**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Jan 14 02:59:56 2008 Jan 14 03:10:33 Ahhh... Back :) Jan 14 03:14:06 rm_you, you get the GTK menu issue figured out and I'll shill for you like no shill has ever shilled before. ;) Jan 14 03:14:31 lol Jan 14 03:14:50 Was hoping for a response from the maemo developers mailing list, but even that seems to be a dead end :( Jan 14 03:15:05 rm_you, yeah, better wait until monday evening (in finland) Jan 14 03:15:14 maybe someone might have motivation in the morning (in nokia) Jan 14 03:15:25 I may have to put on my ninja suit, fly to Nokia's headquarters, break in, and steal the source code for their BRIGHTNESS APP. Jan 14 03:15:28 if not, well then.. maybe it's time for small example program and place a bug Jan 14 03:15:39 rm_you, I doubt they keep the code at the hq ;-) Jan 14 03:15:41 lol Jan 14 03:15:46 but given enough money, I will give you additional hints Jan 14 03:15:51 hehe Jan 14 03:16:28 I'm just going to guess it's really simple, and it just isn't documented >_> Jan 14 03:16:29 Haha Jan 14 03:16:43 Start compiling random characters until you get it. Jan 14 03:19:10 czr: you work at/with nokia? :P Jan 14 03:20:34 not really Jan 14 03:20:41 lol Jan 14 03:20:45 damn Jan 14 03:20:49 Haha Jan 14 03:20:54 Corporate espionage! Jan 14 03:21:05 I need to bribe someone who works there to steal the brightness app sourcecode for me Jan 14 03:21:12 rm_you, I wrote most of the training material for them though. (the public one) Jan 14 03:21:19 heh Jan 14 03:21:24 probably not worth the money :-) Jan 14 03:21:29 i know >_> Jan 14 03:21:38 I want to think that the things that went on to keep a lot of this stuff closed were really interested. But somehow I think I'd be disappointed. Jan 14 03:21:40 it's not like i want the source to like... Map... or something :/ Jan 14 03:21:54 "Map" Jan 14 03:21:56 Who the hell named that? Jan 14 03:21:58 I just want the fricking brightness app. it's gotta be what... like 20 lines of code? >_< Jan 14 03:22:05 rm_you, if you hang around the channel during working hours of CET+1, you might get better answers Jan 14 03:22:11 possibly Jan 14 03:22:19 do a lot of nokia people actually come in IRC? Jan 14 03:22:20 GeneralAntilles, same person who named "Browser" and the other tools ;-) Jan 14 03:22:26 rm_you, not a lot, but some Jan 14 03:22:28 i can only think of one Jan 14 03:22:31 Browser makes sense Jan 14 03:22:41 "Map" implies that you're opening one giant map. Jan 14 03:22:53 Which conjures up a weird image for me. Jan 14 03:22:56 * czr shrugs Jan 14 03:23:01 to me the name is as logical as browser Jan 14 03:23:21 Navigation would have been better though, imho Jan 14 03:23:39 I hope there's a bug. Jan 14 03:23:46 but I guess they have to pay the translators by the translated character Jan 14 03:23:54 Navigation would have been better if they had seen fit to bundle the navigation service. Jan 14 03:24:05 * czr shrugs Jan 14 03:24:11 I've yet to use the application succesfully Jan 14 03:24:15 Haha Jan 14 03:24:18 haven't had proper GPS receiving so far.. Jan 14 03:24:19 I downloaded maps Jan 14 03:24:20 gave up Jan 14 03:24:32 maemo mapper does what I need it to do Jan 14 03:24:34 and the whole app seems very crufty Jan 14 03:24:42 and I have an old Garmin C320 if I need real navigation. Jan 14 03:34:06 would really like to see a little small video howto on how to freaking port a C app, and hildon it. the tutorial seems easy. Jan 14 03:34:26 unique311, nothing stops you from making one Jan 14 03:34:38 Hehe Jan 14 03:34:46 i would not be asking if i could hildon a C app Jan 14 03:34:49 you might want to take a look at the porting howto though Jan 14 03:35:01 wow Jan 14 03:35:44 you read "the tutorial seems easy" part Jan 14 03:36:07 tutorial != porting howto Jan 14 03:36:19 i followed the python tutorial and figured that one out for a python app. Jan 14 03:37:52 http://umeguide.net/C/porting-C-apps.html http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html followed those 2 Jan 14 03:39:26 ah I see. I thought you meant "maemo tutorial" by "tutorial" :-) Jan 14 03:39:39 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UMEGuide/ApplicationDevelopment/GladeWithPythonForUMEHildon this helped me out for a python app. xgngeo Jan 14 03:39:50 most of the difficult part in porting comes with dealing lib dependencies, modifying the GUI to suit the device better. the API changes are rather trivial Jan 14 03:40:04 but porting per se is not so, at least I wouldn't say so, unless you're porting hello world. Jan 14 03:40:04 followed the maemo porting guide. Jan 14 03:41:21 the monkey bubble guide seems really easy to follow. Jan 14 03:41:24 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_4-0_porting_guide.html Jan 14 03:45:41 czr, when i do figure out how to hildon an app (C) , i willl have a video up. Jan 14 03:45:56 * czr nods Jan 14 03:46:28 I'd guess most people don't really learn by watching videos, so there hasn't been much requests for one Jan 14 03:48:32 hey guys, I need some help patching some wireless drivers on my notebook, I know it has absolutely nothing to do with maemo, but I have an n800 and everyone here was really helpful and knowledgeable when I had problems, and they are both are linux problems.... so maybe someone can help me out? Jan 14 03:51:28 bobbywas: Try ##linux Jan 14 03:53:40 czr, for developer i would see how valid that would be (don't really learn by watching vids) Jan 14 03:55:18 now for an artist just trying to hildon 1 app, a video would make a world of a difference in learning in learning this whole hildon thing. Jan 14 03:55:31 ever heard of Lynda? Jan 14 04:00:29 unique311, nope Jan 14 04:05:44 anyone find any good car mounts for the n770? Jan 14 05:21:33 is there a decent word processor available? I'd rather avoid google docs if possible Jan 14 05:22:17 not that I know of Jan 14 05:25:46 what's wrong w/ google docs? Jan 14 05:25:55 you could get abiword for some versions of mameo Jan 14 05:25:58 maemo Jan 14 05:28:44 only problem w/google docs is having to be online...I'll be using my cell connection which is little better than dialup Jan 14 05:29:05 i have an n810 using the latest os2008 release...has abiword been ported? Jan 14 05:29:45 see gronmayer in topic? Jan 14 05:30:02 eventually google docs will probably work offline, dunno if it does yet Jan 14 05:30:13 i suppose that depends on when someone officially published gears for maemo Jan 14 05:30:17 \microb Jan 14 05:39:07 * Lahiru waiting for PenguinBait Jan 14 05:41:05 may i know who is working with qemu for Maemo? Jan 14 05:42:13 mbuf, check the changelog for the qemu source for maemo? Jan 14 05:42:22 it has the quilty parties' emails afair Jan 14 05:42:24 at least names Jan 14 05:42:37 czr, and from where and how do i get the qemu source for Maemo? Jan 14 05:42:51 timely, you track qemu in your mxr? Jan 14 05:43:00 mbuf, try looking in mxr (see topic) Jan 14 05:44:42 czr, thanks Jan 14 06:00:10 pe Jan 14 06:00:34 * Lahiru *sorry Jan 14 06:15:01 Can we install C++ (gcc) on N800.. OS2008? Jan 14 06:16:21 I think so but I am not sure, but I am a n00b Jan 14 06:17:25 I'm disappointed...I was hoping dosbox would run better than it does :/ Jan 14 06:19:08 Runs pretty well considering. Jan 14 06:21:27 true...it's the keyboard support that is most lacking...the arrow keys don't work on either my stowaway keyboard or the built-in n810's Jan 14 06:23:32 Lahiru: don't see why not. Jan 14 06:23:45 but on another level, don't see why :-P Jan 14 06:27:15 The BT keys should work fine. Jan 14 06:27:27 the arrows keys aren't :/ Jan 14 06:27:40 It's basically a one-man port, so if you have skills to contribute, I'm sure he'd appreciate the help. Jan 14 06:29:02 vegai, :) I'm gonna try compile firefox for KDE on N800 Jan 14 06:29:13 vegai, looking for penguinBait :) Jan 14 06:30:32 okay, good luck Jan 14 06:32:07 do anyone know how penguinbait ported kde? Jan 14 06:32:42 I'm a kde/qt developer... but dnt know how to do those stuff on N800 :) Jan 14 06:32:49 any guidance please Jan 14 06:45:42 Lahiru: 1) install scratchbox, 2) compile a gtk program in scratchbox 3) read the porting howto to learn how to modify gtk apps to use hildon Jan 14 06:51:01 Thanks pupnik_, installed scratchbox.. :) Jan 14 07:25:48 o/ Jan 14 07:26:04 czr, not able to find any qemu source packages in chinook from timeless.justdave.net; any other pointers? Jan 14 07:28:13 hmm. not right now mbuf, try searching the mailing list archives? Jan 14 07:28:22 czr, ok, will do Jan 14 07:37:55 hi, is there who can help me with PyGTKEditor installation? Jan 14 07:38:21 I'm getting an error message "Application packages missing" Jan 14 07:38:28 Python 2.5 gtk Jan 14 07:38:45 Python 2.5 gtk2 Jan 14 07:38:55 python2.5-gtk2 Jan 14 07:42:25 Epeloon, under application manager click on "tools -> catalogs" or something like that Jan 14 07:42:32 find the "extras" repository and enable it Jan 14 07:42:42 it is disabled by default and it will have the packages you need Jan 14 08:08:21 wasup with qqil , is he gone? Jan 14 08:10:33 * keesj is tryint to spread FUD :P Jan 14 08:12:24 is anyone finding regular google maps usable on the N800? Jan 14 08:13:30 ds3: with maemo-mapper yes Jan 14 08:13:47 ah, that's the trick... cuz with microb it is annoying Jan 14 08:15:49 I must say that I find the recent maemo-mapper slow Jan 14 08:16:18 is maemo-mapper setup for googlemaps if I just install it or do I need to config it ? Jan 14 08:16:29 2.3 or < 2.3, keesj? Jan 14 08:16:51 ds3: yesterday I also read about a google maps palm app that worked on the internet tablets (I don't rember the details) Jan 14 08:17:09 ds3, the first time you run it, it will ask if you want to enable additional map source or somesuch Jan 14 08:17:12 ds3: you can press a button (download) this will download a list or repositories Jan 14 08:17:13 say yes and google maps is enabled Jan 14 08:17:34 ds3, see my posts on page one here: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=36786 Jan 14 08:17:35 err...do what keesj said Jan 14 08:17:46 of. Jan 14 08:17:58 keesj: yeah, the google maps for palm on the GVM works great Jan 14 08:18:12 keesj, have you tried mm 2.3? Jan 14 08:19:24 nice post Jan 14 08:19:24 GeneralAntilles: if it it older then 2 weeks yes :p Jan 14 08:19:30 No. Jan 14 08:19:31 Yesterday Jan 14 08:19:40 It's got some new RAM caching Jan 14 08:19:49 brings the speed up close to 1.x levels. Jan 14 08:19:53 does maemo mapper integrate with the OS2008 GPS stuff? Jan 14 08:20:03 How do you mean, ds3? Jan 14 08:20:12 With the "Map" application and its associated maps? Jan 14 08:20:33 no, the GPS icon on top to show the status of GPS lock for example Jan 14 08:20:40 Either way, I don't mind the speed hit for the 50% filesize savings. Jan 14 08:20:43 Yes, ds3. Jan 14 08:20:48 N800 or N810 Jan 14 08:20:51 very nice Jan 14 08:20:52 speed really is the number one prio to make an appp usable Jan 14 08:21:20 Ha Jan 14 08:21:25 Storage space isn't unlimited. Jan 14 08:21:27 last question - does maemo mapper let me use a scanned JPG/GIF I provide? Jan 14 08:21:32 50% savings is incredibly large Jan 14 08:21:48 plus, you get rotation and panning with database storage Jan 14 08:22:00 Yes, ds3. Jan 14 08:22:07 Though I'm not familiar with the method. Jan 14 08:23:22 I can find out latter... got some USGS Topo maps on a CD in GIF format for use with the some windows software Jan 14 08:23:38 since USGS maps are PD, I want to be able to reuse them Jan 14 08:25:15 Got a buddy working on opening up the Florida USGS coastal aerial topo/lidar/fullspectrum/crazy-dar maps for public use. Jan 14 08:26:03 petabytes and petabytes worth of stuff. Jan 14 08:34:34 indeed , 2.3 looks responsive! Jan 14 08:34:38 feels Jan 14 08:39:21 nice, it is quite usable Jan 14 08:56:52 mmm ..... "crazy-dar" :P Jan 14 08:56:57 i want me some of that Jan 14 08:57:00 and... sleep Jan 14 09:26:47 Morning, all Jan 14 09:27:07 hi Jan 14 09:27:07 10:39 < ds3> nice, it is quite usable Jan 14 09:27:07 10:40 -!- simon_ [n=simon@dyn167240.wlan.jku.at] has joined #maemo [10:40] [keesj(+ei)] [3:#maemo(+cn)] [Act: 2,6] Jan 14 09:27:18 oops Jan 14 09:29:07 Hi ! Jan 14 09:29:48 Hi Khertan Jan 14 09:33:28 good morning Jan 14 09:53:06 good evening. do you know if it's possible to use Nokia S60 terminals as WLAN hotspot? if not, what would be required to use maemo as one? Jan 14 09:53:46 if the maemo would connect to 3G phone with bluetooth and act as wlan accesspoint for other wlan devices Jan 14 09:54:06 i believe you can't use the s60 handsets as an accesspoint Jan 14 09:54:19 but the maemo devices are different Jan 14 09:54:51 you could definitely connect to the phone with bluetooth, and possibly depending on the wlan driver use it as an access point Jan 14 09:55:31 I do not believe the drivers/chipset on the N8x0 stuff supports "Master" mode to act as an access point Jan 14 09:55:37 ad-hoc should be doable Jan 14 09:56:02 you'd need to have a device supported by the Linux hostap driver for real accesspoint behavior Jan 14 09:58:33 hmm. need to ask from professor google a bit more Jan 14 09:59:39 if your question is "can I somehow use my N800's wifi to get my laptop online somehow?" the answer is "probably yes" Jan 14 10:00:25 johnx: that one and also couple of other devices using wlan and/or bluetooth Jan 14 10:01:39 the answer is "probably" Jan 14 10:02:06 it's very likely you can use it to your satisfaction once in a while but it probably isn't a great long term solution Jan 14 10:02:55 ap's with 3g modems built in aren't _that_ expensive if you need a stationary long term solution Jan 14 10:03:22 The maemo device is going to be a big bottleneck, anyway. Jan 14 10:03:38 ~50KB/sec with DUN and around ~150KB/sec with PAN. Jan 14 10:03:47 I'm more thinking of the portable and possible mobile solution. Jan 14 10:04:13 Just buy a wifi phone. :P Jan 14 10:04:22 GeneralAntilles: what good would that do? Jan 14 10:04:39 not many wifi phones can share the net over their wifi Jan 14 10:04:44 There are phones that act as network APs. Jan 14 10:04:45 some wm's can Jan 14 10:04:48 I believe, anyway. Jan 14 10:04:53 very few can tho Jan 14 10:05:01 oil_, that's a scenario I've been thinking about as well Jan 14 10:05:33 GeneralAntilles: well, if I could use some 3g/wifi phone as an AP for other devices, that would be the best option Jan 14 10:06:10 If you're using multiple wifi devices, wouldn't it be easier to do it with a laptop? Jan 14 10:08:59 <|tbb|> is there a easy howto which let me use internet on my n810 if i plug it through usb cable on a xp or nix system? Jan 14 10:09:02 GeneralAntilles: no, if such thing is not available. Let's say we have 2 wifi phones and one tablet. Jan 14 10:09:13 Ah, right. Jan 14 10:11:39 |tbb|: there was an howto on maemo.org Jan 14 10:12:25 http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/3-x/howto_usb_networking_bora.html Jan 14 10:27:52 <|tbb|> thx maddler will try it Jan 14 10:34:06 Does anyone know of a VNC *server* for Maemo (OS2007) Jan 14 10:34:28 x11vnc Jan 14 10:35:16 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/x11vnc/ , great, thank you. Jan 14 10:38:29 (for others, I had to use http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 to get the OS2007 version)) Jan 14 10:40:22 <|tbb|> GeneralAntilles: will this vncserver work on chinook Jan 14 10:40:51 Strangely, I can't open the application menu (left hand side bar menu) over VNC though. Jan 14 10:42:06 |tbb|: There is an OS2008 deb Jan 14 10:42:17 good morning Jan 14 10:44:32 <|tbb|> oh nice, after i dont get x-forwarding from n810 trough desktop box to work, its my last chance to show applications on desktop Jan 14 10:44:41 <|tbb|> hi florian Jan 14 10:45:14 tbh: yeah, I've got got X forwarding to work that way yet either, although I can get Desktop X11 apps to appear on the N800 OK. Jan 14 10:45:21 i ve set up a repos with two applet in python for hildondesktop Jan 14 10:45:22 |tbb|, it's not a GUI application, so yes. Jan 14 10:45:41 if someone want to try : deb http://khertan.net/maemo chinook user Jan 14 10:45:46 Who they hell decided that "2008 OS" was the correct way to do it on the ITT wiki? <_< Jan 14 10:46:09 I'm in Khertan Jan 14 10:46:51 it should/wg 27 Jan 14 10:46:59 http://khertan.net/maemo/khertan_repository.install Jan 14 10:47:24 (i ven't test the install file ... has i ven't network on my n800 here) Jan 14 10:50:10 I manually added the repo Jan 14 10:50:25 and repo work ? :) Jan 14 10:50:32 I get an error when updating the packages list Jan 14 10:50:47 it s seems to work in the vmware image with sdk Jan 14 10:50:49 are you sure you are not redirecting to your webpages? Jan 14 10:50:52 u get an error ? Jan 14 10:51:13 how do u have configured it ? Jan 14 10:51:14 it says "Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)" Jan 14 10:51:29 hu ? Jan 14 10:51:38 when unpacking packages.gz Jan 14 10:51:48 i think u have an error in the setting ... Jan 14 10:52:04 it s work under scratchbox Jan 14 10:52:14 http://khertan.net/maemo chinook free Jan 14 10:52:47 :P Jan 14 10:52:57 you said "user" not "free" before :P Jan 14 10:53:06 oh ! ... sorry Jan 14 10:53:22 np :) Jan 14 10:53:24 <|tbb|> Aigo MID anyone knows which os it has and when it will be availabl? Jan 14 10:55:33 for both python-hildondesktop and hildon-desktop-loader I get "installation file corrupted" Jan 14 10:57:36 |tbb|, http://www.umpcportal.com/products/product.php?id=162 . The OS is probably intel's midinux I think Jan 14 10:57:50 Delio .... hum ... i ve never be able to create a repository ... Jan 14 10:58:13 if u download package and install it with application manager this will work Jan 14 10:58:37 well I am happy to be your guinea pig if you'd like to fix the repo Jan 14 10:58:40 i think the hosting server is the problem Jan 14 10:58:56 otherwise I will download them manually as you suggest Jan 14 10:59:41 <|tbb|> johnx have seen that, nothing about rls date or os, thats why im asking Jan 14 11:00:02 well, the OS is almost certainly midinux Jan 14 11:00:20 and I don't think anyone has the release date yet Jan 14 11:00:38 the whole MID platform hasn't seemed to condense from vapor yet Jan 14 11:08:01 ds3, you were asking earlier about google maps being usable. If you go to google.com/ig/i (the iphone igoogle page) you can add an "iphone optimized" google maps interface to the page which seems to be a lot more usable then the standard one Jan 14 11:16:25 Top of the morn, everyone :) Jan 14 11:16:53 ;) Jan 14 11:17:49 I should be swimming, not nerding with n800 Jan 14 11:19:01 3 mile run here :D Jan 14 11:20:35 I wish my IT was waterproof Jan 14 11:20:46 Get yourself an otterbox. ;) Jan 14 11:20:52 Or two ziplock bags. Jan 14 11:21:17 GeneralAntilles: otters are great beasts Jan 14 11:22:04 GeneralAntilles: in reality i should just lessen nerding :) Jan 14 11:22:56 Oh, pish! Jan 14 11:23:01 The swimminghall is gonna get crowded in t+2 hrs Jan 14 11:23:04 Nerding makes the world go round. ;) Jan 14 11:23:19 T, t Jan 14 11:26:05 good morning people Jan 14 11:26:47 tekonivel: can you swim in your condition? Jan 14 11:27:41 I hope so... Woke up at 5am Jan 14 11:28:03 My judgement is impaired Jan 14 11:28:09 hm, why isn't there update all-button in app manager Jan 14 11:29:00 Safer to just geek around the house in underwear and a hoodie and not go out Jan 14 11:30:30 Because that might make things easier for you, cosmo. Jan 14 11:30:49 someone please port synaptic.. Jan 14 11:31:03 Hehe, you're more than welcome to. :P Jan 14 11:31:16 apt-get update && apt-get -y --force-yes <3 Jan 14 11:31:23 Thankfully we don't have that many packages so far. Jan 14 11:31:29 cosmo, you want it all nice and hildonized? or want me to just take a swing at it in mud-builder? Jan 14 11:32:55 johnx: just basic port would be enough i think Jan 14 11:33:05 at least better than the application manager Jan 14 11:33:29 btw the map application update still fails.. is there some reason or fix for it+ Jan 14 11:33:46 cosmo, I started a build. I have *no idea how far it will get* Jan 14 11:34:17 i don't think synaptic depends on other stuff than basic gtk.. so it might work Jan 14 11:34:28 Xterm and Emacs still has encoding problems... But i'll go for a dip now or my soul will burnificate in /dev/null Jan 14 11:34:33 Bye Jan 14 11:34:36 hardware keys still doesn't work for me in the updated evince... Jan 14 11:34:40 it dragged chunks of gnome in so far Jan 14 11:34:42 "don't" Jan 14 11:34:44 and died on docbook Jan 14 11:35:05 that can be skipped, right? Jan 14 11:35:06 cosmo, just ignore it. Jan 14 11:35:11 It's not relevant or interesting. ;) Jan 14 11:36:21 maybe someone can help me, i ve setted my repository but each time i try to install a package i get a corrupted file ... Jan 14 11:36:34 if i download it ... then install it ... there is no problem Jan 14 11:36:50 so i think it s come from the server ... but i don't understand why Jan 14 11:37:07 Khertan_TheReal: have you seen my PM? Jan 14 11:42:01 Ehlo there Jan 14 11:42:19 Do you guys where can I find the http://repository.maemo.org/stable/bora/maemo-scratchbox-install_3.0.sh ? Jan 14 11:42:31 It seems that the link is dead ? Jan 14 11:42:49 massoud, Is there a reason you want such an old one? Jan 14 11:42:57 that's not even the latest 2007 release Jan 14 11:43:36 no I just want the scratchbox installation kit ... latest one can be great :) Jan 14 11:43:54 are you trying to develop for 2008OS or 2007OS? Jan 14 11:48:00 johnx : 2007OS Jan 14 11:48:04 alright Jan 14 11:48:21 one sec, and I'll see what I can dig up :D Jan 14 11:48:29 :) Jan 14 11:49:52 massoud, first of all the latest is 3.2: so start with the install here, but since it depends on you having 3.1 setup, and 3.1 depends on 3.0, you really were starting in the right place I guess Jan 14 11:50:36 the file you were originally looking for seems to have moved to here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/3.0/maemo-scratchbox-install_3.0.sh Jan 14 11:51:07 all this 2007OS stuff is kind outdated so it looks like URLs in the INSTALL.txt files are kinda broken Jan 14 11:51:26 is there a reason you're targetting 2007OS instead of 2008OS? Jan 14 11:53:49 johnx : Thanks for the url Jan 14 11:53:53 sure Jan 14 11:54:07 Do you have the link for the 2008OS scratch installer ? Jan 14 11:54:51 all the 2008OS stuff (aka chinook) is here: http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/ Jan 14 11:54:57 I was looking at the portage of obexftp for maemo Jan 14 11:56:07 that would be cool to have Jan 14 11:57:02 yes obexftp along with hcitool scan to script connexions to BT devices :) Jan 14 11:57:23 massoud, agreed Jan 14 11:57:33 that's actually very relevant to what I'm doing right now Jan 14 11:57:48 portage.. maemo? maemo != gentoo.. ;o Jan 14 12:00:38 hmm, nobody built synergy / synergy2 / quicksynergy for maemo os2008 yet? Jan 14 12:01:21 i suppose the os2006/2007 binary works with dpkg -i... Jan 14 12:02:06 Delio> have i ven't received any pm ... are u registered ? pm are blocked on freenode.net Jan 14 12:02:39 I see Jan 14 12:02:52 I am not registered... yet Jan 14 12:03:04 Delio: http://khertan.net/maemo/dists/chinook/free/ Jan 14 12:03:04 [12:10am] Delio: Error 403 - Forbidden Jan 14 12:03:04 [12:10am] Delio: L'accès au fichier requiert une autorisation. Jan 14 12:03:04 [12:10am] Delio: cannot reach the packages manually Jan 14 12:03:05 [12:11am] Delio: and any url to an unexisting file redirects me your website Jan 14 12:03:57 gnieee ... file are here ... i can download it Jan 14 12:04:04 but there is any listing ... Jan 14 12:04:50 http://khertan.net/maemo/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/hildon-desktop-python-loader-0.0.2.armel.deb Jan 14 12:05:02 that works Jan 14 12:05:05 http://khertan.net/maemo/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/homecpuspeed-0.0.1.armel.deb Jan 14 12:05:24 http://khertan.net/maemo/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/homediskfree-0.0.1.armel.deb Jan 14 12:05:36 http://khertan.net/maemo/dists/chinook/free/binary-armel/python-hildondesktop-0.0.2.armel.deb Jan 14 12:05:41 <|tbb|> Khertan_TheReal: what this packages are? Jan 14 12:05:55 hildon desktop binding for python Jan 14 12:05:59 and two python applet Jan 14 12:06:14 and the python hildondesktop launcher Jan 14 12:06:49 hi Jan 14 12:10:37 Installed the launcher and the bindings plus the cpuspeed applet Jan 14 12:10:57 the applet name appears in the list of available applets Jan 14 12:11:34 once selected and OKed it will *not* appear and if I go back to the applet selection menu I find it de-selected Jan 14 12:13:06 do someone know how much U$ is the nokia n810 on us? Jan 14 12:14:14 ~$400-$480 Jan 14 12:14:33 tnx Jan 14 12:16:07 <|tbb|> Khertan_TheReal: any screenshots available yet Jan 14 12:18:39 Delio > strange ... maybe a python lib missing ... Jan 14 12:21:10 I will try to figure out what is missing Jan 14 12:28:55 Delio > you should try to reboot too ... Jan 14 12:29:31 I just done that, didn;t help Jan 14 12:34:29 arg ... i ve used packaged deb to install it on my n800 and it s work like a charm ... Jan 14 12:34:43 don't understand why it doesn't on your Jan 14 12:35:10 mine is an N800 running OS2008 Jan 14 12:35:11 does python2.5-runtime is installed ? Jan 14 12:35:17 cool, old synergy works on os2008 Jan 14 12:35:22 yes, it is Jan 14 12:35:48 hmm well sorta :) Jan 14 12:36:31 can I run it from the command line? Jan 14 12:37:45 maemo-gtk-im-switch xim not workin... Jan 14 12:38:31 Deblio > obviously not ... not easy to debug Jan 14 12:38:46 you could try with ipython to load hildondesktop ... Jan 14 12:38:58 >ipython Jan 14 12:39:04 >import hildondesktop Jan 14 12:39:09 just got my n810 :-) Jan 14 12:39:22 :D Jan 14 12:39:34 done that, no error Jan 14 12:41:10 ah ... Jan 14 12:41:15 so this come from the launcher Jan 14 12:41:17 #islamadavet Jan 14 12:41:47 #islamadavet Jan 14 12:41:47 * alterego wonders what that has to do with maemo .. Jan 14 12:41:49 #islamadavet Jan 14 12:41:54 AzBaR, fuck off. Jan 14 12:41:58 -_- Jan 14 12:42:30 More spammers in this channel than I've seen in any other channel on freenode. Jan 14 12:42:51 need a bot :) Jan 14 12:43:04 Heh Jan 14 12:43:14 Need some ops. Jan 14 12:43:49 Yeah Jan 14 12:43:51 * Lahiru looking for penguinbait :) Jan 14 12:43:54 Well, he didn't stay long .. Jan 14 12:43:58 * Nermal prempts a ban on his other channels :) Jan 14 12:47:12 Join #PythonRocks_RubySucks !!! .... :) Jan 14 12:47:32 lol Jan 14 12:47:49 I prefer my women to suck .. Jan 14 12:47:50 >>> import homecpuspeed Jan 14 12:47:50 >>> homecpuspeed.hd_plugin_get_objects() Jan 14 12:47:50 [] Jan 14 12:47:58 still no errors Jan 14 12:47:58 nice Jan 14 12:50:30 i think more of a problem with the .c loader Jan 14 12:54:47 afternoon all Jan 14 12:55:09 afternoon alone Jan 14 13:02:12 hiç Jan 14 13:02:36 Im getting this everytime I run my program in scratchbox: Jan 14 13:02:46 /home/jo/.osso/current-gtk-key-theme:1: Unable to find include file: "keybindings.rc" Jan 14 13:03:05 anyone knows if it is something wrong with my programe or with the scratchbox setup? Jan 14 13:09:49 hugolp: You are just missing the mentioned file (/home/jo/.osso/keybindings.rc). It's non-fatal, but you could try to create an empty file there to make the warning go away... Jan 14 13:09:52 also Im getting this weird thing with gtk_button. If I set a label and a image in gtk_button I only see the label (no image), but if I set only the image, then the image shows. Jan 14 13:10:06 zuh: ok Jan 14 13:13:06 zuh: I did a touch and the warning did go away Jan 14 13:16:01 Khertan_TheReal: /lib/ld-linux.so.3 --list /usr/lib/hildon-desktop/loaders/libpythonpluginloader.so.0.0.0 confirms all dependencies are there (for the loader) Jan 14 13:17:19 It's bed time, see you tomorrow Jan 14 13:19:40 hey everyone, I just setup scratchbox and the whole sdk stuff Jan 14 13:20:07 is xephyr really necessary ? Jan 14 13:22:12 crashanddie: if you want to see graphical output I think it is Jan 14 13:22:24 hmm Jan 14 13:22:25 ok Jan 14 13:22:41 if you only need the console then you dont need it Jan 14 13:22:43 You can still use xnest, but it wont work properly. Jan 14 13:23:17 As Xephyr supports the composite X11 extension but Xnest does not. Jan 14 13:26:11 alterego: is composite used? as the readme states to use "-extension Composite"... Jan 14 13:26:45 (as in disable extension) Jan 14 13:26:52 What readme? Jan 14 13:26:58 http://repository.maemo.org/stable/chinook/INSTALL.txt Jan 14 13:27:12 You should read the tutorial really. Jan 14 13:27:24 Composite is used I believe, for transparency .. Jan 14 13:27:35 so it's better to use "+extension Composite" then?! ;) Jan 14 13:27:37 Obviously that's only needed for OS2008 development. Jan 14 13:27:55 Well, just play with the option and see. I don't specify it at all. Jan 14 13:28:16 hmm... I'm only going to be deving for OS2008 Jan 14 13:29:05 and the tutorial doesn't really specificy we have a choice Jan 14 13:29:13 "For this purpose, we recommend Xephyr, but there are also alternative options." Jan 14 13:29:31 whats wrong with Xephyr? Jan 14 13:29:35 it worked fine here Jan 14 13:29:51 well if composite is really used, then this is obviously a manual bug (as it's the official INSTALL.txt).. Jan 14 13:33:14 alterego: the tutorial also says to disable composite btw. Jan 14 13:34:36 What version of the sdk are you developing for? Jan 14 13:35:01 chinook Jan 14 13:35:03 Ah yes, you're right. How strange :) Jan 14 13:35:21 Well I hope that's intended .. Jan 14 13:35:51 yeah.. well, it works so far.. just wondered ;) Jan 14 13:35:55 the postman delivered a arduino to me by accident. Jan 14 13:36:39 arduino? Jan 14 13:37:37 some very popular io board http://www.arduino.cc/ Arduino is an open-source electronics prototyping platform based on flexible, eas ..... Jan 14 13:38:38 Oh, that's neat. Jan 14 13:38:51 For for people how really don't like to know how it all works Jan 14 13:39:10 I wonder what I can do with it Jan 14 13:39:34 "delivered.. by accident" . . when they want it back it will be really messed up, right?! ;> Jan 14 13:40:06 You could build a burgler alarm with it ^_^ Jan 14 13:40:35 I call then ,because I also ordered something else from them Jan 14 13:41:03 and told them. (they gave me a special price for you my friend) Jan 14 13:41:07 I'm thinking of starting my own software stack build on Hildon. Jan 14 13:41:39 alterego: why? Jan 14 13:41:41 Using my N800 as the platform. As my N810 has replaced it in my heart. Jan 14 13:41:53 oh dear Jan 14 13:42:03 keesj, I'd like to build a dist based more on Debian than Maemo is. Jan 14 13:42:29 alterego: why not join the mamona team? Jan 14 13:42:45 keesj, I don't know :) Jan 14 13:42:48 anybody here knows if gtk_button in hildon can show a label and a image at the same time or it cant? Jan 14 13:42:49 alterego: get hildon into debian and have debian be the distro :-) Jan 14 13:43:16 hugolp, it can. Jan 14 13:43:27 But I can't remember off hand how :P Jan 14 13:43:29 alterego: I still have a hate relation with debian(but I do use ubuntu as user) Jan 14 13:43:41 alterego: Im getting this weird thing with gtk_button. If I set a label and a image in gtk_button I only see the label (no image), but if I set only the image, then the image shows. Jan 14 13:44:11 alterego: Im checking the gtkbutton.c source at hildon svn but it doesnt take care of that there Jan 14 13:44:15 at least that I can see Jan 14 13:44:17 hugolp, right. You might have to use it's bin properties. Jan 14 13:44:27 alterego: how? Jan 14 13:44:36 I like mamona since it uses openembedded and provides e17 , you get a chance to build everyting including a recent toolchain Jan 14 13:45:45 hugolp, make a HBox, add the image and label. Then add that HBox using gtk_container_add Jan 14 13:45:48 alterego to be honest I really have no clue what i would mean to creat a distro based on debian Jan 14 13:46:39 keesj, well, maemo is half based on debian, same package management and uses some of the sources too. But it handles a few things very differently. Like networking etc. Jan 14 13:47:04 And I'm more interested in doing it, just for the sake of it. Not for any real profit/project. Jan 14 13:47:33 alterego: but I have the feeling the maemo delivered an sdk where "users" use different tools then the "maemo developers" Jan 14 13:47:45 Yes Jan 14 13:48:19 hugolp, what language are you using? Python or C? Jan 14 13:48:23 Or Ruby? ;) Jan 14 13:48:26 I feel Nokia is moving in the right direction, making it dist-upgradeable etc. like they have said (?) they'd do. Jan 14 13:48:31 alterego: C Jan 14 13:48:35 Im old school Jan 14 13:48:39 hugolp, right :) Jan 14 13:48:42 Just wanted to cheak. Jan 14 13:48:44 ~check .. Jan 14 13:48:46 * infobot slams .. into the glass nose first Jan 14 13:49:03 Erm .. Jan 14 13:49:08 ahaha Jan 14 13:49:12 wow infobot is violent Jan 14 13:49:43 But I *would* like it moving even more into the right direction, with making low-level stuff like networking as you mentioned more like debian. Jan 14 13:49:56 I've noticed there aren't exactly a lot of C++ lovers... How come ? Jan 14 13:50:15 * Nermal segfaults Jan 14 13:50:43 alterego: I'd like to see basically enough user-level packages in debian proper that you could flash a pure debian onto the n800, with the right packages pre-selected, and have it be just as useful as maemo. Jan 14 13:51:06 I'd also like to see lots of maemo packages build without too much trouble on a pure debian environment on a different arch for that matter :-) Jan 14 13:51:21 * Jon pokes at checkout of maemopad+ to this end, now and then Jan 14 13:51:25 Jon: agreed. Jan 14 13:51:27 these are all things I'm interested in as well Jan 14 13:52:15 I'd like to see a more debianized distro for the n8x0 (even it has to be boot-from-sd) and I'd also like to see a maemo environment available for debian armel for other devices (ie zaurus) Jan 14 13:52:42 what's "more debianized"? Jan 14 13:53:01 with a more "official debian" behavior Jan 14 13:53:10 hmm, boot from sd, hadn't thought about that before. Jan 14 13:53:28 Jon, makes things a lot safer, more roomy and much more recoverable :) Jan 14 13:53:28 Slapping maemo onto a zaurus would be hard. The UI isn't very forgiving with small resolution screens. Jan 14 13:53:42 Slapping it onto the EeePC would be fine. Though no touch screen :) Jan 14 13:53:55 alterego, I'd be happy enough with getting most hildonized apps to run ok Jan 14 13:53:56 fewer repositories in my sources.list, more crypto-signed with a key I know Jan 14 13:53:56 Divorcing ITOS away from the any specific hardware as much as possible is a good idea. Jan 14 13:54:03 I think keeping maemo targeted at the tablet UMPC like machines is the best idea. Jan 14 13:54:04 Would do a lot to help keep Nokia relevant. Jan 14 13:54:18 agree with GeneralAntilles Jan 14 13:54:23 there's this ubuntu mobile thing, if some of that work feeds back into debian that'd be great Jan 14 13:54:41 More hardware for the platform means more users and more developers means more for me. :D Jan 14 13:54:53 GeneralAntilles, selfish pig :P Jan 14 13:54:54 What's the timeframe on Ubuntu Mobile? Jan 14 13:55:09 Hehe, why else do you think I try and sell as many of these things as possible? Jan 14 13:55:10 selfish cover, but pretty community driven if you ask me Jan 14 13:55:10 GeneralAntilles, infinity the way they're going :P Jan 14 13:55:13 there IRC channel looks kind of slow :/ Jan 14 13:55:38 every so often someone drops by says "how can I help?" and doesn't get a response Jan 14 13:55:41 Or helping out new users Jan 14 13:55:46 It's all rational self-interest! Jan 14 13:56:01 johnx: yeah, that's called a frankenstein project... Jan 14 13:56:12 every 2 months someone will yell "IT'S ALIVE" Jan 14 13:56:21 but eventually, it'll get burned down to earth Jan 14 13:56:52 crashanddie, I thought you meant my idea of "frankensteining" random parts of distros togehter :) Jan 14 14:00:03 I think with the EeePC ubuntu mobile will become more active .. Jan 14 14:00:33 But they've had ample time to hammer something onto the 770 and haven't .. Jan 14 14:00:52 well, ubuntu doesn't really have an arm/armel port at all Jan 14 14:01:04 their mobile efforts are aimed at intel x86 Jan 14 14:01:18 they even dropped ppc Jan 14 14:02:05 either way, it really hurts to see debian and ubuntu diverging so much. Debian ending up with a great armel port and ubuntu ending up with a mobile UI project Jan 14 14:02:25 debian does have a great armel port, but there's also the distinct emdebian, so it isn't fully integrated into the main OS yet Jan 14 14:02:35 i blame ubuntu Jan 14 14:02:38 well.. mostly Jan 14 14:03:06 I know what you mean johnx, I tend to think of "ubuntu mobile" as being in no way related to ubuntu, really, perhaps treating it like any piece of upstream software from Debian's POV. But "ubuntu" in the title gets it media attention etc. Jan 14 14:03:32 Jon, is the current armel/eabi port on debian-ports.org connected to the emdebian stuff? Jan 14 14:04:04 I thought the current armel stuff was "just a normal port" and the emdebian stuff was ongoing in some other direction? Jan 14 14:04:15 * johnx might be really confused Jan 14 14:04:25 ah well; armel is yes, just an ABI-different build of debian. emdebian is different Jan 14 14:04:52 but I mean, emdebian makes changes to make debian better for embedded environments that it couldn't do in the main distribution; e.g. remove perl from essential, change sh -> dash or !bash, etc. Jan 14 14:05:18 ok, I think I understand Jan 14 14:06:35 random interjection: is there some alternate place where nokia might have package sources? besides http://repository.maemo.org/? Jan 14 14:07:04 I have bluez-utils 3.22 on my N800 but the latest I can find the package source (or a package at al!) for is 3.20 Jan 14 14:07:17 maybe this is something to ask on the mailing list ... Jan 14 14:09:42 Maybe it's just a patch .. Jan 14 14:09:56 nevermind Jan 14 14:10:01 I'm missing a deb-src line Jan 14 14:10:19 Heh Jan 14 14:10:24 they sure like having as many repositories as possible O_o Jan 14 14:10:55 I mean repositories are pretty great but there is such as thing as "too much of a good thing" Jan 14 14:11:36 Yeah, shame they're not mirrors for redundancy :P Jan 14 14:11:48 oh, they're all on the same machine Jan 14 14:12:52 yeah, nearly every 3rd party app I install needs yet another repo. nokia,maemo, modest, etc. Jan 14 14:13:07 anyone from maemo project here? Jan 14 14:13:22 Jon, well, hopefully Jaffa's RFC will make some headway Jan 14 14:13:24 I missed the subject of this frankenstein story , what are you all talking about? Jan 14 14:14:36 johnx: I think Jaffa's RFC stands the same chance as the other initiatives. Jan 14 14:15:00 i have a problem with my discount code who can i contact please? Jan 14 14:15:54 keesj, the frankenstein thing was used to describe ubuntu mobile (as in, it's kinda lurching around, not really getting anywhere) and also my idea to "frankenstein" maemo/hildon onto debian/armel Jan 14 14:16:03 it the turn of nokia to move (they must say we need 5 people outside of nokia (or not with the nokia hat one) to decide how to setup the repo) Jan 14 14:16:54 johnx: I did not really get it. apparently its the hildong thing that is supposed to be moving i guess. Jan 14 14:17:57 keesj, well, there's not much to get. I'm just playing around at this point. Jan 14 14:19:15 * Lahiru needs penguinbait :) Jan 14 14:39:57 hi all. How to install OpenSSH on 2007HE (2.2006.48-7)? I keep getting broken install. Jan 14 14:40:46 ls Jan 14 14:49:58 alterego: I see maemo.rubyx is back up (cool). Although it seems only version 0.3 of the bindings is available. Jan 14 15:34:01 lardman: ping Jan 14 15:36:25 hi, all! Is it possible to get source code for touchscreen calibration utility from maemo3.x times? Jan 14 15:39:57 slapin: there's a calibration utility in tslib, it's probably not the same one though Jan 14 15:40:36 dhd|pong, well, it is removed by packaging stuff. Jan 14 15:40:56 dhd|pong, and I was not able to make it work either. Jan 14 15:41:09 nick dhd Jan 14 15:41:12 oops Jan 14 15:41:30 hmm. I haven't actually tried it myself Jan 14 15:41:39 I think it wants direct framebuffer access Jan 14 15:42:11 dhd, actually I need touchscreen calibrator compatible with maemo 3.x X server Jan 14 15:42:41 dhd, IIRC there was some tool in control panel for that, no? Jan 14 15:43:52 since current libxcalibrate and others require new X server to work Jan 14 15:44:11 ohhh yeah I remember there being one Jan 14 15:44:17 I also remember it not really workign for me :) Jan 14 15:44:25 sorry I'm probably no help here Jan 14 15:53:11 does anyone has tried Canola2 on OS 2007 HE? Jan 14 15:53:56 Canola2 := Canola2 Beta Jan 14 15:54:35 rene4jazz doesn't work yet on OS 2007 HE. Jan 14 15:54:48 ^Canola2 Jan 14 15:59:38 Dont want to start fud here, but does anyone know what happenned to Quim? I realized this weekend we have not heard from him in the Dec/Jan timeframe. Jan 14 16:00:29 he did post to his blog Jan 14 16:00:33 He sent some mail today. Jan 14 16:00:45 Back from vacation, cleaning up the mess... ;-) Jan 14 16:01:21 hhee Poor Quim. Jan 14 16:01:22 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2008-January/013899.html Jan 14 16:01:39 "Back from holidays. I was more or less aware of the issues (thanks to Jan 14 16:01:39 people posting here and there, also in my blog) but without any Jan 14 16:01:41 possibility to do much." Jan 14 16:02:22 \Not read it. He must have posted after my gmail synced Jan 14 16:02:26 But he tries to help... ;-) Jan 14 16:03:06 I can't say enough good things about Quim. Jan 14 16:03:16 oh, ok Jan 14 16:03:19 Skin of flame retarndant leather and heart of gold Jan 14 16:03:42 ;-) Jan 14 16:03:48 tableteer: any timeframe to port to OS 2007 HE? Jan 14 16:04:31 rene4jazz: None seen yet. I expect something to happen after the first official release. Jan 14 16:04:40 any pygame / python friends here want a nice classic game remake to port? Jan 14 16:05:41 rene4jazz: In their list of supported platforms they wrote "coming soon". Jan 14 16:06:16 "in Q1 2008 there will be a release of the final version of Canola2" Jan 14 16:06:23 see also http://openbossa.indt.org.br/canola/about.html Jan 14 16:07:02 quim++ Jan 14 16:16:02 anyone using ezimail? Jan 14 16:16:17 or some other console mail client aside mutt Jan 14 16:16:35 for imap Jan 14 16:17:02 for some reason I remember alpine being available Jan 14 16:17:25 like pine/ Jan 14 16:17:26 good ol'e pine finally revived ;) Jan 14 16:17:55 I reacall pine as not suiting to me as mutt Jan 14 16:31:31 Anyone here interested in a2dp? Jan 14 16:32:01 I've hacked together a .deb that turns on a2dp support for mplayer/kagu Jan 14 16:32:43 nice Jan 14 16:32:54 I'd appreciate it if anyone was willing to test it and tell me whether it works ok Jan 14 16:33:16 <- 7 euro sony headphones Jan 14 16:33:44 johnx: a2dp is bluetooth audio right? My car has BT to talk to my cellphone - I wonder if I could use a2dp to play music in the car? Jan 14 16:34:04 pupnik_, bluetooth headphones for that cheap? or just wired? Jan 14 16:34:05 that would be cool! Jan 14 16:34:09 wired Jan 14 16:34:28 there are two protocols for bluetooth audio; cellphone headsets usually use sco (8-bit mono) and not a2dp (16-bit stereo). iirc Jan 14 16:34:29 niteOwl, hmm...probably not. Your car probably only supports the "Headset Protocol" HSP Jan 14 16:34:31 after a few weeks of use I feel that the OS 2007 HE is not well designed for such a constrained device... just after booting it eats half or more of available ram memory. Jan 14 16:34:41 hsp is probably more accurate than sco Jan 14 16:34:47 sco is the underlying protocol Jan 14 16:34:53 rene4jazz: is it more than OS2006? Jan 14 16:35:08 mgedmin, johnx: oh well Jan 14 16:35:47 <|tbb|> niteOwl im looking forward to a2dp 2 caraudio ;) Jan 14 16:35:58 so, no one wants to be a guinea pig ... I mean beta tester? Jan 14 16:36:09 tbbj: I think it should be cool too Jan 14 16:36:17 ah well, I'll just put it up on itt untested. Should be lots of fun. :D Jan 14 16:36:19 <|tbb|> but first of all i would be happy about native a2dp support on os2008 Jan 14 16:38:14 johnx: I wouldn't mind being a guinea pig, of someone supplied the hardware ;) Jan 14 16:39:02 heh...well if I had another N8x0 and another pair of bluetooth headphones to test it I wouldn't have to get other beta testers :P Jan 14 16:40:34 I don't remember well but I think that 2006 is to heavy too (maybe I'll reflash my n770 with OS 2006 to be sure) Jan 14 16:42:09 dhd|gone: sorry I missed you, was in a meeting Jan 14 17:07:36 I have some good ideas Jan 14 17:08:17 tekonivel, Would you like to share them? :) Jan 14 17:08:21 I'd love an rss-reader, that would show a slideshow of items Jan 14 17:09:19 Thud we could have our IT as a flickr pictoframe or as a newsbulletin machine Jan 14 17:12:07 First i was thinking about the photo-frame idea for quiver, and then realized that some sort of rss engine would be useful... But why not a more generic application Jan 14 17:13:49 In reality i would prefer to watch all sorts of images all from the same proggie whether they are stored locally, on bluetooth devices or over the net Jan 14 17:13:55 I was thinking of a photoframe some time ago too Jan 14 17:14:08 although it would be nice to have remote control of it (over the network) as well Jan 14 17:14:56 Canola2 does that. Jan 14 17:15:00 tekonivel Jan 14 17:15:08 photocasting with flickr/picasa feeds. Jan 14 17:15:10 czr: yeah, i'm sure several people have envisioned smth similar Jan 14 17:15:10 using it now.. Jan 14 17:15:30 fysa: srsly? Jan 14 17:15:53 yeah, long-term we are going to tag our photos according to the room we went to show them in Jan 14 17:16:01 fysa: can it browse files over BT too? Jan 14 17:16:13 fysa: wicked Jan 14 17:16:24 I want canola, now! Jan 14 17:16:24 i.e., 'frontroomphotos' tag -- subscribe to that tag's RSS Jan 14 17:16:25 voila Jan 14 17:16:42 then we can use flickr to manage where photos are shown.. Jan 14 17:16:53 BT? Jan 14 17:16:56 photos over bluetooth? Jan 14 17:17:07 like, from a camera? Jan 14 17:17:13 that should work, but bluetooth file sending is a push deal Jan 14 17:17:15 not pull.. Jan 14 17:17:23 so you'd have to send from the camera/cell to the IT device I believe Jan 14 17:17:36 you can obexftp browse some phones Jan 14 17:17:37 I nfs mount my fileserver's photo dir.. Jan 14 17:17:39 Too bad it's not Gnu gpl (i'm awfully stallmannian) Jan 14 17:17:51 There are a couple wifi cameras IIRC Jan 14 17:18:01 I'm back at TAMUK Jan 14 17:18:04 I have no idea how they accomplish file transfer though Jan 14 17:18:05 Only today i installed mediabox Jan 14 17:18:44 could care less about a license, if someone puts the effort/time into creating something truly useful, they deserve that consideration Jan 14 17:19:31 Hmm, i don't want a local copy of files over Bt... Jan 14 17:20:06 fysa: i care a lot about licenses, but that's an another story Jan 14 17:21:23 I care when I need to make a change that should be allowed distribution to someone else's code that would have otherwise died an unmaintained death. Jan 14 17:21:30 I can browse files over Bt in some applications, like the bundled file manager... I'd love to have a slideshow of piccies on my cameraphone Jan 14 17:21:50 I'll give canola a shot, definetely Jan 14 17:22:36 Like, now Jan 14 17:23:25 fysa: thanks for the tip, m8 Jan 14 17:23:43 np, still in beta and some features are missing but already very promising. Jan 14 17:23:55 gotta run Jan 14 17:24:15 Proggies that are not beta are dead Jan 14 17:24:40 :) Jan 14 17:25:37 a lot of ppl canola even before 2.0B, i gave it a shot too but it was a bit amnoying somehow Jan 14 17:27:37 Yeah, we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for Gnu gpl Jan 14 17:27:47 I love copyleft Jan 14 17:27:52 <3 Jan 14 17:28:33 tekonivel: I love it too Jan 14 17:28:38 or WE love it too Jan 14 17:28:45 but, we were not able to decide this Jan 14 17:28:49 at least the product is good Jan 14 17:30:25 Yeah, you can liberate it later ;) Jan 14 17:31:14 k-s[WORK]: i hear a lot of good about canola, on Ittf Jan 14 17:33:23 quick question: Does canola use osso-player for media playback or mplayer? Jan 14 17:35:16 johnx: I think it uses gst directly Jan 14 17:35:22 ah Jan 14 17:35:34 darn Jan 14 17:35:50 The mailcap-idea hasn't caught on Ot, now has it Jan 14 17:36:08 s/Ot/IT/ Jan 14 17:36:08 tekonivel meant: The mailcap-idea hasn't caught on IT, now has it Jan 14 17:37:52 infobot: thanks, thats a useful feature of you... Not everybody knows all the dialecs of Irc-speak :) Jan 14 17:37:52 tekonivel: bitte Jan 14 17:38:25 infobot: do you know Eliza? Jan 14 17:38:26 yes, I know Eliza. Jan 14 17:38:52 LOL Jan 14 17:39:56 I hoped it had said "what makes you think do i know Eliza?" Jan 14 17:49:38 <|tbb|> how can i found out the wlan adapter is online but in powersafe mode if something like this is available? Jan 14 17:51:32 is there a default voip client available with N810? Jan 14 17:52:39 henrique, yes. It comes with SIP by default I think Jan 14 17:52:45 johnx ... http://pupnik.de/daimonin_widget_810.jpg Jan 14 17:53:06 johnx, and it is a client using telepathy? Jan 14 17:53:19 henrique, I do not know Jan 14 17:53:29 pupnik_, that looks great :D Jan 14 18:00:03 henrique: yes Jan 14 18:03:05 Great, now i've got a photocast of fixed gear bikes on my desk, thanks canola!! Jan 14 18:03:52 Also it's a good option of the OS to not sleep tjen AC is connected Jan 14 18:08:08 dhd, is it closed ? Jan 14 18:11:06 I'm sure in a future version of canola the photocasts loop and autoscale the pics. This is great Jan 14 18:15:14 guys what's used by the gps driver? Jan 14 18:15:20 *what's the device Jan 14 18:19:56 bedboi, is it /dev/pgps? Jan 14 18:22:01 for some reason when i use navit gpsd takes 100% cpu Jan 14 18:22:48 alright, a2dp-support .deb is up here: http://internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=111634#post111634 Jan 14 18:23:08 people have 6 minutes to ask questions before I go to bed Jan 14 18:27:56 Alright. I need sleep now Jan 14 18:27:59 'night all Jan 14 18:56:06 Hi Jan 14 18:56:07 mmm... gronmayer seems to be down.. Jan 14 19:07:25 hello Jan 14 19:07:37 is the RSS home applet opensource? Jan 14 19:08:45 gronmayer is down? Jan 14 19:09:04 nm, now its working ;) Jan 14 19:09:24 if i wanted to downgrade my n800 from 08 to 07, will i have any problems? Jan 14 19:09:51 if you're flashing, no Jan 14 19:10:23 do i need to use the flasher app, or can i use the nokia windows utility Jan 14 19:10:34 I don't know.. never used the nokia windows utility Jan 14 19:11:04 kthnx Jan 14 19:22:35 good evening chaps Jan 14 19:23:01 * lcuk now has usb working on 810 :) Jan 14 19:23:04 * lcuk is happy Jan 14 19:23:54 does usb hostmode still work on os2008 on an n800? Jan 14 19:24:09 it should do Jan 14 19:24:14 I never tried to do it with os2007 but I recently updated to 2008 Jan 14 19:24:32 it'd be fun to plug in a usb keyboard or something Jan 14 19:24:48 on the 810 ive managed it without a cable mod (apart from doctoring a standard large female-female connector Jan 14 19:25:07 I was just going to use a powered usb hub Jan 14 19:25:34 im using the original nokia firmware update cable because nowhere seems to have the mini plugs on the shelf Jan 14 19:25:42 ah Jan 14 19:25:57 so you just hacked together a female-female connector Jan 14 19:26:01 there is a root mode shell command needed but its all roses after that Jan 14 19:26:22 nice.. I'll have to try it when I get home tonight Jan 14 19:26:40 yer - i took a pair from an old pci facia with motherboard plugs Jan 14 19:26:49 it works through a hub as well Jan 14 19:27:19 shell command is: Jan 14 19:27:20 echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode Jan 14 19:27:34 search google with this as well to find out the other params and modes you may need Jan 14 19:28:00 ah, I see it Jan 14 19:28:02 nice... thanks Jan 14 19:28:14 np :) im just happy to finally have a tab key! Jan 14 19:28:33 now I need to find a mini keyboard, lol Jan 14 19:28:55 bluetooth will be better in the long run, but for now this will do Jan 14 19:29:10 i cannot use this without Having the kickstand on 810 out Jan 14 19:30:00 * lcuk ponders taking it off Jan 14 19:30:59 its too bad i don't have a female-female connector here at work.. I have my nokia usb cable and some keyboards... but no adapter Jan 14 19:37:01 hmmmm SIGINT handler failed :( Jan 14 19:43:10 now, apart from the crows nest of wires i can see if i will be comfortable with coding directly on the device Jan 14 20:01:12 hi @ all Jan 14 20:01:27 when comes the new os out?? Jan 14 20:01:40 uh? which one? Jan 14 20:01:55 I haven't heard any more about new OSes. Jan 14 20:02:18 OS2008 is already out, thoenig Jan 14 20:02:20 er, thopieka1 Jan 14 20:02:50 54.4 is out now right?? Jan 14 20:03:10 when comes a new one?? Jan 14 20:03:40 what's a good mail program that integrates well with the rest of maemo? Jan 14 20:04:23 maemo's e-mail progg Jan 14 20:04:29 ^^ Jan 14 20:05:13 that one seems to have an annoying bug of not showing message that are not fully HTML (Mime header w/ only a text/plain section) Jan 14 20:05:26 i like my mailers to show me everything Jan 14 20:06:17 try ... Jan 14 20:06:20 mom Jan 14 20:06:38 try claws-mail Jan 14 20:06:56 it should be in the maemo extras repo Jan 14 20:06:57 looking at the pages for it, can't figure out what level of integration Jan 14 20:27:28 i have a problem with my discount code who can i contact please? Jan 14 20:29:23 welcome to the club Jan 14 20:30:32 * lcuk wishes he knew about discount codes before paying full price Jan 14 20:31:10 lcuk: No. You don't. Jan 14 20:31:32 i gatherf i wouldnt have it yet Jan 14 20:31:33 how much was the discount anyway? Jan 14 20:32:29 actually, more importantly, has anyone used a solar charger with their tablet? I'm looking around for one Jan 14 20:32:48 * dhd wants to take his N810 and N75 on bike tours Jan 14 20:34:14 oooh http://www.solarstyle.com/ Jan 14 20:34:21 there was an itt thread Jan 14 20:37:38 hi is there a version of skype for maemo that does video? Jan 14 20:38:10 No Jan 14 20:38:33 gizmo project apparently does Jan 14 20:38:41 Have not tried it though Jan 14 20:40:43 dhd: what area (geographically) and what time of the year are you considering it? Jan 14 20:40:58 midwest, spring Jan 14 20:41:20 midwest USA taht is Jan 14 20:41:24 dhd: fwiw, I tried it during a train trip and the results were disappointing but that was in Nov Jan 14 20:41:39 the one I used looked like the SC002 on that solarstyle page Jan 14 20:41:41 ds3: hmm Jan 14 20:41:54 jefflf: thanks Jan 14 20:42:03 dhd: other thing to watch out for is the Nokia _NEEDS_ 5.5V to charge. It does not like 5V chargers Jan 14 20:42:21 dhd: I plan to try it again in the spring preferablly out doors instead of through a train window Jan 14 20:42:21 not true Jan 14 20:42:33 yeah the train windows actually block a surprising amount of light Jan 14 20:42:55 dhd: this is the one I used - http://search.geeks.com/search.aspx?SI=ad31e2c3-1b6f-4fc9-a7b2-1716df78d51c&Action=14&AXD=http%3a%2f%2fwww.geeks.com%2fdetails.asp%3finvtid%3dSC1000%26cpc%3dSCH%7eSC1000%7eAOCSolar+SC1000+Solar+Charger+w%2fBuilt-in+Li-ion+Battery%7e15.99 Jan 14 20:42:58 bah Jan 14 20:43:06 http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=SC1000&cpc=SCH Jan 14 20:43:07 that's one hell of a URL, but it worked :) Jan 14 20:43:10 cleaner link, sorry about that Jan 14 20:43:52 what I found really useful is the Energerizer Energi-to-go brick (4AA's) Jan 14 20:43:52 hmm, that one is cheaper, the claimed charging time in the sun is about twice as long as the solarstyle one Jan 14 20:44:29 dhd: you plan to do WiFi for comm. or Bt to a phone? Jan 14 20:44:42 nope but I was hoping to use the GPS Jan 14 20:44:50 ah Jan 14 20:44:54 and occasionally bluetooth to a phone Jan 14 20:44:57 as a tracker I assume? Jan 14 20:45:09 yeah Jan 14 20:45:23 my biggest problem on the train was keeping the phone powered (probally crappy 2 year old batteries) Jan 14 20:45:58 I'd point you to my rants on it except it is located on a private server at the moment Jan 14 20:46:32 I do wonder how much CPU time and power maemo-mapper or the Nokia map application uses when tracking via GPS Jan 14 20:46:40 I guess it depends on whether auto-center is turned on Jan 14 20:47:00 obviously on a bike, voice-directed navigation isn't very useful :) Jan 14 20:47:35 but I'd like to be able to use it over a 6-hour ride or so Jan 14 20:47:37 Based on some crude experiments, don't use the built in Map app. Jan 14 20:47:47 Maemo mapper actually seems decent power wise Jan 14 20:48:09 the built in Map app drains the batteries faster then the car fuel gage :( Jan 14 20:49:05 3d view or normal? and with wifi on as well? Jan 14 20:49:08 * dhd wonders what a good phone is that does EDGE and Bluetooth and has good battery life Jan 14 20:49:19 * dhd notes that N-series phones do not have good battery life :( Jan 14 20:49:19 lcuk: normal, bluetooth network connection Jan 14 20:49:21 dhd: for example? Jan 14 20:49:43 old Treos aren't doing too well in the battery dept either Jan 14 20:50:12 crikey this seems ok battery wise but no bt - 810 Jan 14 20:50:22 ds3: try tinymail Jan 14 20:50:25 i have a nokia 8801, that's a battery killer :) Jan 14 20:50:39 timely: I will look into that Jan 14 20:50:51 best I get food, it is almost 1 Jan 14 20:51:22 Anybody here active on Tablettalk? Is there a forum or thread where ppl introduce themselves Jan 14 20:51:29 holy crap, whoever told me the builtin mail client on maemo is bad, was right Jan 14 20:51:44 asking me every time I delete an IMAP email whether I want to delete it on the server Jan 14 20:51:47 I cannot find one :/ Jan 14 20:52:19 fugitivo: N75 ... barely lasts a day on a charge, of course if AT&T allowed you to switch it to GSM it would be a lot better Jan 14 20:52:41 time to unlock it Jan 14 20:53:16 i'm looking for a phone with good battery life Jan 14 20:53:33 I'm tired of my 8801, it needs to be on the charging base all day long Jan 14 20:54:19 Test Jan 14 20:55:21 Pidgin is not very good for irc Jan 14 20:55:38 this solar charger looks great, but where the heck to you buy it ... http://www.soldius.com/ourproducts.html Jan 14 20:55:43 pupnik810: why? Jan 14 20:56:24 dhd: really nice Jan 14 20:56:37 oh, here it is ... http://www.mysolidus.com/ Jan 14 20:58:26 dhd, http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/giftsforhim/7d34/ Jan 14 20:58:42 dhd: $90 is a good price Jan 14 20:58:45 ah-ha Jan 14 20:59:00 the question is, is it compatible Jan 14 20:59:13 http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/travelpower/7d34/detail/ Jan 14 20:59:20 you try first :) Jan 14 20:59:25 haha Jan 14 20:59:31 Nokia 770 Jan 14 20:59:34 check that page Jan 14 20:59:38 oh there it is... Jan 14 20:59:52 i think i'm going to buy one Jan 14 21:00:21 it comes with 7 adapter tips Jan 14 21:00:33 wow Jan 14 21:00:39 i think im goign to get one too Jan 14 21:02:51 the only drawback is that it doesn't have a battery inside like the solarstyle one Jan 14 21:03:09 dhd: so no sun no power? Jan 14 21:04:20 yeah, it's strictly a charger, although it looks like it would probably do a good job keeping your battery topped up with enough light Jan 14 21:04:41 does it have limited life? Jan 14 21:20:08 * Jaffa wonders to spend time now working out if Mikhail Sobolev's "extras promotion interface" blows the need for his RFC out of the water. Jan 14 21:20:44 heh Jan 14 21:21:34 given it's not clear which column is which, I'm struggling to make head or tails of it. So may retire and have a nice cup of tea and a sit down. Jan 14 21:23:37 Jaffa: what is this "interface" stuff about ? I just lost some mail =/ Jan 14 21:24:14 MoRpHeUz: see most recent maemo-developers post Jan 14 21:26:40 hhmm Jan 14 21:41:46 * doc|home thieves from pupnik810 Jan 14 21:42:11 hmm Jan 14 21:45:09 hi Jan 14 21:46:31 Did I miss something during initial setup or does the device never actually ask what your home city is during initial setup? Jan 14 21:46:36 why is there a huge bar at the bottom of xterm on os2008.. *ontaining the letters abc Jan 14 21:47:05 massive waste of screen Jan 14 21:47:57 You put buttons there. Jan 14 21:48:01 Buttons and shortcuts. Jan 14 21:48:04 pup, its from the 810 Jan 14 21:48:14 Oh, that. Jan 14 21:48:20 ok the abc is related to hildon input Jan 14 21:48:20 The autocomplete for the N810. Jan 14 21:48:21 you disable it in control pane' Jan 14 21:48:31 I preferref them on the side Jan 14 21:48:59 I preferred them when they didn't suck. Jan 14 21:49:07 do you use osk? Jan 14 21:49:23 OSK? Jan 14 21:49:32 on screen keyboard Jan 14 21:49:48 OSK is also a development board for OMAPs Jan 14 21:50:01 ahhhh Jan 14 21:50:24 gen - i got host mode working with nokia cable and my female-female dongle Jan 14 21:50:40 Nice work. Jan 14 21:50:44 but now its stopped again :( Jan 14 21:50:51 Beat it with a stick. Jan 14 21:50:55 I do use Oak Jan 14 21:51:01 there is a shell cmd to force host Jan 14 21:51:10 i was thinking of that Jan 14 21:51:45 i will redo it later and get reproducable results Jan 14 21:51:54 pupnik_: that "abc" bar comes out whenever you are using keyboard Jan 14 21:52:07 pupnik_: btw... I agree... waste of space... Jan 14 21:52:08 * lcuk will use the hub he bought Jan 14 21:52:18 lcuk, someguy posted a bunch of scripts to do it from a menu selection Jan 14 21:52:48 maddler: great for emacs users Jan 14 21:52:58 maddler / pup you get rid with control panel text input and the language tab settings Jan 14 21:53:15 lemme see... Jan 14 21:53:27 I wish pressing ctrl would conjure osk directly Jan 14 21:53:45 tekonivel: I'm not talking about xterm shortcuts... ;) Jan 14 21:53:49 Onscreen ctrl i mean Jan 14 21:53:51 ds3 i saw them but its just flaked out on me - i got comfy closed the shell sat down pressed a key and it was gone Jan 14 21:54:06 oh Jan 14 21:54:26 maddler: i am :^) Jan 14 21:54:28 was looking positively promising Jan 14 21:54:30 Hmm, would ultrastar work on the tablets ;) Jan 14 21:54:43 thats better Jan 14 21:54:48 * lcuk_2 stretches his fingers Jan 14 21:54:51 tekonivel: hehehe... shortcuts are great with Screen as well :D Jan 14 21:54:52 lcuk, not enough power? Jan 14 21:55:00 lcuk: it works! thx! Jan 14 21:55:06 there was at first im not sure though Jan 14 21:55:13 ive got a powered hub so i will test later Jan 14 21:55:29 hi all. maemo extras fails for me with a 401 Unauthorized when I attempt to use the repo. All of the other repos work fine. Does anyone have any ideas? I'm running chinook. Jan 14 21:55:54 maddler: yup, maybe therecould be sets of them Jan 14 21:57:01 tekonivel: yes, sets could help... emacs... screen... irssi... Jan 14 21:57:07 is there a way to get modest to use a smaller font? Jan 14 21:57:40 I like the sets idea. -> bugs.maemo.org Jan 14 21:58:14 hachi: nope... not yet at least... Jan 14 21:58:16 GeneralAntilles: :) Jan 14 21:58:58 GeneralAntilles: while at it, maybe option to have/them by the side plskthx Jan 14 21:59:20 -> bugs.maemo.org Jan 14 21:59:27 I'd do two enhancement requests Jan 14 22:00:06 https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=820&group_id=200&func=browse Jan 14 22:00:08 oups Jan 14 22:00:09 GeneralAntilles: yeo Jan 14 22:00:29 :) Jan 14 22:00:32 yeo = yes Jan 14 22:00:37 defishguy: happens to some people ...find / file a bug and include your details Jan 14 22:01:08 sp3000: tx Jan 14 22:03:49 defishguy, it seems to be an issue with one or more of the akamai mirrors. Jan 14 22:03:57 tekonivel, that has been suggested before and I almost started implementing it Jan 14 22:04:51 tekonivel, I just haven't had motivation to work on the xterm lately Jan 14 22:05:19 GeneralAntilles: Do you have the ip of a mirror? Jan 14 22:07:50 8.14.56.80 Jan 14 22:07:53 That one works for me. Jan 14 22:23:24 anyone know of a shopping list app for the n800? Jan 14 22:29:14 <||cw> hd420: how is that different from a notepad? Jan 14 22:30:05 GeneralAntilles: fyi. I found the problem. I have a transparent proxy at home and disabling the proxy server opened things up nicely. Jan 14 22:30:13 ||cw, maybe little ticky boxes to mark off things you already bought? Jan 14 22:30:29 ||cw: it's more a spreadsheet than a notepad, mate Jan 14 22:30:57 <||cw> well, gnumeric is available... as is GPE-todo Jan 14 22:31:12 <||cw> I haven't noticed one specific for shopping though Jan 14 22:31:48 ||cw: is openoffice available? Jan 14 22:32:01 <||cw> OOo is far too fat Jan 14 22:32:43 <||cw> gnumeric is pretty good though Jan 14 22:43:05 hmmph Jan 14 22:47:53 maddler: found a way to turn it off - turn off the autocomplete under language settings Jan 14 22:49:57 ||cw: and abiword is just around the corner for os2008 Jan 14 22:55:48 time to go... Jan 14 22:55:51 c ya all Jan 14 23:09:08 what's the default password for user on the n800? Jan 14 23:09:23 none Jan 14 23:10:09 inz: sudo works just like that? Jan 14 23:10:28 hd, only for certain commands Jan 14 23:11:33 inz: i need to remove packages using apt-get Jan 14 23:11:56 barring that, if there's a way around using apt-get Jan 14 23:12:26 anybody know how to remap the back key on the n810 to the menu button? Jan 14 23:16:09 I found this: http://www.thisismobility.com/blog/2007/12/31/adding-pipe-and-tab-to-the-n810-keyboard/ with a comment by tajuma, but the key code is missing Jan 14 23:19:15 hmph Jan 14 23:26:11 jga23: you could use xev to find out keycodes. (menu is F4 btw). Jan 14 23:36:59 <|tbb|> anyone noticed, that the screen shut off, if u lock the keyboard and screen? But this only works when u have set both minutes to same value on brightness control. does this make sense Jan 14 23:39:24 no i didn't notice Jan 14 23:39:34 want me to test? Jan 14 23:40:03 <|tbb|> i would like to know whats the purpose of it Jan 14 23:40:48 can you tell me how to put n810 to sleep? with 770 i just put the cover on. Jan 14 23:40:52 You can edit the behaviour in /etc/mce/mce.ini Jan 14 23:41:02 lock it, or let it sit, pupnik. Jan 14 23:41:03 <|tbb|> first i was thinking its a bug cause i have installed abc from rm_you, but know i found out its the settings Jan 14 23:41:11 ok thanks GeneralAntilles Jan 14 23:41:40 |tbb|, the delays and timings and such are all editable in /etc/mce/mce.ini Jan 14 23:41:52 GeneralAntilles: with n810 i find that connecting to many sites in browser yields a long 'connecting....' wait Jan 14 23:42:10 in 770, when i had wlan, it connected to sites fast Jan 14 23:42:21 with 810 i sit and wait 30 seconds to connect to a webpage Jan 14 23:42:33 Could be the powersaving Jan 14 23:42:36 what router do you have? Jan 14 23:42:45 this was in a bar tonight Jan 14 23:42:59 clicking mnay times on a link seemed to speed it up Jan 14 23:43:16 i saw options to extend timeouts Jan 14 23:43:22 I'm inclined to blame it on the powersaving with a mediocre router. Jan 14 23:43:29 But, who knows. Jan 14 23:44:47 dmesg? :P Jan 14 23:45:19 ^ Jan 14 23:45:28 yeah well... the first thing i missed in my on-the-go n810 test was xchat Jan 14 23:45:44 irssi is doable with dpkg -i, pidgin SUCKS for irc... Jan 14 23:46:05 http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/ Jan 14 23:46:13 Pidgin sucks in general on the tablets. Jan 14 23:46:15 i like irssi on the n810 ;) Jan 14 23:46:15 cool Jan 14 23:46:30 jott, how do you switch servers - on PC it is alt-X Jan 14 23:46:53 it's ctrl-x here ..hmm Jan 14 23:47:03 oh? maybe i am insane Jan 14 23:47:35 anyway i'm thinking about mapping Chr to alt, as you just mention alt .. Jan 14 23:47:51 chr is useless anyway :) Jan 14 23:47:53 <|tbb|> when does changes take effect if i changed something in mce.ini Jan 14 23:48:22 reboot Jan 14 23:48:52 <|tbb|> reboot with ac plugged in also? Jan 14 23:49:12 No Jan 14 23:49:16 that wont restart x Jan 14 23:49:20 just reboot normally Jan 14 23:49:21 what is 'chr' for jott? Jan 14 23:49:30 i was thinking of mapping left shift Jan 14 23:49:43 the "Chr" key pops up an addional on-screen bar with extra keys Jan 14 23:49:45 <|tbb|> BlankImmediately=1, will fit in my needs ;) Jan 14 23:51:16 maybe one could put this to Fn+Chr ;) Jan 14 23:51:20 <|tbb|> damn, but then the slide out/in will not worked, the screen wake up but not shuts down then ;( Jan 14 23:52:53 Mmm . . . FreeCiv Jan 14 23:53:36 Nitro tha CiMien Jan 14 23:53:47 oh Chr is "Multi_key" Jan 14 23:54:31 joshin, stick to one channel when you're pirating. Jan 14 23:55:19 hmm... well my first test with the n810 on the town tonight was not successful. gorgeous women did not flock to me because of the n810 sexiness. Jan 14 23:55:24 Ummm, what are you seeing? I'm trying to send some XP drivers to someone in a different channel. Jan 14 23:55:47 Nitro tha CiMien Jan 14 23:56:05 Hahaha, pupnik. Jan 14 23:56:11 Bizarre. Jan 14 23:56:18 I'm having issues where everything... and I mean everything seems to crash on my n810 Jan 14 23:56:28 pupnik: she probably thought you would surf porn sites :P Jan 14 23:56:37 the mail client, pidgin, maps Jan 14 23:56:44 hachi, are you using virtual memory? Jan 14 23:56:47 they just silently close far too much Jan 14 23:56:52 Is your internal flash corrupted? Jan 14 23:56:52 no I'm not, does that actually help? Jan 14 23:57:06 the idea of using VM on flash scares the crap outta me :) Jan 14 23:57:16 Well corrupted flash + VM means lots of crashing. Jan 14 23:57:22 Eh, it's not very swappy. Jan 14 23:57:23 no VM Jan 14 23:57:25 So it hardly writes to the flash. Jan 14 23:57:36 Have you tried a restart? :P Jan 14 23:57:40 yeah Jan 14 23:58:01 this seemed to get worse with the update from last... friday? Jan 14 23:58:07 but I only had the device a few days before that Jan 14 23:58:10 so I don't know Jan 14 23:58:14 50-2? Jan 14 23:58:17 yeah Jan 14 23:58:23 It's older than that. Jan 14 23:58:52 fwiw, the built-in mail client is shit Jan 14 23:58:57 it is? the news I saw announcing it was the DAY that I started talking about it Jan 14 23:58:58 crashes a LOT Jan 14 23:59:04 modest is crashing too Jan 14 23:59:10 modest is in flux Jan 14 23:59:14 but what bothers me is that they silently shut down Jan 14 23:59:23 "Map" is also shit. Jan 14 23:59:37 syslog is really noisy, I'm gonna try to filter that down and log it to flash Jan 14 23:59:42 Pidgin I don't use because it's a rather poor solution on Hildon. Jan 15 00:00:17 defishwell arent we a great bunch of nokia fanboys! Jan 15 00:00:17 maybe pidgin is ok for IM Jan 15 00:00:21 yeah, but telepathy's non-purple xmpp connector doesn't support anything but SASL auth Jan 15 00:00:24 -defish Jan 15 00:00:26 for irc, it needs standard command line commands - /connect /join ... Jan 15 00:00:44 so I can't use the builtin IM client for 3 of the 3 xmpp networks I use Jan 15 00:01:07 hachi, did you file a bug? Jan 15 00:01:08 and yes, this is my own damned fault cause I'm the only active maintainer of the jabber server left, but still... I'm lazy :) Jan 15 00:01:26 no need to file a bug, it's my own fault Jan 15 00:02:35 Well, isn't it something it should support anyway? Jan 15 00:02:39 anyone give me reason why should boot of SD card? Jan 15 00:03:01 I don't know, they also have a libpurple connector, I should ask them if their plan is to switch to libpurple or not Jan 15 00:03:34 if I enable VM, does it use the MTD, the MMC or the SD card for VM? Jan 15 00:03:50 mardi_, having a backup that you can switch to easily is a good reason Jan 15 00:03:53 otherwise, there's not much point. Jan 15 00:04:06 hachi, I don't know on the N810. Jan 15 00:04:58 I see most of the guides tell you how to setup boot from 2GB SD card, mines a 4GB. What size partitions should I set for things, would you recomend? Jan 15 00:05:43 <|tbb|> i wonder why connection trough ssh to my n810 take so long, i mean that time before i can type the password, about 10 seconds Jan 15 00:06:32 It's weird like that every once and a while Jan 15 00:06:37 Reboot solves it for me. Jan 15 00:06:43 Only happens about once a month. Jan 15 00:07:12 <|tbb|> then your more lucky than me Jan 15 00:07:13 hachi: the internal mmc is used for swap, but you could also create a custom swap partition.. Jan 15 00:07:18 okay, what is the expect behavior with a bluetooth keyboard - there doesn't seem to be a menu option to connect to a BT keyboard like with the kbdd driver in OS2007? Jan 15 00:07:33 jott, that's fine, I just wasn't sure whether it was the mtd or the mmc Jan 15 00:07:44 I may create my own :) Jan 15 00:08:08 Initial pairing or general usage, ds3? Jan 15 00:08:16 GeneralAntilles: general usage Jan 15 00:08:32 it is pair, and it worked that time Jan 15 00:08:39 Type on the keyboard to wake it from sleep and either close it or let it idle for 3 minutes to disconnect. Jan 15 00:09:07 oh so I do not need to manually manage it? Jan 15 00:09:11 <|tbb|> ive noticed if im online but not much traffic goes through the wlan and then i try to ping to the router, it takes 3-4 seconds before i get response, if i try it again, seconds later it give me response in a hurry Jan 15 00:09:24 <|tbb|> is this powersave? Jan 15 00:09:26 No, ds3. Jan 15 00:09:37 |tbb|, shouldn't be. Jan 15 00:09:43 cool Jan 15 00:09:50 Could be if the router has poor powersaving support, though, I suppose. Jan 15 00:10:23 GeneralAntilles: what is the powersaving called, is there a spec or anything? Jan 15 00:10:32 Probably Jan 15 00:10:33 Dunno, though. Jan 15 00:10:37 does anyone know if a powered hub with a nokia charging attachment will actually charge the device? Jan 15 00:10:44 I run a custom AP and I haven't been able to figure out what the settings are related to... I figured it ws the becon interval mostly Jan 15 00:10:47 but I'm not sure Jan 15 00:12:32 that could be ARP delays Jan 15 00:12:40 How do you mean, lcuk_2? N800 <- USB-to-barrel -> Powered hub? Jan 15 00:12:51 n810 but yes Jan 15 00:12:56 Should Jan 15 00:13:01 cool Jan 15 00:13:06 It'll be a little slower than the wallwart Jan 15 00:13:07 but, yeah. Jan 15 00:13:26 as long as it goes up on average thats fine Jan 15 00:14:16 * lcuk_2 finds a plug near his desk Jan 15 00:15:05 the charger form nokia has a 980mA rating while an USB port has a maximum current of 500mA Jan 15 00:15:11 if i disconnect can some1 tell me because i cant see my screen and i will have got the wrong one Jan 15 00:15:22 it may be not healthy for your hub to charge an N8x0 Jan 15 00:15:24 ;) Jan 15 00:15:35 the hub is a £5 wonder horse Jan 15 00:15:49 i dun care about its health as long as it doesnt blow me up Jan 15 00:16:32 correction: the wall charger's rating is 890mA Jan 15 00:16:40 <|tbb|> GeneralAntilles: do you know how to control the backlight of the keyboard? Jan 15 00:16:41 Delio, the car chargers are rated for about 360mA Jan 15 00:16:41 i dont understand why we cant just charge from usb and be done with it Jan 15 00:16:46 is this going to turn into the modern version the mouse's revenge (where the home owner tries to burn a mouse but the flaming mouse runs in and burns down the house)? Jan 15 00:16:54 |tbb|, N810 specific stuff is not my field. ;) Jan 15 00:17:18 are you gettin one ant? Jan 15 00:17:22 lcuk_2, probably some complication with host-mode and the fact that USB doesn't provide nearly as much power as the barrel. Jan 15 00:17:24 Pfft Jan 15 00:17:26 GeneralAntilles: ah, interesting. OK then it should work Jan 15 00:17:27 the N810 is garbage Jan 15 00:17:51 Delio, and it does charge when it's plugged in in the car playing mp3s and doing GPS. Jan 15 00:18:06 * lcuk_2 was attracted by the shiney and now is hooking up a keyboard, you do the math Jan 15 00:18:07 There's no advantage over the N800. Jan 15 00:18:24 Just less storage and more cost. Jan 15 00:18:29 * GeneralAntilles wants his N900. Jan 15 00:19:00 * ds3 wishes for a more modern Z instead ;) Jan 15 00:19:23 charging 770 from various power sources including but not limited to several usb ports, 4x1.5V AA batteries, ..., bit on both sides of 5V and varying amperage hasn't hurt either the device or said power sources Jan 15 00:19:31 but perhaps n8xx are more picky Jan 15 00:19:52 i am happy about having a keyboard even if it is not perfect - i tried the onscreen one and would not be able to use it Jan 15 00:20:13 and i couldnt carry around a bt one Jan 15 00:20:41 why not carry around a BT kb? Jan 15 00:20:41 * lcuk_2 could still kill the guy who missed off the tab key Jan 15 00:22:28 <|tbb|> lcuk_2: tell me if you have found them, he should learn how to use shell Jan 15 00:22:43 lcuk_2, it's a matter of practice Jan 15 00:22:58 The onscreen thumbboard is actually very good once you get a feel for its quirks. Jan 15 00:23:11 I do about 35wpm on average Jan 15 00:23:39 i bet you do but it covers up most of the screen Jan 15 00:23:59 have you seen this strange one which shows through the screen and you type from the back Jan 15 00:24:04 not nokia btw Jan 15 00:24:11 Which is why I've been arguing for a transparency. Jan 15 00:25:23 since you know it so well could you cope with a fine layout on a transparent antiscratch cover Jan 15 00:25:49 as in the KB doesnt actually show up on screen you just bash where it should be as usual Jan 15 00:26:37 Can't touch type without separate keys. :P Jan 15 00:27:07 but your thumbs must have muscle memory Jan 15 00:28:21 Not without some sort of calibration. Jan 15 00:28:42 Which are the keys on a real keyboard or the screen on the N800. Jan 15 00:30:06 just a thought.. Jan 15 00:30:52 wheres the best place to put a shell script which i can just open term and run without specifying a path? Jan 15 00:31:18 or the inverse, how do i find the current path Jan 15 00:31:21 Well, you should add /usr/local/bin to the search path Jan 15 00:31:24 and search thing Jan 15 00:31:27 and stick stuff there Jan 15 00:31:31 or just use /usr/bin Jan 15 00:31:49 or ~/bin .. or PATH=$PATH:/whatever ;) Jan 15 00:32:00 /usr/local/bin - would that be just for my user or would it work if i ssh'ed in? Jan 15 00:32:13 (as root) Jan 15 00:32:35 if you extend the path in /etc/profile its global Jan 15 00:33:04 thanks ill take a look Jan 15 00:33:09 * lcuk_2 still has a lot to learn Jan 15 00:33:50 * jott throws a big and heavy linux/unix book at lcuk_2 Jan 15 00:34:13 <|tbb|> anyone else got this, keyboard blight goes out and not on anymore, before slidein/out the keyboard Jan 15 00:34:42 tbb - i get it flashing Jan 15 00:34:55 jott, thanks is that in fbreader format? Jan 15 00:35:55 lcuk_2: you'll probably find a good one (or at least could convert it) Jan 15 00:35:58 <|tbb|> lcuk_2: ? Jan 15 00:36:18 keyboard flashes at me if i catch it as its going off and i need to open close it Jan 15 00:36:30 timings for the backlight are awful Jan 15 00:37:28 <|tbb|> ah k Jan 15 00:38:31 there isnt a centralised power profile settings area for this device is there Jan 15 00:38:51 as in, screen, keyboard backlight, network connection even clock speed Jan 15 00:39:08 * lcuk_2 wonders if its hiding away Jan 15 00:41:40 The mildly funny thing about /usr/local is that it's stuff that the OS shouldn't touch during upgrades Jan 15 00:41:51 except we do all of our upgrades by writing over the rootfs. Jan 15 00:41:54 GeneralAntilles: what would you think of FN+Space = Tab? Jan 15 00:42:03 and one of the shift buttons = alt? Jan 15 00:42:19 Sounds fine to me, but I've only used the N810's keyboard once. Jan 15 00:42:21 so /usr/local should reside on yet another mtd partition }:-) Jan 15 00:42:21 i have Fn+Backspace=Tab Jan 15 00:42:29 pup - are you on 810 and have you considered the centre D pad Jan 15 00:42:31 works quite nice Jan 15 00:43:00 <|tbb|> fn+backspace shows desktop for me ;) Jan 15 00:44:54 is there actually some documentation (or reverse engineering) of the dsmesock stuff? Jan 15 00:49:59 <|tbb|> gnite everyone Jan 15 01:08:11 is there a way to kkill maemo_af_desktop without rebooting the device? Jan 15 01:12:03 Connect a bluetooth keyboard? Jan 15 01:12:34 when I ssh in and kill the maemo_af_desktop process, the system reboots Jan 15 01:13:55 That would be the hardware watchdog Jan 15 01:13:58 why do you want to kill it? Jan 15 01:15:08 because I don't want to ever see the desktop, trying to have the device open up, play a video and then go blank Jan 15 01:15:30 You'll have to disable the watchdog with the flasher Jan 15 01:15:39 but then you're about 10x more likely to brick your device. Jan 15 01:15:56 how so? can't I always yank out the battery? Jan 15 01:17:49 * lcuk_2 thinks thats very user friendly Jan 15 01:20:13 whos got host mode working on 8x0? and why would a keyboard work earlier but not now? ive checked everything i can out - host mode works, a usb mem stick operates directly, the hub works mem stick through there as well, the keyboard works, checked with this windows device. on 810 though now the caps lock light works only Jan 15 01:21:32 ive tried rebooting and changing back to host mode with the /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode script cos without it nothing works.. Jan 15 01:28:46 lcuk_2: it's not using a ps2-usb adapter is it? Jan 15 01:29:22 no, its a brand new (tho cheap) usb hub - the KB was working perfectly without it earlier tho Jan 15 01:29:38 it continued to work with it as well after i connected Jan 15 01:30:08 the N800 with OS2008 works with SDHC cards right? Jan 15 01:30:35 ahhh msh - no, its a direct 100% usb connection to the keyboard Jan 15 01:30:55 logitech barebones plainjane keyboard, no multimedia functions Jan 15 01:31:45 the one difference, earlier the caps lock light did not light but worked. now it lights when pressed but the rest of the board doesnt Jan 15 01:35:36 oh, neat, I can just open a new X session Jan 15 01:35:43 now, is there xsetbg compiled for the 770? Jan 15 01:39:48 hmmmmmmm i bashed the keys it rebooted - now its back on its working - i think the usb chip got a bit muddled Jan 15 01:48:56 xsetroot? anyone? Jan 15 01:53:35 why doesn't xsetroot actually change the color? Jan 15 01:53:41 uit flashes the screen and then it stays white Jan 15 02:07:01 in full sun will the n810 power down the backlight because it knows ahead of time that it can't handle driving it bright enough? Jan 15 02:07:14 I live in SF, haven't had a chance to test it in full sun yet :) Jan 15 02:08:22 O.o Jan 15 02:08:30 if you are anything like me then you will disable it before you get the chance (disable = putting a sticker over it because the changing brightness will annoy you) Jan 15 02:09:12 Is the weather in SF so crappy or you guys have boreal winter darkness at lower latitudes these days? ;-P Jan 15 02:10:21 nah, it's fine for me Jan 15 02:10:31 no, but we don't get full sun right now Jan 15 02:10:44 we get this... foggy/cloudy sun in the winter Jan 15 02:10:49 there will be a sunny day sometime here Jan 15 02:11:22 have you ever heard the joke "the coldest winter was a summer I spent in san francisco" ? Jan 15 02:11:24 * GeneralAntilles likes sun. Jan 15 02:11:25 :) Jan 15 02:11:56 First time I hear the joke, funny :) Jan 15 02:57:26 hi all, can't seem to get usb host mode working with os2008 on my n800... is it just a matter of 'echo host > /sys/devices/platform/musb/hdrc/mode' ? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Jan 15 02:59:57 2008