**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 17 02:59:56 2008 Jan 17 03:02:18 is there an easy way to change the volume from the command line in maemo (770)?? Jan 17 03:38:32 is there a calendar app ? Jan 17 03:38:38 for n810 ? Jan 17 03:38:52 gpe-calendar and pimlico dates Jan 17 03:38:55 saw this one guys devs a syncevolution thing Jan 17 03:39:01 k lets see Jan 17 03:39:48 sup peeps Jan 17 03:39:54 john got a repo mate ? Jan 17 03:40:05 googling shows a maze of comments Jan 17 03:40:23 * LinuxCode checks gronmayers site Jan 17 03:44:18 hope this cobb repo is up2date Jan 17 03:45:29 johnx: WISH ME LUCK Jan 17 03:45:32 lol Jan 17 03:45:40 rm_you, good luck! Jan 17 03:45:42 :P Jan 17 03:45:44 rm_you, what are you doing? Jan 17 03:45:46 brb (hopefully) Jan 17 03:45:49 yeh good luck Jan 17 03:45:50 rebooting... Jan 17 03:45:57 whatever it is... Jan 17 03:46:01 hope it works Jan 17 03:46:02 heh Jan 17 03:46:11 every time i install dmraid/mdadm on a FRESH gutsy install, it breaks it and kicks me to initramfs >_> Jan 17 03:46:25 sounds exciting Jan 17 03:46:32 wherein I *can* mount /dev/md0 :P Jan 17 03:46:36 but not my root drive >_< Jan 17 03:46:54 i think it's an update-initfs problem... Jan 17 03:46:57 though no idea really :P Jan 17 03:46:58 brb Jan 17 03:47:33 ohh testing maemo repo Jan 17 03:47:33 ]! Jan 17 03:55:35 wow evince! Jan 17 03:55:43 * LinuxCode goes install mad Jan 17 04:00:15 any idea when canola2 will be running in the n770? Jan 17 04:13:49 Gurney, the beta is on one of the reps Jan 17 04:13:54 i assume test Jan 17 04:13:58 for n810 Jan 17 04:15:19 test for n810 has a beta that works on the 770? that would be quite strange... Jan 17 04:15:37 checking into it anyway :) Jan 17 04:16:01 not sure it would Jan 17 04:16:07 its there though Jan 17 04:16:25 probably ed up with dep issues mind Jan 17 04:17:34 hmm good point Jan 17 04:21:18 * thoughtfix wanders back Jan 17 04:55:42 any1know when mame might be a tad more playable Jan 17 05:27:15 I wish Kagu could support the partial transparency aspect of PNG Jan 17 05:30:03 and I wish ARM emulation was faster :/ Jan 17 05:30:32 I wish I had a million dollars. Jan 17 05:31:29 yeah, that'd be nice too Jan 17 05:32:09 really, with a million dollars I could probably figure out a way to get faster ARM emulation... Jan 17 05:32:33 Screw faster emulation Jan 17 05:32:35 Gimme faster CPUs! Jan 17 05:33:06 that's what I was thinking really :) Jan 17 05:33:16 I didn't say I cared how efficient it was, just faster Jan 17 05:33:43 still, compiling in qemu on an Athon 64 is much nicer than on a Zaurus Jan 17 05:33:55 Heck, why not just weld an ARM CPU to your mobo with that kind of money. ;) Jan 17 05:34:50 because I think once you get into the faster Intel and AMD processors they can probably emulate an ARM processor faster than any ARM could run in reality :) Jan 17 05:35:17 Well, if you dropped the power and heat ceilings on the ARM CPU . . . Jan 17 05:35:21 money ...free money ? where ? Jan 17 05:35:26 ;-p Jan 17 05:35:41 That dark alley over there, LinuxCode. Jan 17 05:35:45 hahah Jan 17 05:35:53 I dont want to be touched by you mate Jan 17 05:35:56 Im innocent Jan 17 05:36:00 I want it to stay that way Jan 17 05:36:01 lol Jan 17 05:36:03 ;-p Jan 17 05:36:25 meh the x terminal just died on me haha Jan 17 05:36:35 ahh Jan 17 05:36:36 better Jan 17 06:18:28 mornink Jan 17 06:19:15 Evenink. Jan 17 06:20:03 * czr fixes derf's timezone Jan 17 06:20:34 ah the wonders of IRC time :) Jan 17 06:20:49 indeed. Jan 17 06:21:38 hey czr Jan 17 06:21:50 6:21 am Jan 17 06:21:56 the joys of being up all night lol Jan 17 06:22:13 heh. I managed finally to break the jetlag \o/ Jan 17 06:22:17 any of you got a good gpesyncd help/how to ? Jan 17 06:22:26 I guess sleeping for only 1.5 hours last night did the trick Jan 17 06:22:31 I checked opensync's site Jan 17 06:22:37 czr, lol Jan 17 06:22:39 harsh Jan 17 06:22:50 it was really annoying for many days already now. Jan 17 06:23:01 I woke up at about the time when all people were already leaving the office Jan 17 06:23:05 I know the feeling Jan 17 06:23:15 but with me its always self-inflicted Jan 17 06:23:28 I don't have the luxury unfortunately :-) Jan 17 06:25:06 installed gpe Jan 17 06:25:11 I like Jan 17 06:25:27 exactly what the basic N810 default was missing Jan 17 06:25:40 a to do list, calendar app, etc.. thats syncable Jan 17 06:25:46 if I can get the sync to work that is Jan 17 06:26:05 I've yet to play with gpe though Jan 17 06:26:10 maybe I will eventually Jan 17 06:26:21 I quite happy today Jan 17 06:26:42 did all that + found the issue why my usb bluetooth stick wouldnt work Jan 17 06:26:50 so fixed that too Jan 17 06:27:04 the stick was too dirty? Jan 17 06:27:17 it sent the wrong color teeth over the air? Jan 17 06:27:24 no.... a kernel module was loaded which was unrelated...and blocked the usb bt module from working Jan 17 06:27:34 had to blacklist it Jan 17 06:27:35 oh, that's nice :-) Jan 17 06:27:50 made a post on the web... on that linuxcompatability site Jan 17 06:28:00 so other people could pick that up Jan 17 06:28:06 since google did nothing for me Jan 17 06:28:28 good good. Jan 17 06:35:25 * jsmith-away wanders away... Jan 17 06:35:43 the N8x0 need a iptables frontend Jan 17 06:42:44 why is that? Jan 17 06:42:58 because the default policies are set to accept Jan 17 06:42:59 ;-p Jan 17 06:44:41 LinuxCode: http://www.fwbuilder.org/ Jan 17 06:45:02 I know blassey Jan 17 06:45:05 blast007, Jan 17 06:45:10 needs compiling Jan 17 06:45:18 I havent got the sdk up yet Jan 17 06:45:26 k Jan 17 06:45:30 need to learn deb package management Jan 17 06:45:32 too Jan 17 06:45:38 btw anyone have a good how to on it ? Jan 17 06:45:46 im only familiar with spec files Jan 17 06:48:44 LinuxCode: it s a bit more complicate than a .spec files. Jan 17 06:48:53 it is ? Jan 17 06:48:55 meh Jan 17 06:49:06 not _that much_ :) Jan 17 06:49:13 does it use macros too ? Jan 17 06:49:37 may be, never meet any, nor do i have a ~/.debmacro of some sort. Jan 17 06:50:11 LinuxCode: http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/creating_a_debian_package.html Jan 17 06:50:18 wiii Jan 17 06:50:26 thanks mate Jan 17 06:50:30 * LinuxCode bookmarks Jan 17 06:50:33 that s just a beginning :) Jan 17 06:50:40 melmoth, no kidding haha Jan 17 06:50:50 Im already spending way too much of my time on this Jan 17 06:50:50 LinuxCode: is your app in python ? becuase there s some easy way to packaeg python Jan 17 06:51:02 no app mate.. Jan 17 06:51:12 but I want to compile stuff for N810 Jan 17 06:51:17 and package stuff Jan 17 06:51:24 im looking at amsn atm Jan 17 06:51:27 needs tcl Jan 17 06:51:40 and tkinter Jan 17 06:52:02 you should steal most of Debian's package for that :) Jan 17 06:52:11 Indeed. Jan 17 06:52:18 then you'll just have a couple little things to fix, and all the deps will be laid out for you Jan 17 06:52:42 LinuxCode, http://packages.debian.org <- check there first before making your own package Jan 17 06:52:45 Most library, i just "apt-get source" in debian or ubuntu, then try a "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" in scratchbox Jan 17 06:53:06 john ok Jan 17 06:53:06 if it needs deps try using mud-builder Jan 17 06:54:17 johnx, fix stuff like what ? Jan 17 06:54:24 what goes wrong usuall ? Jan 17 06:55:07 +y Jan 17 06:55:56 dependencies usually Jan 17 06:56:05 k Jan 17 06:56:12 I can live with that Jan 17 06:56:13 haha Jan 17 06:56:22 I was getting worried there for a moment Jan 17 06:56:25 ;-p Jan 17 06:56:38 mmm...and simple stuff in postinst scripts Jan 17 06:56:44 "normally small pink dragons come from the device and eat the left pinky of the developer who is porting the software" Jan 17 06:56:48 this is what you expected? ;-) Jan 17 06:56:54 bahahah Jan 17 06:57:01 Id prefer hot bunnies mate Jan 17 06:57:06 can I have my wish ? Jan 17 06:57:07 hahaha Jan 17 06:57:09 ;-DDDDDDD Jan 17 06:57:22 hot bunnies are reserved for windows developers. they need them. Jan 17 06:58:09 NO THATS A LIE Jan 17 06:58:15 you must be BILL GATES Jan 17 06:58:16 I never lie Jan 17 06:58:17 DIE! Jan 17 06:58:18 lol Jan 17 06:58:20 I might embellish "some" Jan 17 06:58:24 traitor... Jan 17 06:58:26 lol Jan 17 06:58:27 what I meant was Jan 17 06:58:34 that their life is so bleak anyway Jan 17 06:58:36 * LinuxCode pokes czr Jan 17 06:58:41 haha Jan 17 06:58:42 that the hot bunnies are the only things that keep them going Jan 17 06:58:45 might have a point there Jan 17 06:58:56 they can have the semi-hot bunnies Jan 17 06:59:00 * czr turns into a silly two-plane C64 sprite and starts bouncing around Jan 17 06:59:03 damn you pokers! Jan 17 06:59:10 semi-hot bunnies for semi-useful product Jan 17 06:59:23 designers Jan 17 06:59:28 semi as in after the requisite number of beers kind of semi? Jan 17 06:59:59 hehe Jan 17 07:00:17 * johnx is confused O_o Jan 17 07:00:32 johnx, me too...however im over tired Jan 17 07:00:37 Im confusing myself lol Jan 17 07:00:49 ah, so I'm in good company :D Jan 17 07:03:34 def Jan 17 07:03:36 ;-D Jan 17 07:04:23 you guys know what gpesynd uses ? Jan 17 07:04:26 syncml ? Jan 17 07:05:26 nevermind Jan 17 07:05:32 searched for opensync packages Jan 17 07:05:34 gpe Jan 17 07:06:22 it seems that there's no bluetooth synchronization yet Jan 17 07:08:35 wii it works Jan 17 07:08:59 now whats the pass Jan 17 07:09:00 lol Jan 17 07:09:06 * czr leaves for office. later guys & girls & bunnies Jan 17 07:09:17 later mate Jan 17 07:11:24 anyone know where the pass is set for gpe ? Jan 17 07:12:57 No idea Jan 17 07:13:39 But gpe related q: the import feature in gpe calendar, what file fomat does it take? Jan 17 07:14:02 vc files Jan 17 07:14:03 Want to try to make it synch with the school schedule online somehow Jan 17 07:14:06 Prob lost cause Jan 17 07:14:17 Vc? Isnt that contacts? Jan 17 07:14:21 yes Jan 17 07:14:27 vcf vct etc.. Jan 17 07:14:38 :/ Jan 17 07:14:45 vcards,vevent etc.. Jan 17 07:14:50 The calendar, not gpe contacs Jan 17 07:15:02 vecent i believe Jan 17 07:15:05 event Jan 17 07:15:15 Ah Jan 17 07:15:17 Thx Jan 17 07:15:20 np Jan 17 07:15:24 theres vtodo too Jan 17 07:16:00 I thought it could cope with ical/vcal stuff too Jan 17 07:16:06 not 100% sure though Jan 17 07:17:20 ohh it uses ssh ?!?! Jan 17 07:17:23 odd Jan 17 07:17:38 weird Jan 17 07:17:46 now whats my username and pass though lol Jan 17 07:18:06 user lol Jan 17 07:18:12 how original Jan 17 07:18:44 user/user? Jan 17 07:21:52 yeh its asking me for it Jan 17 07:27:14 http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/DSC00064.jpg Jan 17 07:27:19 School ftw Jan 17 07:28:17 wow Jan 17 07:28:21 a little overkill? Jan 17 07:28:39 Nah ^_^ good to be a geek Jan 17 07:29:15 Cptn-N800, you plugged a keybaord in ? Jan 17 07:29:18 haha Jan 17 07:29:20 thats cool Jan 17 07:29:30 did ya have to set it into host mode ? Jan 17 07:29:36 Linuxcode, yes Jan 17 07:29:45 Made a auto-host cable Jan 17 07:30:02 its syncing guys Jan 17 07:30:11 And bought a small KB. Waiting for iGo Jan 17 07:30:11 I hope setting a password doesnt lock me ouy Jan 17 07:31:00 Cptn-N800, sounds nice Jan 17 07:31:04 could use a bt keybaord Jan 17 07:31:11 Not sure about battery drain yet Jan 17 07:31:13 probably draw as much power Jan 17 07:31:15 ;-p Jan 17 07:31:35 Igo is bt, ordered one the other day. Think bt uses less than usb, has its own power Jan 17 07:31:38 I have the funny feeling this wlan AP is messed up Jan 17 07:31:47 exactlymate Jan 17 07:31:51 let me know how it goes Jan 17 07:32:18 Also have a 16GB card on the way ^^ 24gb here i come Jan 17 07:32:19 but then I have got a N810 Jan 17 07:32:27 16GB ?!?! Jan 17 07:32:30 woah Jan 17 07:32:32 Sdhc card Jan 17 07:32:38 + 8 i got now Jan 17 07:32:42 noooooo sync failed Jan 17 07:32:45 = 24 Jan 17 07:32:47 bollox Jan 17 07:32:49 why! Jan 17 07:32:55 :/ Jan 17 07:33:05 Cptn-N800, ohh you mean 3* 8gb ? Jan 17 07:33:11 or a 16Gb single ? Jan 17 07:33:28 16gb + 8gb Jan 17 07:33:42 and 16GB works ? Jan 17 07:33:51 I thought they said 8GB was max ? Jan 17 07:33:54 16gb sdhc is 75 dollars shipped on newegg, know a guy in the us Jan 17 07:34:00 Nah 16gb adata works Jan 17 07:34:01 wtf Jan 17 07:34:06 Says itt Jan 17 07:34:06 75 usd! Jan 17 07:34:10 wtf Jan 17 07:34:13 bastids Jan 17 07:34:18 Lol Jan 17 07:34:22 get him to send too Jan 17 07:34:23 two Jan 17 07:34:27 I buy it off you Jan 17 07:34:30 Guess ill find out if it wokrs Jan 17 07:34:34 yay it synced Jan 17 07:34:37 I think Jan 17 07:34:42 saus conflicts solved Jan 17 07:35:01 Paid 100 bucks all in all, covering shipping here Jan 17 07:35:03 yayyyyyy Jan 17 07:35:08 * LinuxCode dances Jan 17 07:35:11 yayayayayayaya Jan 17 07:35:20 * LinuxCode grooves left and right Jan 17 07:35:29 16gb cards arent tht expensiveother places either Jan 17 07:36:12 you dont know the UK mate Jan 17 07:36:14 lol Jan 17 07:36:26 aka rip off Britain Jan 17 07:36:51 I live in norway, thats worse Jan 17 07:37:10 Did u see the 18 gbp igo deal? Jan 17 07:37:30 no ? Jan 17 07:37:40 show me Jan 17 07:37:41 NOW Jan 17 07:37:43 lol Jan 17 07:37:53 Mymemory.co.uk, igo stowaway bt KB for 18 gbp Jan 17 07:38:42 * LinuxCode looks Jan 17 07:38:50 http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/3583118/-/Product.html?searchstring=16gb+sdhc&searchsource=0 60GBP shipped for 16gb sdhc...notthat bad :P Jan 17 07:39:05 wow thats where I got my N810 from Jan 17 07:39:15 but will it work Jan 17 07:39:19 I let you find out mate Jan 17 07:39:20 Dunno Jan 17 07:39:22 if thats ok Jan 17 07:39:24 ;-p Jan 17 07:39:36 let me know Jan 17 07:39:39 Id appreciate it Jan 17 07:39:43 Well the adaa (newegg) might work even if that dont Jan 17 07:39:49 Adata Jan 17 07:39:56 I've got an adata 16GB Jan 17 07:39:58 works great Jan 17 07:40:01 I am willing to take that chance Jan 17 07:40:08 GeneralAntilles, seriously ? Jan 17 07:40:11 play.com branded SDHC? Jan 17 07:40:12 <_< Jan 17 07:40:13 Yeah Jan 17 07:40:22 An 8GB and a 16GB Jan 17 07:40:23 ^^ Jan 17 07:40:31 well if they are sdhc capable Jan 17 07:40:38 only issue i see is the fs Jan 17 07:40:42 Sdhc is sdhc, i think Jan 17 07:40:45 The Nokia or the card? Jan 17 07:40:46 however fat16 goes up to 32gb or ? Jan 17 07:40:52 SD only goes up to 4GB Jan 17 07:40:54 Yes 32 Jan 17 07:40:57 2GB in the spec Jan 17 07:41:02 should be ok then Jan 17 07:41:04 yeh Jan 17 07:41:04 SDHC goes up to 2048GB Jan 17 07:41:11 I use a 4gb sd, not sdhc, works Jan 17 07:41:12 N810 supports it Jan 17 07:41:12 If it's over 4GB it's SDHc. Jan 17 07:41:13 Period. Jan 17 07:41:43 meh its a SD card Jan 17 07:41:48 full size ;-| Jan 17 07:41:52 N810's 10gb lmit (ATM) is the worst dealbreaker ever Jan 17 07:41:55 N810 cant handle that Jan 17 07:42:03 ;-[ Jan 17 07:42:03 miniSD sucks Jan 17 07:42:07 thusly, the N810 sucks. Jan 17 07:42:15 Agreed Jan 17 07:42:34 I'm going to be sad when they announce the N900 with a single MiniSD slot. Jan 17 07:42:35 And the 810 kb is to small to be useful >.> Jan 17 07:42:39 agreed..sadly ;-[ Jan 17 07:43:06 the kb is ok actually Jan 17 07:43:09 I was amazed Jan 17 07:43:13 They N800's thumbboard works great for me. Jan 17 07:43:37 Me tooo, and i got this kb for school and soon a iGo Jan 17 07:43:37 if you get the stand out Jan 17 07:43:52 it wont slip out easy either Jan 17 07:44:32 810 with 4 sdhc slots instead of kb ^^ Jan 17 07:44:44 Hehe Jan 17 07:44:51 I could go for an N900 with twin miniSD slots. Jan 17 07:45:03 But a single slot is unacceptable. Jan 17 07:45:31 Minisd isnt above 6gb atm i think Jan 17 07:46:18 sweet Jan 17 07:46:24 im well chuffed now Jan 17 07:46:37 Cptn-N800, 8gb Jan 17 07:46:42 im getting one Jan 17 07:46:44 £39 Jan 17 07:46:54 16GB miniSD cards have been announced. Jan 17 07:47:05 hmm but how much ... ? Jan 17 07:47:07 ;-[ Jan 17 07:47:26 as long as I can take a few ebooks with me im ok Jan 17 07:48:04 Microsdhc andadapter is only way of 8gb Jan 17 07:48:04 Iirc Jan 17 07:48:12 Meh Jan 17 07:48:21 Books is what psp is for D Jan 17 07:48:30 ^^ Jan 17 07:48:43 but the N8x0 has such a nice high res screen Jan 17 07:48:48 The bad part is that the OMAP3430 can do 720p Jan 17 07:48:54 psp ? Jan 17 07:48:58 If they saddle that with no storage . . . Jan 17 07:49:13 johnx, same as N800 or ? Jan 17 07:49:17 ohh Jan 17 07:49:20 sorry yeh Jan 17 07:49:25 I looked at the n800 Jan 17 07:49:26 Psp + windshield mount on nightstand + wired remote is the best book ever Jan 17 07:49:30 was well impressed Jan 17 07:49:45 portable play station ? Jan 17 07:49:47 GeneralAntilles, then you still won't have the guts to decode it? Jan 17 07:49:56 Huh? Jan 17 07:50:13 HD video on an ARM? Jan 17 07:50:22 haha Jan 17 07:50:35 Playstaion portabl e= PSP Jan 17 07:50:45 Cptn-N800, k Jan 17 07:50:49 just checking Jan 17 07:51:09 Yeah, HD on an ARM. Jan 17 07:51:27 No LCD controller bottleneck, either. Jan 17 07:51:31 morning lcuk Jan 17 07:51:31 yeah, somehow I don't see it happening Jan 17 07:51:37 Why not? Jan 17 07:51:42 CPU power Jan 17 07:52:00 Psp book setup: http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/03-6.jpg Jan 17 07:52:04 I mean, just the memory bandwidth alone. Jan 17 07:52:12 Uh, that's why the OMAP3 supports 720p Jan 17 07:52:30 http://www.cybertheater.com/texas-instruments-omap3430-supports-720p-hd-on-mobile-phones/ Jan 17 07:52:42 a 1st gen P4 @ 2.0GHz has big issues with HD video in anything but MPEG2 format Jan 17 07:52:55 It's a SoC, johnx. Jan 17 07:53:05 There's a hardware decoder on there. :) Jan 17 07:54:01 I'll be somewhat surprised if there's a good way to utilize that under Linux Jan 17 07:54:30 I'll believe it when I see it, but I'm not holding my breath Jan 17 07:55:01 meh cant one lock the applets on a n810 ? Jan 17 07:55:10 Well, the only reason we don't have it with the OMAP2420 NOW is because of the groady LCD controller. Jan 17 07:55:15 No, LinuxCode. Jan 17 07:55:22 bleh Jan 17 07:55:22 There's a bug on bugzilla. Jan 17 07:55:23 Go vote it. Jan 17 07:55:25 that sucks Jan 17 07:56:02 GeneralAntilles, the LCD controller is the most obvious bottleneck, but 640x480 is pushing the decoding ability of the ARM core Jan 17 07:56:10 Probems with curious firneds using your n810? Jan 17 07:56:16 That's why there's a hardware decoder. . . . Jan 17 07:56:35 Friends* Jan 17 07:56:51 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=11990&contentId=4671 Jan 17 07:56:52 See that Jan 17 07:57:14 yeah, I believe you Jan 17 07:57:27 hrmm.. the bar that shows abc/fn in n810 wastes quite a lot of space... Jan 17 07:57:35 Cptn-N800, black on white? <_< Jan 17 07:57:42 just like my geforce 6600 supports hardware decoding...except oh, wait nvidia never got around to it for Linux. Jan 17 07:58:10 MontaVista has drivers for the OMAP stuff. Jan 17 07:58:32 not open though Jan 17 07:58:35 Right Jan 17 07:58:43 Which is why Nokia is going to pay for them for us. ;) Jan 17 07:58:43 and what a gerat xterm this has.. you can change the background colour, but not the foreground... =) Jan 17 07:58:46 There's no way they wont. Jan 17 07:58:53 Can, too, dpb_. Jan 17 07:58:59 how? Jan 17 07:59:04 Look at the settings. Jan 17 07:59:08 not from the settings Jan 17 07:59:14 Yes you can. Jan 17 07:59:22 there's only background there Jan 17 07:59:22 Generalantilles, black on white what? Jan 17 07:59:23 GeneralAntilles, don't pin hopes on Nokia licensing things for us or being smart about open source Jan 17 07:59:42 dpb_, look a little closer. Jan 17 07:59:49 Text on the PSP, Cptn-N800. Jan 17 07:59:51 i just looked. Jan 17 07:59:57 Look a little harder . . . . Jan 17 08:00:04 Ah, yes Jan 17 08:00:04 Maybe tap a button or two. Jan 17 08:00:05 dpb_, it's there Jan 17 08:00:12 What with that? Jan 17 08:00:17 not on mine. Jan 17 08:00:29 dpb_, did you tap a button or two? Jan 17 08:00:30 dpb_, c'mon, really. Jan 17 08:01:27 Can you change the background and text color of gpe summary? Jan 17 08:03:13 oh, it's in the FONTS setting, should have just said so... Jan 17 08:03:32 dpb, where's the fun in that? Jan 17 08:04:15 hi there Jan 17 08:04:17 any diffutils package for OS2008? Jan 17 08:04:26 is summary the timesheet ? Jan 17 08:04:39 Now you've learned to check settings more thoroughly in the future, dpb_. ;) Jan 17 08:05:10 wwp, http://www.gronmayer.com/it/ Jan 17 08:05:12 naw. :P Jan 17 08:06:15 LinuxCode: gronmayer is already in my sources list, can't find diffutils Jan 17 08:06:28 guess not then ;-] Jan 17 08:06:43 :\ Jan 17 08:07:11 I'm stuck w/ the application manager, in which every download will fail Jan 17 08:07:26 Logs? Jan 17 08:07:29 the funniest thing is that packages installation works in command-line using apt-get Jan 17 08:07:37 but I don't know how to see a list of available packages Jan 17 08:07:47 dpkg -l Jan 17 08:07:56 ohh available ? Jan 17 08:08:02 hi GeneralAntilles (I remember you from the forums) Jan 17 08:08:07 Howdy Jan 17 08:08:13 yes, a list of avail. packages like in the app manager Jan 17 08:08:17 :) Jan 17 08:08:19 * LinuxCode is more a yum person Jan 17 08:08:24 http://www.ccl.net/cca/software/UNIX/updating-redhat/apt-howto/how-to-use-apt-cache.html Jan 17 08:08:27 cant recall the other Jan 17 08:08:34 apt-cache something Jan 17 08:08:38 i assume Jan 17 08:08:49 ahhh\ Jan 17 08:08:56 good idea to look at the logs Jan 17 08:09:07 the d/l fetch failed 'cause mmc2 is in R-O mode Jan 17 08:09:12 holy shit Jan 17 08:09:15 There you go. Jan 17 08:09:24 It's corrupted Jan 17 08:09:25 format it. Jan 17 08:09:26 this reminds me smth from the forum too! Jan 17 08:09:32 corrupted? wow. Jan 17 08:09:46 would be nice to know what corrupted it Jan 17 08:10:01 Could be anything Jan 17 08:10:01 or this might happen again and again, no? Jan 17 08:10:09 Do you put it in a card reader? Jan 17 08:10:15 Or plug in via USB? Jan 17 08:10:24 and forget to unmount ? Jan 17 08:10:26 Has something crashed during a write? Jan 17 08:10:39 LinuxCode, you can corrupt it even when it's unmounted. Jan 17 08:10:44 mmc2 is the internal one Jan 17 08:10:47 im sure Jan 17 08:10:49 and it's N810 Jan 17 08:10:54 Ah, right. Jan 17 08:10:58 ohh dear Jan 17 08:11:00 Something crashed during a write, then. Jan 17 08:11:00 but, mount -o remount,rw /media/mmc2 did it Jan 17 08:11:15 Card readers have a buffer Jan 17 08:11:24 so even if it's no longer mounted by the OS Jan 17 08:11:29 the card reader may still be writing Jan 17 08:11:32 possible, I had several app crashing once Jan 17 08:11:32 didnt know that Jan 17 08:11:43 interesting Jan 17 08:11:54 but the device rebooted several time since Jan 17 08:12:25 in the n810, mmc2 is a card?? Jan 17 08:12:26 If the hardware watchdog steps in, that could've done it, too. Jan 17 08:12:34 More or less, wwp. Jan 17 08:12:45 ahh now, it works in the app manager! Jan 17 08:12:48 It's just soldered to the board rather than being in its own little plastic case. Jan 17 08:12:50 w/ just a remount Jan 17 08:13:06 strange Jan 17 08:13:12 Which is a really stupid plan to me considering the life of flash memory. Jan 17 08:13:19 I'll reboot to see if mmc2 is always mounted as ro at startup Jan 17 08:14:00 this app manager is not smart, it allows installing duplicates in sources list ;) Jan 17 08:14:07 GeneralAntilles: true Jan 17 08:14:23 I've already plugged a mmc1 ;) Jan 17 08:14:26 GeneralAntilles, agreed Jan 17 08:14:30 which is not compliant to the specs (it's a miniSD 4GB) Jan 17 08:14:32 works well Jan 17 08:14:40 ? Jan 17 08:14:45 it supports 8 gb Jan 17 08:14:58 hm? Jan 17 08:15:04 some sites claim 10 Jan 17 08:15:05 no, SDHC is up to 8GB Jan 17 08:15:06 SD is up to 2GB according to n810 specs Jan 17 08:15:14 not mini sd Jan 17 08:15:19 SDHC is up to 2048GB Jan 17 08:15:21 all sizes might work, I presume Jan 17 08:15:28 heh...don't they let you swap to the internal memory, on an N810? Jan 17 08:15:30 SD spec says 2GB Jan 17 08:15:37 johnx, yes mate Jan 17 08:15:39 There are tons of 4GB SD cards, though. Jan 17 08:15:46 as usually, nokia says it's up to N because at the time they edit the specs, there's nothing more than N Jan 17 08:15:46 128+128mb Jan 17 08:15:57 johnx, I wouldn't do that Jan 17 08:16:07 Yeah, johnx, but ITOS's vm isn't very swappy. Jan 17 08:16:08 johnx, youcan enable it Jan 17 08:16:38 Swapping has been around since the 770 days Jan 17 08:16:43 and I've yet to burn out a card Jan 17 08:16:44 johnx, swapping on a non-replaceable flash doesn't sound too nice Jan 17 08:16:55 hm, my mmc2 always mounts as ro, strange Jan 17 08:17:02 General, sure, it wears out slowly, but it does Jan 17 08:17:02 It's corrupted, wwp. Jan 17 08:17:37 Balancing the life of the device against the life of the flash, with the multitasking gains . . . Jan 17 08:18:05 [ 50.750000] FAT: Filesystem panic (dev mmcblk1p1) Jan 17 08:18:05 [ 50.750000] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 0) Jan 17 08:18:05 [ 50.750000] File system has been set read-only Jan 17 08:18:24 [ 51.437500] JFFS2 warning: (1259) jffs2_sum_write_sumnode: Not enough space for summary, padsize = -786 Jan 17 08:18:29 nice :) Jan 17 08:19:05 aren't there fat tools to fix fats? Jan 17 08:19:56 like fsck.vfat Jan 17 08:20:51 ahh yes Jan 17 08:27:38 I owned the N800 for just over a year, in all that time not a single package was updated. Were the packages being updated without my knowledge or does Nokia just not use the apt mechanism? Jan 17 08:29:30 sgbirch, uh, OS updates are done through FIASCO images Jan 17 08:29:35 Firmware flashing. Jan 17 08:30:09 You "can" do some updates via apt, but it can (and most likely will) break things Jan 17 08:30:12 GeneralAntilles: But shouldnt the applications be upgraded as bug fixes are released? Jan 17 08:30:26 3rd-party stuff, yes. Jan 17 08:30:37 The internal applications don't have bugs ;) Jan 17 08:30:43 GeneralAntilles: FYI, I could fix the fat fs Jan 17 08:30:43 ^ of course. Jan 17 08:30:49 w/o reformatting indeed Jan 17 08:30:56 GeneralAntilles: Yeah sure ... no bugs Jan 17 08:30:58 now the internal card does auto mount as rw Jan 17 08:31:11 Good job, wwp. Jan 17 08:31:22 GeneralAntilles: You HAVE to be kidding. Is it closed source? I cant understand why the community hasnt cleaned them up Jan 17 08:31:26 sgbirch, how did you own an N800 for a year and not understand how the update system worked? Jan 17 08:31:29 :D Jan 17 08:31:33 wwp, how did you fix it ? Jan 17 08:31:49 just in case i mess it up too Jan 17 08:31:53 GeneralAntilles: I dont use it very often. Actually, the promise was greater than the reality. Jan 17 08:32:00 wwp, it's easier for me to tell people to reformat than go through the trouble of checking the fs. ;) Jan 17 08:32:02 fsck ? Jan 17 08:32:07 What promise, sgbirch? Jan 17 08:32:11 GeneralAntilles: But I am hooked on Debian in my pocket so I also bought an N810 Jan 17 08:32:15 LinuxCode: booted the n810 in usb mode, plugged to my laptop. fsck.vfat -a on the internal storage Jan 17 08:32:16 and, seriously, if you're still running the original OS. . . . Jan 17 08:32:22 GeneralAntilles: I see :) Jan 17 08:32:34 GeneralAntilles: I thought it would be more like the Ubuntu experience, a ton of applications all installable using apt-get Jan 17 08:32:38 usb mode ? Jan 17 08:32:48 LinuxCode: is has found some broken fat entries, a directory in where I did intensive read/write operations Jan 17 08:32:49 Er, that's more or less how it is. Jan 17 08:32:59 There are just a lot of repositories. Jan 17 08:33:10 sgbirch, that certainly wasn't "promised" in any case. Jan 17 08:33:30 sgbirch, start packaging then Jan 17 08:33:32 lol Jan 17 08:33:37 LinuxCode: connect your nxxx device to another system using the usb wire. press&hold the center button and turn on the nxxx Jan 17 08:33:45 GeneralAntilles: That is an interesting point. Jan 17 08:33:46 aha! Jan 17 08:33:48 cheers Jan 17 08:33:51 * LinuxCode makes note Jan 17 08:33:58 LinuxCode: while it's starting you can release the center button Jan 17 08:34:03 GeneralAntilles: I looked at the maemo site but couldnt really find my away around Jan 17 08:34:08 i'm booting from SD (mmc2) and EVERY TIME i fsck it after a week, it foud some errors to fix... Jan 17 08:34:11 found* Jan 17 08:34:15 LinuxCode: I found this on .. well somewhere on the net Jan 17 08:34:23 GeneralAntilles: Suppose I did start packaging, where would I go to release the packages? Jan 17 08:34:25 maemo.org is really directed at devs. Jan 17 08:34:31 garage.maemo.org Jan 17 08:34:34 L0cutus: n800? Jan 17 08:34:49 GeneralAntilles: I am comfortable with debian packages so am interested in helping Jan 17 08:35:00 wwp, yes Jan 17 08:35:05 sgbirch, grab the vmware dsk Jan 17 08:35:07 sdk Jan 17 08:35:12 funny that the internal storage in the n810 is mmc2, mmc1 is the free miniSD slot :) Jan 17 08:35:17 then all ya have to do is package up Jan 17 08:35:22 I presume in the n800, mmc1 and mmc2 are free slots? Jan 17 08:35:23 Same way it is on the N800, wwp. Jan 17 08:35:27 LinuxCode: what? a vmware sdk?? Jan 17 08:35:30 wwp, as in n800 Jan 17 08:35:31 yes Jan 17 08:35:34 LinuxCode: where! Jan 17 08:35:37 Which evolved from the way it was on the 770. Jan 17 08:35:40 google vmware maemo sdk Jan 17 08:35:44 GeneralAntilles: OK ... I am at garage.maemo.org Jan 17 08:35:55 Register for an account, then go install the SDK. Jan 17 08:36:06 * wwp rushes Jan 17 08:36:08 http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/ Jan 17 08:36:20 GeneralAntilles: Quick aside before I go on. Was there an update for the n810 just released? Jan 17 08:36:27 50-2 Jan 17 08:36:31 LinuxCode: thx! Jan 17 08:36:32 For both the N800 and the N810. Jan 17 08:36:37 wwp, please Jan 17 08:36:40 pleasure Jan 17 08:36:45 thank whoever told me yesterday Jan 17 08:36:55 GeneralAntilles: I dont do windoes, can I flash from Linux? Jan 17 08:37:11 sgbirch: yes Jan 17 08:37:22 tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_n800.php tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_n810.php tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php Jan 17 08:37:30 hum, claws-mail upgrade on the air :) Jan 17 08:37:39 wwp: excellent ... ok, Ill grab that update later, right now I am short on time so want to see the vmware sdk Jan 17 08:38:16 I prefer vmwares for crosscompiling Jan 17 08:38:21 way more convenient Jan 17 08:38:22 GeneralAntilles: I am at garage.maemo.org .. lots of news, cant see the vmware image. Jan 17 08:38:31 Follow the link a few lines up. Jan 17 08:38:44 sgbirch: LinuxCode has pasted the link few lines above Jan 17 08:38:47 The one from LinuxCode. Jan 17 08:39:23 GeneralAntilles: OK ... but why WHY wast it more obvious from the garage page? Jan 17 08:40:07 Er, because it's not an officially supported tool? Jan 17 08:40:33 GeneralAntilles: should I use BT? Jan 17 08:40:54 Sure? Jan 17 08:41:02 Use whatever works best for you. Jan 17 08:41:14 GeneralAntilles: another Q, why is there a part 1 and a part2? Jan 17 08:41:35 Dunno, I've never used the VMWare image. No machines that'll run it over here. Jan 17 08:42:01 GeneralAntilles: maemo-sdk-vmware (part 1), maemo-sdk-vmware (part 2). Nothing about that on the page! Jan 17 08:42:12 * GeneralAntilles shrugs. Jan 17 08:42:16 I don't maintain it. Jan 17 08:42:26 sgbirch, its like rar Jan 17 08:42:32 p7zip Jan 17 08:42:45 multiarchive Jan 17 08:44:12 This is exactly my problem with the whole Nokia and Maemo experience. Somebody really needs to spend some time cleaning up the site so there is a clear path to follow. Mystical Part 1 and Part 2, no links to the VM etc etc. It is incredibly difficult for a new guy to get involved. When I looked before (a year ago) I just gave up. Jan 17 08:44:51 sgbirch, errm Jan 17 08:44:58 There's a big giant tutorial on there. Jan 17 08:45:15 I found it Jan 17 08:45:24 and if you google Jan 17 08:45:27 ;-p Jan 17 08:45:30 and, generally speaking, if you can't get the dev environment set up, then it's probably not for you. ;) Jan 17 08:45:31 it shows up Jan 17 08:46:02 vmware on the garage search goes right into the vmware page Jan 17 08:46:23 LinuxCode: But dont you think maemo.org should take you there. I am sure I would have found it .. but ... Jan 17 08:46:29 I didnt even know the VM existed. Jan 17 08:46:38 besides..nokia != maemo Jan 17 08:46:54 The VMWare image is not officially supported or maintained. Jan 17 08:46:57 LinuxCode: Ahhhh ... now that explains something Jan 17 08:47:10 LinuxCode: I though maemo was from Nokia Jan 17 08:47:27 Nokia started maemo and spun it off to be it's own thing Jan 17 08:47:36 AFAIK Jan 17 08:47:37 It's still part of Nokia. Jan 17 08:47:38 Maemo is sponsored by Nokia, as it says on maemo.org. Jan 17 08:48:07 johnx: They're "trying" to, but it hasn't really worked so great so far. :) Jan 17 08:48:13 ah, ok Jan 17 08:48:29 dpb_: Are they open to suggestions? Jan 17 08:48:50 dpb_: I ***REALLY*** want to see linux tablets take off. Jan 17 08:49:23 sure, the bug tracker has feature requests and the mailing lists can be used for talking. Jan 17 08:49:34 I cant stand not being able to control my phone. The logical next step for the N810 has got to be a phone device Jan 17 08:49:47 no thanks Jan 17 08:49:50 drains battery Jan 17 08:49:52 ^ Jan 17 08:49:54 oh no, please no hybrid phone device again Jan 17 08:49:58 Costs money. Jan 17 08:50:01 sgbirch, Don't hold your breath on that Jan 17 08:50:02 you look like an idiot putting a n800 to your ear :P Jan 17 08:50:04 Requires more certs Jan 17 08:50:07 carrier sponsorship Jan 17 08:50:08 Ugh Jan 17 08:50:16 gay contracts Jan 17 08:50:18 wow!!!!! lots of comments on that Jan 17 08:50:22 hehe Jan 17 08:50:23 idd GeneralAntilles it imposes some constraints in some countries that are incompatible with open source Jan 17 08:50:25 I already have a phone. Jan 17 08:50:36 aka the iphone syndrome Jan 17 08:50:36 you can interface it to your phone via bluetooth which is very nice Jan 17 08:50:44 wumpus, yeh Jan 17 08:50:45 it's been rehashed enough times that everyone has an opinion on it now Jan 17 08:50:51 I have a HW6915 from HP but I never could get the N800 to talk to the net through it Jan 17 08:50:56 johnx, im not done yet Jan 17 08:50:58 j/k Jan 17 08:51:00 lol Jan 17 08:51:01 ;-D Jan 17 08:51:04 Spent about 2 hours with T-Mobile. Failed Jan 17 08:51:08 :P Jan 17 08:51:32 N8x0 supports BT DUN but not not BT PAN out of the box (from what I hear) Jan 17 08:51:33 That was all part of the reason why the N800 was never used much Jan 17 08:51:40 sgbirch, failure seems to be your mission hehe Jan 17 08:51:46 ;-p Jan 17 08:51:59 <---- has a motto Jan 17 08:52:00 LinuxCode: Not in most walks of life, but I have had a bad time with the Nx Jan 17 08:52:07 if you fail...try and try again Jan 17 08:52:10 95% it works Jan 17 08:52:21 for me anyway Jan 17 08:52:28 PAN support is doable. Jan 17 08:52:30 LinuxCode: Im here! I have the N810. I aint giving up Jan 17 08:52:37 hehe Jan 17 08:52:42 Mostly the issue is that it's not part of the (closed source) gui interfaces, yet. Jan 17 08:52:45 N810 worked with my old P800 Jan 17 08:52:52 N800 chinook is much better than Windows Mobile 6 already ;) Jan 17 08:53:00 Hooking to the internet is difficult though. I am in UK right now and the failed link is in the US. So I can only debug when across the pond Jan 17 08:53:13 huh ? Jan 17 08:53:18 Im in the Uk Jan 17 08:53:21 works fine Jan 17 08:53:28 hendry: Errr ... sorry. What is chinook? Jan 17 08:53:31 its probably your service provider Jan 17 08:53:37 its locked Jan 17 08:53:44 The ITOS2008 codename. Jan 17 08:53:44 you must unlock inet access.. Jan 17 08:53:50 it wont be part of your unlimited deal Jan 17 08:53:54 LinuxCode: T-Mobile. They spent hours with me trying to get it working. Jan 17 08:54:00 Anyone tried a non-nokia BP-4l battery yet? Jan 17 08:54:03 trust me... Jan 17 08:54:08 sgbirch: codename of latest mamo work Jan 17 08:54:09 your US contract is not the same here Jan 17 08:54:10 LinuxCode: really ... that sucks Jan 17 08:54:17 it usually even works it if't not officially part of your deal, but that depends on the phone :) Jan 17 08:54:25 hendry: is it in the open, or behind closed doors? Jan 17 08:54:26 its country specific Jan 17 08:54:36 sgbirch: open of course Jan 17 08:54:36 LinuxCode: I use Vodafone in the UK Jan 17 08:54:41 hendry: cool Jan 17 08:54:49 sgbirch, most providers lock you out Jan 17 08:54:56 so you dont get back and bitch at them Jan 17 08:55:06 saying..unlimited blah blah Jan 17 08:55:09 LinuxCode: I dont even try to link to the internet in the UK. Rip Off Britain pricing doesnt appeal Jan 17 08:55:18 because they get charged...they charge each other Jan 17 08:55:24 LinuxCode: If they priced like the US I would go ahead Jan 17 08:55:28 sgbirch, google thecloud Jan 17 08:55:31 £7 Jan 17 08:55:34 but yeah in the US they put draconian restrictions on phones :p Jan 17 08:55:55 *Verizon puts draconian restrictions on phones. Jan 17 08:55:58 wumpus: yes. They are about 2-3 years behind the UK in technology. That is true Jan 17 08:55:58 sgbirch, google is a wonderful thing Jan 17 08:55:59 thecloud-- # it sucks Jan 17 08:56:15 hendry, why ? Jan 17 08:56:25 better than 3g Jan 17 08:56:26 Morning, all Jan 17 08:56:28 and paying loads Jan 17 08:56:28 LinuxCode: What about fon? Jan 17 08:56:34 fon ? Jan 17 08:56:39 LinuxCode: Shouldnt that be huge by now thanks to BT? Jan 17 08:56:47 errm Jan 17 08:56:51 never heard of fon Jan 17 08:57:03 but thecloud has 75% of all wlan points Jan 17 08:57:11 I was under the impression BT started it Jan 17 08:57:12 LinuxCode: Yeah ... use google, it is a wonderful thing :-) Jan 17 08:57:15 maybe im wrong Jan 17 08:57:30 unless they made a deal a few years back Jan 17 08:57:32 LinuxCode: www.fon.com Jan 17 08:57:34 and I recall that Jan 17 08:58:00 LinuxCode: You agree to share 10% of you home bandwidth but can use the 10% all others make available Jan 17 08:58:04 no way thats bt approved Jan 17 08:58:15 they switch people off Jan 17 08:58:19 for doing that Jan 17 08:58:27 terms and conditions Jan 17 08:58:31 LinuxCode: BT has become an amazing company Jan 17 08:58:38 pfff Jan 17 08:58:38 LinuxCode: Other ISPs switch you off Jan 17 08:58:45 lol Jan 17 08:58:50 LinuxCode: BT now makes it a part of their service Jan 17 08:58:51 it's not like they can really detect it anyway Jan 17 08:58:55 you def are american Jan 17 08:59:05 too much faith Jan 17 08:59:23 LinuxCode: No .. check out http://www.bt.com/btfon Jan 17 08:59:58 LinuxCode: BT has also introduced home TV over the net, and they are getting into podcasting. Jan 17 09:00:07 LinuxCode: Somebody at BT has a clue Jan 17 09:00:11 LinuxCode: completely unreliable. 3G has far better coverage. Jan 17 09:00:22 hendry, thats true Jan 17 09:00:26 however... Jan 17 09:00:31 I wouldnt surf over 3g Jan 17 09:00:33 its expensive Jan 17 09:00:37 only ssh via it Jan 17 09:01:01 LinuxCode: 3G isn't that expensive. many mobile packages include internet nowadays Jan 17 09:01:12 yeh like 10mb Jan 17 09:01:14 lol Jan 17 09:01:18 no thanks Jan 17 09:01:24 sgbirch: Telecom Italia has introduced IPTV too. And it's awful *and* expensive. Jan 17 09:01:33 I pay 10 euros a month for unlimited 3G Jan 17 09:01:38 michele_: Have you seen miro Jan 17 09:01:44 euros yeh Jan 17 09:01:47 this is the UK Jan 17 09:01:50 michele_: That is the TV of the future, its very cool Jan 17 09:01:54 UK = rip off Jan 17 09:01:58 sgbirch: yer, why should it matter in this discussion? Jan 17 09:02:29 michele_: I was esponding to your comment about IPTV Jan 17 09:02:35 *responding Jan 17 09:03:04 oh wait, the speed is limited though.. only 364k.. oh well.. Jan 17 09:03:14 I wish miro was on the n8x0 Jan 17 09:03:42 what's miro? Jan 17 09:04:04 ah, googl answered. Jan 17 09:04:06 google* Jan 17 09:04:49 dpb_: Nice thing about miro, downloads are in background so no bandwidth problems, bt so providers dont have to have a fat pipe. Jan 17 09:05:08 dpb_: Its like joose TV done right. Jan 17 09:05:17 dpb_: anyway, off topic. Sorry Jan 17 09:05:22 BT is great, unless you have Comcast. Jan 17 09:05:43 well, the big problem with miro is content Jan 17 09:05:44 Guys .. I have to go now. MOT time, wish me luck. Jan 17 09:05:53 mot ? Jan 17 09:06:02 as it is with joots, to a *slightly* lesser extent Jan 17 09:06:02 tvrss, michele_. ;) Jan 17 09:06:07 as in m.o.t ? Jan 17 09:06:37 LinuxCode: yeah ... gotta take the rust bucket to have the government clowns ok it for another year Jan 17 09:06:45 lol Jan 17 09:06:50 GeneralAntilles: eh, point :) Jan 17 09:06:54 bye Jan 17 09:07:19 my god this chan is chatty Jan 17 09:07:26 I might have to part Jan 17 09:07:27 rofl Jan 17 09:07:29 ;-p Jan 17 09:07:37 naw, it's a quiet chan. :P Jan 17 09:07:40 its eating my ircz bandwidth rofl Jan 17 09:07:51 Yeah, there are a lot more chatty channels. Jan 17 09:07:55 Try #macosx. ;) Jan 17 09:08:01 was a joke guys Jan 17 09:08:03 ;-p Jan 17 09:08:04 or #ubuntu Jan 17 09:10:10 /nick BillGates /join #macos "Does ctrl, alt, del work in OSX?" /me ducks for cover Jan 17 09:10:48 sweet ..the user pass didnt lock me out haha Jan 17 09:34:02 how do i install the gtkmm files in scratchbox? Jan 17 09:34:21 fedora has an arm project ;-D Jan 17 09:34:28 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Architectures/ARM Jan 17 09:34:31 ;-DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDd Jan 17 09:34:33 i know there is a deb package, but apt-get install dosn't work from scratchbox Jan 17 09:37:55 chille, did you fix your /etc/nsswitch.conf file? Jan 17 09:38:09 LinuxCode, big redhat fan? Jan 17 09:38:18 fedora fan Jan 17 09:38:29 not necessarily redhat Jan 17 09:38:45 i got shot of my rhe and replaced it with fedora Jan 17 09:38:50 much happier ;-p Jan 17 09:39:06 I got sick of redhat before fedora existed so I never gave it much of a chance Jan 17 09:39:12 hehe Jan 17 09:39:17 I wonder how many packages they have built compared to debian armel Jan 17 09:39:26 I use it as desktop OS, laptop OS and server OS Jan 17 09:39:35 good question Jan 17 09:39:39 they only started the project Jan 17 09:39:44 theres a rootfs though Jan 17 09:40:00 johnx: i don't even know what that file does or why i should fix it :-) Jan 17 09:40:08 good morning Jan 17 09:40:18 meh 4 users in the chan ;-[ Jan 17 09:40:23 chille, let me dig up the reference Jan 17 09:40:24 yeah, red hat 4 sucked. Jan 17 09:40:31 heh. Jan 17 09:40:43 johnx: okay, thanks Jan 17 09:41:50 redhat 5.1 sucked, skipped 6 and 7. 8 and 9 sucked. Jan 17 09:42:06 chille, http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Installing_Maemo_SDK_on_Scratchbox Jan 17 09:42:17 do what it says with nsswitch.conf :) Jan 17 09:42:26 johnx: okay :) Jan 17 09:42:41 http://ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/arm/fedora/pub/fedora/linux/releases/8/Everything/arm/os/Packages/ <-- john Jan 17 09:42:48 cool Jan 17 09:43:23 this might take a while to load O_o Jan 17 09:43:42 that vmware maemo image doesn't seem to have the latest sb2-style SDK installed Jan 17 09:44:06 armv5tel...is that our arm arch ? Jan 17 09:44:27 we're arm6tje but armv5te will run fine Jan 17 09:44:35 k Jan 17 09:44:38 the important thing is that we're both "EABI" Jan 17 09:44:44 well still needs hildon stuff Jan 17 09:44:55 debian already has the hildon stuff Jan 17 09:44:55 whats eabi ? Jan 17 09:44:56 gpe doesnt support vcalendar? 8# Jan 17 09:45:08 Cptnodegard, does Jan 17 09:45:15 johnx: still don't works, I think the problem is something else, because it just says SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set when i try to run apt-get, dpkg or even something at all Jan 17 09:45:50 johnx, if I knew this worked Jan 17 09:45:52 it suport icalendar apaprently so no biggy xD Jan 17 09:46:00 I would build up hildon Jan 17 09:46:12 but def need a build dir Jan 17 09:46:18 chille, aaah. ok, you have some different problem... Jan 17 09:46:18 there has to be a sdk Jan 17 09:46:35 install it in qemu :) instant SDK Jan 17 09:46:43 yeh the maemo one Jan 17 09:46:49 I meant for fedora Jan 17 09:46:51 ;-D Jan 17 09:46:59 not sure that would work Jan 17 09:47:12 nah, I mean fedora. Install the whole thing in qemu-arm-system Jan 17 09:47:19 would have to build a cross-compile environment Jan 17 09:47:20 grab a kernel and a rootfs Jan 17 09:47:30 hmmm I see! Jan 17 09:47:33 then you skip the whole cross compile terror Jan 17 09:47:43 at the cost of lots of speed and RAM Jan 17 09:47:58 <-- quad core Jan 17 09:48:00 dont care Jan 17 09:48:06 sigh. somehow manged to kill alsa on eeexubuntu. Jan 17 09:48:10 qemu only runs on one core :) Jan 17 09:48:14 brb Jan 17 09:48:19 thats ok john Jan 17 09:48:23 I could live with that Jan 17 09:48:27 as long as the puter is usable Jan 17 09:48:30 ;-} Jan 17 09:48:43 or you could run 4 copies of qemu and use distcc Jan 17 09:48:51 heh Jan 17 09:48:53 was just thinking that myself Jan 17 09:48:55 haha Jan 17 09:48:57 ! Jan 17 09:49:12 not the qemu bit but yeh Jan 17 09:49:14 distcc Jan 17 09:49:20 I was trying to get a cross compile distcc setup earlier today Jan 17 09:49:26 im happy that they are at least doing it Jan 17 09:49:34 it doesn't seem to integrate to easily with building debian packages Jan 17 09:49:37 I was on about it all day Jan 17 09:49:43 yeah, the more choice the better Jan 17 09:49:46 in the fedora chan Jan 17 09:49:50 exactly Jan 17 09:50:22 can only benefit every distro Jan 17 09:50:30 and I'm sure lots of patches will go both ways Jan 17 09:50:34 set it up on ITs for native compiliation :-) Jan 17 09:50:36 def Jan 17 09:50:48 Luria, sure Jan 17 09:50:52 and wait 100 years for compile Jan 17 09:50:57 mesh network compilation party :-) Jan 17 09:50:59 sounds like a plan Jan 17 09:51:02 lol Jan 17 09:51:13 downloaded the rootfs Jan 17 09:51:14 Luria, I ran the native compile on my zaurus for a while, but my athon 64 is faster at emulating an arm than the n800 is at *being* an arm Jan 17 09:51:17 its 90MB! Jan 17 09:51:57 actually packed Jan 17 09:52:00 300MB total Jan 17 09:52:01 well, on the serious - the point is to avoid qemu bugs, not provide speed Jan 17 09:52:25 Luria, a good point if I was using this for production stuff Jan 17 09:52:47 hmmm Jan 17 09:52:51 also, I think the debian-m68k guys use qemu now for a lot of stuff Jan 17 09:52:52 wtf is /scratchbox/tolols/bin/misc_runner? :o Jan 17 09:52:56 Im kinda itching to install this Jan 17 09:52:57 tools* Jan 17 09:53:01 despite not having hildon Jan 17 09:53:09 but I havent got time for this atm Jan 17 09:53:10 meh Jan 17 09:53:20 LinuxCode, so just unpack it on a card and chroot it Jan 17 09:53:21 * LinuxCode feels the magnetic force of the N810 Jan 17 09:53:22 a buddy o'mine who used to do embedded programming for work compiles on his projects on his iphone for similar reasons Jan 17 09:53:31 johnx, that will boot ? Jan 17 09:53:40 probably not Jan 17 09:53:43 haha Jan 17 09:53:44 but you can chroot in and play Jan 17 09:53:51 true Jan 17 09:53:55 i suppose Jan 17 09:55:15 * LinuxCode is really excited Jan 17 09:55:17 chille, it looks like maybe a renamed version of qemu? or possibly a wrapper for qemu? Jan 17 09:55:31 this will be very exciting Jan 17 09:56:02 yeah, EABI finally has support from the big distros Jan 17 09:56:04 amsn-0.96-7.fc7.armv5tel.rpm Jan 17 09:56:10 woah! Jan 17 09:56:18 this will open up a lot of fun for tablets/zauruses Jan 17 09:56:20 johnx: hmm. i don't know. but it looks like when i type a command on scratchbox misc_runner tries to execute the command but fails Jan 17 09:56:36 hmm Jan 17 09:57:46 lol gnome Jan 17 09:57:50 I bet that wouldnt even load Jan 17 09:58:55 LinuxCode, it should with swap Jan 17 09:59:03 hmmm Jan 17 09:59:12 *temptation* Jan 17 09:59:29 ive set it all up now Jan 17 09:59:33 sigh, i think it's time for a reboot Jan 17 09:59:37 dont want to fuck it up ;-| Jan 17 09:59:39 ehh mess Jan 17 09:59:45 sorry for bad language Jan 17 10:00:05 LinuxCode, are you booting from flash? Jan 17 10:00:13 yes Jan 17 10:00:28 you mean flash = internal sd card right ? Jan 17 10:00:36 ohh no Jan 17 10:00:38 you dont Jan 17 10:00:42 I mean the internal NAND Jan 17 10:00:43 yeh flash Jan 17 10:00:43 so install the modified initfs, boot from sd card and mess around on that :) Jan 17 10:01:04 modified initfs ? Jan 17 10:01:10 from fanoush Jan 17 10:01:20 let me dig it up Jan 17 10:01:26 sweet thanks Jan 17 10:01:52 basically, kernel loads, then this loads instead of init and lets you pick the root device Jan 17 10:02:06 like grub Jan 17 10:02:09 kinda cool Jan 17 10:02:20 except grub is before the kernel and this is after Jan 17 10:02:23 a fake bootloader Jan 17 10:02:26 yeh Jan 17 10:02:28 right Jan 17 10:02:47 try that on winblows ehh ? Jan 17 10:02:49 rofl Jan 17 10:03:04 actually, I'll give you a google search instead: fanoush initfs boot sd Jan 17 10:03:13 way more info than on any one page ;) Jan 17 10:03:23 loool Jan 17 10:03:25 kk Jan 17 10:11:07 * johnx goes afk Jan 17 10:11:16 hey john a big thank you Jan 17 10:11:24 for all the hints and advice Jan 17 10:11:27 appreciate it Jan 17 10:11:41 I should go to bed Jan 17 10:11:43 ;-| Jan 17 10:11:45 10am Jan 17 10:11:57 'night Jan 17 10:12:05 nn Jan 17 10:13:56 ls Jan 17 10:14:09 gah, wrong window Jan 17 10:15:03 hopes Jan 17 10:15:05 dreams Jan 17 10:15:08 failures Jan 17 10:15:23 all of these can be yours if the price is right? Jan 17 10:16:19 x) Jan 17 10:16:28 hope she goes out with you, dream of a happy marriage, inevitability. Jan 17 10:16:43 almost choked on my cola Jan 17 10:16:46 or something. Jan 17 10:27:16 Can anyone tell me how to set a preferred application for a certain mime type? Jan 17 10:41:17 where can I find info about catching the signal for fullscreen mode? Jan 17 10:41:50 doesn't the fullscreen button send like a keypress? Jan 17 10:42:09 johnx: probably, thats what I want to know Jan 17 10:43:46 hugolp, http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_SetupKeyboard Jan 17 10:44:16 i know it's about keyboards but it mentions what key goes with what function Jan 17 10:44:23 thanks Jan 17 10:44:39 Spakman > if u have any information about mime in file manager ... i'm looking for too Jan 17 10:45:24 johnx: no, Im looking to catch the fullscreen mode signal in a C aplication Im porting Jan 17 10:45:44 I read that previously it was done automatic but now the developer has to take care of it Jan 17 10:46:06 ah, ok Jan 17 10:46:25 hugolp: Gdk::Keyval::GDK_F6 Jan 17 10:58:10 does anyone know if are there updated telepathy packages for maemo chinook? Jan 17 11:01:35 Maybe someone can help me ... i get some problem to get a transparent widget ... Jan 17 11:02:08 as i get an argb colormap and set it to the widget ... but white is still white ... no transparency Jan 17 11:03:23 I would guess you're screwed Jan 17 11:04:00 "all" gtk widgets create their own X windows and X doesn't really do (alpha)transparency Jan 17 11:04:01 Khertan: OK. What do you mean "mime in file manager"? Jan 17 11:04:44 the home applets are transparent Jan 17 11:04:51 inz > so home applets are transparent ? Jan 17 11:05:40 Spakman > filemanager use mime to choose application to launch when you try to open a file ... and i m trying to associate .py file to pygtkeditor Jan 17 11:06:34 inz> and one of the main update of chinook is that now window manager do now transparency :) Jan 17 11:07:55 Khertan: ah, OK Jan 17 11:08:05 Khertan, hmm they indeed are, I wonder if it's real on "pseudo" transparency Jan 17 11:08:10 Khertan: I'm trying to associate RSS feeds to a different application Jan 17 11:08:48 Spakman> so take a look at /usr/share/applications/mimecache Jan 17 11:09:24 Spakman > but it s just a cache ... look in the osso-rssreader.desktop too Jan 17 11:10:46 inz: put one over another and watch them update Jan 17 11:11:19 michele, yeah, noticed that Jan 17 11:11:53 Khertan, I guess you have to do X{composite,damage,render} stuff yourself, see https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-desktop/libhildondesktop/hildon-home-area.c Jan 17 11:11:57 Khertan: thanks! How is the cache generated? Jan 17 11:16:41 Spakman it s my problem ... i don t know ... Jan 17 11:17:15 the cache seems to be managed by this lib https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/libossomime/ Jan 17 11:18:06 /huumorin grönfors pisti /quitit Jan 17 11:18:40 argh wron chan :) Jan 17 11:18:43 tkäsi! Jan 17 11:18:54 lol Jan 17 11:24:16 Has anyone seen penguinBait? :) Jan 17 11:24:36 I was checking since three days :( Jan 17 11:33:09 <|tbb|> is there a gconf-gui editor for chinook availabel? Jan 17 11:33:39 <|tbb|> s/availabel\?/available\?/ Jan 17 11:34:48 |tbb|, gronmayer.com/it Jan 17 11:35:20 <|tbb|> havent found there Jan 17 11:35:48 hmm, strange. I thought I remembered one Jan 17 11:36:03 <|tbb|> maybe i searched wrong Jan 17 11:36:10 nah, I don't see it either Jan 17 11:36:22 |tbb|: The indt guys had one. But not sure if they ported it to chinook. Jan 17 11:37:17 <|tbb|> how does the gui called? Jan 17 11:37:34 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/mistral/free/g/gconf-editor/ Jan 17 11:37:38 This one? Jan 17 11:37:51 No chinook version it seems.. Jan 17 11:37:51 gconf-editor Jan 17 11:38:11 yeah...I *know* there was at least a version for 2007 Jan 17 11:38:25 gotta love gconf Jan 17 11:38:33 after all the bitching over the windows registry Jan 17 11:39:05 yeah, I tend to agree with you Jan 17 11:39:16 Khertan: found how to add mime types Jan 17 11:39:19 god-awful idea :| Jan 17 11:40:26 in the deb package you need to include an XML file that complies to this schema: http://www.freedesktop.org/standards/shared-mime-info Jan 17 11:40:50 and has to be in /usr/share/mime/packages Jan 17 11:41:22 then in the .deb postinst scripts you do: Jan 17 11:41:22 # Update mime types Jan 17 11:41:22 if [ -x /usr/bin/update-mime-database ]; then Jan 17 11:41:22 update-mime-database /usr/share/mime Jan 17 11:41:23 fi Jan 17 11:41:23 # Update mime categories Jan 17 11:41:25 if [ -x /usr/bin/osso-update-category-database ]; then Jan 17 11:41:27 osso-update-category-database /usr/share/mime Jan 17 11:41:28 i have a new 810. what's the default root passwd for the terminal? Jan 17 11:41:29 fi Jan 17 11:42:34 hendry, install the openssh-server and it'll ask you for a root password to set...then ssh into it as root Jan 17 11:42:55 or enable r&d -mode and do sudo gainroot, or... Jan 17 11:43:40 inz: r&d mode? how i enable that? Jan 17 11:43:54 hendry, with the flasher tool Jan 17 11:44:01 or install becomeroot pkg Jan 17 11:44:03 Or just install becomeroot Jan 17 11:44:26 enabling r&d mode is the hardest, least safe way to do it Jan 17 11:44:33 just install becomeroot or openssh-server Jan 17 11:45:46 i guess i need another pkg list for apt-getting openssh-server as the default doesn't seem to have it Jan 17 11:46:35 ah, need to enable maemo extras Jan 17 11:46:41 hendry, yes Jan 17 11:46:58 also http://gronmayer.com/it has lists of what packages are where Jan 17 11:47:57 thanks for the help guys Jan 17 11:48:14 is there java for the n810? Jan 17 11:48:18 no Jan 17 11:48:27 or...kinda, sorta Jan 17 11:49:16 johnx: are you referring to the jolito project? Jan 17 11:50:02 I know there's not official support, but every so often I hear rumblings of someone getting something running Jan 17 11:51:27 hendry, http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Java_on_maemo Jan 17 11:51:36 looks like java 1.5SE with no swing Jan 17 11:52:11 "java maemo chinook" returns lots of other results, but I don't know what you're looking for Jan 17 11:58:39 Khertan: update-deskop-database seems to regenerate the cache Jan 17 11:59:05 Khertan: and /usr/share/applications/defaults.list is a list of default applications Jan 17 11:59:35 * johnx is afk for a while Jan 17 11:59:46 * jsmith-away wanders away... Jan 17 12:09:25 I've associated my application (an RSS reader) correctly so that clicking on an RSS link loads my app, but I can't work out how the URL is passed in. Does anyone know? Jan 17 12:19:55 Spakman > do u get the rpc callback from the osso context ? Jan 17 12:21:08 Spakman > here how i do it in python : http://pastebin.com/m3afa097a Jan 17 12:21:22 someone know how to get GTK-- working? Jan 17 12:21:33 (I'm a developer) Jan 17 12:21:37 gtk-- ? Jan 17 12:21:40 what is it ? Jan 17 12:21:48 yeah, the C++ wrapper for GTK+ Jan 17 12:21:52 libgtkmm Jan 17 12:22:23 sorry can't help u Jan 17 12:22:27 :/ Jan 17 12:22:46 well, maybe you know how to use e callback function inside a class then? :-) Jan 17 12:22:48 in C++ Jan 17 12:23:46 libgtkmm is in the repository : http://repository.maemo.org/extras Jan 17 12:24:19 yeah i know, i have the libraries installed on my device, but i need the *.h-files etc to compile my application Jan 17 12:24:39 chille: So you will need the *-dev packatges too. See the maemomm documentation. Jan 17 12:25:24 murrayc_: yeh but the problem is that my scratchbox isn't working so i can't use dpkg or apt-get :o Jan 17 12:25:36 chille: You'll have to fix that then. Jan 17 12:25:44 well, i don't know how to fix the problem Jan 17 12:26:37 i tries to unpack the *-dev.deb file on another box and just copying the needed headerfiles, but it didn't work ;o Jan 17 12:26:57 Hi all! Anybody knows the way to disable power-saving mode in N800? (OS2007) Jan 17 12:27:08 someone that understand well c can explain me how this applet make the transparency in gtk ? https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/trunk/hildon-home-webshortcut/plugin/hildon-home-webshortcut.c Jan 17 12:32:15 Hi... I need to get an clear idea... if I write a simple C++ prog with cout<<"test"; how can I compile this for maemo in order to execute in the console and get the output..? please help :) Jan 17 12:32:36 I have scratchbox installed Jan 17 12:33:32 and I tried g++ test.cpp and copied the executable file to my N800.. but I couldn't run it.. :S Jan 17 12:33:48 Khertan: probably the XRenderComposite call that does it Jan 17 12:34:19 Khertan: ah, thanks! Progress on the mime front :) Jan 17 12:53:16 thx onion ... Jan 17 12:53:56 onion > but where is this method ? Jan 17 12:59:52 Khertan: part of the X composite extension Jan 17 13:26:22 I'm having trouble getting python2.5-runtime installed. After using the .install file I'm told that the application package cannot be found. Any ideas? Jan 17 13:27:55 hey peeps Jan 17 13:28:02 is wordpy for the n810 broken? Jan 17 13:28:08 why i run it nothing happens Jan 17 13:28:15 what's the binay called? Jan 17 13:28:18 binary Jan 17 13:39:26 smart people with electric knowledge wanted: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15232 Jan 17 13:42:13 y0 Jan 17 13:45:56 Cptnodegard: Electricity is blue and lives inside the machines. Sometimes it comes out as smoke and then it is hard to put back in. Am I hired? Jan 17 13:46:33 anyone have gnapplet for s60 3rd edition Jan 17 13:47:56 Anybody have successful run of Kismet on OS 2007(N800)? Jan 17 13:49:15 For me, it stops capture after 5-10 seconds after start. Aircrack-ng works good. Goggled for this problem, but haven't found any solution. Jan 17 13:49:22 is there any way to compile a application outside a scratchbox? Jan 17 13:50:16 Cptnodegard: Nice idea with that pack, though. Can you share some stats? Apart from the issue in the thread? Jan 17 13:52:44 Blafasel: i use it in conjunction with http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.488 - that way it charge both ways. i charge the pack with usb, and charge usb stuff with the pack. put together with a AC USB adapter (also dalextreme) and some shortened USB cables it came out as this for $20 shipped: http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q187/Cptnodegard/charger.jpg Jan 17 13:53:07 works great for normal USB Jan 17 13:53:14 just not the ca100 Jan 17 13:53:25 because of whatever it is that curcuit inside is doing Jan 17 13:53:52 is there a version of ekiga available for os2008? Jan 17 13:55:11 Interesting. And they seem (?) to ship free of charge worldwide? That would be a nice deal indeed.. Jan 17 13:55:20 Especially with the weak dollar.. Jan 17 13:55:50 yup Jan 17 13:55:58 i have ordered...god i dont know, 50-100 thigns from there Jan 17 13:56:10 they ship free, and no scam Jan 17 13:56:37 they got this in stock the other day: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10734 Jan 17 13:56:42 dunnno how that works¨ Jan 17 13:56:49 i mean, if it works xD Jan 17 13:58:15 they also got http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.10730 ... not sure i believe the capacity Jan 17 13:59:02 I've had 1250 and higher before Jan 17 13:59:10 oh, triple a Jan 17 13:59:12 nm Jan 17 13:59:14 Reformulating my question: anybody have success in running kismet on OS-2008? :-) Jan 17 13:59:16 dealextreme rules Jan 17 14:02:01 Meandr, with n810, yes Jan 17 14:02:34 wnd, and with n800? Jan 17 14:02:44 Meandr, I don't have one Jan 17 14:03:47 wnd, on your N810 kismet didn't stop after capturing about 100 packets, or after 5-7 minutes? Jan 17 14:05:33 it did. try setting network search interval to zero (control panel -> connectivity -> search interval). Jan 17 14:07:08 wnd, big thanks, now I'll have a try to upgrade my N800 to OS2008 ;-) Jan 17 14:08:46 I don't really know if that helps but I figured that's probably the thing to blame Jan 17 14:09:43 I haven't been playing around with kismet too much. so far I haven't had interest to run it any longer than that anyway. Jan 17 14:10:08 ok Jan 17 14:10:38 anyway, didn't find any solution to make it work under OS 2007 Jan 17 14:31:20 <|tbb|> how can i get the type of a value from gconftool-2 Jan 17 14:37:40 damn. someone found a bug in the training material! Jan 17 14:37:55 * cizarro goes into the corner and cries Jan 17 14:38:18 |tbb|: --get-type (--help helps too ;) Jan 17 14:38:42 * michele_ hugs cizarro Jan 17 14:40:01 michele_, thanks Jan 17 14:41:03 i'm almost too scared to take my N810 with me Jan 17 14:41:33 the 770 on the other hand, is a tank Jan 17 14:41:55 pupnik: stay at home then ;) Jan 17 14:44:29 <|tbb|> thx michele_ havent found that before on man gconftool-2 Jan 17 14:45:29 <|tbb|> could anyone look what type /apps/modest/auto_update has in orginal? i ve set the key with boolean dunno if its right by default Jan 17 14:46:04 <|tbb|> gconftool-2 --get-type /apps/modest/auto_update Jan 17 14:58:21 |tbb|: --unset the key to its original value Jan 17 15:28:11 <|tbb|> michele_, ive changed it various time, where do he know what was it orginal? Jan 17 15:47:22 lmoura> does the gdk.gtk.Screen().get_argb_colormap() bg Jan 17 15:47:31 is corrected on the new python release ? Jan 17 15:48:39 lmoura> as #1862 > it should be corrected in the last release ... but not the case on my n800. Jan 17 15:48:47 i ve touched the file Jan 17 15:49:11 lmoura> and what about official hildondesktop ? Jan 17 15:49:12 :) Jan 17 15:49:34 Khertan, are you importing pygtk? Jan 17 15:49:49 not gtk, but import pygtk Jan 17 15:50:08 it initializes a few extra functions Jan 17 15:50:27 hum ... only gtk Jan 17 15:50:39 ekiga uses diamondcard.us to make 'ekiga-out' type calls. Anyone know how you can do that using an ekiga account with rtcomm? Jan 17 15:50:45 i thought that importing gtk or pygtk was the same thing Jan 17 15:51:05 me too Jan 17 15:51:49 it's not Jan 17 15:52:34 Juhaz > could u explain the main differences ? Jan 17 15:52:45 or give me a link ? Jan 17 15:53:57 well, everything, really. the pygtk module doesn't do much anything, it is just a way to select between gtk1 and gtk2 if both versions are installed at the same time Jan 17 15:54:51 lmoura> segfault with import pygtk too :) Jan 17 15:55:13 lmoura > or maybe it was for gnome binding ? :) Jan 17 15:55:30 eg. import pygtk; pygtk.require('2.0') changes what you get when you do "import gtk" later Jan 17 15:55:43 but that's all it does Jan 17 15:57:23 Juhaz > maybe you could me ... i m still trying to make tranparent home desktop applet in python Jan 17 15:57:45 Juhaz > my applet work ... but i still doesn't found how to make background transparent. Jan 17 15:58:29 sorry, now idea about that newfangled stuff, I'm still stuck in OS 2006 era. Jan 17 15:58:32 do other applets do it, that is, you know that it's even possible? Jan 17 16:01:07 Juhaz: yeah, the supplied applets are all transparent in 2008 Jan 17 16:04:21 anyone know the default password for 'user'? (Trying to ssh in via usb. OS2008) Jan 17 16:04:41 my n810 keyboard has some funny symbols on it, are all qwerty the same keyboards, or do I have a non US version? Jan 17 16:04:51 user has no password by default Jan 17 16:05:12 Juhaz > other can do it :) Jan 17 16:05:49 ok Jan 17 16:05:51 ssh user@ requests password, blank doesn't' work :( Jan 17 16:05:56 hey all Jan 17 16:05:57 Khertan, I'm going out now, could file a bug report at pymaemo? Tomorrow morning I'll do more tests Jan 17 16:06:02 skyhawk Jan 17 16:06:07 set a user passwrd Jan 17 16:06:13 open xterm Jan 17 16:06:19 passwd Jan 17 16:06:25 tried, I get "The passwor for user cannot be changed" Jan 17 16:06:28 hey penguinbait :) Jan 17 16:06:31 penguinbait> this key ? http://www.helldesk.dk/keyboard-ctrl-alt-del.jpg Jan 17 16:06:45 i'll try as root Jan 17 16:06:53 passwd user Jan 17 16:07:03 passwd alone will change root password Jan 17 16:07:14 hey lophyte Jan 17 16:07:27 I am installing KDE right now :) Jan 17 16:07:38 on my new 810 :) Jan 17 16:07:45 I am giddy Jan 17 16:08:12 yeah! that worked: sudo gainroot, then passwd user. Thanks Jan 17 16:08:23 hahah, niice Jan 17 16:08:30 I'd like to try kde on my n800 Jan 17 16:09:05 anyone know if there is anyone working on the ekiga port for maemo/os2008? Jan 17 16:09:21 hmm, i thought passwd alone would by default change the current user's password Jan 17 16:09:27 doc|home, that would be nice... Jan 17 16:09:28 ekiga, what is that? Jan 17 16:09:33 a sip phone Jan 17 16:09:37 ah Jan 17 16:09:50 lophyte: indeed, there's a port of sorts but it hasn't been in a while Jan 17 16:10:08 lophyte: if it's just sip you want, rtcomm will work for you I think, I want SIP and ekiga's pc to phone option :/ Jan 17 16:10:10 I thought someone was mispelling Amiga Jan 17 16:10:10 Khertan, don't see anything in the libhildondesktop api, at least... maybe they "fake" it (check what the background is, and draw the part they're over themselves) Jan 17 16:10:11 heh Jan 17 16:10:34 I have my own asterisk server that connects to my voip provider, so if I had just a sip phone, I'd have pc to phone... Jan 17 16:10:56 hi Jan 17 16:11:08 lophyte: rtcomm will work for you then Jan 17 16:11:10 nice Jan 17 16:11:13 I'll have to try it out :) Jan 17 16:11:20 lophyte: how does asterisk connect to a normal phone? Jan 17 16:11:28 through my voip service provider Jan 17 16:11:41 ah, ok, yeah, that's what ekiga does too in a way Jan 17 16:11:53 is it difficult to port a appl of x86? Jan 17 16:11:55 the client hands it off to diamondcard.us, which is pretty cheap Jan 17 16:12:03 I pay my service provider a nominal fee for usage... Jan 17 16:12:12 unfortunately there's no client for maemo :/ Jan 17 16:12:21 $0.01/min to anywhere in US and Canada outgoing... and unlimited incoming calls for $1/month Jan 17 16:12:24 uhm Jan 17 16:12:35 how do I know the IP address of the thing? Jan 17 16:12:41 juhaz> if you superpose many applet you ll see all ... it s a real alpha ... Jan 17 16:12:49 lophyte: nice Jan 17 16:13:03 1 deb down 2 more to go Jan 17 16:13:10 ok, /sbin/ifconfig :) Jan 17 16:13:12 Juhaz> the main problem is how do i make a transparent label in a transparent frame :) Jan 17 16:13:18 lophyte, did you get a bigger card? Jan 17 16:13:29 where transparency is the problem :) Jan 17 16:13:34 I have two 1GB cards Jan 17 16:13:51 do it exist sniffing appl on n810? Jan 17 16:14:45 K-Fox> tcpdump :) Jan 17 16:15:10 :) Jan 17 16:16:07 it s seems also that there is a dsniff working version for os2008 Jan 17 16:16:19 oi, can't remember how to do usbnet.. *goes searching* Jan 17 16:16:32 but i ve never been able to snif anything with ... including my own traffic Jan 17 16:16:35 wow Jan 17 16:16:49 maemo is super tool Jan 17 16:16:51 ugh maemo.org is down Jan 17 16:17:07 Works here. Jan 17 16:17:07 I ported compiled wireshark a long time ago, not sure if it works on 2008os Jan 17 16:17:20 oh there it goes Jan 17 16:17:24 just a tarball though Jan 17 16:18:06 penguinbail : porting is easy? Jan 17 16:20:21 compiling is easy Jan 17 16:21:00 I meant to say compiled not ported, forgot to erase the ported Jan 17 16:21:02 is there a radio-playing app that lets me hit 'record' and capture the last few seconds or minutes of the buffer, while recording the ongoing stream? Jan 17 16:21:13 I compile things, I am not a developer :) Jan 17 16:21:44 hey guys Jan 17 16:22:07 how i can recover the password i typed when i installed openssh Jan 17 16:22:10 Not that I've noticed, pupnik. Jan 17 16:22:17 Sounds like a golden opportunity. :P Jan 17 16:22:19 anyone got the fexplorer for s60 3rd? Jan 17 16:22:25 giskard: you can't Jan 17 16:22:30 install besomeroot Jan 17 16:22:34 sudo gainroot Jan 17 16:22:35 i did Jan 17 16:22:37 ok Jan 17 16:22:38 passwd Jan 17 16:22:41 ok Jan 17 16:22:47 change root passwd Jan 17 16:23:18 easy. thank you Jan 17 16:23:35 no prob, not recover, its an overwrite :) Jan 17 16:23:52 i know Jan 17 16:24:13 heh, just found funny bug(?) on OS2008. .install files like this http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2007/aircrackng/?get_installfile didn't work -- it says "incompatible version", but if i add repository by myself all works well. Jan 17 16:24:15 i thought i had to do something else, i hoped in something like dpkg-reconfigure Jan 17 16:24:23 it that "me and r" Jan 17 16:24:29 or Mean Dr. Jan 17 16:25:19 is it possible that only a developer port a program ? Jan 17 16:25:32 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo4.0/free/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.5.0-1osso7_armel.deb 401 Unauthorized [IP: 213.156.44.155 80] Jan 17 16:25:39 c/c Jan 17 16:25:43 this is really an annoying bug Jan 17 16:26:02 giskard, going through a proxy? Jan 17 16:26:07 I am not a developer K-fox, so I dont alter any code when I compile apps Jan 17 16:26:31 GeneralAntilles, this is not a solution Jan 17 16:26:32 to me porting is altering the source code to work better on the platform Jan 17 16:26:46 ok Jan 17 16:26:47 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=798 Jan 17 16:26:56 perhaps I am using my terminology wrong? Jan 17 16:27:11 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15210 <- this is an excellent idea. Jan 17 16:28:00 and a bookmarklet could be made to replace the current URL with the GWT version of it, giving you a bookmark that basically says 'View Handheld-Friendly Version' Jan 17 16:28:38 unfortunately, it seems bookmarklets don't work on microb Jan 17 16:28:52 at least, the one I tried, didn't Jan 17 16:28:57 really? I thought I had the Google Reader bookmarklet for 'Next' working Jan 17 16:29:07 this was OS2007 though. Jan 17 16:29:17 with either microb or minimo.. Jan 17 16:29:58 I would like to hack up the RSS reader to use GWT links. :) Jan 17 16:30:13 anybody using egroupware here? Jan 17 16:30:27 the mail doesnt work with the OS2008 browser Jan 17 16:30:52 so ... i 'm going to get my n810 ... :) Jan 17 16:30:59 see u later ... Jan 17 16:31:01 bye Jan 17 16:32:05 where? Jan 17 16:32:18 I guess all we'd really need is a GWT transcoder for RSS feeds. i.e., http://blah/gwtrss.php?feed=http://www.gizmodo.com/feed Jan 17 16:32:22 ugh.. no wget... Jan 17 16:32:29 kk Jan 17 16:33:12 i wanna get n810 to wget's tool Jan 17 16:33:34 someone just needs to rebuild busybox.. Jan 17 16:33:34 apt-get install wget Jan 17 16:33:41 nope Jan 17 16:33:53 there are a ton of tools that Maemo left out of their busybox that would be extremely useful. Jan 17 16:34:52 According to gronmayer, wget is in maemo chinook Jan 17 16:35:07 the wget package is rather large, but it works Jan 17 16:35:10 I just did apt-get install wget Jan 17 16:35:16 not sure whre it came from Jan 17 16:35:29 maemo chinook Jan 17 16:43:36 I just need to download a file, I'll use python :) Jan 17 16:46:15 urllib ftw. Jan 17 16:47:57 in unbox N810 , a battery is two? Jan 17 16:51:44 Just tested Kismet on N800/OS2008 -- the same issue, with stopping packet capturing after 5-6 minutes exists. :-( Jan 17 16:53:33 can anyone recommend a good webpage to read up on libs,include and makefiles on the maemo(bora), I am curently getting and error just trying to include :-( Jan 17 16:54:09 i wonder if there's any plans for iax support in rtcomm... Jan 17 16:54:23 hullfandan, are you using autotools? Jan 17 16:54:52 hullfandan, if not, add `pkg-config glib-2.0 --cflags` to your compiler (and --libs to linker) Jan 17 16:55:17 inz: no, I'm just using ESBOX as configured in a wmware image as ~i hadanightmare setting up scratchbox on my unbuntu box :/ Jan 17 16:55:32 has anyone tried installing java ee on ubuntu? When I run the installer .bin, it just gives an empty window and freezes Jan 17 16:56:21 hullfandan, well, if you just want to compile manually with gcc, use: gcc `pkg-config glib-2.0 --cflags --libs` -o my_prog your_source.c Jan 17 16:56:32 inz.thanks but there in lies the problem,. I am using sdl-config not pkg-config Jan 17 16:56:44 hullfandan, you can use both Jan 17 16:57:01 inz, thanks Jan 17 16:57:31 inz, where can i read more about these -configs? I couldn't find anywhere on the meamo site Jan 17 16:57:58 hullfandan, the "official" way is to use autotools and PKG_CHECK_MODULES -macro in configure.ac Jan 17 16:58:43 hullfandan, but ls /usr/lib/pkgconfig should give you a list of available modules in pkg-config Jan 17 16:59:01 hullfandan: they are not maemo specific Jan 17 16:59:02 inz thanks, I was starting to pull my hair out (not for the first time). I'll check out autotools now. Jan 17 16:59:16 hullfandan: you can find info on linux programming guides too Jan 17 16:59:17 hullfandan, autotools will make you bold Jan 17 16:59:22 michele, ok thanks. I wondered that Jan 17 16:59:34 inz, lol Jan 17 17:00:21 inz, ok maybe I'll stick to doing it by hand in the makefile. thanks for you help. Jan 17 17:00:50 hullfandan, you might want to check autotools later on, but I wouldn't use them when learning things Jan 17 17:01:04 inz: ok, thanks agian Jan 17 17:01:53 autotools will make you bald Jan 17 17:02:17 is there anyone who has succeeded installing java ee on ubuntu? Jan 17 17:02:26 michele, that was what I tried to say, I always get it wrong Jan 17 17:03:04 so Jan 17 17:03:12 i ssh'd into the device Jan 17 17:03:24 the (crappy) wifi connection dropped (again) Jan 17 17:03:31 and now I can't ssh on it anymore Jan 17 17:03:42 yey! I just got calling out voip -> phone working on my n800 without skype :) Jan 17 17:03:44 it asks the password and then stays stuck there Jan 17 17:03:51 doc|home, how? Jan 17 17:04:07 how do I start/stop the sshd daemon? Jan 17 17:04:15 with rtcomm or...? Jan 17 17:04:39 lophyte: with ekiga I'd signed up for their pc-to-phone set up but registering against that in rtcomm wasn't enough. You need to add another account for diamondcard (ekiga's provider) with the details that diamondcard give you when you sign up. Jan 17 17:04:51 AH, NICE Jan 17 17:04:54 yes :) Jan 17 17:04:54 er Jan 17 17:04:56 oops, sorry Jan 17 17:04:56 lol Jan 17 17:05:00 :) Jan 17 17:05:04 hullfandan, there's intro level stuff of using autotools with maemo in the training material Jan 17 17:05:10 I'm wondering if rtcomm has any plans for IAX support... Jan 17 17:05:21 * czr misread as "AIX support" Jan 17 17:05:26 michele_, /etc/init.d/ssh start/stop Jan 17 17:05:28 which would be pretty funky Jan 17 17:05:32 haha, no, not AIX Jan 17 17:05:42 Meandr : what is IAX? Jan 17 17:05:58 hey, AIX on ARM would be nice Jan 17 17:07:45 Hmm, funny, after going into "Fly" mode, kismet works fine fpr about 10 mins Jan 17 17:13:35 guys, i'm root but i get this when i try to launch the app Jan 17 17:13:37 Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc2/src/powertop-1.9# ./powertop Jan 17 17:13:37 -sh: ./powertop: Permission denied Jan 17 17:13:59 mount -o remount,exec /media/mmc2 Jan 17 17:14:59 well, dunno if it works for executables because of the fat filesystem, but for libraries it does Jan 17 17:16:15 giskard: thats bc your card is formated with a windows partition Jan 17 17:17:02 ph|ber, if i mv the elf into /usr/bin i get the same error Jan 17 17:17:21 let me look if the partition is mounted with noexec option Jan 17 17:17:43 right. it has the noexec option enabled Jan 17 17:18:06 but i should avoid this problem simply cp'ing powertop to another location (outside the mmc) Jan 17 17:18:21 btw, what fs'es enabled by default in OS 2008 kernel? Jan 17 17:19:54 jffs for sure Jan 17 17:21:09 and vfat Jan 17 17:22:50 ramfs Jan 17 17:23:01 or hmm. maybe not. let's see Jan 17 17:23:01 /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /media/mmc2 type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uid=29999,fmask=0133,dmask=0000,codepage=cp437,iocharset=iso8859-1,shortname=mixed,utf8) Jan 17 17:23:01 Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc2/src/powertop-1.9# ./powertop Jan 17 17:23:01 -sh: ./powertop: Permission denied Jan 17 17:23:01 Nokia-N810-50-2:/media/mmc2/src/powertop-1.9# Jan 17 17:23:14 nah, i remounted it without the noexec option and it doesn't work Jan 17 17:23:30 inz: sorry to bother you again but you mentioned that I could use multiple -config. Do you know any decent ggc makefile guides that cover this. I want to addd sdl-config and pkg-config to my cflags/libs Jan 17 17:23:44 Meandr, msdos (old fat), vfat and jffs2 Jan 17 17:24:15 hullfandan, CFLAGS = `pkg-config glib-2.0 --cflags` `sdl-config --cflags` Jan 17 17:25:02 does anyone know if there's a gobject way to 'sink' a reference other than g_object_ref_sink? Jan 17 17:25:13 inz thanks, and similar for libs I guess. cheers Jan 17 17:25:28 hullfandan, yeah Jan 17 17:25:38 is there any patches for enabling ext2 on OS2008? Jan 17 17:25:50 hullfandan, if you need multiple pkg-config modules, you can just list them in one pkg-config call Jan 17 17:26:09 hullfandan, i.e. `pkg-config libosso glib-2.0 --cflags` Jan 17 17:26:13 can i get my n810 to mount a flash usb stick? Jan 17 17:26:21 is there a url? Jan 17 17:26:31 and where the HECK is syslog?? Jan 17 17:26:49 Mousey, there have been some reports that once you get the usb host mode working, usb-storade devices would be automounted Jan 17 17:26:59 What's the best way to troubleshoot why my n800 won't connect to my GPRS network via bluetooth? Jan 17 17:27:07 ah, so it's about getting host mode working Jan 17 17:27:08 ok Jan 17 17:27:37 * Mousey excersizes his googlefingers Jan 17 17:29:27 Mousey, it shouldn't be that hard Jan 17 17:29:44 inz but pkg-config doesn't have the SDL libs I need I don't think Jan 17 17:29:45 Mousey, but I've never done it, so can't really say for sure Jan 17 17:30:05 hullfandan, true, sdl only has sdl-config, that was just an additional note Jan 17 17:30:24 hullfandan, if you happen to need some other pkg-config handled libraries Jan 17 17:31:10 inz: but thanks anyway. I still don't really understand what Iam doing though which I don't like. Now there is an error with the libs so it's not compiling. I gues i need to find a good gcc/makefile guide and read it. Jan 17 17:32:36 inz: well it automounts the removable flash cards as i'd expect it to, and i do see hal and dbus and udev. so the recipe for auto mount is there Jan 17 17:32:47 i can't figure out where kernel modules are stored tho. there doesn't seem to be a lib/modules Jan 17 17:33:23 Mousey, I asked someone who succeeded with usb host if there was a way to umount from the UI, but he was unable to answer Jan 17 17:33:52 probably from the filemangler, if not just umount (or pumount) Jan 17 17:34:10 one day i'll figure out this twisted mutant distro Jan 17 17:34:20 hullfandan, pkg-config ... --cflags gives some compiler flags needed to compile sources using module x, usually containing mostly include search paths Jan 17 17:35:07 hullfandan, for example glib-2.0 gives -I/usr/include/glib-2.0, so when you do #include , the preprocessor finds glib.h from the path Jan 17 17:36:09 hullfandan, the --libs gives the library where the implementations are, and possibly a library path where to find it Jan 17 17:37:09 inz: thanks, I looked in usr/lib/pkgconfiglike you said and that makes sense. CFLAGS looks fine in my make file not but it's not working probably because of LIBS now :/ Jan 17 17:38:12 inz: oh ok. so the .h files canbe in a different place to the library files? Jan 17 17:39:11 I'm trying to punch in my developer discount code and it says it's not valid; I called Nokia's store number and they don't see the code in their system, and maemo.org has no contact info that I can see ... does anyone have any suggestions as to who to talk to? Jan 17 17:39:42 hullfandan, your makefile could look something like this: Jan 17 17:39:51 http://pastebin.com/m4550dfd0 Jan 17 17:40:12 <|R> ... caling nokia canada about the discount code : "you have to write to the store email" ... how userful is that! Jan 17 17:40:56 hullfandan, there are ways to have a common rule for all .c -> .o compilations (so you don't need explicit rule for each), but for simplicity I didn't use any Jan 17 17:42:13 |R: hmm, I was told to get in touch with whoever sent the code (maemo?) Jan 17 17:43:54 <|R> korpios : well, nobody is responsible for anything it seems as quim wrote me and told me to call the stores hehe Jan 17 17:44:00 heh Jan 17 17:44:03 <|R> korpios : did you order in canada? how much did it cost? Jan 17 17:44:13 |R: I'm trying to order in the US, tells me invalid code, yay Jan 17 17:44:17 <|R> I'm pretty sure people are going to be clueless so i'd like to quote them what i'm supposed to pay Jan 17 17:44:27 inz: thanks and what a cool tool. It looks like this now (based on the hello world example :) ) http://pastebin.com/d505b0ffd Jan 17 17:44:40 <|R> zerojay : how much did you pay? ;) Jan 17 17:44:47 they asked me how much the code was for, I said 99 EUR, and they said they could give me $75 USD *off* the total order ... err, no thanks :-) Jan 17 17:45:08 <|R> haha yes indeed... Jan 17 17:45:09 inz: I had a couple of things slightly wrong :/ thanks for you help. It seems to be compiling again now. Jan 17 17:45:18 <|R> it's going to be around 145 $ CAD/USD Jan 17 17:45:32 inz: now to add loads more libraries. wish me luck :) Jan 17 17:45:41 <|R> korpios : the old and new code don't work? Jan 17 17:46:07 <|R> they're 9 digits long here... i originally chose france as canada was not an option :/ Jan 17 17:47:05 |R: I think I *only* got a "new" code; lemme double check Jan 17 17:47:27 what is the 770 lcd? manufacturer, part #, specs, etc? Jan 17 17:48:37 |R: yeah, I either deleted the original mail or never got it; the only code I have is the one with all the country store links (minus the US link which I received later) Jan 17 17:49:59 hullfandan, sdl-config should include -lSDL so you shouldn't need to add it Jan 17 17:50:10 hullfandan, but otherwise it looks correct Jan 17 17:53:50 <|R> ok, i just wrote them, they better answer this time... or i'll start harassing that 1-800 number Jan 17 17:59:06 I suspect harassment will get you nowhere Jan 17 17:59:34 <|R> hehe ;) Jan 17 17:59:48 <|R> then i'll provoke them in duel! old fashion style! ;P Jan 17 18:00:13 <|R> (sorry, i just hate support frontlines where everyone is clueless about everything...) Jan 17 18:01:08 p7zip -d maemo-sdk-vmware_0.4.7z.001 Jan 17 18:01:09 /usr/bin/p7zip: maemo-sdk-vmware_0.4.7z.001: unknown suffix -- ignored Jan 17 18:01:10 the canadian store support people are subpar at best Jan 17 18:01:14 boo Jan 17 18:01:48 <|R> jbowes : and i went for french as i'm in quebec, so i'm pretty sure that they have a harder time finding french speakers... Jan 17 18:01:58 <|R> next time i'll try english :) Jan 17 18:02:33 <|R> i like how they ask for you cell phone number... what? :P Jan 17 18:02:41 |R: yeah it sounds like the call center is in the southern usa Jan 17 18:03:00 <|R> haha ok :) Jan 17 18:03:24 and granted, we did deport a large number of french speakers there from the east coast of canada, but that was a long time ago. Jan 17 18:04:06 ahh ignore me, p7zip-full can do it Jan 17 18:04:07 <|R> that'd be in louisiane? :) Jan 17 18:04:10 <|R> acadians ...? Jan 17 18:04:15 yeah Jan 17 18:04:26 that joke may have been in bad taste :) Jan 17 18:04:39 <|R> hehe ;) Jan 17 18:16:56 Hello Jan 17 18:19:23 I whant to ask is it posible to boot directly from MMC KDE bypass hildon desktop Jan 17 18:23:30 wow, finally got valaized xmaeme to build under bora Jan 17 18:24:25 valgrind? Jan 17 18:24:37 no, vala Jan 17 18:24:53 what's vala? Jan 17 18:24:53 http://live.gnome.org/Vala Jan 17 18:24:58 ty Jan 17 18:26:33 neat! Jan 17 18:28:14 Extracting maemo-sdk.vmdk Jan 17 18:28:15 ERROR: E_FAIL Jan 17 18:28:43 I'm slightly concerned that it will bomb at runtime because I had to twiddle the vala source to deal with glib 2.8 Jan 17 18:30:12 so did you rewrite xmaeme in vala, or was there an existing version that you're tweaking? Jan 17 18:36:35 I did a quick port Jan 17 18:36:44 it was very easy Jan 17 18:47:49 Tak: valac requires glib >= 2.12 but your own vala application shouldn't need that new glib versions (except if you're using new glib api, of course) Jan 17 18:50:05 juergbi: it emits code with stuff like g_object_ref_sink and g_param_spec_gtype Jan 17 18:52:07 Tak: oh, right. can you please file a bug with a test case? Jan 17 18:52:22 gtg now, laters Jan 17 18:52:39 will do Jan 17 18:53:20 HI is it posible to boot directly KDE from mmc bypass hildon desktop Jan 17 18:55:08 GEORGE_BG: you mean like this? Jan 17 18:55:10 http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/view/n810_with_a_full_desktop_lovely.html Jan 17 18:55:37 sec to see Jan 17 18:57:11 Mousey my idea is when i select to boot from mmc Jan 17 18:57:56 to boot directly in KDE becauce i think hildon desktop is in backgrond and eat a little bit ram Jan 17 18:58:02 oh, well the reason i paste that article is, according to the author [and the site he links to] you can't run KDE on the N8x0 without booting from the SD card.. which they also detail how to do Jan 17 19:00:05 no, i whant to run KDE from SD card but with out loading maemo desktop Jan 17 19:00:13 ... Jan 17 19:00:24 yea, that's what they're doing, isn't it? Jan 17 19:00:55 http://tablethacker.com/kde.html Jan 17 19:01:04 may be no Jan 17 19:01:21 you clone OS 2008 to SD and install KDE Jan 17 19:01:22 look at the link i just pasted, read the yellow text Jan 17 19:01:32 oh Jan 17 19:01:39 well yea Jan 17 19:01:46 that makes sense, it needs an OS Jan 17 19:02:21 i haven't done it yet, i'm waiting til i get an 8gb card. but once it's done, ps axf and see if any hildon processes are runinng Jan 17 19:02:57 i'm not sure what drives the GUI.. if it's X11, i can't tell, doesn't seem like.. I can't find an Xorg.conf [heh, i can't find kernel modules either [i ar teh n00b!!]] Jan 17 19:04:42 what will do device after kill all hildon processes Jan 17 19:06:05 Do you have problems with usb flash memory Jan 17 19:06:43 the tablets use X11 Jan 17 19:06:57 heh, i wonder where is rfcomm in OS 2008 :? Jan 17 19:09:32 Do someone have problems with flash memory "unable to connect,no file system available" Jan 17 19:09:45 My windows format flash in FAT Jan 17 19:11:28 valaized xmaeme seems to run flawlessly on bora Jan 17 19:12:00 yeah ITs run a xorg with "--disable-xorgconfig" and "--disable-muchmorestuff" ;) Jan 17 19:12:42 Tak: so vala makes maintenance/changes less time consuming for you? Jan 17 19:14:10 yes Jan 17 19:15:58 pupnik: instead of foo_bar_method( FOO_BAR_PSEUDOCLASS_CAST( moo ), value) you do moo.method(value) ;-) Jan 17 19:15:59 plus then I would easily be able to add, say, a Launcher base class that performs all the boilerplate and only have to implement a function or two to add a new launcher Jan 17 19:19:41 wb AD-N770 Jan 17 19:20:28 hi pupnik Jan 17 19:47:34 do firefox extensions work with microb? Jan 17 19:47:53 Tak: No, I don't believe they do Jan 17 19:48:30 you can get greasemonkey and adblock for microb, adblock seems not to be working for me though Jan 17 19:49:54 <|R> /clear Jan 17 19:49:55 <|R> oops Jan 17 19:50:19 adblock works here but is somehow slow (esp. on startup) Jan 17 19:50:59 oooh, greasemonkey and adblock on a mobile browser? I swear, not having equivalents on mobile Safari makes the web ... ugly. Jan 17 19:52:29 yeah, adblock's what I was hoping for Jan 17 19:52:58 although if it's slow, that kind of defeats the purpose Jan 17 19:53:36 <|R> only slow to start for me Jan 17 19:53:49 it's not slow, just seems... ineffective :) besides, if it works then I'd expect it to be quicker for browsing Jan 17 19:55:38 meh, slow to start is just as bad as slow in general Jan 17 19:58:21 * j0tt uses it anyway Jan 17 20:01:55 Hi! Jan 17 20:02:28 Does anyone of you know why modest is continously running? Jan 17 20:02:45 I tried to kill it, but after a few minutes it runs again... Jan 17 20:02:48 Good to read that the power on/off enigma is supposedly software-fixable Jan 17 20:03:21 I'd like to know what is spawning it. The parent PID is 1... Jan 17 20:06:07 eijk, I would guess the one spawning is alarmd Jan 17 20:08:48 inz, but why should it restart modest? Jan 17 20:17:59 eijk, because modest has asked it to Jan 17 20:18:32 inz, ok found it in /var/lib/alarmd/ Jan 17 20:20:02 eijk, yeah, you can remove the event by editing the alarm_queue.xml, just remember to restart alarmd after modifying it Jan 17 20:26:15 inz, yes, just did it. Thanks! Jan 17 20:27:43 inz, first deactivated automatic checking in modest but this didn't remove the alarm... Jan 17 20:30:35 Hi, anyone here have an N810? I'm curious about a band I can see on the touchscreen Jan 17 20:30:50 I have an n810 Jan 17 20:30:55 eijk, then there is a bug in modest ;) Jan 17 20:31:50 richieeee72 on youtube? Jan 17 20:32:27 jsmith, please can you do me a favour. With the screen off, can you hold put the screen under lamp, do you see a band (not muscial:)) in the middle, running top to bottom? Jan 17 20:34:01 richieeee72: I don't see anything like that Jan 17 20:34:55 hi Jan 17 20:35:57 i ve bought my n 810 yesterday. Jan 17 20:36:03 jsmith, It is quite subtle and only when under a bright light. I was curious what it was. Thanks for looking. Jan 17 20:36:48 today i ve discovered that sometime the hardware keyboard doesn work. Jan 17 20:37:11 also the lock switch doesn t work. Jan 17 20:40:42 ok noscript plugin for n810 Jan 17 20:45:20 gnuton, this might be the wrong question, but under what circumstances would you be examining your 810 under a bright light with it turned off? though i did myself try it and cannot replicate your situation i think it might be a shadow coming from the lighting element in the back of the screen which when the light is on would not be visible Jan 17 20:45:38 * lcuk_2 breathes Jan 17 20:46:37 * lcuk_2 changes gnuton to richieeee72 and apologises to gnuton for having the same color name Jan 17 20:48:14 Hi. Does anyone know whether i need to be careful in choosing SD card speeds to work with my N800? I'm thinking of getting a couple of standard speed 2 GB SD cards for use in my two slots. Jan 17 20:49:56 std works fine Jan 17 20:50:06 What about other speeds? Jan 17 20:50:23 lcuk_2, just by chance. I've got an ultra bright light from Ikea and could see the band. Other lighting is fine. Jan 17 20:51:02 I reckon it's a ribbon cable Jan 17 20:51:18 pupnik810: What about things like SDHC, Ultra SDHC, Class6? I'd never heard of any of them until i started looking for a card recently. Jan 17 20:51:56 the only thing with the screen i have noticed is that on the right hand side there is a dimmer area and the touch sensitivity is less than the rest of the screen - try using a program with pressure sensitivity to see the effect. Jan 17 20:52:10 re Jan 17 20:52:34 its not enough to not register a tap, but its less than the rest of the screen Jan 17 20:52:51 blah check itt forums Jan 17 20:53:23 itt forums? Jan 17 20:54:15 InternetTabletTalk Jan 17 20:54:25 hi i ve a problem with my n810. sometimes the hw keyboard doesn t work, and when i try to reboot the device the power on button doesnt work. if i remove the battery it works again. Jan 17 20:55:10 gnuton, other people have seen the power on failure (looks like something with the charging software getting knickers in a twist) Jan 17 20:55:22 lcuk2, just tried it, yeah I get a sound 'tap' from the screen but the scroll bar in the browser doesn't always move, more software, than screen that seems on mine. Jan 17 20:55:28 there are bug reports on maemo and discussions on itt Jan 17 20:55:42 sweet, the n810 comes with knickers?! Jan 17 20:55:57 lol Jan 17 20:56:00 hahahaha Jan 17 20:56:17 * Tak can't wait for code to work now Jan 17 20:56:36 rich, thats most likely the browser just being busy than anything - if there is a click it registered (though whether its stayed registered is another matter) Jan 17 20:56:55 re Jan 17 20:57:09 if it wasnt clicking properly you would get a machine gun noise as it clicks multiple times Jan 17 20:57:40 get a drawing program (the built in nokia one doesnt touch the edges..) like maemopad+ or something Jan 17 20:57:55 i found out when i was getting my own working Jan 17 20:58:09 whats best way to upload a picture and show you what i mean? Jan 17 20:59:18 i hope that it will be fixed.. Jan 17 21:00:25 its not a software bug - its a limitation in the touch device - wires *have* to go somewhere to connect the screen to the device and they intefere electrically with the touch element (or thats what used to happen with my homemade touchscreen laptop) Jan 17 21:01:23 it works well enough to register taps but its not a smooth pressure level Jan 17 21:01:56 heh, that really joke from OS2008: kismet works well with wifi, but fully fail to work with gpsd Jan 17 21:04:09 which imagehosts do people use here ? Jan 17 21:05:34 flickr? Jan 17 21:05:51 need an account dont i Jan 17 21:05:56 lcuk2, ok, thanks. I'll give maemopad+ a go Jan 17 21:06:00 just a quickupload and share url site Jan 17 21:07:51 lcuk2, another quick N810 hardware Q Jan 17 21:08:14 bayimg.com? Jan 17 21:08:44 my N810 keyboard lights up when dark, but I have a distinctively brighter 'P' than other keys? Is this the same on yours? Jan 17 21:08:49 hey guys Jan 17 21:09:01 does memo-wordpy work for anyone with an n810? Jan 17 21:09:54 richie*: Yes, same for me. Jan 17 21:11:11 rich, yer some keys are brighter than others Jan 17 21:11:22 P and R are brightest Jan 17 21:11:26 wordpy does nothing here Jan 17 21:11:33 and W Jan 17 21:11:34 and from the terminal gives no output what so Jan 17 21:14:46 lcuk2, ok, cool, thanks for your reassurance Jan 17 21:20:22 kk Jan 17 21:26:31 pupnik, wordpy work for you? Jan 17 21:27:07 lcuk_2: same here... P is brighter... Jan 17 21:27:21 it seems to me that's because the "emitter" is closer to that key... Jan 17 21:28:05 i wish it would emit for a longer period... Jan 17 21:28:43 what is wordpy Jan 17 21:29:00 its like when you bake a dictionary Jan 17 21:29:19 Maemo WordPy is a offline Wordpress client. Jan 17 21:29:29 With this application you will be able to use your Internet Tablet (Nokia 770 or Nokia N800) for write in your Wordpress blog. Jan 17 21:29:36 * lcuk_2 hugs google Jan 17 21:30:10 i thought wordpy was a well know maemo app Jan 17 21:30:52 i saw it on the isntall list and bypassed it because it mentioned the word blog Jan 17 21:31:02 hahah Jan 17 21:32:36 speaking of app manager - when browsing why does the second description line cut off half way along and not show the whole line of description. it forces a slowdown by having to read the rest with the details button Jan 17 21:34:14 <|tbb|> is there a documentation about what a conf key stays for Jan 17 21:35:58 they don't want one description to fill the whole screen? Jan 17 21:37:49 so these rumours about canadians successfully ordering a device were just rumours? Jan 17 21:42:02 i was browsing around my filesystem last night and found the bluetooth logs, does anyone know where they are (i can't find them now) Jan 17 21:43:28 /var/log ? Jan 17 21:44:20 no empty, i was having a good rummage through and found a list of devices i have connected to in the past but its not in /var/log Jan 17 21:44:48 ahhh var/lib/bluetooth :D Jan 17 21:56:05 arghhhhh fbreader is broken - i updated yesterday and now my books are looping between page 2-3 and page 9-10. when i try to move beyond page 10 it rolls back to 9 Jan 17 21:56:29 it's a feature Jan 17 21:56:32 xD Jan 17 21:56:37 make sure i remember a passage Jan 17 21:56:52 rolls back to 3 i meant btw Jan 17 21:57:10 its annoying because i dunno how it could possibly happen Jan 17 21:57:27 i thought it was corrupt so i opened the file (its a text doc) in notes and its ok Jan 17 21:58:07 its the same for all books Jan 17 22:20:28 what choices for mail clients do I have on maemo... I see the builtin client, which wastes a ton of cpu on my inbox all the time Jan 17 22:21:11 I see modest, which is OK, but doesn't let me see more than one account at the same time, and doesn't update my server when I read/delete email Jan 17 22:21:19 and then claws which just doesn't work well Jan 17 22:23:12 pupnik, remember our video encoding Jan 17 22:23:25 you got a format that works nice with the built in media player? Jan 17 22:29:35 man oh man Jan 17 22:29:48 what happened to mplayer in os208 Jan 17 22:29:50 what happened to mplayer in os2008 Jan 17 22:36:45 cbx33: mplayer was never part of the distribution. You can get it from garage.maemo.org though Jan 17 22:36:53 i know Jan 17 22:36:56 but it sux Jan 17 22:37:25 video playback is poor compared to os2007 Jan 17 22:37:30 that the situation is exactly the same as it has always been? :) Jan 17 22:37:48 no no, it used to be awesome on the n800 in os2007 Jan 17 22:40:05 does anyone have any luck with email on OS2008? Jan 17 22:40:30 I bought the n810 thinking it would have a decent email client, but I'm just having no decent luck Jan 17 22:42:16 hachi: for me *this* is the first mail client i can really use on the n-series Jan 17 22:42:52 the builtin client spins the cpu for line 30 minutes anytime it tries to sync the inbox Jan 17 22:43:59 cant't confirm that. the only bad thing is: i don't see any folders of my imap account. but the performance is really good Jan 17 22:44:14 I can't get modest to actually do the operations on the imap Jan 17 22:44:22 I can delete messages on my n810 Jan 17 22:44:32 and they're still there on the imap server Jan 17 22:45:19 hi, is there a word processor like abiword for maemo 4? Jan 17 22:47:02 abiword is coming Jan 17 22:47:33 the notes app is actually close enough to a WP for me to use Jan 17 22:47:45 any 'fancy' stuff I do will need a machine that can print anyways Jan 17 22:49:10 pupnik: any ideas when? Jan 17 22:50:36 http://www.indt.org.br/maemo/#abiword Jan 17 22:51:03 <|tbb|> anyone got a clue where the background wallpaper is stored (in registry) Jan 17 22:51:54 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/abiword/ Jan 17 22:55:01 tbb: i think it's in ~/.osso/hildon-desktop/home-background.conf Jan 17 23:05:08 sorry, that's /usr/share/backgrounds/default.desktop Jan 17 23:17:47 <|tbb|> rgosh, first place was correct Jan 17 23:18:53 * lcuk_2 pulls his hair out Jan 17 23:21:00 <|tbb|> i wonder if its possible to change the background by gconf changing or any other automatic Jan 17 23:23:10 ooo, rotating backgrounds. one of my damper dreams Jan 17 23:24:30 speaking of Jan 17 23:24:34 why is there no cron daemon? Jan 17 23:25:53 <|tbb|> how to change it anyway just changing the conf doesnt take effect without reload Jan 17 23:26:05 <|tbb|> s/reload/reboot/ Jan 17 23:26:06 |tbb| meant: how to change it anyway just changing the conf doesnt take effect without reboot Jan 17 23:27:03 * czr peeks Jan 17 23:27:25 * czr glues a pink wig on lcuk_2's head Jan 17 23:27:51 thanks cz :) just what i always wanted :| but you made me smile Jan 17 23:28:13 we can't have have you walking around without hair, can we.. Jan 17 23:28:31 i might have to - this thing is driving me crazy Jan 17 23:28:39 what are you borking? Jan 17 23:28:49 with fbreader not working its pushing me to needing faster text rendering Jan 17 23:29:04 hmm. why doesn't it work? Jan 17 23:29:09 (fbreader wont view my current books beyond page 9 - yesterday it would) Jan 17 23:29:21 interesting Jan 17 23:29:24 try rebooting? :-) Jan 17 23:30:00 hmmm its going off as i type Jan 17 23:30:07 noooooo... Jan 17 23:30:13 or rather, yayyyyyy Jan 17 23:30:13 yer im on desktop Jan 17 23:31:58 nope, from page 9 i clicked the position bar to the middle and it jumped to....page 7 (it should be around page 150) Jan 17 23:32:29 ah. maybe it has a bug somewhere (like "duh") :-) Jan 17 23:32:48 theres somethin up with it cos its borked Jan 17 23:33:09 i cant roll back an install to a specific version without a deb for that version can i Jan 17 23:33:49 "uninstalling fbreader" Jan 17 23:33:59 evening guys Jan 17 23:34:09 hi linux Jan 17 23:34:17 how are you ? Jan 17 23:34:37 somewhere between great and hell Jan 17 23:34:40 lcuk_2, installed gpe and managed to sync with evolution Jan 17 23:34:47 im well pleased now Jan 17 23:34:53 it basically does all I require now Jan 17 23:34:59 anything else is a super-bonus Jan 17 23:35:01 ;-} Jan 17 23:35:05 nice Jan 17 23:35:10 + fedora is running an arm project Jan 17 23:35:16 as I found out yesterday Jan 17 23:35:24 LinuxCode, which arm? left or right? Jan 17 23:35:31 cause it makes a world of difference! Jan 17 23:35:35 czr, between ya legs..and its huge Jan 17 23:35:41 oh my. Jan 17 23:35:42 ;-D Jan 17 23:35:49 * czr runs away from fedoras arm before it's too late Jan 17 23:36:20 it will only help Nxxx Jan 17 23:36:49 hmm. what's PST short for? pacific central? Jan 17 23:36:57 * lcuk_2 gets back an older version of fbreader Jan 17 23:36:57 if momentum grows and drags developers into hildon etc.. Jan 17 23:37:16 czr, pacific standard time ? Jan 17 23:37:20 ah. could be Jan 17 23:37:22 or something like that Jan 17 23:37:33 <|tbb|> is there some functionality to reload the home screen by command in windows its killall explorer ;) Jan 17 23:37:46 momentum might drag them in, but some of us get lost when we are in here Jan 17 23:38:00 lcuk_2, haha Jan 17 23:38:09 the maze! Jan 17 23:38:37 tbh.... Jan 17 23:38:38 * czr hates syncing up with people with completely different timezones Jan 17 23:38:47 I think without familiar...maemo wouldnt exist Jan 17 23:38:51 arranging telephoning times is such a pita.. Jan 17 23:38:59 czr, yeh Jan 17 23:39:16 specially PST Jan 17 23:39:18 -8 Jan 17 23:39:26 cet -9 Jan 17 23:39:28 ;-| Jan 17 23:39:33 * czr nods Jan 17 23:39:45 CET was bad enough for me last time Jan 17 23:39:46 familiar? for every device ive coded for then has been one primary dev chain that has been an end to end solution. im losing myself inside virtual machines and just want to edit/compile/run Jan 17 23:40:15 lcuk_2, at least now you can find yourself again. just look for the ping hairy thingy :-) Jan 17 23:40:25 but yeah, you're on to something.. Jan 17 23:41:14 i can do it with python now for maemo, but I'll be damned if i can understand the process for anything else Jan 17 23:42:09 * czr hugs the clock applet in KDE Jan 17 23:42:15 tbh.... Jan 17 23:42:21 allows me to track multiple timezones simultanously, not just two Jan 17 23:42:29 nokia made a huge mistake not to put a calendar etc.. app in Jan 17 23:42:44 I was pretty miffed...I expected it Jan 17 23:42:51 even my shitty P800 has one Jan 17 23:42:54 there might be some reasons for that though Jan 17 23:43:00 <|tbb|> gnite all Jan 17 23:43:04 yeh 2008 is a bit behind Jan 17 23:43:05 nite tbb Jan 17 23:43:07 nn mate Jan 17 23:43:17 cause they assume that people are using their phones for calendaring and such, which is obviously kind of weird when you'd have the large screen of N810 Jan 17 23:43:19 device dev was faster than OS dev Jan 17 23:43:36 well, it might be some internal strategic reason Jan 17 23:43:39 who knows of these things.. Jan 17 23:43:42 yeh Jan 17 23:43:47 the big whale Jan 17 23:43:59 who knows where it swims and how fast Jan 17 23:44:04 nokia fly on wall: arse, meet elbow Jan 17 23:44:09 lol Jan 17 23:45:02 their n9x phone people need to get together with the maemo people and do some interfacing Jan 17 23:45:24 hopefully not Jan 17 23:45:28 at least most of the sw on N810 runs Jan 17 23:45:33 even if its just for the powervr code Jan 17 23:45:35 even if there's not a lot of it Jan 17 23:45:51 the powervr thing is a money question I guess Jan 17 23:46:06 Id like to see a mobile phone using linux Jan 17 23:46:07 and a design question as well, I'd guess Jan 17 23:46:28 motorola has some, as does panasonic and moko Jan 17 23:46:34 yeh Jan 17 23:46:40 but everywhere in the Uk i asked Jan 17 23:46:43 nobody knows Jan 17 23:46:51 or stocks them afaik Jan 17 23:46:57 its very disappointing Jan 17 23:47:05 but now I dont care anymore Jan 17 23:47:08 well, UK is a backwards country in so many ways anyway ;-) Jan 17 23:47:08 now I have the N810 Jan 17 23:47:23 czr, you here ? Jan 17 23:47:28 UK ? Jan 17 23:47:41 * lcuk_2 is from the uk but is a hairless pink wig wearer so stands out from the crowd Jan 17 23:47:48 not at the moment no. but I've visited/spent some time over there Jan 17 23:48:09 czr, you sir, are disqualified Jan 17 23:48:12 lol Jan 17 23:48:13 ;-p Jan 17 23:48:14 where bouts are u linux? Jan 17 23:48:19 cardiff Jan 17 23:48:21 you ? Jan 17 23:48:24 manchester Jan 17 23:48:29 k Jan 17 23:48:31 ah. liked manchester Jan 17 23:48:31 ;-} Jan 17 23:48:39 then you can have it Jan 17 23:48:42 it had a nice feel to it Jan 17 23:48:46 * lcuk_2 gives it you Jan 17 23:48:52 haha Jan 17 23:48:55 here have London.. Jan 17 23:48:59 did you actually manage to go anywhere without gettin mugged? Jan 17 23:49:00 you may sell it ... Jan 17 23:49:05 and buy a new City Jan 17 23:49:08 lcuk_2, sure :-) Jan 17 23:49:25 but then again I only walked outside during daylight :-) Jan 17 23:49:27 im goin over the top, but once you look beneath the surface manc isnt that nice Jan 17 23:49:32 so I guess I'm even more disqualified ;-) Jan 17 23:49:38 probably Jan 17 23:49:47 I didn't spend too much time there. was living in chester at that time Jan 17 23:49:53 * LinuxCode mugs czr and teals hos nxxx Jan 17 23:49:55 steals Jan 17 23:49:56 might be the same everywhere but there are scallies who arent that nice Jan 17 23:49:57 ;-p Jan 17 23:49:57 and it was driving me nuts, so machester was a nice change Jan 17 23:50:17 manc can be great with a bit of makeup on Jan 17 23:50:17 lcuk_2, the "chavs" Jan 17 23:50:22 LinuxCode, leave my hos alone! Jan 17 23:50:25 lol Jan 17 23:50:37 i think chavs are too posh for this lot Jan 17 23:50:37 lcuk_2, you have the pink wig now, so you're on your way to liking it ;-) Jan 17 23:50:38 I hope my laptop battery comes tomorrow Jan 17 23:50:43 lcuk_2, haha Jan 17 23:51:13 i like lots of things about manc and in the busy towncentre there is a great vibe Jan 17 23:51:44 but once you start walking the streets on warmish nights (the 3 nights a week when its not raining) the mood changes Jan 17 23:51:45 btw, the timediff from here to PST is 10 hours Jan 17 23:51:53 where are you? Jan 17 23:52:13 The Great Linux Kingdom of Finland (now serving Reindeers too) Jan 17 23:52:23 Helsinki to be more precise. at least at this moment. Jan 17 23:52:48 cool Jan 17 23:52:54 and if i remember you dont drive Jan 17 23:52:56 the word is "cold".. Jan 17 23:53:11 oh, I could, but I live in the city centre so owning a car would be silly for me. Jan 17 23:53:23 i remember the conversation now Jan 17 23:53:33 see.. the ping wig is working! Jan 17 23:53:38 pink even. Jan 17 23:53:41 your timezone program - does it retain user name lists and other info Jan 17 23:53:43 although a ping wig would be cool too Jan 17 23:53:51 lcuk_2, it's a clock applet. so no. Jan 17 23:54:00 but that would be an interesting idea Jan 17 23:54:01 btw guys the internal mem on the N810 is NAND memory ? Jan 17 23:54:01 i need a wallchart with user snippets on Jan 17 23:54:07 can any of you confirm that ? Jan 17 23:54:15 although I was thinking about that when was thinking about the problem of organizing meeting times between people Jan 17 23:54:42 LinuxCode, dmesg might have some messages to that effect, although I can't be certain atm.. Jan 17 23:54:52 good idea Jan 17 23:54:53 probably NAND.. Jan 17 23:54:55 lets see Jan 17 23:55:00 I read it somehwhere Jan 17 23:55:01 I'd be suprised if not. Jan 17 23:55:04 I hope it is! Jan 17 23:55:06 linux, its got DDR NOR and NAND Jan 17 23:55:14 nand doesnt degrade Jan 17 23:55:15 128mb DDR Jan 17 23:55:19 wicked! Jan 17 23:55:22 awesome! Jan 17 23:55:31 and 256 MB NOR flash memory Jan 17 23:55:47 and integrated (NAND) flash capacity for storing data is 2 GB Jan 17 23:55:52 now all it would need is 4GB of it and it would be a device for life-time Jan 17 23:56:07 at least thats what tgdaily says Jan 17 23:56:10 then expanding memory usage wont be an issue Jan 17 23:56:13 http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/34941/149/ Jan 17 23:56:28 if its nand...because it doesnt degrade Jan 17 23:57:24 * lcuk_2 's mind degrades Jan 17 23:57:27 well it does degrade Jan 17 23:57:37 but 1 million writes.. Jan 17 23:57:39 ;-p Jan 17 23:57:56 as long as your filesystem aint stupid Jan 17 23:58:06 saying that its fat16/32 Jan 17 23:58:13 does it matter whether the user is stupid or not? Jan 17 23:59:06 churning the virtual memory page might be a bad idea ;) Jan 17 23:59:18 but if one is hungry! Jan 17 23:59:34 * czr starts to gnaw at lcuk_2's clean pages. Jan 17 23:59:45 (the dirty ones taste weird) Jan 18 00:09:53 if i install directly from a .deb on the filesystem, it wont be listed in the updatable apps will it? Jan 18 00:10:58 it won't Jan 18 00:11:18 unless a repo will provide a newer version of the same package Jan 18 00:11:41 lcuk_2, same if you would just install a .deb with dpkg -i in normal debian-based distro Jan 18 00:12:18 wtf Jan 18 00:12:20 what sucks Jan 18 00:12:27 eh that Jan 18 00:12:54 that means a lot - i am not a linux ninja. i am just starting Jan 18 00:13:43 LinuxCode, why would it suck? Jan 18 00:13:53 how would apt know which place to search for the new package? Jan 18 00:14:10 are you telling me if you install stuff via dpkg it wont stick it in the package database ? Jan 18 00:14:15 it will Jan 18 00:14:18 ok Jan 18 00:14:23 that wasn't the question I think Jan 18 00:14:23 then i misunderstood Jan 18 00:14:27 sorry Jan 18 00:14:30 maybe I did, lcuk_2? Jan 18 00:14:50 so lets be clear Jan 18 00:14:56 lcuk_2, dpkg is the command line tool to install packages :-). -i = install from .deb file. so something like dpkg -i foobar.deb Jan 18 00:15:07 lcuk_2, if you dpkg -i xxx.deb. it keeps the package name in the database Jan 18 00:15:16 ive had a problem with auto updating app, i am manually installing the older version and posting a bug fix if it works, but i want the app to auto update after they fix it Jan 18 00:15:27 yes i think it is because its listed for uninstall Jan 18 00:15:31 lcuk_2, use apt-get Jan 18 00:15:41 the Nxxxupdater sucks Jan 18 00:15:41 lcuk_2, that should be fine if you install the fixed version from a repo later Jan 18 00:15:50 can i get a specific version with apt-get? Jan 18 00:16:01 that I do not know Jan 18 00:16:02 assuming that the specific version is available in the repo, yes Jan 18 00:16:10 now thats a good feature Jan 18 00:16:14 from the looks of things its not... Jan 18 00:16:15 but normally older versions are removed automatically when a new version is released Jan 18 00:16:17 wish yum had that Jan 18 00:16:38 * LinuxCode fancies something sweet Jan 18 00:16:46 at least AFAIR, haven't installed specific versions for ages Jan 18 00:16:48 ive got 2/3 of the dependents it lists (by using google cache to get the filenames and used their tree) Jan 18 00:16:53 but I seem to remember that it works quite ok Jan 18 00:17:03 they are stupid, they have obsolete versions listed, but the last few are gone Jan 18 00:17:05 * LinuxCode ponders to raid his German chocoloate supplies Jan 18 00:17:11 CHOCOLATE Jan 18 00:17:23 thanks Jan 18 00:17:33 * lcuk_2 grabbed a galaxy Jan 18 00:17:43 * czr drinks some green tea Jan 18 00:17:55 lcuk_2, if you ever see Ritter Sport chocolate Jan 18 00:18:01 no Jan 18 00:18:02 its german chocolate...buy some! Jan 18 00:18:25 we Brits are being ripped off Jan 18 00:18:34 half of our chocolate is veg fat Jan 18 00:18:42 in germany they use cocoa butter Jan 18 00:19:15 they sell it in House of frasier in cardiff Jan 18 00:19:22 in the deli sweets place Jan 18 00:19:35 lol Jan 18 00:19:45 my brother lives in Germany..he sent me some for x-mas Jan 18 00:19:48 <--- addict Jan 18 00:19:55 brb Jan 18 00:22:26 mmmm Jan 18 00:23:05 semi-dark chocolate with mousse au chocolat Jan 18 00:25:01 :O it is a bug in fbreader - i (somehow) managed to get the 8.1 version downloaded and installed and it works again Jan 18 00:25:42 * lcuk_2 gives 8.11 a scornfull look and sends it to its room Jan 18 00:25:59 0.^ Jan 18 00:26:23 I am a cocoa addicted too Jan 18 00:26:43 my favoure is dark chocolate from Lindt (Swiss) Jan 18 00:26:53 70% or 85% of pure delight ;) Jan 18 00:27:53 Tama^2, sounds like you are a girl Jan 18 00:28:03 chocolate addicts usually = female Jan 18 00:28:15 * LinuxCode keeps women away from his supplies Jan 18 00:28:21 ;-p Jan 18 00:28:24 true, true but I am not a girl Jan 18 00:28:34 pitty Jan 18 00:28:43 * LinuxCode always likes female linux users Jan 18 00:28:50 need more of them Jan 18 00:40:47 why? Jan 18 00:41:05 why would anyone care whether linux users are men or female anyway? Jan 18 00:42:00 czr, I do because it means the more equal the percentage of users is...the more mainstream it will be Jan 18 00:42:04 because women who use linux are cool Jan 18 00:42:18 czr, I also want kids to use it Jan 18 00:42:27 LinuxCode, no. the ratio of users using linux versus other systems is the only factor that decides whether it's mainstream or not. Jan 18 00:42:29 kids is probably more important than any adult Jan 18 00:42:39 czr, agreed Jan 18 00:42:43 i keep scaring my eldest by threating to put linux on his DS Jan 18 00:42:53 heh Jan 18 00:42:53 but if theres an equal percentage it means its closer ot being mainstream Jan 18 00:43:06 I got so bored with the DS that I took mine apart and left it like that. Jan 18 00:43:10 LinuxCode, does it? I think you cannot prove this :-) Jan 18 00:43:20 Indeed sir Jan 18 00:43:22 I cannot Jan 18 00:43:31 when I can...I will be happy Jan 18 00:43:35 ;-D Jan 18 00:43:37 * czr will be happy too Jan 18 00:43:41 There's more women than you think. Jan 18 00:43:45 mainstream != equal male/female participation Jan 18 00:43:53 I'd just like more women to start doing serious computer work so that work environments would be more balanced Jan 18 00:44:02 czr, agreed Jan 18 00:44:02 although ours isn't so bad infact. Jan 18 00:44:14 its better for the work environment too Jan 18 00:44:22 Just that so many women get hit on like crazy when they out themselves because of other guys going "OOOH, SHE LIKES LINUX, LET ME SEE IF SHE WILL TOUCH MY LEELEE" that they don't want to bother. Jan 18 00:44:26 tbh University puts people off Jan 18 00:44:31 specially girls in the UK Jan 18 00:44:33 ;-| Jan 18 00:44:37 zerojay, indeed Jan 18 00:44:45 zerojay, and it's not even linux-related Jan 18 00:45:00 LinuxCode, I blame the parents Jan 18 00:45:05 I always blame the parents Jan 18 00:46:00 when I started my polytech thingy, there was 32 of us. 2 women. Jan 18 00:46:12 and that's more or less the ratio that the program had for most years Jan 18 00:46:19 And I bet those two were constantly hit on. Jan 18 00:46:31 zerojay, well. only one actually. Jan 18 00:46:50 czr, tbh i think that ratio still applies Jan 18 00:46:50 The other one was hitting on that one too then. :) Jan 18 00:46:51 ;-| Jan 18 00:47:02 zerojay, I doubt it :-) Jan 18 00:47:22 one of the women might have been called derek if she had enrolled the year before Jan 18 00:47:48 that's closer to the truth Jan 18 00:48:12 hahaha Jan 18 00:48:14 loool Jan 18 00:48:20 * LinuxCode hits lcuk_2 Jan 18 00:48:22 rofl Jan 18 00:48:33 I almost spat coke on my keyboard Jan 18 00:48:49 you should spit it on lcuk_2's keyboard instead, since he's the real culprit Jan 18 00:49:05 * czr adds /dcc spit to all irc client codebases quickly Jan 18 00:49:41 is that compiled alongside "stabuserineye.mod"? Jan 18 00:50:55 lool Jan 18 00:52:28 :D:D:D:D Jan 18 00:52:40 finally got fbreader working and restored my settings Jan 18 00:53:00 * lcuk_2 is thankful he backed them up before resetting to default Jan 18 00:53:44 There aren't THAT many settings in FBReader. :P Jan 18 00:53:51 zerojay, you get your N810 ordered? Jan 18 00:53:58 No. Jan 18 00:54:03 But it's my fault. Jan 18 00:54:16 My code appeared to work. Jan 18 00:54:17 no gen, but the latest update completely killed practically every book i was reading Jan 18 00:54:33 But my credit card's maxed out... so... yeah. Jan 18 00:54:56 Hehe Jan 18 00:54:58 I don't think Nokia accepts anything else except a credit card that has a billing address that matches the shipping address. So. Jan 18 00:55:01 If you'd stop buying so much porn . . . Jan 18 00:55:23 So anyways, I'm pretty much screwed. Jan 18 00:56:28 you can always try again next month Jan 18 00:57:39 zero, which device have you got at the moment Jan 18 00:57:52 N800. Jan 18 00:58:09 hi, on OS 2006 I had connectivity_preload.sh , how can I force to start the connection OS 2008 at boot ? Jan 18 00:58:25 It does it automatically. Jan 18 00:58:44 If you have it set to connect automatically. Jan 18 00:59:13 zerojay: thanks, where can I set the connection autostart in OS2008 ? Jan 18 00:59:28 It's not really connect on boot. Jan 18 00:59:40 But it will try to connect once it boots up. Jan 18 00:59:57 benno, click the connection notification icon and click "connectivity settings" Jan 18 01:00:01 Yep. Jan 18 01:00:54 thanks I already have connect automatically WLAN connections Jan 18 01:00:56 but it does not work Jan 18 01:01:03 It does. Jan 18 01:01:13 whats search interval Jan 18 01:01:19 is it never? Jan 18 01:01:28 I have vnc started in the real_af_init_script, at the end of script. but it says cannot connect. Jan 18 01:01:32 search interval 10min Jan 18 01:01:34 Yeah, if you have it set to never, it won't connect. Jan 18 01:01:47 Well, it should connect sometime between boot and 10 minutes later then. Jan 18 01:02:43 I need it immediately because I have a vnc client which opens the screen immediately Jan 18 01:02:58 You'll have to work it out yourself then. Jan 18 01:03:01 anyone managed to build a glx enabled xserver for os2008 (mesa)? Jan 18 01:03:06 does an application have to inform osso if it wants internet or should accessing an address attempt to connect Jan 18 01:03:35 j0tt: You want to run a glx enabled X on a tablet that has no 3d acceleration? Jan 18 01:03:39 zerojay: under OS 2006 I called source /usr/bin/connectivity_preload.sh and afterwards vncviewer and it worked well. now on OS2008 connectivity_preload.sh is missing Jan 18 01:03:47 zerojay: yes! :) Jan 18 01:03:59 benno2__: Maybe a dbus call will do it. Jan 18 01:04:06 j0tt: You like slideshows? Jan 18 01:04:51 zerojay: i don't want to play quake 3, but do some mathematical visualizations. Jan 18 01:05:00 j0tt: Move along. Jan 18 01:05:30 j0tt: This isn't the hardware you're looking for. *jedi hand wave* Jan 18 01:05:32 so, yes low framerates are acceptable Jan 18 01:05:50 zerojay: thanks. is this dbus stuff documented ? Jan 18 01:06:05 benno2__: Look in the SDK and dev materials. Jan 18 01:06:11 thanks Jan 18 01:06:21 j0tt: What's your idea of "low"? Jan 18 01:06:40 0.25-5 fps Jan 18 01:06:54 You'd be lucky if you got even that much. Jan 18 01:06:56 you'd probably be much better off with a software gl lib Jan 18 01:07:06 mesa in sw mode or something should be completely plausible Jan 18 01:07:28 a glx enabled xserver without hw accelration is mesa sw mode :) Jan 18 01:07:50 well, you can also use mesa-sw directly Jan 18 01:07:54 not bothering the X server at all Jan 18 01:08:01 i could indeed.. Jan 18 01:08:11 probably easier in your case Jan 18 01:08:13 j0tt: But it isn't. Well, ok, maybe I lie. A server configured for HW accel which falls back to SW is typically significantly slower than a server configured for pure sw Jan 18 01:08:20 but ITs are there to "bother" :) Jan 18 01:08:25 but that may be an artifact of the hw drivers of whatever kind I was dealing with Jan 18 01:10:04 i think it should not be that hard to get this running.. for now i only get the http://xkcd.org/371/ :) Jan 18 01:10:13 just wondered if anyone else played around with it.. Jan 18 01:11:47 are the changes nokia made to the xserver significant? or would a vanilla xserver run? Jan 18 01:15:25 jott, for some indepth insight into framebuffer coding this thread is a great place to start: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view;post=19711;list=maemo Jan 18 01:15:41 lcuk_2: thanks, i'll have a look Jan 18 02:04:54 http://selbst-schuld.3-a.net/?go=76cc588619e Jan 18 02:17:25 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> I have a 770, and I dont' have sound, it's _not_ on mute... and the volume is up. I recently added a 2gig mem card to it... Jan 18 02:17:43 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> I've restarted it, by holding down the power, and booting up again... still no sound. Jan 18 02:17:47 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> anyone got any other ideas? Jan 18 02:18:01 check if the module is loaded Jan 18 02:18:17 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> how do I check? Jan 18 02:18:22 lsmod.. Jan 18 02:18:56 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> in xterm no lsmod. "sh: lsmod: not found" Jan 18 02:19:05 gotta be root Jan 18 02:19:20 ohh wait! Jan 18 02:19:27 its embedded linux Jan 18 02:19:27 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> su, doesn't give me root either. doh... I'm such a newb... this 770's been sitting on my desk way too long. Jan 18 02:19:28 lol Jan 18 02:19:51 hi Jan 18 02:20:01 hmm Jan 18 02:20:07 no modinfo Jan 18 02:20:11 not very helpful Jan 18 02:20:26 I was considering buying a PDA, but I'm in doubt between an iPaq 111 and a Nokia N800 Jan 18 02:20:26 [1]a-l-p-h-a, theres something called gainroot Jan 18 02:20:27 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> no modinfo Jan 18 02:20:34 sudo gainroot when installed Jan 18 02:20:54 Xamusk, linux user ? Jan 18 02:21:09 LinuxCode, yes Jan 18 02:21:11 Xamusk, depends entirely on your use case. For me as a linux guy, the tablets have no competitors. Jan 18 02:21:21 Id second that Jan 18 02:21:31 however, id buy a N810 Jan 18 02:21:34 not a N800 Jan 18 02:21:39 yet, I still need a calendar with alarm or something like that Jan 18 02:21:47 Xamusk, gpe Jan 18 02:21:53 its in the maemo test repo Jan 18 02:21:55 N810 is more expensife than I can afford Jan 18 02:21:55 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> I'm thinking a ipod touch when they have 32gigs. Jan 18 02:22:05 also syncable with evolution Jan 18 02:22:27 Xamusk, save a bit longer Jan 18 02:22:32 its worth it Jan 18 02:22:42 the keyboard is worth gold Jan 18 02:22:47 LinuxCode, for a GPS, a keyboard an no SD slot? Jan 18 02:22:47 If i were buying, I'd get a n800 with bluetooth keyboard. Jan 18 02:22:49 + its smaller Jan 18 02:22:55 it has got one SD slot Jan 18 02:22:59 micro-sd Jan 18 02:23:07 N810 is crappy Jan 18 02:23:12 LIES Jan 18 02:23:12 N800 is cheaper and better. :P Jan 18 02:23:13 lol Jan 18 02:23:23 I agree the N800 is better Jan 18 02:23:41 ok so who of you lot owns both ? Jan 18 02:23:44 lol Jan 18 02:23:44 micro-sd is not SD Jan 18 02:23:46 ;-p Jan 18 02:23:53 Xamusk, I know... Jan 18 02:23:55 so ? Jan 18 02:24:15 Xamusk, buy a N800 then Jan 18 02:24:20 better than ipaq any day Jan 18 02:24:48 N810 might be better if there were actually any price competition Jan 18 02:24:48 so, it would be my only device for wich I'd have to buy micro-sd and my sd cards would be useless Jan 18 02:24:56 so ? Jan 18 02:24:57 but as it is, you can get two N800s for the price of an N810. Jan 18 02:25:09 indeed Jan 18 02:25:19 GeneralAntilles, onlybecause they are getting rid of the old model Jan 18 02:25:25 what is the highest capacity of a micro-sd? 2gb? do they have 32gb sd cards yet? Jan 18 02:25:27 Doesn't matter Jan 18 02:25:31 The reality is price Jan 18 02:25:37 ryoohki, 8GB Jan 18 02:25:40 ryoohki, 2048GB Jan 18 02:25:46 in shops Jan 18 02:25:46 i have 4GB class 6 kingston mini-sd in my N810 - 22 euro Jan 18 02:26:10 even if I sold my gps, it would not cover the cost difference Jan 18 02:26:20 tbh anything beyond 8GB..I wouldnt know what ya would need more for Jan 18 02:26:45 Xamusk, not my money Jan 18 02:26:52 Xamusk, your decision to make Jan 18 02:26:59 indeed Jan 18 02:27:05 just saying tha I played with both..and bought a N810 Jan 18 02:27:15 and Im more than happy Jan 18 02:27:28 I will be over the moon when my build environment is up Jan 18 02:27:37 and i have had a chance to check out fedoras progress Jan 18 02:27:40 LinuxCode, you lack imagination. :P Jan 18 02:27:52 My music library is 220GB Jan 18 02:27:59 Movies are another 600GB Jan 18 02:28:01 GeneralAntilles, mine is 1TB Jan 18 02:28:04 lol Jan 18 02:28:12 GeneralAntilles: huh? Jan 18 02:28:18 I dont need to drag 1TB os music around with me Jan 18 02:28:22 of Jan 18 02:28:23 How can you not see what you would use more than 8GB of storage for? Jan 18 02:28:24 so, as the cost of the ipaq is nearer to the n800, I'm considering those two Jan 18 02:28:36 WinMob sucks, Xamusk. Jan 18 02:28:39 does the n810 have twice the ram as the n800? a faster cpu? the same video camera? Jan 18 02:28:40 GeneralAntilles, id use my old ipod Jan 18 02:28:58 LinuxCode, toss in GPS maps for "Map" and maemo mapper Jan 18 02:29:00 ScummVM games Jan 18 02:29:02 ebooks Jan 18 02:29:09 pictures Jan 18 02:29:14 it's damn easy to fill up a measly 8GB Jan 18 02:29:19 hehe Jan 18 02:29:23 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> LinuxCode, lsmod shows two lines... a cx3110x and a uman. Jan 18 02:29:26 GeneralAntilles, I know, but there are some things to consider Jan 18 02:29:31 I was a palm user till now Jan 18 02:29:41 but I specially like reading ebooks Jan 18 02:29:48 i have a 16gb sd card - it was cheap and i see 32gb cf cards for cheap too Jan 18 02:29:49 I've got about 4GB of ebooks. Jan 18 02:30:01 [1]a-l-p-h-a, Ive got a N810 Jan 18 02:30:03 oh, my collection is much smaller Jan 18 02:30:03 but can you read them at the same time? Jan 18 02:30:09 but I also have them + one other Jan 18 02:30:16 but thats a disc module im sure Jan 18 02:30:28 but anyway, I need to know how the battery goes for book reading Jan 18 02:30:29 i have vnc for when my mobile library does not cope Jan 18 02:30:42 Xamusk, like, forever. Jan 18 02:30:42 lcuk_2, rsync Jan 18 02:30:42 and I must have a good calendar with alarm Jan 18 02:30:44 ;-D Jan 18 02:30:47 <3 rsync Jan 18 02:30:51 xam, i read every night Jan 18 02:30:57 Just stick to regular charging cycles Jan 18 02:31:06 You'd probably get 10 hours out of it reading an ebook at low brightness Jan 18 02:31:10 Xamusk, the battery is awesome Jan 18 02:31:22 not that I really need to sync the calendar to my desktop, but I must be able to write to it fast and it must have an alarm Jan 18 02:31:25 * lcuk_2 has had niggles with his battery Jan 18 02:31:25 I was on wireless + display on for at least 4 hours yesterday Jan 18 02:31:28 the need to make a iscsi over bluetooth low power 500gb hd drive for peoples backpacks Jan 18 02:31:39 and I read that the n800's calendar sucks Jan 18 02:31:53 but google's Jan 18 02:31:56 Xamusk, N810 didnt have a calendar Jan 18 02:31:56 ryoohki, sounds like a good way to ruin an HD Jan 18 02:31:57 shit missed Jan 18 02:32:03 Xamusk, installed gpe..im happy now Jan 18 02:32:05 GPE Jan 18 02:32:07 Pimlico Jan 18 02:32:15 We don't exactly lack options. Jan 18 02:32:23 adn as I said...gpe is syncable with evolution Jan 18 02:32:43 just have to set the password for the user so it can ssh in Jan 18 02:32:46 GPE used to be a whole OS... do I have to overwrite nokia's os? Jan 18 02:33:00 ryoohki, you'd have to do something like that with solid-state. Jan 18 02:33:01 or I just add it's packages? Jan 18 02:33:18 It's just 5 applications. Jan 18 02:33:52 bois, bootloader, kernel, shell, calendar ;) Jan 18 02:33:56 oh, I like ssh :D Jan 18 02:34:32 i still don't have synergy working on the n810 yet - no kbd input working Jan 18 02:35:01 what synergy ? Jan 18 02:35:04 whats Jan 18 02:35:19 Google. :P Jan 18 02:35:24 It's like VNC Jan 18 02:35:28 but you use the device's screen. Jan 18 02:35:42 Sorta turns another machine into a second (or fifth :P) monitor. Jan 18 02:35:59 * LinuxCode is intruiged Jan 18 02:36:00 Network KVM Jan 18 02:36:09 ohh wait..I have heard about it Jan 18 02:36:18 Im sure I even bookmarked Jan 18 02:36:54 http://youtube.com/watch?v=RNlVrqtBHq4 Jan 18 02:37:48 it's the perfect solution when testing stuff on the device at your desk Jan 18 02:37:56 hey Jan 18 02:38:02 just move the mouse down off screen and your mouse/keyboard controls the tablet Jan 18 02:38:07 any devs in here? Jan 18 02:38:26 dospod, the better strategy is to just ask your question. :P Jan 18 02:38:44 GeneralAntilles, that was his question Jan 18 02:38:44 lol Jan 18 02:38:49 hes used his ratio for today Jan 18 02:38:53 ;-p Jan 18 02:38:59 NEXT! Jan 18 02:39:01 lol Jan 18 02:39:03 ;-D Jan 18 02:39:04 ok well i saw some kid playing a tycoon game on his ipod touch Jan 18 02:39:07 and it looked stable Jan 18 02:39:17 so i looked up ipod touch homebrew Jan 18 02:39:23 and I found the site of the game he wa splaying Jan 18 02:39:33 and I was wondering why nobody else has ported it to maemo Jan 18 02:39:43 http://zodttd.com/wp/?p=21 homebrew page Jan 18 02:39:46 Because porting games takes time and energy? Jan 18 02:39:49 game was running smooth Jan 18 02:39:58 ipod touch has been out less time than the n800 Jan 18 02:40:03 OpenTTD has been ported. Jan 18 02:40:12 seriously? Jan 18 02:40:22 It was running on the 770. Jan 18 02:40:26 ok Jan 18 02:40:27 * lcuk_2 waits for the inevitable, but framerate sucks Jan 18 02:40:29 but uhm Jan 18 02:40:35 There's a thread on ITT. Jan 18 02:40:42 what about os 2008 or os 2007 Jan 18 02:40:43 I haven't bothered to try it since the 770. Jan 18 02:40:45 Ran fine on there. Jan 18 02:40:56 slower gfx on 8x0 tho isnt it Jan 18 02:41:08 dospod, try freeciv if you're jonesing. Jan 18 02:41:10 only for high framerate games, not strategy/sims Jan 18 02:41:31 lcuk_2, the N8x0 can run Quake, the 770 can't. ;) Jan 18 02:41:49 also doom Jan 18 02:41:50 is freeciv stable? Jan 18 02:41:50 lcuk_2: i run quake on 770 Jan 18 02:41:51 Well, not well, anyway. Jan 18 02:41:55 I played doom Jan 18 02:42:00 Works fine over here, dospod. Jan 18 02:42:01 bit odd to play but it works Jan 18 02:42:03 There's a thread on ITT. Jan 18 02:42:03 ;-D Jan 18 02:42:03 doom runs well on 810 Jan 18 02:42:14 freeciv ? Jan 18 02:42:17 are you on os 2008? Jan 18 02:42:18 The controls for Quake on the N8x0 are really good. Jan 18 02:42:19 ;-D Jan 18 02:42:37 Mouse-look with the touchscreen Jan 18 02:42:41 movement with the d-pad Jan 18 02:42:50 Better than a damn DS Jan 18 02:43:22 by the way, that's another thing to consider: the iPaq has a faster processor than the N8x0 Jan 18 02:43:55 xscale? Jan 18 02:44:07 ipaq is using *sob* 3d hardware (xscale+powervr) as well i gather... Jan 18 02:44:26 yes but those xscales are an older ARM core than the OMAP2420's Jan 18 02:44:32 Xamusk, WinMob is the worst. Jan 18 02:44:47 New/ Fast Marvell PXA310 Processor at 624MHz Jan 18 02:45:09 you cant directly compare Lhz to Mhz Jan 18 02:45:17 ^ Jan 18 02:45:43 it's triple the clock, but clock is never a good comparison between different processors Jan 18 02:45:53 Triple? Jan 18 02:46:02 Where'd you get that number? Jan 18 02:46:18 triple, *1.3, whatever ;-) Jan 18 02:46:28 ops Jan 18 02:46:29 double Jan 18 02:46:30 lol Jan 18 02:46:33 errm Jan 18 02:46:36 double, 1.3x, whatever Jan 18 02:46:41 * LinuxCode sends you all back to Maths for beginners Jan 18 02:46:45 damn Jan 18 02:46:48 400 x 2 is 800MHz Jan 18 02:46:54 x2? Jan 18 02:47:03 x2 = double Jan 18 02:47:05 "double" Jan 18 02:47:05 lol Jan 18 02:47:05 lol @ slipped and typed a triple instead of a double ;) Jan 18 02:47:13 330 MHz TI OMAP 2420 Jan 18 02:47:13 lcuk_2, haha Jan 18 02:47:17 oh, the n810 is only 400? Jan 18 02:47:23 Xamusk, it's 400MHz Jan 18 02:47:25 I thought it was 4-something Jan 18 02:47:29 I don't remember from where I was thinking about 200Mhz Jan 18 02:47:30 ceil(624/400); ;-) Jan 18 02:47:31 They have the same damn CPU. Jan 18 02:47:34 elb, 401Mhz Jan 18 02:47:37 Xamusk, 770 Jan 18 02:47:40 I made it faster just for you Jan 18 02:47:42 lol Jan 18 02:47:43 j/k Jan 18 02:47:45 the 800 is 330Mhz Jan 18 02:47:51 The 800 is 400MHz Jan 18 02:47:53 wrong Jan 18 02:47:55 Xamusk: no, it's the same as the n810 Jan 18 02:47:56 You want to argue with me about this? :P Jan 18 02:47:56 400 Jan 18 02:47:56 i thought the 800 is 400mhz Jan 18 02:48:09 then someone must change the wikipedia article Jan 18 02:48:14 dospod, correct Jan 18 02:48:17 if an 800 is 400 then why are there wookies on endor? Jan 18 02:48:21 huh, wikipedia is wrong, shock of SHOCKS Jan 18 02:48:34 the n800 shipped at 330mhz Jan 18 02:48:44 the OS2008 upgrade unlocks 400mhz clock Jan 18 02:48:54 software clocking does throw a real wrench into getting tech specs right Jan 18 02:48:59 but still ... wikipedia Jan 18 02:49:00 anyone have uinput.ko handy? Jan 18 02:49:01 what pupnik said is what i heard Jan 18 02:49:03 Well, allows it to scale between 165MHz and 400MHz Jan 18 02:49:06 for 2008os Jan 18 02:49:11 nokia did what sony did with the psp Jan 18 02:49:27 ship it with 233 clock speed but allowed it to go full speed if needed to at 333mhz Jan 18 02:49:28 no it didnt Jan 18 02:49:43 remember, the 330 to 400 mhz jump LOWERED the speed of the dsp Jan 18 02:49:49 right Jan 18 02:49:54 its swings and roundabouts Jan 18 02:49:58 as in they both underclocked cpu on purpose Jan 18 02:50:09 it's part of OMAP's dynamic clocking / power handling capability Jan 18 02:50:23 Processor: OMAP2420 microprocessor at 330 MHz. Underclocked, runs at the native 400 Mhz with the latest (2008) fimware upgrade.(DSP speed will be halved) Jan 18 02:51:10 they must have decided that the dsp needed more grunt on os2007, but come os2008 and the 810 the CPU speed was more important whilst the DSP was underused Jan 18 02:51:13 i love these old bad movies on publicdomaintorrents.com Jan 18 02:51:22 lcuk_2, no. Jan 18 02:51:33 go on then Jan 18 02:51:35 It scales between 165MHz to 400MHz Jan 18 02:51:38 For the CPU Jan 18 02:51:45 DSP scales with it Jan 18 02:51:51 GeneralAntilles, is that configurable? Jan 18 02:52:02 For highly-intensive DSP tasks, the CPU will run at 330MHz Jan 18 02:52:07 allowing the DSP to run at full speed. Jan 18 02:52:17 it's all about power management Jan 18 02:52:30 GeneralAntilles, I was thinking about underclocking everything to improve battery life Jan 18 02:52:31 Xamusk, it's not something you need to worry about. Jan 18 02:52:39 It's called "race to idle" Xamusk. Jan 18 02:52:49 yer, which is why we cannot speed down the motorway with our stereos on - we either go slowly and have it loud or speed up quietly ;) Jan 18 02:52:51 The N8x0 knows what it's doing. Jan 18 02:52:56 Xamusk: for the most part, you don't want to do that, because of the way processors consume power Jan 18 02:53:28 because when I had my palm m100 I could get one week without changing batteries and I have to recharge my TX after one day Jan 18 02:53:45 Xamusk: you want to cut your processor speed to a level that balances speed transitions with making clock speed available for tasks which need it Jan 18 02:53:47 A task will take more time to complete at a lower clock cycle, and basically consume the same amount of power as if the task were completed sooner at a faster clock cycle. Jan 18 02:54:14 M100 didn't have a backlight . . . Jan 18 02:54:22 on the ARM, clock transitions are probably less painful than on more complicated processors, but still Jan 18 02:54:24 right, im goin snoozin, nite Jan 18 02:54:33 nn mate Jan 18 02:55:08 Xamusk: and with the Palm, keep in mind that they are *aggressively* shut down, regardless of clock speed Jan 18 02:55:17 the display is most of their power drain under normal operating conditions Jan 18 02:55:19 :) Jan 18 02:55:35 when you're sitting there looking at your schedule or whatever, the processor could be completely asleep and powered down Jan 18 02:55:40 the largest minisd i could find was 8gb. anyone hear of any larger than 8gb? are they making 32gb sdhc cards yet? Jan 18 02:55:47 indeed, but the n800 does have a backlight, and that's why I'm concerned with battery life Jan 18 02:56:05 I get 4-5 hours heavy use Jan 18 02:56:13 idles for about 5 days with wifi Jan 18 02:56:21 6-10 hours light use Jan 18 02:56:27 http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/1184097560.html Jan 18 02:56:52 I've never gotten 4-5 hours of heavy use. Jan 18 02:57:02 Maybe 2-3 if i'm lucky. Jan 18 02:57:37 GeneralAntilles: would "light use" include, for example, simply reading a document? Jan 18 02:57:49 I want a lot of time on, without wifi, basically to read Jan 18 02:57:50 Yes. Jan 18 02:57:54 fantastic Jan 18 02:57:56 10 hours Jan 18 02:58:01 Low backlight, reading. Jan 18 02:58:01 I intend to do a lot of that Jan 18 02:58:15 and I hope to be able to take advantage of the transflective display Jan 18 02:58:19 to cut the backlight entirely Jan 18 02:58:36 assuming I can ever actually order my device ;-) Jan 18 02:58:40 Eh, I prefer backlight level 1 without any other lights on. Jan 18 02:59:09 <[1]a-l-p-h-a> LinuxCode, power plugged in causes no sound. Jan 18 02:59:25 well, we'll see what I prefer when the device actually arrives Jan 18 02:59:34 by the way, I've read that n8x0 won't charge by the usb cable Jan 18 02:59:39 is this real? Jan 18 02:59:40 like I said, I'm *hoping* to be happy with reflected light Jan 18 02:59:44 I don't think the transflective is gonna cut it without sun-level lighting. Jan 18 02:59:51 Xamusk, yes. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 18 02:59:57 2008