**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 29 02:59:56 2007 Dec 29 03:03:36 I've been told to wait on updating / adding anything until at least the beginning of the year... Dec 29 03:04:42 pierlux: foo.maemo.org worked for me yesterday Dec 29 03:05:07 pierlux: check your backlog in #webkit-gtk ;-) Dec 29 03:19:43 <|R> also repostory instead of repository (no "i") Dec 29 06:34:20 someone used fuse and sshfs? Dec 29 06:51:25 eveyone's so chatty Dec 29 06:55:26 I see in /topic that the repository debs are broken, but I just got my N800 for Christmas and I'm trying to set up the development environment on my computer--are there any mirrors? Dec 29 06:59:48 check the thread on ITT Dec 29 06:59:48 timeless rolled a deb with some alternate ips Dec 29 06:59:53 one sec Dec 29 06:59:56 cmatheson, try this: Dec 29 07:00:00 66.33.212.254 repository.maemo.org Dec 29 07:00:02 in /etc/hosts Dec 29 07:00:43 any better? Dec 29 07:04:47 howdy Dec 29 07:05:29 after messing with the SDK for a couple days, I finally got my n800 today. Dec 29 07:05:36 woot Dec 29 07:08:16 Luria: sorry, got busy doing something else there for a second--i'm putting that in right now, thanks Dec 29 07:08:37 mooo Dec 29 07:08:48 ugh, whoops Dec 29 07:08:53 anyone know why on os2008 instead of the onscreen keyboard, I only nget this thin suggestion bar? Dec 29 07:09:05 and can't bring the onscreen back? Dec 29 07:09:32 it tujrned on when I started using my bt keyboard, which is fine, but it's not going away Dec 29 07:10:19 maybe its on handwriting mode? Dec 29 07:10:30 otherwise just try tapping the text field again Dec 29 07:10:32 Luria: hmm, it's still giving me the same errors--is it possible that it's caching the DNS from my previous attempts or something? Dec 29 07:11:28 Vulcanis: tried. doesn't work. Dec 29 07:11:39 try finger-tapping it, then Dec 29 07:11:47 see if that'll bring up the fingerboard Dec 29 07:11:52 otherwise, see if turning off bluetooth helps it Dec 29 07:12:03 it could be because it is currently paired with a BT keyboard Dec 29 07:13:31 tried and it doesn't work Dec 29 07:13:46 I think it thinks I have an n810 Dec 29 07:14:09 turning off bt didn't help Dec 29 07:15:11 it's just this very thin bar that shows suggestions Dec 29 07:15:20 so it's not in handwriting mode Dec 29 07:16:19 n810 has the finger osk too, I believe Dec 29 07:16:22 so, hmm Dec 29 07:16:24 try restarting it Dec 29 07:16:30 what program are you trying to do it in? Dec 29 07:17:20 i dont suppose anyone here has rolled a vim deb? Dec 29 07:20:31 there should be one on maemo.org Dec 29 07:21:09 I'm trying it in web, xterm Dec 29 07:21:20 I'll try restarting Dec 29 07:21:37 should as in ought to be or should as in "i saw it there" :-) Dec 29 07:21:54 luria: Dunno about OS2008, but theres an OS2007 one that you can probably install with redpillmode Dec 29 07:22:16 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/vim/ Dec 29 07:22:24 hmm, i tried that once and it failed Dec 29 07:22:31 ill give it another shot Dec 29 07:22:32 oop, theres an OS2008 one, too Dec 29 07:22:43 yeah, the repos are shot Dec 29 07:22:49 though, you might be able to find a mirror Dec 29 07:22:53 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/vim/ Dec 29 07:23:00 I have not tried downloading anything recently, so dunn Dec 29 07:23:01 o Dec 29 07:23:16 hmm, lesse. Dec 29 07:23:39 thanks for the heads up - could have sworn i checked earlier today Dec 29 07:24:04 now if you could point me to abiword, my life would be complete :-) Dec 29 07:30:43 luria: Don't know if there is a working abiword port for 08 Dec 29 07:32:02 yeah, was hoping the coming soon was sooner than it seems to be Dec 29 07:32:42 yikes, lagged Dec 29 07:33:50 and without a linux/dev box handy i can follow the x-compile from source instructions Dec 29 09:42:31 <[mbm]> anyone know the default lock code on the n800? "12345" didn't work Dec 29 09:44:18 I think the default is that 12345.. Dec 29 09:44:52 yeah, default is 12345 Dec 29 09:45:18 <[mbm]> got myself stuck in a situation where it keeps asing for the code but I don't remember ever setting it and 12345 didn't work Dec 29 09:48:11 <[mbm]> alternatively, I can try creating a custom initrd that nukes the code, but first I'd need to figure out where it stores that Dec 29 09:57:49 <[mbm]> got it .. something I had set years ago when I first got the n800 Dec 29 10:48:40 Aloha! Dec 29 11:21:29 are they going to fix repository.maemo.org? Dec 29 11:21:35 it is broken for ages... Dec 29 11:24:30 svu: have you tried with repostory.maemo.org ? Without the 'i'? Dec 29 11:29:48 sbaturzio: not. Never heard of it. what is it? Dec 29 11:30:08 svu_: there is a temporary workaround for that repository Dec 29 11:30:32 just remove the 'i' and try to update your N8x0 Dec 29 11:30:54 sbaturzio: ugh.... but if I am going to install sdk - I have to fix the script as well, don't I? Dec 29 11:31:14 don't know if the SDK installation is affected Dec 29 11:31:21 affected, unfortunately Dec 29 11:31:36 argh...that's not good Dec 29 11:33:33 not good at all Dec 29 11:34:34 svu_: mmm..and creating an alias in /etc/hosts ? something like "repository.maemo.org ip_if_repostory.maemo.org" ? Dec 29 11:34:56 well, I'll try. good idea Dec 29 12:06:14 hi Dec 29 12:18:36 Just got a new N800... Upgraded to os2008. Charged ok. Now plugging in the charger - I'm not getting the battery indicator to show that it's "CHARGING".... Anyone had a similar problem? Dec 29 12:18:56 Does it normally show "charging"? Dec 29 12:18:59 isn't it because it's charged ? Dec 29 12:19:16 guardian: it's not charged - it's half full. Dec 29 12:19:32 guardian: I've used it for around a day, after charging. Dec 29 12:19:46 guardian: then again, maybe it's half emty :-) Dec 29 12:20:06 i don't remember how it behaves and i don't have my device here, sorry Dec 29 12:20:30 i'm stuck reinstalling the sdk because of repository.maemo.org problems :( Dec 29 12:20:43 Anyone can confirm that it shows some "charging" messge? Dec 29 12:20:55 guardian: I installed it last night :-) Dec 29 12:21:29 mine says charging when its switched off Dec 29 12:22:20 Bodhi2: Does the message stay on screen? Dec 29 12:22:27 y Dec 29 12:23:19 when its off Dec 29 12:30:49 baho, at leasst in the default set of icons, the battery icon in the statusbar will animate while charging Dec 29 13:07:34 damn, the trick with "repostory" in /etc/hosts does not work - it is same ip as "repository" Dec 29 14:21:25 :) Dec 29 14:23:28 svu_, x.maemo.org (except where x = repository) still points to stage.maemo.org here Dec 29 14:24:05 astro76: it is not trivial to hack the SDK installation script to use something else... Dec 29 14:24:39 oh I dunno, just saying it's not the same IP here Dec 29 14:29:21 Aloha! Dec 29 14:33:57 hello Dec 29 14:34:42 the "theme maker" in garage.maemo.org for N800+OS2008, works or not? Dec 29 14:40:34 hi, any idea where I could start my own X11 app in maemo ? what initscsript should I edit ? Dec 29 14:56:24 does anyone know what script do I need to call in order to establish a wlan connection automatically ? Dec 29 15:08:05 how can I select the default wlan connection ? Dec 29 15:09:47 benno2_, repeating yourself three times isn't going to get you an answer. Dec 29 15:11:08 I played with my n770 long ago and seem to recall a menu where I could set the preferrent connection. now I updated to OS2006 and I see only a connect automatically to wlan Dec 29 15:11:13 but it does not say to which one Dec 29 15:12:04 benno2_, preferred connections are those that are "saved" They'll have a green tick icon beside them in the connection selection dialog. Dec 29 15:12:13 thanks Dec 29 15:12:29 so if I save only one connection it should work Dec 29 15:12:39 I guess, Dec 29 15:13:20 If it doesn't you'll either have to update to 2007HE, or, write a script that uses LibConIc. Dec 29 15:13:24 my n770 is 2y old but still nice, eager to try the n800/810 :) Dec 29 15:13:53 They're a vast improvement over the 770 Dec 29 15:15:38 The Nokia 770 is still a nice device in it's own right though. Dec 29 15:15:55 I wish those ubuntu mobile kids would get their act together and come up with something nice for it. Dec 29 15:16:28 :) btw is skype for OS2008 available ? Dec 29 15:17:08 Yes, as far as I know. Dec 29 15:17:49 cool. and I heard SIP video calls work well too (x-lite on the PC side) Dec 29 15:18:14 no video on os2008 skype Dec 29 15:18:20 Yeah, I've not really got into that side of the tablets yet :) Dec 29 15:18:32 benno2_, yeah, gizmo works well too with video Dec 29 15:18:35 yes but it works using the OS2008 sip client Dec 29 15:18:42 indeed Dec 29 15:18:52 Hi, just loaded up os2008 on my n800 but i cant detect my 3.5 usb hdd. Im not sure if this would work sinCe i only used a usb hub Dec 29 15:19:17 maszo, you'll need to inject power Dec 29 15:19:59 Hmmm. Will a powered hub work? Dec 29 15:20:12 maszo, yes a powered hub will work. Are you using a proper OTG cable? Dec 29 15:20:16 Or a gender bender? Dec 29 15:22:40 Hmmm dunno, i just used the cable that came with the box Dec 29 15:23:00 svu: what are you trying to install? Dec 29 15:23:00 How do you plug that into the HUB? Dec 29 15:24:09 * DRoBeR is away: out of order Dec 29 15:24:15 Ohhh. Cant i just use any of the ports there? Dec 29 15:24:58 I guess i really need an adapter if thats the case? Dec 29 15:25:47 Yes Dec 29 15:26:07 You can't just plug the lead into the HUB like a peripheral .. It needs to be attached to the host connector .. Dec 29 15:27:21 Ic... I thoght any of the ports will do. Bummer. Will get one tommorow then. Thanks! Dec 29 15:39:59 is there a way to stop Xomap without having it restart the N800 and without editing x-server in init.d? Dec 29 15:42:53 * timelyx would assume Xomap is life guarded => device reboots if it dies Dec 29 15:43:18 set somewhere is sudo? Dec 29 15:43:36 ? Dec 29 15:44:06 any linux should work whatever happens to X Dec 29 15:46:47 zoran, script in x-server sets the N800 to restart if Xomap is killed. I was hoping for a way to stop it restarting without altering the script. Dec 29 15:47:06 timelyx, aye - that's the case Dec 29 15:47:23 yabbas: if you enable r&d mode, most if not all of life guarding goes away Dec 29 15:47:23 yabbas, so the daemon? Dec 29 15:48:22 yabbas, should it be just temporary? one time only? Dec 29 15:48:23 timelyx, tbh - I'm wanting to kill it nicely, then restart it with args that enable me to use a mouse device other than tslib. Dec 29 15:48:35 zoran, yup Dec 29 15:49:01 yabbas: i don't see what's wrong w/ rewriting the initscripts and rebooting Dec 29 15:49:22 maybe pointer, soft link and kill -HUP or how it is called Dec 29 15:49:50 timelyx, don't want it screwing up people's tablets should the worst happen :) Dec 29 15:50:09 yabbas: so test it welll :) Dec 29 15:50:29 cp file file.backup Dec 29 15:50:45 chanage file Dec 29 15:50:55 then in init.d restart Dec 29 15:52:21 doesn't "touch /etc/no_lg_reboots" do the trick anymore? Dec 29 15:53:14 never saw such a file Dec 29 15:53:24 could you pase it? Dec 29 15:53:37 *paste Dec 29 15:53:57 just try creating that file Dec 29 15:54:41 it makes file with 0 size and no exe perms Dec 29 15:54:54 the name down't matter Dec 29 15:55:00 *doesn't Dec 29 15:55:13 the date matters Dec 29 15:56:36 wnd: that sounds pretty cool. got any refs for that? Dec 29 15:57:19 wnd, yes, explain it further, please Dec 29 15:57:29 irc logs and vague memories ;-) Dec 29 15:58:03 short life and no memories Dec 29 15:58:19 wnd: it works ;) Dec 29 15:58:23 ty Dec 29 15:58:51 * yabbas wishes he knew of all the hidden shizzle here Dec 29 15:58:51 remember to delete that file when you're done Dec 29 15:59:11 so, something looks for that file? Dec 29 15:59:18 wnd: aye, _much_ better than faffage with various scripts Dec 29 16:13:35 sp3000, apearantly it's a caching issue, if you use 'stage.maemo.org' it gets around the problem .. Dec 29 16:18:32 morning timelyx Dec 29 16:22:47 any word on when the developer discount codes will be working for n810 purchases? Dec 29 16:22:54 I've been on travel and haven't seen any mention Dec 29 16:23:01 nothing Dec 29 16:23:19 ajturner, last saturday. Dec 29 16:23:32 Hi :) Dec 29 16:23:46 alterego: as in they'll work now (as of last Saturday)? Dec 29 16:23:48 excellent Dec 29 16:23:58 No, they should have been working last saturday. Dec 29 16:24:01 But they're not :P Dec 29 16:24:21 How can I move applets on the desktop on OS2008? In the destop (home) menu I see only configure and select applets. Dec 29 16:24:23 We're all waiting for the email saying they're active .. Dec 29 16:24:44 rdorsch: just grab them Dec 29 16:24:45 ah, right, was supposed to be Dec 15, Dec 29 16:24:47 bah Dec 29 16:26:05 sp3000: what do you mean with grab? When I e.g. touch "First steps" (or similar in English) it starts a Video. Dec 29 16:26:18 drag Dec 29 16:26:29 as in stylus down and move Dec 29 16:26:55 sp3000: works, thanks. Dec 29 16:34:45 * czr peeks Dec 29 16:35:12 czr, ! Dec 29 16:35:18 Have a good Christmas? Dec 29 16:35:19 hey alterego :-) Dec 29 16:35:27 yup, still on-going-process really Dec 29 16:35:29 you? Dec 29 16:35:39 Yeah, was good. Dec 29 16:35:48 Preparing myself for new years .. Dec 29 16:35:57 you're making a suit? :-) Dec 29 16:37:06 No, Dec 29 16:37:17 Just detoxing before the inevitable drinking :/ Dec 29 16:37:29 I'm going to try and stay as sober as possible. Dec 29 16:37:31 heh. I'm safe this year I think Dec 29 16:37:56 spending time with family anyway, not too much drinking that can be done. I don't want them to know the levels of alcoholism that I've attained Dec 29 16:38:18 Hah Dec 29 16:38:31 I'm going to a big party. Dec 29 16:38:57 Probably the last time I do anything super massive .. Dec 29 16:39:05 Well, that and my Birthday in April. Dec 29 16:39:38 ah, cool. you'll turn 50 finally? Dec 29 16:43:01 25 :P Dec 29 16:43:34 well, I was 50% correct then :-) Dec 29 16:44:04 Wouldn't that make me 100? Dec 29 16:46:26 alterego, depends on which side of 50% we're talking about :-) Dec 29 16:46:51 Heh Dec 29 16:49:39 You could look at it the other way. You were 200% right .. Dec 29 16:50:12 you don't want to me to be that much right. I'd turn nonbearable :-) Dec 29 16:50:38 Heh Dec 29 16:50:52 I could get started on your grammer :P Dec 29 16:51:57 you could! Dec 29 16:51:59 or on your spelling :-) Dec 29 16:52:07 Heh Dec 29 16:52:24 I didn't want to insult both. Spelling was going to be my fallback plan :P Dec 29 16:52:37 alterego, he meant your speling :-) Dec 29 16:52:46 Yes, my speling is bad. Dec 29 16:52:55 It's almost nonbearable. Dec 29 16:52:55 * czr learns alterego some new spels Dec 29 16:53:01 unpossible Dec 29 16:53:20 implus? Dec 29 16:53:32 maybe Dec 29 16:53:36 * czr fires up google for 'implus' Dec 29 16:54:15 unpossible is questonable too :) Dec 29 16:54:46 to queston or not to queston. Dec 29 16:54:51 zoran, I think that was the point :P Dec 29 16:55:04 ;) Dec 29 16:55:19 hmmm - is there the equivelant of an xorg.conf for xomap? Dec 29 16:55:46 kdrive servers don't have configs Dec 29 16:55:53 at least not that I know Dec 29 16:55:57 it's not so easy not to make a mistake on small stylus kb Dec 29 16:56:01 they're configured during build-time Dec 29 16:56:11 damn :( Dec 29 16:57:02 do I need flasher v3 for OS2008 on Mac (n800) Dec 29 16:57:03 ? Dec 29 16:57:06 There is a certain amount of configuration options available on the command line. Dec 29 16:57:34 and 2 much sudo ones Dec 29 16:57:46 czr, and I take it nokia build the xserver by default without mouse support :-/ Dec 29 16:59:03 I thought there was mouse support .. Dec 29 16:59:13 But I could be wrong. Dec 29 16:59:15 yabbas, not sure. I'd think there's support for pointer devices and linux evdev Dec 29 16:59:25 and the touch screen thingy is implemented using evdev Dec 29 16:59:40 so that'd cover normal mice as well (as long as there'd be a driver in the kernel for the mouse) Dec 29 16:59:52 the args start xomap using -mouse tslib Dec 29 17:00:26 tried -mouse evdev but it didn't like it Dec 29 17:00:48 hmm Dec 29 17:00:52 not sure about the config though Dec 29 17:01:03 * yabbas nods Dec 29 17:01:05 need to run now though Dec 29 17:01:18 later alterego and all you other grammerquestoniers Dec 29 17:01:28 :) Dec 29 17:05:24 /////z Dec 29 17:24:32 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=117343#post117343 what a tease. Dec 29 17:33:03 Heh Dec 29 17:39:02 Hi guys Dec 29 17:40:09 I've installed wesnoth game on a 770 tablet Dec 29 17:40:56 But i can't launch Dec 29 17:41:17 Where is executable ? Dec 29 17:51:38 alterego, how were you planning on implementing the dbus listeners in ruby? ive been pondering dbus-monitor output and how i could grab it.. need some ideas Dec 29 18:21:39 any idea if one can set/unset the R&D mode on the n770 using a windows tool ? Dec 29 18:32:35 benno2_: I think one can not. But I'm really not sure about that.. Dec 29 18:33:40 kulve: thanks so I will try from linux. because I would like to update an old 770 to OS2006 but it is set to R&D mode and the windows updater fails updating it. probably I have to unset r&d first Dec 29 18:36:42 hmm.. at least in linux, the R&D -mode doesn't affect the flashing of the image Dec 29 18:44:54 Hi Dec 29 18:48:39 Hi, all. Dec 29 18:49:13 Makes sense why all apps seem to be broken. Dec 29 18:49:30 which one flash better windows or linux? Dec 29 18:52:48 I-t's such a cstraightforward proess that it does not really make any difference. Dec 29 18:56:08 How can I play DivX movies in OS2008? I can't find mplayer in any of the repositories? Dec 29 19:40:40 What is the timeframe for fixing maemo.org debs? Dec 29 19:40:55 haha Dec 29 19:41:14 i guess everyone wants to know Dec 29 19:43:32 :-) Dec 29 19:43:58 <|R> hehe just replace repoSItory by repoStory ;) Dec 29 19:44:37 ??? Dec 29 19:45:22 <|R> it's a functional "mirror" (if you change it in your apt sources) Dec 29 19:45:45 I'll give it a try. Dec 29 19:46:19 <|R> repostory.maemo.org or stage.maemo.org replace repository.maemo.org in the mean time from what i gathered Dec 29 19:46:45 it doesn't work Dec 29 19:47:16 I've been using stage.maemo.org now for awhile without any problems Dec 29 19:47:23 this akamai.net workaround doesn't work for me Dec 29 19:47:44 it works for everybody else.. Dec 29 19:47:49 well as pointed earlier by (???) [anything].maemo.org resolves to stage.maemo.org Dec 29 19:47:57 kulve: works for you ? Dec 29 19:48:08 just tried another sdk install Dec 29 19:48:09 same problem Dec 29 19:48:12 Is mplayer available anywhere? Dec 29 19:48:33 <|R> oh Dec 29 19:48:45 I've installed some packages with apt-get without problems (that failed with repository.m.o) Dec 29 19:49:11 ah Dec 29 19:49:16 also app.mgr. works just fine Dec 29 19:49:19 in fact Dec 29 19:49:24 it's my fault :( Dec 29 19:49:28 i'm on my laptop Dec 29 19:49:35 where is the sources.list file? mine is empty Dec 29 19:49:37 and scratchbox copies etc/resolv.conf Dec 29 19:49:41 and now that i'm at home Dec 29 19:49:48 it's not the good nameservers Dec 29 19:49:53 ... pfff Dec 29 19:50:41 jga: in the device or in the SB? Dec 29 19:50:47 device Dec 29 19:51:07 I thinks it's /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Dec 29 19:51:43 awesome, thanks Dec 29 19:51:48 in SB is it just sources.list? Dec 29 19:52:16 jga: at least in my SB it seems to be so Dec 29 19:53:34 someone know how to get a more full set of applications in the maemo-sdk that accurately renders the os2008 image? Dec 29 19:54:15 Spacer: I think you can't get the closed source apps there Dec 29 19:55:36 well the software installer isnt there either, just this "hello world!" gtk demo app Dec 29 19:56:21 hmm.. are you now talking about the flashable development image? Dec 29 19:56:28 or some SB target? Dec 29 19:56:47 yes CHINOOK_X86, just plain SDK Dec 29 19:56:54 ok Dec 29 19:57:13 trying to get a more 'real world' feel in it Dec 29 19:57:57 I think it's meant to be more like just a dev environment.. And I've never even started the X86 target.. Dec 29 19:58:30 but basically you can get some apps there (I'm not sure which are provided out-of-the-box) but not nearly all Dec 29 19:58:31 why is it there anyway? to compount the speed hit of the armel emulation? Dec 29 19:59:24 well, some components are easier or faster to develop on the x86 target and then just recompile in armel and copy to the device. I think it's fast enough on armel target in the first place.. Dec 29 20:00:04 * yabbas agrees with kulve Dec 29 20:00:22 maybe, i do notice a difference in speed though Dec 29 20:00:32 but that doesn't really bother me Dec 29 20:00:55 Spacer: yeah, there's a speed difference, but I don't bother testing on x86, since the real target is arm Dec 29 20:03:43 my sb can't resolve any site even after modifying my nsswitch and resolve.conf Dec 29 20:05:01 there are two nsswitch files, iirc Dec 29 20:05:49 scratchbox/etc/nsswitch.conf and one in the target's etc Dec 29 20:07:31 all that needs to be changed is the hosts: dns, right? Dec 29 20:08:24 I'm not sure. I think that's not a problem in debian etch.. Dec 29 20:20:39 is there a way to extend the input capabilities of KDrive without having to recompile the server with that support in place? Dec 29 20:46:26 So is there any camera apps besides Gizmo and Camera (for still shots) Dec 29 20:46:27 ? Dec 29 20:47:10 how many apps do you need to take crappy still pictures? Dec 29 20:47:22 ;) Dec 29 20:47:56 Astro, Don't forget video. Dec 29 20:47:57 there is knips Dec 29 20:48:01 and the gps one Dec 29 20:48:38 i must give nokia props for finding that many image sensors from 10 year old webcams to stick in the n800s =x Dec 29 20:49:00 hehe Dec 29 20:49:08 hey it's great as a webcam Dec 29 20:49:29 it's good as long as it's not low light Dec 29 20:49:30 acydlord, :D Dec 29 20:49:57 I'm working on a still-picture app for maemo atm. Dec 29 20:50:05 i remember back when the n800 came out i was going to make an IR blaster rig for it Dec 29 20:50:46 Hopefully given a few image processing techniques I can get useful images out of the onboard cam. Dec 29 20:50:57 nice Dec 29 20:53:15 So, hopefully you'll see dark noise negation, long exposures, panoramic stitching, various useful convolution techniques, and superresolution pictures on a maemo device near you. Dec 29 20:53:44 yabbas, sounds great Dec 29 20:54:01 but first thing's first.... Dec 29 20:54:05 * yabbas wiggles his toes Dec 29 20:54:49 Astro, I kinda like the fact we have a terrible cam on the device, gives me something to do :D Dec 29 20:54:53 I want to play with a webcam for websites program Dec 29 20:55:53 the discount code is still not valid :( Dec 29 20:56:47 yabbas, yeah definitely a good challenge Dec 29 20:56:49 bedboi, aye :( saddens me too. Dec 29 20:57:01 saddens me as well Dec 29 20:57:15 Big brother needs a stream Dec 29 20:57:15 but as i'm selling my n800 to buy my n810 it gives me a little more time with it =x Dec 29 20:57:41 wouldn't ever sell my n800 ... I have too much love for the device <3 Dec 29 20:57:59 I need a keyboard for mine Dec 29 20:58:46 well i'm too poor to afford the n810 at the moment without selling my n800 Dec 29 20:59:05 * yabbas nods Dec 29 20:59:11 but... Dec 29 20:59:35 i would like to keep it so that when i get my kayak i can make it be the onboard computer/gps =x Dec 29 20:59:52 why not work a day or two and earn the £75 or so it'll set you back for an 810 and keep both? :) Dec 29 21:00:15 well i start my new job on the 7th Dec 29 21:00:34 i guess i could just wait about a month till i get paid from that and buy the n810 with my dev discount Dec 29 21:01:19 2008 is going to be one busy busy year for me Dec 29 21:02:24 being busy sucks, you don't have time for hacking Dec 29 21:02:34 i make time for hacking Dec 29 21:02:51 however, being busy hacking is cool Dec 29 21:03:05 it's mostly the second half of the year that will be busy as i will be moving and then trying to get everything set to open a bar/brewery Dec 29 21:03:21 Nice. Dec 29 21:04:39 ad as far as i know it will be the first/only geek oriented bar in seattle Dec 29 21:23:05 geek oriented bar sounds fun :) Dec 29 21:26:38 indeed Dec 29 21:26:53 i want to turn enough profit to donate a portion to the open source community Dec 29 21:27:13 how will it be geek oriented? Dec 29 21:38:47 No video recording apps? Dec 29 21:42:10 I think the first question should be "which device is the camera?" and not if there are video recording apps Dec 29 21:42:37 if a device exists, mplayer should work as a capture program Dec 29 21:45:01 http://aksi.mdamt.net/node/174 Dec 29 21:48:27 http://peekaboo.garage.maemo.org/ Dec 29 21:57:01 the "camera" app does video i believe Dec 29 22:00:33 <|tbb|> does peekaboo works under os2008? Dec 29 22:02:28 the camera app does not do video in any way that I can see. Dec 29 22:03:16 or is this a capability it has on the 810 that it doesn't on the 800? Dec 29 22:03:23 There use to be a camera fork that supported video. Dec 29 22:03:29 Read their frontpage, |tbb| Dec 29 22:03:30 ah. Dec 29 22:03:31 But it hasn't been updated since july and won't work. Dec 29 22:06:02 <|tbb|> gan800: k Dec 29 22:06:53 <|tbb|> anyone knows what processor and clocktime the iphone runs Dec 29 22:07:55 <|tbb|> i wonder how smooth the kinetic scrolling has and the popups of the applications are Dec 29 22:10:30 Very smooth. Dec 29 22:10:39 405 or so Dec 29 22:10:52 |tbb| - 620MHz ARM 1176 according to Wikipedia Dec 29 22:10:57 Quartz is all accelerated, so that really helps. Dec 29 22:11:19 It's clocked bellow that, though. Dec 29 22:11:56 * GAN800 crosses his fingers for PowerVR drivers with the OMAP3430 Dec 29 22:12:26 An accelerated GUI would be nice, too. Dec 29 22:12:29 But I expect the smooth performance of the UI has more to do with the overall software and hardware architecture than the CPU alone... ie. a well designed video subsystem, perhaps with some 3D assistance (the Samsung chip includes a PowerVR MBX graphics co-processor)... basically evyerthing Nokia have so failed to achieve. Dec 29 22:12:47 s/so failed/so far failed/ Dec 29 22:12:48 milhouse meant: But I expect the smooth performance of the UI has more to do with the overall software and hardware architecture than the CPU alone... ie. a well designed video subsystem, perhaps with some 3D assistance (the Samsung chip includes a PowerVR MBX graphics c... Dec 29 22:12:55 No more 3rd part LCD controllers for the N900. :D Dec 29 22:13:20 Do the hardware right and the software will follow... Dec 29 22:13:38 The N900 is gonna be a beast. Dec 29 22:13:39 (as long as the software isn't closed source of course!) Dec 29 22:13:55 GAN800 - I hope you mean in performance/features and not size! :) Dec 29 22:14:09