**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 13 02:59:57 2008
Jan 13 03:03:31 <unique311> tak what am i looking for in this release
Jan 13 03:03:35 <unique311> plays like the other one
Jan 13 03:03:55 <unique311> my onscreen buttons are still MIA,
Jan 13 03:04:05 <unique311> i have to let it sleep in order for them to show up
Jan 13 03:05:05 <unique311> 1 question how did you get speed to be so fast?
Jan 13 03:05:57 <Tak> damn - I was hoping to fix the damn buttons
Jan 13 03:06:19 <Tak> it's fast because it has two cores in arm asm
Jan 13 03:06:53 <Crooper> Is xine-ui ported yet?
Jan 13 03:07:23 <unique311> not sure what that means, but is it possible to do the same with the other emus available for the NIT
Jan 13 03:10:01 <unique311> starts up fine, but still the onscreen buttons are MIA, for xmaeme and xgngeo
Jan 13 03:10:08 <Tak> possible, yes - can I do it, no
Jan 13 03:11:03 <packetlossmm> anyone getting upgrade flash message at youtube
Jan 13 03:11:20 <Crooper> And also is anyone using vmac?
Jan 13 03:12:21 <Tak> meh, something's goofy with chinook's dsp doubling
Jan 13 03:12:30 <unique311> Tak, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=118047&postcount=29
Jan 13 03:12:47 <GeneralAntilles> packetlossmm, under OS2008?
Jan 13 03:13:05 <packetlossmm> yes
Jan 13 03:13:18 <GeneralAntilles> Let me check
Jan 13 03:13:19 <unique311> was that the fix you tried out for this pre release
Jan 13 03:13:53 <Tak> sort-of
Jan 13 03:14:21 <GeneralAntilles> Nope, works fine over here, packetlossmm.
Jan 13 03:14:57 <packetlossmm> hmm, i'll try again
Jan 13 03:17:12 <K> How does one get rid of skype and rapsody from ther menu - they are onl.y installable?!
Jan 13 03:17:23 <Tak> incidentally, does this happen with fceu?
Jan 13 03:17:32 <GeneralAntilles> Either install them and uninstall them or remove their .desktops.
Jan 13 03:17:50 <unique311> don't have fceu installed
Jan 13 03:18:00 <unique311> but i can try it out.
Jan 13 03:18:03 <unique311> give me a sec
Jan 13 03:18:12 <unique311> it might just be my device, right.
Jan 13 03:19:55 <Tak> well, all I have is 770
Jan 13 03:20:06 <packetlossmm> ahh, got it. in components, flash and mediaplayer plugins were not checked
Jan 13 03:20:07 <GeneralAntilles> Poor Tak
Jan 13 03:20:25 <Tak> I'm wondering if fceu on os2008 has the same prob
Jan 13 03:20:52 <Tak> I like the 770
Jan 13 03:21:01 <GeneralAntilles> It's slow.
Jan 13 03:21:08 <unique311> you a dev, did you sign up for the dev discount?
Jan 13 03:21:25 <Tak> ehh, my only issue is the storage
Jan 13 03:21:43 <Tak> I got a discount
Jan 13 03:22:12 <packetlossmm> yeah, it is too slow to really be playable for me, close tho
Jan 13 03:22:42 <unique311> so get yourself an n810 already.
Jan 13 03:22:51 <packetlossmm> lol, u probly meant the 770
Jan 13 03:23:28 <unique311> the dev discount was fro the 770?
Jan 13 03:26:52 <unique311> Tak, fceu works..
Jan 13 03:26:53 <Tak> actually I got an n800
Jan 13 03:27:11 <Tak> that's good, but wtf?
Jan 13 03:27:11 <unique311> onscreen buttons show up
Jan 13 03:27:24 <unique311> amazed on how well the game plays
Jan 13 03:27:47 <unique311> i'm having som mario flashbacks
Jan 13 03:36:17 <dospod> hey
Jan 13 03:42:06 <dospod> whats the name of the beta ff browser for maemo
Jan 13 03:42:59 <Tak> microb?
Jan 13 03:43:19 <dospod> i thought that was default
Jan 13 03:43:44 <dospod> i  know mozilla has another beta browser with a full ui for maemo
Jan 13 03:44:15 <K`zan> How do I get rapsody out of the menu system?  It seems to be neither installed or installable but for sure NOT deletable...
Jan 13 03:44:16 <Tak> hmm - webkit?
Jan 13 03:44:44 <dospod> idk but i hear it  has a full ui and its mozilla based
Jan 13 03:44:58 * Tak shrugs
Jan 13 03:45:09 <unique311> something fish
Jan 13 03:45:14 <unique311> swordfish
Jan 13 03:45:21 <dospod> rhapsody-installer is also a app i think
Jan 13 03:45:31 <esotic> How do I edit files inside scratchbox?
Jan 13 03:45:36 <Tak> SoLongAndThanksForAllThe?
Jan 13 03:45:42 <K`zan> dospod: I don't want either it nor its installer...
Jan 13 03:45:55 <dospod> then uninstall it
Jan 13 03:45:57 <Tak> esotic: you text editor of choice
Jan 13 03:46:09 <dospod> in the application manager
Jan 13 03:46:17 <Tak> Tak meant: esotic: your text editor of choice
Jan 13 03:46:17 <Tak> s/you/\&r/
Jan 13 03:46:17 <infobot> Tak meant: Tak meant: esotic: \&rr text editor of choice
Jan 13 03:46:22 <K`zan> dospod: looked there, but will check again, thanks
Jan 13 03:46:36 <esotic> hmmm...  if i type gedit is says "command not found"
Jan 13 03:46:47 <esotic> do I have to add paths to the environment?
Jan 13 03:46:54 <Vulcanis> does anyone know what the d-pad and stuff are counted as for dosbox?
Jan 13 03:47:01 <Vulcanis> I'd _like_ to be able to bind them to things
Jan 13 03:47:06 <Tak> you might have to install it if it's not vim ;-)
Jan 13 03:47:09 <Vulcanis> but not sure if it will work
Jan 13 03:48:10 <K`zan> rapsody installer is installable, but I still don't find anything to get the installer out of the menu system...
Jan 13 03:49:04 <dospod> uninstall it and it should go away
Jan 13 03:49:11 <dospod> but im a linux newb
Jan 13 03:49:14 <GeneralAntilles> dospod, you're thinking of the Minefield port.
Jan 13 03:49:30 <GeneralAntilles> K`zan, just install it then uninstall it.
Jan 13 03:49:39 <K`zan> Wonder if you have to set red-pill mode to find it and then remove it ?!?
Jan 13 03:50:18 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: That sucks to have to do it that way...  Thanks, looks like I have no choice but to "install" it so they get credit.  Errrr....
Jan 13 03:50:26 <GeneralAntilles> You can delete the .desktop
Jan 13 03:50:32 <GeneralAntilles> I just don't remember off-hand where they all.
Jan 13 03:50:49 <GeneralAntilles> Eh, I use Rhapsody. :P
Jan 13 03:51:34 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: I quit supporting the enterainment mafias some time ago now, indies only  :-)
Jan 13 03:52:10 <K`zan> Starting to consider no nokia warning to be a bad thing :-)
Jan 13 03:53:08 <dospod> minefild it is
Jan 13 03:53:25 <K`zan> GeneralAntilles: That worked, thanks!
Jan 13 03:57:55 <dospod> im gonna try minefeild
Jan 13 04:01:45 <dospod> its nice for beta so far
Jan 13 04:10:56 <GeneralAntilles> Kinda pointless, dospod.
Jan 13 04:11:01 <GeneralAntilles> MicroB has the same engine.
Jan 13 04:11:20 <GeneralAntilles> It's mostly just bloated and buggy.
Jan 13 04:28:38 <l7> anyone know if it's possible to rotate the web browser 90 degrees?
Jan 13 04:29:10 <l7> it would be handy with Remote Buddy
Jan 13 04:29:23 <l7> a black background would make things slicker too
Jan 13 04:34:05 <GeneralAntilles> No, l7.
Jan 13 04:34:11 <GeneralAntilles> Hildon just isn't designed for rotation.
Jan 13 04:36:05 <sandyang> hi everybody:P
Jan 13 04:37:16 <l7> GeneralAntilles: that's too bad
Jan 13 04:37:32 <l7> i noticed that fbreader was capable of it
Jan 13 04:37:44 <GeneralAntilles> Sort of
Jan 13 04:37:46 <l7> but i guess that's specific to it
Jan 13 04:38:00 <GeneralAntilles> but moving one giant text block around is easier than moving a bunch of widgets around
Jan 13 04:38:18 <GeneralAntilles> Truthfully, rotation will break most applications.
Jan 13 04:38:27 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe OS2010. ;)
Jan 13 04:38:37 <l7> i guess css wouldn't be able to help with rotation
Jan 13 04:38:39 <l7> heh
Jan 13 04:38:58 <GeneralAntilles> Actually, rotating the website would probably be fairly straightforward
Jan 13 04:39:12 <GeneralAntilles> but the toolbar and maybe the form/button widgets would be harder.
Jan 13 04:39:33 <Tak> hah, resizing breaks most applications
Jan 13 04:39:40 <l7> maybe if the website weren't so ajax heavy
Jan 13 04:40:11 <K-Fox> does n810 support the korea,japan language ?
Jan 13 04:40:24 <GeneralAntilles> More or less
Jan 13 04:40:29 <GeneralAntilles> have to install a font for it, though.
Jan 13 04:40:55 <GeneralAntilles> The Chinese font includes Japanese, but I'm not sure about Korean
Jan 13 04:41:37 <K-Fox> i am from korean
Jan 13 04:42:30 <sandyang> K-Fox: From Korean?
Jan 13 04:42:42 <K-Fox> if it is supported the korea font , i will buy n810
Jan 13 04:42:48 <K-Fox> yes
Jan 13 04:43:10 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno
Jan 13 04:43:20 <GeneralAntilles> You might take a look on the forums at internettablettalk.com
Jan 13 04:43:39 <K-Fox> ok
Jan 13 04:45:54 <sandyang> how much n810 in Korean
Jan 13 04:46:32 <GeneralAntilles> Basically, if you put a font in there with Korean support, then the N810 will render Korean just fine.
Jan 13 04:46:40 <GeneralAntilles> Input will require a 3rd party application.
Jan 13 04:47:40 <K-Fox> it dont sell n810 in korea
Jan 13 04:48:15 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, Nokia hasn't been very big on support in Asia so far.
Jan 13 04:48:18 <GeneralAntilles> Not sure why.
Jan 13 04:48:30 <GeneralAntilles> There are a lot of Asian tablet users in here, though.
Jan 13 04:49:12 <K-Fox> i am going to buy it through COMPUSA ,,other site
Jan 13 04:49:14 <Tak> it certainly does seem that way
Jan 13 04:49:38 <Tak> better hurry - compusa is going away pretty soon
Jan 13 04:51:12 <GeneralAntilles> Didn't TigerDirect just buy CompUSA?
Jan 13 04:51:22 <GeneralAntilles> That's gonna be a mess.
Jan 13 04:53:15 * Tak shrugs
Jan 13 04:59:38 <Vulcanis> mmhmm
Jan 13 05:01:29 <GeneralAntilles> I should probably visit mine to see if they've got any good clearance stuff.
Jan 13 05:04:45 <Tak> heh, some guys here said that it looked like the same prices, only with signs saying. "CLEARANCE!!!1~"
Jan 13 05:04:55 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 13 05:12:48 <ds3> the mapping app on OS2008 is disappointing
Jan 13 05:13:00 <GeneralAntilles> You mean "Map"
Jan 13 05:13:03 <GeneralAntilles> and, yes, that's true.
Jan 13 05:13:17 <ds3> yes, and it looks buggy
Jan 13 05:13:32 <ds3> telling me I am doing about 100KPH when I have the settings for imperial units
Jan 13 05:13:49 <ds3> I do not need to start multipling numbers by 5/8 in my head as I drive!@#@!#@
Jan 13 05:14:40 * ds3 eagerly waits for the next version of GVM...hopefully it can run some of the Palm mapping software
Jan 13 05:19:12 <GeneralAntilles> Sad part is, they don't even really want to fix it.
Jan 13 05:19:18 <GeneralAntilles> No bugzilla component.
Jan 13 05:19:21 <GeneralAntilles> All contracted work.
Jan 13 05:19:53 <K`zan> Simple solution :-), dump map install maemo mapper :).
Jan 13 05:19:55 <ds3> I hope the efforts to get roadmap or Navi hildonized get furhter
Jan 13 05:20:23 <ds3> maemo mapper has it is place but it is different; requiring online access for map is restrictive
Jan 13 05:20:30 <GeneralAntilles> You're incorrect
Jan 13 05:20:34 <GeneralAntilles> It requires no such thing.
Jan 13 05:20:40 <GeneralAntilles> (why does everything think that?)
Jan 13 05:20:48 <GeneralAntilles> Read the help, google, read ITT, read it's website. . . .
Jan 13 05:20:49 <ds3> it does if I don't plan ahead
Jan 13 05:20:54 <K`zan> Err, I think not.
Jan 13 05:21:04 <GeneralAntilles> How far do you drive in a day?
Jan 13 05:21:06 <ds3> I can't just say, give me the entire western US and dump it in the card w/o pissing off google, etc
Jan 13 05:21:22 <K`zan> I plan ahead for it.  Currentl got about 24 hours worth of maps coming in :).
Jan 13 05:21:32 <K`zan> Again...
Jan 13 05:21:37 <K`zan> After upgrading.
Jan 13 05:21:39 <GeneralAntilles> Eh, I'm never not in one of two cities.
Jan 13 05:21:39 <K`zan> OS
Jan 13 05:21:40 <ds3> my daily drive doesn't need GPS; it is my long road trips that does and those aren't that planned
Jan 13 05:21:44 <GeneralAntilles> ~300MB of maps
Jan 13 05:21:48 <GeneralAntilles> Has me covered.
Jan 13 05:22:05 <K`zan> Big arsed chunk :).  Comes from manually going to the places I want filled in.
Jan 13 05:22:07 <ds3> I do about about 12000miles/year; 4000-5000 of those are in areas I have not been to
Jan 13 05:22:16 <GeneralAntilles> Download along route
Jan 13 05:22:23 <GeneralAntilles> and download maps for the cities you'll be in.
Jan 13 05:22:26 <GeneralAntilles> Will work fairly well.
Jan 13 05:22:33 <GeneralAntilles> But these are the limits of bitmap maps.
Jan 13 05:22:33 <ds3> over GPRS?
Jan 13 05:22:39 <K`zan> It would be nice to get maps like map - Western US, Eastern...
Jan 13 05:22:40 <GeneralAntilles> Before you leave.
Jan 13 05:22:42 <GeneralAntilles> or get 3g.
Jan 13 05:22:47 <ds3> yes, that's why I want vector mapping
Jan 13 05:22:51 <GeneralAntilles> 3g phone is cheaper than "Map".
Jan 13 05:23:08 <ds3> I'll probally have maemo mapper on there still.. like I said, it ihas its place
Jan 13 05:23:13 <GeneralAntilles> K`zan, that'd be about 20GB-per for ok-zooming.
Jan 13 05:23:32 <GeneralAntilles> John should just give it the ability to read the "Map" maps.
Jan 13 05:23:41 <ds3> and isn't using Google as the map data source still a gray area?
Jan 13 05:23:59 <ds3> or TIGER maps or OSM maps
Jan 13 05:24:06 <GeneralAntilles> OSM maps are fine
Jan 13 05:24:12 <GeneralAntilles> which is what's in there by default
Jan 13 05:24:12 <ds3> or SA maps ;)
Jan 13 05:24:29 <GeneralAntilles> I very much doubt google cares.
Jan 13 05:24:30 <ds3> as I understand it, OSM isnt that complete in the US; TIGER is still being imported
Jan 13 05:24:36 <K`zan> Yeah, I also have all zoom levels set, that is adding a CHUNK...
Jan 13 05:24:41 <GeneralAntilles> OSM has about zero coverage in the US
Jan 13 05:24:54 <GeneralAntilles> You don't need to go down below 5, really.
Jan 13 05:24:55 <K`zan> Not sure how many or which ones are enough, but the fuzzies suck...
Jan 13 05:25:03 <GeneralAntilles> 3 and lower is mildly stupid.
Jan 13 05:25:13 <ds3> one thing I think Maemo maps is good for is overlaying GPS on a scanned USGS Topo map
Jan 13 05:25:24 <GeneralAntilles> Or google sat
Jan 13 05:25:27 <K`zan> Ah, right I got to add topo again...
Jan 13 05:25:31 <ds3> yep
Jan 13 05:25:48 <ds3> but I still want a vector databased based mapped for roads
Jan 13 05:26:07 <ds3> SA has its problems, but it was quite usable on the Treo
Jan 13 05:27:42 <ds3> did I hear someone saying 32G SDHC cards will be around soon?
Jan 13 05:28:02 <GeneralAntilles> Panasonic just announced some
Jan 13 05:28:11 <GeneralAntilles> I'm guessing March-ish.
Jan 13 05:28:31 <ds3> Hmmmm splurge now and get a 16G or wait... so many choices
Jan 13 05:30:35 <Tak> mmm...64G N800
Jan 13 05:30:49 * Tak splurges all over the channel
Jan 13 05:31:00 <GeneralAntilles> Seriously
Jan 13 05:31:05 <GeneralAntilles> iTouch can burn in hell.
Jan 13 05:31:09 <GeneralAntilles> and so can the N810
Jan 13 05:31:12 <l7> why?
Jan 13 05:31:22 <GeneralAntilles> Dual SDHC
Jan 13 05:31:38 <l7> they're nice devices
Jan 13 05:31:42 <K`zan> And you aren't suck with a third rate gps aand camera...
Jan 13 05:32:11 <l7> yeah, i guess the n800 has a lot of storage potential
Jan 13 05:32:17 <l7> what would you do with all that storage?
Jan 13 05:32:22 <GeneralAntilles> MEDIA
Jan 13 05:32:23 <l7> media server? ;)
Jan 13 05:32:28 <K`zan> I'll let you know :) :-) :_)
Jan 13 05:32:31 <ds3> maps... TOPO/SAT
Jan 13 05:32:46 <l7> hrm, it might outclass the ipod classic soon
Jan 13 05:32:48 <GeneralAntilles> Biggest reason why the N900 needs SDHC is that it'll probably be able to do 720p with that OMAP3
Jan 13 05:32:50 <l7> well, someday
Jan 13 05:33:11 <ds3> Mmmmm OMAP3
Jan 13 05:33:20 <ds3> Cortex :)~~~~
Jan 13 05:33:21 <l7> n900 specs have been announced?
Jan 13 05:33:25 <GeneralAntilles> No
Jan 13 05:33:31 <GeneralAntilles> But what else CAN they use?
Jan 13 05:33:39 <GeneralAntilles> They're certainly not going Intel
Jan 13 05:33:45 <K`zan> I think I'd go with an eee pc before an 810...
Jan 13 05:33:48 <GeneralAntilles> and if they put another OMAP2 in there I'll kill them all.
Jan 13 05:33:58 <Tak> why not intel?
Jan 13 05:34:00 <ds3> Heh? intel... turn on for 20seconds and the battery dies ;)
Jan 13 05:34:05 <l7> i hope the n800 continues to be compatible
Jan 13 05:34:07 <GeneralAntilles> Whole platform is built on ARM?
Jan 13 05:34:19 <Tak> intel mids seem to be surviving
Jan 13 05:34:22 <GeneralAntilles> Aside from the fact that Intel's sub-mobile stuff just isn't ready for prime-time.
Jan 13 05:34:28 <GeneralAntilles> What Intel MIDs?
Jan 13 05:34:32 <ds3> the 2430 isn't bad... better DSP
Jan 13 05:34:36 <GeneralAntilles> The ones at CES? :P
Jan 13 05:34:44 <ds3> K`zan: seen the WiBrain?
Jan 13 05:35:48 <K`zan> No, I haven't.  Sometimes I think there are too many choices...
Jan 13 05:35:55 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Jan 13 05:35:59 <GeneralAntilles> Communism FTW!
Jan 13 05:36:19 <l7> Communism, or Apple
Jan 13 05:36:53 <ds3> WiBrain is like an N800 x86-ified
Jan 13 05:37:14 <Tak> same thing
Jan 13 05:37:26 <GeneralAntilles> Haha, l7.
Jan 13 05:37:30 <GeneralAntilles> MARKET choices. :P
Jan 13 05:37:39 <K`zan> I don't do intel, I prefer companies that have more engineers than lawyers :)
Jan 13 05:38:02 <l7> lol
Jan 13 05:38:06 <l7> the wibrain does have a nice keyboard
Jan 13 05:39:18 <ds3> EeePC/cloudbook would be more attractive if it had a touch screen
Jan 13 05:39:30 <ds3> (yes, I know there are mods)
Jan 13 06:56:22 <Delio> Hola
Jan 13 06:59:39 <Tak> buenas noches
Jan 13 07:03:07 <Epeloon> hi, is there a way to use LaTex on n800 with OS2008? Thanks.
Jan 13 07:20:30 <Delio> Hey anyone knows exactly what r&d mode for OS2008 mode does?
Jan 13 07:25:51 <mbuf> do we need to move to vmware sdk appliance for maemo development, or is there qemu support for Maemo?
Jan 13 07:26:28 <GeneralAntilles> Delio, turns off the root protection, allows you to turn it on without a delay and does some other stuff to the hardware watchdog.
Jan 13 07:26:58 <Delio> thanks
Jan 13 07:27:14 <Delio> is the only option on or off? Or are tehre several flags?
Jan 13 07:28:00 <Delio> I looked into the initfs and foind that rclinux tests for rdmode before enabling boot menu
Jan 13 07:28:26 <Delio> I'd like to enable it but I want to know what are the other sideeffects first
Jan 13 07:29:59 <Delio> --set-rd-flags [arg]          Set R&D mode flags on the device <--- which flags >.<
Jan 13 07:30:00 <GeneralAntilles> Not much else
Jan 13 07:30:13 <Delio> cannot find that piece of info anywhere
Jan 13 07:30:34 <GeneralAntilles> It's on google
Jan 13 07:30:36 <GeneralAntilles> I believe
Jan 13 07:30:42 <GeneralAntilles> I think it's pretty mundane stuff.
Jan 13 07:30:51 <GeneralAntilles> I don't remember it, and there's probably a reason. :P
Jan 13 07:31:06 <pupnik> Don't turn it on unless you know exactly why you need it on.
Jan 13 07:31:24 <pupnik> heya GeneralAntilles
Jan 13 07:31:32 <GeneralAntilles> Howdy, pupnik.
Jan 13 07:31:36 <GeneralAntilles> How's life with a real device? :P
Jan 13 07:31:44 <Delio> as I said I'd like to see a boot device selection menu at power up
Jan 13 07:32:32 <pupnik> The speakers are a real letdown - dunno if they're defective.  Mplayer loses sync on a lot of .flvs.  Case got dented on the first day in my travel bag.
Jan 13 07:32:48 <pupnik> Other than that it's incredibly cool.
Jan 13 07:33:50 <pupnik> Also gonna get a spare battery pack.  770 seems to last a bit longer
Jan 13 07:34:07 <pupnik> Dpad isn't as bad as I feared.
Jan 13 07:34:38 <GeneralAntilles> Speakers on the N800 are really good
Jan 13 07:34:40 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder.
Jan 13 07:34:52 <pupnik> yeah they have a lot more room on 770 and N800
Jan 13 07:35:21 <pupnik> i mean, i can hear what's playing and stuff, but my 770 is a lot louder than the N810
Jan 13 07:35:37 <pupnik> and the 810 sound is highly distorted at all volumes
Jan 13 07:37:50 <GeneralAntilles> That's pretty nasty.
Jan 13 07:38:00 <GeneralAntilles> I think they sacrificed too much for a size reduction, personally.
Jan 13 07:38:42 <pupnik> well i hear other people praising the N810 speakers a lot
Jan 13 07:39:50 <pupnik> so i really can't say.  I'm not going to return it (it serves its purpose - letting me test games/emus)
Jan 13 07:57:02 <Zic> hi
Jan 13 08:04:55 <Addison> Greetings everyone!  Anyone here still conscious this late at night?  :o)
Jan 13 08:10:51 <Lynoure> Addison: morning, 10, here.
Jan 13 08:11:13 <Lynoure> I wonder if there is anywhere where I can leave a bounty for Evince for OS2008?
Jan 13 08:12:00 <Addison> Where are you from that makes it 10 am Lynoure?
Jan 13 08:12:10 <Lynoure> Finland :)
Jan 13 08:13:05 <Lynoure> Isn't that almost the expected place for a person interested in Nokia Linux thing to be from, if they are on irc on top of that? :)
Jan 13 08:13:39 <Addison> I didn't know Finland was really known for anything to be honest.  :op
Jan 13 08:14:06 <Lynoure> Nokia is from Finland, and so is Linux and irc
Jan 13 08:14:24 <Addison> Well, shows you how much I know.
Jan 13 08:14:56 <Lynoure> I guess quite many people think Nokia is from Japan =)
Jan 13 08:15:47 <Addison> Well, I was hoping to just pick up on a few conversations here.  I don't have really a first clue on what to do with my N800.
Jan 13 08:16:38 <GeneralAntilles> Addison, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=What_can_I_do_with_this_thing%3F
Jan 13 08:16:40 <GeneralAntilles> :P
Jan 13 08:16:46 <jott> Addison: write an app for it that shows some random messages on what you could do with your spare time ;)
Jan 13 08:17:05 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 13 08:17:11 <GeneralAntilles> "Get a life, jerkoff"
Jan 13 08:17:12 <Lynoure> I use mine a lot for reading pdfs, thus I'll prolly need to flash it back to os2007 soon
Jan 13 08:17:26 <GeneralAntilles> "Get off the couch and wash yourself, asshat"
Jan 13 08:17:50 <Lynoure> and for web, and skype, and occasional ssh session
Jan 13 08:17:51 <GeneralAntilles> Lynoure, the built-in PDF reader under OS2008 is pretty good, no?
Jan 13 08:17:57 <Lynoure> GeneralAntilles: No.
Jan 13 08:18:05 <GeneralAntilles> Much better than the OS2007 one, anyway.
Jan 13 08:18:10 <Addison> Am I in a bad mood or am I picking up so weird negative vibes from somewhere?  :o)
Jan 13 08:18:37 <Lynoure> GeneralAntilles: it loads the next page way slower than Evince and makes it quite easy to accidentally switch pages. Then getting the previous one also takes long.
Jan 13 08:18:50 <GeneralAntilles> You could always port it, Lynoure. :P
Jan 13 08:18:53 <Lynoure> way slower = often 5s or so
Jan 13 08:19:05 <Addison> Hey thanks for the link General!  That was exactly what I was hoping for!
Jan 13 08:19:17 <GeneralAntilles> Put that together a couple days ago.
Jan 13 08:19:34 <Lynoure> GeneralAntilles: heh, if I ported it myself with my 0% maemo porting experience, it would be much wasted for the other people I know also wanting evince
Jan 13 08:20:09 <Lynoure> I bet it would vacuum :)
Jan 13 08:20:17 <GeneralAntilles> That would be pretty cool.
Jan 13 08:20:26 <GeneralAntilles> Sorta like a Roomba? :P
Jan 13 08:21:05 <Lynoure> Do people normally name their Roombas? :) Ours is called Lo
Jan 13 08:22:05 <GeneralAntilles> I've got a 1st-gen with a dead battery.
Jan 13 08:22:15 <GeneralAntilles> No name.
Jan 13 08:22:51 <GeneralAntilles> I need to get a new battery for it. It'd be great for the apartment I'm in now.
Jan 13 08:23:57 <Addison> What college do you attend GeneralAntilles?
Jan 13 08:24:19 <GeneralAntilles> Florida State
Jan 13 08:24:37 <Addison> So you party hard then?  :o)
Jan 13 08:24:42 <Lynoure> GeneralAntilles: but, if you point me to a good porting howto, I'll promise to at least look at it :)
Jan 13 08:24:47 <GeneralAntilles> A little. ;)
Jan 13 08:24:59 <GeneralAntilles> Lynoure, don't know of one. :D
Jan 13 08:25:10 * GeneralAntilles doesn't know Gtk either. ;)
Jan 13 08:29:56 <pupnik> how to waste a morning, youtube "japanese prank"
Jan 13 08:30:30 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Jan 13 08:30:45 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, did you ever happen to feel out the 770's media limits?
Jan 13 08:30:50 <Addison> Hey pupnik, how goes it?
Jan 13 08:30:58 <GeneralAntilles> Specifically, MPEG4 at 240x320, what bitrate can it manage?
Jan 13 08:31:29 <pupnik> not really, it's codec dependent
Jan 13 08:31:38 <|tbb|> generalantilles: seen your post @ itt "But no, there is no hit with a large hosts. Instead of resolving the URL from a DNS server, it resolves from the hosts, which points nowhere." what does it mean? large host file is bad?
Jan 13 08:31:43 <pupnik> but it handled all 'reasonable' bitrates here - like up to about 600 or so
Jan 13 08:32:11 <GeneralAntilles> Means, the post wasn't very clear. :P
Jan 13 08:32:15 <GeneralAntilles> Cool, thanks, pupnik.
Jan 13 08:32:18 <Addison> Hey pupnik, you never answered my latest post in your Dosbox thread.  I was asking you what the status was on that.
Jan 13 08:32:27 <GeneralAntilles> a big hosts file has no speed impact
Jan 13 08:32:42 <GeneralAntilles> It just checks there first before going to a DNS server
Jan 13 08:32:44 <pupnik> uh well newer 0.72 with fixed pointer alignment should be up on my site
Jan 13 08:32:54 <pupnik> s/pointer//
Jan 13 08:32:54 <infobot> pupnik meant: uh well newer 0.72 with fixed  alignment should be up on my site
Jan 13 08:33:20 <Addison> I also asked about what the approximate speed it runs at comparable to a computer.
Jan 13 08:33:30 <Addison> Is is somewhere around 4 mghz?
Jan 13 08:33:39 <GeneralAntilles> What runs at?
Jan 13 08:33:45 <Addison> Is it somewhere around 4 mghz?
Jan 13 08:33:57 <pupnik> on 770 about 4.77-8 mhz 8086, on 810 about 8-10 mhz 8086/80286
Jan 13 08:34:07 <Addison> Sorry, I'm a little drunk right now.  I'd probably would have better luck typing with my feet.  :o)
Jan 13 08:34:22 <Addison> Thanks pupnik.  That's all I was asking for.
Jan 13 08:34:38 <Lynoure> Addison: don't worry, it could have been milligigahertz :)
Jan 13 08:35:16 <pupnik> if we ever get a dynamic cpu recompiler for x86-arm the speed will go up a lot
Jan 13 08:35:27 <Addison> So your done with your project of Dosbox?  No more updates or things to look forward to?
Jan 13 08:35:57 <pupnik> there's tons left to do
Jan 13 08:36:14 <Addison> Have you gotten your 810 in the mail yet?
Jan 13 08:36:17 <pupnik> a sdl-game launcher, savestates, accelerated 320x200 / 320x240 vga modes
Jan 13 08:36:17 <pupnik> yes
Jan 13 08:36:28 <Addison> Excellent!  :o)
Jan 13 08:37:10 <Addison> What kind of junk do you have running in Dosbox or don't you use it that much?
Jan 13 08:37:14 <pupnik> also n810 keyboard support, and of course a decent one-click installer
Jan 13 08:38:44 <pupnik> i played some ultima 5 and prince of persia and alleycat
Jan 13 08:39:44 <Addison> How does prince of persia fair?  Like does it run really chunky?
Jan 13 08:40:13 <pupnik> on 770 with a tweaked dosbox.conf (frameskip, cpu cycles) it was just barely playable
Jan 13 08:41:05 <ha1f> can sdl_media play mp3's on the n800/n810?
Jan 13 08:41:59 <pupnik> dunno
Jan 13 08:42:33 <ha1f> bummer.
Jan 13 08:43:38 <unique311_> dosbox is a game emu?
Jan 13 08:43:58 <ha1f> it's a dos emulator in general afiak
Jan 13 08:44:03 <pupnik> it's an x86 PC emulator with built-in dos shell
Jan 13 08:44:57 <ha1f> does anyone know if there is anyway to play an mp3 in python on the n800/n810?  pygame fails completely.
Jan 13 08:45:44 <pupnik> if you install gstreamer tools/utils, you can play a mp3 with a system call
Jan 13 08:46:31 <pupnik> which is kind of nice because it'll use the dsp instead of cpu
Jan 13 08:46:54 <ha1f> will i have control over the mp3, or will it just play after the call?
Jan 13 08:46:56 <jott> pupnik: speaking of ultima, would you like to update your port for os2008 or put the original diff somewhere?
Jan 13 08:47:07 <jott> (exult)
Jan 13 08:47:24 <pupnik> wanna help work on exult?! :)
Jan 13 08:47:37 <jott> why not :)
Jan 13 08:47:42 <pupnik> wooo
Jan 13 08:49:02 <pupnik> just a minute
Jan 13 08:49:18 <jott> mh can someone reproduce: in the chinook sdk run "rpcgen", i'll get "/scratchbox/tools/alien_bin/rpcgen.bin: error while loading shared libraries: /scratchbox/tools/alien_bin/rpcgen.bin: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
Jan 13 08:49:55 <jott> (with armel selected)
Jan 13 08:53:37 <|tbb|> is there a known way to send sms with n810 from skype account?
Jan 13 09:05:39 <Lynoure> Hmm, even my desktop skype does not seem to offer sms
Jan 13 09:06:42 <|tbb|> mine does
Jan 13 09:07:49 <ha1f> sms, or chat?  i've never noticed an sms feature...
Jan 13 09:08:09 <Lynoure> |tbb|: Where? on which version?
Jan 13 09:08:45 <ha1f> oh wow it does have that feature
Jan 13 09:08:51 <ha1f> http://www.skype.com/help/guides/sms.html
Jan 13 09:09:12 <ha1f> don't see it on my n800 though :\
Jan 13 09:10:10 <Lynoure> On this Linux skype I don't even have a Tools menu
Jan 13 09:10:17 <|tbb|> ha1f that's my problem
Jan 13 09:10:24 <Lynoure> and it is the latest beta there is.
Jan 13 09:11:36 <Khertan> jott: same thing here
Jan 13 09:11:53 <Khertan> Hi
Jan 13 09:12:00 <jott> thanks for testing..
Jan 13 09:12:17 <Khertan> Someone know how can i make a transparent gtk label ?
Jan 13 09:12:50 <jott> any idea how i can fix this? (i.e. force arm based rpcgen or create this alien_bin dir)?
Jan 13 09:12:58 <|tbb|> i wonder why skype doesnt offer this service on maemo or even on website
Jan 13 09:13:10 <Khertan> i mean a gtk.Label with a trasparent background
Jan 13 09:13:24 <Lynoure> |tbb|: do they offer it in some Linux skype? If so, which one?
Jan 13 09:13:54 <Khertan> jott: don't know sorry
Jan 13 09:13:57 <Lynoure> Not that their sms prices are any less than normal sms prices here :)
Jan 13 09:15:24 <|tbb|> your right no sms on nix xsytems
Jan 13 09:17:38 <Khertan> i like the pygtk faq
Jan 13 09:17:39 <Khertan> 13.42. How do I show a picture (image) in a treeview background or exist any way how to set treeview (and window with treeview) as transparency ?
Jan 13 09:17:43 <Khertan> R U KIDDING ME?
Jan 13 09:17:52 <Khertan> this is their answer
Jan 13 09:18:01 <Khertan> very helpfull
Jan 13 09:50:21 <Addison> Hey pupnik, are you still here?
Jan 13 09:56:21 <|tbb|> inz, generalantiles found a way now,thx to #bash printf '\033c\033[!p\033[?3;4l\033>'
Jan 13 09:57:04 <GeneralAntilles> Cool
Jan 13 09:58:42 <|tbb|> yeah :)
Jan 13 10:12:52 <Khertan> does source of available home applet in 2008 are available somewhere
Jan 13 10:13:00 <Khertan> ?
Jan 13 10:13:13 <pupnik> jenesaispas
Jan 13 10:13:32 <pupnik> hi Addison
Jan 13 10:14:18 <melmoth> Khertan: apt-get source ?
Jan 13 10:14:31 <Khertan> hum ... don t see it ...
Jan 13 10:14:37 <Khertan> in apt-cache
Jan 13 10:14:39 <Addison> Oh hey!  I wanted to ask you if you are able to get any music or sound in Dosbox?
Jan 13 10:19:18 <melmoth> Khertan: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Writing_a_Plug-in_for_Maemo
Jan 13 10:19:46 <melmoth> now, i remember there was also this video presentation about the pythn pluggin and a hello world with it, but i forgot the url
Jan 13 10:29:00 <melmoth> http://blogs.gnome.org/lucasr/2007/03/22/writing-a-hello-world-python-plugin-for-hildon-desktop/
Jan 13 10:48:04 <UCLAgeek> is anyone out there?
Jan 13 10:49:12 <pupnik> In the epistemological sense?
Jan 13 10:49:44 <UCLAgeek> heh
Jan 13 10:49:55 <UCLAgeek> In any sense I suppose
Jan 13 10:50:23 <UCLAgeek> I'm trying out KDE on the n 800
Jan 13 10:50:50 <pupnik> how's it working for you?
Jan 13 10:51:12 <UCLAgeek> good so far, have you seen/tried it?
Jan 13 10:54:34 <UCLAgeek> hmm
Jan 13 10:57:45 <Khertan> melmoth: yes i ve saw this video ... but what i m looking is writing text with transparent backgroud :)
Jan 13 10:58:16 <Khertan> melmoth: i ve already one plugin which work ... but it lack transparency
Jan 13 11:00:11 <Khertan> melmoth: and if i understand the source in the wiki ... it s not a transparent widget too ... :'
Jan 13 11:01:48 <melmoth> hmm. I never tryed to do any transparent stuff.
Jan 13 11:09:37 <Khertan> melmoth: me too ... but needed for a home applet :)
Jan 13 11:21:59 <Cptnodegard> anyone have any idea how to change colors for GPE summary?
Jan 13 11:27:09 <pupnik> haha nice.. the idling n810 got disconnected from my wep wlan and gave a system sound
Jan 13 11:27:21 <pupnik> so i fired up kismet on the 770 and found someone blasting deauth packets
Jan 13 11:28:30 <pupnik> probably the neighbor kid
Jan 13 11:29:20 <pupnik> kudos to nokia for making OS2008 play a sound when it loses connection :)
Jan 13 11:29:50 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 13 11:29:54 <GeneralAntilles> Did you hax his box? :P
Jan 13 11:30:19 <pupnik> no, not interested in that kind of game
Jan 13 11:30:28 <GeneralAntilles> Redirect all all his DNS requests to the NSA's website.
Jan 13 11:30:34 <GeneralAntilles> *of
Jan 13 11:32:23 <pupnik> hmrm
Jan 13 11:32:40 <pupnik> if I set up hostAP i think there will be no ssid broadcast
Jan 13 11:32:52 <pupnik> or just do usb networking for now
Jan 13 11:33:18 <lcuk> mornin folks
Jan 13 11:34:39 <pupnik> huhu
Jan 13 11:34:43 <GeneralAntilles> Switch to WPA2
Jan 13 11:37:40 <lcuk> i have a compiling question...  i can code and run python quite happily now with my windows based editor and scp copying, but if i need a c module compiling i am stuck.   is it possible to compile directly on the device? i know its impractical for big jobs but for what i need it would be benificial
Jan 13 11:50:59 <melmoth> lcuk: it supposed to be possible, but i never try it.
Jan 13 11:53:11 <lcuk> melmoth, i suppose i will try it then, its just everything ive read was geared to scratchbox which seems like an awful lot just for small mods
Jan 13 11:53:47 <lcuk> i will document my trials and see where i get up to :)
Jan 13 12:00:04 <melmoth> if you dont need anything fancy, scratchbox install and works easily
Jan 13 12:01:11 <pupnik> http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO_FlashLatestNokiaImageWithLinux
Jan 13 12:01:26 <pupnik> the wiki still links to the 42-18 os2008
Jan 13 12:01:35 <pupnik> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php?f=RX-44_2008SE_1.2007.42-18_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
Jan 13 12:01:39 <pupnik> where is the newer one
Jan 13 12:02:48 <GeneralAntilles> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php ?
Jan 13 12:03:14 <lcuk> mel - i have windows desktop - since i have a linux box in my hand i would have thought i could do it directly on here.  i will be finding out later
Jan 13 12:03:26 <pupnik> sorry stupid question
Jan 13 12:04:21 <pupnik> (entering your code leads to a page with three images)
Jan 13 12:04:28 <lcuk> pupnik its not a stupid question if the wiki is out of date and you are trying to follow its instructions
Jan 13 12:05:00 <pupnik> well it's rather irrelevant since after entering code, you see all versions available
Jan 13 12:05:12 <mbuf> where can i get the source code for qemu for Maemo?
Jan 13 12:05:21 <pupnik> wiki should just link to the link GeneralAntilles referenced
Jan 13 12:05:29 <lcuk> agreed
Jan 13 12:05:31 <GeneralAntilles> Fix it, then.
Jan 13 12:05:51 * lcuk cannot - not joined yet
Jan 13 12:07:24 <lcuk> i think i need to start joining all these clubs
Jan 13 12:08:45 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 13 12:09:15 * Jaffa has a plan to solve the repository problem. Need to write it up for maemo-devel
Jan 13 12:09:46 <lcuk> omg jaffa im so sorry i think i am eating your brother right now
Jan 13 12:09:47 <timely> Jaffa: what problems? :)
Jan 13 12:09:58 * lcuk puts down the orange
Jan 13 12:10:02 <Jaffa> lcuk: small ones are more juicy, naturally
Jan 13 12:10:14 <timely> Jaffa: afaict people still use mine and it still works :)
Jan 13 12:11:27 <Jaffa> timely: not that problem, the whole "lets have lots of them and it's not a problem for the users cos it's so easy for us devs" problem kinda thing
Jan 13 12:12:24 <lcuk> jaffa - one repo to rule them all - one repo to bind them
Jan 13 12:12:44 <timely> lcuk: and in the darkness only gronmayer will find them
Jan 13 12:12:51 <lcuk> lol
Jan 13 12:13:22 <timely> Jaffa: step one: shoot all the devs
Jan 13 12:13:26 <timely> step two: ...
Jan 13 12:13:36 <Jaffa> step three: profit!
Jan 13 12:13:39 <lcuk> actually, in the (minimum setting nokia decides is darkness) only gronmayer....
Jan 13 12:14:15 <timely> oh right, i forgot that step
Jan 13 12:14:19 <Jaffa> Reminds me of the old MS joke: How many Microsoft developers does it take to change a lightbulb? None, they just define dark as the new industry standard and move on.
Jan 13 12:14:38 * timely grins
Jan 13 12:15:05 <lcuk> in soviet russia, darkness defines YOU!
Jan 13 12:15:54 * lcuk cant believe he said that
Jan 13 12:18:04 <Lynoure> heh
Jan 13 12:22:59 <pupnik> gronmeyer's addition of one-click install for the various repos is quite nice
Jan 13 12:23:13 <[pablo]> is there an rss feed somewhere of latest updates on maemo.org/downloads ?
Jan 13 12:24:25 <[pablo]> nevermind, browser was being lame and not detecting it right, i found it
Jan 13 12:32:01 <Jaffa> pupnik: doesn't help with the lack of QA and the fact there's conflicting software between the repos.
Jan 13 12:32:43 <timely> Jaffa: do you know how to get hardware details from /proc?
Jan 13 12:32:52 <Jaffa> h/w details on what?
Jan 13 12:33:06 <Jaffa> s/on/of/
Jan 13 12:33:07 <infobot> Jaffa meant: h/w details of what?
Jan 13 12:33:18 <timely> essentially the tablet's hardware build identifier
Jan 13 12:33:27 <timely> there are theoretically different versions of the hardware
Jan 13 12:33:42 <Jaffa> Hmm, I've seen it mentioned somewhere; but can't remember the details.
Jan 13 12:33:46 <alterego> timeless, you mean RX44 etc ?
Jan 13 12:33:49 <timely> no
Jan 13 12:33:54 <Jaffa> Ah. Mrs Jaffa calling: lunch ready.
Jan 13 12:34:02 <timely> more granular
Jan 13 12:34:20 <alterego> Going buy RX44 is the best way imo
Jan 13 12:34:38 <alterego> That is the device's hardware name. That's it's profile.
Jan 13 12:34:42 <timely> alterego: so, for a given model, e.g. the 770
Jan 13 12:34:48 <timely> there is more than one hardware version
Jan 13 12:34:53 <timely> they're going to look the same
Jan 13 12:34:59 <alterego> So?
Jan 13 12:35:02 <timely> but they would have slightly different hardware components
Jan 13 12:35:05 <Khertan> [pablo]: browser isn't lame ... it the page source which lame ...
Jan 13 12:35:09 <timely> and if some of the components are flakier than others...
Jan 13 12:35:25 <alterego> Hmmm.
Jan 13 12:35:33 <[pablo]> Khertan: well, flock didn't recognize it but firefox did
Jan 13 12:35:53 <Khertan> [pablo]: huh ? my firefox didn't
Jan 13 12:35:59 <timely>  /proc/component_version
Jan 13 12:36:07 <timely> e.g. i have su-18/1602
Jan 13 12:36:15 <timely> the 1602 being the interesting part
Jan 13 12:36:36 <alterego> Yeah, that's probably more like what you're looking for.
Jan 13 12:36:38 <timely> Jaffa: i ask because for 2673, it'd be nice to know which versions people have
Jan 13 12:36:40 <[pablo]> Khertan: really? gave me the rss icon in the url bar and clicking on it provided3 feeds, 1 feed each for 2008/2007/2006
Jan 13 12:36:42 <alterego> hw-build etc.
Jan 13 12:36:55 <timely> alterego: i'm not asking because i don't know, i'm asking whether he new
Jan 13 12:37:04 <timely> and then spreading some information virally :)
Jan 13 12:37:09 <alterego> Ah
Jan 13 12:37:16 <alterego> Heh
Jan 13 12:37:18 * timely infects alterego and jacques
Jan 13 12:37:22 * timely infects alterego and Jaffa
Jan 13 12:37:32 <timely> go forth and multiply or something
Jan 13 12:37:53 <alterego> Not sure that's possible, both being guys and all :P
Jan 13 12:39:17 <timely> alterego: virii reproduce asexually
Jan 13 12:39:19 <timely> no problem there
Jan 13 12:39:29 <lcuk> khertan, bug report, editor still does not allow tap open of files from file manager, but will now open if i select app from the list.  however it opens 2 tabs a blank code window and the file i selected
Jan 13 12:40:17 <lcuk> ie tap file says unable to recognise file search for an app to open it
Jan 13 12:41:03 <lcuk> i select pygtked and it opens with the file then
Jan 13 12:41:12 <Khertan> lcuk: hum ... yes ... mime type ve been deleted in this release ... because it s not finished :)
Jan 13 12:42:04 <lcuk> thats fair enough, just thought i would let you know.  i have been more able to use it now with the indenting. ty
Jan 13 12:42:24 <Khertan> so it filemanager say that it don't recognize the file ... but if u select pygtkeditor it open it ... this wasn't the case in previous release ...
Jan 13 12:42:30 <Khertan> and ... Thanks for your report
Jan 13 12:43:02 <lcuk> no, previous release from repo just opened it with no file
Jan 13 12:43:03 <Khertan> lcuk: for information i ve successfuly use python binding for hildon desktop ...
Jan 13 12:43:21 <lcuk> cool
Jan 13 12:43:36 <Khertan> and i ve one home plugin which work ... but now i m trying to do it more ... cool ... (transparent mainly)
Jan 13 12:43:55 <lcuk> :)
Jan 13 12:44:07 <lcuk> brb
Jan 13 12:44:12 <Khertan> brb too
Jan 13 12:45:59 <ulises> aye up chaps
Jan 13 12:48:01 <lcuk> can 8x0s overheat if you lay them on top of a pillow? i was sat with it on a pillow on my knee and i notice its warm
Jan 13 12:48:44 * lcuk has it on a book now just incase but the back is very slippery
Jan 13 12:52:02 <hugolp> anyone knows where I can find mysql-client for OS2008?
Jan 13 12:52:10 <hugolp> renatofilho^:  you arround?
Jan 13 12:52:12 <pupnik> i doubt they overheat lcuk
Jan 13 12:53:05 <ciccio124> !list
Jan 13 12:53:46 <lcuk> i doubt it too, but it was just a thought
Jan 13 12:54:56 <lcuk> on the slippery back subject, does anyone know where i can get a big sheet of sticky back rubber - like a massive tyre puncture repair patch
Jan 13 12:55:23 <lcuk> i want to coat the entire back of my 810 so it grips better
Jan 13 12:56:15 <jeddy3> lcuk isn't there some kind of paint/spray that would work?
Jan 13 12:57:46 <lcuk> i dunno, the best i have found is a puncture repair thing ive got a couple stuck on the left hand side but they keep coming off - but at least with a a patch i can take it off again if i want to sell it.  with paint i cant
Jan 13 12:57:52 <ulises> anyone tried XFCE on the 770?
Jan 13 12:58:51 <ulises> I just got mine and I'd like to start messing about with it
Jan 13 13:01:21 <lcuk> ulises people have diff desktops compiling on diff models (think kde is latest) but ive not heard of xfce .  have you tried a google?
Jan 13 13:01:35 <ulises> tried indeed
Jan 13 13:01:48 <ulises> my question was more aimed at porting different WM to the tablet
Jan 13 13:01:52 <ulises> such as fluxbox
Jan 13 13:01:59 <ulises> just compiled it and it works
Jan 13 13:02:26 <ulises> integration is far from acceptable, but that's me blindly killing matchbox and running fluxbox
Jan 13 13:02:45 <ulises> so I was more asking for documentation on how to replace the default desktop with your own
Jan 13 13:02:57 <ulises> sorry if I asked the wrong question :)
Jan 13 13:03:33 <lcuk> np i just looked and some1 aappears to have xfce runnin
Jan 13 13:04:08 <pupnik> http://www.wired.com/politics/security/commentary/securitymatters/2008/01/securitymatters_0110   Bruce Schneier on why he runs an open wireless network
Jan 13 13:05:17 <pupnik> ulises - check internettablettalk.com for xfce examples
Jan 13 13:05:45 <ulises> cheers pup
Jan 13 13:06:18 * lcuk goes hub shoppin
Jan 13 13:10:57 <ulises> aaah, openbox ... nice
Jan 13 13:24:57 <czr> mornik
Jan 13 13:27:56 <Lynoure> czr: Hello :)
Jan 13 13:28:09 <czr> hey Lynoure, long time :-).
Jan 13 13:28:46 <Lynoure> czr: Would you happen to know any howto for getting os2007 apps to work for os2008 or just getting stuff os2008-happy? I'm having evince withdrawal symptoms
Jan 13 13:29:47 <czr> hmm. the mailinglist had some stuff about problems with evince (I think for 2008)
Jan 13 13:30:22 <czr> as for the other stuff, yes, I'd know something, but that's mostly to do with API changes and different names for libs (hildon and such)
Jan 13 13:30:43 <czr> mind you, I just came back from a one month vacation during which I thought about maemo for exactly zero times :-)
Jan 13 13:31:02 <Lynoure> I have not even seen evince for os2008. Even problematic one might be ok.
Jan 13 13:31:07 <Lynoure> Yey :)
Jan 13 13:31:20 <czr> let me check the ml what the thing was there..
Jan 13 13:33:03 <czr> search for "Build Evince on Maemo" from 2008-01-07 (from Ed Bartosh)
Jan 13 13:33:14 <czr> I think someone is doing a 2008 port as we speak (will go into garage)
Jan 13 13:33:37 <czr> Lynoure, the ml archives are available on maemo.org (look under the "Lists" section)
Jan 13 13:33:52 <czr> seems that evince needs some amount of patching anyway
Jan 13 13:34:02 <czr> and those patches were never pushed upstream since they were maemo-specific
Jan 13 13:35:34 <Lynoure> czr: a bit too complicated for a maemo newbie then, maybe.
Jan 13 13:35:53 <czr> Lynoure, probably. however, you might want to sub to the ml to see when evince is ready :-)
Jan 13 13:36:04 <czr> or just contact the people directly who are doing the port
Jan 13 13:36:09 <czr> they might want some help :-)
Jan 13 13:36:20 * czr has no idea how difficult the whole porting this is.
Jan 13 13:36:41 <czr> if one has working bora sw, porting that to chinook normally isn't all that hard
Jan 13 13:37:03 <Lynoure> czr: I could contact them and offer 10 euros for their refreshment budget
Jan 13 13:37:36 <czr> :-)
Jan 13 13:38:19 <Lynoure> I was quite happy with the old evince for os2008. It would not open every pdf, but that was ok
Jan 13 13:38:29 * czr nods
Jan 13 13:38:38 <czr> I honestly haven't used my devices for anything
Jan 13 13:38:53 <czr> during my vacation I started my N00 exactly once
Jan 13 13:38:55 <Lynoure> How was the vacation? :)
Jan 13 13:39:01 <czr> very relaxing :-)
Jan 13 13:39:17 <czr> ah yes, warm too :-) mostly.
Jan 13 13:59:41 <Jaffa> timely: FWIW, I've got hw-build 0801 on mine. Mrs Jaffa's is downstairs so can't check hers
Jan 13 14:58:20 <zoran> some soul uses dict app on the gadget with dictd server on the net?
Jan 13 15:23:35 <|tbb|> how can i easy list date of files in this format dd.mm.yyyy ? something like ls -al myfilename
Jan 13 15:24:49 <zoran> if I recall well, date command should be set with "+" and including []
Jan 13 15:25:05 <zoran> what shell?
Jan 13 15:26:42 <|tbb|> yes shell
Jan 13 15:26:53 <zoran> hm?
Jan 13 15:35:26 <petergunn> in gnu ls you can use --time-format but it wont work with busybox
Jan 13 15:35:50 <petergunn> oops --time-style :-)
Jan 13 15:36:22 <petergunn> perl script is probably easiest way
Jan 13 15:36:52 * |tbb| search for an method to do it in sh script i
Jan 13 15:37:22 <zoran> the most simple way would be to set time format as variable
Jan 13 15:37:49 <petergunn> does that work with busybox?
Jan 13 15:38:19 <zoran> dunno really
Jan 13 15:38:43 <zoran> I cannot guess what the very purpose should be
Jan 13 15:40:54 <zoran> someone has idea how to from imap send mail, as reply or intependently?
Jan 13 15:43:14 <petergunn> for f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[10]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",1+@t[4],1+@t[3],1900+@t[5];' $f; done
Jan 13 15:43:37 <petergunn> output...
Jan 13 15:43:39 <petergunn> 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2
Jan 13 15:43:39 <petergunn> 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb
Jan 13 15:43:39 <petergunn> 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb
Jan 13 15:43:39 <petergunn> 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb
Jan 13 15:43:39 <petergunn> 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/local.img
Jan 13 15:43:40 <petergunn> 01.13.2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img
Jan 13 15:45:37 <petergunn> lolz - dates were wrong - here is fixed version... (uses file mod time)...
Jan 13 15:45:47 <petergunn> for f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[9]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",1+@t[4],@t[3],1900+@t[5];' $f; done
Jan 13 15:46:05 <petergunn> 12.29.2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2
Jan 13 15:46:05 <petergunn> 01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb
Jan 13 15:46:05 <petergunn> 01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb
Jan 13 15:46:05 <petergunn> 01.08.2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb
Jan 13 15:46:05 <petergunn> 01.12.2008 /media/mmc2/local.img
Jan 13 15:46:06 <petergunn> 01.12.2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img
Jan 13 15:46:10 <petergunn> ls output...
Jan 13 15:46:36 <petergunn> -rw-r--r--    1 user     root    308317552 Dec 29 00:48 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2
Jan 13 15:46:36 <petergunn> -rw-r--r--    1 user     root       308122 Jan  8 21:10 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb
Jan 13 15:46:36 <petergunn> -rw-r--r--    1 user     root     21260684 Jan  8 22:31 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb
Jan 13 15:46:36 <petergunn> -rw-r--r--    1 user     root       510548 Jan  8 21:16 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb
Jan 13 15:46:36 <petergunn> -rw-r--r--    1 user     root    1342177280 Jan 12 12:39 /media/mmc2/local.img
Jan 13 15:46:37 <petergunn> -rw-r--r--    1 user     root    134217728 Jan 12 12:39 /media/mmc2/swap.img
Jan 13 15:46:42 <zoran> date should be corrected, day first, as original poster wanted
Jan 13 15:46:59 <petergunn> ah ok...
Jan 13 15:47:16 <petergunn> for f in /media/mmc2/*; do perl -e '@s=stat(@ARGV[0]); @t=localtime(@s[9]); printf "%02d.%02d.%04d @ARGV[0]\n",@t[3],@t[4],1900+@t[5];' $f; done
Jan 13 15:47:23 <petergunn> 29.11.2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2
Jan 13 15:47:58 <zoran> and sorting in 3 loops, prom year, to month, to day
Jan 13 15:48:02 <zoran> *from
Jan 13 15:48:13 <|tbb|> petergunn thx, but that wasnt what i want i just wanted to know if there is an easy way without doing loops etc
Jan 13 15:48:23 <|tbb|> -perl
Jan 13 15:48:29 <zoran> yes, lemme check some old cd
Jan 13 15:48:34 <petergunn> if you output YYYY-MM-DD you can just use sort cmd
Jan 13 15:49:54 <Jaffa> Right, grand plan unveiled on maemo-dev. Time to decamp to the sofa for a cuppa.
Jan 13 15:50:06 * petergunn would prefer if os2008 came with GNU ls, and syntax highlighting vim
Jan 13 15:50:39 <zoran> $(date +%d-%m-%Y)
Jan 13 15:50:42 <pupnik> there's a very nice vi build from bsd avail at abour 200kB
Jan 13 15:50:56 <pupnik> stock linux vim is a bloated whale at ~5MB
Jan 13 15:51:26 <petergunn> zoran: nice - I didnt realize that ash was that capable  :-)
Jan 13 15:51:39 <zoran> I used it for tcsh
Jan 13 15:51:53 <zoran> now, lets see old cd
Jan 13 15:53:56 <petergunn> for f in /media/mmc2/*; do date -r $f +"%d-%m-%Y $f"; done
Jan 13 15:53:56 <petergunn> 29-12-2007 /media/mmc2/KDE358.tar.bz2
Jan 13 15:53:56 <petergunn> 08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/kde-3.5.8-mmc2.deb
Jan 13 15:53:56 <petergunn> 08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/kdesup-3.5.8.deb
Jan 13 15:53:56 <petergunn> 08-01-2008 /media/mmc2/local-mmc2.deb
Jan 13 15:53:56 <petergunn> 12-01-2008 /media/mmc2/local.img
Jan 13 15:53:58 <petergunn> 12-01-2008 /media/mmc2/swap.img
Jan 13 15:54:22 <petergunn> nice :-)
Jan 13 15:54:33 <zoran> I cannot recall the app that trims parts of the line
Jan 13 15:54:51 <zoran> used it years ago and forgot
Jan 13 15:55:09 <petergunn> what u wanna trim?
Jan 13 15:55:25 <zoran> parts of output so | could make a job
Jan 13 15:55:36 <zoran> cut maybe
Jan 13 15:55:48 <zoran> yes, it is
Jan 13 15:55:52 <zoran> and -d
Jan 13 16:09:49 <alterego> Anyone know if the N95 has a memory card slot?
Jan 13 16:12:23 <kaltsi> yes it has
Jan 13 16:12:26 <kaltsi> microSD
Jan 13 16:21:37 <Khertan> Hi ... again ...
Jan 13 16:21:47 <Khertan> maybe some gtk guru can help me ...
Jan 13 16:22:08 <Khertan> i ve made a plugin with only a gtk.Frame in ...
Jan 13 16:22:15 <Khertan> but this frame is blank ...
Jan 13 16:22:26 <Khertan> how can i set the alpha or transparency ?
Jan 13 16:24:51 <alterego> I'm still suprised no-one has packages wireless tools yet.
Jan 13 16:26:49 <alterego> Okay .. Maybe someone has ^_^
Jan 13 16:28:18 <L0cN800> i have wirelesstools installed
Jan 13 16:29:22 <Khertan> alterego: it s already released ... but still useless
Jan 13 16:29:23 <Khertan> :)
Jan 13 16:29:50 <alterego> Heh
Jan 13 16:30:11 <Khertan> is there a chan somewhere where i can find gtk guru ?
Jan 13 16:30:34 <alterego> irc.gnome.org ##gtk+
Jan 13 16:30:42 <Khertan> hum ... thx alterego
Jan 13 16:30:51 <Khertan> come back later ...
Jan 13 16:30:53 <Khertan> :)
Jan 13 16:31:12 <Khertan> (i need to learn how to use irssi on multiple servers)
Jan 13 16:31:22 <alterego> Heh
Jan 13 16:33:59 <alterego> iwconfig appears to work on my N810 ..
Jan 13 16:35:22 * jsmith wanders away...
Jan 13 16:35:30 <LoCusF> heck, gotta get a E51 this year
Jan 13 16:36:24 <Khertan> iwconfig ? for setting mode monitoring ?
Jan 13 16:36:32 <Khertan> for setting MAC address ?
Jan 13 16:36:37 <|tbb|> khertan why i t should be useless=
Jan 13 16:36:54 <|tbb|> sed /=/?/
Jan 13 16:38:17 <Khertan> |tbb|: because setting something with it in the n800 in os2007 make the private driver not work properly
Jan 13 16:38:23 <alterego> Well, whatever I've done I've broken it :P
Jan 13 16:38:42 <alterego> I tried to set it to monitoring mode.
Jan 13 16:38:52 <alterego> Tried but failed.
Jan 13 16:38:59 <Khertan> arg ....
Jan 13 16:39:23 <|tbb|> hmmh
Jan 13 16:39:58 <|tbb|> what u mean with private driver
Jan 13 16:42:15 <alterego> It's not all a loss though. I'm going to compile the driver for my ZD1211 based USB dongle :)
Jan 13 16:42:31 <Khertan> this gtk/transparency problem will me make crazy ...
Jan 13 16:42:45 <alterego> Khertan, I did know how to do it. But I've forgotten sorry :/
Jan 13 16:42:59 <Khertan> alterego: grrrr ... :)
Jan 13 16:43:19 <Khertan> alterego: any links / tutos / beers ?
Jan 13 16:43:24 <alterego> Heh
Jan 13 16:43:53 <Khertan> alterego: you know that i ve finally made this hildondesktop binding works ...
Jan 13 16:44:03 <Khertan> this is why i need transparency :)
Jan 13 16:44:13 <alterego> http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/12/gtk-rgba-transparent-widgets-with-the-murrine-engine/
Jan 13 16:46:20 <Khertan> only with the rgba colormap ?
Jan 13 16:47:08 <Khertan> there isn't exampel it just say to set the rgba colormap ...
Jan 13 16:47:24 <alterego> Right
Jan 13 16:48:21 <Khertan> so a simple set_colormap in python should be enougth ... i m trying
Jan 13 16:48:34 <alterego> Yes
Jan 13 16:49:05 <Khertan> once i ve found the arguments of the methods :)
Jan 13 16:50:37 <Khertan> hum ... it take a gdk.ColorMap ...
Jan 13 16:50:46 <alterego> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-question-index.html    -- Item 1.25
Jan 13 16:50:50 <Khertan> but there isn't too many explication
Jan 13 16:50:50 <alterego> Sorry, 1.15 ..
Jan 13 16:51:54 <Khertan> i ve see this one last time on the faq
Jan 13 16:52:00 <Khertan> ocs/pygtk/class-gdkcolormap.html
Jan 13 16:52:09 <Khertan> transp
Jan 13 16:52:12 <Khertan> arg ...
Jan 13 16:52:21 <Khertan> http://faq.pygtk.org/index.py?req=show&file=faq13.042.htp
Jan 13 16:52:25 <pupnik> man, that's gonna be a compositing operation added to every draw... slow...
Jan 13 16:52:27 <Khertan> not very helpfull
Jan 13 16:52:46 <Khertan> pupnik: it s for hildondesktop ...
Jan 13 16:52:49 <Khertan> home applet
Jan 13 16:53:07 <pupnik> ok well, it does look pretty
Jan 13 16:53:11 <Khertan> :)
Jan 13 16:53:27 <Khertan> for a application transparency isn't needed :)
Jan 13 16:53:36 <solmumaha> pupnik: pm
Jan 13 17:00:01 <skibur> Good Morning!
Jan 13 17:00:17 <Khertan> ouch ... pygtk documentation / and api in maemo differs
Jan 13 17:00:25 <Khertan> def get_rgba_colormap()
Jan 13 17:00:39 <Khertan> in documentation ... and ask me an argument in python
Jan 13 17:01:16 <lmoura> Khertan, what OS? 2k7 or 2k8?
Jan 13 17:01:21 <Khertan> 2008
Jan 13 17:01:48 <Khertan> oups ... sorry ... it s a mistake
Jan 13 17:01:51 <skibur> Y2K8?
Jan 13 17:02:23 <Khertan> i m wrongly call it on a wrong object
Jan 13 17:02:34 <lmoura> oh, ok
Jan 13 17:03:21 <Khertan> i assume it was a static call
Jan 13 17:04:59 <lophyte-n> hey all... anyone know if its possible to read Microsoft eReader books on n800?
Jan 13 17:05:35 <Veggen> lophyte: probably not.
Jan 13 17:05:39 <spirytusick> lophyte-n: not directly, unpackage them with clit and then use your favourite reader (read FBReader) :)
Jan 13 17:05:53 <lophyte-n> ahhh, nice
Jan 13 17:06:26 <Khertan> lmoura: but there is another problem
Jan 13 17:06:46 <Khertan> lmoura: executing  gtk.gdk.Screen().get_rgba_colormap() give a segfault in ipython
Jan 13 17:07:41 <lophyte-n> clit can unpackage any lit? i don't want to buy a book and find out i can't read it on my n800
Jan 13 17:07:49 <Khertan> lmoura: and with python too
Jan 13 17:08:02 <Khertan> alterego: i ll never get my python transparent home applet:)
Jan 13 17:08:07 <Khertan> today
Jan 13 17:08:34 <alterego> Heh
Jan 13 17:09:12 <lmoura> Khertan, pastebin?
Jan 13 17:09:41 <lmoura> another thing, are you using the python-hildondesktop?
Jan 13 17:10:12 <spirytusick> lophyte-n: so far it unpackaged any I have tried it against
Jan 13 17:10:38 <Khertan> lmoura> just two line python script ...
Jan 13 17:10:53 <lmoura> oh, ok
Jan 13 17:11:20 <Khertan> http://pastebin.com/d111f3f0a
Jan 13 17:11:42 <lophyte-n> spirytusick, nice... thanks :)
Jan 13 17:11:45 <Khertan> lmoura: yes i'm using the python-hildondesktop ...
Jan 13 17:12:06 <Khertan> but for the segfault i ve made an example ...
Jan 13 17:12:24 <Khertan> lmoura: i ve successfully compiled it ... and using it at this time ...
Jan 13 17:12:26 <spirytusick> lophyte-n: I've been using it for quite some time now although most of my books are of palm descent...
Jan 13 17:13:04 <Khertan> lmoura: but now i m trying to do transparent hildondesktop home applet... to not break my nice wallpaper :)
Jan 13 17:13:08 <lmoura> Khertan, we are planning to release a package this week
Jan 13 17:13:22 <Khertan> great
Jan 13 17:13:47 <hugolp> anyone know where I can find packets to mysql-client for the OS2008?
Jan 13 17:13:50 <Khertan> i ve do too ... i was preparing my own repos ...
Jan 13 17:14:02 <Khertan> but it ll be better to have one in the same repos
Jan 13 17:14:15 <giskard> 213.156.44.152 -> repository.maemo.org gives me a 401 when  i try to "apt-get update"
Jan 13 17:14:37 <giskard> this is a already know bug, which prevent some italian users to connecto to repo.maemo.org
Jan 13 17:14:53 <giskard> do you know if there are others official repo?
Jan 13 17:15:25 <Khertan> lmoura: do u reproduct the segfault ?
Jan 13 17:16:16 <lmoura> Khertan, yes
Jan 13 17:16:24 <Khertan> lmoura: maybe i don t use gtk.gdk in a wrong way ...
Jan 13 17:16:32 <lmoura> I don't think so
Jan 13 17:16:35 <Khertan> s/don t use/use
Jan 13 17:16:40 <lmoura> it passes in desktop
Jan 13 17:16:47 <lmoura> so, probably there's something wrong
Jan 13 17:16:54 <lmoura> I'm writing a small c test
Jan 13 17:16:58 <Khertan> snif ...
Jan 13 17:17:15 <Khertan> i ll be not the first to release a nice transparent widget ... ;)
Jan 13 17:18:09 <alterego> :)
Jan 13 17:18:10 <Khertan> maybe i m on the wrong way ... the purpose was first to make a transparent label for my home applet ... but there is maybe an other way ?
Jan 13 17:18:28 <lophyte-n> spirytusick, do you buy ebooks at all?
Jan 13 17:19:13 <Khertan> alterego: don't laught ...
Jan 13 17:19:16 <Khertan> :
Jan 13 17:19:17 <Khertan> :)
Jan 13 17:19:31 <Khertan> brb in 8min
Jan 13 17:20:23 <lmoura> Khertan, the C function is returning null
Jan 13 17:21:29 <lmoura> Oh, another thing planned are goocanvas bindings
Jan 13 17:22:09 <lmoura> Their demo runs quite fine, even animations
Jan 13 17:24:33 <alterego> Ooo .. I know what I can do with my N800 ..
Jan 13 17:27:03 <solmumaha> sell it to me?
Jan 13 17:27:15 <alterego> I have two ideas. One get my brother to give me a new phone when he gets a new handset on his contract and swap it for the N800, the second is to work on my own OS for it.
Jan 13 17:27:53 <alterego> Three ideas: Third is to try and get the development maemo tree on it :)
Jan 13 17:28:58 <lmoura> Khertan, I got it. pygobject_new(NULL) segfaults
Jan 13 17:29:12 <Khertan> re
Jan 13 17:29:27 * alterego chuckles.
Jan 13 17:29:29 <alterego> That's not good.
Jan 13 17:29:39 <Khertan> lmoura: so how to do ?
Jan 13 17:30:12 <alterego> solmumaha, I'm setting up my maemo SDK now. So I'm a little behind schedule but hopefully 0.4.1 will be out on Wednesday :)
Jan 13 17:30:27 <lmoura> Khertan, I guess you'll have to wait a bit until we release a fix by this week (probably tuesday)
Jan 13 17:31:38 * jsmith wanders away...
Jan 13 17:33:22 <Khertan> lmoura: ah ... ok. thx for your help !
Jan 13 17:39:29 <lmoura> Khertan, we forgot something
Jan 13 17:39:33 <lmoura> import pygtk :)
Jan 13 17:39:37 <lmoura> It works
Jan 13 17:39:45 <alterego> Hah
Jan 13 17:40:01 <lmoura> Well, at least doen't segfaults, but returns none (as in C)
Jan 13 17:40:04 <alterego> Ah yes, I remember in the source they don't include dependencies ..
Jan 13 17:44:43 <lophyte-n> anyone know a good site to buy ebooks that i can read on my n800?
Jan 13 19:47:34 * petergunn wakes up and looks around
Jan 13 19:56:05 <skibur> ?
Jan 13 19:57:07 <inz> petergunn, you see a gaping hole below you
Jan 13 20:00:40 <Robot101> this is badgeredbeyond belief badgers on a snakeyayayawoot on badgers indeed
Jan 13 20:00:45 <Robot101> hm
Jan 13 20:00:53 <Robot101> that was a test, apologies :)
Jan 13 20:02:28 <pupnik> badger mushroom?
Jan 13 20:02:59 <GeneralAntilles> Robot101, you failed.
Jan 13 20:03:02 * Robot101 is playing with wondershaper to make his ssh more interactive
Jan 13 20:03:09 * Robot101 isn't succeeding
Jan 13 20:03:16 * Robot101 can't remember what the speed of his cable line is
Jan 13 20:03:29 <Robot101> well, not mine, my housemate's
Jan 13 20:03:42 * lcuk hopes his cable speed is zero
Jan 13 20:03:57 * lcuk hates it when it waves around in the wind
Jan 13 20:05:34 <Robot101> ooh thats a lot better
Jan 13 20:05:42 <Robot101> I have a really slow upload it seems
Jan 13 20:05:51 <Robot101> maybe it's 2Mbit down, 128 up
Jan 13 20:10:13 * jsmith wanders away...
Jan 13 20:45:14 <Delio> hello
Jan 13 20:46:56 <petergunn> anyone used vpnc thru DUN?
Jan 13 21:11:45 <nick_fn> What is the difference between "arm" and "armel" architectures?
Jan 13 21:12:52 <Robot101> the el means endian little, which is a bad joke
Jan 13 21:13:10 <Robot101> but arm is little endian too
Jan 13 21:13:15 <Robot101> it's actually different because it uses the new ARM ABI
Jan 13 21:13:30 <nick_fn> So armel is the N770, and arm is the N8x0 ?
Jan 13 21:13:37 <Robot101> which changes the way that the registers are laid out when functions are called
Jan 13 21:13:48 <Robot101> and also how system calls are made in the kernel
Jan 13 21:13:58 <Robot101> to take advantage of new CPU features in more recent ARM cores
Jan 13 21:14:20 <nick_fn> I ask because I'm trying to find gnumeric for OS2007/N800. It's listed at http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/gnumeric/ , but the packages are only for armel.
Jan 13 21:14:35 <Robot101> armel is the newer one
Jan 13 21:14:42 <Robot101> the N770 was arm, the N800 onwards uses armel
Jan 13 21:14:46 <nick_fn> ah, ok.
Jan 13 21:15:04 <nick_fn> thanks :-)
Jan 13 21:15:59 <Blafasel> Hrmpf. Still waiting and praying that I get my device tomorrow..
Jan 13 21:18:44 <Delio> someone the other day was showing off some code to create desktop applets in python
Jan 13 21:19:15 <Delio> any chances to get that published somewhere?
Jan 13 21:22:21 <lcuk> delio unless they were just showing you screenshots then you should have the code
Jan 13 21:22:30 <lcuk> or was he just talking about them
Jan 13 21:22:40 <Delio> just talking about it
Jan 13 21:22:56 <Delio> and I cannot recall who it was
Jan 13 21:22:58 <Delio> >.<
Jan 13 21:23:19 <lcuk> have a look back through the history log (its done daily - google finds it) and see if you can find him
Jan 13 21:24:41 <lcuk> looking myself it was (who i thought it was) khertan
Jan 13 21:27:07 <lcuk> http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=%23maemo+log+python+desktop+applet+delio&btnG=Search&meta=
Jan 13 21:28:01 <Delio> thanks a lot, I forgot about the log history :P
Jan 13 21:28:36 <lcuk> :)
Jan 13 21:42:03 <spirytusick> time to take the red pill....
Jan 13 21:42:07 <spirytusick> gd night...
Jan 13 21:43:03 <__Nikos__> is there a bluetooth headset for n800 os2007?
Jan 13 21:43:32 <Blafasel> Interesting. Someone in the log said that the N800 is "better" than the N810? Is that the overall opinion?
Jan 13 21:43:37 <GeneralAntilles> Not really.
Jan 13 21:43:40 <GeneralAntilles> Duh, Blafasel.
Jan 13 21:43:58 <Blafasel> Yeah, right. It was you.
Jan 13 21:44:10 <GeneralAntilles> Cheaper, lighter, much much much more storage, not stupid thumbboard, no stupid button placement, etc.
Jan 13 21:44:28 <GeneralAntilles> s/not/no/
Jan 13 21:44:28 <infobot> GeneralAntilles meant: Cheaper, lighter, much much much more storage, no stupid thumbboard, no stupid button placement, etc.
Jan 13 21:45:11 <Dist> Never tried N800, but N810 is a bit hard to hold and the pouch is really bad
Jan 13 21:45:21 <Dist> Needs a metallic cover or something like that
Jan 13 21:46:03 <Blafasel> Hard to hold? Because of the shape?
Jan 13 21:46:34 <Dist> Yeah, and no place to attach any strap so feels like it's very easy to drop also
Jan 13 21:47:09 <lcuk> Dist - i am trying to find a big piece of sticky back rubber
Jan 13 21:47:13 <lcuk> its so easy to drop
Jan 13 21:47:32 <lcuk> ive improvised with tyre puncture repair patches
Jan 13 21:48:04 <lcuk> i lie on back in bed reading and hold it between first 2 knuckles - dont ask - and it slides out really easily
Jan 13 21:48:28 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 13 21:48:30 <GeneralAntilles> I love the stand
Jan 13 21:48:43 <GeneralAntilles> I can lie on my side in bed and just let it sit there on its stand.
Jan 13 21:49:00 <lcuk> i cant read sideways - i wear glasses
Jan 13 21:49:09 <GeneralAntilles> Rotate the text.
Jan 13 21:49:17 <GeneralAntilles> http://www.legacyoflies.com/devuploads/general_antilles/n800.html
Jan 13 21:49:20 <GeneralAntilles> a little ways down that page.
Jan 13 21:49:26 <lcuk> its not the shape of the screen - its glasses in side of head from pillow
Jan 13 21:49:39 <GeneralAntilles> Oh, right
Jan 13 21:49:45 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I get that a little, too.
Jan 13 21:49:53 <lcuk> they cost about as much as the 810 so i aint gonna bend them out of shape
Jan 13 21:50:00 <GeneralAntilles> Mostly near-sighted, though, so I don't need to wear them to read.
Jan 13 21:50:10 * GeneralAntilles needs new ones.
Jan 13 21:50:13 <lcuk> ive read on my back now since my first pda - its soothing and i know im dozing off
Jan 13 21:50:28 * lcuk puts it down when he nearly drops it
Jan 13 21:50:47 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 13 21:50:52 <GeneralAntilles> I can't sleep on my back.
Jan 13 21:51:32 <Blafasel> Can you give me some comments regarding the wifi/gps signal quality? The first was quite bad in most S60 Nokias I've seen, the latter was the reason for a discussion on this channel some days ago.
Jan 13 21:51:52 <lcuk> the other thing - fbreader does the page up/down thing really badly - i have it set rotated and i have a huge info area at the bottom (with clock etc in it) and clicking there moves pages instead of being locked as i set in my preference
Jan 13 21:52:01 <GeneralAntilles> Wifi reception in the whole lineup of NITs is the best I've ever seen.
Jan 13 21:52:20 <GeneralAntilles> File a bug, lcuk
Jan 13 21:52:25 <GeneralAntilles> fbreader.org
Jan 13 21:52:32 <lcuk> im a member there!
Jan 13 21:52:39 <lcuk> ive already filed one bug and yes i will
Jan 13 21:52:57 * lcuk bet ya expected me to moan about joining :P
Jan 13 21:53:13 <GeneralAntilles> I tell you what, I would not be the maemo proponent I am today without FBReader.
Jan 13 21:53:17 <GeneralAntilles> FANTASTIC goddamn application.
Jan 13 21:53:33 <GeneralAntilles> The NIT screens are PERFECT for reading.
Jan 13 21:53:37 <lcuk> tbh - im a bit upset about reading books on this
Jan 13 21:53:47 <GeneralAntilles> Why?
Jan 13 21:54:32 <shack008n> how betterr, or worse, is battery  life when networking over bluetooth rather than using the wifi transceiver?
Jan 13 21:54:55 <lcuk> well, each screen LOOKS fantastic, dont get me wrong.  its the refresh time that worries me.
Jan 13 21:55:04 <GeneralAntilles> shack008n, the wifi powersaving isn't as good.
Jan 13 21:55:09 <GeneralAntilles> But it's not a LOT worse
Jan 13 21:55:21 <GeneralAntilles> The phone always takes a dive first, anyway. ;)
Jan 13 21:55:35 <lcuk> i came from an old fujitsu Loox with isolo which was fast enough to do kinetic scrolling
Jan 13 21:55:37 <GeneralAntilles> er, *the bluetooth powersaving isn't very good compared to wifi.
Jan 13 21:55:50 <shack008n> GeneralAntilles: mm, i was using adhoc to my laptop, now bluetoth
Jan 13 21:55:54 <GeneralAntilles> Really? Refresh time doesn't bother me.
Jan 13 21:56:04 <GeneralAntilles> It's still faster than turning a page in a paperback. ;)
Jan 13 21:56:11 <lcuk> ive got it set on 810 now to display about the same amount of text and the old device side by side with new device kills it
Jan 13 21:56:15 <GeneralAntilles> PAN, shack008n?
Jan 13 21:56:18 <lcuk> this is with a 5 year old pda
Jan 13 21:56:22 <shack008n> let's see if i'm still here in three hours
Jan 13 21:56:28 <shack008n> GeneralAntilles: yes
Jan 13 21:56:42 <GeneralAntilles> I scroll page-by-page, so I don't notice refresh.
Jan 13 21:56:54 <Blafasel> Hmpf. My coworker got my N810 in NYC, but I've no idea if I can meet him tomorrow (he arrives, I leave for switzerland). Damn
Jan 13 21:56:59 <lcuk> it could just be the generic fbreader code which is doing it which i why ive not really done anything about it
Jan 13 21:57:17 <lcuk> but once i get upto speed with the device i will be doing what i can to get crisp screen refresh
Jan 13 21:57:53 <lcuk> gen - i do as well, and rotated 90degrees i see the text draw from the left to right (top to bottom in real view)
Jan 13 21:57:56 <GeneralAntilles> Need to get a courier to bring it from him to you, Blafasel. ;)
Jan 13 21:58:12 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, that's the problem with reading against-the-grain as it were.
Jan 13 21:58:13 * lcuk got nokia superquick expensive delivery (i couldnt wait)
Jan 13 21:58:32 <lcuk> reading a portrait page like every other book reader?
Jan 13 21:59:18 <lcuk> i think the code can be made faster - we know the device has limitations but i believe a double buffer algoyrthm might work
Jan 13 21:59:42 <Blafasel> GeneralAntilles: Hmm.. A lot of money for my lack of patience.. ;)
Jan 13 21:59:47 <lcuk> i mean fbreader waits about .25 seconds before paging next anyway - might as well have it render in that time
Jan 13 22:00:15 <GeneralAntilles> It's an issue with the LCD controller, I think, actually.
Jan 13 22:00:41 <lcuk> if i can shave anything off so its just a blit rather than rendering a whole page of text it might be worth it
Jan 13 22:01:08 <lcuk> i like the cleanliness of the font and wouldnt go back down in res now
Jan 13 22:01:16 <derf> Oh, good, the N810 is out of stock in the US store again, without the codes ever actually working.
Jan 13 22:01:44 <Blafasel> derf: Wasn't me. ;)
Jan 13 22:02:03 <GeneralAntilles> Using "Sans", lcuk?
Jan 13 22:02:27 <lcuk> dunno lol - i just looked through them all till i found one that made me comfortable ill check
Jan 13 22:03:00 <lcuk> yer...
Jan 13 22:03:04 <lcuk> size 20
Jan 13 22:03:07 <lcuk> bold
Jan 13 22:03:25 <GeneralAntilles> I'm 14
Jan 13 22:03:26 <GeneralAntilles> Bold?
Jan 13 22:03:27 <GeneralAntilles> Huh
Jan 13 22:03:29 <GeneralAntilles> Might try it
Jan 13 22:03:45 <lcuk> easy on my eyes and like i said its about the same amount of text as i got on my old device
Jan 13 22:03:54 <GeneralAntilles> I set up the d-pad to change text-size for when I'm feeling blind.
Jan 13 22:03:56 <lcuk> black paper white text...
Jan 13 22:04:05 <GeneralAntilles> Of course.
Jan 13 22:04:20 <GeneralAntilles> The other thing about your old device, it probably had, what, a third of the pixels to render? :P
Jan 13 22:04:34 <lcuk> i was on mornal white on the old device because black was this bright grey
Jan 13 22:04:53 <|tbb|> generalantilles, could you tell me what were possible with powervr enabled device,  is there a device out there with this enabled
Jan 13 22:04:59 <lcuk> yer i realise that (and it was less than 25%)
Jan 13 22:05:19 <GeneralAntilles> High-end N95-series phones
Jan 13 22:05:32 <GeneralAntilles> search "PowerVR" on youtube for some examples
Jan 13 22:05:40 <glass> n95 and e90
Jan 13 22:05:41 <GeneralAntilles> s/N95/N/
Jan 13 22:05:44 <glass> also n93i
Jan 13 22:06:01 <GeneralAntilles> It's pretty impressive
Jan 13 22:06:02 <lcuk> tbb - the powervr has an internal block of memory for its framebuffer which i believe cannot hold an 800*480 screen which we need which is why it was not used, but thats just off all the speculation i have read
Jan 13 22:06:06 <glass> of those e90 has highest res
Jan 13 22:06:21 <GeneralAntilles> A similarly outfitted Dell Axim did Q3 at 640x480 at about 20-25fps
Jan 13 22:06:23 <glass> e90 has 800x352 inside screen res iirc
Jan 13 22:06:28 <lcuk> ooooh
Jan 13 22:06:33 * lcuk hopes hes wrong
Jan 13 22:06:38 <|tbb|> damn, if n95 does why not n810 grrr
Jan 13 22:06:40 <lcuk> ^ me i mean not you glass
Jan 13 22:06:42 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, I agree with that estimation, lcuk.
Jan 13 22:06:55 <GeneralAntilles> If it's larger than the built-in LCD controller . . .
Jan 13 22:07:09 <GeneralAntilles> good news is that the OMAP3430 is going to be shit-hot. :D
Jan 13 22:07:17 <GeneralAntilles> |tbb|, screen resolution
Jan 13 22:07:17 <lcuk> ant - it might not be a bad thing if we can blast it with 400*240 and copy to the 8x0 LCD framebuffer
Jan 13 22:07:25 <GeneralAntilles> N95 uses the built-in LCD controller on the chip
Jan 13 22:07:36 <GeneralAntilles> we use a 3rd party controller because the built-in one is only VGA
Jan 13 22:07:51 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah, lcuk, pixel doubling would be fine with me.
Jan 13 22:07:56 <lcuk> for games at least
Jan 13 22:08:04 <|tbb|> okay, so no hope then
Jan 13 22:08:06 <GeneralAntilles> Send your proposal to Nokia management. :P
Jan 13 22:08:37 <lcuk> if we can get the vectors into it and build a frame out of it quickly the slowdown by copying back to the framebuffer should still be better than all software 3d rendering
Jan 13 22:08:54 <lcuk> i keep going back and looking
Jan 13 22:09:25 <lcuk> i know the framebuffer code in the older linux drivers wont work because thats for the older physical graphics cards
Jan 13 22:09:41 <lcuk> we need the blob from an actual 2420 implimentation and see what its doing
Jan 13 22:09:49 <lcuk> even if we just get a penguin its a start
Jan 13 22:10:15 <GeneralAntilles> Yeah
Jan 13 22:10:54 <lcuk> all graphics cards need a Set Mode, set scene, send data, refresh.    those are SIMPLE operations and if we can coax those out of some other implimentation we can work on the rest and get a proper framebuffer working
Jan 13 22:10:58 <GeneralAntilles> lardman is probably the guy to collaborate once he gets done with his badass DSP hacking.
Jan 13 22:11:27 <lcuk> yer ive read back in the logs and on ITT and his name has come up an awful lot
Jan 13 22:11:40 * lcuk is very interested in following this up
Jan 13 22:12:14 <lcuk> it frustrates me to have the hardware and noway to use it
Jan 13 22:14:14 <|tbb|> lcuk, thats what me frustrating to. i would feel better if i dont know about this
Jan 13 22:14:25 <lcuk> lol
Jan 13 22:14:34 <lcuk> we will get there soon
Jan 13 22:15:35 <|tbb|> from a scale 1-10 of hope, where you are
Jan 13 22:15:36 <lcuk> in a way i feel the same way that people with other devices do.  take the nintendo DS.  there is now linux running on there after some hacking and building a framebuffer etc on it
Jan 13 22:15:41 <lcuk> -20
Jan 13 22:16:01 <|tbb|> hehe
Jan 13 22:16:09 <lcuk> its all pie in the sky until we have some actual verifyable code running on a 2420
Jan 13 22:16:09 <Tak> what's the word, gentlemen?
Jan 13 22:16:15 <|tbb|> that give me hope
Jan 13 22:17:15 <lcuk> there is a 2420 development board from ti which membership costs about $4000   im wondering if the source you get with that gives full access to the entire thing
Jan 13 22:17:16 <giskard> hey guys there is something like internet table video convferter for linux?
Jan 13 22:17:22 <giskard> http://www.nokia.com/betalabs/videoconverter
Jan 13 22:17:36 <Jaffa> giskard: <plug> http://mediautils.garage.maemo.org/tablet-encode.html </plug>
Jan 13 22:17:47 <giskard> Jaffa, thank you
Jan 13 22:18:05 <lcuk> GeneralAntilles, theres no point in drooling over future hardware when you have a decent device in front of you today
Jan 13 22:19:49 <|tbb|> nokia should pay some of you for the membership
Jan 13 22:20:01 <lcuk> they are already members
Jan 13 22:20:09 <lcuk> they have the devices they have the code
Jan 13 22:20:17 <lcuk> but i think for the res of the 8x0 we cannot use it
Jan 13 22:20:57 <lcuk> but if we could render a scene in its internal memory (just at a lower more managable res) then copy to the 8x0 LCD framebuffer (which is outside the 2420 chip) we would be onto a winner
Jan 13 22:20:58 <GeneralAntilles> Bull
Jan 13 22:21:06 <GeneralAntilles> I have money and I want moar power! :P
Jan 13 22:21:11 <lcuk> lol
Jan 13 22:21:29 <lcuk> then buy your own now - have a whole dev board in your pocket :P
Jan 13 22:21:57 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 13 22:22:11 <lcuk> does anyone have proper technical details of the 8x0?
Jan 13 22:22:11 <GeneralAntilles> N900, N900 . . . mmm.
Jan 13 22:22:19 <GeneralAntilles> What sort of technical details
Jan 13 22:22:19 <Blafasel> Hmm.. I'm only an app dev, nothing as low level as that. I do hope that I can bring some stuff to the 810 anyway, though
Jan 13 22:22:20 <GeneralAntilles> ?
Jan 13 22:22:53 <lcuk> which framebuffer does it use etc how is it connected to the 2420 - can the 2420 output graphics data directly to the lcd framebuffer or is it out of sequence
Jan 13 22:23:35 <lcuk> Blafasel, same here but if needs must I will get my hands greasy and work on the engine
Jan 13 22:23:55 <wumpus> lcuk: it can't access the framebuffer directly
Jan 13 22:24:01 <wumpus> it goes through a serial interface
Jan 13 22:24:23 <wumpus> an ackwardly slow serial link even
Jan 13 22:24:29 <lcuk> my boss always says "if you cannot find a solution now do not fret, we will have a discussion later and something will pop up"
Jan 13 22:24:36 <lcuk> ouch @ serial
Jan 13 22:25:40 <lcuk> it cant be that slow because you can decode video and send it to it at 25+ fps
Jan 13 22:26:02 <wumpus> only with frame doubling
Jan 13 22:26:14 <lcuk> thats fine, for games i dont mind 400*240
Jan 13 22:26:16 <wumpus> the source file is in the linux kernel and should be called blizzard.c or so
Jan 13 22:26:32 <lcuk> ithanks ill take a look
Jan 13 22:26:39 <wumpus> yes, for a lot of things it's fast enough
Jan 13 22:26:44 <wumpus> just not as flashy as it could be :)
Jan 13 22:26:52 <lcuk> i was reading up a discussion where the mplayer guy was going over some optimisations here
Jan 13 22:28:32 <lcuk> the lcd controller itself doesn't have actual hardware doubling any more does it (i know the 770 did)
Jan 13 22:29:02 <wumpus> eh, it should
Jan 13 22:29:08 <Tak> hardware doubling still works
Jan 13 22:29:10 <Jaffa> ISTR it having arbitrary scaling, rather than just doubling
Jan 13 22:30:07 <wumpus> if it wouldn't have hardware scaling then it would be a lot slower
Jan 13 22:30:07 <lcuk> i am sure this was not doing its job so mplayer guy optimised the kernel driver to do doubling faster
Jan 13 22:30:50 <wumpus> well it's the transfer to the controller that's slow, the more data you send the slower
Jan 13 22:31:33 <lcuk> yer i know that and they send only 12 bit now because thats all it can handle
Jan 13 22:31:54 <wumpus> of course the video itself needs a lot of optimization too, most multimedia devices (like the arcos) actually have two arm + dsp
Jan 13 22:32:55 <wumpus> then again that might be besides the point of the device, it's a web tablet :)
Jan 13 22:33:31 <lcuk> ive found the thread ill just take a quick re-read back over it (its a long one...)
Jan 13 22:33:48 <lcuk> sorry this is link, google gives it as printable so cancel printer..
Jan 13 22:33:48 <lcuk> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view_printable;post=19711;list=maemo
Jan 13 23:01:01 <lcuk> im sure all this information is filling my brain with so much crap its pushing out the good stuff
Jan 13 23:01:25 <GeneralAntilles> Doesn't work like that. :P
Jan 13 23:02:08 <lcuk> but what will i do if i cannot remember the 68k assembler instructions for making fractals on my amiga?
Jan 13 23:02:16 <GeneralAntilles> Hehe
Jan 13 23:02:19 <GeneralAntilles> Fail . . .
Jan 13 23:02:19 <GeneralAntilles> miserably.
Jan 13 23:02:24 <lcuk> oh poo
Jan 13 23:02:41 <lcuk> it will all go in slowly and a solution will emerge :)
Jan 13 23:02:47 <|tbb|> for what the heck is metalyer-crawler it eats the cpu permanent over 90 percent about half an hour
Jan 13 23:02:57 <GeneralAntilles> It's the crawler for Media player
Jan 13 23:03:02 <GeneralAntilles> you have any looping symlinks?
Jan 13 23:03:06 <GeneralAntilles> Corrupt filesystems?
Jan 13 23:03:15 <lcuk> or just lots of pr0n ;)
Jan 13 23:04:01 * lcuk lets his mind wander a bit more
Jan 13 23:04:13 <lcuk> youtube/flash playback in general
Jan 13 23:04:21 <pupnik> oh btw, the xaos fractal browser almost works on the tablet
Jan 13 23:04:30 <lcuk> almost?
Jan 13 23:04:33 <pupnik> needs some alignment or endianness fixes
Jan 13 23:04:36 <|tbb|> hmh i got a symlink under user called main link to /
Jan 13 23:05:20 <GeneralAntilles> Might do it, |tbb|.
Jan 13 23:05:46 <lcuk> there was a thread about this symlink problem as well but im goin havin a bath in a minute so someone else can find it :P
Jan 13 23:05:56 <GeneralAntilles> bugs.maemo.org
Jan 13 23:06:18 <lcuk> before my bath tho there is one thing i'll throw out..
Jan 13 23:06:31 <|tbb|> so i should remove that link?
Jan 13 23:07:41 <lcuk> flash playback is driven by a plugin.  if we wrote a new plugin to handle flash and if it needs a movie auto save and forward to mplayer, and if its a normal flash let the default plugin handle it would this be possible?
Jan 13 23:08:02 <lcuk> i dunno tbb but i didnt do it cos i read it was causing problems
Jan 13 23:08:14 <GeneralAntilles> Sure, lcuk.
Jan 13 23:08:36 <lcuk> cos for flash in general i want/need the flashblock capabilities (click to play)
Jan 13 23:09:08 <lcuk> i helped sort out flashblock on firefox back when flash 8 came out cos it was broken
Jan 13 23:09:28 <lcuk> but this needs more - i know the actual flash plugin is a compiled module and i havent even started native compilation yet
Jan 13 23:10:46 <lcuk> having flash on tap-to-play would be beneficial as the cpu wouldn't be tied up playing whilst scrolling for most things
Jan 13 23:11:25 * lcuk thinks he needs to take a chill pill really but theres just so much work to do to make this tablet really really really nice
Jan 13 23:11:44 <GeneralAntilles> Then get to work, you lazy bum! :P
Jan 13 23:12:07 <lcuk> lol i havent stopped since i got it - much to the chargrin of the missus
Jan 13 23:12:21 <lcuk> tho she keeps nicking it to play games on it so it works to some level
Jan 13 23:12:22 <|tbb|> problem solved :(
Jan 13 23:13:07 <pupnik> Like a cat hogging your keyboard?
Jan 13 23:13:47 <GeneralAntilles> Damn keyboard-cats.
Jan 13 23:14:03 <lcuk> lol dont let outs up here :P
Jan 13 23:14:50 <lcuk> ours ^
Jan 13 23:14:59 <lcuk> anyway speak of the devil im offski
Jan 14 00:35:44 * czr is slightly tired and read that as "speak as the devil lokki"
Jan 14 00:41:42 <HardandFast> #join n800
Jan 14 00:43:10 <alterego> czr, did you ever witness a full maemo rootstrap build?
Jan 14 00:43:21 <alterego> Sorry, rootfs build ..
Jan 14 00:43:43 <alterego> I'm thinking of making maemo development images for my N800
Jan 14 00:43:55 <czr> alterego, nope
Jan 14 00:44:12 <alterego> So, no hints or pointers?
Jan 14 00:44:44 <alterego> I'm thinking of maybe building on top of an official root image.
Jan 14 00:44:59 <alterego> Updating packages one by one and fixing breaks. ^_^
Jan 14 00:45:55 <alterego> Heh, my N810 is called "proteus" ..
Jan 14 00:46:29 <proteous> my name is much more phonetic :)
Jan 14 00:46:39 <petergunn> mine is called Joshua
Jan 14 00:46:46 <proteous> well, depending on how you say it I guess
Jan 14 00:47:08 <alterego> Well, I named it after one of Neptune's moons ..
Jan 14 00:47:16 <alterego> Which is spelt "Proteus" :P
Jan 14 00:48:01 <proteous> I just wanted a nick that wasn't always taken :P
Jan 14 00:48:14 <alterego> You should register a nick.
Jan 14 00:48:24 <alterego> If someone steals my nick, I can reclaim it.
Jan 14 00:48:35 <alterego> Which happens quite frequently ^_^
Jan 14 00:48:38 <proteous> :P
Jan 14 00:48:49 <proteous> I don't have that problem due to my "creative" spelling skilz
Jan 14 00:49:06 <alterego> Which means you can't do things like private message :P
Jan 14 00:49:21 <alterego> Or talk in certain channels ..
Jan 14 00:50:21 <proteous> I belive I do have this nick registered
Jan 14 00:50:35 <proteous> I just dont' have it set up to auto identify when I connect to the server
Jan 14 00:50:45 <proteous> wonder what I set the password to
Jan 14 00:50:46 <proteous> heh
Jan 14 00:53:01 <proteous> there, happy now :)
Jan 14 00:55:41 <alterego> :P
Jan 14 01:08:39 <proteous> heh
Jan 14 01:24:55 <alterego> Awesome, SDK is setup like a charm.
Jan 14 01:25:21 <alterego> Tomorrow I can get back into ruby-maemo development :)
Jan 14 01:27:44 <czr> alterego, whee. and then finally I'll get my TODO-application? ;-)
Jan 14 01:27:58 <alterego> :)
Jan 14 01:28:12 <alterego> I gave up after hearing about pimoloci
Jan 14 01:28:15 <alterego> Or whatever it's called.
Jan 14 01:28:22 <czr> it sounds evil at least
Jan 14 01:28:23 <czr> what is it?
Jan 14 01:28:34 <czr> "your children will all be eaten by pimoloci"
Jan 14 01:28:36 <alterego> It's a PIM suite for Linux based "PDA's" ;)
Jan 14 01:28:40 <alterego> Heh
Jan 14 01:28:42 <czr> err. right :-)
Jan 14 01:28:43 <Robot101> pimlico
Jan 14 01:28:48 <czr> I think it's devil's spawn
Jan 14 01:28:52 <alterego> That's the chesnut
Jan 14 01:28:53 <czr> PIM or no PIM!
Jan 14 01:29:02 <alterego> What's wrong with "Notes" ? :P
Jan 14 01:29:04 <czr> Robot101, you used it?
Jan 14 01:29:28 <Robot101> no, but it's a place in london... a simple pun.
Jan 14 01:29:53 <czr> ah. that explains it. sounded somewhat familiar. could I've seen it on a map / underground thingy?
Jan 14 01:30:28 <czr> nm though :-)
Jan 14 01:36:52 <alterego> I can also compile the driver for a USB wireless dongle I have.
Jan 14 01:37:21 <alterego> czr, played with sbox2 yet?
Jan 14 01:37:31 <czr> alterego, haven't touched maemo/sbox yet ;-)
Jan 14 01:37:40 <czr> enjoying my post-vacation flu way too much
Jan 14 01:37:41 <Sho_> Hm, am I having it right that the file manager in IT2008 does Samba, but no auth?
Jan 14 01:37:46 <alterego> Heh
Jan 14 01:37:54 <czr> alterego, have been working on a brainless project
Jan 14 01:38:01 <czr> alterego, tools for do batch mp3 retagging
Jan 14 01:38:25 <alterego> Nice.
Jan 14 01:38:35 <alterego> Well, BORING! :P
Jan 14 01:38:43 <czr> alterego, true. but brainless enough :-)
Jan 14 01:38:52 <czr> can't be bothered doing anything interesting while having headaches
Jan 14 01:39:04 <alterego> Yeah, it's good to do those kinds of projects just to get by ;)
Jan 14 01:39:16 <czr> besides, I didn't code for the whole vacation..
Jan 14 01:39:34 <czr> I need something gradual to get me back into the mood. and I dropped drinking coffee too. which has been really interesting.
Jan 14 01:39:42 <alterego> It's like, currently I'm writing some scripts to manage my kvm hardware virtualized environments.
Jan 14 01:39:56 <czr> indeed :-)
Jan 14 01:39:57 <Delio> Sho_: yes
Jan 14 01:40:04 <Delio> :(
Jan 14 01:40:16 <Sho_> Delio: Sigh. Time to dig up cifs.ko again, then :-)
Jan 14 01:40:29 <alterego> scripts are good though, they like a self documenting library of how-tos :)
Jan 14 01:40:36 <alterego> And functional too ^_^
Jan 14 01:41:16 <alterego> I've really got back into shell scripting for some reason.
Jan 14 01:41:16 <czr> alterego, until you don't use them for 6 months and then return to them, just to realize that you've not written a README or STARTHERE nor documented anything, and you have 10 scripts all named like "test1" and "test2" and they contain a lot of the same code..
Jan 14 01:41:29 <alterego> Hah
Jan 14 01:41:33 <alterego> Can't say I suffer that :P
Jan 14 01:41:48 <czr> I do that sometimes. But I work on way too many projects anyway
Jan 14 01:41:51 <alterego> I'm very anal. My filesystems are clinically clean ..
Jan 14 01:42:01 <czr> I'm getting there.
Jan 14 01:42:05 <alterego> I have very specific ways of doing things.
Jan 14 01:42:12 <czr> yeah. Anal ways.
Jan 14 01:42:12 <Sho_> alterego: I really like fish's scripting language (http://www.fishshell.org/), and the amenities it offers for writing it ad-hoc (multi-line input mode, syntax coloring, etc.) - it's a brilliant shell
Jan 14 01:42:52 <alterego> Sho_, sounds like the devils language :P
Jan 14 01:43:03 <alterego> Or something to do with pirates maybe.
Jan 14 01:43:16 <penguinbait> argh! matey!
Jan 14 01:43:35 <czr> yarr.
Jan 14 01:43:45 <czr> begin PLANK;
Jan 14 01:43:47 <GeneralAntilles> To the plank with this lubber!
Jan 14 01:43:58 <Sho_> Well, it's scripting syntax and abilities are nicer than bash's anyway :-)
Jan 14 01:44:31 <Sho_> The Ars Technica and LWN articles linked from the homepage give good primers
Jan 14 01:44:57 <czr> Sho_, how large things have you used it for?
Jan 14 01:45:33 <czr> the thing with non-std shells is that .. well.. any linux has bash/relative installed
Jan 14 01:45:54 <Sho_> czr: Nothing in excess of 1k lines. Mostly utility scripts used during software development (e.g. packaging, translation validation and similar) and system administration.
Jan 14 01:46:09 <czr> 1k sounds decent enough though
Jan 14 01:46:29 <proteous> quiting coffee is a good way to get a nasty headache for a day or two
Jan 14 01:46:40 <czr> proteous, that's just the start
Jan 14 01:46:52 <czr> I've been drinking coffee for ages. too much of it too. now I'm just perpertually tired.
Jan 14 01:46:57 <proteous> heh
Jan 14 01:47:10 <czr> although it's getting better, but really slowly
Jan 14 01:47:23 <alterego> czr, drinking lots of water and eating fresh fruits?
Jan 14 01:47:34 <czr> alterego, nghgh. drinking tea ;-)
Jan 14 01:47:37 <Vulcanis> [20:46:32] <proteous> quiting coffee is a good way to get a nasty headache for a day or two -- drink lots of water.
Jan 14 01:47:43 <czr> but hey, it's green tea. it can't all be that bad, right :-)
Jan 14 01:47:52 <Vulcanis> Green tea has no caffine, though, IIRC
Jan 14 01:48:10 <czr> well, I don't drink it so much. more hassle to make tea than coffee, hence I drink less of it.
Jan 14 01:49:21 <czr> Sho_, screenshots look very enticing..
Jan 14 01:49:48 <czr> " All colors can be configured to suit your (lack of) taste."
Jan 14 01:49:49 <czr> hah
Jan 14 01:50:00 <czr> finally, a shell to cater my lack of taste!
Jan 14 01:50:01 <Sho_> heh
Jan 14 01:54:30 <penguinbait> you ever try to help people who just cant seem to be helped?
Jan 14 01:54:51 <czr> the joys of IRC
Jan 14 01:56:34 <penguinbait> and forums
Jan 14 01:58:27 <GeneralAntilles> Oh god.
Jan 14 01:58:31 * GeneralAntilles goes all PTSD
Jan 14 01:58:42 <czr> hah. forums.. the worst thing that has happened since AOL
Jan 14 01:59:42 <Delio> yes, forums fail xD
Jan 14 02:00:10 <czr> I wish google would provide a mechanism to search everything BUT forums
Jan 14 02:00:19 <GeneralAntilles> Ha
Jan 14 02:00:28 <GeneralAntilles> I've gotten a lot of good info out of forums over the years. :P
Jan 14 02:00:29 <czr> I'm not even joking..
Jan 14 02:00:48 <czr> well, maybe they could provide "search ONLY forums" function for you then ;-)
Jan 14 02:01:04 <Delio> GeneralAntilles: information regarding the level of cluelessness and general ineptitude of ppl?
Jan 14 02:01:18 <GeneralAntilles> Well, that, too.
Jan 14 02:02:08 <GeneralAntilles> Really, there are stupid people everywhere
Jan 14 02:02:15 <GeneralAntilles> the medium hardly dictates the amount of stupidity
Jan 14 02:02:36 * czr makes everybody feel much better by putting on his "stupid people do it in forums" T-shirt
Jan 14 02:02:58 <czr> although, I'd have to take off my "C coders do it with dangling pointers" T-shirt first.
Jan 14 02:03:33 <Delio> different media offer different 'resistance' to publishing
Jan 14 02:03:58 <GeneralAntilles> There's plenty of mental retardation on nytimes.com
Jan 14 02:04:05 <czr> have you noticed that any mechanism that lowers the bar of entry to some media for the masses is considered as "advancement"
Jan 14 02:04:18 * czr disagrees
Jan 14 02:04:32 <czr> with the advancement part at least.
Jan 14 02:04:38 <proteous> getting rid of 95% of forum results is as easy as -inurl:(forum|forums) searchkeywords
Jan 14 02:04:50 <czr> I want a checkbox!
Jan 14 02:04:53 <proteous> heh
Jan 14 02:05:10 <czr> I really should try to learn to use google some of these days
Jan 14 02:05:12 <Delio> czr: you want to lower the bar!
Jan 14 02:05:16 <czr> so far - and quotes has been enough
Jan 14 02:05:28 <czr> Delio, of course. I'm allowed to contradict myself!
Jan 14 02:05:30 <proteous> everyone knows that when webtv came out the internet got 110% better
Jan 14 02:05:51 * czr nods
Jan 14 02:06:07 <proteous> everone was also amazed at how wonderfull newsgroups got when AOLers were finaly let out on the real internet
Jan 14 02:06:17 <czr> much more colorful
Jan 14 02:06:35 <czr> it's like when people started using HTML for email, with all the nice colorful backgrounds and different Comic fonts..
Jan 14 02:06:56 <czr> I actually saw AOL for the first time in my life during my vacation
Jan 14 02:06:57 <proteous> HTML email makes mutt cry
Jan 14 02:07:11 <czr> had to downgrade my moms AOL to older version since the newer version just kept on crashing completely..
Jan 14 02:07:18 <proteous> ...
Jan 14 02:07:29 <czr> and the old version now pops up "Do you want to upgrade"-dialogs each time it's started
Jan 14 02:07:36 <czr> with no possibility of "Don't ask this again"
Jan 14 02:07:47 <czr> it's evil.
Jan 14 02:08:13 <proteous> -2:redundant
Jan 14 02:08:17 <proteous> it's AOL
Jan 14 02:08:28 <czr> but I never imagined it to be so bad.
Jan 14 02:08:31 <proteous> heh
Jan 14 02:08:41 <proteous> it's amazing what some people will put up with
Jan 14 02:08:41 <czr> and I was amazed at the level of isolation it does for users
Jan 14 02:08:53 <czr> they can't tell apart Internet from AOL. for them, AOL = Internet.
Jan 14 02:08:59 <proteous> yeah, heh
Jan 14 02:09:35 * czr wishes that it would become illegal to use graphical systems
Jan 14 02:09:47 <czr> yes, including framebuffers damn it!
Jan 14 02:10:09 <GeneralAntilles> Now you just sound old and bitter.
Jan 14 02:10:16 <proteous> what about ascii art
Jan 14 02:10:18 <czr> well..
Jan 14 02:10:26 <czr> ascii art is ok, as long as it fits into 80x25
Jan 14 02:10:34 <czr> and uses only NVT cahrs
Jan 14 02:10:35 <czr> chars even
Jan 14 02:10:50 <czr> GeneralAntilles, I am old and bitter.. :-)
Jan 14 02:11:04 <proteous> you'll need to require fixed width fonts only too
Jan 14 02:11:07 <lcuk> hi def ascii art works a treat :D (and not this interlaced nonesense, full progressive frames)
Jan 14 02:11:22 <czr> libcaca? :-)
Jan 14 02:11:40 <proteous> my old ATI vid card had an ascii art mode, would reneder the whole screen like that, was interesting for quake3
Jan 14 02:11:46 <czr> yeah, I still remember running mpeg decoders with SDLs libwhatwasit output. watching SW trailers was never so much fun..
Jan 14 02:12:33 <proteous> unplayable, but interesting, ascii video at 1600x1200 still doesn't give enough detail
Jan 14 02:12:49 <lcuk> czr, would you know what to do with a modern graphics card ?
Jan 14 02:13:07 <czr> err. it was a library, not a feature of the graphics card. at least the one that I used
Jan 14 02:13:12 <czr> SDL output driver.
Jan 14 02:13:31 <proteous> the one I've used was a feature of the graphics card
Jan 14 02:13:42 <czr> never heard of that /me shrugs
Jan 14 02:13:51 <czr> can you recall which ati chip?
Jan 14 02:14:21 <proteous> it was a radeon8500 I think
Jan 14 02:14:36 <proteous> hmm, I have it in my arcade computer still
Jan 14 02:14:37 <lcuk> hardware accellerated opengl acii art :D
Jan 14 02:14:40 <czr> well. I know radeons (esp the older ones) like my back pockets.
Jan 14 02:14:40 <proteous> yeah
Jan 14 02:14:50 <lcuk> ascii^
Jan 14 02:14:51 <czr> I'm pretty sure it's not a feature of any of the RV chips
Jan 14 02:15:03 <proteous> darn disbelivers
Jan 14 02:15:03 <czr> (I used to write drivers for radeons)
Jan 14 02:15:12 <czr> maybe you used the SDL thingy as well
Jan 14 02:15:15 <czr> as q3 used SDL
Jan 14 02:15:28 <proteous> let examin the interwebs and surf you up a netpage for it
Jan 14 02:15:32 * czr nods
Jan 14 02:15:41 <czr> use the forums luke, use the forums..
Jan 14 02:17:05 <proteous> it was a smartshader affect you could turn on, looked like this in UrbanTerror, a quake3 mod: http://fandanta.org/mike/sshot/shot0001.jpg
Jan 14 02:17:21 <czr> ahh
Jan 14 02:17:36 <czr> makes sense now
Jan 14 02:17:53 <czr> I didn't take into account shaders
Jan 14 02:17:59 <proteous> :P
Jan 14 02:18:20 * czr stands corrected
Jan 14 02:18:31 <czr> the same effect could be done with OpenGL shaders though
Jan 14 02:18:43 <czr> but I'm not sure how to get them into q3 though
Jan 14 02:18:51 <czr> and opengl shaders require new hw anyway
Jan 14 02:18:56 <czr> (ogl 2)
Jan 14 02:30:19 <shack008n> wow, 5 hours of bluetooth pan connection and i still have half the battery
Jan 14 02:33:43 <Delio> on n8x0?
Jan 14 02:38:33 <shack008n> n800
Jan 14 02:38:56 <Delio> I haven't set up PAN yet
Jan 14 02:39:12 <Delio> wanted to try though
Jan 14 02:39:35 <lcuk2> hi again ppl
Jan 14 02:40:50 <lcuk2> small gps question.   can i save gps journey log with builtin 810/map combo and if not what do i need? google foo aint coming up wih anything
Jan 14 02:42:52 <oil_> good morning
Jan 14 02:47:34 <GeneralAntilles> I very much doubt it, lcuk2.
Jan 14 02:47:38 <GeneralAntilles> That's a maemo mapper thing.
Jan 14 02:49:00 <lcuk2> can i just write out the output when the icon is active
Jan 14 02:49:11 <lcuk2> ie a little shell script
Jan 14 02:50:02 <lcuk2> (i think i can actually but the devil is in the details, reading up on openstreetmap site at the mo
Jan 14 02:51:08 <GeneralAntilles> I'd look at the maemo mapper code if you want to do that.
Jan 14 02:51:27 <GeneralAntilles> You could probably set something up to poll gspd pretty easily.
Jan 14 02:52:11 <GeneralAntilles> Have it stick those coordinates into a kml.
Jan 14 02:55:50 <lcuk2> sounds reasonable :) there is apython binding
Jan 14 02:56:13 <lcuk2>  thanks :)
Jan 14 02:56:24 * lcuk2 vanishes again
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