**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 02:59:58 2008 Jan 09 03:03:27 Hi I'm having some trouble geting the new os2008 on my n800 Jan 09 03:03:47 What sort of trouble? Jan 09 03:04:23 When I type in: sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -r in terminal Jan 09 03:04:37 i get a command not found : ./flasher-3.0 Jan 09 03:04:46 chmod 755 flasher-3.0 Jan 09 03:05:42 ok this is my output: flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) Jan 09 03:05:42 RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: No such file or directory Jan 09 03:05:44 Nah, you need to make sure you're in the directory where flasher-3.0 is located Jan 09 03:05:53 I am Jan 09 03:05:56 Well, where is the .bin? Jan 09 03:06:05 Use an absolute directory. Jan 09 03:06:13 what do u mean Jan 09 03:06:22 I just saved it into a folder in my desktop Jan 09 03:06:27 Linux? Jan 09 03:06:38 ubuntu Jan 09 03:06:39 ya' Jan 09 03:06:55 Where's the desktop folder on Linux? Jan 09 03:06:55 he means: sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F ~/Desktop/RX-blah.bin -f -r Jan 09 03:07:01 Right Jan 09 03:07:50 so i have to have my folder on my desktop with .bin at the end Jan 09 03:08:13 You have to tell the flasher where the .bin is Jan 09 03:08:16 It can't just guess for you. Jan 09 03:08:28 You have to tell the shell where the flasher is, too. Jan 09 03:08:39 ./ might not be right either. Jan 09 03:08:56 o ok Jan 09 03:09:38 anybody know how to configure phonelink Jan 09 03:09:49 Well, if it's saying it can't find the firmware, then he's running the flasher. Jan 09 03:10:13 dospod, correctly? :P Jan 09 03:10:38 main@shoumik-desktop:~/Desktop/N800$ sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -r would this help? Jan 09 03:10:46 yes configured correct ;] Jan 09 03:11:15 if both flasher-3.0 and RX...bin are in that directory Jan 09 03:11:28 ya they are Jan 09 03:11:31 would itmake more sense to copy the .bin file into the same folder as the flasher then the coomand is simpler? Jan 09 03:13:04 * TakMibbit wait for next status report Jan 09 03:14:06 o and what's with the no such file or directry Jan 09 03:14:33 -R Jan 09 03:14:34 which one? Jan 09 03:14:35 -R Jan 09 03:14:44 ? Jan 09 03:14:51 -r is different from -R Jan 09 03:15:07 o Jan 09 03:15:24 so: sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Jan 09 03:15:40 that doesn't work either Jan 09 03:15:48 -r tells it where the rootfs image is and -R tells it to reboot when it's done. Jan 09 03:16:00 ls -lh fl* *bin ? Jan 09 03:16:00 You have to point it to the firmware image Jan 09 03:16:10 how do you do that Jan 09 03:16:38 You said it was in a folder on your Desktop, right? Jan 09 03:16:46 ya Jan 09 03:17:01 the folders called N800 Jan 09 03:17:25 sudo ./flasher-3.0 -F ~/Desktop/N800/RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Jan 09 03:18:20 I get a: flasher v0.8.7 (Oct 17 2006) Jan 09 03:18:20 /home/shoumik/Desktop/N800/RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: No such file or directory Jan 09 03:18:39 In the folder on my desktop the image is called nokia_N800.php Jan 09 03:18:44 is that fine? Jan 09 03:18:52 Rename it to nokia_N800.bin Jan 09 03:19:04 then do use ~/Desktop/nokia_N800.bin Jan 09 03:19:08 how big is the file? Jan 09 03:19:08 kk Jan 09 03:19:19 Know bug, lcuk. Jan 09 03:19:22 n Jan 09 03:19:27 big Jan 09 03:19:46 ahh k - nokia misconfigured server? Jan 09 03:20:03 Yay i got it!!!!! Jan 09 03:20:15 Now i just have to connect my n800 Jan 09 03:20:36 w00t Jan 09 03:20:43 Mmm . . . new Mac Pros. Jan 09 03:20:50 * GeneralAntilles needs more money. Jan 09 03:21:25 they got tablets yet? Jan 09 03:21:45 We'd've heard about those. Jan 09 03:21:52 wants a new newton Jan 09 03:22:16 what's the home button? Jan 09 03:22:25 the button with a house? Jan 09 03:22:29 The button with a little house on it. Jan 09 03:22:32 kk Jan 09 03:22:32 Yeah Jan 09 03:22:34 Hold it down Jan 09 03:22:39 then keep holding it down and turn it on. Jan 09 03:23:25 lcuk, did you recieve the email Jan 09 03:24:12 k i got a finish flashing message on terminal Jan 09 03:24:15 is that a good sign Jan 09 03:24:24 not yet did i manage to get addyh rightg tghen :D Jan 09 03:25:03 yeah, i recieved the email, and sent out the invite. Jan 09 03:25:08 will get it in morning can barely type let alone open apps Jan 09 03:25:10 shoumik: Yes. Jan 09 03:25:25 thank you :) Jan 09 03:25:32 then you should get a bar going across the bottom of the screen on the device, then later it should reboot Jan 09 03:25:55 o now on my n800 it shows the nokia screen with a usb symbol at the top right Jan 09 03:26:02 should i reboot now? Jan 09 03:26:09 anybody wanna help me with phonelink Jan 09 03:26:53 dospod sorry i dont know anythin Jan 09 03:28:05 * TakMibbit know nothing also Jan 09 03:28:10 os2008 is awesome!!!!! Jan 09 03:28:25 i know somewhat but nothing about phonelink. Jan 09 03:28:27 yes os2008 is Jan 09 03:28:36 dospod, ya tried google Jan 09 03:28:41 i think i should go back to lurking its hard typing lay on back and holding nit Jan 09 03:28:42 it knows everything Jan 09 03:28:55 :0 Jan 09 03:29:00 oh noes Jan 09 03:29:04 thank you all!! Jan 09 03:29:09 Bye Jan 09 03:29:40 I wonder if he installed Ubuntu himself, or if somebody did it for him. Jan 09 03:30:01 lol gen Jan 09 03:30:42 i installed it on my sons and he played a bit but knew nothin Jan 09 03:30:49 linux doesn't require you to know stuff about directories and permissions to install it any more Jan 09 03:32:12 it wouldnt be an amazing amount of wwork to write a gui wrapper around the flasher would it? Jan 09 03:32:31 See 770Flasher Jan 09 03:32:31 no. Jan 09 03:32:45 when is adduser being ported to os2008 Jan 09 03:32:57 Yay for n770 flasher.app Jan 09 03:33:21 Esworp: no, it is impossible to flash a tablet without Microsoft Windows Jan 09 03:33:57 tek thats a lie Jan 09 03:33:59 The hell you say. Jan 09 03:34:08 i flashed mine with os x Jan 09 03:34:11 so i wonder why nokia assume linux users all know cmdline when lots dont Jan 09 03:34:17 dospod: It's true; I read it in a review. Jan 09 03:34:22 i would be nervous Jan 09 03:34:24 That's impossible. Jan 09 03:34:38 no its not Jan 09 03:34:46 (I'm just being facetious) Jan 09 03:34:52 Esworp, what is this "n770" you speak of? Jan 09 03:34:59 maemo.org has a guide for flashing on unix Jan 09 03:35:06 dos - mac has unix base Jan 09 03:35:21 It's like a palmIII but with color. Jan 09 03:36:32 Esworp, he's saying, it's a "Nokia 770", not a "Nokia n770". Pedantry. Jan 09 03:36:53 But it irritates me to no end. Jan 09 03:37:10 dam im droppin it - time to go - nite Jan 09 03:37:10 before the n800 came out, we commonly referred to a 770 as an N770, for "Nokia 770" Jan 09 03:37:48 then nokia had to go and release the n800 as an nseries device Jan 09 03:38:13 Bull, Tak. :P Jan 09 03:38:17 We, being you, maybe. Jan 09 03:38:22 we should refer to them as n770, nn800, and nn810 Jan 09 03:38:33 we being almost everyone I remember in #maemo Jan 09 03:41:32 but, much like the ruler of the Universe, I'm extremely unreliable Jan 09 03:46:25 Heya Jan 09 03:46:50 howdy Jan 09 03:46:51 My application manager seems to be hanging Jan 09 03:46:57 during the refresh Jan 09 03:47:10 I'm sniffing the traffic, and its getting a bunch of 404s back Jan 09 03:47:23 What does the log say? Jan 09 03:47:37 where do I get to log Jan 09 03:48:12 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/chinook/./Release.gpg Jan 09 03:48:31 Application Manager menu Jan 09 03:49:34 it gives me a bunch of failed to fetches Jan 09 03:50:13 On what? Jan 09 03:50:21 the repo/packages files Jan 09 03:50:26 . . . Jan 09 03:51:16 WHICH repos? Jan 09 03:51:53 yeah, I'm working on it, give me a momenet Jan 09 03:52:20 Ok, i'm stumped on how to install erming on 2008, sez i'm missing gdataclient and pysqlite. Where do i obtain these gems? Jan 09 03:52:34 Probably bora extras Jan 09 03:52:40 search gronmayer.com/it Jan 09 03:53:22 Wont application installer bitch about conpatability? Jan 09 03:53:38 Not if they're compatible. Jan 09 03:53:59 Plenty of bora stuff works just fine in chinook Jan 09 03:54:02 just not GUI stuff. Jan 09 03:54:03 You mean conpatable. Jan 09 03:54:34 I'm sure there's a joke there. Jan 09 03:55:29 There's a joke everywhere, baby. Jan 09 03:55:51 * GeneralAntilles goes back to watching Seinfeld. Jan 09 03:56:02 Nothing called gdataclient was found in the database. :\ Jan 09 03:56:04 ...except there. Jan 09 03:56:50 Same for pysqlite. Wth. Jan 09 04:14:23 it is the updates repo that is failing to get up Jan 09 04:14:34 but that looks bad on the catalogue Jan 09 04:14:35 http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/updates/chinook/ Jan 09 04:18:01 something is broken thee Jan 09 04:29:49 just got my n800 today and have upgraded it to OS2008. Is the "won't power up without removing battery for 10-30 minutes" issue common? Jan 09 04:33:05 No... Jan 09 04:41:36 a google search returned a thread with some users having this problem, but not many Jan 09 04:43:03 I wonder if that is due to rash "got to do lots with new device and barely-begun-charging batteries" behavior. Jan 09 04:43:54 i actually let the battery charge for 5 hrs before I started messing with it Jan 09 04:44:05 didn't even turn it on Jan 09 04:44:12 til the screen said "fully charged" Jan 09 04:44:28 That's good. But moreso. Jan 09 04:44:30 Get a new device, let it charge at least twice the usual charging time, longer if possible, to let battery/system tune itself to how much charge it really can hold. Jan 09 04:45:13 Might have nothing to do with your setup/issues. Jan 09 04:45:24 Flashing is hard on the system. Jan 09 04:45:28 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8274 Jan 09 04:45:40 that's the thread i found Jan 09 04:46:48 i flashed with no problems Jan 09 04:47:04 We're happy for you, tank. Jan 09 04:47:25 it actually messed up on me before I even upgraded it, freaked out a bit thinking it was DOA, then it started working. I upgraded and was able to turn on/off about 3-4 times and then tonight it did it again Jan 09 04:47:25 http://www.gronmayer.com Jan 09 04:47:28 is this working? Jan 09 04:47:38 just stating so you dont think that problem is common Jan 09 04:47:51 i didn't figure it was Jan 09 04:48:48 left it off for 30 minutes and now it turned back on Jan 09 04:49:24 is there any way to download the maps for mapper via the USB connection? Jan 09 04:49:36 the wireless connection is SOOOOO slow Jan 09 04:51:03 zetheroo, maybe you are trying to download too much Jan 09 04:51:35 well it is a lot , but its still too slow for the amount of data Jan 09 04:51:55 750 MB Jan 09 04:52:25 wow Jan 09 04:52:29 USA East? Jan 09 04:52:36 USA West is 686 Jan 09 04:53:01 I am downloading Sydney in Australia... Jan 09 04:53:10 since I'm in Texas I wonder if I'll need both.....lol Jan 09 04:53:13 zoom 4, 6, 8, 10 and 12 Jan 09 04:53:33 oakleeman, e/w of Mississippi River Jan 09 04:54:27 west Jan 09 04:54:38 Duh, I know where Texas is. Jan 09 04:54:40 i gotta buy an SD card first Jan 09 04:54:46 I meant that's where they divide the map. Jan 09 04:54:49 oh? Jan 09 04:54:52 oh..lol Jan 09 05:02:25 recommend some neat accessories? Jan 09 05:02:27 zetheroo, it's google. Jan 09 05:02:31 They throttle after a little while. Jan 09 05:02:41 oh Jan 09 05:02:43 I see Jan 09 05:05:35 Which is why it's effective to do it in chunks. Jan 09 05:07:25 does anyone have a copy of fanoush's non-whitelist usb kernel for 50-2? Jan 09 05:07:44 the link in the thread i was reading is broken :/ Jan 09 05:07:59 and the kernel on his site doesn't appear to include the whitelist patch Jan 09 05:11:26 PM him about it. Jan 09 05:11:40 Who is going to write a blset statusbar applet for me? Jan 09 05:13:31 It sounds like an easy enough task... that might be a decent intro to hildon :) Jan 09 05:13:44 Yeah, probably Jan 09 05:13:53 Don't have any machines I could run scratchbox on easily. Jan 09 05:14:01 Maybe I'll give it a shot... Jan 09 05:14:09 though I suppose i'd want to flash his blset kernel Jan 09 05:14:19 If you do, two requests: Jan 09 05:14:46 Needs to do values 1-127 with a volume-control style slider Jan 09 05:14:56 Plus and minus buttons on either end need to increment by 1. Jan 09 05:15:04 0 could actually be useful, too. Jan 09 05:15:08 But probably only for the N810 Jan 09 05:15:10 lol Jan 09 05:15:13 k Jan 09 05:15:25 time to do some research into hildon :) Jan 09 05:15:30 I wonder how long the N810 would run without the backlight. Jan 09 05:15:33 C probably? Jan 09 05:15:38 Yeah Jan 09 05:15:59 its easy to install scratchbox Jan 09 05:16:11 if you have a linux machine handy... Jan 09 05:16:23 there is an install script Jan 09 05:16:26 yea that too Jan 09 05:16:37 not if you don't have an x86 machine handy. Jan 09 05:16:42 Though I suppose I could install it on my Xbox. Jan 09 05:25:08 http://austinche.name/maemo <--- This repositories causes the the whole thing no to update!!!!! Jan 09 05:25:18 not to update Jan 09 05:25:54 avoid this !!!! Austinche repositories Jan 09 05:26:05 great!!! I was downloading 750 MB of maps and mapper just crashes after about 40% of completed downloads.... Jan 09 05:26:12 so I have to start all over again? Jan 09 05:26:27 http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=en&system=maemo4 Jan 09 05:26:56 make sure you select all except Austinche Jan 09 05:27:15 I went one by one Jan 09 05:28:26 mapper is just crashing on me everytime I try to download maps Jan 09 05:29:54 Like I said, try smaller chunks. Jan 09 05:31:44 this time I tried only zoom 4 for a single residencial area Jan 09 05:31:49 thats small no? Jan 09 05:32:10 under 50MB Jan 09 05:32:15 Zoom 4 is a little extreme Jan 09 05:32:35 well zoom 5 doesn't show me street Jan 09 05:32:36 s Jan 09 05:32:44 it was like 47 MB Jan 09 05:33:05 is VE street better? Jan 09 05:33:18 Depends on the area Jan 09 05:33:22 but generally, no. Jan 09 05:33:27 It's the same map data, basically Jan 09 05:33:30 Just different colors. Jan 09 05:33:57 I can't even delete my maps Jan 09 05:34:09 should I remove mapper and reinstall it? Jan 09 05:34:16 To what purpose? Jan 09 05:34:31 you will need to open the filemanager or xterminal and find the GMaps.db file and delete it Jan 09 05:34:40 if you want to remove your old maps Jan 09 05:34:42 well it just closes everytime I try to do anything Jan 09 05:34:54 db is probably corrupted Jan 09 05:34:56 yeah Jan 09 05:34:58 just delete it Jan 09 05:35:02 that happened to me once Jan 09 05:35:22 rm_you: but there is a function in the app for deleting maps and it crashes even when I try that Jan 09 05:35:32 hrm :/ Jan 09 05:35:39 well, try what i said, lol Jan 09 05:35:54 ok... I just got an error when I closed mapper Jan 09 05:36:09 :/ Jan 09 05:36:33 Failed to write to path database. Tracks and routes may not be saved. SQL logic error or missing database. Jan 09 05:37:03 Maybe the db is read-only? Jan 09 05:37:08 What is it on? Jan 09 05:37:19 it was working fine before Jan 09 05:37:34 I dunno where it is Jan 09 05:38:16 Did you move it? Jan 09 05:38:16 I am in File manager Jan 09 05:38:21 no Jan 09 05:38:22 never Jan 09 05:38:36 Then it's on the internal flash Jan 09 05:38:42 ok Jan 09 05:38:42 and you've probably filled it up. Jan 09 05:38:53 You need to move it to one of the external cards Jan 09 05:38:56 there is a folder named "map" in the internal flash Jan 09 05:39:10 I mean internal memory card Jan 09 05:39:11 /media/mmc1 for external, /media/mmc2/ for internal Jan 09 05:39:15 map is for "Map" Jan 09 05:39:20 its on my 4 GB card Jan 09 05:39:48 I have a 4GB SDHC card inside Jan 09 05:40:19 should I delete the map folder? Jan 09 05:40:27 OK, delete the .dbs from your system flash Jan 09 05:40:33 then point maemo mapper at mmc2 Jan 09 05:40:36 No Jan 09 05:40:40 map is for "Map" Jan 09 05:40:43 not maemo mapper Jan 09 05:41:05 oh I see Jan 09 05:41:34 how do I delete the .dbs from the system flash? Jan 09 05:41:46 Go to file manager and delete them. Jan 09 05:42:02 where would they be? Jan 09 05:42:06 can I search ? Jan 09 05:42:19 Probably /home/user/MyDocs Jan 09 05:42:26 maybe /home/user/MyDocs/Documents Jan 09 05:43:33 ok I went into the Documents folder Jan 09 05:43:43 and there is a folder there called "Maps" Jan 09 05:43:53 in there is a few files Jan 09 05:44:03 one is 95 MB Jan 09 05:44:14 GStreet.db Jan 09 05:44:31 and there is OpenStreet.db Jan 09 05:44:37 its 12kb Jan 09 05:44:53 and poi.db ... 3kb Jan 09 05:45:13 and VEHybrid.db ..... o.7 mB Jan 09 05:45:15 Delete all but poi Jan 09 05:45:48 Then open up maemo mapper and move the dbs to a card. Jan 09 05:46:47 woo, alright, kernel flashed to fanoush's blset version... Jan 09 05:46:52 now to start learning hildon :) Jan 09 05:47:22 ok the folder "Maps" is empty except for poi.db Jan 09 05:47:45 shoudl I move the Maps folder to the card? Jan 09 05:47:46 any idea what the current brightness app is called? i want to grab the icons from it Jan 09 05:49:08 how can I make mapper save the databases to the card automatically? Jan 09 05:49:12 You have to tell maemo mapper where to store them. Jan 09 05:49:25 /usr/share/icons/ Jan 09 05:49:32 Open up maemo mapper Jan 09 05:49:41 and go to the Map Repositories... menu Jan 09 05:49:44 and change the path Jan 09 05:50:29 Cache DB path... yes? Jan 09 05:50:39 Yeah Jan 09 05:51:00 Has anybody had problems with RSS feed reader on the Nokia? Jan 09 05:52:07 Everytime I refresh manually, an error states that I unable to refresh lit Jan 09 05:52:08 list Jan 09 05:52:42 anybody have this problem when using rss for 2008 updates? Jan 09 05:52:46 is the VE Street server faster to download from than the GStreet one? Jan 09 05:58:05 2008 use chinook or bora by default? Jan 09 05:58:49 /catalogue/updates/chinook/Release.gpg not found Jan 09 05:58:59 why can't my application manager (chinook) gt the updates. Jan 09 06:00:34 did you by any chance used this site to get your repositories? -----> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ Jan 09 06:08:23 penguinbait Jan 09 06:08:29 he left Jan 09 06:08:46 this is wird. Jan 09 06:08:54 skibur, no, why do you ask Jan 09 06:09:51 on repositories is broken and causes all of the repositories not to update Jan 09 06:09:58 on/one Jan 09 06:10:23 heh Jan 09 06:18:13 ok... VE Street is definitely faster than Google Street Jan 09 06:18:35 I am downloading 250 MB of maps and its abotu a 3rd done Jan 09 06:20:42 is there a clock for the notification area? Jan 09 06:21:02 osso-statusbar-cpu is a good one. Jan 09 06:22:05 is that a clock as well? Jan 09 06:22:53 Yeah Jan 09 06:23:15 http://madabar.com/techblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/exaile_maemo_20070703.png Jan 09 06:23:17 See it there. Jan 09 06:25:21 cool Jan 09 06:26:49 is it in the repos? Jan 09 06:27:39 I can't find it Jan 09 06:28:50 maemo hackers Jan 09 06:29:15 deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ chinook main Jan 09 06:29:41 echo "deb http://maemo-hackers.org/apt/ chinook main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Jan 09 06:48:38 This is weird. Jan 09 06:51:55 The repo works from one IPrange Jan 09 06:51:57 but not another Jan 09 06:55:43 /quit Jan 09 06:55:47 ? Jan 09 06:55:50 lol Jan 09 06:56:05 hehe Jan 09 06:56:11 let me tell to you something Jan 09 06:57:21 My App manager works from my tethered cell phone connection [public IP] but fails for all RFC1918 IPs Jan 09 06:58:50 hello Jan 09 06:59:00 hi Jan 09 06:59:33 hellos Jan 09 06:59:34 share in my huzzahness, openvpn is working properly - ca, windows notebook, n800, routing to all my home computers Jan 09 07:00:03 nice. Jan 09 07:00:12 Luria, good job Jan 09 07:00:16 Houz the performance. Jan 09 07:00:24 now i can set up scratchbox on my headless, pointless, debian box Jan 09 07:00:28 not bad Jan 09 07:00:51 its dependant on the wifi network im using :-)\ Jan 09 07:01:26 though apparently i didnt open ssh or anything useful on my ubuntu box... other than nfs, id think it was a semi secure windows box Jan 09 07:02:30 now i have to work on a openvpn front end, because if it's running on my n800 and i come home, the routing gets messed up, for obvious reasons. Jan 09 07:04:03 i assume debian is the best scratchbox platform? Jan 09 07:04:33 yes but sidux kernels don't work with scratchbox Jan 09 07:04:41 you need... something compiled in that i forgot the name of Jan 09 07:06:02 sid or sidux? Jan 09 07:06:59 iirc, my debian machine is running etch Jan 09 07:08:38 any gotchas to be aware of? Jan 09 07:10:46 Luria: I just recently set up scratchbox on etch. worked fine. Jan 09 07:11:11 I just did a standard install w/ a desktop environment Jan 09 07:11:24 which install script did you use Jan 09 07:11:34 sorry, this is the first chance ive had to do this Jan 09 07:12:33 also, can i do this strictly from a shell? Jan 09 07:13:10 http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_sdk.html <-- I used the script on that page, and followed the INSTALL.TXT Jan 09 07:13:24 and yeah, should be able to do it all on the shell Jan 09 07:13:26 this is just an issue with 'sidux' (the most convenient straight-debian-sid distro I know of) Jan 09 07:14:14 yeah, reading INSTALL.TXT right now Jan 09 07:15:20 one other thing, for simple cross compiling (e.g. cli apps), can that be done from a shell? Jan 09 07:15:47 i forgot if i set up nx or xrdp Jan 09 07:18:21 yeah Jan 09 07:19:09 ok, then ill go do that :-) Jan 09 07:24:10 wow, the tutorial on the wiki for making statusbar plugins is broken :/ Jan 09 07:24:42 thats a problem, cause I wanted to do a openvpn frontend as my first project :-/ Jan 09 07:25:10 is there a statusbar clock for OS2008? Jan 09 07:27:28 LoCusF: 00:17:43 < GeneralAntilles> osso-statusbar-cpu is a good one. Jan 09 07:27:28 00:19:56 < GeneralAntilles> http://madabar.com/techblog/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/exaile_maemo_20070703.png **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 09 07:33:06 2008 Jan 09 08:01:05 anyone around? Jan 09 08:07:12 Luria: if you have a question, ask it. Maybe somebody answers.. Jan 09 08:07:27 was just asking about setting up the sdk Jan 09 08:07:33 which package set to use Jan 09 08:07:59 whether there is a big difference between runtime + dev or runtime+dev+debug Jan 09 08:08:26 or why the default is not the +debug set Jan 09 08:08:31 you can change it after the fact Jan 09 08:08:40 yeah, i saw that Jan 09 08:08:57 is the debug set handy? diskspace is not an issue Jan 09 08:09:30 i am not knowlegdable enough to help, sorry Jan 09 08:09:33 np Jan 09 08:12:09 wow, the sdk server is fast Jan 09 08:12:29 i mean downloading the sdk Jan 09 08:14:25 I guess debug not set by default seemed like a good compromise between install time and functionality Jan 09 08:15:37 ah Jan 09 08:15:44 my time is worthless :-) Jan 09 08:15:54 well, at 3am it is Jan 09 08:15:58 :) Jan 09 08:16:31 i probably dont want to read this eula Jan 09 08:16:48 but those options are just some options. oen could install just the runtime system and just the dev and dbg packages that were needed Jan 09 08:16:59 they should change the "windows" key on the keyboard to the "next" key Jan 09 08:17:21 believe it or not, i actually use the windows key Jan 09 08:17:32 win+r and win+e are pretty handy Jan 09 08:17:44 would be a breeze to get thru eula and other installs Jan 09 08:18:12 what, you didnt get an ANY key with your keyboard? Jan 09 08:23:15 im trying to flash my n800 to use os2008 via this guide: http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_flashlatestnokiaimagewithlinux, but my console is stuck at suitable usb device not found, waiting Jan 09 08:23:41 is there something classic ppl fuck up here, which I might also have fucked up Jan 09 08:24:21 usually the sequence of button pressing Jan 09 08:25:15 ty Jan 09 08:25:21 hold home, hit power until you see it power up and then release the power button immediately Jan 09 08:25:43 hold home until the usb port appears onscreen (top right corner) Jan 09 08:26:14 that is continue to hold home Jan 09 08:26:44 really? well it says so there on the page Jan 09 08:26:55 it is on the page Jan 09 08:26:59 what is the reason for holding down the home key? Jan 09 08:27:03 but the timing is a pain Jan 09 08:27:09 it is working now :D Jan 09 08:27:15 np :-) Jan 09 08:27:47 the home key puts it in flash mode and not mass storage mode Jan 09 08:27:50 i assume Jan 09 08:30:16 what I've allways done is detach all cables and shut down the device, attach usb cable, run the flasher and plug in the charger Jan 09 08:32:09 odd. im surprised that works without holding home Jan 09 08:32:38 you can use plugging in instead of the power button -this i know Jan 09 08:32:54 but im surprised your method works Jan 09 08:33:37 as long as simfosho's IT is updating, it doesnt matter :-) Jan 09 08:35:43 this was really the first time I heard about holding the home key and I've flashed several devices Jan 09 08:36:14 thats the official way Jan 09 08:36:24 I flashed my N810 yesterday, it's not needed, on Linux at least Jan 09 08:36:35 all the docs (and windows installer) do it that way Jan 09 08:36:49 but my question is another Jan 09 08:36:50 maybe I should try the official way some day :) Jan 09 08:36:58 I can't get Maemo Mapper to work Jan 09 08:37:22 the included Map program works, but MM says it can't connect to the GPS device Jan 09 08:37:29 the internal one Jan 09 08:37:59 did you scan for the bluetooth mac address? Jan 09 08:38:04 the problem is I started it the first time with the GPS disabled, could that be the cause? Jan 09 08:38:16 (sorry, im not going to be a ton of help here, i dont have a n810) Jan 09 08:38:32 and of course, you have to enable gps in the menu Jan 09 08:38:33 the internal one shouldn't be bluetooth Jan 09 08:38:39 I did Jan 09 08:38:52 jjo, it's not really necessary if you get the timing right. Jan 09 08:38:53 oops Jan 09 08:38:54 of course Jan 09 08:39:43 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14120 Jan 09 08:40:13 you do need to select bluetooth, but not put in a mac address Jan 09 08:40:39 (the wonders of google) Jan 09 08:41:06 thank you! Jan 09 08:41:09 np Jan 09 08:41:32 i kinda suspected that was the case :-) Jan 09 08:41:52 I saw the device file in /dev, so I told it to use that Jan 09 08:41:57 but no dice Jan 09 08:42:52 have to say the internal GPS is rather crappy, though Jan 09 08:42:56 it is Jan 09 08:43:09 another reason i havent upgraded Jan 09 08:43:26 "upgraded" i mean :-) Jan 09 08:46:55 now there is one thing I really really want Jan 09 08:47:06 a PDF reader that works in portrait mode Jan 09 08:47:18 fbreader doesn't read PDFs Jan 09 08:47:36 and I don't feel like using plucker on all my tech books Jan 09 08:47:36 sigh. cant help you there. Jan 09 08:47:43 i miss evince. Jan 09 08:48:01 tho i dont know if it did portrait Jan 09 08:48:06 the included reader would be fine, if only it would rotate... Jan 09 08:48:17 what you really want is DE/reflowed pdf Jan 09 08:48:33 yes, evince can rotate Jan 09 08:48:45 i never noticed that under 2007 Jan 09 08:48:56 2007 had evince? Jan 09 08:48:59 yes Jan 09 08:49:08 much faster than the native pdf reader Jan 09 08:49:09 I meant that evince on gnome can rotate :) Jan 09 08:49:15 oh Jan 09 08:49:16 :-) Jan 09 08:49:30 what is the default console texteditor in os2008, im used to nano and after I just flashed my n800, it doesnt have nano installed and its not in the apt repository :| Jan 09 08:49:36 vi Jan 09 08:49:55 ah crap :p Jan 09 08:49:56 which is why vi is best (except that vim is better) Jan 09 08:50:24 nano is available Jan 09 08:50:29 vi is *always* the default editor, especially in small systems Jan 09 08:50:38 simfosho, http://www.aeracode.org/projects/maemo/ Jan 09 08:51:33 I would recommend learning a bit of vi. It's a very powerful editor, although not particulary beginner-friendly. Jan 09 08:51:52 It's not so bad once you understand the concept. Jan 09 08:51:56 actually i would suggest installing vim and running vimtutor Jan 09 08:52:09 most of what you will learn is backwards compatible Jan 09 08:52:34 also not particularly suited to a thumb-keyboard :) Jan 09 08:52:42 with the notable exception of undo, where the busybox vi sucks Jan 09 08:52:42 and I say this as a vim used Jan 09 08:53:03 I guess it's the original vi, with one level of undo Jan 09 08:53:04 awesome GeneralAntilles :D just what I needed Jan 09 08:53:20 meh - as long as you remember the cancel key = escape , it's fine - and I say this as a N800 user :-) Jan 09 08:54:01 but I did get an apple BT keyboard for longer vim sessions Jan 09 08:54:28 Wish they still had a numpad on their BT boards. Jan 09 08:54:35 seriously tho, you cant use linux without *some* vi skills Jan 09 08:54:40 Or that somebody would stick a BT module into a Model M. Jan 09 08:54:45 ha Jan 09 08:54:54 * GeneralAntilles has a new project for next summer. Jan 09 08:55:00 maybe cherry makes one ? Jan 09 08:55:08 Luria, used linux for around 8 years without ever touching vi/vim now Jan 09 08:55:23 Wonder how much it would take to talk Unicomp into it. Jan 09 08:55:40 yes, most of my colleagues don't know vi Jan 09 08:55:49 simfosho, if you find yourself using systems with busybox, it is very handy Jan 09 08:56:13 especially when there is limited space to install something else Jan 09 08:56:17 Luria: "using system with busybox" is not that a typical Linux usage scenario :) Jan 09 08:56:24 Morning, all Jan 09 08:56:27 it is here :-) Jan 09 08:56:48 there's a whole world outside there, you know ;) Jan 09 08:56:52 plus wrt distros are a common thing Jan 09 08:57:08 for moderatedly skilled users Jan 09 08:58:06 I avoided anything more than rudimentary vi for 8 years of Linux use as well Jan 09 08:58:29 i didnt say you needed anything more than rudimentary skills Jan 09 08:58:52 but if you cant switch modes, or save, or even :q Jan 09 08:58:52 it's ungodly annoying if you don't know how to cut n' paste in it though Jan 09 08:59:06 you will likely run into problems Jan 09 08:59:13 fair enough Jan 09 08:59:51 yeah if you don't know :q! then eventually something will throw you into vi based on the $EDITOR var and you'll be stuck Jan 09 08:59:58 even if it just to edit sudoers and sources.lst (or equivalent) to install the editor of your choice Jan 09 09:05:58 I think by now most "normal" users (I mean this as desktop users) can manage Linux without ever touching the shell or vi Jan 09 09:06:22 if you are tinkering on it, that's a whole different story Jan 09 09:06:38 and even then every debian/ubuntu for the last 4+ years has had nano in the default install Jan 09 09:07:06 I see many new users using synaptic to install stuff, and I absolutely don't understand how they can not hate it :) Jan 09 09:07:25 synaptic isnt too bad Jan 09 09:07:30 why hate it? Jan 09 09:07:43 ok, it's me, then Jan 09 09:07:49 a bit clunky, but it's always done what i wanted Jan 09 09:07:50 I find it very clunky Jan 09 09:08:17 it is a little painful on low end hardware, but it has type-ahead find and that's really 90% of what I want Jan 09 09:08:29 i mean, (especially on the n800) i still use dpkg and apt-get Jan 09 09:08:48 and there is always aptitude Jan 09 09:08:58 (for x86) Jan 09 09:09:12 actually, i would love aptitude for maemo Jan 09 09:09:35 <- he says while finishing up his scratchbox install Jan 09 09:10:02 strangely enough even aptitude it quite slow on my zaurus Jan 09 09:10:12 might have to do with how slow the SD access is though Jan 09 09:10:13 you have not hated a package manager until you have used the default maemo one Jan 09 09:10:19 aptitude FTW Jan 09 09:10:20 which zaurus? Jan 09 09:10:25 C1000 Jan 09 09:10:44 nice Jan 09 09:11:03 kinda Jan 09 09:11:05 i thought about that for a week before jumping on the n800 bandwagon last june Jan 09 09:11:14 good choice Jan 09 09:11:22 but the speed and lack of support turned me away Jan 09 09:11:32 the web browser situation is what killed it for me Jan 09 09:11:33 the death of my 5600 didnt hurt either Jan 09 09:11:47 I still play with it though Jan 09 09:11:49 the charging circuit just died Jan 09 09:12:31 the keyboard on it is really nice though Jan 09 09:12:47 both the 5x00 and the cxx00 keyboards Jan 09 09:13:01 yeah, i would love a nokia in c1000/3200 format Jan 09 09:13:13 where can i find (or is there) libglade2-0 for maemo? Jan 09 09:14:08 Luria: oh well, as for package managers to hate there is always dselect... Jan 09 09:14:42 meh. i miss (open)bsd's port/package system Jan 09 09:15:13 probably why i favor debian, its the most bsd like linux, imo Jan 09 09:16:13 no, that is (or rather was) slackware Jan 09 09:16:53 well, yeah, kinda Jan 09 09:17:08 i havent used slackware in a long time Jan 09 09:17:32 and maybe its the effects of time on my memories, but i find debian "cleaner" somehow Jan 09 09:17:35 cosmo, check out http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php Jan 09 09:17:58 one sec, nx'ing Jan 09 09:18:09 (maybe) Jan 09 09:19:50 yes, yes i am. Jan 09 09:20:00 god i love my new openvpn setup Jan 09 09:20:16 bora extras seems to have libglade Jan 09 09:20:42 careful with mixing that with chinook Jan 09 09:20:48 afk Jan 09 09:22:21 <|tbb|> anyone familar with the script case syntax from shell Jan 09 09:23:41 |tbb|, I know the basics Jan 09 09:24:20 |tbb|, Are you trying to do something fancy? Jan 09 09:28:58 Shot in the dark here: Does anyone know how the resolution independence in maemo is progressing? Jan 09 09:29:57 hmmm scratchbox is fun Jan 09 09:30:11 i cant wait to play Jan 09 09:30:20 johnx: You can try this on your regular pc: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=hildon&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all Jan 09 09:30:38 <|tbb|> not really i would like to know how i can fire up a function after a case is selected i will pm you just a sec Jan 09 09:30:53 johnx: There seem to be packages for gutsy, so I guess testing is easy.. Jan 09 09:34:38 <|tbb|> johnx got it? Jan 09 09:37:11 yeah, Jan 09 09:37:14 was afk Jan 09 09:37:15 oh, they are working on a resolution-indipendent UI? Jan 09 09:39:18 yeah Jan 09 09:39:24 that's great Jan 09 09:39:30 theories abound Jan 09 09:39:37 eheh Jan 09 09:39:48 good morning Jan 09 09:40:00 however, I am spoiled by using the iPhone touch screen Jan 09 09:40:07 that's really slick Jan 09 09:40:31 meh. i know some hacker buddies are impressed, but i'm just not. Jan 09 09:41:07 anybody know about making python debs? Jan 09 09:41:22 grrr.... something as useful as xrdp should be in a debian repository Jan 09 09:41:37 e.g. why doesn't python-distutils.mk work? Jan 09 09:41:46 Luria: the touch screen is much better than anything else, more sensitive, more precise Jan 09 09:42:00 as for the software, that's up to your tastes Jan 09 09:42:15 or rather, where is pyversions? Jan 09 09:42:52 maybe. i would prefer a better maemo interface and a small, long life, triband hsdpa phone. Jan 09 09:45:25 Anyone know what GTK container is being used in the brightness / volume statusbar apps? Whatever it is manages to hold a hscale widget... GTK_MENU doesn't seem to be willing to hold one, as i can't make it into a menu_item >_> Jan 09 09:45:34 morning all. Need help getting logging into SB. Started Xephyr but get "ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! (1)" trying to log into SB Jan 09 09:46:05 i got my n810! Jan 09 09:46:45 Rather, is it possible to force a GTK hscale widget into a menu container somehow? Jan 09 09:46:54 btw: this is not a new SB install. Had it running in vmware for over a month but had to restart to increase display resolution Jan 09 09:47:33 bedboi: congrats! Waiting for mine any day now. Jan 09 09:47:35 i have a problem Jan 09 09:47:45 the gps seems not to work properly Jan 09 09:47:57 i never been able to get full signal Jan 09 09:48:08 s/i/i've/ Jan 09 09:48:08 get outside and wait :) Jan 09 09:48:09 bedboi meant: i've never been able to get full signal Jan 09 09:48:14 it's just that crappy Jan 09 09:48:19 bedboi: read the long thread on ITT? Jan 09 09:48:30 matmo: nope Jan 09 09:48:41 matmo: is it a hw problem? Jan 09 09:48:58 first time can take a while Jan 09 09:49:17 matmo: can you define "while"? Jan 09 09:49:28 several minutes Jan 09 09:49:29 thats often the case for gps units Jan 09 09:49:33 best read the ITT thread. Varies Jan 09 09:49:38 ok matmo Jan 09 09:50:01 any devs? Jan 09 09:50:17 need help logging in to SB Jan 09 09:51:02 bedboi: It is the same gps as in N95. Those have a really hard time to get a fix. Jan 09 09:51:29 the one in neo seems very fast Jan 09 09:51:42 matmo, do you get an error when you run /scratchbox/login? Jan 09 09:51:50 it gets like 20 seconds Jan 09 09:51:51 bedboi: For N95 they added A-GPS to shorten the time to get a fix. Jan 09 09:52:23 bedboi: First fix is always slower. It caches the current position to get a fix quicker every time after that.. Jan 09 09:52:32 ok Jan 09 09:52:46 johnx: just "ERROR: Scratchbox is not properly set up! (1)" Jan 09 09:52:50 bedboi: Just leave it near a window and let it sit :) Jan 09 09:53:26 in my office i sit near a widow (< 1 m) Jan 09 09:53:40 so it's natural place is near a window :) Jan 09 09:54:00 btw other than this issue the device is really great Jan 09 09:54:08 the keyboard is really amazing Jan 09 09:54:59 matmo, are you on debian/ubuntu? is the /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core service started? Jan 09 09:56:26 <|tbb|> bedboi, happy hacking Jan 09 09:56:34 |tbb|: thanks Jan 09 09:57:47 johnx: I am using Puppy Linux (in VMWare). Doesn't appear to be any service running Jan 09 09:58:06 aaah Jan 09 09:58:50 hmm Jan 09 09:58:53 johnx: maybe I have missed a step but isn't it: start Xephyr, log-in to SB, start AF Jan 09 09:59:22 ...and the SB log-in would start whatever needed Jan 09 09:59:24 ? Jan 09 10:00:12 afaik I am following the destructions to the letter Jan 09 10:00:25 it could be an incompatibility between puppy linux and scratchbox Jan 09 10:00:54 is there a reason you're attached to it? trying a normal debian-based distro might be easier in the long run ... Jan 09 10:01:27 but I've had it working several times. Only changed from xorg to xvesa this morning... hmmm, maybe thats the problem Jan 09 10:01:46 oh! you already got it running once Jan 09 10:01:53 ok, well that's easier Jan 09 10:02:02 yep, for several months now Jan 09 10:02:31 I don't think the x server matters at this stage Jan 09 10:02:36 so what else did you do since the last time that you had it working? Jan 09 10:02:50 agree, nothing else changed Jan 09 10:03:10 you also might want to try /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core restart then try logging in to scratchbox again Jan 09 10:04:10 how do i compile a makefile with scratchbox? Jan 09 10:04:16 looking for it now Jan 09 10:04:20 i can't figure out how to juse compile the file Jan 09 10:04:29 chille: type "make" Jan 09 10:04:40 I assume there are other files along with it? Jan 09 10:04:47 Like something.c ? Jan 09 10:05:25 rm_you: yeah, and then i get SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set Jan 09 10:05:26 :o Jan 09 10:05:33 oh, i got the signal Jan 09 10:05:39 yes it is, i'm trying to compile sqlite3 Jan 09 10:06:23 chille: sqlite3 is already in the device? Jan 09 10:06:30 try "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=n8x0 dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b" Jan 09 10:06:30 X-Fade_: no i'ts not? Jan 09 10:07:00 X-Fade_: well maybe it is, but there is no admin tools for sqlite3 Jan 09 10:07:17 also, yes, sqlite3 is there :) Jan 09 10:07:17 X-Fade_: so i can't create and/or modify a database from the console Jan 09 10:07:42 the command line interface is via the package "sqlite" i belive Jan 09 10:07:45 *believe Jan 09 10:07:58 and where do i get that? Jan 09 10:08:04 apt-get install sqlite Jan 09 10:08:08 the only sqlite package i can find is for sqlite2 Jan 09 10:08:19 hmm Jan 09 10:08:26 chille: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/chinook/free/s/sqlite3/ Jan 09 10:09:24 well, theres another problem with running apt-get install, i don't have the root password :/ Jan 09 10:10:31 hmm.. lol.. wtf.. now "sudo gainroot" works Jan 09 10:10:55 all other times it asked me for a root password :( Jan 09 10:11:42 well, maybe it solved my problem then. thanks for the help Jan 09 10:15:56 wtf, my etch box doesnt have gcc Jan 09 10:16:07 that might be why make failed, huh. Jan 09 10:18:05 lol Jan 09 10:18:14 build-essential FTW :P Jan 09 10:18:41 meanwhile, i'm going to pass out. Jan 09 10:18:44 g'nite Jan 09 10:19:27 night Jan 09 10:21:33 sigh. my debian box is turning into a dedicated headless development machine Jan 09 10:21:44 well, it wasnt doing anything. Jan 09 10:22:27 yup, gcc will do that alright. First it's a simple package recompile then next thing you know it you're up at 3AM ... "hacking" Jan 09 10:22:38 well, its worse Jan 09 10:22:44 it was openvpn Jan 09 10:22:50 then, oh i got routing working Jan 09 10:23:03 might as well put that etch box to work Jan 09 10:23:12 then it was scratchbox Jan 09 10:23:41 but nx is screwy with resolutions, Jan 09 10:23:51 so it became, hmmm xrdp - interesting Jan 09 10:24:02 and then make failed, Jan 09 10:24:12 and then it became 5:30am Jan 09 10:24:35 johnx: ok, got the service started but now get "sudo: can't stat /etc/sudoers: No such file or directory" when attempting to log-in as "sbuser" Jan 09 10:25:01 that's no good Jan 09 10:25:08 how to create your own hildon theme Jan 09 10:25:42 never had all this before. Guess I have to add "sbuser" to sudoers? Jan 09 10:25:57 it looks like sudoers doesn't even exist Jan 09 10:25:58 otoh, i now have a real openvpn setup with certs, multiple clients, and seamless routing - not like the previous psk passthrough to my winxp box... Jan 09 10:26:23 matmo, do you think something might have broken on your puppy linux install? Jan 09 10:26:28 ...and a working scratchbox Jan 09 10:26:40 /etc/sudoers doesn't just get up and go away... Jan 09 10:26:51 X-Fade_: the sqlite in your links is only the library, not the CLI tools :( Jan 09 10:26:53 sudo rm will make it run Jan 09 10:27:00 how to create your own hildon theme? Jan 09 10:27:28 Minti, lots of google results for "howto make hildon theme" Jan 09 10:28:02 johnx: correct, doesn't exist. Maybe because Puppy originally runs as root, although I have since added another user "sbuser". Jan 09 10:28:22 right, but /scratchbox/login never complained before? Jan 09 10:28:27 johnx: still, sb login *has* worked prreviously Jan 09 10:28:35 nope Jan 09 10:29:45 hmmm, checking out "adduser" Jan 09 10:30:21 Minti, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/thememaker/ Jan 09 10:38:06 <|tbb|> whats the name of the modest developer, does he stay on irc sometimes? Jan 09 10:38:58 yeah, cant recall his name, but he's been here Jan 09 10:39:00 |tbb|: djcb and pvanhoof.. Jan 09 10:51:34 <|tbb|> thx Jan 09 10:55:44 alrighty, offline mode for me Jan 09 10:55:58 night/morning all Jan 09 10:58:15 islandsvinur: Did you call the 0800 today yet? Keep the presure high ;) Jan 09 10:58:42 X-Fade_: I'm sure someone else confused them today already :) Jan 09 10:59:18 islandsvinur: Yeah, I called them and they confirmed the problem. But they are still waiting for a solution from Nokia Finland. Jan 09 11:00:28 X-Fade_: yup, that's what I heard on the phone yesterday, they'd get back to me within 48 hours via mail, so I'll just wait (and continue playing around with my n810 ;)) Jan 09 11:00:41 islandsvinur: I also tried to order a N810 and they were going to ship it without mentioning that it is the wrong version. Jan 09 11:00:52 islandsvinur: So they haven't learnt anything :D Jan 09 11:02:15 johnx: success! I must have run "run_me_first" and selected "use sudo mode" earlier. Note to self: must make notes to self :-$ Jan 09 11:21:20 <|tbb|> when does modest look for an email? also if there is no active connection to wan? Jan 09 11:28:27 morning Jan 09 11:28:57 Is there a good intro to how to setup an svn repo anywhere? Jan 09 11:30:15 http://svnbook.red-bean.com/ Jan 09 11:30:28 Though it contains also everything else about svn also =D Jan 09 11:31:30 hmm, I'm not after the technical details, but rather what one should put inside, branches, trunk, etc. Jan 09 11:32:08 ah, looks like that's in there actually, thanks Jan 09 11:32:43 morning lardman. Did you get your 810? Jan 09 11:33:04 hullfandan: yes thanks Jan 09 11:33:13 hullfandan: how's your sdl testing going? Jan 09 11:33:39 lardman: much better for your help thanks. I'm still haveing trouble with my makefile and the sdl lib but I'll get there Jan 09 11:34:08 hullfandan: what's your problem then> Jan 09 11:34:09 lardman: but I'm happy sftp'ing stuff to the device and trying to run it on the device now thanks Jan 09 11:34:19 hullfandan: :) Jan 09 11:35:41 With the garage projects, it looks like there's a commits list and a forum, do any projects have discussion lists? Jan 09 11:36:25 lardman: basically I have lazilly been using esbox/eclispe to run my code in Xephyr as x86. I now need to sort out my make file so i can build to areml target from the command line Jan 09 11:36:48 hullfandan: ah, ok, well good luck :) Jan 09 11:37:08 lardman: and I don't think I am calling the libs correctly. I'll get there though. If I get really stuck I'll ask on here but I like to struggle with these things for t least 24 hours first ;) Jan 09 11:38:07 hullfandan: np, I'm not all that hot on Makefiles, I tend to create one then copy it for all my projects changing names as I go along Jan 09 11:39:06 lardman: me too, but that falls over a bit when you start referencing new libraries and files, etc. I am much happier today though so I'll get thre :D Jan 09 11:39:50 cool Jan 09 11:42:35 ssvb: ping Jan 09 11:42:57 lardman: pong Jan 09 11:43:47 ssvb: I was looking at that dsp colour conversion task the other day and was wondering where the call to the lcd controller to change the framebuffer format will be made? Jan 09 11:43:51 lardman: I know mud-builder has a discussion list; others probably do too Jan 09 11:44:04 ssvb: should that be done in my lib or will mplayer have already done it? Jan 09 11:44:36 Jaffa: ok, I just setup a dst-tremor garage project and thought a mailing list would be the best way to discuss things Jan 09 11:44:56 Jaffa: I'll have a look and do some more requesting :) Jan 09 11:45:22 lardman: I had an impression that DSP can request screen update itself (which is handled in kernel on ARM side without swithing to userspace) Jan 09 11:45:38 ssvb: it can perform the update, but can't change the format afaict Jan 09 11:46:11 ssvb: I presume some ioctl call must be made to say whether you want rgb or yuvXXX, etc. Jan 09 11:46:18 lardman: color format is part of screen update request (in addition to position and size) Jan 09 11:46:32 ssvb: oh, hmm Jan 09 11:47:01 ssvb: I'll have to have another look at the dsp-side update call, I didn't think it took any params (but I only had a quick look) Jan 09 11:47:47 lardman: framebuffer api is 'stateless' in this respect, which is a good thing. otherwise concurrent access to framebuffer from mplayer and xserver would have a lot more problems than we have now Jan 09 11:48:11 ssvb: Oh yes that's good, I just didn't realise it was Jan 09 11:48:55 ssvb: I'll have to get on and finishing the interface lib so you can link it to mplayer and I can start testing whether my conversion routine works Jan 09 11:48:56 why is people using mplayer instead of the included framework? Jan 09 11:49:09 ssvb, all yours :) Jan 09 11:49:25 I though that would be better because it uses the hardware decoding when available Jan 09 11:49:32 I doubt mplayer does that Jan 09 11:49:57 Gstreamer uses the dsp for audio only (it used to use it for video too) Jan 09 11:50:12 ssvb has got mplayer to use the mp3 decoder dsp task Jan 09 11:50:41 so that is a mute point for video with an mp3 audio track Jan 09 11:50:45 moot even Jan 09 11:51:53 I'm sure ssvb will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he found it easier to work with the mplayer code and people than the gstreamer ones Jan 09 11:51:59 so what is the advantage of using mplayer? broader formats support? Jan 09 11:52:12 better arm optimisation of many things Jan 09 11:52:19 and yes, more formats Jan 09 11:53:38 <|tbb|> wow @ powerlaunch 0.7 has now been released. This is the first releasewith a mce replacement and a goal of having the default install bea drop-in replacement for systemui/mce. Jan 09 11:55:36 alterego: I notice your repos is down and maemo.rubyx.co.uk has a holding page. Where should I look for updates? Jan 09 11:56:10 lardman: regarding DSP color format library, it should really improve video performance on Nokia 770 (for VGA resolution videos), though I'm not sure if it will be enough for practical use with any such high resolution videos. Anyway, it is an interesting project :) Jan 09 11:56:31 ssvb: yeah, something to occupy some spare time :) Jan 09 11:57:05 lardman: but I noticed that, at least with MediaBox (which uses mplayer), the audio playing sometimes skips when doing other things, while that doesn't happen with the built-in media player Jan 09 11:57:09 ssvb: Once I've worked out the framebuffer format it would be interesting to try scaling too, assuming it's fast enough Jan 09 11:57:25 lardman: I have some ideas for scaling too Jan 09 11:57:29 michele_: that would be a question for ssvb, not for me Jan 09 11:58:26 michele_: but I'd guess that with other things taking up cpu time, the video & audio sync suffers; I imagine this might also happen with the built in player Jan 09 11:58:45 lardman: just playing MP3s, not videos Jan 09 12:00:14 lardman: It should be possible to generate some optimized scaling functions for a few popular resolutions (QCIF, CIF, 640x360->800x450, ...) Jan 09 12:00:18 michele_: well you could probably fix that by altering the mplayer config file to use the dsp for mp3 decoding Jan 09 12:00:54 ssvb: with specific optimised instructions for each I presume Jan 09 12:02:34 lardman: I mean some automatically generated static C code (heavily unrolling loops) tuned for each source resolution separately Jan 09 12:02:52 ssvb: yep Jan 09 12:08:23 <|tbb|> anyone has ever worked with powerlaunch? Jan 09 12:20:36 i have a quick question... how to access to the luminosity sensor on n810? Jan 09 12:29:29 is it exposed in the sysfs? Jan 09 12:30:38 ah, sometimes im just to damn lucky. just found myself a used N800 :D Jan 09 12:30:47 regreets Jan 09 12:30:56 hi pupnik770 Jan 09 12:31:45 hii lardman Jan 09 12:36:16 <|tbb|> powerlaunch seems not work on n810, right now Jan 09 12:36:45 <|tbb|> cant use the power button anymore after doing the howto steps Jan 09 12:37:39 YAY. I just got my sdl code running on hardware. It crashes after a bit but I don't care, it works. That took ages :/ Jan 09 12:38:05 thanks for your help transfering it to thedevice lardman Jan 09 12:40:18 np, glad you've got it working Jan 09 12:42:35 hullfandan: i am interested in sdl Jan 09 12:43:03 do you have a page to share your experiences? Jan 09 12:43:07 * truls played around with pygame lately, fun way to do sdl on n800 :) Jan 09 12:43:09 i am your sdl friend Jan 09 12:54:10 ah, regarding lists on garage projects, I see that I can add a new one Jan 09 13:09:23 On OS2007, is there a way to switch off the dimming when the tablet has mains power? I'd like to use it as a photo frame... Jan 09 13:10:18 yes nick Jan 09 13:10:47 see pupnik.de/770power.html Jan 09 13:11:11 gives you different power profiles when on mains and on battery Jan 09 13:11:15 wb doc home Jan 09 13:11:32 hey pupnik770 Jan 09 13:12:04 you see the link on constitutional education Jan 09 13:12:06 pupnik770: thanks. 404 though? Jan 09 13:12:09 oh crap wrong channel Jan 09 13:12:20 ok nick go to pupnik.de and click on acmonitor Jan 09 13:12:42 oh, lots of cool stuff. UAE :-) Jan 09 13:12:53 yeah i dry Jan 09 13:12:53 cannon fodder?! I hope.... Jan 09 13:12:54 try Jan 09 13:13:19 uae needs work Jan 09 13:14:14 i'll get back into it soon, the battle for freedom in the USA has sidetracked my maemo work Jan 09 13:18:12 pupnik770: will this let me turn *off* the delay before dimming? I see no option for that, the max seems 2 minutes Jan 09 13:20:19 NickDe: ok the max delay is a dealybob you need to do from the command line Jan 09 13:20:26 search the internettalk forums Jan 09 13:20:49 ok, ta Jan 09 13:23:27 imm sorry we didnt make it built in Jan 09 13:23:41 you need to do some shell stuff to extend the screen timeouts Jan 09 13:24:13 I've not found a reply on ITT talk yet, just people asking the same as me :-) Jan 09 13:28:00 NickDe: sorry i don't have the link handy Jan 09 13:28:09 ok, thank you anyway Jan 09 13:28:13 search gconf and screen delay Jan 09 13:28:31 i'm on the 770 and its kind of a pita to search ITT Jan 09 13:28:43 ITT is not tabletl friendly Jan 09 13:28:55 ironic Jan 09 13:28:56 i posted a thread showing how to extend the timeouts Jan 09 13:29:21 search posts by arnims Jan 09 13:32:00 ah, thanks! Jan 09 13:32:10 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704&highlight=timeout Jan 09 13:32:50 wooo, N810 arrived! Order Sunday, despatched Monday, arrived Wednesday (std del). Happy, happy, happy :-$ Jan 09 13:33:25 Yay, Mrs Jaffa says developer N810's arrived (UK) Jan 09 13:35:13 /system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_blank_timeouts , that's very handy :-) Jan 09 13:38:11 matmo wheree Jan 09 13:38:19 uk Jan 09 13:38:27 nick yeah you can extend it Jan 09 13:38:35 should be default Jan 09 13:38:46 uk was early, kudos to the shop Jan 09 13:39:12 here's a fact to spinnn your head Jan 09 13:39:26 the omap 3430 was announced in feb 2006 Jan 09 13:40:11 two years from the soc to the products Jan 09 13:40:17 long time in the portable world Jan 09 13:41:17 pupnik770: Wait until the first Nokia phones appear with it. Then you know that a tablet with them is around the corner ;) Jan 09 13:41:32 pupnik770: N8x0 is basically a N95. Jan 09 13:42:07 hey i dont want to say bad things. nokia are HEROESs Jan 09 13:42:13 for supporting linux like this Jan 09 13:42:21 agree Jan 09 13:42:31 pupnik770: That's why I still believe we can have video-out on N8x0 ;) Jan 09 13:42:32 i'm sitting in a bar using irssi dammit Jan 09 13:42:55 you don't mean N9x0? Jan 09 13:43:06 Nope.. N800 and N810.. Jan 09 13:43:33 there is no video out for them Jan 09 13:43:39 The omap supports it and the jack plug is wired.. Jan 09 13:43:40 what u talkin bout willus Jan 09 13:43:47 it IS? Jan 09 13:43:52 what plug? Jan 09 13:44:07 The audio plug. or Nokia AV plug.. Jan 09 13:44:13 4 banded connector.. Jan 09 13:44:36 wow Jan 09 13:44:53 i need to review the schematics :P Jan 09 13:44:54 Check the default N810 customer page.. Jan 09 13:45:43 3.5 mm stereo headphone plug (Nokia AV Connector) Jan 09 13:47:22 There is support for tv-out in the linux-omap tree. The problem is that the framebuffer size is for smaller displays. So that needs to be changed. Jan 09 13:48:45 um. video out would be a huge selling point Jan 09 13:48:52 for commpeting with aqrchos etc Jan 09 13:49:08 N810 as a media center? :) Jan 09 13:49:17 pupnik770: Yeah, but it will be quite some work to get it working. Jan 09 13:49:23 if video out makes the tablet bigger i don't want that feature Jan 09 13:49:33 _if_ i'm right about it being wired :) Jan 09 13:49:43 i gotta run. cu Jan 09 13:50:23 fugitivo: The N95 has it too. It is just the audio jack. Jan 09 13:50:35 ooo sexy kb, ooo sexy pulsing greenlight :) Jan 09 13:51:00 ooo sexy cover Jan 09 13:51:28 X-Fade_: I don't like the N95 size :) Jan 09 13:51:31 for a phone Jan 09 13:51:46 fugitivo: Just saying that it doesn't make it larger ;) Jan 09 13:52:19 And I think there are other N-series with tv-out too? Jan 09 13:52:34 X-Fade_: n93/i Jan 09 13:52:51 X-Fade_: e90 has the same omap but doesn't have tvout iirc.. Jan 09 13:53:15 glass: Or it isn't enabled in software ;) Jan 09 13:53:54 X-Fade_: i'd reckon it's more to do with e90's inside screen being too hi res Jan 09 13:54:04 though it has 3d accel in hw for that too Jan 09 13:54:14 glass: Well, that is the problem we face too, I guess. Jan 09 13:54:24 glass: Hardly 320x240 ;) Jan 09 13:55:00 I think the idea of the internet tablet is working with internet/lan connections Jan 09 13:55:35 if you can stream content to your house media system, tv out is not needed Jan 09 13:55:48 Spakman, I've had issues with my server, I'm reinstalling it at the moment. So it should all be back up there by the end of the day. Jan 09 13:56:15 fugitivo: Yeah, that is why the N95 can act as a upnp server. Jan 09 13:56:42 fugitivo: We could do that too on the tablets. Jan 09 13:56:58 yeah Jan 09 13:57:15 alterego: cheers Jan 09 13:57:22 X-Fade_: does n95 upnp server support uploading? :) Jan 09 13:57:49 alterego: have you played with Ruby 1.9.0 on Maemo yet? Jan 09 13:57:52 kulve: The media center would play media off the n95.. Jan 09 13:57:58 actually my house doesn't have regular TVs, I use diskless miniitx with mythtv server Jan 09 13:58:01 good/bad experience? Jan 09 13:59:26 Spakman, only briefly. I managed to get it to compile. Jan 09 13:59:32 Problem with saying "oh, you could stream it out to your house media server" is that I want my N810 to have TV out for when I'm away from home, hotel rooms etc. Jan 09 13:59:33 Which took some effort :) Jan 09 13:59:47 When I'm at home I can use the media on my house media server directly - don't need to get the tablet involved. Jan 09 13:59:58 Spakman, I'm hoping to get a good build environment with scratchbox 2 for ruby 1.9 Jan 09 14:00:01 Jaffa: choose a hotel with modern media devices :) Jan 09 14:00:03 X-Fade_: the question is, can you send/upload a media file to some UPnP media server with the N95 Jan 09 14:00:04 Jaffa: Yeah, I now load my N95 up with videos. Works great.. Jan 09 14:00:05 ...which is exactly how I used my Archos Gmini 400 with DivX playback and TV out Jan 09 14:00:44 fugitivo: possibly, after winning the lottery and a massive investment in UK hotels (or French holiday gites/villas) Jan 09 14:00:56 dev: I only used it as server.. Jan 09 14:01:09 X-Fade_: there are rumours that it does and that's it doesn't Jan 09 14:02:17 X-Fade_: ok, cause I have that import feature in my UPnP server, and if the N95 would support that, it would be the first commercial client that supports that Jan 09 14:18:13 I don't understand this at all, can someone help me understand the rationale?: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2736 Jan 09 14:19:18 Do the N810's come with screen protectors? Jan 09 14:19:43 Nope. Jan 09 14:19:50 Shit. Jan 09 14:20:14 alterego: Well, one. If you count the factory protection thingie ;) Jan 09 14:20:32 alterego: But that one will scratch up pretty quickly.. Jan 09 14:20:39 Oh, okay. Jan 09 14:20:42 That's good then. Jan 09 14:22:39 ywwg: your comment seems fine to me Jan 09 14:24:14 ywwg: it's in the os2008 repo Jan 09 14:24:40 sp3000: not in scratchbox it's not, I can't find the deb files anywhere Jan 09 14:24:56 (which is a source only repo) Jan 09 14:26:25 Do 770 screen protectors fit the 800 BTW? If so, I'll order a 770 one from Brando workshop (I love their protectors) Jan 09 14:26:40 are the devs for peekaboo planning to release it for os2008.. Jan 09 14:26:56 Is there a way to fix the applets in place on the N810? I keep moving them by accident Jan 09 14:27:06 i just tried to build it in chinook, and am not having no success. Jan 09 14:28:05 nick_fn: probably not, the shape is completely different Jan 09 14:29:13 dpb_: ah, ok, thanks. I almost ordered one just in case :-) Jan 09 14:30:29 dick_turpin: no, not yet - I believe there's a bug open Jan 09 14:30:52 oh, maybe I didn't quite understand what a "screen protector" is.. Jan 09 14:31:38 dpb_: http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=01194 Jan 09 14:31:41 Jaffa: Guessed as much, its a real pain to get them back in place Jan 09 14:33:54 nick_fn: yeah, was checking there already :) it probably fits, as the screen should be the same size.. Jan 09 14:34:53 ok, maybe I'll go for it then... I will mail them and ask if they will make a N800 specific one first though. They will probably know if it's the same or not, then maybe the will update the product name. Jan 09 14:35:13 sp3000: can you help me find the tarball then? There's one on the website, but when I build it it's an older version than the one installed on os2008 Jan 09 14:35:44 nick_fn: it's weird they have a 770 and a N810 one, but no N800.. Jan 09 14:36:40 ywwg: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/os2008/free/source/ Jan 09 14:37:18 I didn't spot the 810 one yet. search didn't find it, but I see they have an UltraClear one now. I prefer the regular though :-) Jan 09 14:37:39 dpb_: do you think 810 might fit better? Jan 09 14:37:46 I've only ever seen an N800 in person Jan 09 14:38:51 nick_fn: http://shop.brando.com.hk/prod_detail.php?prod_id=02286&dept_id=&cat_id=0019 Jan 09 14:39:25 nick_fn: I believe they all have the same screen, so either *should* fit Jan 09 14:39:59 sp3000: great thanks. Jan 09 14:48:59 is it possible to change the startup picture of the N800? Jan 09 15:08:04 "When seconds count, just remember, the cops are only minutes away!" -- author unknown Jan 09 15:09:05 you want to get them there really quick, say officer down. Jan 09 15:09:18 blast007: thanks, but is there an OS2008 build? Jan 09 15:09:29 never fails. Jan 09 15:10:28 unique311: you call them often :) Jan 09 15:10:48 no Jan 09 15:11:04 btw, this would be on a payphone Jan 09 15:11:21 i wouldn't advise you to do it over your cell or house phone. Jan 09 15:11:26 with no overlooking CCTV cameras and keep the call <29s ;) Jan 09 15:11:34 they don't like it much. Jan 09 15:12:09 but if someone is dying, and you want them there really quick. officer down will get them there. Jan 09 15:12:15 http://inz.fi/blog/2006/07/28/clockified-osso-statusbar-cpu/ <- is everyone elses ad-block plus icon huge on this page? Jan 09 15:16:30 lardman, those cctv cams are not that accurate. Jan 09 15:17:51 but i am seeing an overwhelming number of NYPD cameras on the light poles. wonder if they are using good quality camera's in those. Jan 09 15:19:03 unique311: we have lots in the uk Jan 09 15:19:27 derf: you able to answer another one of my annoying Vorbis questions? :) Jan 09 15:20:03 hello everyone Jan 09 15:22:37 derf: I'm looking at _make_decode_table() in codebook.c and notice that the lowmem-no-byte code is different to Monty's Neuros code. Namely Monty's code seems to ignore the value of (codebook *)s->dec_nodeb Jan 09 15:23:00 derf: just wondering what this value represents and whether I should implement the changes in the lowmem-no-byte code Jan 09 15:29:37 Was ist der kommant fur screenshot gergessen? Jan 09 15:31:26 alterego: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/load-applet/ Jan 09 15:31:45 I'd prefer the command thanks :P Jan 09 15:32:05 I don't know if xwd is available in maemo Jan 09 15:32:22 osso-screenshot-tool? Jan 09 15:32:32 Ah, that might be it. Jan 09 15:32:42 which became screenshot-tool in chinook Jan 09 15:32:46 Right Jan 09 15:33:47 while we're at it, there was an enhanced osso-xterm I had used for OS2007 that I have yet to find for OS2008. Anyone here now familiar with this? Jan 09 15:34:17 How do you mean enhanced? Jan 09 15:35:11 it's not been ported afaik, there was stuff about this on the ml a few weeks ago when os2008 was released Jan 09 15:35:16 the shortcuts were along the right instead of at the bottom, there were additional shortcuts, and the shortcuts were hot-keyed, instead of, for instance, Ctrl bring up a dialogue box. Jan 09 15:35:38 all in all, it was *much* more functional for using the soft keyboard with ssh+screen Jan 09 15:36:20 read the ml discussion, the end of which was if you want it the sources are available so compile it yourself Jan 09 15:36:20 Yes, that's the same program. Jan 09 15:36:26 It's just a newer discussion. Jan 09 15:36:38 s/discussion/version/ ,, Jan 09 15:36:39 same answer I imagine :) Jan 09 15:36:46 :-( Jan 09 15:36:51 ok, thanks for the pointers. Jan 09 15:37:05 deejoe: or ask someone nicely if they'll do it for you Jan 09 15:37:23 someone, would you please compile that version for me? :-) Jan 09 15:38:20 haha, I called it "enhanced" because I was mis-remembering the word "advanced" Jan 09 15:38:22 as in http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/osso-xterm-advanced Jan 09 15:38:35 I can't get the site to respond... Jan 09 15:38:51 ah, it's woken up Jan 09 15:39:52 I wonder why it's not been updated by the author? Jan 09 15:40:33 inz: is that xterm your project? Jan 09 15:52:46 finally. Jan 09 15:52:55 got that damn thing to build. Jan 09 15:53:06 peekaboo for os2008. Jan 09 15:53:15 just hope it works now.. Jan 09 16:06:09 what's up with all the people on itt talking about the nits being locked to Sprint? Jan 09 16:06:24 I've seen that in several threads Jan 09 16:08:26 My N810 is here! Jan 09 16:08:31 huzzah! Jan 09 16:09:45 It's so sexy .. Jan 09 16:09:50 Smells funny though. Jan 09 16:10:05 Feels heavier than the N800 too ,, Jan 09 16:10:30 so i manage to get peekaboo to build for os2008, but broke my scratchbox in the process. Jan 09 16:10:33 lol Jan 09 16:10:54 how did you that? Jan 09 16:10:57 but not peekaboo's fualt. Jan 09 16:11:10 i had to remove some stuff in order to install peekaboo. Jan 09 16:11:18 and i think i broke stuff doing so. Jan 09 16:11:33 install it again Jan 09 16:11:56 apt-get makes all deps on Jan 09 16:12:17 actually i have to build peekaboo again, i was wondering why they place all the needed vlc stuff in usr/local/lib Jan 09 16:12:51 bsd way to know what is in base and what is installed later Jan 09 16:13:28 well at least peekaboo starts. Jan 09 16:13:37 so i know i did something right. Jan 09 16:13:59 shouldn't an apt-get upgrade fix anything i did wrong and fix scratchbox Jan 09 16:14:53 alterego: it *is* heavier. About 10%. But smaller. I much prefer the N810 to the N800, keyboard and cleaner styling a big part of it for me Jan 09 16:15:15 Jaffa, yes. It's beautiful. Jan 09 16:15:30 unique311, it should Jan 09 16:15:32 Jaffa, well worth the wait :) My only gripe, the pouch is horrible ;) Jan 09 16:15:51 And it smells very odd. Jan 09 16:18:46 alterego: on the upside, it's not all fuzzy, so it doesn't hang up on the inside of a pocket Jan 09 16:20:37 * michele_ didn't smell the pouch :) Jan 09 16:20:51 I think the earplugs are awful, though Jan 09 16:21:04 yeah it worked Jan 09 16:21:09 they keep dropping off my ears Jan 09 16:21:22 Hello all - quick question - on my N800 running OS2008, I try to upgrade the Operating System (script to upgrade all packages) and it tells me it is unable to - any way I can fix that? Jan 09 16:21:33 but still i'm going to rebuild it without --prefix=/usr Jan 09 16:22:08 alterego: meh, it's just being new, it'll pass Jan 09 16:22:18 The pouch doesn't smell, the whole unit smells funny :P Jan 09 16:22:34 I could so work some innuendo from that Jan 09 16:22:36 jalen: more information would be useful Jan 09 16:22:37 * michele_ sniffs Jan 09 16:22:39 Not the way the N800 smelled when it was new, which reminded me of the psion palmtops smell. Jan 09 16:22:41 Says 'Some application packages required for the update are missing' Jan 09 16:23:07 alterego: you are scary :) Jan 09 16:23:36 what weird person doesn't smell their electronics :P Jan 09 16:23:44 I'm scary because I make use of my senses? Jan 09 16:23:55 Exactly! Jan 09 16:24:13 uhm Jan 09 16:24:22 I notice their smell, yes Jan 09 16:24:35 but usually I don't compare smells Jan 09 16:24:45 Hmm, the screen protector is useless too. Jan 09 16:24:48 ummm Jan 09 16:24:51 You _have_ to take it off. Jan 09 16:24:57 or even remember how years old hardware smelled (smelt?) when it was new Jan 09 16:25:02 i shouldnt have woken up i think Jan 09 16:25:07 I think the smell is because of the metal. Jan 09 16:25:18 Where as the N800 being mostly plastic. Jan 09 16:25:44 lardman, yes Jan 09 16:25:59 ok Jan 09 16:26:10 the guy that did maemo mapper is a wizard Jan 09 16:26:48 I got my n810 today :) Jan 09 16:27:20 merlin codes for maemo? Jan 09 16:27:53 The N810's pouch is much better than the N800's though. This one at least has the advantage of keeping the device inside itself Jan 09 16:28:13 <|tbb|> i wonder how much improvements will come after "all" ppl getting their n810 now ;) Jan 09 16:28:48 ugh. wlancond makes me want to stab things. Jan 09 16:30:26 Jaffa, I just don't like the fake leather. Jan 09 16:30:39 And it smells awefull. Jan 09 16:31:23 mine doesn't. Jan 09 16:31:28 * florian wonders if someone here knows the small of old russian cameras :-) Jan 09 16:31:38 anybody knows what are the default values for WLAN seach interval and Idle times in OS2008? Jan 09 16:31:50 yes, i know that smell Jan 09 16:31:53 gonp: I seem to recall 10 and 10 Jan 09 16:31:57 old cameras rock Jan 09 16:32:11 * alterego checks for the latest software version. Jan 09 16:32:33 florian: Most of my old camera gear smells vaguely of mildew since the leather cases rot eventually. Jan 09 16:32:48 <|tbb|> dragorn have you noticed kismet wont stop that much on os2008 n810 best was 4 hours (before battery goes out ) Jan 09 16:32:55 Uh-oh, old version! Jan 09 16:32:59 * alterego prepares to flash. Jan 09 16:33:00 I have set 10 and 10, but I get this weird mesg "value conflicts with automatic connection settings in 'General'" Jan 09 16:33:21 gonp: weird, never heard of that one Jan 09 16:33:23 alterego: I quite like the new Psion smell Jan 09 16:33:40 inz: I was just wondering if you were planning on releasing an os2008 version? Jan 09 16:34:30 lardman, me too, that's why I'm dissapointed ;) Jan 09 16:34:39 gonp: mine is currently set to 10 for search, 10 for gprs idle, unlimited for wlan idle Jan 09 16:34:57 gonp: ah. and now I see that message. Interesting. Jan 09 16:35:34 dragorn: but with unlimited your WLAN will never disconn? dont you get a flat batt over night? Jan 09 16:36:58 does anyone want to be a guinea pig and try installing some packages I've rolled on the hardware? I'm fairly sure it won't hose your tablet, but no guarantees Jan 09 16:37:04 gonp: it goes to sleep even though it's connected, so the battery doesn't die too fast Jan 09 16:37:16 gonp: that pops up (it did in OS2007 as well) if you have "connect automatically to WLANs" ticked. Jan 09 16:37:36 ywwg, hell of a sales pitch :-) whatcha selling? Jan 09 16:37:36 ywwg, what you have on your mind? Jan 09 16:38:06 so... search every 10m and idel time unlimited is a good setting? Jan 09 16:38:07 it's a python2.5-based awesome rss reader, which is going to be way better than the built-in reader Jan 09 16:38:17 installing ms win on the device? Jan 09 16:38:26 <|tbb|> lardman: does it go to sleep if im connected through gtalk with precense thing? Jan 09 16:38:42 gonp: it will still drain faster that way than off completely, but it doesn't die as quickly as I expected Jan 09 16:39:36 |tbb|: I'm really talking about the connection here, I often ssh into my N800 to do DSP dev, if I leave the ssh session alone for too long it doesn't respond, I then need to make the N800 do something network related so the ssh session wakes up Jan 09 16:39:39 zoran: no, but I had to build my own gtkmozembed bindings for python Jan 09 16:39:52 Where's the home button? Jan 09 16:40:03 Oh, I think I see it. Jan 09 16:40:06 it works on x86 scratchbox, but on arm scratchbox is starts up and then immediately quits Jan 09 16:40:08 ywwg, therre is fine rawdog python rss reader Jan 09 16:40:15 I'm hoping that's just the emulation sucking Jan 09 16:40:17 |tbb|: all the while I'm connected to MSN via the Jabber server and it happily falls asleep/fails to respond to ssh Jan 09 16:41:06 zoran: mine does (will do) enclosures and podcast support built-in Jan 09 16:41:07  Jan 09 16:41:32 right now everything works except that gstreamer is not correctly discovering the file type of the downloaded files Jan 09 16:41:39 ywwg, I use rawdog on all my bpxes; command line and very simple Jan 09 16:41:53 zoran: I just want to see if the thing runs, you don't have to keep it Jan 09 16:42:05 zoran: I'm in the US, so my developer code doesn't work so I don't have hardware to test on Jan 09 16:42:08 k, post the link to source Jan 09 16:42:10 <|tbb|> is it possible to shutdown the wlancond (btw, is this the wlan connection daemon?) Jan 09 16:42:12 I just realized that one can zoom in inside the control panel... cool. Jan 09 16:42:22 http://ywwg.com/maemo/ Jan 09 16:42:31 ywwg, python works on every box Jan 09 16:42:35 k Jan 09 16:43:12 hm, what file? Jan 09 16:43:30 btw. heard of win js problem? Jan 09 16:43:32 the two ones that have "arm" in the filename Jan 09 16:44:04 there is just one Jan 09 16:44:45 gnome extras and penguinTV Jan 09 16:44:48 zoran: yes Jan 09 16:45:40 I mostly just copy python files to gadget and use it adding modules if needed Jan 09 16:46:35 the best example is getmail Jan 09 16:50:23 aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Jan 09 16:50:41 who the ****** did the rss applet for n810???!?! Jan 09 16:50:42 :-D Jan 09 16:50:43 come on.... Jan 09 16:50:50 I want the name :P Jan 09 16:50:55 easy andy Jan 09 16:50:58 it's impossible to move :S Jan 09 16:51:13 * elb boggles Jan 09 16:51:16 slow as a turtle when dragging around... Jan 09 16:51:25 what i want to know is, who had the bright idea of making the applets impossible to lock in place Jan 09 16:51:27 and almost impossible to move :\ Jan 09 16:51:43 move the device then! Jan 09 16:51:44 turn scrolling off, it helps Jan 09 16:53:16 what's the api for writing an applet? as opposed to an application? Jan 09 16:53:38 it's turned off Jan 09 16:53:52 I can resize it, but I cannot move Jan 09 16:53:58 Andy80: you need to do a swift, single drag without previously touching it Jan 09 16:54:11 aim for the toolbar, and sort of swoop down on it, drag and let go Jan 09 16:54:14 anybody using rawdog? Jan 09 16:54:31 Jaffa: in wich point do I have to touch/drag? Jan 09 16:54:37 ywwg: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Writing_a_Plug-in_for_Maemo Jan 09 16:54:41 gonp, I do Jan 09 16:55:15 lardman: dec_nodeb is the number of bytes per node in the codebook. Jan 09 16:55:32 i was using readermini but gave up, too slow... is rawdog good? Jan 09 16:55:38 X-Fade_: thanks Jan 09 16:56:11 gonp, yes, but a little slow on 770 Jan 09 16:56:24 all python is slow on it Jan 09 16:56:43 ywwg: And here are python examples: https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/maemo-af-desktop/example-plugins/src/ Jan 09 16:58:50 Andy80: OK, sequence is something like: 1) hold stylus up off the screen, 2) imagine a flat-bottomed curve which touches the screen where you want to start dragging and ends where you want to stop - this curve will be vertically perpendicular to the screen; 3) move the stylus along this curve smoothly, so you "swoop" down, pick up the applet and then drag it where you want it to go. Jan 09 16:58:58 zoran: any luck installing those/ Jan 09 16:58:59 ? Jan 09 16:59:03 Trying to do a standard drag like you'd do for a file won't work well, IME Jan 09 16:59:24 ywwg, I read 4 more channels nad have just 2 eyes Jan 09 16:59:41 zoran: hah. no rush then :) Jan 09 16:59:43 I'll try it this evening, k? Jan 09 17:00:07 ywwg, I found my love in rawdog Jan 09 17:00:28 zoran: no problem Jan 09 17:00:50 btw, what imap client do folks on this channel use? Jan 09 17:01:15 mutt has some directory handle problem Jan 09 17:01:24 I use mutt ;-) Jan 09 17:01:30 Jaffa: ehm O_o and this is called "usability" by Nokia :D ?????!! Jan 09 17:01:34 more than just inbox? Jan 09 17:01:41 yes Jan 09 17:01:49 great to hear Jan 09 17:02:09 my + is an IMAP directory, and I use +INBOX, +read-mail, +sent-mail, +lists/{listnames}, etc. Jan 09 17:02:19 Andy80: it's easy when you know how; but usability and IT OS don't go together (see #2564) Jan 09 17:02:22 it's not super smart about it, but it works Jan 09 17:02:34 elb, I must be misconfigured muttrc Jan 09 17:02:55 zoran: what problem are you having? Jan 09 17:03:14 it is not my imap server so I just cannot make another dir Jan 09 17:03:23 aloha, lots of people here. got my n810 yesterday :) Jan 09 17:03:24 maybe it is that intended Jan 09 17:03:42 even not by the hand Jan 09 17:03:48 if you simply try to save a file to imap://server/new-directory/folder it doesn't work? Jan 09 17:03:59 borism: you mock me Jan 09 17:04:01 not a new one Jan 09 17:04:09 just plane inbox Jan 09 17:04:15 yeah, I dunno -- works fine for me, I'd find out if you can do that with any client Jan 09 17:04:25 k, gonna ask an owner Jan 09 17:04:46 eheh Jan 09 17:08:58 so, is anyone running maemo on the eee ? Jan 09 17:09:09 anyone knows where to read luminosity info in n810? Jan 09 17:10:01 as in screen brightness? Jan 09 17:10:05 bedboi Jan 09 17:10:18 nope, i think n810 has a sensor Jan 09 17:10:39 um Jan 09 17:10:43 why do you think that? o0 Jan 09 17:10:44 the small stuff near the camera Jan 09 17:11:17 monteslu: Yes... i had the same thought :-) Jan 09 17:11:36 derf: so this changes how large a book can be - how many branches are possible? Jan 09 17:11:39 http://maemo.org/community/wiki/nokia_810_hardware_specification/ Jan 09 17:11:51 derf: bytes or octets? Jan 09 17:12:41 seems like an awefully weird thingy to put on the device o0 Jan 09 17:13:10 if so im guessing its to auto adjust the webcam, nothing else Jan 09 17:13:19 It automatically changes screen brightness based on environment. Works very well: goes super-bright in sunlight (e.g. for GPS in a car) Jan 09 17:13:26 Cptnodegard: No it isn't. The screen is transflective, so you can turn off the backlite when in the sun.. Jan 09 17:13:28 its to adjust screen brightness and keyboard lighting Jan 09 17:13:34 Cptnodegard: why's that Jan 09 17:13:42 it's a very funny stuff to have Jan 09 17:13:45 you can play with it Jan 09 17:13:56 Even the flashing light on this thing is sexy. Jan 09 17:14:04 yep Jan 09 17:14:07 it's quite sexy Jan 09 17:14:18 I almost want to stick it down my pants. Jan 09 17:14:24 It's just a bit cold (being metal and all) Jan 09 17:14:27 Cptnodegard: most nokias higher end phones seem to have the light sensor Jan 09 17:14:27 come on! Jan 09 17:14:28 ummm Jan 09 17:14:32 Probably wouldn't make it smell any nicer either. Jan 09 17:14:52 monteslu, there is not reason to run maemo on eee i386 Jan 09 17:15:01 I seriously need to get a new screen protector though. I'm well paranoid .. Jan 09 17:15:05 alterego's just sad there's no vibrate to go along with the led notifications Jan 09 17:15:14 Luria, that would make it better. Jan 09 17:15:18 :) Jan 09 17:15:24 alterego: well if you are used to do nasty things with your devices Jan 09 17:15:30 But I can vibrate myself if need be. Jan 09 17:15:34 eee does not have a touch screen for a start... Jan 09 17:15:36 [18:15] I seriously need to get a new screen protector though. I'm well paranoid .. <- got three in the mail today ^^ but still using the one that was on it Jan 09 17:15:48 eee looks just fine Jan 09 17:15:48 [18:13] Cptnodegard: why's that <- a better camera would be more useful :p Jan 09 17:15:51 Cptnodegard, with the annoying stickers? Jan 09 17:16:01 Cptnodegard: who cares? Jan 09 17:16:05 and I saw a touch pad Jan 09 17:16:07 i have a nikon for taking pictures Jan 09 17:16:12 [18:15] Cptnodegard, with the annoying stickers? <- the one that was on when i bought it? one sticker, which i removed easily Jan 09 17:16:27 Mine doesn't want to remove. Jan 09 17:16:27 gonp, you are correct, no touch screen Jan 09 17:16:38 nothing on the protective plastic itself Jan 09 17:16:39 luckily Jan 09 17:16:46 alterego: i found out i had a screen protector on my n800 after 5 months Jan 09 17:16:55 i hate screen protectors so bad Jan 09 17:17:03 Heh Jan 09 17:17:16 i was so happy to remove it Jan 09 17:17:22 [18:16] i hate screen protectors so bad <- lol why? i have them on everything Jan 09 17:17:27 i have some good feeling when removing screen protectors Jan 09 17:17:32 I HATE THEM Jan 09 17:17:38 wHY? Jan 09 17:17:45 I would not say that the plastic on the screen is a "screen protector" for use Jan 09 17:17:56 the very fist thing i do when i get a new device is removing shitty stuff Jan 09 17:18:05 :-) Jan 09 17:18:09 * florian too Jan 09 17:18:17 [18:17] I would not say that the plastic on the screen is a "screen protector" for use <- its see through, removeable, and protects against scratches :p Jan 09 17:18:19 like screen protectors Windows stickers and so on Jan 09 17:18:38 Cptnodegard: did you note the part _for use_ :) Jan 09 17:18:40 bedboi, you have an odd perception of screen protectors. Jan 09 17:18:47 I remember last time we had this discussion. Jan 09 17:18:47 i hate them. Jan 09 17:18:50 Why? Jan 09 17:18:54 VRe__: if it works, why not use it? :p Jan 09 17:18:58 You didn't even know you had one on the N800 for months,. Jan 09 17:19:04 * Knirch wraps bedboi in screen protectors Jan 09 17:19:25 yeah... all these people with these ugly and damaged stickers on their devices ;) Jan 09 17:19:42 It's very irrational in my opinion. Screen protectors are a must on high end touch screen devices. Jan 09 17:19:52 Sure I hate the ones they stick on phones, watches etc. Jan 09 17:20:05 But something like the internet tablets really need them to keep them prestine :) Jan 09 17:20:11 the brando ones are good... Jan 09 17:20:12 well hell have the luxury of enjoying a SP free, scratched up as hell n800 all for himself :D Jan 09 17:20:15 alterego: but there was something which told me that my n800 had something wrong Jan 09 17:20:18 * lardman doesn't use screen protectors either, you're not alone bedboi! Jan 09 17:20:29 I doubt that. Jan 09 17:20:32 Cptnodegard: that what comes with the devices is just to keep the screen clean in assembly and distribution.. same way as new many other devices have the plastic on the see-thru parts Jan 09 17:20:35 I think you're being very irrational :P Jan 09 17:20:42 * Tak no screen protector either Jan 09 17:20:49 alterego: I do not agree, modern touchscreens are that hard to damage that you do not need that crap Jan 09 17:20:50 alterego: and when i found that fucking screen protector, i knew what was wrong with my n800 Jan 09 17:21:00 the movement is growing, burn the screen protectors! Jan 09 17:21:05 alterego: after that it became a perfect device Jan 09 17:21:14 lardman: word up Jan 09 17:21:21 VRe__: i know, and most of the times that plastic comes off to easily or soemthing, but on the n800 i dont see why it cant be used as any SP until its scratched up Jan 09 17:21:23 Basically, I hate scratches. I'd much rather replace the screen protector every year or so than be without it and have the screen actually scratched. Jan 09 17:21:55 alterego: i don't use spikes when tapping on my screens Jan 09 17:22:00 I'm not sure how much cooler they can go with the N810. Jan 09 17:22:03 It's awesome. Jan 09 17:22:06 same here, alterego Jan 09 17:22:10 and in return they can be free of that fucking screen protector Jan 09 17:22:19 Maybe make the screen go up a little further to make it slightly easier to type. Jan 09 17:22:39 There's lots of little details that I'd like to see improved, but overall I'm in awe. :) Jan 09 17:22:40 maybe keep some of the useful buttons on the non-keyboard part? Jan 09 17:22:53 It's like Christmas has arrived again! Jan 09 17:22:56 i dont see any reason NOT to use a tiny, cheap piece of plastic that proects the screen should something unexpected happen Jan 09 17:22:58 bbl Jan 09 17:23:05 alterego: yeah, difficult to type with the power cord in especially Jan 09 17:23:10 I have noticed that if the screen is not clean then it will scratch up but if its cleaned regularly (wipe with shirt is enough) it should stay ok for year or two which is anyways the time it lasts Jan 09 17:23:35 lardman, I think if you've got power access then having a full keyboard would be nice :) Jan 09 17:23:46 VRe__: if one sand corn gets between the wiper and the screen by accident, that wipe will mean doom :p Jan 09 17:23:53 I'm going to purchase a micro USB keyboard I saw the other day. Jan 09 17:24:09 Cptnodegard: never had that problem Jan 09 17:24:15 YET ;) Jan 09 17:24:22 alterego: if it's plugged in then I'm at my desk so I can ssh in Jan 09 17:24:46 i once chased sheeps with the tractor key in the same pocket as my cell. since then ive used screen protectors :p Jan 09 17:24:54 is there an all in one usb host cable for the n800? Jan 09 17:24:57 lardman, sure, but there are things that you may need to do in the UI that require input. Jan 09 17:25:08 lardman, and what if you're not at _your_ desk ;) Jan 09 17:25:11 Cptnodegard: Well, that yet, is since 2005 with 770's and before that with palms.. so I would say it's quite marginal Jan 09 17:25:18 VRe__: pay attention Cptnodegard cursed your device Jan 09 17:25:29 Luria, just buy a standard USB host OTG peripheral cable. Jan 09 17:25:32 i would sell it Jan 09 17:25:37 lol Jan 09 17:25:43 Cptnodegard: leave those sheeps alone!!!11!! ;-P Jan 09 17:25:48 hmm, has anyone tried powerlaunch? Jan 09 17:26:04 Luria, they're out there. I've seen them, though I use manual host mode switching and a gender bender. Jan 09 17:26:22 Cord: they were in mah base poopin' on mah property Jan 09 17:26:37 sure ;-) Jan 09 17:26:40 bedboi: Naah, I have few in pile.. I will pick next and start scraching it up.. now scratches don't matter but that 770 white screen of death.. Jan 09 17:26:46 <|tbb|> tak i had no success on n810 Jan 09 17:26:48 AHAHA Jan 09 17:26:50 yeah, was just looking to see if anyone had ordered a specific cable and had success Jan 09 17:27:10 That's nice, the N810, in it's softcase, fits into the N800's softcase. Jan 09 17:27:57 Luria, the host cable at http://www.pc-mobile.net/zvm.htm MIGHT(!) work for auto mode Jan 09 17:28:50 <|tbb|> lardman if you ssh in at your desk could forward the maemo apps to x on your desk? Jan 09 17:28:54 yeah, was hoping for "i have this and it works" :-) Jan 09 17:29:21 [18:28] yeah, was hoping for "i have this and it works" :-) <- i have one that works, bt its DIY Jan 09 17:31:53 Luria, internettablettalk.com had someone saying they got a specific cable to work. Jan 09 17:32:01 They even had a link to the online shop. Jan 09 17:32:31 cool beans, thanks Jan 09 17:34:03 wow, someone actually using the rtcomm irc client Jan 09 17:34:04 uff.... I'm missing Xchat for N810 so much :( Jan 09 17:34:11 ummm Jan 09 17:34:22 why? there is an os2008 port Jan 09 17:34:48 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Jan 09 17:34:57 go with god Jan 09 17:35:18 Andy80: come on, you can survive that Jan 09 17:35:44 is already ported??? Jan 09 17:35:46 coooool Jan 09 17:35:56 a while ago Jan 09 17:36:06 wooow :) Jan 09 17:36:11 its supposedly a beta, but ive been using it for a couple of months Jan 09 17:36:34 * bedboi wonders what could be the reaction of Andy80 to a beautiful naked woman Jan 09 17:36:40 is the statusbar clock ported? Jan 09 17:36:46 bedboi: LOL :D Jan 09 17:37:10 depends,is she displayed in ascii on a handheld platoform? Jan 09 17:37:21 Luria: of course Jan 09 17:37:28 zoran, sure there is. the eee has a shit resolution Jan 09 17:37:55 god, i have more dropouts than a bronx high school Jan 09 17:38:07 eee has the same res as the n8x0... Jan 09 17:38:43 wtf, is |tbb| just popping in and out to give random answers? Jan 09 17:39:22 Andy80: i have xchat running on an n810 Jan 09 17:39:46 yes, I'm downloading :) Jan 09 17:39:51 oh Jan 09 17:39:55 * Mousey is late to the party Jan 09 17:40:19 blame it on lag Jan 09 17:40:23 Annoying they give us the CA-101 but don't make the device charge over USB Jan 09 17:40:29 [18:38] eee has the same res as the n8x0... <- on a twice bigegr screen :p Jan 09 17:40:50 [18:40] Annoying they give us the CA-101 but don't make the device charge over USB <- 101? not ca 100? Jan 09 17:41:02 Cptnodegard, indeed, 101 Jan 09 17:41:07 whats the difference? Jan 09 17:41:19 CA-101 is micro USB and has charging :) Jan 09 17:41:29 oh.... Jan 09 17:41:33 But the N810 obviously doesn't .. Jan 09 17:41:38 Support charging that is. Jan 09 17:41:44 http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.4860 <- cause i ordered that Jan 09 17:42:21 Yeah, that's completely different. Jan 09 17:42:23 combined with http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3205 and http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.488 it should provide some extra power on the run :) Jan 09 17:42:29 That's a USB to Nokia power connector. ;) Jan 09 17:42:37 yeah i know, just started wondering if the 100 didnt work Jan 09 17:42:43 I want to get one of those for my powered hub. Jan 09 17:42:54 hey, that could be useful Jan 09 17:43:02 So I can plug everything into the hub and just stick the hub power in. Jan 09 17:43:12 i got that package, and a ac-usb adapter Jan 09 17:43:18 Great for USB OTG host mode :) Jan 09 17:43:33 got some spare cables and made short ones: http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/charger.jpg Jan 09 17:43:43 waiting for the ca100 Jan 09 17:44:02 brb Jan 09 17:44:28 Cptnodegard, the CA-101 is supplied _with_ the N810, and the cable is supposed to support charging. I guess it's something Nokia plan on implementing in phones/tablets in the future. Jan 09 17:45:00 ah... is it true what i hear that a gender bender is all you need for host mode (auto) on the 810? Jan 09 17:45:20 Cptnodegard, no, it wont auto switch. Jan 09 17:45:30 ewww Jan 09 17:45:47 The switching is triggered by a short in the Mini USB connectors. Jan 09 17:45:53 i know, made one Jan 09 17:46:06 just thought the 810 was different as miniusb is 7 connectors or so Jan 09 17:46:12 Well, those pins don't have A counter parts. They're specific to Mini USB. Jan 09 17:46:33 Same number of pins I thought .. Mini and Micro. Jan 09 17:46:45 back, from the 810 :) Jan 09 17:47:02 not on my wowon d2, alnr Jan 09 17:47:06 *alterego Jan 09 17:47:10 Well, I finally believe that the N810 exists. Jan 09 17:47:25 wowon d2, alnr? Jan 09 17:47:30 Is that Gaelic? Jan 09 17:47:47 nah mirc autocomplete for "al" didnt spit out alterego :p Jan 09 17:47:56 Hahah Jan 09 17:47:59 it was supposed to say "cowon d2, alterego" Jan 09 17:48:24 thats my mp3 player, it uses a mini USB for...usb, and a micro USB 7 pin (or so) for tv out, line in and charging Jan 09 17:49:18 d2 seems like a fantastic player Jan 09 17:49:40 it is, except for some firmware issues, but nothing too critical Jan 09 17:49:45 I have like 10 Nokia power chargers now. Jan 09 17:49:51 8 new and 2 old school. Jan 09 17:51:06 lol why? Jan 09 17:52:21 Just collected them through the years from all the tablets etc. Jan 09 17:52:38 I have 3 just from tablets. Jan 09 17:52:45 770,800,810? Jan 09 17:52:49 Yeah Jan 09 17:52:53 nice ^^ Jan 09 17:53:03 dev price for 810? Jan 09 17:53:14 Yes, the N810 is the only one I got on the device program. Jan 09 17:53:35 its too expensive for buying fully priced so i hope you didnt pay full Jan 09 17:53:37 I applied to the 770 program but didn't get accepted and I only got my first tablets August last year. Jan 09 17:53:38 :p Jan 09 17:53:48 Bought an N800 for 200 GBP and a 770 for 70 GBP. Jan 09 17:54:11 800 is 130 now for those lucky enough to be in the uk Jan 09 17:54:14 I then started ruby-maemo and that got me accepted into the device program. Jan 09 17:54:21 Cptnodegard, indeed :/ Jan 09 17:54:39 If I'd have waited though, I wouldn't have all three tablets now, as I would never have got accepted into the device program ^_^ Jan 09 17:54:50 lol Jan 09 17:55:13 And it's been really fun, really fun and exciting and I've learned a lot. Jan 09 17:55:19 Gained valuable experience too. Jan 09 17:55:34 well i only have one, the 800, and im glad i prefer that to the 810 as 10GB limit on the 810 is a dealbreaker Jan 09 17:56:03 That's just because you can't get larger Mini/Micro-SD cards .. Jan 09 17:56:20 * alterego connects his N810 (host mode) to his N800 (slave mode) Jan 09 17:56:23 Tablet sex. Jan 09 17:56:35 I agree about the storage Jan 09 17:56:48 im surprised of what it can today... today i was on two irc channels ond msn with pidgin, downloading with transmission, talking on gtalk and uploading to photobucket and it still pulled through, although slowly Jan 09 17:57:02 Heh Jan 09 17:57:07 All through a GSM connection? :D Jan 09 17:57:11 ^_^ Jan 09 17:57:13 lol Jan 09 17:57:28 never had a pda before either so big change from a cheap SE cellphone :p Jan 09 17:57:49 multitasking on my phone = entering the menu while talking to someone -.- Jan 09 17:57:56 I'm getting a HSPDA capable cell soon. Jan 09 17:58:03 Probably an N95 20G Jan 09 17:58:10 Sorry, N95 250G Jan 09 17:58:28 Yeah, I like phones that do that. Jan 09 17:58:35 Especially with speaker phone .. :) Jan 09 17:58:58 You can literally add a contact whilst talking to the person giving you the number. Or dictate the number to some one else. Jan 09 17:59:07 (early bluetooth) Jan 09 17:59:13 yup Jan 09 17:59:16 Better range mind, just charged more. Jan 09 17:59:31 my phone only has edge... and it costs 2,5 euro per MB anyways Jan 09 17:59:44 Yeah, EDGE is super cheap. Jan 09 17:59:55 "cheap"??? Jan 09 18:00:02 But as my employer is paying for the monthly HSPDA charge for me .. Jan 09 18:00:07 lol Jan 09 18:00:09 poor bastard Jan 09 18:00:25 anybody know wich url i can check wich gpg key i set for the extra repo ? Jan 09 18:00:28 It's comparable to a broadband connection to a house. Jan 09 18:00:51 it should be somewhere on garage.maemo, but i do not find where exactly...and i do not recall wich one i have to use. Jan 09 18:01:02 * alterego keeps expecting the VKB to pop up .. But it never does :( Jan 09 18:01:10 Time to make that happen. Jan 09 18:01:13 virtual keyboard? Jan 09 18:01:48 Yes Jan 09 18:01:51 huh. apt get keep hanging on build essential Jan 09 18:02:15 i ordered a USB KB instead... small one, 28x16 cm Jan 09 18:02:19 Sometimes I can't see what the point is in sliding out the HWKB Jan 09 18:02:29 "70% working" just sitting there, mocking me Jan 09 18:02:32 Cptnodegard, yeah, getting one of those tomorrow if I finish early. Jan 09 18:03:02 where is the page that explain how to become root on N810? I remember that someone proposed to reorder all the pages... but I don't remember the right url Jan 09 18:03:09 It fits perfectly into my man-bag. Jan 09 18:03:26 i want a http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.3731 if they get it back in stock Jan 09 18:04:17 nice Jan 09 18:04:35 man bag. hah. Jan 09 18:04:41 murse. Jan 09 18:05:08 A "murse" is a man-nurse :P Jan 09 18:05:21 Doesn't matter than my manbag is pink, it's still manly! Jan 09 18:05:24 It's my man-bag. Jan 09 18:05:28 this is what i got instead of the foldable on: http://www.uxcell.com/mini-usb-keys-keyboard-for-computer-laptop-p-7413.html Jan 09 18:05:55 I suppose now, having a slide out KB having a foldable makes more sense. Jan 09 18:06:06 Yeah, that's cute. Jan 09 18:06:10 just what i need, more keyboards for my n800 Jan 09 18:06:18 Nice price too! Jan 09 18:06:38 lol luria Jan 09 18:06:51 yeah im not paygi too much for a keyboar d:p Jan 09 18:07:00 ops hat-smiley Jan 09 18:07:14 Heh Jan 09 18:07:34 Well, I kind of want to go out into the cold and test the GPS now. Jan 09 18:07:43 alterego, is your website/repository dead ? Jan 09 18:08:08 yeah need a wayfinder key costing a shitload if you want it to point you places Jan 09 18:08:16 L0cutus, it is. It will be back up tonight. So it should be ready tomorrow. I've had various issues with the environment and the hosters :/ Jan 09 18:08:27 Thank god I'm moving to my own dedicated server in febuary. Jan 09 18:08:32 ha, ok :) Jan 09 18:08:38 alterego: then you get to deal with your hardware failing, too :P Jan 09 18:08:43 L0cutus, you wouldn't believe how much it's pissed me off .. Jan 09 18:08:51 dragorn, that I can deal with ;) Jan 09 18:09:22 Ah, proteus, that's a nice name for a tablet. Jan 09 18:09:30 alterego: My server had a nice hw fail recently, thankfully it was raided Jan 09 18:09:48 dragorn, yeah. All my blades are RAID Jan 09 18:10:08 I also do daily backups to the file server and weekly backups to solid state. Jan 09 18:10:24 sounds expensive :D Jan 09 18:10:34 I haven't figured out a good way to do backups of my media server Jan 09 18:10:40 Suprisingly reasonable. Jan 09 18:11:29 hmm, two 32GB sdhc cards + 32GB flash pen on the n800 Jan 09 18:11:34 now thats storage Jan 09 18:11:35 i need rdiff-backup on os2008 for backup :) Jan 09 18:13:32 Tablet sex is fun. Jan 09 18:13:35 I mean sharing .. Jan 09 18:13:37 Tablet sharing .. Jan 09 18:13:44 lol Jan 09 18:14:47 It's unfortunate I made my N810 change gender though. Jan 09 18:15:11 rofl Jan 09 18:19:14 I wonder how many people have actually done this. Jan 09 18:19:19 Connecting two tablets together. Jan 09 18:20:06 get a hub and connect 3 together :p Jan 09 18:20:12 Kinky. Jan 09 18:20:25 They can do it wirelessly too! Jan 09 18:20:36 They have OBEX FTP right? Jan 09 18:20:39 * alterego does a test. Jan 09 18:20:48 lol Jan 09 18:21:20 Sure, having one tablet is great. Having more than one is better :D Jan 09 18:21:32 I wonder if I can create a tablet cluster. Jan 09 18:21:48 * Cptnodegard calls people in white coats Jan 09 18:22:15 * alterego turns off his GPS. Jan 09 18:22:19 They wont find me .. Jan 09 18:22:34 alterego, "Can you imagine a beowulf cluster of these" Jan 09 18:22:35 lol Jan 09 18:22:40 :) Jan 09 18:22:41 you have a registered version? Jan 09 18:22:51 paid for gps Jan 09 18:23:10 It's a shame that the BT device browser doesn't have a seperate tablet icon. Jan 09 18:23:18 The N800 is coming up as a PDA. Jan 09 18:24:33 Hmm, BT doesn't work :( Jan 09 18:24:41 Think I might have to work on that .. Jan 09 18:26:06 Anybody knows about how to set/change the gpg key for uploading in extras ? Jan 09 18:34:08 Does anyone use upnp with cover artwork working? Jan 09 18:40:35 Wow, the keypad has multi-touch :P Jan 09 18:40:47 what is the package name for telepathy's chat program in maemo chinook? Jan 09 18:43:42 nick_fn: with what server/client? Jan 09 19:04:02 I've put my old 770 on ebay since yesterday and 12 people are watching it ): Jan 09 19:04:04 :) Jan 09 19:04:07 interesting ;) Jan 09 19:06:52 :q Jan 09 19:07:58 I wonder how much a n800 would be in ebay.... Jan 09 19:08:53 $180 or less maybe Jan 09 19:15:19 anybody get the Host.sh and Otg.sh scripts to work? Jan 09 19:15:24 alterego: great, now people can stop bitching about not being able to simul-press in fceu and gngeo ;-) Jan 09 19:16:26 Tak: simul-press works in fceu on the n810 if you remap keys....thanks btw Jan 09 19:17:21 cool - sorry I haven't had time to distribute new packages with remapped config Jan 09 19:18:18 will you post your config on ITT until I can get that done? Jan 09 19:18:26 sure Jan 09 19:18:37 any specific thread? or a new one? Jan 09 19:18:40 I'm sure people will appreciate it Jan 09 19:18:58 the "OMG FCEU IS BROKE ON BORA" thread should be fine ;-) Jan 09 19:28:13 Tak, I was pleasantly suprised when I did a CTRL+SHIFT+LEFT to select an input field and it worked :) Jan 09 19:28:31 I also understand where caps went. Jan 09 19:28:38 You have to double press the shift key. Jan 09 19:28:49 And the double press Fn key is a nice feature too .. Jan 09 19:31:59 I just read somewhere that Sandisk is testing their 12GB MicroSD cards, will they work on the N810 ? Jan 09 19:32:18 i'd expect with an adapter to mini, yes Jan 09 19:32:25 it's sdhc Jan 09 19:32:32 unless theres some lurking size limit in the drivers Jan 09 19:33:03 I expect there is; there has been for every size jump so far. Jan 09 19:33:42 "OK, it now supports 4G SDHC." "Cool, what about 8G SDHC?" "8G?! (*heads explode*)" Jan 09 19:38:10 http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/PressRoom/PressReleases/PressRelease.aspx?ID=4079 Jan 09 19:38:55 ! Jan 09 19:38:59 Oops.. Jan 09 20:00:19 re Jan 09 20:14:13 anyone here got a skype voucher (that came with the n800 for one) that they haven't used? I had one that I thought I wouldn't use but will now, only I can't find my voucher :/ Jan 09 20:33:23 hi! I'm very happy today because I got my N810! it rocks Jan 09 20:34:12 but I have a small problem, I cant play video with my N810, is it a know problem? Jan 09 20:35:33 drwx: Only some videos. Jan 09 20:35:47 If want to be able to play more video formats, install mplayer. Jan 09 20:36:28 in the device there is 2 video "Anna Abreu"and "Strum and Dra...", N810 cant lay it Jan 09 20:36:35 cant play it Jan 09 20:37:11 strange that they'd bundle video clips that can't be played by the default player. Jan 09 20:37:19 I added some video with I can play with my N800 but it dont works on N810 Jan 09 20:37:51 hi, where can i get kismet for the n800? Jan 09 20:38:09 anybody home? :-) Jan 09 20:40:11 the video called Nokia_N810 dont works too, I must have a serious problem on my N810 Jan 09 20:40:36 someone has the same problem? Jan 09 20:41:07 drwx, when I first started my n810 it wouldn't play anything Jan 09 20:41:21 it magically solved after reboot or an upgrade Jan 09 20:41:35 hum.. it dont play mp3 too Jan 09 20:42:49 just reflash it Jan 09 20:42:58 with os2008 Jan 09 20:43:09 ok I will try Jan 09 20:50:47 it's ok, one reboot and it's good :-) Jan 09 20:55:44 anyone here familiar enough with GTK to tell me a few things about this screenshot (of the volume control applet) http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/screenshot00.png Jan 09 20:56:17 Go, rm_you, go! :D Jan 09 20:56:22 like, A) If that is an HSCALE element like I think it is, how do they make it look like that?; B) did they manage to fit it into a MENU container? if so, HOW?!?! if not, what *is* that container? Jan 09 20:56:25 lol Jan 09 20:56:39 so, I have an applet at the moment... Jan 09 20:56:54 when you click on it, it opens an entire window that has a slider and buttons Jan 09 20:57:02 Ha Jan 09 20:57:04 and the slider looks lame >_> Jan 09 20:57:35 i was hoping this would be a good intro project, but it is much more complicated than I originally anticipated :P Jan 09 20:57:42 why don't you look at the source for the control panel? Jan 09 20:57:42 rm_you: it's probably a http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/HildonHVolumebar.html Jan 09 20:57:50 AH! Jan 09 20:57:51 anybody involved in extra repository ? Jan 09 20:58:09 I was looking at the GTK API on the GTK website! i should have been looking on maemo! Jan 09 20:58:10 durrrrrr Jan 09 20:58:14 Thanks Tak Jan 09 20:59:33 yeah, there are a couple of gtk widgets that look/work terrible/y on the device Jan 09 20:59:33 rm_you: most of the widget are actually hildons one Jan 09 20:59:41 omfg >_> Jan 09 20:59:56 this is why i spent three hours last night and made like NO progress, lol Jan 09 21:00:03 * rm_you hits self Jan 09 21:00:26 and i've been asking in #gtk more than here >_> Jan 09 21:00:33 well, back to work Jan 09 21:01:45 I find, in general with gtk, it's always better to look at the source than the documentation. Jan 09 21:02:02 The documentation is voluminous and useless. Jan 09 21:02:13 actually, I get a lot of help from the glib/gtk api docs Jan 09 21:02:26 in fact, I'm using them for vala hacking right now Jan 09 21:02:52 They're okay for looking things up when you already know the answer, but don't remember the details. Jan 09 21:02:58 actually, their documentation is pretty horrible... when they DO have code examples, they come "pre-broken" >_> Jan 09 21:03:35 Otherwise, you get stuff like gtk_foobar_set_flag(): Sets the flag. Jan 09 21:06:28 so, what kind of window/container is that? Is it a MENU? cause if it is, i can't @#*& figure out how to put any real widgets in it besides "MENU_ITEM"s, or how to make things into MENU_ITEMs Jan 09 21:07:37 isn't there a statusbar applet tutorial? Jan 09 21:07:58 yes, but it is kinda broken Jan 09 21:08:04 though it's what i used to get this far Jan 09 21:09:19 it doesn't tell me anything but how to get the icon there... I did manage to get a normal menu to popup with text options (mostly by stealing code from osso-statusbar-cpu) but i can't figure out how to get a widget like HildonControlbar or like... an HBox to fit into the menu Jan 09 21:12:17 >_> and the example initialization: "GtkWidget *cbar = hildon_controlbar_new();" gives me "warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast" and causes the applet to crash Jan 09 21:12:58 Given, I'm not especially good with C pointers... I've been doing Java for like the past 4 years, it's been like 6 since I touched C/C++ Jan 09 21:14:29 That sounds like you didn't include the proper headers. Jan 09 21:14:56 yes Jan 09 21:14:58 i thought about that, but wouldn't it tell me it couldn't find the function at all if i didn't have the right header included? Jan 09 21:15:01 Though I wouldn't see why it would crash unless it was on an LP 64-bit system. Jan 09 21:15:05 rm_you: No. Jan 09 21:15:08 >_> Jan 09 21:15:16 I miss Java already :/ Jan 09 21:15:22 Welcome to backwards compatibility from the 70's. Jan 09 21:15:34 C++ does, doesn't it!? Jan 09 21:15:54 Yes. Jan 09 21:16:06 But who on earth would use C++? Jan 09 21:16:21 it's been a while, but i'm pretty sure when I try to run function "this_doesnt_exist()" it tells me it doesn't exist, not that i made an integer pointer something >_> Jan 09 21:16:30 well, now i know Jan 09 21:16:42 and there's nothing i can do about it, so... moving along Jan 09 21:16:56 rm_you, pass -Wstrict-prototypes to the compiler Jan 09 21:17:00 There's probably a flag you can pass to gcc to get it to warn you. Jan 09 21:17:03 Right. Jan 09 21:17:04 Like that. Jan 09 21:17:07 thanks Jan 09 21:17:35 err, sorry, -Wmissing-prototypes Jan 09 21:17:48 -Wstrict-prototypes will yield warnings with maemo Gtk, don't use that ;) Jan 09 21:18:01 lol yeah Jan 09 21:18:10 GtkWidget undeclared :P Jan 09 21:18:35 hrm, same... did I fsck up THAT bad? Jan 09 21:19:06 -Wstrict-prototypes will complain about gdk_close_all_temporaries or whatever it was called Jan 09 21:19:43 errr wait... no, it just says "-Wmissing-prototypes: unknown option" Jan 09 21:20:00 anyone here got a skype voucher (that came with the n800 for one) that they haven't used? I had one that I thought I wouldn't use but will now, only I can't find my voucher :/ Jan 09 21:20:14 wait, did i put that in the wrong place? >_> sec Jan 09 21:20:36 lol yeah Jan 09 21:20:42 ok better Jan 09 21:21:05 err... doesn't fix the error though, still says the exact same thing Jan 09 21:21:32 About integers or about GtkWidget? Jan 09 21:21:41 my-statusbar-plugin.c:60: warning: initialization makes pointer from integer without a cast Jan 09 21:22:04 same error with -Wmissing-prototypes as without Jan 09 21:22:10 rather, same warning Jan 09 21:22:28 but again, whatever, i know what it does now. so that's fine. i'll just remember that Jan 09 21:22:45 this is a neat, but unnecessary tangent :P Jan 09 21:23:04 I wonder... Jan 09 21:24:33 where does it tell me what i need to include for http://maemo.org/api_refs/4.0/hildon/ Jan 09 21:25:02 rm, if you use -Wall, it'll say "implicit declaration of function `blablabla' Jan 09 21:25:47 ah yes, thanks Jan 09 21:25:53 i normally use that and --pedantic >_> Jan 09 21:26:02 rm, it doesn't, but it's Jan 09 21:26:14 rm, yeah, I usually use -W -Wall -ansi -pedantic Jan 09 21:26:37 rm, but that doesn't work with telepathy, their headers use C99 :( Jan 09 21:27:10 thanks Jan 09 21:27:42 PERFECT Jan 09 21:27:53 now it just needs to be in one of those pupdown menus instead of a huge window Jan 09 21:27:58 *popdown Jan 09 21:28:43 is there a special hildon thing for those too (caption? dunno) or am i going to have to figure out how to make it a menu_item Jan 09 21:29:34 rm, it won't work inside a GtkMenu, I've tried Jan 09 21:29:50 yeah, i did too, thought maybe i just didn't try enough :/ Jan 09 21:30:02 anybody knows how the extra repository is refreshed ? i see some new package i pushed, but not all. Jan 09 21:30:26 has anyone managed to get Frothing compiled and running on N8x0? Jan 09 21:30:28 and it s been more than an hour. Jan 09 21:32:04 inz: so... we know that Nokia managed SOMEHOW for their volume and brightness applets... but we don't know how they did it? Jan 09 21:32:07 or what they used? Jan 09 21:33:13 I wish i could just see the code for their applets >_> Jan 09 21:33:34 the volume applet is a really dumb thing to have closed-source... Jan 09 21:33:57 rm, indeed, it's just sets a gconf value Jan 09 21:35:44 does anyone come in here who works at nokia / has access to nokia code? >_> Jan 09 21:36:14 that question leads down a bad road... Jan 09 21:36:24 heh Jan 09 21:36:45 truth >_> Jan 09 21:37:09 meanwhile, i'll just beat my head against a wall trying to figure out how they did something that should be really trivial Jan 09 21:37:53 fiddle the gconf values Jan 09 21:38:19 ? Jan 09 21:38:29 make that popdown box include a non-menu_item Jan 09 21:40:20 hi! I was wondering. is maemo.org always really slow for someone than me? Jan 09 21:41:28 rm Jan 09 21:41:38 which panel examples have you had a look at? Jan 09 21:41:44 colinl: yes. Jan 09 21:42:07 lcuk: control panel examples? I'm doing status-bar Jan 09 21:42:07 Tak: thanks for the confirmation :) Jan 09 21:42:09 applet^ Jan 09 21:42:14 sorry i know Jan 09 21:42:22 osso-statusbar-cpu Jan 09 21:42:25 i was reading another screen whilst thinking about what you are after Jan 09 21:42:36 everything else i know of is closed source >_> Jan 09 21:43:09 i know there has got to be more out there... Jan 09 21:43:11 theres a few status bar applets here Jan 09 21:43:11 http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/n770/ Jan 09 21:43:59 ive nott looked into anything major - havent been a c coder for 10 years now, but when i saw them a couple of weeks ago i thought they might come in handy Jan 09 21:44:33 they are listed in one or more of the applicationcatalogs on maemo Jan 09 21:46:14 the only other statusbar app on his site is panelclock, and it just crashes the UI when i add it >_> Jan 09 21:48:32 judging by the dates these are all for 2006/2007 Jan 09 21:48:39 >_> Jan 09 21:49:45 dang, sorry then - i realise they are for older versions, but there may have been some pointers - nm then Jan 09 21:49:54 is asking a question like 'how do I remove reposotories from my nokia 810' outside the scope of this channel? Jan 09 21:50:07 http://www.cocoatech.com/weblog/archives/2008/01/08/nokia-n810-review Jan 09 21:50:23 you guys should stop goofing off on irc and start fixing bugs Jan 09 21:50:41 lol Jan 09 21:50:43 not at all hachi, goto settings/app manager then into the tools menu and application catalog Jan 09 21:50:56 Seriously, that guy is a such a troll. Jan 09 21:51:09 inside there you can disable or remove any you want. Jan 09 21:51:26 GeneralAntilles: well, i'm implimenting the important functional bits now... want to try it out in a few minutes as a full window? >_> Jan 09 21:51:38 Sure Jan 09 21:51:38 lol Jan 09 21:51:45 GeneralAntilles: agreed Jan 09 21:51:48 i'll let you now Jan 09 21:51:54 s/now/know/ Jan 09 21:51:54 rm_you meant: i'll let you know Jan 09 21:51:54 rm_you meant: i'll let you know Jan 09 21:52:00 lol, Tak Jan 09 21:54:04 thing is, a lot of his complaints are valid - thats not just a nokia thing though, they would be valid on whichever system you get yourself (apart from the software thing lol) Jan 09 21:54:38 a few of his beefs are valid Jan 09 21:54:50 But mostly it's just plain poor reporting Jan 09 21:54:52 but many of them are 'OMG IPHONE IS BETTAR' Jan 09 21:55:14 Wish we had an op to set a ban. Jan 09 21:55:22 iphone is crap (my missus says so!) Jan 09 21:55:32 and others are things that are either just plain wrong, configurable, or he didn't take the time to learn how to do Jan 09 21:55:36 * lcuk loves his missus Jan 09 21:55:45 that's a good thing ;-) Jan 09 21:55:55 I'm seriously disturbed that this guy could be the PathFinder dev. Jan 09 21:55:56 if you give people an open system expect them to open it and do things a closed system cannot Jan 09 21:56:03 how can I turn off the little spot ad on the desktop of my n810? :) Jan 09 21:56:15 Tap the menu on the home screen. Jan 09 21:56:18 Select applets Jan 09 21:56:18 hachi, on the desktop menu is a config option Jan 09 21:56:20 I'll dig through the control panel and whatnot, into the FS... anyways Jan 09 21:56:25 hrm... the HildonControlbar doesn't appear to have a signal for "value changed" >_> Jan 09 21:56:29 okiedokie Jan 09 21:57:08 is there like... a generic signal for that, and it is assuming I know about it? Jan 09 21:57:38 of course there is rm, its called "rm_specific_value_changed" Jan 09 21:58:05 lol Jan 09 21:58:34 are there screen protectors for these devices? Jan 09 21:58:37 rm_you, notify::value Jan 09 21:58:45 hachi: just today somebody linked one.. Jan 09 21:58:59 Juhaz: thanks Jan 09 21:59:11 ahh, I see one on amazon it seems Jan 09 21:59:21 rm - i think the range class caters for all the value changing stuff Jan 09 21:59:24 rm, you're supposed to read the documentation that says that HildonControlbar is a "GtkScale", which has a "value-changed" -signal Jan 09 21:59:30 (HildonControlbar is built from it) Jan 09 21:59:53 ah Jan 09 22:00:07 Unfortunately the hildon documentation doesn't have links to the gtk documentation :/ Jan 09 22:00:16 right :/ sorry Jan 09 22:00:35 you doin this in c? Jan 09 22:00:57 yes Jan 09 22:01:07 I'm a Java person normally >_> so this is weird Jan 09 22:01:23 i dled the dev vmware image but for some reason couldnt even get hello world to compile and run Jan 09 22:01:25 * lcuk is ashamed Jan 09 22:01:42 * lcuk started looking at python instead Jan 09 22:01:42 lcuk, you should've started with something more simple Jan 09 22:01:53 lol - simpler than hello world? Jan 09 22:02:02 * lcuk writes a "hi" program instead Jan 09 22:02:28 pupnik_: you kidding Jan 09 22:02:39 im using windows as main desktop so couldnt setup a proper toolchain here simply Jan 09 22:02:49 rm_you, that's the generic signal that is, works for anything that changes a property, as per inz, there is apparently a specific one. Jan 09 22:02:58 * Tak currently messing with vala Jan 09 22:03:04 yeah found it Jan 09 22:03:08 value-changed Jan 09 22:03:11 http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/GtkRange.html#GtkRange-value-changed Jan 09 22:03:43 kinda sad though that I need you guys to tell me to read the page i'm looking at >_> Jan 09 22:04:35 not really rm - whats your normal dev env/ language? Jan 09 22:04:48 Java in either Eclipse or VIM Jan 09 22:05:10 generally i code in VIM though, so i dont rely too heavily on Eclipse features >_> Jan 09 22:05:30 and you wonder why you aren't a ninja at gtk? Jan 09 22:05:34 lol Jan 09 22:05:38 yeah, i do Swing <_< Jan 09 22:05:55 im just as bad - im in vb and vb.net... Jan 09 22:06:30 * lcuk took the pygtk tutorial to the bathroom with him and didn't emerge until he had at least flicked over the bits of it Jan 09 22:07:07 everyone is making fun of me for buying a nokia 810 instead of an iphone... I'm happy though Jan 09 22:07:10 im just glad i didnt try to use my 810 as toilet paper as i might have done with other tutorials in the past Jan 09 22:07:18 heh... i do python too, but not for a while Jan 09 22:07:23 speaking of vb.net, is there a mono runtime for os200[78] ? Jan 09 22:07:24 g_signal_connect(cbar, "value-changed", G_CALLBACK(set_level), NULL); Jan 09 22:07:28 does that look right? Jan 09 22:07:37 i need to look up a tutorial on signals >_> Jan 09 22:08:21 hachi, then everyone you know is stupid. :P Jan 09 22:09:02 hachi, iphone might be polished but its a walled garden. very restricted in what you can do Jan 09 22:09:52 no mplayerplug-in yet? Jan 09 22:09:57 eclipse? Jan 09 22:10:06 christ Jan 09 22:10:26 has that loaded yet? Jan 09 22:11:51 lol Jan 09 22:12:19 how long does my new toy take to charge? Jan 09 22:12:20 :) Jan 09 22:12:54 i dont know - im either using it whilst charging or its overnight Jan 09 22:13:15 * lcuk wants wireless charger Jan 09 22:13:16 4-6-ish hours for a full charge Jan 09 22:13:20 30 minutes for 80% Jan 09 22:14:43 lcuk, that'll be the slowest thing imaginable. Jan 09 22:15:04 what slow? Jan 09 22:15:15 does pidgin talk to the main system about receipt of messages? Jan 09 22:15:25 to make it light up for example Jan 09 22:16:00 hrm... are these signals run in a seperate thread? Jan 09 22:16:16 IE, am i going to run into file locking issues if i'm doing I/O to a file on a signal event? Jan 09 22:16:39 hachi, better off using the built-in client. Jan 09 22:16:43 Less memory usage Jan 09 22:16:46 jablet.net Jan 09 22:16:49 like, if someone moves the bar a bunch really fast and it calls the file i/o signal like 10 times in a second? Jan 09 22:16:50 okiedokie Jan 09 22:18:03 rm: gtk_range_set_update_policy Jan 09 22:18:32 try it - if its not working change the policy Jan 09 22:19:22 GTK_UPDATE_CONTINUOUS / GTK_UPDATE_DELAYED / GTK_UPDATE_DISCONTINUOUS Jan 09 22:20:05 hrm k Jan 09 22:20:42 so, now a REAL problem... when I set the brightness with fanoush's script, it changes immediately and then reverts back to the original brightness within like 3 seconds Jan 09 22:21:36 rm_you: maybe that's worth a post to the forums Jan 09 22:22:04 actually, that's worth a LOOK at the forums. i'm getting ahead of myself again Jan 09 22:22:28 have to remember that just because i'm talking in IRC i shouldn't ignore other avenues Jan 09 22:23:26 GeneralAntilles: the internal client doesn't appear to be working, where do I start for docs on a technical level of these things, logs locations and such? Jan 09 22:24:46 <|tbb|> anyone managed to get link-local xmpp to run between to n8xx devices Jan 09 22:25:13 whoah, I don't remember there being link-local discovery stuff in the rfcs Jan 09 22:26:46 anyone use their device with a cingular/att cell phone and gprs? Jan 09 22:26:51 <|tbb|> i see the users each other through an adhoc connection, they showed as online but if i send a message i get, person not online... Jan 09 22:27:05 with grps? Jan 09 22:27:11 ive done it Jan 09 22:27:14 jablet.net Jan 09 22:27:19 It wont work with MSN or AIM yet Jan 09 22:27:22 is there a standard protocol to discover and share files with other nearby bluetooth devices? Jan 09 22:27:23 in a pinch. a real pinch. Jan 09 22:27:23 You need a jabber account with transports. Jan 09 22:27:42 no worries, I'm a maintainer on a few jabber servers Jan 09 22:27:51 I don't even use other transports anymore :) Jan 09 22:28:05 * GeneralAntilles is ATT here. Jan 09 22:28:15 Luria: my phone didn't reflect that the GPRS was actually being used, it was weird Jan 09 22:29:04 ive done it with my t68i, which im using until i figure out which phone i'd like to buy. Jan 09 22:29:18 can I get at the pppd log? I suppose it's just the standard way Jan 09 22:29:31 its pretty rare to find phone service and no edge Jan 09 22:29:41 was it the network or your phone? Jan 09 22:29:44 my phone doesn't support edge Jan 09 22:29:57 ah Jan 09 22:30:35 well, browse with links :-) Jan 09 22:31:15 well, the problem is Jan 09 22:31:21 I don't know if it's working Jan 09 22:31:28 or if the device is using some other network available to it Jan 09 22:32:07 yeah, it's not doing anything, it blinks in the status area... oh now it finally said it failed Jan 09 22:32:19 apparently blink means 'I'm trying' Jan 09 22:32:47 What service do you have? Jan 09 22:32:50 * doc|work asks again Jan 09 22:32:52 anyone here got a skype voucher (that came with the n800 for one) that they haven't used? I had one that I thought I wouldn't use but will now, only I can't find my voucher :/ Jan 09 22:32:52 att Jan 09 22:32:55 isp wont work unless you have the full tethering service Jan 09 22:33:00 you have to use wap otherwise Jan 09 22:33:19 I'm trying to build Frothing (http://code.google.com/p/frothing/), but can't get configure to recognise that I've got libgtkhtml2-dev install. Anyone any ideas? Jan 09 22:33:21 that's weird then... cause I use it with my laptop all the time Jan 09 22:33:34 I don't have the tethering service, but GPRS works fine Jan 09 22:33:35 not so Jan 09 22:33:42 the phone even says "GPRS acrive" Jan 09 22:33:46 GeneralAntilles: wow, so i'll i've managed to do so far is screw up my brightness presets >_> lol Jan 09 22:33:52 Woo! Jan 09 22:33:58 i have no data plan, and its works fine Jan 09 22:34:06 How are you calling blset? Jan 09 22:34:09 even non port 80 communication Jan 09 22:34:11 well Jan 09 22:34:13 * |tbb| thinks thats just curios Jan 09 22:34:13 Sounds expensive, Luria. Jan 09 22:34:16 blset wasn't doing much... Jan 09 22:34:18 Luria: sure you're not on some defualt per KB plan? Jan 09 22:34:23 so i tried the dsmetest -l thing Jan 09 22:34:33 and i guess i didn't really understand what that was doing :P Jan 09 22:35:01 blset ? Jan 09 22:35:11 <|tbb|> anyway i was thinking you can use video calls to each other without connected to google or somewhere else, it seems that is not supported Jan 09 22:35:47 when i use blset, it changes but then reverts after about 3 seconds Jan 09 22:35:59 Weird Jan 09 22:36:07 Even when you use the script from xterm? Jan 09 22:36:13 yes Jan 09 22:36:35 Huh Jan 09 22:36:36 Weirdness Jan 09 22:36:41 wait... now after messing with "chroot /mnt/initfs dsmetest -l" for like 5 minutes, it appears to be sticking >_> Jan 09 22:36:47 mrm - what were you playing with applet wise earlier? it wasnt your own brightness control was it? Jan 09 22:37:01 lcuk: yes Jan 09 22:37:14 any chance yours is still loaded and intefering ;) Jan 09 22:37:18 but i hadnt actually hooked it up yet... it was just an "impotent" slider\ Jan 09 22:37:48 afk Jan 09 22:38:19 nm then rm Jan 09 22:38:35 GeneralAntilles: ahhh so, what this is doing Jan 09 22:38:35 is there an easy way to switch to the arm perl instead of the i386 one in the chinook scratchbox? Jan 09 22:38:36 <|tbb|> Jaffa: do you got an n810 allready? Jan 09 22:38:57 err nm, lost again Jan 09 22:39:10 OH no i get it Jan 09 22:39:58 "./blset 50" sets the current brightness setting to 50, "./blset 3 50" sets the third software preset to 50 Jan 09 22:40:06 and yes, that seems obvious now that i say it :P Jan 09 22:40:12 but i wasnt sure what software meant earlier Jan 09 22:41:09 blset 0 50 sets the current level to 50, too. Jan 09 22:41:22 It confused me at first, too. Jan 09 22:42:24 >_> Jan 09 22:42:36 i was reading the script, and it doesnt make any sense Jan 09 22:43:04 value=$((hwlevel*256+swlevel+128)) Jan 09 22:43:29 so if i want full brightness on software 4, that means 127*256+4+128 Jan 09 22:43:44 which is a HUGE number.... Jan 09 22:44:18 just remember: blset [0-127] Jan 09 22:44:58 yes but Jan 09 22:45:07 i don't want to be calling the script from my program Jan 09 22:45:14 i would rather directly do what it does Jan 09 22:45:21 which means i have to understand what's going on Jan 09 22:45:24 Right, right. Jan 09 22:45:29 which shouldn't be hard... I *KNOW* bash Jan 09 22:45:30 i guess it's better to read it as "hwlevel << 8" Jan 09 22:45:33 but this makes no sense Jan 09 22:45:41 ah? Jan 09 22:45:51 is that what's happening? Jan 09 22:45:53 but... Jan 09 22:45:58 man, this is so weird :/ Jan 09 22:46:05 rm_you: it's basically the brightness in the top 8 bits, and the level number in the bottom 8 bits Jan 09 22:46:14 or vice-versa, I'd have to reread the post Jan 09 22:46:20 OH Jan 09 22:46:25 that is NOT what i thought was going on Jan 09 22:46:45 * 256 is the same as << 8 Jan 09 22:47:00 <|tbb|> from what you are talking about? brightness hack on os2008 Jan 09 22:47:41 GeneralAntilles: that site for jablet... three's nothing on it Jan 09 22:47:46 * lcuk hasnt done bitshifting for yonks Jan 09 22:47:57 news, that's all Jan 09 22:48:22 http://jablet.org:9090/plugins/registration/sign-up.jsp Jan 09 22:48:24 define: yonks = since the dinosaurs roamed the earth Jan 09 22:48:31 ./blset 2 50 Jan 09 22:48:32 writing 12930 to /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level Jan 09 22:48:32 But if you've already got your own jabber servers, it doesn't matter. Jan 09 22:48:39 >_> Jan 09 22:49:16 but I can't connect to my jabber servers Jan 09 22:49:19 find / -name you | xargs rm -rf Jan 09 22:49:20 it just blinks at me Jan 09 22:49:22 but /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level is then 25 >_> Jan 09 22:49:27 I'm looking for how to debug it Jan 09 22:50:15 pidgin connects just fine Jan 09 22:50:31 and I tried two different (same software) jabber servers too Jan 09 22:50:34 GeneralAntilles: so... what command should I run to successfully set my CURRENT brightness to, say... the lowest? Jan 09 22:50:46 blset 1 Jan 09 22:50:52 or blset 0, if you've got an N810 Jan 09 22:50:57 With a transflective screen. Jan 09 22:51:09 ok Jan 09 22:51:09 anyone using openvpn here? Jan 09 22:51:12 oh man, that's right... these things work outside don't they Jan 09 22:51:21 on the n8x0, i mean Jan 09 22:51:21 that sets /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level to "25" >_> Jan 09 22:51:54 and if i look closely at my n800's screen, the brightness is flickering slightly Jan 09 22:52:07 shutdown -r now Jan 09 22:52:09 rm_you, ive noticed that Jan 09 22:52:12 whoops Jan 09 22:52:24 penguinbait, you cant kill freenode like that Jan 09 22:52:52 well, i guess from his perspective, you can. Jan 09 22:53:28 I get flickers on the lowest setting on my 770 Jan 09 22:53:29 rm_you: maybe it should even read "hwlevel << 9" .. but that's just a blind guess ;) Jan 09 22:54:09 I don't even see a TCP connect happening from the maemo builtin IM client Jan 09 22:54:17 * j0tt still waits for his n810 to arrive... Jan 09 22:54:28 * elb still waits to be able to order his n810 Jan 09 22:55:01 wait, there's a connect Jan 09 22:56:08 is there an acmonitor for 2008? Jan 09 22:56:54 maybe this is a bug in my jabber server Jan 09 22:57:45 I tried Luria, but it only seems to affected me :) Jan 09 22:57:52 so when i do "echo >/sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level 25728" and then I "cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level" it reports "3"!!!!! Jan 09 22:58:19 i've never seen redirection syntax like that before... Jan 09 22:58:23 Luria: I'm using the OpenVPN client on my n810 Jan 09 22:58:42 * penguinbait has quit () Jan 09 22:58:43 if I do "echo >filename $value" does it like.... bitshift the value into the file or something!? Jan 09 22:58:44 well, i guess from his perspective, you can. Jan 09 22:59:02 this is so f'ed up >_> Jan 09 22:59:14 ah I missed that :) Jan 09 22:59:17 jsmith, do you find that the network doesnt reestablish when switching networks Jan 09 22:59:34 even with "float" Jan 09 22:59:35 Luria: Haven't tried it while switching networks... that's a good question Jan 09 23:00:15 i find that i have to kill and restart a lot Jan 09 23:00:55 also, i get complaints about route, even though i sudo openvpn Jan 09 23:01:26 are you using tap or tun, psk or a ca? Jan 09 23:01:57 tun, ca Jan 09 23:02:26 cause a lot of these problems didnt exist with my "dumb" psk, tap, no routing connection Jan 09 23:02:42 would you mind sharing your .conf/ovpn file? Jan 09 23:03:49 Luria: I don't have it handy right now... I'm in the middle of teaching a class. Try to catch me tomorrow Jan 09 23:04:03 sorry, np Jan 09 23:04:07 WTF >_< Jan 09 23:04:33 i am about to tear my hair out Jan 09 23:04:36 i really need to get on this openvpn frontend tip Jan 09 23:05:14 rm - sounds like you have a little penguin stuck in your box turning the lights back on Jan 09 23:05:15 is there a hex editor / octal dump / ANYTHING that will let me see the bits in a file? Jan 09 23:05:31 *on maemo, that is Jan 09 23:06:12 vim -b isn't good enough for you? Jan 09 23:06:15 ah Jan 09 23:06:27 well Jan 09 23:06:39 no Jan 09 23:06:49 doesn't appear to show me bits >_> Jan 09 23:07:24 ie, it isn't working Jan 09 23:08:11 "Kiss Mah Bits!" - Flo Jan 09 23:08:18 'Grits' Jan 09 23:08:45 ..,.showing our age I think Jan 09 23:09:05 * sxpert just received his N810... WOWS Jan 09 23:09:15 hey what store Jan 09 23:09:17 <-- old. Jan 09 23:09:50 sxpert: it's pretty sexy in real life isn't it Jan 09 23:10:06 hi Luria Jan 09 23:10:17 hey timely Jan 09 23:10:26 rm_you: hexdump? Jan 09 23:10:35 j0tt: is it in maemo? Jan 09 23:10:36 i'm hoping people give feedback on the ITT forums for their micro/mini SD card performance Jan 09 23:10:37 don't see it Jan 09 23:10:41 kriebel: my 770 flickers a lot :( Jan 09 23:10:50 flickers at low brightness? Jan 09 23:11:10 rm_you: it's in the sdk so i guess it should be installable ;) Jan 09 23:11:17 hrm Jan 09 23:11:18 mostly while charging Jan 09 23:11:30 timely, msg wasn't a big deal, just wanted to know whether the debug pack was worth installing when i was doing scratchbox last night Jan 09 23:11:33 but yes, i only use the lowest brightness Jan 09 23:11:41 Luria: msg? Jan 09 23:11:45 j0tt: it is? Jan 09 23:12:01 oh, yes it is Jan 09 23:12:03 hrm Jan 09 23:12:06 oh ~2am est i /msged you. no biggie Jan 09 23:12:11 no source package for it included tho >_. Jan 09 23:12:17 or it was timeless Jan 09 23:12:22 Luria: hrm, if you message'd timeless, that's a tiny buffer Jan 09 23:12:28 i dont recall off hand Jan 09 23:12:28 "flickers" as in the brightness varies slightly? Jan 09 23:12:34 Juhaz: yeah Jan 09 23:12:48 if you message this client i'll get a window which i'll see unless the box panics Jan 09 23:12:56 (which it has done twice since i added a new hdd) Jan 09 23:13:11 hmm it would be nice to have useful brightness settings back... finger taps might be nice too Jan 09 23:13:20 who decided to disable those? Jan 09 23:13:21 Luria: but, i haven't played w/ sb2 in months, and i don't have a working scratchbox of any flavor Jan 09 23:13:30 Well, that confirms my email working again :) Jan 09 23:13:47 Luria: the people who though the light sensor in the n810 was good enough for everyone Jan 09 23:13:51 including the people w/o n810s Jan 09 23:13:52 ... Jan 09 23:14:20 Ha Jan 09 23:14:46 i havent changed my setting from 1. its too bright 90% of the time Jan 09 23:14:49 i had thought they were promising not to change the behavior for people w/o n810s Jan 09 23:14:59 but clearly i misinterpreted their statements :( Jan 09 23:15:14 but the finger tap thing is perplexing Jan 09 23:15:37 timely, yes, it does seem to occasionally do that while charging, the charger probably doesn't do very good job at rectifying, which causes some some slight interference Jan 09 23:15:37 ? Jan 09 23:15:51 * lcuk has a sticker over his light sensor Jan 09 23:15:52 "rectifying"? Jan 09 23:16:02 converting ac current to dc Jan 09 23:16:14 Juhaz: is this a problem limited by region? Jan 09 23:16:16 charger meant to be DC flat voltage - its likely got spikes in it causing the flicker Jan 09 23:16:25 Luria: well, if i can get this custom brightness app working... >_> Jan 09 23:16:26 i.e. is it likely a problem in finland but not us? Jan 09 23:16:35 im getting it right now, when the screen dims Jan 09 23:16:52 no acmonitor for chinook, right? Jan 09 23:17:04 pupnik, yeah Jan 09 23:17:08 Luria: Is it needed? Jan 09 23:17:18 i think so Jan 09 23:17:18 pupnik, will take it to wrok tomorrow to show around Jan 09 23:17:22 I thought chinook had a built-in setting. Jan 09 23:17:41 At least, for "Don't blank the screen when on AC power." Jan 09 23:17:47 ? Jan 09 23:17:57 built in setting for what? Jan 09 23:18:08 i'd like dont blank and brightness Jan 09 23:18:19 Maybe I'm imagining things, but I swear someone said that. Jan 09 23:18:22 "the jolly, c a n d y l i k e N810!" Jan 09 23:18:25 in 2008 you can set it not to blank while plugged in Jan 09 23:18:37 I don't have OS 2008 installed on anything, yet, and the US discount codes aren't active yet. Jan 09 23:18:43 timely: Right. Jan 09 23:18:47 I wish there was a shortcut for the application launcher .. Jan 09 23:18:48 That's what I was referring to. Jan 09 23:18:56 alterego? Jan 09 23:18:59 To open the menu without having to touch the screen would be very cool. Jan 09 23:19:07 <|tbb|> how can i clear screen in osso-xterm? Jan 09 23:19:10 I mean, I could compile acmonitor for OS 2008, but I have no idea if it would work. Jan 09 23:19:12 you can press the home/switcher key Jan 09 23:19:17 and then use the arrows to walk up Jan 09 23:19:23 or at least, in 2007 you could Jan 09 23:19:25 * timely has 2006 atm Jan 09 23:19:36 timely, not the task switcher. The application launch menu :P Jan 09 23:19:38 you can do it in os 2008 too Jan 09 23:19:46 The one you have to open to start apps :P Jan 09 23:19:49 alterego: well, you can walk to the app launch menu Jan 09 23:19:54 it's something like: Jan 09 23:20:05 switcher, up x 7, down 2, right Jan 09 23:20:07 gah, in a finger / pen input they forgot that menu wraparound is handy Jan 09 23:20:26 Luria: You should see the Japanese input. Jan 09 23:20:41 derf: last i checked there was no shipping japanese input Jan 09 23:20:53 You'd better hope the kanji you want is one of the first few alternatives, because there's no way you'll find it in the pop-up list. Jan 09 23:20:55 right, i forgot, that was impressive Jan 09 23:20:56 timely, you're saying there's a way to start an application without having to press the screen? Jan 09 23:21:02 To open the applications menu? Jan 09 23:21:03 alterego: yes Jan 09 23:21:05 How? Jan 09 23:21:11 timely: maemocjk, I meant. Yes, obviously not Nokia's fault. Jan 09 23:21:12 <|tbb|> altegro on n810 ? Jan 09 23:21:13 alterego: you need 1 app running Jan 09 23:21:23 press the switcher key, Jan 09 23:21:25 then press left Jan 09 23:21:29 then press up a bunch of times Jan 09 23:21:32 then press right Jan 09 23:21:35 then up up up Jan 09 23:21:35 it worked in 2007 Jan 09 23:21:36 timely, ah, I see, meed. Jan 09 23:21:38 lol @ long winded Jan 09 23:21:40 ~neat .. Jan 09 23:21:45 timely, well, if it's noisy grid errors getting trough, region could have an effect (but I suspect it would be the other way around, Finnish electricity tends to be pretty clean), but if it's bad rectification, then no, every region would be about the same. Jan 09 23:21:51 check the bluetooth keyboard - theres a macro section, not sure if it will work Jan 09 23:21:56 timely: You don't need anything running. Jan 09 23:22:05 <|tbb|> lcuk it worked for me Jan 09 23:22:05 Or at least, you didn't in 2007. Jan 09 23:22:06 timely, you can see why a keyboard shortcut would be nicer though yes? ;) Jan 09 23:22:24 alterego: my 770 doesn't have a keyboard Jan 09 23:22:51 timely, sure. Either does mine, or my N800. The point is, when it's possible ;) Jan 09 23:22:59 Maybe even a double press of the home button .. Jan 09 23:23:16 i'd settle for a way to prevent my devices from going flying whenever i move my legs Jan 09 23:23:23 <|tbb|> i got a few shortcuts, maximize, show home screen, open task switcher ... all about bluetooth keyboard shortcuts which worked on hardware keyboard of n810 Jan 09 23:23:27 (and catch the charger, which causes the device to fly) Jan 09 23:23:45 :) Jan 09 23:24:04 The N810 is so nice. Jan 09 23:24:08 timely: Could be worse, you could have one of those Macbook magnetic power cords. Jan 09 23:24:19 That fall off if you breath on them wrong. Jan 09 23:24:25 I feel so privileged to have one. Jan 09 23:24:27 is there a better GPS client of some sort, like one that'd tell you what it's doing ? Jan 09 23:24:46 sxpert: there are 2 gps guis Jan 09 23:24:50 the one in Map is better Jan 09 23:25:00 <|tbb|> maybe gps_saver Jan 09 23:25:05 alterego, if you like the n810 so much, stop sexually abusing it Jan 09 23:25:17 The one in maemo mapper is best. I'm working on my own now. Not a map app. But a GPS information app. Jan 09 23:25:17 <|tbb|> fit in your needing Jan 09 23:25:25 Luria, I can't help it .. :( Jan 09 23:25:39 * lcuk has an 810 as well :P Jan 09 23:25:43 Luria, if I had a girlfriend I might have a bit more of a life :) Jan 09 23:25:45 * lcuk strokes it Jan 09 23:25:52 also looking for a telnet client :-) (to connect to gpsd :-) Jan 09 23:25:57 when he gets it off gf that is Jan 09 23:26:01 <|tbb|> alterego: have you seen gps_saver Jan 09 23:26:07 cant you guys abuse something normal, like kids? Jan 09 23:26:10 |tbb|, nope. Jan 09 23:26:15 * alterego looks for gps_saver Jan 09 23:26:26 Hahah @ Luria Jan 09 23:26:44 <|tbb|> this tool rocks, ive just got informed that a new version is out there Jan 09 23:26:57 Luria, I play pranks on my 1.6 year old nephew if that counts :) Jan 09 23:27:52 i've decided im not going to run with this joke Jan 09 23:27:53 <|tbb|> nice showing how fast you are driving with comma like 52,30 km/h Jan 09 23:28:26 * lcuk drives at ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, mph Jan 09 23:28:29 Luria: have you played w/ mxr.maemo.org deb? Jan 09 23:28:40 i like the 790km gps picture Jan 09 23:28:47 790km/h Jan 09 23:29:12 i had to disable it to download something Jan 09 23:29:20 i forget what Jan 09 23:29:47 now i have all these libillumination dependency hell problems Jan 09 23:30:06 infobot mxr.maemo.org deb Jan 09 23:30:07 well, mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Jan 09 23:30:18 Luria: the mxr deb shouldn't conflict Jan 09 23:30:22 it's a different host Jan 09 23:31:19 Luria: the rtcomm stuff isn't in my mirror Jan 09 23:31:24 i suppose is should grab that Jan 09 23:31:39 oh yeah, that was it Jan 09 23:32:02 i was going nuts, til i remembered that hosts had been modified Jan 09 23:32:59 sorry, i'm grabbing that now Jan 09 23:33:05 np Jan 09 23:33:19 im slow, but i figured it out Jan 09 23:33:45 hello, could I ask why gtk_tool_button_set_label(GTK_TOOL_BUTTON(tb_next), "label"); doesn't show me a label but just the the toolbar button with the icon? thanks Jan 09 23:33:55 do you know what repository.maemo.org/contrib is and why people would want to use it? Jan 09 23:33:59 oooh Jan 09 23:34:10 android on ARM hardware! http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/09/2113235 Jan 09 23:34:17 ok, I'll have to try the GPS tomorrow outside. can't get a fix inside (unlike my garmin GPS60 which is also a sirfstar 3) Jan 09 23:34:40 <|tbb|> sxpert what means also sirf3 Jan 09 23:35:10 well, same chip as in the N810, but probably the antenna on the garmin is probably much better Jan 09 23:35:40 is it 3 or 3c (or whatever the low power is called) Jan 09 23:35:43 * |tbb| wont dissapoint sxpert, but for what i know it isnt sirfstar3 Jan 09 23:35:52 ah. Jan 09 23:35:53 hmm Jan 09 23:36:40 its not mtk32 is it? Jan 09 23:38:06 <|tbb|> sxpert: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13569&highlight=sirf Jan 09 23:39:06 v-v: There is a global preference (and per-toolbar setting) for icons-only/icons+text/text-only. Jan 09 23:39:07 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=112900 Jan 09 23:39:20 yikes, crappy ti chip Jan 09 23:39:36 ah, crap Jan 09 23:39:51 what is good about android lcuk Jan 09 23:39:52 well never mind, the thing didn't cost me much :-) Jan 09 23:40:05 <|tbb|> yeah your lucky Jan 09 23:40:21 pup - google phone / net device os Jan 09 23:41:01 so... it's 'good' because it's from google? Jan 09 23:41:19 its good because it looks nice Jan 09 23:41:22 murrayc_: tnx, found this: http://tinyurl.com/yp3vrc bu could I ask how can I change those settings? Jan 09 23:41:45 and having google backing it should help in the long run Jan 09 23:41:45 nah, its cheap and pretty good, but never perfect. thats google Jan 09 23:43:06 v-v: http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.12/GtkToolbar.html#gtk-toolbar-set-style Jan 09 23:43:48 Luria: ok, rtcomm added Jan 09 23:44:11 ok, so to test this applet, i need to make it have permissions to write to a file owned by root... Jan 09 23:44:23 so i need to set the stickybit on the .so right? Jan 09 23:44:47 or... something >_> Jan 09 23:44:53 ahh sorry, setuidbit Jan 09 23:44:53 what file owned by root? Jan 09 23:45:02 /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level Jan 09 23:45:16 rm_you: Can't you just use the gconf interface? Jan 09 23:45:30 i wasn't aware that it worked correctly Jan 09 23:45:31 murrayc_: many thanks :) and sorry for disturbing :/ Jan 09 23:45:38 otherwise, wouldn't fanoush's script use that? Jan 09 23:45:48 http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/search?string=backlight_level&find=kernel Jan 09 23:45:50 It certainly worked correctly on OS 2007. Jan 09 23:45:55 hrm Jan 09 23:45:58 I have no idea what fanoush's script is. Jan 09 23:45:59 yeah i saw the post Jan 09 23:46:33 derf, rm_you is working with fanoush's modified kernel that supports more backlight levels Jan 09 23:46:37 but i don't really understand what is going on still, so i'm just trying to duplicate the thing that i KNOW works Jan 09 23:46:43 johnx: Oh. Jan 09 23:46:54 rm_you, you can chgrp the file in the meantime Jan 09 23:47:01 yeah, considered that Jan 09 23:47:04 i guess i will... Jan 09 23:48:07 or just a+w Jan 09 23:48:32 yay Jan 09 23:48:36 GeneralAntilles: want to test? :P Jan 09 23:48:49 hmm. I guess I could use an external bluetooth unit :-) Jan 09 23:49:27 it would be awesome if you could use an external and the internal Jan 09 23:49:36 rm_you, have you noticed any regressions in the "more backlight levels" kernel? Jan 09 23:49:49 I could probably be convinced to test it Jan 09 23:50:31 not really Jan 09 23:50:39 but i havent done much heavy testing Jan 09 23:50:46 i would imagine you could flash back? Jan 09 23:50:54 i would *hope* Jan 09 23:51:00 yeah, yeah...just being lazy Jan 09 23:51:12 * johnx starts downloading Jan 09 23:51:54 Sure, rm_you. Jan 09 23:53:02 kk sec Jan 09 23:53:12 i guess i'll skip packaging it up Jan 09 23:53:21 i'll just tar the .desktop and .so Jan 09 23:55:30 rm, this for '08? Jan 09 23:56:03 <|tbb|> i wish you could get the colors any better on n810, compared side by side with n800. it really sucks Jan 09 23:56:23 yes Jan 09 23:56:29 sooooooo it's... lame right now Jan 09 23:56:32 but it works i believe Jan 09 23:56:40 |tbb|: did you remove the plastic film? Jan 09 23:56:44 http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.tar Jan 09 23:56:54 <|tbb|> yeah for sure Jan 09 23:57:13 known issues: it pops up in a ridiculous window instead of a nice little popdown >_> and you have to close that window manually Jan 09 23:57:45 do i need root to drop this in? Jan 09 23:57:45 also, you will have to chmod a+w /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level Jan 09 23:57:48 yes Jan 09 23:58:04 i could make an install script... Jan 09 23:58:04 ok - will test it for you on my 810 and report back Jan 09 23:58:04 <|tbb|> the screen isnt that nice! but if you walked outside on heavy lighten places you could live with that, because n810 rocks outside Jan 09 23:58:14 i would prefer that Jan 09 23:58:18 sec then Jan 09 23:58:23 but i will do it manually if required Jan 09 23:58:36 the brightness bugs me enough and i need root for other things Jan 10 00:01:28 ok, same link Jan 10 00:01:32 http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight.tar Jan 10 00:01:42 now it unpacks sanely and has an install script Jan 10 00:02:02 it has a lame default icon :/ i will fix that later, lol Jan 10 00:02:02 lol Jan 10 00:02:06 I just scped the first one. :P Jan 10 00:02:09 heh Jan 10 00:02:23 thanks rm_you Jan 10 00:02:23 well, the install script is like 3 lines Jan 10 00:02:45 pupnik: heh, not nearly finished yet :P save thanks for when it works sanely, lol Jan 10 00:04:02 * lcuk has control of his 810 again Jan 10 00:04:17 * lcuk won the wrestle :D Jan 10 00:05:12 Aha Jan 10 00:05:20 Now that's just plain cool, rm_you. :] Jan 10 00:05:31 working? Jan 10 00:05:45 Perfectly. Jan 10 00:05:49 cool... Jan 10 00:05:57 well, it still looks ugly as sin >_> Jan 10 00:06:32 i still can't figure out how the volume/brightness control apps make their popups look like that Jan 10 00:06:45 rm_you: wouldn't it be better to integrate this directly into hal (ie fix the setter methods there)? Jan 10 00:07:16 j0tt: don't look at me for that >_> i barely know what's going on with this brightness stuff :( Jan 10 00:07:18 You wonder how Nokia chooses what to open and what to close. Jan 10 00:07:38 i'm effectively just writing a gui for a script fanoush made >_> Jan 10 00:07:43 ;) Jan 10 00:09:56 interestingly enough, after i packed it up and put it on the web, i tried installing from my own tar file and it won't work >_> Jan 10 00:09:58 lol Jan 10 00:10:20 <|tbb|> hmmh, rm_you my desktop goes blank after trying to set the brightness from the applet youve made now its gone, anyway to reactivate it without reboot Jan 10 00:10:31 can you ssh in? Jan 10 00:10:46 <|tbb|> yeah Jan 10 00:10:53 |tbb|: are you running fanoush's kernel? Jan 10 00:11:14 <|tbb|> oh i dont Jan 10 00:11:15 i should probably have put a warning about that :P Jan 10 00:11:50 Luria: anyway, give the mxr.maemo.org deb a try Jan 10 00:12:00 |tbb|: i am actually not sure >_> Jan 10 00:12:08 |tbb|: i barely get how this works Jan 10 00:12:33 |tbb|: try clicking where you remember the normal brightness control being, and use the hardware arrow keys to try to change it Jan 10 00:13:17 interesting in a normal kernel cat /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level gives me 0 Jan 10 00:13:42 johnx: in fanoush's kernel, the value of that file never makes sense either :/ Jan 10 00:13:53 thus why i can't figure out WTF is actually going on Jan 10 00:13:56 ah Jan 10 00:14:07 <|tbb|> doesnt work either ;( but anyway nice done Jan 10 00:14:09 i will echo like "342893" into it, and it will tell me it contains "3" Jan 10 00:14:18 hmm Jan 10 00:14:25 rm_you: http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/rx-34-2.6.21.0-osso63-mipid-backlight.diff read the source :P Jan 10 00:14:29 only the first number is read? only the last? Jan 10 00:14:52 so the scroller can set limits which whiteout the entire display? Jan 10 00:15:32 >_> Jan 10 00:15:44 lcuk: no Jan 10 00:15:54 lcuk: the scrollbar only sets 0-127 Jan 10 00:16:01 it just happens that on n800, 0 = off Jan 10 00:16:13 oblackout i can handle :) Jan 10 00:16:18 hehe Jan 10 00:16:31 to see cant you shine an LED torch at it so you can adjust Jan 10 00:16:41 no transflective on n800 Jan 10 00:16:50 no light sensor either Jan 10 00:16:57 theres normally some bleed Jan 10 00:17:06 i thought about checking and keeping it at minimum 1 when on n800... but who am i to judge what people want? :P Jan 10 00:17:20 Check. :P Jan 10 00:17:22 next thing you know, someone will be writing a more advanced backlight control because mine is too limiting >_> Jan 10 00:17:32 Hehe, it's a backlight control. Jan 10 00:17:35 How complicated can it get? Jan 10 00:17:42 LOL Jan 10 00:17:44 nokia "after dark" Jan 10 00:17:44 rm_you: hey, i'm looking for people to play w/ my cross ref Jan 10 00:17:52 can you try it? :) Jan 10 00:17:53 ? Jan 10 00:18:00 infobot mxr.maemo.org deb Jan 10 00:18:01 from memory, mxr.maemo.org deb is unofficial, all warrantees void, http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/mxr-maemo-org-dns-0.1.deb Jan 10 00:18:10 rm_you: install that, then load http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/source/kernel-source-rx-34-2.6.21.0/drivers/video/omap/lcd_mipid.c#224 Jan 10 00:18:12 (for example) Jan 10 00:18:38 or http://mxr.maemo.org/os2008/search?string=backlight_level&find=kernel Jan 10 00:19:14 * lcuk makes a backup before touching root Jan 10 00:19:21 what does this package do? Jan 10 00:19:44 rm_you: it adds a dns entry for mxr.maemo.org Jan 10 00:19:49 ah lol Jan 10 00:19:54 http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Bluetooth_20mod_20for_20IBM_20keyboards Jan 10 00:20:08 that reminds me Jan 10 00:20:14 a perfect complement for my n800 Jan 10 00:20:17 can someone please explain the story about the phoenix time zone? Jan 10 00:20:54 yes, i can go to mxr.maemo.org Jan 10 00:21:07 rm_you: try it out Jan 10 00:21:12 play around, give feedback :) Jan 10 00:21:17 heh Jan 10 00:21:22 i actually played with this like a few days ago Jan 10 00:21:26 it is neat Jan 10 00:21:47 cool :) Jan 10 00:22:35 Luria, I was just thinking about that last night. Jan 10 00:22:52 i know Jan 10 00:22:57 i was here Jan 10 00:24:31 Ah, right then. ;) Jan 10 00:25:34 GeneralAntilles: oh... one other bug... i don't think it is correctly getting the current backlight level. Jan 10 00:25:40 GeneralAntilles: can you confirm that? Jan 10 00:26:33 <|tbb|> rm did you receive my pm Jan 10 00:26:48 maybe someone knows now: is there an easy way to switch to the arm perl instead of the i386 one in the chinook scratchbox? Jan 10 00:26:57 How do you mean, rm_you? Jan 10 00:27:13 GeneralAntilles: when you open it, the range slider should be set to the current value Jan 10 00:27:27 it does not seem to be working correctly for me >_> Jan 10 00:27:37 that is funny, considering i wrote it :P Jan 10 00:27:52 heh Jan 10 00:28:05 It seems to grab the default values. Jan 10 00:28:32 :/ Jan 10 00:29:00 So, if I set the topmost software level to 10, then close and reopen the applet Jan 10 00:29:04 it'll show al 127 Jan 10 00:29:12 -al Jan 10 00:30:34 hrm Jan 10 00:31:31 Meh, it's good enough that I'm just going to disable Nokia's applet. Jan 10 00:31:43 Get the wrapper figured out and we'll be 100% Jan 10 00:32:07 * lcuk feels embarrassed Jan 10 00:32:12 how do i set exec permission Jan 10 00:32:14 * lcuk is root now Jan 10 00:32:36 chmod +x foopy #? Jan 10 00:32:39 Finally, email server is back up :) Jan 10 00:32:42 ty :) Jan 10 00:32:48 That happy face doesn't mean I'm happy. Jan 10 00:33:38 At least now I can start reinstating my files from the backup. As they've _finally_ corrected my hard disk quota from 4G! to the 20G it should have been >:( Jan 10 00:35:02 <|tbb|> alterego: have you get the link which i pm you? Jan 10 00:35:15 |tbb|, yes. I'm going to check it out RIGHT NOW! :) Jan 10 00:35:41 <|tbb|> i was thinking i got problems with pm thats why im asking Jan 10 00:37:32 Hmm .. I was hoping not to have to install python .. Jan 10 00:38:01 <|tbb|> python is good for anything ;) Jan 10 00:38:29 I'd rather not have python on any of my machines. Jan 10 00:38:48 * timely frowns Jan 10 00:38:50 help Jan 10 00:38:57 i want to write a deb that's magical Jan 10 00:39:01 hrm ok, it can destoy itself now... Jan 10 00:39:17 it needs to require gettext in order to do work Jan 10 00:39:20 <|tbb|> okay then tell me if you got written your own app Jan 10 00:39:34 but i want people to be able to uninstall gettext w/o uninstalling my deb Jan 10 00:39:45 what am i missing if when running the install.sh script (which is now executable) tells me "/bin/sh: install.sh: not found" is it that sh cannot run something within the script, or the interpretter itself is missing? Jan 10 00:39:54 |tbb|, unfortunately for you, I was planning on writing it in Ruby :P Jan 10 00:40:06 lcuk: /bin/sh -x ./install.sh Jan 10 00:40:35 time, but its got a shebang thing in Jan 10 00:40:49 didnt think i needed all that lot with one of them Jan 10 00:41:19 will try it tho :) Jan 10 00:41:23 lcuk: is the shebang correct? Jan 10 00:41:32 if it isn't, this'd work... Jan 10 00:41:44 did you do: Jan 10 00:41:50 $ install.sh Jan 10 00:41:51 or Jan 10 00:41:53 $ ./install.sh Jan 10 00:42:14 top one install.sh Jan 10 00:42:16 the former only works if you do PATH=$PATH:. Jan 10 00:42:20 which you should never do Jan 10 00:42:36 you are right - i thought these shebangs were generic - was mistaken. thanx Jan 10 00:42:43 what the shell said was it couldn't find install.sh in your path Jan 10 00:42:46 it ran now Jan 10 00:42:50 and got further Jan 10 00:42:52 ty Jan 10 00:43:23 eep Jan 10 00:43:32 so um, using a repository that doesn't have gregale is a problem Jan 10 00:44:42 <|tbb|> timely i got the same error writing a bash script and running it on osso-xterm Jan 10 00:45:06 I guess they still haven't fixed paste in xterm .. Jan 10 00:45:15 ? Jan 10 00:45:18 <|tbb|> s/timely/lcuk Jan 10 00:46:17 this is the script rm just put together Jan 10 00:46:27 * lcuk is a terminal virgin Jan 10 00:46:42 |tbb|, not bad. I was wanting something a bit prettier, doesn't make me feel so bad that I'm gonna write my own in Ruby now ;) Jan 10 00:47:01 is there anyway to get microb on scratchbox? Jan 10 00:47:19 <|tbb|> alterego: have fun Jan 10 00:47:42 rm_you, with this installed, how do i activate it Jan 10 00:47:51 <|tbb|> reboot ;) Jan 10 00:48:09 lcuk: it's a statusbar applet Jan 10 00:48:14 so it's in control panel -> panels Jan 10 00:48:25 sec, new version is much cooler :P will upload it brifly Jan 10 00:48:28 *briefly Jan 10 00:48:30 thanks lololol Jan 10 00:48:41 just as i manage to get v0.00000001 on Jan 10 00:48:47 * lcuk is behind the curve Jan 10 00:49:41 jga23: not really Jan 10 00:49:56 there's no tablet-browser-ui for intel Jan 10 00:50:01 at least, afaik Jan 10 00:51:17 hmm its not listed in panels Jan 10 00:53:36 timely, would it work in scratchbox under the qemu ARMEL target? Jan 10 00:53:40 It appeared right away for me without me even doing anything when I used install.sh Jan 10 00:54:01 ill try it again Jan 10 00:54:04 johnx: if you got tablet-browser-ui and friends, yeah Jan 10 00:54:31 there's dpkg-repackage thing floating around, so you could use that... Jan 10 00:54:40 interesting Jan 10 00:55:46 * timely has written a basic script that's equivalent, but a real app is better... Jan 10 00:57:45 huh. why wont etch d/l gcc. Jan 10 00:57:46 I've been running Debian (and derivatives) for 8+ years and I still feel like I hardly know 10% of the software available ... Jan 10 00:59:02 this is nuts. Jan 10 00:59:41 ahhh Jan 10 00:59:59 johnx: if you know about more than 2% of the software, you're a genious Jan 10 01:00:00 : No such file or directorym/omapfb/panel/backlight_level Jan 10 01:00:28 thats from the line chmod a+w /sys/devices/platform/omapfb/panel/backlight_level Jan 10 01:01:01 heh, definitely not. I just picked a random number... Jan 10 01:01:16 * timely picks better random numbers =b Jan 10 01:02:45 how do i reconfigure sshd w/o being root? Jan 10 01:02:51 walking the tree its there Jan 10 01:04:08 timely, you don't... Jan 10 01:05:54 ok, suppose i was root, how would i reconfigure sshd? Jan 10 01:06:12 edit /etc/ssh/sshd.conf Jan 10 01:06:16 how do i force tar not to save the owner/group when i create a new tarball Jan 10 01:06:31 use zip ;-b Jan 10 01:06:48 --no-same-permissions Jan 10 01:06:57 got it! i did each line manually and its appeared Jan 10 01:07:36 rm_you: how about --group use_this_group Jan 10 01:07:37 but i want it to save the rwx flags.... will that erase those? Jan 10 01:07:55 and --owner use_this_owner Jan 10 01:08:18 hrm, well, those work on bsd Jan 10 01:08:24 if you're using gnu, i'm sorry ;-b Jan 10 01:08:40 or tell people extracting it to use -o Jan 10 01:08:47 hrm, --group exists Jan 10 01:08:57 timely, looks like all those are present on gnu tar Jan 10 01:09:20 * timely can't find --owner in man tar on dh Jan 10 01:09:56 it's here in gtar 1.18 Jan 10 01:11:13 what's the date of your man page? Jan 10 01:11:52 ok... Jan 10 01:12:06 http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight-0.1.tar Jan 10 01:12:07 so... what is actually preventing sshd from starting? Jan 10 01:12:16 cooler :P should still work approx the same Jan 10 01:12:30 now to start brainstorming on how to make it a small popup... Jan 10 01:13:17 timely: you mean it's not starting with the system? or you can't even run it by hand? Jan 10 01:14:57 there's no /etc/ssh/sshd_config Jan 10 01:16:53 timely, you're on BSD right now I take it? or is this the Debian box? Jan 10 01:17:19 my 770 is unhappy, my mac is in front of me, and i have access to dreamhost which has dpkg tools Jan 10 01:17:26 from which i've made various debs Jan 10 01:18:30 ok, and which box has no /etc/ssh/sshd_config ? Jan 10 01:18:35 770 Jan 10 01:18:55 dropbear sshd or openssh sshd? Jan 10 01:19:01 open Jan 10 01:19:31 heh Jan 10 01:20:02 so... a GtkMenuItem is a subclass of GtkBin... which MAYBE means i can put stuff in it? eh? :P Jan 10 01:21:34 what are you trying to put into it Jan 10 01:21:51 a random GtkWidget Jan 10 01:22:01 like for instance... a hildon_control_bar Jan 10 01:22:12 Hm, never tried. You can pack a lot of stuff into a lot of other stuff, in general... Jan 10 01:23:32 I suppose it would depend if menuitem is compatible as a container Jan 10 01:24:38 Sure that's the best way to do what you want to do, tho? (doing weird things to standard widgets often causes user angst) Jan 10 01:24:44 anybody get google spreadsheets running well on os2008? Jan 10 01:24:56 dragorn: no idea... but no better ideas >_> Jan 10 01:25:17 jga23: what's wrong w/ it? Jan 10 01:25:54 timely: if you have anything passed 30 or so rows of data, you can't scroll Jan 10 01:25:56 dragorn: what command would i use to try to pack a GtkWidget called "mywidget" into a bin called "mybin"? >_> i'm new to GTK and their documentation is confusing me Jan 10 01:27:11 jga23: try http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-pageupdown-0.1.deb ? Jan 10 01:27:24 gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(mybin), mywidget); ? Jan 10 01:27:31 yeah Jan 10 01:28:06 timely: what's that do? Jan 10 01:28:49 hrm, well it fits in there bit if i try to click on the control, it thinks i'm trying to click on the menu item, so it closes the menu Jan 10 01:28:50 ah Jan 10 01:29:10 jga23: there's a description, an there are sources to all my debs next to them Jan 10 01:30:35 hi Jan 10 01:31:30 rm_you: you can munge with the events, but I don't know how you'd do it offhand Jan 10 01:31:39 the back light on the keyboard is very usefull in the dark :p Jan 10 01:31:49 rm_you: google for a popup menu example Jan 10 01:32:29 rm_you, the smallest, simplest, most similar thing might be the backlight setting slider on GPE Jan 10 01:32:54 has kismet already been ported to os2008? Jan 10 01:32:57 hrmrm Jan 10 01:34:17 ok, why else would sshd not start? Jan 10 01:34:23 there's now an sshd_config Jan 10 01:34:54 if you run as root: /usr/sbin/sshd, what happens? Jan 10 01:35:22 it says it can't read the ssh key Jan 10 01:35:31 which is true, they're only readable by root Jan 10 01:35:43 there doesn't seem to be an rcN.d entry for ssh Jan 10 01:36:51 ok well, off to go drinking :P toodles Jan 10 01:36:58 i'll work on this more tomorrow Jan 10 01:37:18 cya rm, have fun Jan 10 01:37:19 later rm_you Jan 10 01:37:23 thanx :) Jan 10 01:37:43 * lcuk buys rm a virtual beer Jan 10 01:37:57 dpkg-reconfigure openssh-sshd Jan 10 01:38:09 johnx: i can't, i'm not root Jan 10 01:38:12 and i'm not interactive Jan 10 01:38:38 aaaah...ok, I'm beginning to understand Jan 10 01:38:47 oh yeah, latest one has a decent icon, clicking on the icon again kills the window, and after the first change, the icon fills/empties itself like the real applet :P Jan 10 01:38:51 * rm_you leaves Jan 10 01:40:47 does nokia make anyone else feel like a crack addict? Jan 10 01:40:48 so you can get an interactive shell as user but not root? Jan 10 01:41:00 johnx: yes Jan 10 01:41:00 I want my freaking 810 argh!!!!!!! Jan 10 01:41:08 but i have dpkg -i via app manager Jan 10 01:41:13 so i can root the box slowly :) Jan 10 01:41:24 aah too much linux Jan 10 01:41:39 brain hurts Jan 10 01:41:46 can't you just use application manager to install a tool that gets your root? or is that broken somehow? Jan 10 01:41:59 i don't know of an easy tool Jan 10 01:42:04 i suppose i could spawn an xterm Jan 10 01:42:12 seems kinda stupid Jan 10 01:43:04 becomeroot Jan 10 01:43:49 I can't remember: can you install becomeroot through app manager? or does it only work with dpkg -i Jan 10 01:44:02 It works through app manager. Jan 10 01:44:03 i just installed it through app manager Jan 10 01:44:20 but you must have done the red pill thing i think and installed the correct repository Jan 10 01:44:31 timely, use becomeroot, unless you really like the challenge of hacking out root without "cheating" Jan 10 01:44:53 johnx: it's fun Jan 10 01:45:02 ahahaha Jan 10 01:45:56 Andy80: The wireless drivers don't work consistently Jan 10 01:46:01 whats the big deal? ssh works fine Jan 10 01:46:07 Andy80: until I figure out why, or until someone sends me patches, there won't be kismet for 8x0 Jan 10 01:46:41 timely seems to like creating problems for himself to "fix" I guess Jan 10 01:48:24 user is passwd -l by default, yes? Jan 10 01:48:49 I think that's what it amounts to Jan 10 01:49:37 probably ideal then to passwd -l root and add another user Jan 10 01:49:40 no? Jan 10 01:50:21 ok Jan 10 01:50:27 so what else could be wrong? Jan 10 01:50:30 thanks Jan 10 01:52:05 timely, it sounds like sshd wasn't installed properly somehow and so you don't have a key Jan 10 01:52:24 maybe it was unpacked but the postinst script didn't run? Jan 10 01:52:24 johnx: there's a key Jan 10 01:52:34 configure failed Jan 10 01:52:38 it wanted user input Jan 10 01:52:46 which is nice, given there's no input in app manager Jan 10 01:53:28 seriously, the easiest way to fix this is to just install becomeroot, and troubleshoot as root Jan 10 01:57:02 Setting a password on the user can screw up the app manager that way. Jan 10 01:57:31 on os2006 i have no problems with a user password Jan 10 01:57:44 user:!:.... Jan 10 01:57:47 according to passwd Jan 10 01:58:09 I couldn't make OS2008 run like ubuntu/osx where root has no legal password and you sudo everything with a strong user password; the app manager doesn't handle that properly. Jan 10 01:58:18 It also got stuck in reboot sometimes. Jan 10 01:58:37 cute Jan 10 01:58:49 I enjoyed not being able to change my shell. Jan 10 01:59:00 I only bricked the thing three times before I figured out that was what was doing it. Jan 10 02:00:05 I also like how it thinks root's homedir is /home/user... meaning root can't have separate config files. Jan 10 02:00:19 hey all -- playing with an n770 -- I'm wondering how I can put it to sleep from the commandline? Jan 10 02:01:39 whizziwig: There's probably a way to do it via dbus. Jan 10 02:02:39 Run dbus-monitor --system and blank & lock keys manually, and see what scrolls by. Jan 10 02:06:53 derf: eh? Jan 10 02:07:17 You don't think so? Jan 10 02:07:20 passwd in 2006 says root = /root Jan 10 02:07:30 note that sudo doesn't give you a full env Jan 10 02:07:42 unless you sudo su - iirc (- is important) Jan 10 02:07:42 timely: Oh. Well that could also be the problem. Jan 10 02:07:51 I know what - does. Jan 10 02:07:57 I just run sudo gainroot. Jan 10 02:08:03 it's the standard user error (sudo w/o su -) Jan 10 02:08:13 sudo gainroot su - :0 Jan 10 02:08:15 Because, IIRC, su - didn't work. Jan 10 02:08:17 or ssh root@127.1 Jan 10 02:08:31 by the time you're done, ssh root@127.1 is much better Jan 10 02:08:36 (if you can make it work Jan 10 02:08:59 can the network perference in OS2007 be tuned so it will drop a Bluetooth connection in favor of WiFi? Jan 10 02:09:15 * timely doesn't think so Jan 10 02:09:17 too logical Jan 10 02:09:29 it is so close to being perfect Jan 10 02:09:43 That would be great, ds3. Jan 10 02:09:59 ds3: Perfect as in it gives you no way to express any preference? Jan 10 02:10:05 got mail polling on there, got jabber running... if it would only use what the user consider the best network Jan 10 02:10:20 echo standby > /sys/power/state turns it off, but it won't wake u Jan 10 02:10:26 derf: no, I been looking for a device that will let me roam between hertrogenous networks Jan 10 02:10:58 whizziwig: _Actually_ suspending, as opposed to just blanking the screen and locking the keys, is completely different. Jan 10 02:11:13 There's a hardware watchdog timer that is a dead-man's switch. Jan 10 02:11:30 If a certain thing doesn't get frobbed every 64 seconds, it reboots. Jan 10 02:11:37 what about SCO sockets, do any of them work with the stock kernel? Jan 10 02:11:44 blanking the screen would be fine Jan 10 02:12:00 derf, timely: sudo -i Jan 10 02:12:14 there's no need to have a root login at all Jan 10 02:13:02 what happens when you put the cover on? is that "suspend" or just screen balnking? Jan 10 02:14:06 Just screen blanking (I presume, I don't have a 770). Jan 10 02:14:25 there is a bluetooth headset emulator that would be nice to have on the 800 Jan 10 02:14:40 maddler had a script that does real suspend (waking up every 60 seconds to frob the watchdog), but I'm pretty sure nothing uses that normally. Jan 10 02:14:54 I found that in the chat logs Jan 10 02:17:55 timely: that deb didn't fix google spreadsheets Jan 10 02:29:52 okay, let's try this from the other direction -- is there an easy way to trigger an activity on wake up? Jan 10 02:30:28 tie a string around your finger? Jan 10 02:30:59 err, of my 770 Jan 10 02:31:25 sorry trying to read up Jan 10 02:31:41 what are you trying to do? Jan 10 02:31:46 Easy? No, probably not. Jan 10 02:32:13 I think its a script that runs on 770, or it used to be? Jan 10 02:32:20 an artist friend wants to play a video on wakeup and then send it back to sleep Jan 10 02:32:50 Well, if you're willing to write code, you could monitor dbus events. Jan 10 02:32:59 writing code is fine Jan 10 02:33:11 Then that's probably the easiest route. Jan 10 02:33:27 how can I figure out the dbus event for resume and slep? Jan 10 02:33:35 watching the monitor didn't do much earlier Jan 10 02:33:45 I know it did a lot on the N800. Jan 10 02:33:51 I have no idea on the 770. Jan 10 02:34:06 Though I thought most of the same events were triggered. Jan 10 02:34:19 They certainly were for the AC adapter state. Jan 10 02:34:47 maybe it shut down wireless before it sent the event, so I lost it when running over ssh? Jan 10 02:37:47 I'd think you'd notice your ssh session disappearing. Jan 10 02:38:27 whizziwig, maybe you could run it inside screen? Jan 10 02:38:38 the connection resumed though, I saw some wakeup events, but none of the sleep ones Jan 10 02:39:05 Well, I mean, it's TCP. It can't send just "some" of the packets. Jan 10 02:39:38 If you saw anything you saw everything up to that point. Jan 10 02:40:03 dbus isn't TCP, it's Unix domain sockets Jan 10 02:40:11 elb: ssh is. Jan 10 02:40:24 yeah, I figured out what he was trying to say after I sent that Jan 10 02:40:48 it didn't compute the first time ;-) Jan 10 02:51:37 okay, I'm too tired to deal with this tonight Jan 10 02:56:31 what's the simplest way to send dbus events to the system to test, without cross-compling a c program? Jan 10 02:56:47 python? Jan 10 02:57:39 I'd need to install that, yes? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 10 02:59:57 2008