**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 01 02:59:57 2008
Jan 01 06:25:04 <sandyang028> :P
Jan 01 07:10:41 <kevinverma> hello, is there any nokia phone screen-protector a perfect fit for N800 ?
Jan 01 07:14:11 <doc|home> kevinverma: boxwave.com make one, but it's not cheap and they shaft you on shipping
Jan 01 07:14:16 <astro76> kevinverma, are you in the US or elsewhere?
Jan 01 07:14:39 <astro76> perhaps but boxwave one is great
Jan 01 07:15:26 <kevinverma> astro76, I am in India
Jan 01 07:15:55 <kevinverma> here, its easy to choose from popular models of phones for screen-protectors
Jan 01 07:16:00 <astro76> kevinverma, http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=00337&dept_id=&cat_id=0018
Jan 01 07:16:24 <kevinverma> I have tried PSP protectors they work well, only I have to cut them a bit from side
Jan 01 07:17:41 <kevinverma> yeah this ^^ link looks good but I need ref. for the best compatible screen device that I can pick screen-protector for, locally
Jan 01 07:18:07 <kevinverma> i guess N92 was the closest to N800 in screen-size , if i am correct
Jan 01 07:22:40 <zoran> someone uses garnet vm on gregale?
Jan 01 07:23:11 <unique311> 2008 sucks
Jan 01 07:23:17 <unique311> no flying cars still
Jan 01 07:23:20 <unique311> no robots
Jan 01 07:23:22 <unique311> wtf
Jan 01 07:23:28 <vegai> *you* don't have them
Jan 01 07:23:34 <zoran> blondes are flying
Jan 01 07:23:36 <unique311> when can i see robots roaming the fucking streets
Jan 01 07:23:46 <unique311> i wants the robots
Jan 01 07:24:44 <unique311> i think i will be like 90 (if i i make it to 90) when i see fucking flying cars
Jan 01 07:25:02 <unique311> evolution is a slow process
Jan 01 07:25:24 <zoran> unique311, no chance for flying cars
Jan 01 07:25:30 <unique311> i know
Jan 01 07:25:37 <unique311> which sucks
Jan 01 07:25:51 <zoran> gas will out for good
Jan 01 07:25:54 <unique311> i remember thinking 2000 was going to be all futuristic
Jan 01 07:26:14 <zoran> it was
Jan 01 07:26:19 <unique311> hoepfully 2010 is
Jan 01 07:26:22 <unique311> it was
Jan 01 07:26:25 <unique311> i think not
Jan 01 07:26:41 <vegai> I hope that I get my N810 in 2008. Gdamnit
Jan 01 07:26:46 <staulkor_> :P
Jan 01 07:26:47 <zoran> internet changed the way most people see the things
Jan 01 07:26:50 <vegai> didn't get it last year!
Jan 01 07:26:53 <zoran> and tv
Jan 01 07:26:54 <unique311> ok best gadget of 2000+ was the IT or umpc
Jan 01 07:27:12 <vegai> IT?
Jan 01 07:27:21 <zoran> internet tablet
Jan 01 07:27:21 <unique311> youtube was  a major breakthru...
Jan 01 07:27:26 <unique311> yeah
Jan 01 07:27:34 <vegai> then again, horrible retardations like lolcats, facebook, myspace emerged
Jan 01 07:27:37 <unique311> is the IT considered a umpc?
Jan 01 07:27:38 <zoran> eee could be better?
Jan 01 07:27:53 <unique311> lol
Jan 01 07:28:02 <unique311> i want to see flying cars
Jan 01 07:28:11 <unique311> fuck the flying cars...at least robots
Jan 01 07:28:15 <unique311> in every home
Jan 01 07:28:17 <zoran> I see attempt to make real debian on eee
Jan 01 07:28:23 <zoran> and robots are all around
Jan 01 07:28:30 <zoran> they have names and smile
Jan 01 07:28:33 <zoran> nothing inside
Jan 01 07:28:33 <unique311> not the types i want to see
Jan 01 07:28:44 <vegai> there are actually useful actual robots already. Vacuum cleaners and such
Jan 01 07:28:51 <unique311> i want to see some irobots
Jan 01 07:28:59 <unique311> that would be all futuristic
Jan 01 07:29:21 <zoran> 100 feets tall marching through 5th avenue?
Jan 01 07:29:26 <vegai> I think their plan is to wait until all of us have dust allergies. *then* they will rule us
Jan 01 07:29:30 <unique311> i'm not that old, but i'm hoping stuff like that happens before i kick the bucket
Jan 01 07:29:58 <zoran> when it comes, resources will go out
Jan 01 07:30:09 <zoran> include polution
Jan 01 07:30:19 <zoran> crime
Jan 01 07:30:24 <vegai> what I'm afraid of is that they'll invent a way to achieve immortality 2 months after I die of something stupid
Jan 01 07:30:26 <unique311> i think we will evolve to the point of
Jan 01 07:30:39 <zoran> ah, no imortality!
Jan 01 07:30:40 <unique311> being able to breath in the smog
Jan 01 07:30:46 <unique311> better lungs
Jan 01 07:30:54 <unique311> lol
Jan 01 07:30:56 <zoran> nature makes the best
Jan 01 07:31:14 <unique311> the word i was looking for was (adapt)
Jan 01 07:31:17 <zoran> make a seed of nano pc
Jan 01 07:31:27 <zoran> water it
Jan 01 07:31:35 <zoran> let it grow
Jan 01 07:31:35 <unique311> as the air gets worse..
Jan 01 07:31:42 <unique311> i think out lungs will adapt
Jan 01 07:31:53 <zoran> hm, no chance
Jan 01 07:31:57 <unique311> i hope
Jan 01 07:32:30 <zoran> human kind grows and gets weight
Jan 01 07:33:02 <zoran> lungs are not on the list
Jan 01 07:33:03 <unique311> zoran, so you think eventually we will wipe out selves out
Jan 01 07:33:26 <unique311> i think we will adapt.
Jan 01 07:33:29 <zoran> unfortunately
Jan 01 07:33:45 <unique311> not a big fan of the borg
Jan 01 07:34:01 <unique311> but i think if evolution is as real as scientist state it is.
Jan 01 07:34:03 <zoran> I have a lag from this remote box  :(
Jan 01 07:34:33 <unique311> we should adapt to global warming and everyhting else thats happening with the world
Jan 01 07:35:13 <zoran> it could take million years
Jan 01 07:35:14 <unique311> science = ist
Jan 01 07:35:21 <unique311> so they say
Jan 01 07:35:53 <zoran> I saw a tv saying this calm era is just a coincidense
Jan 01 07:35:55 <unique311> but all this tech thats happening right now is a result of what?
Jan 01 07:36:20 <zoran> second lightning
Jan 01 07:36:34 <unique311> lighting
Jan 01 07:36:37 <unique311> hmm
Jan 01 07:37:07 <zoran> split of the second in natures's calendar
Jan 01 07:37:13 <zoran> nothing
Jan 01 07:37:24 <zoran> does nature even cares about humans
Jan 01 07:37:31 <zoran> *care
Jan 01 07:37:37 <unique311> so electricity is the reason of all this technology we have right now?
Jan 01 07:37:46 <zoran> I suppose so
Jan 01 07:37:57 <zoran> and tv
Jan 01 07:38:08 <zoran> global policy?
Jan 01 07:38:16 <zoran> advertisement
Jan 01 07:38:18 <unique311> i thought it was because of the whole area 51 thing
Jan 01 07:38:24 <zoran> :)
Jan 01 07:38:27 <unique311> lol
Jan 01 07:38:35 <zoran> I like the gangre
Jan 01 07:38:50 <zoran> but do not believe, even I try
Jan 01 07:39:23 <unique311> stupid example.
Jan 01 07:39:23 <zoran> remove pc and we live worse than 50 yr ago
Jan 01 07:39:26 <unique311> sd cards
Jan 01 07:39:44 <unique311> 1gb was tops
Jan 01 07:39:47 <unique311> back in what
Jan 01 07:39:48 <zoran> humans cannot live in space, I think
Jan 01 07:39:54 <unique311> 2002
Jan 01 07:40:19 <zoran> good enough for my usage  :)
Jan 01 07:40:35 <unique311> lol
Jan 01 07:40:48 <zoran> my good friend say I don't use computer, I use linux
Jan 01 07:40:56 <unique311> 32GB by xmas next year costing the same amount as a 1GB
Jan 01 07:40:57 <zoran> he does not diff linux and bsd
Jan 01 07:41:17 <zoran> newer laptops will have 4 gb of ram
Jan 01 07:41:26 <zoran> ask why?
Jan 01 07:41:33 <unique311> i try not too.
Jan 01 07:41:41 <unique311> gives me a fucking  headache
Jan 01 07:41:44 <zoran> to sold what was not for vista
Jan 01 07:41:58 <zoran> imagine!
Jan 01 07:42:28 <zoran> u need 4 gb?
Jan 01 07:42:48 <unique311> can we call 1GB going to 32GB sd cards evolution?
Jan 01 07:43:09 <zoran> yes
Jan 01 07:43:14 <unique311> or does evolution only deal with humans going from ape to humans
Jan 01 07:43:16 <unique311> ?
Jan 01 07:43:42 <zoran> all that, of you see that way
Jan 01 07:44:05 <unique311> so by 2010 can i expect some flying cars?
Jan 01 07:44:24 <zoran> no
Jan 01 07:44:27 <unique311> fuck
Jan 01 07:44:43 <zoran> imagine all those morons making accidents in the air
Jan 01 07:44:50 <zoran> all falling down
Jan 01 07:44:58 <unique311> trial and error
Jan 01 07:45:02 <zoran> :)
Jan 01 07:45:14 <unique311> you need those accidents in order to make stuff better.
Jan 01 07:45:16 <unique311> evolve
Jan 01 07:45:41 <unique311> you don't think we just went from apes to humans in 1 day.
Jan 01 07:45:53 <zoran> maybe 5 million yrs
Jan 01 07:45:58 <zoran> maybe less
Jan 01 07:46:05 <zoran> radiation could help
Jan 01 07:46:07 <unique311> 5 million years is way too long
Jan 01 07:46:13 <zoran> not for nature
Jan 01 07:46:23 <unique311> i'm hoping tech wise evolution don't take so long
Jan 01 07:46:24 <zoran> dynos reigned more
Jan 01 07:47:03 <zoran> evolution is I saw garnet vm this days and want it in a day on my 770
Jan 01 07:47:25 <unique311> like i said, i remember being 13 and thinking the year 2000 was going to be all futuristic and all..
Jan 01 07:47:30 <unique311> somewhat it is.
Jan 01 07:47:40 <unique311> but not as much as i thought it would be.
Jan 01 07:47:43 <zoran> more food
Jan 01 07:47:49 <zoran> more tv shoes
Jan 01 07:47:53 <zoran> *shows
Jan 01 07:48:00 <zoran> less brain
Jan 01 07:48:13 <unique311> me talking to you over the internet was not part of the thought process that was going thru my mind.
Jan 01 07:48:14 <zoran> more gadgets
Jan 01 07:48:53 <zoran> c
Jan 01 07:49:27 <unique311> then again i think from 1998 to now alot of shit is futuristic.
Jan 01 07:50:30 <zoran> better package
Jan 01 07:51:21 <vegai> when did the palm pilots come out?
Jan 01 07:51:22 <unique311> i don't own a cd player
Jan 01 07:51:41 <unique311> i had a plam vx in 2002
Jan 01 07:52:07 <unique311> so im guesing 1998-99
Jan 01 07:52:37 <Zic> hi
Jan 01 07:52:40 <unique311> hello
Jan 01 07:52:49 <Zic> (happy gnu^Wnew year)
Jan 01 07:52:52 <unique311> we are talking about the future, want to join Zic
Jan 01 07:52:53 <unique311> lol
Jan 01 07:52:57 <Zic> :)
Jan 01 07:53:28 <Zic> just question for me ;) : In process list, I have "kicker" ... It's the same as KDE Kicker pannel ?!
Jan 01 07:53:41 <unique311> so whats to follow in the footsteps of mp3's
Jan 01 07:53:57 <Zic> it's strange for a gnome/gtk-based os for tablet :]
Jan 01 07:54:30 <zoran> unique311, more drm, as I see it
Jan 01 07:55:00 <zoran> and no more Jimi Hendrix or jefferson Airplane
Jan 01 07:55:04 <vegai> or then we'll be stuck with mp3 for the next 10 years
Jan 01 07:55:12 <unique311> jimi is forever zoran
Jan 01 07:55:23 <zoran> and Grateful Dead
Jan 01 07:55:30 <unique311> yes
Jan 01 07:55:37 <zoran> Lou Reed?
Jan 01 07:56:34 <unique311> lou Reed?
Jan 01 07:57:20 <zoran> velvet  undergound
Jan 01 07:57:38 <zoran> 40 yrs ago
Jan 01 07:57:51 <unique311> lately i've been listening to alot of techno(dance) tunes
Jan 01 07:57:55 <unique311> strange
Jan 01 07:58:15 <unique311> the older i get, the stranger the music i like gets.
Jan 01 07:58:41 <zoran> like Nick Cave?
Jan 01 08:00:54 <unique311> nah
Jan 01 08:01:17 <unique311> benny benassi
Jan 01 08:01:28 <unique311> basshunter
Jan 01 08:01:55 <unique311> dan balan
Jan 01 08:01:58 <zoran> the best cd in the last year was grinderman to me
Jan 01 08:02:07 <unique311> grinderman
Jan 01 08:02:35 <unique311> genre?
Jan 01 08:02:43 <zoran> hard to say
Jan 01 08:02:49 <zoran> rock
Jan 01 08:03:03 <zoran> with psychodelic frills
Jan 01 08:03:09 <zoran> like Jimi
Jan 01 08:03:25 <unique311> k
Jan 01 08:03:35 <unique311> http://www.last.fm/music/Crazy+Loop/+videos/+1-8qTFqnDpuvE check out this vid zoran
Jan 01 08:03:46 <unique311> i like his sound
Jan 01 08:03:50 <zoran> I have no real broadband
Jan 01 08:03:58 <unique311> the video is really good
Jan 01 08:04:46 <zoran> the very reason I like ascci is to come over this low through-put
Jan 01 08:05:09 <zoran> cable provider is kind of robot
Jan 01 08:05:17 <zoran> no brain, just body
Jan 01 08:06:23 <zoran> no country in nyc?
Jan 01 08:06:23 <unique311> h
Jan 01 08:07:00 <unique311> nyc is its own country.
Jan 01 08:07:09 <unique311> the whole united states thing is a front
Jan 01 08:07:18 <zoran> Johnny Cash has some cd with just voice and guitar, american recordings, I think
Jan 01 08:08:06 <zoran> have been in Arizona?
Jan 01 08:10:03 <unique311> ny, florida, chicago, california
Jan 01 08:10:07 <unique311> virginia
Jan 01 08:10:13 <unique311> north carolina
Jan 01 08:10:14 <unique311> sout
Jan 01 08:10:21 <unique311> DC
Jan 01 08:10:31 <unique311> so on and so on
Jan 01 08:11:07 <zoran> huh, what a mess just to download garnet vm!!!
Jan 01 08:11:57 <zoran> they sent the link, but it did not arrive
Jan 01 08:23:44 <zoran> hm, I just cannot get through pages to download garnet!
Jan 01 08:23:53 <zoran> goes all around
Jan 01 08:28:57 * zoran gone to feed dragons
Jan 01 08:55:46 <ppip> hello
Jan 01 08:57:44 <ppip> my n770 got wsod
Jan 01 08:57:46 <ppip> ...
Jan 01 09:15:23 <eber_> happy new year :)
Jan 01 12:05:43 <sandyang028> Happy New Year:P
Jan 01 13:28:02 <sbaturzio> Happy New Year!!!!
Jan 01 15:02:56 <hahlo> booiiing: how you managed to get gpg-tor freenode working? Do you use gpg key as passwd?
Jan 01 15:05:50 <hahlo> To me it always say 'bad password' closing link
Jan 01 15:06:20 <booiiing> you have to use the nickname and password that you provided in the email
Jan 01 15:06:44 <booiiing> i sent them a nickname and an md5-hash of the password, signed with my key and a copy of my public key attached
Jan 01 15:07:25 <hahlo> booiiing: passwd as hashed or plain text when you connect?
Jan 01 15:08:15 <booiiing> plain of course
Jan 01 15:08:42 <hahlo> ok I have tried to do so
Jan 01 15:09:01 <hahlo> maybe it takes time
Jan 01 15:28:56 <n770_11> lokking for n770 telnet
Jan 01 15:29:03 <n770_11> lookin
Jan 01 15:29:12 <n770_11> sory
Jan 01 15:29:43 <n770_11> looking for N770 telnet soft any help?
Jan 01 15:30:07 <doc|home> n770_11: garage.maemo.org should be a good place to start
Jan 01 15:30:29 <n770_11> have OS 2006.49-2
Jan 01 15:38:56 <n770_11> anybody available abt: OS 2007 / 770 hacker edition
Jan 01 15:44:55 <|tbb|> hello all, happy new year!
Jan 01 15:45:07 <|tbb|> r the maemo repros not broken anymore?
Jan 01 16:39:50 <zoran> could someone show me md5 for garnet vm for nokia 770?
Jan 01 16:40:42 <jackylee> Is there an java enviroment in Nokia N800
Jan 01 16:46:18 <skibur> good morning
Jan 01 16:47:10 <unique311> jackylee, jalimo?
Jan 01 16:47:50 <unique311> java-like environment for mobile Linux devices
Jan 01 16:48:23 <jackylee> Thank you.^_^
Jan 01 16:53:50 <unique311> np
Jan 01 16:54:45 <unique311> so with the IT making alot of noise end of the year, we should expect lots more goodies for it this year.
Jan 01 16:54:50 <unique311> hopefully
Jan 01 16:55:08 <skibur> is kde on n800 a good Idea?
Jan 01 16:55:15 <unique311> sd card
Jan 01 16:55:28 <unique311> speaking of sd cards, today i clone my os
Jan 01 16:55:31 <unique311> to sd card
Jan 01 16:55:57 <unique311> installing way too much applications...running out of room
Jan 01 17:00:19 <eber_> unique: i cloned mine to 2Gb internal space on n810. Have lot of room now :)
Jan 01 17:03:22 <unique311> eber_, which guide did you follow?
Jan 01 17:06:13 <eber_> unique: i read the one in the wiki and this one (including links) : http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/index.php?t-13604.html
Jan 01 17:09:08 <Zic> on the process list (viewed by load-applet), I have "kicker" ... The same kicker panel as in KDE ?
Jan 01 17:11:31 <n770_11> if anybody knows a telnet client for N770 pse email: dl5raz(at)darc.de
Jan 01 17:11:54 <skibur> Is there a command in linux that can display how much space each directory is taking?
Jan 01 17:11:55 <atlas95> hello
Jan 01 17:12:06 <skibur> like the command df
Jan 01 17:12:18 <atlas95> I have jsut install the sdk, I see any apps available in the program manager
Jan 01 17:12:33 <atlas95> I think I have lost a line in my sources.list?
Jan 01 17:13:25 <truls> skibur: du
Jan 01 17:14:31 <skibur> hum...
Jan 01 17:15:02 <skibur> all I see is numbers on the left and directories on the right that are repeating like crazy
Jan 01 17:16:17 <n770_11> if anybody knows a telnet client for N770 pse email: dl5raz(at)darc.de
Jan 01 17:16:41 <n770_11> or let me know here
Jan 01 17:16:58 <skibur> how about just for the main directory like    etc, bin, root, var, usr,...
Jan 01 17:19:08 <unique311> du /etc
Jan 01 17:19:08 <unique311> du --help
Jan 01 17:19:36 <skibur> hum...
Jan 01 17:19:41 <skibur> du -Sh
Jan 01 17:19:49 <skibur> but not getting what I want
Jan 01 17:19:53 <skibur> trying...
Jan 01 17:20:04 <unique311>    /directory
Jan 01 17:20:36 <unique311> du -SH /directoryyouwanttocheck
Jan 01 17:25:29 <skibur> for example
Jan 01 17:25:43 <unique311> S is an invalid option
Jan 01 17:26:02 <skibur> ls -lh shows that my /home is 4.0k?
Jan 01 17:26:15 <skibur> I have more than 10gb
Jan 01 17:26:25 <skibur> 4.0k is the folder created
Jan 01 17:26:30 <skibur> I'm assuming
Jan 01 17:27:21 <unique311> shows 0 over here
Jan 01 17:27:37 <skibur> and my /sbin should be on the 20gb
Jan 01 17:27:37 <unique311> du shows that it s 13498
Jan 01 17:28:43 <skibur> if 'ls' could show how much each directory is taking up on / it would be nice.
Jan 01 17:28:58 <skibur> just the main ones though
Jan 01 17:29:01 <skibur> anyway
Jan 01 17:29:02 <unique311> du shows this
Jan 01 17:29:37 <skibur> yeah but recursively
Jan 01 17:35:38 <alterego> Only if you tell it to recurse.
Jan 01 17:36:04 <maemo-user> hi
Jan 01 17:37:44 <maemo-user> i make a mistake whebn i flash my n800 , i download a old firwmare and flash with this firmware by error
Jan 01 17:38:28 <Jiten> sounds like you should just download the new one and flash that then.
Jan 01 17:38:28 <maemo-user> i would like know if it is possible to reflash with a last version, or i my n800 is broken now ??
Jan 01 17:38:29 <eber_> maemo-user: why not just reflash it with the new one ?
Jan 01 17:38:46 <maemo-user> eber_: i can switch on anymore
Jan 01 17:39:20 <Jiten> does it show anything on the screen when you try to switch on?
Jan 01 17:39:44 <Jiten> can you recharge it?
Jan 01 17:39:59 <maemo-user> Jiten: yes
Jan 01 17:40:08 <Jiten> then it should be possible to flash it again
Jan 01 17:40:09 <maemo-user> so when i have the message "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" , and when i press home button, nothing happening
Jan 01 17:41:08 <Jiten> I thought it needed to be turned off and then you neede to press power and home simultaneously
Jan 01 17:41:09 <maemo-user> Jiten: okay, good news, it is in charge for now, i hope i could reflash it
Jan 01 17:41:58 <Jiten> if it acknowledges the charger, it should work enough to allow flashing, I think.
Jan 01 17:42:53 <Jiten> try to get the right image this time though :)
Jan 01 17:42:59 <maemo-user> Jiten: ok, thanks for your advince, i redo a try in 15minutes
Jan 01 17:43:06 <maemo-user> sure :)
Jan 01 17:43:37 <maemo-user> this RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Jan 01 17:44:34 <sibbe> http://www.cs.helsinki.fi/u/jvtmuukk/chinook/dmz-cursors/ DMZ mouse cursors :)
Jan 01 17:44:50 <Jiten> maemo-user: I've always just used these instructions http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux/
Jan 01 17:45:16 <maemo-user> the nokia dl page firmware is so boring and ugly, and we need to rename the file, it's so annoying
Jan 01 17:45:33 <maemo-user> Jiten: ok
Jan 01 17:47:04 <sampbar> does anybody have any experience with connecting up a bluetooth gps unit (JRT-29) to a 770 running 2007he with maemo mapper?
Jan 01 17:47:14 <sampbar> i cant seem to get it to connect with maemo mapper
Jan 01 17:47:15 <maemo-user> well, it's time about to try again :)
Jan 01 17:47:32 <sampbar> it has 3 attempts then says error connecting to gpsd or something along those lines
Jan 01 17:58:43 <skibur> Has anybody worked on or seen a rotating option of the screen on the Nokia Internet Tablet?
Jan 01 17:59:59 <ptman> fbreader has rotation
Jan 01 18:00:23 <florian_> skibur: I tried xrandr on an early software release for the 770...
Jan 01 18:00:31 <p|> does exists any howto to build a DEB package for a python program ?
Jan 01 18:01:02 <florian_> skibur: The X server has Xrandr extensions but did not work properly rotated, but that might be fixed.
Jan 01 18:01:28 <skibur> xrandr
Jan 01 18:01:40 <p|> i need to build a package for rdiff-backup
Jan 01 18:01:58 <skibur> I will give it a wack at it
Jan 01 18:04:16 <n770_11> help: need telnet for OS2006 this  link is not ok (no download) http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2006/busybox
Jan 01 18:04:52 <n770_11> where to get deb file?
Jan 01 18:06:34 <n770_11> pse send email to dl5raz(at)darc.de
Jan 01 18:06:59 <n770_11> /exit
Jan 01 18:07:02 <n770_11> /q
Jan 01 18:14:31 <ph|ber> anyone have a carwhisperer package for 810?
Jan 01 18:14:43 <ph|ber> trying to build it.. complaining about osso1
Jan 01 18:16:55 <sbz> Jiten: it was me maemo-user, on a livecd :/ , thanks again it works great now =)
Jan 01 18:32:04 <skibur> I want to compile apps for the N800 - OS2008.  Do I need both Maemo 4.0 Chinook SDK and Scratchbox?
Jan 01 18:40:17 <eber_> for really simple and small things you can compile on the device with make,gcc & so on ... but for real you should probably use the SDK
Jan 01 18:41:51 <skibur> o ok
Jan 01 18:41:52 <skibur> cool
Jan 01 18:42:43 <eber_> the new 2008 (chinook) SDK is really easy to install. They provide scripts for automated scratchbox and sdk install, and they worked out of the box for me
Jan 01 18:43:04 <skibur> are you using a debian Distro?
Jan 01 18:43:13 <eber_> no, gentoo
Jan 01 18:43:13 <skibur> I'm currently on Slackware 12.0
Jan 01 18:43:29 <eber_> if it works on gentoo, it will probably work on slackware too :-)
Jan 01 18:43:34 <skibur> where did you get the source?
Jan 01 18:44:08 <eber_> my first distro was a slackware (in 1993, with 0.99.15 kernel)
Jan 01 18:44:31 <skibur> I looking the page rigth now, but the use of apt-get and deb-src are in use.
Jan 01 18:44:45 <skibur> :P
Jan 01 18:44:49 <ph|ber> anyone using wayfinder?
Jan 01 18:44:56 <skibur> I'm looking at the page right now
Jan 01 18:44:57 <ph|ber> how do i install the trial version.
Jan 01 18:45:01 <eber_> skibur: go to maemo site, click on sdk, and read the install.txt, and try to use automated install scripts first
Jan 01 18:45:03 <ph|ber> i cant find the download for it.
Jan 01 18:45:09 <skibur> hum...
Jan 01 18:45:10 <skibur> ok
Jan 01 18:50:16 <skibur> ok eber_
Jan 01 18:50:26 <skibur> I'm downloading the scratchbox
Jan 01 18:50:31 <skibur> 49m
Jan 01 18:52:59 <eber_> ski: if it doesn't work with the script, you can do it manually (but it's more complicated)
Jan 01 18:53:30 <skibur> ok
Jan 01 18:53:35 <skibur> I got all day
Jan 01 18:53:36 <skibur> lol
Jan 01 18:54:03 <skibur> once the tar.gz has been downloaded, do I have to do the standard compile?
Jan 01 18:56:37 <eber_> I think the script downloads precompiled binaries.
Jan 01 18:58:04 <skibur> o ok
Jan 01 18:58:05 <skibur> cool
Jan 01 19:03:16 <skibur> I was currently helping out with the Nintendo DS - DSLinux project.  I ported some apps and games for it.  It was fun.  I'm thinking of porting some apps for N800.  Maybe even a game like "Lights Out."   Only time will tell what I will do in the future with my N800. ;)
Jan 01 19:06:17 <eber_> now that my root directory is on the n810 2gb internal storage, i can install a lot of applications, so please bring in the games ;)
Jan 01 19:07:41 <tank-man> i used wget to download something to my home dir on the n800, where is that located in the filemanager?
Jan 01 19:08:46 <Veggen> it's not.
Jan 01 19:09:24 <tank-man> so where can i move it so i can see it in the filemanager?
Jan 01 19:09:32 <Veggen> actually, the logic behind the home directory usage, I'm hard pressed to see....
Jan 01 19:09:44 <eber_> tank: somewhere under ~/MyDocs ?
Jan 01 19:09:44 <Veggen> a second.
Jan 01 19:10:12 <Veggen> For example to /home/user/MyDocs/.documents
Jan 01 19:10:29 <Veggen> or /media/mmc1 (for the external memory card)
Jan 01 19:10:32 <eber_> i've created a work directory under ~/MyDocs and i do all my stuff from here and it can be seen from file manager
Jan 01 19:10:45 <tank-man> ok, i'll try that
Jan 01 19:10:48 <eber_> diner time. bye :)
Jan 01 19:14:36 <skibur> bye
Jan 01 19:15:53 <skibur> 99 bottles of beer in the wall, 99 bottles of beer, take 1 down, pass it around, 98 bottles of beer on the wall... x98
Jan 01 19:18:40 <skibur> which is the newest gcc?
Jan 01 19:20:25 <skibur> on the application manger, there is two gcc
Jan 01 19:20:46 <skibur> gcc and gcc 3.4   Which one is the most current one?
Jan 01 19:21:17 <skibur> 4:3.4.4-7osso2
Jan 01 19:21:37 <skibur> or 3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5osso8
Jan 01 19:28:57 <n770-user> [5~/quit
Jan 01 19:37:14 <MangoFusion> hey there! :)
Jan 01 19:38:19 <Zero_Dogg> anyone here affiliated with the developer device program?
Jan 01 19:38:40 <skibur> I have already installed scratchbox, but how do I start it?
Jan 01 19:39:37 <mazzen> skibur: you can login with "/scratchbox/login"
Jan 01 19:40:17 <skibur> I get this:  No utmp entry.  You must exec "login" from the lowest level "sh"
Jan 01 19:41:15 <skibur> checking /etc/group
Jan 01 19:41:17 <skibur> checking /etc/groups
Jan 01 19:41:20 <mazzen> did you re-login? means: quit the gnome session and logged in again?
Jan 01 19:42:42 <skibur> doing that now
Jan 01 19:42:45 <skibur> be right back
Jan 01 19:47:18 <skibur> hum...
Jan 01 19:47:56 <truent> still no go?
Jan 01 19:48:16 <skibur> restarting
Jan 01 19:48:40 <Spacer> greetings
Jan 01 19:48:57 <Spacer> are the standard apps in OS2008 open source?
Jan 01 19:49:03 <Makawity> hi
Jan 01 19:50:21 <skibur> o  by the way, trying to compile a console app with bluetooth functions on the n800, but can't seem to find them.  any pointers?
Jan 01 19:51:13 <Makawity> anyone using maemo-sdk vmwave appliance?
Jan 01 19:51:36 <skibur> looks like it can't find any libd
Jan 01 19:51:58 <truent> skibur, the old bluez-utils?
Jan 01 19:52:03 <truent> whatcha need hcitool?
Jan 01 19:52:34 <skibur> o ok, haven't tried that
Jan 01 19:52:55 <Makawity> (or more specific question -- I seem to have problem with my scratchbox environment missing dpkg-dev, and I can't install because no repository has perl5 and perl-modules -- which maemo repo has those?)
Jan 01 19:52:58 <truent> os2007 had hcitool..
Jan 01 19:53:01 <truent> it still works
Jan 01 19:53:08 <truent> brb
Jan 01 19:56:40 <skibur> great it works
Jan 01 19:56:54 <skibur> thanks truent
Jan 01 20:01:45 <Spacer> are the standard apps in OS2008 open source?
Jan 01 20:03:58 <mazzen> Spacer: depends on what "standard apps" means :) but i would say yes.
Jan 01 20:04:15 <ptman> mazzen: no they are not
Jan 01 20:04:24 <ptman> at least they weren't
Jan 01 20:04:29 <ptman> for example the pdf viewer
Jan 01 20:05:08 <ptman> it uses poppler, but at least earlier there were two binaries, one using poppler and being open source, and the gui, which was closed source
Jan 01 20:05:09 <mazzen> huh! i thought evince is the standard pdf viewer
Jan 01 20:05:17 <ptman> and there two comunicated using dbus
Jan 01 20:05:30 <ptman> well at least the media player isn't open
Jan 01 20:05:45 <mazzen> ah, thanks for the info
Jan 01 20:05:56 <ptman> np
Jan 01 20:06:11 <xerakko> anybody could say me which are the differences between n800 and n810?
Jan 01 20:06:26 <xerakko> (except de price ;)
Jan 01 20:06:34 <skibur> need 2 jet,, laater
Jan 01 20:06:37 <vegai> n810 has real keyboard
Jan 01 20:06:48 <vegai> more memory, I think. Clocked up CPU
Jan 01 20:06:52 <mazzen> ptman: hm... so is it not possible to change the crappy standard mail program through the tiny based mail client on the hacker editions for the N770?
Jan 01 20:07:03 <ptman> xerakko: http://tabletblog.com/2007/11/n800-vs-n810-roundup.html
Jan 01 20:07:18 <xerakko> ptman, thanks!
Jan 01 20:07:49 <ptman> mazzen: at least when i tried it on the n800 it just installed as an additional client
Jan 01 20:07:50 <Makawity> but n810 has less memory slots than n800
Jan 01 20:08:05 <ptman> so if it compiles for the he, it probably works
Jan 01 20:08:07 <Cptnodegard> xerakko: 810 has a keyboard, and built in gps. it also has only one memory card slot, a mini SD one, and 2GB internal memory - max memory is 10GB in other words. 800 has two sdhc card slots, 32GB memory max, no physical keyboard or gps
Jan 01 20:08:13 <Makawity> n800 has 2xSD(HC), n810 has 2G builtin flash and one microSD socket
Jan 01 20:08:23 <mazzen> ptman: that would be pretty cool
Jan 01 20:10:56 <mazzen> btw: does anyone knows a clever way for developering apps for the n770 and n810? is it possible to switch between the different maemo's?
Jan 01 20:14:37 <truent> skibur, what were you needing to do?
Jan 01 20:14:59 <Spacer> mazzen, app wise the only thing that is (slightly) different is the hildon api
Jan 01 20:15:23 <Spacer> and you can catch that easily with a few #ifdef's
Jan 01 20:15:52 <mazzen> k. thanks Spacer
Jan 01 20:16:01 <Spacer> beneath all this OSxxx talk, its still just plain ol' linux ;)
Jan 01 20:16:58 <Spacer> try this, for example
Jan 01 20:16:59 <Spacer> http://pastebin.com/m64063290
Jan 01 20:18:23 <Spacer> are the standard apps in OS2008 open source?
Jan 01 20:18:47 <Spacer> i mean especially the pdf reader app, but can make a few improvements to config screen/options as well
Jan 01 20:19:23 <mazzen> i thought there are a lot of differences in the whole structure, as the debs for the older maemo releases doesn't work for the current
Jan 01 20:19:56 <Spacer> im not an expert, but that was the only change required for my test program
Jan 01 20:49:41 <shackan> Spacer: the default pdf reader is not, but Evince is
Jan 01 20:50:03 <Spacer> what about the core utilities like config screen?
Jan 01 21:13:18 <p|> f@cking python installer :-/
Jan 01 21:17:35 <MangoFusion> is python any good on maemo?
Jan 01 21:18:36 <MangoFusion> (disclaimer: i only just got a maemo tablet so i have no idea) :)
Jan 01 21:18:59 <truls> its
Jan 01 21:19:01 <truls> good
Jan 01 21:20:09 <MangoFusion> that's all i need to hear :D
Jan 01 21:49:01 <rutledge> need to ask a stupid question about Application Manager
Jan 01 21:49:26 <rutledge> anybody around?
Jan 01 21:50:01 <nomis> rutledge: why do you need anybody around to just ask a question?
Jan 01 21:50:18 <rutledge> so somebody would answer it
Jan 01 21:50:22 <rutledge> or you have bots for that?
Jan 01 21:50:32 <nomis> ah, you actually need an answer.
Jan 01 21:50:44 * nomis is being pedantic today  :)
Jan 01 21:51:20 <rutledge> beyond pedantic I would say
Jan 01 21:51:47 <rutledge> anyway I add the catalog entry for repository.maemo.org/extras to my 770's list of catalogs
Jan 01 21:51:52 <rutledge> I wanted to install maemo mapper
Jan 01 21:51:56 <rutledge> but it doesn't find it
Jan 01 21:52:10 <rutledge> the update is successful but the list of apps is still rather short
Jan 01 21:53:19 <nomis> mhm, does this repository actually hold a version of maemo mapper for the 770?
Jan 01 21:53:26 <rutledge> yes
Jan 01 21:54:00 <rutledge> http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/mistral/free/binary-i386/Packages
Jan 01 21:54:04 <rutledge> it's the first entry even
Jan 01 21:54:25 <rutledge> err http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/mistral/free/binary-armel/Packages
Jan 01 21:54:28 <rutledge> first entry there too
Jan 01 21:54:45 <|tbb|> anyone familar with xmodmap and keyrebinding?
Jan 01 21:54:57 <rutledge> I forgot whether this device has mistral or scirocco but where is the "about" box so I can see that?
Jan 01 21:55:06 <rutledge> anyway I tried both... no difference
Jan 01 21:55:12 <rutledge> it does not find apps from this respository
Jan 01 21:55:16 <nomis> rutledge: I always get confused about the codenames.
Jan 01 21:55:36 <rutledge> app manager sucks in general
Jan 01 21:56:23 <nomis> rutledge: you entered "free" in the appropriate place of the dialog?
Jan 01 21:57:56 <rutledge> Web address: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/
Jan 01 21:58:01 <rutledge> Distribution: scirocco
Jan 01 21:58:05 <rutledge> Components: free non-free
Jan 01 21:58:16 <nomis> mhm. Ok, I actually have no clue then - sorry.
Jan 01 21:59:44 <rutledge> is this explained well somewhere?
Jan 01 21:59:54 <Spac0r> what is?
Jan 01 22:03:53 <p|> seems 'python setup.py build' find the wrong gcc path on scratchbox (chinook)
Jan 01 22:07:09 <mazzen> rutledge: it's not "repository"
Jan 01 22:07:14 <mazzen> wait a second, please
Jan 01 22:09:40 <mazzen> rutledge: please try http://repostory.maemo.org/ . i'm not sure if this fix your issue, but try it. it's better than nothing
Jan 01 22:09:53 <rutledge> leave off extras/ in other words
Jan 01 22:10:01 <mazzen> no
Jan 01 22:10:29 <mazzen> change repository to repostory
Jan 01 22:15:53 <rutledge> no the spelling of repository is fine
Jan 01 22:16:40 <rutledge> now that I figured out how to ssh in again (it's been a while) I can just use apt instead of that horrid GUI
Jan 01 22:21:33 <ustunozgur> can osso-xterm load .profile? how?
Jan 01 22:21:39 <ustunozgur> i mean ash
Jan 01 22:22:25 <rutledge> for me it loads .profile
Jan 01 22:22:34 <rutledge> via ssh
Jan 01 22:22:37 <disq> ooh somebody from bilkent
Jan 01 22:22:42 <disq> nice
Jan 01 22:23:52 <ustunozgur> hi.
Jan 01 22:25:35 <ustunozgur> it loads /etc/profile for me from ssh
Jan 01 22:25:52 <disq> did you check the ITT forums about this?
Jan 01 22:26:30 <ustunozgur> no, not yet. got the machine yesterday :)
Jan 01 22:26:58 <disq> which one, n800, 810, or the 770?
Jan 01 22:27:01 <ustunozgur> n800
Jan 01 22:27:54 <disq> flashed OS2008 yet?
Jan 01 22:27:57 <rutledge> yes I see, if there is a /home/user/.profile, it doesn't affect the xterm
Jan 01 22:28:08 <rutledge> but you can type . ./.profile
Jan 01 22:28:38 <ustunozgur> disq:  no, not yet.
Jan 01 22:28:50 <ustunozgur> should I?
Jan 01 22:29:01 <disq> yeah it's great
Jan 01 22:32:57 <rutledge> http://inz.fi/blog/2007/04/11/osso-xterm-and-profile/
Jan 01 22:50:31 <|tbb|> how to update osso-xterm
Jan 01 22:53:08 <|tbb|> rm_you: anything new on a2dp patch
Jan 01 22:57:52 <blahdeblah> wow - this N800 rocks
Jan 01 23:00:56 <kbsingh> blahdeblah: nice
Jan 01 23:01:10 <kbsingh> what are you doing with it ?
Jan 01 23:01:23 <blahdeblah> l'm new to N800 and maemo but not to Linux or Free Software.  Where is this a good place to ask general user questions, or development only?
Jan 01 23:01:35 <blahdeblah> s/Where is/Is/
Jan 01 23:01:36 <infobot> blahdeblah meant: l'm new to N800 and maemo but not to Linux or Free Software.  Is this a good place to ask general user questions, or development only?
Jan 01 23:02:03 <blahdeblah> Nice bot - it understands regexps!
Jan 01 23:02:52 <rm_you> |tbb|: not really, was gone for new years
Jan 01 23:03:04 <rm_you> |tbb|: but i did get mplayer to build right, so more testing today :)
Jan 01 23:03:04 <blahdeblah> kbsingh: I'm trying to replace a Dell Axim X50v, and avoid buying a laptop. :-)
Jan 01 23:04:04 <kbsingh> blahdeblah: might work out
Jan 01 23:04:10 <skibur> does the RSS feed reader  app broken?
Jan 01 23:04:24 <kbsingh> i have a n810 and trying to get wired ethernet going on this
Jan 01 23:05:01 <kbsingh> skibur: absordly, its broken for me as well.  just wont start up
Jan 01 23:05:08 <kbsingh> absurdly even
Jan 01 23:05:20 <rm_you> kbsingh: Supposedly USB ethernet works if you're connecting to a linux machine... is that what you're doing?
Jan 01 23:05:21 <blahdeblah> skibur: anything that lists every item in a feed in the same document without breaking it up into separate messages is very broken, IMO
Jan 01 23:05:36 <skibur> hum,  mine will not update
Jan 01 23:05:44 <blahdeblah> I hear claws mail has an RSS reader - does anyone know whether it is any good?
Jan 01 23:06:11 <kbsingh> rm_you: not really, i guess you mean using usbserial and ppp over that to a machine ?
Jan 01 23:06:21 <MangoFusion> blahdeblah: axim x50v? haha, i had one of those. what a nightmare
Jan 01 23:06:30 <ustunozgur> |tbb|: I did an upgrade after adding maemo-hackers repo, and now I have profile sourcing in ash,
Jan 01 23:06:30 <kbsingh> i need something to plug a real enet cat5 into
Jan 01 23:06:35 <MangoFusion> my n800 by comparison is much more useful
Jan 01 23:06:36 <MangoFusion> ;)
Jan 01 23:06:37 <rm_you> kbsingh: like, just a usb cable like used for flashing...
Jan 01 23:06:54 <rm_you> kbsingh: lemmie see if i can find the documents on it
Jan 01 23:07:13 <kbsingh> rm_you: thanks but thats not what i need
Jan 01 23:07:17 <rm_you> ah ok
Jan 01 23:07:41 <blahdeblah> MangoFusion: It worked pretty well for me for 3 years, but it's getting a bit long in the tooth now, and a bit inflexible.  I'm finding the N800 great, but i've only had it for a couple of days, so i'm still finding my feet.
Jan 01 23:07:53 <rm_you> kbsingh: are you trying to get a usb ethernet dongle working or something?
Jan 01 23:07:55 <kbsingh> i need to be able to plug the n810 into a real network that has no computers on it and ssh / telnet around
Jan 01 23:08:05 <rm_you> ah
Jan 01 23:08:11 <kbsingh> rm_you: thats the plan
Jan 01 23:08:21 <kbsingh> not sure which one to  get
Jan 01 23:08:28 <rm_you> well, good luck... you get the USB host part working at least?
Jan 01 23:08:50 <MangoFusion> blahdeblah: i couldn't quite find a place for mine. then the battery started going. and of course the OS always seemed to be annoyingly slow (even when i upgraded)
Jan 01 23:08:55 <rm_you> I'm not sure how hard that is supposed to be in os2008, but i've been planning on testing it... bought the cable like a month ago in preparation
Jan 01 23:09:02 <MangoFusion> i have higher hopes for my n800 though
Jan 01 23:09:03 <MangoFusion> hehe
Jan 01 23:09:08 <blahdeblah> Me too
Jan 01 23:09:09 <kbsingh> i suppose it starts with me getting a sandbox up and the kernel sources
Jan 01 23:09:16 <MangoFusion> just need to set up a dev environment and hey presto
Jan 01 23:09:29 <MangoFusion> (that's the plan, anyway)
Jan 01 23:09:45 <kbsingh> MangoFusion:  famous last words
Jan 01 23:09:45 * czr peeks
Jan 01 23:09:49 <MangoFusion> haha yes
Jan 01 23:09:59 <rm_you> yeah, the sandbox setup for the n800 is amazingly simple... i just came from Zaurus development like a year ago, and that was ridiculously hard in comparison :/
Jan 01 23:10:48 <MangoFusion> i thought zaurus was supposed to be good
Jan 01 23:10:51 <kbsingh> man, getting ctrl and p at the same time is hard on this thing
Jan 01 23:10:58 <MangoFusion> or was that *used* to be good?
Jan 01 23:11:07 <rm_you> the platform? or the development system? >_>
Jan 01 23:11:19 <rm_you> the platform was awesome, but comparatively kinda bleh now
Jan 01 23:11:41 <blahdeblah> The most fricking annoying thing about this N800 is that i can't select 24 hour time.  And they marked the bug as "RESOLVED LATER" - how is that resolved?
Jan 01 23:11:41 <rm_you> the dev system with bit-bake was ridiculous... it took like 5 hours to set up, on a FAST system
Jan 01 23:11:58 <rm_you> blahdeblah: in 2008? seriously? that's... dumb
Jan 01 23:12:01 <czr> rm_you, try installing maemo sdk when there's a new OS release
Jan 01 23:12:03 * kbsingh bbl
Jan 01 23:12:29 <blahdeblah> rm_you: Yep - upgrading to 2008 was the first thing i did when i got it.
Jan 01 23:12:38 <MangoFusion> me too
Jan 01 23:12:54 <rm_you> i just upgraded yesterday (had the device for like four months now in os2007)
Jan 01 23:12:57 <blahdeblah> Apparently this has been a bug since OS2005, which i'd never even heard of until i looked up the bug in bugzilla
Jan 01 23:13:14 <rm_you> i was hesitant because everything was working excellently already... but i really wanted to work on a2dp dev in 2008
Jan 01 23:13:36 <rm_you> i'm only kinda regretting the flash >_>
Jan 01 23:13:58 <rm_you> but when a2dp support gets better in 2008, things should settle down... it's actually WORSE at the moment :(
Jan 01 23:14:03 <blahdeblah> Yeah - and i hear backup and restore isn't that great yet.
Jan 01 23:14:18 <blahdeblah> What's a2dp, BTW?
Jan 01 23:14:35 <rm_you> bluetooth stereo audio protocol
Jan 01 23:15:04 <rm_you> so i can listen to music on my bluetooth wireless headphones
Jan 01 23:15:11 <blahdeblah> cool
Jan 01 23:15:21 <rm_you> and eventually (hopefully... but will need a lot of improvement first) watch movies :P
Jan 01 23:15:55 <blahdeblah> Thanks for the chat, folks.  Gotta go & feed the kids some breakfast.  :-)  Will be seeing you all again "real soon now".  :-)
Jan 01 23:16:03 <rm_you> yeah, brb lunch :P
Jan 01 23:16:04 * kbsingh goes back to fingering his ps3/fedora
Jan 01 23:17:21 <czr> alterego, hey man, happy new year :-)
Jan 01 23:17:30 <czr> and all of you other maemoers too :-)
Jan 01 23:18:40 <kbsingh> rar, a new year
Jan 01 23:18:45 <kbsingh> have a good one
Jan 01 23:19:11 <czr> I promise to!
Jan 01 23:20:07 <inz> czr, you mean maemoaners
Jan 01 23:20:17 <czr> maemowieners :-)
Jan 01 23:20:20 <czr> hey inz too
Jan 01 23:25:20 <kbsingh> guys, in oss-xterm, how do i get a ctrl keystroke on the toolbar ?
Jan 01 23:25:38 <kbsingh> just pressing it does not work, and neither does ^p
Jan 01 23:27:26 <kbsingh> nor does ControlP
Jan 01 23:28:28 <halley> It should be magically adding it to the toolbar, separate from the ones you added.
Jan 01 23:29:16 <kbsingh> halley: how do i type in a trl p in the value box ?
Jan 01 23:29:28 <kbsingh> also there is no plus sign on the keyboard
Jan 01 23:29:44 <kbsingh> and Chr menu does not have it either
Jan 01 23:30:05 <kbsingh> eeeerr
Jan 01 23:30:10 <kbsingh> wait :)
Jan 01 23:30:18 * kbsingh spots a + key
Jan 01 23:31:28 <|tbb|> kbsingh: http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/ whatever key you need
Jan 01 23:32:22 <kbsingh> |tbb|: ty
Jan 01 23:32:28 * kbsingh looks
Jan 01 23:33:35 <kbsingh> humm not what i need
Jan 01 23:34:13 <kbsingh> i need to work out howto get a key combo into the xterm toolbar / shortcuts bar
Jan 01 23:34:46 <inz> kbsingh, <ctrl>p
Jan 01 23:34:58 <kbsingh> ah lets try that
Jan 01 23:35:08 <inz> At least that's the way I coded it ^^
Jan 01 23:35:42 <kbsingh> inz works, ty
Jan 01 23:35:54 <halley> documentation ftw
Jan 01 23:36:33 <kbsingh> halley: where are the docs on this ?
Jan 01 23:36:59 <halley> My comment was to inz, or whomever should have produced docs.
Jan 01 23:37:22 <kbsingh> aah. i thought i was overlooking something
Jan 01 23:37:41 <inz> halley, I'm no technical writer
Jan 01 23:37:43 <kbsingh> but yea a hint of sorts would help
Jan 01 23:37:50 <|tbb|> is it possible to make the toolbar bigger
Jan 01 23:38:33 <inz> |tbb|, in "my" version (i.e. the one from maemo-hackers) just write longer labels, in the "official" 2008 version, probably not
Jan 01 23:39:06 <kbsingh> aaaggg no, how about make it smaller ? atleast 6px on top and 6px on the bottom could be trimmed without changing font size or anything extra
Jan 01 23:39:49 <Spac0r> are the core tools like package manager or config screen open source in OS2008?
Jan 01 23:39:58 <kbsingh> inz: how about some way to loose that scrollbar on the right ?
Jan 01 23:40:04 <kbsingh> is that possible
Jan 01 23:40:05 <halley> 'lose'
Jan 01 23:40:24 <SXN_KommandEr> hey guys
Jan 01 23:40:33 <kbsingh> halley: yea that, not quiteused to the kb as yet
Jan 01 23:40:38 <Spac0r> hi, SXN_KommandEr from the beautifull city
Jan 01 23:40:57 <halley> Spac0r, the app manager is a gui over apt-get.  Neither gui is likely "open".
Jan 01 23:41:02 <SXN_KommandEr> i just got a program working on the N770 and im happy.  but is there a way of doing faster text input than on-screen kbd?
Jan 01 23:41:16 <inz> kbsingh, I'll implement that if I ever make a new version
Jan 01 23:41:29 <deejoe> SXN_KommandEr: you can get a bluetooth hardware keyboard
Jan 01 23:41:34 <inz> kbsingh, but now that nokia seems to be picking up some maintainership, I might not do any more releases
Jan 01 23:41:37 <Spac0r> halley, so basically the config screen app and sub apps aren't open sourced?
Jan 01 23:41:39 <kbsingh> inz you the man
Jan 01 23:41:42 <deejoe> or you can install openssh-server and then ssh in from another computer
Jan 01 23:41:50 <SXN_KommandEr> deejoe thats not a bad idea but costs 100$
Jan 01 23:41:51 <kbsingh> hummm
Jan 01 23:42:01 <deejoe> SXN_KommandEr: I got one for about half that.
Jan 01 23:42:07 <deejoe> the folding ones cost that much
Jan 01 23:42:20 <SXN_KommandEr> openssh-server sounds better, if i run an X application from the ssh console will it display on the N770 display?
Jan 01 23:42:24 <deejoe> but an apple bt keyboard can be had for less.
Jan 01 23:42:28 <halley> amazon had the folding one for US$30 a few weeks ago.
Jan 01 23:42:35 <SXN_KommandEr> oh man 30$ is a great price
Jan 01 23:42:43 <kbsingh> igo have a nice keyboard
Jan 01 23:42:43 <SXN_KommandEr> apple bt kbd goes fro how much?
Jan 01 23:43:01 <halley> SXN_KommandEr, you can run x apps from ssh and it appear on the tablet, yes.
Jan 01 23:43:42 <|tbb|> i would like to open n810 programs over ssh on desktop pc, but i dont get it
Jan 01 23:43:49 <kbsingh> the other thing that might make some more room on the screen is that smart typing guessing bar at the bottom
Jan 01 23:44:09 <kbsingh> that really should be turn on/off'able
Jan 01 23:44:14 <halley> |tbb|, are you setting DISPLAY on your ssh?
Jan 01 23:44:30 <SXN_KommandEr> that smart typing thing is useless when typing hot code at a REPL prompt
Jan 01 23:44:32 <|tbb|> how ?
Jan 01 23:44:40 <halley> kbsingh, I installed scim-anthy and it got rid of that guessbar.
Jan 01 23:45:00 <deejoe> smart typing is also not good when entering passwords in an xterm
Jan 01 23:45:08 <kbsingh> halley: that also turns off the chr menu and for me the fn key also
Jan 01 23:45:11 <SXN_KommandEr> lol passwords yeah
Jan 01 23:45:46 <halley> kbsingh, well, chr works differently yes, but fn still works.  Just not sticky.
Jan 01 23:45:58 <kbsingh> humm
Jan 01 23:46:08 <kbsingh> compleetely disabled fn for me
Jan 01 23:46:26 <kbsingh> agh! typo's galore
Jan 01 23:46:31 <SXN_KommandEr> basic dumb questions:  how do i figure out what version im using on the n770?  also if i do end up selling it, how do i wipe the thing down and reset it?
Jan 01 23:46:46 <kbsingh> ok, sigsleep chaps
Jan 01 23:46:54 <halley> It's not an n770 or N770, it's a 770.
Jan 01 23:47:01 <SXN_KommandEr> ok
Jan 01 23:47:04 <halley> |tbb|, I don't like unprovoked /msg
Jan 01 23:47:04 <SXN_KommandEr> 770*
Jan 01 23:47:20 <|tbb|> k
Jan 01 23:47:37 <halley> |tbb|, if you're asking how, then you're not doing it.
Jan 01 23:47:52 <|tbb|> i dont know how
Jan 01 23:47:55 <halley> |tbb|, you have to have an X11 service on the pc, for example.
Jan 01 23:50:06 <|tbb|> k
Jan 01 23:50:46 <SXN_KommandEr> how do i know what version im using on the 770?
Jan 01 23:51:24 <ustunozgur> SXN_KommandEr:  control panel- about product
Jan 01 23:52:21 <SXN_KommandEr> Control Panel -> Device -> About Product   thanks
Jan 01 23:52:38 <SXN_KommandEr> OS 2006, is that good enough or is it worth upgrading a 770?
Jan 01 23:58:55 <rm_you> is there a maemo-hackers equivalent xterm for os2008?
Jan 01 23:59:07 <rm_you> the default is bleh, i miss my advanced xterm from 2007
Jan 02 00:01:17 <inz> rm_you, I guess I'll have to make one
Jan 02 00:01:47 <inz> rm_you, though because the new a-i will refuse to overwrite "official" packages with one from another repo, I'll have to re-brand it
Jan 02 00:03:41 <ph|ber> anyone have kismet running on the 810?
Jan 02 00:08:34 <|tbb|> inz: do u know how to bring os2008 applications viassh to  the desktop pc
Jan 02 00:09:52 <ph|ber> ssh -X
Jan 02 00:10:09 <inz> |tbb|, I have not tried and don't know the default config of the ssh package
Jan 02 00:10:26 <inz> |tbb|, ssh -X helps if X11 forwarding is enabled in the server
Jan 02 00:10:37 <inz> |tbb|, (or ssh -Y)
Jan 02 00:11:52 <|tbb|> ssh -X doesnt worked for me
Jan 02 00:12:20 <deejoe> which kind of doesn't work does it do?
Jan 02 00:13:29 <|tbb|> the applications still starting on internettablet
Jan 02 00:16:38 <rm_you> try changing DISPLAY= ?
Jan 02 00:16:47 <rm_you> what is $DISPLAY now?
Jan 02 00:17:26 <|tbb|> echo $DISPLAY says :0.0
Jan 02 00:17:34 <|tbb|> on desktop pc
Jan 02 00:17:42 <rm_you> right but
Jan 02 00:17:42 <SXN_KommandEr> how do i know if im running gregale or mistral?
Jan 02 00:17:51 <SXN_KommandEr> i dont understand the 770 timeline of upgrades
Jan 02 00:17:54 <rm_you> when you ssh -X into your n810
Jan 02 00:18:11 <|tbb|> Nokia-N810-50-2:~# echo $DISPLAY
Jan 02 00:18:11 <|tbb|> �:0.0
Jan 02 00:18:16 <rm_you> >_>
Jan 02 00:18:29 <rm_you> does that say "localhost:0.0"?
Jan 02 00:20:18 <|tbb|> nope also :0.0
Jan 02 00:22:33 <rm_you> what is "�"
Jan 02 00:23:41 <|tbb|> its not there anymore
Jan 02 00:24:04 <|tbb|> after loggin in it says :0.0
Jan 02 00:27:56 <rm_you> odd
Jan 02 00:28:19 <rm_you> well, i don't remember exactly what it's supposed to be... i haven't played with that stuff in a while
Jan 02 00:28:50 <rm_you> you can try looking up a normal X forwarding tutorial and see if you can figure out what it's supposed to be, and just set it manually...
Jan 02 00:29:10 <rm_you> though the problem is that i'm not sure X is built with forwarding enabled
Jan 02 00:29:41 <dospod> hey anybody have adduser for it2008
Jan 02 00:30:34 <rm_you> trying to get gnokii? :P
Jan 02 00:30:39 <|tbb|>  when i setup the wlan connection manually from console (iwconfig ....) and im successfully connected to the ap. ping www.google.com works. when i then try to start the browser it always trys to connect to an ap. is there a way to browse internet without the browser itself try to find an ap to connect
Jan 02 00:30:40 <dospod> mhm lol
Jan 02 00:30:50 <rm_you> heh, tell me if you figure it out :P
Jan 02 00:31:25 <dospod> ok lol
Jan 02 00:31:44 <dospod> but i need adduser to start
Jan 02 00:33:08 <dospod> im sure it wouldnt be hard to port
Jan 02 00:36:13 <dospod> its surprising its noot on it2008 yet
Jan 02 00:36:27 <|tbb|> any idea what i can do stop microb  trying to connect to an ap
Jan 02 00:36:38 <blahdeblah> Hi all.  What's the best way to conserve battery power (other than turning off) when i'm not using my N800?
Jan 02 00:37:02 <rm_you> |tbb|: connection preferences in the control panel
Jan 02 00:37:11 <rm_you> |tbb|: you can set it to never automatically connect
Jan 02 00:37:23 <rm_you> blahdeblah: offline mode
Jan 02 00:37:23 <alterego> blahdeblah, make sure you're in offline mode and there's no web browser window open.
Jan 02 00:37:32 <disq> blahdeblah: lock screen & keys in os2008 (this will turn off the screen too)
Jan 02 00:37:39 <rm_you> blahdeblah: and make the screen turn off quickly
Jan 02 00:37:46 <disq> and yeah offlinemode is good
Jan 02 00:38:05 <rm_you> disq: oddly enough, my lock screen and keys no longer blanks the screen for me in 2008 >_> it's annoying
Jan 02 00:38:12 <blahdeblah> alterego: Why no web browser window?
Jan 02 00:38:37 <disq> yeah i imagine it would be
Jan 02 00:38:49 <dospod> apps running causes drain
Jan 02 00:38:55 <disq> it sometimes doesn't blank here too, but that's usually when i touch the screen immediately after locking it or so
Jan 02 00:39:47 <blahdeblah> OK - i'll try offline mode.  Last night i just locked the screen & keys and came back this morning and it was completely dead.
Jan 02 00:40:41 <SXN_KommandEr> i installed becomeroot, how do i use it?
Jan 02 00:41:02 <dospod> sudo gainroot in terminal
Jan 02 00:41:12 <|tbb|> rm_you: doesnt work
Jan 02 00:41:22 <SXN_KommandEr> thank you dospod, it worked nicely
Jan 02 00:41:35 <dospod> ur welcome
Jan 02 00:42:00 <dospod> its one of the few things i know how to do
Jan 02 00:42:04 <|tbb|> always when i try to open a site and im not connected through the applet, it trys to connect  or ask where it should connect
Jan 02 00:42:38 <SXN_KommandEr> dospod :)
Jan 02 00:42:52 <rm_you> |tbb|: oh. yeah. it does that :( dunno
Jan 02 00:43:03 <SXN_KommandEr> when i do install ssh with 'apt-get install ssh' will it start the sshd server automatically so i can logon from my desktop?
Jan 02 00:44:15 <SXN_KommandEr> ah ok it says it started the OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd
Jan 02 00:44:59 <|tbb|> i would like to have a script which automaticly connect the device through an ap, via gps data, so if im in the range of an ap it should connect to this, 5 metres belong it should connect to another ap .....
Jan 02 00:45:16 <dospod> the n800 is a cool device :]
Jan 02 00:45:36 <|tbb|> but i not figured it out how i can stop microb from searching for  an ap
Jan 02 00:45:56 <dospod> tbb that would be hard to script
Jan 02 00:46:37 <|tbb|> i dont think thats to hard
Jan 02 00:47:03 <SXN_KommandEr> wow sshd started, i logged in, and changed to user 'user' wow wow wow on a 770
Jan 02 00:48:07 <dospod> tbb have fun ;)
Jan 02 00:49:04 <rm_you> |tbb|: well, it already connects to any AP you saved if you get close >_> so just having an AP map would be enough, i would think
Jan 02 00:49:30 <SXN_KommandEr> ok so when i login via ssh i start an app that makes a toplevel X window, i guess its not 'hildonized' so it doesnt show up in the left pane of active apps, is there a way around this?
Jan 02 00:50:34 <|tbb|> i often got the problem the device connect trough an ap which is saved in the preferences. but this ap stays on another town has the same essid
Jan 02 00:50:38 <|tbb|> this sucks
Jan 02 00:51:33 <|tbb|> if i figured out how to stop microb searching for a connection while im allready on another connection that would be enough
Jan 02 00:52:03 <|tbb|> then i will trying to script what i have posted before
Jan 02 01:07:47 <rm_you> |tbb|: http://cs.trinity.edu/~aharwell/mplayer_1.0rc1-maemo.24.n8x0_armel_bufftime.deb
Jan 02 01:08:36 <rm_you> patched mplayer package, seems to increase the alsa buffer significantly, and as a result reduce some of the a2dp playback issues
Jan 02 01:09:02 <rm_you> still uses almost 90% CPU, so you can't do anything ELSE... but it doesn't seem to cut out in the middle of songs
Jan 02 01:13:10 <rm_you> playing mp3s on a2dp very nicely, actually
Jan 02 01:13:12 <rm_you> sweet.
Jan 02 01:28:51 <|tbb|> wasnt able to install it, ive tried it the it says not enough space (confuse) ive uninstalled the mplayer package then completly and tried to install your packet then dependencie problems. installing the official mplayer package then it worked
Jan 02 01:29:03 <rm_you> hrm
Jan 02 01:29:11 <rm_you> all i had to do was apt-get remove mplayer (official)
Jan 02 01:29:24 <rm_you> and then dpkg -i my mplayer
Jan 02 01:29:41 <rm_you> you have an n800 or n810?
Jan 02 01:29:46 <|tbb|> tried that also,
Jan 02 01:29:49 <rm_you> though i don't think it matters for 2008
Jan 02 01:29:49 <|tbb|> n810
Jan 02 01:29:59 <rm_you> mine is an n800... that's all i can think of?
Jan 02 01:30:05 <rm_you> but i compiled it for n8x0
Jan 02 01:30:09 <rm_you> >_>
Jan 02 01:30:14 <rm_you> weird
Jan 02 01:30:43 <|tbb|> got my headphones not here anyway
Jan 02 01:30:49 <rm_you> ah :(
Jan 02 01:31:04 <rm_you> i am curious if anyone else will have the same problem...
Jan 02 01:31:13 <rm_you> cause it doesnt really make sense
Jan 02 01:31:18 <rm_you> what dependency problem?
Jan 02 01:33:00 <Crooper> Is there a classic Mac emulation for itos2008
Jan 02 01:34:36 <|tbb|> libmad0 >= 0.15.1b is not installe libogg0 is not installed libtheora is not installed
Jan 02 01:36:07 <rm_you> ah
Jan 02 01:36:17 <rm_you> can you not apt-get install those>
Jan 02 01:36:18 <rm_you> ?
Jan 02 01:36:27 <rm_you> i do have those on my system...
Jan 02 01:37:17 <|tbb|> next time gotta go to bed now
Jan 02 01:37:21 <rm_you> kk
Jan 02 01:37:23 <rm_you> night
Jan 02 01:37:28 <|tbb|> n8
Jan 02 01:37:36 <astro76> Crooper, not that I know of
Jan 02 01:38:21 <Crooper> Okay astro76 thanks
Jan 02 02:22:05 <blahdeblah> Newbie question: what are my options for PIM/PDA-style functionality?  I've heard of gpe, but couldn't find it anywhere on maemo.org (at least not for OS2008), and i don't really want to give Google all my data.  :-)
Jan 02 02:24:25 <blahdeblah> And another newbie question: after using my bluetooth keyboard, i no longer get the character recognition block down the bottom when i click in a text field.  All i get is a grey bar with 'abc' on the bottom right.  How do i get back the handwriting recognition?
Jan 02 02:44:19 <Dregz> blahdeblah, http://www.cobb.uk.net/NokiaIT/index.html
Jan 02 02:45:49 <rm_you> Anyone here able to help test a2dp audio stuff?
Jan 02 02:48:38 <valdis3> blahdeblah, you can also get the gpe set of PIM applications at http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php
Jan 02 02:53:31 <smadd> hi
Jan 02 02:54:36 <blast007> anyone know if there is a build of synergy for OS2008?
Jan 02 02:59:13 <unique311> no os2008 synergy yet.
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