**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 23 02:59:56 2007 Dec 23 03:23:47 well my n770 is toast :( Dec 23 03:24:43 it seems I have the "White Screen of Death" issue. Anyone have any experience with nokia an their warranty? Dec 23 03:24:59 z/an/and Dec 23 03:25:07 s/z/s lol Dec 23 03:28:04 I dunno about their warranty, but the 770 comes free in a box of Cracker Jacks these days, right? Dec 23 03:28:55 lol I wish Dec 23 03:29:01 still $100+ usually Dec 23 03:29:11 even on ebay Dec 23 03:32:18 Wait another week for CompUSA deals. ;) Dec 23 03:36:02 I have never seen one in CompUSA and it is not on the web site so... Dec 23 03:45:19 Compusa is going away, they've stopped delivery of new items Dec 23 03:45:35 if yours doesn't have something now, it won't be getting them, afaik Dec 23 03:45:46 some stores got the 810s, some thought they were, but aren't Dec 23 03:45:58 My CompUSA has had the 770s and N800s but never N810s. Dec 23 03:45:58 I think buy.com is the best deal on the 800s right now Dec 23 03:48:04 The one my friend tried to go to in RI claimed to be getting them and then never did Dec 23 03:48:11 but he drove to hartford, CT and they had them Dec 23 03:48:25 Yeah, I'm at the CT one. Dec 23 03:48:40 The Manchester CT (near Hartford) has no N810s. Dec 23 03:48:45 They had 'em a week and a half ago :P Dec 23 03:49:11 I went to the NYC nokia store, got one of the last ones of the day but they were getting them fairly often Dec 23 03:49:11 Not that I care... I got my N810 three weeks ago. Dec 23 03:49:16 hopefully nokia will take care of it though, I mean this is a known issue and I have only had it a month Dec 23 03:49:33 halley: yeah me too Dec 23 03:49:42 I am perfectly happy with my 770 and personally I like the looks of it better than the 800 Dec 23 03:50:11 halley: I had to be in the city anyhow so I just went up to their store Dec 23 03:50:25 thefool: Yeah. The 810 is nice though, i think the hw was less rushed than the 800 Dec 23 03:50:47 I'm cranky that they broke USB in the os2008 release though Dec 23 03:50:51 alas I am but a poor college student Dec 23 03:50:55 going to have to spend a while trying to figure out how to unwedge that Dec 23 03:51:05 they did? Dec 23 03:51:13 They did for the devices I'm working on Dec 23 03:51:17 how broken is broke? Dec 23 03:51:30 Well, the wispy2 used to work fine (with, of course, the whitelist errors) Dec 23 03:51:45 Now it spews a 'couldn't mount filesystem' error, and has "interesting" behavior Dec 23 03:52:11 where interesting is defined as, if you boot the device with the wispy2 attached, it acts normally until you *finish* using the device Dec 23 03:52:34 and if you boot the 810 without the wispy2 and attach it post-boot, then it enumerates, searches, sometimes works briefly, and then crashes. Dec 23 03:52:51 And crashing means, it locks dead for 15-20 seconds and then the watchdog reboots it. Dec 23 03:53:18 It's very suboptimal and greatly annoys me that it worked in the beta. (Though not on the 800. Now the 810 acts like the 800, ie, borked.) Dec 23 03:58:42 I don't see why they don't work to make host-mode work out of the box Dec 23 03:59:46 Well, the 770 does have host side working out of the box Dec 23 03:59:50 only you need aux power Dec 23 04:02:51 thought it needed a kernel patch first Dec 23 04:03:14 bah I hate that my 770 just up and died on me. What total crap Dec 23 04:04:20 usb is working for me in both 2008 releases Dec 23 04:04:38 under windows anyhow, haven't tried with mac Dec 23 04:04:54 i did noticed i was asked to install more drivers Dec 23 04:04:56 lol, I think he is refering to host mode Dec 23 04:05:00 oh Dec 23 04:05:23 yes, i was referring to host mode. Dec 23 04:05:32 yea that would suck otherwise, try flashing without usb lol Dec 23 04:05:33 i didn't realize someone got host mode working on the n800 / 810 Dec 23 04:05:48 "working" since os2008 betas Dec 23 04:05:57 (worked better in the beta. ;/ ) Dec 23 04:06:00 yeah, that would be bad :\ Dec 23 04:06:36 what kind of cable do you need for host mode? Dec 23 04:06:46 * thefool is not sure why he is still on here, no tablet to talk about for a while Dec 23 04:07:02 l7_: For the 800, nonstandard custom or toggle it w/ software Dec 23 04:07:06 normal cable that you inject 5v into somehow Dec 23 04:07:07 i saw the crazy setup thoughtfix had for the 770 Dec 23 04:07:15 l7_: for the 810, a micro-a male Dec 23 04:07:33 no need for the power? Dec 23 04:07:37 The 800 and 810 provide *some* power. The 770 provides none. Dec 23 04:07:47 nice Dec 23 04:07:58 Some devices will work on the 8x0. 200mA, lower voltage than standard Dec 23 04:08:16 It annoys me that I could not simply use a powered hub and a normal cable to connect to whatever I wanted Dec 23 04:08:27 thefool: on a 770 you can Dec 23 04:08:28 why do the 800 and 810 have different cable requirements? Dec 23 04:08:33 its good to hear thats not really a issue Dec 23 04:08:48 dragorn: definitely not Dec 23 04:08:50 l7_: because they're different devices. The 800 is arguably broken, it's a mini-b with otg sensitivity Dec 23 04:08:53 thefool: sure can, I've done it Dec 23 04:09:13 dragorn: you have to send power to the 770 itself not just the device you want to power Dec 23 04:09:16 oh yeah i forgot the 810 had micro Dec 23 04:09:18 thefool: set it to host mode with flasher and use a powered usb hub (so long as it provides power back up the chain) Dec 23 04:09:23 thefool: mine does Dec 23 04:09:46 thefool: Or just get yourself a powered Y cable from a usb hard drive Dec 23 04:10:11 l7_: mini-usb A and B are different physical cable shells. micro-ab can take either, which is what the 810 has Dec 23 04:10:29 l7_: so you need an invalid cable to pin-control the 800, you need an 'a' pinning in a 'b' shell Dec 23 04:10:39 dragorn: yea, but thats a little different...most people don't have cables lying around that provide power both ways Dec 23 04:11:04 thefool: Dunno, i did :P The random hub I had did, and i've got at least 3 of those Y cables from 2.5" usb hard drives and my evdo modem Dec 23 04:11:26 thefool: i'd say it's harder to find a battery pack that outputs to USB than to find a cable like that Dec 23 04:11:38 dragorn: good point Dec 23 04:11:49 anyways, goodnight all. I think I may pop in again to see if someone can help me figure out how to contact the right people at nokia to return my 770. Dec 23 04:12:01 what's it doing? Dec 23 04:12:06 white screen Dec 23 04:12:28 nothing comes up if you start flasher and plug it in? Dec 23 04:12:29 startup sounds and everything, but just a white screen Dec 23 04:12:47 nope, I actually succesfully flashed it but no visual output Dec 23 04:12:54 ah, still borked after a reflash Dec 23 04:12:56 just that stupid white screen Dec 23 04:12:58 that sounds sad Dec 23 04:13:07 yea :( Dec 23 04:13:11 had it less than a month Dec 23 04:13:15 was worth a shot to try to flash it if you hadn't Dec 23 04:13:25 hm, both my 770s are still fine Dec 23 04:13:26 flashed it twice just to be sure lol Dec 23 04:13:37 want to mail me one? :) Dec 23 04:13:55 I will mail you my broken one and postage lol Dec 23 04:14:10 heh. I got one to do gps, etc in the car Dec 23 04:14:24 yea thats what I planned on setting mine up for Dec 23 04:14:56 have the GPS, mounting bracket, cables etc all coming in as xmas gifts. Then the stupid tablet dies on me Dec 23 04:14:57 how good is maemo-mapper's performance in the car? Dec 23 04:15:34 i'd wonder if the screen is better, and if it is fast enough to keep up Dec 23 05:57:46 So, is the consensus that the new update is worth installing? Dec 23 05:58:12 If so how much will it break from the last n800 2008 release? Dec 23 05:59:29 K`zan, I'd wait a week Dec 23 05:59:37 all the repos are slow or down because everyone is trying to update Dec 23 06:00:06 Vulcanis: Thanks, wilco! Dec 23 06:00:35 Got the update already, just don't know how big a job it will be to get back to where I am :-). Dec 23 06:16:50 hello everyone Dec 23 06:17:31 i have a question regarding chinook sdk does anyone know for how long it won't be available? Dec 23 06:18:07 because my http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free/source/Sources.gz fails to fetch :( Dec 23 06:27:13 serj: considering everyone is complaining and that I don't think anyone in here works for nokia in a position to fix it Dec 23 06:27:29 i wouldn't hold your breath Dec 23 06:28:47 :( Dec 23 06:29:04 so the os2008 noise is still going? Dec 23 06:30:22 eh was hoping to start development this xmas but oh well then...:P Dec 23 06:30:50 is there anyone else who has a mirror for the files? Dec 23 06:36:01 * thoughtf1x wanders back again Dec 23 06:41:32 Hello all Dec 23 06:42:14 hi threethirty Dec 23 06:54:15 how do i install hcitool? i had it in os2007, i dont on os2008 (n800) Dec 23 07:15:02 alnr: you have a os2008 in n800? Does skype work? Dec 23 07:15:34 it did in beta Dec 23 07:16:00 its in the menu but i havent used it Dec 23 07:16:37 google tells me nothing about missing hcitools, strange that mine is Dec 23 07:17:09 ok, I had to go to back os2007 cause my skype didn't work in os2008 Dec 23 07:18:49 works here atleast on n810 Dec 23 07:20:27 just tried calling my cell via new os skype/n800 ... Worked ok here... Everythings looking great Dec 23 07:21:51 * thoughtf1x really really really needs his n810 back Dec 23 07:22:00 Night all. Dec 23 07:28:19 what about xterm in os2008 (n800) does it work? Dec 23 07:28:39 it is built in Dec 23 07:29:11 chrisak: using the nokia as a phonebook? Dec 23 07:29:13 alnr: see gronmeyer in the topic Dec 23 07:29:51 dragorn: last i checked skype uses its own contacts database Dec 23 07:30:10 which i believe is stored @skype, so all apps that access a given account share a single contacts list Dec 23 07:30:22 timelyx: yes. Ah, I see what they were saying. Dec 23 07:30:43 timelyx: A friend was looking to use the nokia BT tethered to a phone as a dialer Dec 23 07:30:55 timelyx: which I haven't seen functionality for Dec 23 07:31:05 alnr: so, this url only works if you install a .deb of mine Dec 23 07:31:07 http://mxr.maemo.org/chinook/find?string=hcitool Dec 23 07:31:18 /bluez-utils-3.20/tools/hcitool.c Dec 23 07:31:18 /bluez-utils-3.20/tools/hcitool.1 Dec 23 07:31:25 but it says that hcitool is part of bluez-utils Dec 23 07:31:29 and is in chinook Dec 23 07:31:43 timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 07:31:45 would be the deb Dec 23 07:32:01 http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/find?string=hcitool Dec 23 07:32:12 is the public equivalent url if you would rather not hack dns Dec 23 07:32:42 tryin to keep up Dec 23 07:33:03 what about everything else in os2008 (on n800) does everything works? Is it much slower? at least it's bigger Dec 23 07:33:36 hahlo, it shouldn't be much slower atleast since it overclocks the processor from 340 to 400MHz Dec 23 07:34:51 well Dec 23 07:34:54 ok and is still stable even overclocked Dec 23 07:35:00 supposedly, it was 400mhz and underclocked for 320 Dec 23 07:35:20 os2008 optomized stuff so it did not need to be underclocked. Or something. Dec 23 07:35:58 sounds good Dec 23 07:36:19 power management of sort (specifically dynamic clock speed changing) was implemented in the kernel Dec 23 07:36:25 note that it's never running 400mhz continuously Dec 23 07:36:38 from my understanding in order to talk to video it has to drop the clock for a bit Dec 23 07:36:50 but it does mean that apps can use 400mhz Dec 23 07:37:24 alnr: anyway,you're looking for bluez-utils, which is in chinook Dec 23 07:37:36 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/b/bluez-utils/ Dec 23 07:37:39 would be the path Dec 23 07:37:49 but application manager should find it for you Dec 23 07:38:17 if you want to use my repository instead of the official ones, installl this deb: Dec 23 07:38:17 timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 07:38:18 timelyx: k, looking for bluez-utils on gronmayer chinook Dec 23 07:38:48 alnr: note that i'm cheating, since i have a clone of the repository, i just did find in it Dec 23 07:39:03 but my personal opinion is that people should use gronmeyer for such searches :) Dec 23 07:39:07 i dont see bluz yet Dec 23 07:39:12 bluez, not bluz Dec 23 07:39:21 bluez i mean Dec 23 07:39:43 wfm Dec 23 07:39:56 'search in repositories' Dec 23 07:39:58 i loaded http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 Dec 23 07:40:08 and enter "bluez-utils" in search in repositories Dec 23 07:40:14 and got exactly what i expected Dec 23 07:40:23 wow Dec 23 07:40:27 never knew about that site Dec 23 07:40:33 my new fav IT site Dec 23 07:40:36 truent: we keep it in the topic :) Dec 23 07:40:41 now you know :) Dec 23 07:40:42 thoughtf1x, you now take a backseat ;p Dec 23 07:40:47 heh Dec 23 07:40:47 timelyx: ah search found it Dec 23 07:41:21 does rd-mode also work in os2008? Dec 23 07:41:24 yes Dec 23 07:41:35 in fact rd-mode isn't forgotten if you reflash Dec 23 07:41:41 but personal i abhor it :) Dec 23 07:41:47 I do what? Dec 23 07:41:48 Sorry Dec 23 07:41:50 I wandered off Dec 23 07:42:00 if you aren't a kernel hacker, then imo you shouldn't need rd-mode :) Dec 23 07:42:10 thoughtf1x, just sayin your site takes a backseat to my new fav.. gronmayer.com ;p Dec 23 07:42:37 thoughtf1x: it's ok, you're good for advertising, but for sustaining, gronmeyer's more important :) Dec 23 07:42:42 Hehe Dec 23 07:42:45 but you see some boottext with rd :) Dec 23 07:42:49 thoughtf1x, you ever get your bluetooth pan workin the way you wanted? Dec 23 07:42:55 Nope! Dec 23 07:43:01 Gave up on WinMo devices Dec 23 07:43:11 hahlo: yeah, and whenever i see that, i make the person who enabled it turn it off :) Dec 23 07:43:22 My site is for in-depth stuff Dec 23 07:43:32 i made an alright lil ruby program for os2007.. but all that was turned upside down with os2008.. Dec 23 07:43:36 gotta rewrite it Dec 23 07:43:46 10 minute demo on the video converter - not just a link to it ;) Dec 23 07:43:48 * timelyx prefers software that doesn't require porting Dec 23 07:43:58 thoughtf1x =~ s/not/now/ Dec 23 07:44:12 hrm, or not? Dec 23 07:44:19 * timelyx decides perhaps sleep might be in order Dec 23 07:44:28 * timelyx just finished reading Runaway Jury Dec 23 07:44:37 I was unaware of that site too. Bookmarking for a later article Dec 23 07:44:40 and just in time too, because my dvr is scheduled to record the movie :) Dec 23 07:44:43 then everything should be better in os2008 Dec 23 07:44:46 thoughtf1x, ;P Dec 23 07:45:11 thoughtf1x: think rpmfind.net for maemo debs Dec 23 07:45:22 if i could get chinook-sdk to fully download and install i'd be halfway through writing a bluetooth pan program already ;p Dec 23 07:45:34 hmm i'm getting gzip error on those catalogs (chinook and extras) on the install of chinook Dec 23 07:45:39 truent: is this the nokia.com image or the apt stuff? Dec 23 07:45:49 apt Dec 23 07:45:51 alnr: try installing my deb first and refresh Dec 23 07:45:54 running the script Dec 23 07:45:56 same to oyu truent Dec 23 07:46:08 timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 07:46:13 Get:130 http://repository.maemo.org chinook/free libssl0.9.7 0.9.7e-4.osso2+3sarge3.osso5 [2013kB] Dec 23 07:46:14 etc Dec 23 07:46:16 okie Dec 23 07:46:32 note that it hijacks dns for repository, and i'm not guaranteeing updates Dec 23 07:47:02 but hopefully it'll have enough to get you setup today Dec 23 07:47:08 at which point you're free to uninstall the package Dec 23 07:47:38 k when/if this sdk install fails im with it Dec 23 07:47:52 + wget -O repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook-beta/free/a/acl/acl_2.2.23-1.dsc 'repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook-beta/free/a/acl/acl_2.2.23-1.dsc?hjk' Dec 23 07:48:00 23:45:22 ERROR 404: Not Found. Dec 23 07:48:01 * timelyx cries Dec 23 07:48:17 heh Dec 23 07:48:17 and just when i was getting to the good stuff Dec 23 07:48:24 not the ?hjk Dec 23 07:48:33 that was intended to force the server not to lie to me Dec 23 07:48:37 it doesn't seem to work forever Dec 23 07:48:59 and now i have lots and lots and lots of failures after that :( Dec 23 07:49:09 i just want the sdk and i wont download from you for a while maemo.org, i promise ;) Dec 23 07:49:50 * timelyx frowns Dec 23 07:49:58 * timelyx has no idea how relevant these files are to the repo Dec 23 07:50:14 things in chinook-beta obviously aren't very important, but... Dec 23 07:50:58 seperate server? Dec 23 07:51:10 unrelated repository for a beta product Dec 23 07:51:15 which no one should be using :| Dec 23 07:51:18 nice Dec 23 07:51:20 all from the same "server" Dec 23 07:51:33 but my original attempt at mirroring collected it too, and i haven't deleted it yet Dec 23 07:51:42 i put on that dns package but i still get failed catalog with a gzip error, on installing chinook Dec 23 07:52:10 alnr: which catalog? (tools>log ?) seems unlikely, since i'm pretty sure people have been happy Dec 23 07:52:55 it shows me 'maemo extras' and 'maemo chinook' as the failed catalogs Dec 23 07:53:32 expanding either one says 'sub process gzip returned an error code(1) Dec 23 07:54:15 hrm, Dec 23 07:54:18 open your web browser Dec 23 07:54:31 load http://repository.maemo.org/jhkhk Dec 23 07:54:34 what do you get? Dec 23 07:55:45 404 Dec 23 07:55:50 what's it say? Dec 23 07:56:04 unless it says "Sorry, I can't find that file ", you aren't using my server :| Dec 23 07:56:15 the url /jkhkh not found on this server Dec 23 07:57:07 hrm, one sec Dec 23 07:59:00 odd Dec 23 07:59:34 anyone tried using a bluetooth keyboard on OS2008 on the N800? Dec 23 07:59:35 yes, if you don't see Sorry, ... it isn't me Dec 23 07:59:54 ds3: i've used a couple at work, they seem to just work Dec 23 08:00:05 logitech/microsoft/nokia Dec 23 08:00:18 cool, wanted to confirm just in case it conflicts with the 810 kb support Dec 23 08:00:42 alnr: hrm... Dec 23 08:01:10 does it still require that daemon/package like on OS2006? Dec 23 08:01:12 Unpacking replacement repository-maemo-org-dns ... Dec 23 08:01:12 Could not find repository.maemo.org in /etc/hosts Dec 23 08:01:31 err there was no /etc/hosts Dec 23 08:01:35 so i touch'd it Dec 23 08:01:43 oh, ok, i'm an idiot Dec 23 08:01:45 now theres 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org Dec 23 08:01:45 wait Dec 23 08:01:51 hrm, or rather, "that's bad" Dec 23 08:01:57 there's always supposed to be a /etc/hosts Dec 23 08:02:05 hence the sanity check Dec 23 08:02:06 scratchbox mind you Dec 23 08:02:12 oh, scratchbox! Dec 23 08:02:17 ok, that case is so unexpected :) Dec 23 08:02:21 ;p Dec 23 08:03:26 im guessing scratchbox still uses the systemwide /etc/hosts? Dec 23 08:03:31 no Dec 23 08:03:40 it really uses whatever is in its local /etc/hosts Dec 23 08:03:52 ok then i just created that Dec 23 08:03:56 and similar for nsswitch.conf or whatever Dec 23 08:04:08 * timelyx tries to figure out what to do w/ this edge case Dec 23 08:04:21 how would i test to see if im using your repo or not Dec 23 08:04:29 is OS2008 the recommended OS for someone going to an 800 from a 770? Dec 23 08:06:23 repositories still broken!? HMG Dec 23 08:06:49 gpd: it's christmas :) Dec 23 08:07:15 timelyx, i think im getting em from ya.. you sure you have all these? Dec 23 08:07:20 timelyx: exactly - the only time i get to play with gadgets - and i can't install stuff :( Dec 23 08:07:26 gpd: you can try my deb Dec 23 08:07:36 truent: not sure, but i get logs for everything that's missing Dec 23 08:08:00 truent: at some point, i'll make a button something like Dec 23 08:08:13 repository.maemo.org/_something_was_missing_ Dec 23 08:08:25 nice Dec 23 08:08:30 and have that script browse through its logs and automatically try to collect the backing files from the repo :) Dec 23 08:08:33 but not now Dec 23 08:08:47 first i want to fix your scratchbox case Dec 23 08:08:51 which means thinking about umask Dec 23 08:09:05 at its not me. going to the url ...packages.gz says the service is temporarily unavailable Dec 23 08:09:23 alnr: url? Dec 23 08:09:33 http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz Dec 23 08:09:40 im downloading now.. i have the 66.33.212.254 alias for repository.maemo.org.. im guessing thats you ;p Dec 23 08:09:50 yeah, it's dreamhost Dec 23 08:10:03 alnr: my repo seems to have that file, no problem Dec 23 08:10:16 it's big and pretty Dec 23 08:10:23 timelyx: i'm looking back up the log - but what is 'your deb'? Dec 23 08:10:33 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/ Dec 23 08:10:38 timelyx: the url shows up in the browser directory (on my pc now) but taking the link gives that error Dec 23 08:10:42 pick the dns ones Dec 23 08:11:13 alnr: i'm using http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 08:11:22 if you're on a pc, you can do the equivalent Dec 23 08:11:41 sudo echo 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts Dec 23 08:11:57 you'll want to remove the line at some point Dec 23 08:12:05 oh k let me try that Dec 23 08:12:15 timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 08:12:15 the package is of course "better" in that it reminds you you've hacked it Dec 23 08:12:19 and lets you uninstall it Dec 23 08:12:27 E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing? Dec 23 08:12:27 E: Unable to install maemo-sdk-dev on CHINOOK_X86 target. Dec 23 08:12:27 E: Please check the sources.list for errors. Dec 23 08:12:41 newp same error.. bunch of "Size mismatch" errors Dec 23 08:12:42 truent: um Dec 23 08:12:52 hold on Dec 23 08:13:26 will do Dec 23 08:13:37 i don't see any error or access logs since me Dec 23 08:13:47 * timelyx ponders Dec 23 08:13:52 hang on lemme try your "Sorry," deal Dec 23 08:13:58 yeah :) Dec 23 08:14:04 i'm trying to think about how you can do that Dec 23 08:14:11 since um... afaiu you don't have a web browser :) Dec 23 08:14:19 timelyx: is this deb a special treat for people that moan - ie it bricks your device or similar ;) Dec 23 08:14:44 fook Dec 23 08:14:47 gpd: the first version of any deb i write is 100% untested Dec 23 08:14:52 HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found Dec 23 08:14:52 00:14:29 ERROR 404: Not Found. Dec 23 08:14:53 One have to flash os2008? Or does it comes with apt-get upgrade? Dec 23 08:15:05 hahlo: flash Dec 23 08:15:13 looks like scratchbox isnt minding the local /etc/hosts Dec 23 08:15:17 now i get the sorry,, Dec 23 08:15:27 Resolving repository.maemo.org... 208.46.174.96, 208.46.174.83 Dec 23 08:15:27 Connecting to repository.maemo.org[208.46.174.96]:80... connected. Dec 23 08:15:30 maybe someday, in fact, i believe it's officially on the roadmap Dec 23 08:15:31 notice the ip Dec 23 08:15:37 truent: *nod* Dec 23 08:15:40 ok um... Dec 23 08:15:43 * timelyx ponders Dec 23 08:15:45 timelyx: what image I shoulr use, will flasher 3.0 work? Dec 23 08:15:46 well, um... Dec 23 08:16:04 hahlo: the proper 2008 n800 / n810 image and yes flasher3 Dec 23 08:16:09 but no, i'm not a flasher expert Dec 23 08:16:13 * timelyx tends to use the windows flasher :) Dec 23 08:16:28 oh Dec 23 08:16:31 which doesn't mean i don't know the flasher3 args or haven't abused a number of them Dec 23 08:16:38 it's just that i don't want you to think i'm an expert Dec 23 08:17:11 truent: well, oh, one sec Dec 23 08:17:14 timelyx: it seems you are a genius - i just installed maemo-mapper! Dec 23 08:17:34 truent: try looking at /etc/nsswitch.conf Dec 23 08:17:47 [sanjay]$ grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf Dec 23 08:17:47 hosts: files dns Dec 23 08:17:52 what does yours say in scratchbox? Dec 23 08:18:02 same thing Dec 23 08:18:06 hosts: files dns Dec 23 08:18:11 * timelyx gives up Dec 23 08:18:16 lol hang on Dec 23 08:18:18 feel free to try changing the global one Dec 23 08:18:25 the other thing you can do if you like fighting app Dec 23 08:18:30 there's an apt.conf.d Dec 23 08:18:30 tried that.. works on my comp.. but not scratchbox Dec 23 08:18:39 i've done all sorts of evil stuff there :) Dec 23 08:18:39 hang on.. theres no /etc/hosts file now in sbox Dec 23 08:19:25 timelyx: progress, this time app mgr didnt barf on installing chinook. but, i dont see bluez* in the installable apps Dec 23 08:19:26 * timelyx shrugs Dec 23 08:19:38 alnr: probably time to enable red pill mode Dec 23 08:19:55 google will find it, but if you're tired, ask, someone here will talk you through it Dec 23 08:20:27 matrix, hehe Dec 23 08:21:00 marius deserves massive props for that one :) Dec 23 08:23:11 timelyx: just one more question, do you know kate? Dec 23 08:23:12 i see bluez-hcidump now :) Dec 23 08:23:29 alnr, does that work in os2008? Dec 23 08:24:01 i have only just gotten it into app manager Dec 23 08:25:00 darn it doesnt have hcitool, just hcidump Dec 23 08:25:45 alnr: it's in bluez-utils Dec 23 08:27:01 yeah in os2007 i had my PAN device connector thingie scan for devices.. no hcitool in os2008 Dec 23 08:27:02 that got installed, i guess from installing bluez-hcidump, but hci does not find hcitool Dec 23 08:27:15 hrm Dec 23 08:27:39 bluez-utils-test ? Dec 23 08:28:06 sorry, the thing i'm using right now tells me which source package contains files Dec 23 08:28:11 not which binary package :) Dec 23 08:28:34 bluez is unfortunately well designed, so hcitool is probably in test where it belongs :) Dec 23 08:28:38 timelyx: thank you! :D Dec 23 08:28:40 silly well designed packages Dec 23 08:29:31 i dont have bluez-util-test, is that from chinook? Dec 23 08:30:05 um Dec 23 08:30:19 it's in bora, and herring Dec 23 08:30:22 * timelyx waits for chinook Dec 23 08:30:41 timelyx, harder than i thought to change the repo for a scratchbox / sdk install.. but i gotcha for the normal stuff ;p Dec 23 08:30:45 err bluez-utils-test Dec 23 08:31:14 alnr: ok, odd, i don't see bluez-utils-test in chinook Dec 23 08:31:19 no idea why Dec 23 08:31:44 got it from boar Dec 23 08:31:46 bora Dec 23 08:31:50 yeah Dec 23 08:32:08 keep in mind that having bora in your enabled list is considered /somewhat/ risky Dec 23 08:32:24 that said, as long as you disable it before you do anything really exciting, you should be fine Dec 23 08:32:28 spoke too soon, could not install, missing bluez-utils Dec 23 08:32:34 err Dec 23 08:32:37 i thought you installed that Dec 23 08:33:18 i did :( it is in the installed view Dec 23 08:34:20 well after all that (a completely fresh os2008 install) i am still getting loss of connectivity to my iblue 737 every few minutes... ugh Dec 23 08:34:49 gpd: no!!! i was just about to buy that gps Dec 23 08:34:56 "red pill mode" (n): A way for noobs to break their device with a stylus Dec 23 08:35:05 pupnik_: yes! Dec 23 08:35:14 truent: it was absolutely fine in 2007 Dec 23 08:35:20 hmm it wants 3.9 ...51 but chinook put on 3.22.... Dec 23 08:35:21 heh Dec 23 08:35:26 but in the beta and 50-2 it keeps dropping out Dec 23 08:35:47 gpd: did you file a bug while using the beta? :( Dec 23 08:35:54 Hi! Dec 23 08:36:10 hrmph.. heres hopin they fix it cuz thats the one i wanted ;p Dec 23 08:36:11 no - i had exams until last week : Dec 23 08:37:01 oh sure, exams are much more important than helping a product you're going to use for a year :) Dec 23 08:38:50 anyway, browse through the bt bugs Dec 23 08:39:04 heh i think i remember reading one of the developers of mapper used that one so i figured there couldnt be any probs with that one ;p Dec 23 08:39:39 truent: i think the 757 is more common - but mine has been fine too Dec 23 08:40:29 like 50-60 bucks right? Dec 23 08:41:39 hrm, the bt bugs don't have any helpful steps (run x to get me logs) Dec 23 08:42:04 * ol_schoola_ bolts upright Dec 23 08:42:15 i installed syslog/klogd in my previous install but no messages Dec 23 08:42:27 bejeezus that was a hyelluva lightning strike Dec 23 08:42:57 * timelyx sees someone tried installing canola Dec 23 08:43:09 besides me? Dec 23 08:43:13 i just did - it worked Dec 23 08:43:21 sounds like it was gpd :) Dec 23 08:43:31 you didn't tell us your deb was spyware Dec 23 08:43:52 i told some people i'd offer a button you could push to ask it to fix itself Dec 23 08:44:06 how do you expect it to fix itself if it doesn't remember what was wrong? :) Dec 23 08:44:25 ooh ooh ooh, free East buttons! Dec 23 08:44:27 that's the only thing i intend to do w/ the logs... Dec 23 08:44:34 Easy Dec 23 08:44:53 not 100% certain how i want to do that Dec 23 08:45:04 truent: so we still don't understand scratchbox? Dec 23 08:46:09 truent: supposedly there's /scratcbox/etc/ Dec 23 08:46:11 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-6332.html Dec 23 08:46:31 truent: if that works, let me know Dec 23 08:46:37 i can easily make my debs deal w/ that case Dec 23 08:48:16 yeah i'll try it in a sec Dec 23 09:05:40 IIIIIIIIIIIIII WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT THAT MY DIIIIIIIISSSSSCCCCCCCCCOUUUUUUUUNTTTTTTTTT IS ACTIVAAAAAATEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Dec 23 09:06:17 Khertan: maybe after christmas Dec 23 09:06:47 http://getfirefox.jp/video/gallery/366e/ Dec 23 09:07:01 pupnik: or new year ... :) Dec 23 09:07:11 or the week after ... Dec 23 09:07:14 2008 will be very bad for me Dec 23 09:07:25 why ? Dec 23 09:07:42 bills begin to come due Dec 23 09:07:50 credit card expires Dec 23 09:07:53 etc Dec 23 09:08:11 but it's not in my control Dec 23 09:08:17 the state is in control Dec 23 09:09:29 * timelyx pokes truent Dec 23 09:12:41 * Khertan fails to read itt ... to many same posts about people which say ... gnagnagna don't install .... Dec 23 09:13:09 * Khertan is going to supermarket ... Dec 23 09:18:33 any update on r.m.o? Dec 23 09:19:26 FunkyPenguin: it's still somewhat flaky Dec 23 09:19:42 i have an alternate trimmed r.m.o knock off you can try using if you feel like it Dec 23 09:20:00 boohoo, im only bitching coz i want to get canola Dec 23 09:20:09 i uninstalled v1 and cant get it back Dec 23 09:20:13 i know two people who have used mine to get canola :) Dec 23 09:20:32 timelyx: ooh, yes please in that case :) Dec 23 09:21:30 infobot repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 09:21:30 timelyx: okay Dec 23 09:21:47 infobot mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 09:21:48 okay, timelyx Dec 23 09:21:54 * timelyx prods truent Dec 23 09:22:34 great Dec 23 09:22:43 * timelyx wonders why the bookmark importer can't handle google bookmarks Dec 23 09:24:34 * timelyx sighs Dec 23 09:24:41 I can't seem to find zip/unzip to look in the backup files Dec 23 09:24:42 it'd really suck if this importer is really *this* stupid Dec 23 09:24:50 gpd: not included :) Dec 23 09:24:59 handy Dec 23 09:25:13 gronmeyer says extras-devel Dec 23 09:25:33 timelyx: do i install ^^ and then im good to go? Dec 23 09:25:40 FunkyPenguin: yeah Dec 23 09:26:03 FunkyPenguin: you may want to uninstall once you're done, that should work too :) Dec 23 09:26:26 sahweet thanks. i owe you a stiff drink :) Dec 23 09:26:47 * timelyx doens't drink but does collect pizza Dec 23 09:26:52 will code for pizza? Dec 23 09:27:23 what kind of battery life are N810 users seeing? Dec 23 09:27:25 even better, pizza is cheaper than drink Dec 23 09:27:50 pupnik: better than my cell phone :) Dec 23 09:28:00 * timelyx has finally decided what's killing cell phone life Dec 23 09:28:18 and it wasn't the n810 :) Dec 23 09:28:26 hrm Dec 23 09:28:30 pizzzzzaaaaaaaa Dec 23 09:29:55 * timelyx sighs Dec 23 09:30:10 anyone here ever seen a high score board written using a proportional font? Dec 23 09:30:17 you know, so Dec 23 09:30:20 111111 Dec 23 09:30:22 99999 Dec 23 09:30:27 the second score looks longer :) Dec 23 09:31:34 * timelyx has rank 2 in one of these games :) Dec 23 09:32:17 * timelyx rotfl Dec 23 09:32:26 #4 in one of these games has a negative score Dec 23 09:32:53 and in another, 3/4 people have negative scores :) Dec 23 09:35:16 Morning, all Dec 23 09:35:36 timelyx: did you go to bed at any point, or have I been lazy? Dec 23 09:35:59 no Dec 23 09:38:03 timelyx: should I bet able to get wget using your magic deb? Dec 23 09:38:37 gpd: yes... Dec 23 09:38:41 oh Dec 23 09:38:46 hold on, i'd think so Dec 23 09:39:00 * timelyx asks gronmeyer Dec 23 09:39:02 apt-cache search says 'no thanks' Dec 23 09:39:09 it claims it's in chinook Dec 23 09:39:13 but gronmeyer says it should be in chinook Dec 23 09:39:46 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/w/wget/ Dec 23 09:39:49 it seems to be there Dec 23 09:40:39 oh, whacky Dec 23 09:40:42 http://repository.maemo.org/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/Packages Dec 23 09:40:47 Package: wget Dec 23 09:40:50 Filename: pool/maemo4.0/free/w/wget/wget_1.10.2-2osso2_armel.deb Dec 23 09:41:15 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/w/wget/ Dec 23 09:41:19 yeah, that's there too Dec 23 09:42:19 try apt-get update ? Dec 23 09:42:26 * timelyx isn't sure where the apt cache is Dec 23 09:42:44 hrm Dec 23 09:42:53 that's odd Dec 23 09:43:00 there's no index.html file in that directory Dec 23 09:44:14 oh! Dec 23 09:44:16 * timelyx chuckles Dec 23 09:44:17 there is Dec 23 09:44:33 ok, here's another rather evil way to figure out if you're using my repository or not Dec 23 09:44:43 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/w/wget/index.html Dec 23 09:44:49 add index.html to a path Dec 23 09:44:56 if it works, you're talking to a clone Dec 23 09:45:05 if it 404's, you're definitely not talking to mine :) Dec 23 09:45:17 * timelyx frowns Dec 23 09:45:46 * pupnik frown too Dec 23 09:46:50 Package wget is not available, but is referred to by another package. Dec 23 09:47:22 forgetaboutit... Dec 23 09:48:19 i really want to know what's wrong Dec 23 09:51:22 ok Dec 23 09:51:28 this importer is really lame Dec 23 10:02:55 Anyone got the original /home/user/.bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml somewhere? Dec 23 10:03:32 anyone knows when the repos problem will be solved? Dec 23 10:04:08 jaffa: see other window Dec 23 10:04:21 hugolp: only an expert tea leaf reader Dec 23 10:04:27 you could be the one, start practicing Dec 23 10:04:29 i prefer goat entrails Dec 23 10:04:38 those cost more Dec 23 10:04:46 timelyx: I didint get anything you said Dec 23 10:05:16 http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/tealeaves/tealeaves.html Dec 23 10:06:15 ... really bad movies (anything on USA Network). Dec 23 10:06:17 * timelyx rotfl Dec 23 10:06:21 * timelyx misses usa network Dec 23 10:08:05 http://www.soyouwanna.com/site/syws/tealeaves/tealeavesfull.html Dec 23 10:08:07 is better Dec 23 10:11:14 yeah, sounds like that'll get you started Dec 23 10:11:20 just search for numbers in the tea leaves Dec 23 10:30:41 times to make an enemy territory party .... Dec 23 10:30:55 scorched3d Dec 23 10:31:09 193.27.10.4 if u want to join me on the same server ... Dec 23 10:32:19 hum ... noone on the server Dec 23 10:32:28 so join me on et.clan-life.com Dec 23 10:33:38 i'm still amazed how they managed to take a perfect online game like rtcw and turn it to a mess like the et Dec 23 10:35:30 any news on the broken debs? Dec 23 10:36:06 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 23 10:36:07 methinks repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 10:36:18 cymacs: no news, you're free to try that deb Dec 23 10:37:54 timelyx: sounds like it mangles the dns lookup to make it point to a working mirror? Dec 23 10:38:25 is there anything that i can use on my host machine to let me setup scratchbox now? Dec 23 10:39:15 cymacs: if you can work w/ me in testing, we can try to make the deb handle scratchbox Dec 23 10:39:25 i think the file you'd need to change is /scratchbox/etc/hosts Dec 23 10:39:35 if changing that works, let me know and i can improve the deb Dec 23 10:41:30 i'm trying to get bt pan internet connection to a wm6 phone on my n800/os2007. the first problems i have with scripts liks fanoush is 1) the insmod path doesnt exist. 2nd problem is the pand --connect doesnt do anything (pand --show shows no connection). any ideas? Dec 23 10:42:31 alnr: from what i've seen very few people have any experience w/ pand Dec 23 10:53:25 * timelyx pokes cymacs Dec 23 10:53:28 * timelyx pokes Jaffa Dec 23 10:53:41 timelyx: the sb installer downloads now Dec 23 10:54:26 seems like this will be a merry christmas after all Dec 23 10:57:57 cymacs: from normal or mine? Dec 23 10:58:41 timelyx: when adding the extra line to /scratchbox/etc/hosts Dec 23 10:58:48 ok, cool Dec 23 10:58:55 now i just need to fix my deb to deal w/ that Dec 23 10:59:44 timelyx: it doesn't fully succeed though: http://pastebin.ca/829675 Dec 23 11:00:35 cymacs: ok, i'll use that list to try to get those files. thanks Dec 23 11:02:02 hello :) Dec 23 11:02:15 is it possible to change symbols on onscreen keyboard ? :) Dec 23 11:02:24 I want to change plus on minus :/ Dec 23 11:02:32 cymacs: ok, those files are coming in now Dec 23 11:02:36 plus more usefull for websurfing Dec 23 11:02:42 serfing :/ Dec 23 11:02:52 Xxaxx: the en-US and en-GB key layouts are different Dec 23 11:02:53 try both Dec 23 11:03:03 timelyx: ah, interesting, thanks Dec 23 11:03:07 in theory you can build your own (a few reportedly exist) Dec 23 11:03:35 cymacs: thanks, that list is now coming in, file at a time Dec 23 11:03:41 * timelyx goes back to the /scratchbox issue Dec 23 11:04:00 yeah!! en_GB with minus :) Dec 23 11:04:07 thanks a lot :) Dec 23 11:04:24 why is it so difficult to install canola2 on my 770 Dec 23 11:04:42 trying to install the 'base repository' gives an operation failed Dec 23 11:05:02 amr: what os? Dec 23 11:05:02 so i added the repository.maemo.org bore free non-free on to my tablet Dec 23 11:05:09 whatever the latest 2006os is Dec 23 11:05:14 timelyx: great, i'll continue with my sb/maemo setup after a shower and report any more missing packages Dec 23 11:05:14 gregale? Dec 23 11:05:15 bora is 2007 Dec 23 11:05:25 well the problem is its not showing up anyway Dec 23 11:05:37 in the base-repository.install it says bora Dec 23 11:05:38 and it's bora, not bore :) Dec 23 11:05:45 i meant bora :p Dec 23 11:05:57 typos are common/possible/signfiicant Dec 23 11:06:01 * timelyx makes enough of them Dec 23 11:06:22 i have no idea how to get canola on here now :| Dec 23 11:07:00 there indeed is no canola that i can find in the normal places Dec 23 11:07:02 http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo2 Dec 23 11:07:09 claims you can add openbossa to get /a/ canola Dec 23 11:07:19 cymacs: getting complete, thanks Dec 23 11:07:27 hmm Dec 23 11:07:33 i'm looking at the canola2 homepage Dec 23 11:07:45 http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/install.html Dec 23 11:07:56 both of the 'install' links do nothing Dec 23 11:07:59 http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola2/install.html Dec 23 11:08:06 installing the 'base repo' gives operation failed Dec 23 11:08:06 For Nokia 770 Owners (coming soon): Dec 23 11:08:06 - Nokia ITOS 2006 - Gregale Dec 23 11:08:06 - Nokia 770 with HE edition Dec 23 11:08:11 oh son of a .. Dec 23 11:08:16 how did i miss that Dec 23 11:08:18 thanks Dec 23 11:08:27 Canola works on almost all available Internet Tablets. Please ensure you have a pre-requisite and supported OS version on your Tablet. More Dec 23 11:08:50 whats the name of the latest os2006, gregale? Dec 23 11:09:08 mistral? Dec 23 11:09:18 no, its gregale hah Dec 23 11:09:20 btw does anyone knows when advanced xterm will be available? Dec 23 11:09:28 http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/8/ Dec 23 11:09:35 # Dec 23 11:09:35 # 2.2 - 3.2006.49-2 gregale Dec 23 11:09:50 advanced xterm? Dec 23 11:10:06 yeah, like xterm from maemo-hackers for os2007 Dec 23 11:10:43 http://www.maemo-hackers.org/wiki/OssoXterm Dec 23 11:10:45 Xxaxx: I think you can build that from garage yourself.. Not the most convenient way though.. Dec 23 11:11:58 kulve: yeah, I can code new os, no problem :) Dec 23 11:12:06 ;) Dec 23 11:13:25 btw, I was trying to install Garnet VM on 2008(N800) without luck, some problems with dependences, need two libraries Dec 23 11:15:18 need hildon-fm1/hildon-libs0/libdbus-1-2 for Garnet VM Dec 23 11:15:24 where can I get them? Dec 23 11:16:32 those sounds like 2007 libs Dec 23 11:17:08 but I see Garnet VM link on 2008 site Dec 23 11:19:26 hi all, i am newbie to N800, got one yesterday, have installed a few apps but i cant get maemomapper working Dec 23 11:19:51 i went to the downlaod section on this site and it said fie is corruput when it was installing Dec 23 11:20:13 http://tableteer.nokia.com/tableteer/os2008/feat_garnetvm.xhtml Dec 23 11:20:18 Garnet VM link Dec 23 11:20:21 you might need 2x the file size free space freefood Dec 23 11:20:46 umm i put in a 2gb stick yesterday Dec 23 11:21:21 i saved the 2 files on my taablet in the games folder wnd tehn tried rumn them and it said part of file missing Dec 23 11:23:10 just reading on tablettalk and it says it could be something to do with server overload on maemo Dec 23 11:23:45 ahrhm Dec 23 11:26:45 does other manufacturer phones connect with n800? Dec 23 11:27:44 yeah Dec 23 11:28:26 ok, some rea on it didn't accept wince Dec 23 11:28:41 reason Dec 23 11:32:44 cymacs: ok, i've made a new deb, can you try it? Dec 23 11:33:56 timelyx: sure, same address? Dec 23 11:35:57 yeah Dec 23 11:40:27 just tried to install Canola2 and it says some application packages required are missing?? Dec 23 11:40:37 anyone know what im doing wrong? Dec 23 11:40:47 freefood: relying on the official servers :) Dec 23 11:40:51 timelyx: fails to install on host system with /var/lib/dpkg/info/repository-maemo-org-dns.postinst: 25: Syntax error: "(" unexpected (expecting "fi") Dec 23 11:41:01 freefood: please wait 5 mins Dec 23 11:41:06 cymacs: looking Dec 23 11:41:10 is that why nameomapper isnt working too? Dec 23 11:41:16 and ive no problem waiting Dec 23 11:41:17 yes Dec 23 11:41:20 cheers Dec 23 11:41:38 i get different error message with mapper though, file is corrupt Dec 23 11:42:35 cymacs: try again Dec 23 11:42:52 freefood: the general problem is the repository has missing files w/ various interesting errors Dec 23 11:42:59 don't worry, just wait a bit Dec 23 11:43:26 lol cool all i wanted to know was it me not doing something right Dec 23 11:43:51 * timelyx busy waits on cymacs Dec 23 11:44:49 timelyx: seems to work now Dec 23 11:45:03 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 23 11:45:04 somebody said repository.maemo.org deb was unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 11:45:08 freefood: try that Dec 23 11:45:22 timelyx: it's very intelligent, i'll ditch my own modification to make it add it itself Dec 23 11:45:23 cymacs: thanks for helping :) Dec 23 11:46:02 cymacs: :), yeah, i try to grow intelligence into my scripts Dec 23 11:46:11 sadly, they go through many iterations Dec 23 11:46:20 timelyx: confirming that it also works without an entry Dec 23 11:46:45 :) Dec 23 11:47:05 ok, so, just let me know when there are files that don't turn up or turn up corrupt Dec 23 11:47:48 timelyx: yeah, i'm redoing the maemo installation now, i think it got broken in the first run before you added the files Dec 23 11:48:48 anyone around? Dec 23 11:48:55 no Dec 23 11:48:59 ok Dec 23 11:49:04 good to hear :-) Dec 23 11:49:34 can someone udp ping / nmap -sU me Dec 23 11:49:49 somehow openvpn isnt working anymore Dec 23 11:49:51 ToS forbids :) Dec 23 11:49:59 damn Dec 23 11:50:11 btw, really? Dec 23 11:50:25 silly tos Dec 23 11:50:26 not sure, but i'm sure i don't want to find out i'm wrong Dec 23 11:50:36 i understand Dec 23 11:50:51 hmmm Dec 23 11:51:09 maybe i can grab wifi signal Dec 23 11:51:11 http://www.elisa.com/english/ Dec 23 11:51:16 * timelyx can't even find anything relevant Dec 23 11:51:44 http://www.elisa.com/english/index.cfm?t=6&o=7100.00 Dec 23 11:51:48 no wonder Dec 23 11:52:06 the latency on finger phones is real bad Dec 23 11:52:16 esp when using an acoustic coupler Dec 23 11:53:39 never mind Dec 23 11:53:44 got it back Dec 23 11:54:06 openwrt is a bit too smart Dec 23 11:55:37 i used to be able to make openvpn connections to my dyndns fwded to my desktop even from within my home network, it would go outside and come back Dec 23 11:56:22 now i need a separate config for the local network Dec 23 11:56:46 timellyx what is that file you linked to for?? Dec 23 11:57:00 well, i should be doing that anyway. Dec 23 11:57:02 freefood: it changes the ip address for the standard repositores Dec 23 11:57:07 s/res/ries/ Dec 23 11:57:07 timelyx meant: freefood: it changes the ip addriess for the standard repositores Dec 23 11:57:35 freefood: the one there is known at least to enable installing canola and maemo-mapper Dec 23 11:57:35 oh dear Dec 23 11:57:35 still wont install for me Dec 23 11:57:43 is that what replaced _monkey? Dec 23 11:57:50 Luria: not exactly Dec 23 11:57:59 infobot existed for a long time next to monkey Dec 23 11:58:03 but most people didn't notice it Dec 23 11:58:28 thats because he doesnt have a _ preceeding his name Dec 23 11:58:28 freefood: os 2007? Dec 23 11:58:44 way down on the channel list Dec 23 11:58:57 yep Dec 23 11:59:05 freefood: k, give me 10mins Dec 23 11:59:12 when i go to that file do i open or save? Dec 23 11:59:16 i just saved Dec 23 11:59:21 sorry opened Dec 23 11:59:24 you'll need to install it at some point Dec 23 11:59:31 either open direct, or save and open later Dec 23 11:59:32 ye i did install it Dec 23 11:59:41 yeah, i saw the logs hence i knew broa Dec 23 11:59:45 bora Dec 23 11:59:47 gimme 10mins Dec 23 11:59:52 btw are these app manager "broken install file" errors me, repos, or bad repo traffic? Dec 23 12:00:06 i still cant get py2.5-runtime Dec 23 12:00:22 or ukmp or a bunch of others Dec 23 12:00:22 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 23 12:00:23 repository.maemo.org deb is probably unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 12:00:25 Luria: try that Dec 23 12:00:33 the official repo has issues Dec 23 12:00:40 ta Dec 23 12:03:09 freefood: ok, some files are coming Dec 23 12:03:35 * timelyx thinks it's time to write the log parser Dec 23 12:04:05 regexes, double your fun, double your problems. Dec 23 12:04:18 Luria: wfm Dec 23 12:04:51 hence the double your fun Dec 23 12:04:54 :-) Dec 23 12:05:01 something for everyone Dec 23 12:05:04 cheers timelx Dec 23 12:07:23 i wish the app manager mentioned which repo a package is coming from Dec 23 12:07:57 freefood: refresh/retry Dec 23 12:08:06 Luria: tools>log doesn't? Dec 23 12:08:29 thanks, downloading a moment Dec 23 12:08:31 i mean in the info window, when browsing Dec 23 12:08:33 touch wood Dec 23 12:08:44 its 9.4mb, its a big one! Dec 23 12:08:51 before you start an install Dec 23 12:09:10 A slight bezel/rounding on the front would make it look a bit slimmer and more elegant http://pupnik.de/pand031207_02_pupnik.jpg Dec 23 12:09:37 yeah i was thinking about that Dec 23 12:09:47 no BT :-/ Dec 23 12:10:02 No N810 :P Dec 23 12:10:24 yeah no bt is kind of bad. Dec 23 12:10:24 I think I'm pregnant. I always feel shit when I wake up in the morning. Dec 23 12:10:34 clean the bed? Dec 23 12:10:34 lol hungover no? Dec 23 12:10:37 Wait .. I'm a guy .. Dec 23 12:10:44 Hah Dec 23 12:11:15 Well .. If Arnie can get pregnant .. Dec 23 12:11:16 you could be pregnant with a healthy growing beer gut? Dec 23 12:11:35 I didn't go out last night. Dec 23 12:11:48 hmmm..... Dec 23 12:12:18 check your fridge to see if any naughty bottles got out then. Dec 23 12:12:25 Heh Dec 23 12:12:34 I don't keep much alcohol at home. Dec 23 12:13:00 In fact, I don't think I've got any at the moment. Dec 23 12:13:13 thats an entirely different problem Dec 23 12:13:25 timelyx you legend, both worked for me Dec 23 12:13:32 and an alternative explination as to why you feel lousy. Dec 23 12:13:34 It's not a problem. I just don't drink at home much :P Dec 23 12:13:59 thanks a million, ill send my sirlfriend around to you Dec 23 12:14:04 :) Dec 23 12:14:08 sigh. not giving me much to work with :-) Dec 23 12:14:40 Sure, I'll take your girlfriend :P Dec 23 12:14:52 * alterego prepares the dungeon. Dec 23 12:14:57 LOL Dec 23 12:15:05 how you know she likes taht? Dec 23 12:15:13 no beer, but a dungeon? Dec 23 12:15:23 Everyone likes a good ole dungeon. Dec 23 12:15:53 i hate this app manager. Dec 23 12:16:07 Which one? Dec 23 12:16:10 timelyx: just two more packages: http://pastebin.ca/829718 Dec 23 12:16:39 the default one Dec 23 12:17:00 I suppose I should flash the new 2008 image that's been sitting on my desktop for the past 4 days. Dec 23 12:17:16 cymacs: fetched Dec 23 12:17:41 alterego: i think at this point my r.m.o clone is good enough to provide a useful install base Dec 23 12:17:53 i wonder if anyone ported aptitude Dec 23 12:18:40 Isn't it written in PyCrap? Dec 23 12:18:49 Oh wait .. iCrap, PyThon Dec 23 12:19:03 I personally have influenced the design of that thing, and none of my suggestions got into N800 or N810 Dec 23 12:20:44 aptitude? in python? Dec 23 12:21:07 Experience with the tablets has been the opposite. pupnik: N770 dpad problematic. nokia: ok, we'll make it worse for N800. pupnik: N800 dpad worse than 770. nokia: ok we'll make it even worse for N810 Dec 23 12:21:55 What don't you like about the d. pad? Dec 23 12:22:13 its hard to pull off a dragon punch Dec 23 12:22:29 heh Dec 23 12:22:39 not usable for fast motion changes, or 8-way Dec 23 12:22:57 pupnik: can you name *any* nokia input methods that support either? Dec 23 12:22:59 which is ok. it just hampers gaming. Dec 23 12:23:09 see. Dec 23 12:23:15 no Dec 23 12:23:31 pupnik: the tablets generally recycle current stock nokia components Dec 23 12:23:39 oh Dec 23 12:23:57 if there aren't good components for a given thing, and the thing isn't a major differentiator for the device, they're not going to use non stock Dec 23 12:24:01 mmk. it's just an unfortunate limitation Dec 23 12:24:05 the differentiator for the tablets is the screen Dec 23 12:24:08 so that's not stock Dec 23 12:24:32 it'd be nice if you could use the dpad for downward scrolling in the browser. Currently it seems to skip from link to link Dec 23 12:24:35 which means it's more expensive Dec 23 12:24:36 i wouldnt mind recycling an n810 xflective screen into my n800... Dec 23 12:24:44 doc|home: either press and hold, or use this deb Dec 23 12:24:45 anyone tried such hackery? Dec 23 12:24:54 http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb Dec 23 12:24:59 timelyx: cool, thanks Dec 23 12:25:22 i have read that the screen is slightly smaller, Luria Dec 23 12:25:39 yeah, screen will be good Dec 23 12:25:44 same screen in 770 and n810 Dec 23 12:25:51 * timelyx is too lazy to go find an n800 Dec 23 12:25:55 they're around /somewhere/ Dec 23 12:25:58 really? Dec 23 12:26:00 same by dimensions, i mean Dec 23 12:26:05 ah Dec 23 12:26:07 ok Dec 23 12:26:12 oh then the website was incorrect . hah. incorrect info on the internet. Dec 23 12:26:19 shocking! Dec 23 12:26:50 i assume the connector is the same Dec 23 12:27:00 that's a different question :) Dec 23 12:27:28 pupnik: my favorite is the nokia pages Dec 23 12:27:29 i mean, it would be stupid to change it Dec 23 12:27:30 http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578 Dec 23 12:27:52 try clicking "Nokia 4GB microSDHC Card MU-41" Dec 23 12:28:07 but then again, it would be stupid to kill the video bus and not use an onboard 3d chip Dec 23 12:28:24 oh wow Dec 23 12:28:27 they fixed the recommend link Dec 23 12:28:38 awww Dec 23 12:28:45 clicking Email your friend used to talk about the n81 Dec 23 12:28:51 even though the page was the n810 :) Dec 23 12:28:56 Heh Dec 23 12:29:05 no fair Dec 23 12:29:08 improving pages Dec 23 12:29:11 hehe, funny email notification in OS2008 Dec 23 12:29:22 well, at least the sd card link is still broken Dec 23 12:29:27 funny? Dec 23 12:29:28 anyone know anything about modest/tinymail? Dec 23 12:29:43 Luria: i know who writes it :) Dec 23 12:29:48 does that count? :) Dec 23 12:29:53 yeah, light bliking and mail image in tray Dec 23 12:29:58 maybe :-) Dec 23 12:30:01 blinking Dec 23 12:30:48 i was wondering about the timeframe for it becoming the default client and whether it would get a tnef parser Dec 23 12:30:58 btw, why reboot option turned off in /etc/systemui/systemui.xml ? Dec 23 12:31:15 not ms email support, but enough to pull out attachments that have been lumped together Dec 23 12:31:26 Xxaxx, because it is. Dec 23 12:31:44 My computer doesn't have a reset button .. Dec 23 12:32:02 hehe, but why? :) Dec 23 12:32:26 Xxaxx: be happy the option is even listed :) Dec 23 12:32:28 it'd be fairly worthless clutter Dec 23 12:32:38 sp3000: i thought that was a buzzword Dec 23 12:33:01 flashing is a fiasco! :P Dec 23 12:33:30 i want to get n810s for network staff at the startup i might be joining... invariably someone sends a winmail.dat Dec 23 12:33:38 * sp3000 throws his hands in the air Dec 23 12:33:50 Luria: want something amusing? Dec 23 12:38:24 btw reminder if anyone has a N810 -- xterm commands for speed tests http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11695&highlight=sync+n810 Dec 23 12:39:07 help people decide with mini-SD or micro-SD cards to buy... Dec 23 12:39:14 hey pupnik, did you ever have to return a tablet? I can't figure out where exactly to go Dec 23 12:39:28 me never.. contact the seller Dec 23 12:40:46 sync; time sh -c "dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc1/testfile bs=1M count=100;sync" <<< write test for cards Dec 23 12:40:51 pupnik: micro unless there's some reason to buy mini Dec 23 12:40:57 ok thx Dec 23 12:41:05 time dd if=/media/mmc1/testfile of=/dev/null bs=1M <<< read test for cards Dec 23 12:41:07 micro is all that works in my e61i Dec 23 12:41:16 and it works in my n810 and n800 Dec 23 12:41:38 unfortunately none of the sd's work in 770s :) Dec 23 12:41:44 hehe Dec 23 12:41:56 again, it's a matter of which components were used in phones Dec 23 12:42:06 my 9300i was using mmc (full) Dec 23 12:42:30 * timelyx thinks it was full mmc and not rs Dec 23 12:42:45 http://r2.nokia.com/nokia/0,,89330,00.html Dec 23 12:42:48 try clicking on the picture Dec 23 12:45:10 timeless, or the link .. Dec 23 12:45:13 Neither work .. Dec 23 12:45:47 In fact .. Nothing works on that page :P Dec 23 12:46:47 That site is old school. Dec 23 12:53:17 Hi guys any workarounds for the broken debs? Dec 23 12:54:24 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 23 12:54:25 methinks repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 12:54:27 ixiso: try that Dec 23 12:56:24 does usb-cable charge n800 battery? Dec 23 12:57:09 timelyx: ok, will check this out Dec 23 12:57:37 i just wanted to get my python install back Dec 23 12:57:47 Thanks! Dec 23 13:19:05 Good Morning Dec 23 13:19:10 anything new? Dec 23 13:22:36 skibur: i'm advertising my repo replacement :) Dec 23 13:22:46 infobot repository.maemo.org deb Dec 23 13:22:47 repository.maemo.org deb is, like, unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Dec 23 13:22:49 ? Dec 23 13:22:51 link? Dec 23 13:24:38 infobot: do they give warrantees with the oficial software? Dec 23 13:24:39 * infobot does they give warrantees with the oficial software. Dec 23 13:25:19 pfff Dec 23 13:35:18 skibur: from infobot Dec 23 13:35:45 hugolp: i think the hardware probably has some warrantee :) Dec 23 13:35:50 dunno about the software Dec 23 13:36:18 timelyx: my brain should have some warrantee about not trying to talk to a bot Dec 23 13:36:36 s/warrantee/warning ? :) Dec 23 13:36:43 timelyx: the ip in the repo package fix doent seem to work Dec 23 13:37:10 ixiso: um... how so? so far everyone else is happy :| Dec 23 13:37:54 yeah Dec 23 13:38:09 Dunno but just going to http://66.33.212.254/ shows the error Dec 23 13:38:18 ixiso: it's dreamhost Dec 23 13:38:20 ok Dec 23 13:38:29 you can't go to the ip address w/o specifying a host Dec 23 13:38:30 Do you think its a proxy issue? Dec 23 13:39:13 seems unlikely Dec 23 13:40:08 Will try again Dec 23 13:41:27 ixiso: can you load /etc/hosts in the browser? Dec 23 13:41:31 does it show the entry? Dec 23 13:43:53 timelyx: if i install your deb and then some packages from your repo, when r.m.o comes back up, is it now just a matter of uninstalling your repo deb or is there more to be done to make things sane again? Dec 23 13:44:09 yes Dec 23 13:44:30 hmm. yes it will be sane again? Dec 23 13:44:46 yes Dec 23 13:44:56 sounds straightforward enuff Dec 23 13:45:03 tnx Dec 23 13:47:08