**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 24 02:59:57 2007
Dec 24 03:00:00 <yabbas> know which repo I need to add?
Dec 24 03:00:20 <lmoura> strange. Are the repositories right? (repositories.maemo.org/extras bora (or chinook) free non-free)
Dec 24 03:00:58 <lmoura> there were some problems in chinook this weekend about corrupted packages
Dec 24 03:01:07 <lmoura> I don't know if it is working now
Dec 24 03:01:54 <yabbas> grr
Dec 24 03:02:07 <yabbas> they show up now!
Dec 24 03:02:13 <yabbas> must have been the server issue
Dec 24 03:02:21 * yabbas starts from scratch again "properly"
Dec 24 03:03:19 <yabbas> should I uninstall python 2.3 and 2.4?
Dec 24 03:04:10 <lmoura> yabbas only 2.4
Dec 24 03:04:18 <lmoura> well
Dec 24 03:04:36 <lmoura> is anyone of them from pymaemo?
Dec 24 03:04:53 <yabbas> 2.4 was :)
Dec 24 03:04:59 * yabbas removes that
Dec 24 03:05:14 <yabbas> gah, I mean 2.3
Dec 24 03:05:25 <yabbas> 2.3 listed a number of dependancies which frightened me
Dec 24 03:05:54 <lmoura> do not remove 2.3
Dec 24 03:06:10 <lmoura> well, do not remove the scratchbox one
Dec 24 03:06:46 * yabbas nods
Dec 24 03:14:37 <ph|ber> anyone???
Dec 24 03:32:04 <pupnik> http://youtube.com/watch?v=vA_iMuZ3ZDw  this might be the best music ever  - Blazin Hazen
Dec 24 03:38:03 <skibur> :)
Dec 24 03:40:56 <DeLeOn> pupnik: it remind me the windows 386 promo video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swFlU-FKg30
Dec 24 03:41:31 <pupnik> :)
Dec 24 03:41:59 <gm> time to upgrade to 2008 r2
Dec 24 03:42:07 <gm> well, the non-beta
Dec 24 03:45:27 <pupnik> nice find DeLeOn
Dec 24 03:46:42 <DeLeOn> i'm glad i was a child in the 80's hahaha... i barely remember stuff like that
Dec 24 03:47:30 <Masca> Hahaha  god.. the 80's... why it's real?
Dec 24 03:52:04 <unique311> the repo issues fixed yet?
Dec 24 03:53:11 <roue> anyone know if you can do an NFS mount under OS2008? I tried, and it tries, but the mount fails.
Dec 24 03:53:34 <roue> the server log says the authentication failed, but I wasn't doing any authentication.
Dec 24 03:58:00 <skibur> what is this Hacker edition for the n770?
Dec 24 03:58:14 <gm> os2007 modified to run on the 770
Dec 24 03:58:25 <skibur> o ok
Dec 24 04:00:06 <pupnik> ok DeLeOn that fried the last synapses
Dec 24 04:10:58 <DeLeOn> hahaha
Dec 24 04:38:09 <bvsciguy> what is the current state of the OS servers? are they still down?
Dec 24 04:44:28 <skibur> ?
Dec 24 06:25:28 <TabletHacker> <--- Drops Pin
Dec 24 06:25:40 <|R> ?
Dec 24 06:26:01 <TabletHacker> I wondered if I could hear it fall?
Dec 24 06:26:10 <TabletHacker> its so quiet in here
Dec 24 06:26:35 <|R> hehe
Dec 24 06:27:28 <TabletHacker> At some point you wonder, if you have to explain the joke, was it really funny?
Dec 24 06:27:47 <|R> I'm mostly really tired, so everything is funny and not funny at the same time...
Dec 24 06:28:00 <Vulcanis> I'm always that way
Dec 24 06:28:05 <Vulcanis> sleep does not come easy to me.
Dec 24 06:28:11 * |R 's brain is broken from all the n810 discount waiting ;)
Dec 24 06:28:29 <TabletHacker> I just close my eyes and I am out, anytime, anywhere
Dec 24 06:28:38 <Vulcanis> Yes, people like you I envy.
Dec 24 06:28:41 <|R> lucky you
Dec 24 06:28:48 <TabletHacker> is it next week yet. haha
Dec 24 06:28:55 <Vulcanis> I can be in bed at ~9.  And then be trying to sleep for 3 hours.
Dec 24 06:28:56 <|R> it was next week...
Dec 24 06:28:58 <|R> :P
Dec 24 06:29:00 <Vulcanis> until 3* thats 6 hours
Dec 24 06:29:19 <Vulcanis> no caffiene.  No-one really knows what the problem is
Dec 24 06:29:23 <TabletHacker> 1:30AM here, its monday
Dec 24 06:29:36 <|R> same here
Dec 24 06:29:42 <TabletHacker> maybe thay are waiting to give us n900's instead
Dec 24 06:29:45 <TabletHacker> :)
Dec 24 06:30:14 <|R> i wish i could get wimax service with a wimax tablet... good bye cell phone, land lines, etc etc... :P
Dec 24 06:31:43 <TabletHacker> i'd be happy with an 810 @ this point
Dec 24 06:32:08 <|R> I'd be happy with getting shot at this point, waiting without news is horrible :P
Dec 24 06:32:22 <TabletHacker> they probably would have sold 500 more already, if they hadnt promised them to us :)
Dec 24 06:32:37 <|R> hehe indeed ;)
Dec 24 06:32:59 <TabletHacker> its like being a kid, and Christmas keeps getting postponed, every time it gets close
Dec 24 06:33:39 <TabletHacker> its tramatic
Dec 24 06:33:55 <|R> yeah, we're all beaten kids at this point...
Dec 24 06:34:02 <|R> we should get rescued somehow ;)
Dec 24 06:34:41 <TabletHacker> The Mighty Quim?
Dec 24 06:35:38 <|R> maybe the nokia christmas party was a bit too heavy on alcohol and they'll wake up next week ;)
Dec 24 06:36:20 <TabletHacker> well, I got my 770 in jan 2006, and my n800 in jan 2007, so I guess
Dec 24 06:36:50 <|R> hehe, i'm not such a regular yet ;)
Dec 24 06:37:02 <TabletHacker> they must figure they are still on schedule
Dec 24 06:42:43 <timelyx> TabletHacker: he's on vacation
Dec 24 06:43:08 <timelyx> |r: fwiw, the holiday party was weeks ago
Dec 24 06:43:21 <|R> hehe :)
Dec 24 06:43:36 <|R> hard liquor indeed then ;)
Dec 24 06:44:24 <|R> so... if quim is on vacation, we're screwed until january? :)
Dec 24 06:44:38 <TabletHacker> Are FINS not known for holding their liquor?
Dec 24 06:44:57 <timelyx> TabletHacker: google
Dec 24 06:45:04 <timelyx> and it'd be finns
Dec 24 06:45:08 * timelyx gives that spelling fix for free
Dec 24 06:45:14 <TabletHacker> maybe we need to send some brits over to level things out
Dec 24 06:45:34 <timelyx> |r: quim is more of a manager
Dec 24 06:45:35 <|R> I'd love to go to finland :)
Dec 24 06:45:41 <timelyx> |r: why?
Dec 24 06:45:54 <|R> why? why not? :)
Dec 24 06:45:58 * timelyx is fairly unhappy about finland
Dec 24 06:46:02 <|R> oh?
Dec 24 06:46:04 <timelyx> for one, there's no sun
Dec 24 06:46:11 <TabletHacker> we need some people over there who can handle their liquor
Dec 24 06:46:14 <timelyx> for another, there's no warmth
Dec 24 06:46:21 <timelyx> and in case you want a white christmas, forget it :)
Dec 24 06:46:27 <timelyx> you're better off in the states :)
Dec 24 06:46:34 <|R> no snow?
Dec 24 06:46:41 <TabletHacker> with brits their, their want be much left for the Finns
Dec 24 06:46:47 <|R> I'm in Montreal, it's cold, dark, and snowy right now ;)
Dec 24 06:46:56 <timelyx> see, that sounds better
Dec 24 06:47:02 <|R> (well today it was raining, but we got almost a meter of snow in the last weeks)
Dec 24 06:47:03 <timelyx> you can enjoy your white christmas
Dec 24 06:47:07 <TabletHacker> michigan, cold and dark, and windy as hell
Dec 24 06:47:32 <|R> timelyx : so you're not from finland? :P
Dec 24 06:47:54 <timelyx> not yet :)
Dec 24 06:47:58 <timelyx> i'm here now
Dec 24 06:48:11 * |R would rather get a tropical winter though ;)
Dec 24 06:48:18 <timelyx> that's the spirit
Dec 24 06:48:19 <|R> (tropical christmas rather...)
Dec 24 06:48:31 <timelyx> although be careful
Dec 24 06:48:43 <TabletHacker> if I could make money hacking tablets in Hawaii
Dec 24 06:48:52 <TabletHacker> I'd be gone
Dec 24 06:48:52 <timelyx> some people have described the southern hemisphere as detrimental to dark holidays
Dec 24 06:48:58 <|R> Tablets & Bora Bora... :P
Dec 24 06:50:38 * |R is going to go to bed before falling asleep on the keyboard and annoying the hell out of everyone with a long line of kkkkkkkkkkkkkk... ;)
Dec 24 06:51:12 <TabletHacker> peace
Dec 24 06:51:16 <|R> ciao :)
Dec 24 06:59:10 <pupnik_>  http://youtube.com/watch?v=Bqlhxsv7XNI Domo-Kun dancinc to 'Xanadu'
Dec 24 07:14:22 <snak> anyone tried to use becomeroot on OS2008
Dec 24 07:14:31 <snak> installed it but "becomeroot" aint working :(
Dec 24 07:15:00 <snak> put it in the terminal and it wasnt found -.-
Dec 24 07:17:11 <Vulcanis> you need to enable redpill for some reason to install it
Dec 24 07:17:18 <snak> ?
Dec 24 07:17:27 <snak> i installed it without enabling it
Dec 24 07:17:34 <Vulcanis> you have the eko repo, right?
Dec 24 07:17:46 <snak> yeah
Dec 24 07:17:49 <Vulcanis> Yeah, for some reason the one not in redpillmode is messed up
Dec 24 07:17:52 <Vulcanis> I had the same problem
Dec 24 07:18:00 <snak> wierd
Dec 24 07:18:01 <Vulcanis> just redpill and reinstall it from the repo
Dec 24 07:18:09 <snak> ok, ty
Dec 24 07:22:16 <snak> uuh
Dec 24 07:22:23 <snak> redpill on
Dec 24 07:22:27 <snak> resintall
Dec 24 07:22:32 <snak> still not found -.-
Dec 24 07:22:34 <Vulcanis> still did not work?
Dec 24 07:22:34 <Vulcanis> Hm
Dec 24 07:22:42 <Vulcanis> One second
Dec 24 07:22:52 <snak> am i doing something wrong
Dec 24 07:22:59 <snak> "becomeroot" in the terminal
Dec 24 07:23:06 <Vulcanis> ah, yeah
Dec 24 07:23:09 <Vulcanis> Sudo gainroot
Dec 24 07:23:12 <snak> xD
Dec 24 07:23:27 <Vulcanis> turn off redpill, if you have not already
Dec 24 07:23:35 <snak> ^_^ there we go
Dec 24 07:23:39 <snak> cheers
Dec 24 07:23:44 <Vulcanis> Yeah.
Dec 24 07:23:58 <snak> does becomeroot modify the gainroot?
Dec 24 07:24:05 <Vulcanis> believe so
Dec 24 07:24:15 <snak> same as the ssh tutorial?
Dec 24 07:24:18 <Vulcanis> gainroot requires R&D mode, I think
Dec 24 07:24:24 <Vulcanis> becomeroot just overrides that
Dec 24 07:24:31 <snak> :)
Dec 24 07:24:47 <Vulcanis> its certanly helpful
Dec 24 07:24:54 * Vulcanis is very new to all of this, though
Dec 24 07:25:00 <Vulcanis> My n800 came the 15th
Dec 24 07:25:34 <snak> mine on 19th
Dec 24 07:25:46 <snak> i love it to bits =)
Dec 24 07:28:57 <snak> ok, im trying to execute a binary on my mmc and im getting "permission denied"
Dec 24 07:29:11 <Vulcanis> Are you still in root?
Dec 24 07:29:13 <snak> i thaught root access would solve that -.-
Dec 24 07:29:26 <snak> yeah, im root atm
Dec 24 07:29:32 <Vulcanis> Is it plugged into usb?
Dec 24 07:29:35 <snak> nope
Dec 24 07:29:38 <Vulcanis> Hm
Dec 24 07:29:52 <snak> but it does have a very long filename
Dec 24 07:29:56 <Vulcanis> see if you can run anything else on the card
Dec 24 07:30:02 <Vulcanis> don't think long filenames should matter
Dec 24 07:31:00 <snak> need to get something else to put on it -.-
Dec 24 07:31:08 <Vulcanis> what are you trying to run
Dec 24 07:31:19 <snak> http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobileandembedded/PhoneMEAdvancedPlatformsNokia800
Dec 24 07:31:23 <snak> that =]
Dec 24 07:31:29 <Vulcanis> mmm
Dec 24 07:31:55 <snak> though it does say to make a top level dir
Dec 24 07:32:00 <snak> but i dont like top level dirs
Dec 24 07:34:03 <GreySim> Does anyone know if a MicroB extension can access dbus or could access dbus with enough work?
Dec 24 07:34:46 <GreySim> Which I guess really is really the same question twice. :|
Dec 24 07:35:25 <snak> any ideas Vulcanis?
Dec 24 07:36:07 <Vulcanis> Snak: was reading the site.  I'm too tired to really think, so no.
Dec 24 07:36:18 <snak> ok, thanks anyway
Dec 24 07:36:28 <snak> need to find another binary to try and run
Dec 24 07:36:38 <Vulcanis> I don't think that is the problem
Dec 24 07:40:40 <snak> i just took the binaries and stuck it on the mmc
Dec 24 07:40:54 <snak> so i could test it
Dec 24 07:41:11 <snak> Permission denied every time
Dec 24 07:41:35 <Vulcanis> Hm
Dec 24 07:41:47 <GreySim> Sorry if I'm not helping, since I don't have full context, but are you trying to run binaries directly on a FAT formatted MMC card? Won't work if it's not on the main system, because you can't set the executable bit.
Dec 24 07:41:59 <GreySim> I believe.
Dec 24 07:42:19 <snak> well, thats enlightening
Dec 24 07:42:32 <snak> umm, wheres the executable bit xD
Dec 24 07:42:39 <GreySim> chmod +x
Dec 24 07:42:47 <GreySim> If you're in xterm. Otherwise dunno.
Dec 24 07:43:08 <GreySim> Err, 'chmod +x filename'
Dec 24 07:43:15 <GreySim> If that wasn't obvious. ^.^'
Dec 24 07:43:21 <snak> errr, what does chmod do?
Dec 24 07:43:46 <GreySim> Changes permissions of a file. Also read and write permissions, if you were using + or -r or w.
Dec 24 07:44:00 <snak> ah right
Dec 24 07:44:36 <snak> whats the command to see permissions of files again?
Dec 24 07:44:38 <tontsa> the mmc is prolly mounted "noexec"
Dec 24 07:45:07 <GreySim> ls -l filename
Dec 24 07:45:29 <GreySim> Will give it to you in a weird string of rwxrwxrwx I think.
Dec 24 07:45:30 <snak> oh yes, theres no x there -.-
Dec 24 07:46:27 <snak> well thats interesting
Dec 24 07:46:53 <snak> chmod +x filname, and it didnt change the flag to executable
Dec 24 07:47:16 <snak> didnt throw an error either
Dec 24 07:47:39 <GreySim> snak: Is it on the MMC still? Like I said, either FAT doesn't support that, or there's something about the way it's mounted (that "noexec" bit) that prevents that.
Dec 24 07:47:57 <tontsa> cat /proc/mounts
Dec 24 07:48:07 <GreySim> It needs to be on the internal memory.
Dec 24 07:48:25 <snak> ah, ok ^_^
Dec 24 07:51:31 <snak> ah hah! success
Dec 24 07:51:35 <snak> thanks all
Dec 24 07:51:50 <Vulcanis> mmhmm
Dec 24 07:51:56 <GreySim> Yeah, that baffled me too a month or so ago, when I was trying to do Django development on the tablet. Was storing the project on the card, and couldn't get the server to run for some strange reason. :)
Dec 24 07:53:45 <Vulcanis> good to know
Dec 24 07:56:46 <snak> urrgh
Dec 24 07:57:07 <L0cutus> buongiorno
Dec 24 07:57:16 <snak> how to press the "up" button for last command on Xterm
Dec 24 07:57:22 <snak> is starting to hurt
Dec 24 07:57:34 <snak> with these uber long commands
Dec 24 07:57:38 <Vulcanis> bluetooth kb = win
Dec 24 07:57:42 <Vulcanis> ah
Dec 24 07:57:43 <snak> -.-
Dec 24 07:57:47 <Vulcanis> the up button is just up on the dpad
Dec 24 07:57:53 <snak> there was a button on OS2007 xterm
Dec 24 07:58:01 <snak> omg -.-
Dec 24 07:58:09 <snak> if i have known that
Dec 24 07:58:21 <snak> so simple -.-
Dec 24 07:58:24 <L0cutus> also CTRL+P
Dec 24 08:58:02 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Dec 24 09:21:44 <madar> hello all, is there anyplace else to get maemo mapper?
Dec 24 09:21:56 <madar> I realize the files are bad on the main repo
Dec 24 09:27:07 <Spakman_> madar: have you tried this - http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13721
Dec 24 09:33:44 <snak> wtf is with OS2008
Dec 24 09:33:54 <snak> i do chmod +x filename
Dec 24 09:34:03 <snak> ./filename
Dec 24 09:34:07 <snak> not foun
Dec 24 09:34:08 <snak> d
Dec 24 09:34:28 <snak> file manager has it
Dec 24 09:34:30 <snak> ls has it
Dec 24 09:34:35 <snak> and its "not found"
Dec 24 09:34:39 <snak> right...
Dec 24 09:38:41 <gm> is it on a mmc?
Dec 24 09:39:30 <snak> nope
Dec 24 09:41:07 <gm> hmmm
Dec 24 09:41:18 <MikeL> #Canola
Dec 24 09:41:40 <MikeL> me/ hi
Dec 24 09:41:41 <gm> gah, the repositories are still screwed
Dec 24 09:43:38 <snak> what buttons caps lock
Dec 24 09:43:49 <snak> its magically disappeared
Dec 24 09:45:07 <X-Fade_> snak: hold shift for 2 secs..
Dec 24 09:45:30 <snak> ah, crafty xD
Dec 24 09:52:49 <snak> urrgh
Dec 24 09:53:13 <snak> 90% of the time, the problem is the person in front of the screen
Dec 24 09:55:25 <snak> anyone tried to get java working?
Dec 24 09:55:49 <snak> and got errors like java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
Dec 24 09:56:23 <snak> im geussing it cant find the class
Dec 24 09:56:38 <snak> but its being dumb, cause im sitting here looking at it
Dec 24 10:10:22 <snak> bah - i geuss not, in that case; if i get this working ill write an article on it
Dec 24 10:23:40 <GNUton> yo
Dec 24 10:51:16 <sbaturzio> Aloha!
Dec 24 10:54:41 <GNUton> sbaturzio:
Dec 24 10:54:46 <GNUton> sbaturzio: hi!
Dec 24 10:54:57 <GNUton> sbaturzio: anzi ciao! :)
Dec 24 10:55:01 <maddler> sbaturzio: aloha kahua!
Dec 24 10:55:05 <maddler> :)
Dec 24 10:56:36 <sbaturzio> ciao a tutti :-)
Dec 24 10:57:06 <sbaturzio> there are still trouble on chinook repository?
Dec 24 10:57:14 <sbaturzio> ooops....are there still.... :-)
Dec 24 10:57:39 <L0cutus> ciao sbaturzio e GNUton
Dec 24 10:58:03 <GNUton> ue L0cutus! :)
Dec 24 10:58:14 <GNUton> L0cutus: chan italiano stamattina!:)
Dec 24 10:58:57 <maddler> GNUton: partiamo alla conquista? :)
Dec 24 10:58:59 <maddler> LOL!
Dec 24 10:59:08 <GNUton> maddler: volentieri..! :)
Dec 24 11:01:01 <L0cutus> lol
Dec 24 11:03:01 <maddler> :)
Dec 24 11:04:07 <yabbas> how large are .desktop icons?
Dec 24 11:06:56 <sbaturzio> on the OS2008, inside the "contacts applet", is there a way to "shrink" the size of every single contacts? just five contacts is not enough
Dec 24 11:19:12 <timeless> ping
Dec 24 11:24:24 <gm> does libatk have a package on maemo
Dec 24 11:24:52 <timeless> ask gronmayer (see topic)
Dec 24 11:25:00 <gm> ahh, whoops, got it
Dec 24 11:25:17 <gm> searching wrong repository :0
Dec 24 11:25:35 <timeless> the cross reference says it's in chinook
Dec 24 11:25:41 <gm> oh, there's a fix for the repository.maemo.org issue
Dec 24 11:25:44 <gm> well, temp workaround
Dec 24 11:25:48 <timeless> it's bad
Dec 24 11:25:49 <timeless> don't use it
Dec 24 11:25:52 <timeless> thanks for playing
Dec 24 11:26:13 <gm> yeah, i bet it's doing something bad :)
Dec 24 11:26:27 <timeless> as far as someone described, it should poison your system
Dec 24 11:26:33 <timeless> such that if you ever switch to the normal
Dec 24 11:26:45 <timeless> you won't be able to upgrade things you installed from it
Dec 24 11:26:57 <gm> heh, i've destroyed my repositories already by using the SDK ones on the device :)
Dec 24 11:27:58 * timeless isn't 100% certain about this
Dec 24 11:28:03 <timeless> but it seems quite likely
Dec 24 11:28:16 <timeless> if you want a safe fix, there are safe fixes
Dec 24 11:28:42 <gm> know what they were?
Dec 24 11:29:00 <timeless> infobot repository.maemo.org deb
Dec 24 11:29:01 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
Dec 24 11:29:10 <timeless> anything like that would be safe
Dec 24 11:29:22 <timeless> you can pick any ip address you like, although it's best to use a deb
Dec 24 11:29:32 <timeless> so when you're done you can uninstall it by using application manager
Dec 24 11:29:53 <fnordianslip> g'day. I've poisoned my system.  oh well.  just wondering if after i clone from internal to flash again once the real r.m.o is functional, i can tweak the restore from backup to reinstall the apps from the correct repo?
Dec 24 11:30:06 <timeless> fnordianslip: hrm
Dec 24 11:30:15 <timeless> depends how it stores things
Dec 24 11:30:22 <timeless> backup uses zip files
Dec 24 11:30:26 <gm> i did the "repostory.maemo.org" thing
Dec 24 11:30:29 <timeless> so if you take the zips to your favorite desktop
Dec 24 11:30:39 <timeless> then you should be able to do whatever it takes to "fix" the problem
Dec 24 11:30:46 * timeless hasn't looked at a backup of an application list yet
Dec 24 11:31:39 <fnordianslip> i guess if i edit the restored repo sources before reinstalling, it might be ok wthout having to do anything else.
Dec 24 11:32:05 <timeless> i'd kinda assume SMCstar was a package?
Dec 24 11:32:07 <timeless> ooops
Dec 24 11:35:17 <L0cutus> my igo bt keyboard is dead :-\
Dec 24 11:35:44 <L0cutus> bought in oct/2007 :-(
Dec 24 11:41:51 <gm> :(
Dec 24 11:42:00 <gm> warranty?
Dec 24 11:42:24 <sxpert> gm, no such thing :-)
Dec 24 11:42:37 <sxpert> L0cutus, changed the batteries
Dec 24 11:42:48 <timeless> it's hardware, return it, demand a replacement :)
Dec 24 11:44:52 <L0cutus> gm yes warranty, but, i'm in Italy, i must send to France...
Dec 24 11:44:56 <gm> ahh
Dec 24 11:45:08 <L0cutus> i think i'll cost more than new...
Dec 24 11:58:13 <yabbas> :D
Dec 24 11:58:19 <yabbas> respostory++
Dec 24 11:58:59 <Jaffa> see timelyx's warning
Dec 24 12:04:03 <hahlo> debianutils removed busybox, now it doesn't boot or even shutdown
Dec 24 12:04:26 <timeless> hahlo: wasn't there a big scary warning saying "don't do this"?
Dec 24 12:04:41 * timeless wonders if the big scary warning wasn't big or scary enough
Dec 24 12:05:12 <gm> uh-oh
Dec 24 12:05:17 <gm> did you just remove busybox?
Dec 24 12:05:20 <hahlo> yes there was something
Dec 24 12:05:31 <gm> you want to install debian-utils manuall
Dec 24 12:05:33 <gm> manually
Dec 24 12:05:34 * timeless decides it clearly was neither big enough nor scary enough
Dec 24 12:05:48 <gm> and just replace busybox by mv'ing the binaries in
Dec 24 12:06:51 <timeless> you mean rm'ing symlinks and then moving them in?
Dec 24 12:07:00 <timeless> or would mv do the right thing?
Dec 24 12:07:02 <hahlo> os2008 is ke using sid with couple extra repos
Dec 24 12:07:10 * timeless has been bitten by symlinks occasionally of late
Dec 24 12:07:18 <timeless> 'ke'?
Dec 24 12:07:27 <hahlo> like
Dec 24 12:08:08 <hahlo> easily baks even in dist-upgrade
Dec 24 12:08:29 <hahlo> breaks
Dec 24 12:09:51 * tontsa takes root away from hahlo
Dec 24 12:10:07 <timeless> rt? :)
Dec 24 12:11:31 <gm>   libesd0-dev: Depends: libesd0 (= 0.52-8) but 0.52-14 is installed
Dec 24 12:11:40 <gm> is there a simple way of shutting up that sort of error/
Dec 24 12:11:41 <gm> ?
Dec 24 12:11:47 <timeless> "simple" yum
Dec 24 12:12:51 * timeless can think of a dozen "evil" ways to "fix" that
Dec 24 12:13:06 <hahlo> is there a way fix tablet now that it doesn't boot?
Dec 24 12:13:17 <gm> reflash
Dec 24 12:13:47 <timeless> dpkg --ignore-depends=libesd0 -i libesd0-dev.deb
Dec 24 12:13:57 <timeless> that sounds "simple", i suppose
Dec 24 12:14:14 <hahlo> can I flash with poweron cause it doesn't shutdown?
Dec 24 12:14:27 <timeless> you can remove the battery
Dec 24 12:14:34 <hahlo> ok
Dec 24 12:14:37 <timeless> does pressing the power key for 5-10s really not kill the device?
Dec 24 12:14:43 <timeless> you should try that first :)
Dec 24 12:15:15 <hahlo> I try that alady
Dec 24 12:15:15 <gm> timeless: it's making apt-get error on that
Dec 24 12:15:26 <timeless> apt-get --download-only
Dec 24 12:15:56 <gm> application managet is broken
Dec 24 12:16:07 <gm> i might just install the corresponding libesd0
Dec 24 12:16:24 <hahlo> btw why debconf is replaced with fakedebconf?
Dec 24 12:21:38 <gm> right, only 6 mangled dependencies to go
Dec 24 12:27:09 <gm> hmm, well, if the sdk is supposed to be able to run on these different package versions to develop for the device, i'd assume it'd be safe to replace os2008 packages with these...
Dec 24 12:32:06 <oranginalab> Has anyone been able to build microb-eal? I am experiencing dependencies issues and don't know how to solve them
Dec 24 12:32:07 <timeless> i'm expecting someone to show up shortly asking about building microb
Dec 24 12:32:11 <timeless> that'd be the someone
Dec 24 12:32:13 <timeless> hello
Dec 24 12:32:28 <oranginalab> hi thats me
Dec 24 12:33:03 <timeless> hrm, you're working in a scratchbox
Dec 24 12:33:12 <timeless> is the world outside your scratchbox debian based?
Dec 24 12:33:26 * timeless would like to have a semi common point of reference
Dec 24 12:33:49 <oranginalab> yes. World outside scratchbox is a Debian system.
Dec 24 12:34:20 <timeless> can you install http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
Dec 24 12:34:35 <timeless> (you can install it both inside and outside, but i'm going to assume you prefer browsing from outside)
Dec 24 12:34:49 <gm> hmm, i think i'm creating a disaster here...
Dec 24 12:35:01 * timeless sighs
Dec 24 12:35:05 * timeless hates proxies
Dec 24 12:36:13 <timeless> if you do, then we can use short urls like mxr.maemo.org
Dec 24 12:36:19 <timeless> if not, then we have to use longer urls
Dec 24 12:36:26 <timeless> like timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test
Dec 24 12:38:19 <oranginalab> I have installed it (outside)
Dec 24 12:38:29 <timeless> ok,
Dec 24 12:38:36 <oranginalab> what was that
Dec 24 12:38:38 <timeless> you should be able to load http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/
Dec 24 12:39:01 * timeless hopes
Dec 24 12:39:58 <oranginalab> Error 404.
Dec 24 12:40:24 <timeless> are you using a proxy?
Dec 24 12:40:29 <oranginalab> Do you want me to install it inside scratchbox
Dec 24 12:40:36 <oranginalab> I do not
Dec 24 12:41:00 <gm> uh-oh
Dec 24 12:41:05 <gm> just screwed up libgtk2
Dec 24 12:41:10 <gm> reflashing time :)
Dec 24 12:41:18 <timeless> gm: gah
Dec 24 12:41:26 <timeless> organinalab: erp
Dec 24 12:41:37 <timeless> try loading just http://mxr.maemo.org/
Dec 24 12:41:58 <timeless> if the title is repository.maemo.org (aka. stage.maemo.org) then it didn't work
Dec 24 12:42:13 <timeless> in which case you should uninstall the deb and we'll just use longer urls
Dec 24 12:42:47 <timeless> anyway, here's the first longer url:
Dec 24 12:42:47 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/debian/control
Dec 24 12:42:52 <oranginalab> The title is repository....
Dec 24 12:42:53 <gm> knew it would happen :)
Dec 24 12:43:13 <timeless> ok, uninstall the deb
Dec 24 12:43:17 * timeless shrugs
Dec 24 12:44:05 * timeless ponders
Dec 24 12:44:10 <timeless> oh, i bet i know what's up
Dec 24 12:44:12 <timeless> that'd be clever
Dec 24 12:44:16 <timeless> well, let's see :)
Dec 24 12:45:50 <timeless> hrm, cute
Dec 24 12:45:53 <oranginalab> I've loaded that Mozilla Cross Reference page but i don't know what I am doing
Dec 24 12:46:04 <timeless> we're just reading aroudn
Dec 24 12:46:37 <timeless> the first thing i did was try to figure out who or what provides maemo-browser-eal-dev
Dec 24 12:46:38 <oranginalab> lets read
Dec 24 12:47:00 <oranginalab> ok
Dec 24 12:47:18 <timeless> there are basically 2 repositories of interest
Dec 24 12:47:30 <timeless> one is garage (which is what we're looking at there)
Dec 24 12:47:35 <timeless> it's where you got the source for browser
Dec 24 12:47:39 <timeless> the other is chinook
Dec 24 12:47:40 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/chinook/search?string=browser-eal-dev&find=debian/control
Dec 24 12:47:48 <timeless> which is where the normal dev packages live
Dec 24 12:49:07 <timeless> anyway, searching chinook showed no such package
Dec 24 12:49:53 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/search?string=eal-dev&find=debian/control
Dec 24 12:50:02 <timeless> otoh eventually does show some
Dec 24 12:50:24 <timeless> the one that's most interesting is ironically in the same file
Dec 24 12:50:32 <timeless>     *
Dec 24 12:50:32 <timeless> /browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-eal/debian/control,
Dec 24 12:50:32 <timeless>     * line 5 -- Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), browser-eal-dev (>= 0.0.1) | maemo-browser-eal-dev (>= 1.5.0), microb-engine-dev (>= 0.0.1-1), libgtk2.0-dev, osso-ic-dev, libhildon1-dev | hildon-libs-dev, libosso-gnomevfs2-dev, libssl-dev, libgtkmozembed-dev, libconic0-dev | osso-ic-dev, libdbus-1-dev | dbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev | dbus-glib-1-dev, libcst-dev
Dec 24 12:50:32 <timeless>     * line 8 -- Package: microb-eal-dev
Dec 24 12:50:48 <timeless> a bit of useless history, which is unfortunately relevant
Dec 24 12:50:57 <timeless> before microb was released, its internal name was maemo-browser
Dec 24 12:51:12 <timeless> but the lawyers and managers determined that it couldn't keep the name maemo
Dec 24 12:51:20 <timeless> so a new name was chosen (microb)
Dec 24 12:51:30 <timeless> in most cases, it was a global replace (maemo-browser => microb)
Dec 24 12:51:42 <timeless> but, it seems that in this Build-Depends line, the replace didn't happen :o
Dec 24 12:52:07 <timeless> since the control file specifies a package microb-eal-dev, it seems likely that the build-depend was supposed to be on that
Dec 24 12:52:30 <timeless> the reason it builds for everyone else, should be apparent too from the search results
Dec 24 12:52:37 <timeless> everyone else has browser-eal-dev
Dec 24 12:52:57 <timeless> anyway, try changing maemo-browser to microb, and then rebuilding :)
Dec 24 12:53:23 <timeless> if that works, file a bug in bugs.maemo.org browser/microb and attach an svn diff for the change
Dec 24 12:53:30 <timeless> people here can help w/ all those steps
Dec 24 12:54:01 * timeless chuckles
Dec 24 12:54:07 <oranginalab> I am going to try it and come back to tell you it worked.
Dec 24 12:54:22 <timeless> btw, there's no reason to leave the channel, it won't hurt you to stay :)
Dec 24 12:54:51 <oranginalab> :)
Dec 24 12:55:31 * timeless sighs and kicks osso-xterm
Dec 24 13:03:01 <oranginalab> Hi, again
Dec 24 13:03:16 <oranginalab> That didn't work
Dec 24 13:03:24 <timeless> did you at least get a different error?
Dec 24 13:03:53 <oranginalab> the microb-eal-dev dependence error is still there (now with a different name)
Dec 24 13:04:47 <timeless> what command are you using to build now?
Dec 24 13:04:56 <timeless> you'll need to build microb-eal-dev first...
Dec 24 13:05:33 <oranginalab> fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -nc
Dec 24 13:06:28 * timeless grumbles
Dec 24 13:06:31 * timeless hates dpkg
Dec 24 13:06:39 <timeless> anyone here want to be my hero?
Dec 24 13:06:44 <timeless> i'm sure i've earned a hero
Dec 24 13:06:55 <oranginalab>  ?
Dec 24 13:07:07 <timeless> that's not to you :)
Dec 24 13:07:16 <gm> heh, i hate dpkg too
Dec 24 13:07:40 <oranginalab> let me know the best way to build packages, then
Dec 24 13:08:04 <timeless> the best way is not to start :)
Dec 24 13:10:52 <oranginalab> I am getting lost, how do i get microb-eal-dev source code
Dec 24 13:11:04 <oranginalab> and how i build it without dpkg
Dec 24 13:11:08 <timeless> microb-eal-dev is part of the same pacakge as the thing you're in
Dec 24 13:11:19 * timeless doesn't understand what dpkg-buildpackage is thinking
Dec 24 13:11:51 <timeless> oh
Dec 24 13:11:55 <timeless> ok, well, try this
Dec 24 13:12:06 <timeless> hrm
Dec 24 13:13:49 <timeless> ok, just temporarily try removing the dependency entirely:
Dec 24 13:13:50 <timeless> build-depends:%20debhelper%20(>=%204.0.0),%20microb-engine-dev%20(>=%200.0.1-1),%20libgtk2.0-dev,%20osso-ic-dev,%20libhildon1-dev%20|%20hildon-libs-dev,%20libosso-gnomevfs2-dev,%20libssl-dev,%20libgtkmozembed-dev,%20libconic0-dev%20|%20osso-ic-dev,%20libdbus-1-dev%20|%20dbus-1-dev,%20libdbus-glib-1-dev%20|%20dbus-glib-1-dev,%20libcst-dev
Dec 24 13:14:00 <timeless> oh boy, my web browser was really helpful :(
Dec 24 13:14:05 <timeless> build-depends: debhelper (>= 4.0.0), microb-engine-dev (>= 0.0.1-1), libgtk2.0-dev, osso-ic-dev, libhildon1-dev | hildon-libs-dev, libosso-gnomevfs2-dev, libssl-dev, libgtkmozembed-dev, libconic0-dev | osso-ic-dev, libdbus-1-dev | dbus-1-dev, libdbus-glib-1-dev | dbus-glib-1-dev, libcst-dev
Dec 24 13:14:07 * timeless sighs
Dec 24 13:14:19 * timeless used to be able to use url bars as pastebins
Dec 24 13:14:26 <timeless> now they do random other things
Dec 24 13:16:18 <oranginalab> You want me to try to build it just skipping dependencies?
Dec 24 13:16:36 <oranginalab> I can try dpkg-buildpackage -d
Dec 24 13:18:50 <oranginalab> It was just microb-eal-dev that you want me to remove. I am going to try
Dec 24 13:19:37 <timeless> yeah, it's microb-eal-dev and the | part
Dec 24 13:21:05 <oranginalab> Ok. We have skipped microb-eal-dev. Now there are only two issues remaining
Dec 24 13:21:20 <oranginalab> osso-ic-dev and libgtkmozembed-dev
Dec 24 13:26:10 <oranginalab> I tried to build libgtkmozembed and after solving dependencies (microb-engine-dev, bc, quilt) I got a compilation error
Dec 24 13:26:40 <timeless> pastebin.mozilla.org
Dec 24 13:28:03 <oranginalab> ok
Dec 24 13:29:45 <oranginalab> Excuse me, I am not used to IRC tools
Dec 24 13:29:54 <timeless> http://pastebin.mozilla.org
Dec 24 13:29:58 <timeless> paste the build error there
Dec 24 13:30:02 <timeless> then paste the url it gives you here
Dec 24 13:30:17 <timeless> i'm not expecting you to be familiar w/ irc tools
Dec 24 13:30:36 <timeless> so far, you've actually made many fewer gaffs than most people :)
Dec 24 13:30:49 <timeless> if you want more information about irc, you can visit http://irchelp.org
Dec 24 13:33:16 * timeless sighs
Dec 24 13:33:31 <timeless> what part of maemo-developers means "Rant about nokia hardware design" :(
Dec 24 13:34:02 <oranginalab> I have pasted the libgtkmozembed building error
Dec 24 13:34:31 <oranginalab> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277262
Dec 24 13:34:32 <timeless> you'll need to copy the url from the browser to this window
Dec 24 13:34:33 <timeless> thanks
Dec 24 13:35:01 <timeless> ok
Dec 24 13:35:06 <timeless> so you're building libgtkmozembed
Dec 24 13:35:20 <timeless> but you don't have microb-dev (or something like it) installed
Dec 24 13:36:04 <timeless> microb-engine-dev
Dec 24 13:36:19 <timeless> you're going to need to somehow get microb-engine-dev
Dec 24 13:36:28 <timeless> one way is to build it (from svn)
Dec 24 13:36:52 <oranginalab> I have installed with just a apt-get install
Dec 24 13:37:08 <timeless> just now?
Dec 24 13:37:12 <oranginalab> Not now
Dec 24 13:37:17 <timeless> hrm
Dec 24 13:37:22 * timeless frowns
Dec 24 13:39:05 <oranginalab> I tried to build libgtkmozembed hoping it will provide me with some libgtkmozembed-dev package needed to build microb-eal
Dec 24 13:39:23 <oranginalab> but i failed.
Dec 24 13:40:33 * timeless wonders which thing adds this
Dec 24 13:41:05 <timeless> you have all the sources for microb, including microb-engine, right?
Dec 24 13:41:30 <timeless> you could use xpidl to create nsIXPIProgressDialog.h
Dec 24 13:44:53 <oranginalab> I downloaded all sources from microb, engine included
Dec 24 13:44:59 <timeless> ok
Dec 24 13:46:41 <oranginalab> oops!! IRC client crashed
Dec 24 13:47:12 <oranginalab> I have no idea on how to do what you suggested
Dec 24 13:47:33 <oranginalab> and now I can even remember what it was
Dec 24 13:47:45 <timeless> fwiw, one of the urls in the topic is to a channel log
Dec 24 13:49:01 <timeless> ok, you'll want to cd trunk/microb-engine
Dec 24 13:49:12 <timeless> if you want to try to skip building gecko, you'd probably do this:
Dec 24 13:49:18 <timeless> sh -x ./build_non_deb.sh
Dec 24 13:49:55 <timeless> cd scratch_build/build-tree/mozilla
Dec 24 13:49:57 <oranginalab> done
Dec 24 13:50:03 <timeless> xpidl --help
Dec 24 13:50:11 <timeless> the file you want to feed xpidl is: /xpinstall/public/nsIXPIProgressDialog.idl
Dec 24 13:50:24 <timeless> the output format you want is header
Dec 24 13:50:48 <timeless> so, something like:
Dec 24 13:50:57 <oranginalab> wait, please
Dec 24 13:51:18 <oranginalab> i have no scratch_build directory
Dec 24 13:51:31 <timeless> xpidl -m header -I ... -o /tmp/nsIXPIProgressDialog.h xpinstall/public/nsIXPIProgressDialog.idl
Dec 24 13:51:36 <timeless> um..
Dec 24 13:52:05 <timeless> if you used sh -x ./build_non_deb.sh you'd get one:
Dec 24 13:52:05 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/mxr-test/garage/source/browser/mozilla/trunk/microb-engine/build_non_deb.sh#22
Dec 24 13:52:10 <timeless> if you don't want to skip building microb
Dec 24 13:52:14 <timeless> http://browser.garage.maemo.org/docs/build_howto.html
Dec 24 13:52:20 <oranginalab> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277279
Dec 24 13:52:23 <timeless> you can just do the two fakeroot commands
Dec 24 13:52:37 <timeless> oh
Dec 24 13:52:44 <timeless> heh, well, um, you'd need to do what it says :)
Dec 24 13:52:58 <timeless> although, it's kinda missing a "fakeroot" token :)
Dec 24 13:53:01 <oranginalab> ejem!
Dec 24 13:53:18 <timeless> but, it's not really designed for people in scratchboxes, so, that's forgivable :)
Dec 24 13:56:50 <oranginalab> Now it's taking its time to build
Dec 24 13:57:05 <oranginalab> Next time i will read output
Dec 24 13:57:19 <timeless> a good lesson to learn :)
Dec 24 13:59:17 * alterego installs scratchbox in a nice new KVM ..
Dec 24 14:00:03 <oranginalab> this way i will avoid blusing this way
Dec 24 14:02:32 <timeless> it's ok, we're all new at least once
Dec 24 14:02:37 <timeless> i tend to be new daily
Dec 24 14:02:42 <alterego> :)
Dec 24 14:02:47 <timeless> every day is a new chance for me to make dozens of mistakes
Dec 24 14:04:41 <oranginalab> just dozens? May be my days are longer :)
Dec 24 14:05:22 <derf> If you aren't floundering around helplessly, you aren't learning anything.
Dec 24 14:06:21 <derf> I would like to learn why dpkg-buildpackage is suddenly no longer in my path in scratchbox.
Dec 24 14:08:53 <oranginalab> Now I have a scratch_build/build-tree/mozilla directory
Dec 24 14:09:15 <oranginalab> But no xpidl command
Dec 24 14:09:15 <timeless> oranginalab: it's dark outside
Dec 24 14:09:19 <timeless> and has been for a few hours
Dec 24 14:09:34 <timeless> i think there's around 5hours of daylight
Dec 24 14:09:38 <timeless> and that's theoretical daylight
Dec 24 14:09:44 <timeless> so yeah, i'm fairly sure your days are longer :)
Dec 24 14:10:23 <timeless> organinalab: um... one of the packages theoretically had xpidl
Dec 24 14:10:26 <timeless> i know because i checked
Dec 24 14:10:43 <timeless> try: /usr/lib/microb-engine/xpidl
Dec 24 14:11:17 <oranginalab> here it is
Dec 24 14:11:40 * timeless wonders how /usr/include works in debian
Dec 24 14:11:46 <timeless> is it one giant mess?
Dec 24 14:12:50 <oranginalab> can't tell you. It's not only maemo that i am newbie on...
Dec 24 14:13:30 <timeless> as a temporary place for that .h file, stick it next to EmbedDownloadMgr.cpp
Dec 24 14:15:05 <timeless> oh, you'll probably need to add some -Is
Dec 24 14:15:30 <timeless> e.g. -I /usr/share/idl/microb-engine
Dec 24 14:21:05 <timeless> are you currently stuck somewhere?
Dec 24 14:21:15 <timeless> it's past 4pm, and i'd like to see if i can find lunch
Dec 24 14:21:24 <timeless> before christmas even makes that impossible
Dec 24 14:21:41 <oranginalab> Excuse me
Dec 24 14:22:18 <oranginalab> I have executed the xpidl command and was trying to understand what happened
Dec 24 14:22:26 <oranginalab> if something happened
Dec 24 14:23:13 <oranginalab> please, Just tell what were we trying to achieve with that command and i'll do some googling
Dec 24 14:25:12 <oranginalab> Have a Merry Christmas and forgive me for stucking you here.
Dec 24 14:26:22 <L0cutus> someone know/use this keyboard with n8x0 ?  http://www.expansys.it/p.aspx?i=149150
Dec 24 14:26:24 <timeless> the goal was to create the .h file that was missing from http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277262
Dec 24 14:26:41 <timeless> the -o thing would have specified where that file went
Dec 24 14:27:01 <timeless> temporarily, the file probably should be /home/sigfried/apt-sources/microb/libgtkembedmoz/src/nsIXPIProgressDialog.h
Dec 24 14:30:53 <oranginalab> I've found it
Dec 24 14:36:49 * timeless sighs
Dec 24 14:37:15 <timeless>    8 Package: cellphonetool
Dec 24 14:37:18 <timeless>   12 Description: it contains an application & icon.
Dec 24 14:37:21 <timeless> nice description
Dec 24 14:38:04 <oranginalab> strangely it is called nsIXPIProgressDialogn.h.h
Dec 24 14:38:25 <oranginalab> I have placed in the same directory as EmbedDownloadMgr.cpp
Dec 24 14:38:33 <timeless> oranginalab: fix it, that was my fault
Dec 24 14:38:42 <timeless> i don't call xpidl manually that often
Dec 24 14:38:50 * timeless relies on a build system which does the work
Dec 24 14:39:06 <timeless> it needs to be called nsIXPIProgressDialogn.h
Dec 24 14:39:24 <timeless> anyway, w/ that in place, go back and see if the libgtkmozembed package builds
Dec 24 14:41:15 <oranginalab> Ok. I have renamed it and I am trying to compile it.
Dec 24 14:41:46 <|tbb|> How can i type lower case for the first character of a new sentence? Shift+character doesn't do the job
Dec 24 14:42:16 <oranginalab> It is going to take a while.
Dec 24 14:42:37 <oranginalab> We both should go for something to lunch.
Dec 24 14:43:31 <oranginalab> I'll place my desktop under the tree and may be tomorrow I got a brand new libgtkmozembed library
Dec 24 14:44:05 <timeless> heh
Dec 24 14:45:02 <oranginalab> Merry Christmas, I'll keep you informed (if you don't mind)
Dec 24 14:45:32 <timeless> i don't mind being informed, but i don't celebrate, i just starve
Dec 24 14:45:44 <|tbb|> Anyone got an isea?
Dec 24 14:45:53 <timeless> isea??
Dec 24 14:45:53 <|tbb|> Idea?
Dec 24 14:46:21 <timeless> which keyboard?
Dec 24 14:46:25 <timeless> hardware/n810?
Dec 24 14:46:49 <|tbb|> Hardware 810
Dec 24 14:46:58 <timeless> does shift;x not do what you want?
Dec 24 14:47:06 <|tbb|> Nope
Dec 24 14:47:16 <timeless> this is in notes?
Dec 24 14:47:21 <timeless> (notes is a nice sample app)
Dec 24 14:47:43 <|tbb|> Its in pidgin right now
Dec 24 14:48:57 <derf> So why is dpkg-architecture returning arm instead of armel on my maemo3.2 target now?
Dec 24 14:50:14 <timeless> oranginalab: oh
Dec 24 14:50:16 <timeless> one note
Dec 24 14:50:19 <timeless> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2152
Dec 24 14:50:29 <timeless> clearly says to include '-d' in the dpkg-buildpackage args
Dec 24 14:50:39 <timeless> which is probably how everyone else ignores the builddeps issue
Dec 24 14:53:12 <|tbb|> I have to disable do uppercase for new sentences in controlpanel i think.
Dec 24 14:53:23 * timeless frowns
Dec 24 14:53:37 <timeless> i'm pretty sure pressing shift once should work temporarily
Dec 24 14:54:05 <|tbb|> Not in pidgin  trust me
Dec 24 14:54:16 <timeless> did you try notes?
Dec 24 14:55:01 <|tbb|> Is there something like switching open apps, like alt+tab (not the home button)
Dec 24 14:55:19 <derf> Aha, the answer was I really wanted the debian-lenny devkit, not debian-sarge.
Dec 24 14:55:38 <|tbb|> Timless notes also
Dec 24 14:55:49 <oranginalab> I tried days ago to buiild microb-engine with -d flag and it failed
Dec 24 14:56:35 <oranginalab> I can try to build microb-eal skipping builddeps but I don't think is going to work
Dec 24 14:58:25 <timeless> organinalab: -d is to skip them because you've somehow satisfied them
Dec 24 14:58:32 <timeless> it's not about actually not needing them :)
Dec 24 14:58:44 <derf> Except, of course, that didn't work, either.
Dec 24 14:59:12 <timeless> derf: task switching is done w/ task navigator or the home hardware key
Dec 24 14:59:20 <timeless> are you thinking about a bluetooth keyboard?
Dec 24 14:59:27 <timeless> because the default keyboard doesn't have anything like alt
Dec 24 14:59:36 <timeless> or f1..f12
Dec 24 15:00:01 <timeless> from memory, some of the f keys are mapped to emulate the hardware buttons
Dec 24 15:00:12 <timeless> of course, that's remapable w/ the bluetooth control panel applet
Dec 24 15:02:12 <oranginalab> Santa is not going to bring me a libgtkmozembed library
Dec 24 15:02:22 <oranginalab> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277369
Dec 24 15:02:28 <oranginalab> Just the same error
Dec 24 15:10:05 <|tbb|> Timeless: any other  idea? Is there a shortcut wiki for the hardware keyboard? Like app to fullscreen mode from keyboard not hitting special keys on another location
Dec 24 15:15:09 <timeless> the shortcuts on the hardware keyboard are very basic
Dec 24 15:15:31 <oranginalab> I've tried to build microb-eal skipping builddeps with -d flag but it failed. So I'd rather concentrate on building libgtkmozembed first.
Dec 24 15:17:16 <pupnik_> timeless: are you like the main dude working on microb?
Dec 24 15:17:25 <timeless> for some very strange defintion
Dec 24 15:17:38 <timeless> i don't usually build
Dec 24 15:17:47 <timeless> and the people here have access to the alternate depends
Dec 24 15:17:53 <timeless> which means all sorts of bad things happen
Dec 24 15:18:03 <timeless> the maemo-browser depend here being one of them
Dec 24 15:19:38 <timeless> romaxa is the main engineer i suppose
Dec 24 15:19:48 <oranginalab> It's just me who have this problems to build microb?
Dec 24 15:20:01 <timeless> each person seems to have a slightly different set of problems
Dec 24 15:20:08 <timeless> but please file a bug about maemo-browser
Dec 24 15:20:16 <timeless> that's just a bug
Dec 24 15:20:56 <oranginalab> I mean if you know if other people is building the browser without problems
Dec 24 15:21:43 <timeless> well, the people here have what's essentially a different build environment
Dec 24 15:21:50 <timeless> and the people in mozilla land have different goals
Dec 24 15:22:41 <timeless> given that doublec only filed one bug for build problems, i'd assume what he did was sufficient to get things to work
Dec 24 15:25:16 <alterego> I'm gonna try and build it in a while.
Dec 24 15:25:26 <alterego> Is everyone after gtkmozembed?
Dec 24 15:26:11 * timeless has no idea why
Dec 24 15:26:31 <timeless> organinalab: out of curiosity, why do you want to build it?
Dec 24 15:27:01 <Gemtech> seasons greeting i have a question about my new n800 and xmame
Dec 24 15:27:09 <|tbb|> A2dp with nx00 is a way 2 go, ;(
Dec 24 15:27:13 <oranginalab> alterego: Please, let me know if you achieve it
Dec 24 15:27:17 <pupnik> greets Gemtech
Dec 24 15:27:21 <alterego> Sure
Dec 24 15:27:35 <timeless> oranginalab: i hope this channel hasn't proved too scary
Dec 24 15:27:40 <alterego> It wont be for an hour or so. I need to install the SDK ;)
Dec 24 15:27:41 <timeless> sorry i wasn't of more assistance
Dec 24 15:27:50 <oranginalab> timeless: I want to rebuild it because i need to remove the tap & hold event
Dec 24 15:27:56 <timeless> oh
Dec 24 15:27:56 <pupnik> gentech, the answer is some roms require a particular version of xmame to run them
Dec 24 15:28:18 <Gemtech> im getting unable to load rom...Im sure you heard this problem over and over again
Dec 24 15:28:36 <pupnik> :)
Dec 24 15:28:53 <Gemtech> old school game donkey kong
Dec 24 15:29:07 <alterego> sudo apt-get install sudo? That's not gonna work :D
Dec 24 15:29:08 <oranginalab> I first modified GTK but only to discover that microb does not deal with GTk like the rest of apps
Dec 24 15:29:30 <Gemtech> i have old arcade roms
Dec 24 15:29:43 <oranginalab> timeless: I thank you very much for your effort and you patiente.
Dec 24 15:30:02 <timeless> oraninalab: yeah, i remember that discussion in maemo-devel
Dec 24 15:30:19 * timeless sighs
Dec 24 15:30:34 * timeless will be so glad to be able to stop thinking about libgtkmozembed
Dec 24 15:31:45 <Gemtech> what version of xmame should i try? thanks for helping
Dec 24 15:31:55 <oranginalab> Disgracefully, oranginlab can not stop thinking about libgtmozembed until somehow the tap&hold event vanishes
Dec 24 15:35:46 <oranginalab> alterego: I have to leave now but I would really thank you if you write me a line to tell me if you succeeded in building libgtkmozembed (and specially microb-eal package)
Dec 24 15:36:05 <timeless> oranginalab: keep in mind that the channel log is indexed by google
Dec 24 15:36:17 <timeless> but so far, i don't think alterego knows your email address
Dec 24 15:36:37 <oranginalab> how do people share their e-mail through IRC?
Dec 24 15:37:01 <macluvjay> register your nick with nickserv?
Dec 24 15:37:40 <timeless> macluvjay: a url explaining that would be helpful
Dec 24 15:37:46 <oranginalab> sure
Dec 24 15:38:36 <macluvjay>  /win 1
Dec 24 15:38:43 <macluvjay>  /msg nickserv help
Dec 24 15:38:46 <macluvjay> for a start
Dec 24 15:39:16 <macluvjay> http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
Dec 24 15:40:48 <oranginalab> thank you
Dec 24 15:41:13 <macluvjay> :)
Dec 24 15:51:03 <Gemtech> ok so i have the original  xmame. I launched from terminal xmame frooger and it says missing files what gives?
Dec 24 15:51:29 <oranginalab> alterego: I have registered my nick. Can you see my e-mail or may be I need to relog
Dec 24 16:02:57 <astro76> Gemtech, you need a romset appropriate for mame 0.58
Dec 24 16:04:01 <alterego> Email? What email?
Dec 24 16:08:14 <pupnik> N810 owner?  Post your SD card read/write speeds here http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11695
Dec 24 16:18:14 <Gemtech> what version of xmame is anyone is using and what romset?
Dec 24 16:22:19 <khertan> Hi
Dec 24 16:26:58 <oranginalab> alterego: I was trying to share my email with you because I would thank you if you tell me wether you succeed or not building libgtkmozembed (and microb-eal package)
Dec 24 16:27:14 <alterego> oranginalab, pm it to me :)
Dec 24 16:28:20 <oranginalab> I'm new at IRC. What do you mean by pm
Dec 24 16:28:57 <alterego> private message.
Dec 24 16:29:04 <alterego> type: /msg alterego blah blah
Dec 24 16:29:35 <alterego> Anyhow, I've almost finished installing the SDK, so it shouldn't be much longer :)
Dec 24 16:30:38 <oranginalab> Then I will wait a while
Dec 24 16:43:16 <GNUton> re
Dec 24 16:46:41 <alterego> Hmm, can't check out the fuggin' sources.
Dec 24 16:48:27 <oranginalab> Where are you trying to get microb sources
Dec 24 16:48:37 <alterego> working now.
Dec 24 17:11:07 <kala_> the scummvm on maemo cannot use virtual keyboard and you cannot do 'save-game in some games. anybody know the workaround?
Dec 24 17:13:00 <alterego> There's a work around?
Dec 24 17:13:07 <kala_> I hope so :)
Dec 24 17:13:18 <alterego> You presume so :P
Dec 24 17:13:29 <kala_> yeah.
Dec 24 17:13:30 <kala_> mother of all fuckups
Dec 24 17:13:33 <kala_> somebody have said
Dec 24 17:14:26 <pupnik> ITOS keyboard doesn't work with sdl games.  You need to use http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html
Dec 24 17:15:01 <pupnik> unless scummvm has builtin keyboard somewhere
Dec 24 17:15:45 <kala_> ok, I'll try that
Dec 24 17:19:15 <truent> alterego, hey the other day i asked if ruby-maemo was broken.. is it?
Dec 24 17:19:23 <alterego> No
Dec 24 17:19:29 <truent> is it just not revamped for chinook or what
Dec 24 17:19:35 <truent> so its good to go?
Dec 24 17:19:36 <alterego> you said you couldn't require conic. You're doing something wrong.
Dec 24 17:19:48 <kala_> or the bluetooth hardware keyboard. but usually, when you try to save the game, you don't have the keyboard on you
Dec 24 17:19:51 <truent> damn i left it in the car
Dec 24 17:19:56 <truent> alterego, you can?
Dec 24 17:20:09 <truent> which version did you install of all that for os2008?
Dec 24 17:20:11 <alterego> Of course
Dec 24 17:20:27 <alterego> 0.4.0
Dec 24 17:20:39 <truent> i tried os2008 ver on your site didnt work if i remember right
Dec 24 17:21:38 <alterego> So you didn't see the install file?
Dec 24 17:22:08 <truent> actually i think that is how i installed it
Dec 24 17:22:16 <truent> the second time..
Dec 24 17:22:18 <alterego> Hmmm
Dec 24 17:22:32 <truent> first time i tried os2008 no workee.. then i tried os2007 and it installed..
Dec 24 17:22:56 <truent> then i decided to try your .install.. so i removed the old .. .install'd and that worked
Dec 24 17:22:56 <alterego> Then you're doing something _very_ wrong ..
Dec 24 17:23:13 <truent> lol i left it in the car so i cant check
Dec 24 17:23:14 <alterego> The install file installs the latest version.
Dec 24 17:23:31 <alterego> Which does have a couple of bugs in it which I'm fixing. One is to do with conic but it wont stop it being required.
Dec 24 17:23:51 <truent> mind you i tried it in irb
Dec 24 17:23:59 <truent> not normal ruby
Dec 24 17:24:01 <alterego> That's how I tried it.
Dec 24 17:24:04 <truent> hmm
Dec 24 17:24:11 <truent> okie welp i'll try again
Dec 24 17:24:21 <truent> loved ruby on os2007
Dec 24 17:24:26 <truent> all three of us that use it
Dec 24 17:24:33 <truent> thanks for your work for sure ;)
Dec 24 17:24:55 <alterego> Three of you? :)
Dec 24 17:25:12 <truent> i mean like there doesnt seem to be much demand for ruby
Dec 24 17:25:17 <truent> plenty of python guys
Dec 24 17:25:30 <alterego> ls
Dec 24 17:25:40 <truent> and you're still workin on it.. i applaud you ;p
Dec 24 17:26:02 <alterego> :)
Dec 24 17:26:18 <alterego> There are more ruby maemo users than you think ;)
Dec 24 17:26:27 <Jon> alright ladies/gents. Is the source of "sketch" on the Internet tablets part of the dev platform, or available elsewhere at all?
Dec 24 17:26:29 <alterego> I know of at least 15 people.
Dec 24 17:26:30 <truent> good stuff
Dec 24 17:26:59 <Jon> oh bugger there's the door
Dec 24 17:27:05 <truent> alterego, any chance we can get a compile of rubygems?
Dec 24 17:27:13 <alterego> Nope
Dec 24 17:27:19 <truent> what happened
Dec 24 17:27:30 <alterego> rubygems doesn't run well, _very_ slow.
Dec 24 17:27:41 <truent> os2008 or in general?
Dec 24 17:28:17 <truent> i had some metasploit dude's compile of it for os2007.. so you could install/run metasploit's web interface
Dec 24 17:28:20 <alterego> In general.
Dec 24 17:28:30 <truent> that was super slow
Dec 24 17:28:39 <alterego> It doesn't work well enough to bother with. But you should be able to install it yourself from the rubygems site quite easily.
Dec 24 17:28:48 <truent> ok
Dec 24 17:29:51 <truent> oh..
Dec 24 17:29:56 <truent> any progress on ruby-dbus?
Dec 24 17:30:26 <alterego> That's my first priority right now.
Dec 24 17:30:34 <alterego> Getting it to work with a glibc event loop.
Dec 24 17:30:54 <truent> nice
Dec 24 17:31:09 <truent> so one wouldnt need something like dbus-scripts
Dec 24 17:31:17 <truent> you could do it all in ruby right?
Dec 24 17:31:31 <alterego> Hopefully.
Dec 24 17:31:37 <truent> thats awesome
Dec 24 17:31:41 <alterego> Otherwise I'm gonna have to write a new dbus bindings :S
Dec 24 17:31:49 <truent> heh
Dec 24 17:32:03 <truent> well my c is a lil rusty otherwise i'd try and help
Dec 24 17:32:11 <truent> and my ruby isnt even that good ;p
Dec 24 17:33:12 <truent> actually i guess ruby im ok..
Dec 24 17:33:22 <alterego> :)
Dec 24 17:33:23 <truent> rails still makes me think some time
Dec 24 17:33:26 <truent> s
Dec 24 17:33:28 <alterego> Practice makes perfect.
Dec 24 17:33:58 <truent> indeed.. i learned alot making a lil script for the n800 to connect to my blackjack phone
Dec 24 17:34:13 <truent> i wanna get deeper though,.. not just a bunch of system calls to dbus-send
Dec 24 17:34:44 <truent> i need something like what you're doing.. cuz i just wanna eventually be choosing a connection in the manager
Dec 24 17:35:12 <truent> grab the signal.. and move from there.. turning everything on that needs to be
Dec 24 17:35:56 <truent> what i need to work on is the maemo part.. all the gui api stuff.. havent got into that at all yet
Dec 24 17:44:18 <alterego> truent, That unfortunately is ruby-maemo's strongest point :)
Dec 24 17:44:47 <alterego> The Hildon Bindings are the best part. Well, that and OSSO. OSSO does have some okay dbus support. So you might be able to do your dbus stuff through there.
Dec 24 17:44:55 <alterego> Better than wrapping calls to the dbus-send executable.
Dec 24 17:45:48 <alterego> Wow, the maemo repository is really broken pretty badly >:(
Dec 24 17:47:41 <truent> alterego, oh yeah.. i havent been touching ruby-maemo yet.. its just ruby on the n800 for me so far
Dec 24 17:47:46 <truent> but i wanna get into it soon
Dec 24 17:48:41 <alterego> It's pretty fun.
Dec 24 17:48:47 <alterego> And it's gonna keep getting better :)
Dec 24 17:49:58 <truent> nice
Dec 24 17:50:08 <oranginalab> alterego: I have to leave now. Would you be so kind to e-mail me if you succeed in building libgtkmozembed / microb-eal libraries?
Dec 24 17:50:15 <truent> well once i learn, i'm gonna write your documentation ;p
Dec 24 17:50:36 <alterego> oranginalab, it's building now.
Dec 24 17:50:49 <alterego> truent, it'd be appreciated ;)
Dec 24 17:53:21 <alterego> oranginalab, if I'm successfull, I'll publish my method ;)
Dec 24 17:55:41 <oranginalab> great
Dec 24 17:56:16 <alterego> So far it's compiling okay.
Dec 24 17:57:23 <alterego> This'll be handy, I can get ruby gtkmozembed working finally :)
Dec 24 17:58:03 <alterego> And maybe do some playing with xul ..
Dec 24 17:58:56 <oranginalab> you are now compiling libgtkmozembed. Will you try to also build microb-eal?
Dec 24 17:59:11 <alterego> I'm compiling the engine now.
Dec 24 17:59:48 <alterego> I'll compile it all.
Dec 24 18:00:18 <alterego> Though, probably not i10l ..
Dec 24 18:00:54 * alterego feels an emptiness in his heart, roughly the shape of an N810
Dec 24 18:05:52 <FMZ> Are any of the Canola2 guys in?
Dec 24 18:06:40 <truent> alterego, how are you compiling these things.. in a chinook scratchbox?
Dec 24 18:07:00 <alterego> indeed
Dec 24 18:07:30 <truent> nice
Dec 24 18:07:38 <truent> i finally got mine to install yesterday
Dec 24 18:07:47 <truent> all those repo probs
Dec 24 18:08:13 <alterego> Yes, there are a few aren't there ..
Dec 24 18:08:21 <truent> seems so
Dec 24 18:20:44 <oranginalab> I've tried to build microb-engine again
Dec 24 18:20:52 <oranginalab> but it failed
Dec 24 18:20:54 <oranginalab> again
Dec 24 18:21:02 <oranginalab> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/277585
Dec 24 18:25:47 <penguinbait> yabbas?
Dec 24 18:37:40 <oranginalab> alterego: Did you finally succeed in building microb-engine?
Dec 24 18:57:34 <alterego> oranginalab, no, it appears my scratchbox install is _very_ broken. The maemo repos are seriously screwed so I'm attempting to fix it all :)
Dec 24 19:01:23 <trinket> Has anyone had trouble getting Adblock plus working? I'm not seeing the icon in the lower right corner.
Dec 24 19:01:44 <oranginalab> alterego: What a shame!
Dec 24 19:01:54 <oranginalab> Hope you can fix it
Dec 24 19:02:16 <oranginalab> Please let me know if you succeed
Dec 24 19:02:37 <oranginalab> Merry Christmas
Dec 24 19:05:40 <liia> how to test whether the n810 gps works or not?
Dec 24 19:05:58 <liia> that settings > control panel gps thingy should be able to get some coordinates?
Dec 24 19:06:08 <liia> how long should it take?
Dec 24 19:06:12 <liia> outdoors naturally
Dec 24 19:06:25 <alterego> Maximum 5 minutes.
Dec 24 19:06:32 <alterego> For a cold start.
Dec 24 19:06:39 <liia> ok, didn't wait quite that long
Dec 24 19:06:45 <liia> it was freezing outside :)
Dec 24 19:06:52 <alterego> Leave it out there ;)
Dec 24 19:06:58 <alterego> As long as it's not raining ^_^
Dec 24 19:08:17 <liia> not so easy if you don't have your own yard :)
Dec 24 19:10:49 <alterego> Meh, leave it on a window sill for five odd minutes then.
Dec 24 19:11:26 <alterego> I don't know for sure, but the configuration thing you were talking about should tell you how many sats it sees. You need 3 for a 2D lock and 4 for a 3D lock.
Dec 24 19:12:59 <yabbas> penguinbait!
Dec 24 19:13:09 <yabbas> merry christmas eve :)
Dec 24 19:14:38 <GNUro> Merry Christmas to you all
Dec 24 19:15:02 * yabbas pokes penguinbait 
Dec 24 19:17:34 <alterego> This is bad.
Dec 24 19:17:42 <alterego> I don't think I can install the SDK properly :
Dec 24 19:17:44 <alterego> :/
Dec 24 19:17:50 <yabbas> why not?
Dec 24 19:18:00 <alterego> The repository is really broken :/
Dec 24 19:18:21 <liia> alterego: yay, now it's working. inside, next to a window. just had to wait long enough. thanks
Dec 24 19:18:30 <alterego> liia, no problem :)
Dec 24 19:18:54 <yabbas> alterego, know how that feels :(
Dec 24 19:19:38 <alterego> Maybe I could get them manually :/
Dec 24 19:21:37 <|tbb|> Trinket: same here with addblock
Dec 24 19:21:47 <alterego> Kind of a crappy time for them to be broken. Now I lose out on all the Christmas hacking I could be doing :(
Dec 24 19:22:25 <yabbas> hmmm, do links on the application menu run in user privs, or can they be elevated to root privs?
Dec 24 19:22:47 <alterego> You can setuid the executable. But be careful of that.
Dec 24 19:23:09 <yabbas> well - I want to create an insmod link on the menu
Dec 24 19:23:52 <yabbas> do-able?
Dec 24 19:23:56 <alterego> If it's something that simple. Add an item to sudoers.
Dec 24 19:24:26 <yabbas> all this user privs stuff in linux is new to me - got a link to something I ought to read please? :)
Dec 24 19:24:38 <alterego> google.com ? :P
Dec 24 19:24:44 <alterego> You're looking for /etc/sudoers.
Dec 24 19:24:58 <alterego> The command is called 'sudo' so googling for those would be good.
Dec 24 19:25:13 <yabbas> doesn't that specify user rights added to sudoers?  :P  not commandline apps?
Dec 24 19:25:42 <alterego> I wouldn't have suggested it if it wasn't appropriate yabbas.
Dec 24 19:26:26 <yabbas> so, elevate user privs to sudoers - menu item = sudo insmod insteas
Dec 24 19:26:28 <yabbas> *instead
Dec 24 19:26:38 <alterego> No
Dec 24 19:26:53 * yabbas sighs and googles.
Dec 24 19:27:09 <alterego> Add an item to sudoers that allows the user 'user' to execute `modprobe module_name`.
Dec 24 19:27:17 <|tbb|> Where can i see if addblock works?
Dec 24 19:27:20 <alterego> Then you're script, program, whatever can run that.
Dec 24 19:27:33 <yabbas> ko
Dec 24 19:28:00 <alterego> yabbas, you're specifically looking for adding a rule that doesn't require a password ;)
Dec 24 19:28:19 <alterego> You could probably guess how to do it by just looking at the file yourself ;)
Dec 24 19:28:37 <yabbas> alterego, I see it, cheers :)
Dec 24 19:29:19 <alterego> I think I'm just going to give up and wait for them to fix it.
Dec 24 19:29:45 <alterego> There's a possibility I could copy over my scratchbox installation from my laptops hard drive.
Dec 24 19:33:05 <skibur> BAH! HUMBUG!
Dec 24 19:33:18 <celesteh> hahaha
Dec 24 19:33:21 <skibur> lol
Dec 24 19:33:34 <skibur> When was the last time you've heard that?
Dec 24 19:33:46 <celesteh> this morning, but i live with grumpy people
Dec 24 19:34:57 <skibur> Now thats... BAH! HUMBUG!
Dec 24 19:35:01 <skibur> :P
Dec 24 19:35:22 <celesteh> heh
Dec 24 19:36:02 <skibur> brb
Dec 24 19:47:10 <kbsingh> hey guys, have a good holiday season.. make much noise
Dec 24 20:09:47 <|tbb|> Is there a vncserver for os2008 available?
Dec 24 20:39:43 <legind> any vnc server available for chinook yet?
Dec 24 20:40:03 <kbsingh> vncserver ?
Dec 24 20:40:22 <tontsa> there's client.. why would you want vncserver
Dec 24 20:40:28 <tontsa> use X forwarding :)
Dec 24 20:41:36 <Andy80> hi all
Dec 24 20:42:17 <kbsingh> nxclient would be nice
Dec 24 20:42:25 * kbsingh sets reminder to poke gw
Dec 24 20:42:48 <kbsingh> btw, claws-mail on n810 is really good.
Dec 24 21:03:29 <guardian> ah great
Dec 24 21:03:34 <guardian> i was installing chinook sdk
Dec 24 21:03:39 <guardian> in the middle of maintenance :(
Dec 24 21:11:21 <liia> how to get that virtual keyboard in xterm? it had something to do with tapping the cursor but that does not seem to work now
Dec 24 21:12:42 <tontsa> you need to enable the tap keyboard in all apps to get it
Dec 24 21:16:29 <liia> ah, my co-nerd enabled that one to the previous flash, had no idea such setting existed :)
Dec 24 21:16:35 <liia> shared toys not working ;)
Dec 24 21:16:49 <liia> thanks.
Dec 24 21:28:30 <aloisiojr> hi all any idea when the extras repo will be available again ?
Dec 24 21:28:56 * aloisiojr wish marry Xmas to everyone
Dec 24 21:46:01 <yabbas> right ...  for .desktop entries - where would you store the icon?  /usr/share/pixmaps/ or usr/share/icons/hicolor/26x26/ ?
Dec 24 21:47:25 <yabbas> if in icons/hicolor - should I provide icons for all other resolutions?  26x26, 32x32, 64x64, etc - or does hildon automagically resize them when needed?
Dec 24 21:56:50 <skibur> ok I'm back
Dec 24 21:57:01 <skibur> so has OS2009 come out? :P
Dec 24 21:57:46 <Jiten> I think OS2009 is due next year.
Dec 24 22:00:08 <yabbas> I've got a copy of OS2009 running here.  They've clocked the processor to 533MHz.
Dec 24 22:37:52 <Robot101> how can I configure the toolbar in osso-xterm to send alt+keypress?
Dec 24 22:46:16 <timelyx> alterego: how's my deb? :)
Dec 24 22:49:03 <yabbas> where do .desktop icons go?
Dec 24 22:49:15 * yabbas trying to create some
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Dec 24 22:53:19 <timelyx> alterego: fwiw, oranginalab was using build_non_deb.sh, but afaict the script deals w/ uu decoding
Dec 24 22:55:15 <skibur> I'm compiling Ktorrent
Dec 24 22:55:16 <skibur> :P
Dec 24 22:56:00 <yabbas> timelyx, specified the icon name in the .desktop file.  Now where to put the .png?
Dec 24 22:56:21 <yabbas> or "doesn't it work like that?"
Dec 24 23:02:50 <skibur> I feel like hacking code :(
Dec 24 23:02:57 <skibur> not sure what
Dec 24 23:05:13 <penguinbait> yabbas
Dec 24 23:05:17 <penguinbait> ?
Dec 24 23:05:25 <yabbas> ello mate :)
Dec 24 23:05:30 <yabbas> all compiled and working
Dec 24 23:05:37 <penguinbait> sweet
Dec 24 23:05:38 <yabbas> just packaging it up
Dec 24 23:05:46 <yabbas> and learning as I go!
Dec 24 23:05:54 <penguinbait> please send me a link when its together
Dec 24 23:06:05 <penguinbait> kids open thier wii in the morning
Dec 24 23:06:09 <yabbas> will do - 1 question - .desktop icons.  Where do they go?
Dec 24 23:06:44 <penguinbait> desktop icons in KDE, or menu icons in maemo?
Dec 24 23:06:50 <yabbas> in maemo
Dec 24 23:07:05 <penguinbait>  here /usr/share/application/hildon
Dec 24 23:07:21 <penguinbait> might be /usr/share/applications/hildon
Dec 24 23:07:39 <yabbas> the pngs go there?  :o
Dec 24 23:07:59 <penguinbait> in the desktop file it defines the icon
Dec 24 23:08:09 <penguinbait> I think you can just put in full path to icon
Dec 24 23:08:14 <yabbas> aye done that - or at least I think I have.  But they don't show up :-/
Dec 24 23:08:24 * yabbas tries the full path
Dec 24 23:08:40 <yabbas> fullpath/icon.png or without the extension?
Dec 24 23:08:52 <penguinbait> I had same problem in 2008, but not prior
Dec 24 23:09:07 <penguinbait> I am wondering if it now needs to be certain format or size
Dec 24 23:09:15 <yabbas> that's what I'm wondering
Dec 24 23:09:43 <penguinbait> grab a maemo icon and make your same size and format
Dec 24 23:10:37 <yabbas> thought I did - converted to .png 26x26 which seems to be the suggestion for application setup
Dec 24 23:10:48 <yabbas> with transparent backdrop
Dec 24 23:11:30 <penguinbait> I used to just point it at any old image and it would scale
Dec 24 23:11:50 <penguinbait> something must have changed
Dec 24 23:12:36 <penguinbait> so yabbas is that going in the repos, or what?
Dec 24 23:12:55 <yabbas> dunno yet :D lemme finish it off, lol
Dec 24 23:13:09 <yabbas> it works though - well the gui does.  Still need to test wminput
Dec 24 23:13:55 <penguinbait> I am puttin a website together to host some projects, I would love to mirror your work when its complete
Dec 24 23:14:03 <yabbas> it's yours :)
Dec 24 23:14:24 <penguinbait> building it from scratch, yes just bought a new domain
Dec 24 23:14:34 <yabbas> whacha got?
Dec 24 23:15:23 <penguinbait> still working on that, but basically a site of projects like KDE cdrom drivers whatever, its becomming a pain to manage in the forum
Dec 24 23:15:41 <penguinbait> Its also going to be directed at tablets, not PC's
Dec 24 23:15:57 <penguinbait> tablet friendly website
Dec 24 23:16:28 <yabbas> tablet luvvin <3
Dec 24 23:16:38 <yabbas> what's the domain? :)
Dec 24 23:17:10 <penguinbait> join #pb
Dec 24 23:24:13 <pupnik> n770 shown useful to computer hating dad on christmas:  radio was pickung up the Bach christmas-mass poorly, so n770 was used to stream it from the radio station with improved quality. (somewhat) \o/
Dec 24 23:25:44 <yabbas> pupnik, score  1 to tablet,  0 to the radio
Dec 24 23:28:36 <pupnik> finding the stream was annoyingly difficult though.  realllly dislike these sites that stream via .wma and javascript applet
Dec 24 23:30:29 <pupnik> penguinbait has my vote for top ten people doin cool stuff right now :)
Dec 24 23:31:34 <josch> is this channel right for n770 hacking or is here only maemo app discussion?
Dec 24 23:32:38 <pupnik> any tablet discussino
Dec 24 23:40:42 <josch> so did anyone ever try to run anything else than the nokia OS on the device?
Dec 24 23:41:32 <josch> are there any documents explaining the boot process? as I understand is it there is no bootmanager but a script that redirects a already booted kernel to a proper rootfs
Dec 24 23:46:19 <penguinbait> thanks pupnik :)
Dec 24 23:49:49 <kbsingh> josch: would be interesting to see the wiki pages you come up with :D
Dec 24 23:51:17 <kbsingh> i guess montavista would be an interesting target to get going
Dec 24 23:53:36 <yabbas> has bochs been compiled on the N800?
Dec 24 23:53:54 <yabbas> I'd love to see it boot Win95 in 45  minutes :D
Dec 24 23:55:50 <pupnik> i didn't get bochs running
Dec 24 23:56:09 <kbsingh> how about a virtualbox port :D
Dec 24 23:56:11 <kbsingh> or xen even
Dec 24 23:57:04 <yabbas> pupnik, any reason?  have you tried again
Dec 24 23:57:19 <pupnik> If we could get a few hundred people donating to a dosbox dynarec, we could get one in 2008
Dec 24 23:57:50 <pupnik> you can emulate about a 12-16mhz 80286 on n800 right now
Dec 24 23:58:52 <pupnik> i hope some smart ppl will do some dosbox optimizing for ARM in 2008
Dec 24 23:59:02 <kbsingh> is there a problem waiting to be solved here ?
Dec 24 23:59:12 <kbsingh> or is the effort better spent on porting the app that works now on x86 to arm
Dec 24 23:59:37 <pupnik> yes, dosbox has a cpu emulator framework that can handle just-in-time / dynamic recompilation of x86 to AMR
Dec 24 23:59:41 <pupnik> AMR
Dec 24 23:59:43 <pupnik> ARM
Dec 25 00:00:34 <pupnik> depends on what app you want
Dec 25 00:01:11 <pupnik> but i would say that improving dosbox into 20mhz 386 class emulation would open up a lot of entertaining oldschool stuff
Dec 25 00:01:40 <pupnik> haha wb doc|humbug
Dec 25 00:02:09 <pupnik> thinking of anything in particular kbsingh ?
Dec 25 00:02:58 <kbsingh> no, not really - i was going to ask you that :D
Dec 25 00:03:17 <wumpus> yeah, running some old dos games could really be fun
Dec 25 00:03:27 <wumpus> like keen :)
Dec 25 00:05:32 <doc|humbug> pupnik: :)
Dec 25 00:07:10 <pupnik> right now on 770 dosbox 0.72 with frameskip of 2-4 gives about 4.77-6 mhz 8086 class game compatibility
Dec 25 00:09:23 <pupnik> we might also eventually be able to emulate the whole soundblaster on the dsp
Dec 25 00:09:27 <pupnik> that'd be a keen project
Dec 25 00:14:36 <pupnik>  hmm seems Jagged Alliance 2 is open source now...
Dec 25 00:17:20 <josch> well I simply cannot imagine I'm the first one asking this question - I searched the net but couldn't find things like altering the boot process, modifiing kernel boot parameters, swapping the rootfs etc... I don't want to reinvent the wheel
Dec 25 00:17:47 <pupnik> 'fanoush' knows a lot about this - a good search term for you
Dec 25 00:18:13 <shackan> anybody tried airx?
Dec 25 00:19:48 <Cptnodegard> quick Q: did they ever implement A2DP support in either OS2007 or OS2008?
Dec 25 00:23:00 <bmidgley> Cptnodegard nokia did not
Dec 25 00:23:10 <bmidgley> but it's been added on
Dec 25 00:23:33 <Cptnodegard> ah nice
Dec 25 00:23:39 <Cptnodegard> got a pair of a2dp headphones
Dec 25 00:23:48 <bmidgley> as a 3rd part thing... check the forums
Dec 25 00:23:54 <bmidgley> party
Dec 25 00:39:50 <pupnik> woohoo
Dec 25 00:40:05 * pupnik puts another notch in his 770
Dec 25 00:45:36 <alterego> timelyx, unfortunately I can't install scratchbox on my new machine. So I can't compile anything :/
Dec 25 00:45:46 <alterego> Well, anything that involves X11 or Gtk ...
Dec 25 00:45:56 <kbsingh> alterego: why ?
Dec 25 00:46:00 <alterego> Mental sources corruption.
Dec 25 00:46:13 <alterego> The maemo repository is a bit broken.
Dec 25 00:46:54 <kbsingh> well, isnt that repostory.maemo.org working ?
Dec 25 00:47:00 <alterego> Erm, no.
Dec 25 00:47:36 <kbsingh> do you get the same errors with that as well
Dec 25 00:47:40 <alterego> From what I can tell, the apt lists that hold the headers for packages in the repository is stating different file sizes for the actual deb packages. Which causes apt to die.
Dec 25 00:47:57 <alterego> The maemo repository is the maemo repository ..
Dec 25 00:47:57 <kbsingh> err
Dec 25 00:48:17 <kbsingh> drop the i from the url
Dec 25 00:48:18 <alterego> This is a problem of inconsistency with the package list and the packages ..
Dec 25 00:48:35 <kbsingh> repostory != repository
Dec 25 00:49:14 <kbsingh> the odd thing is someone who has zone file access is obviously able to do something
Dec 25 00:50:11 <kbsingh> i wonder why not just fix the real repository.maemo.org to point at stage.maemo.org
Dec 25 00:50:33 <alterego> kbsingh, they're the same server .. Why would that make a damn bit of difference?
Dec 25 00:50:55 <kbsingh> they are not the same server
Dec 25 00:51:11 <kbsingh> repository.m.o is off the akamai servers
Dec 25 00:52:50 <kbsingh> repostory.m.o is a cname of stage.m.o
Dec 25 00:53:03 * alterego yawns ..
Dec 25 00:53:12 <kbsingh> which seems to be a single machine in .fi afaict
Dec 25 00:53:13 <alterego> They both point to the same files kbsingh
Dec 25 00:53:40 <alterego> So using one from the other, appearantly people prefer 'repository.maemo.org' ..
Dec 25 00:53:51 <alterego> Regardless, it'll make no difference what-so-ever ..
Dec 25 00:53:51 <kbsingh> sure, but stage.m.o does not seem to have those error service unavailable issues
Dec 25 00:54:06 <kbsingh> alterego: try it
Dec 25 00:54:09 <alterego> That's not my issue though is it ..
Dec 25 00:54:31 <alterego> I told you my issue was that the package list appears to report the wrong size for the debs I'm retrieving ..
Dec 25 00:54:45 <kbsingh> are you able to actually get to the debs ?
Dec 25 00:55:03 <alterego> Sure, I can download the debs manually ..
Dec 25 00:55:13 <alterego> There's too many for me to bother.
Dec 25 00:55:21 <kbsingh> try one
Dec 25 00:55:30 <alterego> One isn't going to help me.
Dec 25 00:56:02 <kbsingh> anyway, its your call. stage.m.o is working fine for me
Dec 25 00:56:06 <alterego> There's ~60 packages that don't authenticate the size check.
Dec 25 00:56:21 <alterego> I'm not gonna bother manually downloading them. As I don't know their exact file names.
Dec 25 00:56:38 <alterego> kbsingh, try installing an SDK target from scratch.
Dec 25 00:56:44 <alterego> Then tell me you've got it working.
Dec 25 00:57:34 <kbsingh> iam on a n810 here, i,d need to get up and turn on the playmachine
Dec 25 00:57:46 <kbsingh>  /SIGTOOMUCHWORK
Dec 25 00:57:48 <alterego> Well then, your advise is pointless ..
Dec 25 00:58:22 <alterego> You're working on a device, that probably doesn't have the development repositories in it's list.
Dec 25 00:58:30 <kbsingh> besides i have a local mirror
Dec 25 00:58:41 <alterego> You're probably talking about extras. Which has nothing to do with the SDK ..
Dec 25 01:40:06 <ixiso> Hi timelyx
Dec 25 01:45:22 <skibur> hum...
Dec 25 01:45:40 <skibur> Getting ready for Christmas in about 4 hours
Dec 25 01:46:23 <alterego> Already Christmas day here :O
Dec 25 01:50:39 <skibur> later guys and gals
Dec 25 01:50:42 <skibur> Merry Christmas
Dec 25 01:50:49 <skibur> hack on
Dec 25 01:59:46 <ds3> \
Dec 25 02:01:27 <ixiso> Hi guys
Dec 25 02:02:18 <ixiso> Is there a workaround for r.m.o when behind a proxy?
Dec 25 02:03:46 <diver_x> hi, is there a way to do a video call to a pc? and if, which software is working?
Dec 25 02:37:01 <iball> @find rawles
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