**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 12 02:59:57 2008
Jan 12 03:05:41 <thefool> ah it seems the problem is there is no longer a cgi script at gnuite.com/cgi-bin/poi.cgi
Jan 12 03:06:38 <thefool> I guess it was too much for his servers or something
Jan 12 03:30:10 <penguinbait> anyone know if you have to pay taxes on donations from paypal
Jan 12 03:30:13 <penguinbait> ?
Jan 12 03:30:55 <penguinbait> in usa anyway :)
Jan 12 03:31:31 <GeneralAntilles> Not as long as it's under a certain limit
Jan 12 03:31:36 <elb> that question is nonsensical
Jan 12 03:31:56 <elb> it doesn't matter the manner in which you receive "donations" (or any other income)
Jan 12 03:32:06 <elb> only the amount of the income, and the status of the recipient
Jan 12 03:32:58 <penguinbait> so its income
Jan 12 03:41:40 <Esworp> Burrrrrpp!
Jan 12 03:52:00 <acydlord> it's taxable unless you are registered as a NPO
Jan 12 03:52:08 <acydlord> all the information is on paypal now
Jan 12 05:15:30 <rm_you|n800> hrm
Jan 12 05:16:31 <johnx> rm_you, hrm?
Jan 12 05:17:13 <rm_you|n800> i guess one nice thing about having a remote buildbox is that i can use it no matter where i am with no extra setup ;p
Jan 12 05:17:44 <johnx> yes, and compiling big things doesn't slow down your desktop
Jan 12 05:18:07 <johnx> I have a "remote buildbox" ... except that it's a 416MHz XScale w/ 64MB of RAM
Jan 12 05:23:28 <johnx> rm_you|n800, ask me about my debian chroot on my N800 :D
Jan 12 05:23:31 <acydlord> lol, mine is a 500mhz celeron with 256mb of ram
Jan 12 05:24:20 <johnx> acydlord, well the important aspect of mine is that I don't have to cross compile
Jan 12 05:24:29 <johnx> native armel eabi FTW
Jan 12 05:25:09 <acydlord> i use mine to compile for more than arm procs
Jan 12 05:27:16 <johnx> I have different build boxes for other stuff
Jan 12 05:27:48 <dragorn> i just threw it in a vmware on my build system
Jan 12 05:28:06 <johnx> dragorn, vmware emulates ARM?
Jan 12 05:28:29 <dragorn> no, but scratchbox does
Jan 12 05:28:49 <johnx> I'm not using scratchbox
Jan 12 05:29:13 <johnx> I'm decided to just start compiling natively on a debian armel chroot
Jan 12 05:29:37 <zoran> crosscompile?
Jan 12 05:30:03 <dragorn> I've yet to encounter a problem with crosscompiling so I don't see the advantage.  And I'm not, yet, so masochistic as to want to write code on the 810 :P
Jan 12 05:30:12 * dragorn wrote code on a palm pilot, that was enough torture
Jan 12 05:30:31 <zoran> gcc is concidered stubborn on some cases
Jan 12 05:30:48 <johnx> dragorn, that's what ssh is for
Jan 12 05:30:49 <K-Fox> hi
Jan 12 05:31:03 <ds3> a Zaurus C3200/C3100 is a better dev. platform then the 810/800
Jan 12 05:31:11 <zoran> dead
Jan 12 05:31:26 <johnx> ds3, mine's a C1000
Jan 12 05:31:31 <ds3> a local hard drive is rather useful for compiling
Jan 12 05:31:34 <K-Fox> is it possible to listem in http://www.last.fm on n810
Jan 12 05:31:37 <ds3> johnx: does that one have hte microdrive?
Jan 12 05:31:45 <johnx> ds3, no micro drive
Jan 12 05:31:50 <johnx> I compile on a USB stick
Jan 12 05:32:23 <johnx> K-Fox, look for vagalume
Jan 12 05:32:51 <ds3> johnx: I was thinking more of having a swap device; you can swap to flash but that can be a lot of wear
Jan 12 05:33:09 <johnx> ds3, my sd card has a lifetime warrany
Jan 12 05:33:23 <johnx> if they didn't want me to swap to it it would have said on the box :D
Jan 12 05:33:24 <ds3> but then again, I suppose it is possible to use a USB to IDE device and have a hard drive on the 8x0
Jan 12 05:33:31 <K-Fox> vagalume?
Jan 12 05:33:39 <ds3> johnx: =)
Jan 12 05:33:40 <johnx> vagalume = last.fm client
Jan 12 05:33:47 <K-Fox> oh good
Jan 12 05:33:50 <K-Fox> really?
Jan 12 05:34:02 <K-Fox> thanks ~~
Jan 12 05:34:16 <ds3> johnx: wouldn't the price of postage negate the value of the lifetime warrantee?
Jan 12 05:34:21 <zoran> ds3, some lag should be expected with so remote hdd
Jan 12 05:34:54 <johnx> ds3, it didn't last time
Jan 12 05:35:03 <johnx> it might not be worth it this time
Jan 12 05:35:21 <ds3> I would think shipping is around $2-$3
Jan 12 05:35:22 <johnx> next time I'll just put it in a plain envelope though and if it doesn't get there then meh
Jan 12 05:35:27 <ds3> haha
Jan 12 05:35:51 <ds3> zoran: it is better then Swap over NFS via bluetooth ;)
Jan 12 05:36:10 <zoran> or swap partition on memory card
Jan 12 05:36:12 <ds3> actually a NSLU2 might be even better
Jan 12 05:36:25 <user_> i guess one nice thing about having a remote buildbox is that i can use it no matter where i am with no extra setup ;p
Jan 12 05:36:30 <zoran> I thought about snlu2 recently
Jan 12 05:36:41 <ds3> thesedays, how does writing to SD or CF compare to writing to a microdrive?
Jan 12 05:36:41 <zoran> *nslu2
Jan 12 05:36:53 <user_> hrm
Jan 12 05:37:26 <zoran> ds3, it should be more power consuming
Jan 12 05:37:43 <ds3> probally the biggest drawback with the Z or the slug is they can only natively run v5te tool chains so you can't test v6-vfp specific stuff
Jan 12 05:37:47 <ds3> zoran: what about speed?
Jan 12 05:37:57 <zoran> hm, dunno
Jan 12 05:38:08 <zoran> hdd should be faster
Jan 12 05:38:21 <zoran> and lives whole the time with power on
Jan 12 05:39:31 <johnx> I think SD access on the Zaurus is pretty slow, but it's close to the max speed the card supports on the N8x0
Jan 12 05:39:35 <zoran> btw, someone got yahoo imap on any device?
Jan 12 05:39:56 <Luria> does the class 2/4/6 matter on the nokias?
Jan 12 05:40:12 <rm_you|wtf> woo sup johnx
Jan 12 05:40:17 <ds3> yes, but the nice thing about the Z is it has a CF slot too ;)
Jan 12 05:40:45 <zoran> is there any diff sd - cf now?
Jan 12 05:41:08 <johnx> ds3, mine is taken up by wireless :/
Jan 12 05:41:16 <johnx> rm_you|wtf, hey
Jan 12 05:41:19 <ds3> for a Linux 2.4 based device, I think CF is going to be faster
Jan 12 05:41:58 <zoran> I found 770 fast enough for the tasks I gave it to it
Jan 12 05:42:17 <rm_you|wtf> johnx, so the applet works on a nonmodified kernel now
Jan 12 05:42:25 <johnx> rm_you|wtf, really?!
Jan 12 05:42:29 <rm_you|n800> yes
Jan 12 05:42:30 <johnx> that's craziness
Jan 12 05:42:46 <rm_you|n800> i'm cheating though, so it's a little slow
Jan 12 05:43:23 <Luria> cf is still faster in devices that can use it
Jan 12 05:43:27 <Luria> like pro slrs
Jan 12 05:43:47 <johnx> I think the latest rev of CF has support for DMA
Jan 12 05:44:33 <Luria> plus its just a mini ata port
Jan 12 05:45:01 <johnx> they're working on an sata based version of CF I hear
Jan 12 05:45:03 <dragorn> New CF standard is sata.  Nothing that uses it yet though.
Jan 12 05:47:55 <ds3> actually, is the lag that significant on the 8x0? it should be USB2
Jan 12 05:48:27 <zoran> the device like that shouldn't be a sprinter
Jan 12 05:49:17 <ds3> btw, anyone tried getting those USB VGA things to work on the 8x0?
Jan 12 05:50:42 <johnx> actually, I'm confused: Will the N8x0 *host* at 480Mb/s or 12Mb/s?
Jan 12 05:50:52 <dragorn> ds3: Ask me later this weekend
Jan 12 05:51:00 <dragorn> ds3: and I'll test it, if I can be arsed to compile the modules
Jan 12 05:51:08 <ds3> 480Mb/s unless the TUSB6110 is different from the MUSB stuff
Jan 12 05:51:10 * dragorn just got it going on some other hardware and it's not quick :P
Jan 12 05:51:20 <dragorn> actually I take that back
Jan 12 05:51:26 <ds3> dragorn: you got one of those ?!
Jan 12 05:51:27 <dragorn> I'd have to build a power injector
Jan 12 05:51:43 <dragorn> ds3: I have several
Jan 12 05:51:49 <johnx> dragorn, what about a powered hub for testing?
Jan 12 05:51:51 <ds3> I was just thinking of setting up one of those and have a VGA to NTSC converter attached to it
Jan 12 05:51:57 <dragorn> johnx: in theory, no
Jan 12 05:51:58 <ds3> nice
Jan 12 05:52:02 <dragorn> johnx: otg is single-device only
Jan 12 05:52:25 <dragorn> johnx: I haven't tested to see if the 8x0 actually enforces that.  Tho os2008 final broke usb pretty badly
Jan 12 05:52:32 <dragorn> most devices cause a kernel panic during enumeration
Jan 12 05:52:44 <dragorn> if they're not plugged in during boot anyhow.  And then they cause a kernel panic on device close.
Jan 12 05:52:56 <ds3> the musb subsystem is pretty screwed up anyways
Jan 12 05:53:27 * dragorn nods
Jan 12 05:53:35 <dragorn> The kernel in the betas worked, the final release not so much
Jan 12 05:53:39 <dragorn> haven't bothered to diff them
Jan 12 05:53:55 <ds3> I am at a lost as how they could have screwed it up more
Jan 12 05:53:58 <johnx> that's unfortunate
Jan 12 05:54:31 <johnx> I figured since it worked so perfectly on the Zaurus it wouldn't be much of a challenge
Jan 12 05:54:31 <ds3> i wonder why they didn't compile gadget zero as it can work around some of the "problems"
Jan 12 05:54:50 <johnx> and for the record, the zaurus kernel doesn't enforce "single device only" or any kind of "whitelist"
Jan 12 05:54:57 <dragorn> johnx: is it OTG?
Jan 12 05:55:07 <ds3> johnx: Z uses a stock OHCI setup and only does FS at best
Jan 12 05:55:12 <dragorn> johnx: i mean the 770 didn't, either, but it was a proper USB host
Jan 12 05:55:31 <dragorn> the 8x0 devs are both OTG which is a different USB standard
Jan 12 05:56:05 <ds3> or was it UHCI
Jan 12 05:56:26 <ds3> <--- gets nightmares about MUSB ;)
Jan 12 05:56:29 <johnx> zaurus is ohci, havent dug into n8x0 yet since I don't have a combination of cables
Jan 12 05:59:33 <rm_you|n800> johnx, go back to akiba and buy one of those things i bought :P
Jan 12 05:59:53 <johnx> rm_you|n800, probably early next month :D
Jan 12 06:00:10 <rm_you|n800> :P
Jan 12 06:00:19 <ds3> actually, the PXA otg go is in a questionable state in 2.6
Jan 12 06:00:31 <ds3> at least on the gumstix
Jan 12 06:01:27 <johnx> ds3, really? I've been compiling for multiple days over it on my c1000
Jan 12 06:01:38 <ds3> johnx: what ROM?
Jan 12 06:01:54 <johnx> angstrom with debian armel chroot
Jan 12 06:02:01 <johnx> linux-rp-2.6.23
Jan 12 06:02:08 <acydlord> haha crap, i just found out that i know the founder of gOS
Jan 12 06:02:12 <ds3> have you tried using it in gadget mode (USB net or mass storage)?
Jan 12 06:02:57 <johnx> ds3, it's pretty flakey in that mode
Jan 12 06:03:14 <johnx> I never use that stuff though so it's not an issue
Jan 12 06:03:16 <ds3> johnx: OTG == Host + Gadget functionality
Jan 12 06:03:27 <rm_you|n800> Hrmrm
Jan 12 06:03:35 <johnx> ds3, fair enough
Jan 12 06:03:36 <Luria> sigh, just rebooted a machine with 145 days of uptime
Jan 12 06:03:42 <johnx> I'd rather have host if I had to choose though
Jan 12 06:03:46 <rm_you|n800> it's really weird programming in a non-object-oriented language >_>
Jan 12 06:04:32 <rm_you|n800> i at least want C++ <_<
Jan 12 06:04:35 <ds3> I suspect MUSB can be forced (compile time) into host mode for some more reliability but the lack of power on the pins of the 8x0 makes that a problem :(
Jan 12 06:05:15 <johnx> I'm still not getting why a powered hub won't work if the "single device only" is just an arbitrary software thing
Jan 12 06:05:20 <rm_you|n800> i do really need to get/make a usb host cable that works in the n800 (mini.. b?)
Jan 12 06:05:42 <ds3> johnx: IIRC, strictly speaking, that is illegal per the USB spec
Jan 12 06:05:55 <rm_you|n800> i can't imagine why someone isnt selling them on one of those doityourself selling sites yet
Jan 12 06:06:02 <penguinbait> why not just make a menu item to switch to and from host
Jan 12 06:06:10 <ds3> the host is suppose to supply power for a pull up/pull down on the signal lines and the spec calls for it to be driven by the power lines
Jan 12 06:06:10 <rm_you|n800> penguinbait, there is a way to do that
Jan 12 06:06:21 <johnx> ds3, I don't think many people here will lose sleep over breaking USB spec on their own device
Jan 12 06:06:24 <ds3> and back driving is ilegal
Jan 12 06:06:25 <penguinbait> sure
Jan 12 06:06:26 <rm_you|n800> penguinbait, that is what i'm doing now, with osso-statusbar-cpu and a scripti
Jan 12 06:06:30 <rm_you|n800> ts on the wiki
Jan 12 06:06:46 <penguinbait> its just an echo?
Jan 12 06:06:50 <rm_you|n800> basically
Jan 12 06:06:56 <ds3> johnx: but the devices are designed to not violate the spec so you'd have to modify the hub
Jan 12 06:07:00 <rm_you|n800> not QUITE but basically
Jan 12 06:07:26 <ds3> I know i had it working with 1 (no name, $4 special) USB2 hub but another one in identical case won't work (this is on the 770)
Jan 12 06:07:36 <penguinbait> I just do one echo, and I have usb disk, cdrom/dvd joysticks
Jan 12 06:07:36 <pupnik_> best 4GB miniSD card seems to be Transcend mini Secure Digital Card SDHC - from the rated speeds
Jan 12 06:07:46 <penguinbait> modules all preload on boot
Jan 12 06:07:58 <johnx> ds3 I thought the N8x0 was different in that regard than the 770
Jan 12 06:08:17 <penguinbait> it is
Jan 12 06:08:27 <penguinbait> usb host mode on 770
Jan 12 06:08:30 <penguinbait> not OTG
Jan 12 06:08:41 <ds3> oh
Jan 12 06:08:46 <penguinbait> hubs work great on 770
Jan 12 06:08:46 <ds3> thought the 1710 can do OTG
Jan 12 06:09:11 <ds3> no biggie, I can borrow those 2 USB connector Y cables from those USB drive cases
Jan 12 06:09:35 <penguinbait> trying to run a hard drive
Jan 12 06:10:10 <ds3> no, just using the Y cable; it has a MiniB and 2 USB A connectors...
Jan 12 06:10:31 <dragorn> the 800 is broken but you can control it from sw
Jan 12 06:10:34 <ds3> one USB A can be used to feed power from those phone USB charger AC adapter thingies and the second one can be used witha A to A adapter
Jan 12 06:11:02 <dragorn> http://svn.kismetwireless.net/code/tools/spectools/maemo_usb_helper.c
Jan 12 06:11:24 <dragorn> is a stupid C program to mode-toggle the 800
Jan 12 06:11:33 <dragorn> you can do it w/ shell too if it makes you happy
Jan 12 06:12:37 <ds3> dragorn: do you know if the 8x0 has the device/host ID pin routed to the connector?
Jan 12 06:12:38 <penguinbait> here is my adapter
Jan 12 06:12:41 <penguinbait> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=123355#post123355
Jan 12 06:12:48 <dragorn> ds3: it does
Jan 12 06:12:56 <penguinbait> nice and small
Jan 12 06:13:07 <dragorn> ds3: however the 800 is invalid because it uses a B shell mini
Jan 12 06:13:19 <dragorn> ds3: which uses different shells for a and b modes
Jan 12 06:13:28 <ds3> but the pin is there?
Jan 12 06:13:30 <dragorn> ds3: the 810 uses micro, and you can get a micro-a for about $8 on amazon
Jan 12 06:13:40 <dragorn> ds3: in theory.  I jsut toggle it w/ software.
Jan 12 06:13:45 <ds3> so I can build some crazy adapters to work around it?
Jan 12 06:14:05 <dragorn> you'd have to shear off some of the shell from an A connector
Jan 12 06:14:31 <ds3> dragorn: on other MUSB platforms, loading and unloading a gadget driver can force a OTG host/device detection
Jan 12 06:14:48 <dragorn> my problem isn't device detection
Jan 12 06:14:56 <dragorn> though I do have hw that just won't detect
Jan 12 06:15:07 <dragorn> my problem is the system locks up dead and the watchdog kicks it 30 seconds later
Jan 12 06:15:14 <dragorn> during dev enumeration/opening
Jan 12 06:15:30 <ds3> ah the "other problem"
Jan 12 06:15:44 <ds3> so sysfs works around this lockup?
Jan 12 06:15:59 <ds3> (I just change it at compile time to avoid issues like that)
Jan 12 06:16:01 <dragorn> Didn't happen under beta 2008.  Get all my code rewritten and hildonized, get the hw vendors psyched... and 2008 release doesn't work at all.
Jan 12 06:16:05 <dragorn> No?
Jan 12 06:16:09 <dragorn> There is no solution for the lockup
Jan 12 06:16:11 <dragorn> that I know of
Jan 12 06:16:20 <ds3> oh
Jan 12 06:16:23 <dragorn> other than rebooting the device w/ the USB hw plugged in w/ a host-mode cable
Jan 12 06:16:29 <dragorn> then it sometimes doesn't crash until you close the device
Jan 12 06:16:32 <dragorn> but often, it does.
Jan 12 06:16:39 <cesman> hello hello
Jan 12 06:16:59 <ds3> know where it faults?
Jan 12 06:17:02 <cesman> is anyone else seeing slower performance on thier n800 w/ os2008?
Jan 12 06:17:14 <dragorn> ds3: no idea, I don't have a serial cable for it
Jan 12 06:17:15 <ds3> and if it happens if you disable DMA?
Jan 12 06:17:17 <cesman> mine seem sluggish
Jan 12 06:17:31 <dragorn> ds3: How would I do that?
Jan 12 06:17:54 <ds3> dragorn: there is a sysfs to do it... but I don't recall it. I usually do it at compile time
Jan 12 06:18:09 <dragorn> in musb?
Jan 12 06:18:20 <ds3> dragorn: also what kind of device (specifically, what type of endpoints)
Jan 12 06:18:39 <dragorn> ds3: n8x0 (800 and 810 exhibit the same behavior flaws), wispy2 HID device
Jan 12 06:18:47 <ds3> yeah, there is a menuconfig option for disable pio. disable that will disable DMA
Jan 12 06:19:11 <dragorn> ds3: which is a custom usb device that gets driven by libusb from userspace
Jan 12 06:19:21 <ds3> oh HID... that's interrupt. i had some fixes for ISO endpoints
Jan 12 06:20:01 <dragorn> yeah it's an iread off the usb2 device
Jan 12 06:20:09 <dragorn> it's a feature get off the usb1, but that doesn't enumerate at all anyhow
Jan 12 06:20:21 <ds3> I'd be very interested to know if DMA effects it. ISO was broken for in and out in DMA mode
Jan 12 06:21:00 <dragorn> well, hopefully theres an option for that in sys
Jan 12 06:21:06 <dragorn> since I can't expect users to recompile their kernels
Jan 12 06:21:16 <ds3> let me see if the board is up and I can check
Jan 12 06:21:25 <dragorn> i'm poking in /sys now
Jan 12 06:25:38 <ds3> there is use_dma for plat_uds variants (module paramater)
Jan 12 06:26:56 <dragorn> not modular on the nokia kernels
Jan 12 06:29:26 <ds3> oh :(
Jan 12 06:30:15 <dragorn> yeah
Jan 12 06:30:21 <dragorn> that was my first thought
Jan 12 06:31:56 <ds3> Mmmm it is controled by a single static variable... a proper write to /dev/kmem....
Jan 12 06:32:27 <dragorn> hah, wow, no :P
Jan 12 07:01:35 <Zic> hi
Jan 12 07:02:37 <johnx> hi
Jan 12 07:02:57 <unique311> yo
Jan 12 07:07:08 <rm_you|n800> >_>
Jan 12 07:35:50 <pupnik_> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=787&d=1200123058  <<< speed test for internal flash (change to /media/mmc1 to test sd/sdhc card)
Jan 12 07:43:48 <rm_you|n800> hrm
Jan 12 07:43:55 <rm_you|n800> i shall try that in a min
Jan 12 07:44:03 <rm_you|n800> it takes 100mb free?
Jan 12 07:47:35 <pupnik_> yes
Jan 12 07:47:43 <pupnik_> close other apps, run several times
Jan 12 07:48:40 <pupnik_> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=125707#post125707
Jan 12 07:48:47 <pupnik_> there's the thread for people's test results
Jan 12 07:49:57 <pupnik_> looks like 4gb miniSDHC are the best deals right now ~ 22-24 euro
Jan 12 07:55:03 <unique311> hey pupnik_ got a sec
Jan 12 07:55:16 <pupnik_> yeah
Jan 12 07:55:35 <unique311> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=125931
Jan 12 07:55:45 <unique311> lunapaint links.
Jan 12 07:56:31 <unique311> it builds really quickly,  but segfaults in SB and on the device
Jan 12 07:57:46 <pupnik_> good post.  a good painter is one of the big things missing still.
Jan 12 07:58:46 <unique311> faints developer, says he doesn't have anytime.
Jan 12 07:59:06 <unique311> and mtpaint is proving very difficult to hildonize
Jan 12 07:59:10 <unique311> mtpaint = faint
Jan 12 07:59:14 <pupnik_> yea
Jan 12 07:59:32 <pupnik_> have you used lunapaint on the pc yet?
Jan 12 07:59:36 <unique311> thats a relief for me.
Jan 12 08:00:14 <unique311> i thought i just sucked.  but after reading his update, feel kinda better about hildon.
Jan 12 08:00:39 <pupnik_> ok
Jan 12 08:00:48 <pupnik_> rgbpaint looks way too primitive
Jan 12 08:01:01 <unique311> i know....not enough tools
Jan 12 08:01:06 <unique311> lunapaint is just right.
Jan 12 08:01:24 <unique311> but i'm not sure why i'm getting the segfaults when i try to start it.
Jan 12 08:01:26 <pupnik_> well i'll give it a try on the PC
Jan 12 08:01:32 <unique311> cool
Jan 12 08:02:00 <pupnik_> it looks like a bit of work to get those multiple windows into one gtk/hildon window
Jan 12 08:02:01 <unique311> you mess with sdl alot, so i figure you would figure out the problem.
Jan 12 08:02:41 <pupnik_> lunapaint is sdl?
Jan 12 08:02:42 <unique311> well mypaint has multiple windows, and it opens all of them.  3 to be exact.
Jan 12 08:02:44 <unique311> yes
Jan 12 08:02:51 <pupnik_> holy...
Jan 12 08:02:55 <unique311> ??
Jan 12 08:03:09 <Lynoure> I could not find evince for os2008 yet. Does it exist?
Jan 12 08:03:34 <unique311> Lynoure, saw a post on ITT about evince and os2008
Jan 12 08:04:43 <Lynoure> unique311: I'm looking at one now on ITT forums... 3 pages of how people miss evince...
Jan 12 08:04:44 <unique311> don't think it made it to os2008 yet
Jan 12 08:04:58 <unique311> same thread i just looked at
Jan 12 08:05:26 <pupnik_> where's the lunapaint source unique311
Jan 12 08:05:48 <Lynoure> The new build-in pdf reader is better than the old build-in, but it pausing to think so long between pages, and it being quite easy to accidentally switch pages when scrolling with the buttons makes it a bit pain for me, still
Jan 12 08:05:50 <unique311> http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/lunapaint/
Jan 12 08:05:50 <pupnik_> checked homepage and lunapaint.berlios.de
Jan 12 08:05:56 <unique311> no
Jan 12 08:06:26 <pupnik_> thanks
Jan 12 08:07:44 <pupnik_> MAKE: cBrush.h:49: error: extra qualification 'cBrush::' on member 'getCurrentColor'
Jan 12 08:07:56 <pupnik_> did you get that error on make, unique311 ?
Jan 12 08:08:12 <unique311> i think a couple of warnings.
Jan 12 08:08:17 <unique311> but no errors
Jan 12 08:08:23 <pupnik_> ok i'll look at it later
Jan 12 08:08:25 <pupnik_> gotta run - tytl
Jan 12 08:08:28 <unique311> k
Jan 12 08:08:34 <unique311> lates
Jan 12 08:38:58 <ds3> Hmmmm maybe the USB port does provide power of some level
Jan 12 08:39:49 <Tama-rro>  100 mA it seems
Jan 12 08:40:26 <ds3> if that is the case...
Jan 12 08:48:39 <ds3> that works! and the UI did the right thing. I am amazed
Jan 12 09:22:18 <b0unc3> good morning
Jan 12 09:26:45 <K-Fox> to watch high capacity of video(*.avi), n810 have to encode ?
Jan 12 09:31:41 <K-Fox> n810 must convert to see video?
Jan 12 09:34:24 <khertan> Hi
Jan 12 09:35:35 <K-Fox> HI
Jan 12 09:35:39 <K-Fox> n810 must convert to see video?
Jan 12 09:36:25 <unique311> yes and no
Jan 12 09:36:42 <unique311> some video play well, and others need convert
Jan 12 09:38:07 <K-Fox> others?
Jan 12 09:38:14 <K-Fox> divx..
Jan 12 09:38:15 <Cord> (ftr: my n810 just arrived.)
Jan 12 09:38:23 <K-Fox> wow
Jan 12 09:39:26 <Cord> (germany, standard, parcel service dropped it off in the neighborhood without notice)
Jan 12 09:43:33 <khertan> lol
Jan 12 09:44:06 <khertan> i see that postal service is poor everywhere in the world ... :)
Jan 12 09:44:35 <khertan> Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/chinook/free/g/gnome-python-extras/python2.5-gda-dev_2.19.3-2_all.deb  Size mismatch
Jan 12 09:49:47 <b0unc3> khertan: apt-get update may help
Jan 12 09:49:50 <khertan> maybe someone could help me ... i m trying to bypass the default python2.3 in the arm target in the sdk to use python2.5 ... i ve replaced the symlink /usr/bin/python ... it doen't seems to be enought
Jan 12 09:50:10 <khertan> b0unc3:only if repository don't fails ... :)
Jan 12 10:07:24 <khertan> maybe someone could help me ... i m trying to bypass the default python2.3 in the arm target in the sdk to use python2.5 ... i ve replaced the symlink /usr/bin/python ... it doen't seems to be enought
Jan 12 10:07:43 <khertan> i ve do it in the past ... but ... don t forget ... :(
Jan 12 10:07:57 <khertan> s/forget/remember
Jan 12 10:38:19 <melmoth> khertan: i know its dirty, but i hard code the path to pyhton2.5 in the beginning of the scripts.
Jan 12 10:49:33 <tank-man> do you have any advice for xorg.conf modifications needed for Xephyr?
Jan 12 10:50:20 <melmoth> i never had to change anything in xorg.conf to have Xephyr working.
Jan 12 10:54:19 <torotorito> hi! im trying to remove scratchbox so i can install from scratch but i get opperation not permitted, im trying to remove /scratchbox and not even with root i can do it, any ideas?
Jan 12 10:56:48 <torotorito> i get "rm: WARNING: Circular directory structure."
Jan 12 10:57:11 <Lahiru>  hi anyone installed KDE on OS2008 using debs?
Jan 12 10:57:36 <tank-man> ok, my distro has xorg server 1.3 built without Xephyr, so i recompiled xorg server 1.3 with .configure options to inclued Xephyr and installed to some other dir to not conflict with what came with my distro and made a sym link to Xephyr in my path somewhere ... when i try to run Xephyr, i get complants about fonts missing
Jan 12 10:57:46 <inz> torotorito, have you stopped scratchbox before trying to remove?
Jan 12 10:57:47 <djcb> torotorito: be careful there
Jan 12 10:58:22 <torotorito> yes i was not running it
Jan 12 10:58:46 <djcb> check mount -v
Jan 12 10:58:57 <tank-man> pretty interesting error message there torotorito, never heard that one before
Jan 12 10:59:13 <djcb> and make sure nothing sbox-related is still mounted
Jan 12 10:59:30 <torotorito> well i didnt run scratchbox since a long time ago
Jan 12 10:59:41 <djcb> it's quite easy to nuke the wrong thing when remove /scratchbox
Jan 12 10:59:51 <djcb> ie, something useful that is mounted there somewhere
Jan 12 10:59:59 <torotorito> oh
Jan 12 11:00:29 <torotorito> maybe i backup first then
Jan 12 11:01:23 <djcb> the reason you couldn't delete it, might be that some pseudo dir is mounted there somewhere
Jan 12 11:01:35 <djcb> like /proc or /dev
Jan 12 11:02:13 <djcb> and some ppl have /home/foo mounted there too, and you you might want to keep that
Jan 12 11:02:16 <torotorito> rm: cannot remove `sys//class/tty/ptyte/uevent': Operation not permitted
Jan 12 11:02:26 <djcb> indeed.
Jan 12 11:02:44 <djcb> first unmount /sys
Jan 12 11:02:48 <djcb> from sbox
Jan 12 11:02:51 <djcb> check mount -v
Jan 12 11:03:16 <torotorito> oh yes its mounted
Jan 12 11:04:46 <torotorito> thanks
Jan 12 11:09:15 <Luria> anyone own an eee?
Jan 12 11:11:00 <tank-man> get out of here traitor !
Jan 12 11:11:02 <tank-man> :)
Jan 12 11:12:36 <Lahiru> everything was gone well.. but I cnt install kdesup-3.5.8.deb :(
Jan 12 11:15:09 <Luria> who me?
Jan 12 11:15:19 <Luria> why cant i have both?
Jan 12 11:15:23 <Luria> and a cloudbook
Jan 12 11:15:48 <Luria> more hardware hacking fun on the eee too.
Jan 12 11:16:01 <Luria> i want to do that touchscreen mod
Jan 12 11:16:11 <Luria> (if i get one)
Jan 12 11:18:20 <tank-man> i was going to trade my nintendo wii for a eee pc but decided to give away the wii and buy the eeepc later
Jan 12 11:18:45 <Luria> that's not a good deal as you describe it.
Jan 12 11:19:03 <tank-man> really? lol
Jan 12 11:19:14 <Luria> i saw a black 4g (non surf) for $379 on local CL
Jan 12 11:19:20 <Luria> just emailed the dude
Jan 12 11:19:41 <Luria> i gotta say, id hit it.
Jan 12 11:20:10 <Luria> just wish there were decent gps nav wares for linux
Jan 12 11:22:15 <Luria> lol compiz on an eeepc
Jan 12 11:22:32 <Luria> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzzhEs9XGuE
Jan 12 11:22:54 <Luria> holy crap thats fast
Jan 12 11:23:38 <rm_you|n800> bbl
Jan 12 11:24:13 <Luria> rm_you: so, more of a mv than an rm, huh? :-)
Jan 12 11:25:07 <rm_you|n800> lol
Jan 12 11:25:13 <rm_you|n800> yes, heading home :P
Jan 12 11:25:51 <Luria> well, go mv .  ~
Jan 12 11:26:08 <Luria> (that was geeky, i will admit)
Jan 12 11:26:54 * rm_you|n800 leaves
Jan 12 11:41:47 <terraces> khertan: here ?
Jan 12 11:45:32 <gnuton> Hi!
Jan 12 11:49:31 <assasukasse> hello
Jan 12 11:49:48 <assasukasse> i have a question about the menu system and editor
Jan 12 11:50:16 <assasukasse> in particular, how do the menues work in maemo? are they regenerated each time debian style? or?
Jan 12 11:52:03 <alterego> Mmmm .. This is a damn fine omlette
Jan 12 11:53:45 <tank-man> assasukasse, what do you mean regenerated?
Jan 12 11:54:18 <tank-man> you can organise the menu if you want from control panel
Jan 12 11:54:46 <assasukasse> tank-man: actually i am interested in how they work...because we are trying to have your drag and drop menu in elive linux
Jan 12 11:55:05 <assasukasse> we are rewriting from scratch a menu editor
Jan 12 11:55:52 <tank-man> i think the menu editor is already drag and drop capable
Jan 12 12:07:19 <assasukasse> tank-man: in maemo yes, in linux no
Jan 12 12:12:08 <alterego> Wow, maemo leading the way ;)
Jan 12 12:19:48 <assasukasse> its a good idea
Jan 12 12:19:49 <assasukasse> so..
Jan 12 12:19:50 <assasukasse> why not
Jan 12 12:20:02 <alterego> :)
Jan 12 12:23:02 <assasukasse> anyone willing to answer my question? :D
Jan 12 12:23:06 <assasukasse> or is a secret
Jan 12 12:23:29 <alterego> That aspect is not OSS unfortunately.
Jan 12 12:23:50 <alterego> Oh, actually ..
Jan 12 12:24:05 <alterego> Let me just check something.
Jan 12 12:25:40 <alterego> I believe it uses files in /etc with the format 'XXNN-app.desktop'
Jan 12 12:25:56 <alterego> Where XX is the group/sub-menu and NN is the position in that group.
Jan 12 12:26:20 <alterego> And those files should really be symlinks to the applications .desktop file I believe
Jan 12 12:27:50 <melmoth> alterego: is it this you are looking for ?
Jan 12 12:27:51 <melmoth> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/how_to_write_new_application_in_maemo_4-0.html#AddAppToMenu
Jan 12 12:28:03 <alterego> No,
Jan 12 12:28:10 <alterego> I was just checking the filesystem on my tablet ..
Jan 12 12:28:19 <alterego> But that might help assasukasse
Jan 12 12:32:08 <b0unc3> guys, where are the wireless-tools for OS2008?
Jan 12 13:03:18 <giskard> http://paste.debian.net/46712
Jan 12 13:03:25 <giskard> why i get this when i do an apt-get update?
Jan 12 13:05:39 <|tbb|> how can i ssh login to the n8x0 as user is there a password set? should i set one?
Jan 12 13:12:19 <Abulafia> |tbb|, the user account is passwd -l 'ed
Jan 12 13:12:48 <Luria> also, not recommended to set one, as it can interfere with the gui package manager
Jan 12 13:13:35 <Luria> best option is to add another user account
Jan 12 13:14:48 <|tbb|> the syntax wont work for me
Jan 12 13:15:14 <Luria> ?
Jan 12 13:15:23 <|tbb|> passwd -l 'ed
Jan 12 13:15:30 <sp3000> use ssh keys
Jan 12 13:16:29 <kuriiri> ai nii
Jan 12 13:16:46 <|tbb|> sp3000: what does it means
Jan 12 13:16:49 <sp3000> giskard: there's a few bugs on people from some places getting 401'd
Jan 12 13:18:16 <sp3000> one apparently due to using a local proxy, some from italian isps
Jan 12 13:18:37 <sp3000> someone speculated about something possibly shunning something due to too much traffic shoved through one ip or something
Jan 12 13:19:01 <Luria> |tbb|, you mean you dont know what "passwd -l"  is? (just asking, i'd be happy to explain)
Jan 12 13:19:12 <sp3000> giskard: see bugs 798 1896 2319 2643
Jan 12 13:20:06 <|tbb|> N84U:~# passwd -l user
Jan 12 13:20:06 <|tbb|> Password changed.
Jan 12 13:20:32 <|tbb|> i dont wanted to change it i wanted to know it
Jan 12 13:20:34 <|tbb|> damn
Jan 12 13:20:38 <Luria> "passwd -l" removes the passwd
Jan 12 13:20:45 <Luria> there is no default passwd
Jan 12 13:21:06 <|tbb|> ah k
Jan 12 13:21:19 <Luria> technically, it sets the passwd hash to something that can't be entered with a keyboard
Jan 12 13:21:29 <sp3000> giskard: I don't see fastres.it in particular mentioned, you might want to file a bug with your details ...or in one of the above if one seems a good match
Jan 12 13:21:36 <Luria> or rather computed by keyboard input
Jan 12 13:21:38 <sp3000> er, s/it/net/
Jan 12 13:22:25 <|tbb|> adduser doesnt seem to be there
Jan 12 13:22:28 <Luria> to securely ssh, either use ssh keys or add another user
Jan 12 13:22:34 <Luria> i saw one a while back
Jan 12 13:22:45 <sp3000> |tbb|: "ssh keys" means the same as "passwd -l", i.e. "google it"
Jan 12 13:23:03 <Luria> ssh keys does not necessarily mean the same thing
Jan 12 13:23:19 <sp3000> to the extent of "google it before trying" it does :)
Jan 12 13:23:28 <sp3000> in other senses , indeed not
Jan 12 13:23:31 <Luria> you can have an account which supports local interactive passwords but only ssh key login
Jan 12 13:23:45 <Luria> which is the more common use
Jan 12 13:24:59 <|tbb|> is it possible to login as root and then change to user
Jan 12 13:25:14 <fsmw> somebody here is related to n810 discount program? i've some questions about it :-/
Jan 12 13:25:15 <sp3000> sure, iirc su - user
Jan 12 13:25:16 <alterego> su
Jan 12 13:25:32 <alterego> Anyone use ssh-agent on their tablet?
Jan 12 13:25:55 <|tbb|> sp3000 thx
Jan 12 13:25:57 <alterego> That's interesting, it just started working O_O
Jan 12 13:27:28 <[AD]Turbo> hi all
Jan 12 13:28:30 <sp3000> alterego: that's the point of asking on irc (or irl for that matter), things magically start working
Jan 12 13:28:40 <sp3000> just to spite you
Jan 12 13:28:41 <alterego> :)
Jan 12 13:28:43 <alterego> Hah
Jan 12 13:28:47 <alterego> Yeah
Jan 12 13:29:49 <assasukasse> thanks alterego
Jan 12 13:29:52 <alterego> np
Jan 12 13:30:37 <alterego> Ah, no. Still doesn't work.
Jan 12 13:30:46 <alterego> Could not open a connection to your authentication agent.
Jan 12 13:31:29 <alterego> Ah, so I have to add it to an init script.
Jan 12 13:33:54 <rm_you> wheee
Jan 12 13:34:04 <rm_you> |tbb|: brightness app works on default kernel now
Jan 12 13:34:35 <|tbb|> wow also replace the old one?
Jan 12 13:34:47 <rm_you> well
Jan 12 13:34:49 <|tbb|> mean the default one
Jan 12 13:34:53 <rm_you> you add mine, and disable the default one
Jan 12 13:34:57 <rm_you> >_>
Jan 12 13:35:08 <rm_you> it's not *finished* yet because it still looks crappy, IMO
Jan 12 13:35:14 <rm_you> whole window, instead of a nice little popdown
Jan 12 13:35:33 <|tbb|>  >_> <- what does this means
Jan 12 13:37:03 <giskard> sp3000, argh! thank you.
Jan 12 13:37:03 <rm_you> it's like... shifty eyes :)
Jan 12 13:37:07 <rm_you> >_> <_< >_>
Jan 12 13:37:50 <rm_you> i use it as an emote, similar to the emotion represented by ":/"
Jan 12 13:38:37 <tyrionlannister> For some reason, I thought the channel would be smaller
Jan 12 13:38:55 <Luria> #maemo rules freenet.
Jan 12 13:39:08 <Luria> (^_^)
Jan 12 13:41:00 <alterego> Did you think it would be smaller because you're using a tablet?
Jan 12 13:41:07 <alterego> Hello Luria :)
Jan 12 13:41:16 <Luria> yo
Jan 12 13:41:24 <tyrionlannister> haha, must be
Jan 12 13:41:41 <jpt9> hey.
Jan 12 13:41:44 <Luria> actually, considering there are 290 here and only 59 in #eeepc...
Jan 12 13:41:51 <Luria> it is pretty impressive.
Jan 12 13:41:53 <jpt9> has anyone ported the terminal/console version of Nethack to maemo?
Jan 12 13:42:03 <jpt9> I know there's a graphical version, but I find it quite annoying to play.
Jan 12 13:42:14 <Luria> the graphical one has ascii sets
Jan 12 13:42:20 <Luria> i know, its not obvious
Jan 12 13:42:24 <jpt9> i know
Jan 12 13:42:34 <jpt9> i like the keyboard commands.
Jan 12 13:42:46 <jpt9> it's annoying having to use random icons and dig through menus for stuff.
Jan 12 13:42:59 <Luria> ah... most keyboard commands work
Jan 12 13:43:07 <Luria> but i do know what you mean
Jan 12 13:43:18 <jpt9> except I have a 770.
Jan 12 13:43:19 <Luria> the extended stuff is not so great
Jan 12 13:43:25 <jpt9> with no physical keyboard.
Jan 12 13:43:34 <Luria> and i have a n800 :-)
Jan 12 13:43:35 <magicrobotmonkey> does anyone else have problems with the browser hanging in os2008 when using about:config
Jan 12 13:43:57 <Luria> seriously, i play slowly or i pull out a bt keyboard.
Jan 12 13:44:08 <Luria> that said
Jan 12 13:45:11 <Luria> maybe i can compile it later
Jan 12 13:45:15 <jpt9> thanks.
Jan 12 13:45:34 * scibot rocks out.
Jan 12 13:45:36 <Luria> magicrobotmonkey, about:config is known to be real slow for some on os2008
Jan 12 13:45:54 <magicrobotmonkey> so there's nothing i can do about it?
Jan 12 13:45:56 <Luria> i didnt have a problem, but ive heard times exceeding 5min to load
Jan 12 13:46:17 <Luria> i would search ITT and see what others have reported
Jan 12 13:46:20 <magicrobotmonkey> yea thats basically what im seeing
Jan 12 13:46:22 <pc_speaker> about:config works fast
Jan 12 13:46:32 <pc_speaker> Just set 100% font size
Jan 12 13:46:44 <pc_speaker> And not auto-size for webpages
Jan 12 13:46:52 <pc_speaker> And closo all other browser windows
Jan 12 13:47:07 <Luria> ah, i forgot, i never touch those (though i have had other browser windows open)
Jan 12 13:47:28 <magicrobotmonkey> yea the only way i can get it to open is with no other browser windows open
Jan 12 13:47:28 <scibot> Two more days to go.
Jan 12 13:47:38 <jpt9> Luria: in case it matters, I'm running OS2007HE on my 770.
Jan 12 13:47:52 <Luria> ah
Jan 12 13:47:56 <Luria> then i cant help
Jan 12 13:48:07 <Luria> well, im not sure i can
Jan 12 13:48:19 <Luria> i only have 4.0 installed
Jan 12 13:48:30 <Luria> on my scratchbox box
Jan 12 13:48:47 <Luria> it probably will work tho, as its just ncurses
Jan 12 13:48:58 <alterego> Well, hopefully this bootscript will add ssh-agent under user and get it to work properly :)
Jan 12 13:49:46 <rm_you> So, I'm having a problem with my statusbar applet that is very difficult to diagnose...
Jan 12 13:50:12 <rm_you> The first time or two (possibly three, not sure) it is enabled, the UI crashes
Jan 12 13:50:16 <rm_you> after that it works fine
Jan 12 13:50:57 <rm_you> Code: http://cs.trinity.edu/~acm/debs/advanced-backlight-0.4b-src.tar.gz for reference, if anyone wants to put forth a guess or two as to why :P
Jan 12 13:51:00 <alterego> Nope :/
Jan 12 13:51:11 <fugitivo> any idea if a version of 2008 HE for the 770 will be released soon? I don't know when the discount code will work for USA and I need to test some apps I'm developing
Jan 12 13:51:37 <alterego> fugitivo, you can use the SDK, or maybe supply debs and get someone else to test them.
Jan 12 13:51:48 <bedboi> hi there
Jan 12 13:51:57 <rm_you> fugitivo: yeah, i am generally willing to test when i'm around :) though I realize it isn't the same :?
Jan 12 13:51:59 <rm_you> :/
Jan 12 13:51:59 <fugitivo> alterego: yes, i'm using the SDK but I need to test it on a real device
Jan 12 13:53:07 <alterego> fugitivo, get someone else to test it, or be patient.
Jan 12 13:53:37 <rm_you> gah FSCKing hell
Jan 12 13:53:46 <alterego> Heh
Jan 12 13:53:54 <|tbb|> anyone knows whats the grep -m option in osso-xterm? it doesnt work on osso-xterm
Jan 12 13:53:54 <rm_you> so, i was using a bluetooth keyboard on my n800 in os2008...
Jan 12 13:54:02 <rm_you> so it disabled all the virtual keyboard stuff
Jan 12 13:54:06 <fugitivo> alterego: MORE patient :)
Jan 12 13:54:12 <rm_you> and when i disconnected it, it never RE-ENABLED the vkeyboard
Jan 12 13:54:24 <rm_you> and i *locked* the device's keys/screen, right?
Jan 12 13:54:25 <alterego> No, just patient.
Jan 12 13:54:46 <rm_you> but apparently it entirely disabled the middle dpad button... so i can't unlock it
Jan 12 13:55:16 <rm_you> anyone know what key that is? maybe i can reconnect the bt keyboard and use the bt keyboard to hit it
Jan 12 13:55:40 <hugolp> how can I acces the memory cards from the N800 X-term?
Jan 12 13:55:55 <hugolp> what directory are they?
Jan 12 13:55:57 <rm_you> ah sweet, it's enter
Jan 12 13:56:03 <alterego> hugolp, ls /media/mmcX where X = 1 for external and X = 2 for internal.
Jan 12 13:56:15 <|tbb|> i need something like that ps aux | grep -m 1 osso which just only returns 1 and first result
Jan 12 13:56:28 <hugolp> alterego:  thanks
Jan 12 13:57:10 <scibot> Woah
Jan 12 14:03:16 <alterego> Hmm, looks like I need to figure out how hildon logs you in.
Jan 12 14:03:59 <Luria> you know. the mmc1/2 thing throws me
Jan 12 14:04:06 <alterego> Luria, why?
Jan 12 14:04:12 <Luria> i always expect 1 to be internal
Jan 12 14:04:17 <alterego> Yeah, me too.
Jan 12 14:04:27 <alterego> I suppose I've gotten used to it now.
Jan 12 14:04:41 <|tbb|> anyone got an idea how to do this, in osso-xterm
Jan 12 14:04:53 <Luria> see, thats a admin/dev thought.
Jan 12 14:05:10 <Luria> but they must have thought write/read from the external would be more common
Jan 12 14:05:29 <alterego> Who knows what they were thinking :P
Jan 12 14:05:40 <Luria> but i doubt many simple users will even know about that idiom, so im not sure wtf they were thinking
Jan 12 14:05:41 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 12 14:05:51 <Luria> kree and all
Jan 12 14:05:53 <alterego> Hey Jaffa
Jan 12 14:05:58 <Jaffa> Luria: :)
Jan 12 14:06:10 <Luria> sorry, dhd is gone. no going home from here.
Jan 12 14:06:16 <alterego> Tek is hello I think.
Jan 12 14:06:21 <alterego> In Jaffa :P
Jan 12 14:06:30 <Luria> christ, this turned into a convention
Jan 12 14:06:36 <Jaffa> SG1 geeks the lot of you. My nick predated it by many years ;-)
Jan 12 14:07:36 <rm_you> lol
Jan 12 14:07:51 * rm_you just watched the new episode of Atlantis a few hours ago
Jan 12 14:07:59 <Jaffa> Oh, it's back?
Jan 12 14:08:06 <Luria> yeah, two weeks now
Jan 12 14:08:12 <Jaffa> Cor, excellent.
Jan 12 14:08:18 * Jaffa fires up Azureus ;)
Jan 12 14:08:26 <rm_you> :P
Jan 12 14:08:27 <Luria> screw that, i want bsg back
Jan 12 14:08:32 <rm_you> pft
Jan 12 14:08:37 <rm_you> BSG was overrated IMO
Jan 12 14:08:43 <Jaffa> Razor was good.
Jan 12 14:08:54 * rm_you managed to both start and end that line with a TLA
Jan 12 14:08:58 <Jaffa> What's happened to the two SG1 direct-to-DVD movies?
Jan 12 14:09:00 <Luria> everything rdm touches is gold
Jan 12 14:09:06 <fugitivo> |tbb|: that version of grep doesn't have the -m option, so you should find another way to do it
Jan 12 14:09:09 <Luria> one leaked
Jan 12 14:09:13 <rm_you> Jaffa: Ark of Truth got leaked
Jan 12 14:09:15 <rm_you> unfinished
Jan 12 14:09:19 <Jaffa> sfx?
Jan 12 14:09:21 <rm_you> but it comes out officially in... March?
Jan 12 14:09:24 <rm_you> yeah
Jan 12 14:09:25 <Luria> not unfinished
Jan 12 14:09:28 <alterego> Jaffa, they come out in a few months.
Jan 12 14:09:34 <alterego> Luria, did you watch it?
Jan 12 14:09:34 <Jaffa> Ah cool
Jan 12 14:09:35 <Luria> ok, the end credits werent done
Jan 12 14:09:36 <rm_you> unfinished special effects and sound in some scenes
Jan 12 14:09:42 <alterego> And some of the SFX
Jan 12 14:09:44 * Jaffa 'll wait.
Jan 12 14:09:54 <Luria> it was like 99%
Jan 12 14:10:01 <alterego> Yeah, I enjoyed it.
Jan 12 14:10:05 <Luria> not like the atlantis preproduction leak
Jan 12 14:10:08 <Jaffa> Hmm. Tempting.
Jan 12 14:10:10 <rm_you> lol yeah
Jan 12 14:10:10 <alterego> Heh
Jan 12 14:10:11 <Luria> that was funny
Jan 12 14:10:11 <rm_you> i watched that
Jan 12 14:10:16 <Luria> "boom"
Jan 12 14:10:21 <alterego> Hahah
Jan 12 14:10:23 <rm_you> it was horribly disconcerting to have them touching things and not have beeps come out
Jan 12 14:10:24 <Luria> (insert sfx here)
Jan 12 14:10:28 * petergunn waves hi to maemo peeps
Jan 12 14:10:52 <rm_you> and no music / background humm from stuff >_> just dead silence
Jan 12 14:10:54 <alterego> Okay, does anyone know where I should stick 'ssh-agent' to make it available in all my terminal sessions without having to start it around another instance of the shell?
Jan 12 14:11:20 <Luria> that was odd, but i still liked the cues for the space battle from the sound techs
Jan 12 14:11:43 <Luria> bashrc?
Jan 12 14:12:00 <alterego> If I do that, it'll lose all keys.
Jan 12 14:12:19 <alterego> I want something that will be there when I open a new terminal. So I don't have to keep retyping my passphrases.
Jan 12 14:12:27 <Luria> ah
Jan 12 14:13:45 <alterego> Hmmm ..
Jan 12 14:14:06 <|tbb|> fugitivo: hmh, a workaround for a workaround for a workaround ;)
Jan 12 14:14:20 <fugitivo> |tbb|: why you need to do that?
Jan 12 14:14:27 <Luria> cant you stick it in a if/fi to check with ps if it's already running?
Jan 12 14:14:35 <fugitivo> |tbb|: maybe you can find a way to not use that :)
Jan 12 14:14:44 <|tbb|> maybe
Jan 12 14:15:13 <fugitivo> you need to check the pid of a process or if a program is running?
Jan 12 14:15:28 <|tbb|> no this was just example
Jan 12 14:15:48 <|tbb|> was looking for the -m option
Jan 12 14:16:08 <Luria> what's the m option?
Jan 12 14:16:40 <|tbb|> stop grepping after one result
Jan 12 14:16:48 <Luria> ah
Jan 12 14:16:49 <petergunn> hmmm... no pidof command?
Jan 12 14:18:08 <Luria> ps |grep |head -1?
Jan 12 14:18:32 <Luria> or -2, i guess from the output
Jan 12 14:19:36 <K-Fox> there is a good info here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLTxO7SAkwc
Jan 12 14:19:44 <|tbb|> Luria: thx, i think that work
Jan 12 14:19:47 <K-Fox> How to turn your WM6 phone into a WiFi router
Jan 12 14:19:54 <bedboi> anyone has any news/info about the GPS module? It seems that it always do a "first fix" procedure
Jan 12 14:20:07 <Luria> np, i like pretending i know how to use linux.
Jan 12 14:21:41 <petergunn> for pid in `pidof ssh-agent`; do ls -al /proc/$x/exe; done
Jan 12 14:22:38 <alterego> petergunn, you've got ssh-agent to work?
Jan 12 14:22:56 <petergunn>  nope havent tried, but its easy to check if its running
Jan 12 14:23:14 <alterego> I know it's running, it's just not connecting.
Jan 12 14:23:29 <petergunn> key probs?
Jan 12 14:23:43 <|tbb|> rm_you: what about combinate your backlight tool with the keyboard backlight?
Jan 12 14:23:48 <alterego> No
Jan 12 14:23:57 <alterego> I've already explained here what the problem is ..
Jan 12 14:25:52 <rm_you> |tbb|: what?
Jan 12 14:26:35 <|tbb|> the lower brightness you set the  lower  the keyboard backlight should go
Jan 12 14:26:38 <petergunn> alterego: http://books.google.com/books?id=BxlhB-yc86cC&pg=PA144&lpg=PA144&dq=%22ssh+agent%22+new+terminals&source=web&ots=ABotlV3IgE&sig=MC_dC2Kg2OOszPvmvk_c2QAb8_E#PPA144,M1
Jan 12 14:26:49 <rm_you> |tbb|: lol, THAT I have *NO* idea
Jan 12 14:26:59 <rm_you> |tbb|: I have an n800 too, so I can't really test
Jan 12 14:27:08 <|tbb|> ah k
Jan 12 14:27:09 <rm_you> is that even possible? does the current backlight thing do it?
Jan 12 14:27:17 <|tbb|> it should
Jan 12 14:27:21 <rm_you> or might it just be an on/off thing?
Jan 12 14:28:21 <Luria> so, when is too early to call on saturday about a CL eeepc ad?
Jan 12 14:30:05 <alterego> petergunn, that's great thanks.
Jan 12 14:30:19 <alterego> I was just thinking about doing something similar myself :)
Jan 12 14:30:21 * petergunn :)
Jan 12 14:31:00 <alterego> I'm just trying to work out what the startup file for ash is though ;)
Jan 12 14:32:19 <petergunn> I think it sources /etc/profile then $HOME/.profile
Jan 12 14:33:00 <alterego> That's just for login shells.
Jan 12 14:33:09 <alterego> I think it might be .ashrc
Jan 12 14:33:43 <alterego> Okay, maybe it isn't.
Jan 12 14:33:45 * alterego checks.
Jan 12 14:34:17 <alterego> petergunn, yah, it does source .profile.
Jan 12 14:34:39 <Luria> oh thats just handy code
Jan 12 14:35:22 <alterego> It is, I imagine you can use that paradigm for a few things.
Jan 12 14:35:28 <|tbb|> rm_you: ive seen it on channel days ago but doesnt found it anymore
Jan 12 14:35:57 <Luria> i might use something similar for openvpn
Jan 12 14:36:11 <alterego> That's a good idea.
Jan 12 14:36:22 <Luria> actually, i should stop being lazy and just do that frontend ive been meaning to do
Jan 12 14:36:24 <rm_you> |tbb|: if you find reference of how to do it, i could try
Jan 12 14:36:29 <alterego> :)
Jan 12 14:37:08 <|tbb|> will a applet while its not active on the topbar, consumes memory anyway? like if i replace built in brightness control with rm_you`s one
Jan 12 14:37:11 <rm_you> unfortunately, I need to pack up this computer tomorrow (today now, lol... within like 12 hours, at least) and ship it off... but fortunately my build-box is remote anyway, so I can still do devwork on my lame-ass debian machine sitting around here
Jan 12 14:37:24 <rm_you> |tbb|: i don't believe so
Jan 12 14:37:54 <rm_you> |tbb|: also, if you EVER see a UI crash that you think might be related to my applet, please post about it in that thread
Jan 12 14:38:10 <rm_you> I haven't really seen any, but since it causes weird issues on set up sometimes...
Jan 12 14:38:13 <rm_you> i am on the lookout
Jan 12 14:42:31 <alterego> Cool,
Jan 12 14:42:38 <alterego> Not I've got funky ssh-agent :)
Jan 12 14:43:08 <Luria> i dunno,  i dont like ssh keys
Jan 12 14:43:27 <jeddy3> Luria, um, why?
Jan 12 14:44:12 <Luria> i dont like copying/carrying keys around, i like the ability to use a trusted, but previously untouched machine
Jan 12 14:44:16 <alterego> I have too many passwords to remember then all. Considering they're all 12 character random strings of upper and lower case alphanumeric characters :/
Jan 12 14:44:32 <Luria> and if it is a know roving machine (like a n800) id sooner use openvpn
Jan 12 14:44:35 <Luria> or the like
Jan 12 14:44:56 <Luria> which i do use revokable keys for
Jan 12 14:45:11 <Luria> alterego, fair enough
Jan 12 14:45:28 <Luria> i didnt say it was pointless; i understand the need
Jan 12 14:46:16 <Luria> but what do you do if you are at a buddies place and you *need* to kill some process?
Jan 12 14:46:42 <alterego> I look up the password on my N810
Jan 12 14:46:44 <jeddy3> Luria, ok ok, valid points :)
Jan 12 14:47:06 <alterego> Or I use my cellphone :P
Jan 12 14:47:19 <Luria> you have ssh on your cell phone?
Jan 12 14:47:25 <Lahiru> Hi
Jan 12 14:47:31 <alterego> No, my cell phone is a modem for my tablet.
Jan 12 14:47:34 <rm_you> I wish I had ssh on my cell phone :P
Jan 12 14:47:35 * jeddy3 also uses ssh on cell phone sometimes :
Jan 12 14:47:41 <rm_you> Blackberrys have SSH :P
Jan 12 14:47:58 <alterego> ssh on mobiles is rubbish :P
Jan 12 14:48:01 <jeddy3> Nokia S60s have putty also
Jan 12 14:48:09 <alterego> ssh on tablets is okay. Especially with HW keyboard.
Jan 12 14:48:10 <Lahiru> Do anyone knows the root password for KDE 3.5.8 ?
Jan 12 14:48:10 <Luria> blackberrys can suck my nuts
Jan 12 14:48:21 <Luria> they remind me or palm circa 1998
Jan 12 14:48:26 <Luria> s/or/of
Jan 12 14:48:31 <jeddy3> alterego, what about cellphone with HW qwerty?
Jan 12 14:48:38 <alterego> Yeah, I don't like the blackberries either ..
Jan 12 14:48:45 <alterego> jeddy3, the screen is just too small for my liking.
Jan 12 14:48:50 <alterego> Not enough characters ..
Jan 12 14:49:10 <jeddy3> alterego, yes of course, but for those moments you really need it :)
Jan 12 14:49:13 <Jaffa> Lahiru: KDE doesn't have a root password, it's a desktop environment - not an OS.
Jan 12 14:49:23 <alterego> jeddy3, then I'll use my N810 :P
Jan 12 14:49:34 <alterego> That's why my phone is crap. It's just a cheap 3G modem :P
Jan 12 14:49:58 <jeddy3> alterego, fair enough, haven't used putty on my E61 since i got my n800 :)
Jan 12 14:50:13 <alterego> ;)
Jan 12 14:50:28 <Luria> in fact i just decided not to go work for a guy because he wanted me to do his IT infrastructure (for the start up phase) and then bought a blackberry despite my warnings
Jan 12 14:50:34 <Lahiru> Jaffa: ah sorry.. then can I find root password for my N800?
Jan 12 14:50:38 <Luria> (not the only reason, but it was a bad sign)
Jan 12 14:50:48 <Jaffa> Lahiru: what OS?
Jan 12 14:50:55 <Lahiru> OS2008
Jan 12 14:50:58 <jeddy3> alterego, and true...the absolute first thing my e61 serves as is 3g modem :)
Jan 12 14:51:05 <Luria> mostly cause "its what all the hedge fund people have and i want to be compatible"
Jan 12 14:51:21 <petergunn> Im thinking of booting from MMC to run KDE - I see Millhouse's booting guide but do I want a 1.5/.5Gb partitions or just one big 2Gb partition for KDE?
Jan 12 14:51:32 <Lahiru> Jaffa: OS2008
Jan 12 14:51:41 * alterego doesn't support CrapDE
Jan 12 14:51:44 <alterego> Krap
Jan 12 14:52:05 <alterego> The only Mini SD card I have is the 128M one that came with my N800.
Jan 12 14:52:17 <alterego> I'm using that to store all my keys and password list text file.
Jan 12 14:52:31 <alterego> Gonna encrypt the filesystem on it now.
Jan 12 14:53:03 <Lahiru> I installed KDE on N800 OS2008 using debs, and working really well.
Jan 12 14:53:24 <petergunn> how slow? would it be better booting from MMC?
Jan 12 14:53:36 <|tbb|> anyone running a iodine
Jan 12 14:54:00 <Luria> hey i forgot about iodine
Jan 12 14:54:18 <Luria> i meant to do that when i was tweaking white russian
Jan 12 14:55:38 <Lahiru> can I find root password on OS2008?
Jan 12 14:56:28 <Luria> Lahiru, there is no default password for os2008
Jan 12 14:56:31 <Luria> user or root
Jan 12 14:57:48 <Lahiru> Luria: Thanks I'll try
Jan 12 14:58:31 <Luria> Lahiru, what are you trying to do?
Jan 12 14:59:22 <Lahiru> Luria: I want to change some settings using KDE
Jan 12 14:59:26 <jeddy3> no default password means that you can't login, right?
Jan 12 14:59:28 <Lahiru> it's asking root password
Jan 12 14:59:34 <Luria> oh
Jan 12 14:59:44 <alterego> Heh
Jan 12 14:59:51 <Luria> thats not good
Jan 12 14:59:52 <Lahiru> password for 'user' is 'user'
Jan 12 15:00:05 <Lahiru> 'root' ?
Jan 12 15:00:06 <Luria> oh then the defaults dont apply
Jan 12 15:00:56 <Luria> personally, i would boot into maemo and zero the password hash:-)
Jan 12 15:01:10 <Luria> i havent played with kde on the IT
Jan 12 15:01:49 <Lahiru> can we change the password on maemo?
Jan 12 15:01:51 <Luria> but then again, i like playing with hammers when a google search would do, i suppose
Jan 12 15:02:42 <Lahiru> Luria: can I change my root password on maemo shell?
Jan 12 15:02:55 <Luria> install openssh is the easiest way
Jan 12 15:03:17 <rm_you> Lahiru: just curious, could you not install becomeroot package like you probably did on your non-kde setup?
Jan 12 15:04:00 <Lahiru> rm_you: they all were their
Jan 12 15:04:19 <Lahiru> rm_you: when I typed gainroot it worked
Jan 12 15:04:27 <Luria> rm_you, if he's dual booting whatever goes on in maemo shouldnt affect kde, no?
Jan 12 15:04:58 <Lahiru> I'm not dual booting.. installed from .debs
Jan 12 15:05:07 <Luria> oh
Jan 12 15:05:11 <rm_you> oh
Jan 12 15:05:12 <rm_you> lol
Jan 12 15:05:24 <Luria> i have no idea then, go with god.
Jan 12 15:05:42 <rm_you> Lahiru: then type sudo gainroot, and then set the password yourself
Jan 12 15:05:49 <rm_you> passwd?
Jan 12 15:05:56 <rm_you> ACK!
Jan 12 15:05:58 <Lahiru> rm_you: just now did it
Jan 12 15:06:05 <rm_you> it's 7am... i have to go to sleep! >_<
Jan 12 15:06:07 <Lahiru> rm_you: cool :) THANKS
Jan 12 15:06:14 <Lahiru> rm_you: Bye
Jan 12 15:06:29 <rm_you> bbl :)
Jan 12 15:06:31 <zoran> Lahiru, what pass did you actualy change: root of user?
Jan 12 15:06:57 <Lahiru> root
Jan 12 15:07:05 <Lahiru> zoran: root
Jan 12 15:07:08 <zoran> u could confirm that using ssh
Jan 12 15:07:31 <Lahiru> I confirmed tht using KDE :)
Jan 12 15:07:38 <zoran> heh
Jan 12 15:10:47 <|tbb|> rm_you: gnite
Jan 12 15:10:54 * petergunn is downloading KDE debs
Jan 12 15:13:57 <Lahiru> petergunn: I reflashed my device three times while trying install KDE debs
Jan 12 15:15:07 <petergunn> any reason or did the install just hang?
Jan 12 15:15:44 * petergunn has to lock his n800 in the refridgerator after each flash to pair his cell phone
Jan 12 15:17:15 <Lahiru> I got breaked the last package.. it didn't get installed several times.. and when it's broke I couldn't boot my device..
Jan 12 15:18:12 <petergunn> anyone got md5sums for the debs?
Jan 12 15:19:05 <Lahiru> petergunn: letme check
Jan 12 15:28:45 <khertan> Hi again
Jan 12 15:35:16 * Jaffa rants - again - on bug #303 still not being fixed.
Jan 12 15:37:20 * dhd|gone is ircing from his new N810
Jan 12 15:39:21 <terraces> khertan:  ?
Jan 12 15:39:54 <hugolp> anyone can tell me wat file do I have to edit for user user to become a sudoer?
Jan 12 15:39:58 <terraces> can I message you khertan (about n810 french discount codes) ?
Jan 12 15:40:05 <hugolp> I allredy have changed the user and root passwords
Jan 12 15:41:26 <alterego> Hmmm, this was probably a bad idea. I've not setup a maemo SDK yet ^_^
Jan 12 15:43:07 <melmoth> hugolp: as root type visudo
Jan 12 15:44:47 <khertan> terraces: yes i m here
Jan 12 15:45:12 <khertan> and of course u can :)
Jan 12 15:45:23 <K-Fox> is it possible to use palm os's appl on n810
Jan 12 15:46:07 <khertan> K-Fox: it s possible with the emulator provided by access
Jan 12 15:46:24 <K-Fox> wow~~
Jan 12 15:47:22 <hugolp> melmoth:  and what do I have to change in that file?
Jan 12 15:47:52 <khertan> K-Fox: but it s an emulator ... not all program will run...
Jan 12 15:48:30 <khertan> specially those who use library created by Palm and not integreted in the system ... treoweather for example
Jan 12 15:49:02 <K-Fox> umm..
Jan 12 15:50:19 <khertan> but most of palm program will run
Jan 12 15:51:12 <K-Fox> ok
Jan 12 15:52:02 <khertan> someone have try to compile python-hildondesktop ?
Jan 12 15:52:55 <khertan> ./configure --prefix=/opt/hildon
Jan 12 15:52:57 <khertan> oups ww
Jan 12 15:53:59 <K-Fox> porting to maemo
Jan 12 15:56:18 <melmoth> hugolp: try adding "user ALL=(ALL) ALL"
Jan 12 15:56:57 <melmoth> then user could launch any command as root with "sudo command" (he will still be prompted for the user password though)
Jan 12 15:57:27 <melmoth> i think you can append a NOPASSWORD or NOPASS (man sudoers, the worst man page ever :-) for more info)
Jan 12 15:58:30 <K-Fox> is it possible porting most of x86 application to maemo?
Jan 12 15:58:46 <lcuk> fox - which os is the original wrote in
Jan 12 15:58:52 <lcuk> ^for
Jan 12 16:00:56 <K-Fox> ubuntu  suse gentoo debian redhat
Jan 12 16:00:58 <keesj> khertan: perhaps this is also fun/usefull http://pluthon.garage.maemo.org/
Jan 12 16:01:58 <keesj> K-Fox: yes, and usualy it is really only a recompile
Jan 12 16:02:32 <K-Fox> really?
Jan 12 16:02:34 <keesj> K-Fox: but porting apps that have a UI is a different story
Jan 12 16:03:01 <keesj> K-Fox: yes, what are you thinking about?
Jan 12 16:04:10 <khertan> keesj: hum ... maybe ... but i'm trying to finish the hildondesktop binding for maemo
Jan 12 16:04:13 <lcuk> Fox - yes apps can be ported, but some dont work well in the environment because of being designed for desktop rather than tablet
Jan 12 16:04:27 <khertan> as noone seems interested in it
Jan 12 16:05:03 <khertan> the purpose is to be able to create hildon home screenlet in python
Jan 12 16:05:10 <khertan> instead of c
Jan 12 16:06:45 <keesj> khertan: for on maemo or on the desktop?
Jan 12 16:07:27 <khertan> for on maemo ... on the tablet
Jan 12 16:07:42 <khertan> at this time ... python widget can't be used
Jan 12 16:07:47 <khertan> on os2008
Jan 12 16:08:04 <keesj> you want to do something like http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hÂildon-desktop/
Jan 12 16:08:08 <khertan> there is a project made by luca
Jan 12 16:08:14 <khertan> but is a bit abandonned
Jan 12 16:08:20 <K-Fox> wow n810 is unlimited than PDA
Jan 12 16:08:37 <khertan> and i m trying to build it ... with a simple modification
Jan 12 16:08:42 <lcuk> fox - its linux - the penguin has super powers
Jan 12 16:08:54 <khertan> but at this time ... i'm trying to build it without
Jan 12 16:09:37 <hugolp> melmoth:  thanks, that worked
Jan 12 16:09:44 <keesj> khertan: When I saw that post I did not understand how that was supposed to work. will a python interpreter be initialize for every widget?
Jan 12 16:09:49 <hugolp> melmoth:  have another problem, dont know if you can help me too
Jan 12 16:10:08 <khertan> keesj: there is a launcher in c
Jan 12 16:10:14 <hugolp> Im trying to run "./configure" as root but I get a sh: ./configure: Permission denied
Jan 12 16:10:27 <hugolp> I dont see how I can be denied as root
Jan 12 16:10:34 <khertan> and a interpreter is run only when widget is refreshed
Jan 12 16:10:45 <khertan> hugolp: configure isn't suffisant ... :)
Jan 12 16:10:56 <hugolp> whats suffisant?
Jan 12 16:10:58 <khertan> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b
Jan 12 16:11:21 <khertan> it should build the package ... but as scratchbox use python2.3  .... its fails ...
Jan 12 16:11:41 <melmoth> hugolp: sounds like you are doing this on a partition where you cannot execute stuff...
Jan 12 16:11:44 <hugolp> khertan:  you are saying that I have to do dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b instead of ./configure?
Jan 12 16:11:57 <melmoth> you are not trying to compile stuff on your tablet's memory card, are you ?
Jan 12 16:12:02 <hugolp> yep
Jan 12 16:12:07 <khertan> now but i don't want to paste all line :)
Jan 12 16:12:24 <melmoth> hugolp: its vfat, not executable if i recall correctly
Jan 12 16:12:25 <khertan> before do an autogen
Jan 12 16:12:27 <hugolp> melmoth:  ok, Ill compile in the internal memory
Jan 12 16:12:38 <melmoth> i would use scratchbox if i were you.
Jan 12 16:13:34 <khertan> the problem is that when i try to compile with python2.5 using scratchbox i get sem_post: Function not implemented
Jan 12 16:13:44 <khertan> so i'm trying to correct this
Jan 12 16:13:52 <melmoth> what are you trying to compile ?
Jan 12 16:14:07 <hugolp> melmoth:  gnet
Jan 12 16:14:23 <tyrionlannister> Python is a scripting language..
Jan 12 16:14:30 <khertan> https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/python-hildondesktop
Jan 12 16:14:37 <khertan> tyrionlannister: serious ?
Jan 12 16:14:42 <hugolp> Ive compiled some things in scratchbox but I wanted to check how to do it in the N800 directly
Jan 12 16:14:46 <melmoth> hugolp: see http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/
Jan 12 16:14:51 <tyrionlannister> youam: shouldn't really need to compile anything, unless you're using python with a second language
Jan 12 16:15:03 <melmoth> see comment from the 16th of november : Installing qemu-arm-eabi patch into Scratchbox
Jan 12 16:15:18 <khertan> it s python binding for hildondesktop lib
Jan 12 16:15:18 <hugolp> melmoth:  I think I read that is better to compile it directly in the N800 than to do it by emulating it with qemu
Jan 12 16:15:32 <khertan> thx melmoth it s why i m searching fo
Jan 12 16:15:33 <khertan> for
Jan 12 16:17:11 <khertan> arg ... stupid french ubuntu repository ... down again
Jan 12 16:17:57 <Luria> someone must have threatened it.
Jan 12 16:19:32 <unique311> wow
Jan 12 16:19:49 <unique311> luria you don't like the french or something.  that was a low blow.
Jan 12 16:20:28 <melmoth> khertan: "deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ etch main" is working here
Jan 12 16:20:39 <Andy80> khertan: use another mirror :)
Jan 12 16:20:46 * melmoth waves a "vive la france" flag :)
Jan 12 16:20:51 <khertan> you are talking about debian ... not ubuntu :)
Jan 12 16:21:11 <Andy80> khertan: I use ubuntu too :)
Jan 12 16:21:19 <Andy80> khertan: you can choose any other mirror
Jan 12 16:21:23 <khertan> the ubuntu french mirror is a bit undersized ... but other mirror work
Jan 12 16:21:34 <khertan> +s
Jan 12 16:22:25 <Andy80> khertan: substitute http://fr.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ with http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ or something else
Jan 12 16:22:35 <melmoth> hmm, funnyly enough i just realised i m using belgian repo on my ubuntu box :)
Jan 12 16:22:41 <khertan> yes it what i ve done ... thx
Jan 12 16:23:00 <unique311> melmoth, you wave the flag, but yet took that low blow luria deakt...about someone threatening  the french repo.
Jan 12 16:23:03 <khertan> melmoth: belgian repo is robust ... good server under ...
Jan 12 16:23:09 <unique311> dealt
Jan 12 16:23:28 <melmoth> hugolp: recompiling gnet worked out of the box here.
Jan 12 16:23:59 <melmoth> hugolp: i apt-get source gnet from etch, then i just dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot in scractchbox.
Jan 12 16:24:02 <melmoth> it just worked.
Jan 12 16:24:36 <melmoth> lets try with armel
Jan 12 16:24:43 <Luria> actually, it was a well timed preemptive strike.
Jan 12 16:25:07 <khertan> hum ... do you know an gtk ftp program with a light gui that could be easy to use on maemo ?
Jan 12 16:25:17 <Luria> but when the defense is maginot line...
Jan 12 16:25:28 <khertan> lol
Jan 12 16:25:51 <khertan> we can't say nothing about this great and beautiful maginot line
Jan 12 16:26:07 <fysa> how well does gngeo run?
Jan 12 16:26:09 <khertan> noone passed it ... it s robust ... and noone destroy it
Jan 12 16:26:17 <khertan> :)
Jan 12 16:26:45 <fysa> does biomotor unitron run?
Jan 12 16:27:13 <Luria> nope. no need to destroy a defense that you can drive around.
Jan 12 16:27:20 <hugolp> is it true what I read that its better to compile the armel package directly onto the N800 and not with the emulator or its just nonsense?
Jan 12 16:27:30 <khertan> Luria: yes this was a joke
Jan 12 16:27:38 <Luria> i know :-)
Jan 12 16:28:00 <khertan> hugolp: you ll most the time be out of memory ... and take many time to do this
Jan 12 16:28:05 <melmoth> hugolp: i got libgnet2.0-0_2.0.7-1_armel.deb and the dev package for armel without having to chaneg anything
Jan 12 16:28:49 <hugolp> melmoth:  good
Jan 12 16:28:59 <tyrionlannister> Why not just use pluthon if you're developing a python app?
Jan 12 16:29:02 <khertan> Luria: but everybody now that chirurgical strike doesn't hurt anyone
Jan 12 16:29:14 <hugolp> so basically compiling directly on the N800 is a no way?
Jan 12 16:29:26 <melmoth> i dont know, i never had to compile on it.
Jan 12 16:29:33 <Luria> what's really sad is that napoleon was the one who famously chewed out a adjutant for suggesting a broad line deployment as a defense... asking whether he was looking to defend territory or interdict smuggling.
Jan 12 16:29:56 <khertan> tyrionlannister: i m not developping a python app ... i m finishing a python module to be able to write my python app
Jan 12 16:30:10 <melmoth> hugolp: would you like me to upload the packages and sources somewhere ?
Jan 12 16:30:16 <melmoth> otherwise, i ll just delete them :)
Jan 12 16:30:38 <tyrionlannister> aCiDBaSe: new module, or are you adding an existing one to your emulated environment?
Jan 12 16:30:48 <tyrionlannister> This autoreply sucks
Jan 12 16:31:00 <khertan> Luria: hum ... 200 years ago
Jan 12 16:31:14 <khertan> tyrionlannister: lol
Jan 12 16:31:31 <hugolp> melmoth:  Ill just compile them myself. Thanks anyway
Jan 12 16:31:48 <khertan> hugolp: it s ok for small app... but more difficult for large project
Jan 12 16:32:36 <hugolp> khertan:  ok, so the proper way is to compile it in scratchbox with armel target right?
Jan 12 16:33:00 <hugolp> I read somewhere that the emulator could have mistakes and that for the final version it was better to compile it with the N800 natively
Jan 12 16:33:32 <Luria> yeah, thats the paranoid way
Jan 12 16:33:39 <Luria> which is probably good
Jan 12 16:33:49 <Luria> cause they *are* out to get you.
Jan 12 16:33:54 <Luria> yes, you hugolp.
Jan 12 16:34:00 <Luria> they are watching.
Jan 12 16:34:15 <khertan> hugolp: right
Jan 12 16:35:27 <khertan> hugolp: there is for a example a problem when u try to compile python module .... but it seems there is a solution that i m trying : http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html
Jan 12 16:35:57 <Andy80> khertan: uh... that is my blog :)
Jan 12 16:36:11 <hugolp> khertan:  ok
Jan 12 16:36:44 <Andy80> hugolp: I can assure it works, after you install the patch
Jan 12 16:37:19 <fysa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO:_Alien_Invasion
Jan 12 16:38:27 <hugolp> Andy80:  fine
Jan 12 16:38:35 <hugolp> going to try now
Jan 12 16:39:04 <Andy80> ok
Jan 12 16:39:30 <khertan> Andy80: thx for the post !
Jan 12 16:40:15 <fysa> ooo
Jan 12 16:40:30 <fysa> maybe this is a good project.
Jan 12 16:40:42 <fysa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFO:_Alien_Invasion - uses id Tech 2 (Q2) engine
Jan 12 16:40:45 <khertan> do u know how i can replace python (2.3) from scratchbox by python2.5 ?
Jan 12 16:41:26 <Andy80> khertan: yes.... look here: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/sdk_installation.html
Jan 12 16:41:34 <fysa> http://ufoai.ninex.info/gallery/maps/base03.jpg.php
Jan 12 16:42:01 <fysa> http://ufoai.ninex.info/gallery/ingame-screenshots/grenade_launcher.jpg.php
Jan 12 16:42:18 <jeddy3> hmmm, why doesn't mediaplayer want to play my tablet-encoded moviefile...? :/
Jan 12 16:42:19 <fysa> could translate well to touchscreen
Jan 12 16:42:27 <khertan> Andy80: it install python2.5 ... but dont replace the original
Jan 12 16:42:28 <tyrionlannister> I like pluthon better than scratchbox for Python development.. Are there any added benefits to using scratchbox for python development?
Jan 12 16:42:29 <fysa> jeddy3: you try mplayer yet?
Jan 12 16:42:36 <fysa> works much much better than mediaplayer
Jan 12 16:42:49 <khertan> so when a autogen is run it always include python2.3
Jan 12 16:42:50 <fysa> I don't have to tablet-encode 'standard' XVID/DIVX files
Jan 12 16:42:50 <jeddy3> fysa, no, i can't find any mplayer packages for os2008
Jan 12 16:42:55 <khertan> and the autoconf fails
Jan 12 16:43:05 <tyrionlannister> Maybe I'm missing out on something, pluthon just seems a lot easier
Jan 12 16:43:10 <Andy80> khertan: uhm... right infact I started python2.5 :\
Jan 12 16:43:37 <khertan> i ve replace the /usr/bin/python and make a symlink ... but doesn't seems to be enougth
Jan 12 16:43:51 <jeddy3> fysa, well i find it on maemo.org, but when i try to run the one click install, package manager says it's not there :P
Jan 12 16:43:54 <lcuk> fysa - ive not had much luck with mplayer - it is more unstable than builtin for the movies i have tried
Jan 12 16:44:12 <khertan> Andy80: a idea ?
Jan 12 16:44:12 <fysa> I don't know where you find your package from, but mine is rock solid..  but haven't updated since the pre-christmas beta
Jan 12 16:44:15 * lcuk wanted it to work
Jan 12 16:44:24 <melmoth> jeddy3: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/chinook/install/mplayer.install
Jan 12 16:44:28 <Andy80> khertan: really not :\ I didn't care about that thing...
Jan 12 16:44:37 <jeddy3> yeah, builtin player seems pretty ok, but still, it down right _refuses_ to play this file
Jan 12 16:44:38 <khertan> Andy80: snif
Jan 12 16:44:42 <melmoth> jeddy3: it worked on mine.
Jan 12 16:44:44 <Andy80> khertan: you could try to ask on pymaemo mailing list
Jan 12 16:45:01 <lcuk> i had one converted from the nokia converter which just would not play with either
Jan 12 16:45:03 * lcuk shrugs
Jan 12 16:45:28 <fysa> problem with builtin player is it's only half as capable as mplayer, bitrate-wise
Jan 12 16:45:38 <fysa> maybe that's improved with os2008..
Jan 12 16:45:40 <lcuk> does nokia converter actually change the codec or just downgrade the res using the movies builtin codec
Jan 12 16:45:49 <tyrionlannister> khertan: Why are you setting up the emulated environment to run python when you can develop straight to your tablet with pluthon?
Jan 12 16:46:02 <fysa> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12046
Jan 12 16:46:10 <lcuk> fysa - but using nokioa convert it should make any movie work on on nokia at playable bitrate
Jan 12 16:46:18 <fysa> yes, but wh y?
Jan 12 16:46:31 <fysa> I can encode from DVD to standard XVID for TV
Jan 12 16:46:36 <fysa> and play the same file on N800 without any change
Jan 12 16:46:46 <lcuk> ahhhh
Jan 12 16:46:49 * lcuk sees now
Jan 12 16:47:00 <fysa> that's the advantage of the extra efficiency of mplayer..
Jan 12 16:47:18 <lcuk> but it wont player hdtv movies i got
Jan 12 16:47:21 <fysa> not that I officially support such things..
Jan 12 16:47:24 <lcuk> (none of them will)
Jan 12 16:47:30 <fysa> but standard SD-rips you find on usenet and bittorrent will mostly play
Jan 12 16:47:36 <fysa> for HD, I recommend mediaserv
Jan 12 16:47:45 <fysa> if you have a linux server..
Jan 12 16:47:48 <lcuk> standard sdtv rips are harder to find - less seeds
Jan 12 16:47:57 <fysa> if spawns a mencoder instance that will transcode in real-time
Jan 12 16:48:12 <lcuk> do the ipod encoded files (mp4) work on nokia?
Jan 12 16:48:12 <fysa> uses tablet-encode in real-time
Jan 12 16:48:26 <fysa> fast enough for me to stream 720p x264 from my Athlon 64 3200+
Jan 12 16:48:33 <lcuk> cos they show up quite high on torrent searches
Jan 12 16:48:40 <fysa> they probably work with mplayer
Jan 12 16:49:03 <fysa> mplayer on the tablet can basically play anything that mplayer on any other platform can play..
Jan 12 16:49:11 <lcuk> canola uses mplayer for movies doesnt it
Jan 12 16:49:13 <fysa> but x264 isn't very optimized yet for arm
Jan 12 16:49:18 <fysa> videocenter can
Jan 12 16:49:33 <fysa> basically, mediaserv creates RSS feeds for each folder on your media server
Jan 12 16:49:34 <alterego> I lost a damn stylus >:(
Jan 12 16:49:44 <fysa> then you use videocenter to 'subscribe' to the feeds
Jan 12 16:49:46 <lcuk> :O alter - i dread the day i do that
Jan 12 16:49:56 <alterego> I now only have one.
Jan 12 16:50:01 <fysa> so all media automatically shows up in videocenter, organized by TV/,  Movies/, etc
Jan 12 16:50:05 <alterego> I'm sure it'll turn up eventually.
Jan 12 16:50:12 <fysa> then you can configure videocenter to launch mplayer..
Jan 12 16:50:27 <fysa> I've yet to have something that doesn't play this way..
Jan 12 16:50:30 <lcuk> i lost the specific one for my pda and cursed every time i used a generic
Jan 12 16:50:32 <fysa> even 1080i HD .ts
Jan 12 16:50:34 <alterego> I guess it's karma telling my I should have a spring clean.
Jan 12 16:51:13 <lcuk> speaking of karma - i havents seen any name is earl recently
Jan 12 16:51:21 * lcuk goes hunting the torrents
Jan 12 16:51:31 <Luria> umm strike?
Jan 12 16:51:44 <lcuk> :(
Jan 12 16:51:48 <lcuk> ur right
Jan 12 16:52:31 <Luria> sigh. dcau got replaced with this kids crap. sigh.
Jan 12 16:52:41 <Andy80> I've to try a thing when I've time.... I want to install the upnp server on my dreambox and try to view the recorded videos from the n810 :)
Jan 12 16:52:41 <lcuk> hahaha - i have an episode avail
Jan 12 16:53:17 <khertan> tyrionlannister: I SAY FOR THE 3d TIME THAT I NOT DEV IN PYTHON BUT COMPILE A C PYTHON MODULE FOR PYTHON
Jan 12 16:53:46 <tyrionlannister> calm down, friend
Jan 12 16:54:13 <tyrionlannister> It's just your computer
Jan 12 16:54:14 <jeddy3> melmoth, nope, it says cannot install: cannot find package
Jan 12 16:54:44 <jeddy3> melmoth, although something is wrong with my package-manager, it also cannot upgrade some packages, as map application
Jan 12 16:55:04 * lcuk compiles a module for khertan (chillpill.ko) and installs it onto his bios
Jan 12 16:55:09 <tyrionlannister> I was trying to help you towards your goal of " to be able to write my python app"
Jan 12 16:55:30 <khertan> sorry ... a bit stressed by this thing called 'scratchbox' ...
Jan 12 16:55:31 * Jaffa belatedly points out that files for the iPod (obviously without DRM) work very well in the built-in Media Player
Jan 12 16:55:37 <Jaffa> (on OS 2008 at least)
Jan 12 16:55:57 <Jaffa> lcuk: Nokia's ITVC has loads of licenced codecs (e.g. MPEG-2 etc.) for reading and then encodes to MP4
Jan 12 16:55:58 * khertan kernel panic
Jan 12 16:56:02 <lcuk> Jaffa - just what i wanted to hear - theres loads of tv shows encoded for ipod
Jan 12 16:56:11 <Jaffa> AIUI, mplayer doesn't do MP4 that well on maemo
Jan 12 16:56:19 * khertan kernel panic : scratchbox overflow
Jan 12 16:56:28 <Jaffa> ssvb's concentrated on DivX/Xvid/MP4 video with MP3 audio
Jan 12 16:56:29 <Luria> you know what's sad? the eeepc is probably better for gaming than this laptop
Jan 12 16:56:30 <lcuk> thanks
Jan 12 16:56:33 <tyrionlannister> You don't need scratchbox or an emulated environment to write a python app, thereby ending your need to get the c module compiled
Jan 12 16:56:37 <k-s> lcuk: canola does, but it maybe be slower than regular mplayer due different VO usage
Jan 12 16:56:55 <k-s> lcuk: we use XV, while regular mplayer uses Nokia_770
Jan 12 16:57:18 <jeddy3> does anybody have an idea why this videofile doensn't work, what are built in mediaplayers limitations? is it picky about resolutions in video?
Jan 12 16:57:20 <tyrionlannister> Get the eclipse plugin Pluthon, which will SCP your files to your nokia and then run it, letting you develop live
Jan 12 16:57:48 <lcuk> tyrion - if the guy is trying to compile some c source (whatever the use) he needs to target it to the ARM.  whether or not he wants to use that final module within python
Jan 12 16:59:15 * lcuk edits python files using windows box and uses SCP to transfer back to the n810 after editing and just runs with a single command line
Jan 12 16:59:45 * lcuk will need much more to be able to compile c source code into ARM assembly
Jan 12 17:00:44 <khertan> tyrionlannister: i prefer to use PyGTKEditor to dev onboard ...
Jan 12 17:01:06 <lcuk> k-s i will bear that in mind and try all environments when movies give me problems (hopefully never...)
Jan 12 17:02:19 * Luria is off looking at reports on how eclipse runs on an eee
Jan 12 17:02:23 <alterego> It was in the flippin' kitchen.
Jan 12 17:02:36 <lcuk> khertan - i like pygtkeditor, but do you know a way to allow it to open python files from file manager?
Jan 12 17:02:45 <Jaffa> Luria: I've not tried on mine yet, probably want a memory upgrade over the default 512MB RAM
Jan 12 17:03:00 <Luria> jaffa, which one do you have?
Jan 12 17:03:33 <jeddy3> ok, please don't beat me now...but how did you "fix" your maemo repositores? I though i did that but repository.maemo.org still generates an error with apt-get
Jan 12 17:04:07 <khertan> lcuk: yes ... in the next release :)
Jan 12 17:04:20 <lcuk> :D bonus
Jan 12 17:04:22 <khertan> lcuk: the current dev version i have can do this :)
Jan 12 17:04:41 * lcuk wipes his brow.  i was gettin frustrated at that
Jan 12 17:05:06 <lcuk> are you the main dev? or just beta testing
Jan 12 17:05:06 <Jaffa> Luria: 701. 4GB SSD, 512MB RAM. White. Very nice, cheap laptop. Not as exciting as N810
Jan 12 17:05:12 * Jaffa pubs.
Jan 12 17:05:28 <Luria> surf or non surf?
Jan 12 17:05:38 <Luria> im thinking about a 4gb non-surf
Jan 12 17:05:58 <Luria> to supplement my n800
Jan 12 17:06:17 <Luria> i just wish the screen resolution werent so go awful.
Jan 12 17:06:28 <Luria> god awful
Jan 12 17:06:36 <lcuk> on which device?
Jan 12 17:07:00 <Luria> on the eee
Jan 12 17:07:09 <Luria> same resolution as a nokia
Jan 12 17:07:10 <lcuk> yer - its same as 8x0
Jan 12 17:07:21 <lcuk> for a larger device i can see it being frustrating
Jan 12 17:07:50 <Jon> the keyboard is the most annoying thing about the eeepc, imho. the screen I can live with
Jan 12 17:08:07 <Luria> im surprised one of the carpc guys hasnt ripped apart the lcd and replaced the panel
Jan 12 17:08:15 <khertan> lcuk: i'm the main dev
Jan 12 17:08:20 <Luria> whats wrong with the keyboard?
Jan 12 17:08:21 <lcuk> ive seen touchscreen added to eee
Jan 12 17:08:55 <Luria> yes, i saw the touchscreen, hsdpa, and bluetooth hacks
Jan 12 17:09:04 <khertan> lcuk: for the next release i ve include auto-indent
Jan 12 17:09:11 <khertan> and some other things
Jan 12 17:09:20 <lcuk> khertan :) then may i say thank you - i couldnt type on 810 without it
Jan 12 17:09:29 <khertan> hehe
Jan 12 17:09:30 <lcuk> (has no tab key :()
Jan 12 17:09:47 <khertan> ouch ... not fun the no tab
Jan 12 17:10:06 <Luria> Jon, what's up with the keyboard. im thinking about seriously buying one today
Jan 12 17:10:09 <khertan> so it why someone ask me to add an icon that emulate a tab in the toolbar
Jan 12 17:10:12 <lcuk> its ok - im seriously thinking about remaping either the centre D pad, or the Q key
Jan 12 17:10:41 * lcuk cant think of many commands with Q in their name in python
Jan 12 17:10:41 <khertan> lcuk: if you wait a minute i can send you the dev version :)
Jan 12 17:11:10 <lcuk> i would like that very much, but i cannot test until the football starts (missis has nicked it for mahjong!)
Jan 12 17:11:46 * lcuk goes and gets it
Jan 12 17:12:27 <We> hi guys
Jan 12 17:12:30 <We> friends
Jan 12 17:12:39 <We> i find a problem
Jan 12 17:12:39 <Jon> Luria: it's just very small. Mind you I'm used to a thinkpad X40. I expect you could get used to the eeepc one with time; I only borrowed it for a week or so
Jan 12 17:12:42 <We> please help
Jan 12 17:13:02 <We> :(
Jan 12 17:13:03 <lcuk> khertan, have it now - its hard work sometimes getting it back from her
Jan 12 17:13:59 <Luria> it doesnt look too bad
Jan 12 17:14:06 <We> holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Jan 12 17:14:09 <lcuk> we - it helps if you let us know the problem - no1 is going to offer blindly help ;)
Jan 12 17:14:15 <We> ok
Jan 12 17:14:25 <We> please read here
Jan 12 17:14:27 <We> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13225
Jan 12 17:14:31 <We> this problem
Jan 12 17:14:41 <We> for n810 left speaker
Jan 12 17:14:44 <We> is it true?
Jan 12 17:15:27 <khertan> lcuk: i send u in dcc ?
Jan 12 17:15:45 * dhd has stuff running on the DSP and actually working
Jan 12 17:15:54 <dhd> very exciting
Jan 12 17:15:56 <lcuk> i dunno what dcc is  but ive got a download request thing up
Jan 12 17:16:04 <khertan> it s that :)
Jan 12 17:16:20 <khertan> doesn't seems to pass ... firewalled ?
Jan 12 17:16:24 <We> :
Jan 12 17:16:30 <blast007> DCC rarely works
Jan 12 17:16:33 <lcuk> only *cough* standard windows
Jan 12 17:16:47 * lcuk is ashamed
Jan 12 17:17:10 <Bart_Simpson> CARAMBA §
Jan 12 17:17:16 <We> ????//
Jan 12 17:17:24 <Khertan> hi Tahitibob
Jan 12 17:18:21 <We> can u someone tell me this?
Jan 12 17:18:43 <Khertan> We: don't have one...
Jan 12 17:18:59 <Khertan> lcuk: u can get it here : khertan.net/maemo/pygtkeditor-2.1.0a.all.deb
Jan 12 17:19:06 <Khertan> +http://
Jan 12 17:19:14 <Khertan> it s an alpha not official
Jan 12 17:19:19 <lcuk> got it :)
Jan 12 17:19:25 <lcuk> thanks ill copy it on now
Jan 12 17:19:27 <We> [20:45:40] [We]: ok
Jan 12 17:19:29 <We> [20:45:50] [We]: please read here
Jan 12 17:19:31 <We> [20:45:51] [We]: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13225
Jan 12 17:19:33 <We> [20:45:56] [We]: this problem
Jan 12 17:19:35 <We> [20:46:05] [We]: for n810 left speaker
Jan 12 17:19:37 <We> [20:46:08] [We]: is it true?
Jan 12 17:19:39 <lcuk> do i need to uninstall
Jan 12 17:19:42 <lcuk> old one first
Jan 12 17:19:56 <Khertan> We: we can't say as many dev still waiting her n810 !!!
Jan 12 17:20:18 <Khertan> lcuk: no need
Jan 12 17:20:46 <Khertan> there is now a prefs menu ... not all thing works yet
Jan 12 17:20:54 <Khertan> default language for example
Jan 12 17:20:59 <lcuk> we -  it might be an acoustic issue with design of 810 itself - you have a thread on ITT already so ppl are reading, theres no point in shouting for an instant answer
Jan 12 17:21:10 <lcuk> ill try it out and let you know
Jan 12 17:21:21 <lcuk> did you put the virtual tab in or is that on the todo
Jan 12 17:21:28 <Khertan> lcuk: not yet
Jan 12 17:21:46 <lcuk> okies - ill prob end up remapping dpad key
Jan 12 17:22:00 <Khertan> the tab and defaultlanguage not working is the main reason why it s not release :)
Jan 12 17:22:14 <lcuk> is it wrote in python itself?
Jan 12 17:22:25 <Khertan> yes
Jan 12 17:22:30 <lcuk> cool
Jan 12 17:22:48 <Khertan> it s write in python in the device itself with pygtkeditor as editor :)
Jan 12 17:22:51 <lcuk> this why you wanted the c module compiling earlier - for use inside here
Jan 12 17:22:52 <We> :) thank u guys
Jan 12 17:23:10 <Khertan> and it s packaged in
Jan 12 17:23:18 <Khertan> onboard with pypackager :)
Jan 12 17:23:39 <melmoth> if you are coding on the device itself, i underestand why you are so eager to get a n810 with a _keyboard_ :)
Jan 12 17:23:45 <Khertan> lcuk: the module i try to compile is more for making home applet in python :)
Jan 12 17:23:56 <melmoth> it must be horrible to code with stylus or thumb kb
Jan 12 17:24:28 <Khertan> no really choice :) 3h30 of train by day
Jan 12 17:24:30 <lcuk> khertan - there is a guy in here comes on late night called rm_you who is getting a brightness applet up and running and i know hes using C
Jan 12 17:24:40 <lcuk> might be an idea to find him :)
Jan 12 17:25:20 <lcuk> kher have u got a BT keyboard
Jan 12 17:25:22 <Khertan> lcuk: my problem isn't the lib hildondesktop ... but more using python2.5 in scratchbox :)
Jan 12 17:25:37 <Khertan> lcuk: no btkeyboard
Jan 12 17:25:46 <lcuk> then your app is all the more impressive
Jan 12 17:25:52 <Khertan> thx
Jan 12 17:26:01 <lcuk> your thumbs must be super thick
Jan 12 17:26:26 <Khertan> in fact all the app you can found on my site is onboard dev... also the palm applications :)
Jan 12 17:26:51 <Khertan> i come back in 5 min
Jan 12 17:26:52 <tyrionlannister> That's a lot of work
Jan 12 17:26:56 <lcuk> ok :)
Jan 12 17:27:18 <tyrionlannister> I've told you already you don't need the emulated environment to develop from your PC.. Just check out pluthon, you'll see what I mean if you try it
Jan 12 17:27:22 * lcuk bookmarks khertans site and has a rummage around
Jan 12 17:29:38 <lcuk> tyr - he has his own dev env already - written in python itself, not a plugin for another ide
Jan 12 17:29:48 <tyrionlannister> I know, it's an onboard environment
Jan 12 17:30:00 <lcuk> so he wants to allow continued development using his editor
Jan 12 17:30:07 <lcuk> but not directly on the device itself
Jan 12 17:30:12 <lcuk> i think
Jan 12 17:30:16 <tyrionlannister> Ah, I see
Jan 12 17:30:20 <tyrionlannister> Odd
Jan 12 17:30:24 <lcuk> not really
Jan 12 17:30:48 <lcuk> if you put work into your own ide (which pygtkeditor is) then why should he have to use competing product to work on his own?
Jan 12 17:31:33 <tyrionlannister> It's definitely something to be proud of, but it seems to have been made for a specific use and it has limitations
Jan 12 17:32:12 <lcuk> only has limitations for now because scratchbox config is a little out of his reach - its something that if a scratchbox guru sat down with him i am sure he will overcome
Jan 12 17:32:19 <tyrionlannister> I use the editor onboard myself.. On my desktop I like something with project management tools, like Mylyn, and auto-completion and method lookups
Jan 12 17:32:59 <lcuk> we rip microsoft for not eating their own dogfood, theres nothing more satisfying than developing code using your own tools
Jan 12 17:33:23 * lcuk thinks khertan likes the taste of his dogfood
Jan 12 17:33:23 <We> yes right
Jan 12 17:34:22 <Khertan> re
Jan 12 17:34:23 <tyrionlannister> I can see that. The app would be out of it's scope but I guess the sense of achievement might be worthwhile
Jan 12 17:34:44 <alterego> Anyone used a Class 6 SD card with the N810? Do they work at 6Mb/s
Jan 12 17:36:40 <Khertan> tyrionlannister: are u the dev of pluthon ? because you are repeating this word all the time you heard the word python ...
Jan 12 17:36:59 <tyrionlannister> Nope
Jan 12 17:37:16 <Khertan> maybe you are a bot ? or havent understood that i can't use pluthon on the device ...
Jan 12 17:37:25 <Khertan> as i dev in the train
Jan 12 17:37:57 <Khertan> and it s not really train but mainly metro
Jan 12 17:38:10 <lcuk> kherton, you have a long commute, which city do you work in
Jan 12 17:38:24 <lcuk> ^a
Jan 12 17:38:41 <Khertan> i work in the south of Paris ... but i live 50km in the north of Paris ... :)
Jan 12 17:39:04 <lcuk> wow - how long have you been doing that run?
Jan 12 17:39:20 <Khertan> 2 years now ...
Jan 12 17:39:48 <zoran> concidered buying the plane?
Jan 12 17:39:53 <lcuk> cant you convince your boss to let you tele-commute, infact forget that - make him move you further so you dev faster ;)
Jan 12 17:40:28 <lcuk> and make you work weekends
Jan 12 17:40:39 <Khertan> lol
Jan 12 17:41:06 <zoran> sometimes is the very presence necessary
Jan 12 17:41:28 <lcuk> i have a friend who lives in (hope i get this right) st ettienne suburb of paris
Jan 12 17:41:59 <Khertan> it s a choice ... instead of living inside Paris ... for the same price of a small 60m2 Apartment, where i am ... i ve a 160m2 House
Jan 12 17:42:35 <Khertan> with a nice garden :)
Jan 12 17:42:53 <lcuk> and big treetrunk thumbs from working on n800
Jan 12 17:43:20 * jsmith wanders away...
Jan 12 17:43:34 <zoran> Khertan, does it mean 2 x 3.5 hrs?
Jan 12 17:45:01 <lcuk> i would hope not, 50km in 3.5 hours is cycling speed
Jan 12 17:45:12 <lcuk> can you code and ride at same time?
Jan 12 17:45:37 <DuneSandWorm> I can not find any application to  capture video with the n800 camera.. any ideas...
Jan 12 17:46:33 <lcuk> dune, using os2007 still or os2008
Jan 12 17:46:50 <DuneSandWorm> os2008
Jan 12 17:47:20 <Moox> hi there. Using mediaserv and videocenter, os2008, I got an 'invalid service address' when I add the RSS feed in videocenter. Using the browser, the url is correct. any idea ?
Jan 12 17:47:51 <Khertan> zoran: 2x 1h45
Jan 12 17:48:04 <zoran> goooood
Jan 12 17:48:15 <lcuk> dune, not sure - i know some ppl had success with 2007, but havent heard anything yet for '08
Jan 12 17:48:28 * lcuk hasnt looked tbh
Jan 12 17:48:48 <DuneSandWorm> lcuk, thnx
Jan 12 17:49:21 <lcuk> try a google search nad theres some hits - followups and comments might give some more concrete answers
Jan 12 17:50:30 <nick_fn> Does anyone know if Abiword and Gnumeric are actually available for OS2007? All ports I find are too old.
Jan 12 17:51:19 <Khertan>  for more information about controlling
Jan 12 17:51:26 <Khertan> oups ww
Jan 12 17:51:39 <lcuk> right, im gonna go and take a look at khertans beta :)
Jan 12 17:51:44 <lcuk> ooh speak of the devil ;)
Jan 12 17:53:30 <DuneSandWorm> lcuk, looks like I need to port an app myself to get one 2 wrk, what abot a better voice recorder than "recorder", recorder is ok, bt surely, there is another, I hate reinventing the wheel. looks like the Kde port would give me more apps though.
Jan 12 17:57:00 <lcuk> khertan, i cannot install - updates sourceview component required
Jan 12 17:58:13 <Khertan> bash: /scratchbox/tools/bin/chmod: No such file or directory
Jan 12 17:58:51 <Khertan> lcuk: oups ... get the sourceview on my site : http://khertan.net/softwares/pygtkeditor.php
Jan 12 17:59:19 <lcuk> will that one be correct - i could just add your repo - latest is dated 26 dec from what i can see
Jan 12 17:59:41 <lcuk> tis ok i can see
Jan 12 17:59:42 <Khertan> don't use my repository ... it is broken
Jan 12 17:59:45 <lcuk> thanks will get them lol
Jan 12 18:00:00 <Khertan> i'm not an expert of debian repos :)
Jan 12 18:00:48 <Khertan> someone have the same problem ? chmod don't exist in armel target in my sbox ...
Jan 12 18:01:05 <lcuk> its ok im not an export on anything... just have willing to try
Jan 12 18:02:02 * lcuk runs back across the room to test (will get fit somehow...)
Jan 12 18:05:14 <Khertan> chmod disapears from scratchbox when i retrieve python .... pffff
Jan 12 18:05:26 <Khertan>  /s/retrieve/remove
Jan 12 18:08:47 <Lahiru> [http://picasaweb.google.com/llahiru/MyN800WithKDE]
Jan 12 18:09:50 <Lahiru> anyone tried to run firefox on KDE? :)
Jan 12 18:11:34 <timely> people do it
Jan 12 18:14:01 <lcuk> wow - on os008, can someone confirm if you double tap on a menu item from the main app menu does the second tap open the app from the respective place in "my selection" - ie trying to open "Utilities/file manager" from the menu actually opens Filemanager and map.
Jan 12 18:14:15 <timely> typically, yes
Jan 12 18:14:21 <timely> map was the most common example
Jan 12 18:14:30 <timely> i'm not sure anyone bothered to file a bug in bugs.maemo.org
Jan 12 18:14:34 <timely> if you can't find one, please file it
Jan 12 18:14:37 <lcuk> well thats a load of bunkum! its been bugging me as to why it opens
Jan 12 18:14:39 <dolfun> wow, dent in n810 after day one on the road (in soft case)
Jan 12 18:14:41 <lcuk> i certainly will
Jan 12 18:15:00 <lcuk> right back to it now - i got pygtkeditor installed and updated :)
Jan 12 18:17:35 <lcuk> khertan, doesnt start at all now, will attempt diagnose after my dinner, unless you have any ideas.  it shows the "starting "gtkeditor loading" thing then does nothing
Jan 12 18:17:57 <Khertan> open a term and type : pygtkeditor
Jan 12 18:18:01 <Khertan> paste me the result
Jan 12 18:19:22 <Khertan> oups ... i see ... i upload the wrong package ....
Jan 12 18:19:23 <Khertan> sorry
Jan 12 18:21:25 <Lahiru> dose anyone know how to install firefox on KDE ? :) OS2008 n800
Jan 12 18:24:08 <Khertan> lcuk: sorry i ve upload the wrong package : http://khertan.net/maemo/pygtkeditor-2.1.0b.all.deb
Jan 12 18:25:09 <oil_> I wish to promote IRC on maemo and also S60 platform. do we have good clients for these platforms?
Jan 12 18:25:35 <oil_> xChat looks quite ok on N810, but it's still not quite there.
Jan 12 18:25:36 <tyrionlannister> XChat is great for maemo
Jan 12 18:26:04 <Jon> pidgin does IRC
Jan 12 18:26:22 <tyrionlannister> Haha, beat me to it.. I would look at polishing xchat over building a new client.. There is also Pidgin and the RTCOMM plugin
Jan 12 18:26:25 <oil_> the client should be more like google talk.. look and feel
Jan 12 18:26:29 <Jon> xchat is better if IRC is your thing
Jan 12 18:27:43 <oil_> I'm looking something which would look good for the masses. to the people who has never used irc before
Jan 12 18:29:06 <oil_> eg. if we think how the skype and google did get so popular. those things did look nice and also work well.
Jan 12 18:29:46 <oil_> there is sitll no good chat programs available for mobile devices.
Jan 12 18:29:56 <tyrionlannister> RTCOMM might be good for that, as it's very simple. Regardless of the client, you'll face the hurdle of educating customers on configuring it to join a server
Jan 12 18:30:25 <oil_> tyrionlannister: everything should be preconfigured.
Jan 12 18:30:38 <corona_> why shouldn't "the masses" use any old jabber server?
Jan 12 18:30:56 <tyrionlannister> You can setup RTCOMM to auto-join a network but I don't think it auto-joins a channel yet
Jan 12 18:31:38 <oil_> corona_: why not? correct. the irc has still some userbase and therefore it would be good example of the chat.
Jan 12 18:31:46 <tyrionlannister> *auto-join when your tablet connects to the internet. No need to even start the application
Jan 12 18:32:03 <oil_> if you do a jabber only thing. there is no people waiting for your connection
Jan 12 18:33:08 <tyrionlannister> If the RTCOMM devs could get channels on specific servers added directly to the Contacts menu, it would fit your need ideally
Jan 12 18:33:50 <oil_> how could that be done?
Jan 12 18:35:25 <tyrionlannister> I'm not certain.. It's still in beta.. Right now to get on IRC, it's "Contacts -> New Chat -> Instant messaging menu -> Chat -> Enter Chat room or Chat Rooms list"
Jan 12 18:35:59 <oil_> where I can get that? I'd like to try.
Jan 12 18:36:15 <tyrionlannister> It's one of the items on the front page of ITT
Jan 12 18:37:06 <oil_> my first idea would use for example IRCnet and pre-configure some channels to the client. so that when user first starts the client, there would be some live channels already active
Jan 12 18:37:44 <NeoStrider> hello folks!
Jan 12 18:39:05 <Lahiru> can we get more debs for KDE on N800? any repository please?
Jan 12 18:39:28 <tyrionlannister> Hmm.. If you're doing this on your own it might be possible to create a custom XChat package that strips out every server except yours
Jan 12 18:40:16 <NeoStrider> anyone knows what key corresponds to the "menu key" of the devices?
Jan 12 18:40:25 <NeoStrider> (I know F4 is for Fullscreen)
Jan 12 18:41:37 <oil_> tyrionlannister: actually there could be other servers as well. most important would be to make sure that the end user (not expert) would find the chat usage as easy as possible
Jan 12 18:42:11 <oil_> tyrionlannister: now I see the new im menu on the itt.
Jan 12 18:44:38 <tyrionlannister> What kind of access will you have to your users' devices?
Jan 12 18:46:27 <oil_> tyrionlannister: I'm thinking of an packet which would be installed to the devices.
Jan 12 18:48:17 <NeoStrider> "a little less conversation...a little more action..."
Jan 12 18:48:43 <Mousey> hi
Jan 12 18:52:26 <lcuk> Khertan, I have installed and can confirm the indenting works nicely :) i have a further suggestion however.  If you press return at the end of a definition line ":" could it increase the indent automatically?
Jan 12 18:53:06 <lcuk> i am aiming to reduce the amount I have to use my tab key and this would remove a lot of them now you have indenting working
Jan 12 19:07:16 <moontiger> hi guys ... i have a question if anyone is around
Jan 12 19:07:51 <moontiger> my n810 file manager can see shared machines and folders across the wireless network but it cant see any of the actual files in those folders
Jan 12 19:08:01 <moontiger> does anybody have a clue how to fix this?
Jan 12 19:08:26 <lcuk> moontiger - it only views shares which are NOT password protected
Jan 12 19:08:35 * lcuk ponders this as well
Jan 12 19:08:48 <moontiger> hmmmmmm ok ... i deliberately set the shares to not be pw protected
Jan 12 19:08:50 <GeneralAntilles> It'll probably get an update with the next release.
Jan 12 19:09:06 <moontiger> oh k ...it kinda sux right now
Jan 12 19:09:09 <moontiger> :/
Jan 12 19:09:38 <moontiger> thanks for the info tho :)
Jan 12 19:10:44 <keesj> moontiger: what kind of shares are we talking about?
Jan 12 19:11:02 <moontiger> well i tried a samba share and a windows share
Jan 12 19:11:09 <moontiger> it sees all of the folders and machines
Jan 12 19:11:11 <moontiger> but no files
Jan 12 19:15:59 <milhouse> moontiger: your shares probably needs a password.
Jan 12 19:16:24 <moontiger> im guessing that too even tho i specifically set them to be password free
Jan 12 19:16:27 <Khertan> lcuk: for information python guru recommands to use space instead of tabs ..
Jan 12 19:16:38 <Khertan> lcuk: but i ll look what i can do :)
Jan 12 19:17:21 <lcuk> kher - thats ok, my usual environment uses spaces - and yours does to, its just the tab key gives 4 spaces automatically
Jan 12 19:17:43 <lcuk> to my eyes 4 spaces = indent level
Jan 12 19:18:06 * czr hugs 2 spaces
Jan 12 19:18:16 <lcuk> its just a pain having to do multiple keypresses
Jan 12 19:18:30 <lcuk> czr i 2 is the default in khertans program as well
Jan 12 19:18:40 <czr> 2 is good
Jan 12 19:18:42 <czr> for me at least
Jan 12 19:18:55 <lcuk> 2 doesnt leave enough space for my eyes
Jan 12 19:19:00 <lcuk> ive had years of it being at 4
Jan 12 19:19:15 <lcuk> hell, i rebelled years ago moving from 8 to 4 ;)
Jan 12 19:19:24 <czr> I hate when lines go over 80 chars, and with complex code with a lot of nesting, that's a real possibility
Jan 12 19:19:55 <lcuk> khertan, i will remap my keypad instead
Jan 12 19:20:22 <lcuk> generic autoindenting is fine without trying to cludge in something language specific
Jan 12 19:20:38 <alterego> Are we talking about this again?
Jan 12 19:20:49 <alterego> Everyone who's anyone uses 2 spaces :P
Jan 12 19:20:56 <czr> heh
Jan 12 19:20:59 <czr> hey alterego
Jan 12 19:21:05 <alterego> Hey czr :)
Jan 12 19:21:10 <lcuk> alter, are you a 4 space man?
Jan 12 19:21:14 <czr> "great minds use 2 spaces"
Jan 12 19:21:20 <alterego> Hah,
Jan 12 19:21:29 <alterego> I'm a 2 space man. 4 spaces is just a waste.
Jan 12 19:21:42 <lcuk> but if its mapped to the tab key its all the same
Jan 12 19:21:49 <alterego> I could fit: a=b; in for spaces ..
Jan 12 19:21:51 <lcuk> apart from my eyes cannot see the difference
Jan 12 19:22:16 <alterego> My editors know that if they use 4 space chars then they'll promptly get removed from the computer.
Jan 12 19:22:24 <lcuk> lol
Jan 12 19:22:25 <alterego> s/chars/tabs/
Jan 12 19:22:25 <infobot> alterego meant: My editors know that if they use 4 space tabs then they'll promptly get removed from the computer.
Jan 12 19:23:33 <alterego> I think the basic idea is .. If you use one character indentation, then it's hard to tell whether that is just a line over. Where as you very rarely get 2 spaces mid line ..
Jan 12 19:23:48 <alterego> But some people still use one space indentation levels ..
Jan 12 19:23:57 <alterego> They're the people you should _really_ worry about ..
Jan 12 19:24:02 <czr> I've not seen those in very very long time
Jan 12 19:24:05 <lcuk> hey - some of the worst developers i know use 0 space indentation ;)
Jan 12 19:24:10 <alterego> Hah
Jan 12 19:24:32 <lcuk> do you code in a shell window?
Jan 12 19:24:41 <czr> what is a shell window?
Jan 12 19:24:49 <lcuk> dos box
Jan 12 19:24:50 <hugolp> gtk_scale button is not available in hildon?
Jan 12 19:24:52 <czr> runs with benzene?
Jan 12 19:24:53 <alterego> My editors don't let me use 0 space indentation :P If they do then they know that I'll probably nevre use them again.
Jan 12 19:24:58 <czr> dos box? bleh :-)
Jan 12 19:25:07 <alterego> I code in a Terminal yes.
Jan 12 19:25:14 <czr> lcuk, you want to ask "do you use graphical editors"
Jan 12 19:25:23 <alterego> I've not found a decent graphical editor yet ..
Jan 12 19:25:27 <lcuk> lol i probably do
Jan 12 19:25:32 <czr> neither have I really.
Jan 12 19:25:34 <lcuk> it explains why you worry about length
Jan 12 19:25:38 <czr> or they're just too slow to start or smt
Jan 12 19:25:49 * lcuk flies to the wind and if you don't have a horizontal scrollbar - tough :P
Jan 12 19:25:56 <alterego> I like the look of gedit, but it's got really bad indentation rules :)
Jan 12 19:26:03 <czr> lcuk, it also explains why I don't spend too much time setting up my programming environment when working on "foreign" systems
Jan 12 19:26:27 <czr> alterego, indeed. I use it sometimes though. kwrite/kate sometimes just crash on my old school setup.
Jan 12 19:26:29 <lcuk> i totally understand
Jan 12 19:26:34 <alterego> If you use auto indent, and do a double newline. The blank line has a load of spaces/tabs that have no meaning.
Jan 12 19:26:45 <czr> but kate really has everything what I need when doing non-coding writing
Jan 12 19:27:13 <lcuk> in *spit* visual studio .net if you do a double blank line the *beeeeeep* thing reverts indentation back to the start
Jan 12 19:27:21 <alterego> Kate is nice, but I'm not a KDE fan. So I'd rather not have Qt installed.
Jan 12 19:27:36 <alterego> lcuk, that's even worse! :D
Jan 12 19:27:57 <alterego> At least it's easy to write a regexp that removes the space from empty lines ..
Jan 12 19:28:10 <czr> alterego, I understand that :-). It's similar for me not want to install gnome unless because of deps :-)
Jan 12 19:28:34 <alterego> :)
Jan 12 19:29:00 <Khertan> alterego: hum ... great idea ... in the next pygtkeditor release i ll remove blank space in blank line
Jan 12 19:29:15 <alterego> I need a decent soft case for the N810, I can't stand the one that comes with it. So much so that I've just not been using it O_O
Jan 12 19:29:34 <alterego> Khertan, good job :)
Jan 12 19:29:41 <alterego> Khertan, have you added Ruby support yet?
Jan 12 19:29:48 <Khertan> yes
Jan 12 19:29:49 <lcuk> khertan - make it an option, and only do it when saving -  otherwise you will annoy people who copy/paste and move around and find out their indents have gone
Jan 12 19:29:54 <alterego> Nice.
Jan 12 19:30:12 <Khertan> lcuk: yes of course it would be an option
Jan 12 19:30:17 <alterego> I don't think anyone wants meaningless whitspace.
Jan 12 19:30:20 <alterego> I don't think anyone wants meaningless whitespace.
Jan 12 19:30:29 <Khertan> alterego: i know ... c# dev
Jan 12 19:30:39 <alterego> O_o
Jan 12 19:30:41 <alterego> Freaky.
Jan 12 19:30:57 <Khertan> don't know why ... maybe microsoft style/guidelines
Jan 12 19:30:58 <Khertan> :)
Jan 12 19:30:59 <lcuk> i understand that - but if you do it too soon and i copy a block of nearly blank code which has the space there but then it goes it will become as annoying as visual studio...
Jan 12 19:31:01 <alterego> I noticed the maemo notes app does weird things with multiple spaces ..
Jan 12 19:31:06 <czr> mayeb they pay by the characters written
Jan 12 19:31:18 <czr> s/eb/be/
Jan 12 19:31:20 <alterego> Hah.
Jan 12 19:31:20 <infobot> czr meant: maybe they pay by the characters written
Jan 12 19:31:43 <Khertan> in fact now pygtkeditor use sourceview
Jan 12 19:31:50 <Khertan> as chinook use gtk > 2.6
Jan 12 19:31:52 <czr> damn. I wont to do something. but I'm still sick. so I know that if I start something I'll just get a headache
Jan 12 19:32:06 <Khertan> i ve recompile it for maemo
Jan 12 19:32:15 <alterego> czr, start working on beer.
Jan 12 19:32:19 <Khertan> héhé
Jan 12 19:32:25 <czr> alterego, don't have any..
Jan 12 19:32:30 <alterego> I'm off to a friends now to have a few beers. See you all later :)
Jan 12 19:32:41 <czr> besides, beer isn't the solution for everything (most things yes, but not this particular one :-)
Jan 12 19:32:48 <czr> later alterego, keep safe..
Jan 12 19:33:36 <Khertan> alterego: do u remember the last time i ve set scratchbox to be able to compile hildondesktop binding for python ... i ve crash my system ... ubuntu powa ... and set scratchbox again ... but now i ve problem with python version in scratchbox
Jan 12 19:33:57 <Khertan> alterego: do u remember the solution you give me ?
Jan 12 19:34:19 <lcuk> kher - think hes gone
Jan 12 19:34:26 <lcuk> did he offer solution in chat here?
Jan 12 19:34:28 <Khertan> czr: right ... beer is the solution for most thing ... vodka for the rest ... :)
Jan 12 19:34:36 <czr> Khertan, heh :-)
Jan 12 19:34:52 <Khertan> lcuk: yes but can found it in the log :)
Jan 12 19:34:55 <czr> I could probably be forced to drink some cognac, now that everybody is forcing it on me..
Jan 12 19:34:59 <lcuk> vodka is best enjoyed in jelly form
Jan 12 19:35:12 <Khertan> jelly form ?
Jan 12 19:35:16 <lcuk> kher was just gonna say
Jan 12 19:35:19 <czr> heh
Jan 12 19:35:22 <lcuk> yer, jelly vodka
Jan 12 19:35:28 <czr> I drank some jelly shots back some days ago
Jan 12 19:35:29 <lcuk> perfect at adult parties :)
Jan 12 19:35:37 <czr> served by a very pretty blonde waitress too
Jan 12 19:35:51 <Khertan> don't understand what jelly means :)
Jan 12 19:35:55 <Lahiru> hi any KDE developer here>? I'm gonna port some new applications ...
Jan 12 19:36:31 <Khertan> jelly ... oh ... 'gellé' in french
Jan 12 19:36:50 <lcuk> wobbly stuff at kids parties :)
Jan 12 19:36:55 <czr> yeah, they stole the word from american!
Jan 12 19:37:12 <Khertan> right .... always in jelly forms for vodka ... other is a Sacrilège
Jan 12 19:37:25 <czr> I normally just drink it straight
Jan 12 19:37:33 <czr> anything else is really just spoiling the vodka
Jan 12 19:37:40 <Khertan> héhé
Jan 12 19:37:43 <lcuk> lol
Jan 12 19:37:47 <czr> but I guess that's just me (I'm russian)
Jan 12 19:38:24 <Khertan> jelly ... > i m talking aboot let s the vodka one hour in the freezer then drink it ... nothing else
Jan 12 19:38:32 <Khertan> s/aboot/about
Jan 12 19:38:47 <czr> exactly
Jan 12 19:39:06 <Khertan> it s the only way ...
Jan 12 19:39:08 <Khertan> :)
Jan 12 19:39:13 <Khertan> i'm french .. :)
Jan 12 19:39:51 <lcuk> back later im off shoppin
Jan 12 19:39:56 <Khertan> ok there is a russian in my far familly
Jan 12 19:40:02 <czr> Khertan, see!
Jan 12 19:41:34 <Khertan> checking for a Python interpreter with version >= 2.4... configure: error: no suitable Python interpreter found
Jan 12 19:41:37 <Khertan> oups ww
Jan 12 19:42:38 <Khertan> hum ... maybe someone can help me : so ... i m trying to replace the python in scratchbox by a more recent python2.5, but ... i ve some problem
Jan 12 19:42:41 <Lahiru> KDE developers for n800??
Jan 12 19:43:12 <skibur> ?
Jan 12 19:43:17 <skibur> KDE
Jan 12 19:43:25 <skibur> I'm running KDE on my N800
Jan 12 19:43:25 <shackan> Khertan: don't build it, use the python2.5 packages, so you have the same python environment on the tablet and in scratchbox
Jan 12 19:43:38 <Khertan> i ve try this export SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE=/usr/bin/python
Jan 12 19:43:54 <Khertan> shackan: i don't build it ... i try to use it to build :)
Jan 12 19:44:21 <Khertan> but doesn't seems to work as they say in the doc ... snif
Jan 12 19:44:29 <shackan> so you already have 2.5 or what?
Jan 12 19:45:06 <Khertan> yes ... packages installed
Jan 12 19:45:19 <Khertan> which python
Jan 12 19:45:26 <Khertan> /scratchbox/tools/bin/python
Jan 12 19:45:34 <Khertan> :(
Jan 12 19:45:58 <Khertan> it use the one installed in scratchbox
Jan 12 19:46:38 <Khertan> or maybe i can look where python is called in building process to replace it ... but can't found
Jan 12 19:46:48 <Lahiru> skibur: I would like to port some kde apps for n800
Jan 12 19:46:59 <skibur> same here
Jan 12 19:47:12 <Lahiru> skibur: looking for some guidance :)
Jan 12 19:47:16 <skibur> Do you have KDE running at the moment?
Jan 12 19:47:26 <Lahiru> skibur: yes.
Jan 12 19:47:35 <skibur> Nice, Me too
Jan 12 19:47:53 <Lahiru> how can we start porting more apps?
Jan 12 19:48:14 <Lahiru> skibur: I'm doing some kde devs but not for n800
Jan 12 19:48:24 <skibur> I'm waiting for PenguinBait to come online for some Guidance myself
Jan 12 19:48:28 <Lahiru> skibur: so I need some help to get started :)
Jan 12 19:48:37 <Lahiru> ah great!
Jan 12 19:48:55 <skibur> PenguinBait is the one currently working on it
Jan 12 19:49:02 <Lahiru> skibur: have u started porting
Jan 12 19:49:15 <Lahiru> yes I was looking for him
Jan 12 19:49:24 <skibur> I'm working on my environment
Jan 12 19:49:25 <skibur> :)
Jan 12 19:49:48 <j0tt> well the current kde "installation" is not "debianized" so any dependencies (within a deb) would rely on penguinbaits build..
Jan 12 19:50:15 <skibur> Lahiru, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=126284#post126284
Jan 12 19:50:23 <skibur> look for my comment
Jan 12 19:50:53 <skibur> correct
Jan 12 19:50:53 <Lahiru> skibur: Thanks
Jan 12 19:51:14 <Lahiru> j0tt: ah
Jan 12 19:52:46 * skibur liking KDE 4.0
Jan 12 19:53:10 * jott just started to build kde4libs :)
Jan 12 19:53:35 <Lahiru> skibur: jott http://picasaweb.google.com/llahiru/MyN800WithKDE
Jan 12 19:53:49 <skibur> checking...
Jan 12 19:54:48 <skibur> nice
Jan 12 19:55:17 <skibur> skibur.com  --->  Early stages of Pixil on Nintendo DS Lite + Linux + GUI
Jan 12 19:55:28 <skibur> I was helping with that project
Jan 12 19:55:30 <skibur> :P
Jan 12 19:57:48 <Lahiru> cool :)
Jan 12 20:04:10 <melmoth> Khertan: dont know if it s related , but yet another python/scratchbox mystery: http://www.nemein.com/people/piotras/view/1200136336.html
Jan 12 20:07:28 <mbuf> maemo-qemu-sdk.tar.bz2 consists of only binaries or source code as well?
Jan 12 20:09:10 * petergunn666 has just installed KDE
Jan 12 20:09:13 <petergunn666> woohoo! :-)
Jan 12 20:09:30 <shack008n> how  can i remove the 'contacts' panel?
Jan 12 20:10:04 <GeneralAntilles> In KDE or Matchbox?
Jan 12 20:10:24 <shack008n> GeneralAntilles: matchbox
Jan 12 20:10:36 <GeneralAntilles> Same way you add or remove any other Home applet.
Jan 12 20:10:40 <GeneralAntilles> Go to the Home menu.
Jan 12 20:10:46 <shack008n> nono
Jan 12 20:11:02 <shack008n> the panel icon  on the left bar
Jan 12 20:11:05 <Khertan> melmoth: same thing
Jan 12 20:11:26 <GeneralAntilles> You don't, shack008n.
Jan 12 20:11:35 <Khertan> melmoth: scratchbox bind /usr/bin/python in /scratchbox/tools/bin/python
Jan 12 20:11:54 <shack008n> it just takes up space, ii don't use the default chat and mail clients
Jan 12 20:12:02 <Khertan> but if you change it by a python2.5 ... chmod don't work as some other standart command ... don't know why
Jan 12 20:12:43 <GeneralAntilles> You should at least use the built-in client, Pidgin is nasty on the tablets. :P
Jan 12 20:12:55 <Khertan> so i m trying to tweak the configure and automake file to use python2.5 instead of python ...
Jan 12 20:13:07 <GeneralAntilles> Hopefully rtcomm will release a non-beta update soon.
Jan 12 20:13:14 <Khertan> but this not work
Jan 12 20:13:21 <melmoth> Khertan: where did you get the sources/source package from ?
Jan 12 20:13:54 <keesj> what is rtcomm?
Jan 12 20:14:07 <GeneralAntilles> rtcomm.garage.maemo.org
Jan 12 20:14:10 <shack008n> GeneralAntilles: quite the contrary, pidgin is fine, the default client, even with the beta update, sucks dogs nuts
Jan 12 20:14:17 <GeneralAntilles> Bull
Jan 12 20:14:21 <GeneralAntilles> Pidgin is gross.
Jan 12 20:14:25 <GeneralAntilles> Gotta keep it open all the time
Jan 12 20:14:38 <GeneralAntilles> default-client is all nicely automated
Jan 12 20:14:48 <GeneralAntilles> don't have to manage it all the time
Jan 12 20:14:57 <shack008n> at least it dooes work
Jan 12 20:15:06 <GeneralAntilles> rtcomm works fine for me
Jan 12 20:15:14 <melmoth> Khertan: or, can you put your current sourcetree somewhere ? i have nothing to do for a couple of hours, giving it a try could be...interesting.
Jan 12 20:15:16 <keesj> GeneralAntilles: so "native" irc client now possible?
Jan 12 20:15:23 <GeneralAntilles> Pidgin takes up valuable task switcher space.
Jan 12 20:15:30 <melmoth> plus, i would love to be able to be able to code python applet too :)
Jan 12 20:15:40 <GeneralAntilles> keesj, yes, but it's a bit lightweight as an IRC client.
Jan 12 20:15:42 <shack008n> try entering an irc channel with more than 200 people sand/or using msn
Jan 12 20:15:43 <GeneralAntilles> xchat is better
Jan 12 20:16:20 <Khertan> melmoth: i ven't any source tree .. but it 's on stage.maemo.org : svn co https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/python-hildondesktop
Jan 12 20:16:28 <melmoth> ok.thanks
Jan 12 20:16:45 <shack008n> GeneralAntilles: i can save on panel space without the damn contacts icon
Jan 12 20:17:03 <GeneralAntilles> Eh, well that's not an option right now.
Jan 12 20:17:22 <shack008n> at least, is there gconf-editor for 2088?
Jan 12 20:17:31 <shack008n> '2008
Jan 12 20:21:35 <czr> gconftool-2 ;-)
Jan 12 20:25:20 <oil_> so, do we have an 'application for masses' irc client for maemo already?
Jan 12 20:25:30 <melmoth> Khertan: if i do 'export PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.5' at least, the configure work.
Jan 12 20:26:16 <Khertan> gnéééééé
Jan 12 20:26:23 <melmoth> ohh, but then lots of sem_post
Jan 12 20:26:28 <melmoth> error message as you mentionned
Jan 12 20:26:29 <Khertan> lol
Jan 12 20:26:50 <Khertan> that is the fun ... you need a patched version of qemu
Jan 12 20:26:56 <melmoth> crap.
Jan 12 20:27:05 <Khertan> export doesn't work on my installation
Jan 12 20:28:40 <melmoth> happyly enough, my scractchbox is in a xen machine..I ll just copy it and try to aptch qemu.. If i break everything, who cares :)
Jan 12 20:39:33 <zuh> Switching qemu versions in scratchbox is as easy as editing /targets/foo.config and changing the SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD to point to the new one... Pretty safe too, as you can then just revert the change and everything works like it used to.
Jan 12 20:47:49 <Khertan> melmoth: http://maemogeek.blogspot.com/2007/11/installing-qemu-arm-eabi-patch-into.html
Jan 12 20:47:56 <Khertan> it work like a charm
Jan 12 20:48:05 <Iogann_nout> Guys where do I download this video compressoe for n800
Jan 12 20:48:07 <Iogann_nout> ?
Jan 12 20:53:03 <edt> What key does microG see the select button on the dpad as?
Jan 12 20:53:29 <edt> Eg left is VF_LEFT what is select?
Jan 12 20:56:11 <melmoth> Khertan: compilation of qemu fails with:
Jan 12 20:56:11 <melmoth> /home/user/qemu/qemu-arm-eabi/trunk/linux-user/syscall.c:409: undefined reference to `inotify_add_watch'
Jan 12 20:56:27 <melmoth> any idea if it may be just something like a -dev packaeg to install ?
Jan 12 20:57:33 <melmoth> like..kernel dev or something ?
Jan 12 21:02:31 <melmoth> Khertan: wich package gives inotify.h ?
Jan 12 21:03:59 <melmoth> hm, i got it /usr/include/linux/inotify.h, so it s naother problem
Jan 12 21:04:53 <|tbb|> anyone knows how to clear the display in ossoxterm
Jan 12 21:05:10 <czr> clear?
Jan 12 21:05:21 <|tbb|> wont work
Jan 12 21:05:26 <czr> reset
Jan 12 21:05:32 <jhe> how about ctrl-l?
Jan 12 21:06:17 <|tbb|> from script
Jan 12 21:08:28 <|tbb|> i hate ctrl button of hardware keyboard of the n810 on the left side, ctrl +l for open location in browser is hard to do also some other keystrokes
Jan 12 21:09:33 <blackmad> Exception exceptions.KeyError: 'dbus_interface' in 'dbus_bindings._GIL_safe_cmessage_function_handler' ignored
Jan 12 21:09:43 <blackmad> hey
Jan 12 21:09:44 <blackmad> Exception exceptions.KeyError: 'dbus_interface' in 'dbus_bindings._GIL_safe_cmessage_function_handler' ignored
Jan 12 21:09:55 <blackmad> I have no idea what this error means, can anyone help me out?
Jan 12 21:11:57 <melmoth> |tbb|: add a ctrl-l button, you can add button with whatever shortcut you like, just add a <ctrl>l one
Jan 12 21:12:59 <|tbb|> where you mean in xterm?
Jan 12 21:13:12 <|tbb|> i mean for all applications
Jan 12 21:13:43 * lcuk watches the keybindings debate intently.  i want a tab key on 810
Jan 12 21:13:45 <|tbb|> again, how can i clear the xterm screen from sh script
Jan 12 21:14:32 <GeneralAntilles> Don't echo?
Jan 12 21:16:20 <jsmith> |tbb|: clr
Jan 12 21:17:17 <|tbb|> nope osso-xterm btw
Jan 12 21:23:45 * petergunn666 is running an mplayer test to see how long his external battery lasts
Jan 12 21:26:58 <lcuk> hardware hack:   if i build a pin for pin connection with 2 female usb connections then plug my nokia usb extension into one end and a standard usb keyboard in the other will it theoretically work?
Jan 12 21:28:32 <lcuk> n810------nokiausbcable------->[myfemale1]--solder---[myfemale2]<------------------usbkeyboard
Jan 12 21:28:45 <Tama> only if there is enough power
Jan 12 21:28:56 <petergunn666> hmmm.. you could just buy a AF-AF connector?
Jan 12 21:29:06 <lcuk> i could if the shops were open
Jan 12 21:29:29 * lcuk is impatient
Jan 12 21:29:36 <petergunn666> I think it will work
Jan 12 21:30:03 <petergunn666> u still have to do the software hack tho
Jan 12 21:30:25 <lcuk> reading up about usb OTG, it should connect with legacy usb and as long as they dont drain the power it will be ok
Jan 12 21:30:36 <lcuk> peter - what software?
Jan 12 21:30:50 <petergunn666> host mode switch
Jan 12 21:30:59 <lcuk> no - 810 is USB OTG by default
Jan 12 21:31:05 <lcuk> there is no hostmode available on 810
Jan 12 21:31:21 * petergunn666 has n800
Jan 12 21:31:45 <lcuk> yer - i read about the changes needed for 800 - it got in the way of a lot of my searching ;)
Jan 12 21:31:53 <petergunn666> I think you still need hostmode active
Jan 12 21:32:03 <blackmad> what's the code name for os 2007?
Jan 12 21:32:12 <|tbb|> bora
Jan 12 21:33:22 <lcuk> right - ill try it it will either work or it wont
Jan 12 21:33:27 <lcuk> will report back later
Jan 12 21:33:42 <Tama_> arrgh
Jan 12 21:33:55 <Tama_> the internetS went down
Jan 12 21:34:26 <Luria> no, you just got caught in a downtube
Jan 12 21:34:30 <Tama_> n810----> powered hub ---> keyboard is a better idea
Jan 12 21:35:08 <Delio> now I have the right nickname
Jan 12 21:35:53 <blackmad> I'm trying to write a python program to listen on some system signals, but it doesn't seem to be getting any information about the signals -- what am I doing wrong? http://whizziwig.googlepages.com/rec1
Jan 12 21:37:41 <blackmad> my callback is invoked every time I plug/unplug the system power, but args & kwargs are emoty
Jan 12 21:41:05 <Delio> not sure but usually args for callbacks are set when you setup the callback -->     bus.add_signal_receiver(handler_function=gdl_changed)
Jan 12 21:41:39 <melmoth> Khertan: same problem with upstream inotifytool, i cannot build the patched qemu.... giving up :-(
Jan 12 21:45:03 <sxpert> is the fm receiver still there in the 810 ?
Jan 12 21:46:17 <GeneralAntilles> No, sxpert.
Jan 12 21:46:22 <sxpert> ah.;;;;;
Jan 12 21:46:27 <sxpert> too bad
Jan 12 21:47:07 <jott> who needs fm if there is ip? ;)
Jan 12 21:47:13 <blackmad> http://stefans.datenbruch.de/nokia770/ claims that when I put the cover on my 770, I should see "signal if=org.kernel.kevent; mtd=change; snd=:1.6; dtl=n/a" ... but I don't see that with dbus-monitor --session or --system
Jan 12 21:47:17 <blackmad> why?
Jan 12 21:47:33 <sxpert> jott, to listen to the trafic info radio while driving ?
Jan 12 21:47:47 <GeneralAntilles> No sideband.
Jan 12 21:47:51 <sxpert> (and where there's no ip connectivity available)
Jan 12 21:48:03 <GeneralAntilles> No AM, either.
Jan 12 21:48:14 <jott> sxpert: just kidding.... and get a decent data plan ;)
Jan 12 21:48:25 <sxpert> jott, no such thing around here
Jan 12 21:49:10 <Delio> what's the pricing for the 800 vs 810 in the US?
Jan 12 21:49:43 <GeneralAntilles> $200-$240 versus $400-$470
Jan 12 21:49:45 <sxpert> it appears to be 499 eur, so I suspect it's 499 usd (despite 1usd = .65 eur)
Jan 12 21:49:57 <blackmad> is there something I need to do to enable seeing kernel events?
Jan 12 21:50:16 <Delio> I saw the price in Euro and I was wondering if the situation was the same for the US pricing
Jan 12 21:50:22 <Delio> quite the difference
Jan 12 21:50:46 <sxpert> we europeans are getting shafted, be if from dell, nokia, apple or any other
Jan 12 21:51:17 <GeneralAntilles> It's your socialist tendencies. :P
Jan 12 21:51:19 <Delio> -FM +GPS +CUTER_DESIGN +KEYBOARD
Jan 12 21:51:30 <Delio> lol @ socialist tendencies
Jan 12 21:51:55 <sxpert> GeneralAntilles, ah, no, there's one thing that's better. we don't have to pay through the nose to get medical care
Jan 12 21:52:15 <Delio> well, there are things that are better ;)
Jan 12 21:52:40 <Delio> but let's not start a flamewar right here shall we?
Jan 12 21:54:55 <Delio> I'm happy with my 800 anyway, BT keyboard to the rescue
Jan 12 21:55:45 <blackmad> is that guy making stuff up when he says the 770 reports cover on/off events?
Jan 12 21:55:47 <blackmad> I can't see them
Jan 12 21:56:02 <Delio> I have no idea blackmad
Jan 12 21:56:26 <blackmad> maybe it's in a later OS version, and not in 2.x?
Jan 12 21:56:50 <blackmad> is it worth trying 2007 hacker edition?
Jan 12 21:57:19 <Delio> DO not ask me I am a n00b
Jan 12 21:57:44 <melmoth> if i had a n770, i ll try it without hesitation.
Jan 12 21:57:53 <melmoth> s/ll/would/
Jan 12 21:57:53 <infobot> melmoth meant: if i had a n770, i would try it without hesitation.
Jan 12 21:58:44 <Epeloon> Hi
Jan 12 21:59:15 <Vytas> Does that edition bring any significant improvements?
Jan 12 21:59:22 <Vytas> cause I own 770
Jan 12 21:59:26 <sxpert> Delio, the sad thing is that an FM receiver device is *really* small.;;
Jan 12 21:59:35 <sxpert> so, they could probably have kept the thing
Jan 12 21:59:41 <Epeloon> I've just received my new n800. I upgrade it to os2008 manually using the file on maemo website and using the software updater from Nokia website
Jan 12 21:59:49 <sxpert> unless they didn't have enough I/O adding the kb
Jan 12 22:00:03 <Epeloon> i checked for updates, and i found an update for "maps"
Jan 12 22:00:16 <melmoth> all i know about is it comes with more python goodness (as far as i know there are no gnome-fvs nor gnome-gconf python module for the python2.5 in the non hacker edition)
Jan 12 22:00:43 <Delio> FM is legacy technology ;)
Jan 12 22:00:46 <Epeloon> i tried to download it but i get a message saying that the update can't be done because they are nor from the same provider
Jan 12 22:00:58 <Epeloon> so, can someone help me with that? Thanks.
Jan 12 22:01:00 <Delio> Epeloon: yes and it tells you it cannot be installed right?
Jan 12 22:01:05 <Epeloon> yes :D
Jan 12 22:01:12 <Delio> 1. remove maps
Jan 12 22:01:15 <Delio> 2. install maps
Jan 12 22:01:20 <Delio> 3. be merry
Jan 12 22:01:22 <Delio> ;)
Jan 12 22:01:22 <Epeloon> ? remove what i have?
Jan 12 22:01:26 <Delio> yes
Jan 12 22:01:41 <Epeloon> where can i found it?
Jan 12 22:01:53 <Epeloon> control panel?
Jan 12 22:02:03 <Delio> I think it is listed in the 'installed applications'
Jan 12 22:02:08 <Epeloon> ah ok, thanks
Jan 12 22:02:13 <Epeloon> another small question
Jan 12 22:02:26 <GeneralAntilles> Delio, the N800 is the better than the N810, anyway.
Jan 12 22:02:27 <Epeloon> is this map better than using maemomapper with google maps?
Jan 12 22:03:12 <Delio> you have to try it out, it depends. I find meamomapper to be a pain when zooming in/out
Jan 12 22:03:21 <Epeloon> :D
Jan 12 22:03:25 <Epeloon> ah ok
Jan 12 22:03:45 <Epeloon> If i use it with a GPS will i get direction with voice?
Jan 12 22:03:59 <Delio> GeneralAntilles: do you think? I believe I can live without a KB and the N800 is pretty good for the price.
Jan 12 22:04:09 <GeneralAntilles> sxpert, well, considering they couldn't even put a decent SD slot in. :P
Jan 12 22:04:15 <Delio> Epeloon: for 7 days trial, then you have to fork over some $$$
Jan 12 22:04:20 <GeneralAntilles> The fullscreen-keyboard is pretty good, anyway.
Jan 12 22:04:23 <sxpert> GeneralAntilles, heh
Jan 12 22:04:31 <Epeloon> Euhh ...? I thought it was free :D
Jan 12 22:04:42 <GeneralAntilles> You want maemo mapper for free
Jan 12 22:04:42 <Delio> ah true... the SD slot :(
Jan 12 22:04:55 <sxpert> Epeloon, openstreetmap what you're looking for
Jan 12 22:04:57 <Epeloon> is maemo mapper free or not?
Jan 12 22:05:07 <sxpert> maemo mapper uses it
Jan 12 22:05:35 <GeneralAntilles> Of course it's better. Cheaper, lighter, better storage, better buttons.
Jan 12 22:05:46 <Epeloon> ok, so the maps are not free but mamemo mapper, the program, is free, right?
Jan 12 22:05:54 <sxpert> hmm. no
Jan 12 22:05:57 <Epeloon> :D
Jan 12 22:06:15 <l7> some of the maps that maemo mapper users are copyrighted
Jan 12 22:06:21 <sxpert> you have the maps program that uses proprietary maps and has to be paid for
Jan 12 22:06:24 <l7> some are not i guess
Jan 12 22:06:32 <Delio> GeneralAntilles: I ordered a 16Gb SD, hopefully it will work. It should. I just hope they haven't put some hardwired limitations somewhere
Jan 12 22:06:35 <sxpert> and you have maemo mapper which uses openstreetmap data (which is free)
Jan 12 22:06:36 <GeneralAntilles> Epeloon, maps for "Map" are free
Jan 12 22:06:37 <Epeloon> ok, i have a better question for that :D
Jan 12 22:06:38 <GeneralAntilles> navigation is nnot
Jan 12 22:06:44 <GeneralAntilles> everything is free for maemo mapper.
Jan 12 22:07:05 <Epeloon> What most users here use for GPS location (with and w/o voice) and which is Free :D?
Jan 12 22:07:10 <l7> that built in map program for os2008 is pretty lousy though
Jan 12 22:07:13 <GeneralAntilles> maemo mapper.
Jan 12 22:07:18 <sxpert> Epeloon, also, you can participate in making better openstreetmap data
Jan 12 22:07:33 <GeneralAntilles> maemo mapper also uses VirtualEarth and Google
Jan 12 22:07:43 <Epeloon> is openstreetmap working with maemo mapper?
Jan 12 22:07:48 <l7> yes
Jan 12 22:08:06 <l7> i've been wondering why google's hybrid maps are not supported
Jan 12 22:08:17 <l7> granted, VE's hybrid maps are pretty good too
Jan 12 22:08:19 <Epeloon> sp, if i use maemo mapper with Google, what should pay? everything is free in this case, no?
Jan 12 22:08:38 <sxpert> Epeloon, might not be totally legal though
Jan 12 22:08:49 <Epeloon> why?
Jan 12 22:08:58 <Epeloon> Google maps are available for free on web
Jan 12 22:09:09 <Epeloon> it's like opening a website and look for a direction, no?
Jan 12 22:09:23 <sxpert> Epeloon, yeah, but you don't get to see the ads
Jan 12 22:09:23 <Khertan> PYTHON HOME PLUGIN WORK !!!!ù
Jan 12 22:09:31 <Khertan> Yeah ...
Jan 12 22:09:35 <Khertan> pffff
Jan 12 22:10:15 <l7> i don't remember seeing ads on google map's website
Jan 12 22:10:22 <Epeloon> ads? where? i never saw ads on maps.google.ca
Jan 12 22:10:22 <l7> it might be a TOS violation though
Jan 12 22:10:25 <sxpert> there's one thing though with maemo mapper, in that it doesn't start gpsd
Jan 12 22:10:27 <Epeloon> :D
Jan 12 22:10:54 <melmoth> Khertan: bravo !
Jan 12 22:10:56 <sxpert> and then it complains about not being able to find the GPS (obviously)
Jan 12 22:11:14 <melmoth> I gave up becasue i was not even able to compile the patched qemu...
Jan 12 22:11:16 <l7> how do you start gpsd then?
Jan 12 22:11:20 <Khertan> melmoth: thx
Jan 12 22:11:33 <Delio> khertan: which plugin is that? :)
Jan 12 22:11:39 <Khertan> i can now start to make many plugin ...
Jan 12 22:11:57 <Khertan> Delio: homememstat.py
Jan 12 22:11:59 <Epeloon> is there a simple way to install maemomapper? how should i do it?
Jan 12 22:12:02 <Khertan> a python home plugin
Jan 12 22:12:07 <melmoth> Khertan: please post any change you have made to the garage owner, and push for a release :)
Jan 12 22:12:22 <Khertan> need some test ...
Jan 12 22:12:31 <Khertan> but i ve some time tomorrow
Jan 12 22:12:40 <melmoth> weekends++
Jan 12 22:13:00 <Delio> khertan: err yes but what does it do? ;-P
Jan 12 22:13:24 <melmoth> Delio: it should let one create those desktop applet in python.
Jan 12 22:13:38 <Delio> great stuff
Jan 12 22:14:08 <sxpert> Epeloon, go to maemo.org, and find it in the list of programs
Jan 12 22:14:10 <Epeloon> i found the "maemo-mapper.install". So, what shoud i do after that?
Jan 12 22:14:56 <Epeloon> and i fould also the .deb i think
Jan 12 22:15:01 <Epeloon> found
Jan 12 22:15:20 <GeneralAntilles> Just install it from Extras
Jan 12 22:15:24 <GeneralAntilles> It'll be in App Manager.
Jan 12 22:15:40 <GeneralAntilles> l7, because the hybrid maps aren't bitmaps
Jan 12 22:15:47 <GeneralAntilles> they're hybridized by the AJAX
Jan 12 22:16:18 <GeneralAntilles> sxpert, you sure?
Jan 12 22:16:25 <GeneralAntilles> I'm pretty certain that was fixed in a more recent version.
Jan 12 22:16:27 <Epeloon> i doanload the .deb using the browser on my n800 and i'll found it on the APP Extras?
Jan 12 22:16:43 <GeneralAntilles> Application Manager
Jan 12 22:16:50 <Epeloon> :D
Jan 12 22:16:50 <GeneralAntilles> Do you have the Extras repository enabled?
Jan 12 22:16:55 <Epeloon> sorry, i mean APP manager
Jan 12 22:17:01 <Epeloon> i don't think so
Jan 12 22:17:03 <GeneralAntilles> In maemo, pretty much all of your application installing should be done through the Application Manager.
Jan 12 22:17:05 <Epeloon> this is a new tablet
Jan 12 22:17:09 <GeneralAntilles> Open it up
Jan 12 22:17:11 <sxpert> GeneralAntilles, yeah. I just installed it
Jan 12 22:17:27 <Epeloon> ok
Jan 12 22:17:43 <GeneralAntilles> Go to the the menu
Jan 12 22:17:49 <GeneralAntilles> Go to Tools
Jan 12 22:17:53 <GeneralAntilles> edit the repositories
Jan 12 22:17:56 <GeneralAntilles> tap on Extra
Jan 12 22:17:57 <GeneralAntilles> s
Jan 12 22:17:59 <GeneralAntilles> enable it
Jan 12 22:18:02 <GeneralAntilles> (uncheck disabled)
Jan 12 22:18:14 <Epeloon> it is still loading :)
Jan 12 22:19:36 <Epeloon> sorry, but where can i find the menu -> tools?
Jan 12 22:19:40 <Epeloon> i have os2008
Jan 12 22:19:44 <GeneralAntilles> Tap the menu
Jan 12 22:19:48 <GeneralAntilles> The application menu
Jan 12 22:19:51 <GeneralAntilles> up at the top.
Jan 12 22:20:21 <Epeloon> with 4 squares?
Jan 12 22:21:46 <Epeloon> in the menu button?
Jan 12 22:22:08 <Epeloon> i found only set background ... theme .. help
Jan 12 22:22:16 <l7> GeneralAntilles: ah, good to know.  good thing VE's are bitmaps
Jan 12 22:23:42 <Epeloon> ok, i found Tools in the Apllication manager
Jan 12 22:24:12 <spirytusick> lo all
Jan 12 22:24:15 <Epeloon> i found maemo extras, but it looks disabled
Jan 12 22:24:46 <lcuk> direct keyboard does not work.  i will check with a powered hub tomorrow.
Jan 12 22:24:47 <Epeloon> i did it, enabled :)
Jan 12 22:26:22 <Epeloon> after downloading maemo mapper, what can i use it? is there a website for maemomappere newbie? thanks.
Jan 12 22:26:33 <drwx> hi, is it possible to have a java virtual machine on maemo?
Jan 12 22:27:29 <GeneralAntilles> It's got a great built-in help, Epeloon.
Jan 12 22:27:39 <GeneralAntilles> I wrote up an intro guide on ITT
Jan 12 22:27:44 <GeneralAntilles> You should be able to find it if you search.
Jan 12 22:27:51 <rm_you> morning :)
Jan 12 22:27:53 <GeneralAntilles> drwx, only for console apps.
Jan 12 22:28:18 <drwx> GeneralAntilles, do you know where I can found it?
Jan 12 22:28:21 <Epeloon> thanks general, i'll look for it
Jan 12 22:28:26 <GeneralAntilles> Somewhere
Jan 12 22:28:28 <GeneralAntilles> Google it.
Jan 12 22:28:44 <Delio> morning rm
Jan 12 22:28:58 <Delio> you guys think a 16Gb SD should work?
Jan 12 22:29:13 <melmoth> haha, if your project use the garage svn repository, have a look looking for it there: http://www.ohloh.net/
Jan 12 22:29:24 <GeneralAntilles> Delio, cards up to 2048GB will work.
Jan 12 22:29:25 <lcuk> morning rm
Jan 12 22:29:31 <spirytusick> Dello: I suppose if it's SDHC then it should
Jan 12 22:29:38 <drwx> I used mono on my N800, and I did some programs : http://graphmonkey.sourceforge.net/maemo/maemo.html
Jan 12 22:29:40 <lcuk> will give you a bug report after watching tv with missus was just leaving
Jan 12 22:29:49 <Delio> well that is what SDHC standard says...
Jan 12 22:29:54 <melmoth> nice statistics + there a funny Project Cost estimator :)
Jan 12 22:29:58 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: But not with FAT32 :)... it should be called THIN32 btw...
Jan 12 22:30:32 <lcuk> back later
Jan 12 22:30:47 <rm_you> lol
Jan 12 22:35:23 * spirytusick wonders whether the PowerVR core will ever be usable from N8x0...
Jan 12 22:37:19 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Jan 12 22:37:30 <cgreer> Hello, when I put in my memory card it says that it is "corrupted or unformatted"
Jan 12 22:37:35 <GeneralAntilles> I'm still betting it's an issue with the LCD controller.
Jan 12 22:37:43 <GeneralAntilles> Then format it, cgreer!
Jan 12 22:37:45 <Delio> is it used for anything at the moment?
Jan 12 22:37:55 <cgreer> I tried reformatting it with the file manager
Jan 12 22:38:04 <cgreer> It doesn't work
Jan 12 22:38:33 <GeneralAntilles> PowerVR? No.
Jan 12 22:38:33 <DuneSandWorm> if you have a digital camera it might gix it.
Jan 12 22:38:58 <GeneralAntilles> But we're not using the chip's LCD controller
Jan 12 22:39:01 <GeneralAntilles> It's a 3rd party controller
Jan 12 22:39:15 <GeneralAntilles> which, I think, is part of the reason we're not using PowerVR
Jan 12 22:39:22 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: Even if the Cpu is exactly the same as with other PoverVER products and N800 is listed as one of the devices using it on povervr page ?
Jan 12 22:39:24 <GeneralAntilles> and THE reason we're not using the hardware video acceleration
Jan 12 22:39:41 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: well there was the radio no one thought it is there ...
Jan 12 22:39:45 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: then the app appeared
Jan 12 22:41:23 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: Perhaps the battery toll was not worth the speed up but it would be cool to have a gpu around...
Jan 12 22:41:39 <GeneralAntilles> Different issue
Jan 12 22:41:49 <GeneralAntilles> There aren't technical issues with using the FM chip.
Jan 12 22:42:40 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: are there issues with the PowerVR? like, if someone had code that ran on it... we couldn't try to make it work? or is it like the DSP, where just like no one knows how to write for it :P
Jan 12 22:43:41 <spirytusick> Assuming the hardware is in place someone skilled enough should be able to utilise it.
Jan 12 22:44:07 <spirytusick> even if it was just for scaling the images in the viewer...
Jan 12 22:44:34 <Epeloon> how can i know the processor speed of n800 using os2008?
Jan 12 22:46:23 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you, well, we don't have drivers
Jan 12 22:46:26 <GeneralAntilles> so there's no way to use it.
Jan 12 22:46:42 <rm_you> :/
Jan 12 22:46:54 <rm_you> shouldn't it be... NOKIA's job to write those?
Jan 12 22:47:01 <GeneralAntilles> My belief, is that the reason we don't have them is because the performance with the 3rd party LCD controller is going to be sub-par, so Nokia decided not to have them written.
Jan 12 22:47:13 <GeneralAntilles> cat /proc/cpuinfo
Jan 12 22:47:15 <rm_you> >_>
Jan 12 22:47:23 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: cpuinfo doesnt list it tho :/
Jan 12 22:47:26 <rm_you> on mine at least
Jan 12 22:47:48 <spirytusick> it's like buying a new hybrid car only to find out that the petrol engine is there but they forgot to fit the tank
Jan 12 22:47:50 <GeneralAntilles> bogomips
Jan 12 22:47:57 <GeneralAntilles> Bull, spirytusick.
Jan 12 22:48:05 <rm_you> oh hey... it does now :P
Jan 12 22:48:06 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia never advertised it.
Jan 12 22:48:11 <GeneralAntilles> It's an SoC
Jan 12 22:48:16 <GeneralAntilles> They couldn't have use the chip without it.
Jan 12 22:48:18 <rm_you> lol
Jan 12 22:48:43 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: Even though, I think they missed big on that
Jan 12 22:48:50 <GeneralAntilles> What other option did they have?
Jan 12 22:48:55 <GeneralAntilles> There weren't any other chips to use.
Jan 12 22:48:56 <Zic> re
Jan 12 22:49:05 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: simply to release the drivers
Jan 12 22:49:09 <rm_you> wait, powervr is part of what chip?
Jan 12 22:49:17 <Delio> GeneralAntilles: other products using the powerVR?
Jan 12 22:49:19 <spirytusick> they do have experience with those on all newer N-series phones
Jan 12 22:49:22 <rm_you> i thought it was a seperate chip
Jan 12 22:49:42 <GeneralAntilles> So they had to use a 3rd party controller to drive 800x480
Jan 12 22:49:46 <|tbb|> why is it there if no1 use it
Jan 12 22:49:53 <GeneralAntilles> No, rm_you, it's part of the OMAP core
Jan 12 22:49:55 <spirytusick> n93, n95, e90, n95-8gb all use the same chip
Jan 12 22:50:01 <rm_you> ah
Jan 12 22:50:04 <jott> basically the main drivers are provided by imagination technology.. (as closed source ones)
Jan 12 22:50:06 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: no one needs the full screen
Jan 12 22:50:10 <GeneralAntilles> Because you can't get the OMAP core without the video decoder and the PowerVR.
Jan 12 22:50:24 <GeneralAntilles> spirytusick, the end user is going to expect it to work a certain way, and it wont.
Jan 12 22:50:34 <GeneralAntilles> I don't AGREE with the fact that they didn't provide drivers.
Jan 12 22:50:44 <GeneralAntilles> I'm just telling you my reasoning as to why I believe that they haven't.
Jan 12 22:50:47 <Moox> hi there. I have a problem using mediaserv and videocenter. Can you help me ?
Jan 12 22:50:55 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: ackowledged
Jan 12 22:51:00 <jott> so getting them is more of a political issue (besides the technical restrictions with the lcd)
Jan 12 22:51:19 <jott> and a financial too ..
Jan 12 22:51:20 <GeneralAntilles> Nokia would have to pay to get the drivers.
Jan 12 22:51:30 <GeneralAntilles> For various reasons, they don't want to.
Jan 12 22:51:36 <GeneralAntilles> Now, the N900
Jan 12 22:51:38 <spirytusick> jott: nokia and povervr are already partners
Jan 12 22:51:42 <GeneralAntilles> that's gonna be another story.
Jan 12 22:51:54 <GeneralAntilles> That HAS to be the OMAP3430
Jan 12 22:51:54 <spirytusick> the core libs and dev pack can be downloaded from povervr website
Jan 12 22:51:55 <jott> spirytusick: they still would have to pay for licensing the linux drivers..
Jan 12 22:52:04 <GeneralAntilles> whose LCD controller can handle up to 1024x768
Jan 12 22:52:21 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: probably not out until next x-mass
Jan 12 22:52:23 <GeneralAntilles> so we're almost certainly getting the hardware video decoding and OpenGL ES acceleration.
Jan 12 22:52:33 <GeneralAntilles> I'd put my money on Summer.
Jan 12 22:52:43 <GeneralAntilles> Well, I'd put my hopeful thinking money on Summer.
Jan 12 22:52:49 <GeneralAntilles> 2 years without a real upgrade is a long time.
Jan 12 22:52:51 <spirytusick> :)
Jan 12 22:53:05 <GeneralAntilles> spirytusick, the important part of the driver is still a binary blob.
Jan 12 22:53:07 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: true, I just hope they get it right this time
Jan 12 22:53:07 <Moox> nobody is using mediaserv here ?
Jan 12 22:53:15 <GeneralAntilles> and, no, the N810 is not a real upgrade.
Jan 12 22:53:21 <GeneralAntilles> Moox, what's the problem?
Jan 12 22:53:21 <spirytusick> Moox: I do not
Jan 12 22:53:32 <spirytusick> GeneralAntilles: that's why I bought n800
Jan 12 22:53:55 <Delio> http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/Downloads/index.asp?download=true&f=SDK_OGLES-1.1_LINUX_MV_ARMV6_2.01.21.0983.tar.gz&RequestedSDK=true
Jan 12 22:53:57 <spirytusick> cheper and save for the lack of keyboard and gps (which my phone can server up) is the same
Jan 12 22:54:00 <Moox> GeneralAntilles, I want to use videocenter but I get an "invalid service address" when I fill the url field with the RSS url
Jan 12 22:54:21 <GeneralAntilles> Does mediaserv work for normal transcoding?
Jan 12 22:54:26 <Moox> yes
Jan 12 22:54:28 <spirytusick> brb
Jan 12 22:54:43 <GeneralAntilles> You're not using EPG or the Internet TV fields, right?
Jan 12 22:54:45 * petergunn666 is reading about OMAP chips
Jan 12 22:54:53 <Moox> yes, internet tv ..
Jan 12 22:55:08 <GeneralAntilles> That's not what you want
Jan 12 22:55:25 <GeneralAntilles> You want the RSS feed field.
Jan 12 22:55:28 <petergunn666> OMAP3420 - 550mhz, 30% less power
Jan 12 22:55:38 <GeneralAntilles> Internet video
Jan 12 22:55:44 <GeneralAntilles> 3430 is the one to look at
Jan 12 22:55:49 <Moox> GeneralAntilles, in 'service type ?
Jan 12 22:55:52 <GeneralAntilles> 3420 has a less-capable LCD controller
Jan 12 22:55:58 <GeneralAntilles> Yessir, Moox.
Jan 12 22:56:13 <Moox> GeneralAntilles, I have only Internet video, internet tv, remote epg
Jan 12 22:56:21 <petergunn666> Looks like they are just ramping up production
Jan 12 22:56:22 <GeneralAntilles> You want Internet Video
Jan 12 22:56:40 <GeneralAntilles> It'd probably piss the N810 owners to have an upgrade as soon as Summer
Jan 12 22:56:45 <GeneralAntilles> but I can only hope.
Jan 12 22:57:10 <Moox> GeneralAntilles,ok, tried but same problem wih intenet videos
Jan 12 22:57:31 <GeneralAntilles> Did you try adding the feed with the little video center button on the mediaserv-served website?
Jan 12 22:57:46 <GeneralAntilles> There's a little button for Video Center up next to the RSS feed near the top
Jan 12 22:58:02 <Moox> no I copied the rss link as in the demo video
Jan 12 22:58:02 <GeneralAntilles> It WORKSFORME over here
Jan 12 22:58:06 <GeneralAntilles> Try the link
Jan 12 22:58:19 <GeneralAntilles> Other than that, talk to Jaffa.
Jan 12 22:59:06 <GeneralAntilles> I want some specs on the IVA 2+
Jan 12 22:59:44 <GeneralAntilles> Well, the specs for the video side of the DSP.
Jan 12 22:59:53 <rm_you> Is there *anything* out even mentioning such a thing as an n900? or is it entirely speculation at this point?
Jan 12 23:00:03 <GeneralAntilles> It's entirely logical speculation.
Jan 12 23:00:17 <rm_you> well in that case
Jan 12 23:00:23 <GeneralAntilles> It's coming, of course.
Jan 12 23:00:29 <GeneralAntilles> texrat has said as much
Jan 12 23:00:32 <rm_you> i *speculate* that it goddamn better have better storage than one miniSD >_<
Jan 12 23:00:41 <GeneralAntilles> But there isn't any concrete info on it so far.
Jan 12 23:00:51 <GeneralAntilles> and no more damn sliders.
Jan 12 23:01:03 <rm_you> lol, not a slider fan?
Jan 12 23:01:09 <GeneralAntilles> http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&contentId=4671
Jan 12 23:01:20 <GeneralAntilles> That's what we've got now.
Jan 12 23:01:23 <GeneralAntilles> http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12643&contentId=14649
Jan 12 23:01:23 <rm_you> i didn't mind the one on my Zaurus CL-5500
Jan 12 23:01:30 <GeneralAntilles> Compared to this awesomeness.
Jan 12 23:01:56 <Moox> GeneralAntilles, seems not working, not responding with the second button ,.
Jan 12 23:02:00 <rm_you> i need to fix xchat so i can actually copy/paste links out of it
Jan 12 23:02:04 <GeneralAntilles> Bug Jaffa, then.
Jan 12 23:02:16 <GeneralAntilles> on maemo, rm_you?
Jan 12 23:02:19 <rm_you> typing them in is annoying :/
Jan 12 23:02:19 <rm_you> no
Jan 12 23:02:25 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, the broken Windows xchat?
Jan 12 23:02:26 <rm_you> Silverex's xchat build for windows
Jan 12 23:02:30 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah.
Jan 12 23:02:34 <rm_you> :/
Jan 12 23:02:35 <lcuk> xchat works with right click/hold of pen
Jan 12 23:02:40 <rm_you> it works for like 6 hours or so
Jan 12 23:02:43 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 12 23:02:47 * GeneralAntilles uses Colloquy.
Jan 12 23:02:47 <rm_you> and then i can't copy ANYTHING out of it
Jan 12 23:02:59 <rm_you> i could be using 54Script >_>
Jan 12 23:03:08 <rm_you> but i like xchat better... damnit
Jan 12 23:03:25 <rm_you> maybe i will run 54script in the background just to /msg myself links
Jan 12 23:03:44 <GeneralAntilles> The increased capabilities of the IVA2+ enables multi-standard (MPEG4, H264, Windows Media Video, RealVideo etc.) encode and decode at DVD resolutions.
Jan 12 23:03:47 <GeneralAntilles> Ehehehe
Jan 12 23:03:59 <GeneralAntilles> The OMAP3 can evidently handle 720p, too.
Jan 12 23:04:47 <GeneralAntilles> Just let the whiners complain about the N900's video playback. :D
Jan 12 23:04:54 <rm_you> :P
Jan 12 23:04:54 <|tbb|> anyone else got problems to view itt website on the n810, sometimes th thanks gif is big as hell
Jan 12 23:05:03 <GeneralAntilles> Change the layout to "Classic"
Jan 12 23:05:05 <skibur> ?
Jan 12 23:05:44 <GeneralAntilles> With the PowerVR in that thing, we should be able to run Quake3 just fine.
Jan 12 23:06:00 <lcuk> with the powervr in this thing we should be able to
Jan 12 23:06:07 * lcuk wants a skeleton key
Jan 12 23:06:33 <rm_you> clone42: http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&contentId=4671 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12643&contentId=14649
Jan 12 23:06:50 <|tbb|> where to switch that ?
Jan 12 23:07:01 <GeneralAntilles> Down at the bottom of the forum pages.
Jan 12 23:07:18 <lcuk> tbb - apparanty once you are a member you can change the setting
Jan 12 23:07:32 <lcuk> gen - this is membership only thing isnt it?
Jan 12 23:07:55 <GeneralAntilles> Guess so.
Jan 12 23:08:03 <|tbb|> ah i found it thx
Jan 12 23:10:56 <skibur> there
Jan 12 23:25:54 * jsmith wanders away...
Jan 12 23:33:17 <hachi> hurray, syslogger daemon on my maemo
Jan 12 23:42:22 <dhd|gone> can the n810 act as a bluetooth gps receiver?
Jan 12 23:42:36 <GeneralAntilles> For another device?
Jan 12 23:42:48 <dhd> yeah
Jan 12 23:42:59 <GeneralAntilles> Probably, but you'd have to set up some sort of gpsd-to-bluetooth tunnel.
Jan 12 23:43:04 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, is the other device networked?
Jan 12 23:43:19 <dhd> ah
Jan 12 23:43:47 <dhd> yes, but
Jan 12 23:44:15 <dhd> only over umts :)
Jan 12 23:44:55 <l7> hey, does anyone know how to use an n800 as a remote control for itunes?
Jan 12 23:45:01 <GeneralAntilles> Cellphone, then?
Jan 12 23:45:03 <hugolp> anyone here know how to install mysql-client on OS2008?
Jan 12 23:45:05 * dhd was just curious if the n810 could handle gps for the google maps on nis s60 phone
Jan 12 23:45:11 <dhd> yeah
Jan 12 23:45:15 <GeneralAntilles> l7 on OS X or Windows?
Jan 12 23:45:23 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, on a phone.
Jan 12 23:45:28 <GeneralAntilles> I doubt it.
Jan 12 23:45:32 <l7> GeneralAntilles: on os X
Jan 12 23:45:32 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe with PAn
Jan 12 23:45:35 <GeneralAntilles> but not with DUN
Jan 12 23:45:43 <GeneralAntilles> l7, look at Remote Buddy
Jan 12 23:45:53 <GeneralAntilles> they have an iPhone httpd thing that works great
Jan 12 23:45:58 <dhd> the gpsd to bluetooth tunnel idea sounds possible
Jan 12 23:46:09 <GeneralAntilles> or any of the php/http iTunes remote stuff will work.
Jan 12 23:46:19 <GeneralAntilles> Personally, I'd just install mpd from DarwinPorts.
Jan 12 23:46:23 <GeneralAntilles> mmpc is very cool
Jan 12 23:46:33 <l7> GeneralAntilles: hrm, neat
Jan 12 23:46:45 <l7> ah maybe mpd is better
Jan 12 23:46:47 <l7> if it's free
Jan 12 23:46:50 <GeneralAntilles> It is.
Jan 12 23:46:53 <dhd> google maps for s60 is much nicer than the nokia map program...
Jan 12 23:46:59 <GeneralAntilles> DarwinPorts should have a recent version.
Jan 12 23:47:05 <GeneralAntilles> dhd, why not just use maemo mapper?
Jan 12 23:47:19 <dhd> ah... will try it
Jan 12 23:47:29 <GeneralAntilles> It's google maps.
Jan 12 23:47:32 <l7> remote buddy does have a nice kind of polish
Jan 12 23:47:36 <GeneralAntilles> Except not on a crappy S60 screen. :P
Jan 12 23:47:39 <l7> but i don't feel like paying :)
Jan 12 23:47:47 <dhd> oh nice, i didn't realize that
Jan 12 23:47:47 * GeneralAntilles whistles.
Jan 12 23:47:57 <GeneralAntilles> Go with mpd, then.
Jan 12 23:48:13 <GeneralAntilles> The rest of the iTunes http remotes are pretty gross/or old as hell (like, 10.1 old)
Jan 12 23:48:30 * dhd goes off and downloads
Jan 12 23:48:40 <GeneralAntilles> dhd, it's in Chinook Extras
Jan 12 23:48:52 <GeneralAntilles> So you can install it through Application Manager as long as you un-disabled Extras.
Jan 12 23:49:00 <l7> how would you get remote buddy to work with the n800 by the way?
Jan 12 23:49:16 <GeneralAntilles> Just enable their iPhone http page.
Jan 12 23:49:18 <GeneralAntilles> and use that.
Jan 12 23:49:22 <l7> aah
Jan 12 23:49:40 <GeneralAntilles> The gradients look really bad on 16-bit, but it works fine.
Jan 12 23:49:58 <GeneralAntilles> Let's hope the N900 has more colors.
Jan 12 23:50:15 <l7> indeed
Jan 12 23:50:35 <l7> i think the n800's screen is better than the iphone's in most respects
Jan 12 23:50:40 <GeneralAntilles> Really, mpd works really nicely.
Jan 12 23:50:56 <GeneralAntilles> The iPhone's screen looks really nice
Jan 12 23:50:59 <GeneralAntilles> it's a beautiful device
Jan 12 23:51:12 <GeneralAntilles> just doesn't have the resolution (which is why they can afford more colors)
Jan 12 23:51:16 <Tama> N8x0 doesn't work really well and you are talking about N900....
Jan 12 23:51:28 <GeneralAntilles> My N800 works fine for me.
Jan 12 23:51:44 <GeneralAntilles> The N8x0 will have the exact same software as the N900
Jan 12 23:51:44 <l7> how well does mpd interface with itunes?
Jan 12 23:51:51 <GeneralAntilles> so I don't see a problem with talking about new hardware
Jan 12 23:52:02 <GeneralAntilles> it's not like new hardware is taking away maemo resources for new software.
Jan 12 23:52:12 <GeneralAntilles> I haven't bothered to look, l7.
Jan 12 23:52:17 <GeneralAntilles> I just let mpd play the music.
Jan 12 23:52:20 <l7> i guess maybe it just plays back the itunes library through mpd?
Jan 12 23:52:25 <GeneralAntilles> Use iTunes when I'm sitting down at the machine
Jan 12 23:52:25 <Tama> no I exposed you, you are a troll ;_; lol
Jan 12 23:52:37 <GeneralAntilles> and mpd when I'm around the house/apartment with a device.
Jan 12 23:52:38 <l7> i guess that means no smart playlists
Jan 12 23:53:00 <GeneralAntilles> I bet somebody has cooked up an mpd-to-iTunes interface
Jan 12 23:53:07 <GeneralAntilles> It would be a fairly straightforward thing to do.
Jan 12 23:54:16 <l7> hrm, i guess i'll look into it later
Jan 12 23:55:35 <GeneralAntilles> Just install darwinports
Jan 12 23:55:41 <GeneralAntilles> then run port install mpd
Jan 12 23:55:46 <GeneralAntilles> It's pretty straightforward
Jan 12 23:55:56 <l7> i was hoping to use the n800 as a remote controller for itunes through my airport express
Jan 12 23:56:14 <l7> i guess playing music through the n800 and skipping the airport express is about the same thing
Jan 12 23:56:35 <GeneralAntilles> There are 3rd party apps that'll play anything through the Airport Express, right?
Jan 12 23:56:41 <GeneralAntilles> Just have them route mpd's sound to it.
Jan 12 23:56:59 <l7> GeneralAntilles: yeah, there is one called airfoil
Jan 12 23:57:03 <l7> i'm not aware of any others
Jan 12 23:57:06 <GeneralAntilles> Then use that.
Jan 12 23:57:14 <l7> oh right
Jan 12 23:57:17 <GeneralAntilles> The mmpc interface is REALLY slick.
Jan 12 23:57:21 <l7> that would be a pretty slick solution
Jan 12 23:57:32 <GeneralAntilles> It's basically like having the media play on the device
Jan 12 23:57:37 <l7> then the n800 is the unwired remote
Jan 12 23:57:39 <GeneralAntilles> you just hear it from something else. :P
Jan 12 23:57:45 <l7> heh
Jan 12 23:57:47 <GeneralAntilles> I have mmpc on all my maemo devices.
Jan 12 23:58:00 <GeneralAntilles> Too bad I'm only in a 1-bedroom apartment.
Jan 12 23:58:03 <l7> i suppose you could do the same thing with 2 maemo devices
Jan 12 23:58:07 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Jan 12 23:58:11 <Luria> so, i just got an ee
Jan 12 23:58:13 <GeneralAntilles> I have 2 770s and an N800
Jan 12 23:58:13 <l7> or however many maemo devices you wanted ;)
Jan 12 23:58:17 <Luria> um, eee
Jan 12 23:58:19 <GeneralAntilles> they can all control the same mpd
Jan 12 23:58:22 <GeneralAntilles> at the same time.
Jan 12 23:58:33 <GeneralAntilles> Luria, for a second there, I thought you saw a spider. :P
Jan 12 23:58:51 <Luria> yeah
Jan 12 23:58:51 <l7> an irc spider?
Jan 12 23:58:59 <Luria> wow, this distro's gotta go
Jan 12 23:59:17 <Luria> boy did they make it look like windows xp dumb edition
Jan 12 23:59:47 <Luria> apparently i was the first person ever to ask the salesperson if there was a terminal icon out of the box
Jan 13 00:01:03 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 13 00:01:05 <GeneralAntilles> Where did you buy it?
Jan 13 00:01:19 <hachi> okay, so over lunch today I tried to use my n810 to connect to the internet over GPRS through my phone
Jan 13 00:01:27 <shack008n> Luria: what distro?
Jan 13 00:01:30 <Luria> rcs experience
Jan 13 00:01:37 <hachi> and I've got a new error
Jan 13 00:01:49 <Luria> mid/high end computer store in manhattan
Jan 13 00:02:00 <Luria> shack008n, its a custom xandros distrib
Jan 13 00:02:14 <Luria> but i already have a big problem out of the box:
Jan 13 00:02:27 <Luria> the wireless manager doesnt handle non dhcp networks
Jan 13 00:02:31 <l7> hrm, how do i put darwinports in my path again?
Jan 13 00:02:42 <l7> it's been like two years since i had it installed
Jan 13 00:02:48 <hachi> "Connection failed to phone Delphine Angua von Ãœberwald. Try again?"... and I know the two devices are paired properly because I can send files between the two of them just fine
Jan 13 00:02:54 <hachi> anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?
Jan 13 00:03:04 <Tama> I gave it (eeepc) a try and honestly OS2008 looks and works better... which says a lot ;-)
Jan 13 00:03:33 <GeneralAntilles> hachi, your network setting are probably messed up
Jan 13 00:03:46 <hachi> Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 icd 1.2.31[1079]: [AT&T Internet] Failed to open RFCOMM device.
Jan 13 00:03:49 <hachi> Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 icd 1.2.31[1079]: [AT&T Internet] Error: Connection refused (org.bluez.serial.Error.ConnectionAttemptFailed)
Jan 13 00:03:52 <GeneralAntilles> or maybe DUN isn't allowed on the phone.
Jan 13 00:03:54 <hachi> GeneralAntilles: they were working yesterday
Jan 13 00:03:59 <hachi> same exact phone
Jan 13 00:04:01 <GeneralAntilles> With internet?
Jan 13 00:04:07 <GeneralAntilles> Or just file transfer?
Jan 13 00:04:16 <hachi> everything except SMS works on this phone
Jan 13 00:04:20 <Luria> im going for eeexubuntu (god that name's gotta go)
Jan 13 00:04:22 <hachi> from the computer
Jan 13 00:04:39 <hachi> and the reason SMS doens't work is because motorola didn't implement that in their phone firmware
Jan 13 00:04:49 <GeneralAntilles> What was "working yesterday"?
Jan 13 00:04:51 <l7> oh right, forgot about xcode
Jan 13 00:05:21 <hachi> I was connected to the internet via GPRS through this exact phone, carrier, sim card, and location 24 hours ago
Jan 13 00:05:27 <hachi> on my nokia n810
Jan 13 00:05:42 <GeneralAntilles> Could be a network issue.
Jan 13 00:05:54 <GeneralAntilles> Well, maybe not.
Jan 13 00:05:54 <hachi> note how I pasted the syslog
Jan 13 00:05:55 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Jan 13 00:06:00 <GeneralAntilles> try rebooting the both?
Jan 13 00:06:04 <hachi> yup
Jan 13 00:06:20 <GeneralAntilles> Something change.
Jan 13 00:06:22 <GeneralAntilles> Don't know what
Jan 13 00:06:28 <GeneralAntilles> maybe recheck all the settings on both sides.
Jan 13 00:07:11 <hachi> already did
Jan 13 00:07:16 <hachi> maybe I can rfcomm bind this myself
Jan 13 00:09:22 <hachi> no rfcomm
Jan 13 00:09:53 <hachi> what's DSME?
Jan 13 00:10:18 <GeneralAntilles> Power management daemon.
Jan 13 00:10:36 <hachi> it likes to throw errors rather often
Jan 13 00:11:21 <hachi> Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 hcid[1064]: link_key_request (sba=00:1D:6E:D9:5B:3E, dba=00:18:A4:C8:8D:41)
Jan 13 00:11:24 <hachi> Jan 12 15:30:37 Nokia-N810-50-2 serial[1248]: connect(): Connection refused (111)
Jan 13 00:11:25 <hachi> serial?
Jan 13 00:11:46 <hachi> ahh, bluetoothd-service-serial
Jan 13 00:14:07 <hachi> that's bluez-utils... that's open... grep the source
Jan 13 00:21:21 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: so, is the version 0.4b of backlight usable enough for you?
Jan 13 00:21:35 <rm_you> i mean, if it was in a popdown instead of a menu, would you call that *done*?
Jan 13 00:21:42 <rm_you> or is there more you'd like to see
Jan 13 00:22:21 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Jan 13 00:23:57 <rm_you> ... Sorry, yes to the first or second question?
Jan 13 00:24:01 <rm_you> P
Jan 13 00:24:03 <rm_you> :P
Jan 13 00:26:12 <dhd> wow, maemo-mapper seems  to be way more useful  than the built-in map program
Jan 13 00:27:20 <rm_you> dhd: YES
Jan 13 00:27:44 * dhd wonders what that 1.5gb of data is doing on the internal flssh...
Jan 13 00:28:57 <rm_you> the ONLY thing i wish Maemo Mapper could do is read the vector based maps for the "Map" applicationb
Jan 13 00:29:06 <rm_you> since it's like... 750mb for the entire western USA
Jan 13 00:29:19 <rm_you> versus 750MB for two large cities in Maemo Mapp'
Jan 13 00:29:26 <rm_you> because it just stores googlemap jpgs
Jan 13 00:29:32 <dhd> 5he keyboard on this n810 is a nice improvement over the N800, much easier to use for IRC :)
Jan 13 00:29:36 <rm_you> heh yes
Jan 13 00:29:44 <rm_you> well, packing up computer for shipping
Jan 13 00:29:47 <rm_you> later! :)
Jan 13 00:29:57 <dhd> oh i guess that makes sense
Jan 13 00:30:05 * rm_you wishes he could just press in the gate address for Texas on dhd
Jan 13 00:30:36 <dhd> ha
Jan 13 00:30:44 * rm_you leaves
Jan 13 00:50:19 <Tama> Bugzilla Bug 2489
Jan 13 00:50:20 <Tama> GMail IMAP hangs on message download
Jan 13 00:50:22 <Tama> Opened: 2007-12-04 19:25 GMT+3
Jan 13 00:50:33 <Tama> UNCONFIRMED
Jan 13 00:50:34 <GeneralAntilles> Is that for Modest or built-in?
Jan 13 00:50:36 <Tama> (!)
Jan 13 00:50:42 <Tama> built-in
Jan 13 00:50:43 <GeneralAntilles> All the built-in stuff is basically WONTFIX
Jan 13 00:50:58 <Tama> now... that was a month ago...
Jan 13 00:51:16 <Tama> Is there anyone working on this stuff?
Jan 13 00:51:32 <Tama> I mean at least bother flagging it as WONTFIX
Jan 13 00:51:37 <Tama> geez
Jan 13 00:51:40 <GeneralAntilles> UNCONFIRMED just means that somebody without CANCONFIRM or EDITBUGS didn't make it or mark it as NEW
Jan 13 00:51:54 <GeneralAntilles> Meh, I don't know whether it's actually WONTFIX yet.
Jan 13 00:51:54 <Tama> yes
Jan 13 00:51:59 <GeneralAntilles> Just use Modest in any case.
Jan 13 00:52:09 <Tama> yes, of course
Jan 13 00:52:16 <GeneralAntilles> (or, also, that it wasn't voted)
Jan 13 00:53:00 <Tama> but I was complaining about the apparent lack attention by who should take care of this stuff
Jan 13 00:53:25 <GeneralAntilles> Eh, it's not hurting anybody being unconfirmed
Jan 13 00:53:29 <Tama> sure except anyone using email and google will experience it
Jan 13 00:53:30 <GeneralAntilles> Look at the state of the built-in app
Jan 13 00:53:37 <GeneralAntilles> then look at the state of the built-in app's bugs. :P
Jan 13 00:53:49 <GeneralAntilles> Right, which is why Modest will replace built-in.
Jan 13 00:54:30 <Tama> BTW I do believe that the whole 'modest' becoming the new built-in client is totally unfounded
Jan 13 00:54:45 <GeneralAntilles> They pretty much stated as much.
Jan 13 00:54:50 <GeneralAntilles> It's called e-mail
Jan 13 00:54:54 <GeneralAntilles> it's the same icon
Jan 13 00:55:04 <GeneralAntilles> It uses notifications
Jan 13 00:55:33 <Tama> does not use the same account settings (I think)
Jan 13 00:55:42 <Tama> yes it's a good replacement
Jan 13 00:55:55 <GeneralAntilles> and, yes, it will be replacing the built-in. :P
Jan 13 00:55:57 <derf> That's okay, the old account settings sucked.
Jan 13 00:56:16 <GeneralAntilles> Look at the .desktop file
Jan 13 00:56:25 <derf> I mean, no IMAP folders?
Jan 13 01:02:57 <matmo> evening all. Need help: compiled a program on sb (armel target), copied to N810, set owner, group and permissions but still get "permission denied" (running from remote ssh client)
Jan 13 01:03:21 <zerojay> Did you copy to your memory cards or /home?
Jan 13 01:03:47 <K`zan> Before I do something dumb, is this the correct command line for flashing the new 2008?:
Jan 13 01:03:50 <K`zan> ./flasher-3.0 -F RX-34_2008SE_2.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R
Jan 13 01:04:26 <matmo> to /usr/local/lib and sym link from /usr/bin
Jan 13 01:05:30 <derf> Install strace.
Jan 13 01:06:04 <matmo> derf: I'm new to this stuff, what will strace do for me?
Jan 13 01:06:18 <timely> Tak: which products?
Jan 13 01:06:22 <timely> (re:unco)
Jan 13 01:07:12 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, K`zan.
Jan 13 01:07:16 <derf> matmo: http://linux.die.net/man/1/strace
Jan 13 01:07:40 <derf> It'll tell you which call is returning permission denied.
Jan 13 01:08:05 <matmo> ok, thks, checking the link now
Jan 13 01:08:40 <K`zan> USB device found found at bus 004, device address 006
Jan 13 01:08:40 <K`zan> Error claiming USB interface: Operation not permitted
Jan 13 01:08:41 <timely> Tama: what GeneralAntilles meant is that the built-in *mail* client is basically EOLd
Jan 13 01:08:53 <timely> other products theoretically get maintenance :)
Jan 13 01:09:01 <Tama> ok :)
Jan 13 01:09:34 <timely> http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=416222&cid=22019454
Jan 13 01:10:14 <zerojay> Hah.
Jan 13 01:10:59 <GeneralAntilles> K`zan, sudo flash . . .
Jan 13 01:11:10 <K`zan> I am god :-)
Jan 13 01:11:30 <K`zan> Ah, err no I was doing that as the mere mortal me - thanks :-)
Jan 13 01:11:41 <K`zan> Do I need the -R at the end GeneralAntilles ?
Jan 13 01:11:50 <GeneralAntilles> It restarts after flashing
Jan 13 01:11:53 <GeneralAntilles> Not really, but it helps.
Jan 13 01:12:12 <K`zan> OK I'll take anthing that helps :)
Jan 13 01:12:58 <matmo> hmm, and where do I get strace?
Jan 13 01:13:24 <timely> see gronmayer in topic?
Jan 13 01:13:25 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: That worked, thanks, notes modified :-)
Jan 13 01:13:37 <matmo> ok, ta
Jan 13 01:13:39 <timely> (if it isn't on the device already...)
Jan 13 01:13:43 * timely is tired and sleepy
Jan 13 01:25:30 <matmo> I'm getting "permission denied" trying to run strace :-)
Jan 13 01:26:47 <matmo> tried to dump output to file, "strace: can't fopen 'trace.txt': permissiondenied
Jan 13 01:27:17 <timely> did you try writing to / or something silly?
Jan 13 01:27:20 <timely> try /tmp?
Jan 13 01:27:27 <timely> what's the syntax you're using?
Jan 13 01:27:31 <timely> strace -p ?
Jan 13 01:28:34 <matmo> I was in the app directory. Now move to my data dir on mmc2. Now get: strace: exec: permission denied
Jan 13 01:28:48 <matmo> s/move/moved
Jan 13 01:29:17 <matmo> back to square 1, I can't run the exe
Jan 13 01:32:26 <matmo> ls
Jan 13 01:32:32 <matmo> (oops)
Jan 13 01:34:26 <matmo> timely: sry, now checked and I do have a strace log, shows wrong target for exe. Investigating further
Jan 13 01:36:31 <timely> -f is your friend?
Jan 13 01:36:38 <matmo> well wooohooo, started using full exe path and it's running
Jan 13 01:36:39 <timely> also, beware the evil fork
Jan 13 01:36:55 <timely> if your victim is a nokia app, it's probably using an evil forking system
Jan 13 01:36:56 <Tak> so, I can't find a way to use vala code with bora :-|
Jan 13 01:37:07 <timely> which means you need to find the daemon process and probably trace it
Jan 13 01:37:41 <matmo>  hmm, thanks but beyond my know-how atm
Jan 13 01:38:01 <timely> anyway, -f and -p are your friends, the man page is your guide
Jan 13 01:38:28 <matmo> ok, thanks
Jan 13 01:43:22 <Tak> even if I pregenerate the C code
Jan 13 01:45:29 <esotic> hello
Jan 13 01:45:33 <esotic> anybody home?
Jan 13 01:46:34 <GeneralAntilles> Howdy
Jan 13 01:46:36 * Tak home
Jan 13 01:46:49 <lcuk> timely, I almost fell off my chair when I read that
Jan 13 01:46:58 <lcuk> (/. posting)
Jan 13 01:47:25 <esotic> I got an N800 for Xmas and am trying to get the maemo SDK installed...  anybody willing to help me through some troubles?
Jan 13 01:47:45 <Tak> esotic: sure
Jan 13 01:48:09 <esotic> my current issue is that I get a permission denied error when I try to run scratchbox, any ideas on how to resolve that?
Jan 13 01:48:22 <esotic> bash: /usr/bin/scratchbox: Permission denied
Jan 13 01:48:30 <matmo> nite all
Jan 13 01:48:51 <esotic> if i go straight to the /scratchbox/login is says the same thing
Jan 13 01:49:42 <SpComb> have you added your user as a scratchbox user and logged in again, as per the instructions?
Jan 13 01:49:43 <l7> dang, remote buddy is pretty cool
Jan 13 01:49:48 <Tak> did you add yourself as a sbox user?
Jan 13 01:49:57 <Tak> crap
Jan 13 01:50:02 * Tak slow
Jan 13 01:50:05 <GeneralAntilles> l7, it's even cooler with a Wiimote.
Jan 13 01:50:11 <l7> not as slick on then n800 as it would be on the iphone, but still cool
Jan 13 01:50:13 <esotic> do i need to logout of debian or reboot or something?
Jan 13 01:50:24 <l7> GeneralAntilles: how does it work on the wiimote? it has no screen
Jan 13 01:50:25 * Tak blame 770 + rum
Jan 13 01:50:34 <GeneralAntilles> Bluetooth remot. :P
Jan 13 01:50:35 <l7> but if you could map all those buttons...
Jan 13 01:50:38 <GeneralAntilles> *remote
Jan 13 01:50:47 <Tak> esotic: log out and back in
Jan 13 01:50:47 <l7> ah
Jan 13 01:50:53 <GeneralAntilles> the iPhone httpd is kinda a secondary feautre.
Jan 13 01:50:54 <esotic> ok, brb
Jan 13 01:50:58 <GeneralAntilles> *feature
Jan 13 01:50:59 <esotic> thanks! :)
Jan 13 01:51:08 * GeneralAntilles shouldn't type with a cat on his desk.
Jan 13 01:51:28 <l7> wow the wii has offical support
Jan 13 01:51:50 <l7> the neat thing about the ajax module is that you can control your mac from another room
Jan 13 01:51:51 <Tak> where does one get an input driver for a cat?
Jan 13 01:52:02 <l7> what kind of cat?
Jan 13 01:52:35 <l7> i believe the sound of a can opener works nicely
Jan 13 01:53:28 <Tak> hmm - why doesn't our perl have prename?
Jan 13 01:53:35 <GeneralAntilles> Because it sucks?
Jan 13 01:54:05 <petergunn666> wots prename?
Jan 13 01:54:24 <GeneralAntilles> alternatively: they're trying to sucker you into making it not suck.
Jan 13 01:54:28 <Tak> perhaps, but I posit that it sucks less than nothing
Jan 13 01:55:37 <Tak> petergunn666: lets you do: prename 's/foo/bar/' *.bar     , etc
Jan 13 01:55:48 <scibot> I want "Everyone's Nintendo Channel" on the Wii already.
Jan 13 01:56:02 <petergunn666> Tak: havent heard of it - is it a perl6 thing?
Jan 13 01:56:03 <esotic> Thanks, worked like a charm, i'm goign to continue working through the install instructions!
Jan 13 01:56:34 <Tak> yes
Jan 13 01:56:41 <timely> lcuk =)
Jan 13 01:56:45 <GeneralAntilles> I want the "Nintendo Gives you Free VC Games" channel.
Jan 13 01:56:55 <petergunn666> if you just want to search and replace infile you can use -pi
Jan 13 01:57:09 <scibot> ENC = Free DS Demo's
Jan 13 01:57:22 <Tak> I want to mass-rename files
Jan 13 01:58:05 <petergunn666> I use metamorphose for that - dont think there is a n800 port tho
Jan 13 01:58:19 <timely> prename should be a trivial perl one liner
Jan 13 01:59:14 <petergunn666> http://www.evolt.org/article/Renaming_Files_with_Perl/17/351/
Jan 13 02:00:00 <timely> perl -e 'sub _name { my $name = shift; $name =~ s/foo/bar/; return $name };  foreach my $file (@ARGV) { rename $file _name($file)' *.bar
Jan 13 02:00:23 <timely> one typo included at no extra charge
Jan 13 02:00:37 <timely> (, missing between file _name)
Jan 13 02:00:55 <timely> not that you might rename barbie.bar to foobie.bar
Jan 13 02:01:04 <timely> which is probably wot what you want
Jan 13 02:01:08 <timely> s/wot/not/
Jan 13 02:01:09 <Tak> timely meant: which is probably not what you want
Jan 13 02:01:09 <infobot> timely meant: which is probably not what you want
Jan 13 02:01:18 * timely eyes tak
Jan 13 02:01:26 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 13 02:01:26 <timely> s/tak/Tak/
Jan 13 02:01:47 <Tak> doesn't do actions :-P
Jan 13 02:01:55 <timely> clearly?
Jan 13 02:02:03 <timely> s/clearly./clearly!/
Jan 13 02:02:03 <Tak> timely meant: clearly!
Jan 13 02:03:38 <Tak> Tak thinks timely meant: Inconceivable!
Jan 13 02:03:38 <Tak> timely: s/cl(e)arly.*/Inconc\1ivable!/
Jan 13 02:05:57 <K`zan> is map the same as mapper is the same as maemo mapper?!??
Jan 13 02:06:10 <GeneralAntilles> "Map" is different from Maemo Mapper.
Jan 13 02:06:22 <K`zan> or is map the wayfinder thing and mapper == maemo mapper?
Jan 13 02:06:35 <K`zan> Bloody confuzing ;-/.,
Jan 13 02:06:38 <GeneralAntilles> "Map" is the OS2008 built-in GPS program
Jan 13 02:06:43 <GeneralAntilles> mapper is probably maemo mapper.
Jan 13 02:07:05 <K`zan> "probably" LOL :-).  I'll try it :-). thanks :-)
Jan 13 02:07:37 <GeneralAntilles> Maemo Mapper is 100x better than "Map".
Jan 13 02:07:52 <timely> they're different!
Jan 13 02:08:05 <K`zan> Would be nice if there was a flag that you could set to globally say "I don't care if it isn't a frugging nokia app", get tired of that.
Jan 13 02:08:09 <cizarro> but still the same
Jan 13 02:08:11 <K`zan> Yeap, map is crap.
Jan 13 02:08:21 <K`zan> maemo mapper is *it* :-)
Jan 13 02:08:23 <timely> K`zan: it's open source
Jan 13 02:08:31 <timely> just download the source and get rid of that bit :)
Jan 13 02:08:35 * cizarro would like a warning when installing nokia stuff (as opposed to  non-nokia)
Jan 13 02:08:42 <Tak> hah
Jan 13 02:08:42 <timely> cizarro: doesn't work
Jan 13 02:08:51 <timely> nokia stuff that isn't from osso is marked as non nokia
Jan 13 02:08:57 <timely> if you don't think that's confusing...
Jan 13 02:08:57 <K`zan> Yeah, I trust the non-mokia stuff :)
Jan 13 02:09:15 <cizarro> heh, I knew there was something hidden in all that logic :-)
Jan 13 02:09:37 <shack008n> timely, is tthere a way to get rid of the contacts iccon on the left panel?
Jan 13 02:09:43 <timely> yes
Jan 13 02:09:49 <K`zan> The one thing I *am* sure of is that this whole IT thing is designed from the ground up to be as confusing as possible :-(.
Jan 13 02:09:52 <timely> there's a .so file somewhere in the file system
Jan 13 02:09:57 <timely> if it disappears, so does the button
Jan 13 02:10:01 <cizarro> K`zan, it's been worse!
Jan 13 02:10:06 <GeneralAntilles> Like magic!
Jan 13 02:10:06 <timely> it's not particularly recommended, but i've done it
Jan 13 02:10:13 * cizarro remembers the stuff that was on 770 on release
Jan 13 02:10:21 <GeneralAntilles> Will the tasks browser expand proportionally?
Jan 13 02:10:23 <shack008n> timely; great!!
Jan 13 02:10:26 <K`zan> cizarro: Yes, I know :-/.
Jan 13 02:10:27 <timely> GeneralAntilles: no :)
Jan 13 02:10:33 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, then there's no point.
Jan 13 02:10:42 <K`zan> Glad I came in during the enlightened period - 2007 ;-)
Jan 13 02:10:46 <timely> maybe you don't like the process using ram?
Jan 13 02:10:58 <GeneralAntilles> Fine, fine.
Jan 13 02:11:00 * cizarro prefers using cow
Jan 13 02:11:08 * timely says process, but technically it's part of tN
Jan 13 02:11:10 <shack008n> timely, will it also remove the default mail and chat clients?
Jan 13 02:11:13 <cizarro> poor old ram. most people using it all the time..
Jan 13 02:11:21 <timely> shack008n: no, it's just a ui hook
Jan 13 02:11:30 <shack008n> mkay
Jan 13 02:11:34 <timely> but they might be slightly less likely to run constantly
Jan 13 02:11:37 <K`zan> Food, bbl
Jan 13 02:11:39 * timely isn't sure about that
Jan 13 02:11:43 <timely> they have many hooks
Jan 13 02:11:53 <timely> chat of course has a status bar hook
Jan 13 02:11:55 <timely> no clue about mail
Jan 13 02:12:01 <timely> it definitely has a launch hook in the normal menus
Jan 13 02:12:16 <shack008n> i removed the chat sbar item tough
Jan 13 02:12:26 <timely> define removed?
Jan 13 02:12:45 <timely> rm -f?
Jan 13 02:12:58 <timely> note: i really have no idea what the TN ui does
Jan 13 02:13:01 <shack008n> disabled the presence icon from cpanel
Jan 13 02:13:05 <timely> it might mean X isn't loaded
Jan 13 02:13:10 <timely> or it might just mean X isn't visible
Jan 13 02:13:28 <timely> for all i know, help says what it means
Jan 13 02:13:34 <timely> but somehow,... i doubt that :)
Jan 13 02:14:03 * cizarro wonders whether the bt help has been fixed
Jan 13 02:14:03 <shack008n> i'll kill go find the hookk anyway, tnx
Jan 13 02:14:23 <K`zan> I swear these installs are so frucked up, nobody seems to know what anyone else is installing and doesn't trust it.  ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
Jan 13 02:14:40 <timely> K`zan: i'm sure your device knows
Jan 13 02:14:47 <cizarro> or it soon will
Jan 13 02:14:52 <K`zan> Apparently not.
Jan 13 02:14:57 * cizarro goes to watch a movie
Jan 13 02:14:59 <cizarro> have fun :-)
Jan 13 02:15:14 <K`zan> Guess I turn on red pill, install and trust to god because nokia sure isn't :)
Jan 13 02:15:21 <shack008n> timelly, tablets are sentient now?
Jan 13 02:16:01 <GeneralAntilles> What's the problem, K`zan?
Jan 13 02:16:17 <K`zan> Should I just give up on the application manager?  The apps never seem to be able to resolve dependancies...
Jan 13 02:16:41 <GeneralAntilles> That's a repo issue.
Jan 13 02:16:44 <GeneralAntilles> What dependency?
Jan 13 02:17:10 <K`zan> xchat had three, I'm trying turning on red pill now...
Jan 13 02:17:30 <GeneralAntilles> Which xchat?
Jan 13 02:17:33 <GeneralAntilles> Red pill wont fix it.
Jan 13 02:17:39 <GeneralAntilles> The xchat in maemo hackers?
Jan 13 02:17:42 <K`zan> Whichever one is in the application manager....
Jan 13 02:17:43 <GeneralAntilles> Because that's for 2007
Jan 13 02:17:49 <GeneralAntilles> Did it complain about libhildon0?
Jan 13 02:18:15 <GeneralAntilles> You want the xchat here: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Jan 13 02:18:15 <K`zan> Oh god never mind, with red pill on it may finish loading in July :)
Jan 13 02:18:40 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: Yes, that was one of them.
Jan 13 02:18:53 <K`zan> Thanks, checking
Jan 13 02:19:36 <Tak> oh ffs, our xargs doesn't have -0 either?
Jan 13 02:20:20 <timely> tak: busybox++
Jan 13 02:20:21 <GeneralAntilles> libhildon0 means it's OS2007.
Jan 13 02:20:25 <timely> s/++/--/
Jan 13 02:20:26 <infobot> timely meant: tak: busybox--
Jan 13 02:21:26 <Tak> mine wants you to escape the + :-P
Jan 13 02:22:03 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: That worked *thanks*!
Jan 13 02:22:14 <GeneralAntilles> For future note: red pill is a pretty poor troubleshooting tool. ;)
Jan 13 02:23:45 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: Yes, I know :-(
Jan 13 02:24:10 <K`zan> Shotgun method of debugging, next comes tac nukes :)
Jan 13 02:25:20 <timely> Tak: i figured :)
Jan 13 02:26:26 * Tak drink more rum, listen to sepultura
Jan 13 02:26:58 <Tak> does anyone happen to know about the HE progress?
Jan 13 02:27:12 <timely> in general, i think that's a secret
Jan 13 02:29:12 <Tak> what about specifically?
Jan 13 02:32:32 <Tak> I've determined that it's not possible to use vala with bora's glib
Jan 13 02:34:30 <robtaylor> Tak: what's the problem?
Jan 13 02:34:32 <Tak> ...which is a shame
Jan 13 02:34:45 <Tak> the glib is too old
Jan 13 02:34:53 <robtaylor> yeh, what's being used
Jan 13 02:34:55 <robtaylor> ?
Jan 13 02:35:11 <Tak> you mean what functions?
Jan 13 02:35:13 <robtaylor> aye
Jan 13 02:37:59 <Tak> rechecking
Jan 13 02:40:04 <Tak> something that wasn't trivial (to me) to replace
Jan 13 02:40:40 <robtaylor> Tak: we can always go ask juergbi if it's a stinker;)
Jan 13 02:41:33 <robtaylor> wow 2.12 required :/ /me wonders what it is that's needed
Jan 13 02:41:43 <Tak> he recommended pregenerating the C code, but that didn't work either
Jan 13 02:42:00 <unique311> los alamos
Jan 13 02:42:15 <unique311> ^^^^sounds like a greeting
Jan 13 02:42:46 <Tak> hola, mis alamos!
Jan 13 02:43:06 <unique311> i don't like the mis in that one.
Jan 13 02:43:13 <Tak> unique311: want to test a gngeo prerelease?
Jan 13 02:43:17 <unique311> why not.
Jan 13 02:43:25 <unique311> you know i'm working on the frontend
Jan 13 02:43:32 <Tak> gmail?
Jan 13 02:43:32 <unique311> xgngeo
Jan 13 02:43:40 <unique311> unique11210@gmail.com
Jan 13 02:43:43 <Tak> why not xmaeme?
Jan 13 02:43:55 <unique311> not enough pref
Jan 13 02:44:34 <unique311> and the one i'm working on allows users that are not keen to config files to do alot of configuration
Jan 13 02:45:06 <unique311> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KN57-Vn0WpI
Jan 13 02:45:11 <unique311> heres a vid of it
Jan 13 02:45:11 <Tak> g_param_spec_gtype
Jan 13 02:46:07 <unique311> still working on freaking the menubar.  I can't seem to add it to the hildon menu
Jan 13 02:46:16 <Tak> well - I'd be happy to roll any required changes into xmaeme
Jan 13 02:47:34 <unique311> did you send the pre release yet?
Jan 13 02:49:01 <Tak> working on it
Jan 13 02:49:07 * Tak on 770
Jan 13 02:49:30 <unique311> ok
Jan 13 02:51:19 <unique311> http://developer.berlios.de/dbimage.php?id=3175   i think this would come in handy for n810 users.
Jan 13 02:51:39 <unique311> but i removed it for the build i'm working on.
Jan 13 02:53:26 <robtaylor> Tak: hmm, a possible hack is to change that to g_param_spec_ulong
Jan 13 02:53:28 <unique311> got it
Jan 13 02:54:42 <Tak> sent
Jan 13 02:54:48 <Tak> hah
Jan 13 02:54:51 <unique311> recieved
Jan 13 02:55:03 <robtaylor> Tak: and change the 4th add argument to 3 lines, min 0, max MAX_ULONG, default G_TYPE_INVALID
Jan 13 02:55:36 <Tak> robtaylor: also for g_value_get_gtype ?
Jan 13 02:56:03 <robtaylor> Tak: aye, a Gtype is justa ulong :)
Jan 13 02:56:34 <robtaylor> (at least, it is on arm)(
Jan 13 02:57:07 <jott> this should work for os2008 (n810), right (with obvious adjustments)? or is there a better tutorial? http://maemo.org/community/wiki/howto_easily_boot_from_mmc_card/
Jan 13 02:57:53 <Tak> mmm, I'll have to do that when I have a real kb ;-)
Jan 13 02:58:40 <unique311> how do you remember how many taks to add to ur gmail.
Jan 13 02:59:22 <Tak> it's ten
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