**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 06 02:59:57 2008
Jan 06 03:26:04 <rouex> hola
Jan 06 03:26:34 <rouex> anyone know the milliamps rating for the BP-5L battery that comes with the N800? I'm looking to buy a replacement. thanks.
Jan 06 03:49:32 <Reverend> ping
Jan 06 03:54:56 <Reverend> ???
Jan 06 03:58:39 <E78C8EE4BABA> pong
Jan 06 03:59:12 <|R> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 4 minutes :P
Jan 06 04:02:13 <Reverend> Thank you for responding E78C8EE4BA, I was wondering if there was a -voice that had occurred.
Jan 06 04:03:37 <E78C8EE4BABA> not showing in xchat
Jan 06 04:04:13 <E78C8EE4BABA> btw, (n810 xchat)++
Jan 06 04:10:10 <Reverend> Awesome E78, (I'm too lazy to type the whole thing) how hard was that to get in n810?
Jan 06 04:11:58 <E78C8EE4BABA> point&click
Jan 06 04:12:07 * Reverend nods
Jan 06 04:12:38 <E78C8EE4BABA> it's beta, but i've found no bugs
Jan 06 04:12:44 <Reverend> Mine's not nearly so cool, it's Colloquy on Mac os X ;)
Jan 06 04:13:28 <E78C8EE4BABA> my only problem now is figuring out how to bear children for my n810
Jan 06 04:13:52 <|R> anyone got pipepanic running on 2008? :P
Jan 06 04:36:21 <scibot> Crap, can't find the equivelant of the home key on this thing.
Jan 06 04:36:45 <scibot> Any ideas? I know CTRL+Left jumps across by word.
Jan 06 04:37:52 <scibot> I'm using an apple wireless keyboard and it doesn't have the right side with the numpad etc. on it
Jan 06 04:40:11 <scibot> I need it to delete the whole line, which is something that until now I didn't realise how often I did.
Jan 06 04:50:58 <unique311> http://beeks.eu/Screensaver.htm
Jan 06 04:51:07 <unique311> HERe's A cOoL LiNkE
Jan 06 04:51:28 <unique311> WtF WhY Is MY WrTtinG LoOkIng LiKE THiS.
Jan 06 04:51:33 <unique311> iS THIs A JOkE.
Jan 06 04:52:10 <unique311> that was strange
Jan 06 04:53:29 <unique311> save the .swf to mmc, run them in the browser, and then bookmark them.
Jan 06 04:54:46 <unique311> the handclock.swf is i think the best.
Jan 06 04:56:32 <unique311> http://beeks.eu/swf/handclock.swf
Jan 06 05:16:01 <scibot> How do you map keys for a bluetooth keyboard? Want to set up a combo for home and end
Jan 06 05:19:26 <tank-man> maybe you can try with xmodmap
Jan 06 06:24:06 <jason__> quick question
Jan 06 06:24:11 <jason__> I've compiled xv
Jan 06 06:24:15 <jason__> but how can I double click on n810???
Jan 06 06:24:18 <jason__> err
Jan 06 06:24:22 <jason__> right click I meant
Jan 06 06:24:33 <jason__> which is needed to display xv's menu
Jan 06 06:24:51 <jason__> it's kinda annoying without
Jan 06 06:25:21 <keesj> Hi
Jan 06 06:25:51 <keesj> I don't think it is possible.
Jan 06 06:25:56 <jason__> great
Jan 06 06:26:33 <keesj> I qoulw be good to do like other programs , that pressing for a longer time pops up the menu. or do something in combo with a hardware key
Jan 06 06:26:47 <jason__> bah not worth it
Jan 06 06:27:06 <jason__> I was hoping that a key combination would work
Jan 06 06:27:07 <keesj> me trying to be funny: you need to pres harder
Jan 06 06:27:15 <jason__> i.e. shift + click
Jan 06 06:27:42 <jason__> ah
Jan 06 06:27:44 <jason__> I found it
Jan 06 06:27:46 <keesj> what works best are apps that are designed for the devices
Jan 06 06:27:55 <keesj> really?
Jan 06 06:28:09 <jason__> YES!!!
Jan 06 06:28:12 <jason__> kick ass
Jan 06 06:28:13 <jason__> thanks!!!
Jan 06 06:28:41 <keesj> WTF
Jan 06 06:30:38 <Luria> anyone ever have their home screen applets just disappear?
Jan 06 06:31:32 <unique311> LoL
Jan 06 06:31:49 <unique311> He foUND the answer, and didn't bother sharing.
Jan 06 06:31:51 <unique311> that sucks
Jan 06 06:32:31 <Luria> the joys of oss
Jan 06 06:33:02 <unique311> in and out.
Jan 06 06:33:36 <keesj> happy happy joy joy.
Jan 06 06:34:15 <Luria> hmmm... whats up with the libillumination packages
Jan 06 06:34:38 <Luria> they all see to have updates, but not all of the libs seem to be installable?
Jan 06 06:40:42 <keesj> Luria: I dont know
Jan 06 06:41:06 <Luria> keesj, but you know what i'm talking about?
Jan 06 06:42:13 <Luria> argh. xchat's gone stupid. brb
Jan 06 06:42:37 <keesj> I know there have been problems with the repositories (and often a download fails) perhaps this is related
Jan 06 06:45:40 <d^_^B> hi guys
Jan 06 06:45:59 <d^_^B> tell me please this is true:
Jan 06 06:46:13 <d^_^B> The N800 has an FM tuner, this was not included in the N810
Jan 06 06:46:13 <d^_^B> ?????????
Jan 06 06:46:24 <keesj> this is right
Jan 06 06:46:30 <Luria> yup
Jan 06 06:48:55 * keesj is very happy with his new laptop . ready for serious development!
Jan 06 06:49:10 <d^_^B> n810 hasn't it :(
Jan 06 06:49:40 <keesj> perhaps it is hidden again :p
Jan 06 06:50:17 <d^_^B> ummm so not sure
Jan 06 06:50:36 <moontiger_> has anybody managed to get nicotine (or any other p2p client) running on the n810?
Jan 06 06:51:29 <Luria> i use bittorrent
Jan 06 06:51:39 <Luria> why would i use nicotine?
Jan 06 06:51:50 <moontiger_> hmmmmmmmmm
Jan 06 06:52:05 <moontiger_> which torrent client do u use?
Jan 06 06:52:09 <Luria> transmission works pretty well
Jan 06 06:52:13 <moontiger_> ahhhhhh yah
Jan 06 06:52:16 <moontiger_> i got that
Jan 06 06:52:18 <moontiger_> :)
Jan 06 06:52:18 <Luria> ctorrent in a cli pinch
Jan 06 06:52:46 <moontiger_> is there any way to make transmission the default handler for .torrent files in the browser?
Jan 06 06:52:53 <Luria> actually, transmission is a very good client
Jan 06 06:53:01 <moontiger_> yes its nice and lightweight
Jan 06 06:53:05 <d^_^B> utorrent
Jan 06 06:53:05 <d^_^B> :D
Jan 06 06:53:27 <d^_^B> tell me irc client is for n810?
Jan 06 06:53:42 <moontiger_> yes ... xchat works fine on the n810
Jan 06 06:54:28 <Luria> i should hopeso, seeing as im using it atm
Jan 06 06:54:50 <moontiger_> hehe
Jan 06 06:55:39 <Luria> moontiger_, no idea, i suppose gconf would be the place to start looking
Jan 06 06:55:58 <moontiger_> yah or i suppose i should write a script to do it huh? ;)
Jan 06 06:57:18 <Luria> meh
Jan 06 06:57:48 <Luria> its not such a big deal - i dont intentionally use bt all that often
Jan 06 06:58:19 <Luria> normally, its start a torrent via rdesktop, enjoy it when i get home.
Jan 06 06:59:23 <moontiger_> yah good point ... and its no biggie to download the torrent file and then open it with transmission
Jan 06 06:59:28 <moontiger_> i was being lazy really
Jan 06 06:59:29 <moontiger_> :)
Jan 06 07:01:07 <Luria> i mean, the rare case is to grab an album or something on the go, but if im moving, well i probably cant do port forwarding or im not sticking around long enough to do a really large xfer
Jan 06 07:01:42 <Luria> so while its nice to have, its not something i do very often.
Jan 06 07:02:08 <Luria> when i switch to a 3g tethering plan, id be wary about using it too, so that is out
Jan 06 07:02:28 <Luria> i could route it through my home vpn, but that seems unwise.
Jan 06 07:02:37 <Luria> and slow, given my upstream.
Jan 06 07:03:43 <d^_^B> I FOund THESE:
Jan 06 07:03:49 <d^_^B> The N810 has a built-in GPS, the N800 doesn't (just use a BT GPS instead)
Jan 06 07:03:52 <d^_^B> The N810 has a slide-out keyboard, the N800 doesn't (both can also use an external BT keyboard)
Jan 06 07:03:55 <d^_^B> The N810 has a transflective screen, the N800 doesn't. The N810 screen is much better in sunlight, and also a little brighter. But both screens are _excellent_. They both look superb under the same indoor conditions (although there's a bit more glare on the N810 screen - it's mirroring a bit more than the N800 screen).
Jan 06 07:03:55 <d^_^B> The N810 has an ambient light sensor that automatically adjusts the screen illumination, the N800 doesn't (however the sensor is placed so that for some people it'll end up under your thumb..)
Jan 06 07:04:04 <d^_^B> The N800 has an FM tuner, this was not included in the N810
Jan 06 07:04:04 <d^_^B> The N810 has one mini-SD slot (compatible with micro SD/SDHC as well). The N800 has two full-size SD(HC) slots (compatible with everything in the SD/MMC family).
Jan 06 07:04:04 <d^_^B> Both units have 128MB of RAM and 256MB of internal flash storage
Jan 06 07:04:04 <d^_^B> The N810 has an additional 2GB internal flash area
Jan 06 07:04:11 <d^_^B> The limited-resolution camera on the N810 is fixed at the front, the one on the N800 pops out and can be turned around (front- or back-looking)
Jan 06 07:04:11 <d^_^B> The N810 has a micro-USB connector, the N800 uses mini-USB
Jan 06 07:04:11 <d^_^B> Both units use replacable Nokia phone batteries, although of different types
Jan 06 07:04:18 <d^_^B> Both units are otherwise exactly the same with respect to internal hardware, and software (CPU, DSP, operating system, connectors, stereo speakers, mic etc.)
Jan 06 07:06:01 <d^_^B> :D
Jan 06 07:06:04 <moontiger_> ummmm i think the n810 has a slightly faster clock speed
Jan 06 07:06:09 <keesj> what about battery live? and usb-host support?
Jan 06 07:06:21 <moontiger_> batt life is good on the n810
Jan 06 07:06:26 <moontiger_> usb host support no
Jan 06 07:06:57 <d^_^B> n810 is more better for in the sunlight
Jan 06 07:07:16 <keesj> it2008 does freq scalling but that did not really improve my "off the power charger" time
Jan 06 07:07:35 <d^_^B> well i heard battery life is very better than n800
Jan 06 07:07:47 <keesj> much better that is :p
Jan 06 07:08:27 <keesj> and what about the sound ?n810 setero stuff?
Jan 06 07:09:12 <keesj> and the default package that comes with the n810 ? same stuff . I think I read there was a car mounter piece
Jan 06 07:09:16 <d^_^B> more glare on the N810 screen :D
Jan 06 07:10:32 <d^_^B> yes
Jan 06 07:10:51 <moontiger_> the car mount works good ... the internal gps is a bit slow getting a lock
Jan 06 07:11:07 <moontiger_> i use an external gps with my fone and the n810 and it works great
Jan 06 07:11:21 <moontiger_> i got the full wayfinder nav package and thats very good too
Jan 06 07:11:27 <d^_^B> with this summarize i think n810 is much better than n800
Jan 06 07:11:49 <moontiger_> i havent played with an n800 but from what ive read and seen i think the n810 is much better
Jan 06 07:12:37 <d^_^B> well
Jan 06 07:12:49 <d^_^B> it is newer and fixed the problems on n800
Jan 06 07:13:20 <moontiger_> im more impressed with it after 3 or 4 weeks using it than i thought i would be to be honest
Jan 06 07:21:12 <keesj> moontiger_: talking about n810 or wayfinder?
Jan 06 07:21:13 <moontiger_> i have to go ... laterz
Jan 06 07:21:20 <keesj> bye
Jan 06 07:21:21 <moontiger_> ummmmm the n810
Jan 06 07:21:29 <moontiger_> but wayfinder is very good too
Jan 06 07:21:39 <moontiger_> worth the $100 it costs
Jan 06 07:21:48 <moontiger_> bye :)
Jan 06 07:22:15 <d^_^B> bye
Jan 06 07:26:28 <unique311> bullshit man...
Jan 06 07:27:09 <unique311> i found like one of the best mario world flash games and freaking only playable with an n810
Jan 06 07:29:06 <d^_^B> hi unique311
Jan 06 07:29:14 <unique311> yo
Jan 06 07:29:16 <d^_^B> how are ya friend?
Jan 06 07:29:22 <d^_^B> i am We :D
Jan 06 07:29:22 <unique311> friend
Jan 06 07:29:30 <unique311> don't you mean, internet buddie
Jan 06 07:30:06 <d^_^B> well i have new interviews with C.Y.T. Luca Zeta And ItaloBrothers Soon
Jan 06 07:30:12 <d^_^B> Do U Know Them?
Jan 06 07:30:22 <d^_^B> :D
Jan 06 07:30:23 <unique311> no
Jan 06 07:30:34 <unique311> you want me to watch something.
Jan 06 07:30:37 <unique311> why not just ask.
Jan 06 07:30:47 <unique311> all the how are ya friend is not needed.
Jan 06 07:30:58 <unique311> blogtv?
Jan 06 07:31:03 <unique311> link me
Jan 06 07:31:30 <d^_^B> not ready now
Jan 06 07:31:30 <d^_^B> soon
Jan 06 07:31:36 <unique311> cool
Jan 06 07:31:36 <d^_^B> great italo stars
Jan 06 07:31:44 <unique311> who are these people?
Jan 06 07:31:55 <unique311> link me to the site anyways.
Jan 06 07:32:08 <unique311> i might want to create an account.
Jan 06 07:32:08 <d^_^B> www.ItaloBrothers.de
Jan 06 07:32:48 <d^_^B> C.Y.T. Is Old Dance Scene Artist And The Owner Of Austrian Label www.arcrecords.at
Jan 06 07:32:59 <unique311> cool
Jan 06 07:33:00 <d^_^B> www.lucazeta.com is great italian dj producer
Jan 06 07:33:08 <unique311> i started listening to dance.
Jan 06 07:33:20 <unique311> great fan of benny benassi.
Jan 06 07:33:23 <unique311> like the sound
Jan 06 07:33:33 <d^_^B> my homepage: www.italodancemp3.de.am
Jan 06 07:33:45 <d^_^B> supporting the artists and the labels
Jan 06 07:33:45 <unique311> cool
Jan 06 07:33:52 <unique311> now we friends..lol
Jan 06 07:34:45 <d^_^B> :D
Jan 06 07:34:52 <unique311> so where is this interview taking place?
Jan 06 07:35:21 <d^_^B> you can see new italodance new info cd releases interviews everytime on my homepage
Jan 06 07:35:30 <unique311> k, this is not live.
Jan 06 07:35:59 <unique311> you should check out blogtv, and hold live interviews.
Jan 06 07:36:04 <d^_^B> well they are not ready yet well goes for the nest week but u can read my past interviews
Jan 06 07:36:19 <d^_^B> in the down right site
Jan 06 07:36:44 <unique311> italodancemp3.de.am is not working
Jan 06 07:36:54 <d^_^B> where?
Jan 06 07:37:07 <d^_^B> not working?
Jan 06 07:37:10 <unique311> getting page error.
Jan 06 07:37:19 <d^_^B> use www.italodancemp3.it.tt
Jan 06 07:37:31 <unique311> working now
Jan 06 07:37:47 <unique311> so slow.
Jan 06 07:38:12 <Luria> no one knows if you can hack a n810 screen into a n800?
Jan 06 07:38:25 <d^_^B> or use www.italodancemp3.blogspot.com
Jan 06 07:38:37 <unique311> dude, way too much linkage.
Jan 06 07:39:08 <unique311> all of them seem not to be working for me.
Jan 06 07:39:10 <unique311> lol
Jan 06 07:39:23 <unique311> guess its not meant to be.
Jan 06 07:39:41 <d^_^B> lol why? srange here is ok
Jan 06 07:39:52 <unique311> no www
Jan 06 07:40:02 <unique311> you have to link without www
Jan 06 07:40:22 <d^_^B> italodancemp3.blogspot.com
Jan 06 07:40:35 <d^_^B> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLG,GGLG:2007-39,GGLG:en&q=italodancemp3
Jan 06 07:40:45 <d^_^B> ok????
Jan 06 07:40:59 <d^_^B> www.italodancemp3.tk hehe u can find many domains on google
Jan 06 07:41:19 <unique311> i got it.
Jan 06 07:45:21 <d^_^B> i hate rap black hiphop musicccccccccccc
Jan 06 07:45:54 <unique311> hmmm,  i like rap black hiphop musiccccccccccccc
Jan 06 07:46:04 <unique311> kinda like all sorts of music.
Jan 06 07:46:19 <unique311> if it has a descent beat, i'll listen to it.
Jan 06 07:46:48 <d^_^B> they killed many music genres anyway i never listen to trade music
Jan 06 07:46:55 <unique311> d^_^B, do you like ' rap white hiphop musiccccccccccccc'
Jan 06 07:48:03 <unique311> ?
Jan 06 07:48:06 <d^_^B> totally i don't like black
Jan 06 07:48:18 <d^_^B> white
Jan 06 07:48:27 <d^_^B> umm no for rap hiphop
Jan 06 07:48:42 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 07:48:50 <d^_^B> i only listen to italodance and sometimes to good eurodance and trance
Jan 06 07:49:11 <Fang64> I must be on the other end of the spectrum then lol
Jan 06 07:49:16 <unique311> wow, thats harsh d^_^B
Jan 06 07:49:34 <Fang64> Death Metal, Industrial Metal, and Post Rock
Jan 06 07:49:36 <Luria> anyone here own an eee?
Jan 06 07:49:42 <d^_^B> harsh why>?
Jan 06 07:50:05 <unique311> guess i'm on you don't like list. considering i'm black..  lol
Jan 06 07:50:31 <Fang64> I do listen to a bit of british hiphop, the headache I have with most mainstream rap is
Jan 06 07:50:35 <Fang64> it's rapping about the same things
Jan 06 07:50:36 <d^_^B> are u black skin?
Jan 06 07:50:40 <Fang64> there are a few that are descent
Jan 06 07:50:45 <unique311> lol
Jan 06 07:50:52 <unique311> yes d^_^B
Jan 06 07:50:55 <Fang64> The Roots, Mos Def, Jurrassic 5
Jan 06 07:50:58 <unique311> very black skin
Jan 06 07:51:01 <d^_^B> oh
Jan 06 07:51:04 <unique311> lol
Jan 06 07:51:18 <d^_^B> but we have many black artists on dance scene
Jan 06 07:51:26 <d^_^B> like eddy wata
Jan 06 07:51:33 <unique311> i liike how you put that, "are u a black skin"
Jan 06 07:51:40 <d^_^B> popular artist producer and dancer
Jan 06 07:51:46 <unique311> so thats how they refer to it where you from d^_^B ?
Jan 06 07:51:51 <Fang64> dunno what it is, never really liked trance
Jan 06 07:51:55 <d^_^B> or do u know floorfilla?
Jan 06 07:52:04 <unique311> nope
Jan 06 07:52:13 <unique311> i just got into listening to dance.
Jan 06 07:52:19 <d^_^B> hehehe lol come what may friend
Jan 06 07:52:36 <d^_^B> well i know the artists of mine
Jan 06 07:52:52 <d^_^B> i am always talkimg with them and know them very well
Jan 06 07:53:00 <d^_^B> they are my friends
Jan 06 07:53:05 <d^_^B> but do u know ur artists?
Jan 06 07:53:14 <unique311> i know some.
Jan 06 07:53:36 <d^_^B> are they ur friends? near friends and have talk with them on chat forums emails..........
Jan 06 07:53:57 <unique311> no
Jan 06 07:54:37 <d^_^B> yes dance scene is great but listen PURE DANCE Scene no rap-dance no others.......
Jan 06 07:54:42 <d^_^B> 140 BPM
Jan 06 07:55:07 <unique311> there's a rap dance scene?
Jan 06 07:55:16 <unique311> wow, i didn't know this.
Jan 06 07:55:41 <d^_^B> the pure dance music has a pretty lyrics but look at par lyrics lol
Jan 06 07:55:49 <unique311> i thought dance was a genre.  guess thats broken down into different types..
Jan 06 07:55:51 <d^_^B> *rap lyrics
Jan 06 07:56:02 <unique311> ok
Jan 06 07:56:53 <unique311> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfFrbWYaEWI  is he considered rap dance?
Jan 06 07:57:47 <unique311> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn4ovawULGo&feature=related  better video.
Jan 06 07:57:51 <d^_^B> Angels Never Cry
Jan 06 07:57:56 <d^_^B> CLOSE YOUR EYES
Jan 06 07:57:56 <d^_^B> Angels Never Cry
Jan 06 07:57:56 <d^_^B> CLOSE YOUR EYES
Jan 06 07:57:59 <d^_^B> agg
Jan 06 07:58:08 <d^_^B> Angels Never Cry - CLOSE YOUR EYES
Jan 06 07:58:22 <d^_^B> one of my best song
Jan 06 07:58:44 <d^_^B> LYRICS:
Jan 06 07:58:49 <d^_^B> [Whispered Voice]
Jan 06 07:58:49 <d^_^B> Close Your Eyes
Jan 06 07:58:54 <d^_^B> Angels Never Cry
Jan 06 07:58:54 <d^_^B> [VERSES]
Jan 06 07:58:55 <unique311> no not in here....
Jan 06 07:58:59 <d^_^B> We are not alone
Jan 06 07:58:59 <d^_^B> ‘Cause of you there’s none
Jan 06 07:59:00 <d^_^B> Left to tell in words
Jan 06 07:59:04 <d^_^B> Can’t you see me torn?
Jan 06 07:59:04 <d^_^B> If you play the dice
Jan 06 07:59:05 <unique311> way off topics already.
Jan 06 07:59:10 <d^_^B> Where is our life?
Jan 06 07:59:10 <d^_^B> Only ask you why
Jan 06 07:59:10 <d^_^B> You’re still in my mind
Jan 06 07:59:12 <unique311> d^_^B, stop
Jan 06 07:59:17 <d^_^B> [BRIDGE]
Jan 06 07:59:17 <d^_^B> Do you know if it’s real?
Jan 06 07:59:17 <d^_^B> I see that you are here
Jan 06 07:59:22 <d^_^B> I’m the man you have damned
Jan 06 07:59:22 <d^_^B> I’m the door you have slammed
Jan 06 07:59:22 <d^_^B> [REFRAIN]
Jan 06 07:59:26 <d^_^B> You never trust the night
Jan 06 07:59:26 <d^_^B> You can’t control the time
Jan 06 07:59:30 <d^_^B> You fight to get some more
Jan 06 07:59:30 <d^_^B> But should just trust in love
Jan 06 07:59:32 <d^_^B> And when you close your eyes
Jan 06 07:59:32 <unique311> k, i'm done. peace.
Jan 06 07:59:35 <d^_^B> Why can’t I hold you tight?
Jan 06 07:59:37 <d^_^B> It’s something you can’t hide
Jan 06 07:59:41 <d^_^B> It’s you and I
Jan 06 07:59:41 <d^_^B> And when it seems too late
Jan 06 07:59:45 <d^_^B> For your sweet dreams to save
Jan 06 07:59:45 <d^_^B> You will see me in your mind
Jan 06 07:59:49 <Fang64> spam chat
Jan 06 07:59:50 <d^_^B> I’m gonna make you mine
Jan 06 07:59:50 <d^_^B> Then please don’t say goodbye
Jan 06 07:59:52 <d^_^B> Don’t’ wanna see you cry
Jan 06 07:59:52 <Fang64> that will be a ban
Jan 06 07:59:55 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 07:59:55 <d^_^B> Just try to save this while
Jan 06 07:59:56 <d^_^B> It’s you and I
Jan 06 07:59:58 <d^_^B> [VERSES]
Jan 06 07:59:59 <unique311> dude stop
Jan 06 08:00:00 <d^_^B> It’s in your sad smile
Jan 06 08:00:02 <d^_^B> Some stars in your eyes
Jan 06 08:00:06 <d^_^B> Nothing to be told
Jan 06 08:00:08 <d^_^B> You forget my world
Jan 06 08:00:11 <Fang64> wow, he's not very smart doing that
Jan 06 08:00:11 <d^_^B> When you feel so lost
Jan 06 08:00:12 <d^_^B> Memoirs full of ghosts
Jan 06 08:00:14 <d^_^B> Trying to make you lie
Jan 06 08:00:15 <d^_^B> ‘Cause my love won’t die
Jan 06 08:00:16 <unique311> lol
Jan 06 08:00:18 <d^_^B> [BRIDGE]
Jan 06 08:00:22 <d^_^B> I don’t know what you mean
Jan 06 08:00:24 <d^_^B> You are closed in my dreams
Jan 06 08:00:26 <d^_^B> You’re my love for all life
Jan 06 08:00:27 <unique311> stop
Jan 06 08:00:28 <d^_^B> Which lasts only a long night
Jan 06 08:00:28 <Fang64> or did you cut and paste all the lyrics lol
Jan 06 08:00:30 <d^_^B> REFRAIN]
Jan 06 08:00:32 <d^_^B> You never trust the night
Jan 06 08:00:33 <Fang64> mirc won't quick
Jan 06 08:00:34 <d^_^B> You can’t control the time
Jan 06 08:00:36 <d^_^B> You fight to get some more
Jan 06 08:00:40 <d^_^B> But should just trust in love
Jan 06 08:00:42 <d^_^B> And when you close your eyes
Jan 06 08:00:44 <d^_^B> Why can’t I hold you tight?
Jan 06 08:00:45 <Fang64> quit*
Jan 06 08:00:46 <d^_^B> It’s something you can’t hide
Jan 06 08:00:48 <d^_^B> It’s you and I
Jan 06 08:00:50 <d^_^B> And when it seems too late
Jan 06 08:00:52 <d^_^B> For your sweet dreams to save
Jan 06 08:00:56 <d^_^B> You will see me in your mind
Jan 06 08:00:58 <d^_^B> I’m gonna make you mine
Jan 06 08:01:00 <d^_^B> Then please don’t say goodbye
Jan 06 08:01:06 <d^_^B> Don’t’ wanna see you cry
Jan 06 08:01:06 <d^_^B> Just try to save this while
Jan 06 08:01:06 <d^_^B> It’s you and I
Jan 06 08:01:08 <d^_^B> [VERSES]
Jan 06 08:01:09 <unique311> can't kick him
Jan 06 08:01:10 <d^_^B> Clocks in everyone
Jan 06 08:01:13 <d^_^B> Minutes one by one
Jan 06 08:01:14 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:01:16 <d^_^B> When you feel so fine
Jan 06 08:01:18 <d^_^B> You must close your eyes
Jan 06 08:01:20 <d^_^B> Never waist frail whiles
Jan 06 08:01:22 <d^_^B> From your fears you hide
Jan 06 08:01:22 <unique311> still going
Jan 06 08:01:23 <unique311> lol
Jan 06 08:01:23 <d^_^B> Know I am you’re man
Jan 06 08:01:25 <Fang64> omg
Jan 06 08:01:26 <d^_^B> Trust and seize my hand
Jan 06 08:01:29 <d^_^B> [OUTRO]
Jan 06 08:01:32 <d^_^B> I don’t know where we go
Jan 06 08:01:33 <d^_^B> In a dream that we saw
Jan 06 08:01:36 <d^_^B> Hand in hand we can fly
Jan 06 08:01:37 <d^_^B> To a land where you’re mine
Jan 06 08:01:39 <unique311> oh yeah it is dance.
Jan 06 08:01:42 <d^_^B> sorry it was auto
Jan 06 08:01:43 <unique311> 10 minute songs
Jan 06 08:01:44 <d^_^B> very sorry
Jan 06 08:01:52 <d^_^B> but read it please then tell me ur opinion
Jan 06 08:01:55 <unique311> dude never do that in here
Jan 06 08:01:56 <Fang64> just out of curiousity what kind of rap do you listen to unique311
Jan 06 08:02:16 <unique311> doesn't matter....like i stated a little while ago.
Jan 06 08:02:16 <Fang64> best to do private message X.x
Jan 06 08:02:33 <unique311> if it has a good enough beat for me to move my head to.
Jan 06 08:02:37 <unique311> i'll listen to it.
Jan 06 08:03:02 <Fang64> just curious I find the lyrics annoying in alot of it
Jan 06 08:03:08 <unique311> d^_^B, next time use pastebin.ca or PM
Jan 06 08:03:25 <unique311> thats every music genre
Jan 06 08:03:29 <unique311> not only hip hop
Jan 06 08:03:32 <Fang64> true
Jan 06 08:03:44 <Fang64> then again alot of people find what I listen to quite offensive lol
Jan 06 08:03:50 <unique311> heh
Jan 06 08:04:01 <Fang64> then again not all death metal is reflected by Cannibal Corpse
Jan 06 08:04:11 <unique311> sometimes i don't even listen to the tune for the lyrics
Jan 06 08:04:14 <Fang64> or so on controversal death metal
Jan 06 08:04:17 <unique311> actually thats most of the time.
Jan 06 08:04:21 <Fang64> post rock is more fun because of that
Jan 06 08:04:24 <unique311> the beat alone does it for me.
Jan 06 08:04:25 <Fang64> no lyrics
Jan 06 08:04:34 <unique311> k, with rock
Jan 06 08:04:42 <Fang64> post rock can cross into industrial tecno a bit
Jan 06 08:04:48 <unique311> i can listen to a guitar solo, or a drum solo and be happy.
Jan 06 08:04:58 <Fang64> 64daysofstatic is a good example
Jan 06 08:05:01 <Fang64> 65*
Jan 06 08:05:15 <Fang64> ah
Jan 06 08:05:17 <Fang64> ever heard of Example?
Jan 06 08:05:23 <unique311> nah.
Jan 06 08:05:41 <Fang64> it's about the only rap I've been listening to lately
Jan 06 08:05:56 <Fang64> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOOl08NQWU8
Jan 06 08:05:59 <Fang64> check that out
Jan 06 08:06:08 <unique311> cool
Jan 06 08:06:29 <unique311> thats another thing i don't understand.
Jan 06 08:06:49 <unique311> hiphop is really hated, everyone knows this.
Jan 06 08:07:09 <Fang64> he filmed it in Chernobyl and i think it shows rap can be constructive
Jan 06 08:07:14 <Fang64> taking quite alot of risk
Jan 06 08:07:42 <Fang64> The Streets is another rapper I like both in the british hip-hop/rap scene
Jan 06 08:07:50 <unique311> take a look at the billboards tops of the year charts from the 60s to  now.
Jan 06 08:07:50 <Fang64> well Mike Skinner lol
Jan 06 08:07:57 <Fang64> indeed
Jan 06 08:08:21 <unique311> hiphop is all over the billboard charts now
Jan 06 08:09:01 <unique311> if its not there alone, its mixed with another genre and called a remix. lol
Jan 06 08:09:07 <Fang64> you got a point
Jan 06 08:09:35 <Fang64> rock and metal are trying to hold on though
Jan 06 08:09:50 <unique311> rock and metal is not going anywhere.
Jan 06 08:10:04 <Fang64> unless it's a sell out
Jan 06 08:10:07 <Fang64> nickelback lol
Jan 06 08:10:09 <unique311> mtv won't let that happen.
Jan 06 08:10:10 <unique311> lol
Jan 06 08:10:23 <Fang64> *cough cough*
Jan 06 08:10:41 <Fang64> well your real metal bands succeed over seas
Jan 06 08:10:42 <unique311> that was a cool tune. by example.
Jan 06 08:10:45 <Fang64> in sweden etc.
Jan 06 08:10:50 <Fang64> he has a good album out
Jan 06 08:10:59 <Fang64> quite impressive for a college student in fulham
Jan 06 08:11:16 <unique311> hiphop over here in the states i think was heading that route.
Jan 06 08:11:19 <Fang64> lol he used a pirated copy of Cubase to get started with his buddy rusher
Jan 06 08:11:31 <Fang64> it tried too
Jan 06 08:11:31 <unique311> but money is not in talking righteous.
Jan 06 08:11:48 <unique311> contraversy sells records
Jan 06 08:11:50 <unique311> beef
Jan 06 08:11:52 <Fang64> Dave Chapelle put on a show for those few who had some righteous language
Jan 06 08:11:58 <unique311> yes
Jan 06 08:12:02 <Fang64> Bloc Party was awesome
Jan 06 08:12:03 <unique311> ur mos defs
Jan 06 08:12:06 <unique311> talib
Jan 06 08:12:08 <unique311> common
Jan 06 08:12:09 <Fang64> indeed
Jan 06 08:12:12 <unique311> roots
Jan 06 08:12:15 <Luria> crap, modest is going nuts again
Jan 06 08:12:23 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:12:38 <Luria> anyone have modest installed?
Jan 06 08:12:46 <unique311> mail client?
Jan 06 08:12:51 <Luria> yeah
Jan 06 08:12:54 <unique311> why not use the default.  ??
Jan 06 08:12:55 <Fang64> Lupe Fiasco looks like he might be in that crowd, uhmm I haven't had any trouble
Jan 06 08:13:01 <Fang64> from Modest
Jan 06 08:13:03 <Fang64> I'm using it
Jan 06 08:13:13 <Luria> cause of imap-idle
Jan 06 08:13:13 <Fang64> what's it doing?
Jan 06 08:13:22 <Fang64> oh your using imap don't have that setup
Jan 06 08:13:30 <Fang64> still usng pop3
Jan 06 08:13:45 <Luria> i have this terrible bug where the mail notification goes nuts for 5 minutes
Jan 06 08:13:48 <Fang64> accessing gmail?
Jan 06 08:14:03 <Luria> even when not using the default client
Jan 06 08:14:08 <Fang64> uhm
Jan 06 08:14:09 <Fang64> odd
Jan 06 08:14:13 <Luria> no, dreamhost
Jan 06 08:14:34 <Luria> it beeps on *every* message, read or unread
Jan 06 08:14:39 <Fang64> I heard that modest doesn't update reads on mail or is that the default client I am confusing with
Jan 06 08:14:45 <Fang64> at least on imap
Jan 06 08:14:49 <Fang64> so it ends up leaving notifications
Jan 06 08:14:54 <Luria> once every day or two
Jan 06 08:15:59 <Fang64> dunno I would check into that
Jan 06 08:16:08 <Luria> so the nokia starts beeping like mad and becomes really slow
Jan 06 08:16:13 <Fang64> it's either the default client that has the bug or the modest client
Jan 06 08:16:17 <Fang64> it's listed as a known issue
Jan 06 08:16:28 <Fang64> (the reason I'm not using imap on gmail yet)
Jan 06 08:16:34 <Luria> ah
Jan 06 08:16:45 <Luria> but pop blows :-)
Jan 06 08:16:48 <Fang64> yah
Jan 06 08:16:49 <Fang64> I know
Jan 06 08:16:53 <Luria> and is usually insecure
Jan 06 08:16:54 <Fang64> pop does blow lol
Jan 06 08:17:02 <Fang64> well gmail is secured
Jan 06 08:17:07 <Fang64> with ssl stack
Jan 06 08:17:18 <Fang64> that's a minor improvement
Jan 06 08:17:33 <Luria> creditials or the whole session?
Jan 06 08:18:44 <Fang64> the creditials
Jan 06 08:18:51 <Fang64> I can see your point
Jan 06 08:19:07 <Fang64> credentials*
Jan 06 08:19:08 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:19:24 <Luria> er yeah, sp
Jan 06 08:19:43 <Luria> but im on my tiny BT keyboard, so i'm entitled
Jan 06 08:19:53 <Fang64> I don't have anything critical
Jan 06 08:20:08 <Fang64> at least secure that I worry about
Jan 06 08:20:40 <Luria> yeah, but i believe in security. plus there are dumb merchants that email private data.
Jan 06 08:20:56 <Fang64> ah, I have a seperate email account I use for that on my main desktop
Jan 06 08:21:18 <Luria> bad enough it's sent smtp, but do i have to collect all the data in one place for an attacker?
Jan 06 08:21:32 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:21:51 <Fang64> my main email is used for one purpose
Jan 06 08:21:53 <Fang64> communication
Jan 06 08:22:14 <Fang64> my other email is used for purchases and important information
Jan 06 08:22:21 <Fang64> PGP etc etc.
Jan 06 08:22:47 <Luria> still, not everyone has the benefit of such discrete separation
Jan 06 08:22:54 <Fang64> true
Jan 06 08:23:09 <Fang64> I had this setup from the get go though
Jan 06 08:23:21 <Fang64> I have a lack of faith in much of the email system in general
Jan 06 08:23:42 <Luria> that and the lack of an abiword build for chinook are my two problems
Jan 06 08:23:58 <Fang64> uhm that could be a problem
Jan 06 08:24:02 <Fang64> dual boot lol
Jan 06 08:24:02 <Fang64> ?
Jan 06 08:24:16 <Luria> i need to get around to rebuilding a x-compile machine
Jan 06 08:24:19 <Fang64> that is a major headache
Jan 06 08:24:32 <Luria> yeah, thats why it never gets done
Jan 06 08:24:56 <Luria> there is a headless p4r/1.4 debian box sitting on my network
Jan 06 08:25:06 <Luria> doing nothing but drawing power.
Jan 06 08:25:11 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:25:16 <Luria> otoh, it has great uptime.
Jan 06 08:25:42 <Fang64> I used to run a few sparcstations headless
Jan 06 08:25:46 <Fang64> till I sold them to a local ISP
Jan 06 08:25:59 <Fang64> I got one sitting around doing nothing
Jan 06 08:26:01 <Luria> cause when im home, i want to play games, and when im away, i dont feel like vpn/vnc on my n800
Jan 06 08:26:12 <Luria> i have a sparc 5 pizza box too
Jan 06 08:26:18 <Fang64> hehe
Jan 06 08:26:26 <Fang64> yup those things are fun
Jan 06 08:26:38 <Luria> i inherited it from a buddy who left nj for vt
Jan 06 08:26:54 <Fang64> mine were purchased from an Aircraft building company
Jan 06 08:26:57 <Fang64> I got them at 50 bucks a pop
Jan 06 08:26:58 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:26:59 <Luria> its been on only to have solaris installed and then i havent used it
Jan 06 08:27:15 <Fang64> ended up selling them to a local ISP
Jan 06 08:27:18 <Fang64> who wanted them really badly
Jan 06 08:27:20 <Luria> mostly because i dont have a long enough ethernet cable
Jan 06 08:27:21 <Fang64> I was using them
Jan 06 08:27:35 <Luria> ha - this box lived the reverse life
Jan 06 08:27:44 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:27:49 <Luria> my buddy moved into a loft in hoboken
Jan 06 08:27:58 <Luria> it was a failed local isp
Jan 06 08:28:08 <Fang64> wow what a coincidence lol
Jan 06 08:28:11 <Luria> he kept the machines, left and gave them to me
Jan 06 08:28:44 <Luria> i got a nextslab, quadra, the first g3, and the sparc
Jan 06 08:29:02 <Fang64> nice
Jan 06 08:29:15 <Fang64> I never went the mac route so I can say I've only owned one mac
Jan 06 08:29:19 <Fang64> and it was a intel mac
Jan 06 08:29:25 <Luria> oh and a netfinity server
Jan 06 08:29:26 <Fang64> that was recent purchase though
Jan 06 08:29:36 <Luria> i dislike macs
Jan 06 08:29:38 <Fang64> same
Jan 06 08:29:57 <Luria> i have a few hacker friends who love them, and they have legit reasons
Jan 06 08:30:03 <Fang64> I have a proliant server with 2 Pentium Pros in it somewhere
Jan 06 08:30:15 <Fang64> packing around 8gb of ram
Jan 06 08:30:15 <Luria> but most mac users are dicks
Jan 06 08:30:33 <Fang64> ah the only people I know who use the macs are for hackish reasons
Jan 06 08:30:45 <Fang64> the rest I could uh ignore lol for sanity reasons
Jan 06 08:30:48 <Luria> actually, the netfinity is nice - its a dual p3, but i dont have the damn kvm cable
Jan 06 08:30:53 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:30:59 <Fang64> my proliants are headless
Jan 06 08:31:25 <Fang64> they have about 4 ethernet ports one seperate for a console connection ( the video comes through a webbrowser )
Jan 06 08:31:29 <Luria> but it makes a nice brushed steel table extension for the monitor and speakers for my ubuntu box
Jan 06 08:31:39 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:31:48 <Fang64> I setup an oscar with them for fun
Jan 06 08:32:02 <Fang64> one of them caught fire ( dunno how really )
Jan 06 08:32:10 <Fang64> they were in a machineshop though lol
Jan 06 08:32:16 <Luria> uhhhh
Jan 06 08:32:17 <Fang64> probably had grease or something in them
Jan 06 08:32:20 <Luria> yeah
Jan 06 08:32:33 <Fang64> I would have cleaned them out but at the time
Jan 06 08:32:38 <Fang64> I wanted to find a use for them
Jan 06 08:32:40 <Fang64> that was a fail
Jan 06 08:32:40 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:32:44 <Luria> ive only cause two computers to smoke in my life
Jan 06 08:32:58 <Fang64> <-- only caused those used servers to catch fire
Jan 06 08:32:59 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:33:07 <Luria> in 24 years of computing
Jan 06 08:33:14 <Fang64> ah not that old yet
Jan 06 08:33:34 <Fang64> I've had about 12~14 years with computers
Jan 06 08:33:36 <Luria> one was a compaq 4/66 running open
Jan 06 08:33:49 <Fang64> I was put in front of one when I was a kid so I was a bit forced
Jan 06 08:33:59 <Luria> me too
Jan 06 08:34:14 <Luria> only i was in front of an apple II+
Jan 06 08:34:27 <Fang64> started using them when I was 7~8
Jan 06 08:34:31 <Luria> or an IIe, i dont recall offhand
Jan 06 08:34:38 <Fang64> I started on a Commadore 64 lol
Jan 06 08:34:57 <Fang64> learned basic
Jan 06 08:35:13 <Luria> no logo? :-)
Jan 06 08:35:16 <Fang64> moved up to a AT&T machine a 286 with a 120mb hard drive
Jan 06 08:35:18 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:35:32 <Fang64> which was impressive to me at the time
Jan 06 08:35:34 <Fang64> ?
Jan 06 08:35:45 <Fang64> no it was a real Commadore 64
Jan 06 08:35:54 <Fang64> it was a christmas gift to me
Jan 06 08:35:55 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:36:07 <Luria> wow, my first x86 was a 286 hand me down with a double height 20mb drive
Jan 06 08:36:15 <Luria> no, LOGO
Jan 06 08:36:23 <Fang64> this one came from a auction
Jan 06 08:36:25 <Luria> damn, now i feel old
Jan 06 08:36:26 <Fang64> didn't no much about it
Jan 06 08:36:39 <Fang64> just loaded up dos
Jan 06 08:36:40 <Fang64> and went with it
Jan 06 08:36:41 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:36:41 <Luria> a turtle, lisp like commands?
Jan 06 08:36:47 <Fang64> nope
Jan 06 08:36:54 <Fang64> blue AT&T logo lol
Jan 06 08:36:59 <Luria> go wikipedia it
Jan 06 08:37:02 <Fang64> k
Jan 06 08:37:10 <Luria> no, logo is a programming language
Jan 06 08:37:23 <Fang64> I definitely don't know what that is
Jan 06 08:37:23 <Luria> used to be very popular to teach to kids
Jan 06 08:37:42 <Fang64> I kind of stuck with basic till my brother talked me into learning Assembly
Jan 06 08:37:53 <Fang64> ah
Jan 06 08:37:56 <Dr_Loh1> _
Jan 06 08:37:57 <Fang64> never even heard of it
Jan 06 08:38:16 <d^_^B> Is There someone From Dubai/UAE?
Jan 06 08:38:34 <Luria> sorry, no one that rich here.
Jan 06 08:38:35 <Fang64> uh not me
Jan 06 08:38:49 <Luria> we'd be in #oqo, not #maemo
Jan 06 08:38:54 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:39:00 <Luria> *chuckle*
Jan 06 08:39:24 <d^_^B> l.o.l
Jan 06 08:40:22 <Luria> actually, if i take a job i'm considering, i may get an oqo
Jan 06 08:40:40 <Luria> or a flipstart
Jan 06 08:41:59 <Fang64> interesting
Jan 06 08:42:03 <Fang64> never knew about LOGO
Jan 06 08:42:07 <trickie> does anyone know if there is a maemo package of elfutils anywhere?
Jan 06 08:42:34 <Luria> dunno, there's no real reason to teach it
Jan 06 08:42:42 <Luria> just teach kids python
Jan 06 08:42:48 <Fang64> ah
Jan 06 08:43:00 <trickie> i been trying to compile systemtap in the ARMEL target of scratchbox... and im having trouble getting elfutils to compile
Jan 06 08:43:07 <Fang64> python isn't that hard to learn though at least coming from c++
Jan 06 08:43:20 <Fang64> btw the assembly I know is about useless anyway
Jan 06 08:43:30 <melmoth> trickie: i think there s already a "port" of systemtap for maemo
Jan 06 08:43:48 <Luria> yes, c++ is the best
Jan 06 08:43:49 <Fang64> it's for the TMS370 specifically ( mainly used for Direct TV)
Jan 06 08:44:06 <Fang64> I quit that mess after I discovered what I was doing was quite illegal lol
Jan 06 08:44:21 <Luria> im a bit ashamed i never learned assembly
Jan 06 08:44:31 <Luria> maybe ill take up arm programming
Jan 06 08:44:48 <Fang64> well I was kind of talked into learning I think my brother knew what it could be used for
Jan 06 08:44:59 <trickie> melmoth, any pointers on where to look... i already have a kernel with kprobes built and flashed
Jan 06 08:45:02 <Fang64> decrypting television feeds lol
Jan 06 08:45:08 <Luria> nice
Jan 06 08:45:13 <melmoth> http://www.nabble.com/Kprobes-and-Maemo-%28N800%29-to11540348.html
Jan 06 08:45:14 <Fang64> useless now since they don't even use that chip anymore lol
Jan 06 08:45:28 <melmoth> trickie: that s the best link i found :-(
Jan 06 08:45:36 <Fang64> although I like C++
Jan 06 08:45:50 <Luria> if anyone has a functioning dev box handy,  would you mind doing: http://www.cleardefinition.com/page/Build_AbiWord_for_Maemo/
Jan 06 08:46:55 <trickie> melmoth, yeah, i followed that to get a new kernel built... i have the latest kprobes for arm included
Jan 06 08:47:06 <trickie> i just need to get systemtap compiled in scratchbox
Jan 06 08:47:07 <Luria> Fang64, whats nice is, you can just code c and bother with classes if you want them
Jan 06 08:47:30 <trickie> oh well, maybe i just keep playing and see if i can get  a .deb for others as well
Jan 06 08:47:36 <Fang64> lol
Jan 06 08:47:37 <Fang64> yah
Jan 06 08:47:53 <melmoth> trickie: i know nothing about system tap on maemo, i just know the guy who used to play with it :)
Jan 06 08:48:21 <trickie> melmoth, sure... its a bit of black art at the moment
Jan 06 08:48:51 <trickie> i'll see what i can do... maybe write it all up on maemo.org wiki page if i get somewhere
Jan 06 08:49:42 <trickie> Luria, you need someone to test out that build?
Jan 06 08:50:51 <Luria> i would appreciate someone doing that - ill risk the install :-)
Jan 06 08:51:32 <trickie> ill see what i can do... any particular location to get the source for libfribidi0 and libwv
Jan 06 08:51:40 <trickie> ?
Jan 06 08:52:18 <Luria> not offhand.
Jan 06 08:52:21 <Luria> :-/
Jan 06 08:52:30 <trickie> k
Jan 06 08:54:08 <Luria> i just havent seen anyone make a deb from those instructions and i havent had the time or opportunity to build a dev box
Jan 06 08:54:50 <trickie> okay, my debian packaging skills are a little rusty... haven't done it in a while
Jan 06 08:55:11 <trickie> do people use any of the armel packages in debian sid?
Jan 06 08:55:35 <Luria> outside of cli stuff, is that possible?
Jan 06 08:55:42 <trickie> im not sure
Jan 06 08:55:48 <trickie> but would be handy if so...
Jan 06 08:56:00 <trickie> im mainly intersted in libs...
Jan 06 08:56:22 <Luria> or a good way to find oneself in dependancy hell
Jan 06 08:56:34 <Luria> :-)
Jan 06 08:56:35 <trickie> yeah thats the prob i think
Jan 06 08:56:43 <atlas_n810> Hello
Jan 06 08:57:07 <atlas_n810> What is the best client for my imap account?
Jan 06 08:57:14 <Luria> you know if there is any work on an angstrom "port" for the ITs
Jan 06 08:57:24 <Luria> atlas_n810, you missed it :-)
Jan 06 08:57:34 <Luria> depends what you want
Jan 06 08:57:36 <atlas_n810> Modest and default client take long long time
Jan 06 08:58:03 <atlas_n810> I must check with pop3?
Jan 06 08:58:14 <atlas_n810> Is it faster?
Jan 06 08:58:18 <Luria> modest is great but buggy, default blows but works (for inbox only) and
Jan 06 08:58:38 <trickie> Luria, whats angstrom?
Jan 06 08:58:50 <Luria> then there is clawsmail, which is great, but more of a desktop style app
Jan 06 08:59:01 <atlas_n810> Yes
Jan 06 08:59:08 <Luria> and must be running to give incoming notifications
Jan 06 08:59:12 <atlas_n810> I have test it too
Jan 06 08:59:21 <Luria> those are the three gui options
Jan 06 08:59:23 <atlas_n810> It is for dedktop :s
Jan 06 08:59:52 <trickie> i saw there is an alpine port for maemo
Jan 06 08:59:56 <Luria> http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/
Jan 06 09:00:02 <trickie> if you like cli style mail apps
Jan 06 09:00:38 <atlas_n810> I like cli but no on my tabletpc :(
Jan 06 09:01:02 <atlas_n810> I have lot of mail but range by folder with imap
Jan 06 09:01:03 <Luria> i used the predecessor of angstrom on my zaurus
Jan 06 09:01:17 <Luria> claws mail is very fast
Jan 06 09:01:42 <Luria> well, much faster  than the others
Jan 06 09:01:53 <atlas_n810> Yes,so modest must use the same technology i hope :p
Jan 06 09:02:22 <trickie> http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromAndN800
Jan 06 09:02:22 <atlas_n810> Ok thx for this luria
Jan 06 09:02:32 <Luria> np
Jan 06 09:02:35 <Luria> hth
Jan 06 09:02:38 <trickie> modest uses tinymail
Jan 06 09:03:00 <atlas_n810> Another thing,about msn..
Jan 06 09:03:11 <atlas_n810> I don't want to use pidgin
Jan 06 09:03:22 <atlas_n810> I use telepathy plugin
Jan 06 09:03:41 <Luria> i havent tried it yet
Jan 06 09:03:49 <atlas_n810> If someone speak to me this work
Jan 06 09:03:52 <Luria> oh cool
Jan 06 09:03:54 <Luria> http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/AngstromAndN800
Jan 06 09:04:18 <Luria> trickie, take a look
Jan 06 09:04:38 <atlas_n810> But for the moment (just for the moment i hope) we can't see who is online etc :(
Jan 06 09:04:59 <Luria> no touchscreen is a bit of a deal breaker tho
Jan 06 09:06:07 <atlas95> could you repast the link Luria please :D
Jan 06 09:06:14 <Luria> which?
Jan 06 09:06:21 <atlas95> cli app ..
Jan 06 09:06:27 <atlas95> angstrom
Jan 06 09:06:33 <d^_^B> guys
Jan 06 09:06:38 <Luria> angstrom isnt a cli app
Jan 06 09:06:43 <d^_^B> divx xvid files can work on n810?
Jan 06 09:06:56 <Luria> its an embedded linux distro
Jan 06 09:06:58 <d^_^B> ....
Jan 06 09:07:03 <atlas95> ho ok :D:
Jan 06 09:07:15 <Luria> there was another conversation going on :-)
Jan 06 09:07:19 <d^_^B> divx xvid files can work on n810? yes?
Jan 06 09:07:26 <trickie> Luria, yeah no touchscreen is no good
Jan 06 09:07:48 <Luria> xvids are ok, provided you encode them right
Jan 06 09:08:02 <Luria> and better with mplayer, typically
Jan 06 09:08:18 <trickie> d^_^B, http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html
Jan 06 09:08:24 <trickie> id use that to convert them first
Jan 06 09:08:39 <d^_^B> yes cos i read:
Jan 06 09:08:43 <Luria> i like how they have a e17 wm version
Jan 06 09:08:47 <d^_^B> Here's the same clip from the Google Video window shown above it. It's not perfectly smooth but the capacity is impressive nonetheless. There's still no native support for DivX or XviD, but Nokia is giving us a free download to take care of that: Video Converter. Expect a video demonstration of that application on this blog within a week.
Jan 06 09:08:47 <d^_^B> WRONG?
Jan 06 09:09:43 <d^_^B> or it is only for internet google videos
Jan 06 09:09:49 <atlas95> tablet-encode don't work for me, i use a personnal ffmpg script
Jan 06 09:10:07 <d^_^B> infact if i put a divx movie then can it work on n810?
Jan 06 09:10:21 <atlas95> if you use nautilus action I can send you a script
Jan 06 09:10:43 <Luria> i use tablet encode, but i used to use virtualdub
Jan 06 09:10:44 <trickie> d^_^B, i have never used the nokia video converter, so i do not know
Jan 06 09:11:01 <atlas95> beurk windows user :p
Jan 06 09:11:08 <Luria> the community one is great tho
Jan 06 09:11:57 <d^_^B> Supported video formats: 3GP, AVI..............finally N810 can play Avi files or no?
Jan 06 09:12:12 <Luria> but if i want to do anything more than just adapt the bitrate, i go with virtualdub
Jan 06 09:12:18 <d^_^B> Avi = Divx = Xvid
Jan 06 09:12:25 <Luria> 3gp never works
Jan 06 09:12:33 <AD-N770> avi it's only  container
Jan 06 09:12:47 <Luria> no, avi is a container, xvid is a mpeg4r codec
Jan 06 09:12:50 <AD-N770> depends on the codec and the size of the video
Jan 06 09:13:13 <Luria> heh. favorite geek quibble.
Jan 06 09:13:29 <d^_^B> trickie my mean is not for the nokia video converter i said about this file on n810
Jan 06 09:13:37 <Luria> never say die! (or ogg)
Jan 06 09:14:07 <Luria> smokey time
Jan 06 09:14:15 <trickie> d^_^B, well tablet-encode has managed to re-encode everything i have thrown at it
Jan 06 09:14:21 <trickie> and the result ran on my n800
Jan 06 09:14:27 <trickie> Luria, agreed
Jan 06 09:14:28 <trickie> bbs
Jan 06 09:14:30 <d^_^B> MPEG-1, MPEG-4 codec are available in n810
Jan 06 09:15:03 <Luria> why would you use mpeg1 on an IT?
Jan 06 09:15:28 <Luria> thats like flac on earbuds
Jan 06 09:15:32 <d^_^B> EXAMPLE THIS NEW RELEASES The.Brave.One.DVDRIp.XviD-NeDiVx CAN WORK ON N810?
Jan 06 09:15:56 <atlas_n810> Reencode it§
Jan 06 09:16:12 <atlas_n810> For win space and speed the play
Jan 06 09:16:19 <d^_^B> or Good.Luck.Chuck.UNRATED.DVDRip.XviD-DiAMOND
Jan 06 09:16:23 <atlas_n810> Resize it
Jan 06 09:16:32 <d^_^B> ° ViDEO : 812 kbps xvid ÞÛ²Ý
Jan 06 09:16:32 <d^_^B> °°° AUDiO : 146 kbps mp3 Þ²ÛÝ
Jan 06 09:16:32 <d^_^B> °²² RESOLUTiON : 560x320 (1.750:1) ÞÛÛÝ
Jan 06 09:16:52 <atlas_n810> And use mpg4 for video and mp3 for sound,15fps
Jan 06 09:17:00 <d^_^B> can it work? or no without any video converter just put it on n810
Jan 06 09:17:10 <atlas_n810> I reduce by 3 the size
Jan 06 09:17:52 <d^_^B> my mean is native play and without any convert
Jan 06 09:18:03 <d^_^B> possible or no?
Jan 06 09:18:46 <d^_^B> ?
Jan 06 09:19:22 <atlas_n810> Read.......
Jan 06 09:19:23 <d^_^B> hellooo
Jan 06 09:19:56 <AD-N770> try it
Jan 06 09:20:08 <d^_^B> atlas_n810
Jan 06 09:20:16 <d^_^B> well do u have a new n810 yes?
Jan 06 09:20:30 <d^_^B> tell me have u ever watched it?
Jan 06 09:20:51 <d^_^B> put a movie like Good.Luck.Chuck.UNRATED.DVDRip.XviD-DiAMOND and watch it?
Jan 06 09:21:01 <atlas_n810> I encode All my video !
Jan 06 09:21:09 <d^_^B> my mean is native and original play on n810 and without any tools or converter
Jan 06 09:21:16 <atlas_n810> I have allready say you what i have watch
Jan 06 09:21:19 <d^_^B> encode with what?
Jan 06 09:21:24 <atlas_n810> Encoded video encoded video
Jan 06 09:21:27 <atlas_n810> Handly
Jan 06 09:21:47 <atlas_n810> With a personnal script undr linux
Jan 06 09:21:51 <d^_^B> i got it
Jan 06 09:21:55 <atlas_n810> Understand guy?
Jan 06 09:22:02 <d^_^B> cool
Jan 06 09:22:04 <d^_^B> yes
Jan 06 09:22:15 <d^_^B> so i just need to put this script to n810?
Jan 06 09:22:27 <AD-N770> no
Jan 06 09:22:33 <atlas_n810> No on your linux distrib
Jan 06 09:22:53 <atlas_n810> Use a windows converter if you use xp or vixta..
Jan 06 09:22:55 <AD-N770> you have to use your desktop to transcode the videos before coping it to your IT
Jan 06 09:23:00 <d^_^B> so where?
Jan 06 09:23:09 <atlas_n810> nokia provide a program,ask to windows user sry
Jan 06 09:23:24 <d^_^B> yes understand now
Jan 06 09:23:38 <d^_^B> another video converter
Jan 06 09:23:43 <d^_^B> but are u agree for ur videio quality?
Jan 06 09:23:47 <atlas_n810> You  muqt have a desktop computer..
Jan 06 09:24:03 <d^_^B> can it be high quality on ur n810?
Jan 06 09:24:06 <atlas_n810> i go to breakfast,+
Jan 06 09:24:15 <atlas_n810> /Away
Jan 06 09:24:17 <d^_^B> without any problem
Jan 06 09:25:16 <d^_^B> ok cya
Jan 06 09:26:10 <AD-N770> what's high quality for you? bigger size? higher framerate?
Jan 06 09:26:47 <d^_^B> nono my mean the same size and quality on pc
Jan 06 09:27:03 <d^_^B> for n810
Jan 06 09:27:10 <d^_^B> original file without any convert
Jan 06 09:27:48 <d^_^B> and
Jan 06 09:27:53 <d^_^B> these are lie:
Jan 06 09:27:53 <d^_^B> Supported audio formats: AAC, MP3, WMA, AMR, AWB, M4A, MP2, RA (RealAudio), WAV
Jan 06 09:27:53 <d^_^B> Supported video formats: 3GP, AVI, H.263, H.264, MP4, ASF, WMV, MPEG-1, MPEG-4, RV 7/8/9 (RealVideo)
Jan 06 09:27:59 <d^_^B> lie lie lie????/
Jan 06 09:28:10 <AD-N770> it's not a lie
Jan 06 09:28:23 <d^_^B> n810 can play AVI files or no?
Jan 06 09:28:38 <d^_^B> cos avi files = xvid = divx files
Jan 06 09:28:44 <AD-N770> just you can't compare a desktop 3Ghz with an arm 400MHz
Jan 06 09:28:51 <d^_^B> MPEG-4 is include on 810 too
Jan 06 09:28:53 <AD-N770> and avi is just a container
Jan 06 09:29:04 <AD-N770> mpeg4 is a video codec
Jan 06 09:29:21 <d^_^B> so can it play finally avil divx file or no?
Jan 06 09:29:27 <AD-N770> if you mix concepts you won't understand it
Jan 06 09:30:02 <d^_^B> so tell me which are the best video converters for n810?
Jan 06 09:30:18 <Luria> sigh.
Jan 06 09:30:24 <AD-N770> divx is mpeg4 so you can play it
Jan 06 09:30:43 <AD-N770> but you can play a clip 720x400 at 30 fps
Jan 06 09:30:48 <AD-N770> you can't
Jan 06 09:31:18 <AD-N770> on the IT there's not enough cpu power to decode it
Jan 06 09:31:29 <Luria> ive done some 24fps xvids
Jan 06 09:31:33 <d^_^B> oh yes
Jan 06 09:31:39 <Luria> you just have to watch the bitrate
Jan 06 09:31:40 <d^_^B> u right
Jan 06 09:31:58 * rm_you drops in the middle of the conversation
Jan 06 09:32:00 <Luria> 600k is the practical limit
Jan 06 09:32:03 <d^_^B> and the best video converter for n810??
Jan 06 09:32:24 <rm_you> if you use the 770-encode or tablet-encode script, i have found the following to be a very effective profile:
Jan 06 09:32:26 <Luria> what platform?
Jan 06 09:33:18 <rm_you>     n800    => { abitrate => 128, vbitrate => 1400, width => 400, height => 240, fps => 30 },
Jan 06 09:33:46 <rm_you> that's very high bitrate and fps, and with hardware pixel doubling, it looks BEAUTIFUL :)
Jan 06 09:34:07 <rm_you> i hope that's on topic, as i really only caught the tail end of your conversation :P
Jan 06 09:34:08 <d^_^B> width => 400, height => 240?????
Jan 06 09:34:13 <rm_you> yes
Jan 06 09:34:25 <d^_^B> but full screen
Jan 06 09:34:26 <rm_you> 400x2 = 800, 240x2 = 480
Jan 06 09:34:51 <rm_you> at that high bitrate and with the hardware pixel doubling, it seriously looks *awesome*
Jan 06 09:34:53 <d^_^B> yes it's cool
Jan 06 09:35:36 <rm_you> if you try to go above 400x240, it will exceed the bandwidth of the bus the graphics chip is on and it will slow way down
Jan 06 09:36:23 <Luria> depends. ive done higher resolutions, but at lower fps
Jan 06 09:36:34 <rm_you> right, but the tradeoff isn't worth it
Jan 06 09:36:56 <rm_you> you have to drop to 20ish fps and significantly lower the bitrate to see comparable speeds
Jan 06 09:37:13 <rm_you> i think i have a graph somewhere from my testing....
Jan 06 09:39:07 <Luria> though for tv your approach is best
Jan 06 09:40:13 <AD-N770> one of the hardest clip that I played fine on my N800/IT2k8 is video/x-wmv, wmvversion=(int)3, framerate=(fraction)25/1, width=(int)320, height=(int)240, format=(fourcc)WMV3, pixel-aspect-ratio=(fraction)1/1, bitrate=(int)707705
Jan 06 09:40:38 <Luria> if you have a movie at 24...
Jan 06 09:40:39 <AD-N770> and  audio/x-wma, wmaversion=(int)2, rate=(int)44100, channels=(int)2, bitrate=(int)48024, depth=(int)16
Jan 06 09:41:08 <rm_you> well, the best test is to do it yourself and se
Jan 06 09:41:09 <rm_you> *see
Jan 06 09:41:20 <rm_you> just take that line, throw it into 770-encode, and run it on something
Jan 06 09:41:20 <Luria> btw
Jan 06 09:41:20 <Luria> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mediaconverter/ is handy
Jan 06 09:41:36 <rm_you> and check out the result on your n800
Jan 06 09:41:49 <Luria> (i know you guys know, but the question was asked)
Jan 06 09:42:19 <atlas_n810> Beurkk java :X
Jan 06 09:42:28 <rm_you> i'm all for experimentation, so if you think you have something better, PLEASE compare that line to yours, and send me your encoding scheme so i can try it out :P
Jan 06 09:42:40 <rm_you> i've spent days trying to come up with the best settings
Jan 06 09:42:50 <Luria> christ, media player has gone nuts
Jan 06 09:42:57 <Luria> is there a way for me to manually force a media rescan
Jan 06 09:43:10 <rm_you> you use media player for videos? >_>
Jan 06 09:43:27 <rm_you> does that work?
Jan 06 09:43:35 <rm_you> it always lags me to death <_<
Jan 06 09:43:41 <Luria> no, for audio
Jan 06 09:43:50 <Luria> mplayer for vids
Jan 06 09:44:07 <rm_you> ah
Jan 06 09:44:09 <Luria> actually, the only video i have is the n810 promo, just to show people
Jan 06 09:44:12 <rm_you> lol
Jan 06 09:44:19 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 06 09:45:01 <rm_you> morning :)
Jan 06 09:45:20 <Luria> So, no one has a way to force media player to scan?
Jan 06 09:45:51 <Luria> "unable to complete operation" is all i get, along with a blank library
Jan 06 09:45:58 <rm_you> :(
Jan 06 09:46:05 <rm_you> can you remove its settings/cache?
Jan 06 09:46:42 <Luria> i dont know
Jan 06 09:47:21 <Luria> ive never gotten into its innards and there isnt much in the way of menu options
Jan 06 09:51:43 <Jaffa> Double click on the file from within File Manager?
Jan 06 10:11:51 <Cptnodegard> does using BT use a lot of power, if there is no activity?
Jan 06 10:13:57 <ptman> BT is designed to be very low power
Jan 06 10:14:40 <Cptnodegard> ah, thx
Jan 06 10:14:56 <Cptnodegard> i usually put the whole thing to offline mode when i dont use it
Jan 06 10:15:13 <Cptnodegard> ...which includes BT yes :D
Jan 06 10:16:01 <keesj> hmm, i see
Jan 06 10:16:26 <keesj> I have played with a palm tungsten during the holiday
Jan 06 10:17:00 <keesj> I really loved the way it worked , not complicated things like offline modes etc. it just keeps running for a long week
Jan 06 10:17:27 * Jaffa thinks his N810's battery life has increased suckiness since installing Modest
Jan 06 10:17:30 <keesj> one button to lock/unlock , no "save file" dialogs. I must say...
Jan 06 10:17:51 <Jaffa> Yeah, the Psions were similar (although they had save dialogues, you didn't usually need to use them)
Jan 06 10:17:58 <keesj> I really missed irc :)
Jan 06 10:18:42 <Jaffa> Yeah, I hated PalmOS for its lack of multitasking; couldn't have an IRC window or SSH window open in the background whilst browsing the web. Was a deal-breaker for me.
Jan 06 10:18:51 <Cptnodegard> palms are toys compared to ITs
Jan 06 10:19:05 <Cptnodegard> palms are 2-3" cellphones
Jan 06 10:19:11 <keesj> even cheking my gmail was very fast (special pages made for the palm I think) but it really is a one touch operation and withint 5 seconds i know if i have mail
Jan 06 10:19:13 <Cptnodegard> ITT's are 4-5" computers
Jan 06 10:19:31 <atlas95> I have in uninstall modest, and set gmail on the default client in pop ...
Jan 06 10:19:36 <atlas95> I have do it :(
Jan 06 10:19:44 <atlas95> I hope modest will be better :)
Jan 06 10:19:46 <keesj> pop? why not imap?
Jan 06 10:20:00 <atlas95> too too too long to response
Jan 06 10:20:08 <Cptnodegard> keesj, the gmail notifyer beats 5 seconds :p
Jan 06 10:20:15 <Jaffa> osso-email sucks for IMAP
Jan 06 10:20:30 <atlas95> osso-email is the default client?
Jan 06 10:20:31 <keesj> I always hava mail so the gmail notifier it pretty useless
Jan 06 10:20:38 <keesj> have
Jan 06 10:20:45 <Jaffa> atlas95: yeah
Jan 06 10:20:50 <Cptnodegard> then its an issue of cleanup :)
Jan 06 10:21:11 <atlas95> osso-email is good ok, but too long to reponse in imap yet, AND it doesn't support imap folder ..
Jan 06 10:21:25 <Cptnodegard> does osso even support gmail?
Jan 06 10:21:26 <atlas95> it is the must important thing in my mbox
Jan 06 10:21:38 <AD-N770> soume one could try to install this(http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/IT2008/tuner_0.0.3_armel.deb) on a n810 and tell me if it works?
Jan 06 10:21:56 <atlas95> AD-N770: what is this? for FM?
Jan 06 10:22:16 <AD-N770> no, instrument tuner
Jan 06 10:22:37 <atlas95> could you repost the link without ( ) please
Jan 06 10:22:43 <AD-N770> same for http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/IT2008/nethack_3.4.3_armel.deb
Jan 06 10:23:05 <atlas95> what is netthack?
Jan 06 10:23:09 <keesj> Cptnodegard: what do you mean by does osso even support gmail?
Jan 06 10:23:10 <AD-N770> nethack game
Jan 06 10:23:18 <atlas95> http://personal.telefonica.terra.es/web/n770galaxy/IT2008/tuner_0.0.3_armel.deb
Jan 06 10:23:19 <keesj> He one more "feeling" question
Jan 06 10:23:20 <AD-N770> and rpg
Jan 06 10:23:42 <Cptnodegard> keesj: i read something on the forum, maybe just a confused person. but does gmail work on osso? mine wont connect
Jan 06 10:23:45 <keesj> I have the feeling that the browser is very slow in connecting/gettin pages
Jan 06 10:23:55 <AD-N770> atlas95: http://n770galaxy.blogspot.com/
Jan 06 10:24:32 <keesj> do others have this feeling (for example just getting google.com) take way to long IMHO
Jan 06 10:25:19 <Jaffa> keesj: yes, I'd agree with that
Jan 06 10:25:21 <Luria> yes
Jan 06 10:25:27 <Luria> im feeling it right now
Jan 06 10:26:13 <Luria> and avoid nethack at all costs
Jan 06 10:26:19 <keesj> my network is messed up but I would like to try and install a proxy server (webscarab) and see what is really taking time)
Jan 06 10:26:55 <Luria> nethack is the greatest time sinkhole since chess
Jan 06 10:27:21 <Luria> and elbereth wont save you from that
Jan 06 10:27:53 <Luria> that said, it is the best game on maemo
Jan 06 10:28:22 <atlas95> AD-N770: nethack work
Jan 06 10:28:36 <atlas95> but seem to be a chit game (for me :p)
Jan 06 10:28:40 <atlas95> I try the tuner
Jan 06 10:30:57 <atlas95> keesj: say me if you try webscarab
Jan 06 10:31:03 <atlas95> I have the idea to test a proxy too
Jan 06 10:32:06 <atlas95> keesj: ? maybe we can tweak with about:config, pipeling etc, like with firefox, no?
Jan 06 10:32:26 <keesj> atlas95: I can not a pressent time , my wifi network does not allow my machines to connect to eachother directly
Jan 06 10:32:51 <keesj> atlas95: there also must be a simple javasscipt based tool to see what is taking the time
Jan 06 10:34:10 <atlas95> tuner didn't run AD-N770
Jan 06 10:34:20 <atlas95> i search why
Jan 06 10:34:21 <AD-N770> ups
Jan 06 10:35:18 <AD-N770> atlas95: could you run it from an xterm?
Jan 06 10:35:32 <atlas95> i'm doing it
Jan 06 10:35:46 <atlas95> oula
Jan 06 10:35:50 <atlas95> too many error hmm
Jan 06 10:36:10 <atlas95> seems to be gstreamer error
Jan 06 10:36:17 <AD-N770> audiotestsrc?
Jan 06 10:36:41 <atlas95> ?
Jan 06 10:36:43 <atlas95> i run this?
Jan 06 10:37:39 <atlas95> i run it in ssh and paste error
Jan 06 10:37:49 <AD-N770> ok, thanks
Jan 06 10:38:00 <atlas95> rahh, I back, uubntu error
Jan 06 10:40:24 <atlas95> ~ $ tuner
Jan 06 10:40:24 <atlas95> tuner[7843]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GLib-GObject - g_object_set: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
Jan 06 10:40:24 <atlas95> tuner[7843]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GStreamer - gst_bin_add_many: assertion `GST_IS_ELEMENT (element_1)' failed
Jan 06 10:40:24 <atlas95> tuner[7843]: GLIB CRITICAL ** GStreamer - gst_element_link_many: assertion `GST_IS_ELEMENT (element_1)' failed
Jan 06 10:40:24 <atlas95> cant link elements
Jan 06 10:40:39 <atlas95> AD-N770: ?
Jan 06 10:42:21 <AD-N770> atlas95: could you try apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-extra on the device and try it again?
Jan 06 10:42:53 <AD-N770> I think that probably I have a dependency on it for audiotestsrc element
Jan 06 10:43:05 <atlas95> with red pill?
Jan 06 10:43:11 <atlas95> or blue pill AD-N770?
Jan 06 10:43:42 <AD-N770> it's from maemo repository, with red pill I think
Jan 06 10:45:51 <atlas95> installing ...
Jan 06 10:45:57 <atlas95> enjoy :D
Jan 06 10:46:12 <atlas95> this is working very well
Jan 06 10:46:46 <atlas95> what instrument are you playing?
Jan 06 10:47:07 <AD-N770> guitar
Jan 06 10:47:16 <atlas95> hmm
Jan 06 10:47:26 <atlas95> when I sing near mu n810
Jan 06 10:47:34 <atlas95> tuner say me the nearest note
Jan 06 10:47:45 <atlas95> but don't show it on the keyboard
Jan 06 10:47:57 <atlas95> do you understand what i want to say?
Jan 06 10:48:02 <AD-N770> no, you can use the keyboard to produce tones
Jan 06 10:48:48 <atlas95> yes, but I can see what sort of note i'm singing ?
Jan 06 10:48:53 <Jaffa> If you do apt-get install as root, the red/blue pill mode doesn't make any difference. It's only a setting for the UI of the Application Manager
Jan 06 10:49:26 <atlas95> ok Jaffa thx ;)
Jan 06 10:49:51 <AD-N770> the led bar and the text message tell you the note and the keyboard is used to produce reference notes
Jan 06 10:50:37 <atlas95> ok, :p but i'm note english and i don't play guitar :d
Jan 06 10:50:46 <atlas95> i don't understand the text
Jan 06 10:50:54 <atlas95> i think C0 is a note..
Jan 06 10:51:04 <AD-N770> A= la
Jan 06 10:51:10 <AD-N770> 0 is the octave
Jan 06 10:51:17 <AD-N770> C= do
Jan 06 10:51:19 <inz> AD, you should make a singstar version of your tuner ^^
Jan 06 10:51:45 <atlas95> B = si ?
Jan 06 10:51:51 <AD-N770> yes
Jan 06 10:52:03 <atlas95> la si do re mi fa sol la si do re mi fa sol la si :p
Jan 06 10:52:28 <atlas95> a b c d e f g ?
Jan 06 10:52:44 <AD-N770> yes
Jan 06 10:52:58 <atlas95> \o/
Jan 06 10:53:37 <atlas95> I go to show this to my mum, yesterday, she broke my head because I have buy this gadget 500€
Jan 06 10:53:40 <atlas95> €
Jan 06 10:53:43 <AD-N770> do you know how I add the dependency on the debian files?
Jan 06 10:53:57 <atlas95> /etc/apt/source.list?
Jan 06 10:54:09 <atlas95> like in debian no?
Jan 06 10:54:41 <AD-N770> I've to add a dependency on my package to install gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-extra at same time that mine
Jan 06 10:55:20 <AD-N770> I think that's something that have to be added on the control file to build my deb package
Jan 06 10:55:21 <inz> AD, I don't know how you build your packages, but your control file (usually debian/control) should have Depends: gstreamer0.10-plugins-base-extra
Jan 06 10:55:53 <inz> AD, and it should be where you define the _binary_ package
Jan 06 10:55:53 <AD-N770> thanks inz, I add it now
Jan 06 10:56:54 <inz> AD, do note that dependencies aren't istalled automatically if you install from file
Jan 06 10:57:03 <inz> AD, only when installing from a repository
Jan 06 10:59:24 <AD-N770> inz: if it's installed from a file and the dependency isn't satisfied in the target system, do you know if there's any kind of warning message?
Jan 06 11:00:53 <inz> AD, there's a failure message
Jan 06 11:01:18 <AD-N770> ok, I prefer this
Jan 06 11:02:08 <Luria> sigh.
Jan 06 11:02:26 <Luria> new rule - one sokoban level per night
Jan 06 11:03:56 <Luria> brain is cooked
Jan 06 11:07:24 <atlas_n810> :( Toilet broke my wlan signal
Jan 06 11:07:59 <Luria> you have one of those microwave toilets?
Jan 06 11:08:12 <atlas_n810> Yes lol
Jan 06 11:08:36 <atlas_n810> I can chat during i ...
Jan 06 11:08:51 <atlas_n810> Can't
Jan 06 11:09:13 <atlas_n810> :
Jan 06 11:11:52 <atlas_n810> Is it possible to install tor on maemo?
Jan 06 11:29:10 <keesj> juk , I think I found the reason...
Jan 06 11:34:26 <Cptnodegard> :3
Jan 06 11:34:29 <Cptnodegard> epic fail
Jan 06 11:34:44 <Cptnodegard> tried to run a HDD off a aaa-usb battery pack
Jan 06 11:36:17 <glass> hehe
Jan 06 11:39:06 <hircus> Anybody knows what happened to Evince for OS2008?
Jan 06 11:41:41 <Cptnodegard> http://www.uxcell.com/mini-usb-keys-keyboard-for-computer-laptop-p-7413.html seems to be a cheap keyboard for n800... 28x16 CM isnt that big
Jan 06 12:09:05 <keesj> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2719
Jan 06 12:09:30 <keesj> bug about slow loading, and how to use webscarab to test ..
Jan 06 12:13:42 <tbf> is there some someware to create an encrypted vault?
Jan 06 12:27:30 <sikor_sxe> anyone coded an application with mime-support yet
Jan 06 12:27:33 <sikor_sxe> ?
Jan 06 13:20:26 <Cptnodegard> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Jan 06 13:20:38 <Cptnodegard> n800 with 128GB flash memory is theoretically possible
Jan 06 13:20:51 <Cptnodegard> with current consumer technologies
Jan 06 13:21:23 <blahdeblahN801> Hi. I'm using GPE 2.8 on maemo and it crashes whenever i try to add category. Is this a known bug? I'm using OS2008 on an N800.
Jan 06 13:21:48 <Cptnodegard> it closes when you press add?=
Jan 06 13:21:51 <Cptnodegard> mine does to
Jan 06 13:21:53 <Cptnodegard> too
Jan 06 13:22:14 <blahdeblahN801> yep
Jan 06 13:22:33 <Cptnodegard> yeah dunno whats causing it, dont need categories anyways
Jan 06 13:23:24 <blahdeblahN801> I need them! :)
Jan 06 13:24:11 <Cptnodegard> lol
Jan 06 13:24:20 <Cptnodegard> file a bug report if there is something  like that
Jan 06 13:24:48 <sikor_sxe> kulve: around?
Jan 06 13:25:58 <blahdeblahN801> I  should go look at their bug db
Jan 06 13:55:05 <Spacer> anyone know how to access the ambient light sensor?
Jan 06 13:57:49 <alterego> Weird, flashing the latest OS2008 from Beta seems to have seriously increased my battery life.
Jan 06 14:42:03 <Dregz> I'm about to flash my N800, with fanoush's latest, Can I run it as is, or are there any modules that are recommended?
Jan 06 14:43:21 <N800tableteer> Hi all
Jan 06 14:43:26 <Dregz> hi
Jan 06 14:44:15 <Dregz> Has anyone flashed with fanoush's kernel?
Jan 06 14:44:36 <z72ka_maemo> Dregz, I... my n770
Jan 06 14:44:51 <N800tableteer> Anyone change the browser id on this to be msie so I can connect to wellsfargo.com?
Jan 06 14:44:52 <z72ka_maemo> Dregz, for 52mhz mmc
Jan 06 14:45:27 <Dregz> z72ka_maemo, did you go with any modules?
Jan 06 14:46:27 <z72ka_maemo> Dregz, yes, all modules works properly
Jan 06 14:46:34 <Dregz> great , thanks
Jan 06 14:47:14 <kulve> sikor_sxe: pong
Jan 06 14:48:01 <z72ka_maemo> Dregz, this kernel contains only some changes, I recommende it, system boost is good
Jan 06 14:48:55 <sikor_sxe> kulve: i read your posts on ITT and on your blog regarding mime-type integration and i wonder wether the mime-support is completely broken in FM or if it's just the priority which is broken
Jan 06 14:49:38 <kulve> maybe just the priority? It didn't seem to have much of an effect..
Jan 06 14:49:48 <kulve> but I didn't play with it really..
Jan 06 14:50:06 <sikor_sxe> i tried your mime testing tool from the bug-report however, and it does not seem to recognize my mime type there aswell :/
Jan 06 14:51:07 <Spacer> kulve, you happen to know how to access the ambient light sensor?
Jan 06 14:51:24 <kulve> Spacer: nope. I don't have n810 yet
Jan 06 14:52:40 <kulve> sikor_sxe: you added an xml file including the mime type? And run the update-mime-data-or-something? And added some .desktop file containing that mime type? And run update-hildon-desktop-database-or-something?
Jan 06 14:52:55 <sikor_sxe> yeah
Jan 06 14:53:05 <sikor_sxe> and the FM does even cut the file ending for those files
Jan 06 14:53:16 <sikor_sxe> it just claims there is no app to open it
Jan 06 14:53:22 <sikor_sxe> rartest.rar is shown as rartest
Jan 06 14:56:04 <sikor_sxe> ./hildon-mime-summon2 file:///home/user/rartest.rar says "Failed to launch hildon_mime_open_file: 0" tho
Jan 06 14:56:11 <sikor_sxe> i'm really puzzled here
Jan 06 14:56:49 <kulve> does the xml file have the glob *.rar?
Jan 06 14:57:28 <sikor_sxe> <glob pattern="*.rar"/>
Jan 06 14:58:03 <kulve> does file-command on your desktop recognize that as rar?
Jan 06 14:58:35 <sikor_sxe> file-command?
Jan 06 14:59:17 <sikor_sxe> is file-command a stock app?
Jan 06 14:59:46 <kulve>  which file
Jan 06 14:59:46 <kulve> /usr/bin/file
Jan 06 14:59:49 <kulve> yup, very stock
Jan 06 15:01:10 <sikor_sxe> huh!
Jan 06 15:01:23 <sikor_sxe> i don't seem to have it installed
Jan 06 15:01:29 <kulve> odd
Jan 06 15:01:38 <sikor_sxe> there's no /usr/bin/file or /usr/sbin/file
Jan 06 15:02:27 <kulve> comes in a "file" package in debian etch
Jan 06 15:02:38 <sikor_sxe> it's installed in scratchbox however
Jan 06 15:03:34 <sikor_sxe> in scratchbox it recognizes it
Jan 06 15:04:30 <sikor_sxe> but file doesn't depend on mime, right?
Jan 06 15:05:10 <kulve> file --mime
Jan 06 15:06:32 <sikor_sxe> ../rartest.rar: application/x-rar
Jan 06 15:06:51 <kulve> so, it seems to be a valid file..
Jan 06 15:07:10 <sikor_sxe> yeah, i can open it with my app
Jan 06 15:07:34 <kulve> then I think you have some mistake while updating the mime stuff to maemo..
Jan 06 15:08:10 <kulve> grep rar /usr/share/mime/globs
Jan 06 15:08:19 <kulve> does that say something on the device?
Jan 06 15:08:27 <kulve> like this:
Jan 06 15:08:28 <kulve> Nokia-N800-50-2:~# grep mp3 /usr/share/mime/globs
Jan 06 15:08:29 <kulve> audio/x-mp3:*.mp3
Jan 06 15:08:37 <sikor_sxe> application/x-rar:*.rar
Jan 06 15:08:43 <sikor_sxe> (on the device)
Jan 06 15:09:25 <sikor_sxe> and i guess it kind of got the mime type right, since FM displays it without file-ending
Jan 06 15:09:31 <sikor_sxe> hmm
Jan 06 15:09:41 <sikor_sxe> the .desktop file could be wrong
Jan 06 15:09:50 <kulve> grep Mime /usr/share/applications/hildon/your-app-here.desktop
Jan 06 15:10:25 <sikor_sxe> MimeType=application/x-rar;
Jan 06 15:10:41 <sikor_sxe> however the icons and stuff get displayed correctly
Jan 06 15:12:05 <kulve> is there more than one mime on the MimeType list? Just wondering if the ; is too much..
Jan 06 15:12:20 <sikor_sxe> no
Jan 06 15:12:26 <sikor_sxe> i could try this
Jan 06 15:14:03 <sikor_sxe> hmm
Jan 06 15:14:27 <sikor_sxe> MimeType always seems to be terminated with a ;
Jan 06 15:14:45 <kulve> not in our app, kilikali..
Jan 06 15:14:49 <kulve> MimeType=audio/x-ogg;application/ogg
Jan 06 15:14:59 <kulve> but maybe it's ok then
Jan 06 15:15:30 <kulve> and you've run this:
Jan 06 15:15:31 <kulve>    update-desktop-database /usr/share/applications
Jan 06 15:15:33 <kulve> ?
Jan 06 15:16:50 <sikor_sxe> in postinst, yes
Jan 06 15:17:38 <sikor_sxe> and it gets processed, i checked this yet (put a touch /home/user/postinst.test in it)
Jan 06 15:19:13 <kulve> just run it by hand and try the mime-summon again
Jan 06 15:19:54 <kulve> hmm.. I wonder if the mime callback in the app affects this too..
Jan 06 15:20:17 <kulve> i.e. your app gets the file through dbus after launched..
Jan 06 15:20:27 <sikor_sxe> oh
Jan 06 15:20:35 <sikor_sxe> i did not implement this callback thingie
Jan 06 15:21:40 <sikor_sxe> and i totally ignored dbus so far
Jan 06 15:22:05 <kulve> http://maemo.org/api_refs/3.0/libosso/group__MIME.html#ga1
Jan 06 15:22:28 <kulve> I think I never got that working and did the listening directly with dbus
Jan 06 15:22:41 <sikor_sxe> yeah i read this too, i don't get it however
Jan 06 15:23:33 <sikor_sxe> what does a callback function in my app have to do with FM recognizing a file and *starting* my app for it
Jan 06 15:24:02 <kulve> hmm..
Jan 06 15:24:29 <kulve> yeah, I think you are right about that.. It should at least open your app before starting to wonder about dbus stuff..
Jan 06 15:25:32 <sikor_sxe> yeah, that's why i ignored dbus so far, since you open an archive-program when you need it, and you rarely leave it open in the background
Jan 06 15:25:41 <sikor_sxe> where dbus would step in
Jan 06 15:26:12 <sikor_sxe> then again, maybe i'm just wrong about dbus
Jan 06 15:28:39 <zuh> D-Bus can activate your app when needed, the program doesn't need to be opened...
Jan 06 15:29:50 <sikor_sxe> i see
Jan 06 15:30:13 <sikor_sxe> and i guess that's the mechanism FM uses
Jan 06 15:31:40 <sikor_sxe> that would explain why my app doesn't even show up on the "select application" list
Jan 06 15:32:01 * sikor_sxe reads up on dbus, thanks alot kulve & zuh
Jan 06 15:32:07 <zuh> np
Jan 06 15:33:23 <kulve> sikor_sxe: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/tutorials/maemo_4-0_tutorial.html#D-BUS-servicefile
Jan 06 15:33:32 <kulve> there's something about it
Jan 06 15:48:39 <tbf> can i use any bluetooth gps receiver with a N800?
Jan 06 15:49:01 <zoran> the answer is yes
Jan 06 15:52:23 <Palintheus> I would stay away from navman since the pin is 'navman' and you can't use letters on the N800 to pair bluetooth devices
Jan 06 15:52:42 <Palintheus> s/navman/alphanumeric
Jan 06 15:59:22 <alterego> Well, you can ;)
Jan 06 15:59:40 <alterego> But not using the key pairing facility maemo provides.
Jan 06 16:00:21 * Palintheus nods
Jan 06 16:05:17 <tbf> Palintheus: ok
Jan 06 16:14:58 <alterego> ffs
Jan 06 16:15:20 <alterego> Damn tablets-dev is offline.
Jan 06 16:16:10 <johnx> alterego, I can reach it
Jan 06 16:16:13 <alterego> Now where am I supposed to get the N810 image :(
Jan 06 16:16:27 <alterego> Interesting ..
Jan 06 16:16:35 <johnx> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php
Jan 06 16:16:45 <johnx> I think? Am I missing something?
Jan 06 16:16:56 <alterego> I'm getting "The service is temporarily unavailable"
Jan 06 16:17:22 <alterego> Oh, well. Your link works.
Jan 06 16:17:26 <alterego> Must just be the index page then.
Jan 06 16:19:29 <d^_^B> GUYS DO U HAVE ANY VIDEO FOR N810?
Jan 06 16:19:45 <alterego> Video _for_ N810? What do you mean?
Jan 06 16:20:44 <d^_^B> Just For Watch The n810
Jan 06 16:20:58 <d^_^B> no youtube please
Jan 06 16:21:02 <alterego> What?
Jan 06 16:21:06 <alterego> What are you talking about?
Jan 06 16:21:23 <d^_^B> lol come what may
Jan 06 16:22:02 <d^_^B> a video for show how audio/video can works on n810?
Jan 06 16:22:12 <alterego> You want a video _of_ the N810? Or a video to play _on_ the N810?
Jan 06 16:22:42 <alterego> Just download any old video.
Jan 06 16:22:51 <alterego> mencode a dvd ..
Jan 06 16:23:05 <d^_^B> yes
Jan 06 16:23:09 <d^_^B> a video _of_ the N810
Jan 06 16:23:21 <d^_^B> show how it works
Jan 06 16:23:22 <alterego> http://www.internettablettalk.com/tablet101/2007/11/08/the-nokia-n810-walkthrough/
Jan 06 16:23:29 <d^_^B> and specially for audio/video
Jan 06 16:23:42 <d^_^B> i said NO YOUTUBE
Jan 06 16:23:45 <alterego> There is no video I know of that demonstrates that.
Jan 06 16:23:51 <d^_^B> a normal upload file
Jan 06 16:24:02 <alterego> Why don't you just download that file.
Jan 06 16:24:24 <d^_^B> ummm wait please
Jan 06 16:24:38 <alterego> Anyhow, it's not youtube ..
Jan 06 16:25:14 <d^_^B> yes tnx
Jan 06 16:25:32 <d^_^B> and is it for multimedia too?
Jan 06 16:25:46 <alterego> -_-
Jan 06 16:26:01 <wnd> Wouldn't it be easier just to watch it and see if it's what you're looking for?
Jan 06 16:26:34 <d^_^B> yes thank u guys
Jan 06 16:26:37 <alterego> wnd, no. It's easier to be spoon fed.
Jan 06 16:26:51 <alterego> Or breast fed, but I don't have breasts.
Jan 06 16:27:18 <wnd> gaining weight /could/ help with that
Jan 06 16:27:42 <d^_^B> where is part 2 3...
Jan 06 16:28:45 <d^_^B> PART 2?
Jan 06 16:29:19 <Palintheus> look around on the page..the link is there....
Jan 06 16:29:43 <d^_^B> yes yes
Jan 06 16:29:56 <d^_^B> :''')
Jan 06 16:32:39 <alterego> d^_^B, part two is there.
Jan 06 16:32:43 <alterego> http://blip.tv/file/489532
Jan 06 16:32:48 <alterego> Is probably a better location.
Jan 06 16:33:30 <d^_^B> :*
Jan 06 16:35:50 * alterego wonders when his N810 will arrive.
Jan 06 16:37:23 <alterego> The n810 stylus looks cheap :(
Jan 06 16:37:31 <alterego> I like the N800 stylus. :/
Jan 06 16:42:07 <tbf> alterego: tell nokia, that they have to do a Montblanc edition of their devices :-D
Jan 06 16:42:45 <alterego> Heh
Jan 06 16:43:02 <johnx> I never got to use an N800 stylus. I got my N800 in a compusa open-box deal
Jan 06 17:00:20 * lcuk pokes his python
Jan 06 17:00:22 <Cptnodegard> does any of you consider yourself close to experts on lithium ion batteries? :)
Jan 06 17:00:40 <alterego> I know a little, I wouldn't say I'm an expert though.
Jan 06 17:01:11 <lcuk> only thing i know about batteries is if they start to smoke: run - fast
Jan 06 17:01:46 <Cptnodegard> i read the batteryuniversity article, and composed a thread on our forum about it (for music players). if you have the time, can you read through it and see i havent gotten anything seriousely wrong? http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?p=201604#post201604
Jan 06 17:04:21 * lcuk wonders what kind of battery he has in his 810
Jan 06 17:05:26 * lcuk didnt bother to check and now doesnt want to take the back off again (its so flimsy) :S
Jan 06 17:05:39 <Cptnodegard> lol
Jan 06 17:06:30 <lcuk> i know the lipo that my helicopter has enjoys a good workout - fully charged to drained cycles are better than part
Jan 06 17:06:47 <lcuk> and it needs taking off after its recharged
Jan 06 17:07:04 <lcuk> but i didnt think it mattered for nokias/phones in general
Jan 06 17:07:34 <lcuk> lipo charger = direct onto battery, phones/pdas/810 etc = charging circuit
Jan 06 17:08:17 * lcuk thinks he is right cos cpts article says so
Jan 06 17:09:20 <Cptnodegard> lol
Jan 06 17:09:43 <Cptnodegard> here's the full one i read before i posted mine: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-12.htm
Jan 06 17:13:20 <alterego> lcuk, it's a BP-4L Lithium Ion battery
Jan 06 17:15:14 <alterego> Cptnodegard, looks pretty good information wise to me.
Jan 06 17:17:34 <Cptnodegard> thx :)
Jan 06 17:18:11 <lcuk> cpt, the only thing i would say (apart from it looks great) is that I personally still recommend people charge their new devices first.  if for no other reason than it gives them a chance to sit down (even if for only 5 minutes) and actually read the instructions and prevent any user errors from occuring
Jan 06 17:18:30 <Cptnodegard> lol!
Jan 06 17:18:36 <Cptnodegard> thats actually a good point
Jan 06 17:18:44 <Cptnodegard> ill put that in
Jan 06 17:18:46 <lcuk> it might be fine from a hardware side, but very important thing to do
Jan 06 17:19:56 <bedboi> hi there.
Jan 06 17:20:04 <lcuk> hi bed
Jan 06 17:20:41 <Cptnodegard> indee,d put it in :)
Jan 06 17:21:35 <lcuk> that smiley you used looks like the sticker ive got covering my ambient light sensor
Jan 06 17:22:11 * lcuk hates the ambient sensor
Jan 06 17:23:20 * lcuk goes back to python
Jan 06 17:26:44 <Cptnodegard> lol
Jan 06 18:02:08 <omar> anyone know any good repositories with nmap for 0s2008 on n800 ?
Jan 06 18:02:54 <timelyx> ask gronmayer (see topic)
Jan 06 18:05:46 <omar> ty
Jan 06 18:16:26 <omar> anyone have kismet running in os2008 for n800?
Jan 06 18:24:00 * lcuk wishes python wasn't so difficult to code on the 810 (no tab key)
Jan 06 18:24:34 <magicrobotmonkey> i cant get maemo-mapper to use my internal gps
Jan 06 18:24:44 <magicrobotmonkey> do i have to manually start gpsd?
Jan 06 18:25:03 <lcuk> internal as in 810?
Jan 06 18:25:07 <magicrobotmonkey> yea
Jan 06 18:25:30 <lcuk> i ended up runnin map which inits it all properly then mmapper will use it
Jan 06 18:25:43 <alterego> magicrobotmonkey, as the author of maemo mapper does not have an N810, it doesn't currently support it. You'll have to be patient.
Jan 06 18:26:13 <magicrobotmonkey> ok
Jan 06 18:26:28 <magicrobotmonkey> is there any software to log a gps route?
Jan 06 18:28:34 <lcuk> there is a section in the wiki about 2007, but from what i gather most '07 code wont work in 08
Jan 06 18:28:55 * lcuk doesn't know of the complexities with getting 07 stuff working in 08
Jan 06 18:29:46 <lcuk> magic, heres the wiki http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howtousegpsframeworkinos2007/
Jan 06 18:30:15 <lcuk> if it works for 08 or can be adapted to do so let us know :)
Jan 06 18:33:27 <doc|work> I got an 8gb SD card the other day, it was a dud so now I have to RMA it which may take weeks  :(
Jan 06 18:33:38 <magicrobotmonkey> yea im thinking about writing up a quick script to log a route
Jan 06 18:37:01 <omar> are there any ports of xboard or other chess games?
Jan 06 18:38:23 <pupnik_> there's a default chess game
Jan 06 18:38:52 <omar> other than that one
Jan 06 18:39:02 <omar> i cant stand the theme
Jan 06 18:39:11 <omar> heh
Jan 06 18:39:28 <pupnik_> don't know sorry
Jan 06 18:39:39 <omar> np
Jan 06 18:39:49 <pupnik_> agree, alternate icons would be nice
Jan 06 18:40:13 <pupnik_> afk
Jan 06 18:40:57 <omar> is kagu any good? or should i just stick with canola2
Jan 06 18:41:07 <sikor_sxe> HOOORAY
Jan 06 18:41:21 <sikor_sxe> i got mime-open to work finally
Jan 06 18:41:29 <sikor_sxe> *sweat*
Jan 06 18:44:23 <kulve> sikor_sxe: what was the problem?
Jan 06 18:44:56 <sikor_sxe> different stuff
Jan 06 18:45:17 <sikor_sxe> i had to implement the osso-callbacks in my app
Jan 06 18:46:07 <sikor_sxe> and add Osso-Service=org.maemo.xarchiver to the .desktop file
Jan 06 18:46:23 <sikor_sxe> then i had didn't know about the .service file
Jan 06 18:46:55 <sikor_sxe> well, i got it so far now, that when i click on a rar file in FM xarchiver opens
Jan 06 18:47:52 <sikor_sxe> missing are the icons for the rar files in FM and that xarchiver doesn't just get started but also opens the rar file
Jan 06 18:48:50 <sikor_sxe> xarchiver testrar.rar would do that, but i guess the sophisticated dbus calling system needs something different
Jan 06 18:51:29 <dick-richardson> i'm having a hell of a time installing the IM update
Jan 06 18:52:46 * lcuk tries to sell noisey kids on ebay
Jan 06 18:56:56 <tomspu> Got a nice N800 for christm. but I can't get e-mail working right
Jan 06 18:57:45 <tomspu> it downloads the messages into the inbox, but takes about 2 hours to complete (3000+ messages)
Jan 06 18:58:13 <tomspu> doesn't download the sent messages nor can I send any e-mails
Jan 06 19:09:38 <sikor_sxe> tomspu: pop3 or imap?
Jan 06 19:09:57 <omar> http://www.v7f.eu/public/n800/chess/ chess for n800, for anyone who cares
Jan 06 19:10:56 <jegp> anyone knows of a astronomy program for N800 ?
Jan 06 19:17:07 <Cptnodegard> jegp: no, but thats actually an interesting idea!
Jan 06 19:17:37 <jegp> yeah, I know... N800 is perfect for astronomy viewers
Jan 06 19:17:56 <alterego> Isn't there something like, "Google Space"?
Jan 06 19:17:57 <alterego> :)
Jan 06 19:18:02 <Cptnodegard> lol
Jan 06 19:18:05 <Cptnodegard> xD
Jan 06 19:18:19 <Cptnodegard> wouldnt put it past them
Jan 06 19:18:29 <alterego> Well, there is Mars and the Moon ;)
Jan 06 19:18:55 <alterego> An Orrery would be far more useful. Especially if you like Satelite spotting :)
Jan 06 19:19:07 <dick-richardson> The installer for the rtcomm beta is complaining about libglade2-0 and makedev, both of which are installed
Jan 06 19:19:42 <Cptnodegard> as long as i dont have to see uranus im happy :d (sorry had to)
Jan 06 19:20:11 <alterego> I name all my network nodes after planets. But no, none of them are called Uranus ;)
Jan 06 19:20:26 <Cptnodegard> you already have a node called that
Jan 06 19:20:26 <alterego> I have, Europa, Jupiter, Neptune and Proteus.
Jan 06 19:20:33 <alterego> Hah, yeah.
Jan 06 19:20:43 <Cptnodegard> planets AND MOONS then :p
Jan 06 19:20:48 <alterego> Only my friends use that hostname ;)
Jan 06 19:20:54 <Cptnodegard> looool
Jan 06 19:21:11 <alterego> Yes, I started using moons when I'd used all the cool planet names.
Jan 06 19:21:19 <Cptnodegard> wonder whats on uranus.com... im afraid to look
Jan 06 19:21:21 <alterego> Pluto and Uranus were a no-no.
Jan 06 19:21:42 <Cptnodegard> Vulcan
Jan 06 19:21:45 <Cptnodegard> kronos
Jan 06 19:21:49 <Cptnodegard> Trill
Jan 06 19:21:52 <alterego> Mars didn't really have much appeal either.
Jan 06 19:21:52 <Cptnodegard> Betazed
Jan 06 19:21:57 <alterego> And Saturn was an old machine.
Jan 06 19:22:08 <alterego> Proteus is my N810 :)
Jan 06 19:22:14 <Cptnodegard> lol
Jan 06 19:22:19 <Cptnodegard> mine's Nokia N800
Jan 06 19:22:22 <Cptnodegard> im very imaginative
Jan 06 19:22:23 <alterego> Hah
Jan 06 19:22:31 <alterego> My N800 is Neptune
Jan 06 19:22:40 <Cptnodegard> why, you drowned it? :d
Jan 06 19:22:59 <alterego> Luckily not, despite how long it spends with me in the bath.
Jan 06 19:23:13 <Cptnodegard> my home computer is Xanadu, only one with fake name i think
Jan 06 19:23:13 <sibbe> http://www.stargate-sg1-solutions.com/wiki/Planets_By_Episode :)
Jan 06 19:23:31 <Cptnodegard> stargate <3
Jan 06 19:23:39 <Cptnodegard> newest atlantis episode was the best thing ever
Jan 06 19:23:46 <alterego> Oh, SG-1. How I miss it.
Jan 06 19:23:54 <alterego> I've not watched it yet. Shuddup :P
Jan 06 19:24:12 <Cptnodegard> i want to marry that episode and have baby webisodes with it
Jan 06 19:24:37 <lcuk> how do i get my nit visible on my windows network?
Jan 06 19:24:38 <alterego> Hah
Jan 06 19:24:43 * lcuk is ashamed
Jan 06 19:24:49 <alterego> lcuk, how do you mean visible?
Jan 06 19:25:01 <lcuk> showing up in net neighbourhood
Jan 06 19:25:03 <alterego> Can ye not ping'th it?
Jan 06 19:25:07 <lcuk> so i can direct copy etc
Jan 06 19:25:10 <lcuk> i can ping it
Jan 06 19:25:18 <lcuk> its 810
Jan 06 19:25:23 <alterego> Use OpenSSH and pscp
Jan 06 19:25:26 <alterego> Or psftp
Jan 06 19:25:32 <alterego> psftp would be better.
Jan 06 19:25:41 <Cptnodegard> psftp makes it accessible through ftp client yes?
Jan 06 19:25:55 <alterego> No, it's an FTP _like_ client that uses the SSH protocol.
Jan 06 19:26:09 <alterego> It has nice drag and drop/explorer features.
Jan 06 19:26:16 <alterego> scp is just command line.
Jan 06 19:26:22 <Cptnodegard> i meant accessing the IT with a computer based ftp client
Jan 06 19:26:28 <Cptnodegard> i did that with my nintendo DS once
Jan 06 19:26:41 <Cptnodegard> i dont really hate USB cables enough to bother though xD
Jan 06 19:26:44 <alterego> You'd need to install an FTP daemon to do that, which isn't advised as it's pretty insecure :P
Jan 06 19:26:56 <lcuk> so theres no simple way to access shared net drive like i can do in reverse
Jan 06 19:26:57 <fysa> filezilla
Jan 06 19:26:58 <alterego> I use sshfs personally.
Jan 06 19:27:17 <fysa> and SFTP
Jan 06 19:27:19 <lcuk> (can see windows shares from 810 file manager
Jan 06 19:27:24 <alterego> lcuk, psftp is simple.
Jan 06 19:27:32 <lcuk> ok ill give it a try :)
Jan 06 19:27:52 <alterego> lcuk, that's because your computers are advetising those files to the world. The N810 doesn't have samba installed.
Jan 06 19:28:01 <alterego> I'm not even sure anyone has package samba ..
Jan 06 19:28:08 <fysa> yeah, don't think so yet
Jan 06 19:28:09 <Cptnodegard> i tried streaming a 3gp video off my cell with BT today, im still getting used to having something that is capable of doign such "magic" tricks
Jan 06 19:28:09 <fysa> you can nfs
Jan 06 19:28:19 <lcuk> ding! so its samba that i need
Jan 06 19:28:21 <alterego> sshfs is just far cooler :P
Jan 06 19:28:21 <fysa> I nfs mount my media server on boot..
Jan 06 19:28:27 <fysa> you wish, lcuk
Jan 06 19:28:29 <fysa> but you don't receive
Jan 06 19:28:31 <fysa> ;)
Jan 06 19:28:45 <lcuk> lol i want it all
Jan 06 19:28:49 * lcuk will get it
Jan 06 19:29:11 <alterego> lcuk, if you _really_ want to do that, yes. But I would not advise it. If you're a linux newb building it and installing it on the device is going to be tricky. Then you need to configure it and make sure it's secure. Or not running when you're out of the house.
Jan 06 19:29:30 <fysa> the easiest way to get access is psftp
Jan 06 19:29:32 <lcuk> i only use it with this single connection
Jan 06 19:29:42 <fysa> anything else is going to require hackery
Jan 06 19:29:46 <alterego> Yes, psftp is the way to go if you're on windows ..
Jan 06 19:29:58 <fysa> WebDAV may be a viable solution..
Jan 06 19:30:03 <lcuk> the outside world is secured (hw fw) and i just need to get a few bits of code sent over
Jan 06 19:30:08 <fysa> if we had more memory.
Jan 06 19:30:28 * fysa is bugged by the amount of memory wasted in an idling maemo setup
Jan 06 19:30:58 <fysa> 20MB free with 'nothing' running
Jan 06 19:31:05 <fysa> hildon is a hog
Jan 06 19:31:21 <lcuk> fysa, just thank god its not vista, or you would have no flash mem either ;)
Jan 06 19:31:36 <Cptnodegard> fysa, ram or onboard memory?
Jan 06 19:31:42 <fysa> RAM
Jan 06 19:31:53 <fysa> on-board flash is passable
Jan 06 19:32:05 <fysa> 'just'
Jan 06 19:32:13 <Cptnodegard> configure the internal memory cardto work as ram
Jan 06 19:32:26 <fysa> I have swap on..  which is fine
Jan 06 19:32:50 <fysa> but swap is basically usable as a buffer against applications crashing
Jan 06 19:33:08 <Cptnodegard> stil new to this thing so havent figured everythign out
Jan 06 19:33:09 <fysa> if you really get into it, everything (browser especially) crawls
Jan 06 19:33:16 <Cptnodegard> havent installed any app to see ram usage
Jan 06 19:33:35 <fysa> I know we could squeeze another 20MB out of the system somewhere..
Jan 06 19:33:51 <Cptnodegard> whats using all the memory? doesnt it have 128 ram?
Jan 06 19:34:10 <fysa> let's see if my device is awake..
Jan 06 19:34:28 <Cptnodegard> whats the process info ap called?
Jan 06 19:34:37 <fysa> ps (with args)
Jan 06 19:34:37 <fysa> or top
Jan 06 19:34:55 <fysa> there is a tasktray icon you can install to see memory/CPU usage and dump process list
Jan 06 19:35:26 <Cptnodegard> hmm what repository is it in?
Jan 06 19:36:07 <fysa> I don't remember, I got them from the maemo repository .. repository.
Jan 06 19:36:21 <fysa> one sec
Jan 06 19:36:37 <lcuk> its called "load-applet"
Jan 06 19:37:08 <fysa> what is that site -- maybe justdave
Jan 06 19:37:11 * lcuk doesn't know where it comes from tho
Jan 06 19:37:22 <Cptnodegard> only top i could find was htop
Jan 06 19:37:25 <Cptnodegard> for os2008
Jan 06 19:37:27 <fysa> apt-cache showpkg
Jan 06 19:37:55 <Cptnodegard> load-applet is process info?
Jan 06 19:37:58 <lcuk> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/
Jan 06 19:38:04 <lcuk> yes
Jan 06 19:38:08 <Cptnodegard> thx
Jan 06 19:38:24 <lcuk> shows cpu/mem/lists processes allows screenshots
Jan 06 19:38:56 <fysa> Nokia-N800-44-4:~# ps aux | grep browser
Jan 06 19:38:56 <fysa>  1369 user     131724 SW  /usr/bin/browser
Jan 06 19:38:57 <Cptnodegard> found it
Jan 06 19:39:13 <fysa> browser using 101% of memory is not fun
Jan 06 19:39:26 <fysa> 103.7%
Jan 06 19:39:28 <lcuk> i see firefox is runnin as normal then ;)
Jan 06 19:39:49 <fysa> no kidding
Jan 06 19:39:56 <Cptnodegard> lol
Jan 06 19:40:07 <Cptnodegard> i have way more than 20MB free when not runnning anything
Jan 06 19:40:16 <fysa> well..
Jan 06 19:40:18 <fysa> do a couple of things.
Jan 06 19:40:23 <fysa> use it for a day, then quit those apps
Jan 06 19:40:52 <Cptnodegard> is there any way to make the tray wider?
Jan 06 19:40:55 <fysa> you will get some daemons that spawn
Jan 06 19:41:02 <lcuk> ive got 2mb free
Jan 06 19:41:10 <fysa> and they don't always close themselves peacefully for me
Jan 06 19:41:50 * lcuk vanquishes fysa's deamons
Jan 06 19:42:13 <fysa> 1365 user      63500 SW  /usr/bin/osso_rss_feed_reader
Jan 06 19:42:21 <fysa> that is also horrible
Jan 06 19:42:30 <lcuk> maemo-lancher is runnin 79% of mem at 100mb!
Jan 06 19:42:32 <Cptnodegard> ops
Jan 06 19:42:38 * lcuk doesn't even know what it does
Jan 06 19:42:39 <fysa> yeah, maemo-launcher is the other
Jan 06 19:43:58 <Cptnodegard> wtf is maemo launcher?
Jan 06 19:44:07 <fysa> http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/docs/tutorial/html/ch07.html
Jan 06 19:44:20 <fysa> maemo-launcher is a tool to decrease the start-up time of GTK+ and thus gtkmm and maemomm applications. It runs as a daemon and initializes as much as possible before your application begins to start. When a new application is started it is forked from the deamon process, so its starts faster because the initialization is already complete.
Jan 06 19:44:38 <fysa> that is the problem.
Jan 06 19:44:55 <lcuk> its only a problem if it leaks
Jan 06 19:44:55 <Cptnodegard> why in gods name would anyone install that thing if it auses all the ram? o0
Jan 06 19:44:58 <fysa> as soon as the system dips into swap, maemo-launcher should consider flushing itself
Jan 06 19:45:00 <lcuk> i dont mind things runnin if they help
Jan 06 19:45:08 <fysa> right
Jan 06 19:45:17 <lcuk> however, mediaplayer-eng is stuck in memory and i barely play things with it
Jan 06 19:45:50 <fysa> basically, maemo-launcher is for devices with slow filesystems
Jan 06 19:46:13 <fysa> but if maemo-launcher can't get out of firefox's way, it's directly causing a condition it was designed to prevent
Jan 06 19:46:31 <Cptnodegard> i use the internal web browser
Jan 06 19:46:35 <Cptnodegard> find nothing wrong with it
Jan 06 19:46:38 <fysa> that's firefox
Jan 06 19:46:40 <Cptnodegard> then again i have a psp :p
Jan 06 19:46:43 <lcuk> i so as well - minimo = firefox for mobiles
Jan 06 19:46:52 <Cptnodegard> ah i see
Jan 06 19:47:14 <fysa> we should be able to disable maemo launcher and run things normally if this is all it does.
Jan 06 19:47:30 <fysa> I will play around with it on/off
Jan 06 19:47:40 <Cptnodegard> uninstall it :p
Jan 06 19:47:56 <fysa> I'll just kill it ;)
Jan 06 19:48:04 <lcuk> im not uninstalling things, but killing them lol
Jan 06 19:48:05 <sk> what's the easiest ssh server to install on the n770?
Jan 06 19:48:13 <fysa> openssh from the repo
Jan 06 19:48:21 <fysa> then set root password somehow (there are guides)
Jan 06 19:48:24 <sk> can i do it via the package manager on the device?
Jan 06 19:48:24 <srwalter> Was "osso_uri_open" removed in Chinook?
Jan 06 19:48:29 <alterego> fysa, it prompts.
Jan 06 19:48:39 <fysa> http://www.google.com/search?q=770+ssh+root
Jan 06 19:48:40 <sk> yeah i set the root pw alreadty
Jan 06 19:48:42 <fysa> cool.
Jan 06 19:49:39 <fysa> 10 unique results all showing instructions on ssh for the 770 :)
Jan 06 19:50:11 <sk> im looking ..
Jan 06 19:50:11 <lcuk> bet nokia are surprised the 770 lasted so long
Jan 06 19:50:43 <Cptnodegard> they need to market all the IT's more
Jan 06 19:50:55 <fysa> maybe.
Jan 06 19:50:58 <lcuk> i dont think they can - ppl expect slick
Jan 06 19:51:09 <fysa> they need the community to grow and develop more killer apps first
Jan 06 19:51:12 <Cptnodegard> people are stupid
Jan 06 19:51:16 <lcuk> this nit is cool - i have linux in my pocket - but its no i*****
Jan 06 19:51:20 <sk> word, and even if they did, how much would that increase sales..what's the ROI/
Jan 06 19:51:27 <fysa> I was *this* close to getting one for my mother for christmas.
Jan 06 19:51:31 <sk> word, niche is cool
Jan 06 19:51:32 <sk> heh
Jan 06 19:51:36 <Cptnodegard> unless theres a retarded looking paper clip in the bottom of the screen telling them what to do, people run away :D
Jan 06 19:51:41 <sk> hah
Jan 06 19:51:43 <fysa> but it's not quite there yet.
Jan 06 19:51:51 <sk> even windows users loath mr clip
Jan 06 19:52:07 <lcuk> no - ppl bought computers before without that - spectrums c64s amigas etc
Jan 06 19:52:26 <lcuk> but what they had was a clear route as to what was available and how to use it
Jan 06 19:52:36 <fysa> UI brings all of this complexity that you don't need
Jan 06 19:52:38 <Cptnodegard> i keep finding myself in the position of telling people what i got for christmas, when i say i got money and bouth a n800 internet tablett, people go ?.?
Jan 06 19:52:44 <fysa> because you have to present a user with every possible option simultaneously
Jan 06 19:52:54 <fysa> when you typed commands in, you only knew the commands you needed to know
Jan 06 19:53:16 <fysa> so you could get anyone to pop a floppy into a C64 and type LOAD "*",8,1
Jan 06 19:53:21 <Cptnodegard> it's are too advanced for most people to grasp the concept
Jan 06 19:53:25 <Cptnodegard> world is funy that way
Jan 06 19:53:36 <lcuk> for now it is - but its getting easier
Jan 06 19:54:00 <Cptnodegard> they need to stop teaching crap in school and start teaching people useful stuff
Jan 06 19:54:06 <fysa> Apple's interfaces are good at removing excess options/choices
Jan 06 19:54:20 <Cptnodegard> im studying economics, and 95% of the class are too stupid to use the basic functions in excel
Jan 06 19:54:21 <lcuk> but useful is a bit of WP, some spreadsheets, how to IM and stuff
Jan 06 19:54:59 <fysa> Linux is the worst of all.  every possible feature and option is presented.
Jan 06 19:55:06 <lcuk> 7 times over
Jan 06 19:55:16 <fysa> KDE itself has thousands of configuration options
Jan 06 19:55:19 <lcuk> (and in no way complaining)
Jan 06 19:55:24 <sk> when i copy a file to the n770 via us
Jan 06 19:55:25 <sk> b
Jan 06 19:55:29 <sk> where does it go in the local FS?
Jan 06 19:55:38 <fysa> it can take you 30 minutes to find/change a setting in the old KDE file manager
Jan 06 19:55:44 <Cptnodegard> where you put it, sk
Jan 06 19:55:52 <sk> when i access it via usb
Jan 06 19:55:55 <fysa> but this will all change eventually.
Jan 06 19:55:56 <sk> i onlt have access to one folder
Jan 06 19:56:02 <Cptnodegard> huh
Jan 06 19:56:12 <sk> I can't move up the tree/dir
Jan 06 19:56:14 <Cptnodegard> 770 different from 800/810 then
Jan 06 19:56:31 <fysa> I think you have to put the device into a different mode or something?
Jan 06 19:56:36 <sk> really ..?
Jan 06 19:56:39 <sk> i can see files
Jan 06 19:56:46 <Cptnodegard> what OS?
Jan 06 19:56:50 <sk> like /btscanner /kismet $RECYCLE.BIN
Jan 06 19:56:50 <fysa> which files?
Jan 06 19:56:54 <sk> 2006
Jan 06 19:56:58 <fysa> ah
Jan 06 19:57:00 <sk> i just don't know where those are locally
Jan 06 19:57:01 <Cptnodegard> doesnt it support 2008?
Jan 06 19:57:11 <sk> i believe the n770 does
Jan 06 19:57:14 <lcuk> put into /media/mmc2 i think
Jan 06 19:57:17 <lcuk> or mmc1
Jan 06 19:57:18 <sk> i looked there
Jan 06 19:57:21 <sk> both places
Jan 06 19:57:22 <lcuk> or somewhere
Jan 06 19:57:23 <sk> nothing
Jan 06 19:57:29 <fysa> you check /home/user?
Jan 06 19:57:30 <lcuk> oooer
Jan 06 19:57:39 <Cptnodegard> you shoudl check if it supports newer OSes
Jan 06 19:57:40 <sk> i believe so, isn't that my cwd when i invoke xterm?
Jan 06 19:57:42 <lcuk> ask clippy ;)
Jan 06 19:57:47 <fysa> yeah
Jan 06 19:57:52 <sk> oh lemme see
Jan 06 19:57:59 <fysa> find . | grep btscanner
Jan 06 19:58:45 <fysa> cd / first
Jan 06 20:00:28 <sk> its looking now
Jan 06 20:00:43 <lcuk> i miss the drive noise when a search is occuring
Jan 06 20:00:56 <lcuk> i can tell where its upto and which drive its on
Jan 06 20:02:09 <sk> so you think i should upgrade to 2008?
Jan 06 20:02:11 <sk> for the n770
Jan 06 20:02:16 <fysa> at least 2007
Jan 06 20:02:22 <fysa> check apps first before 2008 though
Jan 06 20:02:27 <sk> ok
Jan 06 20:02:36 <fysa> make sure the ports you need for day-to-day use are up on os2008..  some were slow coming
Jan 06 20:02:46 <sk> no, i dont use this thing for day to day
Jan 06 20:02:52 <sk> im attempt to dev on it
Jan 06 20:03:01 <sk> (ing)
Jan 06 20:03:36 <fysa> yeah, I bluetooth keyboard/ssh to dev server (drupal/php/python/java) and get 'real work' done
Jan 06 20:03:44 <lcuk> day-2-day for a dev is libraries
Jan 06 20:03:54 <sk> heh
Jan 06 20:03:56 <fysa> bluetooth keyboard seems a little laggy for me, but it's mostly usable
Jan 06 20:04:10 <fysa> I'd love to see an N800 with built-in 3M mini projector that was just released
Jan 06 20:04:11 <sk> i plan on using scratchbox
Jan 06 20:04:22 <sk> i got it setup and compiled some c
Jan 06 20:04:25 <lcuk> as long as all keystrokes are done in the correct order, whats a bit of lag between devices ;)
Jan 06 20:04:26 <dick-richardson> I'd love to see working repos :(
Jan 06 20:04:29 <sk> i'll proably switch to python
Jan 06 20:04:30 <fysa> I could get more use if the tiny screen could be shown at 30-40"
Jan 06 20:04:58 <lcuk> fysa - i got x11vnc and view on big monitor
Jan 06 20:05:00 <fysa> yeah, exactly lcuk.  it still works, and I still feel missed keys before I see them
Jan 06 20:05:34 <fysa> http://gizmodo.com/340816/half+inch-thick-mobile-projector-with-vga-resolution-is-available-now-from-3m
Jan 06 20:05:35 <sk> i can't find the damn files
Jan 06 20:06:38 <fysa> N800 with that would be killer.
Jan 06 20:06:43 <fysa> oh
Jan 06 20:06:44 <fysa> shit
Jan 06 20:06:47 <fysa> then you do this:
Jan 06 20:06:58 <fysa> remove the IR filter on the webcam
Jan 06 20:07:10 <fysa> point webcam at projected image
Jan 06 20:07:17 <tank-man> sk, find them from the filemanager?
Jan 06 20:07:19 <fysa> using LED pen, you can have interactive touchscreen on the wall
Jan 06 20:07:24 <fysa> with the same touch hildon interface
Jan 06 20:07:36 <sk> tank-man: I tried that
Jan 06 20:07:52 <lcuk> use a wiimote and led pen as source
Jan 06 20:07:54 <tank-man> fysa, someone did that with led pen+wiimote for the pc
Jan 06 20:08:00 <fysa> yeah, you could do it with wiimote too
Jan 06 20:08:28 <fysa> but if the device had a removable (flip switch/hit button) IR filter on the internal webcam..
Jan 06 20:08:31 <fysa> you wouldn't need it.
Jan 06 20:08:36 <rm_you> sk: I know that in 2007/2008, what the USB is doing is turning the device into an SD card reader >_>
Jan 06 20:08:43 <fysa> you can simulate motion tracking with a simple webcam and no hacks
Jan 06 20:08:44 <lcuk> wiimote has detection hardware which you would have to code up to use webcam
Jan 06 20:08:47 <sk> yeah
Jan 06 20:08:48 <sk> haha
Jan 06 20:08:51 <fysa> but it won't be as high dpi
Jan 06 20:08:56 <fysa> no, you don't usee motion detection for this lcuk
Jan 06 20:08:57 <sk> you can't access the memory card when its plugged into USB
Jan 06 20:09:01 <sk> that's why i couldn't see the files
Jan 06 20:09:01 <fysa> you only use the wii's CCD
Jan 06 20:09:10 <sk> weaksauce all over my face
Jan 06 20:09:12 <rm_you> sk: so when you are presented with the top level of the drive, it is either /media/mmc1 or /media/mmc2 >_>
Jan 06 20:09:13 <fysa> 1024x768 120hz (or 60hz) CCD
Jan 06 20:09:24 <rm_you> ah lol
Jan 06 20:09:25 <fysa> and you pick up reflected IR light
Jan 06 20:09:27 <rm_you> yeah :P
Jan 06 20:09:29 <lcuk> yer i know you use the ccd - but if you use a webcam, you must code up the image scanning and detection, with wiimote, you just get points
Jan 06 20:10:06 <sk> i'm just trying to see if the c code im compiled and ran on scratchbox will actually run on the device
Jan 06 20:10:09 <sk> word thanks guys
Jan 06 20:10:10 <lcuk> the image from the wiimote sensor is processed onboard the mote (as far as i know)
Jan 06 20:10:12 <fysa> no, you just need to remove the IR filter ;)
Jan 06 20:10:43 <fysa> see: TrackIR homebrew
Jan 06 20:12:13 <fysa> http://www.free-track.net/english/hardware/webcam_filter_removal.php?PHPSESSID=ab1341e6748966a888d99d0e6431f5f4
Jan 06 20:12:33 <fysa> the key is to track IR light and not visible light
Jan 06 20:12:40 <fysa> and provide a source, that's why you see dots for the wii
Jan 06 20:12:52 <fysa> it's giving you an image of the dots emitting from the sensor bar
Jan 06 20:12:56 <fysa> (but processed)
Jan 06 20:13:10 <fysa> http://www.thewretched.org/trackir.html
Jan 06 20:13:16 <fysa> the linux trackIR driver would do what you need.
Jan 06 20:13:37 <fysa> TrackIR is just a $150 60fps webcam with the IR filter removed
Jan 06 20:14:12 <fysa> anyway, enough dreaming..
Jan 06 20:14:14 <elb> I think you guys are talking past each other
Jan 06 20:14:19 <rm_you> is that better quality than the wiimote IR sensor?
Jan 06 20:14:22 <elb> the wii really does send coordinates, not images
Jan 06 20:14:29 <elb> but yes, you can do the same thing with images and filtering
Jan 06 20:14:48 <lcuk> but like i said, using the webcam/driver you need linux to actually scan the data for the entire image and identify the points, using the wiimote you have built in support for 4 point sources identified on the mote itself
Jan 06 20:14:51 <fysa> my point is that the wiimote is cool and I use it at home to control my Linux HTPC and love wiimote hacks
Jan 06 20:15:14 <fysa> but if they're giving us a built-in mini-projector..
Jan 06 20:15:25 <fysa> I'd like a built-in IR tracking for LED stylus usage also ;)
Jan 06 20:15:26 <lcuk> would nokia be fast enough to scan it all and be usable for other stuff?
Jan 06 20:15:30 <gnuton> Hi
Jan 06 20:15:49 <fysa> the coolest would be to set the device up on its stand..
Jan 06 20:16:06 <elb> there *is* a secondary dsp, lcuk ;-)
Jan 06 20:16:09 <fysa> and project the image right onto the desk
Jan 06 20:16:24 <fysa> or have it sit on my coffee table shooting RSS at the wall
Jan 06 20:16:32 <lcuk> there is also full powervr 3d hardware - having it there doesn't mean its usable
Jan 06 20:16:48 <elb> the DSP is usable
Jan 06 20:16:59 * lcuk retracts his rant ;)
Jan 06 20:18:50 <sk> The c code wouldn't run
Jan 06 20:18:55 <dick-richardson> is aptitude ever going to be part of maemo?
Jan 06 20:18:57 <alterego> Damnit, can't format my damn drive.
Jan 06 20:18:58 <sk> missing an .so
Jan 06 20:19:11 <dick-richardson> or a recent version of apt-get that includes autoremove?
Jan 06 20:24:34 <sk> no ldd?
Jan 06 20:24:35 <sk> wtf
Jan 06 20:26:06 <BugBlue> hello
Jan 06 20:26:09 <elb> welcome to the world of embedded platforms, sk ;-)
Jan 06 20:26:16 <sk> haha
Jan 06 20:26:20 <sk> i want to go home
Jan 06 20:26:20 <sk> = [
Jan 06 20:26:34 <sk> so can i get ld/ldconfig?
Jan 06 20:26:43 <elb> if any of the elf utils (objdump, elfdump, et al.) are available, you might be able to get linking information from them
Jan 06 20:26:44 * BugBlue wants to go in, but I have to wait 2 weeks until they sell the N810 here
Jan 06 20:26:48 <elb> otherwise, there's always scratchbox :-)
Jan 06 20:26:57 <sk> it works on scratchbox
Jan 06 20:27:04 <sk> i cp the .c binary to the device
Jan 06 20:27:06 <sk> and it doesn't run
Jan 06 20:27:16 <elb> nice
Jan 06 20:27:37 <BugBlue> you have to compile .c files
Jan 06 20:28:01 <sk> yeah I know
Jan 06 20:28:12 <rm_you> you're probably missing a dependency on the device
Jan 06 20:28:16 <sk> i compiled it in scratchbox and cp the binary to the device
Jan 06 20:28:17 <rm_you> what does it say is missing?
Jan 06 20:28:54 <sk> libhildon-1.so.0
Jan 06 20:30:27 <sk> ls
Jan 06 20:30:39 <sk> heh, opps
Jan 06 20:31:01 <BugBlue> can someone tell me something about serial USB support on the N810?
Jan 06 20:31:59 <rm_you> hrm, time to start investigating alsa-lib
Jan 06 20:32:13 <scibot> :)
Jan 06 20:32:55 <scibot> What's a good editor for python under chinook?
Jan 06 20:33:16 <rm_you> vi?
Jan 06 20:33:27 <lcuk> i use pygtkeditor - its the only one ive found
Jan 06 20:33:29 <Wikier> hi
Jan 06 20:33:34 <rm_you> vim? >_>
Jan 06 20:33:47 <scibot> rm_you, I'm use to gvim in particular.
Jan 06 20:34:04 <rm_you> well, if you're used to gvim, then you know the commands/keys for vim :P
Jan 06 20:34:13 <scibot> Nope
Jan 06 20:34:17 <rm_you> unless you lean REALLY heavily on the GUI part :/
Jan 06 20:34:24 <scibot> I do
Jan 06 20:34:27 <rm_you> :(
Jan 06 20:34:40 <rm_you> learning to really use VI is a good thing in the long run
Jan 06 20:34:44 <rm_you> so you may as well start
Jan 06 20:34:47 <rm_you> :P
Jan 06 20:35:13 <scibot> No thanks, I rather get some code done
Jan 06 20:35:16 <lcuk> sci:  http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/pygtkeditor/
Jan 06 20:35:29 <lcuk> has a "play" button ;)
Jan 06 20:35:56 <lcuk> shame i only use it to run python stuff
Jan 06 20:36:02 * lcuk misses his tabkey
Jan 06 20:36:16 <rm_you> lol
Jan 06 20:36:38 <lcuk> how could nokia have left off such an important key
Jan 06 20:37:00 <rm_you> scibot: well, it does have a decent learning curve, i admit :( though I code probably 50% faster in VI than any other editor now because of the power it gives me
Jan 06 20:37:27 <rm_you> it just took me two years of practice to break even :P
Jan 06 20:37:29 <scibot> I just don't have the patience for it right now.
Jan 06 20:37:35 <wnd> rm_you, are you really taking about vi and not vim?
Jan 06 20:37:56 <rm_you> i use the term interchangably at this point, but really talking about vim
Jan 06 20:38:27 <wnd> in that case I fully agree with you
Jan 06 20:40:19 <rm_you> i mean *really*, all you need to be able to do at first is keep good track of what mode you're in, and remember to hit ESC a lot and "i" to start typing :) and then it is basically notepad with syntax highlighting
Jan 06 20:40:28 <rm_you> and you can pick stuff up from there
Jan 06 20:41:08 <rm_you> oh, and :w to save, :q to quit, :wq to do both, and :q! to abort changes and quit
Jan 06 20:41:23 <keesj> using vi with the thumb keyboard is really a pain
Jan 06 20:41:57 <rm_you> it isn't too bad... i've gotten used to it. though, the version of vim that is in maemo seems more like VI than VIM >_>
Jan 06 20:42:00 <wnd> the three keys I use the most with vim must be "m", "`", and "A".
Jan 06 20:43:11 <scibot> Thanks lcuk, pygtkeditor will work well for now.
Jan 06 20:43:53 <rm_you> hrm... i'm not even sure i know what "m" does >_>
Jan 06 20:43:54 <scibot> Oh and the keyboard lacks home/end/pgup/down keys, so I'll have to map some combos later.
Jan 06 20:44:25 <lcuk> mini 810 kb, or bluetooth one
Jan 06 20:44:36 <scibot> Apple BT
Jan 06 20:44:48 <rm_you> lol
Jan 06 20:44:48 <lcuk> lights on now lol
Jan 06 20:45:07 * lcuk thought it was the dogs bollards ;)
Jan 06 20:45:13 <scibot> As soon as I figure xmodmap out.
Jan 06 20:45:31 <lcuk> will xmodmap work for the 810 hardware keys?
Jan 06 20:45:49 * lcuk will change the D pad middle buton for tab in a haertbeat
Jan 06 20:45:53 <scibot> I don't see why not
Jan 06 20:46:12 <lcuk> gah! i still cant type/spell at all and im on the big kb
Jan 06 20:46:26 <lcuk> i hope it doesnt map enter itself to something else
Jan 06 20:47:38 <scibot> Anyway I'll be mapping the fn + arrows to home/end/pgup/pgdown
Jan 06 21:00:04 <sk> anyone have an idea to fix that missing .so
Jan 06 21:00:27 <sk> libhildon-1.so.0?
Jan 06 21:00:46 <sk> when running a c binary im compiled in sb-arm and cp to the n770
Jan 06 21:03:23 <lcuk> is the framework set to os2006 or have you compiled it against one of the newer ones?
Jan 06 21:03:50 <sk> great question, i dont know.I followed the directions at http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/4.0/INSTALL.txt
Jan 06 21:04:12 <lcuk> the 770 cannot handle os2008/chinook/4.0 yet can it?
Jan 06 21:04:49 <lcuk> i thought that the 770 was a casualty of upgrading, ie its supported in os2006, ninja support in 2007 but not yet in 08
Jan 06 21:05:06 <sk> I really don't know, this is all very new to me
Jan 06 21:05:07 <lcuk> which os have you got installed on the device itself
Jan 06 21:05:09 <sibbe> oh crap.. /tmp tmpfs is only 512k
Jan 06 21:05:11 <sk> I've been reading a shit load
Jan 06 21:05:18 <sk> lcuk : 2006 I believe
Jan 06 21:05:32 <sibbe> and it's created inside initfs...
Jan 06 21:05:54 <lcuk> its all new to me as well - i got an 810 (with os2008) and have had similar probs but mainly because the docs are geared towards os2007
Jan 06 21:06:34 <sibbe> phew... "mount -o remount,size=1024K /tmp" worked
Jan 06 21:06:37 <lcuk> ill fire up my vmware session and have a look
Jan 06 21:06:57 <sk> word, thanks
Jan 06 21:08:05 <lcuk> on the desktop of the default install there are icons for binaries bora(2007) and chinook(2008) i think you will need to get the 2006 SDK installed and compile with that
Jan 06 21:08:22 <sk> oh lord
Jan 06 21:08:34 <sk> i thought I finally had the sdk setup
Jan 06 21:08:46 <lcuk> alternatively, you could just install python and try coding that way
Jan 06 21:09:04 <lcuk> what are you testing?
Jan 06 21:09:26 <sk> we are doing some bluetooth dev
Jan 06 21:09:32 <sk> python should be fine vs c
Jan 06 21:09:53 <lcuk> may be the simplest approach - thats what i ended up doing
Jan 06 21:10:01 <sk> word
Jan 06 21:10:15 <sk> would I still need to switch sdks?
Jan 06 21:10:19 <lcuk> learning a new language (with a big support library) was easier than going through dependency hell
Jan 06 21:10:31 <sk> do i even need the sdk for python dev/
Jan 06 21:10:42 <lcuk> i code in windows now and will tweak the hildon specifics later
Jan 06 21:10:44 <sk> well, I can test the aps on xephyer i guess
Jan 06 21:11:01 <sk> do i have to setup anything special on the n770 to run the python code?
Jan 06 21:11:06 <sk> modules, libarries and what not/
Jan 06 21:11:07 <lcuk> python+gtk apps work on nokia
Jan 06 21:11:14 <sk> yeah i get that
Jan 06 21:11:17 <lcuk> probs just those 2^
Jan 06 21:11:22 <sk> aight
Jan 06 21:11:22 <lcuk> thats all i needed
Jan 06 21:11:43 <lcuk> hope theres an install for python on your 770 tho..
Jan 06 21:11:52 <lcuk> perhaps someone with knowledge will stop lurking ;)
Jan 06 21:12:00 <elb> that reminds me that I need to spend some time with Python soon
Jan 06 21:12:15 <lcuk> every man needs to spend more time with his snake
Jan 06 21:12:20 <lcuk> ermmmm python i mean
Jan 06 21:12:31 <elb> as I have zero desire to write a GUI application from scratch in C ;-)
Jan 06 21:12:45 <lcuk> well you dont need to - gtk works
Jan 06 21:12:49 <elb> do people generally think PyGtk is good?
Jan 06 21:13:07 <lcuk> and with python, if you find its not great, you can make a gtk extension in c and use it from python
Jan 06 21:13:09 <lcuk> best all round
Jan 06 21:13:17 <lcuk> i certainly do
Jan 06 21:13:27 <sk> word
Jan 06 21:13:35 <elb> sure, I'm familiar with Gtk, C/Gtk, and scripting in general, I simply have never used Python
Jan 06 21:13:43 <lcuk> theres plenty of source and examples and help around
Jan 06 21:13:47 <sk> yeah i think you can install python from the application manager
Jan 06 21:14:00 <elb> (I'm a Pidgin developer, so I've had enough contact with Gtk to appreciate what it is and isn't in its native form)
Jan 06 21:14:12 <lcuk> another plus is being able to just run uncompiled
Jan 06 21:14:24 <lcuk> cool
Jan 06 21:14:31 <sk> yeah, that's a huge +
Jan 06 21:14:38 <elb> (which is why I have no desire to write a GUI app from scratch in C ;-))
Jan 06 21:14:51 <lcuk> lol
Jan 06 21:15:12 <elb> I personally missed the Python generation altogether, and skipped straight from Perl to Ruby, is all
Jan 06 21:15:49 <lcuk> ive been stuck in vb for years now (jumped from C on my amiga to pc+vb)
Jan 06 21:16:11 <sk> i mostly write php lately
Jan 06 21:16:13 * lcuk hates to admit the vb part
Jan 06 21:16:15 <sk> little perl and c
Jan 06 21:16:25 <sk> vb's cool for some stuff i guess
Jan 06 21:16:27 * lcuk is even more ashamed that he likes it
Jan 06 21:17:19 <lcuk> ive had 2 weeks now (off all xmas) to find a dev env i like and every single one has been better than .net
Jan 06 21:17:34 <lcuk> (which my boss is trying to move us to)
Jan 06 21:17:45 <Cptnodegard> stupid gmail :(
Jan 06 21:18:00 <Cptnodegard> i want n800 to leave the messages online, and thunderbird to download them
Jan 06 21:18:01 <blast007> lcuk: I'm quite fond the the Visual Studio environment
Jan 06 21:18:09 <blast007> of the*
Jan 06 21:18:46 <lcuk> i have loads of niggly problems with it
Jan 06 21:19:45 <sk> yeah i couldn't get into vs dev, w/c# or
Jan 06 21:20:10 <lcuk> it slows me down too much
Jan 06 21:21:06 <lcuk> simple things like finishing code, clicking a tree element and having to wait while the ide decides i am allowed to view the designer for it
Jan 06 21:21:23 * lcuk is too quick
Jan 06 21:22:00 <lcuk> how well does mono work on the nit?
Jan 06 21:22:08 <lcuk> anyone have experience
Jan 06 21:23:30 <sk> nit?
Jan 06 21:23:41 <sk> i tried to get mono working on a fedora box, .... didn't get to far
Jan 06 21:23:49 <lcuk> nokia internet tablet -  got used to typing that cos my 810 has no numbers by default
Jan 06 21:24:04 <sk> ah word
Jan 06 21:24:07 <sk> don't know
Jan 06 21:24:18 <sk> q: when i run /sbin/ldconfig on the n770
Jan 06 21:24:21 <sk> i get
Jan 06 21:24:34 <sk> can't open configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf: on such file or dir...
Jan 06 21:24:37 <sk> what the hell is that about
Jan 06 21:24:46 <sk> that seems really bad
Jan 06 21:24:46 <lcuk> (*) cool - i might get my old pda and use it as a fullscreen virt keyboard
Jan 06 21:28:56 <lcuk> dunno - whats google think about it
Jan 06 21:30:12 <sk> looking ...
Jan 06 21:38:54 <sp3000> Cptnodegard: what's the problem
Jan 06 21:39:38 <Cptnodegard> no problem anymore :D
Jan 06 21:39:51 <Cptnodegard> switched thunderbird to IMAP, using pop on n800
Jan 06 21:40:02 <Cptnodegard> that way itll leave the messages alone
Jan 06 21:40:32 <sp3000> another solution is the 'recent' pop view http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=47948
Jan 06 21:41:54 <Cptnodegard> ah, well this works, but thx :D
Jan 06 21:44:53 * lcuk vanishes
Jan 06 21:45:46 <sk> im out guys, thanks for you help, bbl
Jan 06 21:45:47 <sk> 1
Jan 06 21:55:23 <dick-richardson> have the repos been fixed?
Jan 06 21:55:40 <dick-richardson> I'd like to flash my device, but won't do it unless those are up and running
Jan 06 22:04:05 <dick-richardson> is there a way to get apt w/autoremove support?
Jan 06 22:07:30 <gnuton__> night
Jan 06 22:14:16 <Luria> dhd?
Jan 06 22:14:32 <Luria> your initials or a geeky stargate reference?
Jan 06 22:15:52 <ReverseGTR> Luria: your brain will explode and spill out of your ears for mentioning that
Jan 06 22:16:26 <Luria> brain... nope, still there.
Jan 06 22:16:36 <lcuk> it takes time
Jan 06 22:16:36 <Luria> well, as much as it's always been.
Jan 06 22:16:46 <lcuk> its more an ooze than a spill
Jan 06 22:17:17 <Luria> time and a 12 gauge buckshot blast.
Jan 06 22:17:36 <lcuk> you might want to invest in some bulletproof earplugs
Jan 06 22:18:01 <Luria> i have some impact resistant ones
Jan 06 22:18:32 <ReverseGTR> looks like it already happened to Bug Blue
Jan 06 22:18:33 <Luria> but, no, no pasgt laying about.
Jan 06 22:19:00 <Luria> its contagious
Jan 06 22:20:24 <ReverseGTR> I'm afraid so the Gulwaude
Jan 06 22:20:46 <ReverseGTR> improved their technology immensily
Jan 06 22:21:09 * ReverseGTR killed it :P 
Jan 06 22:22:04 <ReverseGTR> ow my brains! gnahh!
Jan 06 22:38:01 <rm_you> lol... dhd: same question :P
Jan 06 22:38:13 <Luria> see!\
Jan 06 22:38:40 <rm_you> !! :P
Jan 06 22:38:43 * Luria is not nuts
Jan 06 22:38:47 <rm_you> indeed.
Jan 06 22:38:55 * rm_you is nuts.
Jan 06 22:38:58 <Luria> at least not by virtue of that question.
Jan 06 22:39:20 <rm_you> well, I am nuts, so I don't know if my asking the same question absolves you :P
Jan 06 22:39:31 * rm_you goes back to hacking away at mplayer/alsa
Jan 06 22:40:25 <Luria> oh.
Jan 06 22:42:53 <dhd> my initials actually :)
Jan 06 22:44:21 <dhd> I became aware of the Stargate device just recently
Jan 06 22:44:36 <Luria> finally an answer.
Jan 06 22:44:56 <Luria> but i did suggest you initals first. :-)
Jan 06 22:46:05 <dhd> so - is there a way to define a control-key combination as a shortcut in osso-xterm? (the one that comes with OS2008)
Jan 06 22:46:19 <dhd> e.g. control-a
Jan 06 22:46:42 <sibbe> hmm that would be nice..
Jan 06 22:46:49 <sibbe> i noticed things like "Home" work
Jan 06 22:48:41 <dhd> yeah i saw some posting that indicated that <Control>a might work
Jan 06 22:49:18 <dhd> but it doesn't ... time to utsl I guess :)
Jan 06 22:50:18 <sibbe> "gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/xterm" shows them...
Jan 06 23:19:05 <jga23> is there any way to remap keys in fceu?
Jan 06 23:19:12 <unique311> was the (repostory) thing fix?
Jan 06 23:19:53 <unique311> can i use repository now, instead of repostory...
Jan 06 23:24:41 <jga23> i think so
Jan 06 23:25:05 <Cptnodegard> hmmm
Jan 06 23:25:07 <Cptnodegard> http://www.pocketables.net/2008/01/sony-mylo-2-com.html
Jan 06 23:25:10 <Cptnodegard> we have competition people :p
Jan 06 23:25:15 <Cptnodegard> ...
Jan 06 23:25:16 <Cptnodegard> not
Jan 06 23:25:31 <jga23> dhd: you figure it out?
Jan 06 23:34:42 <skibur> hello
Jan 06 23:35:10 <skibur> Anybody have a GrandCentral account?
Jan 06 23:37:10 <unique311> skibur, pm me ur email address
Jan 06 23:37:31 <skibur> o that you on youtube :P
Jan 06 23:37:36 <unique311> yea
Jan 06 23:38:44 <lcuk2> hi unique :)
Jan 06 23:40:09 <unique311> hello
Jan 06 23:41:00 <unique311> he should really get a irc client
Jan 06 23:41:07 <skibur> lol
Jan 06 23:41:07 <lcuk2> yer i should
Jan 06 23:41:07 <lcuk2> lol
Jan 06 23:41:13 <unique311> xchat is pretty good
Jan 06 23:41:26 <lcuk2> i got it now for both this win box and for the 810
Jan 06 23:41:47 <lcuk2> i just feel a bit more comfortable in webchat
Jan 06 23:41:48 <unique311> cool
Jan 06 23:41:58 <unique311> skibur you want an invite?
Jan 06 23:42:15 <skibur> yeah, did you get my email?
Jan 06 23:42:24 <unique311> did you pm it?
Jan 06 23:42:29 <skibur> yeah
Jan 06 23:42:33 <killfill> is there other mpd client for maemo, than "maemo music player client"?
Jan 06 23:42:35 <unique311> if you not register you cannot send PM/s
Jan 06 23:42:44 <skibur> ?
Jan 06 23:42:46 <skibur> o ok
Jan 06 23:42:50 <killfill> something more finger friently.. :)
Jan 06 23:42:54 <skibur> let me sign up
Jan 06 23:43:06 <unique311>  /msg nickserv register <passwrd>
Jan 06 23:43:33 <unique311> and then identify   /msg nickserv identify <passwrd>
Jan 06 23:43:35 <unique311> got it
Jan 06 23:44:35 <unique311> 4 more invites
Jan 06 23:44:49 <unique311> come and get em, while they hot.
Jan 06 23:46:07 <unique311> works, reallly good.  My cellphone is on break, I'm using the grancentral/gizmo thing as a house phone.....
Jan 06 23:46:31 <unique311> i just hope gizmo doesn't catch up to the whole thing, and put a lock on it.
Jan 06 23:47:38 <lcuk> grrr - you were right uniq - i clicked backspace and it did browser history...
Jan 06 23:47:45 * lcuk is now in xchat
Jan 06 23:48:48 <skibur> unique311, Thanks Again.  I'm set now. :)
Jan 06 23:49:14 * lcuk now has a whole new set of buttons knobs and switches to twiddle with
Jan 06 23:52:06 <Luria> right, how many are gizmo AND n8x0 users AND grandcentral users?
Jan 06 23:52:25 <Luria> i dont think this channel is a fair representation :-)
Jan 06 23:52:54 <Luria> im not worried about gizmo making a system change for a handul of users
Jan 06 23:57:07 <unique311> true
Jan 06 23:59:05 <unique311> skibur, you can use the browser on the tablet to make the calls.
Jan 06 23:59:43 <unique311> grandcentral.com/mobile is much quicker to use on the tablet.
Jan 07 00:00:48 <skibur> well
Jan 07 00:01:05 <skibur> my CenterStation will not accept my Gizmo Number :/
Jan 07 00:01:28 <skibur> sorry, GrandCentral
Jan 07 00:02:21 <unique311> centerstation?
Jan 07 00:03:36 <skibur> GrandCentral
Jan 07 00:04:03 <unique311> why
Jan 07 00:04:25 <unique311> hold on
Jan 07 00:04:34 <unique311> i remember this happening to me
Jan 07 00:05:09 <skibur> ok
Jan 07 00:05:16 <unique311> (xxx) xxx-xxxx
Jan 07 00:05:21 <unique311> that format
Jan 07 00:06:05 <unique311> then name it gizmo
Jan 07 00:07:16 <skibur> got it
Jan 07 00:07:43 <unique311> cool
Jan 07 00:07:49 <unique311> you tried it with the 1
Jan 07 00:08:12 <skibur> update rtcomm?
Jan 07 00:08:18 <unique311> nah
Jan 07 00:08:19 <skibur> are you running OS2008?
Jan 07 00:08:22 <unique311> don't need to
Jan 07 00:08:24 <skibur> o ok
Jan 07 00:08:25 <skibur> cool
Jan 07 00:08:32 <unique311> i tried updating and it wouldn't work for me.
Jan 07 00:08:45 <unique311> then i stumbled on another post that said you don't need to update
Jan 07 00:08:58 <unique311> just set up gizmo in the default client
Jan 07 00:09:16 <skibur> ok
Jan 07 00:09:26 <unique311> sip, jabber and something else is available without the need to update
Jan 07 00:10:22 <unique311> google talk is the third option.
Jan 07 00:13:22 <skibur> ok
Jan 07 00:13:29 <skibur> going to make a call
Jan 07 00:13:31 <skibur> ...
Jan 07 00:15:01 <fysa> do we have a working cbr/cbz reader for os2008?
Jan 07 00:15:37 <skibur> nice
Jan 07 00:15:39 <skibur> it work nice
Jan 07 00:15:41 <skibur> :)
Jan 07 00:15:42 <unique311> heh
Jan 07 00:15:44 <unique311> of course
Jan 07 00:15:55 <skibur> I hope it will be free
Jan 07 00:15:56 <skibur> :)
Jan 07 00:15:59 <unique311> its free
Jan 07 00:16:03 <skibur> for along time
Jan 07 00:16:10 <skibur> Beta for ever!
Jan 07 00:16:11 <skibur> lol
Jan 07 00:16:13 <unique311> just hope gizmo don't change around the system.
Jan 07 00:16:38 <unique311> but like luria stated, to make a change because of a few n8XX, and grandcentral user.
Jan 07 00:16:49 <unique311> business can't be so good
Jan 07 00:17:11 <unique311> google is not the problem
Jan 07 00:17:47 <unique311> google is basically just calling your gizmo number and the number you dialed, and connecting you two.
Jan 07 00:18:26 <unique311> but then again, i did try to call my gizmo number from my cellphone, and got an error message.
Jan 07 00:19:15 <unique311> i say google should just buy gizmo, like its buying everything else.
Jan 07 00:22:30 <alterego> Anyone know if you can get the flasher to create a fiasco image from the device?
Jan 07 00:24:43 <unique311> so the repos were fixed....
Jan 07 00:27:50 <unique311> xmms for The Maemo, hildonize?
Jan 07 00:39:58 <jga23> is there any way to remap keys in fceu for the n810?
Jan 07 00:40:38 <unique311> you check the config file?
Jan 07 00:40:44 <skibur> I tried calling my gizmo number too
Jan 07 00:40:54 <unique311> workS?
Jan 07 00:41:08 <skibur> It asked me to press 1 to accept the call
Jan 07 00:41:11 <alterego> Hmm .. Why did they get rid of the caps lock VKB key :(
Jan 07 00:41:20 <unique311> hmm
Jan 07 00:41:43 <skibur> if can bring up the keyboard, then maybe we can accept the call
Jan 07 00:41:44 <skibur> :)
Jan 07 00:41:49 <skibur> bring up notes
Jan 07 00:41:58 <unique311> you don't know how to bring up the keypad
Jan 07 00:42:11 <skibur> and when it ask to press 1 to accept, see if it will accept it
Jan 07 00:42:31 <unique311> click on internet call and then choose dtmf dailing
Jan 07 00:42:38 <skibur> o yeah
Jan 07 00:42:49 <unique311> did you try calling this from a regular phone line
Jan 07 00:42:58 <unique311> this being the gizmo number
Jan 07 00:45:00 <unique311> skibur, i think you misunderstood me,  try calling the 747 gizmo number on your house phone.
Jan 07 00:45:04 <unique311> or cellphone.
Jan 07 00:45:20 <skibur> o ok
Jan 07 00:45:28 <unique311> you will get an error message, something about the 747 not being valid.
Jan 07 00:45:34 <skibur> i was calling the GrandCentral one
Jan 07 00:45:44 <unique311> yes
Jan 07 00:45:47 <unique311> that will work.
Jan 07 00:46:00 <unique311> somehow it dials the 747 number and gets thru.
Jan 07 00:46:31 <unique311> so give out the the grancentral number, and people will be able to call you.
Jan 07 00:47:24 <unique311> when you answer, bring up the DTFM dailing pad, and press 1 to answer.
Jan 07 00:51:46 <astro76> grandcentral just makes a free sip to sip voip call ( http://www.sipphone.com/basics/ )
Jan 07 01:42:25 * alterego attempts to come up with a backup strategy for his tablet.
Jan 07 01:42:37 <alterego> So far involving mount, tar and ssh.
Jan 07 01:45:00 <astro76> rsync no good?
Jan 07 01:45:51 <Luria> dd :-)
Jan 07 01:45:59 <alterego> dd fails.
Jan 07 01:46:12 <Luria> wow. speaking of backups...
Jan 07 01:46:13 <Luria> http://www.archive.org/details/mt015
Jan 07 01:46:33 <Luria> ive never seen a rate that high
Jan 07 01:46:47 <Luria> (other than proof of concept, demos, etc)
Jan 07 01:49:48 <alterego> Well, my N810 should arrive in a couple of days :)
Jan 07 01:50:56 <alterego> I've got three projects to do for work. Which should be laid to rest by the end of the week. Then I'm going to spend the rest of the month on Ruby-Maemo.
Jan 07 01:51:29 <alterego> I've hardly done anything on it for a month now and it's making me feel kind of guilty.
Jan 07 01:56:15 <blahdeblahN800> hi - a quick straw poll: what's the next most viable language for maemo development after C/C++?
Jan 07 01:56:29 <alterego> Ruby
Jan 07 01:57:22 <packetlossmm> i've noticed many apps are done in python
Jan 07 01:57:35 * lcuk seems to like python
Jan 07 01:57:59 <alterego> Ruby is better
Jan 07 01:58:00 <Luria> brainfuck
Jan 07 01:58:03 <Luria> j/k
Jan 07 01:58:18 <Luria> python seems to be pretty popular
Jan 07 01:59:21 <blahdeblahN800> alterego: Then why do you need to spend the rest of the month working on it? :P
Jan 07 01:59:34 <Luria> ouch
Jan 07 01:59:40 <alterego> Good question.
Jan 07 01:59:46 <alterego> There are three libraries I need to bind.
Jan 07 01:59:59 <alterego> I'm also working on a port of gems, which is kind of like cpan but for ruby
Jan 07 02:00:13 <alterego> I need to optimize it quite a lot.
Jan 07 02:00:45 <alterego> I also need to move my build process to scrachbox 2.
Jan 07 02:01:09 <alterego> Aswell as start work on Ruby 1.9 ready for the next major release. Which is pretty imminent.
Jan 07 02:02:11 <blahdeblahN800> alterego: consider yourself vindicated ;-)
Jan 07 02:03:01 <blahdeblahN800> Boy this handwriting recognition is annoying me!
Jan 07 02:03:12 <blahdeblahN800> So slow
Jan 07 02:04:04 <alterego> I'd also like to work on a rewrite of the website.
Jan 07 02:04:11 <packetlossmm> i like how the middle button brings up thumb keyboard in 2008
Jan 07 02:04:28 <alterego> Do some more complete documentation, write a comprehensive and stable set of unit tests.
Jan 07 02:04:30 <Luria> it always did
Jan 07 02:05:21 <alterego> What started out being a project to allow me to comfortable hack apps for my tablet turned into my first proper OSS project.
Jan 07 02:05:26 <packetlossmm> ahh, only notived because finger presses won't register since i upgraded
Jan 07 02:05:31 <alterego> I've not even got around to writing any real maemo apps yet :(
Jan 07 02:05:44 <Luria> packetlossmm, that's new :-)
Jan 07 02:06:00 <blahdeblahN800> Ruby & Python are languages i've been meaning to learn for a while, so i might have to give them both a try
Jan 07 02:06:47 <alterego> blahdeblahN800, do it. That's how I got into Ruby. I was using Python for about 8 months. Then I started learning Ruby and within a couple of weeks I jumped ship ^_^
Jan 07 02:06:59 <alterego> But whatever, it's up to you which you prefer.
Jan 07 02:07:45 <alterego> Anyhow, I think it's about bed time now.
Jan 07 02:07:57 <blahdeblahN800> alterego: interesting - everyone i talk to seems to th.
Jan 07 02:08:09 <blahdeblahN800> aaaaargl
Jan 07 02:08:12 <alterego> Heh
Jan 07 02:08:39 <blahdeblahN800> ... think Python.is da bomb
Jan 07 02:08:55 <alterego> Python is certainly more popular. But it's been around a long time.
Jan 07 02:09:18 <alterego> Ruby is relatively new, and people are constantly jumping ship from python to ruby when they can.
Jan 07 02:09:26 <fysa> I went back to python also..
Jan 07 02:09:33 <fysa> mostly because I prefer how it handles modules
Jan 07 02:09:41 <packetlossmm> wasnt ruby created in early 90's , just not well known
Jan 07 02:09:41 <fysa> and the vast APIs/third-party modules
Jan 07 02:09:53 <alterego> I found Ruby to be more free'ing, Python somehow seems more rigid. Though the two languages share a lot. Ruby is certainly more object oriented though.
Jan 07 02:09:59 <blahdeblahN800> what made you jump ship?
Jan 07 02:10:06 <fysa> ARexx is better than either of them. ;)
Jan 07 02:10:32 * lcuk remembers arexx fondly
Jan 07 02:11:05 <alterego> Ruby has a little more lisp and smalltalk rolled in than Python does.
Jan 07 02:11:26 <alterego> Oh and did I mention Ruby is like Web 2.0?
Jan 07 02:11:36 * alterego throws in a buzz word for good measure.
Jan 07 02:11:37 <lcuk> the biggest difference with python from other languages is the formatting
Jan 07 02:11:54 <lcuk> but thats also its strength
Jan 07 02:11:56 <alterego> Yes, the indentation as syntax is a little strange to some.
Jan 07 02:12:04 <blahdeblahN800> ...hopefully minus all the (((())))
Jan 07 02:12:08 <alterego> I don't think it's a strength at all.
Jan 07 02:12:19 <alterego> I think it's just a design decision.
Jan 07 02:12:29 <lcuk> i agree
Jan 07 02:12:34 <alterego> The indentation rules in Python make crap all difference in my opinion.
Jan 07 02:12:46 <lcuk> to me its logical
Jan 07 02:12:53 * blahdeblahN800 gives up and switches to his bluetooth keyboard
Jan 07 02:12:57 <alterego> It's logical because it's a programming language :P
Jan 07 02:13:25 <lcuk> lol
Jan 07 02:13:29 <lcuk> there is that
Jan 07 02:14:23 <alterego> It's more of a short cut in someways. Which yes, is a good thing I suppose.
Jan 07 02:14:27 <alterego> But not everyone likes it.
Jan 07 02:15:04 <alterego> The indentation rule I found quite appealing actually though, when I was using python.
Jan 07 02:15:14 <thefool> any news on canola for the 770?
Jan 07 02:15:17 <lcuk> i doubt the nokia designers write in it tho - the 810 doesn't have a tab key
Jan 07 02:15:21 <blahdeblahN800> Personally, the indenting thing has been the thing that has made me hold off learning Python - y'know, the whole COBOL memories thing...
Jan 07 02:15:25 <alterego> Heh
Jan 07 02:15:37 <alterego> lcuk, they only need one space :P
Jan 07 02:15:52 <lcuk> but then it wont look right
Jan 07 02:15:56 <alterego> Never touched COBOL me.
Jan 07 02:16:06 <alterego> Oh, it's about "looks" now :P
Jan 07 02:16:11 <alterego> Poser :P
Jan 07 02:16:21 <lcuk> unless i can make a space char a big fatty
Jan 07 02:16:25 <alterego> "I code Python because it looks cool" ^_^
Jan 07 02:16:32 <thefool> lcuk: actually I think it looks better with 1-2 spaces then tabbed as you qickly start needing to scroll with normal tabs
Jan 07 02:16:33 <alterego> Sure, increase the font size :D
Jan 07 02:16:41 <alterego> My tabs are 2 spaces.
Jan 07 02:16:57 <lcuk> i come from a place where 4 spaces is also the default tab
Jan 07 02:17:06 <alterego> I believe matz (ruby god) uses 4 space tabs though
Jan 07 02:17:06 <lcuk> so for the last 7 years i have been using 4
Jan 07 02:17:12 <blahdeblahN800> My eyes aren't good enough to use indents that small... ;-)
Jan 07 02:17:18 <blahdeblahN800> 4 for me!
Jan 07 02:17:36 <blahdeblahN800> (Although i mostly code Java)
Jan 07 02:17:39 <alterego> I think anyone that uses 4 space tabs is over compensating for something else :P
Jan 07 02:17:56 * lcuk drives a small car
Jan 07 02:17:59 <alterego> thefool, must have the largest appendage here if he's prepared to use a single space ..
Jan 07 02:18:12 <blahdeblahN800> :-)
Jan 07 02:18:28 <alterego> Anyhow, it's 2:20am here. I've got to get sleep, early mornin' and all. Good night folks.
Jan 07 02:18:32 <blahdeblahN800> My tab is smaller than your tab?  Kind of reverse logic...
Jan 07 02:18:49 <blahdeblahN800> night alterego - thanks for the tips
Jan 07 02:18:51 <lcuk> i suppose i would have picked up any language as long as it cross compiled and was testable onj this windows box
Jan 07 02:18:57 <lcuk> python came along and had what i needed
Jan 07 02:19:04 <lcuk> nite alter
Jan 07 02:19:38 <lcuk> ive also got work in the morning
Jan 07 02:19:43 <lcuk> i havent been in since b4 xmas
Jan 07 02:19:48 * rm_you uses 3 space tabs
Jan 07 02:20:05 <lcuk> lol @ rm being odd
Jan 07 02:20:12 * rm_you is an oddball
Jan 07 02:20:17 <thefool> I learned python because it I needed something high level that I could take all sorts of proprietary DB and XMLish formats and store them into an SQL DB for a job I was doing. I was able to learn enough python to do that in a few hours
Jan 07 02:20:23 <rm_you> i also <3 python
Jan 07 02:20:35 <rm_you> it's a good introductory language, IMO
Jan 07 02:20:37 <blahdeblahN800> thefool: interesting
Jan 07 02:20:40 <thefool> It really is a beautiful language
Jan 07 02:20:48 <rm_you> when i try to introduce people to programming, i do it with python
Jan 07 02:20:56 <lcuk> unless rm reformats it to look cack :P
Jan 07 02:21:04 <rm_you> less annoying symbols to deal with, and the syntax is very english-like
Jan 07 02:21:11 <thefool> and then you have to tell them that "real": programming is not that fun...
Jan 07 02:21:31 <rm_you> and the "forced indentation" side effect is nice
Jan 07 02:21:34 <lcuk> i dont introduce ppl to code - its like trying to teach someone ninja skills
Jan 07 02:21:37 <rm_you> because it leads to good coding style later :P
Jan 07 02:21:42 <rm_you> heh
Jan 07 02:21:54 <packetlossmm> im stuck with vb and asp.net at work.
Jan 07 02:22:05 <lcuk> besides, you never know if they will become a grandmaster and take your job away
Jan 07 02:22:08 <rm_you> lol
Jan 07 02:22:15 <lcuk> im doin "classic" vb
Jan 07 02:22:30 * lcuk has got 15 years of code to manage
Jan 07 02:23:14 * lcuk still works with a core library written originally in that crappy dos basic :S
Jan 07 02:23:28 <thefool> I am pretty sure I did not know what code was 15 years ago
Jan 07 02:23:39 <lcuk> i knew but it wasnt my problem back then
Jan 07 02:23:52 <blahdeblahN800> lcuk: Stop it! You're hurting me!  Mum, make him stop!!!
Jan 07 02:23:54 <lcuk> i took over it all (its 99.9% vb classic now) in 2000
Jan 07 02:23:58 <packetlossmm> i was hired for an it operations job and find myself working on a cms lol
Jan 07 02:24:16 <rm_you> i do VB6 for my job >_<
Jan 07 02:24:19 <rm_you> i hate it so much
Jan 07 02:24:29 <lcuk> nothing at all wrong with vb in the right hands (mine :D )
Jan 07 02:24:35 <rm_you> 100% maintenance and feature additions <_<
Jan 07 02:24:53 <thefool> lcuk: so sad... I have an old Cish compiler from before the ANSI days it fits on a few 5 1/4's and ran in DOS, didn't think it got older than that. Guess I was wrong lol
Jan 07 02:24:54 <packetlossmm> i know its wrong in mine lol
Jan 07 02:25:25 <blahdeblahN800> Mum, now rm_you's doing it too!  Whine!  ;-(
Jan 07 02:25:46 <lcuk> fool - i was writing in c on the amiga in the 90s, the first things i got on a pc was the source to the original c compiler
Jan 07 02:25:55 <lcuk> i played with that for a while
Jan 07 02:26:46 <lcuk> then i started college and slid around doin c++ and pascal until i found vb
Jan 07 02:27:00 <thefool> I still have my first computer, an old 486...hearing of an amiga scares me.
Jan 07 02:27:24 <packetlossmm> i think its usually that vb finds you
Jan 07 02:27:30 <lcuk> i wont tell you about the hand written assembler (entered in hex) on the spectrum
Jan 07 02:27:36 <thefool> lcuk: uck you went from C to C++ to VB? And you liked it?!?
Jan 07 02:27:41 <lcuk> yes
Jan 07 02:28:34 <lcuk> front end worked - the language was easy - once i split everything up (classes/interface) its no less of a language than anything else
Jan 07 02:28:49 <thefool> I could never do any serious work in VB...maybe an interface.... but you have NO real control
Jan 07 02:29:00 <lcuk> why not? i can do anything in vb
Jan 07 02:29:18 <rm_you> VB seems like it's designed to be a prototyping language
Jan 07 02:29:31 <rm_you> which is great for menu systems and all...
Jan 07 02:29:39 <rm_you> but it doesn't have very much real power behind it
Jan 07 02:29:41 <lcuk> actually menus are the hardest things..
Jan 07 02:29:48 <lcuk> in MDIs anyway with merging
Jan 07 02:30:09 <rm_you> the program i work on is 100% menu
Jan 07 02:30:20 <rm_you> it's basically a multi-program launcher
Jan 07 02:30:32 <lcuk> then write it in any language, and build menus at runtime from the interface to your class
Jan 07 02:30:49 <lcuk> you just need html ;)
Jan 07 02:30:53 <rm_you> probably
Jan 07 02:31:17 <rm_you> i am sometimes tempted to rewrite the system in something like Java >_>
Jan 07 02:31:22 <rm_you> it would definately make my job easier
Jan 07 02:31:29 <rm_you> but i don't think i'd get paid to do that
Jan 07 02:32:13 <lcuk> eventually my boss is gonna get me to rebuild our breadwinner in .shit
Jan 07 02:34:18 <rm_you> lol
Jan 07 02:38:07 <lcuk> i think i best go bed
Jan 07 02:38:22 <lcuk> all this talk of vb has given me the shakes
Jan 07 02:38:31 * lcuk will dream of a better life with python
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