**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 25 02:59:56 2007
Dec 25 06:15:13 <timelyx> hi ixiso
Dec 25 06:16:04 <timelyx> ixiso: the trick is to get your own mini proxy that lets you pick the ip address for connections
Dec 25 06:16:39 * timelyx thinks that'd work
Dec 25 06:16:49 <timelyx> hrm, maybe not
Dec 25 06:26:59 <ixiso> timelyx: does your dreamhost r.m.o thing have another alias?
Dec 25 06:27:30 <unique311> Tak,
Dec 25 06:27:59 <timelyx> ixiso: um... i suppose i could stick one in..., would that help?
Dec 25 06:28:51 <ixiso> That might work since the proxy might have not picked it up yet, i domt mind messing with my sources.list :)
Dec 25 06:29:25 <timelyx> ixiso: hrm... you somehow need to convince the proxy about the ip address
Dec 25 06:29:33 <timelyx> because if the proxy does its own dns lookup, you lose
Dec 25 06:30:17 <ixiso> Hmm. Your right
Dec 25 06:30:38 <timelyx> can you telnet to the proxy?
Dec 25 06:30:53 <timelyx> actually
Dec 25 06:30:58 <timelyx> we can fix this today
Dec 25 06:31:04 <timelyx> we just need a creative local proxy for you
Dec 25 06:31:35 <timelyx> basically you need a local proxy which rewrites requests for repository.maemo.org to
Dec 25 06:31:36 <timelyx> http://timeless.justdave.net/repository/repository.maemo.org/
Dec 25 06:32:39 <timelyx> googling for perl http proxy or something should turn a couple up
Dec 25 06:32:43 <ixiso> Cool
Dec 25 06:32:46 <timelyx> just find one that mostly kinda works
Dec 25 06:33:07 <ixiso> That was the secret url i was looking for
Dec 25 06:33:07 <timelyx> then tinker with it so that it special cases that
Dec 25 06:33:31 * timelyx nods
Dec 25 06:34:30 <ixiso> :) how much space did the entire repos take?
Dec 25 06:42:22 <timelyx> more than i had
Dec 25 06:42:34 <timelyx> for one, it has symlinks which means things get doubled
Dec 25 06:42:46 <timelyx> for another, there are some nokia files that i don't believe i can mirror
Dec 25 06:43:02 <timelyx> my guess is 20-50g, and i had ~8g of space
Dec 25 06:43:19 <timelyx> i didn't mirror all repositories or all dists
Dec 25 06:43:33 <timelyx> e.g. there's a thing called "contrib" which i think is some old repo, i never grabbed it
Dec 25 06:44:04 <ixiso> Ic, thats a lot of space
Dec 25 06:44:14 <timelyx> depends how you measure
Dec 25 06:44:46 <ixiso> Anyways, i can manage to fix this by myself now
Dec 25 06:44:59 <ixiso> Thanks for the help
Dec 25 06:45:14 <timelyx> good luck
Dec 25 06:45:15 <ixiso> And happy holidays!
Dec 25 06:45:26 <timelyx> thanks for the proper seasonal greeting :)
Dec 25 06:45:41 <derf> So how does one go about getting packages in maemo-extras, anyway?
Dec 25 06:45:42 <timelyx> happy holidays to you too :)
Dec 25 06:45:52 <timelyx> derf: very good question
Dec 25 06:46:48 <timelyx> http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html
Dec 25 06:46:53 <ixiso> timelyx: Im agnostc :)
Dec 25 06:48:21 <ixiso> Gtg now
Dec 25 06:48:28 <ixiso> Bye guys
Dec 25 06:49:01 <timelyx> derf: first question: how does one set a pgp/gpg key?
Dec 25 06:49:28 <derf> timelyx: Yes.
Dec 25 06:49:41 <timelyx> anyway, time for me to go
Dec 25 06:49:59 <derf> Have fun.
Dec 25 06:50:36 <timelyx> to work :)
Dec 25 06:50:50 <derf> I stand by my suggestion.
Dec 25 06:51:45 <ol_schoola> timelyx: just got back in town, is your repo still the goto?
Dec 25 06:52:14 <ol_schoola> nvr m ind, just scrolled back in logs
Dec 25 06:52:44 <unique311> !seen tak
Dec 25 06:53:46 <ol_schoola> i have some reading to do ;)    season's cheers to everyone, g'night
Dec 25 06:54:22 <unique311> anyone play around with gngeo yet?
Dec 25 08:38:15 <skibur> anybody alive?
Dec 25 08:38:23 * celesteh is undead
Dec 25 08:38:32 <Taguapire> Hi...
Dec 25 08:38:43 <skibur> Can OS2008 view avi files by default?
Dec 25 08:38:50 <Taguapire> is there a way to run maemo bin OS image from qemu?
Dec 25 08:40:20 <Taguapire> i'm trying to run it from OS X, is there an SDK for Mac?
Dec 25 08:41:00 <Taguapire> it is maemo channel???
Dec 25 08:41:07 <celesteh> there  is a qemu image around someplace
Dec 25 08:41:09 <Taguapire> is it*
Dec 25 08:41:13 <celesteh> that you can use from a mac
Dec 25 08:41:43 <celesteh> i got this to kind of work once, but haven't ha dmuch chance to explore it
Dec 25 08:41:48 <Taguapire> where I can find it? I had search via google, forums and torrent but nothing
Dec 25 08:42:27 <Taguapire> can I unpack the bin upgrade image for OS2008?
Dec 25 08:42:50 <celesteh> i don't know very much about scratchbox
Dec 25 08:43:07 <celesteh> i'm trying to remember where i saw the qemu image . .
Dec 25 08:43:15 <Taguapire> because I don't know how to convert it for qemu, and It looks like a prep image for upgrade via USB.
Dec 25 08:43:22 <celesteh> you want to search for qemu scratchbox in google
Dec 25 08:43:29 <Taguapire> let me see!
Dec 25 08:43:33 <celesteh> but i think it might have been at the maemo garage website
Dec 25 08:58:33 <Phobbes> any news on the repository debs? Is there a way to set up a testing environment without them?
Dec 25 09:09:30 <GNUton> marry xmas to you all!
Dec 25 09:10:09 <timeless> how's Marry?
Dec 25 09:10:10 <timeless> or who's Marry?
Dec 25 09:11:16 <GNUton> s/a/e
Dec 25 09:31:19 <timeless> ping
Dec 25 09:31:57 <tontsa> skibur, yes. n810 comes with preloaded musicvideos that are in .avi
Dec 25 09:32:10 <timeless> tonsta, can you please explain the difference between:
Dec 25 09:32:11 <timeless> https://garage.maemo.org/svn/vpnc/trunk/vpnc/
Dec 25 09:32:14 <timeless> and
Dec 25 09:32:15 <timeless> https://garage.maemo.org/svn/vpnc/vpnc/trunk/
Dec 25 09:32:22 <timeless> yes i know the urls are different, but...
Dec 25 09:32:38 * timeless is trying to figure out which is "the real trunk"
Dec 25 09:34:11 <tontsa> i'm guessing someone has had a brainfart there.. and i'd go with the 2nd
Dec 25 09:34:48 <tontsa> since if you go one level down you find tags and branches from that
Dec 25 09:35:26 <timeless> tonsta: what's great is that the top trunk has two directories that aren't elsewhere
Dec 25 09:35:44 * timeless sighs
Dec 25 09:35:53 <timeless> people should be required to get a license to use svn
Dec 25 09:36:17 <tontsa> yeah svn can work as cheap webdav-fileshare too :)
Dec 25 09:37:55 <timeless> ok, i think my svn update is done
Dec 25 09:38:09 <timeless> now i just need ot figure out what happened to my rsync, figure out how many trunks/tags/branches i failed to catch
Dec 25 09:38:16 <timeless> and then push a new version of garage
Dec 25 10:35:20 <maddler> morning all
Dec 25 10:46:17 <pupnik_> a scrabble type game would be fun.  wonder if it would be legal to write a 'clone' of it
Dec 25 10:47:26 <timeless> http://www.filedudes.com/Scrambled-download-16764.html
Dec 25 10:47:27 <glass_> there's clones of it at least
Dec 25 10:47:48 <timeless> http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/22/0149222 e-Scrabble gets Cease and Desist Order from Hasbro
Dec 25 10:47:50 <glass_> pupnik: some online scrabble works in 810's browser at least
Dec 25 10:48:02 <glass_> if using a name like e-scrabble i don't wonder
Dec 25 10:48:14 <glass_> you could change the rules a bit, like on upwords
Dec 25 10:49:03 <timeless> http://www.cheatbadger.com/Yahoo_Literati
Dec 25 10:50:07 * timeless ponders
Dec 25 10:50:26 <timeless> i think you can't make a game like monopoly where all the rules are the same and all the square have the same layout
Dec 25 10:50:44 <timeless> the monopoly knock offs that i've seen which weren't official changed the board layout slightly
Dec 25 10:50:56 <timeless> (the official ones kept the board layout)
Dec 25 10:51:33 <pupnik_> interesting
Dec 25 10:51:39 <timeless> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=2K7&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=wisconsinopoly&spell=1
Dec 25 10:52:43 <glass_> yep
Dec 25 10:52:53 <glass_> as long as you change rules it's not the same game...
Dec 25 10:53:03 <timeless> note how park place is not properly placed in that game
Dec 25 10:53:12 <timeless> from memory, that was the only significant difference
Dec 25 10:53:30 <timeless> (it's not called park place, but i haven't played it in >10 years,so don't expect me to remember the names of the buildings!)
Dec 25 10:53:53 <t_s_o> hmm, monopoly. i have seen a "variant" with a round board ones...
Dec 25 10:54:18 <timeless> keep in mind that monopoly is fairly old
Dec 25 10:54:26 <glass_> theres lots of official variants with different names on the roads.. but afaik the pricing ratios are the same and such
Dec 25 10:54:35 <glass_> and placement on those
Dec 25 10:55:36 <timeless> monopoly is 1935, scrabble is 1948
Dec 25 10:55:48 <timeless> so whatever you can't do to monopoly, you definitely can't do to scrabble :)
Dec 25 10:56:10 <t_s_o> heh, sounds like hollywood have something to learn from hasbro when it comes to regurgitating classics...
Dec 25 10:56:14 <timeless> glass_: afaik those are generally properly licensed
Dec 25 10:56:39 <timeless> actually, i think i've played one other knock off
Dec 25 10:56:57 <timeless> but trying to remember the name of that variant would be really pushing it
Dec 25 10:56:57 <glass_> timeless: of course, thus me regarding them as "official" variants
Dec 25 10:57:17 * timeless chuckles
Dec 25 10:57:26 <timeless> of course, the newest versions use plastic instead of cash :)
Dec 25 10:57:30 <glass_> new ones have knockoff visa cards you load instead of cash
Dec 25 10:57:31 <glass_> yeah
Dec 25 10:57:37 <timeless> http://www.theage.com.au/news/games/visa-card-replaces-monopoly-money/2006/07/26/1153816231807.html
Dec 25 10:58:11 <t_s_o> heh, more like oystercards then credit cards but still...
Dec 25 10:58:23 <t_s_o> or rather, prepaid cards
Dec 25 10:59:00 <timeless> they're listed as debit cards in the article
Dec 25 10:59:04 <timeless> which is accurate enough
Dec 25 10:59:15 <timeless> visa debit was the us brand
Dec 25 10:59:16 <t_s_o> heh, maybe so
Dec 25 10:59:29 <glass_> well
Dec 25 10:59:33 <t_s_o> hmm, £2 million. talk about inflation...
Dec 25 10:59:53 <timeless> t_s_o: well, you don't win 200 <anything> in contests anymore
Dec 25 11:00:01 <t_s_o> true that
Dec 25 11:00:02 <glass_> it's different.. you load the card itself, it doesn't check from itself if the account the card is attached to has any mone(like visa electron)
Dec 25 11:00:28 <timeless> true...
Dec 25 11:00:33 <timeless> wait
Dec 25 11:00:40 <timeless> so can i use a foreign card in the reader
Dec 25 11:00:56 <glass_> it comes with cards you use..
Dec 25 11:00:58 <timeless> (i.e., one from another set)
Dec 25 11:00:58 <glass_> afaik
Dec 25 11:01:04 <glass_> i think so?
Dec 25 11:01:10 <glass_> not totally sure though
Dec 25 11:01:18 <glass_> havent seen one
Dec 25 11:01:20 <timeless> imo that's the proper test
Dec 25 11:01:27 <t_s_o> i would suspect so timeless, as it probably only stores a integer of the sum on the card...
Dec 25 11:01:33 <glass_> dunno if the cards have chips or just magnetic strips tbh
Dec 25 11:02:42 <t_s_o> still, that could be funny. take a us card into a british reader, did you loose or gain, given the exchange rate? ;)
Dec 25 11:03:46 <glass_> hehe
Dec 25 11:03:46 <t_s_o> glass_: if one look at the image i think its just a magnetic strip. they seems to be inserted with the "broad" side first
Dec 25 11:04:04 <glass_> tso: maybe the balances are stored on the reader then
Dec 25 11:04:13 <glass_> not as cool but probably cheaper..
Dec 25 11:04:19 <t_s_o> also, magnetic strip cards are probably dead cheap compared to ones with chips
Dec 25 11:04:26 <glass_> yeah
Dec 25 11:04:44 <drwx> hi, do you know where I can found a xchat package for OS2008?
Dec 25 11:05:41 * timeless sighs
Dec 25 11:05:48 <timeless> i'm trying to follow an ssh connection
Dec 25 11:05:57 <timeless> and i foolishly assumed it was done over ipv4
Dec 25 11:08:53 * timeless finds the miscreant
Dec 25 11:24:55 <unique311> this would mean that a path is not specified
Dec 25 11:25:00 <unique311>    --biospath=(null)
Dec 25 11:38:03 <timeless> ??
Dec 25 11:39:31 <unique311> xmaeme is giving me a error message
Dec 25 11:40:04 <pupnik_> for what emu?
Dec 25 11:40:45 <unique311> http://pastebin.ca/831789
Dec 25 11:40:48 <unique311> gngeo
Dec 25 11:41:19 <unique311> works when i run gngeo...but when i try to run the it from xmaeme
Dec 25 11:42:07 <pupnik_> is there a fiend in the xmaeme gngeo config where it lets you specify the biospath?
Dec 25 11:42:12 <unique311> only thing that looks strange is the child procress being called flag biospath=(null)
Dec 25 11:42:21 <pupnik_> yes
Dec 25 11:42:22 <unique311> been at it all night
Dec 25 11:42:54 <unique311> waiting on tak
Dec 25 11:43:10 <unique311> btw, speed is outstanding
Dec 25 11:43:17 <unique311> games run really nice
Dec 25 11:43:57 <unique311> missing the onscreen buttons, when i run the gngeo from the terminal.
Dec 25 11:44:29 <hahlo> os2007 xterm utf-8 support how?
Dec 25 11:45:10 <hahlo> doesn't reconize dpkg-reconfigure locales
Dec 25 11:45:31 <unique311> pupnik_, best emu so far.  pretty much why i wasted a nights sleep on it.
Dec 25 11:46:32 <hahlo> can I connect n800 via usb from linux-pc?
Dec 25 11:47:03 <hahlo> sync files and such
Dec 25 11:58:06 <unique311> hmmm
Dec 25 11:59:43 <unique311> the release of xmaeme is pretty new...
Dec 25 11:59:55 <unique311> going to give the version prior a shot.
Dec 25 12:04:02 <pupnik> wow pandora is exactly as wide as 770
Dec 25 12:07:46 <bedboi> is there any news about discount codes?
Dec 25 12:10:06 <unique311> pupnik
Dec 25 12:10:44 <unique311> i installed xmame 0.10
Dec 25 12:10:52 <unique311> then upgraded.
Dec 25 12:11:00 <unique311> and the option for bios showed up.
Dec 25 12:11:10 <unique311> biospath
Dec 25 12:11:42 <pupnik> hehe
Dec 25 12:11:53 <pupnik> well if I see tak, i'll mention this to him
Dec 25 12:12:16 <unique311> still no onscreen buttons
Dec 25 12:21:43 <unique311> k, fixed that.
Dec 25 12:22:03 <unique311> blitter set to yuv in gngeorc fixed it.
Dec 25 12:45:01 <Nichod> Hi.
Dec 25 12:51:27 <diver_x> hi, is it possible to do a video call from a n800 to a pc? which software do i have to use?
Dec 25 12:53:53 <timeless> does gizmo work?
Dec 25 12:55:01 <timeless> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10050&page=2
Dec 25 12:55:45 <diver_x> gizmo is somthing like skype?
Dec 25 12:56:03 * timeless shrugs
Dec 25 12:56:13 <timeless> in that it's not made by nokia? sure
Dec 25 12:56:36 <diver_x> no i mean the account-stuff
Dec 25 12:56:47 * timeless doesn't use these things
Dec 25 12:56:53 * timeless just finds bugs in them
Dec 25 12:56:59 <diver_x> ah okay
Dec 25 12:57:03 <diver_x> thx anyway, will try
Dec 25 12:57:12 <unique311> gizmo works
Dec 25 12:57:15 <timeless> in case it's not clear, i'm not actively suggesting you use it
Dec 25 12:57:22 <timeless> merely noting that people have mentioned it
Dec 25 12:57:25 <unique311> for video calls
Dec 25 12:57:33 * timeless provides no warrantees, recommendations, advice, certifications,...
Dec 25 12:57:42 <diver_x> :)
Dec 25 12:57:43 <timeless> just ideas.
Dec 25 12:57:43 <unique311> quality is alright.
Dec 25 12:58:01 <diver_x> are there any plans for skype video?
Dec 25 12:58:12 <unique311> i doubt it
Dec 25 12:58:13 <timeless> ask skype?
Dec 25 12:58:20 <diver_x> i did, no answer
Dec 25 12:58:31 <timeless> you think asking here would yield a better answer
Dec 25 12:58:32 <timeless> ?
Dec 25 12:58:32 <unique311> just install the gizmo. and be happy
Dec 25 12:58:51 <diver_x> i think maybe here somebody have heard something ..
Dec 25 12:58:52 <unique311> they did what everyone thought skype was going to do for the tablet.
Dec 25 13:01:12 <timeless> unique: make it work?
Dec 25 13:02:05 * timeless frowns
Dec 25 13:02:14 * timeless remembers doing an rsync /somewhere/
Dec 25 13:02:18 * timeless has no idea /where/ it went
Dec 25 13:11:49 <diver_x> i guess gizmo introduced video on pc in versino 4.0 ?
Dec 25 13:21:53 <timeless> in the beta for 4.0
Dec 25 13:21:57 <timeless> i don't think 4.0 exists
Dec 25 13:22:16 <hahlo> how I change default locale? utf8
Dec 25 13:22:34 <timeless> hahlo: for apps? a shell?
Dec 25 13:22:46 <hahlo> yes xterm
Dec 25 13:22:47 <diver_x> i downloaded gizmo for linux, which is 3.1, and there is no video option, then i tried gizmo 4.0 for windows and there is one
Dec 25 13:23:05 <timeless> diver: you downloaded a beta of 4.0, no?
Dec 25 13:23:45 <diver_x> Gizmo 4.0.0.325 i chose
Dec 25 13:24:00 <diver_x> not from the official site
Dec 25 13:24:20 <timeless> you're downloading random windows software from unofficial sites?
Dec 25 13:24:25 <timeless> enjoy your virii
Dec 25 13:24:50 <timeless> Gizmo 4.0 BETA
Dec 25 13:24:51 <timeless> Windows Download 2007 Dec 11 . Version 4.0.0.325 . 13.5 MB
Dec 25 13:24:54 <diver_x> i'm not using windows as productive system
Dec 25 13:25:00 <diver_x> well then it's the beta
Dec 25 13:26:19 <unique311> timeless, make what work?
Dec 25 13:26:33 <diver_x> i'll boot windows now and try, thanks a lot folks :)
Dec 25 13:27:15 <timeless> unique: what did everyone think skype was going to do for the tablet?
Dec 25 13:27:33 <unique311> so how am i suppose to make this work.
Dec 25 13:27:48 * timeless gets confused
Dec 25 13:28:03 <unique311> i'm also confused
Dec 25 13:28:15 <Veggen> I hate skype too. One should, imho, concentrate on getting sip-clients extended by video with standard codecs, etc...
Dec 25 13:28:29 <unique311> that means that convo wasn't working timeless
Dec 25 13:29:14 <timeless> veggen: i used h323 >10 years ago for video conferencing
Dec 25 13:29:55 <Veggen> yah.
Dec 25 13:29:58 <hahlo> can n800 become skype supernode?
Dec 25 13:30:08 <Veggen> hahlo: I should hope not ;)
Dec 25 13:30:24 <Veggen> or, rather, since I don't use it and don't like it, I hope so.
Dec 25 13:30:41 <Veggen> (as it's not gonna help skype, I think ;)
Dec 25 13:30:51 <hahlo> ok my pc once got skype supernode
Dec 25 13:31:10 <hahlo> I didn't like it
Dec 25 13:31:14 <Veggen> hahlo: It has to do with resources - bandwidth/connectivity, mostly.
Dec 25 13:31:40 <Veggen> And I know people in IT at a university that absolutely *don't* like skype ;)
Dec 25 13:32:10 <hahlo> netstat showed lot of peers
Dec 25 13:33:30 <hahlo> but with skype you can easily call regular phones
Dec 25 13:34:41 <hahlo> timeless: is utf8 xterm possible?
Dec 25 13:38:01 * timeless considers looking for a device to see what the defaults are
Dec 25 13:41:37 <hahlo> most linux distros are utf8 now, hard to ssh them with latin xterm
Dec 25 13:45:15 <script> hahlo: my 770 runs with utf8, everything fine
Dec 25 13:45:40 <hahlo> cool
Dec 25 13:45:48 <hahlo> how?
Dec 25 13:46:07 <script> hahlo: LC_ALL=de_DE.utf-8 i guess ..
Dec 25 13:46:50 <hahlo> ok must be generated utf-8 locales then
Dec 25 13:51:25 <sandyang> ???
Dec 25 13:54:37 <svu_> were discount codes enabled last week?
Dec 25 13:55:00 <Sho_> I don't think so, no
Dec 25 13:55:24 <Sho_> At least I have read no excalamations of joy here or in the forum, and thus didn't try myself
Dec 25 13:56:31 <svu_> :///
Dec 25 13:56:33 <svu_> thanks
Dec 25 13:57:30 <svu_> 15.12 is long overdue
Dec 25 13:57:46 <timeless> 10 is not long
Dec 25 13:57:51 <timeless> you're too impatient :)
Dec 25 14:05:26 <hotgklub> http://www.hotgirlclub.net.ms check out hot girl movies
Dec 25 14:05:47 <ravious> Anyone know whats up with the maemo repositories?
Dec 25 14:05:50 <script>  *CLICK*
Dec 25 14:05:57 <ravious> seems like all of them have taken a sheet at once
Dec 25 14:06:12 <timeless> ravious: maemo.org has a CDN (akamai) that handles the repositories
Dec 25 14:06:20 <timeless> unfortunately, something went not quite right with that
Dec 25 14:06:31 <timeless> if you don't mind an unofficial workaround, there are a couple
Dec 25 14:06:32 <ravious> wonderful ;)
Dec 25 14:06:37 <timeless> some more likely to be hazardous than others
Dec 25 14:06:43 <timeless> infobot repository.maemo.org deb
Dec 25 14:06:44 <infobot> somebody said repository.maemo.org deb was unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
Dec 25 14:06:46 <ravious> haha, how hazardous?
Dec 25 14:07:11 <timeless> i believe that some of the suggestions elsewhere will break your ability to update packages when you decide to switch back :)
Dec 25 14:07:24 <ravious> bah, thats nothing a reflash wont fix
Dec 25 14:07:34 <timeless> silly non end user
Dec 25 14:08:25 <ravious> hmm
Dec 25 14:10:04 <svu_> timeless: ok, I am slightly overjealous ;)
Dec 25 14:10:13 <timeless> svu_: of what?
Dec 25 14:10:21 <timeless> oh, you're 10
Dec 25 14:10:24 <svu_> timeless: of getting n810:)
Dec 25 14:10:28 <timeless> i've been waiting for a present for months
Dec 25 14:10:36 <timeless> and i gave something first
Dec 25 14:13:40 <guardian_> http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0.sh :(
Dec 25 14:14:31 <ravious> Anyone know of any sip clients that have been ported other than the crashprone gizmo for 2006?
Dec 25 14:30:42 <unique311> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qI_iyExZ7As
Dec 25 14:31:21 <unique311> made a video of gngeo emu... playing metal slug 2.
Dec 25 14:34:07 <ravious> lol, nice
Dec 25 14:35:20 <unique311> it was much better quality....had to shrink it down to in order for youtube to upload it.
Dec 25 14:35:28 <unique311> loss quality doing so.
Dec 25 14:36:17 <ravious> yeah, gotta love how youtube does that
Dec 25 14:36:41 <ravious> wish divx would release a nix port of their web player
Dec 25 14:36:52 <Nichod> Anyone know of a java environment port for 2008? Or someone working on one?
Dec 25 14:37:20 <ravious> Im pretty sure there is someone working on JavaMe
Dec 25 14:37:47 <Nichod> Think that would run jedit?
Dec 25 14:38:04 <ravious> I really have no idea.. I just remember reading something about someone tryin to port it
Dec 25 14:38:10 <script> i've been waiting for java for ages .. don't think anyone tries to port it
Dec 25 14:38:52 <ravious> Im pretty sure blackdown has an arm build.. once again not sure if anyone has messed with it
Dec 25 14:38:53 <unique311> qt port.
Dec 25 14:38:55 <unique311> nice
Dec 25 14:40:44 <Nichod> Really want something other than vim :(
Dec 25 14:41:16 <pupnik> p&|a ! :)
Dec 25 14:41:22 <ravious> nano ::shrugs::
Dec 25 14:43:28 <pupnik> i wish my stoopid camera would foxus on screen better .. heh nice gngeo vid unique311  ... strange how the buttons don't come up right away
Dec 25 14:45:48 <pupnik> so nice to hear clear sound on an emu...
Dec 25 14:47:22 <unique311> my only issue with it.
Dec 25 14:47:27 <unique311> but gameplay rocks
Dec 25 14:47:55 <ravious> now ya just need a usb game pad ;)
Dec 25 14:48:02 <unique311> wonder if he can do the same with desmume pupnik
Dec 25 14:48:28 <unique311> ravious, gamepad not needed.
Dec 25 14:48:43 <unique311> maybe for the fight games
Dec 25 14:49:08 <ravious> thats kewl, so the on screen controls work pretty well then?
Dec 25 14:49:28 <unique311> yes
Dec 25 14:49:57 <unique311> the hardware direction pad sucks.
Dec 25 14:50:38 <ravious> yeah, i tried out the nes emu on my 770.. It worked ok.. but when ya need to run and jump at the same time.. thats when ya had issues lol
Dec 25 14:53:17 <pupnik> i feel bad i didn't stick it out and get drpocketsnes working
Dec 25 14:53:24 <pupnik> maybe in 2008
Dec 25 15:26:39 <truent> xbox 360 wired gamepad is usb.. it works in linux.. heh that'd be crazy to play a game with that on the n8oo
Dec 25 15:29:55 <timeless> ok, i know someone's trying to use my repository for gregale / extras-, i'm sorry, it's rebuilding now
Dec 25 15:40:16 <itnomad> I've checked the troubleshooting section, and the links on joining #maemo. I am getting an error on trying to flash my Nokia 800 with the new os. "invalid FIASCO file header"
Dec 25 15:40:42 <itnomad> What am I doing wrong?
Dec 25 15:40:53 <timeless> did you check the checksum (md5sum)
Dec 25 15:41:09 <itnomad> no
Dec 25 15:41:11 <timeless> and what file / url are you using, and which flasher, on which platform
Dec 25 15:41:19 <timeless> check the checksum first :)
Dec 25 15:41:56 <itnomad> flasher-3.0 on a Fedora 8. Will check the checksum. Thanks.
Dec 25 15:50:08 <Vulcanis> I recently got one of the igo BT keyboards... but it fails to pair
Dec 25 15:50:34 <Vulcanis> it is seen in the window, but when I try to pair it, it fails.
Dec 25 15:51:18 <Jon> a
Dec 25 15:55:40 <itnomad> timeless: the checksum did not match, then I realized that I had downloaded two files. the .bin file and a php script. The md5sum matches the php script but not the .bin file. So I am confused. from the instructions on the wiki, I thought I was supposed to use the flasher on the .bin file.
Dec 25 15:56:14 <timeless> filenames are randomized by web browsers
Dec 25 15:56:25 <timeless> each browser has its own rather confused view of the world
Dec 25 15:56:35 <timeless> the wiki almost certainly works for *one* web browser
Dec 25 15:56:46 <timeless> but documenting all browsers is beyond the scope of any normal wiki :)
Dec 25 15:57:08 <timeless> heck, on average, documenting any one web browser's behavior in this area is beyond the abilities of most engineers :)
Dec 25 15:57:16 <timeless> anyway, glad you found the file you needed
Dec 25 15:57:27 <timeless> if the wiki is editable and doesn't tell you to checksum before using, you should fix that :)
Dec 25 15:57:35 <hahlo> if gecko is supported, it is enough
Dec 25 16:03:18 <maddler> hey all
Dec 25 16:10:23 <itnomad> I'm using Firefox.  I ran the flasher on the nokia_N800.php and it worked.
Dec 25 16:10:46 <itnomad> This new screen is very nice.
Dec 25 16:11:42 <pupnik> new what screen?
Dec 25 16:11:43 <VRe> hmm.. n800 is in rd-mode and sucks battery as a pro, i don't have cables to run flasher and cal-tool can not set rd-mode off
Dec 25 16:12:51 <pupnik> too bad
Dec 25 16:13:00 <itnomad> wow! I'm going to go play... the os2008 desktop i meant. Thanks for the help and Merry errr I mean Happy Holidays:)
Dec 25 16:13:01 <pupnik> shouldn't enable it
Dec 25 16:13:11 <pupnik> enjoy
Dec 25 16:13:17 <VRe> sometimes I wish the enviroment would be bit more complete on the device, but I suppose on internal flash it is not possible
Dec 25 16:16:00 <pupnik> yeah... ability to pop-in different OSes with SD cards on N800 is pretty awesome
Dec 25 16:17:04 <pupnik> cheapo 2GB OS plus as many programs as you care to install on one card, data/media on another
Dec 25 16:17:38 <pupnik> one card is usable, but two iz awesome
Dec 25 16:17:39 <dragorn> VRe: r&d mode has an impact on battery life?  Got any docs on that, never heard of it myself.  (I'm willing to be proven wrong here, I'm just surprised)
Dec 25 16:18:29 <VRe> dragorn: yeah, it affects. Some of the power saving options are not in use
Dec 25 16:18:50 <dragorn> VRe: interesting
Dec 25 16:18:52 <VRe> + depending what else you have turned on
Dec 25 16:19:16 <patleeman> hello all
Dec 25 16:20:17 <VRe> dragorn: thats why rd-mode is bad on normal use (use the gainroot deb trick), but on devel it might be sometimes helpful
Dec 25 16:20:54 <dragorn> VRe: Hm, like I said, I'm willing to be proven wrong, but I've never heard this.  And I've been running my stuff in r&d since the 770 came out :P
Dec 25 16:21:02 <dragorn> VRe: I'll have to do some tests later
Dec 25 16:21:22 <VRe> dragorn: and never wondered why the battery doesnt last standby for a week? =)
Dec 25 16:21:34 <dragorn> I know I've been able to ruin battery life getting kismet working :P
Dec 25 16:22:01 <dragorn> It gets mighty sad when wifi power saving is turned off, unfortunately the wifi power api suuuucks.
Dec 25 16:22:26 <dragorn> VRe: Honestly nothing else i have lasts in standby a week, I'd never considered it.
Dec 25 16:22:34 <pupnik> rd-mode is a great way for noobs to ruin their tablets using the stylus
Dec 25 16:23:17 <dragorn> heh.  Well, at least I've got legitimate uses for it, I'm just surprised it has that much impact, either I didn't read or it wasn't documented very well back when I started turning it on w/ the 770, I'll admit I've never really read the docs since then :P
Dec 25 16:23:21 <VRe> I have had problems with wifi powersaving with one daemon-process too. Seems some settings in some ap's make incoming traffic go to null
Dec 25 16:23:27 <pupnik> in other words, if you want to do something, and you think you need rd-mode, reconsider, because you don't need rd-mode
Dec 25 16:23:46 <dragorn> VRe: oh theres all sorts of ways to screw up wireless
Dec 25 16:24:02 <dragorn> VRe: if the AP doesn't behave with powersave frames you can tank client devices easily
Dec 25 16:24:16 <dragorn> VRe: it's a big problem with voip phones too, so at least corporate style APs will generally behave well
Dec 25 16:24:23 <VRe> I had some nice software stack way back which demanded turning watchdog off :)
Dec 25 16:24:37 <dragorn> VRe: ouch
Dec 25 16:25:11 <VRe> It not usable any ways (maybe on desktop) but it was demo.. so..
Dec 25 16:25:53 <VRe> but 770 with os2006 was a bit slow..
Dec 25 16:26:18 <dragorn> I've got to figure out how the os2008 broke usb
Dec 25 16:26:28 <dragorn> and how easily I can wedge it
Dec 25 16:29:15 <VRe> atleast serial console eats battery it seems
Dec 25 16:29:24 <ph|ber> yo
Dec 25 16:29:39 <ph|ber> what repo has adduser
Dec 25 16:31:32 <dragorn> just vi /etc/passwd :P
Dec 25 16:32:52 <ph|ber> it is a required package for something
Dec 25 16:33:34 <VRe>  ph|ber: check the gronmayer link in the topic
Dec 25 16:34:14 <ph|ber> i know the page but i still need to know the repo
Dec 25 16:35:16 <ph|ber> nm just saw the search
Dec 25 16:35:39 <Andy80> Merry Christmas to all! :)
Dec 25 16:35:39 <kpel> hi all
Dec 25 16:35:52 <kpel> Merry Christmas!
Dec 25 16:36:09 <timeless> vre: that's why capture-root is your friend
Dec 25 16:36:19 <timeless> using r&d mode is only good for killing batteries dead :)
Dec 25 16:37:07 <timeless> dragorn: serial-console is murder on battery life
Dec 25 16:37:12 <timeless> i'm not sure about the others
Dec 25 16:37:46 <dragorn> well yeah i'd expect that, I was just surprised that leaving a device with the r&d flag set would affect it as much
Dec 25 16:37:56 <hahlo> how you turn off r&d mode?
Dec 25 16:37:58 <dragorn> so serial console, will that get you proper console w/ kernel panics, etc?
Dec 25 16:38:13 <dragorn> hahlo: flasher
Dec 25 16:38:48 <hahlo> and loose all settings
Dec 25 16:38:49 <timeless> hahlo: personally, i make the person who turned it on turn it off :)
Dec 25 16:38:52 <timeless> hahlo: no
Dec 25 16:39:01 <timeless> flasher has some args which don't trigger a reflash
Dec 25 16:39:10 <timeless> the r&d flags stuff are among them
Dec 25 16:39:16 <timeless> read the help from flasher3
Dec 25 16:39:28 <hahlo> ok
Dec 25 16:39:58 <hahlo> gainroot ain't work then?
Dec 25 16:40:09 <timeless> it won't, right
Dec 25 16:40:11 <timeless> use capture-root :)
Dec 25 16:40:29 <timeless> infobot capture-root?
Dec 25 16:40:35 <timeless> infobot capture-root deb?
Dec 25 16:40:38 * timeless shrugs
Dec 25 16:40:47 <timeless> http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/capture-root-0.1.deb
Dec 25 16:41:43 <hahlo> ok, I have wondered short battery life
Dec 25 16:42:11 <timeless> note: there are lots of ways to get a short battery life
Dec 25 16:46:41 <ph|ber> shit no adduser for 810
Dec 25 16:48:14 <Andy80> timeless: is it similar to sudo gainroot?
Dec 25 16:49:40 <timeless> andy80: kinda, sorta,
Dec 25 16:49:48 <timeless> ssh root@127.1
Dec 25 16:50:18 <timeless> almost as short :)
Dec 25 16:50:54 <guardian> does someone have this file on his/her disk ? http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/maemo-sdk-nokia-binaries_4.0.sh
Dec 25 16:51:07 <guardian> repository.maemo.org is hmm in its usual state :D
Dec 25 16:51:28 <timeless> that's one of the few files i intentionally do not mirror
Dec 25 16:51:46 <timeless> it's i believe the major reason people @n said mirroring isn't really allowed
Dec 25 16:51:54 <timeless> sorry :(
Dec 25 16:53:18 <guardian> why do i always choose to setup/upgrade targets when it's borked :(
Dec 25 16:53:31 <hahlo> are those usb-host patches usefully to some purpose?
Dec 25 16:54:06 <timeless> ?
Dec 25 16:54:30 <hahlo> I found some kernel patches
Dec 25 16:54:52 <hahlo> to 2.6.18 omap
Dec 25 16:55:17 <hahlo> just wonder should I patch
Dec 25 16:55:46 <timeless> the sources for the kernel shouldn't be very secret
Dec 25 16:56:28 <hahlo> patching kernel is fun in pc
Dec 25 17:03:23 <tsavola> is flash9 available for os2007he?
Dec 25 17:03:37 <tsavola> and which one should i use, 4.2007.45 or .46?
Dec 25 17:04:53 <timeless> flash9 isn't legally available if you don't own an n800/n810
Dec 25 17:05:12 <timeless> if you have an n800/n810 then you have a flash9 binary that could work on an armel device running os2007
Dec 25 17:05:24 <tsavola> could or will?
Dec 25 17:05:34 <timeless> does?
Dec 25 17:05:42 <tsavola> does it?
Dec 25 17:05:46 <timeless> yes
Dec 25 17:05:56 <timeless> but you need to put it in the right place w/ the right dependencies :)
Dec 25 17:06:04 <tsavola> are the instructions somewhere?
Dec 25 17:06:07 <tsavola> (i.e. all the files)
Dec 25 17:06:34 <timeless> i think the general instructions are in the browser announcement page
Dec 25 17:06:46 <timeless> http://browser.garage.maemo.org/news/6/
Dec 25 17:07:27 <timeless> note: i'm assuming nothing has changed since then
Dec 25 17:07:43 <timeless> for all i know nokia decided to get a license for 770 for flash 9 and it's included in the flash image
Dec 25 17:07:53 <timeless> (confusing isn't that flash in flash)
Dec 25 17:07:58 <timeless> but i think that's highly unlikely :)
Dec 25 17:08:08 * timeless certainly wouldn't spend the money for it
Dec 25 17:09:20 <tsavola> and which one should i use, 4.2007.45 or .46?
Dec 25 17:09:30 <tsavola> there is a news item linkin to .45 but not .46
Dec 25 17:09:50 * timeless uses 2.1 - 2.2006.39-14 scirocco 
Dec 25 17:10:09 <timeless> generally you probably should use the latest number
Dec 25 17:10:16 <timeless> i have no idea what's in any of those images
Dec 25 17:10:21 <timeless> i'm not even sure how to find out
Dec 25 17:11:18 <tsavola> thanks, you've been helpful
Dec 25 17:12:09 <gw280> I wonder if it's possible to use youtube-dl to create a standalone youtube video playing app
Dec 25 17:12:41 <timeless> i don't suppose anyone's seen any leaked urls relating to hacker edition?
Dec 25 17:13:06 * timeless sighs
Dec 25 17:13:19 <gw280> timeless: hrm?
Dec 25 17:15:04 <timeless> gw280: i'm looking for the name of the server that was used to make 2007he builds
Dec 25 17:23:21 <timeless> where'd you find news about 4.2007.45?
Dec 25 17:54:19 <Sikor-n800> hi,i
Dec 25 17:56:43 <Sikor-n800> hi, is there a tool for linux to convert videos to a format the n800/os2008 plays without choppyness?
Dec 25 17:57:09 <timeless> yes
Dec 25 17:57:25 <timeless> <insert-standard-jaffa-plug-here>
Dec 25 17:58:01 <Sikor-n800> jaffa plugin?
Dec 25 17:58:10 <timeless> no, jaffa's a person
Dec 25 18:01:01 <pupnik> garage, mediaconverter i think is the name
Dec 25 18:01:11 <pupnik> used to be 770-encode.pl
Dec 25 18:01:28 <Sikor-n800> any link available to "his" plugins?
Dec 25 18:01:39 <Sikor-n800> ah thanks
Dec 25 18:23:31 <abrilc> What bittorrent client are you using?
Dec 25 18:25:05 <Ulysses223> deluge on ubuntu
Dec 25 18:25:41 <abrilc> On maemo i would say.. :)
Dec 25 18:26:13 <Ulysses223> sorry, got carried away. No bittorent, but I use nicotine as a soulseek client
Dec 25 18:27:03 <abrilc> Ther's no bittorrent client available on os2008?
Dec 25 18:28:15 <Ulysses223> Dunno, you probably can cross-compile a couple of 'em.
Dec 25 18:28:29 <Ulysses223> The original one is written in python, it should'nt be a problem
Dec 25 18:28:53 <Ulysses223> if you don't mind a console based client, you have more options
Dec 25 18:29:46 <abrilc> Gnome-bt-download could be a good point.
Dec 25 18:30:06 <Ulysses223> http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-command-line-bittorrent-client.html
Dec 25 18:30:53 <thopiekar> hi there
Dec 25 18:31:59 <Ulysses223> http://ctorrent.sourceforge.net
Dec 25 18:32:00 <pupnik> moohoo
Dec 25 18:32:12 <pupnik> ctorrent works ok.  rtorrent crashing on me
Dec 25 18:32:20 <thopiekar> somebody german here!?
Dec 25 18:33:21 <thopiekar> *transmission is the torrent-client for N800 eva^^*
Dec 25 18:34:44 <abrilc>  thopiekar , n800 with os2007, no?
Dec 25 18:34:52 <astro76> abrilc, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/transmission/
Dec 25 18:35:03 <abrilc> Uoh!
Dec 25 18:35:37 <thopiekar> n800 with os2008 or os2007 both works
Dec 25 18:35:59 <thopiekar> you can find transmission an the maemo hompage
Dec 25 18:36:02 <thopiekar> ^^
Dec 25 18:36:24 <thopiekar> search at OS2008 first
Dec 25 18:37:18 <thopiekar> is there a gnutella-client for meamo, too??
Dec 25 18:38:46 <abrilc> :D, pardon ne, i'm with the it only now, and i asked here for comfort   excuse me again ;)
Dec 25 18:42:23 <abrilc> Really, i don't know how install without the click install from maemo website yet too. ... :S
Dec 25 18:43:02 <thopiekar> do you want to install transmission now, or what?
Dec 25 18:43:40 <abrilc> Yep
Dec 25 18:44:07 <abrilc> But i don,t have it at my repos...
Dec 25 18:44:49 <thopiekar> go to link http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/transmission/
Dec 25 18:45:42 <thopiekar> now touch Homepage under Links on your N800
Dec 25 18:46:13 <thopiekar> an download this file: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2831/Transmission-0.96.chinook.rev15.deb
Dec 25 18:46:26 <thopiekar> you have got OS2008, right?
Dec 25 18:47:07 <thopiekar> if you have OS2007, download this: https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/2812/Transmission-0.95.bora.rev14.deb
Dec 25 18:47:10 <abrilc> Yep
Dec 25 18:47:16 <Ulysses223> Is there anyone here who downgraded from OS2008 back to OS2007 on the N800? Just curious...
Dec 25 18:47:17 <thopiekar> ready?^^
Dec 25 18:47:33 <thopiekar> yeah me
Dec 25 18:47:54 <abrilc> Yeahh!!
Dec 25 18:47:55 <thopiekar> but the "filerestore" doesn't work
Dec 25 18:47:58 <Ulysses223> Would you mind to tell us why?
Dec 25 18:48:38 <thopiekar> hmm, i don't know
Dec 25 18:49:01 <thopiekar> because of this I Upgraded back to OS2008
Dec 25 18:49:14 <thopiekar> hi tim
Dec 25 18:49:19 <thopiekar> hi all
Dec 25 18:50:00 <thopiekar> Has somebody Canola2 on his/her N800?
Dec 25 18:50:16 <timeless> i know people have installed it, why do you ask?
Dec 25 18:50:24 <thopiekar> I can't get the libarys and phyton-packages
Dec 25 18:50:36 <thopiekar> installed
Dec 25 18:50:47 <timeless> infobot repository.maemo.org deb
Dec 25 18:50:48 <infobot> i heard repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
Dec 25 18:51:01 <timeless> if use that deb, you shouldn't have a problem installing canola2
Dec 25 18:51:08 <thopiekar> does it waork??
Dec 25 18:51:11 <thopiekar> work??
Dec 25 18:51:13 <timeless> feel free to remove the deb at any time
Dec 25 18:51:21 <timeless> i've had a number of satisfied customers :)
Dec 25 18:51:38 <thopiekar> thanks man^^
Dec 25 19:02:20 <thopiekar> timeless , I Installed your deb-package
Dec 25 19:02:33 <thopiekar> but it doesn't work
Dec 25 19:02:43 <thopiekar> do i have to reboot?
Dec 25 19:04:34 <Ulysses223> Does OS2008 has PPTP support? On OS2007 you had to reflash the kernel with MPPE encryption support.
Dec 25 19:06:51 <acydlord> there is a pptp app in one of the repos
Dec 25 19:07:29 <Ulysses223> ok, but do you have to use a 3rd party kernel?
Dec 25 19:07:45 <acydlord> don't believe so, let me check
Dec 25 19:09:53 <acydlord> doesnt look like it needs a special client, installed and ran fine
Dec 25 19:09:59 <acydlord> it's called pptpclient
Dec 25 19:10:31 <Ulysses223> good news, thanks!
Dec 25 19:11:03 <acydlord> it's in the lancode.de repo
Dec 25 19:31:07 <script> damn ... ConIC automatic-events aren't working on OS2006
Dec 25 19:31:10 <RST38h> Anybody knows what I have to do when building a package to make Maemo "find" my application icons ?
Dec 25 19:31:46 <RST38h> Right now I am getting "Icon 'name' not present in theme"
Dec 25 19:32:15 <script> ok .. its named automatic-connection-events there .. *confused*
Dec 25 19:34:04 <script> RST38h: tell your configuration-management to put them into the right place
Dec 25 19:34:30 <script> e.g. /usr/share/icons/hicolor/
Dec 25 19:35:26 <script> RST38h: https://script.shacknet.nu:81/vpnc-gui/trunk/configure.in
Dec 25 19:35:32 <script> not pretty but icons work ;)
Dec 25 19:35:56 <RST38h> I already did
Dec 25 19:36:07 <RST38h> They are there, but still do not show up
Dec 25 19:36:57 <RST38h> Is there anything I have to do other than placing them into those directories?
Dec 25 19:37:40 <script> RST38h: where do you want it to show up? window-manager?
Dec 25 19:39:40 <script> Is there anyone who can confirm a change from "automatic-connection-events" -> "automatic-events" (3.X -> 4.X)
Dec 25 19:39:49 <script> looks like the documnetaion is incorrect
Dec 25 19:40:16 <RST38h> script: the application menu
Dec 25 19:40:32 <RST38h> script: I guess in Extras submenu where my application is
Dec 25 19:41:01 <script> RST38h: do you have a proper desktop file?
Dec 25 19:41:38 <RST38h> yes
Dec 25 19:41:59 <pupnik> with a top hat and tails?
Dec 25 19:42:18 <script> maemo-select-menu-location xyz.desktop?
Dec 25 19:42:38 <script> gtk-update-icon-cache maybe?
Dec 25 19:42:45 <RST38h> done gtk-update
Dec 25 19:42:51 <RST38h> did not do maemo-select-etc
Dec 25 19:43:08 <timelyx> maemo-select is an install thing that merely lets the user pick the folder
Dec 25 19:43:10 <timelyx> it's uninterestin
Dec 25 19:43:19 <sp3000> timelyx: what am I considering in bug 266?
Dec 25 19:44:00 <timelyx> sp3000: the question was do i resolve as FIXED because 2008/microb has what the user wanted
Dec 25 19:44:07 <timelyx> or wontfix because opera isn't being fixed
Dec 25 19:44:12 <script> is there any "standard" way of escaping characters in gconf-keys?
Dec 25 19:44:14 * timelyx picked fixed
Dec 25 19:44:14 <RST38h> Is it ok to paste .desktop file here?
Dec 25 19:44:17 <RST38h> \
Dec 25 19:44:21 <timelyx> RST38h: pastebin.mozilla.org
Dec 25 19:44:22 <script> RST38h: use pastebin instead
Dec 25 19:44:24 <timelyx> or some other pastebin
Dec 25 19:44:25 <RST38h> aha
Dec 25 19:44:59 <RST38h> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/278892
Dec 25 19:45:26 <RST38h> Proper fmsx.png files have been placed into 26x26/hildon, 40x40/hildon, scalable/hildon
Dec 25 19:46:28 <Vulcanis> Anyone here had luck with bluetooth kbs in OS2008?
Dec 25 19:46:50 <timelyx> infobot mxr.maemo.org deb
Dec 25 19:46:51 <infobot> well, mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
Dec 25 19:47:41 <timelyx> RST38h: mxr.maemo.org can be moderately helpful for comparing what others do
Dec 25 19:47:58 <timelyx>  /maemopad-2.1/data/maemopad.desktop,
Dec 25 19:47:58 <timelyx>     * line 8 -- X-Window-Icon=maemopad
Dec 25 19:47:58 <timelyx>     * line 9 -- X-Window-Icon-Dimmed=maemopad
Dec 25 19:48:26 <timelyx>  /maemopad-2.1/data/icons/26x26/maemopad.png
Dec 25 19:48:26 <timelyx>  /maemopad-2.1/data/icons/40x40/maemopad.png
Dec 25 19:48:26 <timelyx>  /maemopad-2.1/data/icons/scalable/maemopad.png
Dec 25 19:49:01 <RST38h> yes, I have seen this many times by now
Dec 25 19:49:25 <RST38h> in fact, you can see that I have copied these lines, just changed icon name
Dec 25 19:49:56 <RST38h> still doesn't work - that's why I am asking
Dec 25 19:53:26 <sp3000> timelyx: hum, http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/maemopadplus/trunk/it2008/ picks the weirdest text
Dec 25 19:54:25 <timelyx> lol
Dec 25 19:55:09 <timelyx> it was supposed to pick the description line
Dec 25 19:55:16 <sp3000> you're expecting a description body?
Dec 25 19:55:27 <timelyx> yes
Dec 25 19:55:35 <timelyx> isn't that a requirement?
Dec 25 19:55:41 * timelyx sighs
Dec 25 19:55:55 <timelyx> i claim that file is buggy
Dec 25 19:56:03 <timelyx> however, yeah, i can try to do something about it
Dec 25 19:56:28 <sp3000> dunno if it's required, but the following like is not a continuation so structurally it's validly not there
Dec 25 19:56:36 <sp3000> s/like/line/
Dec 25 19:56:36 <infobot> sp3000 meant: dunno if it's required, but the following line is not a continuation so structurally it's validly not there
Dec 25 19:57:26 * sp3000 wonders if line 7 is valid
Dec 25 19:57:54 <timelyx> the blank line?
Dec 25 19:57:58 <sp3000> yeah
Dec 25 19:59:00 <sp3000> oh, it's a record separator between the source and package records, nm
Dec 25 19:59:14 <sp3000> I think
Dec 25 19:59:16 * sp3000 shrugs :)
Dec 25 20:04:55 <timelyx> ok, got it
Dec 25 20:05:03 <timelyx> i was expecting foopy: not foo-py:
Dec 25 20:05:25 <timelyx> reload
Dec 25 20:06:26 * timelyx frowns
Dec 25 20:06:38 <timelyx> it doesn't seem like garage should have both it2006 and it2008
Dec 25 20:06:58 <timelyx> whose clever idea was it to have trunk/foo6 and trunk/foo8
Dec 25 20:12:54 <timelyx> sp3000: ok, i've deleted it2006 and it2008, you'll have to use unified to verify it's fixed :)
Dec 25 20:13:11 <timelyx> eww
Dec 25 20:13:13 <timelyx> that's odd
Dec 25 20:13:31 <timelyx> oh
Dec 25 20:13:32 <timelyx> they suck
Dec 25 20:13:45 <timelyx> there's no control file in unified
Dec 25 20:13:52 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage-all/source/maemopadplus/trunk/
Dec 25 20:13:57 <timelyx> use that to verify :)
Dec 25 20:23:12 <timelyx> sp3000: ok, i've fixed the double spacing
Dec 25 20:23:17 <timelyx> that was a stupid thing
Dec 25 20:25:51 <timelyx> sp3000: how's this for a file:
Dec 25 20:25:52 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage-all/source/ephone/trunk/src/handoff/main.h
Dec 25 20:25:54 <timelyx> it's 1 byte :)
Dec 25 20:26:35 <sp3000> clever
Dec 25 20:27:12 <sp3000> oh, they're including it, too :)
Dec 25 20:28:24 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/dsp-alsa/alsa-plugin/debian/
Dec 25 20:28:37 <timelyx> i'm trying to figure out why that stuff is double spaced
Dec 25 20:33:29 <timelyx> ok, i found the problem
Dec 25 20:42:34 <Vulcanis> Has anyone had any luck with bluetooth kbs and OS2008?
Dec 25 20:44:50 <timelyx> Vulcanis: most people seem happy w/ them...
Dec 25 20:45:14 <Vulcanis> I recently bought one of the igo ones, and for some reason pairing keeps failing
Dec 25 20:46:39 <Vulcanis> I believe General reccomended it, so I think it should work
Dec 25 20:48:38 <timelyx> sp3000: how's http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/browser-extras/trunk/dictionaries/ look ?
Dec 25 20:49:31 * timelyx sighs
Dec 25 20:49:34 <timelyx> they suck
Dec 25 20:49:40 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/browser-extras/trunk/dictionaries/
Dec 25 20:49:43 <timelyx> that's so bogus
Dec 25 20:50:32 <timelyx> err
Dec 25 20:50:49 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/browser-extras/trunk/dictionaries/english_british-dictionary/debian/control#13
Dec 25 20:53:24 <timelyx> eep
Dec 25 20:53:26 * timelyx sighs
Dec 25 20:53:33 * timelyx forgot to fix the index
Dec 25 20:59:51 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/pyphantom/trunk/examples/MyImage/MyImage/
Dec 25 20:59:54 <thopiekar> hey timeless, are you there?
Dec 25 20:59:56 <timelyx> 	Parent directory 	- 	Dec 25 10:10 	<insert up to 60 chars description>
Dec 25 21:00:00 <timelyx> thopiekar: yeah
Dec 25 21:01:16 * timelyx sighs
Dec 25 21:01:22 <timelyx> sp3000: check out
Dec 25 21:01:23 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/wlanpos/mapper/trunk/
Dec 25 21:01:26 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/wlanpos/mapper/trunk/debian/
Dec 25 21:01:30 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/wlanpos/mapper/trunk/debian/control#12
Dec 25 21:01:31 <thopiekar> I want to install canola2 , but it doesn't work
Dec 25 21:01:49 <timelyx> thopiekar: load http://repository.maemo.org/xx in the browser on your device
Dec 25 21:01:50 <sp3000> timelyx: :\
Dec 25 21:01:51 <timelyx> what does it say
Dec 25 21:02:08 <timelyx> sp3000: someone clearly didn't read the packaging instructions
Dec 25 21:02:37 <timelyx> sp3000: otoh, overall, w/ very few changes, the parser is a lot better
Dec 25 21:02:41 <timelyx> i still need to fix README
Dec 25 21:02:48 <timelyx> which ends up as README">README :(
Dec 25 21:03:34 <thopiekar> timelyx: the browser says:Sorry, I can't find that file
Dec 25 21:03:58 <timelyx> thopiekar: oh good
Dec 25 21:04:04 <timelyx> ok, so, you probably just need to flush your cache
Dec 25 21:04:15 <timelyx> sp3000 can probably better explain how to do that :)
Dec 25 21:05:17 <thopiekar> timelyx: how can I "flush" my cache?
Dec 25 21:07:20 <sp3000> package cache? I guess that's rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb or "clean apt cache" in redpill mode appmgr settings, or default in normal mode
Dec 25 21:09:25 <timelyx> sp3000: i'm thinking the package lists stuff
Dec 25 21:09:54 <sp3000> does refresh give wrong answers?
Dec 25 21:10:01 <timelyx> dunno :)
Dec 25 21:10:14 <sp3000> i.e. cache hits for broken content?
Dec 25 21:10:43 <sp3000> thopiekar: does it work if you refresh package lists?
Dec 25 21:12:36 <thopiekar> yes
Dec 25 21:13:06 <sp3000> oh, and which of the various "it"s work?
Dec 25 21:14:05 <thopiekar> there are no messages about a problem with a repo
Dec 25 21:14:20 <sp3000> does the install work?
Dec 25 21:14:31 * sp3000 doesn't even know if it works for others :)
Dec 25 21:14:34 <thopiekar> of canola?
Dec 25 21:15:21 <thopiekar> no the installlation of the eva-packages doesn't work
Dec 25 21:16:16 <thopiekar> the installation of the python2.5-runtime works very well
Dec 25 21:18:27 <thopiekar> how can I install the eva-packages now??
Dec 25 21:18:55 <timelyx> thopiekar: give me a few secs
Dec 25 21:19:17 <sp3000> evas?
Dec 25 21:19:31 <timelyx> gah, stupid 199 files
Dec 25 21:19:38 <timelyx> thopiekar: i need to kick a few things
Dec 25 21:20:22 <thopiekar> to get I work or what?
Dec 25 21:20:51 <sp3000> ah, Evas is a hardware-accelerated canvas API for X-Windows that can draw anti-aliased text, smooth super and sub-sampled images, alpha-blend
Dec 25 21:21:08 <timelyx> thopiekar: ok, evas should be available in a minute
Dec 25 21:21:11 <timelyx> try now
Dec 25 21:21:25 <thopiekar> yes and this is needed for canola2
Dec 25 21:22:02 <thopiekar> ok I need to refresh the packagelist now right?
Dec 25 21:22:10 <timelyx> i don't think so
Dec 25 21:22:15 * timelyx shrugs
Dec 25 21:23:11 <|tbb|> could anyone pm me? i would like to know if pidgin sounds work 4 me
Dec 25 21:26:10 <thopiekar> the osso-packagemanager crashed
Dec 25 21:27:25 <thopiekar> I will try I now for a 2th time
Dec 25 21:27:49 <timelyx> heh\
Dec 25 21:30:23 <thopiekar> the installation of libevas0 work I will try the others, too
Dec 25 21:30:56 <timelyx> shouldn't you just install canola2 and let it figure out the depends?
Dec 25 21:31:03 <timelyx> if specific things fail, please let me know, i'll fix them
Dec 25 21:34:09 <thopiekar> the simple installation of canola 2 by installing it with package at the osso-packagemanager fails everytime...
Dec 25 21:34:48 <thopiekar> I will search now which pachage cause this bugg
Dec 25 21:36:04 <timelyx> arg
Dec 25 21:36:05 * timelyx sighs
Dec 25 21:36:09 * timelyx kicks some files
Dec 25 21:38:38 <timelyx> thopiekar: sorry... i need to write a script that monitors file quality to catch these stupid 199s
Dec 25 21:38:48 <timelyx> ok, all the files in the last 5000 hits should be ok
Dec 25 21:39:20 <Jiten> ah, os2008 update server's load seems to have settled :)
Dec 25 21:39:27 <Vulcanis> Does anyone know if the pcsx port works with os2008?
Dec 25 21:39:47 <thopiekar> yeah it works
Dec 25 21:39:56 <thopiekar> I love you all
Dec 25 21:40:05 <thopiekar> yeaaaahhhhh!!!
Dec 25 21:40:05 <timelyx> thopiekar: thanks for helping
Dec 25 21:40:16 <timelyx> satisfied_customers++
Dec 25 21:40:21 <thopiekar> no problem man^^
Dec 25 21:40:41 <thopiekar> thank you too
Dec 25 21:46:39 <timelyx> sp3000: opinions on the 1 line desc for:
Dec 25 21:46:39 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/vpnc/trunk/athena-jot/debian/
Dec 25 21:49:05 <thopiekar> hi there again
Dec 25 21:49:49 <thopiekar> I've got a problem with canola2
Dec 25 21:50:04 <thopiekar> it ddoesn'tt run
Dec 25 21:50:30 <tontsa_> if you start it from xterm do you get any hints
Dec 25 21:50:39 <thopiekar> so I decidet to use the xterm
Dec 25 21:50:49 <thopiekar> hehe
Dec 25 21:50:52 <thopiekar> BusyBox v1.6.1 (2007-09-27 18:08:59 EEST) Built-in shell (ash)
Dec 25 21:50:52 <thopiekar> Enter 'help' for a list of built-in commands.
Dec 25 21:50:52 <thopiekar> ~ $  canola
Dec 25 21:50:52 <thopiekar> Traceback (most recent call last):
Dec 25 21:50:52 <thopiekar>   File "/usr/bin/canola", line 18, in ?
Dec 25 21:50:52 <thopiekar>     import ecore
Dec 25 21:50:54 <thopiekar> ImportError: No module named ecore
Dec 25 21:50:56 <thopiekar> ~ $
Dec 25 21:51:04 <infobot> somebody said $ was a dollar sign
Dec 25 21:51:08 <tontsa_> so you are missing some python dependancy
Dec 25 21:51:25 <thopiekar> what can I do now?
Dec 25 21:52:02 <tontsa_> install python2.5-ecore from mameo Extras
Dec 25 21:52:08 <tontsa_> maemo*
Dec 25 21:52:33 <thopiekar> ok
Dec 25 21:52:44 <|tbb|> could anyone pm me? i would like to know if pidgin sounds work 4 me
Dec 25 21:52:50 <timelyx> odd, it looks like he already got that
Dec 25 21:53:14 <mmr7> erm
Dec 25 21:53:19 <mmr7> any experts online
Dec 25 21:53:28 <timelyx> just us fish
Dec 25 21:53:31 <mmr7> lol
Dec 25 21:53:33 <mmr7> ok
Dec 25 21:53:37 <mmr7> who uses mplayer
Dec 25 21:53:38 <playya> updated the package list?
Dec 25 21:54:04 <|tbb|> for what exactly the dictionary packets under webaddons are?
Dec 25 21:54:18 <timelyx> |tbb|: spell checker?
Dec 25 21:54:38 <mmr7> anyone?
Dec 25 21:54:50 * timelyx doesn't believe in audio/video
Dec 25 21:54:55 <mmr7> okok
Dec 25 21:55:00 <mmr7> but anyone else
Dec 25 21:55:12 <thopiekar> tontsa_: python2.5-ecore is installed
Dec 25 21:55:13 <|tbb|> while writing emails under web interface?
Dec 25 21:55:30 <tontsa_> thopiekar, i guess something has gone awfully wrong then
Dec 25 21:55:38 <timelyx> |tbb|: or bug comments, or blogs
Dec 25 21:55:47 <|tbb|> k
Dec 25 21:56:02 <mmr7> come on
Dec 25 21:56:11 <mmr7> anyone?
Dec 25 21:56:22 <timelyx> sp3000: something's wrong here :(
Dec 25 21:56:23 <timelyx> http://mxr.maemo.org/garage/source/maemoexamples/trunk/
Dec 25 21:56:38 <thopiekar> tontsa_: reinstall?
Dec 25 21:56:39 <K`zan> 404
Dec 25 21:57:03 <tontsa_> thopiekar, you might run into dependancy jungle.. worth a try though
Dec 25 21:57:28 <timelyx> tontsa_: does python have a cache?
Dec 25 21:57:43 <tontsa_> not that i know of
Dec 25 21:57:46 <mmr7> alright so noone then
Dec 25 21:58:09 <tontsa_> but if this is related to your dnshack, the dnsmasq has cache
Dec 25 21:59:03 <sp3000> timelyx: athena looks fine?
Dec 25 21:59:08 <sp3000> what's with examples?
Dec 25 21:59:33 <timelyx> sp3000: for some reason the line counting stuff broke i think
Dec 25 21:59:40 <|tbb|> i would  like to install om weather but before it downloads it progmanager says installfile corrupt,any idea whats wrong?
Dec 25 21:59:43 <sp3000> hm, README">README!!!
Dec 25 21:59:44 <timelyx> there's supposed to be a cutoff
Dec 25 21:59:50 <timelyx> sp3000: that's the oldest bug in the book
Dec 25 22:00:18 <sp3000> it did cut off, but should it do that sooner?
Dec 25 22:01:31 <timelyx> it did cut off? heh
Dec 25 22:02:33 <timelyx> sp3000: oh
Dec 25 22:02:57 <thopiekar> what about the python2.55-ecore bug
Dec 25 22:03:07 <thopiekar> how can I fixx it?
Dec 25 22:03:17 <timelyx> it thinks that's one "paragraph" :)
Dec 25 22:03:41 <timelyx> thopiekar: you need someone who understands python
Dec 25 22:04:17 <timelyx> sp3000: i suppose i could try to check the next "paragraphs" and see if they're "shorter" :)
Dec 25 22:04:44 <thopiekar> hey there! is there someone, who understands python?
Dec 25 22:04:55 <thopiekar> ^^
Dec 25 22:05:09 <sp3000> timelyx: meh, the others aren't better
Dec 25 22:05:51 <sp3000> just cut off the "paragraph" if it gets rambly I suppose
Dec 25 22:06:04 <thopiekar> is maybe sometimee wrong with the package??
Dec 25 22:07:29 <thopiekar> *something
Dec 25 22:19:03 <timeless> hi bergie
Dec 25 22:23:05 <timeless> sp3000: ok
Dec 25 22:24:32 <Jiten> hmmh, maemo-extras doesn't seem to work for itos2008... timelyx, is that what your repository is for?
Dec 25 22:24:56 <timeless> jiten: my repo should handle extras, extras-devel and normal
Dec 25 22:24:58 <timeless> but nothing else
Dec 25 22:25:09 <timeless> and only for chinook, bora, and gregale
Dec 25 22:25:58 <Giove> hello
Dec 25 22:26:18 <timeless> jiten: anyway, if you have problems w/ my repo, let me know
Dec 25 22:26:36 <Giove> anyone know if maemo server are down?
Dec 25 22:26:45 <Giove> i can't download application list
Dec 25 22:26:51 <|tbb|> is it possible to change the shortcuts of microb like ctrl+l for open another url, for some keystrokes ihate the ctrl key on the right side of n810 hardware keyboard. if i could use it like the fn button it were nice. like hitting ctrl once its like pushed until next keystroke and hitting it twice it works like caps lock
Dec 25 22:26:54 <timeless> ask bergie :)
Dec 25 22:26:58 <timeless> that's his mess :)
Dec 25 22:27:03 <timeless> giove: wait
Dec 25 22:27:08 <timeless> do you mean maemo.org/downloads
Dec 25 22:27:12 <timeless> or application manager
Dec 25 22:27:25 <Giove> from application manager of mine n810
Dec 25 22:27:34 <timeless> infobot repository.maemo.org deb
Dec 25 22:27:35 <Giove> i got lots of catalogue
Dec 25 22:27:35 <infobot> repository.maemo.org deb is probably unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
Dec 25 22:27:37 <timeless> giove: try that
Dec 25 22:27:42 <Veggen> hmm. anyone using gpe/opensync ?
Dec 25 22:27:48 <Veggen> ...is it any good?
Dec 25 22:28:05 <Giove> can i query you time?
Dec 25 22:28:17 <Veggen> me? sure.
Dec 25 22:28:28 <Giove> timeless?
Dec 25 22:28:44 <timeless> giove: i can't respond
Dec 25 22:28:48 <timeless> so it's not worth it
Dec 25 22:29:03 <Giove> you wrote me a server?
Dec 25 22:29:08 <Giove> called infobot?
Dec 25 22:30:06 <|tbb|> anyone knows if its possible
Dec 25 22:30:07 <timeless> just load the url
Dec 25 22:30:23 <Giove> from my n810?
Dec 25 22:30:26 <timeless> yes
Dec 25 22:34:12 <timeless> |tbb| hrm
Dec 25 22:34:19 <timeless> i thought that was managed in control panel
Dec 25 22:35:11 <|tbb|> what exactly the ctrl thing? or the webbrowser part
Dec 25 22:35:39 <timeless> browser part
Dec 25 22:35:52 <timeless> making the hardware behave differently is beyond me
Dec 25 22:38:08 <|tbb|> for browser part do u mean about:config or elswere
Dec 25 22:38:16 <timeless> control panel
Dec 25 22:38:33 <Giove> only me got unautorized acces from application manager?
Dec 25 22:38:33 * timeless thought they added some ui for redoing keybindings
Dec 25 22:38:48 <timeless> giove: did you install that deb?
Dec 25 22:39:13 <Giove> i wrote on the app manager "new catalogue"
Dec 25 22:39:29 <Giove> at url i wrote http://infobot repositiry deb
Dec 25 22:39:39 <Giove> repository... deb
Dec 25 22:39:44 <Giove> think he istalled some
Dec 25 22:39:52 <Giove> but i still missing lots of libs
Dec 25 22:40:00 <|tbb|> timeless: do u mean there is something out for keyrebindings?
Dec 25 22:40:03 <Giove> libmad0 for example
Dec 25 22:40:22 <timeless> tbb: i thought there was
Dec 25 22:40:33 <timeless> giove: hold on
Dec 25 22:42:52 <timeless> so, that should be in extras-devel
Dec 25 22:43:10 <Giove> yes
Dec 25 22:43:21 <timeless> ok, i seem to be missing it
Dec 25 22:43:22 <timeless> give me 5
Dec 25 22:43:28 <Giove> and i added the catalogue of extra-devel
Dec 25 22:43:33 <Giove> but n810 tell me
Dec 25 22:43:40 <Giove> unautorized access
Dec 25 22:43:47 <Giove> and i can't download :/
Dec 25 22:43:51 <timeless> hrm
Dec 25 22:43:55 * timeless is confused
Dec 25 22:44:56 <Giove> maemo extra devel (401 unauthorized)
Dec 25 22:45:39 <Giove> (i just reistalled the 2008 update, so i lost all my application and now i can't get it back :/)
Dec 25 22:46:33 <timeless> ouch
Dec 25 22:46:40 <|tbb|> timeless nothing found on keybinding ui on irclog
Dec 25 22:46:42 <timeless> google bot is indexing me
Dec 25 22:48:22 <|tbb|> also nothing found about changing shortcuts for microb under control panel
Dec 25 22:48:37 <K`zan> Hey folks is there any reason I should not install the new 2008 release?
Dec 25 22:48:59 <tontsa_> K`zan, wait till xmas/new year is over and repos work properly
Dec 25 22:49:05 <K`zan> And are 2008 apps compatible with this release.
Dec 25 22:49:08 <tontsa_> or you can try the timelynx mirror
Dec 25 22:49:38 <tontsa_> all the apps i've tried on my n810 have worked well
Dec 25 22:49:49 <K`zan> tontsa_: ah, OK, couple questions for ignorance dispellation, if I may.
Dec 25 22:49:59 <timeless> 2008 should be compatible w/ 2008
Dec 25 22:50:01 <K`zan> n800 here.
Dec 25 22:50:21 <timeless> so if you think you can reinstall what you need, yes, upgrade
Dec 25 22:50:28 <tontsa_> no idea what's compatible with what. i've had the 2008 from the beginning
Dec 25 22:50:31 <K`zan> I am *assuming* :-) that this is a wipe/re-install as far as apps go
Dec 25 22:50:39 <timeless> yes
Dec 25 22:50:47 <K`zan> OK, thanks.
Dec 25 22:50:56 <K`zan> Need to make a list and check it twice :-)
Dec 25 22:50:58 <timeless> as far as everything goes
Dec 25 22:51:16 <Giove> extra and extra-devel will come back online?
Dec 25 22:51:20 <timeless> all normal file system stuff goes bye bye
Dec 25 22:51:26 <K`zan> Does a backup retain repositories or do I have to re-install all those also?
Dec 25 22:51:29 <timeless> giove: so, um...
Dec 25 22:51:43 <K`zan> Sorry, a bit ignorant about embedded linux.
Dec 25 22:51:44 <Giove> only me can't acces?
Dec 25 22:51:46 <timeless> k`zan: it should save repositories
Dec 25 22:51:57 <timeless> but ironically, it won't restore the ones that are disabled by default
Dec 25 22:51:59 <timeless> or something like that
Dec 25 22:52:04 <K`zan> timeless: Appreciate that.
Dec 25 22:52:16 <tontsa_>  K`zan, the backup is quite crude.. it will overwrite lots of stuff that shouldn't be
Dec 25 22:52:22 <timeless> so you need to restore them first
Dec 25 22:52:30 <timeless> and i'd request that you not restore from backup
Dec 25 22:52:35 <timeless> and please don't ask why
Dec 25 22:52:35 <tontsa_> so backup and then restore on diffrent os-version will get you funny stuff
Dec 25 22:52:43 <|tbb|> timeless heard what i said?
Dec 25 22:52:44 <K`zan> Working with wincrap for all those decades has me a bit leary of wipe/re-installs (more burned out than leery :-).
Dec 25 22:52:56 <timeless> tbb: yeah, sorry, my n810s are in a bag
Dec 25 22:53:03 <timeless> and i'm watching a movie and thinking about other things
Dec 25 22:53:23 <timeless> movie=blown away
Dec 25 22:53:25 <K`zan> I guess I'll hold off on trying to figure out mplayer then.
Dec 25 22:53:41 <Giove> but pls answare me :P
Dec 25 22:53:56 <Giove> repository is temporary down?
Dec 25 22:54:05 <Giove> atlest some directory
Dec 25 22:54:25 <Giove> why i will get 401 unauthorized?
Dec 25 22:55:00 <timeless> giove: afaict you haven't grabbed my repository-maemo-org-dns
Dec 25 22:55:02 <timeless> try it?
Dec 25 22:55:17 <Giove> i added it
Dec 25 22:55:26 <Giove> i think right
Dec 25 22:55:29 <Giove> but i'm not sure
Dec 25 22:55:37 <Giove> i can create a new catalogue
Dec 25 22:55:48 <timeless> load http://repository.maemo.org/xx
Dec 25 22:55:49 <|tbb|> timeless thanks anyway, if u got time or if u seen something could help then please let me know it
Dec 25 22:56:01 <timeless> giove: what does it say?
Dec 25 22:56:17 <Giove> you wrote a different link
Dec 25 22:56:24 <Giove> need to add infobot?
Dec 25 22:56:28 <timeless> no
Dec 25 22:56:36 <timeless> if you install the deb from infobot
Dec 25 22:56:41 <timeless> then the url i just wrote above
Dec 25 22:56:44 <timeless> should change what it says
Dec 25 22:56:56 <timeless> because it's a different server
Dec 25 22:56:57 <Giove> roger
Dec 25 22:57:18 <Giove> i was adding the server direclty from catalogue :/
Dec 25 22:57:26 <Giove> sorry i'm noob :P
Dec 25 22:57:26 <timeless> oh, don't do that
Dec 25 22:57:41 <timeless> the deb url replaces dns for the default repos
Dec 25 22:59:32 <|tbb|> found a bug dont know how to solve it, the well known written words or something from the dictonary cant be selected anymore
Dec 25 22:59:48 <Giove> i'm on repository.maemo.org
Dec 25 22:59:57 <Giove> but where is infobot?
Dec 25 22:59:59 <Giove> deb?
Dec 25 23:00:20 <timeless> infobot repository.maemo.org deb
Dec 25 23:00:22 <infobot> i heard repository.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/repository-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb
Dec 25 23:03:27 <timeless> oh
Dec 25 23:03:29 * timeless sighs
Dec 25 23:03:37 <timeless> the browser we have probably caches dns
Dec 25 23:03:54 <timeless> so you might need to quit it after installing the deb if you want to test w/ the browser
Dec 25 23:03:57 * timeless sighs
Dec 25 23:04:15 <Giove> tnx timelees :P
Dec 25 23:04:46 <Jiten> the browser on itos2008 seems to be a bit jerky when I pan the page around by draggin with the stylus. I mean it jumps back and forth.
Dec 25 23:06:09 <Giove> its blocked at 742kb downloaded
Dec 25 23:06:11 <timeless> jiten: hopefully the next system release will improve that
Dec 25 23:06:49 <Giove> its normla time waiting to list the apps?
Dec 25 23:07:01 <Giove> *normal
Dec 25 23:07:02 <timeless> one of the kernel/x needs a fix, plus a fix to the browser to remove a hack
Dec 25 23:08:23 <skibur> I need Abiword on os2008
Dec 25 23:08:27 <skibur> :p
Dec 25 23:10:22 <Giove> timeless you are my hero :P
Dec 25 23:12:05 <Giove> 1 more question :)
Dec 25 23:12:15 <Giove> do you knwo why i can't install skype?
Dec 25 23:12:20 <timeless> skibur: it's only available for 2007 :)
Dec 25 23:12:37 <Giove> it start downloading and at the and i got the error
Dec 25 23:12:38 <Giove> :/
Dec 25 23:12:43 <Jiten> what's this skype icon doing in the menus then?
Dec 25 23:12:54 <timeless> jiten: it basically starts application manager
Dec 25 23:13:01 <timeless> it's an installer stub :)
Dec 25 23:13:07 <Giove> yes i know :P
Dec 25 23:13:16 <Giove> but think package is boken :/
Dec 25 23:13:43 <timeless> giove: that's another server
Dec 25 23:13:48 <timeless> i'm not willing to mirror it
Dec 25 23:13:54 <Giove> roger
Dec 25 23:13:57 <Giove> i will wait so :P
Dec 25 23:17:12 <timeless> try gizmo :)
Dec 25 23:17:25 <timeless> i'm told it supports video :)
Dec 25 23:17:52 <Giove> but i can't usemy skype contact right?
Dec 25 23:18:00 <timeless> right
Dec 25 23:18:04 <Giove> gizmo is alredy installed :P
Dec 25 23:33:19 <unique311> jaffa, did you have success in building nasm?
Dec 25 23:38:35 <Giove> timeless you always here?
Dec 25 23:39:23 <Giove> :( no more :P
Dec 25 23:40:25 <Giove> i'm missing samba-common
Dec 25 23:40:27 <Giove> :/
Dec 25 23:40:39 <Giove> it should be on you package mirroring :/
Dec 25 23:42:59 <timeless> 8 migth crash tomorrow
Dec 25 23:44:35 <Giove> have you a link to download samba-common?
Dec 26 01:11:34 <blackd0t> Hi guys!
Dec 26 01:12:44 <blackd0t> I can't find a working version of ettercap anywhere for N770/800, does anyone know where I should look for it? Arpspoof from dsniff package seems to not work as it should for arp poisoning :/
Dec 26 01:13:06 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwPb_vunkQY   p&|a  mockup: buttons and usability study // this is how you do it.
Dec 26 01:14:35 <GNUton> Hi
Dec 26 01:16:13 <blackd0t> So anyone had any experience with successful arp poisoning actions from the n800 ?
Dec 26 01:38:17 <derf> What the gekk... I added my application to downloads.maemo.org's OS 2008 database last night, and now it's not there.
Dec 26 01:38:43 <derf> And the latest date in the "Fresh" list is 2007-11-21.
Dec 26 01:44:01 <kuzew> Hello, how does one enable the use of hidd under OS2008?
Dec 26 01:46:38 <kuzew> Im trying to get my mouse to work with my n800
Dec 26 01:46:48 <kuzew> Just for the fun of it
Dec 26 01:55:03 <blackd0t> So anyone knows if there is an ettercap port somewhere for n770/800 ?
Dec 26 02:03:23 <pupnik> hmrm
Dec 26 02:03:33 <pupnik> not ever seen one mentioned
Dec 26 02:03:58 <blackd0t> That's weird because it's a very useful tool that I often use on my laptop
Dec 26 02:04:52 <blackd0t> And noone ever mentions it on any forum
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