec 21 15:27:25 * czr peeks Dec 21 15:27:52 jcayzac, I removed the duplicate bug setting from 2617 Dec 21 15:28:08 I have just seen Dec 21 15:28:48 i marked it as a duplicate since i thought it was the same problem (slow servers) Dec 21 15:29:08 ah. it isn't. :-) Dec 21 15:29:20 ok then :) Dec 21 15:29:38 it's a "spaghetti monster glue thingy" to fix policy so that source packages are found in the same dirs as the binary packages. applied in a weird way. it causes problems when mirroring. Dec 21 15:29:43 * thoughtfix wanders back Dec 21 15:29:59 try using wget -R on the dir and you'll see what will happen (just reserve some time, like infinite amount of minutes) Dec 21 15:34:47 thoughtfix: Thanks for the mention, man. Thanks to you I'm famous, I have two Hollywood film studios fighting over me, and 7 women want my babies. Dec 21 15:35:10 FMZ, you have babies on sale? Dec 21 15:36:15 czr: Not on sale... they are full price... *badump*psh* Dec 21 15:36:42 So what is new and exciting here? Dec 21 15:37:03 Not much, 'twould seem. Dec 21 15:37:23 I think everyone is just hanging out awaiting mplayer's release on OS2008 :) Dec 21 15:37:35 Broken maemo.org infrastructure; no discount codes; nearly time for Christmas; boring work Dec 21 15:37:36 czr: It was bug 2531, not 2351 ! Dec 21 15:37:38 sorry ! Dec 21 15:37:56 jcayzac, np :-) Dec 21 15:37:57 what do you mean awaiting? Dec 21 15:38:02 http://www.webot.com/ Dec 21 15:38:04 wow Dec 21 15:38:22 I been running it for quite a while on 2008 Dec 21 15:38:24 ... Dec 21 15:38:27 FMZ: Sweet Dec 21 15:38:29 I get a cut Dec 21 15:38:34 Rocketman: As far as I can tell, it hasn't been compiled for OS2008 yet. Dec 21 15:38:48 I think I may end up shooting this n800 Dec 21 15:39:00 thoughtfix: OK, 10%. And one free baby per year for life. Dec 21 15:39:10 Rocketman: How do you have that working? Dec 21 15:39:19 FMZ: It's in extras-devel Dec 21 15:39:42 Jaffa: Ahh, awesome. I have to go into Red-Pill mode for that, right? Dec 21 15:40:14 https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=1932 Dec 21 15:40:24 FMZ: No, you just have to add the repository Dec 21 15:43:29 for some reason, after I use scp a few times my n800 is no longer able to connect to that host Dec 21 15:43:35 * FMZ is proud of himself, as he added the new repo without asking a single question. Dec 21 15:43:44 When I installed the newest OpenSSH package after flash of OS2008, I was prompted to set a new root password. Does this mean the new package now incorporates the 'gairnoot' functionality? Dec 21 15:43:51 but wait another 15 minutes or so and it's able to again Dec 21 15:44:09 FMZ: Okay but can I get mine by Monday? Christmas dinner and all. Dec 21 15:44:17 hillct: yes, you can always become root through ssh Dec 21 15:44:26 LOL Dec 21 15:44:43 this is contrary to my pervious observations using OS2008 beta Dec 21 15:44:56 maemo repos are back, but the content is missing! Dec 21 15:44:58 whereas what you say was true with OS2007 Dec 21 15:45:00 you should change the password if you run the ssh server on hour tablet Dec 21 15:45:07 thoughtfix: I... I.... think I just vomited a little in my mouth. Either that, or I'm salivating. Dec 21 15:45:16 haven't rrued yet with the new 2008 Dec 21 15:45:29 Rocketman: yes, of course Dec 21 15:45:57 I was just commenting on the nw package installation prompting for that change as part if the installation. Impressive... Dec 21 15:45:59 Dude. I love kids. Especially in a nice marsala wine sauce with mushrooms. Dec 21 15:46:01 hmm. any way to fix the tap rate? Dec 21 15:46:03 Served over linguini ... mmm Dec 21 15:46:15 single clicks (as fast as i can make them) are coming through 2-4 times Dec 21 15:46:40 hmm. it stopped. maybe load related :( Dec 21 15:47:21 db48x: the likely cause is TCP connection timeouts set too high. Probably on the scp target server. Can you connect to other servers durring that 15 minute period? Dec 21 15:48:28 hmm, that's easy enough to check Dec 21 15:48:40 umm.. .whats the home button on the n810? Dec 21 15:48:59 What is it? Dec 21 15:49:13 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/#a4f6eb951c9d89a4a9027f479f3935c8 Dec 21 15:49:22 says to turn it on while holding home Dec 21 15:49:56 that's not strictly speaking necessary Dec 21 15:49:59 The one that looks like a house? Dec 21 15:50:00 hehe Dec 21 15:50:03 It's the "swap" button Dec 21 15:50:08 thoughtfix: it's not a house on the N810 Dec 21 15:50:08 if you run the flasher first, and only then turn on the nokia Dec 21 15:50:18 hillct: yes, I can Dec 21 15:50:24 magicrobotmonkey: it's the button on the side immediately above back, below the camera. Dec 21 15:50:34 ah ok there it goes Dec 21 15:50:38 I know Dec 21 15:50:41 My bad Dec 21 15:50:45 the home key is needed when you turn the nokia on first, it asks it to wait for the flasher to connect instead of just booting Dec 21 15:50:52 It's the one on the front that's not the escape key Dec 21 15:50:57 db48x: check the SSHd config on your target server for connection timeout settings Dec 21 15:51:00 wow that was quixk Dec 21 15:51:50 I've always avoided the home key problem by having flasher running and looking for devices when I turn it on Dec 21 15:52:45 dragorn: yeah. same here. The docs I always use explicitly say to start the flasher first Dec 21 15:52:58 I didn't know the other method was even an option Dec 21 15:53:17 me either until recently :P Dec 21 15:53:22 Can anyone recommend some podcast tracking software (other than Videocenter, which isn't out for OS2008 yet) Dec 21 15:53:47 hillct: there are no server settings for timeouts Dec 21 15:54:47 well, there is ClientAliveInterval, but that applies only to active but idle connections Dec 21 15:55:31 db48x: that's what you're dealing with. it sounds like the N800 is not peroperly closing the connections Dec 21 15:57:52 no, netstat doesn't show any connections still open Dec 21 15:58:03 really stupid question: is there any kind of standby mode on the N810? Dec 21 15:58:15 is anyone able to download canola2? Dec 21 15:58:33 aspiers: the screen turns off when you're not using it, after a configurable timeout Dec 21 15:58:48 and the cpu frequency is scaled back when nothing much is running Dec 21 15:58:53 bedboi: 1 click - doesn't work for me on N810 (OS2008) Dec 21 15:58:55 db48x: then I don't know. it was esentially a guess anyway Dec 21 15:58:58 aspiers: OS2007 had a "soft poweroff" which turned the screen off immediately, locked the keys etc. And someone's found a suspend-like functionality on OS2008 by poking some stuff in /sys Dec 21 15:59:10 db48x: that's what I figured, but was hoping for something more immediate Dec 21 15:59:22 aspiers: the problem is the actual downloading, it always time out Dec 21 15:59:23 including going into offline mode for power saving Dec 21 15:59:24 aspiers: what do you mean by immediate? Dec 21 15:59:33 you can turn the delay down to 0 seconds, as I recall Dec 21 15:59:45 aspiers: set the screen dim timeout and tick "dim screen on lock", then just use the slider to lock & dim screen, making it semi-suspended. Dec 21 15:59:46 hillct: yea, thanks anyway Dec 21 15:59:57 Jaffa: ahah! sounds great Dec 21 16:00:04 db48x: if you do figure it out, please let me know what it was Dec 21 16:00:12 hillct: will do Dec 21 16:00:57 aspiers: Control Panel > Display. Set "brightness period" and "switch off display" to the same value, then you can just use the lock switch to blank the screen immediately Dec 21 16:01:11 What's the URL to extras-devel? Dec 21 16:01:21 Hmm Dec 21 16:01:25 Podcast software? Dec 21 16:01:27 wget ;) Dec 21 16:01:38 http://repository.meamo.org/extras-devel/ is 404ing Dec 21 16:01:41 lol thoughtfix Dec 21 16:02:04 That doesn't tell me what I've already got and what is new etc... :P Dec 21 16:02:09 Jaffa: works great, thanks! still need to remember to go offline first though Dec 21 16:02:26 is canola2 available for OS2008? Dec 21 16:02:37 yes if you can get it :) Dec 21 16:02:42 ok :) Dec 21 16:02:51 btw, what is going on with repositories on maemo.org? Dec 21 16:03:08 zoran: We're all upset by it and we'd all like to know Dec 21 16:03:11 aspiers: that's what the timeouts are for in Control Panel > Connectivity > Idle times Dec 21 16:03:32 hosting a repository with a 770 by a gprs bluetooth enabled phone isn't a good idea Dec 21 16:03:32 zoran: no-one knows and no-one from the Maemo team is talking (or aware of the problem, or cares, or ...) Dec 21 16:04:26 the next time i ll wait 2 week at least before to upgrade to the new firmware ... Dec 21 16:04:38 hm, I messed my system with missing libs after trying to update Dec 21 16:04:46 lol Dec 21 16:04:48 whats the default root password for OS2008? Dec 21 16:06:23 The account's locked by default now. Dec 21 16:06:45 Just install becomeroot, or an SSH package which unlocks it by prompting for a new passowrd Dec 21 16:06:45 you need to be in R&D mode Dec 21 16:07:14 * aspiers compiled emacs 22.1-gtk inside chinook scratchbox and is hoping to produce a .deb soon Dec 21 16:07:37 <||cw> Vulc|Bleh: there is no password, so you can't log in until you set one AND enable root login via ssh Dec 21 16:07:54 And how do I do that? Dec 21 16:08:00 aspiers: I use emacs myself, but why do you need it inside sb? Dec 21 16:08:01 ||cw: or you install becomeroot, or you enable R&D mode. Dec 21 16:08:02 aspiers: wow, cool Dec 21 16:08:02 aspiers, there was a zile version for 2006 Dec 21 16:08:15 <||cw> Jaffa: it prompts? hm Dec 21 16:08:21 Can we be accurate about the number of different mechanisms to get root please? SSH isn't the easiest. Dec 21 16:08:40 <||cw> Vulc|Bleh: any reason that ssh as user then `sudo gainroot` isn't good enough? Dec 21 16:08:47 sudoers file should be read with big glasses Dec 21 16:08:47 are any of the media players daap clients? Dec 21 16:08:52 k-s: I want it on my N810! Dec 21 16:08:58 aspiers: possible to include in http://mud-builder.garage.maemo.org/ ? Dec 21 16:09:01 ||cw: I believe gainroot is installed and it is still giving me problems Dec 21 16:09:02 * dhdfoo wants it on his N800 too :) Dec 21 16:09:05 I'm going to redownload it now, though Dec 21 16:09:13 zoran: yeah but I have a load of elisp I want to run Dec 21 16:09:22 k Dec 21 16:09:29 Vulc|Bleh: if becomeroot is installed, `sudo gainroot' will work without any prompting. Dec 21 16:09:31 ssh as user was ok with public-key, but the account has no password Dec 21 16:09:49 however, since upgrading to Dec 21 16:09:51 <||cw> install xterm and set a password Dec 21 16:09:54 oops.. Dec 21 16:09:56 Jaffa: I guess so, I'm new to all this. Built rpms for years but never a .deb before Dec 21 16:09:58 all those problems are sudo related Dec 21 16:09:59 aspiers: ah Dec 21 16:10:17 from beta os2008, my authorized-key doesn't seem to work anymore Dec 21 16:12:09 is there a new version of HE out? http://www.maemopeople.org/index.php/piega/2007/12/21/mirrors_of_the_latest_nokia_770_hacker_e Dec 21 16:14:10 Ahh, for all other newbies like me... make sure you set "components" to: free non-free Dec 21 16:15:10 which repo is becomeroot under Dec 21 16:15:36 <|tbb|> btw what becomeroot do to gain root access? Dec 21 16:16:49 what is the command for starting up the browser from commans-line? Dec 21 16:17:00 |tbb|: it modifies /usr/sbin/gainroot (IIRC) to not check the R&D flag Dec 21 16:17:01 *command Dec 21 16:18:14 |tbb|: these days you can just install openssh-server and it'll set a root pw - then you can just ssh in and edit gainroot yourself Dec 21 16:18:24 canola2 installation file corrupted.... bugger. Dec 21 16:18:32 ugh. 100% of the apps i'm trying to reinstall "installation file is corrupted" Dec 21 16:18:38 Has anyone recently used the maemo-sdk installation script? I'm getting the following lines when I run it. I have been since yesterday so I think it mustbe me now, not the server. Dec 21 16:18:48 E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? Dec 21 16:18:57 E: Unable to install maemo-sdk-dev on CHINOOK_X86 target. Dec 21 16:19:06 dskippy: its the server Dec 21 16:19:12 Is it? Dec 21 16:19:29 (ooh. only 95% .. mapdownloader installed) Dec 21 16:19:47 Any idea if there's an alternative to getting the packages needed for the SDK? Dec 21 16:20:10 Or just simply python2.5-runtime for the device itself would help me a great deal too. Dec 21 16:21:53 <|tbb|> disconnect: these days you cant install anything, like you could before Dec 21 16:26:57 <|tbb|> jaffa: how to change the sbin gainroot without having root access ;) Dec 21 16:27:42 |tbb|: it's a deb, it runs as root when you install it. All the packages are installed as root, otherwise they couldn't be put in /usr/bin/... etc. Dec 21 16:28:06 WOW! The new updated Gronmayer.com site is really impressive Dec 21 16:28:23 <|tbb|> ah k, i understand. Dec 21 16:28:25 So user asks App Mgr to install becomeroot, App Mgr invokes apt-get *as root* to install deb. becomeroot deb's postinst script runs as root and modifies /usr/sbin/gainroot. Dec 21 16:29:12 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/libf/libffi4/libffi4_4.1.0-1osso1_armel.deb Size mismatch Dec 21 16:29:12 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/python2.5/python2.5_2.5.1-1osso3_armel.deb Size mismatch Dec 21 16:29:18 mm? Dec 21 16:29:32 hillct: annoyingly it doesn't solve the repository problem - and possibly makes it worse. Finding a solution to congregate things in extras(-devel) will fall off the radar now [although after this week, ...]. You still need all the right repos installed before all a package's dependencies will be resolved properly Dec 21 16:32:21 Jaffa: true. To some extent though I feel that's the responsibility of the repo maintainers. That is, a repo maintainer should assume that a user has only the base repo and his, installed, so any package with dependencies should have all those dependencies resolved using other packages from the same repo Dec 21 16:32:34 at least to my way of thinking anyway Dec 21 16:33:13 hillct: oh, absolutely. But if repo maintainers cared that much about their users (on the whole), they'd be uploading the packages to extras and suffering the bit of pain that invokes, rather than taking the easy route of providing their own repo. Dec 21 16:33:28 true Dec 21 16:33:30 Of course, in the last few days the brokenness of repository.maemo.org is making me change my mind Dec 21 16:33:37 * mgedmin cares only for himself Dec 21 16:34:05 I agree @ uploading to extras Dec 21 16:34:23 It's to be expected: OSS is primarily about scratching your own itch, and the barrier to entry to a new repo is lower than that of uploading to extras. Dec 21 16:34:28 Jaffa: I can see that line of reasoning too Dec 21 16:34:45 that said, I've been submitting my ruby packages to alterego's repo so that people don't have to preinstall ruby from a different repo before using them Dec 21 16:35:07 but perhaps the submission process for maemo extras needs to be streamlined somehow to desuade developers from creating their own repos Dec 21 16:35:19 If alterego's ruby port is going to get any traction it'll need to be in extras. Dec 21 16:35:33 hillct: absolutely agreed 100%. And the stability of its server sorted. Dec 21 16:36:37 that too Dec 21 16:36:50 heh, he's finding the extras barrier a bit hight Dec 21 16:36:59 stop with this extra repository ... Dec 21 16:37:04 what he really needs for traction is 1 "killer" ruby app Dec 21 16:37:09 it s mainly down ! Dec 21 16:37:20 e.g. if canola2 were in ruby Dec 21 16:37:21 tak: and the 1.9 ruby release (if it performs better) Dec 21 16:37:28 I haven't submitted anyting anywhere (yet) so I don't know how painful it is personally Dec 21 16:37:38 the 1.8 release performs at least as well as python Dec 21 16:37:44 anyway, Gotta run. Later all. Dec 21 16:37:46 tak: Wow, then python performs really bad :P Dec 21 16:37:52 yes. yes it does. Dec 21 16:37:59 tak: I'm using the one ruby app I care about - metasploit - as a benchmark Dec 21 16:38:02 Tak > when hildon-home binding ll get a good garbage ... i ve many home applet to release :) Dec 21 16:38:21 tak: and having a 50-90 second delay every time a new file has to be parsed is unusable. And this is the CLI version, I'm not even trying to do rails :P Dec 21 16:38:36 bye Dec 21 16:38:49 tak: Not that it's alters fault, ruby 1.8 is pretty horribly ugly about how it does memory stuff which is probably the biggest problem on maemo Dec 21 16:39:08 dragorn: wow, that's painful - I'm dumping vkbs to xml in like 5s Dec 21 16:39:16 but until that gets solved, makes having a killer app pretty hard. 1.9 has some very impressive performance results on intel, I have no idea how it might look like in maemo Dec 21 16:39:55 tak: msf does a lot of string manip, but not in the CLI presentation, so I tend to suspect it isn't the code. For codegen I expect they're very ugly, but I don't even get to that point Dec 21 16:40:54 dragorn: what memory stuff do you particularly dislike with Ruby on Maemo? Dec 21 16:41:23 incidentally, adding another 64M swap really improved the performance of my 770 Dec 21 16:41:31 Spakman_: Ruby in general does some weird things with how it concats strings, etc, which I suspect is the biggest problem on maemo, since you're doing a lot of memory/bus thrashing Dec 21 16:41:47 <_z_> folks, after having a problem with repos, I cannot make libutis to run cause glibc_2.4 Dec 21 16:41:54 Spakman_: But it's been a long time since i've looked into it more, I'm just kind of hoping 1.9 acts better :) Dec 21 16:42:19 dragorn: me too. Hopefully not long 'till we find out Dec 21 16:44:00 Spakman_: if I recall, adding a char to a string is a second full malloc, mem copy, free, alloc, memcpy back. Something similar to how java handles non-literal strings. It's been a while, like I said. I'm not 100% on the maemo specifics, but embedded stuff often shows sharp performance drops when you're thrashing the memory. Dec 21 16:44:38 wtf is repository.maemo.org doing? Dec 21 16:44:40 I'm seeing people talking about Canola2... it's pretty, but... function is less than great right now. Dec 21 16:44:46 it returns a strange plain-text file instead of .debs Dec 21 16:44:49 I can't even seem to download podcasts for later listening. Dec 21 16:45:18 not an error message, just a weird one containing "$filename:\n\n*** Contents" Dec 21 16:45:54 speaking of, does anyone know how to get mplayer to behave sanely on startup? gmplayer seems to be indexing all of my drives, resulting in a 90 second startup - it's definitely thrashing the flash, I can see the kernel threads wake up. Or is that just price of admission, get faster flash? Dec 21 16:46:14 <_z_> mgedmin, is it possible to mess glibc via repo update? Dec 21 16:47:22 yes, probably. if you've r&d'd your device, you're not going to want to update packages like busybox or glibc Dec 21 16:47:43 <_z_> I did not Dec 21 16:48:25 <_z_> after failing update ofvrepos, /lib/libutils is missing glibc_2.4 Dec 21 16:48:30 then you've probably got something which is a borked package that doesn't handle os2008 yet - i've seen a lot of things with weird hildon or syslib deps which aren't valid in os2008 Dec 21 16:48:41 <_z_> 2006 Dec 21 16:48:43 or it's some other issue, that's my guess tho Dec 21 16:48:44 _z_: maybe, could you be more specific? Dec 21 16:48:56 guys... why http://downloads.maemo.org/OS2007/desktop-environment/ said that wizard-mounter have 3 votes.. but I can't see no one..? Dec 21 16:49:34 <_z_> k, using pythonscripts and socat, I use libutils Dec 21 16:49:52 <_z_> it misses glibc_2.4 Dec 21 16:50:16 <_z_> repo update messed something Dec 21 16:50:18 ... this monkey's gone to heaven~ Dec 21 16:51:21 <_z_> how could I roll it back? Dec 21 16:52:46 Hi! Dec 21 16:52:55 _z_ was that in scratchbox or on an actual device? Dec 21 16:53:00 and did you do apt-get upgrade or what? Dec 21 16:53:07 * mgedmin wants to know what 'repo update' means Dec 21 16:53:16 it could mean 'apt-get update', which is harmless Dec 21 16:53:36 in general, running apt-get upgrade on the device is a recipe for disaster Dec 21 16:53:36 <_z_> 770 Dec 21 16:53:44 when you've got the SDK repo in your apt sources Dec 21 16:53:56 some system packages from the SDK repo are incompatible with the actual device Dec 21 16:54:03 <_z_> just repos update, nthing more Dec 21 16:54:08 and the actual device doesn't allow you to upgrade certain essential system packages Dec 21 16:54:09 how do i tell the media indexer to ignore certain paths? (or is there a match that it'll always ignore?) its constantly indexing all my maps and such :( Dec 21 16:54:20 <_z_> not upgrade Dec 21 16:54:24 (the watchdog notices an essential service being restarted and reboots in the middle of an upgrade) Dec 21 16:54:28 ah, repos update = apt-get update Dec 21 16:54:34 no way that would break anything Dec 21 16:54:35 <_z_> yep Dec 21 16:54:48 <_z_> get it Dec 21 16:54:56 <_z_> what to do? Dec 21 16:55:17 <_z_> python does not work Dec 21 16:55:28 Disconnect: how do your maps sound? Dec 21 16:55:29 <_z_> nor socat Dec 21 16:55:39 hmm :/ Dec 21 16:55:47 where did you get your python from? Dec 21 16:55:50 <_z_> mutt uses libutils Dec 21 16:55:50 sp3000: slow :) Dec 21 16:55:55 the sdk python will probably not work on the actual device Dec 21 16:55:56 <_z_> extras Dec 21 16:56:02 ah, ok, interesting Dec 21 16:56:08 <_z_> not sdk Dec 21 16:56:10 <_z_> 770 Dec 21 16:56:44 * sp3000 cotemplates a "where stuff came from" script Dec 21 16:57:14 cotemplate? that's not a word, but it sounds credibly technical :P Dec 21 16:57:20 * czr gives more templates to sp3000 Dec 21 16:57:25 more templates, more fun! Dec 21 16:57:33 <_z_> I put mail from mutt to python script and it fails for glibc Dec 21 16:57:37 ooh, now we're cotemplatng! Dec 21 16:57:42 ing! Dec 21 16:58:05 co-templace, the next generation. taking templates where they've never gone before (and shouldn't go, now that we think about it) Dec 21 16:58:13 template damn it Dec 21 16:58:19 sp3000: you mean, dpkg -S ? Dec 21 16:58:58 sp3000, cotemplate might be some new feature in C++++ Dec 21 16:59:06 Jaffa: pkgs:repos rather than files:pkgs Dec 21 16:59:10 similar to coroutines, but even more confusing that coroutines and templates combined Dec 21 16:59:21 czr, sounds like a plan Dec 21 16:59:23 sp3000: for installed pkgs or something like gronmayer.com/it/ Dec 21 16:59:33 for installed Dec 21 17:00:03 * czr always thought that ++ operator should increment by two, not by one Dec 21 17:00:17 _z_: which exactly os revision do you have? Dec 21 17:00:32 there were three official ones, iirc (mistral, scirocco and gregale) Dec 21 17:00:48 perhaps the python deb you've got is incompatible with the one you're running? Dec 21 17:01:04 what's the version of the python package? Dec 21 17:01:07 <_z_> it worked 2 dys ago Dec 21 17:01:12 <_z_> 2.5 Dec 21 17:01:23 hm, interesting Dec 21 17:01:31 what changed in those 2 days? Dec 21 17:01:32 <_z_> I know Dec 21 17:01:38 <_z_> repos Dec 21 17:01:46 is there a dpkg.log on the 770? Dec 21 17:01:53 <_z_> hm Dec 21 17:02:12 <_z_> missing repo at maemo org Dec 21 17:02:15 mhm Dec 21 17:02:21 random memory corruption? Dec 21 17:02:25 the wifi driver on 770 has it Dec 21 17:02:34 <_z_> could be Dec 21 17:02:41 mgedmin: doesn't look like os2008 keeps one, at least Dec 21 17:02:48 once apt-get stopped working on my sister's 770 (complained about invalid fields in /var/lib/dpkg/status) Dec 21 17:02:53 I had no xterm on it, and no way to get root Dec 21 17:02:54 wifi driver is fixed in latest 2007HE Dec 21 17:02:57 I resigned myself to reflashing Dec 21 17:03:10 when I finally found the time (a few weeks later), the problem was just gone Dec 21 17:03:27 <_z_> he-he Dec 21 17:03:34 I assume that was it, and there was probably a reboot during those weeks Dec 21 17:04:49 <_z_> I write on 770 and it works in general Dec 21 17:05:29 <_z_> just /lib/libutils.so.1 misses glibc_2.4 Dec 21 17:05:59 * mgedmin wonders about libutil.so.1 Dec 21 17:06:24 oh, it's part of glibc Dec 21 17:06:33 <_z_> yes Dec 21 17:06:51 * mgedmin wants to take the 770 back from his sister Dec 21 17:06:59 maybe I should get her an asus eee pc as a replacement? Dec 21 17:07:20 <_z_> if u find one Dec 21 17:07:35 <||cw> I'm thinking getting an Eee Dec 21 17:07:43 <_z_> if u find one Dec 21 17:08:16 there were three in a local shop... a few... weeks... ago... and one was reserved for someone Dec 21 17:08:16 <||cw> newegg has them in stock Dec 21 17:08:17 hm Dec 21 17:08:42 <_z_> k, how could I cp glibc from somewhere? Dec 21 17:08:54 the black one is in stock Dec 21 17:08:59 <_z_> don't say reflash Dec 21 17:09:27 "reflash" Dec 21 17:09:31 <||cw> they even have the 1G/8G but only in perl Dec 21 17:09:48 scnr, lame is my game Dec 21 17:10:07 in perl? Dec 21 17:10:08 Jaffa: something like for p in $(dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/{print $2}'); do echo -ne $p\\t; apt-cache showpkg $p | sed -n 's,(/var/lib/dpkg/status),,p'; done Dec 21 17:10:16 what are the alternatives? ruby? python? Dec 21 17:10:21 <||cw> woner how hard t would be to dual boot XP on one, most of the time when i use my laptop i use it because I have to have a real windows install, not in vmware Dec 21 17:10:41 although, what that will tell you is not where the installed packages came from, but from where the same version that is installed is available from Dec 21 17:10:44 <_z_> not an idea Dec 21 17:10:45 from from Dec 21 17:10:45 <||cw> mgedmin: perl white Dec 21 17:10:47 _z_: I assume you've already tried rebooting? Dec 21 17:10:51 ah, pearl Dec 21 17:10:52 ||cw: not hard (people have done it) but its got basically no storage Dec 21 17:10:57 ruby red, python green? Dec 21 17:11:03 scaly :-) Dec 21 17:11:04 <_z_> yes, but will do again Dec 21 17:11:08 hmm Dec 21 17:11:09 <_z_> bbl Dec 21 17:11:17 <||cw> Disconnect: the 8GB one would be enough, and there's also SD Dec 21 17:11:27 <||cw> or even install XP to a USB disk Dec 21 17:12:34 Anyone got experience with Canola2? Dec 21 17:12:37 <||cw> wonder if you could install windows to a SDHC card Dec 21 17:12:42 o_O Dec 21 17:13:25 ||cw: The result would be much the same as installing it to a PC... feelings of hopelessness, depression, things that you once enjoyed no longer mean anything to you. Dec 21 17:13:49 heh, we distribute systems with winxp on doac Dec 21 17:14:24 <||cw> FMZ: only things I need windows for are "fixing" ipods and reflashing smartphones Dec 21 17:14:27 <||cw> i think Dec 21 17:15:32 <||cw> of course, that new little everex is interesting too, and has a 30GB hdd Dec 21 17:16:02 FMZ: I've used it. Dec 21 17:17:06 "If I had my life to live over again, I would have made a rule to read some poetry and listen to some music at least once a week." - Charles Darwin Dec 21 17:17:17 <_z_> mgedmin, for some reason, glibc now works! Dec 21 17:17:20 yay Dec 21 17:17:22 magic Dec 21 17:17:27 <_z_> thank,you Dec 21 17:17:52 * mgedmin has psychic irc bugfixing powers Dec 21 17:17:54 <_z_> I did reboot fewtimes prviously Dec 21 17:18:20 ughhhh. repository.maemo.org is returning 200 OK with error pages :( Dec 21 17:18:29 joy Dec 21 17:18:30 Disconnect: heh :( Dec 21 17:18:32 <_z_> no, you really helped makng the sace curving Dec 21 17:18:42 <_z_> *space Dec 21 17:18:48 Disconnect: that's how they broke acid2 just now at webstandards.org, too :) Dec 21 17:19:07 Jaffa: Have you come across "error during download" when trying to get podcasts? Dec 21 17:19:07 <_z_> and non-free isthe problem Dec 21 17:19:10 people were all omg fx3b2 fails acid2 Dec 21 17:20:22 haha Dec 21 17:20:44 I still have a 1920×1440 image in my microb start page Dec 21 17:21:43 db48x: eh, why? :) Dec 21 17:23:30 sp3000: the vagaries of software development, I guess Dec 21 17:23:45 pupnik: excellent news Dec 21 17:23:52 ? Dec 21 17:23:52 I needed to test to see if chrome urls would work in that page, and that image was all I had handy Dec 21 17:23:56 How are working the maemo repositories now?? Dec 21 17:25:49 crafton: not very Dec 21 17:27:07 they seem to be working pretty well for me in the last hour or so, as it happens Dec 21 17:27:52 I achieved to install pidgin but nothing more Dec 21 17:28:27 From spain Dec 21 17:28:42 try again, you'll probably get something useful every now and then Dec 21 17:29:03 http://bayimg.com/iAiMFaaBf Dec 21 17:29:58 for about 15 seconds there I tried to understand what that image is trying to say about repository.m.o Dec 21 17:30:16 it was a confusing 15 seconds Dec 21 17:30:22 lol Dec 21 17:30:41 the chick is r.m.o - the guy with the sword is the maemo community Dec 21 17:31:06 what about the guy in the s/m teddybear outfit Dec 21 17:31:28 Isn't pidgin on r.m.o ? Dec 21 17:31:43 that's a different image entirely :-P Dec 21 17:31:55 * pupnik is confused by Tak Dec 21 17:32:00 crafton: yes, extras Dec 21 17:32:04 Repos now fine? http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=113185 Dec 21 17:32:06 pupnik: what's confusing? Dec 21 17:32:16 Jaffa: for some, aparently Dec 21 17:32:31 oh the picture link Dec 21 17:32:34 nice looking! Dec 21 17:33:02 any sound yet? Dec 21 17:33:12 yeah, sound works fine Dec 21 17:33:59 Jaffa: not for me Dec 21 17:34:01 great news - looks like best emu so far eh? Dec 21 17:34:14 yeah - the game selection is a bit limited though :-/ Dec 21 17:34:18 (speed) Dec 21 17:34:19 mgedmin: fair enough Dec 21 17:34:51 LXDoom on the N810 is really cool. I can finally type idkfa and iddqd and do reasonably well. I don't use the stylus anymore either (couldn't get on with it, being left-handed) Dec 21 17:35:00 I'm still getting complaints that the python2.5-runtime "Installation file [is] corrupted" Dec 21 17:35:44 hmm i find the quake port has very usable controls Dec 21 17:36:10 I played through metal slug and neo bomberman while my fiancee was at the dentist, though Dec 21 17:36:10 Anyone else able to install python2.5-runtime? Dec 21 17:37:23 dskippy: repository.maemo.org is broken Dec 21 17:37:32 I doubt anyone is able to install anything from it Dec 21 17:38:45 neo geo looks like lots of fighting Dec 21 17:38:46 mgedmin, I thought someone just announced that it was fixed in the IRC channel. Dec 21 17:39:01 hah! Dec 21 17:39:04 dskippy: no, I asked a question based on a forum topic. Dec 21 17:39:23 dskippy: the load progress bar gets to about 60% and then complains, yeah Dec 21 17:39:28 Awe :( Wishful thinking I guess. Dec 21 17:39:39 it's working a lot faster though :P Dec 21 17:39:45 fnordianslip: If you're still here and didn't solve it yet, check the permissions on /home/user/.ssh Dec 21 17:39:53 sp3000 I get to the end of the 5.26MB download and then it says it's corrupted. Dec 21 17:40:04 fnordianslip, mine was world writeable and apparently sshd doesn't like that Dec 21 17:40:19 haha, yeah Dec 21 17:40:32 oh, http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/python-runtime/python2.5-runtime_c1.0-2_all.deb tells me The service is temporarily unavailable. We are very sorry for the inconvinience it may cause. Dec 21 17:41:01 with the aforementioned 200 OK Dec 21 17:41:06 Huh. Dec 21 17:41:42 no wonder it works faster ;) Dec 21 17:41:53 Well that's at least a quicker place to check to see if it might work right now. Dec 21 17:42:11 <|R> which cpu monitoring applet are stable on 2008 ? Dec 21 17:47:59 johnx: tnx will take a look Dec 21 17:58:41 hi all! Dec 21 17:59:02 is there anything i can do about error with apt- get using the maemo repos? Dec 21 17:59:12 i get a: "Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" Dec 21 17:59:59 Henry78: they seem broken. You can download individual files and install them too Dec 21 18:00:35 are they going to be fixed? Dec 21 18:00:40 we hope so Dec 21 18:00:49 hmm. any way to automate importing of old maps into the new maemo mapper? Dec 21 18:00:49 : ) Dec 21 18:00:55 pupnik: are you sure you can download individual files? Dec 21 18:01:05 ^^ just wanted to ask the same Dec 21 18:01:19 no, but you would then get the statusbar from wget Dec 21 18:01:30 but will you get it? Dec 21 18:01:38 I get a 200-byte long plain text file called something.deb Dec 21 18:01:45 but its contents are silly Dec 21 18:08:04 ugh. now canola is indexing my maps too :( Dec 21 18:08:43 Disconnect: remove the maps dir on settings Dec 21 18:09:07 where to remove it? Dec 21 18:09:09 it just offers images, removable card, internal card. am i missing something? Dec 21 18:09:33 unset the MMC Dec 21 18:09:58 after that set internal folders on MMC Dec 21 18:10:39 aaahhh. cool got it now. Dec 21 18:10:54 :-) Dec 21 18:18:47 ok now how do i make it actually work? pointed it only at a dir containing 3 subdirs of pics (standard jpeg) .. but it still shows just the maps. (triple-checked hte selections, even rebooted) Dec 21 18:21:07 Disconnect: It takes a few to show up Dec 21 18:21:17 Make sure you click the little "eye" icon Dec 21 18:21:57 Disconnect: it maybe a bug that we already fixed...try this: Dec 21 18:22:07 how to set the internal folders? Dec 21 18:22:15 Disconnect: click the "eye" icon to "deselect" the folder, select "ok" Dec 21 18:22:25 MoRpHeUz: Are you part of the dev-team for Canola? Dec 21 18:22:26 go to photos (there should be nothing there) Dec 21 18:22:29 FMZ: yep Dec 21 18:22:41 Disconnect: than try selecting it again... Dec 21 18:22:50 Disconnect: let me know the result plz =) Dec 21 18:23:05 FMZ: chenca, cmarcelo, k-s are too Dec 21 18:23:17 MoRpHeUz: Any ideas wht I might be getting "Error during download" whenever I try to download one of my podcasts? Dec 21 18:23:34 delected (slashy-eye) all 3 - photos, internal, external. it went 'updating database' .. still lists the maps Dec 21 18:23:53 FMZ: No left space on Device?? Dec 21 18:24:04 700 mb :) Dec 21 18:24:40 well, I show that when the download manager changes state to error Dec 21 18:24:57 Disconnect: in which folder are this maps ? Dec 21 18:25:44 internal -> mapdata -> maemomapper -> mapsource -> {maemo mapper # dirs} Dec 21 18:25:55 trying to get (at a base at least) external -> photos instead Dec 21 18:26:05 i will improve the error reporting Dec 21 18:26:15 but i will need to look at the download manager Dec 21 18:27:03 if i select external it will go 'udpating database' again but no change Dec 21 18:29:05 Since yesterday I installed the definitive OS2008 I cant put the clock on to 24 hour mode. Its allways on am-pm mode Dec 21 18:29:22 any one knows where to change it? Dec 21 18:31:06 hugolp: install canola, we just provide 24hs clock :-D Dec 21 18:31:22 k-s: open source canola and Ill install it Dec 21 18:31:33 :) Dec 21 18:31:40 good one Dec 21 18:31:41 :-P Dec 21 18:31:52 I can open source the clock, if you wish Dec 21 18:31:54 ehehe Dec 21 18:31:56 hahahaha Dec 21 18:32:01 we have a deal then? Dec 21 18:32:23 hey peeps Dec 21 18:32:31 just got my n800 update :D Dec 21 18:32:48 * Disconnect installed it. its a very pretty interface to view random google map squares :P Dec 21 18:33:00 oooh. bonus. it added the actual pics now too. Dec 21 18:33:02 Disconnect: ehehehe Dec 21 18:33:52 k-s: Do you have any idea why I might get "error during download" when I try to download my podcasts? I have plenty of disk space. Dec 21 18:33:55 fyi in the dir selector the scrollbar appears when the entries exactly fit (one line too soon - it appears, but there's nothing to scroll) Dec 21 18:35:20 damn. just went to copy 3 files totalling abt 135MB onto mmc1 from my MacBook via USB, but copy didn't complete Dec 21 18:35:39 and the menu button inside browsing goes to main menu (which is fine) but the 'back arrow' doesn't go back to the picture, it goes to "want to exit?" (i'm spoiled :P ..) Dec 21 18:35:54 n800 rebooted. now mmc1 keeps going RO and I can't copy files from it into my cloned root FS on mmc2. Dec 21 18:36:18 any ideas, or should i consult the forums for doom and gloom posts Dec 21 18:36:40 fnordianslip: Have you checked the physical switch on the card? Dec 21 18:37:04 never experienced this kind of problem myself under 2007 or 2008 beta, with the same cards Dec 21 18:37:47 Disconnect: please report on garage :-) Dec 21 18:37:54 well, it seems to work, giving the correct notifications when i open and close the door Dec 21 18:37:58 FMZ: no idea, kenne wrote that Dec 21 18:38:06 FMZ: but maybe it's full, as chenca said Dec 21 18:38:34 FMZ: notice that we try to finda good mmc, but you may end with that in an UNMOUNTED /media/mmc Dec 21 18:38:37 k-s: I've got plenty :) Dec 21 18:38:48 oh the switch on the card? hmm..unlikely as it hasn't been out of the device Dec 21 18:39:00 like you have no mmc1, then canola checks and mis-use it, you'll end without flash memory Dec 21 18:42:18 k-s: I have memory in both slots... both have over 100mb available. Dec 21 18:42:32 damn Dec 21 18:42:34 So, Canola isn't open source... 'tis a shame, I'd check it out. Dec 21 18:42:46 kenne: is there any log available from your part or download-manager? Dec 21 18:43:25 If I can get this part working, then Canola will be running 75% of the time that the n800 is switched on. Dec 21 18:43:37 :-) Dec 21 18:43:51 FMZ: we need to find out what's the blocker there, as we need to fix it :-) Dec 21 18:44:10 FM:Z: and the other 25% Dec 21 18:44:13 actually kenne needs to fix it :-) Dec 21 18:45:24 chenca: The other 25% will be the browser. :) Dec 21 18:45:44 FMZ: hold on and someday you'll be 100% inside canola :-D Dec 21 18:45:57 FMZ: ^^^ Dec 21 18:45:58 Are there any plans to support video-casts, a la Revision3? Dec 21 18:46:08 FMZ: yes Dec 21 18:46:11 anyone using Mobyle Mythtv here? Dec 21 18:46:17 Oooh, browser support inside Canola? I like it. Dec 21 18:46:30 its not working for me in the new OS2008 Dec 21 18:46:37 k-s, chenca: I love you guys. Dec 21 18:46:37 actually, after we release our UPnP plugin anyone will be able to support new data acquisition services Dec 21 18:50:15 why won't ssh-client install Dec 21 18:50:20 it says installation file corrupt Dec 21 18:50:27 hugolp: i would be but it doesn't have a mythtv-side for amd64 :( Dec 21 18:51:09 k-s: An idea... a Canola applet on the homescreen like the RSS applet, for podcasts, etc. Dec 21 18:52:41 Disconnect: theres no mythtv packages for amd64? Dec 21 18:53:09 My computer is actually a amd64 but I run i386 Dec 21 18:53:13 FMZ: great idea Dec 21 18:53:16 not much difference and less trouble Dec 21 18:53:36 FMZ: I want to provide an easy way to write EFL applets, when I do that I'll write such script Dec 21 18:53:41 such applet, I mean Dec 21 18:54:49 hugolp: there's no mobile-myth app for amd64 (mobile-myth has 2 halves, it doesn't talk to stock mythtv Dec 21 18:55:43 how do i get canola2 installed? i'm getting lots of size mismatch errors Dec 21 18:56:10 k-s: Awesome :) Dec 21 18:58:52 Disconnect: sorry...I was away...could you workaround the problem ? Dec 21 18:59:49 MoRpHeUz: sorta. working on someting else for now. Dec 21 19:00:43 Disconnect: hhmm...let's see if on our next release it fixes for you...if not, just ping me ok ? (I just fixed some bugs on canola daemon today) Dec 21 19:00:51 sounds good Dec 21 19:01:11 thanks! =) Dec 21 19:02:20 grr. garnet doesn't work on the new os :( Dec 21 19:02:56 Disconnect: I see, so whats missing is Gmyth for amd64 Dec 21 19:03:45 Disconnect: you really think is worth to run the amd64 version? I run i386 on AMD 64 x2 4200. I tried amd64 version and didnt see almos any difference Dec 21 19:06:05 FMZ: could you fix the issue with podcast? or at least find out the reason? Dec 21 19:12:40 <||cw> hugolp: if you have an app that needs more than 2 GB ram or some app that haves a 64bit performance gain (i've yet to see one), only then is 64bit OS worth it Dec 21 19:16:09 cbx33: because the repository is being evil Dec 21 19:17:04 rather than slow Dec 21 19:17:33 ||cw: these days, the extra registers tend to be a decent performance improvement. esp for multimedia stuff. Dec 21 19:18:03 cbx33: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/o/openssh/openssh-client_4.6p1-5.maemo1_armel.deb probably explains Dec 21 19:18:48 another question: is it possible to use claws instead of ossomail? Dec 21 19:19:07 * sp3000 waves a modest flag Dec 21 19:19:19 <||cw> Disconnect: like dvd encoding? been a couple years since I tried, but it was like a 2% gain, not worth it for the lib64 issues Dec 21 19:19:39 although its background mail check prefs didn't work for me last I tried Dec 21 19:19:47 it would check regardless :( Dec 21 19:20:55 ||cw: waht issues? and yah, ffmpeg is nicely faster (although it could be even faster, it still generally uses 32bit asm many places) Dec 21 19:22:26 <||cw> just the whole chroot issue when you have to compile stuff that won't work in 64bit for whatever reason Dec 21 19:22:29 sp3000, please retry with the latest Dec 21 19:22:39 <||cw> haven't had as much of that as I used to though Dec 21 19:22:51 <||cw> drivers can also be a problem Dec 21 19:22:53