**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 26 02:59:57 2008 Jan 26 03:15:59 so it looks like dsme handles battery charging? Jan 26 03:16:22 this will make things much more interesting :| Jan 26 03:16:33 Hehe Jan 26 03:16:58 the best part is that it's closed source Jan 26 03:16:59 Somebody should get the Scientology guys to go raid Nokia for the sources. Jan 26 03:17:18 Why they keep some of the crap they do closed source, I'll never guess. Jan 26 03:17:25 It's like they had a lottery. Jan 26 03:17:28 probably NDAs or something Jan 26 03:18:03 I just expected since that since charging was working it was part of the kernel ... like on any sane Linux system Jan 26 03:18:53 * johnx bangs his head on the table Jan 26 03:19:07 maybe they *really, really* don't want anyone running another distro Jan 26 03:19:21 Apple Iphone is closed source Jan 26 03:21:13 pupnik, your point? :P Jan 26 03:21:18 and it's "iPhone" :P Jan 26 03:21:46 i'm too tired to have a point. i'm obtuse Jan 26 03:23:17 ah, well maybe I'll see how feasible it is to setup a wrapper around dsme that can be adapted :/ Jan 26 03:23:43 you got wifi working johnx ? Jan 26 03:23:47 yeah Jan 26 03:23:49 works great Jan 26 03:23:58 wpasupplicant, kismet, everything :D Jan 26 03:24:01 does the driver ha Jan 26 03:24:02 ah Jan 26 03:24:24 770 or 800? Jan 26 03:24:29 800 Jan 26 03:24:38 ask b0unc3 about the 770 or search the logs Jan 26 03:24:38 wondeirng if the module could be used to help maemo wifi Jan 26 03:24:48 it's the same module Jan 26 03:24:53 k Jan 26 03:24:53 I'm using Nokia's kernel Jan 26 03:25:22 there's one patch to enable wireless extension 18+ that lets wpa-supplicant work Jan 26 03:26:08 since you're using same kernel, maybe dual-boot is doable Jan 26 03:26:17 I am dual booting Jan 26 03:26:22 that's one of the goals Jan 26 03:26:31 one of the requirements really Jan 26 03:26:40 great. looking forward to a torrent Jan 26 03:26:53 there's a direct download from two very fast servers Jan 26 03:27:00 even better :) Jan 26 03:27:13 http://www.internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian Jan 26 03:28:45 and here's the link to the wireless driver patch: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html Jan 26 03:32:27 * pupnik tries final fantasy 7 on n810 Jan 26 03:32:47 haha there's an appropriate join Jan 26 03:32:59 slow-motion Jan 26 03:34:56 anyone know if /sys/class/firmware/timeout does what I think it does? Jan 26 03:35:05 ie: adjust the watchdog timeout? Jan 26 03:36:58 heh...backlight control is stupidly easy Jan 26 03:37:14 at least dsme won't interfere there Jan 26 03:39:22 good morning Jan 26 03:39:30 mornin' Jan 26 03:42:26 pupnik: ff7 at 3spf? Jan 26 03:45:23 well suspend works too :D Jan 26 03:46:27 seems reliable and quick too! Jan 26 03:46:30 haha Jan 26 03:48:55 johnx is gonna take over the world with his Debian N800. Jan 26 03:49:09 darn right! Jan 26 03:50:03 well crap...I think the watchdog doesn't like suspend Jan 26 03:55:56 Does gtkmozembed that ship with os2008 support mathml? Jan 26 03:56:13 it seems to not be able to parse pages with mathml embedded correctly Jan 26 03:57:22 fysa: hey man, you just gotta slow yo mind down by 30x and then it seems fast Jan 26 04:12:55 I've got that. Jan 26 06:14:41 there is something really strange happening with 810 i have internet set to always ask, last night i manually closed all programs and disconnected. now this morning it is connected again. is there a way to log what migght be causing connection? Jan 26 06:16:58 lcuk: google talk or some cron job? Jan 26 06:17:29 no im configured, cron not installed Jan 26 06:17:39 it's really strange Jan 26 06:17:41 no email setup Jan 26 06:18:46 its only got power because i am charging, i think i need to monitor packets from desktop end Jan 26 06:19:47 ps? Jan 26 06:20:17 i made sure i disabled automatic check interval as well. whats ps? Jan 26 06:20:26 lol Jan 26 06:20:36 just type it Jan 26 06:20:52 mot here i take it Jan 26 06:23:28 right in the shell... ok, whichever app is there its getting past my setting of always ask. that means something bad ishappening Jan 26 06:24:33 lcuk, try to find the very one, that stays alive and calls mother earth Jan 26 06:24:55 ps is utility to list all running processes Jan 26 06:27:07 i just did the ps list, but its not really helpful since im looking for a needle in haystack. i have only installed xchat as additional network aware program no addittional media playersalive to scan etc Jan 26 06:27:49 have you seen some known app runnig there? Jan 26 06:28:07 if yes, kill -9 proc_number Jan 26 06:28:18 additional network aware program? Jan 26 06:28:29 shutdown -r now Jan 26 06:28:47 if survive that, it must be something in boot list Jan 26 06:29:31 lcuk, just let it idle overnight. :P Jan 26 06:29:36 It's not that battery-expensive. Jan 26 06:29:48 of course theres lots of normal programs, but what i need to see is which is breaking through osso config of "always ask user" connect automatically is set Jan 26 06:30:12 what's in "sudoers"? Jan 26 06:30:14 no gen, this is what drains battery. Jan 26 06:30:24 Leaving it connected, or letting it search? :P Jan 26 06:30:24 how do I get the big onscreen kb to come up on the n800 Jan 26 06:30:32 can i make that the default Jan 26 06:30:34 center d-pad, whooha. Jan 26 06:30:37 dunno how do i find out Jan 26 06:30:56 lcuk, the wifi powersaving is really good. Jan 26 06:30:56 shutdown -h now and wait Jan 26 06:31:00 no search interal "never" Jan 26 06:31:52 lcuk, you just _have_ to find daemon Jan 26 06:32:12 this is like windows dialup managing to get past username dialog and its fucked... Jan 26 06:32:35 if asks, not in sudo fine Jan 26 06:32:42 *file Jan 26 06:32:46 My bet is that the next upgrade will solve it. Jan 26 06:33:12 GA, would be fine to know now :) Jan 26 06:33:25 There's a thread or three on ITT about it. Jan 26 06:33:33 Haven't bothered to pay any attention to them, though. Jan 26 06:33:55 teh site with blondes on the beatch? Jan 26 06:34:56 so an app listed in sudoer would beableto bypass the ask for connection? what would happen if i had it setup to use my phone and expensive data as connect? Jan 26 06:35:17 yes to first Jan 26 06:35:27 It doesn't connect, does it? Jan 26 06:35:31 how do i list sudoers Jan 26 06:35:34 It should just bring up the search box. Jan 26 06:35:36 read it Jan 26 06:35:59 ys but i only have 1 connection configured i rfemovedc phone Jan 26 06:36:13 less /etc/sudoers Jan 26 06:36:21 grrr getiin on big box ... Jan 26 06:36:27 If something requests a network connection, it'll just bring up the wifi search box. Jan 26 06:36:44 It wont connect without user intervention. Jan 26 06:36:50 So, no, it wont use your cellular data. Jan 26 06:36:50 I dislike that behaveour Jan 26 06:37:12 right, ill ssh into box from here, its easier to type Jan 26 06:37:22 * zoran gone to feed dragons Jan 26 06:37:40 sometime last night without any user interaction the connection came alive. i 100% disconnected it and closed all visible apps Jan 26 06:39:21 less not found, i can just open in editor cant i Jan 26 06:39:36 Yeah Jan 26 06:39:38 or cat Jan 26 06:42:44 does anyone have a default sudoers list from base flash so i can compare? Jan 26 06:44:22 and even so, even a root app should not get through the connect dialog without intervention. that just screams as bad design? Jan 26 06:47:31 i think im gonna put my packet monitor on the windows desktop end and see whats coming over and go back to bed for a bit Jan 26 06:49:16 Hi Jan 26 06:50:19 back later guys, im gonna manualy disconnect again Jan 26 06:52:06 Is there a way to manually change the CPU speed (without using an sdl program or playing a video) in OS2008 ? Jan 26 06:52:21 I recompiled x48, it works, but it's really slow at the default speed... Jan 26 07:09:22 http://intr.overt.org/blog/?p=66 Jan 26 07:12:49 could help explain why OS2008 feels 'slower' Jan 26 07:13:27 thanks Jan 26 07:13:38 Finally, I found the way to force overlocking Jan 26 07:15:15 In a console : echo userspace > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 400000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq && echo 400000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq Jan 26 07:18:48 to return to "normal" mode, echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor && echo 165000 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq Jan 26 07:19:18 nice! Jan 26 07:19:36 can you force a slower speed? Jan 26 07:20:39 I think no, because /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies only lists "165000 266000 330000 400000", 165000 is the slowest Jan 26 07:25:13 ... but x48 is really slow too with 400Mhz... Jan 26 07:26:49 x48 is a calculator emulator? Jan 26 07:27:48 i would like to have a script monitor that data while the device sleeps to figure out how much email/rss kill battery. Jan 26 07:28:55 and there's no proc entry to show current freq? Jan 26 07:32:35 Is there som paint app for os2008? Jan 26 07:33:49 F6 is Fullscreen ? Jan 26 07:35:39 i think so Jan 26 07:36:46 x48 is an HP48 emulator Jan 26 07:38:32 (sorry...) Jan 26 07:38:42 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq shows you the current freq in kHz I think Jan 26 07:38:51 pupnik_, cpuinfo Jan 26 07:39:05 I have to go Jan 26 08:05:30 can I download hildon and matchbox sources ? Jan 26 08:05:43 the first real programming I did was on my HP48GX Jan 26 08:05:49 fun times Jan 26 08:31:43 where are psks stored? Jan 26 08:50:12 do you all use OS2008 right now? are there much advanteges to os2007 ? Jan 26 08:52:06 playbin in gstreamer, sip, higher MHz, better GPS support, Jan 26 08:52:47 and I think most developers are using it, so I think most of the new software comes mainly for 2008 Jan 26 08:53:28 okay, there is a stabil version right now, isn't it? Jan 26 08:54:38 whats very important for me..the ogg support..was on n800 with os2007 not the best. mp3s runs out of the box, ogg doenst. i was screaming the first days... Jan 26 08:55:14 ogg-support works better on 2008 Jan 26 08:55:28 even the built-in Media Player plays oggs somehow now Jan 26 08:55:43 okay, that sounds nice Jan 26 08:56:08 I'm the author of it, and I'm not testing on 2007 anymore.. Jan 26 08:56:18 and the 2008 seems pretty stable to me Jan 26 08:56:39 and maemo mapper works too? i use it helping the openstreetmap projekt, nearly every day. is very important Jan 26 08:57:47 I haven't tested the maemo mapper on 2008. I need that kind of application so little, that when I need it, I use the Map, that comes with the device Jan 26 08:58:07 i.e. the Navicore's (Waypoint's) free version of the Map Jan 26 08:58:51 s,Waypoint,Wayfinder, Jan 26 08:58:51 i dont know this Jan 26 08:59:18 http://www.navicoretech.com/Consumer/NewsEvents/news/fi_FI/n810_announce/ Jan 26 08:59:35 I wonder if using maemo-mapper or Waypoint is legal when doing openstreemap stuff Jan 26 08:59:47 maemo-mapper with google maps that is :p Jan 26 09:00:05 keesj: I'm pretty sure that using google's maps is illegal Jan 26 09:00:45 eichi_: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2008/01/24/ogg-support-issues/ Jan 26 09:01:18 me too. using openstreetmap with maemo mapper is much more nerdy ;) and you can make it more popular too, dont use evil google maps.. Jan 26 09:01:23 eichi_: there's a list of issues with the ogg-support on 2008. Although I already filed a new bug report about buggy meta infos.. Jan 26 09:01:51 eichi_: but you get the maps legally with the Map Jan 26 09:02:00 for free Jan 26 09:02:10 and for the Map, not for maemo mapper Jan 26 09:02:51 but before switching to 2008, see that the important apps for you are ported to it. Not nearly all are.. Jan 26 09:05:25 i know, but important for me is browser, pidgin, maemo mapper, calculator, maybe kagu with ogg... Jan 26 09:05:47 scummvm maybe Jan 26 09:06:22 there is no "cant life without" app ;) Jan 26 09:07:46 now last question: where can i get os2008 Jan 26 09:08:15 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php?f=RX-34_2008SE_1.2007.50-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Jan 26 09:09:17 im right, os2008 isnt under gpl? Jan 26 09:10:55 it has lots of components under (l)gpl licenses and lots of closed components Jan 26 09:14:34 hm okay Jan 26 09:14:47 i hope one day it will changed ;) but i think so Jan 26 09:16:00 there will always be closed components in Nokia's products.. :/ Jan 26 09:17:53 okay, then i have to wait for more like openmoko Jan 26 09:18:55 but the n8xx seems one of the best at the moment Jan 26 09:19:06 zaurus seems dead Jan 26 09:19:32 zaurus *is* dead Jan 26 09:20:53 thats wat i mean ;) Jan 26 10:52:00 hello Jan 26 10:52:33 is there an howto somewhere, which describes how i setup a repository for maemo apps? Jan 26 10:53:07 in case i want to provide an .install file for my app Jan 26 10:55:02 sikor_sxe: debian :) Jan 26 10:56:20 pheew. ok :) Jan 26 10:56:28 sikor_sxe: http://pastebin.com/m3138d104 Jan 26 10:56:38 that's how i used to have one for bora. Jan 26 10:56:46 is it easy to get your stuff into some semi-official maemo repo? Jan 26 10:56:52 I just needed to launch this after having put the package in the repo Jan 26 10:57:04 sikor_sxe: not that complicated. hold on Jan 26 10:57:39 sikor_sxe: it s actually a better idea to have your soft on extra rather than to build yet another third party repo Jan 26 10:58:07 http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html Jan 26 10:59:50 great, thanks Jan 26 11:04:10 hmm, xarchiver is currently beta Jan 26 11:04:46 it sure has some rough edges and might set a tablet on fire Jan 26 11:13:22 sikor_sxe: Yes, it's easy: http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html Jan 26 11:13:31 sikor_sxe: Please don't use some other random repository. Jan 26 11:14:24 i'd create my own Jan 26 11:14:29 no good idea? Jan 26 11:14:45 Please just use extras and save yourself and users the pain. Jan 26 11:15:49 sikor_sxe: if the problem is "it s not ready yet", you can push stuff only in a extra-devel sort of repo. Jan 26 11:16:00 and push it on the main extra one only once you feel it s ready. Jan 26 11:19:41 "The admins also select from existing garage users, but in order to ensure that you will receive the necessary rights you must have a "proven track record" as a maemo developer. It means that you have been programming and preparing good quality software(s) for maemo. Your packages are installable with the Application Manager and naturally they do not brick one's device after installing :)" Jan 26 11:20:05 i guess i do not have a "proven track record" Jan 26 11:25:59 mmm what is the difference between the N810 02701Z7 and thhe N810 02704N1 Jan 26 11:35:05 Hmm. maemo wiki is still b0rked. When accessing http://maemo.org/community/wiki/ I'm redirected to http://maemo.org/community/oldwiki/howto/ - does anyone else have the same problem? Jan 26 11:46:36 tableteer: I have the same behaviour yes Jan 26 11:47:33 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2801 Jan 26 11:48:00 tableteer: that was for you Jan 26 11:50:18 ah, thanks Jan 26 12:02:37 * lcuk rubs the sleep out of his eyes Jan 26 12:14:20 hmm, mentally restless, always a "fun" condition... Jan 26 12:15:14 tso, just try and setup a new app for maemo Jan 26 12:15:42 do a steve jobs and BOOM! here it comes Jan 26 12:16:03 hmm? Jan 26 12:16:22 im sat wondering about processes Jan 26 12:16:53 last night (at some point) either i am going mad and didnt disconnect my network, or some process started it back up without asking me. Jan 26 12:17:49 i asked about it when i was awoken earlier (ive been back to sleep) and some folks thought it might have been an app having enough priviledges to get onto the net without asking Jan 26 12:18:06 thats made my head spin because maemo has lots of active processes and daemons Jan 26 12:18:46 is there a database somewhere which given the maemo process name will indicate what it does and what it effects Jan 26 12:19:04 there are similar sites for windows apps (just try searching google for svchost.exe or something Jan 26 12:19:31 * lcuk wants a steve jobs app to tell him what evil programs are lurking on his machine Jan 26 12:21:49 anyone familiar with garage.maemo.org? Jan 26 12:22:05 i can't seem to get my homepage recognized Jan 26 12:22:35 i uploaded a www dir to svn root Jan 26 12:23:06 someone told me, this would be the way to activate the project homepage Jan 26 12:23:44 i do not recall having to do anything at all like that. Jan 26 12:24:06 well, what do you *have* to do then? Jan 26 12:24:16 where do i upload my hp? Jan 26 12:24:19 hmm, unless the device is in offline mode, anything should in theory be able to wake up the connection, if there is a "known" ap nearby... Jan 26 12:25:12 sikor_sxe: it s automatically generated , i do not know how..the main home page of the project is lcoated anywhere you want. Jan 26 12:25:14 tso, thats right, but connect automatically is set to "always ask" - at the very most i would expect it to have been on the select network dialog (no matter how much battery it drains) Jan 26 12:25:43 garage is just the svn repository+some tools such as bug /feature request crm, mailing lists and so on Jan 26 12:26:39 sikor_sxe: once you are loged in garage, go on the https://garage.maemo.org/projects/yourproject/ page (automatically generated) Jan 26 12:26:41 im gonna start looking through my process list and see what does what and where its expected to touch but it would be better as a shared web app so it can be expanded upon Jan 26 12:26:54 melmoth: there's some webspace for homepage, too Jan 26 12:26:56 i found it Jan 26 12:27:12 where, where ? :) Jan 26 12:27:25 ugh, starting to understand why people can get addicted to coffee in the morning... Jan 26 12:27:40 melmoth: http://.garage.maemo.org Jan 26 12:27:44 i tried to, but my youngest finished most of the milk Jan 26 12:28:04 i was tempted to pour some out of his breakfast, but coffee with rice crispies in wasnt appealing Jan 26 12:28:09 hey folks, glad to see some are awake here Jan 26 12:28:12 melmoth: and files get in by checking in stuff into svnroot/www Jan 26 12:28:18 lagged here, but it works ;^)> Jan 26 12:28:19 hi gim Jan 26 12:28:45 ohhh. interesting Jan 26 12:28:53 lcuk: instant pre-blends ;) (if that made any sense) Jan 26 12:29:08 as long as they include whitener they are ok Jan 26 12:29:23 got a question: I'm considering purchasing an N810, but I'd like to know if there'll be a reasonable possability that I could port SBCl [ http://www.sbcl.org ] to work on it. This, I know, is a complex question - it's more than a matter of porting a GTK app. any advice? Jan 26 12:30:12 gimmal: what about trying to install the sdk and trying to compile it ? Jan 26 12:30:44 For what it's worth, SBCL can use McCLIM for GUI stuff, which can use GTK for realizing the CLIM stuff. I'm loading the SBCL homepage, right now, to try to check about processor support, either Jan 26 12:31:48 melmoth: sounds like a good idea; I can give it a try, and if it don't, kick it 'til it will, hehe ;) Jan 26 12:32:46 N810 uses an ARM architecture, is it? Jan 26 12:32:51 yes Jan 26 12:33:12 gimmal, just reading up on it, it does its own bootstrapping and isnt built using gcc at all. and there isnt yet an armel port. Jan 26 12:33:24 from their page they say its possible (with big buts) Jan 26 12:33:26 It should be possible to port it to new CPU architectures, but it would be a lot of work: implementing all the CPU-dependent parts of the compiler backend for the new CPU. Jan 26 12:33:29 heh, i do look forward to when a web tablet comes along with a cortex based cpu under the hood :D Jan 26 12:33:42 i would be happy with x86 Jan 26 12:34:10 sikor_sxe: about the "proven track record". Just ask, please. Jan 26 12:34:10 gimmal, how comfortable are you with the operating of an armel processor? Jan 26 12:35:06 lcuk: heh, doing m' homework for me, hehe; fwiw, I'm a little familiar with those low-level parts of SBCl -- it's all up in ASM stuff, some ASM calls being ultimately represented as Common Lisp calls, per the given machine for a build Jan 26 12:35:11 it might be best to ask on the SBCL mailing list Jan 26 12:35:27 just a little familar; I've seen 'em, haven't had to dig into 'em Jan 26 12:36:03 lcuk: I'm pretty clueless when it comes to CPU-architecture-specific qualities, but I'm willing to take the time to learn, heh Jan 26 12:36:08 the base porting sounds a lot more indepth and would require intimate knowledge of both sides of the equation Jan 26 12:36:11 <|tbb|> hi all Jan 26 12:36:33 <|tbb|> anyone knows how to send a message to maemo desktop via dbus Jan 26 12:36:48 <|tbb|> btw dbus-send from script Jan 26 12:37:34 are there any binary plugins for gstreamer available? I need mp3 and divx support in scratchbox Jan 26 12:37:36 gimmal, ask the same question on the sbcl mailing list, because it might be enough for one of the guys there to say "hey, ive got an armel device/nokia nxx0 - ill give it a go" Jan 26 12:39:48 lcuk: yeah, asking those guys about arm support could be a good idea; could be long-shot that anyone there would have a Nokia device, but if I can generalize it enough, maybe someone will respond not unfavorably Jan 26 12:40:52 yer, if you specify its ARMEL code (Ti opac 2420 CPU) thats wanted someone might ping who would have just ignored a specific nokia request Jan 26 12:41:29 OMAP^ Jan 26 12:41:39 * lcuk takes off his 10 gallon hat Jan 26 12:42:21 ARMEL, ok Jan 26 12:42:46 http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?contentId=4671&navigationId=11990&templateId=6123 Jan 26 12:43:07 TI too -- might stir some folks up, there. TI used to be pretty heavily involved about Common Lisp, used to make at least one line of Lisp Machines Jan 26 12:43:50 good luck with it :) Jan 26 12:44:01 lcuk: thank you for this advice. May I inquire, furthermore, as for where a person could learn more about the type of processor/architecture in the N810 and the like? hey, nevermind ; thanks much Jan 26 12:45:24 Hey guys Jan 26 12:46:49 When doing a apt-get update, I get a whole bunch of "The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY " Jan 26 12:46:56 how can i get mp3 and divx support in chinnook? Jan 26 12:47:23 in other words, I don't have the pgp signatures of the servers I'm querying, anyone know where I can get those signatures ? I know how to import them, I just don't know where to find them Jan 26 12:49:00 And I was thinking of something else... Is it possible to use the GPS receiver in the n810 on a laptop ? Jan 26 12:51:41 CrashandDie, i've heard a couple of people ask the same question, but my google foo is off Jan 26 12:52:07 i think the answer was something along the lines of "with a simple deamon running on 810 it should be possible"... Jan 26 12:52:24 but i cant remember anyone saying "yes heres how to do it" Jan 26 12:53:07 hmm Jan 26 12:53:13 I'll have to work on that Jan 26 12:53:23 thanks lcuk Jan 26 12:53:33 lcuk, you wouldn't have a pointer about the gpg signatures ? Jan 26 12:53:51 i dunno, ive never had it or seen anyone with problem Jan 26 12:54:07 see what the great google comes up with Jan 26 12:56:53 CrashandDie, found one of the irc logs about the gps Jan 26 12:56:57 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2008-01-13.log.html Jan 26 12:57:08 search for bluetooth and they have a quicky discussion Jan 26 12:57:18 cheers ! Jan 26 13:18:39 CrashandDie: could you check if you can connect to the gpsd on n810 with your laptop? Jan 26 13:19:06 oil, sure, lemme reboot to ubuntu, back in a sec Jan 26 13:19:20 CrashandDie: let us know how it works Jan 26 13:21:54 oil: back Jan 26 13:37:20 This "Hello World" app keeps opening when I load maemo in xephyr, it's getting annoying Jan 26 13:54:17 crashanddie: did the connection to n810 gpsd work? Jan 26 13:54:39 oil: hang on, I'm having bluetooth issues, working on it atm Jan 26 13:56:49 crashanddie: ok. not in hurry :) Jan 26 13:58:16 openvpn gui is on the maemo roadmap or no? Jan 26 14:00:42 mrs roberts could hack gps to laptop with her eyes closed Jan 26 14:01:02 http://xkcd.com/341/ Jan 26 14:01:16 ahaha...I knew that name sounded familiar Jan 26 14:01:41 <|tbb|> is it possible to use this .Introspectable.Introspect with dbus-signals Jan 26 14:02:28 morning john, any further with screendefect Jan 26 14:05:11 nah, took off the faceplate cleaned around the edges Jan 26 14:05:29 ...of the screen. I was really hopeful but it didn't help Jan 26 14:05:56 I'll email nokia tomorrow. today was busy and now I'm in a mood to hack on debian stuff Jan 26 14:07:05 dang, soudns like the capacitance plate in the touch layers are busted. if nokia arent helpful might be an idea to get on ebay see if any replacements are avail Jan 26 14:08:13 i am still trying to get ide together - ive decided i hate eclipse enough to want something else - something a bit more specific Jan 26 14:09:08 I've heard about anjuta Jan 26 14:09:11 might be worth a shot Jan 26 14:09:15 it's free after all Jan 26 14:09:36 * johnx doesn't take on any programming project too big to be done in vi Jan 26 14:10:03 i started loooking last night at that, there is an alpha addin for maemo comp, and the ide is more geared speecifically to c/c++ Jan 26 14:10:51 i want a simple editor but im a mouse user Jan 26 14:11:09 gvim with syntax hilighting? Jan 26 14:11:12 emacs? Jan 26 14:11:58 dunno, its all new to me, i though most of those were ssh terminal progs Jan 26 14:12:45 im not from linux and am used to a full ide for the env im developing for, hell ive never really used make before... Jan 26 14:13:00 well they both were terminal only historically, but vi got a gtk frontend (gvim) and emacs got an X11 version Jan 26 14:13:35 lcuk: text editor in gnome has syntax color Jan 26 14:13:45 good to know, ill take a look if anjuta doesnt give me a safe comfortable base Jan 26 14:14:18 i use gedit because it's light and simple, it has color syntax and tabs for multiple files Jan 26 14:14:31 all I need for coding Jan 26 14:15:07 syntax isnt a problem, grew up without it so its nice but not reqd. its the complexities of settingg up compiler chain and includes and libraries etgc Jan 26 14:15:40 ah, i use command line for that :) Jan 26 14:15:49 lcuk, together we'd make a pretty mean linux programmer Jan 26 14:15:57 lol Jan 26 14:16:22 do you normally have to manually setup make files for projects Jan 26 14:17:01 or (as i expect) does the ide/project manager do that for you Jan 26 14:17:03 I started Linux in 1998 on RedHat 5.1 . I got mad at having outdated software so I ended up compiling most of my OS from source one package at a time Jan 26 14:17:16 a full blown IDE would handle that Jan 26 14:17:34 gedit or gvim are just editors with syntax hilighting Jan 26 14:18:06 johnx: oh yeah, i remember those ages... full of remote exploits and you had to take care of yourself Jan 26 14:18:28 yer, eclipse has loads of extensions in the vmware box, but eclipse has so many menus and branches and options i keep getting lost Jan 26 14:19:30 fugitivo, yeah, and compiling XFree 3.x on a K6-266 took a night and a day ... before failing Jan 26 14:19:32 its like visual studio 2005 on super speed Jan 26 14:20:40 heh, speed as in the drug or speed as in it's faster? Jan 26 14:20:46 johnx: well, i was using a P2 400 in that year, so I didn't try to compile X :) Jan 26 14:21:03 john, first time i ever wrote a program it came in a book for zx spectrum. me and mum (great hacker...) spent about 3 weeks typing it in and then another couple of weeks trying to get it running Jan 26 14:21:10 drug Jan 26 14:21:21 lcuk: whow, same here! but it was a spectrum sinclair Jan 26 14:21:44 heh...I didn't really have a computer I could hack on and mess around with until 1998 Jan 26 14:21:45 lcuk: i copied the code of a game that came in a magazine and didn't have tape to save it Jan 26 14:22:39 we couldnt switch off and gave up in the end, but my mum got a job with computers after that and i was bitten by the bug Jan 26 14:23:59 john i got first pc in 98 and up until recently resented it for being crap compared to amiga Jan 26 14:24:34 lcuk: i find complete IDEs hard to work with Jan 26 14:24:41 too much stuff Jan 26 14:25:08 heh...I took my life savings (money from birthdays and christmas presents ) in 1998 and bought a P166MMx, used windows for 6 months, got fed up and switched to Linux and never looked back Jan 26 14:26:40 i havent had a problem, but the simpler are better. give me project management, include following, context help and a build button i am ok Jan 26 14:27:09 166 wow fast... ;) Jan 26 14:28:15 pygtkeditor for maemo is almost there for this device. its practically perfect ide. Jan 26 14:28:32 but its just wrong language Jan 26 14:28:35 ... Jan 26 14:29:00 heh Jan 26 14:29:01 well, an IDE for python includes less stuff, since it's an interpreted language... Jan 26 14:29:04 caqn i get gcc and sdk for actual onboard compiling? Jan 26 14:29:37 gcc, yes. all the headers you need ... possible but there will be versioning/dependency issues I think Jan 26 14:29:49 its not just that john, pygtked reminds me of ide i used for year on amiga Jan 26 14:29:58 s Jan 26 14:30:06 * Cymor is back (gone 33:58:19) Jan 26 14:30:12 thumb typing is a pita Jan 26 14:30:26 yes, especially without hardware keys Jan 26 14:31:15 lcuk, maybe try freshmeat.net Jan 26 14:31:24 they have things categorized rather nicely Jan 26 14:32:19 since google I don't use freshmeat anymore Jan 26 14:32:29 fugitivo, I still use it Jan 26 14:33:19 you can't get google to reverse-sort by last update and only display things that don't use X11 Jan 26 14:33:20 hmmm usb hub key not respondding Jan 26 14:33:35 I used it a LOT when package manager was not an usual app in a distro Jan 26 14:34:04 AHHHH RIGHT, DONE IT Jan 26 14:34:07 crap Jan 26 14:34:21 ok i can now type properly Jan 26 14:34:34 lcuk, C or C++? Jan 26 14:34:38 810 -> usb hub -> keyboard wasnt working Jan 26 14:34:44 i can code in either Jan 26 14:34:55 no preference, if one works i will use it Jan 26 14:35:17 object oriented code is how you write it, not which language you use Jan 26 14:37:36 lcuk, how about this: http://geany.uvena.de/ Jan 26 14:43:02 that looks great, i will have a proper look when i rescue my desktop back from youngest (he will cry if i turn off cbeebies right now...) Jan 26 14:43:26 sounds good Jan 26 14:43:47 i need a shared clipboard/mini blog system so i can copy and paste stuff between systems easily - a shared task/memo system would be nice Jan 26 14:44:36 lcuk, you and me both Jan 26 14:44:48 I've found a couple sites, like google notes Jan 26 14:45:03 but they're never simple/fast enough for my taste Jan 26 14:45:17 well since its straight foreward code - i did a quick hackjob for python remote which connects and talks to my windows box it wouldnt be too difficult Jan 26 14:46:17 i have a windows based task system used by a few of our customers at work and they love the simplicity (its easier to handle than email...) Jan 26 14:46:26 a little tray applet that could send a short text string from N800 to Linux desktop would be awesome Jan 26 14:46:42 i might just get a simple system set up later - it would be a good basic program to write as a first app Jan 26 14:46:52