**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 04 02:59:57 2008 Feb 04 03:00:53 does it have a virtual core pointer Feb 04 03:05:11 orning Feb 04 03:19:21 wow what a difference that gspd patch makes Feb 04 03:19:51 20 seconds and 7 satalites lock on Feb 04 03:20:02 inside even Feb 04 03:20:36 what gpsd patch is that? Feb 04 03:20:50 maybe this explains why my gps works fine, and all I hear from others is crying about how slow it is Feb 04 03:21:32 smackpotato, thats greatnews Feb 04 03:21:56 its over at inttabelttalk Feb 04 03:22:20 oh, so it's not simply the latest os2008 or anything Feb 04 03:22:30 and my GPS apparently just remains freakishly fast ;-) Feb 04 03:22:37 i need to put the latest os2008 on Feb 04 03:22:55 i dont even know what the latest is Feb 04 03:23:21 aperently its very simple it saved thw wrong date or something Feb 04 03:25:09 wher are you elb Feb 04 03:25:59 IN, USA Feb 04 03:26:59 im using latest Feb 04 03:27:00 thats not the different results then Feb 04 03:27:15 * LinuxCode is kinda disappointed Feb 04 03:27:42 how so LinuxCode Feb 04 03:28:23 dunno was hoping for more goodies ;-p Feb 04 03:28:38 and some fixes Feb 04 03:28:39 i havent got the thumbboard figered out Feb 04 03:28:40 ;-D Feb 04 03:30:17 what a disgrace they only out the winblows flasher online Feb 04 03:30:23 public I mean Feb 04 03:30:37 i wish the light sensor was not under my finger half the time Feb 04 03:30:41 if I hasnt asked here I wouldnt have the linux flasher Feb 04 03:30:49 smackpotato, chop it off hehe Feb 04 03:30:50 ;-p Feb 04 03:31:00 lol Feb 04 03:31:06 I just use the stand Feb 04 03:31:13 and grab it from undeneath Feb 04 03:31:20 so it wont fall out but its comfy Feb 04 03:31:27 Me too, left handed with the stylus Feb 04 03:31:49 smackpotato, wheres the patch ? you got a direct lik ? Feb 04 03:32:10 one minute Feb 04 03:37:00 the light sensor on my tablet doesn't appear to do anything Feb 04 03:37:07 my brightness level never changes Feb 04 03:37:44 put ya finger over it Feb 04 03:37:50 does the keybaord light up ? Feb 04 03:38:23 the keyboard lights up any time I open it Feb 04 03:38:34 hmmm Feb 04 03:38:43 it should only come on when its dark Feb 04 03:38:52 and when you are typing Feb 04 03:39:12 nope, comes on any time I open the device Feb 04 03:39:21 and goes out after 20-30 seconds, unless I hit a key Feb 04 03:39:27 but covering the sensor doesn't re-light it Feb 04 03:39:27 maybe some settings option ? Feb 04 03:39:53 I dunno, I assumed it was just disabled by default, but I haven't seen a way to turn it on Feb 04 03:39:57 maybe it doesn't work on this tablet Feb 04 03:40:12 control-panel_display-leds Feb 04 03:41:07 nothing there about the light sensor Feb 04 03:41:29 http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/ Feb 04 03:41:38 cheers Feb 04 03:41:52 got the forum link too ? Feb 04 03:41:53 ;-D Feb 04 03:42:22 you need to be in redc pill mode fvor it to install Feb 04 03:42:35 how do i set it into red pill mode ? Feb 04 03:42:58 open app manager Feb 04 03:43:18 k ..then ? Feb 04 03:43:45 LinuxCode: I am assuming you *do* have a light sensor setting in the display prefs? Feb 04 03:43:52 no mate Feb 04 03:44:02 just brightness and all Feb 04 03:44:06 ok Feb 04 03:44:08 juster wondered if yours was off Feb 04 03:44:16 hence akward behaviour Feb 04 03:44:22 menue tools app cadalog Feb 04 03:44:31 I have my brightness set to the lowest setting Feb 04 03:44:33 I wonder if that's involved Feb 04 03:44:38 smackpotato, k Feb 04 03:44:44 new Feb 04 03:44:49 ahh ok Feb 04 03:44:55 I did that manually in apt-get Feb 04 03:44:56 lol Feb 04 03:44:59 ok Feb 04 03:45:13 replace http\\ with matrix Feb 04 03:45:19 k Feb 04 03:45:24 press cancel Feb 04 03:45:49 press red pill Feb 04 03:46:04 lool Feb 04 03:46:09 thats pathetically funny Feb 04 03:46:12 which pill lol Feb 04 03:46:16 red/blue Feb 04 03:46:24 it totally is Feb 04 03:46:32 if I set the brightness to something higher, the light sensor does something Feb 04 03:46:40 what is the blue pill ? Feb 04 03:46:45 dont forgetg to changbe itg back to blue pill aavter Feb 04 03:47:05 blue pill is normal Feb 04 03:47:06 it will give a longer uptime for the tablet? ;) Feb 04 03:47:35 hah Feb 04 03:47:36 thanks. so it will disable the red pill mode? Feb 04 03:47:44 no, it just restricts some settings in the application manager Feb 04 03:47:52 or rather, red pill *un*restricts some settings Feb 04 03:47:52 red pill,is exta pakages that can screw things Feb 04 03:47:54 smackpotato, k Feb 04 03:47:56 its installed Feb 04 03:47:58 thanks Feb 04 03:48:38 you will have one last poor gps preformance Feb 04 03:48:52 gotta reboot huh ? Feb 04 03:49:02 I try it tomorrow Feb 04 03:49:03 hehe Feb 04 03:49:07 I better got to bed Feb 04 03:49:14 I have a meeting at 11.30 Feb 04 03:49:18 its 3:49 Feb 04 03:49:19 ;- Feb 04 03:49:20 | Feb 04 03:49:21 is there any good maemo developer primers? Feb 04 03:49:25 heh Feb 04 03:49:30 i just finished watchign superbowl etc Feb 04 03:49:37 well, and doing work for oncall :| Feb 04 03:49:42 smackpotato: by installing only this one? http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/osso-gpsd_1.0-25_armel.deb Feb 04 03:50:08 oil, yes Feb 04 03:50:12 the one is debug Feb 04 03:50:16 the other is the headers Feb 04 03:50:24 cheers Feb 04 03:50:32 thanks smackpotato Feb 04 03:50:33 ;-] Feb 04 03:50:36 ok. great. I'll try that one as well. Feb 04 03:51:01 right I better swing my bum into bed Feb 04 03:51:07 maybe get 5 hours kip Feb 04 03:51:10 ;-| Feb 04 03:51:27 in asia we have a brand new day already :) Feb 04 03:52:11 ya u guys always get,to bee first Feb 04 03:52:45 hmm.. ssh to the tablet is really handy.. but there is a disadvantage as well.. every now and then need to wonder around the house to look for the tablet :) Feb 04 03:53:05 get two Feb 04 03:53:21 have already Feb 04 03:53:36 hmmm Feb 04 03:54:22 smackpotato: what did you do to the gpsd? Feb 04 03:55:41 ther is a link to the patch it is someone elses work. it was saving the wrong date Feb 04 03:55:50 http://folks.o-hand.com/jku/osso-gpsd/ Feb 04 03:57:00 so,was acting as a cold start every time Feb 04 03:58:37 im off to bed guys Feb 04 03:58:41 nn all Feb 04 03:58:42 ;-D Feb 04 03:58:56 and thanks again for many good discussions and insigts Feb 04 03:58:58 +h Feb 04 04:51:06 Hello Feb 04 06:17:50 Do I want to reflash. :< Feb 04 06:23:26 I'm trying to ping my n810 on the network Feb 04 06:23:35 looked at the address it believes it has, 10.8.0.12 Feb 04 06:23:47 in a default setup does pinging it work? Feb 04 06:25:04 hachi: might be difficult to find people with default setup here :) Anyway I suppose it should work. Feb 04 06:25:53 I'm trying it from many nodes on my network, none of them can ping it... and it can ping them just fine Feb 04 06:25:56 bleh Feb 04 06:26:02 lsmod doesn't show iptables as being loaded Feb 04 06:27:13 no rules in place... I see no filtering system in palce Feb 04 06:28:37 netstat -ln shows 0.0.0.0:22 listening just fine Feb 04 06:29:01 nmap from another node says no reply when I do a TCP scan on 22 on the node manually Feb 04 06:29:35 and your netmask & default gw are ok as well? Feb 04 06:29:50 my other machines on the network can't get an arp for the deivce Feb 04 06:30:25 dhcp assigned netmask, gateway is irrelevant because of that fact Feb 04 06:33:50 WTF, my laptop can't get arp requests to the device Feb 04 06:33:53 something in the middle? Feb 04 06:34:01 it's just wifi-to-wifi Feb 04 06:34:24 I found one device that can, it's fine from there Feb 04 06:34:26 a mac mini Feb 04 06:40:35 heh Feb 04 06:40:56 my ibm laptop finds it impossible to arp for the nokia Feb 04 07:19:41 hi all Feb 04 07:24:48 hallo Alendit Feb 04 07:25:23 wanna test offline wikipedia? Feb 04 07:25:39 for n800 Feb 04 07:25:44 i need testers Feb 04 07:26:02 it works on my n800, but i have no clue if it will work for someone else ^^ Feb 04 07:45:28 Alendit, is it easy to test? I will if i can do it fairly simply Feb 04 07:48:22 j0 Feb 04 07:48:24 was afk, sry Feb 04 07:48:39 read that http://alendit.blogspot.com/2008/02/mokopedia-wikipedia-in-your-pocket.html Feb 04 07:49:15 hope you'll not have too much difficulities with my english ^^ Feb 04 07:49:34 i see someone built gtk1.2 armels.. might be fun to try building 'dillo' web browser Feb 04 07:50:01 Alendit: can't you build a torrent of those files? Feb 04 07:50:30 i could, but there not so many people who want to dl it Feb 04 07:50:42 and these file are quite old Feb 04 07:50:49 new ones will be build soon Feb 04 07:51:03 pupnik: can you put that ja2 to your site? Feb 04 07:51:18 and maybe announce it on itt? Feb 04 07:51:38 Sure Feb 04 07:51:42 if it's not too much trouble Feb 04 07:53:15 ok, where do i put .ko files? Feb 04 07:53:27 it doesn't matter Feb 04 07:53:34 and i imagine I have to modprobe it before running the app? Feb 04 07:53:36 put it in your home folder or something Feb 04 07:53:44 no, modprobe doesn't work :( Feb 04 07:53:47 insmod + path Feb 04 07:53:49 oh Feb 04 07:53:51 ok Feb 04 07:53:59 modprobe is buggy in os2008 Feb 04 07:54:11 there no depmod Feb 04 07:54:11 ok to put it all on my memory card? Feb 04 07:54:18 yes, sure Feb 04 07:54:32 then just insmod the file Feb 04 07:54:53 ok Feb 04 07:55:48 http://pupnik.de/http://nakkiboso.com/ja2_0.7_svn.deb Feb 04 07:55:52 sorry Feb 04 07:55:59 http://pupnik.de/ja2_0.7_svn.deb Feb 04 07:57:10 ok, alendit, what do i do with the .img file? Feb 04 07:57:32 mount -o loop -t squashfs {path-to-wiki-image}/wikipedia_de_april_mini.img /media/squashfs Feb 04 07:57:46 just save it somewhere and mount then Feb 04 07:59:06 ok, its mounted.. now what? Feb 04 07:59:32 slick, Alendit Feb 04 07:59:44 hi Feb 04 08:00:12 just reading your mokopedia deal Feb 04 08:00:43 sry for my english, it's the best i can ^^ Feb 04 08:01:10 it all looks very good. thanks for your work! Feb 04 08:01:44 maybe I should order the 32GB SD now ;) Feb 04 08:01:46 no probs, i always wanted to port it to n800, even as i didn't have it ^^ Feb 04 08:02:17 ^^ i heard new wikipedia image is in working, this one is almost 1 year old Feb 04 08:02:21 have you benchmarked squashfs at all? Feb 04 08:02:30 it need a plenty of time though Feb 04 08:02:40 about 3 week Feb 04 08:02:42 no, i didn't Feb 04 08:03:25 now that I think about it, someone mentioned that I/O is faster with higher CPU load (possibly due to processor scaling Feb 04 08:03:26 ) Feb 04 08:03:39 it's possible that squashfs would actually be faster because of that ;) Feb 04 08:03:49 yeah, i heard about this bug (?) Feb 04 08:04:09 but squashfs is fast enough for wiki now Feb 04 08:05:08 I mean, the calculation required for squashfs compression may cause the CPU to scale higher sooner, making it faster than a 'normal' filesystem ;) Feb 04 08:05:49 would be funny ^^ Feb 04 08:06:02 Alendit: , maybe i will try again later when i find the depot for the libpcre* stuff Feb 04 08:06:24 it's in maemo extras repo Feb 04 08:06:33 i'll post the link in article Feb 04 08:06:39 k Feb 04 08:09:27 done Feb 04 08:09:44 add deb http://repostirory.maemo.org/extras chinook free non-free to /etc/apt/sources.list Feb 04 08:09:48 and run apt-get update Feb 04 08:10:11 good morning Feb 04 08:12:07 strange, libpcre3 should be in normal maemo repository Feb 04 08:12:19 can you send me your /etc/apt/sources.list ? Feb 04 08:12:31 or /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* Feb 04 08:12:44 hi, b0unc3 Feb 04 08:13:02 i am getting duplicates in apt-get update.. Feb 04 08:13:05 good morning Feb 04 08:14:21 it means you already have extras there Feb 04 08:14:37 sure, you can't install libpcre3 with apt-get? Feb 04 08:15:19 morning Feb 04 08:15:29 hi, hrw Feb 04 08:16:55 apt-get install libpcre3 needs dependencies.. you figure apt-get would find these.. Feb 04 08:18:38 sry, i didn't understand that. libpcre3 need some dependencies and apt-get can't find them? Feb 04 08:20:25 apt-get install lighttpd says lighttpd : Depends: libcre3 (>=4.5) but it is not going to be installed Feb 04 08:20:52 apt-cache search libpcre3 shows that it exists Feb 04 08:21:53 do apt-get install libpcre3 Feb 04 08:22:15 and then install lighttpd with dpkg -i lighttpd.deb Feb 04 08:23:01 I did tthe apt-get and it still says 'lighttpd: Depends: libpcrecpp0 ....' .. and lighttpd isn't even on the apt-get command line.. Feb 04 08:25:16 does apt cache the packages for install? Feb 04 08:25:25 lighttpd isn't in repositories Feb 04 08:26:04 should download it, there the link in article Feb 04 08:26:33 gimme a minute Feb 04 08:28:02 i updated post and pasted commands to install dependencies Feb 04 08:28:13 i am going to reflash.. i did too much without understanding.. give me 5 mins to reinstall Feb 04 08:28:53 you don't really need it Feb 04 08:29:13 just copypaste the dependencies line Feb 04 08:30:57 pupnik: thanks Feb 04 08:34:01 if you find pretter regions to screenshot please do so - i won't be able to test it for a while Feb 04 08:34:10 (no space on SD) Feb 04 08:34:48 someone have docs how to add locales, keyboard layouts to maemo? Feb 04 08:35:52 Morning, all Feb 04 08:36:01 o/ Feb 04 08:38:22 it's wonderful how 640x400 doubled dos games fit perfectly in the available non-fullscreen window space :) Feb 04 08:40:01 acroheh Feb 04 08:40:09 hmm Feb 04 08:43:34 Anyone using big (>8Gb) sd cards? Feb 04 08:44:21 why do you ask Tama^2 ? Feb 04 08:44:22 I'm using 2x16Gb and would like to know if anyone else noticed they consume heaps of power Feb 04 08:45:54 that's a very interesting question Feb 04 08:46:51 braddbr, still here? Feb 04 08:47:00 yup, installing ssh Feb 04 08:47:12 Tama^2, is that your situation now? you have 2x16 and your battery life is lower or are you just asking? Feb 04 08:47:14 <|tbb|> morning Feb 04 08:47:39 apparently even if I umount them and lock my n800 power isn't cut to the sd cards Feb 04 08:48:07 yes lower, like 10 times lower in idle mode Feb 04 08:48:32 I have run some tests and writing up about it Feb 04 08:49:21 but basically the punch line is that regardless of the mmcs being mounted or not when they are inserted I get x10 power consumption in dle mode Feb 04 08:49:58 offline mode, no app, not desktop applet, no metalayer crawler, no rss, no email Feb 04 08:50:15 is there a /proc entry i can cat for power consumption info? Feb 04 08:50:36 you can indirectly see how much the battery is drained over time Feb 04 08:50:53 no amperage info available AFAIK Feb 04 08:52:17 On the bright side I found that in the above configuration *without* any sd card inserted the battery really lasts 10 days in idle mode Feb 04 08:52:23 not bad Feb 04 08:52:31 http://www.randys.org/2007/11/16/how-to-automated-backups-to-amazon-s-s3-with-duplicity Feb 04 08:52:52 S3 storage could be useful. Feb 04 08:53:44 ok, fresh install :) what libs do i need to install Alendit_ ?? Feb 04 08:55:39 <|tbb|> Tama^2: are you telling about n810 or n800 or both Feb 04 08:56:04 Tama^2: real time current consumption would be very interesting. If you find anything (proc or dbus) let us know Feb 04 08:56:15 I tested with an n800 Feb 04 08:56:25 ok pupnik :) Feb 04 08:56:58 Tama^2, do you think the difference between SD cards might be related to metalayer-crawler? Feb 04 08:57:25 nevermind Feb 04 08:57:30 you already answered that Feb 04 08:57:42 johnx: that was my first bet and the reason I started testing... but it turns out that mt ot no mt makes no difference (after the indexing takes place) Feb 04 08:57:47 :P Feb 04 08:58:00 I will finish the writeup and paste the link in here Feb 04 08:58:06 at some stage... Feb 04 08:58:25 Just thought of it because when I have my SD card with Debian in tn while OS2008 is running metalayer crawler goes crazy Feb 04 08:58:37 <|tbb|> Tama^2: do you have some symlinks to the cards? Feb 04 08:58:58 |tbb|: nope, and it happens even with the cards unmounted Feb 04 08:59:12 again, the tests were run with and without metalayer crawler Feb 04 08:59:37 so the poor crawler is not to blame ... for once Feb 04 08:59:39 ;) Feb 04 09:00:44 johnx: it appears the crawler has a known bug with symlinks (the bug was fixed at some stage but then resurfaced in a later version in some different form) Feb 04 09:00:51 nice Feb 04 09:00:55 that would make sense Feb 04 09:01:01 johnx: I was reading about it on bugzilla today... Feb 04 09:01:03 braddbr, sry was afk Feb 04 09:01:14 s'ok Feb 04 09:01:17 copy&paste the line with dependecies Feb 04 09:01:20 <|tbb|> how to stop crawler, do it have a stop command? or just killing it Feb 04 09:01:23 maybe I could store my music collection at S3, and then mount it from the N800 ;) Feb 04 09:01:24 the best part is that I'm having issues with trackerd (another indexing system) on my desktop ubuntu box Feb 04 09:01:32 no matter where I go I can't escape O_o Feb 04 09:01:39 apt-get install libpcre3 libpcre3-dev libpcrecpp0 perl perl-modules Feb 04 09:01:43 That would be $15 per month for 100GB. Feb 04 09:02:02 |tbb|, as root, /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop Feb 04 09:02:06 (or something like that) Feb 04 09:02:14 ok, sources.list is empty.. sources.list.d/hildon... has deb http://repository.maemo.org/extra/ chinook free non-free Feb 04 09:02:36 i did a apt-get update.. apt-cache search libpcre3 finds nothing.. Feb 04 09:02:56 |tbb|: /etc/init.d/metalayer-crawler0 stop Feb 04 09:03:09 wait Feb 04 09:03:45 add deb http://repository.maemo.org/ chinook free non-free Feb 04 09:03:55 to sources.list Feb 04 09:05:05 ok, updating.. what is the diff between sources.list and the files in sources.list.d?? Feb 04 09:05:34 sources.list.d is a directory Feb 04 09:05:52 all listes in source.list.d are quite the same as sources.list Feb 04 09:05:59 ok Feb 04 09:06:16 does application-manager use only sources.list.d/* ?? Feb 04 09:06:29 no, also sources.list Feb 04 09:06:34 i think Feb 04 09:06:34 ok Feb 04 09:06:39 quite sure Feb 04 09:07:15 guys: is it "normal" that n810 does not want to start when charged to full? Feb 04 09:07:40 braddbr: sources.list and sources.list.d/ entries are both correct Feb 04 09:07:46 braddbr: APT use both Feb 04 09:08:25 and application-manager do not use 'sources.list' but it use APT (and APT use sources lists) Feb 04 09:08:33 yeah, and since app manager is only a apt backend (i think) it should also use both Feb 04 09:08:44 oh, didn't know tha Feb 04 09:08:46 t Feb 04 09:09:12 but I do not know does it edit sources.list directly or handle it via APT Feb 04 09:10:22 ok, dpkg -i lightttpd seems to set something in the apt-get stuff.. i did dpkg -i lighttpd.. its said libbz2 was a dependancy.. so i apt-get install libbz2.. it says replaced by bzip2.. so i did 'apt-get install bzip2' and that apt-get says 'lighttpd: Depends: libbz2...' Feb 04 09:10:35 jesus... Feb 04 09:10:45 why not simple 'apt-get install lightttpd'? Feb 04 09:10:58 cause there no lighttpd in repos Feb 04 09:11:00 I know that maemo suxx when it comes to repositories but Feb 04 09:11:04 do apt-get -f install Feb 04 09:11:09 well i was using the version Alendit_ posted.. Feb 04 09:11:29 rumours say that os2011 will have feeds done right Feb 04 09:11:31 ok, i got it :) Feb 04 09:11:32 or i should say, i didn't find any lighttpd in repos Feb 04 09:11:45 <|tbb|> does the crawler runs (eat cpu power) while display is off and in flight mode? Feb 04 09:12:08 <|tbb|> Aendit_ do you got some screenshoots about mokopedia on n8x0 Feb 04 09:12:32 mom, there are a screen cast (not from me) Feb 04 09:12:40 mom = moment Feb 04 09:13:11 http://www.rabenfrost.net/mokopedia_demo2.ogg Feb 04 09:13:14 |tbb|: it runs but does not necessarily use too much of your CPU Feb 04 09:13:19 Alendit_: lighttpd did not install a /etc/lighttpd.conf Feb 04 09:13:28 i know Feb 04 09:13:35 it's in mokopedia.tar.gz Feb 04 09:13:40 ok Feb 04 09:13:48 just make tar xvf moko* -C / Feb 04 09:14:55 I think my media library is to HUGE for canola Beta2 Feb 04 09:15:10 it reboots the device O.o Feb 04 09:15:12 <|tbb|> how does it look like on n810, fullscreen or 240px width? Feb 04 09:23:24 bon dia / good morning Feb 04 09:24:49 Alendit_: I get mokopedia home page.. i added the small .img.. /media/squashfs/a/* exists, but when i search for 'a' nothing shows up Feb 04 09:26:03 strange, let me think Feb 04 09:26:44 |tbb| sry, i'm not registered Feb 04 09:28:07 maybe permission problems? Feb 04 09:28:28 you need only read permission Feb 04 09:33:14 hi there Feb 04 09:34:01 braddbr, hey still there? Feb 04 09:35:14 yeah.. i was looking at lightppd log.. i get /../../: No such file or directory at /src/www/htdocs/wiwk/mokopedia.cga line 110.. maybe i started lighttpd in the wrong dir? Feb 04 09:35:41 wiwk=wiki* Feb 04 09:35:52 cga = cgi? Feb 04 09:36:04 yup, sorry Feb 04 09:36:22 it should be srv/www Feb 04 09:36:43 do you have src? Feb 04 09:37:55 i have the cgi script.. Feb 04 09:38:29 do you have /srv/www/ directory? Feb 04 09:38:37 yup Feb 04 09:39:25 wait a minute Feb 04 09:39:40 <|tbb|> anyone knows how many watts or milliwatts a n770 will consume while its on 100% cpu and display on, was this checked before? Feb 04 09:41:04 test image is corrupt Feb 04 09:41:08 my fault Feb 04 09:41:13 i'll upload new one Feb 04 09:41:18 ok Feb 04 09:47:31 braddbr, have some probs uploading it to box Feb 04 09:47:58 ok, just use my nic 'braddbr' when you are ready so i can hear the 'click' Feb 04 09:48:19 ok Feb 04 09:56:27 http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/04/nokia-n810-and-fscked-charging-subsystem/ Feb 04 09:57:01 braddbr, done Feb 04 09:57:11 k Feb 04 09:57:12 should work now Feb 04 10:00:28 hrw: still doesn't start? Feb 04 10:04:39 solmumaha: yep Feb 04 10:08:01 braddbr, does it work? Feb 04 10:10:01 nope :( search for 'aaa' results (in /var/log/lighttpd/errors.log) can't opendir /media/squashfs/a/a/a/: No such file or directory Feb 04 10:10:41 do ls /meedia/squashfs/a/a Feb 04 10:10:46 *media Feb 04 10:11:23 no directories, only files 'AAA', 'AAAA' ... and there is a links.list Feb 04 10:11:36 sure you use the new image? Feb 04 10:12:17 did a tar xf mokopedia.tar -C / Feb 04 10:12:32 i mean the test.img Feb 04 10:12:38 ohhh... Feb 04 10:12:41 no :) Feb 04 10:12:45 ^^ Feb 04 10:12:47 redownload it Feb 04 10:12:52 hrw: sounds to me something is broken Feb 04 10:13:08 it should start if you plug in the charger Feb 04 10:15:06 Alendit_: werks :) (well i tried 'aa' and 'aaa') Feb 04 10:15:33 ^^ Feb 04 10:15:54 now you can dl real wikipedia image and just mount it Feb 04 10:16:13 when i get a bigger SD card :) Feb 04 10:16:26 yo Feb 04 10:16:29 btw, whats the biggest SD a n800 will support? Feb 04 10:16:49 you should start lighttpd, insert squashfs module and mount image on every start Feb 04 10:16:55 8gb i think Feb 04 10:17:07 but i don't see why a 16gb shouldn't work Feb 04 10:17:54 its a nice little app. is this the first version? Feb 04 10:18:21 yes Feb 04 10:18:38 awesome Feb 04 10:18:39 i'll contact the developer and ask him if i can help develop it Feb 04 10:18:41 good work Feb 04 10:18:51 not sure he still work on it Feb 04 10:18:54 it's not mine Feb 04 10:18:57 i just ported it Feb 04 10:18:58 oh Feb 04 10:19:15 well, its another app to add to the repo (when you get the .deb files working good) Feb 04 10:19:23 yes Feb 04 10:20:21 well off to the other virtual desktop.. Feb 04 10:21:04 cya Feb 04 10:21:35 oh wait Feb 04 10:21:57 ah, nevermind :) Feb 04 10:25:18 morning all Feb 04 10:26:08 hi Feb 04 10:28:41 me is impressed with Ubuntu, except that grub had to be manually installed, and it still doesn't have a clue about multi-head setup or indeed remembering the one working screen's res and freq settings Feb 04 10:28:53 me should type a / Feb 04 10:32:28 does anyone know how i can insmod on startup? Feb 04 10:33:01 rc.d Feb 04 10:33:17 ok, thx Feb 04 10:36:20 lardman: ... manually install grub? that doesn't sound like Ubuntu - unless you're using an odd install method Feb 04 10:36:33 greets lardman Feb 04 10:37:16 hi pupnik Feb 04 10:37:22 ccooke: it tried to install it and failed Feb 04 10:38:05 lardman http://pupnik.de/newvox is a cute sdl demo (voxels) - will be very fast soon in full 800x480 Feb 04 10:38:14 ccooke: I've no idea where it tried installing it for that matter. I've got sda, sdb and an hda, I wonder if it thought that hda was first in the boot order while it's actually last Feb 04 10:38:23 and so tiny :) 8780 Feb 3 19:48 newvox Feb 04 10:38:52 pupnik: I'll have a look in a minute :) Feb 04 10:39:18 I can't believe Linux still has troubles with multihead though Feb 04 10:39:31 lardman: that's not a big problem in Ubuntu anymore Feb 04 10:39:38 although it's not as good as it *will* be Feb 04 10:39:49 but it is! I installed it yesterday and it doesn't work ;) Feb 04 10:39:50 It's hard to believe Linux still has troubles with a lot of things. Feb 04 10:40:17 lardman: System -> Administration -> Screens and Graphics Feb 04 10:40:46 (next release, when it goes live, *should* be automatically configured for multicast as soon as you plug the monitor in on most cards) Feb 04 10:41:15 yep, everytime I boot it doesn't remember the settings, and when I go to enable the extra screens it kills the xserver and either doesn't come back (alt-ctl-back space job) or just screws up the main screen res and doesn't enable the other screens Feb 04 10:42:02 What version are you running? Feb 04 10:42:04 perhaps I have something strange - 7900gtx w/ single main screen, 7300gs with two additional screens Feb 04 10:42:10 7.10 iirc Feb 04 10:42:38 lardman, are you using nvidia drivers or nv? Feb 04 10:42:52 lardman: that's well outside the curve, yes. Are you using the nvidia... what johnx said :-) Feb 04 10:43:52 johnx: nvidia Feb 04 10:44:04 so unsupported of course Feb 04 10:44:22 but still, it shouldn't really matter as we're just talking about xorg.conf here Feb 04 10:44:24 unsupported? you turned it on with Ubuntu's little "restricted driver manager" right? Feb 04 10:44:28 yep Feb 04 10:44:32 ok Feb 04 10:45:07 ah, so you said it forgets the settings? Feb 04 10:45:13 did you use nvidia's little control panel? Feb 04 10:45:32 Another minor annoyance, should the Display & Screens applet actually work, is that is appears each card has to run/serve a separate Xserver. I.e. It says I can have a separate one on the 7300, but can't be the same as the 7900 Feb 04 10:45:51 lardman: That's the way t works, yes Feb 04 10:46:05 johnx: I just found that, yes I've tried it, but it doesn't seem to hold the changes Feb 04 10:46:27 johnx: it can see all the monitors, etc, but the conf file it writes doesn't actually contain them Feb 04 10:46:30 right, it gets run as user by default and it doesn't seem to have the good sense to complain that it can't write the changes to xorg.conf Feb 04 10:46:50 yeah, I wondered about that; it complains about not being able to open a gtk window when run as root Feb 04 10:46:58 gksu nvidia-settings Feb 04 10:47:24 ah, thanks :) Feb 04 10:47:37 took me long enough to figure WTH it was up to ... Feb 04 10:47:40 and yes, the built in applet seems to forget the monitor res and/or freq Feb 04 10:47:55 yeah, I don't like that thing Feb 04 10:48:08 every time I run it, it breaks my *very simple* setup Feb 04 10:48:25 now the interesting thing is that after lots of effort I had a nice working 3 screen, single xserver setup on my Mandrakiva Feb 04 10:48:41 but I obviously forgot to save the xorg.conf Feb 04 10:49:01 and Ubuntu doesn't seem to offer to span a single xserver over more than one card Feb 04 10:49:04 strange (imo) Feb 04 10:49:06 do you remember if it was with twinview, xinerama or seperate x screens? Feb 04 10:49:22 yeah, this is where my terminology gets lost Feb 04 10:49:34 not xinerama - didn't maximise across screens Feb 04 10:49:47 ah twinview maximizes across screens Feb 04 10:49:50 probably a twinview style thing, but with 3 screens, all the same xserver Feb 04 10:49:50 xinerama doesn't Feb 04 10:49:56 ah, other way round then Feb 04 10:50:12 can someone correct me if I'm wrong here? I was under the impression that multihead was always *one x server* Feb 04 10:50:28 you can have a single xserver for each screen Feb 04 10:50:36 and that in fact there is no good, simple way to have two x servers on two seperate VTs running Feb 04 10:50:37 "start menu" on each window Feb 04 10:50:43 lardman, right Feb 04 10:50:50 that's multiple "screens" on one x server Feb 04 10:51:01 if I understand correctly Feb 04 10:51:11 hmm, the screens can't interact Feb 04 10:51:20 no copying across screens, etc. Feb 04 10:51:26 sounds right Feb 04 10:51:34 but: ps auxc | grep Xorg Feb 04 10:52:02 the display applet talks about a separate xserver for my second card, was why I thought that was true Feb 04 10:52:10 johnx: at work atm Feb 04 10:52:11 hmm Feb 04 10:52:16 ah Feb 04 10:52:39 * johnx risks running the display applet O_o Feb 04 10:53:01 I wonder if my multiscreen wonderfulness was a specific setting on the nvidia driver, I seem to remember there being some Feb 04 10:54:00 honestly, I would read a howto and craft an xorg.conf by hand. I think we're still 1 or 2 Linux releases away from completely automagic handling of arbitrary multi-monitor setups... Feb 04 10:54:32 the display applet is only talking to me about a "secondary screen" Feb 04 10:54:36 nothing about x servers Feb 04 10:54:36 I know, that's what I did last time (was ~3 years ago though), just a bit disappointed that things haven't moved on yet Feb 04 10:54:45 me too :( Feb 04 10:54:46 do you have 2 cards? Feb 04 10:54:50 one card Feb 04 10:54:55 a lowly geforce 6600 Feb 04 10:55:18 which is just fine for me :) Feb 04 10:55:21 yeah, it asks me about a second screen (which it may think is on the second output of my first card - but it has no monitor), then asks about a second card & xserver Feb 04 10:55:44 aaaah Feb 04 10:55:45 ok Feb 04 10:55:46 hmm Feb 04 10:55:58 I used to have 2 screens, needed more space Feb 04 10:56:00 :) Feb 04 10:56:17 I think the applet is getting confused Feb 04 10:56:23 Last question... Feb 04 10:56:27 sure Feb 04 10:56:34 where is the current screen res & freq stored? Feb 04 10:56:52 xorg.conf saves multiple possibilities, but does it save the chosen one? Feb 04 10:56:52 the current screen res? Feb 04 10:56:59 are all files in rcx.d executed on runlevel x? Feb 04 10:57:32 Alendit_, all files beginning with Snn (where nn is between 01 and 99) are executed as long as they're executable Feb 04 10:57:41 kk Feb 04 10:57:47 AFAIK :) Feb 04 10:58:11 lardman, it chooses the default based on what's first in the list of Modes Feb 04 10:58:25 and the current one isn't saved at least I don't think it is Feb 04 10:58:25 ah, ok, I'll do some tweaking there then Feb 04 10:58:36 yeah, I need to fix my setup too Feb 04 10:58:47 ok, one more question ;) Feb 04 10:58:52 heh Feb 04 10:58:54 go for it Feb 04 10:59:03 how does one generate the random numbers for the screen res/freqs? Feb 04 10:59:13 well I'm sure they're not random - modelines Feb 04 10:59:16 gah Feb 04 10:59:17 gah Feb 04 10:59:26 find a modeline generator Feb 04 10:59:38 yep, Google has sorted that out Feb 04 10:59:44 thanks Feb 04 11:00:04 if you can't find a modeline generator settle down for a couple weeks of research about how CRTs work Feb 04 11:00:13 * lardman wishes for Windows like simplicity with setting up displays Feb 04 11:00:22 me too Feb 04 11:00:23 johnx: :( Feb 04 11:00:33 but I prefer Linux's error messages when things don't work Feb 04 11:00:37 * johnx wrote his own modelines at one point Feb 04 11:00:42 never again Feb 04 11:00:50 oh yes, I prefer Linux in general, just some little (annoying things) :) Feb 04 11:01:44 the two monitor, no hotpluging setup is fine at least Feb 04 11:02:11 too bad I don't want to waste CPU/GPU/RAM on drawing to my TV when it's off Feb 04 11:02:26 never looks good on a tv out Feb 04 11:02:40 looks fine here, except my TV is horrible Feb 04 11:02:41 but I suppose LCD tvs may be better Feb 04 11:03:02 if it's clone mode to tv it shouldn't really take cpu/gpu/ram Feb 04 11:03:25 lcd tv's are better off run through dvi. looks heaps better, doh. Feb 04 11:03:27 glass_, the max res the nvidia card wants to run for TV out is 1024x768 ... Feb 04 11:03:40 johnx: well the real reso with tv out is 720x480 or so Feb 04 11:03:43 it just samples it Feb 04 11:04:02 may be why my one looked nasty Feb 04 11:04:11 yeah Feb 04 11:04:20 was an old card, probably rubbish sampling Feb 04 11:04:22 like, it can't overdrive svideo or composite... Feb 04 11:04:22 lardman, standard TV resolution is just horrible is all :) Feb 04 11:04:30 yeah Feb 04 11:04:31 esp if you're American ;) Feb 04 11:04:48 720x480 is the optimum reso about if you can create custom resolutions Feb 04 11:05:12 yeah, but my nvidia card won't agree to have the "native X11 resolution" for the TV out head be anything more than 1024x768 (I think) Feb 04 11:05:21 so clone is kind of a non-starter... Feb 04 11:05:34 what I need is some clever metamodes... Feb 04 11:06:16 windows side i just use the "overlay to tv" thing Feb 04 11:06:16 all this fiddling is the kind of thing that stops me doing useful work :) Feb 04 11:06:26 :) Feb 04 11:06:31 it zooms the overlays to a properish tv res(720x480) into the tvout Feb 04 11:06:48 windows drivers have more love me thinks Feb 04 11:06:54 because tv is rubbish for anything else than videos anyhow Feb 04 11:07:00 yeah probably Feb 04 11:07:20 mostly i just play vids with xbox tho to be honest Feb 04 11:08:11 yeah...I used to have an older athlon as a dedicated media center but a smaller apartment meant some consolidation Feb 04 11:08:17 I've got a "showcenter" for that Feb 04 11:10:14 anyway, thanks for your help chaps Feb 04 11:10:16 Hehe, I finally received a correct NL version N810 :) Feb 04 11:10:30 old xboxes are great media centers Feb 04 11:10:33 when modded Feb 04 11:10:38 too bad they lack power for hd Feb 04 11:11:11 glass_, yeah HD plays great here...gets nicely downscaled to 740x480 :) Feb 04 11:11:13 and too bad the network chip broke in mine.. only works in 10mbit and only when passed through a 10mbit hub connected to a switch..(yeah it's freaky) Feb 04 11:11:29 i just got a regular tv so i don't care about hd yet that much Feb 04 11:11:30 network problems tend to be that way... Feb 04 11:11:47 the chips have a habit of breaking Feb 04 11:12:06 10mbit is enough to play most stuff over the network Feb 04 11:14:25 HD on the computer is the way to do it. Feb 04 11:14:29 Tuners are a dime a dozen. Feb 04 11:14:46 what do you tune into though? Feb 04 11:14:55 ClearQAM/ATSC Feb 04 11:14:59 do you have HD broadcast for free in the US? Feb 04 11:15:10 Of course. Feb 04 11:15:24 All OTA stuff is gonna be digital in 2009. Feb 04 11:15:33 ah, fair enough Feb 04 11:15:44 need to pay for satellite/cable here to get HD Feb 04 11:16:02 It's basically PBS/FOX/ABC/CBS/NBC Feb 04 11:16:08 plus a few random other channels. Feb 04 11:16:13 Just fine for me. Feb 04 11:16:22 ye Feb 04 11:16:28 bye Feb 04 11:16:35 I get it from the unencrypted QAM from the cable company, though. Feb 04 11:16:42 Little easier than fiddling with an antenna. Feb 04 11:19:56 I emailed a chap at Nokia (from the headers) about the GPS data files, but no reply Feb 04 11:22:50 Isn't disturbing to think about what could be done with these things if the platform were completely open? :( Feb 04 11:23:13 very much so, but it might cost more to make then Feb 04 11:23:23 GeneralAntilles, all the freaking time :( Feb 04 11:23:41 When are all the dinosaurs at TI gonna die off so their open their ish up? Feb 04 11:23:49 s/their/they/ Feb 04 11:23:49 GeneralAntilles meant: When are all the dinosaurs at TI gonna die off so they open their ish up? Feb 04 11:24:20 GeneralAntilles, don't hold out for that. Sharp killed off the zaurus line long ago, and buried the source for lots of stuff with it Feb 04 11:24:22 Imgtech is of more interest Feb 04 11:24:39 the PowerVR is probably the biggest unused feature Feb 04 11:24:50 s/biggest/coolest Feb 04 11:24:59 johnx: "Long" ago? They only killed it last year... Feb 04 11:25:25 ccooke, well they've seemingly been trying to kill it since ~2003 or so... Feb 04 11:25:40 but I was referring to the US Zauruses, like the 5500 and 5600 Feb 04 11:25:59 lardman, heh...in the long term though the battery charing stuff will be the "most wanted" feature I think Feb 04 11:26:21 johnx: no, not really. It's just that you or I weren't their customers - they wanted to sell to Japanese people who wanted an easy-to-use device that was more than a dictionary Feb 04 11:26:39 (have you seen the number of electronic dictionaries on sale in Japan?) Feb 04 11:26:49 ccooke, yes :) Feb 04 11:27:18 ccooke, did you have a zaurus at one point or another? Feb 04 11:27:37 johnx: the Zaurus fit into the product lines there as a "top of the range" thing. Problem was, they didn't make the interface as nice as the competition... Feb 04 11:27:45 #debsums -s dpkg Feb 04 11:27:45 debsums: checksum mismatch dpkg file /usr/bin/dpkg Feb 04 11:27:46 right Feb 04 11:27:48 I can understand a need for a PIM... it seems the internet tablet cannot yet unfortunately replace one. Feb 04 11:27:49 nice firmware Feb 04 11:27:51 I understand that Feb 04 11:28:00 I had a C750, C860, C3100 and a C3200. Feb 04 11:28:09 ah Feb 04 11:28:27 and I bought the N810 as a next-closest-model upgrade :-) Feb 04 11:28:49 for me n800 was everything zaurus never was, but i had only collie Feb 04 11:29:10 Sharp's "community outreach" for the 5500/5600 consisted of closing their official forum without warning and a complete lack of communication Feb 04 11:29:11 zaurus was lacking in hardware so it was only a toy imo Feb 04 11:29:51 it was a pretty cool toy at the time Feb 04 11:29:52 solmumaha, it had plenty of hardware...it was always a problem of getting a critical mass of developers Feb 04 11:29:56 solmumaha: ... you know the zaurus was more powerful than the N8x0 by quite a margin, right? Feb 04 11:30:08 ccooke, not the 5500... Feb 04 11:30:10 i only had sl-5500 Feb 04 11:30:10 hmm, how do? Feb 04 11:30:18 with a better keyboard, more expansion than the n800... Feb 04 11:30:20 that sl-5500 was pretty powerful for it's time Feb 04 11:30:30 it really was Feb 04 11:30:35 opera with zooming with it was awesome coupled with the first gprs phones Feb 04 11:30:36 I loved mine too Feb 04 11:30:47 solmumaha: ahh. But you can't compare a - what? four? five? - year old palmtop with a new one :-) Feb 04 11:30:55 ccooke: but not in terms of the hardware then, built in BT, GPS, WiFi Feb 04 11:31:06 yes, a normal upgrade cycle Feb 04 11:31:10 my bro had(has) a sd bt Feb 04 11:31:12 The built-in wifi was the big thing for me, dsp was added bonus Feb 04 11:31:40 glass_: sdio wasn't hooked up on the Zaurus iirc Feb 04 11:31:41 lardman: The n8x0 isn't anything like as good at video/audio as the later Zaurii, unfortunately. Feb 04 11:31:50 lardman: it is Feb 04 11:31:54 how many models had bluetooth/wlan built-in? Feb 04 11:31:55 ccooke: what spec were the later ones then? Feb 04 11:31:57 lardman: it was, but the driver never got into the standard kernels Feb 04 11:32:33 ccooke: oh right, the other issue was the lack of drivers for the SD IO cards iirc Feb 04 11:32:35 lardman, 416MHz xscale / 64MB RAM / 6GB microdrive / CF slot / sd slot Feb 04 11:32:48 lardman: 64meg RAM, built in 6GHDD, 416Mhz arm-based processor, with video players that could clock it up on demand to 620Mhz, IIRC... Feb 04 11:32:49 ccooke > the later zaurus ? it was only a 416Mhz XScale Feb 04 11:33:06 and this is the same proc as Palm TX ... Feb 04 11:33:08 johnx: shouldn't really be better for audio/video then, though XorA did a good job with mplayer Feb 04 11:33:23 at 612Mhz it was ok for 320*480 video ... Feb 04 11:33:33 Khertan: my last two Zaurii (C3100 and C3200) could play 640x480 video that I used on my TV. Feb 04 11:33:34 but it s the limit Feb 04 11:33:41 johnx: should have been aimed at ccooke, sorry Feb 04 11:33:44 and without software and marketing and community outreach that awesome hardware got sharp nothing Feb 04 11:33:46 not re-encoded. Feb 04 11:33:50 so at 640x480 ... they should be drop frame Feb 04 11:34:06 Khertan: not enough to be noticable Feb 04 11:34:06 they have video acceleration too iirc Feb 04 11:34:10 yeah Feb 04 11:34:16 lardman > ok ... Feb 04 11:34:23 the n8x0 could do about as well, if it had acceleration working Feb 04 11:34:34 well i don't miss my collie after n800 Feb 04 11:34:38 indeed, bring on the IVA.... Feb 04 11:34:49 collie was great for PIM stuff Feb 04 11:35:04 I still have mine sitting herer..but it won't turn on right now :( Feb 04 11:35:22 (don't get me wrong - the n8x0 is a better device. It has better networking, a vastly better browser and screen, lovely speakers and great battery life. But it's not all positive :-) Feb 04 11:35:24 yeah, my batteries all died Feb 04 11:35:51 ccooke, yeah. I really wish I could mix and match features from all my Linux handhelds Feb 04 11:35:54 ccooke: of course, and don't get me wrong, I had a 5500 and sl750 Feb 04 11:36:00 lardman, I think mine must have too Feb 04 11:36:06 I was just using it earlier today ... Feb 04 11:37:30 i tried to offer my collie to freebsd-arm project Feb 04 11:37:48 (Still - I haven't yet seen a palmtop as good for heavy use as the Psion 5mx I used to have ;-) Feb 04 11:37:54 hear hear Feb 04 11:38:07 I was using mine yesterday for scrabble Feb 04 11:38:17 heh. Mine both have cracked screens Feb 04 11:38:21 I kind of want one of those to complete my collection Feb 04 11:38:21 that's the size I'd like to see now Feb 04 11:38:28 backlight's gone on mine Feb 04 11:38:29 one terminally dead, one with just the touchscreen broken Feb 04 11:38:29 that and an IBM z50 workpad Feb 04 11:40:20 to compile in scratchbox, can i simply 'sb-conf select CHINOOK-ARMEL' then build the app, then copy it to my nokia and execute it to test it on the tablet? Feb 04 11:40:36 yup Feb 04 11:40:44 ok, thanks Feb 04 11:44:53 booo 27fps Feb 04 11:47:08 a quick question.. how can i setup inside my scratchbox environment to use debian's eth0 interface and ip_address (so I can scp or ftp to my tablet) Feb 04 11:48:00 I think i could scp out of scratchbox without any additional settings Feb 04 11:48:05 did you try it yet? Feb 04 11:48:18 yup, it tells me 'no route to host' Feb 04 11:49:12 interesting Feb 04 11:49:36 but it can get out on the internet and do an apt-get update, right? Feb 04 11:49:55 oh, you mean scp the other way.. i didn't try that.. Feb 04 11:50:05 hmm? Feb 04 11:50:10 i was scp'ing from insdie scratchbox Feb 04 11:50:19 inside* Feb 04 11:50:23 right...which should work Feb 04 11:50:43 and I was asking "Does apt-get update work in scratchbox?" Feb 04 11:50:51 as in does any networking stuff work inside it? Feb 04 11:51:05 scratchbox/tools/bin/misc_runner: SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set is what I get Feb 04 11:51:09 johnx: yes it does Feb 04 11:51:23 florian, I was asking braddbr :P Feb 04 11:51:42 (i'm as CHINOOK_ARMEL target) Feb 04 11:52:13 hmm Feb 04 11:53:08 johnx: ok, don't worry... I take that back and mention that I can't help you ;) Feb 04 11:53:34 well apt-get update works fine as CHINOOK_X86 target.. trying scp.. Feb 04 11:55:03 ok, scp works in X86 mode Feb 04 11:55:39 I don't know what causes that other error message but other people seem to have had that problem too Feb 04 11:55:47 I don't have it, so I don't know what it is Feb 04 11:55:48 sorry Feb 04 11:56:21 ok, another question if you know, chmod a+x test (which is my ARMEL-compiled file) will not set execute permissions.. Feb 04 11:56:35 can i execute this from a ssh'd session to my tablet? Feb 04 11:57:14 you mean, can you copy test to the tablet, then ssh to the tablet and run test? yes Feb 04 11:57:29 can't set permissions on the IT or in scratchbox? Feb 04 11:57:42 ok, i did that.. but on the tablet i can't set execute for test Feb 04 11:57:49 you know the SD/MMC/whatever they are these days cards have no execute permissions Feb 04 11:57:52 (its on /media/mmc2) Feb 04 11:57:58 locked up vi here lol Feb 04 11:57:58 ohh Feb 04 11:58:04 aaah Feb 04 11:58:14 good guess lardman :D Feb 04 11:58:22 not a guess, a know :) Feb 04 11:58:48 so what good is a SD card if i can't execute from it? Feb 04 11:59:01 for storing things? Feb 04 11:59:09 you could always remount the card Feb 04 11:59:12 braddbr, it's not the card, it's the filesystem Feb 04 11:59:24 oh ok Feb 04 11:59:24 no it's the mount options Feb 04 11:59:25 or rather, it's the options the filesystem is mounted with Feb 04 11:59:49 braddbr: I just tend to sftp to /home/user Feb 04 12:00:04 ok, i'll do that for now then.. thank you Feb 04 12:01:26 woot! my first app 'draw 1000 random squares' works.. thanks for the help guys Feb 04 12:02:21 yay! Feb 04 12:05:19 pupnik: what does newvox actually do? Pretty picture but no movement I can see Feb 04 12:05:52 hit dpad Feb 04 12:05:58 ah Feb 04 12:06:20 cool :) Feb 04 12:06:51 after 1993 when comanche was released, a ton of people wrote voxel (heightmap) demos. this is the best one i found Feb 04 12:06:52 * lardman dreams of a working powervr Feb 04 12:07:31 braddbr, i packaged mokopedia stuff, it's lot easier to install now Feb 04 12:08:04 cool, i'll try later when i'm out of programming mode :) Feb 04 12:09:30 someone else who wants to try offline wikipedia? you should have 1gb free space for german version or 3,2gb for the english one Feb 04 12:10:31 Wont if be great 8 months from now, when we have a wonderful new N900 without the crippled LCD controller, tons of CPU powers and lots of hardware acceleration? :] Feb 04 12:11:04 and we'll all get one for free and then fly into the air on rainbows? Feb 04 12:11:06 GA: it's getting old ;-P besides what makes you think that the errors of the past wont be repeated? Feb 04 12:11:40 and they'll run on the hopes and dreams of little children. Feb 04 12:11:55 GeneralAntilles: only if there's another discount programme ;-) Feb 04 12:12:02 Tama^2, TI has kind forced them into a corner, they don't really have any options for screwing up. Feb 04 12:12:25 you are such an idealist ;) Feb 04 12:12:28 Tama^2, dreaming never gets old. Feb 04 12:12:29 GeneralAntilles: not including the LCD controller, we already have tons of hw accel, etc. We just can't use it Feb 04 12:12:36 GeneralAntilles, so you think the wimax tablet will have the newer OMAP? Feb 04 12:12:45 I dunno about that. Feb 04 12:12:52 WiMAX doesn't appeal to me at all, anyway. Feb 04 12:13:21 so you think they'll launch a next gen tablet and a wimax tablet based on the current mainboard? Feb 04 12:13:42 WiMAX is supposed to be Q2 or so, no? Feb 04 12:13:49 limiting factor must be battery life Feb 04 12:14:10 not sure what the mips/watt is for the higher end OMAPS Feb 04 12:14:42 The OMAP3 is supposed to be a lot more efficient than OMAP2. Feb 04 12:15:00 efficient != lower power usage Feb 04 12:15:11 Yeah, yeah. Feb 04 12:15:13 but it's a start Feb 04 12:15:23 well if it's 4 times faster and twice as efficient... Feb 04 12:15:31 I don't think they need OMAP3 levels of performance really Feb 04 12:15:44 I would like it, but it's not what the tablet's for Feb 04 12:15:54 they just need a webkit browser Feb 04 12:16:05 Give us OpenGL accel for pretty interface, and some improvements to the video player and people will be happy Feb 04 12:16:06 and they need it to be released one year ago Feb 04 12:19:14 :) Feb 04 12:21:00 I'm ready for the ultimate Linux-powered hand-sized laptop. Feb 04 12:21:42 I think the problem is we all have a different definition of 'ultimate' Feb 04 12:22:31 Which is why Nokia needs to get around to diversifying the product line. Feb 04 12:22:41 can't forget how Feb 04 12:22:46 oop Feb 04 12:23:42 GeneralAntilles: we are but a small demographic Feb 04 12:23:42 GeneralAntilles, a whole product line all based on a 800x480 screen and similar mainboard would be a great idea for Nokia I think Feb 04 12:24:12 OT: I'd *really* like to know the sales numbers on the N800/N810 vs the Zaurus line Feb 04 12:24:16 Hehe, it took me 30 minutes to apply a screen protector on my N810 without trapping dust. What a pain ;) Feb 04 12:24:28 That's nothing X-Fade. Feb 04 12:24:34 Trying doing it for 3 units. ;) Feb 04 12:24:53 johnx, random number I read somewhere was in the rough 300-500k range for the N800. Feb 04 12:25:18 Seems like it was before the holiday rush, though. Feb 04 12:25:31 GeneralAntilles: Well, I decided that is was OK. There is still some dust between screen and protector, but that will be for another day :) Feb 04 12:25:43 ah, before they swung down to $200 for a while and we got that rush of ... ahem "new users" on itt... Feb 04 12:26:01 lardman: want to hack the voxel demo? i haven't been figure out how to make it render non-rectangular screens :/ Feb 04 12:26:24 don't understand the main render loop yet Feb 04 12:26:26 pupnik: I've never done SDL Feb 04 12:26:33 * GeneralAntilles starts in on the PTSD flashbacks. Feb 04 12:26:44 pupnik: I think I've got enough to do with fixing my build machine then the DSP stuff Feb 04 12:26:48 oh it's just a little puzzle - no sdl needed :) Feb 04 12:26:49 oki :) Feb 04 12:28:22 what do you use to take screenshots on maemo? Feb 04 12:29:22 VNC Feb 04 12:30:48 kk Feb 04 12:30:50 Alendit_: I think there's also an application Feb 04 12:30:54 that you can install Feb 04 12:32:30 load-applet includes a screenshot menu function Feb 04 12:32:40 woohoo i did it :D Feb 04 12:34:47 pupnik: fixed your voxel demo? Feb 04 12:35:03 pupnik: isn't a voxel sound anyway? Feb 04 12:35:06 yeah almost ready for 800x480 test Feb 04 12:35:15 voxlet is sound Feb 04 12:35:19 ah, ok Feb 04 12:39:18 pupnik: is your SDL stuff compiled using vfp? Feb 04 12:39:27 yes Feb 04 12:39:35 static libs built in? Feb 04 12:39:41 no Feb 04 12:40:13 ah, so on my machine it will be slower as I'm using the default libs (assuming they do some of the floating point arithmetic) Feb 04 12:40:15 sdl does not gain much with vfp as there are barely any floatingpoint operations. Feb 04 12:40:31 oh right, ignore my comment then :) Feb 04 12:40:46 and most non-opengl graphic effects use fixedpoint anyway ;) Feb 04 12:42:19 ah ok, just a random thought Feb 04 12:43:56 ok try this one Feb 04 12:44:02 http://pupnik.de/newvox Feb 04 12:46:40 nice :) Feb 04 12:46:49 now can you do textured terrain? Feb 04 12:47:16 no i still have a problem with Andrea's core render routine Feb 04 12:58:17 is there a way to do right mouse click with sdl on tablet? Feb 04 12:58:54 no, you need to implement a toggle Feb 04 12:59:01 k Feb 04 13:09:06 <|tbb|> fantastic four using our tablets ;) - > http://tableteers.last-refuge.net/uploads/pictures/Mr.Fantastic_Nokia770-04.jpg http://tableteers.last-refuge.net/uploads/pictures/Mr.Fantastic_Nokia770-05.jpg Feb 04 13:09:31 <|tbb|> so if you dont know what to do with your n770, now you know, save the world! Feb 04 13:10:42 Let me guess. Displaying a JPEG in photoviewer ;) Feb 04 13:13:23 I'm using mine to destroy the world. Feb 04 13:16:26 why not use it, to TAKE OVER the world :) .. "SEE I CAN LAUNCH ATOMIC WEAPONS WITH THIS DEVICE! [Insert nice red button JPEG] Fulfil my demands!" Feb 04 13:21:05 is click and hold for right mouse a wm thing on maemo? Feb 04 13:28:44 haha, I made a "Red button" app with rubygame Feb 04 13:28:48 Hmm we are hitting the 10K active users on garage.maemo.org! Feb 04 13:28:56 9995 at the moment.. Feb 04 13:29:34 <_collin_> X-Fade: this would account for the bad performance Feb 04 13:29:59 _collin_: We are working on that. Feb 04 13:30:22 <_collin_> X-Fade: I hope so :) Feb 04 13:30:41 give them a break; the entire site's being served from a 770 Feb 04 13:30:43 _collin_: Next week we will do a sprint to fix a lot of performance issues. Feb 04 13:30:49 <_collin_> |tbb|: I use my 770 as a an internat radio for my kitchen Feb 04 13:31:03 Tak: Beowulf cluster of 770s ofcourse ;) Feb 04 13:31:20 <_collin_> X-Fade: including the rest of maemo.org or just garage? Feb 04 13:31:53 <|tbb|> listen internet radio != save the world but anyway good choice Feb 04 13:31:57 Maemo.org and garage.. Feb 04 13:32:04 <_collin_> X-Fade: nice! Feb 04 13:32:24 _collin_: But I think maemo.org needs it most ;) Feb 04 13:32:43 <_collin_> X-Fade: are you one of guys to ask for upload permissions for extras repo? Feb 04 13:33:08 <_collin_> my "customers" repo users keep bugging me to put my stuff on extras Feb 04 13:33:31 _collin_: I think I can do that for you, yes. I haven't done that yet, so it would be a nice test :) Feb 04 13:33:48 <_collin_> :) Feb 04 13:34:01 What is your username? Feb 04 13:34:06 <_collin_> collin Feb 04 13:34:15 obvious question ;) Feb 04 13:34:21 <_collin_> collin[at]betaversion.net Feb 04 13:35:35 _collin_: I _think_ I have just invited you ;) Check your mail.. Feb 04 13:36:08 <_collin_> got it Feb 04 13:36:49 Please let me know if you run into problems. I'm currently working on new proposals for extras. Feb 04 13:37:03 <_collin_> X-Fade: arg my gpg key is at home Feb 04 13:37:15 <_collin_> will do signup tonight Feb 04 13:37:22 I'm going to push all required changes to make extras the way the community wants it.. Feb 04 13:37:25 <_collin_> X-Fade: your email address Feb 04 13:37:29 <_collin_> ? Feb 04 13:38:37 hah, the community doesn't know what it wants, for the most part Feb 04 13:38:48 <_collin_> ok Feb 04 13:39:10 Tak, well. Let's try to figure that out and make it work :) Feb 04 13:40:13 Tak: Andrew Flegg had some nice points and I think we should work them out.. http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail//maemo-developers/2008-January/013889.html Feb 04 13:40:30 yes, he did Feb 04 13:40:46 * Tak followed that thread closely Feb 04 13:41:03 I'm levi bard, btw Feb 04 13:41:12 Nokia gave me time to work on things like that, so I intend to make things work.. Feb 04 13:41:45 I'm Niels Breet, the front page announcement one ;) Feb 04 13:41:52 that's really good news Feb 04 13:46:15 Have any N810 user's tried the gpsd patch that's in bugzilla? Feb 04 13:47:28 * |tbb| dont Feb 04 13:48:03 i was gonna try it last night but it would stioll have taken time, ant i will put 810 in postition this evening and run 2 test: time to first wake, then power down and a few minutes later do it again. then i will repeat after installing. all from same location Feb 04 13:48:12 GeneralAntilles: I just had my first fix after about 10 minutes. Let me see how long it takes after a cold boot now. Feb 04 13:48:23 GeneralAntilles: Without that patch.. Feb 04 13:48:48 ITT seems to be reporting positively. Feb 04 13:49:32 as in marked as FIXED? or just a feeling that its better Feb 04 13:49:52 People who have applied the patch are reporting much better results. Feb 04 13:50:01 * lcuk_2 wonders if he will be able to get to local shop with gps now Feb 04 13:50:19 * GeneralAntilles is thankful for his i-blue. Feb 04 13:50:43 <|tbb|> my fix isnt that bad like all reported, if i use it often Feb 04 13:51:16 <|tbb|> but it might be better after that patch, which will be fine Feb 04 13:52:01 not sure who was interested in this before: http://www.drlinux.it/maemo/battery_consumption.html Feb 04 13:52:24 Where's the graphs? :P Feb 04 13:52:30 >.< Feb 04 13:52:33 no time! Feb 04 13:52:48 but will get there :P Feb 04 13:54:50 4 minutes to fix after cold boot, without the patch. Feb 04 13:55:39 pupnik: I want you to know that I'm not flaming you... ;-) Feb 04 13:55:45 afaik, the device will cycle in and out of idle mode quite rapidly. Feb 04 13:56:05 yes, it should Feb 04 13:56:30 but to avoid waking it up too often I set the sampling interval to 60 minutes Feb 04 13:56:39 ok Feb 04 13:56:56 but lookit... i'm getting 20fps now :P http://pupnik.de/newvox Feb 04 13:57:33 excellent Feb 04 13:57:43 That is disturbingly high power usage for the SD cards. Feb 04 13:57:58 <|tbb|> pupnik: whats that newvox? Feb 04 13:58:16 GeneralAntilles, they are 2x16Gb Feb 04 13:58:34 a little demo program |tbb| Feb 04 13:58:35 Tama^2: wow, that is disturbing Feb 04 13:59:04 I want some comparison tests from other people on that now. :< Feb 04 13:59:10 I'm almost sure it's not that way for 770 Feb 04 13:59:20 * GeneralAntilles is way to much of an addict to let his idle for 10 hours. Feb 04 13:59:22 <|tbb|> could anyone know a guide which show me how to use internet on a tablet while its connected to nix box via usb cable Feb 04 13:59:41 well, IF the OS put them sleep when going idle the power consumption would go down dramatically (10 times) Feb 04 14:00:05 I am going to try with other SD cards Feb 04 14:00:14 I am sure the ones I used are hogs... Feb 04 14:00:38 they were the first 16Gb I could get my hands on Feb 04 14:00:50 Is there something to log to watch if they switch on and off? Feb 04 14:00:58 I will try the one that comes with the device and a 4Gb one Feb 04 14:01:30 GeneralAntilles: They do not because I have unmounted them in test #4 nd verified at the ned they were stiull unmounted Feb 04 14:01:58 Tama^2, you might get in touch will Milhouse for some more data. Feb 04 14:02:00 still I will augment the script to log: lsof, ps aux, dmesg and mmc presence flags Feb 04 14:02:05 s/will/with/ Feb 04 14:02:05 GeneralAntilles meant: Tama^2, you might get in touch with Milhouse for some more data. Feb 04 14:02:31 Who's Milhouse? :) Feb 04 14:03:31 <|tbb|> oh bad cant using mmc1 card content when i am using the device with usbnet ;( Feb 04 14:04:14 http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=129224&postcount=3 Feb 04 14:04:59 GeneralAntilles: thanks Feb 04 14:24:40 nite, ciao Feb 04 14:41:29 guys, http://vilunki.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/solution-to-n810-gps-problems/ <- someone has confirmed(tested) it ? Feb 04 14:41:30 silly question. how do I support both WPA1 and WPA2 (PSK)? Feb 04 14:41:36 is psk2 enough? Feb 04 14:44:36 b0unc3: I'm testing it at the moment, but it doesn't seem to be doing much for me.. Feb 04 14:45:56 what needs to be done to have maemo do dynamic WEP? Feb 04 14:46:12 'cause it's probably easier than convincing my university to switch their assinine infrastructure Feb 04 14:47:50 Solarion: perhaps you fan find an answer there http://www.internettablettalk.com/ Feb 04 14:47:53 or on the wiki Feb 04 14:47:55 heh, I just now noticed that this was completely wrong channel :-) Feb 04 14:48:07 pupnik: Maybe I didn't make it clear; I'm willing to hack Feb 04 14:48:24 I've done some c and g*, and want to make this happen Feb 04 14:48:28 ok well i don't know what that is Feb 04 14:49:06 g* is gobject, glib, gtk, etc. I'm a novice, but I've done a bit Feb 04 14:52:24 b0unc3: Just testing it. Feb 04 14:52:28 Looks neat, though Feb 04 14:52:39 Give me 5min Feb 04 14:54:47 Ok people, let us know! :P Feb 04 14:55:38 Just started the default maps app Feb 04 14:56:02 Solarion: unrelated to dynamic wep, you should check out http://live.gnome.org/Vala Feb 04 14:57:52 Solarion, I'm not that familiar with Nokia's wireless setup, but maybe I can at least give you some search terms to start on and a couple links Feb 04 14:58:01 Hi there, my N770 screen is doing weird stuff Feb 04 14:58:11 wlancond appears to be their wifi handling daemon Feb 04 14:58:13 http://carcelle.fu8.com/DSC01044.JPG Feb 04 14:58:36 massoud, that does't look good at all :( Feb 04 14:58:48 johnx : thanks Feb 04 14:58:52 :) Feb 04 14:59:03 it happened suddenly Feb 04 14:59:06 eek - does it persist after reset? Feb 04 14:59:17 massoud: wosd Feb 04 14:59:22 wsod* Feb 04 14:59:55 wsod ? Feb 04 14:59:59 Looks like display connector problem.. Feb 04 14:59:59 Solarion, http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/maemo_connectivity_guide.html might help a little as well Feb 04 15:00:00 xinerama was the way Feb 04 15:00:09 <_collin_> Wsomthing Screen Of Death Feb 04 15:00:14 massoud: white screen of death :( Feb 04 15:00:19 lardman, ah, glad to hear it :) Feb 04 15:00:47 xinerama ? Feb 04 15:00:59 I hope it was not a WSOD Feb 04 15:01:12 massoud: had to reinstall Linux, trying to get my 3 monitors working Feb 04 15:02:07 Solarion, and if you can't make Nokia's stuff play nice there is a patch to the wireless driver (cx3110x) that enables enough of Linux wext to make normal wpa_supplicant work. From their any network that can be accessed with wpa_supplicant is fair game Feb 04 15:02:08 lardman : and after reinstall went back well ? Feb 04 15:02:21 http://pastebin.ca/891292 Feb 04 15:02:33 yep, after lots of fiddling about with the modelines :( Feb 04 15:02:35 Solarion: there were patches floating around the cx3110 mailing list to enable wpa_supplication in some fashion. You're going to have to do something like that and rebuild the OSS part of the wifi drivers, and use that to configure things instead, right now the advanced wireless stuff is all inside closed source blobs Feb 04 15:02:38 Solarion, patch for wext here: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/cx3110x-devel/2007-November/000005.html Feb 04 15:03:12 the patch that dragorn is talking about is the one I just linked :) Feb 04 15:03:26 lardman, hey, at least you didn't have to write a modeline :P Feb 04 15:04:49 Seems to work for me, b0unc3 Feb 04 15:05:10 Blafasel: really ? Feb 04 15:06:07 Yes? Feb 04 15:06:08 do you think I have a WOSD then guys ? Feb 04 15:06:25 Is there a way to put "Brightness Period" = Infinite in N800 (OS2008) ? Feb 04 15:07:09 I need that bright period last forever... ;) Feb 04 15:07:22 johnx: there was a handy tool available already to calculate them Feb 04 15:07:23 DaniloCesar, will you settle for arbitrarily long? Feb 04 15:07:25 DaniloCesar: If you connect the charger, it is easy. Otherwise you need a script to keep the timeout busy.. Feb 04 15:07:33 it seems that when I plug the power cable I get the screen back at the boot at least Feb 04 15:07:53 massoud i disasempled the 770 to check conections for a problem i eventually had to send for repair Feb 04 15:07:54 is there a clue with the amps delivered by the batt ? Feb 04 15:08:08 X-Fade, without the charger.... Feb 04 15:08:35 DaniloCesar, there's a way to add other arbitrary timeouts with gconf Feb 04 15:08:39 smackpota1 : with/without waranty ? Feb 04 15:08:47 so you could at least set it for 24 hours ... Feb 04 15:09:05 it washedwarantyed Feb 04 15:09:11 johnx, hummmmmmm...... 20 minutes is good for me ;) Feb 04 15:09:25 it was warrented Feb 04 15:09:29 johnx, is there a tutorial? Feb 04 15:09:30 DaniloCesar, http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5704 Feb 04 15:09:35 Thanks! Feb 04 15:09:42 just a couple lines to run in the terminal Feb 04 15:09:54 perfect =) Feb 04 15:10:20 something called acmonitor is also in that thread but I believe it won't work with OS2008. the gconf settings work fine in OS2008 however. :) Feb 04 15:10:40 b0unc3: Significant improvement on my unit Feb 04 15:11:06 http://carcelle.fu8.com/DSC01042.JPG Feb 04 15:11:09 Nice :) Feb 04 15:11:12 at least Feb 04 15:11:50 b0unc3: of course, it's still a fundamentally broken version of gpsd, but that makes the internal gps usable Feb 04 15:12:14 dragorn: good news Feb 04 15:12:28 b0unc3: Thanks for the link Feb 04 15:12:49 johnx, acmonitor is one of pupnik's toys, right? Feb 04 15:12:51 b0unc3: If you're doing GPS stuff tho, beware: GPSD shipped by nokia in os2008 doesn't work :/ (it doesn't properly parse NMEA) Feb 04 15:13:06 b0unc3: You can still use it in debug mode (r=1) and parse nmea yourself Feb 04 15:13:07 DaniloCesar, it would appear so :) Feb 04 15:13:21 I used to use it on os2007 Feb 04 15:13:26 me too Feb 04 15:13:46 I tried it in OS2008 without any luck Feb 04 15:13:54 it kept randomly waking up the display Feb 04 15:14:21 I think in to do something like that on my app.... Feb 04 15:14:38 using dbus-scripts you might be able to write up a quick replacement Feb 04 15:14:46 I haven't looked at it yet Feb 04 15:14:55 and it's far past my bed time :) Feb 04 15:15:07 maemo-mapper have something like that... its wake the screen sometimes.... I need to do that on my chord/tabs-app Feb 04 15:15:15 ah Feb 04 15:15:48 DaniloCesar, mplayer would also have an example of how that's done Feb 04 15:15:55 dragorn: ok... but I'm not doing any stuff with GPS... ;) Feb 04 15:16:03 b0unc3: Well then you won't care :) Feb 04 15:16:09 but anyways, I need to catch some sleep Feb 04 15:16:11 'night all Feb 04 15:16:19 but my code is on python (I'm refactoring pychord code), maemo-mapper and mplayer is writen in C..... Feb 04 15:16:26 night! Feb 04 15:16:38 dragorn: anyway.. thanks for your info/test .. Feb 04 15:16:40 * DaniloCesar wake up some minutes ago =) Feb 04 15:16:41 night johnx Feb 04 15:17:59 haha, inz's inside my brain Feb 04 15:19:56 Alterego: is rubyx up yet? Feb 04 15:20:10 or is there an alternate email address? ;-) Feb 04 15:22:19 DaniloCesar: http://tinyurl.com/24macp or http://tinyurl.com/2z3f4y ‽ Feb 04 15:27:29 for massoud Feb 04 15:27:36 http://www.uselessinfo.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dismantlen770.htm Feb 04 15:29:31 any kdrive xperts in the room Feb 04 15:36:24 Tak, tomorrow. I need to go to my new data centre to sort some new IP allocations then I'm set :D Feb 04 15:37:58 Ok, guys. What predections about the next device can we make if we look at a commit message like this? http://cia.vc/stats/project/maemo/.message/b403a6 Feb 04 15:38:45 either no bluetooth, or built-in gsm Feb 04 15:39:21 mgedmin: I don't think no bluetooth is an option nowadays.. Feb 04 15:40:02 what about a hypothetical low-end crippled version of the tablet? Feb 04 15:40:18 crap, are they integrating a phone? Feb 04 15:40:31 sigh, huff, just exactly *what* is needed to get an app icon up in the task switcher? Feb 04 15:40:32 Or an internet watch ;) Feb 04 15:40:34 wimax, as I see on the net Feb 04 15:40:43 matmo, a .desktop file Feb 04 15:40:48 got one Feb 04 15:41:14 icon, got one, service file, got one, update icon cache, done it Feb 04 15:41:21 zoran: Wimax is an option indeed. But I don't think Wimax is global, so why would one remove phone pairing. Feb 04 15:41:36 matmo, do you use a wrapper script to start your program? Feb 04 15:41:46 nope, do I need one? Feb 04 15:41:50 matmo, or, does your .desktop file have proper Exec= -line Feb 04 15:42:05 matmo, no, you don't, but they cause problems with the icons Feb 04 15:42:06 yep Feb 04 15:42:15 matmo, what language is your program written in? Feb 04 15:42:17 btw this is in SB Feb 04 15:42:19 C Feb 04 15:42:25 matmo, and gtk+? Feb 04 15:42:29 yep Feb 04 15:42:37 Obviously that's for the WiMAX tablet. Feb 04 15:42:41 matmo, hmm, dat is weird Feb 04 15:42:59 matmo, the icon should appear, if the WMClass of a window/program matches that of a .desktop file Feb 04 15:43:17 matmo, and if a .desktop files doesn't explicitly define a WMClass, it is derived from the Exec -line Feb 04 15:43:25 smackpotat1 : thanks, I have my n770 dissambled now and trying to see if I can repair something :( Feb 04 15:43:53 matmo, and Gtk+ does it from the program file as well, so if you have Exec=/path/to/your/binary, it _should_ work Feb 04 15:44:10 s/file/name/ Feb 04 15:44:43 I swear it came up once, last week, but never again. Also I do have the WMClass in the desktop file but not sure exactly what to set it to. Yep I have the exact path in the exec entry (the app does start) Feb 04 15:45:20 matmo, the app starts even if the exec entry is broken, if you define a dbus service name in the .desktop file Feb 04 15:45:49 matmo, in that case D-Bus is responsible for starting the program (based on the .service file) Feb 04 15:45:49 inz: one mo, just answering the phone Feb 04 15:46:11 <||cw> rx-48... interesting... according to this http://homepage.mac.com/alvinmok/nokia/firmware.html R means mobile computing device and X means ETACS based devices, which is a 900Mhz network Feb 04 15:46:40 ||cw: Nah, rx-34 = 770 and rx-44 = n800.. Feb 04 15:46:46 <||cw> thinking the X means something new to nokia though Feb 04 15:47:10 X-Fade, SU-18 = 770, RX-34 = N800, RX-44 = N810 Feb 04 15:47:23 <||cw> X-Fade: that site says the 770 is SU-18 Feb 04 15:47:26 inz: Uhm yeah, brain fade.. Feb 04 15:47:31 Inz is right.. Feb 04 15:47:37 as always ;) Feb 04 15:47:47 Yes sir! Feb 04 15:48:08 at ease Feb 04 15:48:53 <||cw> so what's a TME-4? Feb 04 15:48:54 inz: I think I have thrown everything possible in the desktop file. If I remove the dbus service lines and StartupWMClass for now should I still get an icon showing? Feb 04 15:48:56 Wonder how different the WiMAX tablet will be. Feb 04 15:49:18 ohh, wimax Feb 04 15:49:32 dragorn: What's the matter with the wrong NMEA parsing? Feb 04 15:49:37 lol, Tak. Feb 04 15:49:59 I hope it's wimax and not gsm or some BS Feb 04 15:50:06 <||cw> unless it has a headset port it would still need bluetooth Feb 04 15:50:08 Blafasel: Look at the output of PAVM or W=1, alt and fix aren't returned by gpsd properly Feb 04 15:50:21 ||cw, the phone wizard. Feb 04 15:50:22 <||cw> but I guess wouldn't need phone pairing Feb 04 15:50:43 Seems like you should still be able to pair it Feb 04 15:50:48 EDGE in rural areas, etc. Feb 04 15:50:55 <||cw> but wimax isn't nearly widespread enough that pairing wouldn't still be useful Feb 04 15:51:06 Right Feb 04 15:51:16 Blafasel: But the data is there in the R=1 nmea stream. Which means everyone has to implement local nmea parsers anyhow and gpsd is just acting like a TCP serial mux Feb 04 15:51:31 meh Feb 04 15:54:01 dragorn: I'm not really into gps, just read http://gpsd.berlios.de/NMEA.txt out of curiousity Feb 04 15:54:25 Blafasel: Having to rewrite my GPS handler, again, to handle yet another buggy gpsd variant, makes me cranky :P Feb 04 15:55:30 anyone, how to dump something in pastebin? Feb 04 15:55:47 matmo: open webbrowser, copy & paste, click submit Feb 04 15:55:57 dragorn: I have already been trying to reach the person responsible for gpds inside nokia, to speed things up. Feb 04 15:56:03 Blafasel: If the version strings are to be believed, it's a fairly old gpsd. There have been a number of nmea parsing issues in the past, I'm going to guess nokia just grabbed an old version and never updated it Feb 04 15:56:07 dragorn: so this is definitely a problem with gpsd then? Feb 04 15:56:19 dragorn: So I hope it is possible to give the process a push.. Feb 04 15:56:33 lardman: is there not a way to do from IRC? Feb 04 15:56:33 lardman: Looks like it to me. It's not parsing nmea fix/alt strings which are there in the NMEA stream Feb 04 15:56:46 dragorn: ah, I see Feb 04 15:57:03 lardman: now I'll admit I've been too lazy to try to backtrack what version of gpsd it really is and look at their svn tree forward to see what rev fixed the bug Feb 04 15:57:38 lardman: It only hits people using O=1 and PAVM (well, AM) polling Feb 04 15:57:39 dragorn: curious they chose such an old version Feb 04 15:58:20 dragorn: assuming their versioning corresponds that it of course Feb 04 15:58:35 lardman: anyone who does R=1 debug mode and locally implements NMEA avoids it since they're not counting on gpsd to do anything but mux nmea to multiple apps. A lot of code uses R=1 anyhow if it predates gpsd supporting sat position reporting. Feb 04 15:58:43 lardman: probably because someone started working on it a long time ago.. Feb 04 15:59:03 inz: http://pastebin.ca/891348 Feb 04 15:59:41 X-Fade: that's my guess Feb 04 15:59:53 I don't believe the version string that says 1.0-foo Feb 04 16:00:00 But it does say protocol v2 Feb 04 16:00:11 * mgedmin fondly remembers angband 2.4-frog-knows Feb 04 16:01:27 X-Fade: if you have a fast-track to the maemo devs, hassle them about fixing the usb otg interrupt read dma issue too :P Feb 04 16:01:27 in TODO it says: "*** There's a report that RoyalTek support broke between 2.25 and 2.28 " Feb 04 16:02:19 dragorn: I don't think I have a fast-track, but who knows.. Feb 04 16:02:47 dragorn: First entry in the debian/changelog is "Thu, 16 Mar 2006 12:18:56 +0200" Feb 04 16:03:21 ah-ha, same file: osso-gpsd is now forked from gpsd-2.32 Feb 04 16:04:32 anyone else see what's wrong with that desktop/service file? Feb 04 16:05:12 Doesn't the Exec line have to be a single binary name, no path? Feb 04 16:05:57 lardman: one mo, I'll try that variation Feb 04 16:06:32 lardman: i don't recall anything in the late 20s until 34 actually working for any hw I had :P Feb 04 16:06:37 lardman: but that's anecdotal Feb 04 16:07:09 dragorn: I've not looked into gpsd since ~2004 Feb 04 16:08:07 lardman: u r a superstar! ty ty Feb 04 16:08:08 dragorn: this mean anything to you? "Last saved report now contains accumulated value for "set" field." Feb 04 16:08:13 matmo: np Feb 04 16:08:39 matmo: you might want to place your binary in /usr/bin though as /usr/local/bin is not in the path; that or use a symlink/script to call it Feb 04 16:08:41 lardman: not offhand Feb 04 16:09:04 dragorn: I'm just wondering what those files contain, other than lots of 0x00 in the case of the last saved report Feb 04 16:10:15 lardman: Honestly, the latest GPSD release has issues with fix, too, since it can report a lat/lon field with no fix (since that NMEA sentence doesn't include 2d/3d fix info) and then report it again with a fix when it sees another NMEA sentence two lines down, so it jitters all over. They have a fix for it, but requires every app be modified since it's a per-connection enable. Feb 04 16:11:01 lardman: ok Feb 04 16:11:29 dragorn: but the file it writes should be ok as long as the fix does actually become a decent 3D one before gpsdriver is closed Feb 04 16:12:00 lardman: File it writes to? Feb 04 16:12:17 * dragorn does no file interaction with gpsd Feb 04 16:12:27 dragorn: ah, /var/lib/gps/ Feb 04 16:12:33 lardman: News to me Feb 04 16:12:39 dragorn: these are written by gpsdriver Feb 04 16:12:40 lardman: All the code I've seen talks sockets Feb 04 16:13:01 lardman: You really don't want all your code thrashing a file open per second to get gps state Feb 04 16:13:44 dragorn: my interest is in why the locks take so long, so the file that gpsdriver (presumably) writes the last saved location to when it shuts down is of interest Feb 04 16:14:02 dragorn: not sure this would be affected by the leap year problem though Feb 04 16:14:26 lardman: Ahh. Well, the gpsd patch regarding the leap year thing sure evened out the lock time on my unit. Feb 04 16:14:56 lardman: The problems I have with gpsd are runtime, in that it doesn't work as a gps daemon :P They're all post-lock. Feb 04 16:15:21 (by whatever mechanism it determines lock with independent of how it reports lock, it would seem) Feb 04 16:15:40 dragorn: I'll see what results I get with the new gpsd Feb 04 16:16:22 ~lart closed source components Feb 04 16:16:23 * infobot gives closed source components an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending closed source components to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple Feb 04 16:41:10 dragorn: Looking at that NMEA doc (http://gpsd.berlios.de/NMEA.txt) I see mention of an FAA mode indicator, does this not differentiate between a 2D and 3D lock? Feb 04 16:41:26 dragorn: or is dead reckoning something other than a 2D lock? Feb 04 16:43:36 lardman: GPGSA, field 3. Sat status sentence, the gpsd mode appears to be directly derived from this when available and indirectly somehow when not Feb 04 16:43:48 lardman: http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm Feb 04 16:44:28 lardman: in newcore, and in kismet-stable svn with R=1 mode in the gps code, I use gpgsa to get the fix Feb 04 16:45:09 kismet. *sigh* Feb 04 16:45:44 dragorn: what do you use to look at your NMEA data, other than telnet? Feb 04 16:45:53 Blafasel: Hm? Feb 04 16:46:11 lardman: on the 810? telnet localhost 2947 then issue gpsd commands Feb 04 16:46:29 dragorn: Ah, nothing. Just reminds me of my wild "Let's get this toy and run around with kismet and aircrack" dreams. Hrmpf.. Feb 04 16:46:32 dragorn: ok, that's easy enough Feb 04 16:46:38 Blafasel: Aircrack, no Feb 04 16:46:46 Blafasel: Kismet, yes, if you build it out of svn Feb 04 16:46:56 Yeah, but that kind of defies the purpose for me ;) Feb 04 16:46:57 Guys, how much roughly costs a WSOD repair/fix operation you think ? Feb 04 16:47:00 Blafasel: after much kluging around the device being a pain in the ass, it works Feb 04 16:47:21 Blafasel: aircrack would require injection-capable drivers to be reasonable. Or a USB wireless NIC. Feb 04 16:47:22 * Tak suspect more than a new 770 Feb 04 16:47:55 dragorn: Yep, I know. That's what the *sigh* expressed in one emote ;) Feb 04 16:51:09 i think i found yet another crazy problem with SDL and Xsp. Feb 04 16:51:55 wb jott Feb 04 16:52:07 hello Feb 04 16:52:25 hooray! Feb 04 16:52:30 what's the problem? Feb 04 16:53:00 when i set video mode to 400x240, i only get a 400x240 window Feb 04 16:53:16 and the stuff inside that is pixel doubled Feb 04 16:53:51 when i set video mode to 800x480 and then just updaterect a 400x240 portion of that (my game screen) sdl is blitting the whole 800x480 window Feb 04 16:54:10 i can tell because it's about 1/2 as slow as when i do a 400x240 window without xsp Feb 04 16:54:13 iirc it depends on the order in which you enable doubling and set the video mode Feb 04 16:55:09 ohh Feb 04 16:55:27 also, if it were actually blitting the entire window, it would be at least 4x as slow Feb 04 16:55:49 maybe there's some overhead on the hardware side? Feb 04 16:56:06 well there's game stuff happening also Feb 04 16:58:43 Tak that did it thanks! Feb 04 16:58:57 now up to 60fps Feb 04 16:59:45 massoud: even though mine was a warrenty repair they stated $110 on the import papers Feb 04 16:59:57 hooray! Feb 04 17:00:10 now fix my gngeo buttons on os2008 :-P Feb 04 17:01:18 L/ Feb 04 17:05:59 what size application icons does hildon actual need? Feb 04 17:07:25 duno Feb 04 17:07:41 ok now the doubling breaks again, running a second time Feb 04 17:11:54 can someone take a look at some code which is my beginning for a virtual trackball to see if I'm barking up the right tree Feb 04 17:28:41 smackpotat1 : it s then worth buying a new one on ebay and get started again :) Feb 04 17:34:40 massoud here is something else you can try leave the battery out for 24 hours. but this is just s guess Feb 04 17:35:18 if your buying anouther id go for the n800 Feb 04 17:41:53 hello Feb 04 17:42:23 i have internet connection with wlan to my n800. can i give internet connection to my handy, connected by bluetooth? Feb 04 17:43:16 handy? Feb 04 17:43:32 eichi: in theory yes, but I don't think there is a ready made packages for that (the moost obious missing feature is iptables i think Feb 04 17:44:56 I even guess that doing the "server part of" might be a good start http://maemo.org/community/wiki/HOWTO-BluetoothNetworking Feb 04 17:47:19 * Tak flame lazy bastards on ITT Feb 04 17:48:04 Tak: i can take a look at gngeo now - maybe i find something Feb 04 17:48:06 svn? Feb 04 17:49:05 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/download.php/3253/gngeo_0.7maemo-2.tar.gz is the current code Feb 04 17:50:09 soft_init() in src/blitter/soft.c Feb 04 17:56:54 ok Feb 04 17:57:08 http://pupnik.de/newvox2x is the xsp version ... 60+ fps :) Feb 04 17:59:53 Tak: configure: error: conditional "HAVE_LIBXSP" was never defined Feb 04 18:00:36 do you know what this is? Feb 04 18:01:17 --enable-n770 --enable-cyclone --enable-drz80 Feb 04 18:02:13 SmackPotat : I try this one :) Feb 04 18:03:40 Tak: do i need to have an env variable for XSP_CFLAGS set? Feb 04 18:03:54 checking for XSP... configure: error: The pkg-config script could not be found or is too old. Make sure it Feb 04 18:04:01 is in your path... Feb 04 18:04:15 which pkg-config Feb 04 18:04:16 /scratchbox/tools/bin/pkg-config Feb 04 18:05:14 pkg-config --cflags "xsp" returns blank Feb 04 18:06:50 got all the *xsp* packages installed too Feb 04 18:34:02 eichi: i just set up bluetooth networking almost the same way you described Feb 04 18:34:23 Xsp Feb 04 18:35:02 err, nvm, that's not right Feb 04 18:35:10 yeah, the pkg-config cflags for xsp are empty Feb 04 18:35:18 try --libs Feb 04 18:39:32 uhmm... my menu open up at random time without any touch... might the screen protector cause this? Feb 04 18:40:06 hmm Feb 04 18:40:16 check you have not got any grit caught in the gutter at the side of your screen Feb 04 18:40:22 my menu sometimes pops up when I'm touching something on the other side of the screen Feb 04 18:40:37 checking for grit might be a good idea -- I'm sure my n800 has plenty Feb 04 18:41:18 this is especially if its a new occurance, however if its done it since you got screen protector that might also be the answer Feb 04 18:42:26 I think is the screen protector... it's not placed very well... Feb 04 18:42:54 btw I will check for grit Feb 04 18:43:54 also the touch is acting strange... Feb 04 18:44:47 if its still doing it after taking off the protector and recalibrated, it might be busted Feb 04 18:50:55 Where can i find python-gtk for os 2008 ? Feb 04 18:53:31 damn!! it was the screen protector!!.. incredible... Feb 04 18:53:48 you have to pull that off... Feb 04 18:55:51 already pulled off... now I'm just burning it :P Feb 04 19:00:38 * Alendit__ is still looking for mokopedia (offline wikipedia) testers Feb 04 19:08:25 * Alendit_ is sad because noone wants to test mokopedia :( Feb 04 19:08:28 ^^ Feb 04 19:09:24 ... in 8 minutes Feb 04 19:10:52 woo i've only had my n800 for a week and i've already broken it Feb 04 19:11:00 software wise Feb 04 19:11:26 it's what a linux device made for ;) Feb 04 19:11:30 anyone else tried the new gpsd fix for the n810? Feb 04 19:12:44 Alendit_, yeah i guess so Feb 04 19:13:08 pain in the arse though Feb 04 19:14:06 I think there is something wrong with the repositories with libsqlite3- Feb 04 20:04:15 re Feb 04 20:36:46 anyone here know wazd? Feb 04 20:43:02 how does the package-dbg magic (not) work? Feb 04 20:45:52 you need maemo-debug-scripts Feb 04 20:45:59 or else it doesn't work in sbox Feb 04 21:06:46 timelyx: you got a mail Feb 04 21:07:07 are maemo.org admins aware of the site problems ? Feb 04 21:09:41 X3N: which site problems? (And probably not given it was OK at the CoB UK time, so well-past CoB .fi) Feb 04 21:10:57 zeenix: thanks Feb 04 21:11:15 Jaffa: it's only past 11pm localtime Feb 04 21:11:27 why wouldn't they be awake 6 hours after business hours? :) Feb 04 21:11:48 They may be awake, but they may well be drinking a beer; having a sauna; doing some Finnish Feb 04 21:12:00 zeenix: got it, thanks Feb 04 21:12:15 * timelyx tries to decide how to parse "doing some Finnish" Feb 04 21:12:25 perhaps carnival Feb 04 21:12:31 s/some/Â$&thing/ Feb 04 21:12:32 Jaffa meant: They may be awake, but they may well be drinking a beer; having a sauna; doing Â$&thing Finnish Feb 04 21:12:46 bah, infobot doesn't parse regexps properly ;-) Feb 04 21:12:48 ^A $ & eh? Feb 04 21:13:10 The ^A was a mistyped £. Shift-3 & Shift-4 are remarkably close Feb 04 21:13:36 Jaffa, I'm getting a very slow connection when i do, and sometimes i'm just getting squid errors Feb 04 21:13:42 considering that this winter isn't good for ice fishing, "doing something finnish" means sauna or/and beer Feb 04 21:13:53 Jaffa: oob Feb 04 21:14:07 suihkulokki: I was in Iceland the other weekend; much fun drinking vodka. Rotten shark: not so good. Feb 04 21:14:25 X3N: any URL in particular? http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/ - for example - works for me Feb 04 21:15:09 fwiw, i've made http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/microb-googlesearch-0.1.deb Feb 04 21:15:18 in case people have nothing better to do than install a deb to change a pref :) Feb 04 21:15:47 that url is fine, it's mainly http://maemo.org/downloads/OS2008 though it's working now for me Feb 04 21:56:11 w00t just got my google calendar to sync with gpe calendar :) Feb 04 22:10:08 X3N: syncing both ways? Feb 04 22:10:48 pupnik, are you still around? Feb 04 22:11:49 huuh Feb 04 22:12:03 maths hurting brain Feb 04 22:12:26 i bet it is. Feb 04 22:12:45 ive just had a chance to take a peek at your newvox/pupvox example and i am suitably impressed Feb 04 22:12:50 a big well done to you! Feb 04 22:13:27 yes but i didn't write the original algorithm Feb 04 22:13:29 any chance of me taking a peek at the code to the full res version (im not interested in the newest xsp stuff) Feb 04 22:13:53 i know that, i was looking on a demo site the other day and saw vox in under 256bytes i think! Feb 04 22:14:11 yeah some guys are crazy. but 8K isn't so bad for a C program Feb 04 22:14:27 its not bad at all Feb 04 22:15:32 i (as youve no doubt seen) have had enough trouble getting something bootstrapped on this maemo, if i had a small graphical proggy to get me going it would make life much easier Feb 04 22:16:17 you want a sdl demo then? Feb 04 22:16:22 plz :$ Feb 04 22:16:59 i gather i can just compile it up with scratchbox Feb 04 22:17:23 yeah i have some nice sdl demos Feb 04 22:17:26 is there a fake mouse i can change the pointer to Feb 04 22:17:46 nice 1 pupnik :) Feb 04 22:18:36 or anything so i can disconect the stylus from the core pointer Feb 04 22:18:37 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/n770demos/ grab these for some sdl demo fun Feb 04 22:19:20 i saw those but bypassed them because of the 770 moniker, i thought nothing would work from that? Feb 04 22:19:32 or do i just recompile and go Feb 04 22:19:37 http://pupnik.de/aliens-1.0.2_Nokia.tgz there's a demo that shows you the works, sound, music, graphics and doubling Feb 04 22:19:59 nah SDL programs compile for all tablets Feb 04 22:20:40 ahhh aliens i did try that one but for whatever reason couldnt get it built. Feb 04 22:21:06 thanks pup, i will give these a go, and hopefully because they are small and self contained it should be logical enough Feb 04 22:22:12 ive just got back from a lesson in woodworking. i am attempting to create a house for my 810. flat notebook sized piece of wood with a 2 step swimming pool area cut in it for 810 to sit in. Feb 04 22:22:24 i think my mind is gonna explode with all this new stuff its doing Feb 04 22:23:38 hmm i wonder if there is a d-pad cap around that would fit/be usable with the n810 d-pad... Feb 04 22:23:48 :) i was wondering that too Feb 04 22:24:24 but i've gotten fairly used to it Feb 04 22:25:15 i tried to play quake but my fingers hurt after a few minutes :/ Feb 04 22:25:58 Hello Feb 04 22:27:47 somebody should build a BT or USB gaming shell Feb 04 22:28:16 hmm maybe we can find some asian folks who want to produce something, be it a shell or some plastik cap ;) Feb 04 22:28:43 you can buy bt game controllers for PDAs for 10-25 euro. Feb 04 22:28:51 someone got one of them working Feb 04 22:28:56 thats about the same price as a wiimote Feb 04 22:28:59 Anyone know which solder pad of the 7 is RX on the N800? I know that pad 6 is TX. The 7 pads near the '+' on the battery Feb 04 22:29:27 ive seen wiimote code around Feb 04 22:29:29 well but i want something that i can still hold the n810 in my hand .. .. :/ Feb 04 22:31:07 im thinking if we duct tape the wiimote to the 810 ;) Feb 04 22:31:28 hehe Feb 04 22:33:03 uh... never tought about that.. I should try to pair it Feb 04 22:33:25 i think they do pair Feb 04 22:33:58 hmm in times of 3d printing there has to be a good solution for little money ;) Feb 04 22:35:08 in times of real 3d printing we would rebuild 810 to OUR specifications Feb 04 22:35:35 d pad on the side - you betcha. extra tab keys okily dokily Feb 04 22:39:58 i like the d pad where it actually, it makes the device considerbly,smaller Feb 04 22:40:22 "where it is" Feb 04 22:40:43 michele: for many use-cases i like the place too .. but gaming is definitely not one ;) Feb 04 22:42:27 but hey, if there is a market for things like this, http://www.1powershop.com/images/products_images/unfurl/1pob245op.jpg there must be a market for some extra d-pad for n810 too :) Feb 04 22:42:54 this seems a good one, if a bit pricey http://www.suntekstore.com/bluetooth-gamepad-for-smartphone-and-pdas---black.html Feb 04 22:43:40 ah yeah and probably too small.. Feb 04 22:43:49 but something like that would be nice Feb 04 22:44:04 you could even just mate it with the usbotg port Feb 04 22:44:05 ....and not so expensive if possible ;) Feb 04 22:44:18 wouldnt need its own batteries to worry about Feb 04 22:44:27 damn Feb 04 22:44:35 yes it would, the stand blocks the way Feb 04 22:46:31 evening all Feb 04 22:46:36 hello Feb 04 22:46:47 hey jott Feb 04 22:48:15 hey lardman Feb 04 22:48:32 I tried the new improved (no leap year problem) gpsd, and maemo-mapper seems unhappy Feb 04 22:48:37 hi lcuk_2 Feb 04 22:48:50 why would maemo be upset? Feb 04 22:49:27 It usually says looking for GPS, then says connecting, but now it says looking for, then the little gps symbol vanishes and it starts again Feb 04 22:50:00 not exactly a stunning bug report, was just going to ask if anyone else had seen similar (or not) Feb 04 22:50:36 lardman: hmm. probably gpsd crashes? Feb 04 22:51:06 Veggen: When I start the maps app, it seems to work ok - just sit there saying it's looking for a location Feb 04 22:51:27 I'll have to do some testing Feb 04 23:08:30 what's the best bet for telneting to my N810? Feb 04 23:08:37 I get connection refused Feb 04 23:09:43 lardman, you'll need to install a telnet daemon on it...but seriously: why telnet? Feb 04 23:10:08 gpsd Feb 04 23:10:24 ah, telnetting to gpsd? Feb 04 23:10:34 ah, no need, I can "cat /dev/pgps" Feb 04 23:11:16 for future reference: I remember someone getting this working before. I think gpsd only listens on localhost so he forwarded a port with ssh Feb 04 23:12:08 ah, thanks Feb 04 23:16:02 scratch my earlier maemo-mapper comment, it seems to work now, must have been a one-off Feb 04 23:17:07 The GPS often seems to get in an infinite "Searching..." loop these days. Feb 04 23:17:34 Disabling and re-enabling the GPS on the device seems to fix it. Feb 04 23:17:45 Through the control panel? Feb 04 23:18:23 derf: I released the current vorbis dsp code if you're interested Feb 04 23:19:14 hey all... Feb 04 23:19:20 hi maddler Feb 04 23:19:34 lardman: Ooo. Feb 04 23:20:05 derf: Doesn't work yet (still some error or other in the code), but it does run Feb 04 23:20:26 tremor-dsp garage project, status is in the mailing list Feb 04 23:22:00 dsp-tremor even Feb 04 23:23:52 still no lock and I can see that there are 5 satellites in the w to s quadrant Feb 04 23:29:24 and there I was thinking Ubuntu was so much more stable than Mandrakiva Feb 04 23:30:18 what happened? Feb 04 23:30:55 MacBook Air arrived safe and sound.. Feb 04 23:30:58 just froze, mouse still moved, but stuck on the central monitor and sticky at the edges Feb 04 23:31:19 fysa, via normal postal delivery? in an envelope as promised? Feb 04 23:31:34 FedEx ;) Feb 04 23:31:36 lardman: I've always had a bad feeling about RH/MDK/mandriva.... Feb 04 23:31:40 :) Feb 04 23:31:54 never felt comfortable with RH derivates... Feb 04 23:31:59 Debian rocks! Feb 04 23:32:02 maddler: yeah, Ubuntu is much nicer (though my Mandrakiva was quite old) Feb 04 23:32:29 yup... Ubuntu ain't that bad... Feb 04 23:32:30 it is in a relatively small box. Feb 04 23:32:43 anyway this looks like a hardware error/conflict, annoying Feb 04 23:32:45 beside I wasn't able to make it work on this laptop... whereas Debian testing runs smoothly! :D Feb 04 23:32:50 lardman, maybe it knows you have a nokia tablet and its jealous Feb 04 23:32:58 :) could be Feb 04 23:33:09 except it's heavily involved as I need to to compile DSP code Feb 04 23:33:22 so it should feel loved :) Feb 04 23:33:30 is it hardware issue? Feb 04 23:33:41 100% its a VIM Feb 04 23:34:02 same thing with my old mandriva setup and ubuntu, so I guess so Feb 04 23:34:14 VIM? Feb 04 23:34:22 just graphics card or something more (very important machine) Feb 04 23:34:48 I have a 7900GTX plus a 7300GS, I have a feeling the two don't like cohabiting Feb 04 23:35:25 whenever ive had a 900++ model nvidia the fans have gone flakey and overheat too much Feb 04 23:35:38 i ended up underclocking the old one we had Feb 04 23:36:36 sorry, I have no advice this time. The last time I did multi-card, multi-monitor was with a matrox MGA400 and a S3 Trio O_o Feb 04 23:38:11 this is becoming annoying now Feb 04 23:38:29 another hang? Feb 04 23:38:36 yep Feb 04 23:38:44 complete freeze this time, no mouse Feb 04 23:38:44 can you ctrl-alt-backspace to get out of it? Feb 04 23:38:48 nope Feb 04 23:39:06 does alt-sysrq-b reboot? Feb 04 23:39:13 or did you try it? Feb 04 23:39:26 I tried a lot of combos and I think I tried that one Feb 04 23:39:46 Anybody got a QR decoder for the camera? Feb 04 23:39:47 will try when it happens again ;) Feb 04 23:40:11 nelson, for the tablet specifically? Feb 04 23:40:26 actually first will see if I can change the driver I use for the main screen & two extras - nvidia for main, nv for extras, need to log out, bbiam Feb 04 23:40:34 johnx: yes. Feb 04 23:40:49 I don't know of any for the tablet specifically... Feb 04 23:43:16 Hmmm..... Nokia is bundling a QR reader with some of their phones. Feb 04 23:44:29 I think all phones in Japan since ~2006 have had one... Feb 04 23:44:56 /Topic Feb 04 23:45:01 Hrm Feb 04 23:45:10 /topic Feb 04 23:45:16 Hrrrrm. Feb 04 23:45:19 the S60 seems to have a barcode reader. Feb 04 23:45:59 it's for 2d barcodes Feb 04 23:46:21 theres a bunch of readers for j2me and s60 really tho... Feb 04 23:46:28 but nighttime now Feb 04 23:46:31 -< Feb 04 23:46:32 -> Feb 04 23:47:44 lardman, again? Feb 04 23:47:49 <|tbb|> nelson i guess the camera quality will be to low for it Feb 04 23:47:55 Well let's just say that it;s not happy with mixing nv and nvidia drivers Feb 04 23:48:03 aaah Feb 04 23:48:08 I would believe that Feb 04 23:48:16 I'm back to nvidia now, but only two screens to see if that makes a difference Feb 04 23:48:26 |tbb|: it depends on the size of the barcode in bits. Feb 04 23:48:30 I was running all 3 using nvidia before Feb 04 23:49:31 Will wonders never cease, my GPS has locked on Feb 04 23:51:22 oh no, not a lock, just some satellites in view Feb 04 23:54:02 Can anyone help me to work out what's wrong with my non-booting N800? If i turn it on, it comes to the blue & white Nokia screen, the light blue bar goes along to the end, then the screen goes black and it all starts again. Feb 04 23:55:18 lardman: BTW, if you are in a state where it sees *zero* satellites, disable the GPS receiver using the icons. Feb 04 23:55:44 lardman: then start up the map program. It will ask if you want to enable the GPS receiver. You do. Feb 04 23:55:56 It was switched off and charging all night last night, so i don't think it's battery. (It's only 1 month old, so i sincerely *hope* it's not battery!) I've tried booting with and without SD cards in both slots. Feb 04 23:55:57 blahdeblah: have you used the flasher to switch off the lifeguard reset? Feb 04 23:55:57 Basically ... you have just rebooted the firmware on the GPS receiver. Feb 04 23:56:22 lardman: Seeing as i don't know what the flasher or the lifeguard reset are, probably not... ;-) Feb 04 23:56:49 nelson: no, it just had 3 in view, then it dropped back to 1, now I don't know as I've not seen another $GCGSV message Feb 04 23:57:08 $GPGSV that should be Feb 04 23:57:33 blahdeblah: https://maemo.org/community/wiki/flasher_tool_usage.html#1f19f86248d463cafb8f84cc93e6f860 Feb 04 23:58:14 blahdeblah: There's a process, the lifeguard, which sits there and reboots the machine when something goes wrong that can't be restarted. If you have something going wrong you might get continual reboot loops Feb 04 23:58:32 Sounds like it's kicking in! Feb 04 23:58:41 blahdeblah: If you disable it, you might be able to start it and work out what's going wrong Feb 04 23:59:34 blahdeblah: N800 should use flasher 3.0, but syntax is the same as that page which is for flasher 1.0 Feb 04 23:59:36 Whoa! My whole screen just faded to black from left to right. Feb 05 00:00:01 Maybe the battery's a dud Feb 05 00:00:14 hildon-application-manager 2.0.2 Feb 05 00:00:16 E: Problem parsing de Feb 05 00:00:18 E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. Feb 05 00:00:20 E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/debfarm.free.fr_dists_chinook_user_binary-armel_Packages Feb 05 00:00:22 E: Error occurred while processing mediainfo (NewVersion1) Feb 05 00:00:24 E: Problem parsing dependency Depends Feb 05 00:00:33 * esworp cries. Feb 05 00:01:09 This thing's been kicking my butt. Feb 05 00:01:43 esworp, if you run dmesg | tail do you see anything scary like I/O errors or the like? Feb 05 00:02:19 Lemme lookie Feb 05 00:02:34 johnx: http://www.intomobile.com/2007/11/13/zxing-googles-open-source-qr-code-reader.html Feb 05 00:02:49 nelson, cool Feb 05 00:02:51 hmm, maemo-mapper went TU again Feb 05 00:03:01 looks like we just need to port ZXing to maemo. Feb 05 00:03:10 ~ $ dmesg | tail Feb 05 00:03:12 [ 3949.835937] menelaus 1-0072: Setting voltage 'VMMC' to 3000 mV (reg 0x0a, val 0xb8) Feb 05 00:03:14 [ 3943.789062] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled Feb 05 00:03:16 [ 3942.125000] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled Feb 05 00:03:18 [ 3920.750000] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled Feb 05 00:03:20 [ 3919.625000] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled Feb 05 00:03:22 ? Feb 05 00:03:24 [ 3917.125000] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled Feb 05 00:03:26 [ 3907.515625] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled Feb 05 00:03:28 :] Feb 05 00:03:30 [ 3905.062500] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled Feb 05 00:03:32 [ 3871.953125] EAC mode: play disabled, rec disabled Feb 05 00:03:34 [ 3853.085937] EAC mode: play enabled, rec enabled Feb 05 00:03:48 dare I say: Feb 05 00:03:48 No Feb 05 00:03:51 No idea what any of that was. Feb 05 00:03:52 ~pastebin Feb 05 00:03:53 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste Feb 05 00:04:06 oh, random, fair enough Feb 05 00:04:25 esworp, that looks pretty normal (and yes, pastebin might be a good idea in the future) Feb 05 00:04:45 esworp: try disabling that repo? Feb 05 00:05:24 lardman: It's given me the little icons showing the R&D flag set. Now what? Feb 05 00:07:18 Yah- not sure which one it is. I installed a ton at once. :) Feb 05 00:07:35 esworp: um, Feb 05 00:07:41 blahdeblah: try rebooting and see what happens Feb 05 00:07:44 esworp, it's this one: debfarm.free.fr Feb 05 00:07:46 Nothing Feb 05 00:08:03 blahdeblah: no blue line, etc.? Feb 05 00:08:14 lardman: I see kernel, initfs, and component versions, and the blue line goes across again, and that's it. Feb 05 00:08:35 blahdeblah: No idea then; I'd be tempted to flash it Feb 05 00:08:37 Do i need to unplug the USB? It seems to have disconnected itself anyway. Feb 05 00:08:54 blahdeblah: it will disconnect itself; someone else may have a better idea than flashing Feb 05 00:09:29 lardman: OK - thanks. :-( Interestingly, it keeps rebooting, despite the lifeguard being turned off... Feb 05 00:09:48 esworp: try looking in /var/lib/hildon-application-manager/catalogues.backup Feb 05 00:09:59 blahdeblah: no idea sorry, might be worth a look though the mailing list though Feb 05 00:10:00 that might let you figure out which repo w/o checking each one Feb 05 00:11:15 <|tbb|> anyone running hacker edition on n770 Feb 05 00:13:01 Nuking that catalog fixed it Feb 05 00:15:57 * blahdeblah sighs and flashes his N800 Feb 05 00:17:18 interesting, even after disabling the gps, gpsd still produces nmea data (the give away is the line gap between each message) Feb 05 00:17:36 anyway, no idea how long I've been online, but still no lock Feb 05 00:18:11 I'll give the N810 the benefit of the doubt and blame it on my balcony not having a full 180 deg view and it raining Feb 05 00:18:22 you're trying it in the rain? Feb 05 00:18:45 you're cruel Feb 05 00:19:06 you know your device isn't waterproof, right? :) Feb 05 00:19:07 well inside Feb 05 00:19:37 ah, perhaps that's the problem, do you think it's supposed to make a fizzing noise and steam come out too? Feb 05 00:20:57 time for bed, night all Feb 05 00:34:44 Can anyone explain to me how "devicescape" is better than the way OS2008 handles wifi hotspots by default? Feb 05 00:35:20 wasn't devicescape the one that handles automatic "web based" logins to public free/pay networks? Feb 05 00:35:40 Yeah Feb 05 00:35:58 then yeah, that's how it's better Feb 05 00:36:00 How is the way it works by default not "automatic"? Feb 05 00:36:30 Every time i've gone looking for wifi, it just finds it effortlessly and i can connect. Feb 05 00:36:46 well if you also have to manually load up the browser and enter sign-on info in a poorly designed web page it's not very automatic... Feb 05 00:37:03 ah Feb 05 00:37:16 so it automatically enters web-based credentials? Feb 05 00:37:29 that was my question up above :P Feb 05 00:37:34 I *thought* it did Feb 05 00:37:43 otherwise, what's the point? :) Feb 05 00:38:31 hrm... this "devicescape" sounds interesting... Feb 05 00:38:42 i was in the middle of writing a python script to handle some web form logins... Feb 05 00:38:54 ah, html scraping Feb 05 00:38:55 i wonder if i could utilize that instead somehow :) Feb 05 00:38:59 yeah Feb 05 00:39:02 with curl Feb 05 00:39:04 *libcurl Feb 05 00:39:47 yeah, I did that with wget and bash to feed branch names to bzr Feb 05 00:39:49 for my "Dial a number on a dialpad to make a call with GrandCentral" GUI Feb 05 00:40:01 johnx: i had the wget/bash script FINISHED Feb 05 00:40:07 but... *it didn't work* Feb 05 00:40:08 but it did Feb 05 00:40:15 i know that's an oxymoron... Feb 05 00:40:21 or rather, a paradox Feb 05 00:40:48 but it "worked" in that it returned the right stuff , like "Now dialing 555-555-5555" from grandcentral... Feb 05 00:41:09 but for some reason the wget connection never actually caused the thing to *actually call* Feb 05 00:41:43 hmm Feb 05 00:41:54 maybe some javascript needed to be run? Feb 05 00:42:08 i don't THINK so... but good idea... i will check Feb 05 00:42:15 i didnt see any first glance... Feb 05 00:42:56 * johnx shrugs Feb 05 00:45:03 wow.... Feb 05 00:45:08 ZERO *anything* Feb 05 00:45:18 the page has like 4 tags and 10 words on it Feb 05 00:46:13 referer? cookies? user agent? Feb 05 00:46:35 got both referrer and cookies taken care of Feb 05 00:46:55 user agent... maybe? Feb 05 00:47:06 but this page is *designed* to work for mobile devices Feb 05 00:47:10 on whoknows what browser Feb 05 00:47:19 probably on cellphones Feb 05 00:47:31 I don't know, just doing a brain dump Feb 05 00:47:39 yeah Feb 05 00:47:49 and i'm giving you more info so you can come up with more informed ideas :P Feb 05 00:49:16 Is there any add-on package that allows OS2008 to a) correctly receive the local domain from DHCP so i can use non-qualified domain names in bash, and b) use wpad.dat autoproxy? Feb 05 00:53:36 no idea about (b), but for (a) you'll want to look at dnsmasq's configuration and whether it's capable of that... Feb 05 01:03:13 so.... no source code available for mnotify, eh? That sucks. Feb 05 01:04:24 I'd like to extend mnotify to a.) blink the LED and b.) access gmail via plain HTML rather than the ajax mode. Feb 05 01:05:43 Also, I'd like to write something similar to mnotify for facebook, but with the LED blinky functionality. Feb 05 01:06:16 * b0unc3 good night Feb 05 01:06:44 'night b0unc3 Feb 05 01:07:01 <|R> add an easter egg so it actually unregister people from facebook, thus saving their lifes ;-) Feb 05 01:08:12 Is the tray actually a good place for application like that though? Are they visible when blinking if the tray is in overflow mode? Feb 05 01:13:35 i still want a desktop plugin container where you can use desktop plugins in different tabs Feb 05 01:14:10 also the ability to add the same plugin more than once (think web buttons) and such Feb 05 01:14:42 maybe even have a notification mechanism so that if an event occurs in the other desktop-tab the tab color changes etc Feb 05 01:25:06 I like the web buttons idea. simplelauncher with web shortcuts would be a nice "almost" though. Feb 05 01:25:37 Is there documentation on how to get an application into the tray? I'm looking around on google.... Feb 05 01:35:11 nm. I found it. they call it a statusbar plugin, not a tray icon. meh. http://maemo.org/development/documentation/how-tos/4-x/writing_hildon_desktop_plug-ins_for_maemo.html Feb 05 02:30:48 hello Feb 05 02:30:59 Is there a way to import contacts from a cell phone? Feb 05 02:31:05 onto a nokia 770 Feb 05 02:31:26 i tried the 'send contacts via bluetooth' option on my phone, but it fails. The nokia and my phone are paired up Feb 05 02:43:00 morning Feb 05 02:43:12 morning Feb 05 02:43:42 i cant do anything with my phone but connect. thats my phones fault **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 05 02:59:57 2008