**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 05 02:59:57 2008 Jan 05 03:05:24 * lcuk sneezes Jan 05 03:08:51 hello world (from 810) Jan 05 03:09:18 haha lcuk2: pidgin? Jan 05 03:09:33 nahh still ircatwork Jan 05 03:10:02 i got xchat beta as well but i wanted to start with what i kinda know Jan 05 03:10:04 xchat is on Chinook Jan 05 03:10:53 oooh i finally fell out Jan 05 03:11:12 strange how i closed the window about a month ago Jan 05 03:11:25 /msg nickserv ghost Jan 05 03:11:29 i just saw your post about it generalaantilles. thanks, it works great :) Jan 05 03:12:16 sometimes being a ghosty is good Jan 05 03:12:40 * lcuk2 scares ppl Jan 05 03:12:45 * scibot splurges on yet another deceptively simple book on cartooning. Jan 05 03:12:53 If anybody is hurting from the stupid brightness levels in OS2008, check out fanoush's kernel Jan 05 03:12:55 works great Jan 05 03:13:20 Just need to talk somebody into writing us a custom statusbar applet. Jan 05 03:13:53 ant is he the guy that let rip about it actually dimming more AFTER setting it to min then waiting Jan 05 03:14:24 Well, sorta Jan 05 03:14:33 fanoush is Mr. Superbadass kernel hacker Jan 05 03:14:56 wicked Jan 05 03:14:57 But, yes, there are about 30 more lower brightness steps down from the lowest GUI setting in OS2008 Jan 05 03:15:02 0-127 Jan 05 03:15:26 level 1-4 are perfect for reading in the dark Jan 05 03:15:46 * lcuk2 reads in the dark Jan 05 03:15:50 Only problem is that you have to use a script to change it Jan 05 03:15:55 Which isn't TOO bad Jan 05 03:16:04 do you use white on black Jan 05 03:16:14 as you can just run xterm and do "blset 1" to change it before you read Jan 05 03:16:15 Yes Jan 05 03:16:35 lcuk2, If you ever do get around to porting a paint app, after pygame of course, please map hardware shortcuts to the colour wheel, eyedropper and brush size. Jan 05 03:16:41 http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/ Jan 05 03:16:49 on my old pda it looked wrong so i kept with whitebackground Jan 05 03:16:58 Kernel: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/kernel-2.2007.50-2-custom.tar.gz Jan 05 03:17:09 Script: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/blset Jan 05 03:17:49 I'm a dead man if I can't pick a colour of the canvas in a button press. Jan 05 03:17:50 White on black with the standard Sans font looks fantastic on the NIT screens. Jan 05 03:17:52 off* Jan 05 03:17:57 sci - sounds like how it should be done i had the f keys on my touch screen lappy setup similar Jan 05 03:19:24 Any paint app will go from bearable to beautiful if you just make the features convenient. Jan 05 03:19:36 i like havin an oil paint palette Jan 05 03:20:19 its rare i pick up identical color - to me it adds to the image Jan 05 03:21:05 What I'll do is pick up a colour already on the canvas and tweak it. Jan 05 03:21:35 Swipe over the area with another colour on low opacity, eye drop the result and then tweak it, is my usual approach Jan 05 03:21:42 Works well over underpaintings. Jan 05 03:23:00 if im workin with limited color i use the dropper but i usually just guess Jan 05 03:23:49 I just like to build on what's already on the canvas. Jan 05 03:25:41 im gonna enjoy workun on this nokia Jan 05 03:26:05 or not as the typos would have me believe Jan 05 03:26:11 I will as well once the whole pygame pixel doubling thing is sorted. Jan 05 03:27:33 i went away before readin up on the kernel and seeing what ties are in place for talkin to the 2420 Jan 05 03:28:09 i'd advocate a C painter instead of python Jan 05 03:28:16 and have scibot be the UI dictator Jan 05 03:28:26 when i got the latest src from maemo they are all datestamped april thats not right s it? Jan 05 03:28:50 what is your system date lcuk2 ? Jan 05 03:29:18 as long as the actions and tools are exposed we can all build a uui to fit Jan 05 03:29:38 damn my typing wil get better on this 810 soon Jan 05 03:29:50 jan 0i Jan 05 03:29:59 08 Jan 05 03:30:41 How is the keyboard? Jan 05 03:30:50 files are all 26/4/07 Jan 05 03:30:54 small... Jan 05 03:31:03 I'm using a N800, which sucks to type on, (at least with 2008 which has been a little dodgy on the thumbboard) Jan 05 03:31:13 fat fingers trying to touchtype Jan 05 03:31:24 Heh, not using your thumbs? Jan 05 03:31:45 theres no tab key - python dev onboard is ruined as a dreamfor now Jan 05 03:31:53 thumbs too s-ow Jan 05 03:32:08 No tab key? xmodmap, or xkbd Jan 05 03:32:14 gonna get a bt kb Jan 05 03:32:41 not yet that i could see - best tab is the centre of the d pad Jan 05 03:32:41 Same, going back'n'forth between the pc and the tablet doesn't sound too appetising. Jan 05 03:33:02 but thats enter Jan 05 03:33:07 Probably going to end up with the Apple Wireless keyboard. Jan 05 03:33:29 i installed vnc and typed with my big one for a whi-e but its buggy Jan 05 03:33:34 It's the cheapest and most solid one I can get my hands on around here. Jan 05 03:33:46 apple=bt? Jan 05 03:34:00 Yep, at least the latest one is, HID compatible. Jan 05 03:34:07 nice Jan 05 03:34:24 All the stores are stocking it, which is why I'll get it. Jan 05 03:38:05 "APPLE Wireless Keyboard V2" "It connects using Bluetooth wireless" Jan 05 03:38:45 50quid tho Jan 05 03:39:14 * lcuk2 will try to shove a cheapy one into the usb Jan 05 03:41:25 I would too if I had any clue where to get the cable. Jan 05 03:42:11 is OS2008 suppose to be able to use a HID compatable BT kb as is w/o the drivers? Jan 05 03:42:43 Yep. Jan 05 03:43:06 Hmmm Jan 05 03:43:09 But the one keyboard I tried wasn't HID, it didn't identify as a keyboard at all. Jan 05 03:43:19 was OS2007 suppose to be able to do that too? Jan 05 03:43:35 Probably. Jan 05 03:43:52 oh then my keyboard has a broken HID implementation then :/ Jan 05 03:43:54 You just need to go to the options and tell it that you're trying to use a non-nokia bt keyboard and pair the two. Jan 05 03:44:38 couldn't get it to work, wind up flipping to switch and using it in SPP mode with a usermode driver Jan 05 03:45:32 i know we can get wiimote interface i could use semaphore to code in Jan 05 03:46:06 Hook it up to FCEU etc? Jan 05 03:46:23 the keyboard came with specific drivers for everything so I suspect the HID mode is a crock Jan 05 03:47:16 ds3, At least mine paired once I gave it the specific passcode the manual said. Jan 05 03:47:28 But considering it didn't pick up as a keyboard it was quite useless. Jan 05 03:47:31 scibot: it pairs, but doesn't work Jan 05 03:47:50 I have the KB300 freedom keyboard and other people have reported similar problems Jan 05 03:48:20 but the size makes it very nice with the N800 Jan 05 03:50:25 hey Jan 05 03:52:25 im gonna try and rig up a kb over the weekend i think Jan 05 03:52:41 Does anyone have the cifs modules for os2008? The link on http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/modules-rx-34-2.6.21.0.tar.gz doesn;t have the file anymore and I can't find them anywher else. Jan 05 03:54:05 isnt that avail from maemo.org Jan 05 03:54:48 The wiki only has links for 2006-07 Jan 05 03:55:07 anyone gotten the ogg g-streamer plugins to work? I have them installed but the stock audio player still can't play ogg even though it ids the file with a music note icon Jan 05 03:57:48 damn neeed copy paste from desktop to nit Jan 05 04:00:41 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/source/r/rx-34-kernel/ Jan 05 04:01:32 Awesome. Jan 05 04:03:10 my mistake Jan 05 04:03:14 http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/source/k/kernel-source-rx-34/ Jan 05 04:03:46 I just needed to know where the repository was :) You rule. Jan 05 04:04:44 not really its my first dayhere Jan 05 04:05:49 I love being able to know debian and have it in my hand. Jan 05 04:08:25 ive always been afraid to jump Jan 05 04:09:00 now i have linux fulltime i am starting to understand Jan 05 04:09:10 that doens't have the cifs one in it. Jan 05 04:09:13 Just nfs and ext3 Jan 05 04:09:32 I guess I'm gonna have to roll nfs. :( Jan 05 04:09:49 ohh dunno then tthats the official one Jan 05 04:10:45 I wish he would have just left that file where the forum links to. Everything I need has nice step by step, except necessary files are missing. Jan 05 04:11:42 Anyone hear when the upnp support will be ready for canola2? Jan 05 04:12:40 * pupnik refreshes nokia.de Jan 05 04:13:04 lcuk2: it's really fun to be able to tweak and port stuff on linux / tablets Jan 05 04:13:13 pup waitin for 810? Jan 05 04:13:31 yeah Jan 05 04:13:45 ive had a whole 2 weeks off just lookin at this device Jan 05 04:13:48 not like there's a lack of things to do for 770 Jan 05 04:13:51 hehe Jan 05 04:14:00 Just got my 800 yesterday. Jan 05 04:14:04 I think I have to marry it. :) Jan 05 04:14:06 grats! Jan 05 04:14:07 :) Jan 05 04:14:27 pup on hthe day my bonus came with wages nokia upped it here in uk Jan 05 04:14:37 they are the awesomest computery things that fit in a pocket. Jan 05 04:14:47 i was in heaven Jan 05 04:15:10 I've been a debian guy for about 3 years now, and all the back end hacking is so great on this thing. Jan 05 04:16:20 if i were getting another i would get an 800 Jan 05 04:16:31 personally it took me about a full year to get used to having something so cool Jan 05 04:17:22 this is nice for on the go but i miss more buttons outside its like an iphone when kb closed Jan 05 04:17:22 Hello, I'm now having a bit of a problem with OS2008 and my n800, it will not boot up all the way, instend I get the blue LED flashing on the keypad then a reboot. Is there a way to fix this/get some more useful information to debug and figure out what caused this problem? (Maybe JTAG or serial out, or just print out to the screen?) Jan 05 04:17:48 You tried a fresh flash? Jan 05 04:17:55 i'd love a few little unobtrusive buttons on the right hand side Jan 05 04:18:00 Trying to avoid that Jan 05 04:18:00 try taking out the battery for a second Jan 05 04:18:21 hmm Jan 05 04:18:27 Well, that fixes it rebooting after each attempt to boot up Jan 05 04:18:54 I was just pairing my bt keyboard, and the LED went on, then it rebooted, now it does it all the time. Jan 05 04:19:38 I mean, I /could/ reflash it, but I have many apps that I've installed and dug up. Jan 05 04:19:41 turn off kb rem battery Jan 05 04:20:01 Huh? Jan 05 04:20:05 it miight get past if the bt is not detect Jan 05 04:20:39 So, turn off what now? Jan 05 04:20:59 the bt keyboard dont let nokia see it Jan 05 04:21:27 worth a try for free Jan 05 04:21:34 I see, lets try it Jan 05 04:21:46 (I don't think it will fix it, but I shall try it) Jan 05 04:22:12 Btw, R&D mode was NOT enabled this time Jan 05 04:22:45 lcuk2: No luck with that solution Jan 05 04:23:02 It is doing its reboot 'cycle' over and over again. Jan 05 04:23:26 * kuzew takes battery out Jan 05 04:23:29 boo Jan 05 04:24:14 * lcuk2 goes to sleep Jan 05 04:24:44 e Jan 05 04:24:45 I wish nokia would give you some better errors than just flaging the LED, if this is a kernel panic that is Jan 05 04:24:54 gad Jan 05 04:26:48 Could one do away with the bootsplash and get the stdout from the kernel, so one could see what it is doing? Jan 05 04:27:46 Not without getting into the device first. Jan 05 04:28:38 Well, I would assume so Jan 05 04:41:54 blah, letstalk.com says that the estimated time for n810 to be back in stock is Feb 19... i will need to be a little bit (more) patient ha... Jan 05 04:47:08 Anyone have smb/cifs or nfs mounts working on os2008? Jan 05 04:48:28 i can browse samba shares with the filemanager, thats all ive done Jan 05 04:48:50 and upnp media shares Jan 05 04:49:47 Well, I reflashed, now I just hope that meamo fixed there repos Jan 05 04:57:43 geh in case anyone else wants to do this. Jan 05 04:57:45 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/settingupnfs/ Jan 05 04:58:01 until ukmp or canola2 gets upnp Jan 05 04:58:24 I just can't stand media streamer for some reason :) Jan 05 05:11:09 Everyone sleeping? Jan 05 05:13:26 just wake up Jan 05 05:15:34 :P Jan 05 05:25:30 Jan 05 05:28:10 : Jan 05 05:30:50 Just testing pidgin on a new 810. This thing is amazing. Jan 05 05:32:19 :) Jan 05 05:39:51 help Jan 05 05:39:53 oops Jan 05 05:40:09 uh Jan 05 05:40:14 are you drowning? Jan 05 05:40:19 Help? Jan 05 05:40:44 * wag3slav3 throws Thai a line. Jan 05 05:40:48 don't die. Jan 05 05:43:26 :D Jan 05 05:44:36 8-) Jan 05 05:46:12 |-) Jan 05 05:48:23 N800 rocks Jan 05 05:48:35 I just got one my own self. Jan 05 05:48:48 It beats the crap out of my toshiba e800 Jan 05 05:49:02 (ms pocket pc 2003) Jan 05 05:49:41 Ya its cool i have hp ipaq ms2003 and i haave a mda Jan 05 05:50:06 Still getting that keyboard down huh? Jan 05 05:50:31 This blows em away lol Jan 05 05:52:47 Yep, my pocket pcs are now expensive ebook readers. Jan 05 05:52:47 :) Jan 05 05:53:19 blew away my Psions too Jan 05 05:53:43 i still like the netbook Jan 05 05:53:44 I still use it . Psion! Jan 05 05:54:00 i know, i wish psion were still in biz Jan 05 05:54:03 I'm working on syncing up the calendar/contacts with gmail and I'll be all golden. Jan 05 05:54:34 but tablets are cooler cuz linux Jan 05 05:54:39 I got a hp 64 turionn just put fedora8 along with my windows Jan 05 05:54:50 Turion Jan 05 05:54:54 Cheerios would be cooler with some linux :) Jan 05 05:55:14 "My cheerios run linux." Jan 05 05:55:19 :D Jan 05 05:55:32 * wag3slav3 eats linux cereal. Jan 05 05:55:38 Im a newbie with linux but i learn quick Jan 05 05:56:28 It will be fun, i like the fact that i have 64os for free! Jan 05 05:56:35 the hardware in my e800 is awsome, but it's been abandoned by everyone. 2003 os running on hardware that can play 800x600 divx, but no one writes software for it anymore. maemo won't have that problem. Jan 05 05:56:54 i want to play baldur's gate and planescape torment on the tablets Jan 05 05:57:02 and... i.... willllllllll Jan 05 05:57:03 hmmm Jan 05 05:57:19 Might take more than a n810 tho Jan 05 05:57:32 Ya i played tons divx on all my toys Jan 05 05:58:12 Well, it's been swell. Jan 05 05:58:17 The swellings gone down tho. Jan 05 05:58:45 Im streaming audio now while chat on my n800 Jan 05 05:59:57 PcMikeFl: using what streamer? Jan 05 06:00:28 i never found a convenient way to install a big list of radio stations onto the default player Jan 05 06:00:33 Yeah this thing can really multitask well for such a small device. Jan 05 06:00:55 Mediabox Jan 05 06:02:03 anybody with a 770 around? Jan 05 06:02:29 i made a one-click install file that needs a test Jan 05 06:02:51 http://pupnik.de/xkbd.html Jan 05 06:02:55 Ya its not that simple yet but media box found my existing links on my memory card Jan 05 06:03:09 ok so those are .pls files PcMikeFl ? Jan 05 06:03:39 No actually mms Jan 05 06:03:56 Live radio links Jan 05 06:05:30 Yes i have .pls but mplayer handles those Jan 05 06:08:14 Gotta go. Take care. Jan 05 06:08:28 ;) Jan 05 06:52:49 c'est life. Jan 05 08:16:32 ds3: FM shows the icons for oggs, but cannot open them (unless you explicitly select media player). MP cannot open the files, if you try opening them through the menu. But the oggs will show up in the Library in MP and the oggs will play from there Jan 05 09:12:29 hi guys which one is the ram chip here. http://www.ee.nmt.edu/~james.smith/n800_no_shields_1200_dpi.jpg and can it be upgraded? Jan 05 09:12:59 that is an n800 btw Jan 05 09:16:40 never mind found it. Jan 05 09:16:52 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4589&page=3 Jan 05 09:26:09 for gngeo, am I supposed to leave the games zipped? Jan 05 09:42:05 jga23, haven't tried it yet but that is pretty standard with emulators Jan 05 09:52:28 for GUI applications in python on Maemo, do we use pygtk or any other? Jan 05 09:54:59 yeah, pygtk Jan 05 09:55:10 or pygame Jan 05 09:57:56 jga23, thanks Jan 05 10:26:14 how can i change file associations? I'm on a nokia n800 2008 os. Jan 05 10:26:19 :-) Jan 05 10:28:43 where i get gnokii + depencies for os2008? Jan 05 10:32:36 doesn't anybody know how to change file associations? Jan 05 10:38:57 Aloha! Jan 05 11:04:01 morning Jan 05 11:05:42 Morning, all Jan 05 11:06:52 darx: by setting mime types Jan 05 11:07:02 or adding Jan 05 11:07:17 kulve: where can I do that? Jan 05 11:07:38 on a desktop, there are about all known mime types listed, but on it2008 there are only the ones supported somehow by the system Jan 05 11:07:44 rm_you: ping Jan 05 11:08:15 darx: you can check ogg project from garage (check the SVN tree) Jan 05 11:09:13 why ogg? i don't see the connection between ogg and mime types Jan 05 11:09:34 kulve: i'm a noob mind you :-P Jan 05 11:09:52 because ogg support adds the ogg mime types and you can check it for an example Jan 05 11:12:07 darx: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/usr/share/mime/packages/ogg-support.xml?root=ogg&view=markup Jan 05 11:12:43 there's the xml file for ogg mime types (copied mostly from my desktop computer's /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml file) Jan 05 11:13:25 and to update the mime type caches you must run "update-mime-database /usr/share/mime" Jan 05 11:14:30 <[pablo]> is there any way to rerun the phone wizard that runs when you first install the os? Jan 05 11:14:43 [pablo]: yes, from the connection manager Jan 05 11:15:10 <[pablo]> i was looking in there and could only find the manual connection Jan 05 11:16:33 conn. mgr. -> menu -> Tools -> Mobile operator setup wized... Jan 05 11:18:03 <[pablo]> thanks Jan 05 11:21:54 somebody knows about issues with a Fonera ? Jan 05 11:22:14 with 770/N8*0 ? Jan 05 11:22:53 I've got somes disconnect problems when I'm connected to MyPlace SSID (WPA2) Jan 05 11:23:11 I'm forced to use public SSID to use my tablet Jan 05 11:48:04 hey - happy new year everybody :-) - got the dicount-code-activation-mail yesterday but the codes appears to be invalid .. anybody with different experience here? Jan 05 11:48:20 mine worked Jan 05 11:48:33 *hmpf* Jan 05 11:48:46 ptman: which store did you use to order? Jan 05 11:49:17 Mine also doesn't work Jan 05 11:49:59 hey Till! Jan 05 11:50:17 jonek: finland Jan 05 11:50:34 maybe you just need to wait some days Jan 05 11:51:03 My code fails in the german shop Jan 05 11:51:18 harbaum: mine too Jan 05 11:52:24 according to the dev list there are other germans too with problems Jan 05 11:55:34 jonek: I didn't notice that I got a new code in my email, using that one worked in the UK store. Jan 05 11:56:03 The latest email says: "Remember your code is: XXXXXXXXXX." when it wasn't what I should remember, it was a different code to the earlier email which included it. Jan 05 11:57:29 Neither the old nor the new code work Jan 05 11:57:42 Jaffa: I've seen that footnote and tried both codes without success. I got two different codes, too. Jan 05 12:05:44 anyone try out this kgbarchiver. Jan 05 12:06:14 300MB to about 1.5MB compress with the the archiver Jan 05 12:06:38 300MB of what? Jan 05 12:06:56 10101010101010 :-) Jan 05 12:07:43 data Jan 05 12:07:46 kgbarchiver ? does that forward everything to Putin ? Jan 05 12:07:50 can it also decompress it again ? :) Jan 05 12:07:54 yes Jan 05 12:08:07 linux version also. Jan 05 12:08:13 I was afraid of that sxpert Jan 05 12:08:22 unique311: it can't be random data, cos information theory has limits on that. It must be a particular type of data, such as text which is highly compressible Jan 05 12:08:33 I trust it as much as ciaarchiver Jan 05 12:08:42 wumpus, heh Jan 05 12:08:48 well i don't want to discuss what im about to decomppress Jan 05 12:08:59 its an application Jan 05 12:09:14 so i doubt it only does text. Jan 05 12:09:21 the application is about 355MB Jan 05 12:09:30 and compressed its 1.5MB Jan 05 12:09:52 http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=162546 Jan 05 12:10:08 unique311, if it's C source code, no wonder :-) Jan 05 12:10:22 http://www.wherigo.com would be a cool app for the InternetTablets Jan 05 12:13:58 unique311: on the kgbarchiver page they test only with text, but the results look impressive nontheless Jan 05 12:14:49 the app i'm uncompressing is 439MB. Jan 05 12:14:58 just hope it works still Jan 05 12:15:59 10 minutes to uncompress Jan 05 12:18:41 wondering if compression takes long. Jan 05 12:21:50 awwww...ok this is the downside of this kgbarchiver. Jan 05 12:21:51 lol Jan 05 12:22:00 i misread time remaining.. Jan 05 12:22:12 8 minutes is looking more like 8 hours Jan 05 12:22:21 hahahah Jan 05 12:22:53 that is unsat. Jan 05 12:23:16 hehe Jan 05 12:23:18 kbarchiever? Jan 05 12:23:24 ah Jan 05 12:23:39 lol Jan 05 12:24:03 so sad Jan 05 12:24:29 8 freaking hours. Jan 05 12:26:56 i gues for a 10MB app that would be good, compress it to about nothing, and take 2 hours or so to uncompress the damn thing. Jan 05 12:29:10 Cptnodegard, KGB Archiver Jan 05 12:29:50 sounds illegal Jan 05 12:30:20 Sounds soviet Jan 05 12:30:37 well right now it sucks Jan 05 12:31:02 i think you need some sort of super computer for this thing to uncompress at good speeds Jan 05 12:31:29 the minimum requirements was up there on the site Jan 05 12:32:17 recommend processor with 1,5GHz clock and 256MB of RAM Jan 05 12:36:33 yeah, it's not like you are compressing gigabytes of data Jan 05 12:36:40 what processor do you have? Jan 05 12:37:41 notebook intel pentium M 1.73GHz Jan 05 12:37:47 2GB ram Jan 05 12:38:35 ok not exactly ancient either Jan 05 12:38:40 faster cpu the faster the uncompression. Jan 05 12:39:04 right now, that pentium M is ancient. Jan 05 12:39:30 still, with 7zip or bzip2 it'd probably be a lot faster Jan 05 12:39:38 isn't everything dual core now. Jan 05 12:39:50 or is that a thing of the past now. Jan 05 12:39:54 well that would give you a two times speedup at most Jan 05 12:39:54 . o O ( dual core n810 ) Jan 05 12:40:34 ARM dual core Jan 05 12:40:36 so they did sacrifice (de)compression speed for better compression ratio, which makes it useful for some niche applications but certainly not as general archive format :) Jan 05 12:41:36 * lcuk wakes up and looks bleary Jan 05 12:41:38 http://www.faqs.org/faqs/compression-faq/part1/ has some good bits in the "General questions" bit about compressing arbitrary random data at > 50% ratio Jan 05 12:42:15 Maybe they just upload it all to the KGB servers in .ru, and the small file size is just an index or tracker. Decompression is dependent then on bandwidth available ;-) Jan 05 12:42:55 hehe, that explains the slowness :) Jan 05 12:42:57 the paq archivers are real (though obviously useless) Jan 05 12:43:59 Cord, 2 ARMs are better than one gave some good results Jan 05 12:44:14 well, useless is not the word, but indeed small text files is not really the important thing to compress these days Jan 05 12:44:25 and with that speed I wouldn't think about using it for video compression Jan 05 12:44:48 at that speed, you wouldn't consider about using it for anything. thus, useless. Jan 05 12:45:26 it might be useful for places where storage is really at a premium, then again, it needs so much memory Jan 05 12:46:28 Jaffa, maybe. Jan 05 12:47:07 with that said, i hits the cancel button. Jan 05 12:47:27 7 hours left also play a part in clicking that cancel button Jan 05 12:51:35 does anyone know whst the biggest battery pack/extender i can use is? are these aa rechagers useful? Jan 05 12:52:32 * lcuk would carry a car battery if required Jan 05 12:53:06 well, if you want to carry a car batter, that would no doubt beat all aa rechargers. Jan 05 12:53:50 lol i would do it but what sort of life can you get with aa i am not superstrong lol Jan 05 12:54:56 im just wondering cos i flattened his last night and i dont like being tethered for ages Jan 05 12:55:48 are thnere higher capacity bats that can still rfecharge Jan 05 12:56:32 unique - you asked if i am using humbs lastnigght i am now and its more tiring Jan 05 12:56:42 thumbs Jan 05 13:01:42 i just realised if i get some sort of pack on the backfor batt thats ok, but if i try same with usb so i can have a std usb socket underneath i lose use of the stand Jan 05 13:02:05 (on 810 usb is under stand) Jan 05 13:04:52 luck, you can't charge through the usb port anyway, unless this has changed with the n810 Jan 05 13:05:11 you need usb to nokia charge plug adapter Jan 05 13:05:54 no i know i cant charge but sincd its usb otg i would prefer a std usb socket so i can plug std keyboafd in Jan 05 13:07:16 a battery extender would work nicely in tthe mini nokia charge socket Jan 05 13:10:19 you're trying to build something that attches to the back of the n810 ? Jan 05 13:12:00 just thinking out loud at the mo i am stuck here until i charge up - the batt pack would work - but if i was doin it i would want to also fix he micro usb thing at same time Jan 05 13:12:38 * lcuk would be downstairs now but for the tether Jan 05 13:13:12 maybe i can get a 30 metre nokia charrger Jan 05 13:14:10 four 2500mAh NiMH batteries would have bit over twice the capacity of BP-5L and voltage close enough that the charger socket could probably use them as input (4.8V) without any conversion Jan 05 13:17:12 ive seen the extenders and they say things like 3-5 charges - but if i leftg them to trickle whilsgt using i wonder just how long it would last Jan 05 13:18:06 * lcuk will pick one up nextg time he sees one Jan 05 13:18:55 bluetooth uses less power tghen wifi doesnt it Jan 05 13:20:45 * lcuk goes readin up on bt networkin Jan 05 13:26:39 yep Jan 05 13:27:21 bt will use less power, but then your cell battery will die far quicker (if you do a lot of data transfer, that is) Jan 05 13:28:05 provided you don't have the chargers or spare battery for both devices, losing the ability to call/receive calls is worse Jan 05 13:28:18 http://www.ilovewavs.com/comedy/PrankPhone/Prank%20Phone%20Calls%20-%20C%20Escort%20Service%20-%20Arnold%20Schwarzenegger%20Impersonator.wav funnies for the morning..enjoy.. Jan 05 13:30:04 isq - i dont use phone with it i use wifi dongle on desktop at home and if i can get net access through bt dongle insteadc that will save power surely? Jan 05 13:30:21 ah, yeah it will Jan 05 13:30:46 but how about range? don't you go to the bathroom with your n800? i know i do :P Jan 05 13:31:12 i got one charger jack on my desk and one on my nightstand. works very well Jan 05 13:31:58 range isnt a prob i think i can see the bt host from anywhere i have gtried and my old pda could do vnc from the bath wiith bt Jan 05 13:32:13 god myh fat thumbs Jan 05 13:32:34 * lcuk apologises Jan 05 13:32:49 :) Jan 05 13:34:10 but are you saying if i configure it to use pan then i cannot use bt phone connection? or is that just a limit for the sametime Jan 05 13:35:21 math, n800 style: http://captain-odegard.com/n800/math.jpg xD Jan 05 13:35:42 not sure about the pan bit. doesn't it require some commandline editing? if it does, then you can use bt phone connection anyways (after shutting down pan?) Jan 05 13:36:33 yer reading on itf a minute ago there is a big shell script to do it Jan 05 13:37:10 they were talking about linkin with a dummy profile so it will work with apps Jan 05 13:37:25 yeah, dummy profile is the way to go with external connections Jan 05 13:37:30 that's used for usb connectivity etc as well Jan 05 13:37:46 if its with a profile then it should just be selectable Jan 05 13:38:01 (it was also for the bt) Jan 05 13:41:07 tweenies is killin me i suppose i bettter getg on with real life Jan 05 13:43:14 b4 i go - who has orange box for pc - how did you find portal? Jan 05 13:43:45 Hi, i just wanted to browse my n800 via bluetooth. i found http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ApplicationCatalog#d2176fba0b298bd49a09680b893f0022 obex server. But how do i start/install sdp server? can't find it Jan 05 13:43:52 lcuk, is that game any good? Jan 05 13:44:12 only game i have installed for the pc is cod4 Jan 05 13:44:21 amazing 1000000% recommend it Jan 05 13:44:24 and i hardly play it. Jan 05 13:44:33 might check it out. Jan 05 13:44:39 portal is mind gym Jan 05 13:44:50 its rreplayable and fun Jan 05 13:45:14 even my 5yr old likes it Jan 05 13:45:38 and i ddont mind cos its tamer than hl or other games Jan 05 13:46:16 (only mentioned it cos he just put it on) Jan 05 13:46:45 Played portal for the first time last night :P Jan 05 13:47:23 how far through are you? and are you thinking with portals yet Jan 05 13:47:33 I completed it. Jan 05 13:47:52 I liked the bit at the end with the cake :P Jan 05 13:48:05 * lcuk sees things in rl which need portals Jan 05 13:48:43 only thing i havent done yhet is camerashy Jan 05 13:48:53 i keeep missin a couple Jan 05 13:49:57 portal jumpin is like ut low gravity or stuntcarracer jumping but with finess Jan 05 13:50:43 cant wait now for ep3 and hopefully a mashup with hl Jan 05 13:50:50 what should i put in '/system/osso/connectivity/BT/preferred' ? Jan 05 13:51:23 phone's bt address? Jan 05 13:52:53 cyas all Jan 05 14:02:40 why xml files? /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/BT/\%gconf.xml Jan 05 14:17:15 XML ftw Jan 05 14:20:31 * alterego just ordered his N810 :D Jan 05 14:25:52 hello Jan 05 14:26:15 is it possible and how to move the /home/user/MyDocs folder on the external mmc Jan 05 14:26:31 I must edit gconf settings? which? Jan 05 14:34:25 where is this phonelink configuration file? Jan 05 14:35:58 Anybody know the font file's name used by default on the browser? Jan 05 14:38:46 Is it possible to install ubuntu mobile on the n800? Jan 05 14:51:47 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2007-February/008480.html <-- is there an article in the maemo wiki about how to perform this? Jan 05 15:01:18 suit, that looks interesting but very inpractical specially for small form factor Jan 05 15:02:17 have you run vnc from you NIT to another machine yet? i wouldn't like to run all my apps in a single window Jan 05 15:03:33 lcuk I've done the second setup with debian armel Jan 05 15:03:43 I may write an article about it if it isn't already there Jan 05 15:03:50 this post is somewhat vague Jan 05 15:04:45 if somebody really needs something that's not ported debian armel has 9000 packages repo Jan 05 15:05:17 yes, some manual/howto would be fine Jan 05 15:07:31 things like e16 or fluxbox run pretty smoothly even on n770 Jan 05 15:07:54 I have 770 Jan 05 15:08:08 memory is the main problem, not app porting Jan 05 15:08:24 but works in low profile, console mode Jan 05 15:10:35 suit, is there a specific app you need or is this academic Jan 05 15:10:58 I'm playing around Jan 05 15:11:15 just like everyone else Jan 05 15:11:28 it's taking up some 600 mb on the memory card Jan 05 15:11:31 * lcuk pushes in the corners and see where works Jan 05 15:11:45 i'm not sure if i'll keep it Jan 05 15:12:10 600mb is a lot for a test Jan 05 15:12:23 even for encyclopedia Jan 05 15:13:09 * lcuk hibernates again Jan 05 15:13:21 winter sleep? Jan 05 15:13:23 i've always had this inherent need to run audacious on a pocket device Jan 05 15:13:35 my dreams came true Jan 05 15:14:26 You must be pretty young. audacious isn't that old. Jan 05 15:14:57 I've been sensing it before it came Jan 05 15:15:00 _^_ Jan 05 15:17:00 no really, it was about winamp at first Jan 05 15:19:53 so you don't know about any secret howto? because I haven't seen one Jan 05 15:20:28 switch-, about what? Jan 05 15:20:51 setting up debian armel in the chroot and connecting to it with vncviewer Jan 05 15:21:13 from 770/800? Jan 05 15:21:31 on Jan 05 15:21:48 hm, the device is multimedia oriented, as I see it Jan 05 15:22:25 iptables is installed, but no needed options in kernet to use conntrack Jan 05 15:22:32 *kernel Jan 05 15:22:49 so, any secutiry is in doubt Jan 05 15:23:36 security of what? Jan 05 15:23:44 teh device itself Jan 05 15:24:10 firewall must be stateful Jan 05 15:24:17 by default there are no ports open, so why would you need a firewall :) Jan 05 15:24:37 the ports are not open, when I use the device Jan 05 15:24:47 traffic must go out and in Jan 05 15:25:11 has anyone got mythtv working on their tablet - i am close but no cigar with some errors on playback but EPG working (slowly) Jan 05 15:31:54 bye Jan 05 15:40:54 Is’nt it possible to runn another window-manager than maemo? Jan 05 15:41:26 You can run KDE if you want. Jan 05 15:41:31 penguinbait handles that stuff. Jan 05 15:41:42 Cool Jan 05 15:42:25 Do you have ii link with description? Jan 05 15:42:44 No, because I don't like KDE :P Jan 05 15:43:01 and why would you have it on low mem device? Jan 05 15:43:37 I want to have the option Jan 05 15:43:43 :) Jan 05 15:43:58 What option? Jan 05 15:43:59 Maybe on sd-card Jan 05 15:44:04 What for? Jan 05 15:44:29 the screen could be small for that Jan 05 15:44:42 I think kde would look very cool on my device Jan 05 15:44:51 if you like it Jan 05 15:45:05 By diverting use away from maemo you effectively divert attention that would inevitably improve our platform. Jan 05 15:46:20 So if you don't like maemo. Buy something else is my advice :P Jan 05 15:46:35 ;) Jan 05 15:47:56 I mean the taskbaar on the side reduces the comfort in bbrowsing with the good screen Jan 05 15:48:10 That's what full screen mode is for. Jan 05 15:48:22 Browsing out of full screen mode is silly :P Jan 05 15:48:23 I think the same, but no help on this topic Jan 05 15:48:31 Yea... Jan 05 15:49:12 If they could hide that panel to the top of the screen. Jan 05 15:49:17 That would be neat. Jan 05 15:49:37 So you still get the status bar and app menu + close/minimize buttons. Jan 05 15:49:45 the whole design is based on what we have now Jan 05 15:50:43 Then again, the task navigator is useful. Jan 05 15:51:10 on laptop I sometimes use evilwm Jan 05 15:51:28 Yes it is, but why on the side Jan 05 15:51:35 so small and has just one command, to start up the shell Jan 05 15:51:39 It's the only place it fits. Jan 05 15:51:45 Think about the vkb. Jan 05 15:51:48 And the toolbar Jan 05 15:52:19 If the navigation bar was along the bottom. Then it'd seriously reduce the height estate for an application. Jan 05 15:52:54 I coudl live with side bar, but upper one is not necessary Jan 05 15:53:14 Would be good if the bar pops up from the ttop Jan 05 15:53:29 How? Jan 05 15:53:39 The device is supposed to be able to be used with thumbs. Jan 05 15:53:52 stypus? Jan 05 15:53:57 *stylus Jan 05 15:54:08 With one button Jan 05 15:55:20 Only the weeb button Jan 05 15:55:27 Web Jan 05 15:55:46 The stylus is great for clicking little things. But having to take it out and put it back constantly is a bit of a pain. Jan 05 15:56:00 Finger and thumb navigation is a great thing in my opinino, Jan 05 15:56:04 ~opinion. Jan 05 15:56:06 I use it as input method Jan 05 15:57:18 Yes, but it could be combined with popup menus Jan 05 15:57:53 By the way, Is it easy to write a new desktop sheme for os2008? Jan 05 15:58:41 I want ann lcars-sheme Jan 05 15:59:06 there is one for os 2006 Jan 05 15:59:19 yeah it should really have the tricorder theme by default :) Jan 05 16:00:04 Yes ;) Jan 05 16:00:26 Geeks :P Jan 05 16:01:32 Is there a tricorder theme!? Jan 05 16:01:39 and proud of it :) Jan 05 16:01:43 What the hell does a tricorder look like? Jan 05 16:01:53 You do realise they're fictional right? Jan 05 16:02:15 well it had the lcars there, which there used to be, I don't know if it still works on the newest version Jan 05 16:02:15 I have seen one for old os Jan 05 16:02:46 It should do, with a little tweaking maybe. But mostly the theming is pretty much the same across OS' Jan 05 16:02:52 Or at least backward compatible. Jan 05 16:03:05 I hope so Jan 05 16:04:01 yes, last time I checked they were still fictional Jan 05 16:04:35 though they looked a lot like the gadgets of nowadays :) Jan 05 16:04:47 http://synthesize.us/LCARS_PADD Jan 05 16:05:27 I want that ffor os2008 Jan 05 16:07:38 locutu2, pretty colorful Jan 05 16:07:59 It says installation not possible Jan 05 16:08:37 it says it works on 06/07 Jan 05 16:08:48 Damn Jan 05 16:09:12 you have 08? Jan 05 16:09:23 Yes. Can i downgrade to 07? Jan 05 16:09:38 no, you are damned to stay on 08 Jan 05 16:09:54 Ohhhh :( Jan 05 16:10:10 too much colors, for my taste Jan 05 16:10:43 and take a look at red note Jan 05 16:10:58 do NOT install on new os Jan 05 16:12:18 I tried it but i cant Jan 05 16:12:29 it says don't Jan 05 16:14:03 But i can restore the os if something fails, or not Jan 05 16:14:13 ah, you can Jan 05 16:14:30 it is a meter of reflashing Jan 05 16:14:36 *matter Jan 05 16:14:49 Ok Jan 05 16:14:58 all folks say 2008 is better Jan 05 16:17:37 I have updated my new device to os08, so i dont know the others Jan 05 16:18:08 800 has more memory than 770, so no big deal Jan 05 16:20:06 But i want lcars Jan 05 16:34:15 gmail on the os2008 mail app, not possible? Jan 05 16:35:31 cookies or what? Jan 05 16:35:57 cookies? o_+ Jan 05 16:36:17 I mean, do they ask to turn cookies on? Jan 05 16:36:33 um no... it just doesnt connect Jan 05 16:36:41 im not sure i configured it correctly Jan 05 16:37:00 port 995 Jan 05 16:37:16 you might want to play with modest beta Jan 05 16:38:04 nah if it doesnt work with the internal app (which i think it said on the forum) ill just use thhe online one, its not that important with mail Jan 05 16:38:22 try modest Jan 05 16:38:38 <|tbb|> ive found a command maemo-get-passwd for what is that good for Jan 05 16:39:41 that reminds me, I need to create mail infrastructure that'll give me a useful single low-traffic inbox somewhere Jan 05 16:39:47 * sp3000 scratches head Jan 05 16:40:47 gmailfs? Jan 05 16:40:52 |tbb|: run it? Jan 05 16:46:16 what i have to do to periodically start a 'job' on my n800 ? (i haven't see cron on maemo...) Jan 05 16:46:31 Cron.pm? Jan 05 16:47:11 * zoran gone to feed dragons Jan 05 16:48:36 hello Jan 05 16:51:25 I'm in KDE as we chat on my Tablet N800 - OS2008. Jan 05 16:57:56 <|tbb|> sp3000: it prompts me to anpasswort setting dialog Jan 05 16:58:52 |tbb|: right ...and what happens when you enter one twice? Jan 05 16:59:16 <|tbb|> ihavent done it Jan 05 16:59:37 <|tbb|> and wont if i dont know what it does Jan 05 17:02:38 fair enough Jan 05 17:02:53 looks like a tool to ask for a password from a script Jan 05 17:03:44 <|tbb|> its more a set up password script Jan 05 17:03:45 by the changelog that googling gives, the next version calls itself maemo-set-password and does something slightly different in addition as the name implies Jan 05 17:03:58 maemo-set-passwd even Jan 05 17:04:43 <|tbb|> im searching for that maemo-gtk-im-switch Jan 05 17:20:54 Cord: No change for you either, I assume? Jan 05 17:26:19 * lcuk thinks about eating some maemo py Jan 05 17:27:05 * lcuk would settle for cocoa but isn't on a mac Jan 05 17:31:48 . Jan 05 17:31:53 hi guys Jan 05 17:32:03 please help Jan 05 17:32:07 i have 1 question Jan 05 17:32:43 is anyone there? Jan 05 17:33:04 here's a hint: actually asking the question tends to be the first step to getting anyone to care about helping you. Jan 05 17:34:12 also, offering punch and pie to the person who answers gets a better response ;) Jan 05 17:35:33 ök Jan 05 17:35:39 well Jan 05 17:36:02 my problem is for n810 memory cards Jan 05 17:36:06 please explain Jan 05 17:36:11 Memory Jan 05 17:36:11 DDR RAM 128MB Jan 05 17:36:11 Flash 256MB Jan 05 17:36:17 these are internal memories? yes? Jan 05 17:36:50 yes Jan 05 17:37:00 how many memory card is available for n810? Jan 05 17:37:10 1 external slot Jan 05 17:37:21 i think the 256mb you mentioned isn't on its own tho Jan 05 17:37:31 there is 128mb actual normal memory Jan 05 17:37:40 then a 2gb internal flash memory card Jan 05 17:37:58 and a single slot on the front for a single individual one of a kind card Jan 05 17:38:04 please step by step Jan 05 17:38:12 first Jan 05 17:38:16 how many memory card is available for n810? Jan 05 17:38:24 1, one Jan 05 17:38:39 00000001 Jan 05 17:38:45 [12:38:01] and a single slot on the front for a single individual one of a kind card - Only minisdhc Jan 05 17:38:56 what? Jan 05 17:39:02 only one/? Jan 05 17:39:11 yes, only 1 Jan 05 17:39:22 Sho_: lets see. Jan 05 17:39:26 well it has an internal 2 gm memory card or HDD? Jan 05 17:39:37 Cord: *cues omnious music* ;) Jan 05 17:39:39 i know you ancient people with n800s have 2 slots, but i never seen one of those, i am used to devices with only 1 slot which my n810 has Jan 05 17:39:40 Hard Drive? Jan 05 17:40:01 no hard drive Jan 05 17:40:16 Sho_: nope. i think i'd have a sms now if codes started to work. Jan 05 17:40:31 so only 2 gb internal = flash memory card yes? Jan 05 17:40:39 yes Jan 05 17:40:41 Cord: Well, guess our next shot is Monday then Jan 05 17:40:47 Sho_: three collegues are waiting for it too. Jan 05 17:41:12 so please what are 256mb and 128mb? what are these? Jan 05 17:42:05 i only know about the 128mb of RAM. Jan 05 17:42:20 128 MB of ram on the n800 and n810 Jan 05 17:42:28 256 MB of internal memory on the n800 Jan 05 17:42:35 2GB of internal memory on the n810 Jan 05 17:42:38 256 MB internal on n800 and n810 Jan 05 17:42:44 oh so there is 128mb of RAM and is it an memory card too? Jan 05 17:43:00 d^_^B: which one are you buying Jan 05 17:43:01 d^_^B, no, it's soldered on board ram Jan 05 17:43:12 the 2GB internal replaces the missing internal card slot Jan 05 17:43:18 well i wanna buy new nokia n810 Jan 05 17:43:19 d^_^B: ram memory is the "running memory" where programs are loaded for execution Jan 05 17:43:31 Random access memory memory Jan 05 17:43:32 d^_^B: me too! Jan 05 17:43:33 RAM is not FLASH - the 128mb ram is lost when you reboot the device, its the same as RAM on your computer Jan 05 17:43:56 ok and can it be in 8 gb? Jan 05 17:44:01 Support for compatible miniSD and microSD memory cards (with extender). Supports cards up to 8GB. (SD cards over 2GB must be SDHC compatible.) Jan 05 17:44:08 there is an SD card slot, that can go up to 8gb Jan 05 17:44:09 yeah Jan 05 17:44:14 minisd* Jan 05 17:44:15 8 GB is available for n810? Jan 05 17:44:19 yes Jan 05 17:45:07 miniSDHC - ensure you get the HC version though else the device will not support it, might be best to get from nokia if you are unsure Jan 05 17:45:14 oh i got an SD card and up for 8 gb ummm how much is it? Jan 05 17:45:24 you need MiniSD Jan 05 17:45:26 not just SD Jan 05 17:45:30 its a smaller card physically Jan 05 17:45:56 d^_^B, and really you should get microSD, there really isn't an 8gb miniSD and probably won't be Jan 05 17:46:22 lcuk i don't buy it yet Jan 05 17:46:25 http://www.engadget.com/2005/03/15/sd-minisd-and-microsd/ Jan 05 17:46:35 size comparison of formats Jan 05 17:46:49 n810 takes MiniSD Jan 05 17:46:49 please tell me which version is possible 8 gb for n810? Jan 05 17:47:21 and for buy Jan 05 17:47:33 d^_^B: http://www.nseries.com/nseries/v3/media/sections/products/tech_specs/en-R1/tech_specs_n810_en_R1.html Jan 05 17:47:38 look at "Storage" Jan 05 17:48:06 blast007 yes i am seeing this right now but i want to be sure Jan 05 17:48:43 im not sure of specifics because my n810 is virginal - i have not yet put anything into its slot Jan 05 17:49:08 heh Jan 05 17:49:13 d^_^B, you want microSD Jan 05 17:49:26 hmm - does the N810 come with a microSD-to-miniSD adapter the same way the N800 came with a miniSD-to-SD adapter? Jan 05 17:49:35 infact i bought an n810 then how can i use and insert 8 gb memory card? has it any guide? for buy??/ Jan 05 17:49:38 when i go to buy a card i will take device with me and check right there - i know the size and format required but will not fork out money without confirming Jan 05 17:49:44 I think all microSD cards come with the adapters. Jan 05 17:50:07 cool, the adapters are cheap anyway Jan 05 17:50:12 i have a microsd card but it came with Micro->FullsizeSD (skipping the minisd) Jan 05 17:50:20 Ah Jan 05 17:50:31 mine wouldnt touch the sides Jan 05 17:50:42 They should have an all-in-one one Jan 05 17:50:42 pleae guide me :( Jan 05 17:50:44 wtf? does the N810 only support 8GB memory cards? ;o Jan 05 17:50:51 Chille: It supports up to 8gb Jan 05 17:50:53 d^_^B, get a microSD that comes with a miniSD adapter Jan 05 17:50:55 micro or miniSD Jan 05 17:51:00 then it is crap... :-( Jan 05 17:51:06 mmhmm Jan 05 17:51:13 I think you can theoretically get up to 64gb now on the n800 Jan 05 17:51:16 it comes with 2gb onboard so its not all bad Jan 05 17:51:27 i want a N810 with 16GB, at least Jan 05 17:51:43 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N810 <-- wikipedia says up to 32GB Jan 05 17:51:48 * lcuk now feels inadequate Jan 05 17:51:51 ahm thats better Jan 05 17:52:01 they can get up to 32gb Jan 05 17:52:07 there are no reasonably priced cards that are that huge Jan 05 17:52:12 its just a matter of drivers, it can take any miniSDHC i think Jan 05 17:52:16 yes. wikipedia always and forever contains only the truth[tm] Jan 05 17:52:22 well, you get a 16GB card for about $100 Jan 05 17:53:24 * lcuk edits wikipedia to tell of the terabytes available onboard Jan 05 17:53:29 oh it has a external 8 gb memory card yes? Jan 05 17:53:43 external card slot Jan 05 17:53:55 requires you to purchase your own Jan 05 17:54:07 what? Jan 05 17:54:50 . o O ( anyone remembers the times when a big computer to show off has 64MB RAM and a floppydisc drive? Jan 05 17:55:14 64kb you mean :) Jan 05 17:55:18 ack. Jan 05 17:55:37 64mb :O thats huge, i remember when i put a 16kb expansion in Jan 05 17:55:43 has to deal with TBytes and PBytes these days, and is confused... Jan 05 17:56:53 i have more cache in my processors nowadays Jan 05 17:57:23 * lcuk fondly remembers optimising fractal code to fit inside the 256byte cache on the 68020 Jan 05 17:58:04 the fact that you can get >4GB on a MicroSD card kind of blows my mind Jan 05 17:58:27 and put it in your cellphone Jan 05 17:58:40 4gb is a lot of contacts Jan 05 17:58:51 you would get a sore thumb scrolling through them all Jan 05 17:58:55 mine is full of mp3s :) Jan 05 17:58:58 16GB card for about $100 wow really?/ Jan 05 17:59:00 it's an N series Jan 05 17:59:23 then your a git, you have working powervr on it then i assume Jan 05 17:59:31 full 3d Jan 05 17:59:35 * lcuk drools Jan 05 17:59:40 it's a lowly N75 Jan 05 17:59:49 I haven't tried the 3d stuff though I know it exists Jan 05 18:00:16 in the US you can get them for $0 with a 2 year contract which is a pretty incredible deal for a device that runs Python Jan 05 18:00:23 8 Gb memory card is available on nokia stores for n810? what about 16 32?? Jan 05 18:00:34 is there an iCalendar application for Maemo? Jan 05 18:00:47 gpe-calendar Jan 05 18:01:16 ok Jan 05 18:01:52 (i hope that i remember that correctly Jan 05 18:06:09 hi i create turkish keyboard layout Jan 05 18:06:20 i wan to distburated with os2008 Jan 05 18:06:32 what can i do ? Jan 05 18:06:47 submit a patch to bugzilla? Jan 05 18:07:07 misafir_, https://bugs.maemo.org/ Jan 05 18:07:21 hım ok. Jan 05 18:07:48 if i want to create turkish language support how can i do ? Jan 05 18:07:52 misafir_ Jan 05 18:08:01 are u turkish? Jan 05 18:08:06 yes Jan 05 18:08:18 guys, where I can find libhildonmime0-1.10.1 ? Jan 05 18:08:21 is there available n810 there? Jan 05 18:09:00 no n800 sell in turkey, but i buy n800 in usa Jan 05 18:09:43 how much is n800 there? Jan 05 18:11:24 d^_^B, http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N800-Internet-Tablet-PC/dp/B000MK4GGM/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1199556666&sr=8-1 Jan 05 18:12:15 d^_^B: i dont know but this is website : http://www.nokia.com.tr/link?cid=PLAIN_TEXT_121696 Jan 05 18:12:38 well thank u guys Jan 05 18:13:03 i want to create turkish language support how can i do ? Jan 05 18:13:42 i want to create farsi too :D Jan 05 18:14:57 :D Jan 05 18:15:42 misa, how far do you want to go with translation Jan 05 18:22:24 anybody else not able to update libillumination0? Jan 05 18:25:25 * lcuk_damn fell out Jan 05 18:28:25 are all the pepole over there working hard developing for their nokias or are they just silent Jan 05 18:28:32 people^ Jan 05 18:29:57 We are so busy developing that we cant answeer Jan 05 18:30:29 ;) Jan 05 18:31:11 lol Jan 05 18:32:56 ok, ill get the ball rolling, i am used to working with visual studio on windows. i think i know the process for coding for maemo but let me try an example and see if its right Jan 05 18:33:20 suppose i like a program (say fbreader) but i want to try and modify it Jan 05 18:33:26 i get the source code for it Jan 05 18:33:56 fire up my vmware session and open it in the editor, make the changes and compile for arm Jan 05 18:34:09 (this is where i get sticky) Jan 05 18:34:26 can i just copy and test then or do i need to package it Jan 05 18:35:36 Soryy, cant help you. I have my device for one week now Jan 05 18:35:41 when working on my pda (.net compact) it just ran from the windows IDE so i could test on the device Jan 05 18:35:59 any news on USA discount codes yet? Jan 05 18:36:00 i only got mine in december as well Jan 05 18:36:13 look at the scratchbox wiki pages on maemo.org Jan 05 18:36:22 theres tutorials there about how to run the test environment Jan 05 18:36:23 I am trying to talk using RFCOMM to a device using PyBluez. Is there a way I can control the pairing process directly from my Python script, completely bypassing the maemo "Pair with device" dialog? Jan 05 18:36:35 i want to run on the device not test env Jan 05 18:37:18 FISmith: drive the bluez libs directly. you'll need to figure out what the python api is. It ought to work with directly driven connections. Jan 05 18:39:27 * lcuk_damn afk Jan 05 18:48:35 * lardman is relieved, just finished moving stacks of Scientific American & New Scientist Jan 05 18:49:22 dragorn: do you mean bypass PyBluez? What basic mechanism would I use to access the bluez libs directly from Python? Jan 05 18:51:14 dhdfoo: you about do discuss DSP things? Jan 05 18:51:41 or even "to discuss" Jan 05 18:58:03 doc|home, Can you help me get linux on my tablet? Jan 05 18:59:25 which tablet? Jan 05 19:00:09 Um, hold on Jan 05 19:02:26 is it a paper tablet, ot stone? Jan 05 19:02:47 ot=or Jan 05 19:03:05 paper tablet? Jan 05 19:03:22 paracetamol perhaps, but not paper Jan 05 19:03:49 hey Jan 05 19:04:05 im about to attempt my second round of installing scratchbox et all Jan 05 19:04:14 can anyone point me to the best tutorial? Jan 05 19:04:25 I've seen about 30 on google that I've drew from on my last attempt Jan 05 19:05:00 but it built a somewhat imcomplete scratchbox, apt-get wasn't working, couldn't compile to AMR only PC, xeyphr would not run for ARM, etc. Jan 05 19:05:15 My development target is the n770 Jan 05 19:05:22 I'm on debian (vm) Jan 05 19:05:44 The last attempt is documented here: http://www.h0va.com/index.php/Sk_dev_log Jan 05 19:07:30 hello Jan 05 19:07:59 my app won't display its icon... are there any requirements about the size of the icon? Jan 05 19:08:18 sk: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html#settingup ?? Jan 05 19:08:50 Who can tell me how to install mplayer on OS2008 using an N800? :S Jan 05 19:09:10 DRoBeR: Application manager.... Jan 05 19:09:36 lardman: I'm pulling it up now ... Jan 05 19:10:18 I can't see it on the list :S May I have wrong repositories? Jan 05 19:10:52 it should be in extras, you may need to enable that one Jan 05 19:11:10 lardman: alright, I think I took bits and pieces from it, but didn't follow 100% . I was using another tutorial or 5 Jan 05 19:11:11 heh Jan 05 19:11:17 otherwise there ought to be a link to it from the download page linked to from maemo.org Jan 05 19:11:43 DRoBeR: and if the worst comes to the worst, head over to the garage page Jan 05 19:12:03 ouch, not it appears on my list! :S Jan 05 19:12:11 now* Jan 05 19:12:40 Cool... I am an idiot. Thanks for your time, lardman . ^_^U Jan 05 19:13:08 np Jan 05 19:13:50 is there any way to see if I have actived red pill mode ? Jan 05 19:14:51 What about video "Et" audio recording? :) Jan 05 19:14:57 bounc, i think you have more options in the dialog, but the simplest is just to trigger the selection again (matrix thingy) Jan 05 19:14:58 b0unc3, "sysctl dev.pill.color" Jan 05 19:16:23 ~sh: sysctl: not found Jan 05 19:16:44 sysctl: error: 'dev.pill.color' is an unknown key Jan 05 19:26:59 I'm trying to install rtcomm v2.. but it need libhildonmime0-1.10.1... where I can find this lib? Jan 05 19:40:57 does the n800 usb work in usb host mode? Jan 05 19:42:26 b0unc3: make sure you've flashed the latest image Jan 05 19:42:42 darx: otg, yes Jan 05 19:43:03 lardman: how can i enable it? Jan 05 19:43:17 no idea, try browsing ITT Jan 05 19:44:01 from what i read just get a cable and plug in - according to docs usb OTG should just work with standard usb devices (as long as they don't use shitloads of power) Jan 05 19:45:41 lcuk_damn: i just found this http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/n800usbhost is this basically locking otg to the respective modes or is it pure host mode? Jan 05 19:45:47 Several hits ... http://www.google.com/search?q=n800+host+mode Jan 05 19:46:14 or search itt Jan 05 19:46:16 ~itt Jan 05 19:46:25 never a bot around when you need one! Jan 05 19:47:12 what do you guys think about this procedure? http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/n800usbhost Jan 05 19:51:15 for any one in the UK, play.com is selling the n800 for £129. Jan 05 19:51:27 a bargain imho Jan 05 19:59:20 cifs is the component which gives network shares isnt it Jan 05 20:17:01 hi Jan 05 20:18:11 i'm trying to get my apple bluetooth keyboard working with my n800 on os2008, but i cant seem to get it to pair. when i select the keyboard to pair (from the n800) and hit OK after it picks a passcode, it automatically fails, without any time to type the passcode on the keyboard Jan 05 20:30:50 wow Jan 05 20:31:14 ive had a particular mail account now for 8 years Jan 05 20:32:31 since the 18th december i signed up for 3 things - qt evaluation program, fbreader and vmware and NOW i am getting spam Jan 05 20:32:49 never had anything on this account before Jan 05 20:32:52 i are shocked Jan 05 20:33:10 its that damn fbreader Jan 05 20:33:10 lcuk_damn: want some of mine 1000+/day? Jan 05 20:33:50 cord, my other accounts get spam, but ive never seen anything with this one Jan 05 20:33:51 hello, anyone knows what i have to do to make my app show it's icon? Jan 05 20:34:33 an appname.png is installed into /usr/share/icons/hicolor/40x40/hildon/ Jan 05 20:34:49 but it shows only the default icon :( Jan 05 20:47:29 /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache -f /usr/share/icons/hicolor Jan 05 20:55:45 kulve: the docs are wrong then Jan 05 20:56:04 "If you your application is deploying icons to /usr/share/icons/hicolor then you should make sure to run the Jan 05 20:56:04 gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor Jan 05 20:56:04 command in the postinst script, otherwise your icons might not show up until the device is restarted!" Jan 05 20:56:38 im not to hot at debian package installation ... Jan 05 20:56:43 can someone give me hand w/this .. Jan 05 20:56:51 Download the following Scratchbox files from http://www.scratchbox.org/scratchbox-apophis/. Alternatively, install the corresponging debian binary packages. Jan 05 20:57:06 I added the line to my sources.list Jan 05 20:57:11 sikor_sxe: well, I'm not sure if the -f is needed. I just cut'n'pasted that from kilikali and there the icon stuff works Jan 05 20:57:15 kulve: the -f switch worked however :) Jan 05 20:57:20 sikor_sxe: good :) Jan 05 20:57:23 so how do I apt-get scrathbox-core-1.0.7? Jan 05 20:57:30 et all Jan 05 20:57:39 sikor_sxe: you can (or should) make a bug about that.. Jan 05 20:57:49 yeah Jan 05 20:58:14 sk: does "apt-get install scratchbox" install the latest packages? Jan 05 20:58:28 I haven't tried it .. Jan 05 20:58:36 sk: you might also want to try the maemo installer scripts. They install the SB from tarballs and create the SB targets Jan 05 20:58:37 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_2_2_tutorial.html#settingup <- what I'm following Jan 05 20:58:43 that's how I installed my SB Jan 05 20:59:05 sk: are you installing SB for 2008 (chinook)? Jan 05 20:59:15 no, my target is n770 Jan 05 20:59:41 hm.. Jan 05 20:59:53 this is my second attempt at it Jan 05 21:00:12 well, the latest SB is recommeded for 770 too, iirc. I'm just not sure if the toolchain is the same for 2006 and for 2008 Jan 05 21:00:20 word Jan 05 21:00:24 yeah, I dont know. Jan 05 21:00:55 should I attempt to apt-get install scratchbox? Jan 05 21:01:12 go ahead Jan 05 21:01:26 I'm not sure if the meta package like that exists Jan 05 21:01:28 says it couldn't find the package Jan 05 21:02:04 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt Jan 05 21:02:16 2.2 Installing Scratchbox Apophis manually Jan 05 21:02:39 you can follow that to install the SB. Just select the toolchains according to the gregale docs Jan 05 21:02:49 ok Jan 05 21:02:51 creating the targets is pretty much the same Jan 05 21:03:00 and now I'm off again Jan 05 21:03:10 thanks man,I'll let you know Jan 05 21:03:13 how it turns out Jan 05 21:03:14 heh Jan 05 21:14:25 has anyone tried connecting multiple USB devices on a n810/800 in host mode? with a hub of course Jan 05 21:16:21 I am under the impression that the n8x0 devices only work with USB on-the-go devices Jan 05 21:18:11 works with keyboard and flash drive Jan 05 21:18:26 my Q is wheter or not it works with hubs, for example both a flash drive and keyboard Jan 05 21:19:23 are you sure those devices are not USB OTG compatible? Jan 05 21:19:48 they prob are, i dunno, thats still not my question Jan 05 21:19:50 (note that USB OTG does *not* support hubs) Jan 05 21:19:56 (perhaps that was not clear) Jan 05 21:19:58 ah Jan 05 21:20:02 nah it wasnt Jan 05 21:20:18 i know that some guy is using a hub to get more power, just dont know if he has connected more than one thing Jan 05 21:24:02 hubs work Jan 05 21:24:06 according to some ITT guy Jan 05 21:30:08 hi everybody Jan 05 21:30:12 and good year Jan 05 21:30:23 or happy new year Jan 05 21:31:01 anyways...I've got a question : how do you enable networking on the maemo dev environnement Jan 05 21:31:11 when I do af-sb-init.sh start Jan 05 21:31:33 uhm Jan 05 21:31:34 and then run an application that uses the network it says it can't use networking... Jan 05 21:31:51 how do i reset my n800/os2008? or turn it off Jan 05 21:32:02 i have a zombie program-manager Jan 05 21:32:07 reset or turn it off ? Jan 05 21:32:26 if it's not possible to reset it Jan 05 21:32:32 remove battery Jan 05 21:32:36 :O Jan 05 21:32:54 hold the power button for 4seconds Jan 05 21:33:44 WAHHH Jan 05 21:33:54 it won't start again! Jan 05 21:34:17 holy moley Jan 05 21:34:27 * sikor_sxe prays Jan 05 21:35:38 remove the battery and try again :P Jan 05 21:37:33 uhm Jan 05 21:37:35 how? Jan 05 21:39:52 PHEEEW Jan 05 21:39:57 went on again :) Jan 05 21:40:07 i guess that's a bug Jan 05 21:47:24 hi how does one get a list of installable apps to use with apt-get? Jan 05 21:47:38 the list in the "Application Manager" Jan 05 21:48:27 apt-cache search $string Jan 05 21:48:39 apt-cache search "" Jan 05 21:50:10 nice thanks. does it output all or just not installed ones? Jan 05 21:50:15 all I guess Jan 05 21:50:31 yup Jan 05 21:50:50 i never realized "" worked until just now :) Jan 05 21:50:58 so thanks for asking :) Jan 05 21:51:23 I didnt now that either. I knew apt-cache search but strange. did you just guess that? :) nice Jan 05 21:51:30 yeah shot in the dark Jan 05 21:52:58 is staying in red pill mode dangerous if you know what you are doing? Jan 05 21:53:38 afaik it's just like being root from the app manager Jan 05 21:54:24 ok thanks. Jan 05 21:54:39 do you have a keyboard? Jan 05 21:54:59 night all Jan 05 21:56:48 sikor_sxe: with the off button? Jan 05 21:57:23 shackan: this did not shutdown the n800 Jan 05 21:57:41 it went into some kind of suspend mode Jan 05 21:57:43 not even holding it down? Jan 05 21:57:48 mmm Jan 05 21:57:56 nope Jan 05 21:58:16 but i remeber seeing the n800 boot a few times Jan 05 21:58:20 remember Jan 05 22:03:26 pupnik_: me? Jan 05 22:03:43 I'm using ssh. Jan 05 22:07:46 can I ssh into the n800 without enabling the r&d_mode? Jan 05 22:07:59 tht is ssh into n800 from my desktop Jan 05 22:07:59 ah Jan 05 22:08:19 i use the shell a lot, so i'm always using ssh/synergy/bluetooth keyboard Jan 05 22:08:21 re Jan 05 22:10:18 Aniruddha_NL: if you install openssh-server, yes. Jan 05 22:10:55 ustunozgur: I have it installed Jan 05 22:11:17 Bu I get stucka t the password screen Jan 05 22:11:19 :S Jan 05 22:11:25 I have tried the default password Jan 05 22:11:30 ropotme Jan 05 22:11:33 rootme Jan 05 22:11:41 it asks a new password for me Jan 05 22:11:51 while installing Jan 05 22:11:58 then you use that password you gave. Jan 05 22:12:18 true\ Jan 05 22:12:25 if you just clicked OK, it might be blank Jan 05 22:12:29 but that password didn;t work Jan 05 22:12:45 I can loging from my n88 locslly thouh Jan 05 22:13:09 with ssh root@localhost Jan 05 22:13:21 localhost? Jan 05 22:13:45 from your n800? Jan 05 22:13:51 yes Jan 05 22:14:17 hurray Jan 05 22:14:20 I am in! Jan 05 22:14:52 I tried a different ip Jan 05 22:15:29 what is the default password for 'user'? Jan 05 22:15:36 is it safe to change it? Jan 05 22:17:54 as root, type "passwd user" in shell Jan 05 22:18:04 on os2006 i change it just fine Jan 05 22:19:02 ok that gives no problems with os Jan 05 22:20:19 ? Jan 05 22:21:47 gives me no problems, and i'm not aware of others with problems Jan 05 22:21:59 ah great! Jan 05 22:22:13 thenj nI don't have to ssh as root anymore :D Jan 05 22:22:15 thanks@ Jan 05 22:22:20 @=! Jan 05 22:22:28 yw Jan 05 22:52:53 inz: what version of the xterm you provided? It's segfaulting every now and then and I could gdb it, if I had the sources Jan 05 22:56:53 hi ... does anyone know if the scratchbox plugin for eclipse works or should i just use cmd line tools? Jan 05 23:13:44 * lcuk has tummy ache Jan 05 23:14:39 * moontiger is watching the seahawks beat the redskins :) Jan 05 23:16:08 * lcuk doesn't understand american football Jan 05 23:56:02 kulve: around? Jan 06 00:04:09 Guess what! :D Jan 06 00:05:04 I'm using my new apple wireless bluetooth keyboard on 2008/N800 to chat right now. :) Jan 06 00:05:14 very nice Jan 06 00:05:31 Failed to pair the first couple of times but now it works like a beaut. Jan 06 00:05:42 do all the buttons work and are you wearing the customary steve jobs turtle neck? Jan 06 00:05:45 Highly recommended. Jan 06 00:06:08 ... How did you know I was wearing a turtle-neck? o_O Jan 06 00:06:19 i looked at them last night and its a nice board Jan 06 00:06:32 I haven't tried all the keys out yet, so far so good. Jan 06 00:07:26 be careful with the buttons tho, if you press a certain combination a group of mac users will come round and have a party Jan 06 00:07:38 :( Jan 06 00:07:56 But I'm a linux hippy with a scruffy beard and no social life. Jan 06 00:07:58 its ok you can mingle and show off and offer to link your board with their iphone ;) Jan 06 00:08:18 Ewwww, propriorety. Jan 06 00:08:18 * lcuk cackles quietly about no bluetooth Jan 06 00:08:29 kewl sandisk microSDHC 8GB (with micro to mini adapter) is recognized by my N810 Jan 06 00:08:38 Congratulations. Jan 06 00:08:47 guerby could you run a test for speed? Jan 06 00:08:53 guer, good to know Jan 06 00:09:06 pupnik_, write speed 3.3 MB/s Jan 06 00:09:18 how much was the microSDHC? Jan 06 00:09:20 Now I can roleplay erotic situations on the toilet. :D Jan 06 00:10:02 root flash is 6.9 MB/s, internal flash is 2.1 MB/s, and kingston 1GB microSD is 4.3 MB/s Jan 06 00:10:16 measured with: time sh -c "dd if=/dev/zero of=toto bs=1M count=200;sync" Jan 06 00:10:16 umm how did you test? Jan 06 00:10:25 The funky "you are using an external keyboard bar on the bottom is annoying me. Jan 06 00:10:33 sync; time sh -c "dd if=/dev/zero of=/media/mmc1/testfile bs=1M count=100;sync" Jan 06 00:10:38 use that to write speed test Jan 06 00:10:42 * scibot hunts down a way to disable it. Jan 06 00:10:45 time dd if=/media/mmc1/testfile of=/dev/null bs=1M Jan 06 00:10:50 use that to read speed test Jan 06 00:10:55 you need the sincs Jan 06 00:11:00 sci, that bar at the bottom will be the same one which gives suggestions about words on the 810 Jan 06 00:11:03 pupnik_, I did \rm toto;sync before launching Jan 06 00:11:08 you can remove it Jan 06 00:11:14 F6 maximises, F4 brings up the properties menu. Jan 06 00:11:14 anyone around with knowledge of the hildon mime system? Jan 06 00:11:37 guerby: is mmc1 the minisd card on the N810? Jan 06 00:11:37 i cannot get filemanager to open documents with my app Jan 06 00:12:03 pupnik_, yes (mmc2 is internal flash, and for root flash I used /var/tmp and only 50GB) Jan 06 00:12:11 50MB Jan 06 00:12:15 ok Jan 06 00:12:36 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11695&highlight=minisd guerby could you post your card brand name and read/write speeds to this thread please? Jan 06 00:12:56 Shit, can't disable it. Jan 06 00:13:25 sci - try unticking control panel/text input/languages/settings/"next word prediction" Jan 06 00:13:29 pupnik_, pupnik for read I got really funny behaviour Jan 06 00:13:59 that bar used to come on when i use the internal kb (its in the right place for it on 810) and pissed me off Jan 06 00:14:03 pupnik_, 5 MB/s then 10 MB/s then 5MB/s ... quite bizarre Jan 06 00:14:13 hmm :/ Jan 06 00:15:03 Testing... Bloody thing is still down there. Jan 06 00:15:12 guerby: sounds like a sample issue rather than a data rate issue Jan 06 00:15:14 ewwww Jan 06 00:15:42 Okay now it's gone. Jan 06 00:15:50 Had to disable word complete. Jan 06 00:16:56 cool Jan 06 00:17:14 didnt see the pair of them lol - just got rid of all Jan 06 00:17:59 Anyway, this is much cooler now I can type comfortably. Jan 06 00:18:40 its gonna take some gettin used to with the 810 board Jan 06 00:19:01 gonna plug in an external when i am at home Jan 06 00:19:23 Got the host cable for it? Jan 06 00:19:42 Oooh, this is really going to feed my IRC addiction, that's for sure. Jan 06 00:19:54 not yet but theres other stuff happenin around which means i cant go ripping into the mystery boxes for bits Jan 06 00:21:10 if it doesnt look feasible at least i know i can whip out to the apple shop and get myself one Jan 06 00:21:26 Like mwah. Jan 06 00:21:32 :P Jan 06 00:21:44 * lcuk slaps scibot for gloatin :P Jan 06 00:22:07 Just because I'm the apple sort of awesome. Jan 06 00:22:26 right - you are a python coder? Jan 06 00:22:39 Okay that's stretching it too far, it's a nice keyboard. Jan 06 00:22:48 lol Jan 06 00:23:22 (it was actually a serious question, i have editor open Jan 06 00:23:23 Not really, I only do it on occasion, mostly for scripting Jan 06 00:23:32 pupnik_, posted here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=121601&postcount=38 Jan 06 00:24:18 guerby thanks - ppl will appreciate it Jan 06 00:25:11 I'm pretty much studying game development now though, so I'll be getting into pygame soon Jan 06 00:25:31 am i right in thinking that i can get most of the code working as standard gtk (hence dev directly in windows) and just switch out a module of hildon specific stuff when i move it onto my n810 Jan 06 00:26:28 i have compiled many straight gtk 2.0 apps for the tablets Jan 06 00:26:37 >=| Jan 06 00:26:41 but they will be missing features Jan 06 00:26:45 i tried this but the gui looks wrong Jan 06 00:26:58 hence needing to hildonize a few calls Jan 06 00:27:10 yes Jan 06 00:27:29 cool - so i i am heading in the right direction Jan 06 00:27:50 feeling a bit better Jan 06 00:29:51 how do i get file manager to run .py files directly? (i think its related to the mime question earlier) Jan 06 00:41:59 New rtcomm rocks! Jan 06 00:45:13 maddler, in what respect? :) Jan 06 00:45:30 doesn't install on my device. Jan 06 00:46:28 i like the gizmo hackk Jan 06 00:46:50 Almost ever IM protocol is now available from default chat application! Jan 06 00:46:56 able to make free calls and recieve them...can't beat that. Jan 06 00:48:35 Also... Jan 06 00:57:31 <|R> unique311 : hack? Jan 06 00:58:11 not really. Jan 06 01:01:59 well i guess you can call it that... Jan 06 01:02:43 if you set up grandcentral to forward calls to your gizmo number. Jan 06 01:03:00 and set up the gizmo number in the default chat client. Jan 06 01:04:25 what happens is, when you go to the grandcentral website and call any number from your contact list. google actually calls the number you want to dial, and then i guess forwards the call to your gizmo number. Jan 06 01:13:06 thought grandcentral new signups was closed :/ Jan 06 01:13:36 i'll send u an invite Jan 06 01:13:45 have 5 left.. Jan 06 01:13:48 come and get em Jan 06 01:14:01 pm me ur email addy Jan 06 01:16:20 its good to be a geek :) Jan 06 01:16:21 [02:15] i Jan 06 01:16:21 [02:15] r Jan 06 01:16:21 [02:15] Extremely Jan 06 01:16:21 [02:15] bored Jan 06 01:16:21 [02:15] ! Jan 06 01:16:39 :P Jan 06 01:16:44 c c c c c lag breaker Jan 06 01:22:03 hmmm big design oops: there's no & key or symbol on N810 french kbd ... Jan 06 01:22:35 argh I missed lardman Jan 06 01:22:46 stupid timezones :) Jan 06 01:23:10 is it okay to update http://maemo.org/community/wiki/dspprogramming/ to reflect new paths to DSP stuff on the N800? Jan 06 01:38:49 certainly Jan 06 01:46:29 |R, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJpS5doGZM Jan 06 01:50:27 hey, any around? Jan 06 01:50:36 *anyone Jan 06 01:51:01 i'm around. Jan 06 01:51:08 what you want suckkaaa. Jan 06 01:51:16 <|R> checkin' :) Jan 06 01:51:16 j/k Jan 06 01:51:16 okay Jan 06 01:51:31 so imtrying to update through the app manager Jan 06 01:51:53 but it says i cant because im missing libglade and makedev Jan 06 01:52:31 the package is rtcom-beta-os2998 Jan 06 01:52:54 do you know how to fix my problem? Jan 06 01:53:17 i gave up on that one. Jan 06 01:53:24 nwidger: you enabled red pill mode ? Jan 06 01:53:25 had alot of missing dependencies Jan 06 01:53:34 shackan: i have Jan 06 01:53:41 because its trying to use the repository and not the repostory. Jan 06 01:53:48 shackan: should i disable it? Jan 06 01:53:53 mm, strange, I installed it Jan 06 01:53:56 nwidger: I didn't Jan 06 01:54:03 hmmm Jan 06 01:54:03 but everytime i remove the (i) it just adds new repos. Jan 06 01:54:20 lemme try again Jan 06 01:54:55 what exactly is red pill mode? Jan 06 01:56:03 a mode that should not be abused Jan 06 01:56:21 what is it though? Jan 06 01:56:24 root? Jan 06 01:56:30 or what Jan 06 01:57:06 a mode that allows you to install stuff that can screw your tablet up, i think. Jan 06 01:57:14 sorry Jan 06 01:57:44 so what does enabling red pill mode do? Jan 06 01:57:47 consequences of doing so include, 1. reflashing 2. reflashing 3 reflashing. Jan 06 01:57:56 ah Jan 06 01:58:18 <|R> unique311 : so basically grandcentral allows you to add contacts and calls both ends instead of you having to call? and gizmo has free call-in ? Jan 06 01:58:30 <|R> (never used either...) Jan 06 01:58:30 to install rtcomm, will allow rtcomm to install dependencies not available in blue pill mode. Jan 06 01:58:52 not sure if gizmo has free calls in. Jan 06 01:58:55 hmm Jan 06 01:59:11 i tried dialing the gizmo number via home phone. Jan 06 01:59:17 and it won't go thru Jan 06 01:59:28 but grandcentral allows this to happen. Jan 06 01:59:32 <|R> unique311 : but in the video you called by the webpage, and it rang your n800 and the other person...? Jan 06 01:59:32 which is cool with me. Jan 06 01:59:39 yes Jan 06 01:59:41 you can't call the sip number from a phone Jan 06 01:59:49 but you can get a free 775 number from them Jan 06 01:59:51 but you can also use the device browser Jan 06 01:59:54 unique... Jan 06 02:00:08 <|R> yes sure... Jan 06 02:00:08 still need a credit card though Jan 06 02:00:14 how do you become root? Jan 06 02:00:16 you brush over your mail addy :( i can't quite grasp the numbers part Jan 06 02:00:17 <|R> urhm Jan 06 02:00:40 lcuk, you need my email address? Jan 06 02:00:41 * lcuk would like to try google prod Jan 06 02:00:46 * |R doesn't get something ;) Jan 06 02:00:46 or you can get a free grandcentral number and set your gizmo sip number in there Jan 06 02:00:51 send me a PM Jan 06 02:00:59 lcuk i can send you an invite. Jan 06 02:01:00 yer but no priv msg on this webchat Jan 06 02:01:04 unfortunately no new grandcentral accounts until google googlizes them Jan 06 02:01:19 you mind 257 having you email address? Jan 06 02:01:25 lol Jan 06 02:01:40 <|R> anyway i'm in canada... i'm screwed Jan 06 02:01:48 ill try what i think it is now... Jan 06 02:01:50 unique311: you guys could join an empty channel Jan 06 02:02:01 <|R> like #maemo-empty Jan 06 02:02:01 <|R> hehe Jan 06 02:02:06 cool Jan 06 02:02:12 anyone know where i can get libglade2? Jan 06 02:02:15 lcuk, join maemo-empty Jan 06 02:02:18 or makedev? Jan 06 02:02:55 |R, it can still work. Jan 06 02:03:21 don't you know anyone from the US, get an address and sign up for GC Jan 06 02:03:38 <|R> uhm, not really :) Jan 06 02:03:54 <|R> but it's too much work considering i have dirt cheap sip at home :) Jan 06 02:04:16 <|R> 1.1¢/minis close enougth to nothing. Jan 06 02:04:59 cool Jan 06 02:05:45 searching for ways to make international calls right now for free..lol Jan 06 02:05:57 <|R> hehe, keep us updated ;) Jan 06 02:06:28 * lcuk_b grits teeth **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 06 02:59:57 2008