**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 30 02:59:56 2008
Jan 30 03:00:34 <legind> the main marked improvement of the n810 is the physical keyboard.  other than that I'm glad I got the n800
Jan 30 03:00:40 <astromme> Yea
Jan 30 03:00:49 <astromme> And I hate the non-inclusion of sd slots...
Jan 30 03:00:54 <legind> plus, the n810 only has room for one sdhc card
Jan 30 03:00:55 <astromme> I have tons of extra sd cards
Jan 30 03:00:55 <legind> yes
Jan 30 03:01:05 <astromme> but no sd mini or whatever it is
Jan 30 03:01:21 <legind> I bought two 8gig sd cards
Jan 30 03:01:32 <astromme> And  plus, then I can't stick random-sd-card from friend-a into my n800, like I do on a weekly basis for photo-viewing, movie watching, etc...
Jan 30 03:01:47 <legind> almost for the express purpose of mocking any iphone users that may be in my vicinity
Jan 30 03:03:37 <astromme> =)
Jan 30 03:05:09 <astromme> I definitely laugh on the inside when my friend with an iPhone laments that he can't upgrade to the new software b/c he has to pay and there is no jailbrake ready
Jan 30 03:05:16 <pupnik> can i disable toolbar shortcut (pgup, pgdn, tab, esc, ctrl) in OS2008 xterm?
Jan 30 03:06:18 <jott> pupnik: though the setting is not saved (bug) you can toggle it vie View -> Show toolbar
Jan 30 03:06:22 <jott> via
Jan 30 03:06:42 <pupnik> argh thanks
Jan 30 03:07:35 <pupnik> this keyboard is like... good enough to make the shell fun
Jan 30 03:07:44 <astromme> Did you just get your n810?
Jan 30 03:07:57 <pupnik> yeah it's a pretty amazing piece of gear
Jan 30 03:09:21 <jott> yeah i also like the keyboard.
Jan 30 03:09:39 <jott> when you start to get used to it it's really efficient.
Jan 30 03:09:49 <jott> (and map some important keys)
Jan 30 03:10:08 <pupnik> i'm about 2x as fast on the thumbboard as i ever got with onscreen keyboard
Jan 30 03:10:24 <jott> onscreen keyboards always suck..
Jan 30 03:10:38 <jott> they take away too much screen space
Jan 30 03:10:42 <astromme> Does anyone know about recovering from user error with apt-get? I.E..... I installed a package, not noticing that it put "ftp.debian.org" into my /etc/apt/sources.list on my ubuntu box
Jan 30 03:10:56 <pupnik> and how thoughtful of Kerningan and Ritchie to put 'l' and 's' under my thumbs
Jan 30 03:11:02 <astromme> Then, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade.. "Woah, that's a lot of packages.. well, ok" <enter>
Jan 30 03:11:35 <astromme> 30 minutes later "wait a minute... not good". I ended up reinstalling the system, but before I did I had a mix of ubuntu 7.10 and debian sid...
Jan 30 03:11:44 <fysa> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mogg/
Jan 30 03:12:02 <johnx> astromme, use /etc/apt/preferences to pin the priorities of ubuntu packages higher than debian, apt-get dist-upgrade and cross your fingers really, really hard
Jan 30 03:12:29 <fysa> anyone update https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mogg/ for OS2008?
Jan 30 03:13:15 <johnx> fysa, are you aware of thishttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/ogg/ ?
Jan 30 03:13:55 <jott> astromme: another (more hacky) way is to parse your dpkg.log and reinstall everything up to the point of time you messed up (without the debian repo) :p
Jan 30 03:14:30 <astromme> Yikes!
Jan 30 03:14:33 <fysa> aha
Jan 30 03:15:02 <jott> astromme: i recovered my system once this way.. as most other attemptes seemed to fail ;)
Jan 30 03:15:02 <astromme> Well, like I said, I ended up reinstalling with a hardy snapshot. (Yay for LVM, made my life simplistic). But I'll keep your suggestion in mind.
Jan 30 03:15:21 <johnx> I think I should make a wrapper around apt-get that does a get-selections before it runs ...
Jan 30 03:22:00 <astromme> Does anyone here have a nokia 770?
Jan 30 03:23:26 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Jan 30 03:24:41 <astromme> How does it work for you? When did you get it? Is it _really_ that much slower than a n800/n810 (assuming you have one)
Jan 30 03:24:57 <GeneralAntilles> Fine, 2005, yes.
Jan 30 03:25:30 <astromme> I was thinking of getting one back in september.
Jan 30 03:26:01 <GeneralAntilles> Makes for a fantastic ebook/media controller/couch browser.
Jan 30 03:26:07 <astromme> One last "for the cloud" question: does anyone know why the screen refreshes on the n800,n810 cause tearing? (It's visible in movies and canola mostly)
Jan 30 03:26:10 <astromme> True
Jan 30 03:26:24 <GeneralAntilles> Because the LCD controller bus is weak.
Jan 30 03:26:37 <astromme> No way around it? =/
Jan 30 03:26:51 <GeneralAntilles> No.
Jan 30 03:27:11 <GeneralAntilles> Well, unless you convert everything to 8-bit grayscale.
Jan 30 03:27:26 <astromme> Yuck!
Jan 30 03:27:30 <johnx> people have been talking about 12bit...
Jan 30 03:27:31 <pupnik> 770 is also very durable for on-the-go
Jan 30 03:27:55 * GeneralAntilles just wants an N900.
Jan 30 03:28:01 <johnx> astromme, ~18MB/s is what you can get to the LCD controller, IIRC
Jan 30 03:28:05 <astromme> What would you want in a "n900"?
Jan 30 03:28:13 <johnx> coffee maker
Jan 30 03:28:13 <astromme> johnx - that's not good at all
Jan 30 03:28:13 <GeneralAntilles> OMAP3430
Jan 30 03:28:17 <pupnik> i think there are no tearing issues with the n8x0 and mplayer astromme
Jan 30 03:28:41 <pupnik> as long as your videos fit in 400x240
Jan 30 03:29:25 <astromme> Hmm, ok
Jan 30 03:29:38 <johnx> you could probably do 640x480 at 20fps
Jan 30 03:29:40 <astromme> They have to be 1/2 screen resolution? (Stretched, I know)
Jan 30 03:30:02 <johnx> astromme, AFAIK
Jan 30 03:30:09 <johnx> er...AFAIK, no they don't
Jan 30 03:30:11 <GeneralAntilles> johnx, tried 24fps (mencoder choked on 20) at 640x480 at about 700Kbps yesterday.
Jan 30 03:30:15 <GeneralAntilles> Still dropped frames.
Jan 30 03:30:31 <johnx> yeah, my math says that's right on the border line
Jan 30 03:30:41 <johnx> that's pressing the CPU pretty hard at this point in time
Jan 30 03:31:01 <johnx> and also the sound situation with mplayer in OS2008 costs CPU time
Jan 30 03:31:27 <GeneralAntilles> I wonder about something like ~560*420
Jan 30 03:32:10 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, the math: xres * yres * bitdepth in bytes (16/2) * fps
Jan 30 03:32:22 <johnx> + some overhead coefficient
Jan 30 03:33:37 <johnx> some way to do adaptive resolution / framerate would be really neat but would be a horrible nightmare to implement I'm sure
Jan 30 03:36:25 <astromme> Interesting... qmake is run with cputransp, meaning it eats my n800's cpu.
Jan 30 03:36:33 <johnx> nice
Jan 30 03:36:51 <astromme> What is the max rated frequency for the arm chips in the n8x0?
Jan 30 03:37:02 <johnx> 400MHz
Jan 30 03:37:02 <astromme> And is there a way for me to adjust it?
Jan 30 03:37:16 <johnx> overclock? or underclock?
Jan 30 03:37:21 <astromme> Did we know that before nokia bumped it up to 400?
Jan 30 03:37:24 <astromme> Either
Jan 30 03:37:37 <johnx> astromme, didn't know
Jan 30 03:37:38 <astromme> Under for battery (in theory), over for compiling when on ac
Jan 30 03:37:45 <johnx> and it uses cpufreq by default
Jan 30 03:37:49 <GeneralAntilles> No, we didn't, but, no, there's no more headroom. ;)
Jan 30 03:38:07 <johnx> so it sits at 165MHz until you want it to do something
Jan 30 03:38:08 <astromme> johnx, in theory, could it go higher? Assuming .. oh, general says no?
Jan 30 03:38:26 <GeneralAntilles> It could go higher
Jan 30 03:38:38 <GeneralAntilles> but then you'd sacrifice stability and, possibly, your device.
Jan 30 03:38:45 <astromme> ok =P.
Jan 30 03:38:47 <johnx> search overclock on itt, definitely seems like a popular topic :)
Jan 30 03:42:46 <braddbr> hi guys, got my n800 today.. just looking for common urls if anyone has any interesting ones (mainly software depots for now)
Jan 30 03:43:31 <johnx> http://gronmayer.com/it http://downloads.maemo.org http://internettablettalk.com/forums
Jan 30 03:43:38 <braddbr> thank you
Jan 30 03:43:40 <johnx> :)
Jan 30 03:44:08 * jott casts johnx to a factoid bot 
Jan 30 03:44:27 <johnx> :P
Jan 30 03:44:32 <fysa> how do we get lower brightness than min¿
Jan 30 03:44:48 <jott> chroot /mnt/initfs dsmetest -b 3
Jan 30 03:44:48 <astromme> I'm wondering the same thing
Jan 30 03:44:50 * johnx is now a factoid bot
Jan 30 03:44:50 <GeneralAntilles> Damn you, fysa.
Jan 30 03:44:58 <GeneralAntilles> I just deleted that link from my bookmarks
Jan 30 03:45:19 <johnx> lower brightness: with fanoush's modified kernel or rm_you's brightness applet
Jan 30 03:45:23 <GeneralAntilles> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=564&release_id=1398
Jan 30 03:45:29 <jott> ^^
Jan 30 03:45:29 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you's applet
Jan 30 03:45:35 <fysa> woo hoo
Jan 30 03:45:36 <GeneralAntilles> kernel is a pain.
Jan 30 03:45:43 <jott> oops
Jan 30 03:45:47 <jott> wrong
Jan 30 03:45:57 <fysa> i only knew of the kernel.  thanks.
Jan 30 03:46:04 <jott> -l 3
Jan 30 03:46:08 <johnx> heh, or chroot /mnt/initfs dsmetest -d 2
Jan 30 03:46:09 <jott> chroot /mnt/initfs dsmetest -l 3
Jan 30 03:46:14 <jott> ^^
Jan 30 03:46:15 <johnx> gets your display nice and dark :D
Jan 30 03:46:16 <jott> ;)
Jan 30 03:46:23 <GeneralAntilles> rm_you's applet is particularly badass.
Jan 30 03:46:55 <jott> who needs a gui if one has a sliding keyboard ;p
Jan 30 03:46:58 <astromme> Ooh, that is dark!
Jan 30 03:47:50 <GeneralAntilles> Somebody who doesn't want to leave xterm running 24/7
Jan 30 03:47:55 <proteous> the easiest way to get a darker display is a battery hack
Jan 30 03:48:01 <astromme> ?
Jan 30 03:48:06 <johnx> ?!
Jan 30 03:48:11 <jott> GeneralAntilles: those are only folks without an internal keyboard i suppose *g*
Jan 30 03:48:45 <proteous> if you remove the back cover and pop out the battery the display gets really dark
Jan 30 03:48:50 <proteous> it's pretty instant too
Jan 30 03:48:52 <GeneralAntilles> proteous, I don' think that'll work out quite like you think it will.
Jan 30 03:48:54 <astromme> ..
Jan 30 03:48:55 <jott> the easiest way to get a dark display is to throw your device in the toilet ;P
Jan 30 03:48:58 <GeneralAntilles> Ah, right.
Jan 30 03:49:01 * GeneralAntilles was thinking voltage.
Jan 30 03:49:04 <proteous> heh
Jan 30 03:49:04 <astromme> Same
Jan 30 03:49:36 <proteous> :P
Jan 30 03:49:39 <shackan> *why* would you want an even darker display?
Jan 30 03:49:47 <astromme> At night
Jan 30 03:49:52 <shackan> it's already unreadable unless in close ambients
Jan 30 03:49:53 <astromme> the darkest setting is pretty dang light
Jan 30 03:50:12 <proteous> it can double as a nightlight/flashlight
Jan 30 03:50:15 <proteous> double bonus
Jan 30 03:50:18 <astromme> Hey, I live in minnesota. During the winter our daylight hours are like 8:00am -4:00 pm
Jan 30 03:50:22 <GeneralAntilles> shackan, for reading in the dark.
Jan 30 03:50:27 <proteous> sadly, I've used it for a flashlight before...
Jan 30 03:50:32 <astromme> I spend most of my day in the dark...
Jan 30 03:50:33 <shackan> me too :D
Jan 30 03:50:37 <GeneralAntilles> The default lowest setting is absurdly bright.
Jan 30 03:50:45 <astromme> On os2008, yes
Jan 30 03:50:47 <shackan> astromme: do you work in mines?
Jan 30 03:50:51 <proteous> lol
Jan 30 03:50:55 <astromme> No, I don't =P
Jan 30 03:50:55 <jott> yeah it burns in the eyes when the room is dark
Jan 30 03:51:05 <proteous> he just hasn't come out of the closet yet
Jan 30 03:51:11 <EruditeHermit> hey, is anyone having trouble with uktube?
Jan 30 03:51:20 <astromme> But I spend 6 hours at school in the light, then 8 hours at home in the dark.... (In the winter)
Jan 30 03:51:37 <GeneralAntilles> brightness level 1 is perfect for reading with the lights out.
Jan 30 03:51:41 <proteous> that only makes up 14 hours, what planet are you on?
Jan 30 03:51:45 <astromme> In the summer, I get light from roughly 5:30 am to 10PM
Jan 30 03:51:53 <astromme> Sleep....
Jan 30 03:51:59 <astromme> well, ok
Jan 30 03:52:02 <proteous> :P
Jan 30 03:52:05 <astromme> I don't sleep 10 hours
Jan 30 03:52:16 <astromme> So adjust those previous values a bit
Jan 30 03:52:26 <EruditeHermit> I get http://rafb.net/p/zr3jpe65.html
Jan 30 03:52:45 <proteous> totaly not clicking on that link
Jan 30 03:52:51 <astromme> it's nothing
Jan 30 03:52:56 <proteous> sure sure
Jan 30 03:53:02 <johnx> clicked, contains python error
Jan 30 03:53:03 <astromme> just a traceback. /shrug
Jan 30 03:53:25 <johnx> proteous, this isn't slashdot ;p
Jan 30 03:53:29 <proteous> heh
Jan 30 03:53:47 <EruditeHermit> is it just a bug?
Jan 30 03:53:54 <GeneralAntilles> More importantly, this isn't slashdot at -1.
Jan 30 03:54:04 <astromme> omfg. ./configure is till running... qtmake still taking up my cpu
Jan 30 03:54:07 <EruditeHermit> I think perhaps youtube changed
Jan 30 03:54:07 <johnx> youtube changes their URL scheme every so often
Jan 30 03:54:12 <EruditeHermit> ok
Jan 30 03:54:17 <jott> astromme: what are you trying to build?
Jan 30 03:54:29 <proteous> not so much anymore since they have a nice API from google
Jan 30 03:54:58 <johnx> ah, someone needs to rewrite uktube for that
Jan 30 03:55:05 <johnx> astromme, this is for KDE, yes?
Jan 30 03:55:32 <astromme> Yes
Jan 30 03:55:35 <astromme> qt4 at the moment
Jan 30 03:55:43 <astromme> I had it all built, but I'm rebuilding with cputransp
Jan 30 03:55:48 <jott> there is a ready qt4 :)
Jan 30 03:55:54 <astromme> With dev headers?
Jan 30 03:56:00 <jott> sure
Jan 30 03:56:07 <astromme> O.O
Jan 30 03:56:09 <jott> just without accessiblity support
Jan 30 03:56:19 <jott> (in case you want to compile kde4 with it ;P
Jan 30 03:56:26 <jott> qt4.garage.maemo.org
Jan 30 03:57:00 <r_> Hi!
Jan 30 03:57:01 <EruditeHermit> johnx: do you think there is a simple fix or do I have to wait for uktube to be fixed?
Jan 30 03:57:27 <r_> Could somebody help me with information where to get gen_vkb?
Jan 30 03:58:25 <johnx> EruditeHermit, it seems not to be updated often and I have no idea how difficult the fix is
Jan 30 03:58:37 <EruditeHermit> ok
Jan 30 03:58:39 <johnx> but since google published an API for it, it might not be that hard
Jan 30 03:58:51 * johnx knows nothing else about the situation
Jan 30 03:58:53 <EruditeHermit> I'll just wait till they fix it I guess
Jan 30 03:58:57 <EruditeHermit> thanks
Jan 30 03:59:28 <GeneralAntilles> konttori is a Nokian now.
Jan 30 03:59:38 <GeneralAntilles> No time to update his puny old python apps. :D
Jan 30 04:00:03 <EruditeHermit> are there any other youtube apps for maemo?
Jan 30 04:00:20 <pupnik> youtube-dl python script
Jan 30 04:00:26 <EruditeHermit> where is that?
Jan 30 04:00:31 <GeneralAntilles> Why not just watch it in the browser?
Jan 30 04:00:39 <EruditeHermit> its too slow in the browser
Jan 30 04:00:43 <astromme> yeah
Jan 30 04:00:51 <EruditeHermit> flash is slow
Jan 30 04:00:53 <GeneralAntilles> It's fine in OS2008.
Jan 30 04:00:57 <fysa> do i have to reboot for this to work?
Jan 30 04:01:00 <astromme> not until it loads completely
Jan 30 04:01:06 <GeneralAntilles> fysa, is it in the menu?
Jan 30 04:01:07 * johnx hates flash so much
Jan 30 04:01:12 <astromme> same
Jan 30 04:01:13 <EruditeHermit> me too
Jan 30 04:01:18 <smackpotato> the ykfix
Jan 30 04:01:18 <fysa> ahh
Jan 30 04:01:18 <EruditeHermit> slows everything down
Jan 30 04:01:33 <GeneralAntilles> menu . . .
Jan 30 04:01:40 <GeneralAntilles> I mean status bar.
Jan 30 04:02:21 <fysa> cool.
Jan 30 04:02:49 * Cymor is away: afk
Jan 30 04:05:16 <jott> anyone willing to test my first pymaemo app? http://sse2.net/pytimer_0.1.0-1_all.deb - it's an finger-controllable eggtimer
Jan 30 04:06:44 <astromme> Heh, it tells me the timestamp for the tar is in the future
Jan 30 04:06:51 <jott> :o
Jan 30 04:07:07 <jott> it's just build ;)
Jan 30 04:07:31 <jott> see if you understand it without instructions ;)
Jan 30 04:08:39 <fysa> works well on my device
Jan 30 04:08:56 <astromme> That's cool
Jan 30 04:09:15 <astromme> I like the scroll up/down to change it
Jan 30 04:09:16 <jott> you can either use back or colon to start/stop the timer..
Jan 30 04:09:17 <fysa> i almost expect it to count auto after leaving it for 10 secs
Jan 30 04:09:28 <astromme> You should make it animated so that a user can see while his finger is still pressed
Jan 30 04:09:59 <fysa> ithen touch to pause.  that is one less tap for most cases
Jan 30 04:10:36 <fysa> or 5
Jan 30 04:11:36 <smackpotato> EH here is a link that uses tthe neew youtube skeem
Jan 30 04:11:47 <smackpotato> http://ash-v364.ash.youtube.com/get_video.flv?video_id=cmNCALGHOC4
Jan 30 04:12:03 <jott> fysa: hmm i don't understand what you mean.
Jan 30 04:12:51 <jott> does the visual alarm work on a n800?
Jan 30 04:13:51 <fysa> when you slide it to change a digit, reset an internal timer.  if that timer hits 5 or 10 seconds, begin counting down.  i.e, they are done picking their time.  we know they want it to run down.
Jan 30 04:14:33 <fysa> then let them pause/continue with a tap
Jan 30 04:15:11 <jott> hmmm.. i wonder if this is feasible.. as an option this might be nice..
Jan 30 04:15:43 <fysa> how most oven timers work
Jan 30 04:16:29 <jott> 5 seconds should be enough i suppose, or?
Jan 30 04:16:31 <fysa> i would love that simple interface with a clock.
Jan 30 04:16:57 <fysa> try 6
Jan 30 04:17:08 <jott> heh 5.75? :p
Jan 30 04:17:29 <fysa> i want a simple clock to run at night sometimes
Jan 30 04:17:42 <jott> yeah. indeed
Jan 30 04:17:46 <astromme_> Woah, that was weird
Jan 30 04:17:53 <astromme_> I just had both of my linux boxes freeze on me
Jan 30 04:18:08 <astromme_> I wonder if that is something with hardy....
Jan 30 04:18:09 <GeneralAntilles> How does it start?
Jan 30 04:18:17 <fysa> linur eclipse
Jan 30 04:18:30 <GeneralAntilles> pytimer is pwning me
Jan 30 04:18:35 <astromme_> First my desktop stops playing music, so I investigate.... I can't do anything, not even ctrl-alt-shift-sysrq
Jan 30 04:18:37 <jott> GeneralAntilles: my timer? colon or back
Jan 30 04:18:40 <fysa> touch the :
Jan 30 04:18:48 <astromme_> And then about 2 minutes later
Jan 30 04:18:52 <astromme_> My laptop does the same thing
Jan 30 04:19:33 <GeneralAntilles> The LED didn't stop after I closed it. <_<
Jan 30 04:19:38 <fysa> it's because I am on your roof.
Jan 30 04:19:48 <jott> GeneralAntilles: ooh :) ok yeah that has to be catched.
Jan 30 04:20:09 <jott> (it stops when tapping on the screen while it runs)
Jan 30 04:20:10 <proteous> stop it with the touching of the :'s please
Jan 30 04:20:27 <fysa> ooo could you update the icon with the time? ;)
Jan 30 04:20:43 <jott> fysa: good question.
Jan 30 04:21:13 <fysa> render ttf to bitmap with gd
Jan 30 04:21:57 <jott> yeah the bitmap generation is not the problem. i wonder if hildon/matchbox handle the icon update
Jan 30 04:24:20 <smackpotato> EruditeHermit:  you can use that link to edit uktube.py
Jan 30 04:34:04 <pppoe_dude> hi
Jan 30 04:34:22 <astromme_> hi
Jan 30 04:34:37 <pppoe_dude> i am trying to get osso-screenshot-tool to work on my 770, but dpkg -i says the .deb has the wrong architecture
Jan 30 04:34:40 <pppoe_dude> any ideas?
Jan 30 04:34:48 <astromme_> what package are you using?
Jan 30 04:34:49 <pppoe_dude> i downloaded the arm version
Jan 30 04:34:51 <astromme_> paste the name here
Jan 30 04:35:06 <pppoe_dude> from here http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo/ossw/o/osso-screenshot-tool/
Jan 30 04:35:12 <pppoe_dude> osso-screenshot-tool_1.20-1_arm.deb
Jan 30 04:35:17 <pupnik> why does os2008 tar have problems with some of my .tgz files... "tar: short read"
Jan 30 04:35:22 <pppoe_dude> it says i need the 'armel' version
Jan 30 04:35:23 <astromme_> you don't want to "apt-get install osso-screenshot-tool"?
Jan 30 04:35:38 <pppoe_dude> ooh theres apt-get? lol
Jan 30 04:35:50 <astromme_> pupnik, could it be the memory bug that was appearing with the 770?
Jan 30 04:35:54 <pupnik> arm is for OS2005
Jan 30 04:35:58 <astromme_> pppoe_dude, Yep =)
Jan 30 04:36:00 <johnx> pupnik, corrupted memory card?
Jan 30 04:36:05 <pppoe_dude> ok it says it has no installation candidate
Jan 30 04:36:12 <astromme_> Have you added the repo?
Jan 30 04:36:18 <astromme_> You can do it from the gui if you want
Jan 30 04:36:23 <pppoe_dude> astro76, which repo? sorry i'm new to maemo
Jan 30 04:36:27 <astromme_> that gronmayer site... what is it
Jan 30 04:36:33 <astromme_> Give me a sec to find it
Jan 30 04:36:47 <pppoe_dude> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php
Jan 30 04:36:50 <astromme_> Yes
Jan 30 04:37:01 <pppoe_dude> many repos... which one?
Jan 30 04:37:19 <pupnik> use the search
Jan 30 04:37:22 <pppoe_dude> ok
Jan 30 04:38:14 <pupnik> Filename: pool/maemo2.2/free/o/osso-screenshot-tool/osso-screenshot-tool_1.05-1_armel.deb  for OS2006
Jan 30 04:38:31 <pppoe_dude> ok
Jan 30 04:38:44 <astromme_> pppoe_dude, Are you using a 770?
Jan 30 04:38:59 <pppoe_dude> astro76, yes
Jan 30 04:39:03 <pupnik>  http://repository.maemo.org gregale/free Packages
Jan 30 04:39:25 <pppoe_dude> pupnik, would i put that under 'web address' in 'new catalog'?
Jan 30 04:40:08 <pppoe_dude> i guess distribution: gregale and components: fee?
Jan 30 04:40:10 <pppoe_dude> free*
Jan 30 04:40:24 <pupnik> i think so yes
Jan 30 04:40:37 <johnx> pppoe_dude, or you can just click the "click to install" on gronmayer.com/it to get the repo
Jan 30 04:40:38 <pppoe_dude> will try that. otherwise will just download and do dpkg :)
Jan 30 04:40:49 <pupnik> you have OS2006 on your 770 pppoe_dude ?
Jan 30 04:40:55 <pppoe_dude> pupnik, ya latest, afaik
Jan 30 04:41:08 <r_> pupnik: are you use tar from busybox or gnutar?
Jan 30 04:41:16 <pupnik> must be busybox r_
Jan 30 04:41:47 <pppoe_dude> man
Jan 30 04:41:50 <pppoe_dude> this makes me happy haha
Jan 30 04:41:55 <pppoe_dude> i mean... maemo
Jan 30 04:42:15 <astromme_> cool
Jan 30 04:42:21 <pppoe_dude> ok im doing apt-get now
Jan 30 04:42:40 <pppoe_dude> it seems like it's doing a lot of configuring with libs and stuff...
Jan 30 04:42:58 <pppoe_dude> actually.. it seems to be reconfiguring all the packages haha..
Jan 30 04:43:03 <astromme_> O.O?
Jan 30 04:43:08 <pppoe_dude> 0.0
Jan 30 04:43:09 <astromme_> What makes you think that?
Jan 30 04:43:30 <pppoe_dude> it's just saying 'setting up' then a whole bunch of packages... after the apt-get install osso-screenshot-tool
Jan 30 04:43:38 <astromme_> Ugh, cmake is also running on cputransp, meaning it's also slow.... way too slow
Jan 30 04:43:44 <r_> pupnik: may be http://bugs.busybox.net/view.php?id=1429
Jan 30 04:43:50 <pppoe_dude> and a bunch of ldconfig 'can't open  configuration file /etc/ld.so.conf' errors
Jan 30 04:44:08 <pppoe_dude> this is the first time i run apt-get manually tho, so perhaps this is why
Jan 30 04:44:14 <astromme_> that makes sense r_
Jan 30 04:44:57 <pppoe_dude> ah... interesting... anyway, i think it all went successfully albeit not cleanly but perhaps all is well in the end
Jan 30 04:45:28 <pppoe_dude> oooh nice
Jan 30 04:45:34 <pppoe_dude> :)
Jan 30 04:45:40 <astromme_> It works?
Jan 30 04:46:32 <pppoe_dude> i think so.
Jan 30 04:46:37 <pppoe_dude> will upload a screenshot in a secon
Jan 30 04:49:02 <pppoe_dude> ah awesomeness
Jan 30 04:50:23 <pupnik> thanks a bunch r_
Jan 30 04:51:45 <r_> welcome !-)
Jan 30 04:53:23 <pupnik> i will use zip instead
Jan 30 04:55:34 <pppoe_dude> http://www.xshot.org/screenie/27290108
Jan 30 04:56:23 <astromme_> Weird, that page crashes konqueror
Jan 30 04:56:43 <pppoe_dude> astro76, which one?>!
Jan 30 04:56:50 <pppoe_dude> astromme_,
Jan 30 04:57:04 <pppoe_dude> the xshot page?
Jan 30 04:57:06 <astromme_> the xshot
Jan 30 04:57:08 <pppoe_dude> :S
Jan 30 04:57:09 <astromme_> yes
Jan 30 04:57:35 <astromme_> same with konqueror-kde4
Jan 30 04:57:36 <pppoe_dude> are you sure it wasnt something else? and can you tell me possibly what you did ? (i run the site)
Jan 30 04:57:38 <astromme_> lets try firefox
Jan 30 04:58:29 <johnx> The complete LCARRS (sp?) look is pretty impressive ... but really, really ugly IMHO :)
Jan 30 04:58:30 <astromme_> works fine in firefox
Jan 30 04:58:38 <astromme_> Maybe its something with my cache. I'll try my desktop
Jan 30 04:59:08 <pppoe_dude> johnx, lol
Jan 30 04:59:20 <astromme_> Yep, on my desktop too
Jan 30 04:59:21 <pppoe_dude> johnx, it says LCARS on the side
Jan 30 04:59:40 <johnx> sorry, closed it pretty quick :P
Jan 30 04:59:43 <pppoe_dude> astro76, weird. I will check out what's going on. konqueror0only problem?
Jan 30 04:59:48 <astromme_> I'll echo that - cool but ugly!
Jan 30 04:59:56 <pppoe_dude> johnx, ill try with another theme then lol
Jan 30 05:00:04 <johnx> that's fine
Jan 30 05:00:07 <pppoe_dude> any nice theme sites?
Jan 30 05:00:10 <astromme_> And ppoe -> my nice is a stromme, not astroxx. =P
Jan 30 05:00:16 <astromme_> pppoe*
Jan 30 05:00:21 <pppoe_dude> astromme_, sorry tab complete
Jan 30 05:00:46 <johnx> pppoe_dude, not many themes for any release of ITOS :(
Jan 30 05:00:50 <astromme_> I'm getting a backtrace from konqueror now
Jan 30 05:00:53 <astromme_> Yeah =/
Jan 30 05:00:54 <johnx> one day I'll get around to doing my own
Jan 30 05:01:02 <pppoe_dude> johnx, i want something simple and small fonted
Jan 30 05:01:04 <pppoe_dude> if that's a word haha
Jan 30 05:01:09 <astromme_> Well, it's something in khtml
Jan 30 05:02:05 <astromme_> I'm too tired to make sense of it now
Jan 30 05:02:16 <johnx> pppoe_dude, http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/12pt-14pt-os2006-themes/
Jan 30 05:02:26 <johnx> and/or google search: OS2006 themes :)
Jan 30 05:02:46 <pppoe_dude> :)
Jan 30 05:03:03 <pppoe_dude> i don't suppose i can install os2008 on my 770?
Jan 30 05:03:40 <johnx> gah...that first link was wrong, huh?
Jan 30 05:03:44 <astromme_> Err, I don't think so.
Jan 30 05:03:52 <johnx> pppoe_dude, no OS2008 for 770...yet
Jan 30 05:04:06 <pppoe_dude> yet?
Jan 30 05:04:09 <johnx> Nokia has been making noises about having a 2008HE release ... but no one will say more
Jan 30 05:04:11 <pppoe_dude> so theres hope it will be supported?
Jan 30 05:04:30 <johnx> maybe it will be. I wouldn't hold out to much hope
Jan 30 05:06:06 <astromme_> Well, I submitted a bug for kde
Jan 30 05:07:10 <astromme_> it looked like something weird in khtml
Jan 30 05:09:11 <astromme_> I'm out for tonight. Goodnight folks
Jan 30 05:09:16 <johnx> 'night
Jan 30 05:09:23 <astromme_> Thanks for all the help johnx
Jan 30 05:09:29 <johnx> sure :)
Jan 30 05:09:41 <elb> so, I don't seem to get a thumb keyboard at all any more in OS2008, any ideas why that might be?
Jan 30 05:09:59 <johnx> they seem to have tweaked the pressure sensitivity or something
Jan 30 05:10:05 <johnx> hit d-pad center for the thumb keyboard
Jan 30 05:11:06 <elb> in microb, at least, that just acts like pushing enter
Jan 30 05:11:16 <elb> (and ... open the keyboard tray to use the thumb keyboard?)
Jan 30 05:11:34 <johnx> Didn't know you had an N810
Jan 30 05:11:41 * johnx shrugs
Jan 30 05:12:02 <elb> sure, but in general, that seems like a funny design choice ;-)
Jan 30 05:12:35 <johnx> I have no idea what they were thinking either
Jan 30 05:13:54 <elb> it doesn't seem to open the thumb keyboard in other apps, either
Jan 30 05:14:15 <johnx> it's probably because the physical keyboard is out
Jan 30 05:14:27 <johnx> it works on an N800
Jan 30 05:14:34 <elb> yeah, I was originally under the impression that was what was confusing it
Jan 30 05:14:38 <elb> but now ... I cna't tell
Jan 30 05:15:26 <johnx> heh, I'll trade you an N800 that I can guarantee displays the onscreen keyboard :)
Jan 30 05:18:58 <pppoe_dude> oooh
Jan 30 05:18:59 <pppoe_dude> nice theme
Jan 30 05:19:16 <pppoe_dude> will share in a second
Jan 30 05:29:55 <pppoe_dude> http://www.xshot.org/screenie/28290108
Jan 30 05:30:29 <pupnik> nice pppoe_dude
Jan 30 05:30:37 <pupnik> you made this?
Jan 30 05:30:42 <pppoe_dude> pupnik, the theme?
Jan 30 05:30:46 <pupnik> yea
Jan 30 05:30:48 <pppoe_dude> no
Jan 30 05:30:53 <pppoe_dude> it's from maemo.org
Jan 30 05:30:57 <pppoe_dude> it's my screenshot tho :)
Jan 30 05:31:04 <pupnik> what's it called?
Jan 30 05:31:09 <pppoe_dude> NuvoBlack
Jan 30 05:32:09 <pupnik> ty
Jan 30 05:32:19 <pppoe_dude> although it's still not as simple as i really want a theme to be haha
Jan 30 05:32:27 <pppoe_dude> it would be perfect if the icons were also flat
Jan 30 05:32:38 <pppoe_dude> and the scroll bar
Jan 30 05:32:57 <johnx> as well as the fonts?
Jan 30 05:34:12 <pupnik> has it broken anything on your 770 yet pppoe_dude ?
Jan 30 05:34:24 <pppoe_dude> not so far
Jan 30 05:35:42 <pupnik> ahhhh soo nice
Jan 30 05:38:43 <pppoe_dude> pupnik, you have a 770?>
Jan 30 05:39:15 <pupnik> yes
Jan 30 05:40:04 <dieman> yay
Jan 30 05:40:14 <dieman> got radar data working in maemo-mapper
Jan 30 05:40:25 <pupnik> wow nice
Jan 30 05:40:41 <dieman>  still need to add a feature to get it to auto-refresh
Jan 30 05:40:42 <dieman> tho
Jan 30 05:40:55 <dieman> https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=2086&group_id=29&atid=188 has the wms url im using
Jan 30 05:41:11 <dieman> its creepy to zoom out and get the full usa data
Jan 30 05:41:22 <dieman> and i have no clue how much xfer this is, need to try it out with my phone
Jan 30 05:41:25 <dieman> over wifi its fine ;)
Jan 30 05:42:03 <dieman> pop up edge on my tablet here
Jan 30 05:46:12 <johnx> that is really cool :D
Jan 30 05:46:44 <dieman> heh
Jan 30 05:47:09 <dieman> i do skywarn here in minneapolis, trying to get some stuff worked out for using this n810 for it
Jan 30 05:47:20 <dieman> want to do aprs stuff with it too
Jan 30 05:49:49 <dieman> yeah, png might be a bit too much for edge service
Jan 30 05:50:21 <dieman> heh, already sucked down a half meg :)
Jan 30 05:58:52 <pupnik> minneapolis rules!
Jan 30 05:59:05 <pupnik> what's skywarn dieman ?
Jan 30 05:59:16 <cizarro> it warns you if the sky is falling
Jan 30 06:02:12 * pupnik ponders /dev/sequencer...
Jan 30 06:04:54 <dieman> gif may be the best format
Jan 30 06:04:55 <dieman> it seems
Jan 30 06:05:02 <dieman> they have svg, but it doesn't display right
Jan 30 06:05:11 <dieman> anyhow, its likely the source image is not vector :)
Jan 30 06:05:18 <r_> Does anybody know where to put a *.vkb file in the scratchbox to test it on x86?
Jan 30 06:06:01 <dieman> pupnik: http://www.weather.gov/skywarn/
Jan 30 06:06:12 <dieman> " SKYWARN™ is a volunteer program with nearly 280,000 trained severe weather spotters. These volunteers help keep their local communities safe by providing timely and accurate reports of severe weather to the National Weather Service."
Jan 30 06:07:48 <dieman> speaking of crazy weather, its cold here
Jan 30 06:08:15 <dieman> -13F outside
Jan 30 06:08:47 <Tama^2> how many degrees C is that? :P
Jan 30 06:09:07 <dragorn> -25 or so
Jan 30 06:09:17 <Tama^2> brrrrrrr
Jan 30 06:10:46 <dieman> i forget the rest of the world
Jan 30 06:10:55 <dieman> you dont use stupid measurements like we do :)
Jan 30 06:12:04 <dragorn> oh good, i have a "you're f'd" icon up for weather
Jan 30 06:12:23 <dragorn> oh.  Wind alert.  Pfft.
Jan 30 06:17:55 <pupnik_> haha
Jan 30 06:18:12 <pupnik_> screenshots dieman :)
Jan 30 06:21:17 <dieman> for the radar?
Jan 30 06:21:19 <dieman> or the weather ?
Jan 30 06:23:08 <dieman> anyhow, super happy that worked to a point
Jan 30 06:23:22 <dieman> need to figure out the mapping code in maemo-mapper and figure out how to get it to refresh
Jan 30 06:38:03 <whooha> Hey I just got an n800 and i enabled ssh and i want to install e2fsprogs and some other stuff via apt, but when I try apt-get install i get E: Package xxxxxx has no installation candidate
Jan 30 06:38:10 <whooha> for any pkg i try
Jan 30 06:38:22 <whooha> any ideas?
Jan 30 06:40:25 <pupnik_> huhu
Jan 30 06:40:28 <Tama^2> missing repos?
Jan 30 06:41:01 <pupnik_> http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php  search this and find the repo you need
Jan 30 06:58:43 <pupnik_> my favorite part about my system call and mp3 background player is that it currently doesn't get killed when exult exits
Jan 30 06:58:46 <pupnik_> so you're sitting there looking at the shell and listening to birds chirping..
Jan 30 06:59:29 <johnx> that's a feature, not a bug!
Jan 30 07:02:04 <pupnik_> :)
Jan 30 07:02:34 <pupnik_> i really enjoy it
Jan 30 07:15:44 <EruditeHermit> is there an update to the flash player that follows the update for flash on other platforms?
Jan 30 07:18:25 <johnx> For the most part Nokia only does any software updates as part of a whole flashable firmware image every couple months
Jan 30 07:42:36 <Doni^> morning folks
Jan 30 08:21:21 <pupnik_> http://pupnik.de/kitty_no_foodzor.jpg  <<- me
Jan 30 08:21:47 <johnx> sad :(
Jan 30 08:29:59 <|tbb|> morning all
Jan 30 08:30:02 <pupnik_> huhu
Jan 30 08:32:52 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 30 08:33:25 <rm_you> GeneralAntilles: sup! what did I miss? :P
Jan 30 08:34:28 <GeneralAntilles> The fact that I was about to go to bed. :P
Jan 30 08:34:52 <rm_you> lol
Jan 30 08:35:45 <rm_you> my life got really interesting in the past week or so :P
Jan 30 08:35:51 <rm_you> though things are calming down now
Jan 30 08:35:57 <GeneralAntilles> That's good.
Jan 30 08:38:18 <GeneralAntilles> Nothing particularly exciting on this end.
Jan 30 08:47:37 <pupnik_> may you live in interesting times
Jan 30 08:47:48 <rm_you> heh
Jan 30 08:47:56 <rm_you> too interesting >_>
Jan 30 08:49:11 <rocco> hey guys
Jan 30 08:49:26 <rocco> anyone else notice a problem with osso_notes crashing at random points with a segfault?
Jan 30 08:52:26 <pupnik_> nope
Jan 30 08:58:23 <maddler> morning all
Jan 30 08:58:35 <maddler> rocco: not here...
Jan 30 08:59:00 <|tbb|> hey maddler
Jan 30 09:00:45 <michele> hm.. the frogpad would be a nice keyboard for the tablets :)
Jan 30 09:01:07 <Tama^2> frogpad?
Jan 30 09:01:13 <michele> frogpad.com
Jan 30 09:02:03 <pupnik_> i'd like a harmonica stand for the 770 and a keyboard on my belt
Jan 30 09:02:15 <pupnik_> or better yet in a sweatshirt pocket
Jan 30 09:03:02 <pupnik_> or maybe velcro keyboard kneepads
Jan 30 09:03:24 <Tama^2> it's one of the worse websites I have seen in a while
Jan 30 09:03:24 <maddler> michele: I just got an iGo
Jan 30 09:03:26 <Tama^2> >.<
Jan 30 09:03:31 <maddler> michele: pretty nice...
Jan 30 09:04:04 <michele> that's still pretty big when you open it
Jan 30 09:04:16 <michele> and this can is made to be used one-handed
Jan 30 09:04:21 <michele> s/can //
Jan 30 09:04:22 <infobot> michele meant: and this is made to be used one-handed
Jan 30 09:04:46 <maddler> michele: I wonder how long would take to get familiar with it... ;)
Jan 30 09:04:51 <maddler> no thanks... :)
Jan 30 09:04:57 <michele> I'd like to try it
Jan 30 09:05:07 <rocco> it;s getting really annoying
Jan 30 09:05:10 * michele is not really looking for an external keyboard
Jan 30 09:05:13 <rocco> I'm not sure what to do about it
Jan 30 09:05:21 <rocco> I'm just typing away and it segfaults
Jan 30 09:10:08 <michele> the nice thing is that, unlike all other chording keyboards, it is pretty obvious how it workds
Jan 30 09:10:28 <Tama^2> it is nice
Jan 30 09:10:44 <rocco> but is it useable?
Jan 30 09:10:47 <rocco> ;)
Jan 30 09:11:44 <Tama^2> as michele suggested it's probably more immediate then most chording kb
Jan 30 09:11:57 <Tama^2> dunno how long it would take for me to get used to it
Jan 30 09:12:04 <_collin_> re
Jan 30 09:12:28 <michele> too bad it's more than $100
Jan 30 09:12:42 <michele> not exactly a "let's try it" price
Jan 30 09:13:14 <Tama^2> I thought the same
Jan 30 09:15:10 * pupnik_ listens to  http://www.comfortstand.com/catalog/020/index.html
Jan 30 09:17:44 <Tama^2> This is so funny: http://www.frogpad.com/information/iFrogWearable.asp
Jan 30 09:17:48 <Lynoure> frogpad.com wants to show me that same tiresome ad every page...
Jan 30 09:18:16 <Tama^2> ...and make the whole thing smell of amateur business ;)
Jan 30 09:19:12 <michele> Tama^2: the funniest thing is the "make your own" link at the bottom
Jan 30 09:19:23 <Tama^2> exactly
Jan 30 09:19:27 <Tama^2> I opened it
Jan 30 09:19:38 <Tama^2> and they show you how to dremel the casing
Jan 30 09:19:41 <Tama^2> LOL
Jan 30 09:19:58 <michele> ouch
Jan 30 09:20:57 <Lynoure> The bluetooth one only exists in apple-white?
Jan 30 09:21:38 <Tama^2> yes apparently
Jan 30 09:21:49 <Tama^2> it's the iFrog U,u
Jan 30 09:21:58 <Lynoure> ugh.
Jan 30 09:22:03 <Tama^2> _._
Jan 30 09:22:37 <Tama^2> another hilarious thing is the face of the CEO popping up on the homepage
Jan 30 09:22:59 <michele> http://www.half-qwerty.com/
Jan 30 09:23:06 <Tama^2> last thing I am interested in when I buy a product is the face of the CEO
Jan 30 09:23:09 <michele> this one is only $595
Jan 30 09:24:23 <Tama^2> it must have gold plated usb connectors, or is it an AT connector? ;)
Jan 30 09:24:48 <michele> With its unique Hydra Cable, the Half-QWERTY Keyboard works with both PCs and Macs (including older ADB ("Beige") Macs).
Jan 30 09:27:39 <Tama^2> LOL
Jan 30 09:28:17 <Tama^2> in other words: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_o'_nine_tails
Jan 30 09:30:38 <AD-N770> bon dia / good morning
Jan 30 09:35:52 <pupnik_> huhu
Jan 30 09:36:57 <pupnik_> btw xmms mp3 playback doesn't suffer the volme/distortion (not quite as bad) problems as some other programs
Jan 30 09:37:45 <pupnik_> had it playing a library at full volume and i was amazed at how good the N810 speakers sounded now
Jan 30 09:38:50 <pupnik_> by comparison the 770 never had any crackling/distortion problems
Jan 30 09:45:24 <rm_you> hrm
Jan 30 09:46:00 <rm_you> any idea how i get a package into the repo? i thought garage had something to do with it, but now that i have a garage page, i'm not sure if i was right :/
Jan 30 09:47:02 <Doni^> hmmm. this is really odd.
Jan 30 09:47:18 <Doni^> seems that my n810 does not survive being idle at all
Jan 30 09:48:13 <pupnik_> check the extras repo - there's a wiki page for submitting pkgs to extras
Jan 30 09:48:15 <jkyro> oke
Jan 30 09:48:23 <jkyro> whoops
Jan 30 09:49:11 <Doni^> keeping the unit idle for say 1hrs or so the keyboard is dead. i.e. closing and reopening the slider wont help.
Jan 30 09:49:19 <Doni^> usually after a while the device just reboots.
Jan 30 09:49:28 <Doni^> problem with watchdog ?
Jan 30 09:52:11 <melmoth> rm_you: http://maemo.org/community/application-catalog/extras_repository.html
Jan 30 09:52:17 <rm_you> thanks
Jan 30 09:52:23 <rm_you> the wiki wasn't agreeing with it
Jan 30 09:52:29 <rm_you> keeps sending me to some Midgard page :/
Jan 30 09:59:35 <Jaffa> rm_you: poke Nokia into commenting in some way on my RFC to make it easier ;-)
Jan 30 10:00:14 <rm_you> heh
Jan 30 10:00:31 <rm_you> where did you post that? :P
Jan 30 10:01:39 <pupnik> there, about 400 changes to a package i don't understand...
Jan 30 10:01:49 <pupnik> now ... "make" :)
Jan 30 10:03:46 <tuxSlayer> Hi there! People! does everybody know why can't I access maemo wiki with my garage account?
Jan 30 10:04:42 <tuxSlayer> Or maybe somebody will be so kind to give me some link to instructions on N800 to OS 2008 update? All i've found points to maemo wiki :-T
Jan 30 10:04:47 <pupnik> i've had similar problems with accounts.  contact maemo.org admin, or try with a new account
Jan 30 10:05:02 <pupnik> wb |tbb|
Jan 30 10:05:30 <|tbb|> web irc sucks sometimes
Jan 30 10:06:42 <tuxSlayer> heh...
Jan 30 10:06:48 <tuxSlayer> thanks in advice :-E
Jan 30 10:11:39 <tuxSlayer> The point is in message. when Im trying to login to wiki i see the message: you need the midgard:update priveleges...
Jan 30 10:13:30 <rm_you> tuxSlayer: same
Jan 30 10:13:31 <rm_you> isn
Jan 30 10:13:36 <rm_you> isn't normally like that
Jan 30 10:14:04 <tuxSlayer> pardon?
Jan 30 10:16:18 <tuxSlayer> Im just trying to access more docs on maemo/Chinook. Maybe I should't go to wiki at all.. but I can't find some info in another places and google gives me links to old maemo wiki...
Jan 30 10:18:46 <pupnik> any N810 owners in Hessen, Germany please contact me (pupnik.de) for a sound playback comparison / test
Jan 30 10:23:20 <n0ob_> pupnik: hey
Jan 30 10:28:41 * pupnik ponders making an extended use battery pack with 4 C or D-cell NiMHs
Jan 30 10:30:47 <Blafasel> I still think about buying a USB charger to prolong the use..
Jan 30 10:31:32 <Tama^2> speaking of power supply mods, I cannot find the slim power connector
Jan 30 10:31:44 <proteous> did you check under the bed?
Jan 30 10:31:55 <Tama^2> not that I looked hard... but in the electronics store down the road they didn;t have it
Jan 30 10:32:04 <Tama^2> ahah
Jan 30 10:32:29 <Tama^2> even under the fridge, nothing ;`(
Jan 30 10:32:37 <proteous> heh
Jan 30 10:32:43 <_collin_> pupnik: which city?
Jan 30 10:39:56 <LoCusF> flashblock-webaddon completely removed my flash support, even though I uninstalled it
Jan 30 10:40:03 <pupnik> Tama^2: i managed to find the same connector from a trashed nokia charger
Jan 30 10:40:12 <pupnik> _collin_: butzbach, about 50km north of FFM
Jan 30 10:41:36 <Blafasel> I can only offer cologne, which is not really that close ;)
Jan 30 10:43:07 * pupnik beats his brains out on sdl keyboard
Jan 30 10:43:22 <pupnik> Blafasel: that'd be a nice trip though... maybe we can arrange it someday?
Jan 30 10:44:36 <Blafasel> Why not ;)
Jan 30 10:46:41 <pupnik> argh coding hurt brain
Jan 30 10:49:21 <cizarro> pupnik, fixing borken ms dns/dhcp hurt brain more
Jan 30 11:00:11 <pupnik> i wish i could avoid rebuilding all these .Tpo and .Plos
Jan 30 11:00:28 <pupnik> i think .po has something to do with internationalization
Jan 30 11:06:55 <maddler> pupnik: it has
Jan 30 11:06:57 <maddler> :)
Jan 30 11:07:31 <maddler> po files contain "translated strings"
Jan 30 11:29:51 <Addison> Pupnik!  Any chance that you're still conscious right now?  :o)
Jan 30 11:30:15 <pupnik> yah
Jan 30 11:30:32 <Addison> What's up G Money Dog Nuts?  How ya doin'?!??!  :o)
Jan 30 11:31:01 <pupnik> kickin ass and chewin gum
Jan 30 11:31:07 <pupnik> .. and i'm all outta gum
Jan 30 11:31:46 <Addison> Nice.  I like the attitude.  You must be one of those people that irons there shirts.....  while still wearing them.
Jan 30 11:32:21 <pupnik> heh
Jan 30 11:32:24 <Addison> So what's going on with you lately?
Jan 30 11:32:31 <pupnik> working on a new build of exult
Jan 30 11:32:45 <Addison> The Ultima junk?
Jan 30 11:32:46 <pupnik> the new n810 is very motivational
Jan 30 11:32:47 <pupnik> ya
Jan 30 11:33:35 <Addison> I found a couple of open source junk.  Any chance you would look at them?
Jan 30 11:33:48 <pupnik> it was sucking for 10 months and it is going to STOP SUCKING
Jan 30 11:33:57 <pupnik> maybe
Jan 30 11:34:36 <Addison> Who was sucking what, and do you have pictures?  :o)
Jan 30 11:37:04 <Addison> Oh crap.  You're not answering.  Did I just say something stupid?
Jan 30 11:38:01 <Addison> Well, anyway, this is three things I saw yesterday.  Maybe you could take a quick peek at them.
Jan 30 11:38:04 <Addison> http://jrisk.sourceforge.net/ss.shtml
Jan 30 11:38:11 <Addison> http://jduplicate.sourceforge.net/screenshots_EN.html
Jan 30 11:38:18 <Addison> https://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=140564
Jan 30 11:38:23 <Addison> Go to it.  :o)
Jan 30 11:38:54 <pupnik> will check them out Addison
Jan 30 11:39:08 <Addison> So how's live treating you pupnik?
Jan 30 11:39:18 <Addison> life = live.  Stupid brain.
Jan 30 11:39:25 <pupnik> sigame.cc: In member function `virtual bool SI_Game::new_game(Vga_file&)':
Jan 30 11:39:26 <pupnik> sigame.cc:1249: error: `gkeyboard' undeclared (first use this function)
Jan 30 11:39:53 <Addison> Yeah, I think all of them need some type of keyboard stuff added.
Jan 30 11:40:06 <pupnik> yep which is why i'm doing it, since nobody else is
Jan 30 11:40:19 <Addison> Can I write a song about you?
Jan 30 11:40:20 <pupnik> btw 'ja' frozen pizza is extremely good for the price!
Jan 30 11:40:22 <pupnik> haha
Jan 30 11:40:33 <Addison> I mean, that wouldn't cause any unnecessary weirdness right?
Jan 30 11:40:51 <pupnik> you make music?
Jan 30 11:41:11 <Addison> If you call banging pots and pans together.  Yeah, I can make music!
Jan 30 11:41:26 <pupnik> like Einstuerzende Neubauten?
Jan 30 11:41:35 <Addison> Da?
Jan 30 11:42:17 <pupnik> I'd like to do a song with just pots and pans for percussion
Jan 30 11:42:37 <Addison> Don't forget...  You can never get enough cow bell into a song.
Jan 30 11:42:41 <pupnik> hehe
Jan 30 11:43:06 <pupnik> This has been on-hold project since 1991 ... "Kitchen Beat".  With a song already written called "Willi, the shitting dog"
Jan 30 11:43:24 <Addison> Sounds like an upbeat song.
Jan 30 11:43:33 <Addison> Something I could dance to.
Jan 30 11:43:35 <pupnik> She was a special dog
Jan 30 11:44:17 <Addison> That was yours?  You can write?
Jan 30 11:44:43 <pupnik> my music is on ~6 million cds :P
Jan 30 11:45:28 <pupnik> what's new with you Addison?
Jan 30 11:46:02 <Addison> Just the same pathetic continuation of another day.  :o)
Jan 30 11:46:05 <Addison> How about you?
Jan 30 11:51:31 <n0ob_> re
Jan 30 11:52:50 <Addison> Hey punik, you didn't squibbed on me did you?
Jan 30 11:54:30 <Addison> Crap, you left me pupnik.   And I was in such a good mood.  :o)
Jan 30 11:57:41 <Addison> Well, it was almost nice chatting with you again Pupnik.  Maybe we should do this again when you can't stay so long.  :o)
Jan 30 12:01:03 <pupnik> ?
Jan 30 12:01:25 <Addison> Sorry pupnik, I thought you left me hanging.
Jan 30 12:01:45 <pupnik> doing fine
Jan 30 12:05:09 <Addison> Hows the love life treating you pupnik?
Jan 30 12:06:26 <Addison> For me, it's treating me like a baby treats a diaper.  :o)
Jan 30 12:06:57 <lcuk> pupnik, i noticed you posted a remark last night from fanoush about updaterect.  is there a related link which goes with this because it sounds like a reasonable approach for speed
Jan 30 12:07:53 <pupnik> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view;post=19711;list=maemo
Jan 30 12:09:14 <lcuk> ahhh i remember reading that thread multiple times. its an interesting conversation
Jan 30 12:09:20 <pupnik> yes
Jan 30 12:09:43 <pupnik> it applies to all games, really
Jan 30 12:10:20 <pupnik> Addison: no news in that department.  Unless you know a great girl I should meet.
Jan 30 12:10:21 <lcuk> yer it does and when i read it the first time i wondered why the heck it couldnt be pushed further, fan is right about small optimisations in the core adding up to a much better user experience
Jan 30 12:10:24 <Addison> Okay, I just looked at that page and everyone is speaking in Sputnik.   How is that interesting?
Jan 30 12:11:16 <lcuk> addison, the n8x0 has problems with graphics because its not running a fast graphics controller chip.  there is a guy modifying mplayer to make the best out of it
Jan 30 12:11:23 <Addison> I'll set you up pupnik?  What do you like?  Sleazy, easy, japaneasy?  Just tell me and you'll have something at your door tomorrow morning.  :ol)
Jan 30 12:11:55 <pupnik> i'll settle for mentally stable
Jan 30 12:12:02 <Addison> Can't do that.
Jan 30 12:12:05 <pupnik> :)
Jan 30 12:12:38 <lcuk> the modifications he is considering and ways he is going about it aren't being pushed by nokia because they arent seen as important, but to everyone wanting the best experience its of vital importance
Jan 30 12:12:41 <Addison> The best I can give you, by tonight, is a hysterical old maid in constant menopause.  Is that good for you?
Jan 30 12:13:06 <pupnik> too offtopic atm Addison
Jan 30 12:13:21 <Addison> Okay.  Sorry.
Jan 30 12:13:54 <pupnik> lcuk: it applies to programs that aren't really core apps
Jan 30 12:15:04 <lcuk> yes, i know, but those none core apps all use core functions which are currently unoptimised.  thats where the comment you made last night really comes into it - with a minor modification to the user program you gain the benefits of fanaush's experience and neatly sidestep nokia :)
Jan 30 12:15:07 <Addison> Hey pup, what did you think about the open source junk for Scrabble I posted earlier?  I take it that it's not quite your style?
Jan 30 12:15:58 <pupnik> i'll add them to my links page if they look doable, not adding any more projects at the moment
Jan 30 12:16:23 <Addison> You should add everything.... you're a machine, remember?  :o)
Jan 30 12:17:14 <Veggen> nuts.
Jan 30 12:17:15 <lcuk> pup, is it you that released the aliens pixdbl test?
Jan 30 12:17:30 <pupnik> Addison, my problem is starting too many things and not finishing enough
Jan 30 12:17:33 <pupnik> lcuk: yes
Jan 30 12:18:00 <Veggen> I just chose names for four new machines. And I regret my choice. We have japanese as name-standard, and today I was in a sushi mood, so I selected sushi-names.
Jan 30 12:18:09 <lcuk> should it just compile on vmware scratchbox or are there other dependencies (or dont you know and i should just retest it later)
Jan 30 12:18:37 <Veggen> But I regret my choice already. Because I'm already getting sushi-hungry ;) So every time I have to ssh to them, I'll suddenly become hungry ;)
Jan 30 12:18:42 <pupnik> what happened when you built it lcuk
Jan 30 12:19:00 <Addison> Sorry pup, didn't mean to place too many demands on you.  I thought, for some reason, that you were from the future and could do anything.  :o)
Jan 30 12:19:48 <lcuk> it failed, not to worry now, i cant exactly rememberit was a couple of nights ago i will try again later i just wanted to know if there was anything glaring.
Jan 30 12:20:10 <pupnik> i might have left something in a bad state
Jan 30 12:20:49 <lcuk> its ok, i was using it as a base project (its small enough) to see if i could compile things.
Jan 30 12:20:55 <Addison> A bad state as in "mental confusion"? a bad state like "Michigan"?  Sorry, I didn't get what you just said there.
Jan 30 12:21:02 <pupnik> yes hold, i have it here
Jan 30 12:22:06 <lcuk> dang, i cant even run it now to see.  vnc into windows into vmware fails.  the mouse pointer is way off target
Jan 30 12:22:40 <pupnik> yes i'm missing -lXsp in the configure script
Jan 30 12:23:53 <pupnik> lcuk try cp Makefile__FOR_XSP Makefile and then 'make'
Jan 30 12:23:58 <lcuk> i gather you mean a ref to libXSP
Jan 30 12:24:42 <pupnik> i generally just ssh into the vmware guest OS
Jan 30 12:24:44 <lcuk> ok pupnik i will do - ahhhh the default makefile doesnt include it and because i was trying to go down the line it was failing.. :D
Jan 30 12:24:52 <pupnik> then i can minimize the vmware and save some cpu cycles
Jan 30 12:25:07 <pupnik> yeah sorry about that
Jan 30 12:25:47 <lcuk> i only have 1 port opened through this router for my vpn, im not even sure if the other machine ips are visible from it.  ive always just vnced through the tunnel
Jan 30 12:26:02 * lcuk kept it simple
Jan 30 12:26:33 <lcuk> thanks for tip anyway pup, ill try it when im home later and see if i can get further.
Jan 30 12:27:41 * lcuk goes and plays unreal tournament
Jan 30 12:27:49 <Addison> Well, I'm beginning to haze in and out of consciousness right about now.  I think it's best to go to sleep before I hurt myself.  :o)
Jan 30 12:27:54 <Addison> Have a good day everyone.
Jan 30 12:28:02 <pupnik> ok cheers Addison
Jan 30 12:28:04 <Addison> See you around pup.  :o)
Jan 30 12:40:02 <vdepizzol> Hello. Who I can contact when my coupon code from Maemo Program isn't working?
Jan 30 12:44:24 <ustun> hi there, I have symlinks to ~/MyDocs/.[video, sounds, ...] to my external mmc
Jan 30 12:44:39 <ustun> but I have found that the battery is drained quickly.
Jan 30 12:44:56 <ustun> has anyone experienced such an issue? might that be the reason ?
Jan 30 12:45:11 <ustun> or can it be some other app like the rss-reader?
Jan 30 12:45:30 <tank-man> i think it is some daemon or something cacheing something and it is going in loops
Jan 30 12:45:32 <ustun> currently the battery lasts only about 1 day when the device is idle.
Jan 30 12:46:48 <solmumaha> ustun: i believe metalayer-crawler doesn't like that
Jan 30 12:47:40 <ustun> solmumaha: right, I guessed so, because I once saw that hogging up the cpu.
Jan 30 12:47:45 <solmumaha> and goes into a loop like tank-man said
Jan 30 12:48:07 <ustun> then shouldn't I put any symlinks at all
Jan 30 12:48:17 <ustun> or should I just leave the default .sounds etc
Jan 30 12:48:24 <ustun> and can create other symlinks?
Jan 30 12:49:26 <solmumaha> not sure you should symlink anything
Jan 30 12:49:49 <ustun> solmumaha: OK, thanks.
Jan 30 12:52:04 <solmumaha> if you don't use the media player you could try disabling the crawler i guess
Jan 30 12:56:17 <Tak> morning
Jan 30 13:07:08 <|tbb|> morning tak
Jan 30 13:20:17 <pupnik> "If you don't think programmers are amazing, just try it!" - me
Jan 30 13:23:30 <Tak> If you don't think programmers are amazing, give me your street address and prepare to be surprised.
Jan 30 13:24:57 <lcuk> whether or not you think programmers are amazing you should send money to my paypal account.  you will miss us when we are gone ;)
Jan 30 13:27:03 <pupnik> Tak btw i can't mess with snes9x internals
Jan 30 13:27:17 <pupnik> but maybe i can disable the final render and cout the fps
Jan 30 13:27:17 <Tak> ok?
Jan 30 13:27:23 <alterego_> where's the xchat client for OS2008?
Jan 30 13:27:34 <pupnik> so i can see how much time is spent with the final blit
Jan 30 13:28:16 <michele> alterego_: http://zeus.rm-fr.net/~skyhusker/xchat-chinook-betas/
Jan 30 13:28:28 <alterego_> thanks
Jan 30 13:29:31 <Tak> does anybody know if it's built with plugin support?
Jan 30 13:30:06 <pupnik> from my reading though, the most time is spent in tile.cpp and ppu.cpp
Jan 30 13:31:16 <Tak> not terribly surprising
Jan 30 13:31:28 <lcuk> something just occured to me, people having constant battery drain issues install the "load-applet" thing.  in order that it can get the  stats of the system to show the cpu bar every second doesnt that wake up the device.  could the thing we are using to check be actually causing a higher drain?
Jan 30 13:31:33 <lcuk> or: who watches the watchers
Jan 30 13:31:57 * johnx watches the watchers
Jan 30 13:32:15 * lcuk watches johnx watching google watching the watchers
Jan 30 13:32:55 <johnx> :P
Jan 30 13:34:25 <lcuk> it might not be specifically the program itself but the internal maemo icon update routine.  it may not be enough to show high cpu usage but it might be holding it in the higher frequency than normal slow idle
Jan 30 13:34:26 * jott uses a mirror to watch himself
Jan 30 13:34:41 <lcuk> dont john, you will blow up
Jan 30 13:34:51 <lcuk> its like using google cache to view the google home page
Jan 30 13:34:52 <johnx> hey, whatever floats your boat :P
Jan 30 13:35:19 <ustun> lcuk: it might be :) and I, for one, have 2 load applets :)
Jan 30 13:35:26 <lcuk> lol
Jan 30 13:35:30 <johnx> it doesn't need to do that even
Jan 30 13:36:08 <michele> LoCusF: lftp seems a good candidate for mud-builder
Jan 30 13:36:14 <lcuk> it tcame to light when i was diagnosing a crappy windows system over here - task manager was itself taking up 10% cpu just to render itself
Jan 30 13:36:53 <johnx> I would hope that load applet was smart enough to not draw when the screen was blanked...but I have no idea
Jan 30 13:37:50 <lcuk> nor do i, its just a different way to think about it - it might not even be drawing thats the problem, but simply doing the work on a timer (rather than event based)
Jan 30 13:38:54 <lcuk> is there anything i can run to record deep stats - i tried cataloging "top" a couple of weeks ago, but the resolution of my results was crap
Jan 30 13:39:40 <jott> does powertop work on the n8x0?
Jan 30 13:39:52 * jott compiles
Jan 30 13:39:54 <lcuk> i wanna record as much as possible (even frequency and voltage if poss)
Jan 30 13:40:49 <jott> hmm powertop needs some kernel flags enabled..
Jan 30 13:41:04 <johnx> yeah, I saw that too when I tried
Jan 30 13:41:04 <jott> atleast it shows stats about the clock frequencies :)
Jan 30 13:41:18 <michele> lcuk: you can probably get those somewhere in /proc
Jan 30 13:41:28 * michele never looked in the IT /proc
Jan 30 13:41:29 <lcuk> so to do it i would need a custom kernel?
Jan 30 13:41:48 <ustun> sometimes I observe that my n800 screen is lighted periodically, possibly some applet causes it.
Jan 30 13:41:53 <jott> lcuk: for a sophisticated analysis.. i would say: yes
Jan 30 13:42:23 <lcuk> michele, i think they are available but was wondering if these kinds of stats are available as a pre-built program, i cant be the first one thats wanted to know whats happening on 8x0 when the screen turns dark :P
Jan 30 13:43:07 <jott> lcuk: you could also run oprofile
Jan 30 13:43:30 <sKaBoy> or attach strace to a process and see if it does something
Jan 30 13:43:56 <Tak> lcuk: when the screen turns dark, the universe ceases to exist
Jan 30 13:44:44 <lcuk> lol according to johnx errrr google, oprofile needs a custom kernel but it also says there is a pre-built one including the flag
Jan 30 13:44:59 <lcuk> is running a custom kernel risky?   it sounds it
Jan 30 13:45:05 <johnx> I meant for powertop...
Jan 30 13:45:12 <jott> http://maemo.org/development/tools/doc/oprofile
Jan 30 13:45:13 <lcuk> or it is just like an alternative explorer.exe
Jan 30 13:45:29 <johnx> lcuk, not terribly dangerous
Jan 30 13:45:30 <jott> hmm reading it, it seems quite easy and safe to use a custom kernel
Jan 30 13:45:35 <johnx> if it doesn't boot, flash the old one back
Jan 30 13:45:55 <jott> johnx: you do not even need to flash the old back again :)
Jan 30 13:46:12 <lcuk> i read in the docs for the flasher (from linux at least) that you can run a kernel without writing it to disk - once you reboot you carry on with riginal kernal
Jan 30 13:47:03 <jott> lcuk: yep.. i guess just building a kernel with all nice debugging flags enabled will help your analysis alot :)
Jan 30 13:47:16 <johnx> that's pretty neat
Jan 30 13:48:16 <lcuk> jott, if i have to build my own kernel it will probably help with other things linuxy as well.  it still feels a bit in at the deep end, but no more risky than my jedi cloak or lightsabre
Jan 30 13:49:00 * lcuk has a jedi tabbard and pants now
Jan 30 13:49:09 <johnx> I think building your own kernel has historically seen the most analogies to building your own light saber
Jan 30 13:49:12 * lcuk grandma kenobi and my mum are helping make the cloak
Jan 30 13:49:14 <pupnik> wooo it compiled wooo
Jan 30 13:49:47 <lcuk> johnx, i know - and i have fancy dress party on saturday which i am going as jedi :D
Jan 30 13:49:52 <johnx> pupnik, then ship it! ship it before the bug reports! :D
Jan 30 13:50:11 <johnx> lcuk, just as long as the other people are in costume as well :P
Jan 30 13:50:22 <lcuk> :O johnx, you sound like the guy sat oppoiisite from me
Jan 30 13:50:41 <Tak> lcuk: have you read the report which stated that people are something like 3x as promiscuous at fancy dress parties?
Jan 30 13:50:56 <lcuk> yes
Jan 30 13:54:46 <b0unc3> good morning
Jan 30 13:55:06 <johnx> mornin'
Jan 30 14:14:05 <michele> Asustek announces Eee family product lines — http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20080129PD216.html
Jan 30 14:14:16 <pupnik> do any of you build in a ram drive?
Jan 30 14:14:52 <pupnik> i'm thinking maybe 4GB of RAM and a ramdrive would speed up this rebuild cycle
Jan 30 14:15:21 <michele> read speed is hardly the bottleneck when compiling
Jan 30 14:15:28 <johnx> linux file caching is pretty good
Jan 30 14:15:30 <michele> especially if you are compiling for arm
Jan 30 14:15:32 <johnx> pupnik, do you use ccache?
Jan 30 14:15:40 <fysa> yeah, ARM is the tough part I think?
Jan 30 14:16:01 <pupnik> i had ccache disabled due to profiling issues, but i should reenable it
Jan 30 14:16:22 * michele didn't know ccache
Jan 30 14:16:45 <pupnik> export SBOX_USE_CCACHE=no  or 'yes'
Jan 30 14:17:39 <johnx> michele, ccache = awesome if you rebuild stuff a lot
Jan 30 14:18:20 <jott> yeah ccache is really nice.
Jan 30 14:18:48 <michele> johnx: I haven't been building anything for years :)
Jan 30 14:18:59 <michele> I'm spoiled by python and java incremental compilers
Jan 30 14:21:50 <Blafasel> Hmm.. The program manager UI sucks quite a bit. What's the reason to refresh the whole list if you only looked at package details or pressed cancel in this "Install this software?" dialog?
Jan 30 14:22:48 <Tama^2> the reason is: makes the app easier to write
Jan 30 14:22:51 <Tama^2> ;)
Jan 30 14:23:05 <Blafasel> Ah. I translate that to "lazy programmer" ;)
Jan 30 14:23:51 <johnx> at least the application manager manages to save your place in the list in OS2008
Jan 30 14:24:16 <Blafasel> Great. Uhm. Yay for progress?
Jan 30 14:24:24 <Tama^2> or programmer under pressure
Jan 30 14:24:29 <michele> laziness is one of the three virtues of a programmer
Jan 30 14:24:34 <Tama^2> or frustrated programmer
Jan 30 14:24:41 <Tama^2> that is true
Jan 30 14:24:49 <Blafasel> michele: Not with a result like this, though ;)
Jan 30 14:25:14 <Tama^2> laziness is what drive us all to achieve better abstractions ;)
Jan 30 14:25:14 <michele> Blafasel: what if the alternative is not shipping the application?
Jan 30 14:26:41 <Blafasel> michele: Are you talking about general stuff or this particular problem?
Jan 30 14:27:02 <michele> both
Jan 30 14:27:35 <michele> you know, I have experienced similar feelings
Jan 30 14:27:50 <Blafasel> In general: Agreed. For this issue: Nope. No way that this issue (saving an expensive operation) was too hard to implement for different dialog results..
Jan 30 14:28:41 <Blafasel> Smells more like a case of not eating one's own dogfood (devs don't use it, stick with apt or something) or like 'boring task, finally done. Now to something more interesting...'
Jan 30 14:32:01 <ustunozgur> sometimes I get the feeling that, when I click with the stylus, the point I actually click is the center of the mouse pointer; and therefore the point which is clicked is a few mm's above where I click. Has anyone experienced this? Or is it an issue with my screen protector? this issue is noticable especially when I do ssh -X
Jan 30 14:32:38 <ustunozgur> but for other apps like microb, it performs better if I click the bottom of the links !
Jan 30 14:32:46 <ustunozgur> not on them
Jan 30 14:32:54 <jott> ustunozgur: have you tried calibrating the screen?
Jan 30 14:33:00 <Tama^2> ustunozgur: have you tried calibrating the touch screen?
Jan 30 14:33:13 <Tama^2> a mind reader
Jan 30 14:33:18 <Tama^2> xD
Jan 30 14:33:21 <ustunozgur> yes, but let me try once more :D
Jan 30 14:33:29 <jott> Tama^2: no a mind seeder :P
Jan 30 14:33:40 <Tama^2> you stole my idea
Jan 30 14:33:40 <ustunozgur> since you insist so much :)
Jan 30 14:33:44 <Tama^2> :P
Jan 30 14:33:52 <Tama^2> my great great idea
Jan 30 14:33:59 <Tama^2> I think I am off to patent it
Jan 30 14:34:18 <MoRpHeUz> anybody here have ever had problems regarding bora+python+dbus+dbus.glib.init_threads() ?
Jan 30 14:34:28 <fysa> I own a patent on all great great ideas.
Jan 30 14:34:41 <fysa> Th
Jan 30 14:34:47 <fysa> you've infringed on my process.
Jan 30 14:35:01 <Tak> I've patented the process of developing an idea.
Jan 30 14:35:26 <Tama^2> I have patented the process of patenting
Jan 30 14:35:29 <fysa> For any thanks you receive for spreading your great great idea, I demand 15% of that goodwill be sent my way.
Jan 30 14:35:41 <Tama^2> and the patent office
Jan 30 14:36:00 <Tama^2> I should try to patent God >.>
Jan 30 14:36:01 <ustunozgur> I guess I have a right on that idea too, since I provoked it in the first place!
Jan 30 14:36:22 <Tama^2> I wonder if there is prior art there... mmmm
Jan 30 14:46:11 <matmo> http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-plugins/file/5f6650c03e1b/doc/README-maemo: anyone know if this info applies to chinook? I assume not because "libasound_module_ctl_dsp_ctl.so" is an actual lib, not a link.
Jan 30 14:51:34 <fysa> ooo colorful cmake
Jan 30 14:56:34 <hrw> morning
Jan 30 14:57:38 <johnx> mornin'
Jan 30 14:57:56 <hrw> is there a way to switch os2008 application menu to look like it was in os2006? (not finger friendly one)
Jan 30 14:59:11 <Tama^2> not that I know of
Jan 30 14:59:31 <hrw> ;(
Jan 30 14:59:52 <hrw> with 6-7 apps it require scrolling ;(
Jan 30 15:00:13 <johnx> and then the scroll arrows take up a whole slot...
Jan 30 15:01:02 <hrw> exactly
Jan 30 15:01:30 <mgedmin> so far I've kept it to under 7 apps in all groups, except for utilities
Jan 30 15:02:12 <johnx> I replaced the categories then sorted until anything I used frequently I didn't need to scroll to reach
Jan 30 15:03:02 <hrw> thats the solution too
Jan 30 15:03:30 <solmumaha> hrw: got a newer tablet?
Jan 30 15:03:30 <hrw> but first I need to reflash kernel as my own compilation reboots n810 instead of booting
Jan 30 15:03:37 <hrw> solmumaha: I bought n810
Jan 30 15:03:55 <solmumaha> completely different beast ain't it?
Jan 30 15:05:27 <hrw> solmumaha: compared to 770? hard to tell after one day
Jan 30 15:06:01 <solmumaha> k
Jan 30 15:06:14 <solmumaha> well try 770 after few days
Jan 30 15:06:43 <hrw> solmumaha: 770 here works as mahjongg device only
Jan 30 15:07:25 <hrw> n810 has some nice things but there is lot of space for improvements
Jan 30 15:07:31 <solmumaha> hrw: did nokia buying trolltech had anything do with the purchase?
Jan 30 15:07:47 <hrw> solmumaha: no
Jan 30 15:08:03 <hrw> solmumaha: n810 is cheapest armv6 machine on market
Jan 30 15:08:24 <hrw> shit.
Jan 30 15:08:51 <hrw> 2.6.21 from maemo (with nokia_2420_defconfig) does not want to boot
Jan 30 15:09:37 <johnx> hrw, have you managed to make it show a console on framebuffer?
Jan 30 15:10:03 <hrw> johnx: all I get is R&D screen and nothing more
Jan 30 15:10:17 <Tama^2> hrw, the n800 is cheaper
Jan 30 15:10:18 <Tama^2> :P
Jan 30 15:10:46 <hrw> Tama^2: and lack HW keyboard
Jan 30 15:11:07 <hrw> n810 keyboard is crap but exists
Jan 30 15:11:19 <Tama^2> but has less storage space
Jan 30 15:11:30 <pupnik> crap compared to what?  works great here
Jan 30 15:11:38 <johnx> I recompiled a kernel trying to get framebuffer console but it didn't show up until something else refreshed the framebuffer :/
Jan 30 15:11:59 <hrw> pupnik: zaurus c7x0
Jan 30 15:12:28 <pupnik> what is better on the c7x0?
Jan 30 15:12:35 <hrw> pupnik: http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/01/11/keyboard-in-palmtops/
Jan 30 15:13:04 <hrw> pupnik: amount of keys, keys itself, padding between keys, layout of keyboard, size
Jan 30 15:13:05 <jott> johnx: have you set CONFIG_FB_OMAP_MANUAL_UPDATE=n ?
Jan 30 15:13:07 <johnx> pupnik, I prefer the C3x00 style keyboard but what's better is: more keys :)
Jan 30 15:13:18 <johnx> jott, no i haven't
Jan 30 15:13:24 <johnx> thank you again!
Jan 30 15:13:31 <johnx> that's 2 I owe you I think :)
Jan 30 15:13:44 <jott> no problem
Jan 30 15:14:19 <pupnik> 1) horizontal space is more limited for key size 2) you can remap keys 3) key depth is limited due to slider
Jan 30 15:15:13 <hrw> pupnik: n810 also lack Tab key
Jan 30 15:15:25 <pupnik> my n810 has a tab key :)
Jan 30 15:15:45 <hrw> not to mention that os2008 still has bugs from os2005/2006 ;(
Jan 30 15:15:56 <hrw> home_ap_app_menu
Jan 30 15:15:58 <fysa> install KDE ;)
Jan 30 15:16:06 <hrw> fysa: ;D
Jan 30 15:21:06 <hrw> and I wonder which tablet hides under RX-48 code
Jan 30 15:21:33 <hrw> SU-18 was 770, RX-34 was N800, RX-44 is N810
Jan 30 15:21:56 <johnx> maybe the one that will have wimax?
Jan 30 15:22:23 <hrw> where I can read about that one?
Jan 30 15:22:38 <johnx> not much to read yet
Jan 30 15:23:11 <johnx> Nokia says it will be out "soon" but won't say what exactly hardware it's based on
Jan 30 15:23:50 <hrw> right
Jan 30 15:23:54 * hrw googled a bit
Jan 30 15:24:08 <johnx> so "first half of this year"
Jan 30 15:24:09 <zuh> Maybe it's RealSoonNow(tm), like the discount codes
Jan 30 15:24:39 <hrw> anyway they will not sell it here
Jan 30 15:24:50 <jott> from the numbers it does not look like a big hardware changes.. (rx-44 vs. rx-48)
Jan 30 15:25:31 <johnx> jott, so you think it will be based on the N800 or N810?
Jan 30 15:26:25 <hrw> jott: looking at how nokia use numbers it does not mean anything
Jan 30 15:27:08 <hrw> jott: they often have 'nice phone' 'upgraded nice phone' 'lowend phone' 'nicer lowend phone'
Jan 30 15:27:19 <fysa> maybe RX-44 means 44 months post-date it is released, meaning RX-48 would be released 4 months later ;)
Jan 30 15:27:40 <johnx> I would still bet that it's the same chipset/mainboard as the N800/N810
Jan 30 15:27:52 <jott> me too
Jan 30 15:27:54 <fysa> but with more memory (please nokia, just a touch)
Jan 30 15:28:04 <johnx> but there's not a lot of spare room in an N810...
Jan 30 15:28:46 <fysa> is there a lower nm version of that processor available?
Jan 30 15:29:31 <hrw> johnx: 4 or 8GB of internal storage would be nice
Jan 30 15:30:05 <johnx> I just wonder if the N810 has the spare room they need to fit the wimax chip+antenna(s)
Jan 30 15:30:11 <fysa> maybe we should try to get distcc working in scratchbox..
Jan 30 15:30:18 <johnx> I'd rather have removable storage...
Jan 30 15:30:38 <hrw> crapbox... argh
Jan 30 15:30:48 <johnx> :)
Jan 30 15:31:03 <fysa> boost is taking what seems like forever.
Jan 30 15:31:04 <hrw> at least I do not have to use it ;D
Jan 30 15:31:24 <fysa> hrw: very easy to get setup with the new maemo-sdk installer .sh
Jan 30 15:31:30 <fysa> on my ubuntu machine, anyway
Jan 30 15:31:57 <hrw> fysa: I prefer to use normal crosscompilation
Jan 30 15:32:48 <Tak> boost does take for-fucking-ever
Jan 30 15:33:12 <johnx> hrw, so, are you thinking of completely replacing the Nokia ITOS or just building additional apps in OE?
Jan 30 15:33:48 <hrw> johnx: currently additional apps rather
Jan 30 15:34:07 <hrw> johnx: mess called 'repositories' was hard enough with 770
Jan 30 15:34:27 <hrw> 'to install this app you need to add those 3 repositories and remove that one'
Jan 30 15:34:37 <johnx> do you think it will be hard to deal with the names of packages being different in OE vs Nokia ITOS?
Jan 30 15:34:53 <johnx> (libs and other dependencies)
Jan 30 15:35:14 <hrw> johnx: we already solved that ;D
Jan 30 15:35:34 <johnx> really?!
Jan 30 15:35:42 <hrw> yep
Jan 30 15:35:45 <johnx> that's what I miss for not paying attention to OE for a couple months
Jan 30 15:35:52 <hrw> DISTRO="chinook-compat"
Jan 30 15:36:00 <johnx> ah neat trick
Jan 30 15:36:21 * johnx throws scratchbox1 out the window
Jan 30 15:36:47 <djtansey> I can't find anything definitive online. Is there a way to use the onboard camera with skype (I have a new n810)
Jan 30 15:36:59 <vegai> anyone ported ghc to OS2007/2008 yet?
Jan 30 15:37:14 <michele> so you can use OE to develop for maemo?
Jan 30 15:38:03 <hrw> michele: indeed. there are maybe some problems but they will be solved if someone notify us
Jan 30 15:38:25 <michele> ok, I'll read something up then
Jan 30 15:38:33 <michele> would that be better than sbox2 too?
Jan 30 15:39:11 <hrw> michele: I neved used crapbox. I had enough when friends (which do lot of maemo stuff) curse at it
Jan 30 15:39:36 <fysa> long-term, this OE solution is very appealing
Jan 30 15:39:54 <fysa> especially when it comes to new maemo releases and such..
Jan 30 15:40:25 <johnx> djtansey, not presently
Jan 30 15:40:29 <michele> hrw: is there anything written about "OE for maemo users"?
Jan 30 15:40:46 <hrw> michele: not yet
Jan 30 15:41:07 <hrw> michele: basically it is used by few OE devs which got or bought n810's
Jan 30 15:41:09 <michele> just skimming the website OE looks similar to BSD's ports, am I right?
Jan 30 15:41:14 <djtansey> johnx: thanks. is there anyway to chat using the camera? or any plans you know of to enable such a feature. because right now all i can do is take photos of myself. :)
Jan 30 15:41:22 <hrw> michele: or gentoo portage
Jan 30 15:41:51 <johnx> djtansey, gizmo
Jan 30 15:42:27 <johnx> and I think google talk but only for tablet-to-tablet calls (IIRC)
Jan 30 15:42:43 <fysa> aMSN
Jan 30 15:42:58 <fysa> http://www.amsn-project.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3659
Jan 30 15:42:59 <djtansey> johnx: thank you very much. time to familiarize myself with gizmo
Jan 30 15:43:04 <fysa> works with MSN IM
Jan 30 15:43:51 <fysa> have not tried personally yet
Jan 30 15:44:11 <djtansey> fysa: i've never used MSN. but i'll try it if gizmo doesn't work
Jan 30 15:47:42 <michele> urgh... monotone... I think it is the last VCS I don't have
Jan 30 15:48:17 <Tak> vcs-of-the-week is getting a little out of hand
Jan 30 15:50:25 <hrw> ;)
Jan 30 15:50:36 <hrw> I miss old bitkeeper days
Jan 30 15:51:02 <Tak> "First, you need to exclone your monogit branch..."
Jan 30 15:51:24 <mgedmin> oh, I know how to solve the problem -- invent a NEW, BETTER VCS and have everyone switch to it!
Jan 30 15:51:43 <Tak> hooray!
Jan 30 15:51:48 <mgedmin> (that's exactly what happens with python web frameworks, by the way)
Jan 30 15:51:54 <johnx> nah, just have vcs devs fight to the death, thunderdome-style :)
Jan 30 15:51:55 <michele> but this time let's use a serious language, let's to it in Arc!
Jan 30 15:52:05 <Tak> didn't the two major python web frameworks just merge?
Jan 30 15:52:06 <johnx> or sh!
Jan 30 15:52:12 <johnx> or wait...I know! COBOL!
Jan 30 15:55:09 <hrw> BASIC
Jan 30 15:55:14 <hrw> only BASIC
Jan 30 15:55:23 <johnx> nah, too complex
Jan 30 15:55:27 <johnx> TI-BASIC
Jan 30 15:55:36 <zoran> lisp
Jan 30 15:56:35 <johnx> TI-BASIC, "26 variables out to be enough for anyone" or "Functions?! We don't need no stinking functions!"
Jan 30 15:56:56 <zoran> lisp
Jan 30 15:57:25 * johnx thinks back to scheme in college
Jan 30 15:57:47 <hrw> johnx: basic did not have functions
Jan 30 15:57:54 <djtansey> johnx: gizmo with video only works on maemo and on windows, it seems. does that mean a gizmo <4.0 install won't be able to see the video?
Jan 30 15:58:32 <johnx> djtansey, probably
Jan 30 15:58:45 <djtansey> johnx: i guessed as much. thanks for your help.
Jan 30 16:03:09 <johnx> anyways, I need to catch some sleep
Jan 30 16:03:11 <johnx> 'night all
Jan 30 16:03:22 <hrw> n8 johnx
Jan 30 16:03:27 * johnx sleeps
Jan 30 16:03:44 <scibot> When downloading debian packages do I shoot for Arm or Armel?
Jan 30 16:03:57 <pupnik> armel
Jan 30 16:06:22 <pupnik> we could probably fairly easily do a sdl variant that supports 400x240 fullscreen with accelerated blits for RGB565 and double-buffering for the flip() function
Jan 30 16:06:34 <pupnik> getting a lot of tearing now in the exult with smooth walking
Jan 30 16:06:53 <fysa> with snes9x?
Jan 30 16:06:59 <scibot> I'd like to have pygame have that capability too.
Jan 30 16:07:32 <scibot> To do pixel doubling, because right now no one knows how. =/
Jan 30 16:07:33 <pupnik> no, different project.  i think snes9x is just too slow
Jan 30 16:07:52 <Tak> scibot: can't you write a python native wrapper for libXsp?
Jan 30 16:07:54 <fysa> ah
Jan 30 16:08:04 <scibot> Tak, Beats me.
Jan 30 16:08:43 * Tak gets out the whip and points sternly to the grindstone
Jan 30 16:09:00 <fysa> crazy kids
Jan 30 16:09:43 <scibot> Seriously though, if someone could work that out I'd love to do some games.
Jan 30 16:12:05 <linuxkrn> hey guys, some asstard managed to remotely hack my n810.  I just found ssh connections outbound to an APNIC network.  Anyone know of exploits going on for this?
Jan 30 16:12:39 <zaheerm> linuxkrn, ouch
Jan 30 16:12:39 <scibot> Congratulations.
Jan 30 16:12:41 <Tak> did you change/set your passwords when you installed ssh?
Jan 30 16:12:49 <linuxkrn> yep
Jan 30 16:13:00 <linuxkrn> and not some easy /common password either
Jan 30 16:13:13 <zaheerm> what's the default password for the user account?
Jan 30 16:14:34 <linuxkrn> not sure, I changed them both
Jan 30 16:14:44 <linuxkrn> not sure what the default was that is...
Jan 30 16:15:25 <Tak> user didn't used to have a password iirc
Jan 30 16:16:31 <linuxkrn> just tried with blank password and it didn't work
Jan 30 16:17:00 <Tak> no password != blank password
Jan 30 16:17:25 <linuxkrn> I got a password prompt from ssh
Jan 30 16:18:04 <linuxkrn> are there supposed to be files in /var/log?
Jan 30 16:21:13 <linuxkrn> and unless nokia resets the password, I logged in as root and changed "user" password
Jan 30 16:21:47 <Tak> did you change root's password?
Jan 30 16:22:03 <linuxkrn> yes, of course, first thing I did when I installed ssh
Jan 30 16:26:53 <fysa> do you use the same password elsewhere on your network?
Jan 30 16:27:04 <linuxkrn> nope
Jan 30 16:27:47 <fysa> portscan your device IP..
Jan 30 16:28:18 <linuxkrn> I did, it only had one ssh connection out
Jan 30 16:28:18 <fysa> check ssh/logs for access IPs that aren't yours..
Jan 30 16:28:30 <fysa> then grep everything on your network for that
Jan 30 16:28:32 <linuxkrn> logs are empty on the nokia, but not sure if that's normal
Jan 30 16:28:34 <Blafasel> Set PermitRootLogin to no
Jan 30 16:29:04 <linuxkrn> I also checked router and saw only connections from remote->device on port 22
Jan 30 16:29:07 <Blafasel> Always
Jan 30 16:30:11 <linuxkrn> no one answered my question, is the /var/log directory supposed to be empty?
Jan 30 16:30:44 <cyndis_> it's empty on my n810
Jan 30 16:31:17 <linuxkrn> hum, so no other logs to indicate how they got in...  I only saw ssh and dns (53) listening
Jan 30 16:31:49 <linuxkrn> not sure why 53 tcp is listening either
Jan 30 16:31:55 <Blafasel> dnsmasq
Jan 30 16:31:58 <Blafasel> But only on lo
Jan 30 16:32:04 <Blafasel> iirc
Jan 30 16:32:09 <linuxkrn> tcp        0      0 Nokia-N810-42-19:domain *:*                     LISTEN
Jan 30 16:32:12 <linuxkrn> nope, it's all
Jan 30 16:32:42 <linuxkrn> ah, my bad, that's resolve to localhsot
Jan 30 16:33:15 <linuxkrn> I get this too, "netstat: warning, got bogus unix line" about 100 times, is that normal?
Jan 30 16:35:00 <Blafasel> I get that as well
Jan 30 16:35:53 <linuxkrn> not sure about you, but the fact someone can remotely hack this really bothers me, as I said, both root and user had passwords set (different)
Jan 30 16:37:01 <Blafasel> How sure are you that it was hacked in the first place?
Jan 30 16:37:21 <Blafasel> Since your assumption about DNS was wrong as well.. ;)
Jan 30 16:37:29 <linuxkrn> I saw SSH connections OUT from the device to an APNIC network, and I wasn't doing it
Jan 30 16:37:34 <Blafasel> And as I said before: Never ever allow root logins anyway.
Jan 30 16:38:23 <Blafasel> Installed crazy stuff that might do that? After all it could be software as well, dialing our for good or bad
Jan 30 16:38:30 <linuxkrn> normally I don't, but you can't seem to get root easily on the n810
Jan 30 16:38:40 <Blafasel> Install becomeroot
Jan 30 16:38:46 <Blafasel> sudo gainroot - done ;)
Jan 30 16:39:22 <Blafasel> Still sucks, because the "user" username is default as well.
Jan 30 16:39:35 <linuxkrn> well when I looked, it seemed the connections were from "user" account
Jan 30 16:39:58 <Blafasel> Okay.. So I doubt that someone gains root on your device but acts as user.
Jan 30 16:40:07 <Blafasel> Check the installed software.
Jan 30 16:40:44 <linuxkrn> not saying they were root, but they got ssh connections out, and router confirmed one SMTP (spam I'd guess) connection as well
Jan 30 16:41:42 <Blafasel> Let me check that again: The device was behind a router, in a NAT setup?
Jan 30 16:42:21 <Blafasel> Really, no doubt the N810 can be hacked. But this seems a little bit awkward.
Jan 30 16:42:31 <linuxkrn> no, direct IP (I have a static block) but could tell on the router that there was connections to the n810
Jan 30 16:43:02 <tank-man> don't run sshd then
Jan 30 16:43:26 <linuxkrn>     6        50  121.254.26.134   58640  my.ext.ip      22
Jan 30 16:43:28 <sp3000> did you ask lsof -i about what process owns the connections?
Jan 30 16:43:41 <Tak> or restrict the IP block for tablet connections
Jan 30 16:44:18 <coffee88> Hi all.  anyone familiar with inet streams as well as gtkTextBuffer?  I'm trying to work out what I have to do (if anything) to translate to UTF-8 for the buffer?
Jan 30 16:44:25 <coffee88> if that's clear... probably not!
Jan 30 16:44:52 <linuxkrn> no ip restrictions to ssh in, but as I said, I did have changed passwords.
Jan 30 16:45:00 <Tak> coffee88: what format is the incoming text? ASCII?
Jan 30 16:45:24 <linuxkrn> didn't do lsof, I ran netstat on the device, did a "who" and ps to check for rouge processes
Jan 30 16:45:44 <coffee88> Tak: I'll be writing my own server to serve it up...  I'm still getting to grips with streams etc.
Jan 30 16:45:48 <sKaBoy> linuxkrn, so you had a tentative of connection from internet to a public ip? what's strange? Or the connection was from the tablet?
Jan 30 16:46:17 <linuxkrn> sKaBoy: both, I had outside in, and then inside out to same ip
Jan 30 16:47:10 <linuxkrn> looked like, to me, an ssh exploit.  But from what I could tell, no signs of any local exploits.
Jan 30 16:47:11 <coffee88> I'm trying to write a remote control type app to control micorcontroller through serial port on server for home automation...
Jan 30 16:47:49 <coffee88> A lot to learn!
Jan 30 16:48:05 <Tak> so...ascii
Jan 30 16:48:22 <coffee88> would make it easier.  much easier.
Jan 30 16:48:36 <Tak> iirc you don't have to do anything special in that case
Jan 30 16:49:12 <coffee88> though translation is going to have to be done somewhere to get it to UTF-8 for the TextBuffer? Or will it take straight ascii anyway?
Jan 30 16:49:52 <coffee88> I should just get on and try it, I guess, rather than just thinking up potential problems...
Jan 30 16:50:29 <fysa> if it was an ssh exploit, they would likely be on as root.
Jan 30 16:50:32 <fysa> and not user.
Jan 30 16:51:26 <michele> is there scite for os2008?
Jan 30 16:53:22 <michele> coffee88: it will take it. ascii (7-bit) is a subset of utf-8
Jan 30 16:53:52 <fysa> not sure.  I have geany compiling, which uses scintilla
Jan 30 16:54:03 <coffee88> michele: great. thanks.  makes me think this might even be do-able with my current skill level!
Jan 30 16:54:09 <fysa> will package it this weekendish
Jan 30 16:54:58 <michele> geany? I'm a bit behind in text editors it seems...
Jan 30 16:55:13 <fysa> http://www.linuxsoft.cz/screenshot_img/11330-a.jpg
Jan 30 16:55:50 <Dmitri> I have a n770 and want to be able to hook it up to an external HD to play my music while in the car (I have quite a few gigs) I have read about the cable modifications and such neccesary as well as the software patch. But I was wondering if there was an easier solution now that they have portable HDs that can operate in host mode
Jan 30 16:55:55 <coffee88> actually though, will chars passed though a INET socket be ascii?
Jan 30 16:56:18 <michele> fysa: eh, but wouldn't a bare editor be more useful on an IT?
Jan 30 16:56:24 <Dmitri> also I would like to find a solution other than a power inverter in my car to plug this external drive in, any ideas?
Jan 30 16:56:51 <fysa> to some :)
Jan 30 16:56:56 * jott uses gvim on IT
Jan 30 16:56:59 <michele> coffee88: they will be what you will make of them. a network connection moves bytes, it's up to you to send the correct ones
Jan 30 16:57:19 <fysa> I can try scite also.  they use the same engine, geany just has extra tab-type stuff.
Jan 30 16:57:46 <fysa> and the cruft can be 'hidden'
Jan 30 16:57:48 <michele> johnx: I am (also) a vim user, but I find it quite cumbersome on the tablet (no external kbd)
Jan 30 16:58:16 <fysa> I just assumed scite was already around somewhere
Jan 30 16:58:21 <matmo> Dmitri: 2G sd cards are pretty cheap and if your car stereo has a line then no need for HD, inverter, etc
Jan 30 16:58:23 <michele> ops.. that was for jott
Jan 30 16:58:25 <fysa> https://garage.maemo.org/projects/scite/
Jan 30 16:58:31 <matmo> (line-in)
Jan 30 16:58:37 <fysa> who knows if that installs in os2008
Jan 30 16:58:52 <coffee88> michele: But if I use something like n = write(newsockfd,"I got your message",18) ... I'm still confused about what encoding it will send...
Jan 30 16:59:34 <michele> coffee88: ascii
Jan 30 16:59:42 <michele> coffee88: that's an ascii string
Jan 30 16:59:51 <coffee88> michele: great.  thanks.
Jan 30 17:00:02 <Dmitri> matmo: I unfortunately have been spoiled by my ipod which holds 80gbs I have about 60 on it. Also the 770 uses mmc cards unfortunately
Jan 30 17:00:11 <coffee88> i should stop trying to confuse myself.
Jan 30 17:00:18 <michele> coffee88: read this, carefully http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html
Jan 30 17:00:27 <fysa> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/296/screenshot.jpg
Jan 30 17:00:33 <fysa> you ever try that one, michele?
Jan 30 17:00:41 <matmo> never had an ipod so never had that "problem", lol
Jan 30 17:00:56 <michele> fysa: no, I didn't find it
Jan 30 17:01:07 <matmo> re mmc, £7 for 2G here in the UK
Jan 30 17:01:09 <fysa> https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=97&release_id=182
Jan 30 17:01:30 <fysa> let me know if that .deb doesn't work, I can try to recompile it..  hopefully they have patches somewhere hidden
Jan 30 17:03:31 <michele> coffee88: all C strings are ascii, unless *you* encode them
Jan 30 17:04:18 <coffee88> michele: great link.  thanks.  I *think* it's coming together in my brain a little more now.
Jan 30 17:04:20 <michele> and characters outside of the ascii range are likely to come out messed on the other side
Jan 30 17:04:21 <bmidgley> I see references to a kismet port but it's not in the repo... anyone know?
Jan 30 17:06:06 <coffee88> as long as I can just send an ascii string, and plop that straight in a gtkTextBuffer, I'll be happy. :-)
Jan 30 17:09:27 <matmo> anyone porting apps had "operation not permitted" from ALSA?
Jan 30 17:25:06 <benno2> hi all, do you know if one can change the roaming threshold of the wlan card can be changed ? I have a problem: 2 access points and when I move from the 1st to the 2nd the n800  only switches to the 2nd when the connection is very low and applications like vnc then lose the connection. any idea ?
Jan 30 17:27:11 <benno2> do you think I can change these parameters via /proc or pass them to the wlan module of the n800 ?
Jan 30 17:27:44 <doc|home> benno2: there's information on the wiki about the wifi strength, not sure if it'll have that but it's worth a look
Jan 30 17:28:10 <benno2> doc|home: thanks where can i find the specific page ? any pointers ?
Jan 30 17:28:25 <doc|home> benno2: sorry, don't have it handy. maemo.org's wiki
Jan 30 17:28:39 <doc|home> I haven't done anything, just noticed it there
Jan 30 17:36:24 <benno2> doc|home: thanks, btw is the n800 wilan driver open source ? just in case i need to change the roaming threshold and it is not supported to be changed via proc or module parameter
Jan 30 17:38:07 <benno2> http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/iwconfig.html
Jan 30 17:38:20 <fysa> no, I don't believe so benno
Jan 30 17:38:32 <hrw> benno2: wifi driver is closed source
Jan 30 17:38:43 <hrw> its same in all tablets - cx3110
Jan 30 17:38:55 <benno2> sens 	Set the sensitivity threshold.  ... On modern cards, this parameter usually control handover/roaming threshold, the lowest signal level for which the hardware remains associated with the current Access Point.
Jan 30 17:39:10 <benno2> For high density of Access Points, a higher threshold make sure the card is always associated with the best AP, for low density of APs, a lower threshold minimise the number of failed handoffs.
Jan 30 17:39:18 <fysa> is it a module or in the kernel?
Jan 30 17:39:28 <benno2> this seems interesting ... i hope the nokia wifi module accepts the sens parameter in iwconfig
Jan 30 17:39:44 <benno2> thanks for the infos  fysa, hrw
Jan 30 17:40:55 <benno2> I will try later, the only thing is whether I can set this parameter when the wifi link is already up
Jan 30 17:43:43 <milhouse> anyone having problems running apt-get update against stock repositories?
Jan 30 17:43:50 <milhouse> (OS 2008, N810)
Jan 30 17:43:57 <hrw> milhouse: I did that few hours ago
Jan 30 17:44:00 <milhouse> mine is just hanging
Jan 30 17:44:13 <milhouse> on http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com chinook Release.gpg
Jan 30 17:45:15 <milhouse> very very slow response from http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/dists
Jan 30 17:45:35 <hrw> milhouse: if it is on same netlink as maemo.org it is normal
Jan 30 17:45:38 <milhouse> yay... nokia server is bombing out again - got an error page now
Jan 30 17:45:45 <milhouse> "An error occurred while processing your request.
Jan 30 17:45:45 <milhouse> Reference #97.61a4f57.1201715120.6b9f6ed0 "
Jan 30 17:46:01 <milhouse> there's trouble at mill
Jan 30 17:46:33 <milhouse> I'm sure the klaxons and alarms are going at Maemo HQ so we can all rest easy, the servers are well monitored and looked after
Jan 30 17:46:48 <fysa> What's that, Lassie?  Timmy (in IT) is in trouble??
Jan 30 17:46:48 <milhouse> (sarcasm)
Jan 30 17:46:55 <milhouse> lol
Jan 30 17:47:12 <milhouse> Someone get Ferenc on the hotline!
Jan 30 17:47:26 <milhouse> it's a one-man operation after all
Jan 30 17:48:12 <milhouse> by the way - the above error from the nokia server was a "Gateway Timeout"
Jan 30 18:15:51 <milhouse> looks like the upstream nokia server is now fixed...
Jan 30 18:18:53 <smackpotato> anyone a wizz with X11
Jan 30 18:19:45 * Tak throw Getaway Timeout; jump into waiting sportscar
Jan 30 18:25:21 <lardman> evening all
Jan 30 18:26:11 <lardman> Did maemo 2.1 use the later eabi?
Jan 30 18:26:23 <lardman> or current eabi even
Jan 30 18:27:44 <milhouse> nope, catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/dists/chinook/user/binary-armel/Packages.gz is still stuffed up - getting MD5Sum mistmatch now. Way to go Nokia
Jan 30 18:28:30 <lardman> yeah, I got an md5sum mismatch on libc6 source yesterday
Jan 30 18:29:28 <Tak> 2.1 should have been the same eabi
Jan 30 18:29:48 <lardman> Tak: Thanks, just looking for a toolchain with FORTRAN
Jan 30 18:30:05 <lardman> Tak: which will still run on a Chinook system
Jan 30 18:32:26 * hostdog waves around handling his a-day old old nokia 770 :)
Jan 30 18:32:47 * Tak using 770 right now
Jan 30 18:33:00 <hostdog> Tak, using Xchat? :)
Jan 30 18:33:31 <Tak> I'm not chatting from the 770; I'm using it to listen to music
Jan 30 18:33:38 <lardman> anyone know what nvd_data does?
Jan 30 18:33:40 <hostdog> oh oh
Jan 30 18:33:41 <Tak> but yeah, I run xchat on it
Jan 30 18:33:48 <hostdog> Tak, ++ :)
Jan 30 18:33:53 <Tak> and xchat-ruby and a couple of homerolled scripts ;-)
Jan 30 18:34:29 <hostdog> At last I found a great gadget in which I find good
Jan 30 18:35:07 <hostdog> If only my neighbours were a little more wifi-powered ;)
Jan 30 18:43:50 <konttori> I just today tested out the usb host mode stuff on the n810. Really cool stuff. Just plugged in the keyboard and wham. it worked. no external power needed. Same for USB memory stick. Bam and it worked. Pretty cool.
Jan 30 18:44:26 <Sargun> sexy
Jan 30 18:44:29 <konttori> I'll try to blog about that stuff a bit tomorrow.
Jan 30 18:44:52 <konttori> So, all I needed was one usb F-F standard adaptor and the cable coming with the device
Jan 30 18:44:58 <hostdog> hey, btw
Jan 30 18:44:59 <Blafasel> wham and bam sounds more like violent tries though ;)
Jan 30 18:45:01 <konttori> should be really useful for all n800 owners
Jan 30 18:45:16 <konttori> well, it was all surprisingly smooth.
Jan 30 18:45:17 <hostdog> do you know if it exists a limit for Partitioning MicroSD memories ?
Jan 30 18:45:19 <Lynoure> konttori: setting changes too? or no?
Jan 30 18:45:26 <konttori> no settings needed
Jan 30 18:45:36 <konttori> well, I did run 'go to usb host mode' script
Jan 30 18:45:45 <Lynoure> cool, might save me from getting a EeePC
Jan 30 18:45:59 <Lynoure> Did it exist, or did you write it?
Jan 30 18:46:08 <konttori> It exists already
Jan 30 18:46:19 <konttori> I might do some nicer version of it tomorrow though
Jan 30 18:46:29 <Lynoure> Give url to the blog anyway? I don't want to miss it :)
Jan 30 18:46:29 * hostdog wonders if he could find a keyboard for his old nokia 770
Jan 30 18:46:46 <smackpotato> whats with the wiki needing a password
Jan 30 18:46:46 <konttori> Does 770 has usb host mode?
Jan 30 18:46:47 <glass> bt kb's should work
Jan 30 18:47:04 <konttori> yeah, but bt is bt (expensive)
Jan 30 18:47:07 <glass> it has host but you need a special cable that provides power
Jan 30 18:48:17 <hostdog> :/
Jan 30 18:49:21 <konttori> ah, 770 doesn't provide any power. ok i see
Jan 30 18:49:56 <konttori> well, at least for me, any keyboard that doesn't have USB HUB worked (I tried 3, one with hub)
Jan 30 18:50:18 <BugBlue> mmm
Jan 30 18:50:39 <BugBlue> is there any nice way to sync data from a N810 with mac os X (I mean iCal or Addressbook)?
Jan 30 18:50:59 <konttori> Lynoure: here's the blog url: http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/
Jan 30 18:52:15 <Lynoure> konttori: how much faster does the battery drain?
Jan 30 18:52:27 <konttori> no idea. probably not much
Jan 30 18:52:39 <konttori> the current is tiny (that the device provides for usb)
Jan 30 18:52:41 <fysa> BugBlue: GPE Calendar can sync with Google Calendar through some script.
Jan 30 18:52:53 <fysa> BugBlue: Perhaps you can sync iCal with Google Calendar too?
Jan 30 18:53:05 <hostdog> Tak, how long does your 770 battery last?
Jan 30 18:53:20 <Tak> depends what I'm doing, really
Jan 30 18:53:23 <glass> kb's dont eat much power
Jan 30 18:53:26 <Tak> just playing music, several days
Jan 30 18:53:36 <hostdog> Tak, :O
Jan 30 18:53:47 <hostdog> Tak, w/o wifi, right?
Jan 30 18:53:48 <Tak> constant chatting, coding, browsing, only a few hours
Jan 30 18:54:06 <BugBlue> fysa: I don't want all my dates on google...
Jan 30 18:54:14 * hostdog batts only last 4 hours, hopefully
Jan 30 18:54:20 <fysa> it's a private calendar.
Jan 30 18:54:33 <fysa> have you used it before?
Jan 30 18:54:42 <BugBlue> I use google calendar.. but still
Jan 30 18:54:47 <BugBlue> let's give it a try somehow
Jan 30 18:54:59 <BugBlue> I have gpe installed ..
Jan 30 18:55:04 <Tak> Dates syncs with gcal as well
Jan 30 18:55:26 <BugBlue> http://www.spanningsync.com/ ...
Jan 30 18:56:13 <hostdog> Which huge differencies exists between 770s and 8xx?
Jan 30 18:56:15 <fysa> http://blog.locationist.net/2008/01/18/gpe-calendar-erminig-google-calendar-installation/ http://david.hautbois.free.fr/joomla/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=48&task=listcat&catid=2
Jan 30 18:57:13 <BugBlue> fysa: the first is already bookmarked here.
Jan 30 18:57:14 <BugBlue> ...
Jan 30 18:57:32 <smackpotato> how long have you needed a pasword for maemo wiki or is it just a bug
Jan 30 18:57:38 <Tak> n8?? have faster cpu, more ram, and sd or minisd card slots
Jan 30 18:59:24 <hostdog> Tak, do you know which CPU has N8xx's ?
Jan 30 19:00:46 <BugBlue> mmm how does Erminig do vcal?
Jan 30 19:01:00 <BugBlue> (didn't have to look at the source)
Jan 30 19:03:07 <BugBlue> mmm one time import should be sufficient
Jan 30 19:04:02 <smackpotato> the screen is nicer on the810
Jan 30 19:04:28 <Tak> oh yes, and the n810 has a keyboard
Jan 30 19:13:02 <hostdog> oh
Jan 30 19:13:03 <hostdog> :/
Jan 30 19:13:31 <hostdog> I thought It would be easier to get a bluetooth keyboard
Jan 30 19:13:41 <Tak> it may be
Jan 30 19:13:57 <hostdog> but, It costs about half the price of the maemo I've
Jan 30 19:20:20 <BugBlue> oke importing ics files in GPE calendar works
Jan 30 19:21:39 <BugBlue> hostdog: a bluetooth keyboard and mouse costed be about 80 euro's (but that was a bundle with a new overpriced computer called Apple MacMini)
Jan 30 19:22:00 <BugBlue> (that's 118.16US$)
Jan 30 19:22:36 <hostdog> OMG!
Jan 30 19:22:49 <hostdog> BugBlue, I payed about 200 for the whole gadget
Jan 30 19:23:10 <hostdog> 120 u$s for it's really much more than I can pay for it
Jan 30 19:23:40 * hostdog lives in a country in which dollar is _really_ expensive converted into local money
Jan 30 19:24:11 <glass> hostdog: thats only a problem if customs are a bitch
Jan 30 19:24:22 <lardman> I keep getting configure errors: as: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-tcp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Jan 30 19:24:25 <lardman> anyone seen this?
Jan 30 19:24:52 <hostdog> glass, I don't get pay into dollars
Jan 30 19:25:04 <lardman> presumably I need an extra L
Jan 30 19:25:10 <lardman> "-L"
Jan 30 19:25:22 <hostdog> I have to convert my local money to dollars, and the exchange costs me 4times
Jan 30 19:25:45 <Blafasel> Hmm.. For the EU the dollar is quite nice/weak ;)
Jan 30 19:25:58 <hostdog> Yes :/
Jan 30 19:26:23 <hostdog> I think it's life rules :)
Jan 30 19:26:33 <hostdog> s/think/guess/
Jan 30 19:26:33 <infobot> hostdog meant: I guess it's life rules :)
Jan 30 19:31:13 <Dmitri> can someone post me a link to one of the tutorials on getting a usb hard drive enclosure working with the n770? All I seem to be able to find now is n800 instructions
Jan 30 19:32:08 <hostdog> OMG, is that posible? :O
Jan 30 19:32:37 <Dmitri> hostdog: yea, its a fair bit of work though
Jan 30 19:32:40 <hostdog> Dmitri, I'm not sure if the n770 usb can power on the hdd :/
Jan 30 19:32:52 <hostdog> Dmitri, I see
Jan 30 19:32:57 * hostdog loves mods :)
Jan 30 19:33:03 <Dmitri> hostdog: it can't you have to provide external power
Jan 30 19:33:07 <hostdog> Well, not doing them, just watching them :)
Jan 30 19:33:19 <hostdog> Dmitri, oh, that may work
Jan 30 19:41:08 <smackpotato> where can i find gainroot script for the n810
Jan 30 19:41:34 <hostdog> smackpotato, It's likely to be the same as n770
Jan 30 19:42:24 <smackpotato> cool
Jan 30 20:11:14 <gerrymoth> Trying to irc using my n800 builtin chat. Has it worked?
Jan 30 20:12:07 * BugBlue uses ssh and irssi but xchat works fine too
Jan 30 20:12:51 <|tbb|> gerrymoth: yeah you need rtfcomm beta installed then iirc
Jan 30 20:13:14 <Tak> heh, if I understand correctly, gerrymoth has already installed rtfcomm-beta and is currently IRCing from it
Jan 30 20:13:36 <s1d> i hear you like mudkipz Tak
Jan 30 20:13:36 <|tbb|> ah k ;)
Jan 30 20:13:44 <gerrymoth> Thanks its working. Have rtcomm and update2
Jan 30 20:14:25 <Tak> sorry, I only speak english
Jan 30 20:16:57 <gerrymoth> I've been looking for a app to edit screenshots to basically hide some things and the post to my wordpress blog. Anyone suggest anything?
Jan 30 20:29:53 <Dmitri> can someone post me a link to one of the tutorials on getting a usb hard drive enclosure working with the n770? All I seem to be able to find now is n800 instructions
Jan 30 20:30:44 <Dmitri> I understand that n8x0/2008 have made things a lot easier, but I don't have the funds for a new tablet right now...
Jan 30 20:44:39 <ds3> wow 8G microSDHC cards are steep
Jan 30 20:45:55 <bmidgley> johnx: all a2dp optimizations are in bluez-utils head now
Jan 30 20:46:15 <cbx33> hey people
Jan 30 20:46:22 <ds3> bmidgley: are you refering to the stuff that was recently posted on the bluez-list?
Jan 30 20:46:25 <cbx33> how stable is abiword for the n800
Jan 30 20:46:58 <bmidgley> ds3 yes
Jan 30 20:47:00 <cbx33> for some reason osso_notes segfaults on my n810
Jan 30 20:47:20 <cbx33> not sure why
Jan 30 20:47:28 <ds3> cool, didn't seem clear if it was going to be accepted or not
Jan 30 20:48:23 <bmidgley> it's good... Marcel's picking at it revealed a cleaner solution that is faster as well
Jan 30 20:48:59 <ds3> it is all part of libsbc, isn't it?
Jan 30 20:49:55 <bmidgley> the standalone libsbc is on life support only... this is the copy of the sbc codec inside bluez-utils
Jan 30 20:50:46 <ds3> oh
Jan 30 20:51:03 <ds3> is that true of the plugz package?
Jan 30 20:57:25 <Tama^2> Hello
Jan 30 21:04:22 <lardman> hmm, not impressed my computer keeps locking up
Jan 30 21:05:50 <GeneralAntilles> Hit it with a stick.
Jan 30 21:06:49 <lardman> yeah, perhaps that's what disagrees with it?
Jan 30 21:16:28 <nwidger> hello, does anyone know how i have to set the audio preferences so that sounds from skype are heard but not the system sounds, like when you minimize a window?
Jan 30 21:18:26 <Tama^2> in OS2008?
Jan 30 21:18:51 <nwidger> yeah
Jan 30 21:18:58 <lcuk> just a wild assed guess, but have you looked at the sound options in control panel?
Jan 30 21:19:09 <nwidger> lcuk: gah
Jan 30 21:19:21 <nwidger> lcuk: the settings are pretty ambiguous
Jan 30 21:19:31 <Tama^2> in the sound options you can select a level for user interaction generated sounds
Jan 30 21:19:47 <nwidger> lcuk: are the skype sounds "system sounds"
Jan 30 21:19:57 <Tama^2> no they are not
Jan 30 21:20:14 <nwidger> Tama^2: so if i just turn everything off in the control panel i should still hear skype sounds?
Jan 30 21:20:39 <Tama^2> not sure about the 'everything'
Jan 30 21:20:52 <Tama^2> there are three categories of sounds
Jan 30 21:21:00 <nwidger> Tama^2: well skype surely isnt 'key sounds' or 'touch screen sounds'
Jan 30 21:21:16 <Tama^2> fine what is the third?
Jan 30 21:21:23 <ion_cu_vaca> hi
Jan 30 21:21:23 <Tama^2> (do not have the device with me)
Jan 30 21:22:11 <ion_cu_vaca> I'm trying to install dosbox on OS2008. does anyone know how to get the keyboard working?
Jan 30 21:23:04 <keesj> Tama^2: my feeling is that every sound source has it's own sound level + the overall level(the last one might be hardware) and the rest esd stuff
Jan 30 21:23:15 <lcuk> "System Sounds: Off, Level 1, Level 2"   "Key Sounds: Off, Level 1, Level 2"  "Touch Screen Sounds: Off, Level 1, Level 2"  "Master Volume: Slider"     with master volume fully on, and system/key/touchscreen all off i can still hear it when applications do thing
Jan 30 21:23:30 <nwidger> lcuk: cool, thanks :)
Jan 30 21:23:40 <mzlplx> #topic
Jan 30 21:24:11 <nwidger> one other question: is there any timeplan for when the integrated aim support will come out of beta?
Jan 30 21:24:34 <GeneralAntilles> nwidger, afaik, Skype doesn't fall under any of those headings.
Jan 30 21:24:51 <GeneralAntilles> nwidger, probably the next firmware update, but that's pure conjecture.
Jan 30 21:24:58 <nwidger> GeneralAntilles: hmmm, ok.  cool
Jan 30 21:26:11 * lcuk is freezing
Jan 30 21:26:22 * GeneralAntilles is not.
Jan 30 21:26:44 <lcuk> would you email some warmth to me ?
Jan 30 21:26:59 <lardman> Any scratchbox gurus about?
Jan 30 21:27:17 <GeneralAntilles> My thermal digitizer is broken, sorry.
Jan 30 21:27:43 <Blafasel> Why?
Jan 30 21:27:52 <Blafasel> Send him the (in)famous shell bomb
Jan 30 21:27:53 <lardman> I'm trying to build Octave 3.0.0 and part wat through configure it fails. Looking at config.log it's due to this: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-tcp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Jan 30 21:28:09 <Blafasel> And tell him to put his feet on the machine ;)
Jan 30 21:28:10 <lardman> The file exists, but now nothing will run, always producing the same error message
Jan 30 21:29:12 <GeneralAntilles> lcuk, go open a copy of CINEBENCH or something.
Jan 30 21:29:48 <lcuk> on my maemo? :P
Jan 30 21:29:57 <hrw|gone> lardman: use OE to build octave for maemo
Jan 30 21:30:13 <Blafasel> Only if you want to feel hot because of the bursting flames that come out of your ex-toy
Jan 30 21:30:35 <lardman> hrw|gone: will that work?
Jan 30 21:31:17 <hrw|gone> lardman: DISTRO="chinook-compat" makes it work (use same toolchain as maemo)
Jan 30 21:31:33 <lardman> ah, good stuff :)
Jan 30 21:31:35 <hrw|gone> or nearly same as we build it not fetch binaries
Jan 30 21:31:45 <lardman> thanks hrw
Jan 30 21:31:54 <hrw|gone> lardman: np
Jan 30 21:32:19 <keesj> hrw|gone: really?
Jan 30 21:32:27 <hrw|gone> lardman: I know that you are familiar with OE so I do not want you to get hairs off due to fighting with crapbox
Jan 30 21:32:56 <hrw> keesj: really
Jan 30 21:33:11 <lardman> hrw|gone: lol, scratchbox normally works, seems there's something screwing it up in this configure script
Jan 30 21:33:37 <dhd> lardman: thanks for the pointer to the vorbis code, I will look at it soon
Jan 30 21:33:44 <lardman> hrw: I've seen it before iirc, just got to remember what it was (back when developing for the Zaurus)
Jan 30 21:33:47 <lardman> dhd: np
Jan 30 21:34:15 <lardman> dhd: If you have any comments/patches/etc then they will be gladly accepted; I'm pretty busy atm
Jan 30 21:34:17 <keesj> nice
Jan 30 21:34:18 <bmidgley> ds3 plugz is history--don't use it
Jan 30 21:36:12 <hrw> lardman: I wonder does "os2006-compat" would be able to be done so I will build few apps for 770
Jan 30 21:36:16 <hrw> s/apps/games ;D
Jan 30 21:36:43 <Tak> upgrade to 2007he already
Jan 30 21:37:10 <hrw> Tak: and lose battery life
Jan 30 21:37:10 <lardman> hrw: Different version of libc mainly
Jan 30 21:37:22 <hrw> lardman: I know
Jan 30 21:37:23 <Tak> lose?
Jan 30 21:37:27 <hrw> Tak: yes
Jan 30 21:37:29 <Tak> I haven't lost any battery life...
Jan 30 21:37:41 <lardman> hrw: Good news that OE can now be used :)
Jan 30 21:37:42 <hrw> Tak: I had 2007he on 770 and 2-4h and it was dead
Jan 30 21:38:01 <hrw> Tak: not to mention lot of 'memory just get out'
Jan 30 21:38:26 <Tak> yeah, I did add extra swap to mine, although it's generally ok if I don't install python
Jan 30 21:38:41 <hrw> Tak: I still have only 64MB rs-mmc card
Jan 30 21:39:11 <|tbb|> apropos battery-life :  will a ssh-server while wlan0 isnt connected to any ap eat battery power, much?
Jan 30 21:39:26 <Tak> |tbb|: mine doesn't seem to do so
Jan 30 21:40:01 <glass> i don't see why it would
Jan 30 21:40:13 <glass> it's not polling anything or something like that afaik
Jan 30 21:42:34 <|tbb|> good to know
Jan 30 21:43:52 <lardman_> ~lart my Linux box
Jan 30 21:43:52 * infobot plops my Linux box into a giant vat of herring
Jan 30 21:49:13 <ion_cu_vaca> so, nobody knows how to install xkbd on OS2008?
Jan 30 21:50:04 <lardman_> you got a .deb for it?
Jan 30 21:50:49 <ion_cu_vaca> yeah, but i think the deb is for prev os. i got install file corrupt, or something like that
Jan 30 21:51:41 <lardman_> corrupt may be just that, if it's from os2007 it ought to complain about missing deps if anything
Jan 30 21:51:48 <lardman_> otoh it may just work
Jan 30 21:52:05 <lardman_> My Octave build from maemo 2.1 works on os2008
Jan 30 21:54:44 <hrw> lardman: cause octave is shell application
Jan 30 21:55:24 <lardman_> indeed, but xkbd may work if the xlibs are backwards compat
Jan 30 21:57:14 <lardman_> hrw: Are the OR.mtn snapshots broken?
Jan 30 21:57:20 <lardman_> s/OR/OE
Jan 30 21:57:26 <ion_cu_vaca> i'll try again
Jan 30 21:57:34 <lardman_> mtn: misuse: layout of database /home/simon/development/OE/OE.mtn doesn't match this version of monotone
Jan 30 21:58:45 <hrw> lardman_: no idea - I do not use them. maybe you fetched snapshot of too new version for your monotone
Jan 30 21:59:06 <lardman_> ah, could be it, notes still say 0.32
Jan 30 21:59:10 <lardman_> I'll update
Jan 30 21:59:38 <hrw> iirc we have snapshot for 0.32
Jan 30 21:59:48 <hrw> lardman_: look into /snapshots/ dir
Jan 30 21:59:55 <lardman_> hmm, seems to have 0 size
Jan 30 22:01:14 <hrw> lardman_: please mail OE ML about it
Jan 30 22:01:38 <hrw> lardman_: you can upgrade monotone or fetch 0.31 snapshot and 'db migrate' it
Jan 30 22:01:44 <hrw> lardman_: I suggest newer monotone
Jan 30 22:02:06 <lardman_> yeah, my version of Mandrake is so old it lists 0.28 as current
Jan 30 22:02:22 <Blafasel> Is it evil to mix apt-get with the package management tool?
Jan 30 22:02:51 <lcuk> i thought package management tool was just a front end to apt
Jan 30 22:03:05 <lardman_> finally :)
Jan 30 22:03:07 <hrw> Blafasel: it is not evil
Jan 30 22:03:16 <hrw> Blafasel: and apt-get works much better ;d
Jan 30 22:03:37 <lcuk> command line version gets you where you want to go quickly without holding hands
Jan 30 22:03:44 * lcuk prefers the hand holding version tho
Jan 30 22:04:17 <Blafasel> Yeah, I ask because some websites warn that you shouldn't mix aptitude and apt-get, apparently.
Jan 30 22:04:23 <hrw> lcuk: good luck with upgrading 'map' package then
Jan 30 22:04:25 <Blafasel> And I wondered if this was a similar case.
Jan 30 22:04:39 <hrw> Blafasel: aptitude<>apt-get is simple reason
Jan 30 22:05:04 <hrw> Blafasel: aptitude does logging and track autoinstalled stuff. apt-get removes autoinstalled infos
Jan 30 22:05:14 <Blafasel> hrw: So what. I didn't know if "package manager" was a different cow again
Jan 30 22:05:56 <Reinard> hey, does someone know some good program to stream part of desktop online?
Jan 30 22:06:19 <Reinard> vlc would be great but it only streams whole desktop
Jan 30 22:06:39 <GeneralAntilles> VNC you mean?
Jan 30 22:07:30 <ds3> is there a nice port of a vnc viewer? (nice as in supporting the full screen/zoom keys)
Jan 30 22:07:51 <Reinard> no, i mean vlc with 0.8.6>'s capture possibilities
Jan 30 22:08:15 <GeneralAntilles> Part of the desktop?
Jan 30 22:08:16 <GeneralAntilles> What?
Jan 30 22:08:16 <|tbb|> Blafasel: have you checked mce.ini?
Jan 30 22:08:20 <Reinard> vlc screen://
Jan 30 22:08:56 <Reinard> i have resolution of 1920x1200 in my pc.. i want to stream 400x240 piece of top corner online
Jan 30 22:09:06 <Blafasel> |tbb|: Yep, thanks! Still looking for NJoy color format docs. Maybe a better-than-hello-world app for me would include a PatternEditor
Jan 30 22:09:25 <Reinard> i tried camtasia with vlc, but it didn't work
Jan 30 22:09:25 <lcuk> reinard, that would suck if a window was offscreen
Jan 30 22:09:25 <|tbb|> would be nice
Jan 30 22:09:57 <Reinard> well yes, but still
Jan 30 22:11:05 <lcuk> if its linux desktop cant you start a new x session just for sending remotley, but set that up at resolution required?
Jan 30 22:11:28 <hrw> bye all
Jan 30 22:11:29 * lcuk is not a ninja so doesnt know (ive just heard about ppl doing it)
Jan 30 22:11:42 <Reinard> i have windows vista (which sucks)
Jan 30 22:12:08 <Reinard> i think i'll still try to setup my resolution 400x240, hope it works
Jan 30 22:12:15 <lcuk> how about getting a recent version of VNC which has server side scaling (only sends small amount of screen?)
Jan 30 22:12:43 <Reinard> well i could try that
Jan 30 22:12:47 <lcuk> or hack the source for vnc/vlc to grab/send only a small portion
Jan 30 22:13:06 <lcuk> but i doubt it would be really useful
Jan 30 22:13:28 <lcuk> i wonder if vnc session could be made to change scaling factor based upon +- buttons on 8x0
Jan 30 22:14:04 <lcdd> being a streaming software vlc probably has filters for cropping and scaling
Jan 30 22:14:53 <lcuk> does vlc let you interact with desktop that its sending?
Jan 30 22:14:57 <lardman_> aaargh
Jan 30 22:15:01 <lardman_> bloody computer!
Jan 30 22:15:16 * lardman_ needs to build a kernel with serial output and see what's killing things
Jan 30 22:15:28 <Reinard> by the way, why does my mplayer in maemo scale stream (400x240) to 400x250 before playing, then it doesn't even display it in full screen, but leaves black bars top and bottom... so the image is too flat
Jan 30 22:15:35 <lcuk> lardman_ you need to install a superior version of the kernel - the windows vista one looks good ;)
Jan 30 22:16:08 <Reinard> yes i think vlc should have all the settings, i'll try to discover those
Jan 30 22:16:22 <lardman_> lcuk: strangely WinXP seems to work ;)
Jan 30 22:16:34 <lardman_> lcuk: Shame Mandrake doesn't. Grr!
Jan 30 22:17:32 <lcuk> oooer what have you done to it
Jan 30 22:18:00 <lardman_> it's either not happy with the sound system, or with the graphics cards
Jan 30 22:18:33 <lcuk> recent problem or have you been nursing it for a while
Jan 30 22:18:43 <ustunozgur> Reinard: vlc -H --advanced :)
Jan 30 22:19:10 <ustunozgur> 1617 lines
Jan 30 22:19:17 <lardman_> lcuk: been a while, but normally only happens from time to time
Jan 30 22:20:08 <lcuk> apart from tonight...
Jan 30 22:20:25 <lardman_> yep, when I've got loads of windows open and doing lots of things, it strikes!
Jan 30 22:20:55 <lardman_> I should fix it, can't believe the power switch is good for the system, but been busy
Jan 30 22:42:07 <ds3> the headphones that come w/the N800 aren't half bad
Jan 30 22:42:49 <hachi> I'm having a problem here with modest
Jan 30 22:43:01 <GeneralAntilles> ds3, right, they're all bad. :P
Jan 30 22:43:13 <hachi> anytime I'm not in range of a network it causes the icd window to open
Jan 30 22:43:24 <GeneralAntilles> Have you updated?
Jan 30 22:43:32 <GeneralAntilles> I think there was an update about a week ago that fixed that.
Jan 30 22:43:34 <hachi> twice, since the problem started
Jan 30 22:43:40 <GeneralAntilles> Maybe not, then.
Jan 30 22:43:41 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno.
Jan 30 22:43:44 <hachi> I've been checking every few hours
Jan 30 22:43:53 <hachi> okay, more like 8
Jan 30 22:44:22 <maddler> hey all...
Jan 30 22:44:31 <maddler> hi GeneralAntilles
Jan 30 22:44:42 <GeneralAntilles> Howdy
Jan 30 22:45:34 <hachi> also, maemo extras has been throwing a gzip error for about a week now
Jan 30 22:45:39 <hachi> when I try to do an apt-get update
Jan 30 22:46:01 <hachi> I've tried flushing the lists files too, is anyone else having this problem?
Jan 30 22:47:12 <hachi> and I think that's causing my 'check for updates' window to say "operation failed" every single time I open it
Jan 30 22:47:21 <hachi> but I still get updates for modest and pidgin
Jan 30 22:48:14 <lardman_> hachi: look at the log
Jan 30 22:48:32 <lardman_> Tools menu iirc
Jan 30 22:48:35 <hachi> what log? I'm running atp-get update manually
Jan 30 22:48:42 <hachi> so that I can see the real errors
Jan 30 22:48:53 <hachi> gzip is failing on maemo extras, like I already said
Jan 30 22:49:01 <lardman_> ah, my apologies
Jan 30 22:50:08 <hachi> oop, new error now
Jan 30 22:50:32 <hachi> wait no, same one... Err http://maemo-hackers.org mistral Release
Jan 30 22:54:05 <GNUtoN810> Hi
Jan 30 22:54:06 <lardman_> hrw: it's taken this long, but I've finally issued a "bitbake octave" :)
Jan 30 22:54:49 <GNUtoN810> What's the best irc client for maemoì
Jan 30 22:54:53 <GNUtoN810> ?
Jan 30 22:54:55 <hachi> gzip seems to be hung on repository.maemo.org chinook/free Packages
Jan 30 22:56:11 <hachi> this is looking like that same hang bug that apt has had for like... 3 years now
Jan 30 22:58:03 <GeneralAntilles> xchat, GNUtoN810.
Jan 30 23:04:31 <maddler> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TOOO MEEEEEEEEEEE! :d
Jan 30 23:04:38 <johnx> w00!
Jan 30 23:05:32 <lardman_> happy birthday maddler
Jan 30 23:05:35 <GNUtoN810> Happy birtday maddler!
Jan 30 23:05:40 <lardman_> how old are you?
Jan 30 23:05:43 <GNUtoN810> :)
Jan 30 23:07:20 <dphil9000> chinook is not a production distro?
Jan 30 23:07:46 <lardman_> flash images produced using it are installed on production machines
Jan 30 23:08:23 <dphil9000> if i add a chinook repository to the catalog it doesn't list any new apps
Jan 30 23:08:37 <maddler> :D
Jan 30 23:09:04 <lardman_> dphil9000: which repo are you adding? extras?
Jan 30 23:09:04 <johnx> dphil9000, in application manager?
Jan 30 23:09:16 <maddler> lardman_: 36 :)
Jan 30 23:09:18 <maddler> getting older :D
Jan 30 23:09:18 <lardman_> dphil9000: if not extras, you need to enable red pill mode to see the contents
Jan 30 23:09:24 <lardman_> :)
Jan 30 23:09:37 <lardman_> but you're still happy, so can't all be bad
Jan 30 23:09:46 <dphil9000> just called Maemo chinook.  it has the app i need, udhcpc
Jan 30 23:10:09 <dphil9000> should have listened to morpheus ...
Jan 30 23:10:27 <lardman_> red pill mode
Jan 30 23:10:39 <johnx> or apt-get from the command line
Jan 30 23:10:41 <dphil9000> ok, i saw the howto somewhere
Jan 30 23:10:50 <dphil9000> apt-get would be excellect
Jan 30 23:11:06 <timelyx> hachi: if you don't mind a stale repository, i have one
Jan 30 23:12:20 <hachi> I don't seem to be having the problem you think I am
Jan 30 23:12:27 <johnx> dphil9000, I think the tablet comes with udhcpc ...
Jan 30 23:12:48 <Blafasel> grats, maddler
Jan 30 23:13:02 <lardman_> dphil9000: yeah, see the output of ps
Jan 30 23:13:45 <dphil9000> that's what apt-get just said, latest version installed.  maybe it's not in my path
Jan 30 23:13:57 <lardman_> prob need to be root
Jan 30 23:14:00 <maddler> Blafasel: thank you!
Jan 30 23:15:29 <dphil9000> cool, works as root
Jan 30 23:15:40 <dphil9000> should have figured that
Jan 30 23:16:30 <dphil9000> one step closer to bluetooth pan
Jan 30 23:17:20 <ds3> the built in media player's UI sure gets sluggish playing music :(
Jan 30 23:23:06 <dphil9000> bnep0 is up, need to get it an ip address
Jan 30 23:23:49 <dphil9000> either install dhcpd on the laptop or set it as static
Jan 30 23:31:43 <_collin_> he
Jan 30 23:34:28 <lardman_> hmm, strange how sometimes -mtune=arm1136jf-s is needed and sometimes -mtune=arm1136jfs
Jan 30 23:37:01 <|tbb|> hi collin, and gnite all
Jan 30 23:39:11 <lardman_> night all
Jan 30 23:55:46 <Bofu2U> any chance someone has a second to help me with a osso_xterm problem? aparently ./file isn't working, says not found. :P
Jan 30 23:56:22 <GeneralAntilles> Are you in the right directory?
Jan 30 23:56:29 <Bofu2U> yes
Jan 30 23:56:31 <Bofu2U> ls shows the file
Jan 30 23:56:40 <johnx> is the file executable
Jan 30 23:56:44 <Bofu2U> yes, chmod +x'd
Jan 30 23:56:46 <lcdd> the interpreter does not exist
Jan 30 23:56:55 <Bofu2U> lost me
Jan 30 23:57:25 <johnx> he's saying that whatever you put at the top of the file "#!/bin/foo" doesn't exist
Jan 30 23:57:44 <Bofu2U> its a compiled C application
Jan 30 23:57:47 <Bofu2U> the actual error is: "-sh: ./hello: not fount"
Jan 30 23:57:52 <Bofu2U> its just the hello world application :-/
Jan 30 23:57:54 <Bofu2U> not found*
Jan 30 23:58:20 <GeneralAntilles> Escape space
Jan 30 23:58:25 <GeneralAntilles> ./hello\ world
Jan 30 23:58:33 <GeneralAntilles> Space is an argument delimiter.
Jan 30 23:58:46 <Bofu2U> there is no world, I shortened it to hello
Jan 30 23:58:50 <Bofu2U> its just 'hello'
Jan 30 23:59:04 <GeneralAntilles> Is it capitalized?
Jan 30 23:59:14 <Bofu2U> no
Jan 30 23:59:23 <GeneralAntilles> Does tab-completion work on the name?
Jan 30 23:59:33 <Bofu2U> yes
Jan 31 00:00:39 <johnx> random thought: is it compiled for the right architecture? You didn't accidentally compile it with scratchbox set to CHINOOK_X86?
Jan 31 00:01:09 <Bofu2U> I dont think so but I may have left it in something else
Jan 31 00:01:19 <Bofu2U> I just started developing today.. that's a good chance.. let me boot my laptop.
Jan 31 00:01:44 <johnx> you can install 'file' on the tablet and just run it against hello
Jan 31 00:03:34 <Bofu2U> says..
Jan 31 00:03:52 <Bofu2U> hello: ELF 32 bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (ARM), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
Jan 31 00:04:09 <Bofu2U> that ARM part is wrong isn't it.
Jan 31 00:04:21 <johnx> nope. it's right
Jan 31 00:04:38 <Bofu2U> well thats not good
Jan 31 00:04:56 <johnx> it was just a long shot as I've gotten weird errors sometimes by trying to run things of the wrong architecture
Jan 31 00:05:12 <Bofu2U> I guess ill try a re-compile from scratchbox then transfer it again
Jan 31 00:05:17 <johnx> sh hello
Jan 31 00:05:21 <Bofu2U> error
Jan 31 00:05:22 <johnx> exec ./hello
Jan 31 00:05:26 <Bofu2U> exec.. 1 sec
Jan 31 00:05:28 * johnx shrugs
Jan 31 00:05:44 <Bofu2U> interesting
Jan 31 00:05:45 <Bofu2U> blank screen
Jan 31 00:06:03 <johnx> as in, it crashed your shell?
Jan 31 00:06:07 <johnx> nice
Jan 31 00:06:15 <Bofu2U> looks like it
Jan 31 00:06:22 <Bofu2U> winner.
Jan 31 00:06:24 <johnx> that's pretty interesting
Jan 31 00:06:29 <Bofu2U> ok I guess ill keep trying
Jan 31 00:06:30 <lcdd> exec kinda does that, doesn't it
Jan 31 00:06:51 <johnx> lcdd, I ran into it once before...but I thought it must not be that common
Jan 31 00:07:07 * johnx should probably man exec ...
Jan 31 00:09:14 <Bofu2U> k emailing it to the nokia..
Jan 31 00:09:38 <johnx> hmm?
Jan 31 00:09:45 <Bofu2U> thats how I get the files on there
Jan 31 00:10:12 <johnx> it might be easier to install an ssh server on the nokia
Jan 31 00:10:23 <Bofu2U> yeah
Jan 31 00:10:25 <Bofu2U> all in good time
Jan 31 00:10:25 <Bofu2U> heh
Jan 31 00:10:30 <johnx> :)
Jan 31 00:11:14 <Bofu2U> k saved as hello2
Jan 31 00:11:17 <Bofu2U> chmod +x...
Jan 31 00:11:53 <GeneralAntilles> e-mail . . .
Jan 31 00:12:04 <johnx> ... is awesome?
Jan 31 00:12:21 <GeneralAntilles> Is fail for file transfers. :D
Jan 31 00:12:37 <Bofu2U> same problem
Jan 31 00:12:38 <Bofu2U> :-/
Jan 31 00:12:40 <Bofu2U> not found
Jan 31 00:13:07 <johnx> Bofu2U, want to email it to me and I'll try and see what's up?
Jan 31 00:13:28 <Bofu2U> yeah sure
Jan 31 00:13:30 <Bofu2U> email address?
Jan 31 00:13:54 <johnx> unfortunate_name@hotmail.com
Jan 31 00:14:23 <johnx> GeneralAntilles, yeah, I tried to tell people that for years...then gmail came along with 2GB of storage and I just got tired of saying it
Jan 31 00:14:33 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
Jan 31 00:15:45 <dragorn> if you a) compiled it for the wrong arch b) somehow massively munged up your ld.so or c) failed to encode it in some sane way in email and it's now scrambled
Jan 31 00:16:00 <dragorn> then it'll try to process as a script and return file not found when it can't figure out what the interpreter should be
Jan 31 00:16:10 <dragorn> or if the lib encodings are so broken it can't load the linkers
Jan 31 00:16:37 <ds3> or it was compiled with a diff version of ld.so
Jan 31 00:16:43 <dragorn> or d) stripped it w/ the wrong arch stripper, that'll ruin the binary pretty significantly
Jan 31 00:17:04 <dragorn> ds3: Would have to be really different, but yeah.  I don't think theres been a ld.so breakage in years though.
Jan 31 00:17:08 <Bofu2U> whats the best way to transfer files between laptop -> nokia, the USB cable probably?
Jan 31 00:17:25 <dragorn> http.  scp.  file share.  mount the nokia over usb.
Jan 31 00:17:31 <johnx> scp
Jan 31 00:17:37 <johnx> or better yet: sshfs
Jan 31 00:18:03 <johnx> sshfs over wireless is pretty nice
Jan 31 00:18:10 <GeneralAntilles> and slow.
Jan 31 00:18:14 <dragorn> i've had bad experiences with sshfs
Jan 31 00:18:22 <dragorn> Which granted were quite some time ago
Jan 31 00:18:44 <GeneralAntilles> Just make yourself a couple of scp scripts so things are faster.
Jan 31 00:18:49 <johnx> dragorn, I've used it extensively very recently with nothing but good results
Jan 31 00:22:32 <johnx> even ldd doesn't like it O_o
Jan 31 00:23:34 <ds3> dragorn: I have had it happened a bit on other arm platforms (haven't done enough unusual stuff on the nokias for it happen yet)
Jan 31 00:23:56 <dragorn> johnx: run file on it
Jan 31 00:24:11 <johnx> hello: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), not stripped
Jan 31 00:25:09 <dragorn> interesting.  Well, something is screwed.
Jan 31 00:25:46 * johnx installs hexedit
Jan 31 00:25:57 <ds3> run strings against it and see if the ld.so string matches what's expected
Jan 31 00:26:08 <johnx> /lib/ld-uClibc.so.0
Jan 31 00:26:09 <johnx> :)
Jan 31 00:26:20 <johnx> could that be a clue? :D
Jan 31 00:26:23 <ds3> heh
Jan 31 00:26:51 <johnx> Bofu2U, congratulations. You win the confusing problem of the morning award
Jan 31 00:27:00 <johnx> please sign here to accept your prize :D
Jan 31 00:27:25 <ds3> I didn't know there is a distributed copy of uCLibc dev. environment for the 800's
Jan 31 00:27:28 <Bofu2U> lol
Jan 31 00:27:31 <Bofu2U> it works on yours doesnt it
Jan 31 00:27:38 <johnx> nope
Jan 31 00:27:42 <johnx> ldd won't even run it
Jan 31 00:27:53 <ds3> ldd requires ld.so to be functional
Jan 31 00:27:55 <Bofu2U> what the heck
Jan 31 00:27:58 <Bofu2U> ok
Jan 31 00:28:00 <Bofu2U> lets tyr this
Jan 31 00:28:01 <johnx> doesn't work on N800 or Zaurus, ITOS or Debian
Jan 31 00:28:02 <dragorn> no, you managed to build it with uclibc, which is very odd.  You did something special when you made your build environment. :P
Jan 31 00:28:09 <johnx> it's linked against uClibc
Jan 31 00:28:22 <Bofu2U> ok what'd I break.
Jan 31 00:28:29 <ds3> most people with a uClibc dev environment tend to be aware of that
Jan 31 00:28:45 <johnx> are you using scratchbox?
Jan 31 00:28:48 <Bofu2U> yes
Jan 31 00:28:57 <johnx> and did you follow a howto? or just kind of set it up on your own?
Jan 31 00:29:02 <Bofu2U> howto
Jan 31 00:29:32 <Bofu2U> want me to make a new profile? or should I scrap it and re-install
Jan 31 00:29:52 <johnx> er...just link me to the howto
Jan 31 00:30:00 <Bofu2U> its the scratchbox one..
Jan 31 00:30:17 <Bofu2U> download binaries, untar, run "dothisfirst"
Jan 31 00:30:33 <johnx> where...there are lots of howtos floating around for maemo+scratchbox
Jan 31 00:31:12 <Bofu2U> http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/docbook/installdoc.html#install
Jan 31 00:32:43 <Bofu2U> I did from there to chapter 3 straight
Jan 31 00:32:49 <ds3> did you install scratchbox-toolchain-arm-gcc3.2-uclibc20040229?
Jan 31 00:32:52 <Bofu2U> and the hello world compiles & exec's in scratchbox
Jan 31 00:33:05 <johnx> if you have a fast connection it might just be easier to scrap this and grab the maemo sdk
Jan 31 00:33:12 <dragorn> Bofu2U: Ah.  You followed a generic SB howto, not the maemo one to get the same libs as the device.
Jan 31 00:33:40 <johnx> I'll defer to someone else on suggestions/thoughts on if this sb install can be salvaged easily
Jan 31 00:33:48 <dragorn> I wouldn't bother
Jan 31 00:34:01 <dragorn> since maemo has packages and scripts to install it all
Jan 31 00:34:07 <alterego> One of my friends just dropped my N810 at high velocity at a concrete drive way.
Jan 31 00:34:11 <alterego> I wouldn't recommend it.
Jan 31 00:34:26 <dragorn> Ouch
Jan 31 00:34:35 <alterego> Not a scratch
Jan 31 00:34:51 <dragorn> lucky
Jan 31 00:34:56 <GeneralAntilles> Very lucky.
Jan 31 00:34:58 <alterego> Not really.
Jan 31 00:35:01 <GeneralAntilles> Did you beat him up?
Jan 31 00:35:10 <alterego> It was my neoprene sock.
Jan 31 00:35:15 <alterego> The damn thing bounced,.
Jan 31 00:35:53 <alterego> The sounds it made. It was quite beautiful. You could tell it was like "Neah, that'd didn't hurt."
Jan 31 00:36:14 <alterego> So, I advise people to make or get neoprene sleeves.
Jan 31 00:36:49 <johnx> Yeah, they are awesome
Jan 31 00:37:21 <johnx> is neoprene waterproof or water "resistant" ?
Jan 31 00:37:26 <alterego> Nether.
Jan 31 00:37:36 <alterego> Neoprene absorbs water.
Jan 31 00:37:46 <johnx> ah.
Jan 31 00:37:50 <johnx> then I guess I was just lucky
Jan 31 00:38:00 <alterego> The idea is, in a wetsuit. That it keeps a layer of water between it and your skin, which your body heats up.
Jan 31 00:38:01 <ds3> put it in an otter box
Jan 31 00:38:05 <alterego> To act as insulation.
Jan 31 00:38:48 <alterego> I wasn't going to cut up my 150 pound dry suit to make a case.
Jan 31 00:39:07 <Bofu2U> k so the verdict is maemo SDK
Jan 31 00:39:08 <alterego> Which, wouldn't be as good shock protection IMO. Neoprene is pretty much perfect in that aspect.
Jan 31 00:39:14 <johnx> Bofu2U, yes
Jan 31 00:39:22 <Bofu2U> thanks a lot guys, saved my ass :P
Jan 31 00:39:34 <johnx> sure
Jan 31 00:39:37 <johnx> it was a fun problem
Jan 31 00:39:45 <johnx> Bofu2U, http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo_4_0_chinook_sdk.html
Jan 31 00:40:05 <alterego> Anyhow, I'm knackered. Good night folks :)
Jan 31 00:40:11 <Bofu2U> thanks johnx
Jan 31 00:40:12 <johnx> 'night alterego
Jan 31 00:40:16 <Bofu2U> will work on debian?
Jan 31 00:40:28 <alterego> Bofu2U, debian is the way forward ;)
Jan 31 00:40:41 <Bofu2U> hehe
Jan 31 00:40:47 <Bofu2U> I just got my first debian machine running
Jan 31 00:40:48 <Bofu2U> well virtual machine
Jan 31 00:40:52 <Bofu2U> I like it so far. I was a slack user :o
Jan 31 00:40:54 <johnx> Bofu2U, works best in Debian
Jan 31 00:41:09 <alterego> Yeah, installing scratchbox in debian is the best way to go.
Jan 31 00:41:26 <alterego> Ubuntu is the next best, though, pretty much the same ;)
Jan 31 00:41:32 <johnx> goes together like peanut-butter and ... more peanut-butter
Jan 31 00:41:38 <tekonivel> yo.  there's no way to tune the Osso mailer to code messages in quoted-printable instead of base64.  the former is (barely) readable on lame email systems, latter hardly :/
Jan 31 00:42:45 <Bofu2U> oops
Jan 31 00:42:48 <Bofu2U> you know what I just noticed
Jan 31 00:43:02 <Bofu2U> toolchain-arm-gcc4.10uclibc
Jan 31 00:43:03 <Bofu2U> :o
Jan 31 00:43:09 <Bofu2U> you said uclibc was bad, right?
Jan 31 00:43:10 <Bofu2U> :P
Jan 31 00:43:14 <tekonivel> i'm afraid my colleagues are tangled by horrible, horrible email systems that don't support MIME properly (can you believe that?)
Jan 31 00:43:41 <johnx> well it's not *bad* it's just that it's not the libc that Nokia's Linux distro uses :)
Jan 31 00:44:03 <ds3> you could install uClibc on the N800 if you got flash to spare
Jan 31 00:44:05 <ds3> ;)
Jan 31 00:45:13 <johnx> ds3, actually I tried running it in /mnt/initfs but it's a different version of uclibc
Jan 31 00:45:15 <johnx> heh :D
Jan 31 00:46:29 <ds3> sigh i hate google
Jan 31 00:46:32 <pupnik> poll, favorite cflags for omap2420 performance?  (even guesses are ok)
Jan 31 00:46:55 <johnx> ds3, hmm?
Jan 31 00:47:09 <pupnik> just  CFLAGS="-O3 -mcpu=arm1136j-s -mtune=arm1136j-s -fomit-frame-pointer  for me right now
Jan 31 00:47:39 <ds3> johnx: their db is so polluted, to get some useful answers, I pretty much have to almsot always do -ebay -craigslist -patent -patents -mysimon -globalspec to every search
Jan 31 00:48:00 <johnx> yeah
Jan 31 00:48:10 <johnx> have any better suggestions?
Jan 31 00:48:13 <ds3> and if I search for patent, it would match patent and patents, but if I do -patent it would not take out -patents
Jan 31 00:48:22 <johnx> also with domain "tasting" going away it should help a little
Jan 31 00:48:47 <ds3> yeah, a database that disallows merchants to sell stuff and a seperate database for selling stuff
Jan 31 00:49:11 <ds3> and reverting to the old style of searching for what you want by default and not trying to guess
Jan 31 00:50:18 <petergunn> databases eeeew! ;-)
Jan 31 00:51:30 <Esworp> Has anyone had any os2008 trouble with erming?
Jan 31 00:53:55 <smackpotato> any here know X11
Jan 31 00:54:18 <tekonivel> smackpotato: i know a thing or two about oldsk00l x11
Jan 31 00:54:42 <tekonivel> smackpotato: not properly though. what's up?
Jan 31 00:55:00 <smackpotato> talk to me about pointer grabs
Jan 31 00:55:33 <ds3> it isn't polite to grab ;)
Jan 31 00:55:43 <tekonivel> smackpotato: lol, i'm not sure if they ever were very popular
Jan 31 00:56:06 <smackpotato> lol
Jan 31 00:56:34 <tekonivel> smackpotato: i know what it is and i've encountered it on Ultrix, VAX and Domain/OS, but don't know how to implement it, i'm afraid
Jan 31 00:56:55 <smackpotato> how do i warp the pointer whengrabed
Jan 31 00:57:10 <smackpotato> ok thanks anyway
Jan 31 00:57:15 <tekonivel> smackpotato: sorry mate
Jan 31 00:59:44 <smackpotato> im trying to make the tablet more like a trackball .any ideas
Jan 31 01:02:03 <GeneralAntilles> <_>
Jan 31 01:02:09 <GeneralAntilles> Plug in a trackball? :P
Jan 31 01:03:27 <zerojay> Considering the fact that trackballs work on relative terms and the touchscreen works on absolute terms, you might have problems with that.
Jan 31 01:04:57 <zerojay> A trackball only answers the question of "how far are we since the last check" and "what speed are we going at" where as the touchscreen just asks "where the fuck are we?"
Jan 31 01:08:47 <smackpotato> ya i am having trouble
Jan 31 01:10:39 <tekonivel> smackpotato: while at it, why not make it possible to use the N800 as a trackpad controller over USB and Bluetooth? <grin>
Jan 31 01:11:18 <tekonivel> smackpotato: just kidding mate (but it's a nifty idea, innit?)
Jan 31 01:12:03 <smackpotato> i can map the stylus button 5 then send fake button 1 as i wannt
Jan 31 01:14:48 <smackpotato> its just a pain using the stylus when the keyboard is open
Jan 31 01:15:36 <ds3> for the X.org server, you could write a translating driver and feed the input to the standard mouse driver
Jan 31 01:16:58 <smackpotato> ya the is even a translating library tslib but its beond me
Jan 31 01:26:20 <dskippy> I am having a hard time streaming raw audio to my laptop from my nokia using gstreamer.
Jan 31 01:27:08 <dskippy> I am running the following command on the laptop: "gst-launch tcpserversrc host=192.168.1.110 port=3000 ! queue ! audioconvert ! alsasink
Jan 31 01:27:17 <dskippy> And then this on the nokia
Jan 31 01:27:28 <dskippy> gst-launch dsppcmsrc ! queue ! audio/x-raw-int,channels=1,rate=8000 ! audioconvert ! tcpclientsink host=192.168.1.110 port=3000
Jan 31 01:27:48 <dskippy> I get "not negotiated" on the server's output.
Jan 31 01:28:14 <dskippy> The issue must be with the audio/x-raw-int part. I've been fiddling with it a lot. Seems like that's what it should be.
Jan 31 01:28:25 <dskippy> A few tutorials use that or something like it.
Jan 31 01:28:34 <dskippy> But I still can't get it to negotiate.
Jan 31 01:28:49 <Bofu2U> hmm
Jan 31 01:29:02 <Bofu2U> anyone: just rebooted, says "you must close your other scratchbox sessions first"
Jan 31 01:29:06 <Bofu2U> any idea where the lock files are? :P
Jan 31 02:33:37 <elb-tablet> I kind of wish all these maemo packagers would get with the program nd use the same category names
Jan 31 02:34:24 <johnx> but making up your own category names is half the fun!
Jan 31 02:34:55 <elb-tablet> And that my completion dictionary would come back...
Jan 31 02:35:06 <johnx> "it was hard to write, it should be hard to install!"
Jan 31 02:36:38 <pupnik> hehe
Jan 31 02:36:58 <elb-tablet> Hmm, turning off the second language brought back the dictionary
Jan 31 02:37:25 <GeneralAntilles> Plug in a trackball? :P
Jan 31 02:37:28 <GeneralAntilles> Crap
Jan 31 02:37:31 <elb-tablet> These input methods seem a bit buggy ;-)
Jan 31 02:37:55 <pupnik> GeneralAntilles: you interested in working on exult by any chance?
Jan 31 02:38:22 <Tama^2> trackball? plug in a *paddle* I say
Jan 31 02:38:23 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, I lack three things: skills, time, and a development environment.
Jan 31 02:39:35 <pupnik> it's not rocket science but i just don't understand enough about C
Jan 31 02:39:53 <pupnik> oh well ... nothing to do but press on
Jan 31 02:40:16 <GeneralAntilles> My biggest problem is that I'm all PPC here.
Jan 31 02:41:21 <elb-tablet> Doesn't sound problematic to me!
Jan 31 02:41:32 <Tama^2> C? bring it on! ;)
Jan 31 02:42:38 <petergunn> ever tried k ? - it beats the pants of C
Jan 31 02:42:46 <j0tt> pupnik: have you done anything more about it? i started some mouse-button swapping against exult 1.2 (the current cvs did crash too frequently for me)
Jan 31 02:43:06 <pupnik> j0tt: HI!!!!
Jan 31 02:43:30 <pupnik> current cvs crashing too much for me too!  i'm working on integrating the pocketPC changes
Jan 31 02:44:14 <pupnik> so I created my own __tablet__ #define like the UNDER_CE define
Jan 31 02:44:27 <pupnik> and went through the tree picking which parts of the UNDER_CE would apply to the tablet
Jan 31 02:44:48 <pupnik> then i added Keyboard_gump and touchscreen to the automake stuff (but i don't understand if that's working right)
Jan 31 02:45:16 <pupnik> trying to make upstream-compatible changes (it's not so easy)
Jan 31 02:45:27 <pupnik> but if we just hacked the source for a 'forked' build it would be a lot easier
Jan 31 02:45:50 <pupnik> just include manually the code needed and there won't be so many problems with the includes and links
Jan 31 02:45:50 <j0tt> yeah i tried that too .. (UNDER_CE stuff..) but all much too unstable at the moment
Jan 31 02:46:27 <pupnik> :/
Jan 31 02:46:46 <pupnik> i have something that mostly-builds... do you want to take a look at it and see why the final link fails?
Jan 31 02:47:05 <pupnik> or can you share your cvs tree with the merged under_ce stuff?
Jan 31 02:47:25 * j0tt hopes that he has not deleted it ;)
Jan 31 02:50:31 <j0tt> pupnik: http://pastebin.ca/885766
Jan 31 02:50:51 <j0tt> compiles fine (that is cvs from jan 14)
Jan 31 02:52:04 <pupnik> thanks!
Jan 31 02:52:46 <pupnik> with those changes, does the touchscreen mode toggle work?
Jan 31 02:53:18 <j0tt> i think it was
Jan 31 02:53:20 <j0tt> http://pastebin.ca/885769
Jan 31 02:53:38 <j0tt> thats the current fake_rmb patch against 1.2 (can be used with the sid package)
Jan 31 02:54:10 <j0tt> there are 2 more patches in the series (your keybindings and the resolution)
Jan 31 02:54:21 <pupnik> oki
Jan 31 02:54:22 <j0tt> actually not yours
Jan 31 02:54:32 <j0tt> but i also touched it as you did ;)
Jan 31 02:54:39 <j0tt> +F6            useitem                 178 0   # Show map
Jan 31 02:54:40 <j0tt> +F8            toggle_combat
Jan 31 02:54:42 <j0tt> just like this
Jan 31 02:55:04 <j0tt> (more n810 friendly ;)
Jan 31 02:55:29 <j0tt> ah and i included the scaling thingie..
Jan 31 02:55:52 <pupnik> there are also changes needed for arm-aligned blitting
Jan 31 02:56:00 <pupnik> Xsp scaling?
Jan 31 02:56:43 <pupnik> the scale2x scaler works nicely, but it still requires the full 800x480 final blit, so that has to go.
Jan 31 02:58:39 <j0tt> pupnik: dget -x http://sse2.net/exult/exult_1.2-13.dsc
Jan 31 02:59:13 <j0tt> no.. just the zaurus codepath in ibuf8.cc
Jan 31 02:59:23 <pupnik> ok right
Jan 31 02:59:39 <elb> if anyone knows how to package a firefox extension for microb, I'd love to see pwdhash
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