**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Feb 02 02:59:57 2008 Feb 02 03:01:39 Hi, has anyone worked out how to do pixel doubling in pygame yet? Feb 02 03:05:47 disq: Is there any way to specify the connection information from the command line, as with the normal rdesktop? Feb 02 03:11:36 Hello, all. I'm the owner of a Web-Operating system project (like a desktop, on the internet). This works with all PCs, mobiles, iPhones, and Nokia tablets ;). I was curious as to if someone would create an application (that simply opened an "iframe" or somethign similiar to the free website) Feb 02 03:12:03 Kggk: A bookmark? Feb 02 03:12:10 ? Feb 02 03:12:41 It would be a normal icon (perhaps, saying the name of the program :P), that when clicked opened NOT in the web-browser, but acted like an actual application Feb 02 03:13:49 i suppose something without scrollbar and without the urlbar (just a plain gtkmozembed hello-world ;-) Feb 02 03:14:02 oh, the Kggk invasion Feb 02 03:14:40 Notice, Shackan, these people didn't rape me with troll posts :P Feb 02 03:14:51 I didn't either Feb 02 03:15:16 Never said you did :P Just showing there won't be any soft of "invasion" here. No wars to begin :P Feb 02 03:15:39 anyway, you want something like vnc, but with a browser window? Feb 02 03:15:45 Jott: Not sure what all that would take to complete, but if you'd be willing to develop a small amount of time i'd be glad to thank you in the credits (its a community-based project) Feb 02 03:16:08 Not sure what you mean, shackan, but that sounds nothing like what Im trying to accmoplish Feb 02 03:16:19 why are you set against the web browser Feb 02 03:16:20 ? Feb 02 03:16:24 vnc is a remote desktop client Feb 02 03:16:31 yes i'm aware Feb 02 03:16:43 on a limited device which is likely to have the wb browser already open, I think the browser is the obvious choice Feb 02 03:16:52 you just wnat ot be able to hide extraneous widgets for your window Feb 02 03:17:21 Ah, no your missing what i'm saying. Feb 02 03:18:02 I've done the same thing here I have with windows. My WebOS is a web-application, and on Windows i made a simple C app that opened an "iframe" in a window (acting like an application). I'd like to do the saem on the Nokia tablet Feb 02 03:18:57 So the Nokia tablet would have a button alongside "for example" Notepad, IM, WebOS, MP3 Feb 02 03:19:05 yes, I understand Feb 02 03:19:09 Kggk: probably you already know but there is an app for OSX that does what you need for intel macs Feb 02 03:19:25 and I'm saying that on a device with severe resource constraints, using the existing web browser is the Right Choice Feb 02 03:19:35 ITOS doesn't have a native "web" widget like Windows does Feb 02 03:19:40 Ah Feb 02 03:19:49 elb: no gtkmozembed? Feb 02 03:19:59 sure there is gtkmozembed Feb 02 03:20:02 cannot recall the name though.. Feb 02 03:20:03 and there is also webkit Feb 02 03:20:06 shackan: ... which would be loading a SECOND web browser! Feb 02 03:20:14 elb: I know Feb 02 03:20:20 the point is, most people *already* have MicroB open Feb 02 03:20:32 or are likely to at various points in time Feb 02 03:20:36 elb: but most of that memory would be shared between the two Feb 02 03:20:49 maybe, maybe not Feb 02 03:20:59 gecko isn't known for being svelte and memory-efficient ;-) Feb 02 03:21:07 heh, very true Feb 02 03:21:44 yeah hopefully we have a useable webkit hildon interface soon :) Feb 02 03:22:13 jott: until webkit becomes the default browser, it means having two browser open anyway Feb 02 03:22:14 jott: hi Feb 02 03:22:21 which isn't better Feb 02 03:22:25 pupnik: hi Feb 02 03:22:37 i built the 1.2 and it segfaulted after failing to fork the midi player Feb 02 03:23:07 do you have an idea what might be needed? Feb 02 03:23:15 opengl http://www.unrealvoodoo.org/hiteck/projects/maemo/ Feb 02 03:23:52 pupnik: hmm.. maybe it's due to my full sdl_mixer? Feb 02 03:24:28 ah yes Feb 02 03:25:47 otherwise, are all your changes in debian/patches? Feb 02 03:25:49 shackan: yeah anyway i'll cheer when i can completely dump mozilla off the IT ;) Feb 02 03:25:55 pupnik: yes.. Feb 02 03:26:11 unique311: looks fun but i don't think it will be usable for anything that needs speed Feb 02 03:26:28 jott: and off my desktop too Feb 02 03:27:10 yeah i barely use it there anyway .. Feb 02 03:27:13 unique311: might be worth trying out with a 2d game like secret maryo war Feb 02 03:28:57 pupnik: hmm well with pixel doubleing this could be reasonable fast (if the es implementation is good) Feb 02 03:30:32 pupnik, i was thinking armagetron also. Feb 02 03:31:04 the he has a port of neverball in the repo. Feb 02 03:31:26 s/the// Feb 02 03:31:27 unique311 meant: he has a port of neverball in the repo. Feb 02 03:31:40 jott: i'll just add --enable-music-ogg to the libsdl-mixer1.2 debian/rules yes? or is there something else Feb 02 03:32:54 Does anyone know what is stored in /home/user/MyDocs/.games? Feb 02 03:33:01 rlaager: not at this point. you can write shell scripts to switch over the config files (or i think it was gconf?) though Feb 02 03:33:23 i wouldn't touch it unique311 . look at how slow glxgears runs Feb 02 03:33:41 pupnik: afair this should be enough (given you have vorbis/ogg dev packages/headers installed) Feb 02 03:33:48 its for bora, might have to compile it for chinook.. Feb 02 03:33:53 too lazy. Feb 02 03:34:47 pupnik: have you tested this with vfp? Feb 02 03:35:52 disq: Would it be easier for me to just fix it correctly? Is this rdesktop based off the real rdesktop? Feb 02 03:36:05 no Feb 02 03:37:33 could give a 4-5x boost and plus pixel doubling would maybe even make it usable for some more or less simple stuff Feb 02 03:40:01 btw i take that back about maryo world - tried it with mesa on an athlon 2800xp and it got maybe 0.3 fps Feb 02 03:42:37 hmm Feb 02 03:42:44 http://syslog.movial.fi/archives/46-N800-VFP-or-not-to-VFP.html jott: notes on vfp Feb 02 03:42:46 it worked for the n800 Feb 02 03:43:40 super maryo world built and worked for bora. Feb 02 03:44:03 the opengl version? Feb 02 03:45:32 no Feb 02 03:45:57 sdl i think Feb 02 03:46:08 runs really nice. Feb 02 03:46:13 pupnik: yeah.. i guess everything heavily gobject based will suck.. Feb 02 03:46:50 pupnik: lower level libs will imho not cause such drastic bottlnecks in criticial inner-loop operations Feb 02 03:47:14 yes the article is just interesting, not applicable to one-off sdl builds Feb 02 03:47:18 (maybe some libs need to be rebould) Feb 02 03:47:33 build Feb 02 03:47:48 pupnik: yep..interesting article anway Feb 02 03:49:13 unique311: i was talking about the OpenGL version of Maryo World. I'll bet you that no opengl game will run playably using that OpenGL es library. Feb 02 03:49:26 you right. Feb 02 03:50:04 i'll give it a try, when i'm feeling live. Feb 02 03:50:19 see how the game he makes available work on the n800 Feb 02 03:50:22 are there actually any floss gl-es gamesß Feb 02 03:53:06 rlaager: you can do it i guess. it's got some hacks, so would be better if you worked on the maemo port's sources. they sould be in the garage svn Feb 02 04:19:56 wow Feb 02 04:33:15 Will anyone test my webOS on their tablet? Feb 02 04:34:24 Only if you give me a dollar. Feb 02 04:34:49 Will you accept 3 quarters, two dimes, and a nickel? Feb 02 04:39:43 Kggk: do you need extra software to do this? Feb 02 04:40:00 I'm happy to load a web page Feb 02 04:40:38 You shouldn't (runs with basic AJAX). The URL is ExiousOS.com (account creation is a matter of choosing your username and password) Feb 02 04:40:47 it'd be very appreciated, elb! Feb 02 04:42:36 Horizontal scroll on the index page. :( Feb 02 04:43:01 The new user dropdown goes off the page. Feb 02 04:43:59 yeah, quite a bit of horizontal scroll even in full-screen Feb 02 04:44:20 what about when logged in? Feb 02 04:44:32 Wont accept my info Feb 02 04:46:13 its case sensitive Feb 02 04:46:16 yeah, the create button is disabled Feb 02 04:46:30 Try clicking either the image or the text Feb 02 04:46:33 Created on a desktop, it worked then. Feb 02 04:46:34 neither works Feb 02 04:46:35 its a wee-bit buggy Feb 02 04:46:40 Desktop icons stack on eachother by default. Feb 02 04:47:07 i'm assuming thats the fault of the Tablet Feb 02 04:47:11 How do you say fullscreen in french? anyone Feb 02 04:47:17 the tablet is Mozilla Feb 02 04:47:24 i tried the babelfish, and came up with nothing Feb 02 04:47:30 Oops Feb 02 04:47:34 How do I close the calculator? Feb 02 04:48:12 ahh, I see, the 'new user' field is not visible on the tablet Feb 02 04:48:13 the button at the top Feb 02 04:48:21 the rendering bugs are different on my desktop, so I can see it there Feb 02 04:48:36 unique311 "plein ecran" Feb 02 04:48:38 it's still not right Feb 02 04:49:40 also, can you tell me which tablets your on? Feb 02 04:49:50 OS2008 Feb 02 04:49:53 the login button doesn't work on my tablet, either Feb 02 04:49:58 n810, OS2008 Feb 02 04:51:12 actually, it doesn't work on my desktop *or* my tablet Feb 02 04:51:28 ahh shift+reload fixed it on the desktop Feb 02 04:52:54 ... and then on the tablet Feb 02 04:53:28 :P Feb 02 04:55:07 man -03 does take time Feb 02 04:56:29 Kggk: not all keys on the calculator render, and the buttons (including the close button) don't seem to do anything Feb 02 04:56:55 on the calculator only? Feb 02 04:58:06 some buttons work, some don't Feb 02 04:58:29 I can open the calendar, for example, and I can create schedule events by clicking ... but I can't change them in any way, and the little x doesn't destory them Feb 02 04:59:20 wait, maybe it does -- the clicking area is just *way* too small to hit reliably Feb 02 05:00:48 Overall, would you deem it usable? Feb 02 05:00:56 depends on your definition Feb 02 05:01:05 it's really not prepared for a display with the dot pitch of the tablet Feb 02 05:01:13 the controls and widgets are *tiny* Feb 02 05:01:26 like, 1mm x 1mm for icons and buttons Feb 02 05:01:36 Face_stats.cc: In destructor `Face_stats::~Face_stats()': Feb 02 05:01:36 Face_stats.cc:308: internal compiler error: in verify_local_live_at_start, at flow.c:546 Feb 02 05:01:39 Please submit a full bug report, Feb 02 05:01:42 argh Feb 02 05:02:05 pupnik: yeah seen a couple of those ;) Feb 02 05:02:24 gcc 3.4.4 is really buggy Feb 02 05:03:24 you can work around a copule of those bugs Feb 02 05:03:50 it's related to my cflags perhaps Feb 02 05:03:55 but i want to use these cflags :( Feb 02 05:04:09 it's much more usable on my desktop Feb 02 05:04:21 googling it ... any ideas jott? Feb 02 05:04:54 actually, it's pretty impressive Feb 02 05:05:13 Is there anyone here I could persuade to work along with the community in "sizing it up" for some smaller tablets? (somewhat of a Resolution) option Feb 02 05:05:15 Thank you, elb :) Feb 02 05:06:04 pupnik: not adhoc.. in the end it would be so nice to use gcc 4.x.. or atleast have a patched 3.4.4 :) Feb 02 05:06:58 Also, thank you General Antilles for your help Feb 02 05:07:03 Sure Feb 02 05:07:06 Cool stuff. Feb 02 05:07:17 The browser-OS stuff just doesn't really appeal to me much. ;) Feb 02 05:07:21 hey jott, i just reran the g++ line without -03 and it compiled! Feb 02 05:07:32 ah nice Feb 02 05:07:38 easy solution ;) Feb 02 05:07:42 Ah, as it doesn't along with maaany others. Trust me, i've heard it all ;) Feb 02 05:07:53 i had some which where not that trivial ;) Feb 02 05:07:55 but when i go back to 'make' it, it tries to recompile Face_stats Feb 02 05:08:11 how can i tell 'make' that i compiled the .o already? Feb 02 05:08:23 i thought it would skip it with the new timestamp Feb 02 05:08:36 or does it detect "ahh i want to build face_stats with different cflags ? Feb 02 05:08:51 no.. depends on how the makefile is written Feb 02 05:09:22 ok Feb 02 05:11:11 you could add the face_stats file to the makefile Feb 02 05:11:20 it will be prefered Feb 02 05:11:53 it's already in the gumps/Makefile as a dep_file Feb 02 05:12:16 is it possible to connect internet to USB, Desktop <-usb--> n800 network? Feb 02 05:12:25 then add a -O0 or whatever behind the $(CFLAGS) ;) Feb 02 05:13:06 i am serious Feb 02 05:13:50 anyone there? Feb 02 05:14:01 yes Feb 02 05:14:03 K-Fox: sure Feb 02 05:14:11 (it's possible) Feb 02 05:14:18 how? Feb 02 05:14:23 link Feb 02 05:14:33 google usb networking maemo 4 Feb 02 05:14:41 ok Feb 02 05:18:41 btw that right mouse button stuff was embarassingly simple Feb 02 05:19:02 pathetic i didn't include it last year Feb 02 05:19:39 jott: i'd like to do a proper xsp scaler-addition if possible Feb 02 05:19:41 you are always wiser afterwards ;) Feb 02 05:19:44 not just a set-res hack Feb 02 05:20:01 libsdl based? Feb 02 05:20:09 so when selecting scalers in menu, you can still choose scale2x, 2xsai and then xsp as a new alternative Feb 02 05:20:12 or without touching the core? Feb 02 05:20:17 it uses the x extensions Feb 02 05:20:45 no this would change the source Feb 02 05:20:54 by adding a user-selectable hardware scaler Feb 02 05:22:01 so before each blit, there's essentially a stub scaler routine, along with a call to Xsp set pixel-doubling Feb 02 05:22:40 yeah Feb 02 05:22:48 also what fps did you select while playing? Feb 02 05:23:05 uhm did not choose any.. Feb 02 05:23:13 i don't understand how it affects gameplay yet Feb 02 05:23:14 it ran farliy well.. Feb 02 05:23:19 ok Feb 02 05:23:36 i haven't been in a fight yet so i can't tell for sure ;) Feb 02 05:23:53 you know there's a walking and running mode? Feb 02 05:24:15 when you move with stylus, does it walk, or run, or choose to walk or run based on distance of stylus click from avatar? Feb 02 05:24:42 based on the distance from the avatar.. Feb 02 05:24:47 ok perfect Feb 02 05:24:47 the arrow gets longer Feb 02 05:25:29 is the threshold for longer-arrow acceptable? or should we shorten/lengthen the minimum distance? Feb 02 05:25:36 (still building....) Feb 02 05:25:49 i think it's actually quite ok.. Feb 02 05:25:56 but ymmv... Feb 02 05:26:27 you make an optimized build? Feb 02 05:26:51 right now the final link fails because i pulled out Face_stats from the gumps/Makefile Feb 02 05:27:00 yieks ;) Feb 02 05:27:07 but i try to manually override the final link Feb 02 05:27:13 later i'll just build with -O2 Feb 02 05:28:12 ok that worked Feb 02 05:28:23 -O3 junkie here Feb 02 05:32:40 Is it possible to test *.vkb in the scratchbox? And if yes what should i google? Feb 02 05:35:02 argh, toggle works but avatar no movee Feb 02 05:36:24 hmm.. Feb 02 05:36:50 gotta check my event.button.buttons Feb 02 05:44:02 found it :) Feb 02 05:44:42 what does it need to install xterm? i cannot install it osso-xterm_0.13.mh24bora1_armel.deb Feb 02 05:44:48 using n800 Feb 02 05:45:06 how are you trying to install it? Feb 02 05:45:38 i did try to copy it to n800 Feb 02 05:45:49 and then? Feb 02 05:46:06 You on OS2008, K-Fox? Feb 02 05:46:10 It's installed by default Feb 02 05:46:21 on 2007 Feb 02 05:47:07 after click double, unable to install some packages required for the installation are missing Feb 02 05:47:16 this message is out Feb 02 05:47:56 ok this is normal when you 'install from file' Feb 02 05:48:03 if you do not have the dependencies in your repository Feb 02 05:48:48 K-Fox, easier if you open this webpage on N800 http://gronmayer.com/it/index.php Feb 02 05:48:59 then select device OS = OS2007 Feb 02 05:49:04 then enter xterm and search Feb 02 05:49:21 i did copy it to default memory card Feb 02 05:49:23 then you can click to install the maemo-hackers repository Feb 02 05:49:43 ok Feb 02 05:49:58 if you install from file, and the package requires dependencies that are not in your repository list, the install will fail Feb 02 05:55:51 inz: you there? Feb 02 05:56:07 K-Fox, just flash OS2008. Feb 02 05:56:35 yeah... Feb 02 05:56:52 the entire maemo community really needs to just be forced to upgrade <_< Feb 02 05:57:06 upgrade? Feb 02 05:57:11 to os2008 Feb 02 05:57:19 ok Feb 02 05:57:57 rm_you: if they had updated 770/HE to use chinook base, including kernel, it would help Feb 02 05:58:10 also, flash support for web browser Feb 02 06:00:11 How to update the N800's firmware Feb 02 06:00:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6zDs9Ht0hw <-- os 2008? Feb 02 06:11:55 jott: well there are some differences in exult.cc i'm not accounting for Feb 02 06:12:03 when was the latest 770HE released? Feb 02 06:13:24 http://www.sand-labs.org/owb/wiki/OwbN800 Feb 02 06:13:54 can you recommend a good music player for linux (ubuntu laptop) ? I currently have rythmbox and I do not like it Feb 02 06:14:04 xmms Feb 02 06:14:10 if you like WinAmp. Feb 02 06:14:21 ok. could try that one. how about amarok? Feb 02 06:14:38 looks quite nice http://amarok.kde.org/features Feb 02 06:14:50 oil: amarok Feb 02 06:15:51 oil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Linux_media_players Feb 02 06:18:03 amarok is nice, but for kde I think. Feb 02 06:18:40 corevette: thanks. I think the problem is that there is way too many players currently. therefore need to ask from real people which is good :) Feb 02 06:20:31 fysa: how does it matter that it's for kde and not for gnome? any functionalities, just don't look so nice? Feb 02 06:20:48 oil: honestly though from personal opinion Feb 02 06:21:08 oil: rhythmbox is too simple for me, amarok is coming out with a new version soon and i don't want to use the old version Feb 02 06:21:24 I'm downloading the amarok now. let's see how it looks like. Feb 02 06:21:25 oil: this is what i use at the moment: http://www.songbirdnest.com/ Feb 02 06:21:40 http://www.listen-project.org/ Feb 02 06:21:42 "Listen" i sanother Feb 02 06:21:51 is another Feb 02 06:22:41 amarok will run in gnome, just uses a different set of libs. Feb 02 06:23:21 http://www.exaile.org/ Feb 02 06:23:29 another amarok-clone for gnome Feb 02 06:23:33 or GTK Feb 02 06:23:42 http://www.exaile.org/screenshots/7/exaile_large.jpg Feb 02 06:34:19 where is os 2008? Feb 02 06:39:55 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N800.php Feb 02 06:42:46 thanks.. Feb 02 06:47:47 * pupnik_ bangs head on desk Feb 02 06:48:34 afk conosolation pizza Feb 02 08:08:13 i did try to install openssh on n800 (os 2008) but cannot , error message is " unable to install openssh some application packages required for the installation "are missing Feb 02 08:08:18 why? Feb 02 08:08:29 Is there a details button? Feb 02 08:08:45 It's either before or after you attempt the install. Feb 02 08:08:45 ok Feb 02 08:08:50 But it'll tell you what packages are missing Feb 02 08:09:08 then go over to gronmayer.com/it and search for the missing packages Feb 02 08:09:13 then add those repositories. Feb 02 08:09:38 A pretty fair number of dependencies can be solved by adding Bora Extras Feb 02 08:11:04 I wish gronmayer weren't so script-driven. <_< Feb 02 08:11:32 gronmayer Feb 02 08:11:33 ? Feb 02 08:11:40 http://www.gronmayer.com/it Feb 02 08:11:47 It's an index of all the repositories. Feb 02 08:11:51 ok Feb 02 08:13:20 GeneralAntilles, bora extras on OS2008? Feb 02 08:13:27 Yeah Feb 02 08:13:33 Solves a lot of dependency issues Feb 02 08:13:35 Well, it did. Feb 02 08:13:43 after adding bora extras , do it install openssh? Feb 02 08:13:45 I'm not sure how much stuff is actually in chinook extras now. Feb 02 08:13:50 It may. Feb 02 08:14:00 Check the details button for information about missing packages, K-Fox. Feb 02 08:14:05 openssh should depend on next to nothing... Feb 02 08:14:45 trying... Feb 02 08:15:28 K-Fox, Did you use a "click to install" link for openssh? Where did you find it? Feb 02 08:15:41 http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/4.0/free/o/openssh/ Feb 02 08:15:51 so you just downloaded a .deb file? Feb 02 08:15:52 here .. Feb 02 08:15:56 ok Feb 02 08:16:13 my n800 dont work network Feb 02 08:16:18 aaaah Feb 02 08:16:21 I see Feb 02 08:16:58 don't get the dependencies from bora extras Feb 02 08:17:00 i am trying to set usb network Feb 02 08:17:08 chinook extras Feb 02 08:17:12 ok Feb 02 08:17:13 chinook = OS2008 Feb 02 08:17:39 bora = OS2007 Feb 02 08:17:46 oh ~~ Feb 02 08:18:03 the depends for openssh-server is: Feb 02 08:18:05 Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libssl0.9.7, zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), openssh-common (= 1:4.6p1-5.maemo1), dpkg (>= 1.9.0) Feb 02 08:18:30 so just grab openssh-common and maybe libssl0.9.7 from chinook extras Feb 02 08:19:36 good morning Feb 02 08:19:52 mornin' Feb 02 08:20:17 K-Fox, next step is to get yourself a wireless router. :P Feb 02 08:22:03 hi johnx , how proceed your work on debian ? Feb 02 08:22:22 well there was the newer release a couple days ago Feb 02 08:22:28 haven't done much since then Feb 02 08:24:17 uhm... newer release... I have not yet tried it... Feb 02 08:24:24 i will try... Feb 02 08:24:25 http://internettablettalk.com/wiki/index.php?title=Debian#Download Feb 02 08:24:55 it has the new debian hildon packages installed Feb 02 08:27:59 johnx: some news about 'powersave' ? Feb 02 08:28:05 morning Feb 02 08:28:33 b0unc3, I'll probably try to look at that next Feb 02 08:29:00 if you turn off watchdog you should be able to suspend-to-ram no problem Feb 02 08:29:39 johnx can we get Debian to the point where we can just install ITOS packages? Feb 02 08:30:15 johnx: yeah... I tried hibernate... but with watchdog on ... :( Feb 02 08:30:40 b0unc3, the first time I tried it I resumed in <10 seconds so I thought it worked fine Feb 02 08:31:11 GeneralAntilles, probably not Feb 02 08:31:58 many of them can just be repacked in an automated way, some of them might need to be recompiled, and some might need to be modified to not depend on Nokia closed-source stuff Feb 02 08:32:35 also, it should be possible to make packages that work on both Feb 02 08:33:06 for simple apps it's just a matter of saying "Depends: libhildon1 | libhildon-1-0, ..." Feb 02 08:34:54 johnx: hibernate works great... but when I tried it for the first time when the tablet wakeup it reboot itself and the hibernate files result to be broken... Feb 02 08:35:19 hibernate as in "suspend to disk"? Feb 02 08:35:57 johnx: to ram :P Feb 02 08:36:51 hmm Feb 02 08:37:23 hi all Feb 02 08:37:26 hi Feb 02 08:38:40 have anyone some experience on setting up scratchbox + maemo on a x86_64 machine? Feb 02 08:38:48 tried it with chroot Feb 02 08:39:26 and with howto from http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/?p=453 Feb 02 08:41:00 but when i start af-sb-init.sh i get 1) dbus error (missing /var/lib/dbus/machine-id, 2) "can't get address for localhost:6002" -error Feb 02 08:44:53 i'll try 64 in 5 years Feb 02 08:45:17 ^^ Feb 02 08:46:29 actually...does anyone know how much powersaving stuff is actually outside the kernel? Feb 02 08:46:46 some funny commentars on errors? :) Feb 02 08:46:54 I want to say "a lot"? Feb 02 08:47:04 GeneralAntilles, that's what I thought too Feb 02 08:47:20 I'm just thinking about the overclocking haxing that was going on. Feb 02 08:47:38 GeneralAntilles, all the clock stuff is in the kernel... Feb 02 08:48:31 I'm really not so sure though...dsme does basically not that much Feb 02 08:48:43 if we ignore it we can just forget it exists it seems Feb 02 08:48:46 ok, dbus error is no more - copied machine-id from chroot Feb 02 08:57:11 madness madness Feb 02 08:57:52 you called? Feb 02 08:59:03 the exult.cc event loop is driving me mad. i removed all references to right mouse button, but it still works Feb 02 08:59:24 there's a whining sound in my brain Feb 02 08:59:33 the walls are bending Feb 02 09:00:52 yeah, I'm looking at power management so I'll probably join you shortly... Feb 02 09:01:38 <_collin_> he Feb 02 09:04:58 f$#!, just a /etc/hosts problem -.- Feb 02 09:05:08 in default installation localhost wasn't bound to 127.0.0.1 Feb 02 09:05:27 it works now Feb 02 09:07:38 <_collin_> can any one test something for me? Feb 02 09:07:49 sure Feb 02 09:07:52 what is it? Feb 02 09:08:32 <_collin_> install of an app Feb 02 09:08:40 <_collin_> people report it says incompatible Feb 02 09:08:49 link? Feb 02 09:09:03 <_collin_> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/raw/OS2008/iphome/?get_installfile Feb 02 09:11:18 "Unable to install iphone" "Incompatible application package" Feb 02 09:11:20 _collin_: did you make sure sectionL was user/??? Feb 02 09:11:24 section: Feb 02 09:12:04 <_collin_> user/tools Feb 02 09:12:13 <_collin_> works on my n800 Feb 02 09:13:01 pupnik_: can you help me out? do you have ruby-packages in your n810? Feb 02 09:13:35 i have ruby installed Feb 02 09:14:03 ah, hang on there were two search results for iphome Feb 02 09:14:13 <_collin_> yes I know Feb 02 09:15:10 both give the same result though Feb 02 09:15:28 jkkkkkkkkkkkkk Feb 02 09:16:56 _collin_, uhm...this might be me being dumb but is the install file supposed to say repo_deb_3 or repo_deb_4 for chinook? Feb 02 09:28:40 <_collin_> uhh Feb 02 09:28:44 <_collin_> deb_4 right Feb 02 09:30:41 pupnik_: sry, power failure. you don't have the debs in /var/cache/apt/archives? Feb 02 09:31:17 ruby-maemo site is always down and i my n800 went into a reboot loop so i had to reflash it Feb 02 09:32:23 no sorry Feb 02 09:32:43 why do we even have /var/cache/apt/archives on tablets Feb 02 09:32:58 <_collin_> johnx: can you try again Feb 02 09:33:15 sure Feb 02 09:33:43 pupnik_: k, thanks Feb 02 09:33:45 <_collin_> I never use maemo.org/downloads just way to slow Feb 02 09:34:22 sometimes it actually times out on me... Feb 02 09:34:35 <_collin_> yes I have this quite often Feb 02 09:35:10 when I search for it I still get two results. Does each one have the updated .install file? Feb 02 09:35:37 <_collin_> no I guess only the first one with 10 downloads Feb 02 09:36:15 <_collin_> I'm trying to remove the second one Feb 02 09:36:40 it still shows up as repo_deb_3 here Feb 02 09:36:57 <_collin_> mmh Feb 02 09:37:43 <_collin_> page still looooooooooooooding Feb 02 09:37:50 <_collin_> so I guess Im fixing it later Feb 02 09:37:54 <_collin_> need to go AFK Feb 02 09:37:58 <_collin_> thanks johnx Feb 02 09:38:29 <_collin_> cya Feb 02 09:41:26 Morning, all Feb 02 09:44:29 mornings Feb 02 09:46:41 mornigs Feb 02 10:06:30 BOB SAGET Feb 02 10:34:51 does scratchbox vim support parenthesis matching hilighting Feb 02 10:34:55 my eyes are starting to blur Feb 02 10:38:27 pupnik_: it depends on the .vimrc... though.. Feb 02 10:38:35 i don't think it does Feb 02 10:38:44 i may be adding the wrong options to .vimrc Feb 02 10:41:15 uhmm... maybe you are right... it seems not to support parenthesis matching... Feb 02 10:44:02 ok found it by commenting-out chunks Feb 02 10:46:22 has anyone rebuilt a kernel with CONFIG_TIMER_STATS Feb 02 10:46:25 ? Feb 02 10:46:39 seems to fail badly for me... Feb 02 11:09:49 anyone use arch linux for building n800 apps? Feb 02 11:10:02 i'm trying to find xephyr for it Feb 02 11:11:27 morning all Feb 02 11:11:36 mornin' Feb 02 12:10:12 hmmmm, my battery is at near top (after leaving for a night without charging) for only the second time since i bought it Feb 02 12:10:49 "by jove, i think i've got it!" Feb 02 12:16:09 in vmware maemo box - am i supposed to still be able to run the zephyr emulated maemo thingy when i switch the target to chinook-armel. it runs if i switch target to x86 (which is to be expected) but should it actually fail on armel? Feb 02 12:34:51 afaiui that's expected Feb 02 12:40:33 hi @ all Feb 02 12:54:47 hi Feb 02 12:55:34 has anybody installed the canola2 update? Feb 02 13:00:27 i'm looking for gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad package.. Feb 02 13:01:09 i added maemo-extra repository but doesn't seem to be there Feb 02 13:08:05 I've got a question ... is the main Nokia repo really down?? there is a message about an MD5-Sum which fail... any solution(s)?? Feb 02 13:08:56 thopiekar, it seems to be a problem with the akemia cache in different countries (from what i read) Feb 02 13:09:28 aha Feb 02 13:09:38 so.. can i fix that problem?? Feb 02 13:09:58 im not sure... Feb 02 13:12:31 i will try i with: |sudo gainroot|apt-get clean|apt-get update|... Feb 02 13:12:41 *it Feb 02 13:20:29 http://us.tabletrepo.com chinook Release.gpg > Connection time out.. Feb 02 13:24:28 cu Feb 02 13:25:16 hey all Feb 02 13:31:01 how can i find some of the basic debs for my n810? like metalayer-crawler0? Feb 02 13:36:20 djtansey: should be in the main repo Feb 02 13:37:07 does this bootmenu decrease battery life? Feb 02 13:37:12 lardman: it isn't. apt-cache search metalayer just gives libmetalayer0 (when run after removing metalayer-crawler0) Feb 02 13:37:41 hmm, fair enough, I don't know then Feb 02 13:37:57 hahlo: I can't see why it would Feb 02 13:37:57 lardman: thanks anyways. Feb 02 13:38:01 np Feb 02 13:38:45 lardman: just full battery drained fast afterwards when tried to boot from card Feb 02 13:39:01 it didn't boot from card Feb 02 13:39:21 just tried and went back to flash Feb 02 13:39:53 Well I'd expect running from the card to certainly drain the battery, not sure about your case though Feb 02 13:51:01 There's no way the initfs would decrease battery life unless you let it sit at the boot menu forever. Feb 02 13:51:18 timeout is 30 seconds by default, so that's not really possible. Feb 02 13:51:49 ok and after boot mmc fails it drop in normal boot? Feb 02 13:52:00 Right Feb 02 13:56:45 Out of interest, has anybody tried booting from an external hard drive? Feb 02 13:57:12 i got two sd cards mmc1 split in two partitions for some reason only first partition mounts automatically Feb 02 13:59:22 i even did mount point for it /media/mmc3 didn't help Feb 02 14:35:53 Hello... Has anyone written a facebook notifier for the system tray? I'd like for my led to blink when I get a new message. Feb 02 15:04:26 I wonder if Nokia moving to Qt for Series 40/60 is to bring more open source developers to Symbian, there really isn't much free open software out there for that platform yet. Feb 02 15:04:49 alterego: true... true... Feb 02 15:05:02 and also Qtopia could bring some resh air... Feb 02 15:05:28 Yeah, Feb 02 15:05:32 I would be really curious about a QT based Nokia phone Feb 02 15:05:56 Though, my personal preference toward Gtk+ aside. Having an open source OS on my phone would be awesome. Feb 02 15:06:01 that could also bring easier sync with Linux PCs Feb 02 15:06:04 Shame I'm stuck with S60 3rd really :D Feb 02 15:06:16 alterego: yeah... Feb 02 15:06:40 Oh, and my distaste for C++ .. Feb 02 15:06:42 I mean... I'm happy with my n95-2... but... having QT apps on it... could make it even better! Feb 02 15:07:04 I somehow doubt that our generation of phones will be able to run this new platform they're devising. Feb 02 15:07:12 And we probably wont see it for a year or two. Feb 02 15:07:46 I think half of the Symbian problem is the lack of a native Linux SDK, from what I remember setting up the SDK under Linux was a pain in the ass. Feb 02 15:08:15 I am however tempted to get back into development with Series 60, now I can use a paravirtualized windows guest on my machine to do the development in. Feb 02 15:08:29 Well, to do the testing in :) Feb 02 15:10:36 alterego: true... true... Feb 02 15:11:11 I think first QT based phones won't be released before 2010 Feb 02 15:11:16 I'm gonna have a play with Python S60 for a few minutes :) Feb 02 15:12:25 hehehe... downloaded it... but never played :) Feb 02 15:12:47 Hmm, actually I'll see how the Ruby port is going ;) Feb 02 15:13:03 Wow, it's actually endorsed by Symbian now .. Feb 02 15:13:59 Oh, this is going to be fun. Feb 02 15:14:05 indeed... Feb 02 15:14:48 * alterego gets wicked plans of Ruby on his phone talking to Ruby on his tablet. Feb 02 15:15:13 * maddler 's watching ITA-IRE rugby match :) Feb 02 15:15:14 I can effectively export the entire API from the phone to the tablet. So it can use the services the phone offers more effectively. Feb 02 15:15:26 What channel? Feb 02 15:15:36 I'm in ITA :) Feb 02 15:15:44 Ah, okay ;) Feb 02 15:15:47 hehehe Feb 02 15:16:01 great match btw Feb 02 15:16:06 Awesome. Feb 02 15:16:16 at least we only are -7 :) Feb 02 15:16:25 could be WORSE playing against Ireland :) Feb 02 15:16:33 Heh Feb 02 15:16:39 is there a way to format an mmc card inside the 770 from teh CLI? Feb 02 15:16:47 mkfs a-l-p-h-a Feb 02 15:17:02 or mkfs.vfat iirc Feb 02 15:17:10 hmm, the comments in mce.ini seem off Feb 02 15:17:22 00 seems to be 1 step, not 0 steps Feb 02 15:17:50 trying to test this rs-mmc card I bought off ebay. Feb 02 15:18:07 for one, otherwise it would be weitd to pad patterns with a bunch of 00s Feb 02 15:18:30 also, 105f and 202f last the same time, whereas 1060 and 2030 don't Feb 02 15:20:22 or, perhaps one of the steps just always is a nop (non-inc/decrementing) step Feb 02 15:20:30 that sounds most plausible I suppose Feb 02 15:20:41 Your email has address has been rejected as we do not accept registrations from publicly available email domains (e.g. gmail, yahoo, hotmail etc). Feb 02 15:20:45 Those bastards. Feb 02 15:21:47 * sp3000 just finds it annoying to try to keep led colors with different values in sync when 40/2 != 20 etc Feb 02 15:32:12 Jeez, you still have to use MSVC for symbian dev? Horrible .. Feb 02 15:34:35 Okay .. Maybe not. Feb 02 15:48:00 Finally got my N810... delivered to me (by a friend) in Japan. Feb 02 15:48:13 Can't seem to get it to work with my external BT GPS. Feb 02 15:48:31 Just repeats "Searching for GPS receiver" forever. Feb 02 15:49:33 take it to a southward facing window and give it a *long* time Feb 02 15:49:40 hi Feb 02 15:49:46 hi Feb 02 15:49:49 johnx: Huh? Feb 02 15:49:53 derf, the first fix apparently takes forever Feb 02 15:49:58 ah Feb 02 15:49:59 never mind Feb 02 15:50:07 johnx: are you robot? Feb 02 15:50:08 didn't read what you wrote properly Feb 02 15:50:13 K-Fox, yes Feb 02 15:50:18 ha Feb 02 15:50:21 I am the channel's factoid bot Feb 02 15:50:25 derf: in the GPS control panel ? Feb 02 15:50:36 In maemo mapper. Feb 02 15:50:44 wow Feb 02 15:50:45 derf: you must have bluetooth enabled Feb 02 15:51:04 I do. Feb 02 15:51:06 derf: from the control panel as Feb 02 15:51:22 I've got a bluetooth icon that is now bright blue. Feb 02 15:51:29 derf: then it should work Feb 02 15:51:33 And a satellite icon. Feb 02 15:52:05 derf, have you tried it with the built-in maps application? Feb 02 15:52:12 johnx: No. Feb 02 15:53:08 derf: have you selected to use external gps from the gps control panel? Feb 02 15:53:20 onion: Yes. Feb 02 15:53:33 And from within maemo mapper... which is relatively confusing. Feb 02 15:53:48 If mm is accessing it directly via BT, what does it need the GPS control panel for? Feb 02 15:54:22 Okay, I got it to work. Feb 02 15:54:23 derf: maemo mapper uses the gps framework now only afaik Feb 02 15:54:40 has anybody else seen the same behaviour: the battery on n810 dies in less than 24 hours Feb 02 15:54:42 onion: It should probably not have settings for the other things, then. Feb 02 15:54:58 I just keep wondering does the gps stay up and running even it's claimed to be dead Feb 02 15:54:59 I'll have to bug John about it when I get back to the states. Feb 02 15:55:12 (he applied my caching patch, apparently, which was nice, though) Feb 02 15:55:22 Fatal- yes Feb 02 15:55:34 Anyway... I had to disable GPS in the control panel, and then re-enable it, before it would work. Feb 02 15:55:37 ahhh dont know to second question Feb 02 15:55:43 I have no idea why. Feb 02 15:55:56 lcuk_2: do you have any explanation why this happens? Feb 02 15:55:59 battery on my 810 would normally be flat if i left it overnight Feb 02 15:56:11 i seem to have abated it by changing the display settings Feb 02 15:56:24 background process? Feb 02 15:57:06 I should make my incremental top script suck less Feb 02 15:57:31 i had it set as such: brightness period: 2 minutes, swithc off display: 5 minutes. i noticed it stayed illuminated when locked with the slider on top. i have set both to 2 minutes and it now goes fully off when i lock it. the last 2 days i have done this the battery has been in same place as it was left Feb 02 15:57:39 before the battery would have been flat Feb 02 15:58:34 so you think the screen was staying lit for hours off of power? Feb 02 15:58:59 dont think so, it did appear to disable itself after 5 minutes Feb 02 15:59:55 what if you sift through ps? Feb 02 16:00:31 ive tried that but its not easy, i want to get some stats built up about whats happening when screen is off Feb 02 16:00:40 i need a good chart history Feb 02 16:01:12 bigger number, newer process Feb 02 16:01:17 i have been pondering if the screen refresh for the load-applet itself might be doing it Feb 02 16:01:47 and shutdown -r now could help, if you have hidden processes Feb 02 16:02:35 there is no real perfmon/regmon/filemon for maemo is there Feb 02 16:02:58 on a related note, I tried to get powertop working earlier but it needed a kernel with CONFIG_TIMER_STATS and when I built the kernel with that option wireless didn't work in OS2008 and also I couldn't boot from SD... Feb 02 16:03:27 wireless involves you copying over the custom nokia .ko doesnt it? Feb 02 16:03:45 as in build kernel, replace stock wirelessdriver with the one from your device Feb 02 16:03:54 wireless driver is module Feb 02 16:04:05 I built a kernel of the same version and dropped just the kernel image in place Feb 02 16:04:29 not sure then, i just spotted something talking about it Feb 02 16:04:47 I think it was something more though Feb 02 16:04:55 it kernel panic'ed booting from SD... Feb 02 16:05:22 hmm...I might actually need to rebuild the other modules to match that kernel...maybe? Feb 02 16:05:56 ah well, another time Feb 02 16:09:19 Something I have installed few weeks ago really eats battery.. now standby lasts only day.. other symptom is that when no near wlan the wireless search box pops up. Anybody had similar problem? Feb 02 16:10:30 maybe cpu-time will expose that bastard.. Feb 02 16:10:35 no, but it must be an app that wants access to the network Feb 02 16:10:55 Yeah, that I figured too :) Feb 02 16:12:01 johnx: hows your debian port advancing? Feb 02 16:12:14 VRe, a bit at a time Feb 02 16:12:59 I'm trying to investigate exactly what's going on with power management, how much if it is in the kernel and how much we need to rely on dsme/bme Feb 02 16:13:29 also the pkg-maemo guys finally got the basic hildon stuff into debian proper, which makes things very interesting Feb 02 16:14:05 nice Feb 02 16:15:37 hi all Feb 02 16:15:38 VRe, you could disconnect your tablet from wireless at home and then wait for this mystery app to connect it and run netstat Feb 02 16:15:55 you could probably automate the check with dbus even :) Feb 02 16:15:58 with the binary wrapper around the wlan driver the power management might be the biggest obstacle now Feb 02 16:16:03 where is libc6.dev? Feb 02 16:16:17 johnx: I was thinking of listening on dbus Feb 02 16:16:29 i am trying to install the openssh Feb 02 16:16:51 K-Fox, openssh client or server or both? Feb 02 16:17:02 yea~~ Feb 02 16:17:27 VRe, does wlancond handle all of the power saving? Feb 02 16:17:30 ick :( Feb 02 16:17:41 i did fail to install client or server by double click Feb 02 16:18:05 on n800 ( os 2008) Feb 02 16:18:07 right, which one are you trying to install right now? Feb 02 16:19:03 openssh-client_4.6p1-5.maemo1_armel.deb Feb 02 16:19:12 openssh-server_4.6p1-5.maemo1_armel.deb Feb 02 16:20:51 i dont know some application packages required for openssh Feb 02 16:24:09 K-Fox, what is an error message? Feb 02 16:25:28 message is " unable to install openssh-server. some application packages reuired for the installation are missing " Feb 02 16:25:46 openssl? Feb 02 16:25:56 openssh Feb 02 16:26:03 no, ssl missing? Feb 02 16:27:41 googling a little found libpam as culprit on one debian list Feb 02 16:27:57 maybe Feb 02 16:28:06 unable to install openssh-server. application packages missing: openssh-common(=1:4.6p1-5.maemo1) Feb 02 16:28:52 :) Feb 02 16:28:57 install it Feb 02 16:29:36 if compiled with WITH_OPENSSL_BASE ... Feb 02 16:33:36 hi Feb 02 16:33:38 right now, i did try to install(openssh-common(=1:4.6p1-5.maemo1), an error message is " unable to install openssh-common. Incompatible application package Feb 02 16:34:01 on my N810 there's a process that is takin up 98% of cpu: telepaty-gabbl :( Feb 02 16:34:07 i dont know how to xx. at all Feb 02 16:34:30 I can kill it... but this should not happen! I imagine the average user trying to understand with all is so slow... Feb 02 16:34:41 K-Fox, maybe the wrong repo Feb 02 16:34:59 update it Feb 02 16:35:04 repo? Feb 02 16:35:23 apt-get update Feb 02 16:35:30 ok Feb 02 16:35:36 gogo Feb 02 16:36:19 it is so easy to get stranded in dependencies mud... Feb 02 17:01:13 in exult Feb 02 17:01:15 i have to increase the radius for click on character conversations Feb 02 17:01:18 at 200 dpi it's too hard to target them Feb 02 17:28:55 <_collin_> who to contact for problems regarding maemo.org/downloads ??? Feb 02 17:29:02 <_collin_> does anyone know Feb 02 17:29:38 what sort of problems? Feb 02 17:30:10 if it's a problem with the service, find/file a bug, bugs.maemo.org, website::repositories Feb 02 17:30:14 er, not repositories Feb 02 17:30:42 website::downloads rather Feb 02 17:30:53 <_collin_> I need to delete one of my apps. Feb 02 17:31:11 <_collin_> there are two versions in their databbase Feb 02 17:31:22 <_collin_> and it somehow fucksup the install file Feb 02 17:32:01 <_collin_> actually the app exists 3 times because there is still the old version in OS2007 ... such a mess Feb 02 17:35:01 dunno, I don't see other contact details, so I guess bugzilla applies Feb 02 17:35:16 * sp3000 doesn't do downloads from the provider side Feb 02 17:35:27 so there's probably docs I haven't seen or something Feb 02 17:36:24 <_collin_> ok Feb 02 17:43:43 hey.. Feb 02 17:43:50 cannot find a vnc server to install Feb 02 17:43:53 is there one? Feb 02 17:44:26 yes there is, but i havent found it since i reflashed - it was available right at the start Feb 02 17:45:18 me neither.. Feb 02 17:46:30 http://mike.saunby.googlepages.com/x11vncfornokia7702 Feb 02 17:48:05 hmm Feb 02 17:48:09 PatternBatteryLow used to do stuff Feb 02 17:48:30 * sp3000 would like a PatternWtfWokeMeUp Feb 02 17:49:06 I even made 10;1;30;105f105f41df41df7f830000;301f301f439f439f7f830000;0000, it looks pretty Feb 02 17:49:56 (and added in LEDPatterns, and set enabled in /system/osso/dsm/leds) Feb 02 17:50:13 (neither of which helps if nothing wants to use it these days of course) Feb 02 17:53:24 evening all Feb 02 17:53:33 any subversion gurus about? Feb 02 17:54:27 not me Feb 02 17:54:38 lardman: is there a gcc 4.x for chinook? Feb 02 17:54:49 the benchmarks seem to indicate it is better than 3.4.x Feb 02 17:55:36 You could use one built using OE Feb 02 17:55:51 not sure how well things would like running with it though Feb 02 17:56:00 oki Feb 02 17:56:26 pupnik: there is also a codesourcery gcc 4.2.1 toolchain Feb 02 17:56:39 but OE should be better ;) Feb 02 17:57:06 http://scratchbox.org/~jhakala/unofficial/ Feb 02 17:57:11 Hmm, I've done a checkout of my empty repo, now I want to add some files Feb 02 17:57:12 ok ty Feb 02 17:57:27 jott i found the error today - playtested the exult patch Feb 02 17:57:37 svn add /some/path/here results in "svn: '../..' is not a working copy" Feb 02 17:57:48 targeting people for conversation was too difficult - needs a larger radius Feb 02 17:57:53 otherwise very nice Feb 02 17:58:00 where'd you get ../.. ? Feb 02 17:58:12 yeah, slightly different path Feb 02 17:58:22 ah, files you add maust be in the working copy Feb 02 17:58:27 must even Feb 02 17:58:34 it would say /some/path is not a working copy Feb 02 17:58:47 how do I add them to the working copy? Feb 02 17:58:49 so you'd copy them into the wc and then add Feb 02 17:59:30 is this howto still up2date http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HowTo_EASILY_Boot_From_MMC_card Feb 02 18:00:09 (where working copy is ~where you did the checkout) Feb 02 18:00:30 ah, so just a normal copy operation Feb 02 18:00:32 I see Feb 02 18:01:19 at least this didn't work mkdir /opt/ Feb 02 18:01:32 sp3000: Thanks :) Feb 02 18:01:45 lardman: is there any example code using the SIO_create call somewhere? Feb 02 18:02:04 I have implemented the DSP_CMD_INIT_STATE/DSP_CMD_INIT/DSP_INIT_CLOSE socket commands, and the EAP_RequestStream works. But SIO_create always returns NULL. Feb 02 18:02:06 pH5: In the Ti device driver writing documentation Feb 02 18:02:40 ah, thanks. Feb 02 18:02:40 pH5: search for "55" on this page for the right section, then scroll down: http://www.ti.com/sc/docs/psheets/man_dsp.htm Feb 02 18:02:42 that reminds me, one day I need to figure out branches in git Feb 02 18:02:51 I just make more clones now :) Feb 02 18:03:00 there was some DSP/BIOS driver developer's manual Feb 02 18:03:11 * sp3000 doesn't trust himself+git with branching otherwise :) Feb 02 18:03:18 yes, that may be the one, I can't remember, lots of docs there Feb 02 18:04:29 * pH5 loves branching in git Feb 02 18:08:45 * lardman avoids using any sort of repo, though they are useful Feb 02 18:09:05 * lardman wishes he'd used one for his code during PhD, would have made life soooo much easier Feb 02 18:09:43 I didn't use one during mine... never missed it. Feb 02 18:09:58 well i made a tiny little fix to one package today Feb 02 18:10:14 derf: I think it would have been good to keep track of code versions and why I made certain changes Feb 02 18:10:20 guys there is any way to set the pkg dependencies (on the control file) depending on the os-version ? Feb 02 18:10:22 jott, so should i make an installer that overrides default libsdl with yours and runs ldconfig? Feb 02 18:10:51 i mean, seriously nokia has broken libsdl and you FIXED IT Feb 02 18:10:57 YOU Feb 02 18:16:36 b0unc3, you can use a '|' to mean 'or' Feb 02 18:19:09 What is the name of the alternate browser? Feb 02 18:20:12 Deformative, there were a couple: owb, minimo and ... something else I don't remember Feb 02 18:20:57 hmm, I just commited my files, but I can't see them in the SVN web browsing tool Feb 02 18:21:16 johnx: ok, thank you Feb 02 18:23:45 hmm, if svn couldn't find a file which I'd added when I tried to do the commit, would it stop the commit? Feb 02 18:24:07 which I'd added then deleted (without doing svn rm) before the commit Feb 02 18:26:29 yay! code in the repo Feb 02 18:30:56 lardman: yay :) Feb 02 18:33:39 hey guys.. i still cannot hear ogg streams with canola (beta2) Feb 02 18:33:45 anyone can?.. Feb 02 18:35:26 killfill: just hear (play) or they're not recognized? Feb 02 18:42:10 haha Feb 02 18:42:18 * sp3000 ports inctop from perl to sh Feb 02 18:42:35 it's only 200x slower Feb 02 18:43:30 ...what you get for having to invoke 10*n processes ;) Feb 02 18:47:12 <|tbb|> whats better of beta2 instead of beta version of canola? Feb 02 18:48:04 |tbb|: 770, bug fixes, optimizations, .rm, .wma, .wmv Feb 02 18:51:14 k-s[AWAY]: it says its not a valid stream Feb 02 18:51:22 if i open then same with mplayer it works fine... Feb 02 18:52:07 pH5: I'll email the list with the current status Feb 02 18:52:20 the garage one that it Feb 02 18:52:22 is Feb 02 18:53:15 "no feed avaible for this URL" Feb 02 18:53:48 pH5: let me know if you can't find the SIO stuff and I'll check the docs I've got here Feb 02 18:53:54 http://www.sofsis.cl:8000/music.ogg Feb 02 18:53:57 killfill: how about mamemo media player? Feb 02 18:54:54 k-s[AWAY]: it works. very slow. and take some minutes to start playing but it does.. Feb 02 18:55:11 (thats why i dont want to use it... :) Feb 02 18:55:17 johnx: uhmm... the | seems not to do what I want... Feb 02 18:56:09 God damn the N80 takes a long time to start up .. Feb 02 18:56:42 oh, it's only 70x slower than the perl on the device Feb 02 18:56:53 * sp3000 giggles Feb 02 18:59:15 <|tbb|> if i run a program from xterm and hit ctrl + c it says Quitting and the programm is closed then, but if i run the program from xterm using myprog & how can i stop the program like ctrl+c do it? is there then the only way to close it with kill pid? Feb 02 18:59:43 Ctrl+C sends a signal to the program when its in foreground Feb 02 18:59:49 kill send signals too... Feb 02 19:00:02 |tbb|: jobs, fg Feb 02 19:01:35 killfill: it's weird media player works and canola don't Feb 02 19:01:51 killfill: do you have any special settings in ~/.atabake? Feb 02 19:01:53 ... it's really annoying to do two deb for the same pkg because the dependencies depend on the ITOS version... :( Feb 02 19:02:24 b0unc3, what are the differences? Feb 02 19:03:14 johnx: the nfs module Feb 02 19:05:08 http://pupnik.de/NewYear2008sm.jpg i'm an artist Feb 02 19:05:45 <|tbb|> killfill, ctrl c is not a proper way then Feb 02 19:09:10 <|tbb|> okay i think i will kill it by kill pid Feb 02 19:10:51 |tbb|: have you tried killall myprog Feb 02 19:11:22 <|tbb|> works also but i was thinking this is not a good thing to do, dunno why ;) Feb 02 19:12:00 <|tbb|> is it possible to run a console app so that i cant start it twice, so always one instance is running? Feb 02 19:12:08 lardman|tv: ok, found it. it's in the TMS320 DSP/BIOS User's Guide (SPRU423F). Feb 02 19:12:14 Cord, tableteer: One of you around? Feb 02 19:15:14 Sho_? Feb 02 19:15:40 Cord: Say, you were one of the guys who got the N810 for 0€ in the discount program, right? Did Nokia charge your CC yet? Feb 02 19:16:01 Sho_: not afaik. Feb 02 19:16:36 Cord: Mine neither, although there would theoretically be 5€ shipping costs left ... guess their shop software dropped it somewhere at 0€ order price Feb 02 19:17:23 ack. Feb 02 19:18:45 you know at standard rates in germany, a n810 is worth about 5 hours of developer time Feb 02 19:19:05 my printout from the shop shows 5EUR shipping, the sheet in the delivery 459EUR, Discout 459EUR, Sum 464EUR Feb 02 19:19:12 hah like i work for that Feb 02 19:19:53 pupnik: if my employee lends me to an external party? 2.5h afaik. Feb 02 19:20:19 s/employee/employer/ Feb 02 19:20:19 Cord meant: pupnik: if my employer lends me to an external party? 2.5h afaik. Feb 02 19:20:32 yeah Feb 02 19:20:39 i remember those rates Feb 02 19:21:03 we normally don't do that. Feb 02 19:21:37 k-s[AWAY]: is this special? http://pastebin.ca/889207 Feb 02 19:22:45 whatever. Feb 02 19:23:07 killfill: I'm not that familiar with it, MoRpHeUz is, need to ask him later when he's online Feb 02 19:23:22 killfill: but maybe you can change audio to mplayer Feb 02 19:23:28 the deal was 100EUR+p&p. if Nokia comes back to that, no problem. If they don't ... other peoples problem. Feb 02 19:25:09 ok Feb 02 19:25:19 (nope. still same message with that change) Feb 02 19:26:44 damn Feb 02 19:27:00 killfill: talk to morpheuz when he's online Feb 02 19:27:52 ok Feb 02 19:28:40 please nokia please make a better dpad for the n9x0 Feb 02 19:29:48 but we must sing and dance for the tablets as they are Feb 02 19:29:56 they are glorious and shiny Feb 02 19:30:16 they help the planet Feb 02 19:42:09 <|tbb|> whats the easiest way to get the current time in osso-xterm Feb 02 19:43:00 |tbb|: date ? Feb 02 19:45:38 * sp3000 reformulates: what's the easiest way to get a date in osso-xterm :P Feb 02 19:45:57 irssi? Feb 02 19:45:59 * sp3000 sobs Feb 02 19:46:32 its always creepy seeing someone else use one of your old nicks Feb 02 19:46:39 mine was sq000s a long time ago Feb 02 19:46:58 or not use one, but someting similar Feb 02 19:47:07 <|tbb|> b0unc3: thx Feb 02 19:47:09 causes a double take Feb 02 19:47:37 * sp3000 is reminded of the "how did you make that reverse d?" quote Feb 02 19:47:52 hah Feb 02 19:48:02 (or b, whichever it was) Feb 02 19:48:24 d-_-b Feb 02 19:48:31 that one, iirc Feb 02 19:48:52 also, I keep sucking at perl Feb 02 20:09:10 does the tablet support mp4? Feb 02 20:14:08 should do, depends on the extension though I imagine Feb 02 20:14:15 pH5: Glad to hear it Feb 02 20:15:03 lardman|tv: and I've even recognized why the SIO_create doesn't work. I got the name parameter wrong because I misinterpreted the disassembly. Feb 02 20:15:38 sounds like you're making good progress :) Feb 02 20:16:07 s/good/slow/, but what can we do :) Feb 02 20:17:08 pH5: it's all relative :) Feb 02 20:17:20 muahahah, buy combining too many beans with too little water I have created the strongest coffee ever! Feb 02 20:17:57 buy huh Feb 02 20:18:00 by Feb 02 20:18:07 tv :/ Feb 02 20:18:16 me? Feb 02 20:18:30 well i hope you're watching something decent Feb 02 20:18:45 not really, I was watching Primeval Feb 02 20:19:32 better? Feb 02 20:19:35 :/ i've been enjoying M*A*S*H, Poirot, Cowboy Bebop and WKRP in Cincinnati Feb 02 20:19:35 :) Feb 02 20:20:21 Got to buy the old 'Taxi' episodes someday when they're cheaper Feb 02 20:20:47 theme song by Bob James Feb 02 20:20:58 * lardman has no clue Feb 02 20:30:37 I just sent an update for the vorbis dsp plugin debugging progress to the dsp-tremor list for anyone who might be interested Feb 02 20:30:50 looks like it might take a little while to turn up in the archives Feb 02 20:31:28 ah good, there now: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/dsp-tremor-devel/2008-February/000001.html Feb 02 20:31:39 (just on the off chance anyone is interested) Feb 02 20:37:35 * sp3000 slaps notes with a dead chicken for not zooming plaintext Feb 02 20:41:12 anyone here with an n800? Feb 02 21:06:32 girls love my tablets Feb 02 21:07:16 just don't let them see the xterm Feb 02 21:07:29 newb question: How can I change the icons on the top left ? Panels>Task navigator. lets me move them, I want to change them. Feb 02 21:07:49 <|tbb|> would it not better girls love you instead of tablet? ;) Feb 02 21:08:57 that is not possible Feb 02 21:09:11 no? so I am stuck with just those three? Feb 02 21:10:09 David__: do you want a different theme? Feb 02 21:10:56 no, essentailly I dont like the contacts icon there. I am using a differnt email client than the resident one and I'd like to delete that icon from the left menu Feb 02 21:11:06 whats with the endless redirection message in the browser Feb 02 21:11:22 ok i don't know how to change it. it is all changeable of course Feb 02 21:11:52 do i have to reflash Feb 02 21:11:58 of course. just how much learning! Feb 02 21:12:29 i feel bad when people ask questions i can't answer Feb 02 21:12:56 ok, how would i get that contacts icon to refence the email client i am using. 'modest'. Feb 02 21:13:04 check internettablettalk.com forums - much user info and searchable forums Feb 02 21:13:12 lardman|scrabble: does "MOV AR1,*+AR3(#0001h)" do the same as "MOV AR1,*+AR3" ? Feb 02 21:13:14 (and if yes, why does the compiler encode *(++my_string) = my_char; as the first instead of the second, which is two bytes shorter?) Feb 02 21:13:59 I'm trying to understand this snippet of code from pcm2.o: http://rafb.net/p/pHFSgx35.html Feb 02 21:14:24 pH5: you learning DSP?!?!! Feb 02 21:14:52 pupnik: now that I've got one, I just have to, right? :) Feb 02 21:15:02 can I send you beer or do you need any computer parts? Feb 02 21:15:59 hehe Feb 02 21:16:07 hmm clicked the wrong box when i changed home page Feb 02 21:16:57 dosbox is very close to usable speed for 385 based programs. just needs sound blaster /adlib FMOPL on DSP, and a dynamic recompiler Feb 02 21:17:40 i got doubled speed in DOOM with some wack-ass cflags yesterday Feb 02 21:18:20 caused some graphics errors, but fsck that Feb 02 21:20:24 is there a theme repositry somewhere? Feb 02 21:21:04 pupnik: could the sound blaster emulation just interface with the existing pcm gstreamer modules? Feb 02 21:22:52 pH5: no idea, I've not done any DSP assembler yet Feb 02 21:23:06 pH5: the cpu intensive part is the fm synthesis module Feb 02 21:23:30 the dsp passthrough is not really such a CPU hit Feb 02 21:23:53 but the trigonometry to synthesize 8-16 voices is serious Feb 02 21:24:14 it's not a simple dsp project :/ Feb 02 21:24:38 a straight codec would be much simpler/cleaner (speex, ogg, etc) Feb 02 21:31:31 pupnik: i am keeping my fingers crossed for you. Feb 02 21:32:19 i am just a cheerleader spirytusick. i'm not the football team. Feb 02 21:32:54 go! go! gooooo... somebody else! Feb 02 21:37:08 lardman|scrabble: I see. I have neither, and it shows :) Trial and error, then. Feb 02 21:46:15 pupnik: you've contributed enough :) Feb 02 21:47:41 hey 10 months later we might get a playable Ultima 7 Feb 02 21:47:48 it's almost there Feb 02 21:49:37 guys, gotta go... new episode of lost to watch... Feb 02 21:57:32 Seems to me the videochat is underused, can we only vidchat amongst other maemo users, or are there other clients that will accept connections? Feb 02 22:59:49 <|tbb1> everytime i try to ssh into my tablet it takes a long time before the sshd ask me for a password, what could be that problem? Feb 02 23:00:06 how long Feb 02 23:00:29 turn on verbose when you connect and see what's going on Feb 02 23:00:44 ssh -v -v Feb 02 23:00:55 |ttb1 reverse dns timeout ? Feb 02 23:03:52 how many pizzas will you eat for the rest of your life? Feb 02 23:04:53 <|tbb|> debug1: An invalid name was supplied Feb 02 23:04:53 <|tbb|> Cannot determine realm for numeric host address Feb 02 23:04:53 <|tbb|> debug1: An invalid name was supplied Feb 02 23:04:53 <|tbb|> A parameter was malformed Feb 02 23:04:53 <|tbb|> Validation error Feb 02 23:06:24 evening Feb 02 23:07:21 <|tbb|> it hangs there Feb 02 23:07:26 <|tbb|> debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK Feb 02 23:09:00 edit the /etc/hosts file Feb 02 23:09:40 <|tbb|> from tablet ? and what exactly Feb 02 23:10:46 one sec here Feb 02 23:13:20 http://macnewbie.wordpress.com/2006/08/30/slow-ssh-connections-on-mac-os-x/#comment-18153 Feb 02 23:13:24 take a look at that Feb 02 23:17:04 <|tbb|> that worked thx Feb 02 23:19:57 cool Feb 02 23:22:40 I don't know all the answers but my google-foo is strong Feb 02 23:23:16 <|tbb|> havent know about ssh -v ;) Feb 02 23:25:29 why are motherboard manufacturers websites always the slowest crapiest sites to use Feb 02 23:25:34 graaaarrrrrrrrggg Feb 02 23:25:48 proteous: I wondered about that often too Feb 02 23:25:56 you want to download the latest drivers!!! Muaahahahha, eat this cold fusion error!! Feb 02 23:26:12 supermicros is not working right Feb 02 23:26:19 the asus usa site is super super slow Feb 02 23:26:26 the abit site is a joke Feb 02 23:26:46 I 'solved' the asus site stuff by hitting the russian mirror of the english site Feb 02 23:26:59 worked somewhat faster Feb 02 23:27:09 and the time you usualy want to use them is when you are trying to update a newly assembled computer, you just waited through a long ass install process and are already impatient Feb 02 23:27:14 heh Feb 02 23:28:53 I blame it on supermicros usage of SQLserver Feb 02 23:28:56 yuck Feb 02 23:29:04 SQLserver and coldfusion Feb 02 23:29:26 a one two punch to the gut Feb 02 23:36:13 Is this the appropriate channel for maemo/tablet related support? Feb 02 23:36:45 it's not offical nokia support Feb 02 23:36:49 but feel free to ask questions Feb 02 23:36:49 night all Feb 02 23:36:55 gnite Feb 02 23:36:58 too late Feb 02 23:37:21 we are all proud nokia tablet owners Feb 02 23:37:58 I've got a 770 running os2006. I'm getting a "memory card corrupted" message in control panel, memory. What should the partition table look like for /dev/mmcblk0 ? Feb 02 23:39:15 do you have the wifi patch installed? Feb 02 23:39:42 I'm not sure. How can I check? Feb 02 23:39:52 if you didn't install it yourself then it's not installed Feb 02 23:39:55 k Feb 02 23:40:30 the thing is that there is a nasty bug with the wifi, it has an error where using the wifi will randomly overwrite parts of memory Feb 02 23:40:41 Oh I see the sticky on the forums. Feb 02 23:40:56 basicly it's useless to try to troubleshoot anything before reflashing and installing the patch Feb 02 23:41:06 because there is no way to know what has been corrupted Feb 02 23:41:42 although the usualy procedure is to put the patch on your memory card, reflash the 770 and install the patch before using the wifi Feb 02 23:41:50 but if your memory card is corrupted that is a problem Feb 02 23:42:34 although you could reflash your 770, reformat the memory card, mount the 770 on your computer and transfer the patch to the memory card and install it before using the wifi Feb 02 23:43:03 but in answer to your initial quesion, I"m not sure what the partition talbe should look like Feb 02 23:43:33 do you think the latest os2007he still has this problem? Feb 02 23:43:53 I saw this http://maemo.org/news/announcements/view/new_os2007_he_for_the_nokia_770_with_mozilla_engine_and_memory_corruption_bugfix.html Feb 02 23:44:08 2007he has the patch already included Feb 02 23:44:29 my experience with 2007 wasn't too great Feb 02 23:44:30 although some people find 2007he to be unstable Feb 02 23:44:33 otherwise i'd just keep with it Feb 02 23:44:34 YMWV Feb 02 23:44:43 but i tried it right when it came out Feb 02 23:44:50 I haven't tried it Feb 02 23:45:00 I don't really need any of the features it adds Feb 02 23:48:25 alright, thanks for the help proteous Feb 02 23:48:32 np Feb 02 23:48:39 hope it works out for you Feb 02 23:53:56 I've had my 770 for over 2 years now and it keeps chugging. I'm sure you'll figure something out Feb 03 00:02:33 what's the most common language to write app for Maemo? Feb 03 00:02:56 python Feb 03 00:02:58 probably Feb 03 00:05:24 what's the best life to extend battery life? Feb 03 00:05:36 proteous: thanks. I like python Feb 03 00:06:19 the afterlife is the best life I would assume Feb 03 00:06:24 from what I hear Feb 03 00:07:43 s/life/way/ Feb 03 00:07:49 sorry typo Feb 03 00:08:19 not leaving the wifi on helps Feb 03 00:10:31 does anyone make a bigger bbattery for the nokia n800 or n810? i know it would have to come with a door/covering since it would be too large to fit but is there a such a product? Feb 03 00:11:11 you could make a battery pack that plugged into the charger port :) Feb 03 00:11:46 proteous: i know, i've seen these - thanks Feb 03 00:12:33 :P Feb 03 00:26:16 <|tbb|> nite all Feb 03 00:27:21 nite Feb 03 00:32:04 Hmm, is the ruby maemo site down? Feb 03 00:37:12 Never mind, found the packages directly in garage. Feb 03 00:55:05 How do I figure out my IP? Feb 03 00:56:18 open tool -> connection manage Feb 03 00:56:42 open the menu select Internet connection -> IP address Feb 03 00:56:45 if its your global internet ip you want, this place will make you laugh: http://www.moanmyip.com/ Feb 03 00:59:08 Or just type /sbin/ifconfig in an xterm. Feb 03 00:59:25 :P Feb 03 00:59:46 where did you get your name derf? Feb 03 01:00:55 ok, so I installed openssh server Feb 03 01:01:01 DO I need to restart for it to work? Feb 03 01:01:02 From the sky? I don't know. Feb 03 01:01:16 heh Feb 03 01:01:30 I commonly tell people it's a nice square of four letters on the keybaord. Feb 03 01:01:45 just that I have a friend who uses that nick on IRC Feb 03 01:01:57 I thought it was pretty strange Feb 03 01:02:02 It turns out their a fair number of us. Feb 03 01:02:07 but to see another derf is pretty odd Feb 03 01:02:08 s/their/there's Feb 03 01:02:12 interesting Feb 03 01:02:18 Something about four-letter nicks. Feb 03 01:03:20 heh Feb 03 01:25:13 fixed my memory card with os2007he :) Feb 03 01:32:36 nice Feb 03 01:39:20 has anyone fixed samba in the file manager Feb 03 01:40:02 it almost works Feb 03 01:40:51 haven't used it Feb 03 01:57:41 fixed what? Feb 03 01:57:50 what was wrong? Feb 03 02:04:00 how is it that the internal flash card on the n810 cannot be replaced? Feb 03 02:04:23 Because it's soldered to the mainboard. . . . Feb 03 02:06:27 lol Feb 03 02:25:48 Anyone here with an n800? Feb 03 02:27:30 I saw one online once Feb 03 02:27:36 but I just have a 770 Feb 03 02:27:42 Ha Feb 03 02:27:44 <`0660_> what's n800??? Feb 03 02:28:07 taters? what's taters precious? Feb 03 02:29:23 I need people with pretty quick tablets to test my web-app :) Feb 03 02:29:34 are you saying my 770 is slow? Feb 03 02:29:46 don't listen to him poor 770, he doesn't mean it Feb 03 02:29:57 :P I have no clue, never touched a tablet before Feb 03 02:31:39 proteous: do you think your tablet could handle a WebOS? Feb 03 02:31:48 no idea Feb 03 02:31:54 not if it's flash based :P Feb 03 02:32:30 I despise Flash Feb 03 02:32:39 its Javascript for the fancy-shmansy stuff Feb 03 02:32:44 PHP aswell Feb 03 02:32:55 Wanna give it a whirl for me? Feb 03 02:32:59 :) Feb 03 02:33:01 sure Feb 03 02:33:23 Awesome, thanks. The URL is exiousos.com/exiousos Feb 03 02:33:43 Click "New User", it takes about 2 seconds to register (just pick a username and pass) Feb 03 02:39:52 the directorys seem to be case sensitive Feb 03 02:40:02 so it would be exiousos.com/ExiousOS Feb 03 02:41:34 you might want to put in something that will give a warning if javascript isn't enabled in the browser Feb 03 02:42:02 at least on my 770, I didn't realized I had it turned off and was presented with a page with no content, just a background image Feb 03 02:43:23 not sure how to log in Feb 03 02:43:27 maybe it doesn't like my browser Feb 03 02:43:41 er, not so much log in as create an account Feb 03 02:43:48 There's no way it'll work with Opera. Feb 03 02:43:58 why's that Feb 03 02:44:09 Because Opera is old a sucky. Feb 03 02:44:16 s/a/and/ Feb 03 02:44:17 GeneralAntilles meant: Becanduse Opera is old a sucky. Feb 03 02:44:17 so is javascript Feb 03 02:44:27 lol Feb 03 02:44:33 <_< Feb 03 02:44:51 although the HTMLresponce stuff is newer Feb 03 02:45:04 and various other ajax stuff Feb 03 02:45:42 so, before I go digging into barcode libraries, does anyone know of a barcode-reading application for maemo? Feb 03 02:45:49 er, httpresponse Feb 03 02:46:15 None that I've seen, elb. Feb 03 02:46:22 You might check ITT, though. Feb 03 02:46:34 I didn't find anything in my own search Feb 03 02:46:41 but ... maemo stuff doesn't seem to be real well organized ;-) Feb 03 02:47:39 I nominate elb for the job. Feb 03 02:47:48 hah yeah Feb 03 02:48:48 a barcode framework that can use the camera for input seems like a natural fit, to me Feb 03 02:49:06 USB host mode + cue cat FTW Feb 03 02:49:20 if by 'ftw' you mean 'sucks' Feb 03 02:49:23 then I totally agree Feb 03 02:49:27 hah Feb 03 02:49:30 what sucks about that Feb 03 02:49:37 why haul around another external device, when you have an appropriate builtin input mechanism? Feb 03 02:49:51 maybe Feb 03 02:50:01 I've never used a camera based barcode reader Feb 03 02:50:39 aiming the camera might be a little ackward Feb 03 02:50:46 but maybe not Feb 03 02:50:54 on the 810 it might be Feb 03 02:50:59 but it's still not a second device Feb 03 02:51:33 you could duct tape the cuecat to your n800... Feb 03 02:53:02 I had one of the original cuecats Feb 03 02:53:05 they kind of sucked Feb 03 02:53:09 I've never used on Feb 03 02:53:13 one Feb 03 02:57:28 too bad the cuecat mainboard is sorta bulky **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Feb 03 02:59:56 2008