**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 30 02:59:57 2007
Dec 30 03:12:43 <dospod> hey
Dec 30 03:15:03 <astro76> hi dospod
Dec 30 03:15:22 <dospod> wats up everybody
Dec 30 03:59:10 <jga> anybody able to connect their tablet to a digital camera?
Dec 30 04:11:21 <jga> anybody used the sdk workaround for the repositories?
Dec 30 04:34:34 <dospod> sup
Dec 30 04:35:47 <astro76> din
Dec 30 04:35:54 <astro76> :O
Dec 30 04:36:11 <dospod> :o
Dec 30 04:36:16 <astro76> do you have a bluetooth keyboard dospod ?
Dec 30 04:37:40 <dospod> i wish, i just use the onscreen with my thumbs
Dec 30 04:40:30 <astro76> this one is still only $30 http://www.amazon.com/Stowaway-Ultra-Slim-Bluetooth-Blackberry-Handhelds/dp/B0002OKCXE/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1198989429&sr=8-1
Dec 30 04:40:57 <dospod> im broke
Dec 30 04:46:58 <dospod> im broke
Dec 30 04:47:05 <dospod> plus i like the onscreen keyboard
Dec 30 04:53:36 <astro76> it is nice, but frustrating for any extended typing, especially when you can type fast ;)
Dec 30 04:55:31 <dospod> i can type decent on here
Dec 30 04:58:50 <tank-man> astro76, you dont like that $30 keyboard?
Dec 30 04:59:09 <astro76> tank-man, I have it and love it
Dec 30 04:59:31 <astro76> oh I meant the on screen keyboard
Dec 30 04:59:41 <tank-man> no, that amazon deal
Dec 30 04:59:59 <astro76> yeah I highly recommend that one
Dec 30 05:00:06 <astro76> great deal
Dec 30 05:00:12 <tank-man> i cant get that in canada so i had to get the apple bluetooth keyboard
Dec 30 05:00:56 <tank-man> i was hoping that stowaway kb sucked :)
Dec 30 05:01:01 <joshin> astro76: That keyboard is coming up at $60 + shipping
Dec 30 05:01:19 <astro76> tank-man, you should vote for this bug ;) https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2670
Dec 30 05:01:33 <astro76> joshin, hrm not here
Dec 30 05:02:12 <astro76> though it does say only 5 left in stock, and the cheapest affiliate seller is 59.95
Dec 30 05:02:17 <astro76> guess it just ran out again
Dec 30 05:03:00 <joshin> Seems that way.
Dec 30 05:03:21 <astro76> that's at least the 3rd time it's run out since they had the deal, keep checking
Dec 30 05:03:42 <astro76> they've had it since the day after thanksgiving
Dec 30 06:03:13 <jga> is there a way to install a .install file on scratchbox?
Dec 30 07:37:16 <jga> is there any way to remove python2.3 from the scratchbox?
Dec 30 07:41:05 <zoran> jga, can you unistall it?
Dec 30 07:41:10 <zoran> or manualy remove?
Dec 30 07:41:30 <jga> I can't apt-get remove it
Dec 30 07:41:44 <jga> I have python 2.5 installed
Dec 30 07:41:47 <zoran> how did you install it?
Dec 30 07:41:52 <jga> but when I type python, it loads 2.3
Dec 30 07:41:52 <zoran> ah, see
Dec 30 07:42:00 <jga> scratchbox comes with 2.3
Dec 30 07:42:13 <zoran> the link is from environ variable
Dec 30 07:42:29 <zoran> something like $PYTHON
Dec 30 07:42:36 <zoran> or $PYTHONDIR
Dec 30 07:42:42 <We> hi guys
Dec 30 07:42:43 <We> :D
Dec 30 07:42:49 <We> good morning
Dec 30 07:43:06 <We> is anyone from UAE there?
Dec 30 07:45:23 <We> yeah?
Dec 30 07:45:52 <We> i have some questions
Dec 30 07:46:39 <unique311> uae
Dec 30 07:46:46 <Luria> hi all
Dec 30 07:46:52 <unique311> united arab emarate
Dec 30 07:46:53 <unique311> s
Dec 30 07:47:11 <unique311> dubai ali comes to mind
Dec 30 07:47:17 <unique311> bahrain also
Dec 30 07:47:18 <zoran> what are the questions?
Dec 30 07:47:33 <unique311> sandbox
Dec 30 07:47:42 <We> are u from there?
Dec 30 07:47:45 <We> UAE?
Dec 30 07:47:58 <unique311> nah
Dec 30 07:48:07 <unique311> i was on a aircraft carrier
Dec 30 07:48:17 <We> where are u from?
Dec 30 07:48:28 <unique311> 2 of the ports where bahrain and dubhai
Dec 30 07:48:37 <unique311> america
Dec 30 07:48:44 <We> oh
Dec 30 07:48:48 <We> ok well
Dec 30 07:49:02 <zoran> those were the questions?
Dec 30 07:49:14 <unique311> zoran, lol
Dec 30 07:49:20 <unique311> i don't think so
Dec 30 07:49:20 <We> I Will Go To Dubai City 2 Months Later And Wanna To Buy New Nokia N810
Dec 30 07:49:36 <We> 01 First Is It Available There? And Did U See It On Computer Or Mobile Stores? (Or When Is The Release Date There?) (What About N800?)
Dec 30 07:50:00 <unique311> i think you can order it online
Dec 30 07:50:16 <unique311> not sure its in stores yet.
Dec 30 07:50:26 <zoran> Dubai is my sure bet
Dec 30 07:50:29 <unique311> but my current events are not that accurate
Dec 30 07:50:56 <We> Well They Are Not Phone And I Can't Do Phone Calls Yes? Or Possible ?
Dec 30 07:50:58 <unique311> online is my best bet
Dec 30 07:51:06 <zoran> nope
Dec 30 07:51:11 <unique311> its possible
Dec 30 07:51:18 <We> possible how?
Dec 30 07:51:22 <unique311> i was able to make phone calls
Dec 30 07:51:38 <zoran> We, find stores in Dubai on the net and go one by one
Dec 30 07:51:43 <zoran> skype
Dec 30 07:51:52 <unique311> gizmo, skype, and some other voip services
Dec 30 07:51:58 <Luria> unique311, which carrier out of curiosity?
Dec 30 07:52:09 <We> zoran which stores? please type the links
Dec 30 07:52:10 <unique311> not cellular
Dec 30 07:52:15 <unique311> luria
Dec 30 07:52:21 <zoran> We, it is your pleasere
Dec 30 07:52:24 <unique311> voip
Dec 30 07:52:34 <We> How Can I Do Phone Calls With that? with Simcard?
Dec 30 07:52:40 <unique311> no
Dec 30 07:52:44 <zoran> no card
Dec 30 07:52:46 <unique311> not cellular
Dec 30 07:52:51 <unique311> voip
Dec 30 07:52:52 <zoran> net call
Dec 30 07:52:55 <unique311> yes
Dec 30 07:52:57 <zoran> lol
Dec 30 07:52:59 <We> oh
Dec 30 07:53:07 <zoran> We, read some review
Dec 30 07:53:13 <We> How About SimCard? Well Can I Insert A SimCard And Only Do Internet/3G/GPRS Wih Use It? And Has It A Place For Insert That?
Dec 30 07:53:19 <unique311> but if you know the ropes, you can take advantage of it
Dec 30 07:53:26 <zoran> no
Dec 30 07:53:30 <zoran> not a phone
Dec 30 07:53:31 <unique311> i live in NYC
Dec 30 07:53:45 <We> but (11:24:24) (We) How About SimCard? Well Can I Insert A SimCard And Only Do Internet/3G/GPRS Wih Use It? And Has It A Place For Insert That? ?????
Dec 30 07:53:54 <unique311> so i basically mapped out where i could get free wifi..
Dec 30 07:54:06 <zoran> b or g?
Dec 30 07:54:16 <We> please reply :(
Dec 30 07:54:18 <unique311> We, no sim card
Dec 30 07:54:25 <unique311> voip
Dec 30 07:54:31 <unique311> voice over ip
Dec 30 07:54:46 <zoran> We, what in fact would you like to do?
Dec 30 07:54:53 <unique311> which means, the tablet needs to  be connected to a wireless connection.
Dec 30 07:54:59 <We> as It A Place For Insert That?\? cos i heard somethings about it!?
Dec 30 07:55:10 <zoran> no, you didn't
Dec 30 07:55:17 <We> look http://www.my-symbian.com/other/review_n800.php
Dec 30 07:55:24 <zoran> no, you didn't
Dec 30 07:55:37 <We> this line:
Dec 30 07:55:39 <We> the N800 is not a phone. It does not have a SIM card slot and you can't make phone calls. And it's OK for a device that is called an "Internet Tablet". What I miss, however, is possibility of inserting a SIM card for 3G/GPRS data transmission only, like in PCMCIA / ExpressCard data cards for notebooks
Dec 30 07:55:59 <zoran> he misses it
Dec 30 07:56:03 <We> is possibility of inserting a SIM card for 3G/GPRS data transmission only? ummmm i confused please help me
Dec 30 07:56:11 <unique311> not sim We
Dec 30 07:56:12 <tank-man> we, no
Dec 30 07:56:19 <unique311> voice over ip
Dec 30 07:56:25 <zoran> buy nokia e51
Dec 30 07:56:27 <unique311> phone calls
Dec 30 07:56:29 <zoran> or 6233
Dec 30 07:56:49 <unique311> lol
Dec 30 07:56:56 <zoran> or have all your friends on a hearing distance
Dec 30 07:56:58 <We> so i can't use simcard only for internet?
Dec 30 07:57:04 <zoran> no
Dec 30 07:57:05 <unique311> not sure you can even catagorize it as a hack
Dec 30 07:57:16 <We> and has it tv out?
Dec 30 07:57:29 <unique311> but, basically if you have an unlimitted skype phone out account.
Dec 30 07:57:41 <unique311> you can put that to use on the n800
Dec 30 07:57:47 <unique311> and make free phone calls
Dec 30 07:57:51 <zoran> We, you can only put it on a tv
Dec 30 07:58:11 <We> zoran lol so it hasn't any tv out?
Dec 30 07:58:12 <zoran> and take a look of tv over net
Dec 30 07:58:20 <zoran> We, no
Dec 30 07:58:25 <zoran> as I know
Dec 30 07:58:26 <unique311> not sure about the tv out
Dec 30 07:58:33 <zoran> I'm sure
Dec 30 07:58:33 <unique311> no
Dec 30 07:58:42 <unique311> it doesn;t
Dec 30 07:58:46 <We> and
Dec 30 07:59:02 <unique311> We its linux
Dec 30 07:59:02 <zoran> tv could come with it if you pay a prise
Dec 30 07:59:09 <unique311> make it happen
Dec 30 07:59:19 <unique311> or if you a good dev
Dec 30 07:59:20 <We> well what is the highest memory card for n810 now? 32 gb?
Dec 30 07:59:28 <unique311> 16GB
Dec 30 07:59:37 <zoran> heh
Dec 30 07:59:42 <unique311> 32 is a myth
Dec 30 07:59:44 <unique311> not out yet
Dec 30 07:59:48 <unique311> i don't thinl
Dec 30 07:59:50 <unique311> k
Dec 30 07:59:59 <zoran> n810 is a gorilla in the mist
Dec 30 08:00:04 <unique311> but pretty sure it will be supported
Dec 30 08:00:07 <zoran> none see it
Dec 30 08:00:20 <unique311> zoran, n800 also
Dec 30 08:00:27 <zoran> I have 770
Dec 30 08:00:29 <Luria> actually, the wifi pois for nyc in the map app are pretty good
Dec 30 08:00:29 <Luria> (not lagged, just no longer afk)
Dec 30 08:00:31 <We> oh 16 gb and is it available only on USA or UAE too?
Dec 30 08:00:33 <unique311> basically a n810 with hardway keyboard
Dec 30 08:00:35 <zoran> looking for eee, in fact
Dec 30 08:00:53 <unique311> Luria, you from nyc?
Dec 30 08:00:58 <Luria> im waiting for next years eees
Dec 30 08:01:00 <tank-man> i can only find 8gb sdhc now in canada
Dec 30 08:01:02 <Luria> yup
Dec 30 08:01:09 <Luria> on macdougal right now
Dec 30 08:01:14 <unique311> i removed the map i downlaoded for nyc
Dec 30 08:01:15 <Luria> in a cafe
Dec 30 08:01:18 <zoran> free wifi of b or g?
Dec 30 08:01:27 <unique311> wasn't sure i would put it to use
Dec 30 08:01:45 <unique311> Luria, i'm also from Nyc
Dec 30 08:01:47 <Luria> wayfinder has both pay and free, but it tells you
Dec 30 08:01:56 <Luria> yeah i know :-)
Dec 30 08:02:03 <We> so guys can i insert a simcart for use gprs on n800 but impossible for n810? or both can do this?
Dec 30 08:02:13 <zoran> don't try that
Dec 30 08:02:30 <Luria> i just bought an apple bluetooth compact keyboard at apple soho tonight
Dec 30 08:02:35 <zoran> go for specs on the review
Dec 30 08:02:44 <unique311> We, no sim card
Dec 30 08:02:50 <unique311> lol
Dec 30 08:02:51 <We> :( yes
Dec 30 08:02:53 <Luria> We, neither have gsm
Dec 30 08:03:05 <zoran> nor tv
Dec 30 08:03:11 <tank-man> we, you need a seperate phone with bluetooth
Dec 30 08:03:29 <Luria> unique311, where in the city?
Dec 30 08:03:34 <zoran> e51 has wifi and gsm
Dec 30 08:03:44 <Luria> i like the k850i
Dec 30 08:03:54 <Luria> triband hsdpa @ 3.6m
Dec 30 08:04:01 <Luria> and not a smartphone
Dec 30 08:04:19 <zoran> I'm quiet with 6233
Dec 30 08:04:26 <zoran> 2 weeks of power
Dec 30 08:04:31 <We> so foe use the internert i can only go to an isp wireless service? or is it another way there?
Dec 30 08:04:42 <zoran> bt
Dec 30 08:04:49 <unique311> Luria, brooklyn
Dec 30 08:05:01 <unique311> party in the city
Dec 30 08:05:11 <We> ummm?
Dec 30 08:05:19 * zoran gone to feed dragons
Dec 30 08:05:31 <unique311> dragons?
Dec 30 08:05:35 <unique311> can i have one
Dec 30 08:05:37 <zoran> yep
Dec 30 08:05:40 <zoran> bbl
Dec 30 08:05:43 <Luria> woo
Dec 30 08:05:43 <Luria> which part?
Dec 30 08:05:53 <unique311> brooklyn college...
Dec 30 08:05:57 <unique311> junction
Dec 30 08:06:05 <Luria> kinda out there
Dec 30 08:06:07 <unique311> flatbush and nostrand.
Dec 30 08:06:10 <unique311> yeah
Dec 30 08:06:21 <unique311> middle of brooklyn actually
Dec 30 08:06:36 <Luria> i had to go to e 28th last sunday; it took forever
Dec 30 08:06:37 <unique311> center actually
Dec 30 08:06:42 <We> umm?
Dec 30 08:06:44 <We> :'''(
Dec 30 08:06:49 <unique311> bullseyes
Dec 30 08:06:52 <unique311> -s
Dec 30 08:06:57 <Luria> We, ?
Dec 30 08:07:08 <We> (11:35:43) (We) so foe use the internert i can only go to an isp wireless service? or is it another way there?
Dec 30 08:07:23 <tank-man> We, the other way is with a seperate phone with bluetooth
Dec 30 08:07:24 <unique311> ?
Dec 30 08:07:28 <We> totally all ways for gprs please telll me
Dec 30 08:07:30 <Luria> We, you need to tether with a cellphone with BT
Dec 30 08:07:57 <unique311> no cellular like services We
Dec 30 08:08:01 <We> tank-man no i love it :)
Dec 30 08:08:01 <unique311> voip
Dec 30 08:08:22 <We> yeah voip
Dec 30 08:08:24 <Luria> preferably through DUN, though PAN can work
Dec 30 08:08:49 <We> so the only way for use the internet is wireless service? yes?
Dec 30 08:09:05 <Luria> unless you have wifi
Dec 30 08:09:11 <unique311> the IT needs to be connected to a wifi connection in order to use skype or gizmo or any other voip service to make phone calls
Dec 30 08:09:23 <Luria> also some usb->ethernet dongles will work
Dec 30 08:09:31 <We> oh :) cool
Dec 30 08:09:54 <Luria> yes, but get a supported chipset
Dec 30 08:09:59 <We> even Dial Up network?
Dec 30 08:10:02 <unique311> so if you are in an area thats full of open wireless routers...
Dec 30 08:10:05 <unique311> get one
Dec 30 08:10:21 <Luria> yeah, wifi is the best
Dec 30 08:10:35 <unique311> if you have to travel miles to connect to a open wireless router
Dec 30 08:10:38 <unique311> still get one
Dec 30 08:10:43 <We> what about Dial Up network? possible?
Dec 30 08:10:47 <unique311> it comes in handy
Dec 30 08:10:57 <Luria> We, what do you mean?
Dec 30 08:11:15 <unique311> thats a tricky one
Dec 30 08:11:17 <We> old Dial Up (The Wire To That)?
Dec 30 08:11:22 <Luria> DUN profile or phone dialup
Dec 30 08:11:24 <Luria> ah
Dec 30 08:11:38 <Luria> not directly
Dec 30 08:12:06 <Luria> well, in theory, yes, but it would require usb otg cable -> rs-232->modem
Dec 30 08:12:13 <unique311> i guess if you connect your desktop to a dial up network, and setup you desktop to share that connection. then connect you n800/810 to the desktop, its possible
Dec 30 08:12:19 <We> :0
Dec 30 08:12:36 <We> :D
Dec 30 08:12:52 <unique311> Luria, i think its possible
Dec 30 08:12:58 <unique311> too much work
Dec 30 08:13:00 <Luria> oh it is
Dec 30 08:13:10 <Luria> but as i said, not easily
Dec 30 08:13:34 <Luria> plus youll need to use drivers for the rs-232
Dec 30 08:13:53 <We> and
Dec 30 08:13:56 <Luria> someone on ITT pulled it off (usb->rs-232)
Dec 30 08:13:59 <We> 1 more question
Dec 30 08:14:09 <Luria> there is a thread with pics
Dec 30 08:14:54 <Luria> btw, is there an xmodmap for chinook?
Dec 30 08:15:35 <We> if i don't use internet and don't have the wireless account then the nokia n800 / n810 can work can i turn it on? and use other parts like multimedia ,,,apps ...games....? tottally can it work without internet?
Dec 30 08:15:51 <unique311> yes
Dec 30 08:16:06 <Luria> yes, there are many things that dont need an internet connection
Dec 30 08:16:16 <unique311> its  a tiny winy notebook.
Dec 30 08:16:18 <Luria> xournal, pygtkeditor, scummvm
Dec 30 08:16:24 <Luria> nethack :-)
Dec 30 08:16:37 <We> so just the desktop don't show the internet stuffs??? yes?
Dec 30 08:16:39 <unique311> gaming, multimedia, linux stuff
Dec 30 08:16:42 <unique311> etc
Dec 30 08:16:44 <unique311> etc
Dec 30 08:16:50 <unique311> and more etc
Dec 30 08:18:28 <Luria> porn vids too
Dec 30 08:18:33 <We> lol
Dec 30 08:18:42 <We> (11:47:48) (We) so just the desktop don't show the internet stuffs??? yes? yes???
Dec 30 08:19:09 <Luria> youporn.com doesnt work well tho.
Dec 30 08:19:27 <unique311> channelchooser works well
Dec 30 08:19:28 <unique311> lol
Dec 30 08:19:41 <unique311> anything flash works well
Dec 30 08:19:47 <unique311> now
Dec 30 08:20:12 <Luria> no, youporn is too big, fwiw
Dec 30 08:20:29 <Luria> iow, large flv stuff can choke it
Dec 30 08:20:38 <Luria> youtube is ok though
Dec 30 08:21:08 <We> guys the screen size of n800 and n810 is the same? yes?
Dec 30 08:21:27 <tank-man> yes
Dec 30 08:21:38 <unique311> yeah
Dec 30 08:21:41 <We> :D
Dec 30 08:22:30 <We> what are new cool 3d games? i heard it can be on on PSP way And I saw New Doom And ....
Dec 30 08:22:38 <Luria> 770,800, and 810 are all the same size
Dec 30 08:23:11 <Luria> but different screens
Dec 30 08:23:11 <unique311> Luria, anything going on for new years?
Dec 30 08:23:47 <Luria> i had nothing until 10 minutes ago but just got invited to a party
Dec 30 08:23:53 <unique311> i'm thinking ball drop...but all my friends are afraid of terrorist blowing shit up.
Dec 30 08:23:55 <sandyang028> G`morning
Dec 30 08:24:18 <Luria> screw terrorists. id be worried about tourists :-)
Dec 30 08:24:35 <Luria> you do it once, and then never again
Dec 30 08:24:35 <We> Quake2 :D
Dec 30 08:25:25 <unique311> Luria, so many cops out there.
Dec 30 08:25:33 <Luria> finally got around to scummvm today
Dec 30 08:25:35 <unique311> so many check points
Dec 30 08:25:48 <unique311> i doubt terrorist would try something that night
Dec 30 08:25:51 <Luria> oh, its not that - its just hard to get around
Dec 30 08:25:59 <unique311> pretty much
Dec 30 08:26:08 <Luria> And not much fun
Dec 30 08:26:26 <Luria> ideal you want a private party in a tall building nearby
Dec 30 08:26:29 <unique311> at one check point i remember seeing a freaking mountaiing of bottles.
Dec 30 08:26:54 <Luria> most important is to be in the company of an attractive young lady
Dec 30 08:27:05 <unique311> yeah.
Dec 30 08:27:09 <unique311> i messed up one year.
Dec 30 08:27:15 <unique311> the ball dropped
Dec 30 08:27:26 <unique311> and i grabbed a random chick i just met.
Dec 30 08:27:32 <Luria> uh oh
Dec 30 08:27:36 <We> is ther any news for the future of these internet tablet GAMES?
Dec 30 08:27:45 <unique311> and tongued her down
Dec 30 08:28:04 <unique311> all that went thru my mind was mono afterwards
Dec 30 08:28:11 <Luria> ha ha
Dec 30 08:28:17 <Luria> small price to pay
Dec 30 08:28:19 <unique311> was way too easy, you know
Dec 30 08:28:31 <unique311> but thank god nothing happend to me.
Dec 30 08:28:53 <Luria> whatever - by age 40, 95% of americans have EBV
Dec 30 08:29:13 <unique311> 2007 went by too quickly...
Dec 30 08:29:14 <We> ummm someone play Quake 1 on n800 and n810?
Dec 30 08:29:36 <Luria> amen to that
Dec 30 08:29:55 <unique311> EBV
Dec 30 08:29:58 <We> ?
Dec 30 08:30:00 <We> yes?
Dec 30 08:30:03 <unique311> sounds scurry
Dec 30 08:30:12 <Luria> epstein-barr virus
Dec 30 08:30:28 <We> :'''(
Dec 30 08:30:30 <unique311> just googled it
Dec 30 08:30:36 <unique311> is scurry
Dec 30 08:30:38 <Luria> the virus that causes infectious mononucleosis
Dec 30 08:31:08 <We> ?
Dec 30 08:31:22 <We> i want to know which one play it better?
Dec 30 08:31:43 <YY> did u play a game named super minner on nokia?
Dec 30 08:31:48 <Luria> dunno, ive played neither
Dec 30 08:31:50 <unique311> We, i played lxdoom
Dec 30 08:31:58 <unique311> that was cool on the n800
Dec 30 08:32:15 <unique311> was surprise on how good the controls were
Dec 30 08:32:25 <Luria> meh. there are no fpses without kybd+mouse
Dec 30 08:32:27 <unique311> doom pretty much similar to quake
Dec 30 08:32:30 <We> what about n810? which one can show it better?
Dec 30 08:32:43 <unique311> 810 is similar to 800
Dec 30 08:32:55 <We> http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/quetoo/quetoo.jpg the pic is very bad
Dec 30 08:32:56 <unique311> 810 has gps and keybaord
Dec 30 08:33:05 <We> do u have any pic from that?
Dec 30 08:33:10 <unique311> think thats the only difference
Dec 30 08:33:16 <unique311> and the screen feature
Dec 30 08:33:19 <Luria> and a transflective screen
Dec 30 08:33:23 <unique311> yah
Dec 30 08:33:33 <Luria> and 2gb internal fixed
Dec 30 08:33:52 <Luria> but only one sd-micro card
Dec 30 08:34:16 <Luria> and a stupid usb micro port
Dec 30 08:35:01 <Luria> get a n800 for $200, two 16gb cards for $200
Dec 30 08:35:18 <We> cool
Dec 30 08:35:20 <chille> 16GB card? wtf? where do i get them?
Dec 30 08:35:27 <We> but i wanna to buy new n810
Dec 30 08:35:31 <unique311> nokia throwing a 2008 party on the 31st..?
Dec 30 08:35:34 <We> it is newer
Dec 30 08:35:38 <unique311> chille, china
Dec 30 08:35:42 <chille> N810 > N800
Dec 30 08:35:50 <unique311> for like 600 dollars
Dec 30 08:35:54 <Luria> newegg had them for $99
Dec 30 08:35:57 <chille> unique311: are they really 16 gigaBYTE?
Dec 30 08:36:02 <unique311> damn
Dec 30 08:36:03 <unique311> yes
Dec 30 08:36:06 <unique311> 32 even
Dec 30 08:36:18 <We> yes where can i find 32 gb?
Dec 30 08:36:22 <chille> unique311: thers a lot of 16GB cards on eBay, but some idiots don't know the difference between Gb and GB :/
Dec 30 08:36:24 <Luria> 32 are  bloody fortune if you can find them
Dec 30 08:36:32 <unique311> http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2007/01/_32gb_sd_cards_in_2008_1.html
Dec 30 08:36:46 <We> :D
Dec 30 08:37:07 <unique311> i think they are up to 32GB
Dec 30 08:37:09 <chille> does the N810 support 32GB? :D
Dec 30 08:37:14 <unique311> but for next year
Dec 30 08:37:19 <unique311> mid
Dec 30 08:37:19 <tank-man> ive never seen sd cards measured in gigabit sizes
Dec 30 08:37:20 <unique311> maybe
Dec 30 08:37:20 <We> yes
Dec 30 08:37:50 <unique311> chille, i think on ITT you get info on that
Dec 30 08:38:06 <unique311> 16 i think is supported with os2008
Dec 30 08:38:11 <unique311> but don't quote me on that
Dec 30 08:38:37 <chille> okay
Dec 30 08:38:42 <chille> 2x16GB would be nice :)
Dec 30 08:38:58 <chille> $200 for 32GB is okay
Dec 30 08:39:29 <YY> excuse me sir?
Dec 30 08:39:41 <unique311> you excuse YY
Dec 30 08:39:47 <YY> may i have a question?
Dec 30 08:39:50 <unique311> 200 for 32GB
Dec 30 08:39:59 <Luria> trying to find the thread
Dec 30 08:40:01 <unique311> thats a good price
Dec 30 08:40:21 <Luria> you can get class 6 16gb cards for $160
Dec 30 08:40:32 <We> chille are chinese?
Dec 30 08:40:55 <chille> no, i'm swede :(
Dec 30 08:40:56 <We> chille are u chinese?
Dec 30 08:40:57 <We> ??????
Dec 30 08:40:59 <We> yes?
Dec 30 08:41:00 <tank-man> 160$ sounds expensive when 8gb sdhc are $50
Dec 30 08:41:02 <We> oh ok
Dec 30 08:41:08 <YY> how much do u buy a nokia N800 in ur city?
Dec 30 08:41:12 <chille> Luria: 160? you get it for $90 + shipping on eBay :)
Dec 30 08:41:19 <Luria> for class 6?
Dec 30 08:41:22 <chille> yep
Dec 30 08:41:26 <chille> http://cgi.ebay.com/Adata-16Gb-16G-16-G-GB-CL6-Memory-SD-HC-SDHC-Card-NEW_W0QQitemZ350010088147QQihZ022QQcategoryZ122613QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Dec 30 08:41:33 <unique311> 16GB http://www.flash-memory-store.com/qmemory-secure-digital-16gb.html
Dec 30 08:41:41 <We> i heard available a new n800 that can work with gsm network as phone?
Dec 30 08:41:44 <unique311> $138
Dec 30 08:42:08 <Tybor> hi people....
Dec 30 08:42:18 <Luria> gah why does itt suck on microb
Dec 30 08:42:51 <YY> it spend 3000RMB in my city,about $500
Dec 30 08:42:59 <Tybor> is there anyone here involved in bug n2140?
Dec 30 08:43:02 <chille> YY: the cheapest i can get a N800 in sweden seems to be around $340
Dec 30 08:43:08 <unique311> Luria, install the add blocker
Dec 30 08:43:17 <YY> really?
Dec 30 08:43:33 <chille> yes, 2200SEK = $340
Dec 30 08:43:35 <Tybor> i.e. Maemo not binding to a Freedom Universal Keyboard
Dec 30 08:43:56 <YY> can i use it in China?
Dec 30 08:44:07 <unique311> lol, yes
Dec 30 08:44:16 <chille> the mose expensive store takes $620 for a N800
Dec 30 08:44:18 <We> YY are u chinese?
Dec 30 08:44:25 <Luria> i have adp
Dec 30 08:44:34 <YY> yes,and u?
Dec 30 08:44:40 <Luria> its not the ads, which do suck
Dec 30 08:44:47 <We> no i am persian
Dec 30 08:44:48 <Luria> its everything
Dec 30 08:45:02 <We>  i heard available a new n800 that can work with gsm network as phone?
Dec 30 08:45:06 <We> on china?
Dec 30 08:45:09 <We> possible?
Dec 30 08:45:10 <Luria> We, no, no no
Dec 30 08:45:23 <Tybor> We, the latest N is 810 with GPS not GSM
Dec 30 08:45:27 <YY> impossible?
Dec 30 08:45:33 <unique311> We, you are persian
Dec 30 08:45:34 <We> yes n800 chinese version!
Dec 30 08:45:41 <We> yes Iran
Dec 30 08:45:50 <unique311> We, whats you take on the movie 300?
Dec 30 08:45:54 <Luria> there is an annouced but unavailable n8x0+wimax
Dec 30 08:46:11 <We> 300 was cool just
Dec 30 08:46:22 <We> our king was like the gay
Dec 30 08:46:26 <We> hehe lol
Dec 30 08:47:05 <YY> it is Chiese menu?
Dec 30 08:47:21 <unique311> I worked in a store where a persian amabassadors daughter was an employee in the store.
Dec 30 08:47:48 <unique311> she was gorgeous.
Dec 30 08:47:50 <Luria> 300: sweaty men stick each other with long hard objects
Dec 30 08:48:04 <We> amabassadors ? what is it?
Dec 30 08:48:34 <unique311> i think her mother was the ambassador to an asian country.
Dec 30 08:48:49 <unique311> but the girl looked reallly good.
Dec 30 08:48:55 <We> YY did u see the n800 chinese version?
Dec 30 08:49:11 <Luria> oh the knock off "n800"
Dec 30 08:49:12 <YY> no ,never see
Dec 30 08:49:13 <unique311> she was a model for abercrombie and fitch
Dec 30 08:49:15 <We> oh cool unique311 how old was she?
Dec 30 08:49:20 <unique311> 19
Dec 30 08:49:23 <Luria> winCE machine
Dec 30 08:49:26 <We> any pic?
Dec 30 08:49:32 <Luria> if it was ever made
Dec 30 08:49:34 <unique311> she was attending NYU.
Dec 30 08:49:39 <YY> but i found it in a Chiese net:www.taobao.com
Dec 30 08:49:52 <unique311> part time job at abercrombie and fitch.
Dec 30 08:49:55 <We> unique311 do u have her pic?
Dec 30 08:50:03 <unique311> no
Dec 30 08:50:07 <Luria> google. it just looks like a n800 with a p-shopped wince 5 screen
Dec 30 08:50:15 <Luria> a/s/l lol
Dec 30 08:50:20 <We> YY yes the chinese version can work as phone on GSM
Dec 30 08:50:21 <unique311> i guess you can look up all of persian ambassador females.
Dec 30 08:50:26 <unique311> that should be easy
Dec 30 08:50:36 <YY> i use nokia E50,
Dec 30 08:50:37 <unique311> and find one that has a daughter
Dec 30 08:50:39 <unique311> lol
Dec 30 08:51:08 <dybnu> I hate microsoft
Dec 30 08:51:33 <YY> it is linux Operating system?
Dec 30 08:51:40 <unique311> http://images.google.com/images?q=persian+female+ambassadors&btnG=Search+Images&svnum=10&um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=EWE
Dec 30 08:51:48 <unique311> i guess that could be her mother
Dec 30 08:51:54 <Luria> lol
Dec 30 08:52:03 <We> unique311 all of persian ambassador females. lol
Dec 30 08:52:09 <chille> lol
Dec 30 08:52:14 <unique311> lol
Dec 30 08:52:17 <chille> unique311: \o/
Dec 30 08:52:18 <unique311> wow
Dec 30 08:52:35 <unique311> i'll try to find her pic on facebook
Dec 30 08:52:50 <We> cool :)
Dec 30 08:53:20 <YY> do u have blog?
Dec 30 08:53:39 <We> me?
Dec 30 08:53:57 <YY> yes
Dec 30 08:54:01 <We> yes
Dec 30 08:54:15 <We> www.italodancemp3.de.am
Dec 30 08:54:21 <Luria> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&Description=sdhc%20cards&bop=And&SrchInDesc=16gb&Page=1
Dec 30 08:54:24 <YY> can u tell me the websit
Dec 30 08:54:41 <YY> thank u
Dec 30 08:55:30 <We> websit? what is it?
Dec 30 08:56:06 <YY> website
Dec 30 08:56:08 <YY> sorry
Dec 30 08:56:20 <We> my homepage is for support artists and their labels
Dec 30 08:56:38 <We> sorry i don't got it the website of what?
Dec 30 08:57:16 <We> :(
Dec 30 08:59:13 <unique311> gigi da'gostino
Dec 30 08:59:31 <Luria> i got to tinker with this new keyboard
Dec 30 08:59:43 <We> yeah
Dec 30 08:59:50 <Luria> but i like it better than the foldup igo
Dec 30 09:00:15 <We> the apple's iphone is very shit are u agree?
Dec 30 09:00:27 <YY> yes
Dec 30 09:00:30 <We> it has the poor audio/video quality
Dec 30 09:00:38 <YY> but too expensive
Dec 30 09:00:48 <Luria> yeah, tho one serious geek i know loves it
Dec 30 09:00:55 <We> here is about 630 dollars
Dec 30 09:01:00 <unique311> We, register with this irc network
Dec 30 09:01:12 <We> ok will do
Dec 30 09:01:15 <unique311> i sent you a private message..
Dec 30 09:01:24 <We> yes wait 1 sec
Dec 30 09:01:27 <unique311> i don't thin you can recieve without being registered.
Dec 30 09:01:30 <unique311> coo
Dec 30 09:01:34 <unique311> l
Dec 30 09:01:59 <Luria> really?
Dec 30 09:02:17 <Luria> i never bother authenticating unless my nick is taken
Dec 30 09:02:54 <unique311> with freenode, you cannot recieve pm's unless you authenticate.
Dec 30 09:03:22 <unique311> I just PM's him about the dance artist he has on his website.
Dec 30 09:03:24 <Luria>  /msg me
Dec 30 09:03:58 <unique311> did you recieve?
Dec 30 09:04:03 <Luria> yes
Dec 30 09:04:11 <Luria> did you get mine?
Dec 30 09:04:22 <YY> how much do u spend on Accesses the net on ur phone?
Dec 30 09:04:34 <Luria> afk, brb
Dec 30 09:05:09 <unique311> YY, not much
Dec 30 09:05:47 <legind> since I have the n800, all I need is a phone that can provide bt internet connectivity.  can anyone suggest a phone/plan?
Dec 30 09:05:47 <YY> i just have only 12M about 5RMB every month
Dec 30 09:05:49 <unique311> i have a cellphone...the IT is only for emegencies i guess
Dec 30 09:06:24 <We> ok
Dec 30 09:06:25 <legind> (being in the US)
Dec 30 09:06:27 <We> sorry guys
Dec 30 09:06:30 <We> :)
Dec 30 09:06:32 <unique311> a cheap unlimited data plan
Dec 30 09:06:39 <We> registered
Dec 30 09:06:41 <unique311> tmobile
Dec 30 09:06:48 <legind> unique311, no 3g though
Dec 30 09:07:08 <YY> The handset surfer is very expensive in China
Dec 30 09:07:43 <We> Guys all apps and Games On os 2007 Can work on os 2008 too?
Dec 30 09:07:50 <We> unique311 DONE!
Dec 30 09:08:35 <unique311> We, did yo recieve the last PM
Dec 30 09:08:44 <Vulcanis> We: If you do some tweaking, many of them work on 08
Dec 30 09:08:44 <We> no :(
Dec 30 09:08:49 <unique311> hmm
Dec 30 09:08:56 <Vulcanis> others you'd have to wait for, or port them yourself
Dec 30 09:08:57 <YY> The Chinese mostly uses for to speculate in the stock market
Dec 30 09:09:17 <unique311> the apps and  games have to be ported to os2008
Dec 30 09:09:22 <We> Quetoo (Quake2) v0.5.0-5zs is on os 2007 section but can it work for n810 too?
Dec 30 09:09:27 <unique311> which is happening right now
Dec 30 09:09:34 <Vulcanis> quetoo works
Dec 30 09:09:43 <Luria> back. celebrate
Dec 30 09:09:43 <Vulcanis> you need to grab -6, though
Dec 30 09:09:56 <We> -6 what?
Dec 30 09:10:00 <Vulcanis> http://www2.lut.fi/~thietan1/quetoo/
Dec 30 09:10:10 <Vulcanis> go grab 0.5.0-6
Dec 30 09:10:20 <YY> but i use it on download movie
Dec 30 09:10:53 <unique311> We, try to PM me
Dec 30 09:11:00 <We> sure
Dec 30 09:11:14 <Luria> yeah, but you need data files, no?
Dec 30 09:11:45 <Vulcanis> for what, luria?
Dec 30 09:11:49 <Vulcanis> quetoo? Yes.
Dec 30 09:12:39 <Luria> q2
Dec 30 09:12:56 <Vulcanis> yeah, you need the .paks on an mmc
Dec 30 09:13:24 <Vulcanis> and you kinda need to edit a user.cfg so the brightness is bearable instead of darker-than-doom3 and unplayable
Dec 30 09:14:01 <Luria> also, i need a mouse :-)
Dec 30 09:14:23 <Vulcanis> screen, though it is VERY uncomfortable when you use the d-pad with fullscreen as trigger
Dec 30 09:14:41 <Luria> i have a real keyboard with me
Dec 30 09:14:45 <Vulcanis> I play it with a BT KB and screen as a mouse, still, some button close to WASD as fire
Dec 30 09:15:14 <Luria> do any bt mice work?
Dec 30 09:15:21 <Vulcanis> don't believe so
Dec 30 09:15:32 <Luria> i thought so
Dec 30 09:15:41 <Vulcanis> Iwould assume they'd lag too much to be playable, too
Dec 30 09:16:23 <Luria> hmm. hid bt does suck on maemo.
Dec 30 09:16:33 <Vulcanis> yeah, the KB lags alot
Dec 30 09:16:50 <Luria> and repeats
Dec 30 09:20:11 <staulkor> hey
Dec 30 09:23:15 <YY> i like a game in nokia named cake house
Dec 30 09:23:26 <Luria> yo
Dec 30 09:23:37 <staulkor> has anybody had any luck with autoscan on OS2008?
Dec 30 09:23:57 <staulkor> i got it to install with no issues, but when I go to run it, it says loading, and then nothing happens :P
Dec 30 09:24:01 <We> sorry
Dec 30 09:24:03 <We> :(
Dec 30 09:24:17 <Luria> careful with autoscan
Dec 30 09:24:27 <We> NickServ- Password Incorrect doesn't work shit
Dec 30 09:24:32 <We> :''''(
Dec 30 09:24:36 <Luria> if you are using the old 770 package
Dec 30 09:24:49 <staulkor> i got the one from autoscan.fr
Dec 30 09:24:55 <staulkor> so im assuming that is the old one
Dec 30 09:25:01 <Luria> the daemon does not play well with power saving
Dec 30 09:25:10 <Luria> you will kill your battery
Dec 30 09:25:16 <staulkor> hmm
Dec 30 09:25:22 <staulkor> but there is a new one out there?
Dec 30 09:25:32 <staulkor> im attempt to compile a new one, but i keep running into lib issues
Dec 30 09:25:35 <Luria> (i had this under bora, have not tried with chinook)
Dec 30 09:25:46 <staulkor> got a link? ill try it out :)
Dec 30 09:26:01 <Luria> i mean i had this problem under chinook
Dec 30 09:26:07 <staulkor> ah
Dec 30 09:26:17 <Luria> i mean under bora
Dec 30 09:26:24 <Luria> and never tried on chinook
Dec 30 09:26:56 <staulkor> i got the deb off autoscan.fr and i guess thats the one built for the 770
Dec 30 09:28:14 <We> unique311 are u there?
Dec 30 09:28:44 <Luria> http://www.lipstadt.com/noted/
Dec 30 09:28:44 <We> PSX / Playstation 1 Emulator for n800/n810 possible?
Dec 30 09:28:51 <Luria> scroll to the bottom of the page
Dec 30 09:29:39 <Luria> staulkor, that was for you
Dec 30 09:29:45 <We> ?
Dec 30 09:29:48 <staulkor> k, reading
Dec 30 09:29:50 <Luria> the link
Dec 30 09:29:53 <We> PSX / Playstation 1 Emulator for n800/n810 possible???????
Dec 30 09:30:02 <Luria> We, no idea
Dec 30 09:30:15 <Luria> search internettablettalk.com forums
Dec 30 09:30:49 <We> unique311
Dec 30 09:30:52 <staulkor> hmm
Dec 30 09:33:28 <Luria> that really sucked, btw.
Dec 30 09:34:31 <staulkor> well i guess i have to attempt to compile a new autoscan
Dec 30 09:34:59 <staulkor> im trying to get gtk2 libs on there, but it yelling at me about dependencies
Dec 30 09:35:08 <staulkor> and it comes down to libpng12-0 which is already on there
Dec 30 09:35:10 <staulkor> but it says it isnt
Dec 30 09:35:17 <Luria> one that knows that the net connection is down :-)
Dec 30 09:35:23 <Vulcanis> [04:29:58] <We> PSX / Playstation 1 Emulator for n800/n810 possible??????? -- it probably works ok now that the processor runs at 400mhz, but you'll need to talk with pupnik to see if it can work on 08
Dec 30 09:35:57 <iDS> agg
Dec 30 09:36:10 <Vulcanis> [04:29:58] <We> PSX / Playstation 1 Emulator for n800/n810 possible??????? -- it probably works ok now that the processor runs at 400mhz, but you'll need to talk with pupnik to see if it can work on 08
Dec 30 09:36:44 <We> :D
Dec 30 09:36:47 <We> thank u
Dec 30 09:36:58 <EY> Can anyone suggest a ood GTD app for OS2008 please?
Dec 30 09:37:47 <EY> good*
Dec 30 09:38:32 <Luria> gtd?
Dec 30 09:38:54 <Vulcanis> getting things done, I believe.
Dec 30 09:38:59 <Luria> ah
Dec 30 09:39:04 <EY> Or, can Ruby + Tracks be installed on OS2008
Dec 30 09:39:11 <Vulcanis> Nevermind.
Dec 30 09:39:16 <Luria> depends on which things :-)
Dec 30 09:39:24 <Vulcanis> no, luria, different.
Dec 30 09:40:38 <EY> I think the editors just don't cut it -- not enough  screen-space.
Dec 30 09:41:02 <Vulcanis> low fontsize + better glasses = win
Dec 30 09:41:40 <Luria> notecase +  server side app?
Dec 30 09:42:12 <EY> Haha!
Dec 30 09:42:26 <EY> Notecase?
Dec 30 09:42:48 <Luria> ?
Dec 30 09:43:24 <Luria> but no alarms
Dec 30 09:43:36 <Luria> i dont think there is a single solution
Dec 30 09:43:42 <EY> URL?
Dec 30 09:44:05 <Luria> not offhand, google notecase and maemo
Dec 30 09:44:15 <EY> I don't use alarms anyway.
Dec 30 09:44:34 <Luria> some of the gpe apps might work for you
Dec 30 09:45:42 <EY> Tried them. They are still buggy.
Dec 30 09:47:33 <EY> Found notcase. Will give it a try.
Dec 30 09:47:53 <Luria> k
Dec 30 09:47:57 <Luria> bbl
Dec 30 09:48:41 <EY> Funny how finger-tapping helped me find the apex of my rather flat thumb tip :-)
Dec 30 10:04:25 <We> guys
Dec 30 10:04:35 <We>  Question
Dec 30 10:04:40 <We>  1
Dec 30 10:04:44 <We> question
Dec 30 10:04:46 <We> !!!!!
Dec 30 10:04:55 <We> someone still here?
Dec 30 10:05:10 * celesteh yawns
Dec 30 10:05:14 <kulve> "still"?
Dec 30 10:05:26 <We> :D
Dec 30 10:05:36 <celesteh> past my bedtime
Dec 30 10:05:46 <We> n800 and n810 can support subtitle files for the movies?
Dec 30 10:05:55 <We> srt files
Dec 30 10:06:05 <We> someone test it yet?
Dec 30 10:06:19 <kulve> well, they can't play movie files as is anyway..
Dec 30 10:06:26 <We> creat an folder and insert both movie and srt file into that
Dec 30 10:06:37 <We> they can't play movie files as is anyway..???????
Dec 30 10:06:49 <We> i am talking about divx avi files
Dec 30 10:06:52 <kulve> too high resolution in the movies
Dec 30 10:07:08 <We> creat an folder and insert both movie and srt file into that
Dec 30 10:07:23 <kulve> if you transcode them to something suitable for the tablets, you can probably insert the subtitle to the video then..
Dec 30 10:07:25 <We> then srt subtitle can work?
Dec 30 10:07:40 <kulve> the built-in player won't support subtitles
Dec 30 10:07:53 <kulve> mplayer might
Dec 30 10:08:36 <We> well it is very intersting please test it now if u can
Dec 30 10:08:38 <We> :D
Dec 30 10:08:45 <kulve> I can't
Dec 30 10:08:49 <We> why?
Dec 30 10:09:12 <kulve> a) I don't use mplayer, b) I don't have subtitles
Dec 30 10:09:36 <We> ummm but it is really a good idea
Dec 30 10:09:43 <We> but finally possible?
Dec 30 10:09:44 * celesteh comes with subtitles (est avec soustitres)
Dec 30 10:11:44 <We> and
Dec 30 10:11:47 <celesteh> we, maybe you could test this yourself?
Dec 30 10:11:54 <celesteh> and maybe lay off the coffee some, mate
Dec 30 10:12:11 <We> which one is Brightness? n800 or n810?
Dec 30 10:12:34 <We> celeste i don't buy it yet 1 month later new n810 :D
Dec 30 10:12:45 <celesteh> ah, very exciting for you
Dec 30 10:13:32 <We> yes dude :D
Dec 30 10:13:44 <We> which one is Brightness? n800 or n810??????
Dec 30 10:13:55 <kulve> what do you mean?
Dec 30 10:14:11 <We> well the most Brightness
Dec 30 10:14:14 <celesteh> i do not understand the question.  It's possible to make the screen more or less bright
Dec 30 10:14:23 <celesteh> oh, brightest
Dec 30 10:15:03 <celesteh> i don't have enough energy to follow this much enthusiasm.  'night all.
Dec 30 10:15:32 <We> yes?
Dec 30 10:15:42 <We> oh damn sorry
Dec 30 10:15:47 <We> yes brightest
Dec 30 10:15:56 <We> which one is the most brightest?
Dec 30 10:16:11 <kulve> if you mean which one has more bright display, then I think they are quite equal. Somebody did say that the n810 is better in direct sunlight, but I have only n800, so I don't know
Dec 30 10:16:37 <We> :D cool
Dec 30 10:16:59 <We> i am very exciting to buy it as soon as possible
Dec 30 10:17:29 <We> well someone is from UAE now?
Dec 30 10:17:45 <kulve> uae?
Dec 30 10:18:03 <timelyx> country
Dec 30 10:18:03 <We> yes
Dec 30 10:18:30 <We> UAE (United Arab Emirates)
Dec 30 10:19:03 <zs> hi, i wonder how to create a simple game, how can I load graphics, what should I use?
Dec 30 10:19:35 <kulve> zs: google for sdl
Dec 30 10:20:12 <zs> so I can use SDL :)
Dec 30 10:20:22 <kulve> yes
Dec 30 10:20:45 <zs> ok i will google thanks ;~)
Dec 30 10:22:48 <melmoth> zs there is a nice sdl python wrapper available (pygame)
Dec 30 10:24:09 <zs> yeah but I don't know python ;)
Dec 30 10:25:30 <melmoth> there s C then.
Dec 30 10:25:43 <hahlo> can I install os2008 kernel to os2007, or some other way get newer kernel in os2007?
Dec 30 10:25:45 <We> someone know The Operating time For Video?
Dec 30 10:26:04 <kulve> hahlo: why do you want a newer kernel?
Dec 30 10:26:49 <hahlo> ain't there improvment in newer usually?
Dec 30 10:26:49 <We> ??????????/
Dec 30 10:27:37 <kulve> hahlo: maybe, but they might need a new stuff from the user space too.. So I don't recommend it.
Dec 30 10:27:51 <We> ???????????
Dec 30 10:28:00 <kulve> hahlo: and you would need the initfs too since it contains some kernel modules. And that contains some userspace stuff that might not work with the 2007
Dec 30 10:28:37 <hahlo> Ok. so 2.6.18 forever then
Dec 30 10:29:03 <We> can someone reply me please?
Dec 30 10:29:12 <kulve> We: maybe nobody here knows the answer?
Dec 30 10:29:30 <kulve> We: or maybe nobody wants to answer since you are flooding question marks here..
Dec 30 10:29:39 <We> lol
Dec 30 10:29:42 <We> why :(
Dec 30 10:29:53 <We> it was only a simple question
Dec 30 10:30:06 <kulve> no it wasn't
Dec 30 10:30:17 <We> (13:56:56) (We) someone know The Operating time For Video? really hard?
Dec 30 10:30:18 * melmoth do not understand "operating time"
Dec 30 10:30:21 <kulve> depends on the video codec, quality, sound tract, etch
Dec 30 10:30:38 <kulve> on the battery age
Dec 30 10:30:41 <We> avi files
Dec 30 10:31:25 <kulve> according to the Nokia:
Dec 30 10:31:26 <kulve> Continuous usage (display on, wireless LAN active): up to 4 hours
Dec 30 10:31:27 <kulve> Music playback: up to 10 hours
Dec 30 10:31:35 <kulve> make your own conclusions
Dec 30 10:31:40 <We> i knew that page
Dec 30 10:31:52 <We> but it never said the vide files
Dec 30 10:32:22 * hahlo wonders why os2008 doesn't work for me, tried twice and went back to os2007
Dec 30 10:32:41 <kulve> hahlo: what do you mean "doesn't work"?
Dec 30 10:33:16 <hahlo> skype falls everytime after few sec speak
Dec 30 10:34:33 <kulve> ok, so the os2008 works, the skype on 2008 doesn't.. I've never even started the skype, so I can't help, sorry.
Dec 30 10:35:30 <hahlo> others report that their skype works, it can be fi_FI locale thing
Dec 30 10:37:55 <We> >:I
Dec 30 10:39:29 * We slaps kulve with Ozzy Osbourne
Dec 30 10:48:05 <YY> :P
Dec 30 11:24:46 <maddler> morning all
Dec 30 11:24:59 <zs> morning morning ;)
Dec 30 11:51:12 <YY> G`night
Dec 30 11:55:35 <zs> anyone has simple example of using SDL ?
Dec 30 11:57:57 <melmoth> http://www.libsdl.org/tutorials.php
Dec 30 12:00:24 <zs> melmoth, ok, but i compiled one exaple, on PC it runs ok but on my nokia i have Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)
Dec 30 12:01:32 <rm_you> lol ok
Dec 30 12:01:38 <rm_you> i guess the topic answered my question :P
Dec 30 12:02:32 <rm_you> You guys have probably been hearing this all day, so i appologize in advance: Any idea when the repo will be fixed? :(
Dec 30 12:02:59 <rm_you> I guess I just chose a bad day to upgrade >_>
Dec 30 12:07:55 <melmoth> zs well, if it segfault, gdb is your friend.
Dec 30 12:09:08 <zs> i don't know him ;) could you explain me what it is?
Dec 30 12:11:47 <youam> is there any estimate on when the maemo.org repositories are going to be fixed again? is there some existing workaround against them?
Dec 30 12:14:34 <melmoth> zs gdb is a debugger, when your application segfault, it s because it try to access (or free) a memory that does not belong to it
Dec 30 12:14:48 <hugolp> youam:  my guess is that after holiday nothing is going to be fixed
Dec 30 12:15:03 <melmoth> it produce a core (an image of the stack) that can be use to replay what happen, and with gdb you can see step by step what has been done
Dec 30 12:15:31 <melmoth> if you are lucky, the problem lies in your application...if you are not, you spotted a maemo sdl bug
Dec 30 12:16:36 <melmoth> zs if you are not familiar with C , you may consider using python.. At least with python you are sure it s not a bug in your app when you hit a segfault :)
Dec 30 12:21:26 <zs> melmoth: thanks I want to learn C and I will stick with it, thanks for your answer ;)
Dec 30 12:24:36 <melmoth> zs http://sources.redhat.com/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb_toc.html
Dec 30 12:25:00 <melmoth> zs compile your application with the gcc -g option to be able to see the function and variable names
Dec 30 12:25:39 <melmoth> if the problem lies in a packaged library, then be sure to install the debug symbol package for it or it wont makes sense.
Dec 30 12:25:48 <zs> ok i will try
Dec 30 12:26:26 * melmoth sings it s a long way to the top if you wanna rock n roll...
Dec 30 12:26:53 <rm_you> youam: i am trying to find out as well >_> i picked a bad day to flash my completely working n800 to OS2008 >_>
Dec 30 12:27:25 <rm_you> i was kinda hoping someone had a mirror of the repo in a working state...
Dec 30 12:27:32 <rm_you> *I* may have to start doing that
Dec 30 12:28:33 <melmoth> rm_you: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13721
Dec 30 12:29:01 <melmoth> i think i ll wait this whole issue is fixed before upgrading to os2008
Dec 30 12:29:11 <rm_you> ooo
Dec 30 12:29:20 <rm_you> seriously? that's it?
Dec 30 12:29:22 <rm_you> >_>
Dec 30 12:29:32 <konttori> Hey, why is this repository problem still here?
Dec 30 12:29:41 <konttori> I thought it would be a one day issue
Dec 30 12:30:09 <konttori> seriously, what's the reason for it here?
Dec 30 12:30:29 * melmoth guess typo in a dns configuration file and holiday on top of that.
Dec 30 12:30:33 <konttori> or has it been fixed?
Dec 30 12:31:35 <rm_you> i like the "echo 62.61.85.32 repository.maemo.org >> /etc/hosts
Dec 30 12:31:35 <rm_you> " solution >_>
Dec 30 12:31:50 <rm_you> it's the simplest to do/undo for me
Dec 30 12:32:29 <rm_you> of course, the first thing I did was redpill and install vim, so... maybe that's just me :P
Dec 30 12:37:14 * konttori has finally applied playbin patch to ukmp -> much rejoicing
Dec 30 12:37:34 <rm_you> playbin?
Dec 30 12:38:56 <rm_you> regardless, yay ukmp :P
Dec 30 12:39:25 <zs> yeah i made it, now it works fine :)
Dec 30 12:40:02 <rm_you> oh, gstreamer stuff
Dec 30 12:40:19 <rm_you> looks like a cool feature :P what was it using before?
Dec 30 12:41:00 <konttori> gnomevfssrc
Dec 30 12:41:32 <konttori> playbin takes the hassle out of gstreamer playback.
Dec 30 12:41:40 <rm_you> it does look that way
Dec 30 12:42:02 * rm_you reads http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/manual/html/chapter-components.html
Dec 30 12:42:04 <konttori> I'm testing it now for a while and when it's ok, I'll upload it along with some other fixes to ukmp.
Dec 30 12:42:48 <rm_you> well, time to do what I installed OS2008 to do!
Dec 30 12:42:59 * rm_you starts tweaking with a2dp
Dec 30 12:43:49 <konttori> is there support for a2dp already?
Dec 30 12:44:42 <rm_you> sorta
Dec 30 12:44:50 <rm_you> johnx got most of it working
Dec 30 12:44:59 <rm_you> i'm going to try to continue his work
Dec 30 12:45:21 <rm_you> I focus on video playback stuff though usually... like, i had video working with a2dp in OS2007 :)
Dec 30 12:45:56 <konttori> so, it will work on gstreamer as well? Also dsp mp3 playback?
Dec 30 12:46:08 <rm_you> well, not at the moment, i don't think
Dec 30 12:46:18 <konttori> so, mplayer?
Dec 30 12:46:23 <rm_you> his method is more of a kickback to 2007
Dec 30 12:46:25 <rm_you> IE, alsa
Dec 30 12:46:29 <rm_you> yea
Dec 30 12:46:45 <rm_you> hardware processing still notsomuch i believe
Dec 30 12:49:54 <konttori> sweet. now volume stuff works also.  I'll now leave my device for a 'stress test' and go and get lunch.
Dec 30 12:50:08 <rm_you> heh
Dec 30 12:58:35 <rm_you> wowwtf
Dec 30 12:59:12 <rm_you> I just wanted to test mplayer so i played a video i had encoded for it... and i had just paired my bluetooth headphones... and it played the audio through those by default >_>
Dec 30 12:59:17 <rm_you> i havent done the rest of the blueooth setup yet
Dec 30 12:59:27 <rm_you> i don't think this is a2dp... but weird
Dec 30 12:59:34 <rm_you> wasn't expecting that *at all*
Dec 30 13:37:19 <rm_you> So, anyone have a build environment set up at the moment? >_>
Dec 30 13:37:57 <rm_you> err, and is also willing to help with some a2dp playback experiments for os2008?
Dec 30 13:42:41 <hahlo> I have scratchbox2 but it doesn't build any armel.debs.
Dec 30 13:44:43 <rm_you> :(
Dec 30 13:45:17 <rm_you> i'm working on setting up my own but it'll take a while, and the fix i need to make is ridiculously small >_>
Dec 30 13:45:32 <rm_you> which is why this is kinda ridiculous
Dec 30 13:46:13 <hahlo> ok
Dec 30 13:47:38 <hahlo> I tried 'sb2 apt-get source tin' and then dbkg build but didn't got any tin.armel.deb
Dec 30 13:52:06 <rm_you> hrm.... darn. I guess i will need to figure out how to use sb2, huh? :P
Dec 30 13:59:42 <kpel> hi all
Dec 30 14:01:09 <kpel> is gronmayer.com down?
Dec 30 14:06:14 <kpel> does anyone know where to find xchat for os2008. it's not in the package list.
Dec 30 14:12:27 <eber_it> hi!
Dec 30 14:12:33 <rm_you> :)
Dec 30 14:12:53 <NigraFuz_> kpel : i just found it here : http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Dec 30 14:13:28 <eber_it> this is typed from xchat on n810
Dec 30 14:15:05 <kpel> i suppose it will work for my n800 running os2008. thanks NigraFuz_
Dec 30 14:15:44 <NigraFuz_> kpel: i think it will
Dec 30 14:16:00 <rm_you> i'm going to try it now too
Dec 30 14:16:05 <kpel> let's see...
Dec 30 14:18:00 <eber_it> no obvious bug - seems a very good port
Dec 30 14:19:04 <rm_you|n800> seems to work nicely
Dec 30 14:19:23 <kpel> good news. thanks guys. i'm still typing the url :)
Dec 30 14:19:34 <rm_you|n800> lol
Dec 30 14:19:59 <kpel> do you guys get the same letter typed twice sometimes? i mean one tap of the stylus results in two letters appearing
Dec 30 14:20:14 <rm_you> yeah
Dec 30 14:20:18 <rm_you> seems to do that
Dec 30 14:20:19 <kpel> or maybe it's parkinson's at an early stage :)
Dec 30 14:20:28 <kpel> ah, ok, it's not parkinson's
Dec 30 14:20:42 <rm_you> i'm pretty nimble with that stylus, and it did that to me like three times in the last few minutes
Dec 30 14:21:03 <kpel> yeah, it's a bit naughty. hopefully it will get sorted out.
Dec 30 14:21:34 <rm_you> wow
Dec 30 14:21:38 <rm_you> this version has a tray icon!
Dec 30 14:21:42 <rm_you> my last one didn't.
Dec 30 14:22:12 <rm_you> just checking again... does anyone here have a build environment set up and producing armel debs?
Dec 30 14:22:13 <NigraFuz_> i don't understand why it's not on maemo site
Dec 30 14:22:29 <rm_you> like 90% of the packages i used to use are just *missing* from maemo
Dec 30 14:22:32 <rm_you> but they still exist...
Dec 30 14:22:42 <EY> .debs seem to be OK now. Time to change the topic?
Dec 30 14:22:49 <rm_you> err, but os2008 versions do exist
Dec 30 14:23:00 <NigraFuz_> and the ones from maemo are not usable because repository is broken :)
Dec 30 14:23:28 <rm_you> EY: They are
Dec 30 14:23:29 <rm_you> ?
Dec 30 14:23:38 <rm_you> weren't working for me about 5 minutes ago still
Dec 30 14:23:43 <EY> What has an icon in the system tray?
Dec 30 14:23:48 <rm_you> XChat
Dec 30 14:24:03 <rm_you> on OS2008
Dec 30 14:25:38 <EY> Oh... My mistake, I'm using the backup repoStory's.
Dec 30 14:25:43 <kpel_N800> it's alive!
Dec 30 14:25:48 <rm_you> :P
Dec 30 14:26:53 <NigraFuz_> it seems xchat drops private messages
Dec 30 14:26:58 <rm_you> :/
Dec 30 14:27:16 <EY> I'm still honeymoon-ing with this N800. wonder how much I'll use it afterwards.
Dec 30 14:27:42 <kpel> provate messages work for me with xchat
Dec 30 14:28:02 <kpel> NickDe: you mean '/query blah' right?
Dec 30 14:28:22 <kpel> perhaps you have some network settign that prevents queries from certain users?
Dec 30 14:28:34 * EY is learning to appreciate IRC on Pidgin.
Dec 30 14:28:38 <NigraFuz_> simple /msg
Dec 30 14:29:00 <kpel> EY: you are a HERO! I tried pidgin but commands like /whois simply wouldn't work.
Dec 30 14:29:54 <NigraFuz_> ok my mistakes, it seems private messages are blocked by freenode because i'm unregistered
Dec 30 14:30:09 <kpel> yeah, thought so
Dec 30 14:30:16 <kpel> because even /msg works here
Dec 30 14:31:08 <NigraFuz_> now i need a good pim with desktop synchronisation and i've got a working device
Dec 30 14:31:27 <kpel> the gpe suite?
Dec 30 14:31:43 <kpel> gpe-calendar, gpe-contacts, etc?
Dec 30 14:31:54 <kpel> i'm not sure about desktop sync though
Dec 30 14:32:03 <NigraFuz_> i think i've to live with this at the moment
Dec 30 14:32:10 <EY> Works here. The info is displayed in a separate window.
Dec 30 14:32:15 <NigraFuz_> calendar should work with opensync
Dec 30 14:32:58 <NigraFuz_> calendar has some bugs, and other gpe applications crash really often
Dec 30 14:33:01 <kpel> NickDe: you have installed opensync on the desktop?
Dec 30 14:33:02 * EY wants contacts synchro with his Nokia 6630.
Dec 30 14:33:28 <kpel> EY: does gnokii work for you?
Dec 30 14:33:59 <kpel> gnokii worked for my 6280 at some point but s60 phones like s60 are somewhat more difficult
Dec 30 14:34:19 <EY> But it's not too bad, given one can still navigate .vcf cards on the phone via BT.
Dec 30 14:35:02 <EY> kpel, I'll try it.
Dec 30 14:35:42 <kpel> EY: the project has also a room here in freenode. #gnokii
Dec 30 14:36:13 <EY> Cool. Thanks.
Dec 30 14:36:27 <kpel> not sure if you can find anyone present these days but worth a try if all else fails.
Dec 30 14:37:24 <eber_> hello again
Dec 30 14:37:25 <We> .
Dec 30 14:37:29 <EY> I'll keep that in mind.
Dec 30 14:37:48 <eber_> do you know if there is an api to read or update contact database ?
Dec 30 14:39:46 <kpel> no idea
Dec 30 14:40:09 <eber_it> xchat is event better in fullscreen mode
Dec 30 14:46:47 <|tbb|> any way to restore passwort from an account which was setting up on moddest emailclient
Dec 30 14:47:48 <eber_> tbb: do you want to recover password from modest configuration ?
Dec 30 15:03:03 <|tbb|> eber yes
Dec 30 15:09:49 <EY> Is it possible to replace the default e-mail client?
Dec 30 15:10:13 <rm_you> dunno about replace... i use claws-mail tho
Dec 30 15:10:26 <rm_you> it just... ignores the old one?
Dec 30 15:10:57 <EY> That's what I want :-)
Dec 30 15:11:03 <rm_you> has anyone here gotten mplayer to compile in scratchbox?
Dec 30 15:11:10 <EY> Thanks.
Dec 30 15:11:14 <rm_you> EY: well, that works :) just install i
Dec 30 15:11:16 <rm_you> *it
Dec 30 15:11:18 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 15:11:20 <rm_you> np :P
Dec 30 15:11:47 <EY> Will do.
Dec 30 15:12:36 <eber_> mplayer is available already compiled
Dec 30 15:13:45 <rm_you> right, i know
Dec 30 15:13:56 <rm_you> but i need to get it to compile correctly, because i need to make some changes to the code
Dec 30 15:14:09 <eber_> ok sorry
Dec 30 15:14:25 <rm_you> i'm applying a patch I wrote that will hopefully improve bluetooth a2dp :P
Dec 30 15:14:48 <rm_you> but getting mplayer to build at all (even without my patch) is not working
Dec 30 15:15:28 <eber_> at the moment i've only built the hello world application, so i won't be able to help :)
Dec 30 15:15:57 <rm_you> heh
Dec 30 15:16:13 <rm_you> well, if you want to try to compile mplayer for armel and see how it goes...
Dec 30 15:16:19 <rm_you> maybe yours will automagically work?
Dec 30 15:16:19 <konttori> hmm.. wasn't mplayer supposed to be easily compilable from the garage sources?
Dec 30 15:16:34 <rm_you> i did: apt-get source mplayer
Dec 30 15:16:49 <konttori> hmm.. perhaps you should get the source from garage site
Dec 30 15:16:55 <rm_you> and then: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
Dec 30 15:17:00 <rm_you> possibly
Dec 30 15:17:09 <rm_you> but... it grabbed the right source, it seems
Dec 30 15:17:12 <rm_you> i'll try that though
Dec 30 15:19:53 <rm_you> ok, got those sources, and patched, building on that
Dec 30 15:20:27 <rm_you> nope, same error
Dec 30 15:20:49 <rm_you> wait...
Dec 30 15:21:43 <rm_you> wow
Dec 30 15:21:55 <rm_you> the only version available via garage is all the way back at .18
Dec 30 15:22:07 <rm_you> that's pre-0s2008
Dec 30 15:22:13 <rm_you> *pre-os2008
Dec 30 15:23:05 <rm_you> their page referrs me to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046
Dec 30 15:23:17 <rm_you> which refers me to the standard repo for the sources >_> which is what i have.
Dec 30 15:23:20 * rm_you pouts
Dec 30 15:24:17 <yabbas> has anyone managed to get mice working under chinook without recompiling Xomap?
Dec 30 15:24:55 <yabbas> is there a daemon of some form or sort that can map a device onto another device?
Dec 30 15:24:59 <yabbas> etc
Dec 30 15:26:53 <LoCusF> is there a workaround on getting a different charset for osso-xterm?
Dec 30 15:39:49 <atlas95> hello
Dec 30 15:40:11 <atlas95> how to have tuner FM on the n810 please?
Dec 30 15:41:01 <nomis> atlas95: is the hardware actually in the device?
Dec 30 15:41:31 <atlas95> I don't know ..
Dec 30 15:41:48 <atlas95> in the n800 yes, but i'm not sure in the n810
Dec 30 15:41:54 <zuh> AFAIK it isn't
Dec 30 15:46:35 <konttori> rm_you: ok. cool. good that you have the right ones then. I hope you have luck compiling it
Dec 30 15:47:35 <rm_you> konttori: well, luck seems to be failing me, as i have NO idea how to proceed. these aren't the type of error messages i can debug and fix
Dec 30 15:47:52 <rm_you> it's all assembly stuff that it says armel doesn't support...
Dec 30 15:49:20 <shacka1>  atlas95 there's no FM
Dec 30 15:49:32 <atlas95> ho :(
Dec 30 15:49:39 <atlas95> they are stupid :(
Dec 30 15:49:42 <atlas95> why remove it :(
Dec 30 15:49:56 <rm_you> yeah... i'm actually thinking i like my n800 better than the new n810 >_>
Dec 30 15:50:15 <atlas95> I have just command a n810
Dec 30 15:50:24 <rm_you> i have a bluetooth gps and keyboard... and my gps is better (fix in like 10 seconds hot, under 45 seconds cold)
Dec 30 15:50:31 <atlas95> and I want to tell us for command a n800 :s
Dec 30 15:51:06 <shacka1> atlas95: command what?
Dec 30 15:51:20 <rm_you> atlas95: what is your native language? just curious
Dec 30 15:51:32 <atlas95> french sorry :(
Dec 30 15:52:12 <zoran> sorry cause you speek french  :)
Dec 30 15:52:16 <atlas95> I'm thinking about maybe call nokia for have a n800 and not a n810
Dec 30 15:52:42 <shacka1> atlas95: you bought a n810 without knowing what's inside it?
Dec 30 15:52:55 <zoran> beware that nokia dumps older hardware easily
Dec 30 15:53:08 <atlas95> no, I know what is inside but I have just discover the n800 had a tuner fm
Dec 30 15:53:18 <atlas95> hidden
Dec 30 15:53:34 <rm_you> atlas95: you could sell your n810 on ebay and buy an n800, and make some money back in the process :P
Dec 30 15:53:48 <rm_you> in the US, n800 sell for approximately $220
Dec 30 15:53:57 <rm_you> n810 sell for about $450
Dec 30 15:54:33 <atlas95> yes, it is not very very important, I have a nokia n70 phone
Dec 30 15:54:39 <atlas95> which have a tunerfm
Dec 30 15:54:46 <rm_you> :)
Dec 30 15:54:52 <rm_you> yeah, i don't use the tuner much
Dec 30 15:54:55 <atlas95> we can't have all inside ...
Dec 30 15:54:57 <rm_you> i have hours of mp3 :)
Dec 30 15:55:18 <atlas95> me too, I will listen for my mp3 in train
Dec 30 15:55:20 <maddler> atlas95: buy a cheap fm receiver and stick it on the back of your n810 :)
Dec 30 15:55:43 <atlas95> lol maddler
Dec 30 15:55:44 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 15:56:08 <atlas95> or I search a good electrician
Dec 30 15:56:12 <atlas95> for add it inside
Dec 30 15:56:15 <maddler> atlas95: also...
Dec 30 15:56:32 <atlas95> and broke my garanty :D
Dec 30 15:56:37 <maddler> a very good electrician anyway :)
Dec 30 15:56:54 <maddler> you could try removing something... keyboard? :)
Dec 30 15:57:01 <zoran> or screen
Dec 30 15:57:09 <atlas95> yes, for win little space
Dec 30 15:57:21 <atlas95> I think the screen is the better thing to remove :p
Dec 30 15:57:47 <maddler> dunno... I'd vote for   bluetooth :)
Dec 30 15:57:47 * |tbb| just modded his old 770 carholder, to fit in a 810 unit very  easily plug in/out  without scratches
Dec 30 15:57:56 <zoran> power up wifi and read it with minds
Dec 30 15:58:19 <yabbas> doesn't the N810 already have a car holder in the box?
Dec 30 15:58:39 <yabbas> also - FM is useless when everywhere goes digital
Dec 30 15:58:59 <|tbb|> yeah but not that easy to plug in/out. i think after many tries you get scratches
Dec 30 15:59:26 <zoran> how behaves kb on n810?
Dec 30 15:59:27 <|tbb|> also its better to slide out the keyboard on the 770carholder
Dec 30 15:59:35 <|R> FM is still fun when travelling in a train in a foreign country
Dec 30 15:59:59 <atlas95> we have a lot of radio in france ..
Dec 30 16:00:18 <|R> T'es oĂą en France? :)
Dec 30 16:00:29 <atlas95> val d'oise
Dec 30 16:00:37 <atlas95> et toi?
Dec 30 16:00:41 <|R> Montréal ;)
Dec 30 16:00:49 <atlas95> ha ... c'est pas a côté
Dec 30 16:00:57 <atlas95> :)
Dec 30 16:01:01 <|R> hehe non :)
Dec 30 16:01:22 <skibur> good morning
Dec 30 16:01:27 <skibur> on my end
Dec 30 16:01:28 <skibur> :)
Dec 30 16:01:29 <rm_you> I was trying to use the n800 radio in Japan, but they use an entirely different set of frequencies so i could only pick up like one channel
Dec 30 16:01:39 <atlas95> |R t'as le n810 ?
Dec 30 16:01:56 <|tbb|> anyone noticed on maemopad+ u have three type of boldness. pushing your stylus low on the tablet you get a grey line the more you push the more bolder it becomes
Dec 30 16:02:13 <|R> atlas95 : pas encore non, j attend que les discount codes de nokias pour les développeurs soient activés
Dec 30 16:02:29 <|R> atlas95 : (J'suis sensé avoir un rabais ... un jour ... :P)
Dec 30 16:02:33 <atlas95> ha mon pauvre ca fait un baille que vous attendez
Dec 30 16:02:56 <|R> ouais :(
Dec 30 16:02:59 <atlas95> apres que le pere noel et ma paie soit tomber, je l'ai commander vendredi chez nokia
Dec 30 16:03:07 <atlas95> j'espere qu'il va arriver vers mercredi
Dec 30 16:03:15 <rm_you> konttori: maybe it's my build setup that is wrong... when you build ukmp, what command do you use to make sure it knows to build in/for armel
Dec 30 16:03:37 <|R> |tbb| : yep, the screen is pressure sensitive to... i think 4 level (?)
Dec 30 16:03:55 <|R> rm_you : japan is all mixed up hehe :)
Dec 30 16:04:08 <|R> (i'm going at the end of mars, just got my tickets, wooo! ;)
Dec 30 16:04:11 <konttori> ukmp is python.
Dec 30 16:04:15 <|tbb|> for what is it good for except painting
Dec 30 16:04:16 <konttori> so, none.
Dec 30 16:04:25 <rm_you> |R: lol yeah.... their cell phones don't use any standard frequencies either... so even quadband phones don't work there
Dec 30 16:04:31 <rm_you> konttori: oh. right. dur.
Dec 30 16:04:41 <|R> they're using some CDMA variant?
Dec 30 16:04:44 <rm_you> yep
Dec 30 16:04:51 * |R lost with all these proprietary networks
Dec 30 16:12:03 <|tbb|> |r| for what pressure sensitive touchscreen is good for
Dec 30 16:14:56 <|R> |tbb| : it's far from perfect, but still funny :)
Dec 30 16:15:36 <|tbb|> anyway for what could it be good for
Dec 30 16:15:58 <rm_you> to tell the difference between stylus and finger?
Dec 30 16:16:03 <rm_you> no, nm
Dec 30 16:16:13 <rm_you> they do that differently >_>
Dec 30 16:16:34 <|R> well, push pull interface...
Dec 30 16:16:47 <|R> drawing ... or ... 3d VR haha :P
Dec 30 16:19:31 <|tbb|> ah for example  kinetic scrolling the more harder you push and up/down the more faster it runs. way to go for ukmp and kagu playa
Dec 30 16:20:32 <wumpus> well you should be afraid of pushing to hard then :)
Dec 30 16:22:42 <|tbb|> wonder if gimp will be ported to os2008 ;)
Dec 30 16:22:49 <rm_you> *&@#^(*^#@!()#@ why won't this build >_<
Dec 30 16:23:36 <rm_you> this is *so* frustrating.... I *THINK* if i can get mplayer to build with this one little change, a2dp will work soooo much better
Dec 30 16:23:58 <|R> ever tryed running gimp over ssh -X? it's a bit annoying :P
Dec 30 16:24:08 <|tbb|> much better means, lower cpu eating?
Dec 30 16:24:53 <rm_you> possibly, but... less skipping :P
Dec 30 16:25:17 <rm_you> though i believe that it will eat less CPU as a result
Dec 30 16:26:19 <|tbb|> R, is it possible to open apps from n810 over ssh on a nix box. ive logged into my n810 over ssh -X but the applications i started always runs on the n810
Dec 30 16:30:28 <alterego> |tbb|, tried setting the DISPLAY variable?
Dec 30 16:31:18 <|tbb|> not to familar with x-forwarding
Dec 30 16:31:47 <yabbas> which repo has x-server-xomap ?
Dec 30 16:39:52 <LoCusF> canola is pretty humorous to run over setting the DISPLAY + Xephyr
Dec 30 16:40:29 <truent> ;p
Dec 30 16:42:41 <timelyx> xephyr w/o alpha support? :)
Dec 30 16:43:04 <LoCusF> guess so
Dec 30 16:52:47 <We> USB 2 Can Work With USB 1?
Dec 30 16:53:21 <|tbb|> alterego: what should i do?
Dec 30 16:53:32 <We> ?
Dec 30 16:53:34 <We> yes?
Dec 30 16:54:38 <We> ?
Dec 30 16:54:39 <We> ?
Dec 30 16:55:19 <rm_you> We: yes, USB 2.0 devices will work on a USB 1.1 host
Dec 30 16:55:25 <rm_you> but they will be slow
Dec 30 16:55:39 <rm_you> and depending on the device they may not work entirely correctly
Dec 30 16:55:43 <We> thank u :D
Dec 30 16:56:05 <rm_you> for most stuff it is fine :)
Dec 30 16:56:19 <We> friend
Dec 30 16:56:25 <We> 1 more question
Dec 30 16:56:34 <rm_you> ?
Dec 30 16:57:17 <We> well where are u from?
Dec 30 16:57:36 <rm_you> WA, USA
Dec 30 16:58:08 <We> Well The N800/N810 Are Not Phone And I Can't Do Phone Calls Yes? Or Possible ?
Dec 30 16:58:21 <rm_you> no, they are not like cell phones
Dec 30 16:58:26 <We> How About SimCard? Well Can I Insert A SimCard And Only Do Internet/3G/GPRS Wih Use It? And Has It A Place For Insert That
Dec 30 16:58:35 <rm_you> but if you are connected to a wireless network, you can use Skype to make phone calls
Dec 30 16:58:48 <rm_you> No, it does not support Simcards
Dec 30 16:59:06 <rm_you> it does internet using standard wireless, 802.11g
Dec 30 16:59:14 <rm_you> no 3g/GPRS
Dec 30 16:59:20 <We> cos i found this:
Dec 30 16:59:22 <We> http://www.my-symbian.com/other/review_n800.php
Dec 30 16:59:38 <We> the N800 is not a phone. It does not have a SIM card slot and you can't make phone calls. And it's OK for a device that is called an "Internet Tablet". What I miss, however, is possibility of inserting a SIM card for 3G/GPRS data transmission only, like in PCMCIA / ExpressCard data cards for notebooks
Dec 30 16:59:47 <We> friend is it wrong? or possible?
Dec 30 16:59:50 <kpel> it would be nice to have a usb-2-ethernet cable so that you can plug the device to a router when there is no wifi around.
Dec 30 16:59:56 <We> please read first up
Dec 30 17:00:09 <shackan> We: it's correct
Dec 30 17:00:22 <rm_you> We: i think you are misinterpretting what it says
Dec 30 17:00:24 <We> so finally can i use a simcard
Dec 30 17:00:26 <astro76> We, how many times do you need to be told it's not a phone?
Dec 30 17:00:29 <shackan> We: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
Dec 30 17:00:37 <rm_you> it is correct, in that you *can't* use a simcard
Dec 30 17:00:44 <rm_you> you are reading it wrong
Dec 30 17:00:47 <truent> the reviewer is polish, what do you expect?? ;p
Dec 30 17:00:47 <shackan> heh
Dec 30 17:00:50 <astro76> We, as we said last night, he "misses" it means it doesn't have it
Dec 30 17:01:00 <We> And Has It A Place For Insert That no?
Dec 30 17:01:01 <hugolp> We:  Im with you on that it would be nice to have a N800 with at least 3G capabilities
Dec 30 17:01:13 <shackan> We: NO
Dec 30 17:01:29 <We> and
Dec 30 17:01:35 <truent> hugolp, it does.. just get a PAN phone to couple it with ;)
Dec 30 17:01:36 <rm_you> No, it does *NOT* have a place for a simcard
Dec 30 17:01:41 <We> What About Memory Cards? Is It There 8/10 GB (Or Higher) Memory Cards For These?
Dec 30 17:01:46 <rm_you> yes
Dec 30 17:01:50 <rm_you> 8/16G cards
Dec 30 17:01:54 <rm_you> and it will hold two of them
Dec 30 17:01:59 <We> wow :D
Dec 30 17:02:01 <rm_you> total possible 32G
Dec 30 17:02:06 <hugolp> truent:  well, I dont like carrying things arround
Dec 30 17:02:11 <hugolp> I like to have all in one
Dec 30 17:02:15 <kpel> if you add a mobile phone protocol stack(gsm or 3g) the battery will drain in a few hours :)
Dec 30 17:02:22 <truent> rotatable 32.. you could have 100 16gb cards in your pocket ;P
Dec 30 17:02:26 <rm_you> yeah, i have a motorola bluetooth enabled phone that i paired with it for internet :P
Dec 30 17:02:36 <hugolp> kpel:  so how in hell does smart phones exist?
Dec 30 17:02:43 <truent> kpel, nah my phones battery dies.. not my n800's
Dec 30 17:02:47 <rm_you> truent: lol, i love how people say "infinate storage" when something has a memory card slot :P
Dec 30 17:02:48 <kpel> hugolp: smaller display?
Dec 30 17:02:54 <shack> hugolp: me too, and when I have to chose what to carry, the tablet has to stay home because the phone has its spot already
Dec 30 17:02:57 <truent> ahh you mean if it was capable
Dec 30 17:02:59 <hugolp> kpel:  ever heard about the iphone?
Dec 30 17:03:08 <truent> rm_you, :P
Dec 30 17:03:20 <We> yes i got ur means guys
Dec 30 17:03:29 <kpel> hugolp: yes, have you compared its size with, say, n95? bigger battery in the iphone
Dec 30 17:03:30 <rm_you> shack, hugolp: I bought cargo pants for that issue :P
Dec 30 17:03:32 <truent> we, good man
Dec 30 17:03:48 <hugolp> rm_you:  hahaha
Dec 30 17:03:55 <We> guys
Dec 30 17:04:06 <shack> rm_you: but you don't wear cargo pants everyday, do you?
Dec 30 17:04:12 <hugolp> kpel:  I dont like N95
Dec 30 17:04:14 <We> n800 and n810 can works without internet connection
Dec 30 17:04:16 <truent> you mean you dont?
Dec 30 17:04:25 <hugolp> I want a n800 like with phone capabilities
Dec 30 17:04:27 <shack> We: yes
Dec 30 17:04:33 <kpel> hugolp: sure but the topic was not whether you like n95 or not :)
Dec 30 17:04:37 <rm_you> top left pocket: n800, bottom left pocket: phone, cables; bottom right pocket: GPS unit, more cables; top right pocket: wallet, keys
Dec 30 17:04:39 <shack> hugolp: we all so
Dec 30 17:04:43 <rm_you> shack: yes, I do :P
Dec 30 17:04:43 <We> infact i haven't an wlan account and wanna use other things like mdia games linux.,,,,
Dec 30 17:04:52 <shack> rm_you: go go gadget gizmo!
Dec 30 17:04:58 <hugolp> kpel: then dont recomend me the N95
Dec 30 17:05:01 <fabe> hi, guys I've just setup my maemo 2.2 dev system, and my emulated nokia looks relly crippled, only hello wolrd application no hildon tools at all...
Dec 30 17:05:07 <rm_you> errr, bottom left pocket is also my bluetooth keyboard
Dec 30 17:05:13 <truent> lol
Dec 30 17:05:27 <We> (20:35:53) (We) infact i haven't an wlan account and wanna use other things like mdia games linux.,,,, so possible yes?
Dec 30 17:05:28 <kpel> hugolp: i didn't recommend anything. you mentioned smartphones, remember?
Dec 30 17:05:36 <hugolp> kpel:  had enough
Dec 30 17:05:41 <shack> We: what games?
Dec 30 17:05:42 <truent> blackjack + n800.. good to go.. internet anywhere.. gps is on order but im keepin that in the car
Dec 30 17:05:43 <rm_you> and actually, less cables... cables i guess are all in the bottom right one, just headphones in bottom left
Dec 30 17:05:45 <rm_you> anyways, it works :P
Dec 30 17:05:50 <kpel> plus the fact that the iphone is not 3g either. just gsm crap.
Dec 30 17:05:57 <hugolp> still even if the battery would last so much I would like to see a N800 with phone capabilities
Dec 30 17:06:05 <hugolp> *wouldnt
Dec 30 17:06:21 <kpel> it would be nice to have, true.
Dec 30 17:06:25 <rm_you> well, supposedly the next one after the n810 will have WIMAX
Dec 30 17:06:27 <We> infact if i don;t have internet/gprs for that then can i turn it on and use other stuffs like media apps....
Dec 30 17:06:43 <shack> oh guys, since I heard the advice from someone in this channel that it's safe to leave the n800 plugged, my battery life HALVED, thanks :P
Dec 30 17:06:49 <astro76> We, no you don't need an internet connection for games or media
Dec 30 17:06:57 <rm_you> We: yeah, i use my n800 for GPS mapping for driving, and for playing movies/mp3s! and none of that requires internet access
Dec 30 17:07:00 <truent> shack, os2008?
Dec 30 17:07:05 <shack> truent: yes
Dec 30 17:07:19 <rm_you> i leave my n800 plugged in like 90% of the time
Dec 30 17:07:19 <truent> i had probs in 'normal mode' on os2007.. os2008 seemed to fix
Dec 30 17:07:22 <rm_you> no iddues here
Dec 30 17:07:22 <shack> truent: I really hate it
Dec 30 17:07:26 <kpel> lithium batteries don't like such treatment
Dec 30 17:07:28 <rm_you> *issues
Dec 30 17:07:34 <shack> truent: battery life was great before
Dec 30 17:07:51 <truent> yeah need some cargo pants for the extra batteries
Dec 30 17:07:52 <truent> ;p
Dec 30 17:07:55 <kpel> lol
Dec 30 17:08:08 <We> dear friend rm_you so it is possible to turn it on without an internet connection and only the desktop don't show internet news and...... YES?
Dec 30 17:08:09 <kpel> a vest full of batteries
Dec 30 17:08:14 <truent> hah
Dec 30 17:08:19 <rm_you> once i get a usb charger cable for this thing, i have a USB battery pack thing that i already carry for my phone/gps
Dec 30 17:08:21 <truent> please dont fly in the US with that
Dec 30 17:08:23 <shack> truent: then some smuck here comes along and says "ion batteries like to stay charged" (before I would only charge when they were completely drained) and now batteries are fucked after just a couple of hours
Dec 30 17:08:29 <rm_you> We: yes
Dec 30 17:08:32 <We> :D
Dec 30 17:08:38 <truent> hmm
Dec 30 17:08:43 <rm_you> shack: erm....
Dec 30 17:08:52 <We> and friend 1 interesting thing
Dec 30 17:09:00 <shack> rm_you: mm?
Dec 30 17:09:08 <We> n800/n810 can shows SRT subtitle for the movies?
Dec 30 17:09:09 <rm_you> shack: again... i've left my n800 plugged in for 90% of the time i use it, and 100% of the time i don't, and i still get 8days idle, 6/7 hours use
Dec 30 17:09:10 <truent> yeah only thing i havent liked was the battery life issues.. but os2008 seemed to fix for me.. so i dunno.. i got into the habit of going into 'offline mode' when not in use.. that helped alot
Dec 30 17:09:33 <rm_you> and i've had it for 4 months
Dec 30 17:09:40 <rm_you> no battery issues *at all*
Dec 30 17:10:05 <shack> rm_you: that's what the panel says (since it seems you always leave it plugged..) and did you actually use it that long unwired?
Dec 30 17:10:07 <truls> We: probably with mplayer
Dec 30 17:10:12 <rm_you> shack: yes
Dec 30 17:10:13 <shack> s/and/or
Dec 30 17:10:16 <We> infact i create a folder and put my movie and the subtitle into that and then can watch my avi file with my srt subtitle file?
Dec 30 17:10:27 <shack> rm_you: so you had it running that long on batteries?
Dec 30 17:10:36 <rm_you> shack: last week i was away for two days and i used it for probably 5 hours during that, and it still had some power when i got back home
Dec 30 17:10:41 <We> FOR N800 And N810
Dec 30 17:10:53 <rm_you> and it was on / locked the rest of the time, never turned it off
Dec 30 17:10:58 <fabe> hm I got only "home_ap_home_view" as the main application, maybee something with the locale...
Dec 30 17:11:21 <rm_you> frankly, i've been amazed with the battery life >_>
Dec 30 17:11:49 <rm_you> one thing to look out for is the online/offline mode
Dec 30 17:12:03 <rm_you> i leave mine in *online* mode almost all the time too
Dec 30 17:12:04 <rm_you> BUT
Dec 30 17:12:20 <shack> rm_you: well, before I could catch the train in the morning, watch a movie during commute, listen to mp3 on the way back, surf for half an hour or so in between, for two/three days straight, now if I use it in bed for two and a half hours (wireless set at minimum power) the battery status becomes RED
Dec 30 17:12:34 <rm_you> if you have any ad-hoc networks saved in your connection list, or any bluetooth devices that constantly talk to it, the battery will drain quickly
Dec 30 17:12:43 <We> The n810 takes up to 8GB of memory, while the n800 takes up to 32GB !
Dec 30 17:12:52 <We> n800 has more memory?
Dec 30 17:12:57 <rm_you> yes
Dec 30 17:13:01 <shack> rm_you: mmm, yes I use adhoc at home, how does it change batttery life?
Dec 30 17:13:01 <rm_you> i think the n810 is kinda dumb
Dec 30 17:13:11 <rm_you> it tries to connect to it ALL THE TIME
Dec 30 17:13:20 <rm_you> it just eats battery
Dec 30 17:13:26 <shack> rm_you: I'm connected to it and stop
Dec 30 17:13:27 <rm_you> it will be "connected" even when it isn't
Dec 30 17:13:32 <shack> it is
Dec 30 17:13:32 <eber_> rm: you can disable it in preferences
Dec 30 17:13:32 <We> so finally n800 is better or n810 cos i want to buy 1 of them
Dec 30 17:13:45 <astro76> better is subjective
Dec 30 17:13:46 <rm_you> even on the train if you look, it will be connected to your ad-hoc
Dec 30 17:13:49 <shack> rm_you: so, it won't try to reconnect all the time, it already it
Dec 30 17:14:04 <shack> rm_you: no, I use offline mode always
Dec 30 17:14:07 <rm_you> hrm
Dec 30 17:14:13 <shack> (when I'm around, that is)
Dec 30 17:14:14 <astro76> We, n800 is much cheaper and preferable in a few ways, like the dual SD slots versus on miniSD slot
Dec 30 17:14:20 <astro76> *one
Dec 30 17:14:26 <rm_you> well, that was the only issue i had, and once i discovered that, battery life went back to normal for me
Dec 30 17:14:32 <shack> mmmm
Dec 30 17:14:58 <rm_you> so you put it in offline mode, and the battery goes from full to zero in how long?
Dec 30 17:15:03 <astro76> We, which is why you heard 32GB, that's with 2 x 16GB SD cards installed
Dec 30 17:15:25 <We> yes totally that
Dec 30 17:15:38 <We> so n800 is better than n810?????????????????
Dec 30 17:15:45 <shack> rm_you: when I commute it's almost always in offline mode and it lasts days, when I'm in bed I use the local adhoc network and it lasts barely two hours
Dec 30 17:15:47 <We> confused :(
Dec 30 17:16:24 <rm_you> shack: if it's using the wireless AND you're using it to do stuff, about 2-3 hours is expected
Dec 30 17:16:25 <eber_> n810 is better ! (just because i've got one)
Dec 30 17:16:32 <rm_you> but in that case you should *plug it in* :P
Dec 30 17:16:53 <We> eber_ how is ur memory card? good and the space?
Dec 30 17:16:57 <rm_you> i can play videos for about 4-5 hours, but that's with wireless off
Dec 30 17:17:50 <shack> rm_you: when I didn't have to commute I remember I could take it with me in the kitchen and stream mp3s from my laptop for hours with half the battery (screen turned off, tough)
Dec 30 17:18:02 <rm_you> yeah
Dec 30 17:18:05 <rm_you> i can do that too
Dec 30 17:18:06 <eber_> we: ?
Dec 30 17:18:12 <We> yes?
Dec 30 17:18:19 <rm_you> i listen to internet radio when i wander around my campus
Dec 30 17:18:23 <eber_> we: i've got a 8Gb micro sd, is this your question ?
Dec 30 17:18:27 <rm_you> with the screen off and it is in my pocket
Dec 30 17:18:33 <shack> right
Dec 30 17:18:36 <rm_you> and it will do that for a long time
Dec 30 17:18:44 <rm_you> cause it isn't powering the screen :P
Dec 30 17:18:50 <We> example
Dec 30 17:18:51 <rm_you> and the CPU usage is minimal
Dec 30 17:19:04 <eber_> at the moment, with the thing plugged all the time i've got no power issue at all :)
Dec 30 17:19:08 <shack> rm_you: oh, anyway, anyone invented a way to use the button on the headphones to control the player ?
Dec 30 17:19:11 <We> what is the Operating Time for n800 multimedia?
Dec 30 17:19:32 <rm_you> We: what is your native language? just curious
Dec 30 17:19:36 <We> n800 users must know it?
Dec 30 17:19:38 <shack> rm_you: I could really use such a thing, not having to pick it out of the pocket just to skip/play/pause etc
Dec 30 17:19:45 <We> Farsi
Dec 30 17:20:01 <We> here is for n810:
Dec 30 17:20:03 <We> Operating times*
Dec 30 17:20:05 <We> Battery: Nokia Maps BP-4L
Dec 30 17:20:07 <We> Continuous usage (display on, wireless LAN active): up to 4 hours
Dec 30 17:20:09 <We> Music playback: up to 10 hours
Dec 30 17:20:11 <We> Always online time: up to 5 days
Dec 30 17:20:13 <We> Standby time: up to 14 days
Dec 30 17:20:15 <We> what about n800?
Dec 30 17:20:25 <shack> We: the same
Dec 30 17:20:26 <rm_you> hrm
Dec 30 17:20:28 <rm_you> about the same
Dec 30 17:20:43 <rm_you> except the standby time! idle time is about 8 days on the n800
Dec 30 17:20:58 <We> Music playback: up to 10 hours for n810 what about n800?
Dec 30 17:21:11 <We> and also tell me the video time
Dec 30 17:21:12 <shack> rm_you: mm, don't know, I never use the idle, I just turn it off
Dec 30 17:21:21 <rm_you> which doesn't make sense, because all the rest of the times are the same, which means the battery should be about the same size... which means that number is bogus unless they made it almost 100% more power efficient in idle
Dec 30 17:21:39 <eber_> if you turn off device, boot time is very long (1 minute at least)
Dec 30 17:21:52 <rm_you> yeah, i just leave mine on 24/7
Dec 30 17:22:04 <rm_you> it's been powered on for i believe the past 4 months that i've owned it
Dec 30 17:22:18 <rm_you> it hasn't been off for more than about 5 minutes during that time :P
Dec 30 17:22:24 <eber_> rm: if you leave it 24/7, do you put it offline when not in use ?
Dec 30 17:22:25 <shack> rm_you: wow
Dec 30 17:22:32 <rm_you> no.
Dec 30 17:22:35 <We> sorry to say more about it cos i want to buy 1 of them and still don't know what to do!
Dec 30 17:22:35 <rm_you> i just plug it in
Dec 30 17:22:52 <We> n800 or n810
Dec 30 17:23:09 <rm_you> as long as i don't have ad-hoc networks, i leave it in online mode and it lasts about the same amount of time since it isn't actually using any power for wireless
Dec 30 17:23:09 <eber_> rm: how long does it stays up without pluging it ?
Dec 30 17:23:14 <rm_you> 8 days idle
Dec 30 17:23:17 <astro76> We, do you want to spend twice the money, just to add an internal GPS and slide out keyboard, but lose dual SD card slots? only you can decide ;)
Dec 30 17:23:21 <rm_you> 6-7 hours use
Dec 30 17:23:31 <rm_you> i plug it in every night when i get home
Dec 30 17:23:31 <eber_> seems good enough
Dec 30 17:23:32 <astro76> We, if you want GPS you can add a low-cost bluetooth GPS to the n800
Dec 30 17:23:48 <rm_you> it lasts me the entire day
Dec 30 17:24:00 <eber_> rm: but if you're in range of a known wireless network, it'll suck up batteries, isn't it ?
Dec 30 17:24:02 <rm_you> if the battery starts to get low, i don't turn it off, i just stop using it and idle it till i get home
Dec 30 17:24:14 <We> well i want the best audio and video quality and specially the most operating time for use that
Dec 30 17:24:23 <shack> rm_you: you're an mplayer developer=
Dec 30 17:24:24 <shack> ?
Dec 30 17:24:25 <astro76> We, it's the same in that regards
Dec 30 17:24:30 <rm_you> if i go to somewhere that it knows, then yes i offline it unless i am browsing
Dec 30 17:24:35 <rm_you> shack: sorta?
Dec 30 17:24:40 <astro76> We, exactly, except for the card slots
Dec 30 17:24:49 <rm_you> i did some patches for mplayer for x86 a while back :P
Dec 30 17:24:58 <rm_you> and i compile it as a hobby :P
Dec 30 17:25:07 <rm_you> not so much for n800 tho, until today
Dec 30 17:25:21 <We> so the batteries time is the same?
Dec 30 17:25:22 <rm_you> but i know a bit of the codebase
Dec 30 17:25:27 <rm_you> We: basically
Dec 30 17:25:36 <skibur> I freaking love linux
Dec 30 17:25:45 <rm_you> skibur: same, <3
Dec 30 17:26:01 <rm_you> though I am on windoze now, cause of my job >_>
Dec 30 17:26:02 <skibur> I'm compiling handbrake
Dec 30 17:26:14 <skibur> there is nothing wrong with work
Dec 30 17:26:20 <skibur> ;)
Dec 30 17:26:28 <rm_you> it pays for my n800 :P
Dec 30 17:26:35 <skibur> lol right on!
Dec 30 17:26:39 <rm_you> err... well, and a lot of other things :P
Dec 30 17:26:43 <skibur> I'm on slackware
Dec 30 17:26:52 <rm_you> a job that *just* payed for my n800 would suck, rofl
Dec 30 17:26:58 <rm_you> i use ubuntu
Dec 30 17:27:24 <skibur> I needed to create a slack package in order to use 'jam' to compile 'Handbrake' for media movie compression.
Dec 30 17:27:27 <rm_you> used debian for about 4 years, gentoo for 2, and then came back to a debian based distro (ubuntu)
Dec 30 17:27:27 <shack> rm_you: what kind of job?
Dec 30 17:27:42 <rm_you> vetrinary application for tabletPCs
Dec 30 17:28:15 <rm_you> i'm a programmer >_>
Dec 30 17:28:45 <rm_you> I dunno why i did ">_>", because i love programming :P
Dec 30 17:28:54 <skibur> nice
Dec 30 17:29:04 <rm_you> prolly cause i hate programming in VB6, which is what this job makes me do >_<
Dec 30 17:29:04 <skibur> I will be graduating Fall of 2008
Dec 30 17:29:16 <rm_you> I'm Spring '09
Dec 30 17:29:25 <skibur> Computer Science with Electrical Engineering
Dec 30 17:29:29 <rm_you> heh
Dec 30 17:29:34 <rm_you> just CompSci for me
Dec 30 17:29:37 <skibur> nice
Dec 30 17:29:45 <skibur> I'm on my Senior Project
Dec 30 17:29:50 <rm_you> adding EE to that at my school == no life, no job, and PAIN
Dec 30 17:29:54 <rm_you> me too :P
Dec 30 17:29:56 <skibur> Creating a cheap butt game in Python
Dec 30 17:29:59 <shack> what school?
Dec 30 17:30:04 <shack> rm_you ^
Dec 30 17:30:07 <skibur> My group are all noobs
Dec 30 17:30:12 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 17:30:12 <rm_you> same
Dec 30 17:30:23 <rm_you> I'm a Junior that's a project leader for the SENIOR software team >_>
Dec 30 17:30:33 <skibur> nice
Dec 30 17:30:40 <rm_you> ONE of the 8 other people on the project even knows the language
Dec 30 17:30:44 <skibur> Texas A&M University-Kingsville
Dec 30 17:30:47 <rm_you> Trinity University
Dec 30 17:30:49 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 17:30:51 <rm_you> TX :P
Dec 30 17:30:54 <skibur> lol
Dec 30 17:31:01 <skibur> Texas on the rise!
Dec 30 17:31:01 <rm_you> I'm over in SA
Dec 30 17:31:14 <rm_you> Kingsville?
Dec 30 17:31:23 <skibur> Kingsville, Tx  like about 45 mins from Corpus Christy
Dec 30 17:31:24 <rm_you> what is that closest to?
Dec 30 17:31:29 <rm_you> i'm not from texas originally, so
Dec 30 17:31:40 <rm_you> i only really know where houston, austin, SA and dallas/fw
Dec 30 17:32:04 <rm_you> corpus is... southern?
Dec 30 17:32:09 <skibur> yes
Dec 30 17:32:11 <rm_you> like coastal>
Dec 30 17:32:12 <rm_you> ?
Dec 30 17:32:13 <skibur> yeah
Dec 30 17:32:17 <skibur> right there
Dec 30 17:32:23 * rm_you maps
Dec 30 17:33:00 <shack> eek, all texans here? :P
Dec 30 17:33:07 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 17:33:41 <fabe> Germany/Stuttgart :P
Dec 30 17:33:46 <rm_you> hehe
Dec 30 17:33:49 <shack> my grandma lives in houston
Dec 30 17:34:03 <rm_you> SA->kingsville is 2.5 hours
Dec 30 17:34:04 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 17:34:16 <skibur> http://www.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=Corpus+christi,+tx&daddr=Kingsville,+TX&sll=27.79631,-97.40356&sspn=0.539381,0.933838&ie=UTF8&ll=27.689608,-97.630005&spn=0.539911,0.933838&z=10&om=1
Dec 30 17:34:43 <rm_you> oh yeah? well... http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&saddr=San+Antonio,+TX&daddr=kingsville,+tx&sll=29.471883,-98.495178&sspn=0.616919,1.036835&ie=UTF8&z=8&om=1
Dec 30 17:34:50 <rm_you> i can link too :P
Dec 30 17:35:26 <skibur> :P
Dec 30 17:35:43 <rm_you> lol... me == middle of a big city. you == middle of freaking nowhere :P
Dec 30 17:35:51 <rm_you> just judging by the street density :P
Dec 30 17:36:13 <skibur> lol
Dec 30 17:36:26 <skibur> kingsville is really small
Dec 30 17:36:36 <rm_you> yeah, lol
Dec 30 17:36:59 <skibur> You can drive around the whole city in about 15 mins + - 15
Dec 30 17:37:24 <skibur> depending on your speed
Dec 30 17:37:29 <rm_you> heh
Dec 30 17:38:11 <skibur> I'm from Laredo Though
Dec 30 17:38:20 <rm_you> there are 5 HEBs within like... 2 miles of my school
Dec 30 17:38:30 <rm_you> well, i'm from the Seattle area in WA
Dec 30 17:38:46 <skibur> lol
Dec 30 17:38:53 <skibur> HEBS
Dec 30 17:39:19 <rm_you> i still think its funny how HEB has a *monopoly* in SA
Dec 30 17:39:27 <rm_you> that CAN'T be good
Dec 30 17:40:01 <rm_you> what if they raise their prices?! there isn't a different grocery store in the entire city!!!
Dec 30 17:40:07 <skibur> well if you think about it, Wal-Mart is the same
Dec 30 17:40:12 <rm_you> >_>
Dec 30 17:40:23 <rm_you> walmart doesn't really sell food
Dec 30 17:40:29 <rm_you> except at their "super" locations
Dec 30 17:40:34 <rm_you> maybe if they start trying...
Dec 30 17:41:15 <rm_you> walmart doesn't bother me, because i haven't seen the point of retail outlets for anything but food, for several years now
Dec 30 17:41:16 <skibur> In Laredo, Tx, there is 8 HEBs and 3 Super Wal-Marts
Dec 30 17:41:37 <rm_you> FOOD monopolies bother me. FOOD is necessary to live. a bicycle is not.
Dec 30 17:41:45 <skibur> agree
Dec 30 17:41:58 <rm_you> and i can't order food from amazon.com
Dec 30 17:42:02 <rm_you> i CAN order a bike :P
Dec 30 17:42:08 <rm_you> or a *tank* :P
Dec 30 17:42:25 <skibur> for the right price with a coupon
Dec 30 17:43:11 <rm_you> yay for an opportunity to link this: http://www.amazon.com/JL421-Badonkadonk-Land-Cruiser-Tank/dp/B00067F1CE/ref=sr_1_14?ie=UTF8&s=miscellaneous&qid=1199036568&sr=8-14
Dec 30 17:43:25 * skibur is guessing that rm_you is looking for a tank online
Dec 30 17:44:00 <rm_you> and it has an underbody light kit :P
Dec 30 17:44:51 * skibur is now hoping that it comes with "Drivers"
Dec 30 17:46:15 <rm_you> do you know a CompSci guy there named Adam?
Dec 30 17:46:24 <skibur> hum...
Dec 30 17:46:37 <rm_you> i think he does a lot of 3d modeling stuff
Dec 30 17:46:43 <rm_you> would be a senior or so
Dec 30 17:46:52 <skibur> I know an Adam that is an Officer of the Computer Science Association
Dec 30 17:46:54 <skibur> CSA
Dec 30 17:46:59 <rm_you> ?
Dec 30 17:47:02 <rm_you> student? >_>
Dec 30 17:47:05 <skibur> yes
Dec 30 17:47:11 <rm_you> Senior?
Dec 30 17:47:13 <rm_you> ish?
Dec 30 17:47:14 <skibur> let me link you to a picture
Dec 30 17:48:06 <skibur> http://users.tamuk.edu/ksjas29/documents/pictures.html
Dec 30 17:49:12 <rm_you> hrm
Dec 30 17:49:20 <rm_you> don't believe any of those are him :(
Dec 30 17:49:21 <rm_you> ah well
Dec 30 17:49:50 <rm_you> i actually wasn't sure which A&M he goes to, so it was kinda a longshot :P
Dec 30 17:50:28 <skibur> o ok
Dec 30 17:50:32 <rm_you> oh, i should ask this again in case new people got on / woke up / are watching irc now:
Dec 30 17:50:37 <skibur> do you know a Mario there?
Dec 30 17:50:48 <rm_you> anyone here familiar with compiling mplayer in Scratchbox?
Dec 30 17:50:54 <rm_you> skibur: compsci?
Dec 30 17:50:57 <skibur> yeah
Dec 30 17:51:02 <rm_you> year?
Dec 30 17:51:06 <skibur> not sure
Dec 30 17:51:14 <skibur> he has long hair
Dec 30 17:51:17 <skibur> and glasses
Dec 30 17:51:49 <rm_you> know his last name? or part of it?
Dec 30 17:51:57 <skibur> nope
Dec 30 17:52:13 <rm_you> sec
Dec 30 17:52:14 <skibur> he gives conferences
Dec 30 17:52:46 <skibur> and help the guys from SA for the Competition at Denton Texas
Dec 30 17:53:43 <rm_you> student?
Dec 30 17:53:49 <rm_you> there's a mario in ITS
Dec 30 17:53:52 <rm_you> not a student...
Dec 30 17:54:36 <skibur> yeah he is not
Dec 30 17:54:47 <skibur> Think he was done by 2005
Dec 30 17:55:00 <rm_you> ah
Dec 30 17:55:03 <rm_you> then possibly
Dec 30 17:55:12 <fabe> I still get "Locale not supported by C library." inside my scratchbox DSK, any idea?
Dec 30 17:55:12 <skibur> he finds bugs in programs and works with Metasploit
Dec 30 17:55:33 <rm_you> hrm
Dec 30 17:55:57 <skibur> anyways, I meet him at a Dallas Con in 2005
Dec 30 17:56:48 <rm_you> hrm
Dec 30 17:57:07 <rm_you> well, i do know a mario that works in ITS
Dec 30 17:57:17 <rm_you> but i don't like.. *know* him... more know *of*
Dec 30 17:57:20 <rm_you> :(
Dec 30 17:58:24 <skibur> http://www.utsa.edu/today/2006/04/cyberdefense.cfm
Dec 30 17:58:28 <skibur> know anybody here?
Dec 30 17:59:21 <rm_you> no
Dec 30 17:59:34 <rm_you> but i think those people are from University of North Carolina - Charlotte :P
Dec 30 18:00:18 <skibur> yeah
Dec 30 18:19:42 <konttori> ukmp is in chinook extras now
Dec 30 18:20:19 <shack> does extras work again?
Dec 30 18:20:29 <konttori> the 1.71 version that is. Along with the playbin patch
Dec 30 18:20:44 <konttori> repostory.maemo.org at least works
Dec 30 18:20:53 <konttori> I haven't tested repository.maemo.org
Dec 30 18:21:36 <konttori> 1.71 also has a completely irrelevant new eye-candy effect.
Dec 30 18:21:53 <konttori> a bouncing ball ;) (just a test that I didn't just feel removing)
Dec 30 18:22:57 <rm_you> rofl
Dec 30 18:22:58 <rm_you> nice
Dec 30 18:23:13 <rm_you> i'll install that now
Dec 30 18:26:04 <rm_you> this is getting *REALLY* aggrivating
Dec 30 18:26:11 <rm_you> my ssh sessions keep dieing randomly
Dec 30 18:26:34 <rm_you> just right in the middle of me doing stuff... whether it's typing a file in vim, or playing a movie in mplayer, or just idling >_> they just DIE
Dec 30 18:27:31 <Zic> hi, when will be fixed repository.maemo.org ?
Dec 30 18:27:36 <rm_you> no idea
Dec 30 18:27:43 <rm_you> switch it to "repostory.maemo.org"
Dec 30 18:27:46 <Zic> I try to switch to repostory.maemo.org, or stage.maemo.org
Dec 30 18:27:57 <rm_you> that doesn't work?
Dec 30 18:27:58 <Zic> but it says that .deb is "corrupt"
Dec 30 18:28:08 <Zic> (too)
Dec 30 18:28:12 <rm_you> hrm
Dec 30 18:28:16 <rm_you> you must be missing something
Dec 30 18:28:20 <rm_you> because it works for me
Dec 30 18:28:28 <rm_you> are you using apt in xterm?
Dec 30 18:28:34 <rm_you> or the application-manager gui?
Dec 30 18:28:53 <Zic> in logs of osso-installer, I have an error about GPG-key of maemo-hackers.org repository, that's all ...
Dec 30 18:29:12 <Zic> I use the GUI :)
Dec 30 18:29:14 <rm_you> hrm
Dec 30 18:29:42 <rm_you> i can't really help then, as i can't really tell what's going on :(
Dec 30 18:29:55 <Zic> oh, and I'm on OS2007
Dec 30 18:30:00 <rm_you> AH
Dec 30 18:30:01 <rm_you> no idea
Dec 30 18:30:03 <Zic> :]
Dec 30 18:30:05 <rm_you> 2008 here
Dec 30 18:30:18 <Zic> hmm, flash time tonight so ... ;)
Dec 30 18:30:49 <rm_you> well, i flashed a few hours ago
Dec 30 18:30:56 <rm_you> and the "repostory" fix worked for me
Dec 30 18:31:25 <Zic> your flashed with GNU/Linux operating system or ... ?
Dec 30 18:31:30 <Zic> you*
Dec 30 18:31:36 <rm_you> konttori: weird
Dec 30 18:32:03 <rm_you> konttori: the video thumbnails are offset downward somewhat while it is indexing them >_>
Dec 30 18:32:08 <Zic> because the only wiki about flashing with GNU/Linux in french is for the Nokia 770
Dec 30 18:32:12 <Zic> not for the N800
Dec 30 18:32:24 <Zic> and it's for OS2007 upgrade ...
Dec 30 18:32:28 <rm_you> are you using windows?
Dec 30 18:32:35 <rm_you> the wiki is REALLY old
Dec 30 18:32:39 <rm_you> i didnt find it useful
Dec 30 18:32:47 <Zic> their is a page about OS2007 to OS2008 in english ?
Dec 30 18:32:56 <Zic> oh, i'm running GNU/Linux, of course :]
Dec 30 18:32:59 <rm_you> heh
Dec 30 18:33:11 <rm_you> ok then, well... i don't think its especially different
Dec 30 18:33:15 <rm_you> just use a different bin file
Dec 30 18:33:24 <rm_you> konttori: errr....
Dec 30 18:33:27 <rm_you> konttori: it froze.
Dec 30 18:33:47 <rm_you> wait, nm... weird...
Dec 30 18:33:52 <rm_you> i hope it doesn't do this every startup
Dec 30 18:35:14 <rm_you> konttori: errrrr, what is the ball *supposed* to be doing
Dec 30 18:35:24 <rm_you> cause it's acting REALLY weird on mine
Dec 30 18:35:30 <shack> bounce maybe? :D
Dec 30 18:37:26 <Zic> rm_you: I don't remember exactly when I must push the button for the flashing, during the bootime
Dec 30 18:38:44 <rm_you> turn off, then hold the home button and then press power
Dec 30 18:39:35 <skibur> any app for converting mp3 to aac on the nokia?
Dec 30 18:39:42 <skibur> deb?
Dec 30 18:40:03 <rm_you> errr
Dec 30 18:40:08 <rm_you> mp3 -> aac?!
Dec 30 18:40:10 <rm_you> why? lol
Dec 30 18:40:23 <rm_you> ON the n800? that would be.... slooooow
Dec 30 18:40:30 <skibur> o ok
Dec 30 18:41:07 <rm_you> it's like a 350mhz little machine :P lol
Dec 30 18:41:09 <rm_you> poor thing
Dec 30 18:41:12 <skibur> well, My Nintendo Wii had received an update that removed mp3 playback and now uses aac by default
Dec 30 18:41:17 <rm_you> >_>
Dec 30 18:41:25 <rm_you> wtf
Dec 30 18:41:27 <rm_you> that's.... dumb
Dec 30 18:41:35 <skibur> I know I can use Itune for the conversion, but it there a good command line converter?
Dec 30 18:41:40 <skibur> yeah
Dec 30 18:41:50 <skibur> freaking dumb as hell
Dec 30 18:41:52 <rm_you> oh... i use "jinzora" as a media streaming system for my wii
Dec 30 18:41:54 <Zic> rm_you: thanks
Dec 30 18:42:01 <rm_you> it uses a flash mp3 player
Dec 30 18:42:05 <shack> maybe (maybe) ffmpeg does write aac too?
Dec 30 18:42:13 <rm_you> set it up on a server somewhere with your music
Dec 30 18:42:18 <rm_you> it's "awesome" :P
Dec 30 18:42:19 <skibur> o ok
Dec 30 18:42:25 <skibur> will check
Dec 30 18:42:52 <rm_you> http://en.jinzora.com/
Dec 30 18:42:55 <rm_you> looks to be down tho? >_>
Dec 30 18:42:59 <skibur> I was a part of WiiLi.org cracking the SD card, but now I'm not for many issues
Dec 30 18:43:00 <rm_you> weird
Dec 30 18:43:30 <rm_you> :P
Dec 30 19:06:46 <rm_you> konttori: tell me when you're back
Dec 30 19:06:53 <rm_you> i have questions/comments :P
Dec 30 19:07:13 <dospod> sup
Dec 30 19:07:27 <Zic> euh, question, the N810 can read/write any microSD class ? For example, a microSDHC class 6 works ?
Dec 30 19:07:33 <Zic> a question of a friend ;)
Dec 30 19:08:49 <skibur> http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wiimote_Whiteboard
Dec 30 19:08:57 <skibur> this guys is ....
Dec 30 19:09:01 <skibur> just watch it
Dec 30 19:11:39 <astro76> Zic, yes
Dec 30 19:12:08 <Zic> astro76: thanks
Dec 30 19:20:49 <rm_you> skibur: i may have to do that
Dec 30 19:20:56 <rm_you> once i get my projector set up
Dec 30 19:21:06 <skibur> http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wii_vr
Dec 30 19:21:09 <rm_you> wouldn't be too difficult of an addition
Dec 30 19:21:15 <skibur> lee is going to change the world
Dec 30 19:25:52 <rm_you> dear jesus
Dec 30 19:26:19 <rm_you> I applied to Carnegie Melon... >_> they didn't let me in :/
Dec 30 19:26:48 <shack> mm, are they very strict on admissions or what ?
Dec 30 19:27:02 <rm_you> fairly >_>
Dec 30 19:27:14 <rm_you> my GPA was only a 3.2
Dec 30 19:27:21 <astro76> it's like the MIT of computer science and robotics
Dec 30 19:27:33 <rm_you> yeah
Dec 30 19:28:01 <shack> mmm, isn't... MIT the MIT of cs and robotics ?
Dec 30 19:28:09 <rm_you> MIT is more like...
Dec 30 19:28:12 <oil> that wiimote thing is really cool
Dec 30 19:28:12 <rm_you> engineering
Dec 30 19:28:17 <shack> mkay
Dec 30 19:28:29 <rm_you> yeah, i bought a wiimote and bluetooth dongle to do stuff like that :P
Dec 30 19:28:32 <rm_you> and experiment
Dec 30 19:28:37 <rm_you> never got to really try much with it tho
Dec 30 19:28:41 <shack> anyway, I tought the gpa in the us went up to 4.0, 3.2 doesn't look *bad*
Dec 30 19:28:51 <rm_you> yeh, it does
Dec 30 19:29:08 <rm_you> 3.2 is B to B+ range
Dec 30 19:29:09 <shack> I wanted to buy a wiimote, but the stores had them at 30€
Dec 30 19:29:25 <rm_you> CM wants like... AAAAAAAAA
Dec 30 19:29:41 <shack> uh, wtf
Dec 30 19:29:46 <rm_you> and my SAT score wasn't *perfect* sooooo
Dec 30 19:30:05 <shack> and MIT then? AAAA++ ?
Dec 30 19:30:11 <rm_you> MIT is about the same
Dec 30 19:30:24 <rm_you> but MIT isn't really Computer Science
Dec 30 19:30:27 <shack> I see
Dec 30 19:30:28 <rm_you> it's engineering
Dec 30 19:30:57 <rm_you> CM is kinda ridiculous
Dec 30 19:31:18 <shack> ridiculous? why you'd want to go there then?
Dec 30 19:31:19 <shack> ...
Dec 30 19:31:59 <rm_you> because it's awesome
Dec 30 19:32:07 <rm_you> because they do crap like THAT
Dec 30 19:32:13 <rm_you> and self driving cars
Dec 30 19:32:32 <rm_you> have you seen the DARPA challenge videos?
Dec 30 19:32:33 <shack> ah, yeah the grand challenge
Dec 30 19:32:38 <shack> I have
Dec 30 19:32:38 <rm_you> yeah
Dec 30 19:32:45 <shack> there was a german school too
Dec 30 19:32:58 <shack> and the MIT team completely failed it :D
Dec 30 19:33:10 <rm_you> :P
Dec 30 19:33:14 <rm_you> yeah, see?
Dec 30 19:33:19 <rm_you> MIT vs CM... CM pwnz
Dec 30 19:33:34 <shack> as they packed their cars with sooo much equipment the computers shut down for excessive heat
Dec 30 19:33:47 <shack> (I mean, like, a couple of dual core xeons etc)
Dec 30 19:33:47 <rm_you> i still liked the winner guy tho
Dec 30 19:34:00 <rm_you> from Stanford?
Dec 30 19:34:02 <shack> and regardless all that computing power, they did it all in C
Dec 30 19:34:12 <rm_you> that was like... fsck hardware, we're software people ;P
Dec 30 19:34:16 <shack> stanley? wasn't that last year?
Dec 30 19:34:20 <skibur> The Wii has been Cracked!
Dec 30 19:34:20 <shack> Don't remember
Dec 30 19:34:27 <shack> skibur: mh?
Dec 30 19:34:39 <shack> skibur: whaddya mean?
Dec 30 19:34:40 <skibur> yeah
Dec 30 19:34:59 <hahlo> shouldn't they use assembler then?
Dec 30 19:34:59 <shack> it can run homebrew software now or what?
Dec 30 19:35:04 <skibur> Homebrew can now be used on the Wii with Wii hardware
Dec 30 19:35:08 <skibur> yes
Dec 30 19:35:14 <skibur> check this out
Dec 30 19:35:33 <skibur> http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wii_homebrew
Dec 30 19:35:37 <dospod> is it easy to port apps from it2007 to it2008
Dec 30 19:35:51 <skibur> hum... I will see what I can do with the Wii and the Nokia Internet Tablet
Dec 30 19:36:38 <astro76> wiimote would be a great controller for fceu
Dec 30 19:36:51 <skibur> that can be done
Dec 30 19:37:08 <skibur> there are drivers for it written on C
Dec 30 19:37:14 <skibur> but I need a mapping app
Dec 30 19:37:20 <skibur> like Glovepie
Dec 30 19:37:32 <skibur> which might be open source
Dec 30 19:37:36 <skibur> we need a port for it
Dec 30 19:39:18 <konttori> rm_you: true about the video thumbs. I'll fix that.
Dec 30 19:41:19 <konttori> rm_you: ball is there just to act as visualzation check for the reflection
Dec 30 19:41:58 <konttori> I'll remove it from the next version, just didn't bother to do it yet.
Dec 30 19:48:14 <konttori> it would be great if someone made the wii controller work for emu games.
Dec 30 19:48:38 <konttori> otoh: even after that, we'd actually need a good emulator.
Dec 30 19:50:15 <konttori> dospod: yeah, it's easy
Dec 30 19:50:20 <konttori> the changes aren't that big
Dec 30 19:50:52 <dospod> seriously even for a non coder
Dec 30 19:52:04 <konttori> simple apps should be easy to report
Dec 30 19:52:47 <dospod> hmm
Dec 30 19:53:39 <Cptnodegard> can you film with the n800/n810 camera?
Dec 30 19:53:45 <sikor_sxe> hello, how come there is no mplayer in my maemo extra repo?
Dec 30 19:54:00 <sikor_sxe> did they remove the package?
Dec 30 19:54:28 <ReverseGTR> sikor: I don't recall there ever being a mplayer for RISC distros
Dec 30 19:54:45 <sikor_sxe> huh?
Dec 30 19:54:56 <sikor_sxe> i am pretty sure there is one
Dec 30 19:55:02 <ReverseGTR> sikor: I mean one ever compiled for the platform, maybe someone did
Dec 30 19:55:02 <sikor_sxe> for OS2008
Dec 30 19:57:11 <ReverseGTR> sikor: to be honest I just logged on to ask some questions about N810 too. It would be cool if someone did contribute Mplayer to maemo repo. But if you can't find it there try searching on forums, I am sure somebody re-compiled Mplayer for some RISC based distro and has posted instructions somewhere
Dec 30 19:58:11 <rm_you> konttori: still there?
Dec 30 19:58:35 <rm_you> konttori: my question about the ball was "what SPECIFICALLY is it supposed to be doing, behavior-wise"?
Dec 30 19:58:51 <rm_you> is it supposed to bounce to one side?
Dec 30 19:58:58 <EY> mplayer has a reputation for being off the beaten track always.
Dec 30 19:59:04 <rm_you> what rules does it follow?
Dec 30 19:59:24 <ReverseGTR> sikor: I found one for older versions of the OS which may still work without bugs: http://mplayer.garage.maemo.org/
Dec 30 19:59:35 <rm_you> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046
Dec 30 19:59:48 <rm_you> MPlayer has been around on maemo for a LOOONG time
Dec 30 20:00:01 <rm_you> for some reason they aren't updating their garage page >_>
Dec 30 20:00:22 <rm_you> take a look at that thread, it has the install files for the new versions
Dec 30 20:01:00 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: thankyou so much, I am thinking about getting an N810 but wondering how well the Palm Garnet 5.4 VMware runs on it and if it is compatible with most 3rd party apps
Dec 30 20:01:38 <dospod> palm is outdated
Dec 30 20:01:41 <dospod> palm is outdated
Dec 30 20:01:51 <konttori> rm_you: again here
Dec 30 20:02:05 <rm_you> konttori: so, what is the ball supposed to do
Dec 30 20:02:09 <konttori> it's supposed to go away
Dec 30 20:02:10 <rm_you> like, not its purpose
Dec 30 20:02:15 <rm_you> the physics
Dec 30 20:03:06 <rm_you> on your n800, what does the ball do
Dec 30 20:03:44 <ReverseGTR> dospod: but Palm still has a ton of sweet apps and Docs to Go is still the smoothest word proc for any PDA to date.
Dec 30 20:04:27 <konttori> it's supposed to accelerate to down and left. It has a bounce level at 100px from the bottom
Dec 30 20:04:36 <rm_you> hrm
Dec 30 20:04:44 <rm_you> lol ok
Dec 30 20:04:48 <rm_you> i actually like it :P
Dec 30 20:04:49 <konttori> that's the physics.
Dec 30 20:04:50 <rm_you> make it an option
Dec 30 20:04:54 <konttori> ;)
Dec 30 20:05:00 <rm_you> instead of disabling it
Dec 30 20:05:09 <rm_you> but fix it so it always goes off the screen
Dec 30 20:05:16 <rm_you> instead of stopping halfway off sometimes
Dec 30 20:05:21 <rm_you> :P
Dec 30 20:05:29 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: btw, has the N810 3D accelerator being taken advantage of with any apps?
Dec 30 20:05:30 <dospod> palm is ok ,my dad has one and i wouldnt mind having it, it just feels and looks outdates,and i hear its not a multi threaded os
Dec 30 20:05:49 <shack> ReverseGTR: not until someone gets the drivers
Dec 30 20:05:57 <rm_you> wahg?
Dec 30 20:06:06 <rm_you> the n810 has an accelerometer?
Dec 30 20:06:11 <shack> rm_you: no
Dec 30 20:06:11 <rm_you> i was unaware of that :P
Dec 30 20:06:14 <shack> NOO
Dec 30 20:06:17 <rm_you> OH
Dec 30 20:06:19 <rm_you> like
Dec 30 20:06:22 <rm_you> 3d graphics chip
Dec 30 20:06:24 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 20:06:36 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: I meant any 3D OS2k8 compatible apps?
Dec 30 20:06:38 <shack> why do people always cream themselves whenever they hear accelerometer anyway?
Dec 30 20:06:46 <rm_you> what chipset is it?
Dec 30 20:06:47 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 20:06:52 <rm_you> cause accelerometers ROCK
Dec 30 20:06:56 <shack> heh
Dec 30 20:06:59 <rm_you> have you ever played with something that had one?
Dec 30 20:07:03 <rm_you> omfg
Dec 30 20:07:04 <shack> anyway, it's a PowerVR
Dec 30 20:07:10 <shack> the N800 has it too
Dec 30 20:07:17 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: I thought the N810's OMAP CPU has a built in GPU that can handle up to 3mil pixels
Dec 30 20:07:21 <rm_you> i almost did a senior thesis project based on something with an accelerometer
Dec 30 20:07:32 <konttori> rm_you: will do (the fix)
Dec 30 20:07:38 <rm_you> konttori: :P
Dec 30 20:07:47 <shack> rm_you: it does (not sure about the pixel count tho)
Dec 30 20:07:52 <rm_you> konttori: also, what ever happened to UKMP (not)Dark, anyway? :P
Dec 30 20:08:20 <jeff1f> http://youtube.com/watch?v=AWc-j4Xs5_w  This is a cool use of accelerometers
Dec 30 20:08:36 <rm_you> accelerometers basically own you in the face
Dec 30 20:09:28 <kpel> they are nice for toying around but you wouldn't like to shake your phone wildly in order to find that friend of your in the contacts list. while you are on the train.
Dec 30 20:09:45 <shack> I read somewhere the accelerometers in the wii were designed by an italian
Dec 30 20:10:40 <jeff1f> are the italians accelerometer experts?
Dec 30 20:11:14 <truls> at least one is
Dec 30 20:11:22 <truls> i'd hope
Dec 30 20:11:24 <ReverseGTR> kpel: well it can work hand in hand with a 3D touch based GUI like this one. For example can't find a file that is at the bottom of a huge stack of folders shake it out :)
Dec 30 20:11:25 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 20:12:21 <rm_you> i was playing with a thing someone at IBM (i think) wrote that let you tap the lid of a macbook in a certain way (like tapping a beat to your favorite song) as a password to unlock it
Dec 30 20:12:38 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: but day dreaming aside do any 3D Playstion emus work with the N800?
Dec 30 20:13:15 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 20:13:27 <rm_you> 3d playstation emus barely work right with a PC >_>
Dec 30 20:13:47 <dospod> lol
Dec 30 20:15:10 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: I am not expecting to play FPSs, I don't think a game like FF7 or Harvest Moon won't be effected too much by lag
Dec 30 20:16:00 <wumpus> please don't use n800 and 3d in one sentence :)
Dec 30 20:16:40 <rm_you> ReverseGTR: no. like, seriously... those games still don't play completely sanely on 2.4ghz PCs
Dec 30 20:16:49 <dospod> lol mame barely plays
Dec 30 20:16:55 <rm_you> the emulation is just really inefficient
Dec 30 20:17:12 <rm_you> an n800 doesn't have a chance in hell of emulating that stuff
Dec 30 20:17:20 <truls> ReverseGTR: ff7 sucks with lag
Dec 30 20:17:29 <rm_you> it might run a SNES emu, but barely
Dec 30 20:17:33 <dospod> mine wont even open pole position in mame i only got 1941 workin
Dec 30 20:17:36 <ReverseGTR> rpm_you: than how come they have no problems playing on a 1Ghz G4 Powerbook on top of bubbily GUI like OSX?
Dec 30 20:17:50 <truls> OSX is built on opengl
Dec 30 20:17:53 <rm_you> ReverseGTR: i'd pay money to see that
Dec 30 20:18:04 <truls> well, maybe not related in this case, but...
Dec 30 20:18:21 <rm_you> i've tried adripsx and epsxe and neither of them play any of my PS1 games without lagging or glitching
Dec 30 20:18:32 <rm_you> and i'm on a dual core 2.2ghz machine >_>
Dec 30 20:18:47 <wumpus> maybe the g4 is more like the psx processor..
Dec 30 20:18:49 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: ok thx, has anyone tried to run Tapwave games on top of the Palm VMware?
Dec 30 20:19:47 <blast007> Palm VMware?
Dec 30 20:20:05 <ReverseGTR> I know Duke Nukem or Doom for Linux can probably run with no problems but games like Spyhunter and Carmagedon
Dec 30 20:20:47 <ReverseGTR> I mean this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzzZ1NdNduk
Dec 30 20:21:37 <blast007> VMware is a company that makes virtualization products for x86 systems, which is why I was wondering what you meant
Dec 30 20:23:05 <ReverseGTR> blast: sorry, I should have stated it as just VM or virtual machine. Anyway, I think most of my questions have been answered so ya'll can get back to chatting about something productive
Dec 30 20:24:12 <rm_you> heh, it runs Doom :P
Dec 30 20:24:14 <rm_you> >:P
Dec 30 20:24:32 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: what doesn't these days
Dec 30 20:24:53 <alterego> The iTouch ?
Dec 30 20:25:00 <rm_you> :P
Dec 30 20:25:03 <rm_you> it should
Dec 30 20:25:04 <alterego> Does the Iphone and iTouch do anything?
Dec 30 20:25:18 <rm_you> my friend got his ipon nano to play doom
Dec 30 20:25:23 <rm_you> *ipod nano
Dec 30 20:25:28 <dospod> run locked down osx mobile
Dec 30 20:25:32 <rm_you> it's ridiculous
Dec 30 20:25:49 <rm_you> like a 1.5 inch black and white screen
Dec 30 20:25:52 <rm_you> and only 5 buttons
Dec 30 20:25:54 <rm_you> but it plays
Dec 30 20:26:01 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: you can zoom in and out by pinching your fingers :)
Dec 30 20:26:16 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 20:26:21 <alterego> Yeah .. What a feature ..
Dec 30 20:27:05 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: and flick through menus with its inertia scrolling
Dec 30 20:27:42 <alterego> What good is any of that?
Dec 30 20:27:52 <alterego> I can navigate menus and zoom on most devices ..
Dec 30 20:28:02 <ReverseGTR> actually I a youtube video of someone putting every iPhone feature onto a Ipaq PocketPC including the inertial scrolling but unfortunately Apple removed the video from most websites.
Dec 30 20:28:29 <alterego> That seems unlikely.
Dec 30 20:29:06 <ReverseGTR> alter: intertial scrolling does make going through a long list with a touchscreen easier. And it can be implented on almost any mobile OS that has a GUI
Dec 30 20:29:29 <ReverseGTR> and a 2D graphics accelerator
Dec 30 20:29:51 <alterego> Says you ..
Dec 30 20:30:01 <alterego> Can't say I've ever had a need for it.
Dec 30 20:30:18 <kpel> is the web browser of os2008 opera-based?
Dec 30 20:30:41 <alterego> No
Dec 30 20:30:45 <blast007> nope, gecko based
Dec 30 20:30:45 <sibbe> firefox 3
Dec 30 20:30:47 <alterego> It's based on Gecko
Dec 30 20:31:15 <ReverseGTR> do any of the Firefox extensions work on it?
Dec 30 20:31:32 <sibbe> someone ported adblock plus atleast
Dec 30 20:31:34 <rm_you> konttori: err... is there an exit button? >_>
Dec 30 20:32:18 <sibbe> http://browser-extras.garage.maemo.org/
Dec 30 20:32:23 <ReverseGTR> and does it hog as much memory as its desktop counterpart?
Dec 30 20:32:56 * rm_you misses opera
Dec 30 20:34:46 <alterego> ReverseGTR, who cares. It renders better than any other mobile browser in existance.
Dec 30 20:34:55 <alterego> And it works well ..
Dec 30 20:35:37 <kpel> the thing is that i just copied my os2007 xchat settings to the os2008 installation and the url handler is opera. and it works somehow...
Dec 30 20:35:46 <rm_you> except opera
Dec 30 20:35:56 <rm_you> "It renders better than any other mobile browser in existance"
Dec 30 20:36:04 <alterego> That's because the web browser is called "osso-browser" .
Dec 30 20:36:26 <alterego> Opera is crap and slow. And it I've never seen it render anything better than gecko.
Dec 30 20:36:48 <rm_you> i still use opera on my desktop >_>
Dec 30 20:36:51 <kpel> the cmmand is like ''opera -remote blah'
Dec 30 20:37:00 <wumpus> firefox for the desktop is a cpu hog though
Dec 30 20:37:06 <kpel> strange
Dec 30 20:37:07 <alterego> kpel, you're mistaken then.
Dec 30 20:37:11 <rm_you> firefox likes to crash all the time and not display things right
Dec 30 20:37:15 <alterego> There wasn't a file called "opera" oin OS2007 ..
Dec 30 20:37:39 <wumpus> but I've never had problems with it not displaying things right
Dec 30 20:37:57 <EY> What we really need is WebKit.
Dec 30 20:37:58 <alterego> rm_you, I've never witnessed such problems.
Dec 30 20:38:00 <ReverseGTR> rm_you: how is flash support on OS2k8's Geko based browser. Can I play games on Newgrounds or watch a video with higher quality then Youtube?
Dec 30 20:38:03 <rm_you> it's fairly reproducable for me
Dec 30 20:38:09 <rm_you> all i have to do is go to a website
Dec 30 20:38:10 <wumpus> unless the site was designed for IE, then again, that's not standards compliant
Dec 30 20:38:13 <rm_you> and BAM, firefox crashes
Dec 30 20:38:26 <rm_you> it's done this to me through 4 OS installs
Dec 30 20:38:29 <rm_you> three linux one windows
Dec 30 20:38:37 <truls> any website? :)
Dec 30 20:38:39 <wumpus> did you file a bug (including that website it crashes on) with the ff team?
Dec 30 20:38:42 <rm_you> almost any
Dec 30 20:39:06 <rm_you> what would the bug report say? when i go to one of these hundred websites, your browser crashes? >_>
Dec 30 20:39:10 <rm_you> not especially helpful
Dec 30 20:39:11 <wumpus> it might be some plugin then, ff itself hardly ever crashes
Dec 30 20:39:22 <rm_you> entirely possible
Dec 30 20:39:27 <alterego> rm_you, for you. But you're pretty ignorant aren't you ..
Dec 30 20:39:29 <wumpus> maybe you've got an old flash plugin ,movie plugin or whatever on your system
Dec 30 20:39:30 <rm_you> but firefox is just bleh without plugins
Dec 30 20:39:46 <rm_you> alterego: you can think that if you want :)
Dec 30 20:39:57 <wumpus> yes but you canhardly blame firefox for instability of third party plugins
Dec 30 20:40:03 <EY> I think it's safe to assume that your FF installation was corrupt in some way.
Dec 30 20:40:19 <alterego> I don't see how you can possibly believe that communicating a link to the mozilla team of a site that crashes FF wouldn't be helpful.
Dec 30 20:40:24 <alterego> That's just ridiculous.
Dec 30 20:40:33 <rm_you> a list of 100 fairly common sites?
Dec 30 20:40:33 <wumpus> a clean install of firefox does not crash on any site
Dec 30 20:40:44 <rm_you> unless i have some other sort of statistics, it doesnt help at all
Dec 30 20:40:45 <alterego> rm_you, What 100? Give me a few.
Dec 30 20:40:47 <wumpus> if it does, file a bug for that site
Dec 30 20:40:54 <wumpus> indeed alterego
Dec 30 20:41:08 <rm_you> lemmie open firefox
Dec 30 20:41:44 <rm_you> well, for starters, yahoo.com, msn.com, aol.com
Dec 30 20:41:54 <alterego> rm_you, your installation is broken.
Dec 30 20:41:56 <wumpus> those just work
Dec 30 20:41:59 <rm_you> probably, yes
Dec 30 20:42:06 <alterego> Well, that's your fault then.
Dec 30 20:42:08 <alterego> No one elses.
Dec 30 20:42:11 <wumpus> I've been visiting some of those daily for a long time
Dec 30 20:42:19 <rm_you> it's done that to me every time i install firefox
Dec 30 20:42:24 <rm_you> which is why i've given up on it
Dec 30 20:42:33 <rm_you> i'm sure it works fine for a lot of people
Dec 30 20:42:42 <rm_you> or else it wouldnt be popular >_>
Dec 30 20:42:46 <alterego> Well, you're obviously not equipped, mentally, for using a computer then :P
Dec 30 20:42:53 <rm_you> this is why i said a bug report wouldn't be helpful without other statistics :P
Dec 30 20:43:02 <alterego> Meh
Dec 30 20:43:10 <wumpus> it probably just hates you
Dec 30 20:43:16 <alterego> It's probably a problem with your machine.
Dec 30 20:43:19 <blast007> firefox hates trolls
Dec 30 20:43:25 <alterego> Your hardware, not software.
Dec 30 20:43:37 <rm_you> also possible
Dec 30 20:43:38 <ReverseGTR> So is OS2k8 on the N800s buggy?
Dec 30 20:43:58 <blast007> ReverseGTR: define "buggy"
Dec 30 20:44:00 <rm_you> it uses such a huge chunk of my memory that if some of that was bad, it would have like a 90% chance of triggering something >_>
Dec 30 20:44:04 <alterego> ReverseGTR, I'm still using the Beta and I have hardly any issues.
Dec 30 20:44:08 <wumpus> anyway, a problem with one machine or person is hardly a reason to say that firefox is unstable :')
Dec 30 20:44:13 <alterego> Heh
Dec 30 20:44:18 <derf> All of the IT OS's have been buggy.
Dec 30 20:44:22 <rm_you> it still randomly disappears on my n800, but not that often
Dec 30 20:44:31 <sp3000> rm_you: have you submitted crash reports? those often tell you how it's crashing
Dec 30 20:44:38 <rm_you> like i was browsing just a few minutes ago and *bam* firefox is just gone
Dec 30 20:44:39 <alterego> Gecko != firefox ..
Dec 30 20:44:41 <sp3000> (for firefox that is)
Dec 30 20:44:54 <rm_you> err, well, micro-b or whatever it is
Dec 30 20:44:59 <wumpus> if your memory is bad some much worse things could happen than a crashed browser
Dec 30 20:45:13 <rm_you> don't really have other issues that i'm aware of
Dec 30 20:45:15 <sp3000> rm_you: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Talkback that is
Dec 30 20:45:28 <kpel> any chance we'll get tabbed browsing in os2008?
Dec 30 20:45:32 <rm_you> sp3000: don't believe so
Dec 30 20:46:08 <rm_you> does microb have any kind of crash logs / dumps?
Dec 30 20:46:22 <rm_you> i'd be curious as to why it just randomly disappears when i'm browsing
Dec 30 20:46:40 <alterego> So, now you want to look at logs ..
Dec 30 20:46:46 <rm_you> yea
Dec 30 20:46:55 <rm_you> cause i don't have an alternative i can install :/
Dec 30 20:47:16 <rm_you> in this case, it's fix it or don't have a browser
Dec 30 20:47:20 <rm_you> so i prefer to fix it
Dec 30 20:47:48 <sp3000> if you create a mmc1/core-dumps or mmc2/core-dumps things will core there, there may be a wiki page somewhere that may say if/how it's practical to get stacktraces, dunno
Dec 30 20:47:49 <alterego> Well, it seems stable enough for me.
Dec 30 20:48:28 <kpel> speaking of bugs, does anyone know why the 'exit' terminal command causes the termminal to go blank and hang?
Dec 30 20:48:30 <alterego> Obviously I don't go to these dodgy sites that cause you so much grief :P
Dec 30 20:48:46 <sp3000> rm_you: as for firefox, the kb article shows you how to get talkback IDs which you can get stacks for at http://talkback-public.mozilla.org/
Dec 30 20:48:54 <rm_you> it crashed on maemo garage about an hour ago >_>
Dec 30 20:49:09 <rm_you> microb did, that is
Dec 30 20:49:21 <rm_you> i have a feeling it's crashing on memory usage
Dec 30 20:49:27 <rm_you> like, out of memory
Dec 30 20:49:48 <rm_you> cause it seems to happen when there is stuff going on in the background
Dec 30 20:50:39 <kpel> you mean it could be the oom killer?
Dec 30 20:50:44 <rm_you> lol
Dec 30 20:50:56 <rm_you> possibly
Dec 30 20:52:23 <kpel> can someone type 'exit' in a terminal and report what happens? (os2008)
Dec 30 20:52:55 <rm_you> yep, hung / whitew
Dec 30 20:53:09 <kpel> ok thanks
Dec 30 20:53:57 <ReverseGTR> so does the OS2k8 have SMPT support for the N810?
Dec 30 20:54:32 <sp3000> kpel: yeah, it's weird, the app doesn't close, and opening a new window from its menu doesn't create a terminal in the same window so that behaviour seems rather accidental
Dec 30 20:55:15 <sp3000> also, how come close this single window is missing from the menu's close submenu
Dec 30 20:55:20 <ReverseGTR> I stated that wrong. I mean how many of the official apps are optimized for the dual core OMAP CPU?
Dec 30 20:55:40 <ReverseGTR> as in official I mean apps that come with OS2k8
Dec 30 20:55:48 <kpel> sp3000, thanks
Dec 30 20:56:57 <rm_you> anyone else getting crazy lag on maemo.org?
Dec 30 20:57:15 <sp3000> not the front page
Dec 30 20:57:27 <rm_you> hrm
Dec 30 20:57:28 <rm_you> weird
Dec 30 20:58:46 <kpel> maemo.orgg looks ok to me too
Dec 30 20:59:05 <rm_you> yeah it's responding better now
Dec 30 20:59:12 <rm_you> must have been a hiccup on my side
Dec 30 20:59:22 <sp3000> oh, interesting, the terminals are indeed rather defunct until the blank window is closed, hadn't noticed that before
Dec 30 21:02:02 <sp3000> the cpu usage is a nice touch too :D
Dec 30 21:04:43 <kpel> where is that?
Dec 30 21:05:18 <ReverseGTR> sp3000: does it list CPU usage for the 2 cores seperately?
Dec 30 21:05:28 <kpel> is it included by default?
Dec 30 21:06:15 <sp3000> kpel: if you mean is busylooping when exiting a shell closes a terminal, yeah, that seems to be built in ;)
Dec 30 21:07:55 <kpel> heh
Dec 30 21:17:37 <torpor> yo .. anyone know where to get a nokia n810 in vienna, austria?  as in, walk into the shop?  please /msg me if so ..
Dec 30 21:22:02 <kpel> tried googling for nokia stores in vienna?
Dec 30 21:22:09 <kulve> ReverseGTR: the dsp core of the omap2 is used for audio decoding and playback only
Dec 30 21:22:47 <kulve> and audio encoding.
Dec 30 21:24:35 <kulve> ReverseGTR: you can see some load info by "cat /sys/devices/platform/dsp/loadinfo"
Dec 30 21:24:51 <macluvjay> hey, I think my n800 might be dead
Dec 30 21:25:11 <macluvjay> it won't fully power on, and it doesn't seem to charge
Dec 30 21:25:50 <macluvjay> power on gets to where the blue line at the bottom of the screen is all the wa accross, but no further
Dec 30 21:26:02 <torpor> okay i'm gonna get an n810 this week .. ;)
Dec 30 21:26:21 <torpor> /clear
Dec 30 21:27:09 <kulve> macluvjay: you may try disabling life guard to see if it goes any further (assuming the battery is not empty)
Dec 30 21:27:22 <macluvjay> ad plugging in the power adapter shows the battery/plug icons but that is it
Dec 30 21:27:30 <macluvjay> kulve: how would I go about that?
Dec 30 21:27:35 <torpor> unless there is a new nokia n-series on the horizon?
Dec 30 21:27:44 <ReverseGTR> kulve: even though I am slightly bummed that the N810 doesn't have 2 general purpose CPU cores it is cools to know what it is optimized for. Has anyone ever re-encoded MP3s into OGG when using it?
Dec 30 21:28:19 <kulve> macluvjay: linux flasher
Dec 30 21:28:46 <ReverseGTR> topor: if you do buy one this week appretiate that all N tablet series devices are supported with every OS update, unlike other gadgets
Dec 30 21:28:55 <torpor> great
Dec 30 21:28:59 <torpor> i want to add midishare to it ..
Dec 30 21:29:09 <torpor> i'm assuming its easy to code for?
Dec 30 21:29:09 <kulve> ReverseGTR: it's no easy to write dsp code. And it doesn't encode mp3, only voice codecs
Dec 30 21:29:20 <torpor> <-- dsp coder
Dec 30 21:31:12 <kulve> basically nobody writes dps tasks for the tablets, just normal c stuff
Dec 30 21:32:20 <ReverseGTR> kulve: does Vorbis have any voice codecs and how is its support for WMA?
Dec 30 21:32:51 <kulve> vorbis isn't a voice codec, and I don't know what you mean by wma
Dec 30 21:33:22 <ReverseGTR> kulve: Windows Media Audio
Dec 30 21:33:35 <kulve> amr, g711 and g729 seems to be supported voice codecs for the tablets with dsp stuff. I've added speex with my ogg-support.
Dec 30 21:34:43 <ReverseGTR> kulve: also when they say WMA9 has a voice codec it just means it converts one of the codecs you listed into a WMA to stream into WMP or MSN Messanger?
Dec 30 21:35:06 <kulve> nokia.com says "Supported audio formats: MP3, WMA, AAC, AMR, AWB, M4A, MP2, RA (RealAudio), WAV"
Dec 30 21:35:50 <ReverseGTR> kulve: ok, so what you are saying is the DSP core in the OMAP is meant to handle all the VOIP data
Dec 30 21:36:37 <kulve> at least in the nokia's design it's so
Dec 30 21:36:46 <kulve> for 770 it also decoded video
Dec 30 21:37:41 <ReverseGTR> kulve: but they took away that support for the 800 series? Has anyone managed to compile any other audio encoding support for it?
Dec 30 21:38:09 <ReverseGTR> like torpor said about converting MIDI and so on?
Dec 30 21:38:28 <kulve> ReverseGTR: I've compiled speex for the dsp but it was very slow. But according to the main speex developer it really shouldn't be that slow even when unoptimized
Dec 30 21:38:47 <kulve> http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2007/08/31/speex-encoder-on-n800s-dsp/
Dec 30 21:42:19 <ReverseGTR> kulve: its seems to be almost like a Coldfire or 68k CPU with the 23 and 40bit extensions
Dec 30 21:44:18 <ReverseGTR> but it seems there is not much cache to store new strings, how much memory is allocated to the  DSP?
Dec 30 21:44:38 <kulve> the biggest issue with the dsp is the audio api that's closed source and not available to the community. I.e. you can't decode something on the dsp and play it diretly but you must pass it to the ARM side and then back to the pcm task in the DSP
Dec 30 21:45:58 <kulve> ReverseGTR: sorry, I don't know too much about the dsp stuff. I think you can share memory between the two cores, but I don't know how much there's memory for the dsp core alone
Dec 30 21:46:31 <ReverseGTR> kulve: thats surprising considering TI seems to be pretty open about sharing most of its other specs on the OMAP to the Linux community: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbusplashcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&contentId=4752
Dec 30 21:46:38 <kulve> Simon "lardman" Pickering knows more about these things. He's trying to get the ogg/vorbis decoder running on the dsp
Dec 30 21:47:12 <ReverseGTR> kulve: interesting username, thx :)
Dec 30 21:47:20 <kulve> ReverseGTR: yeah, but the problem is that the audio hardware codec is used by the DSP alone and the code for that is made by nokia and closed
Dec 30 21:48:20 <joshin> What has Nokia's reaction been when asked to open source the codec?
Dec 30 21:48:34 <kulve> "no can do"
Dec 30 21:48:39 <joshin> I can't understand why they wouldn't at least consider it.  It isn't like it makes them any money.
Dec 30 21:49:10 <kulve> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2271
Dec 30 21:49:15 <kulve> that's one part of the problem
Dec 30 21:50:07 <kulve> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1592
Dec 30 21:50:11 <kulve> that's another part
Dec 30 21:50:17 <kpel> joshin, are u sure? what about the phone business? audio is important.
Dec 30 21:50:54 <ReverseGTR> kulve: I guess they are afraid that if they opened it, it would be reverse engineered so someone can release a competing OMAP based device with the same DSP features and then some.
Dec 30 21:51:43 <wumpus> nah, it can be reverse engineerded already, the dsp binary files can be found on the device
Dec 30 21:51:58 <joshin> As opposed to supporting innovation with their device to encourage greater sales...  Sigh, stupid company.
Dec 30 21:52:09 <joshin> This is why I still have a lowly 770
Dec 30 21:52:26 <torpor> there is a lot of spook voodoo around phone-based chips and API's .. the NSA (YES!) won't allow phone co. mfr's who want to sell phones in America to open their code to anyone.  period.
Dec 30 21:53:02 <deejoe> "allow"?
Dec 30 21:53:07 <deejoe> I wonder how that works.
Dec 30 21:53:08 <torpor> yup .. allow
Dec 30 21:53:15 <joshin> Yeah, I know.  I can understand that from the NSA's position.  Imagine being able to use the DSP to en/decode conversations using the DSP.
Dec 30 21:53:16 <torpor> to sell phones in american markets, you need NSA approval.
Dec 30 21:53:37 <deejoe> do you have some reference for that?
Dec 30 21:54:01 <torpor> i have only my experience working in telecomms: 25+ years ..
Dec 30 21:54:17 <deejoe> so, no.
Dec 30 21:54:24 <ReverseGTR> torpor: NSA needs to install backdoor software on phones so FBI and other law inforcement can easedrop. And it has to be closed so nobody figures out how to easily removie it
Dec 30 21:54:32 <deejoe> if I pass that along, I just get to say "some person on IRC told me"
Dec 30 21:54:37 <torpor> i am bonded from revealing public sources, but they are there if you care to look, and go through public archives of telecomms approvals in the US ..
Dec 30 21:54:54 <torpor> deejoe: you would be wise to research it yourself anyway.
Dec 30 21:56:06 <ReverseGTR> torpor: NSA is not the only AOL has public databases listing indivisual's search habbits http://www.aolsearchdatabase.com/
Dec 30 21:56:26 <kpel> ReverseGTR, no need for backdoors. networks proovide what is  known as legal interrcepttion facilities
Dec 30 21:57:52 <ReverseGTR> kpel: of course they would need that since it is an easy step for severs and need to track which site you logon to in order to plot the best route to get there me thinks
Dec 30 21:59:15 <kpel> how does eavesdropping relates to servers?
Dec 30 22:00:12 <kpel> we're talking about voice calls over the utran, right??
Dec 30 22:01:08 <ReverseGTR> kpel: I meant not servers, I mean the network and backbone providers. That sort data from different IPs each day. Don't that already have software that helps plot what hops a computer's data takes online to get to the infromation? And yes we did go way off topic
Dec 30 22:02:29 <ReverseGTR> kpel: but why would a device like the N810 need to comply with NSA protocals? I thought it only applied to any device with a cellular chip?
Dec 30 22:02:44 <deejoe> I think it's not NSA, but FCC.
Dec 30 22:03:05 <deejoe> and the requirement is that it not be user-modifiable.
Dec 30 22:03:06 <kpel> they probably can monitor a certain user's traffic but for call interception it's  not necessary
Dec 30 22:03:38 <ReverseGTR> deejoe: so if I buy an unlocked cellphone and use with AT&T thats illegal?
Dec 30 22:04:15 <ReverseGTR> I mean an unlocked cellphone like Openmoko Neo or Motorola Ming
Dec 30 22:05:32 <rwhitby> openmoko neo does not have a user modifiable gsm module
Dec 30 22:06:36 <ReverseGTR> rwhitby: really, but I guess it makes sense if they want to make it commercially viable at all. So what are the differences in the DSP in the N770 and 800 series?
Dec 30 22:07:59 <kpel> ReverseGTR,
Dec 30 22:08:03 <kpel> ReverseGTR, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/07/11/greek_mobile_wiretap_latest/
Dec 30 22:09:38 <wumpus> yes, the FCC requires any sort of wireless transmitting equipment to be closed source
Dec 30 22:09:56 <wumpus> this applied to wifi as well as gsm firmware
Dec 30 22:10:02 <wumpus> applies*
Dec 30 22:10:19 <torpor> FCC = fingered by NSA
Dec 30 22:11:27 <kpel> no surprise there
Dec 30 22:11:32 <ReverseGTR> kpel: And this is the problem. Once closed source DSP is unlocked for malware purposes it can be allot harder to find a solution. Nokia should just open up N-series DSP on the CPU and any organization that wants to easedrop should put the money where their mouth is and hire some programmers who can constantly update it.
Dec 30 22:12:20 <kulve> the dsp stuff is open except the audio api inside the dsp
Dec 30 22:12:25 <wumpus> it's not really about eavesdropping, you could encrypt the traffic at any point.. the reason is that you can jam and corrupt signals with a modified transmitter
Dec 30 22:12:32 <ReverseGTR> wumpus: if Wifi is closed Linksys was violating it by having users install 3rd party firmware
Dec 30 22:12:45 <kulve> http://dspgateway.sourceforge.net/
Dec 30 22:13:00 <wumpus> ReverseGTR: even in that 3rd party firmware the wifi drivers are closed source
Dec 30 22:13:23 <deejoe> Linksys doesn't "have" users install 3rd party software.
Dec 30 22:13:35 <deejoe> users do it, but linksys doesn't say "go and do this" do they?
Dec 30 22:13:47 <wumpus> it's really fine to install another operating system, as long as there is no open access to the transmitter equipment
Dec 30 22:14:04 <kpel> even openwrt uses closed source code?
Dec 30 22:14:12 <ReverseGTR> ok so I am comparing apples to oranges then
Dec 30 22:14:16 <wumpus> for the wifi drivers, yes
Dec 30 22:14:23 <kpel> ic
Dec 30 22:14:36 <wumpus> the only wifi devices that have open source drivers are the 'smart' ones that have internal firmware that you can't tamper with
Dec 30 22:14:46 <wumpus> the dumb ones that have no firmware need closed source drivers
Dec 30 22:14:59 <deejoe> even with stock linksys firmware, one can set the "wrong" locale, which is probably illegal.  But the user does that.
Dec 30 22:15:19 <wumpus> yes, that would be a fcc violation
Dec 30 22:15:32 <wumpus> but locale only makes a slight difference so I don't think anyone cares
Dec 30 22:15:42 <deejoe> different power levels, no?
Dec 30 22:16:05 <wumpus> slightly, and you have some more/different channels
Dec 30 22:17:14 <wumpus> but gsm is more of a concern for jamming devices than wifi
Dec 30 22:18:27 <wumpus> anyway ,none of these reasons explains why the N800 dsp firmware is closed, as it's not used for any transmitting/radio stuff
Dec 30 22:18:52 <wumpus> so the FCC doesn't care about it
Dec 30 22:18:58 <deejoe> nice save :-)
Dec 30 22:34:02 <unique311> fecking ey.  i need to install python2.5-cairo / -dev    can't seem to install the damn thing.
Dec 30 22:34:12 <unique311> error size mismatched
Dec 30 22:35:54 <unique311> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/p/pycairo/python2.5-cairo_1.4.0-1osso1_armel.deb  Size mismatch
Dec 30 22:36:20 <unique311> manually downloaded  python2.5-cairo-dev
Dec 30 22:36:37 <unique311> but cannot do the same for python2.5-cairo
Dec 30 23:15:25 <_|Nix|_> Sweeeeet: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/29/1959244
Dec 30 23:18:45 * thecrypto blinks a few times as he sees the topic.
Dec 30 23:19:03 <thecrypto> Well...I just blew away my scratchbox by mistake, are there any mirrors/
Dec 30 23:33:18 <alterego> Mirrors for what?
Dec 30 23:37:56 <thecrypto> The maemo repository since the debs are broken. Or has anyone figured out a way to force an install?
Dec 30 23:41:15 <rm_you> change the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildonwhatever.list file
Dec 30 23:41:18 <alterego> thecrypto, use stage.maemo.org
Dec 30 23:41:24 <alterego> Instead of repository.maemo.org
Dec 30 23:41:34 <rm_you> replace "repository.maemo" with stages.maemo
Dec 30 23:41:46 <rm_you> or repostory.maemo (no "i")
Dec 30 23:42:23 <thecrypto> Trying that now
Dec 31 00:18:38 <Luria> so the weirdest thing happened
Dec 31 00:18:55 <Luria> somehow a virtual "shift" key was being held down.
Dec 31 00:19:22 <Luria> and until i connected my apple bt kybd, and hit shift (not caps)
Dec 31 00:19:32 <Luria> did things go back to normal.
Dec 31 00:19:55 <Luria> now i admit that might not be the wierdest thing ever, but it was odd.
Dec 31 00:30:07 <Luria> no explanations?
Dec 31 00:30:31 <thecrypto> Okay, finally got scratchbox resetup but now in the chinook_x86 target I get this error
Dec 31 00:30:34 <thecrypto> "/scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set"
Dec 31 00:30:41 <thecrypto> How should I fix that
Dec 31 00:48:19 <thecrypto> It was working fine before, it just stopped working all of a sudden
Dec 31 00:54:17 <staulkor> hey
Dec 31 00:54:51 <staulkor> anybody know where i can find libhildonwidgets.so.0
Dec 31 00:55:05 <staulkor> Autoscan needs it to load and I cant find that supid file :P
Dec 31 01:12:26 <bdogg64> anyone want to test a working build of vlc for maemo?
Dec 31 01:20:24 <staulkor> sure, ill test for you
Dec 31 01:20:52 <dospod> hey
Dec 31 01:22:37 <bdogg64> ok, i'll send it
Dec 31 01:22:41 <staulkor> k
Dec 31 01:22:51 <dospod> how is everyone
Dec 31 01:23:03 <staulkor> doing good except for the problem im having with autoscan :P
Dec 31 01:24:03 <dospod> haha im having trouble configuring phonelink
Dec 31 01:24:15 <staulkor> i cant find a stupid lib
Dec 31 01:25:12 <dospod> i cant get gnokii to work lol
Dec 31 01:25:22 <staulkor> hehe
Dec 31 01:26:51 <dospod> oh well 1 of these days
Dec 31 01:26:56 <staulkor> :P yea
Dec 31 01:33:22 <|tbb|> rm_you: have you patched mplayer allready?
Dec 31 01:33:30 <Luria> there's no gui for that, is there?
Dec 31 01:33:39 <Luria> phonelink that is
Dec 31 01:33:54 <dospod> there is a ui
Dec 31 01:34:30 <Luria> really... then maybe it's worth the struggle
Dec 31 01:36:03 <dospod> its gnokii thats weird
Dec 31 01:36:58 <Luria> dependency hell?
Dec 31 01:37:27 <dospod> kinda adduser
Dec 31 01:37:50 <dospod> but u can install libgnokii3
Dec 31 01:38:12 <bdogg64> how can I send you the file staulkor?
Dec 31 01:41:34 <TucosSavior> stage.maemo.org down for anybody else?
Dec 31 01:57:32 <yabbas> Is there an XF86Config we can tamper with for k-drive?
Dec 31 01:58:03 <yabbas> *s/XF86config/XFOmapConfig :)
Dec 31 02:07:16 <magicrobotmonkey> i cant get videos shared over upnp to play - the built in player doesnt recognize the format and mplayer doesnt do anything when i try to open one
Dec 31 02:09:52 <GeneralAntilles> What format are the videos in?
Dec 31 02:10:27 <magicrobotmonkey> a bunch mostly xvid and divx though
Dec 31 02:11:24 <GeneralAntilles> bitrate?
Dec 31 02:11:30 <GeneralAntilles> wrapper?
Dec 31 02:12:18 <magicrobotmonkey> they're avis for the most part bitrates are all over the place ive yet to find one that works
Dec 31 02:12:38 <magicrobotmonkey> whats ideal for the default player?
Dec 31 02:13:12 <GeneralAntilles> 400x240 (or whatever aspect fits that, say 320x240 for 4:3) MPEG4 video at no more than 1200Kbps between 20-30fps
Dec 31 02:13:20 <GeneralAntilles> with MP3 audio (so the DSP can be used)
Dec 31 02:13:29 <GeneralAntilles> .avi wrapper works well
Dec 31 02:13:36 <GeneralAntilles> That's pretty much a guarantee
Dec 31 02:13:50 <GeneralAntilles> Could be an issue with your UPnP server, though.
Dec 31 02:14:01 <GeneralAntilles> Try to play some of them off an SD card.
Dec 31 02:14:10 <bdogg64> Here is my link to the VLC deb if anyone wants to try it out -- http://www.megaupload.com/?d=WYGLCSFV
Dec 31 02:14:22 <magicrobotmonkey> yea too bad it takes a minu
Dec 31 02:14:27 <GeneralAntilles> The N800 is picky about video, but will run absolutely fantastically if you tailor media for it.
Dec 31 02:14:39 <magicrobotmonkey> sweet just saw your post!
Dec 31 02:14:57 <GeneralAntilles> bdogg64, is it as optimized as mplayer? :P
Dec 31 02:15:26 <bdogg64> maybe :P
Dec 31 02:15:49 <yabbas> bdogg64, blimeh - and you've played vids back with it?  :)
Dec 31 02:15:56 <bdogg64> yep
Dec 31 02:16:09 <GeneralAntilles> Get yourself a garage account so you don't have to use mediaupload.
Dec 31 02:16:15 <bdogg64> i compiled it just about every flag on ffmpeg i could use
Dec 31 02:16:18 <GeneralAntilles> er, "mega"
Dec 31 02:16:19 <yabbas> sweet :) can't hurt to have more options available
Dec 31 02:16:25 <GeneralAntilles> No sir.
Dec 31 02:16:40 <GeneralAntilles> Should make connecting to VLC transcoding streams a little more straightforward.
Dec 31 02:16:52 <bdogg64> I just signed up on garage
Dec 31 02:16:54 <GeneralAntilles> Who wants to test the transcoding limits of the N800? :P
Dec 31 02:17:02 <GeneralAntilles> Cool, bdogg64.
Dec 31 02:17:12 <magicrobotmonkey> i dont see a link on that page
Dec 31 02:20:19 <yabbas> bdogg64, without installing it - what was the playback like with vlc?
Dec 31 02:21:24 <bdogg64> it was ok... i tried to play the Nokia_N810.avi video that comes OS2008 i supposed and it played for a few seconds and then froze. VLC displayed a message about the cpu being too slow
Dec 31 02:21:24 <yabbas> (as in ... I haven't installed it yet and am asking the obvious ... not "without installing it" )
Dec 31 02:21:49 <yabbas> And was it too slow? :)
Dec 31 02:21:49 <bdogg64> i played a couple other videos and they played fine
Dec 31 02:21:53 <bdogg64> yea
Dec 31 02:22:10 * yabbas nods
Dec 31 02:22:13 <bdogg64> i also played a video direct from a url and it worked fine too, over wi-fi that is
Dec 31 02:22:31 <yabbas> nice one, so atm it needs optimization
Dec 31 02:23:39 <yabbas> (might wanna mention that in your post btw and show some tasty video screenies)
Dec 31 02:23:55 <bdogg64> yea.. im trying to get some together now :-)
Dec 31 02:30:24 <magicrobotmonkey> whats the default passwrod to be able to sudo on the n810
Dec 31 02:31:04 <dospod> u need becomeroot to get root
Dec 31 02:31:21 <yabbas> don't think there is one . . . . but don't quote me on that ;) if you install ssh you will be asked to enter a root password
Dec 31 02:31:22 <magicrobotmonkey> k
Dec 31 02:32:49 <Luria> yeah, thats new
Dec 31 02:32:58 <Luria> rootme is the default password
Dec 31 02:33:45 <Luria> i was pleasantly surprised to see openssh ask for a new password on install
Dec 31 02:34:30 <yabbas> same here ... the simple things impress me :)
Dec 31 02:35:01 <magicrobotmonkey> i was too until it hung in the middle of the installation
Dec 31 02:36:57 * yabbas sighs, sighs, sighs, sighs, etc, etc
Dec 31 02:37:52 <magicrobotmonkey> heh
Dec 31 02:38:14 <Luria> wow. speaking of which - loook at all the notifications on the ogg-support install
Dec 31 02:39:02 <magicrobotmonkey> whats the shell this is running?
Dec 31 02:39:21 <dospod> ash
Dec 31 02:39:45 <Luria> yeah, it just failed :-/
Dec 31 02:39:47 <dospod> never heard of it till i got this
Dec 31 02:40:11 <Luria> ash?
Dec 31 02:40:34 <Luria> isnt that a shell?
Dec 31 02:40:56 <magicrobotmonkey> well i set a password in the ssh install but i still cant sudo
Dec 31 02:41:15 <dospod> yea i could have sworn i read someone askin bout it
Dec 31 02:41:45 <magicrobotmonkey> but i can certainly ssh to myself
Dec 31 02:44:47 <Luria> you have to edit sudoers
Dec 31 02:45:13 <Luria> to use sudo
Dec 31 02:46:18 <Luria> google sudo sudoers   - there are a couple of ways to do this
Dec 31 02:51:37 <magicrobotmonkey> oh right
Dec 31 02:52:08 <magicrobotmonkey> anyways anyone know if you can get sshfs for os2008
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